Re: OT:What other brand camera could make you change systems, or you would li...

[Mishka]

This is a no brainer for me: a 6x6 camera, leaf-shutter, be it an SLR
or rangefinder. 

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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Peter Alling]

Could be red-eye prevention.

At 07:24 AM 7/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>PDML Members, (Hi, I'm new :))
>
>I recently picked up this little digital camera for taking to bars and clubs
>for 'fun' shots, instead of bringing in thousands of dollars in equipment.  I
>like the results, but the camera does something odd.  When using flash, it
>ALWAYS fires twice.  I pointed this out to a Pentax Rep. and he tried the same
>model he had with him, and guess what...it does the same thing.  He couldn't
>explain it -- can anyone here give it a shot?
>
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Re: PDML'ers in San Diego ??

[Peter Alling]

Ann you live an interesting life.

At 10:54 PM 7/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>I'll be there from Aug 17th through th 23rd working at the National
>Scrabble Championship as a word judge.
>
>It will be at the San Diego Concourse .  I'll be working all day Sunday
>the 18th through Wed. the 21, then half a day
>on Thursday.I expect I'll be pretty tired and will have some
>Scrabble commitments but might be able to
>get away for a bit.
>
>annsan
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Re: Semi-OT: Canon 500D close-up lens

[Kenneth Waller]

I have had one for several years now. I use it with a 67-77mm step up ring
on a 300mm SMC Pentax FA f4.5. I have gotten very acceptable 16" by 20"
prints from images  taken with this combination. IMHO it is worth every
penny as it gives me another use for the 300.
Hope this helps.
Ken Waller
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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Semi-OT: Canon 500D close-up lens


> I'm looking to add better close-focusing ability to the Sigma 70-200
> F2.8 APO I just bought, and would prefer to keep autofocus and the same
> max aperture (i.e., I don't want to use the 1.4x extender or a macro
> tube). This seems to be the only two-element close-up lens in 77 mm.
> size, but it sure costs.
>
> Has anyone tried it? Experiences?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
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Re: Push Processing Film

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Anthony Farr
Subject: Re: Push Processing Film


> William,
>
> Are these results scanned from the negatives or from RA-4
prints of those
> negatives.  I couldn't really see far into the dark end of the
grey-scale on
> any result, but there are many places between your scanning
and my viewing
> where the losses can occur, if there are losses at all.  On my
monitor I
> could ~just~ discern the separation between steps 13 & 14 of
the ISO800
> sample, 12 & 13 for both the others, is that a fair appraisal?
Brightening
> the display didn't improve the separation, it did enhance it
slightly but it
> still ran out at the same steps.  Could it be that the
scanning is imposing
> its own limits on the results.
>
> Colourwise, my experience is that the Kodak colour control
patches are
> difficult to see colour shifts on, because they are pure
colours.  Better
> than that are the patches with many pastel shades (I think
Macbeth makes
> one) where a small colour shift will make an original colour
look like a
> completely different one.
>
> Otherwise it's a good guide to C-41 pushability considering
that you used a
> reputably pushable film, a test like your's with consumer film
would be
> illustrative.  But I fear it's an unwinnable argument because
"not good
> enough" for one persons needs will always be "good enough for
government
> work" to someone else.

I think I scanned the prints on this one. I (stupidly, it seems)
disposed of the negatives just a couple of weeks ago, but I dug
around and found the prints that I made.
I will describe the results, since you aready know what the test
target looks like.
on the N print, I can see separation between patch B and patch
17
on the 1 stop push, I can see separation between patch 14 and
15.
on the 2 stop push, I can see separation between patch 12 and
13.

The deal with classic pushing, is that you are deliberately
underexposing the film.
As soon as you underexpose, you are risking loss of shadow detai
l, as once the detail is not recorded, it is gone forever. No
amount of over development will bring it back.

What over development will do is to straighten out the toe of
the exposure slope somewhat, thereby giving more separation to
the low exposure values.
So, lets presume that we have correct metering for a moment.
An average scene type is around 5 or 6 stops of exposure range.
A conventional negative film will record somewhere around 8
stops (colour), or 10 stops or more (black and white).

We can see that we have some margin of error, both for over
exposure and under exposure, without seriously degrading the
image, with no processor intervention.

Most negative films can be underexposed by a stop, with no real
visible effect, in most scene types.
One of the things that I missed in the good Doctors test was
reading if he actually speed tested the film he was using. The
Ferrania films traditionally are quite a bit more sensitive than
the box speed would indicate. I recall speed testing a whole
bunch of films a few years back, and the Ferrania films tested
out close to a full stop faster than the box speed.

This was no fly by night test, either. This was tested using a
constant and repeatable light source (daylight), with
densitometer readings to determine the speed points.

My contention is that you cannot increase effective film speed
by increasing development time on any film type, be it colour
negative, black and white or reversal.

What you can do is use the films latitude to your advantage.

If your scene type is 4 stops, and you have an 8 stop film, then
you can underexpose by 2 stops, increase development to
straighten out the curve, and get a picture that will look
fairly normal.
If your scene type is closer to the range of the film, and you
underexpose, then you will lose shadow detail, and no amount of
excess development will get it back for you.

With C-41 process film, you have the added complication of the
mask density building up, pretty much in lock step with the
increase in shadow detail contrast, which can cause loss of some
shadow detail as well.
William Robb
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Dave Collett

[Stan Halpin]

I just received the following from an unknown sender (Dave's wife?) who
clearly was mining his address list on his mailer:

>Dear all just to let you know that Dave now has a new e-mail address, sorry if
>missed mail has been returned. He is still in hospital at present and will
>contact people when home. Thank you.

Dave is a Pentax user in Oxford (the one in Jolly Old, not the one in
Mississippi) who has published some marvelous photo books on Gargoyles, who
was a wonderful host when I visited the U.K. and passed through Oxford two
years ago, and who served a wonderful cuppa'.

I had wondered about his extended absence from the list and provide this
information for others who also may have wondered.

Stan
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Semi-OT: Canon 500D close-up lens

[Herb Chong]

>This seems to be the only two-element close-up lens in 77 mm.
size, but it sure costs.

Has anyone tried it? Experiences?
<

one of my outdoor photo books recommends it as the only closeup lens worth
using by a serious photographer. otherwise, it's an extension tube.

Herb...
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Re: Digital doubts

[Herb Chong]

>How do you keep the Epson jets clean? I found that I used so much ink
cleaning the bloody thing that it became a financial burden. It sits here
doing nothing now.
D
<

which model? i find that i use my 1270 about once a week to print something
and that is enough. i never need to clean the jets ever.

Herb...
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Re: Photokina comments...

[Pål Jensen]

Cameron wrote:


> Inkjet printers...
> Slide scanners...


I really hope they put out a scanner that takes medium format as well; up to 6X7. This 
is likely if they bother with scanners. 


> Digital media (inks and papers)...
> Large format lenses...

Large format lenses? That's surprising...


> Exposure meters and rangefinders...
> Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)...

This probably do not mean K-mount but refer to the zoom compacts. 


> K mount Digital SLR...
> Underwater housings...
> Could all our hopes and dreams be coming true simultaneously?

Either that or someone just listed everything Pentax have patented the last few years. 


> Wouldn't that be wonderful; a camera company willing to go head to head with
> Canon and Nikon. It's about time Pentax showed some cajones, or even had
> confidence in itself.


I find it somewhat hard to believe that they will show all this at Photokina.

Pål
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Re: Pentax 645NII

[Pål Jensen]

Christien wrote:

> Anyone has images shot with this lens, or reviews ?

So far just positive comments, like sharp and contrasty. I hope to receive mine 
tomorrow.


Pål
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Re: Photokina comments...

[Rob Studdert]

On 25 Jul 2002 at 22:52, Kristian Walsh wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Well, some of these are not new products,

> But never mind those, what about...
> > K mount Digital SLR...
> WOOHOO! ! ! ! ;-)

Sounds good, I just hope those who end up talking to the trade reps don't find 
the conversation very much like this (substitute the cheeses for most of the 
items on that list):

http://www.ironworks.com/comedy/python/cheeshop.htm

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Re: OT:What other brand camera could make you change systems, or you would li...

[Bmacrae]

Leica, if they weren't so damned expensive.

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Re: Digital doubts

[Len Paris]

But, Pat,

Digital is going to go the way that computers have gone, to some
extent.  Prices have already dropped.  Two 6MP bodies are now in
the $2K range.  The D60 and the D-100.  I don't expect lenses to
drop in price much but bodies will drop some more.  Printers
have been dropping in price steadily, and we are getting more
power every day.  Canon and Nikon AF is certainly not too
shabby, either.  Are we at the pinnacle? Absolutely not.  Is
price the only important criteria?  I don't think so.
Convenience counts and so does control, as well as other
factors.

I agree that both film and digital have their advantages and
disadvantages but the disadvantages of digital are definitely on
the decrease, while the best film can really hope for is to stay
the same or, perhaps, to get a little better through further
improvements in emulsions.  I enjoy using both film and digital
but my work is swinging more towards digital.

Len
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- Original Message -
From: "Pat White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Digital doubts


> One of the big selling points of digital is that it's supposed
to be very cheap, but it doesn't always seem that way.  I
recently did a studio shoot with a friend of mine.  He was using
a Fuji S1 Pro, and I was using the MZ-S.  Oddly enough, the Fuji
"Pro" has no PC outlet, so he had to use its built-in flash to
trigger the strobes.  When he tried the MZ-S, he commented that
its AF was far better than that of the Fuji.
>
> At the end of the shoot, he found that his laptop wasn't
recognizing his 1-gig Microdrive, and was worried the whole
shoot was lost.  After a couple of hours of hassle at home, he
was able to transfer the images to his computer, then they still
had to be printed.  All this for 58 images, which filled up the
1-gig drive.  It seemed far less expensive for me to have 50 or
60 rolls of Fuji Superia in the fridge, bought on sale for under
$2Cdn a roll.
>
> Meanwhile, I dropped my films off at London Drugs, and was
able to pick up a double set of 4x6s and CD with 18-meg scans
the next morning.  Well, they did 4-meg scans by mistake, and I
had to take back the CDs, but that's another story.
>
> Point is, digital is way cheaper when you print your own
8x10s, but you can't print 48 or 72 4x6s for $9.95Cdn or
$11.95Cdn, and I like having the 99-cent second set to give the
model.
>
> As well, those $600Cdn Microdrives occasionally burn out with
heavy use, and if you drop one, it's toast.
>
> My feeling is that film and digital both have their advantages
and disadvantages, which some people love and others hate.
Accordingly, at this point, neither one can replace the other,
so I think we'll see both film and digital around for a long
time yet.
>
> Pat White
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RE: What other brand camera could make you change systems, or you would like Pentax to produce?

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

Wow, that's a rather long subject line, isn't it?
Sorry 'bout that.

Lukasz

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Behalf Of Łukasz Kacperczyk
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:21 AM
To: pentax
Subject: OT:What other brand camera could make you change systems, or you
would like Pentax to produce?


Well, the subject is pretty much self-explanatory. For me it's any
rangefinder camera (cause Pentax didn't make one), and Canon T90. It
probably won't make me change systems, but I certainly wish Pentax made a
similar camera - very modern in design, and very advanced as far as it's
features are concerned.
I hope I won't get flamed :) (recently someone wrote something about
PDMLers' tolerance - keep than in mind please... :)

Łukasz
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OT:What other brand camera could make you change systems, or you would like Pentax to produce?

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

Well, the subject is pretty much self-explanatory. For me it's any
rangefinder camera (cause Pentax didn't make one), and Canon T90. It
probably won't make me change systems, but I certainly wish Pentax made a
similar camera - very modern in design, and very advanced as far as it's
features are concerned.
I hope I won't get flamed :) (recently someone wrote something about
PDMLers' tolerance - keep than in mind please... :)

£ukasz
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Re: Anyone heard from Shel?

[frank theriault]

Just heard from him today.  Seems all's okay, he's just been very busy
catching up with stuff after his being out of commission for that while.

Good gnus!!

regards,
frank

gfen wrote:

>
>
> I just sent him a message Tuesday, but have yet to hear back.
>

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Re: Photokina comments...

[Kristian Walsh]

Hi,

Well, some of these are not new products,

> Inkjet printers...
These are small ones for laptop users (I think they're on www.pentax.com 
somewhere)

> Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)...
"VIEWfinder cameras with autofocus" == Espio series.


But never mind those, what about...
> K mount Digital SLR...
WOOHOO! ! ! ! ;-)
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RE: Curiosity.... B&W "Old School" films

[Łukasz Kacperczyk]

Thanks Tom,
I will :)
I know Rodinal is a bit grainy, but I like what it does to HP5 - it's a bit
grainy, but incredibly sharp. I think I'll like this combined with smaller
grain of FP4 (it's a ISO 100 film, so it's supposed to have small grain,
isn't it?).
Now that I have a solid tripod, I think I'll go and shoot some early morning
landscapes (if I manage to wake up :).

Regards,
Łukasz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tom
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Curiosity B&W "Old School" films


 -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Łukasz Kacperczyk
>
>
> 
>
> What do you mean by 'cool'? I'm about to try the same
> combination, and was
> curious as to what to expect.

Rodinal does something interesting in the midtones. I'm not sure how
to explain it.

It's good, try it.

tv
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Re: do i give up the k2 for an lx..........?

[Alan Chan]

>Please illuminate, in the first part rather than the second.

Many things could go wrong with an old LX, and some of them could be 
difficult to detect. Experience tells me that many 2ndhand retailers usually 
tried to fix their used equipment quick and dirty, instead of an overhaul 
(not economical to them). So when you noticed something wrong with the 
camera, they either tried to fix it the quick way, or simply told you they 
could not detect anything wrong at all. For this reason, I usually buy used 
cameras or lenses without their shop warranty and ask for an discount. The 
risk is, there will be no refund in any case. And then I would let my 
trusted service centre to do an overhaul (only cameras, because I usually 
service my own lenses).

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: Update,Ontario Poster Order

[Pat White]

David, I seem to be the only PDMLer on the Island so far, but I'll ask a couple of 
Pentax shooters at the camera club tonight, and see if they'd like to get posters.  I 
know I'd like one.

Pat White
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Re: Digital doubts

[Pat White]

One of the big selling points of digital is that it's supposed to be very cheap, but 
it doesn't always seem that way.  I recently did a studio shoot with a friend of mine. 
 He was using a Fuji S1 Pro, and I was using the MZ-S.  Oddly enough, the Fuji "Pro" 
has no PC outlet, so he had to use its built-in flash to trigger the strobes.  When he 
tried the MZ-S, he commented that its AF was far better than that of the Fuji.

At the end of the shoot, he found that his laptop wasn't recognizing his 1-gig 
Microdrive, and was worried the whole shoot was lost.  After a couple of hours of 
hassle at home, he was able to transfer the images to his computer, then they still 
had to be printed.  All this for 58 images, which filled up the 1-gig drive.  It 
seemed far less expensive for me to have 50 or 60 rolls of Fuji Superia in the fridge, 
bought on sale for under $2Cdn a roll.

Meanwhile, I dropped my films off at London Drugs, and was able to pick up a double 
set of 4x6s and CD with 18-meg scans the next morning.  Well, they did 4-meg scans by 
mistake, and I had to take back the CDs, but that's another story.

Point is, digital is way cheaper when you print your own 8x10s, but you can't print 48 
or 72 4x6s for $9.95Cdn or $11.95Cdn, and I like having the 99-cent second set to give 
the model.

As well, those $600Cdn Microdrives occasionally burn out with heavy use, and if you 
drop one, it's toast.

My feeling is that film and digital both have their advantages and disadvantages, 
which some people love and others hate.  Accordingly, at this point, neither one can 
replace the other, so I think we'll see both film and digital around for a long time 
yet.

Pat White
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Re: Digital Doubts

[Bmacrae]

In a message dated 7/25/2002 1:00:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> "See, you can push our film to 3200."
> "Wouldn't it make more sense to rate it at 3200?"
> "But..ours goes to 3200!"
> 

"If I told them once I told them a thousand times, it should read, "Kodak 
Processing" first, and "Puppet Show," last.

-Brendan "Stumpy Peeps" MacRae
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Re: K50/1.4 != M50/1.4 != A50/1.4

[Bojidar Dimitrov]

Hi George,

> I could not detect differences between the SMC Takumar, K and M
> lens when comparing them.
> I would be supprised if they really are not the same optical
> design.  The A is clearly different.

While I have tremendous respect for your opinion, I think that K != M. 
I have received rather nice and large scans of the optical diagrams of
both lenses, and those are different.  I then dug out a Pentax lens
booklet that shows the K and M lenses on the same page with optical
diagrams, and those match the geometry of the two scans that I received
(from Andre Langevin).

The differences are _minimal_, but are there.  I will make a new KMP
release in the next week, and you will be able to see the differences.

Cheers,
Boz
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Re: K50/1.4 != M50/1.4 != A50/1.4

[Bojidar Dimitrov]

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
> 
> That's not true! Pentax has published optical diagrams for ALL
> lenses in current production (including FA and some F and A
> lenses). You can find them in lenses catalogue from their Japan
> home page (in PDF file).

Well, while this is true (and I do have show some of those diagrams on
the KMP), you'll be hard-pressed to find a diagram of the A50/1,4 or
A70-210/4.  You will find it impossible to find a diagram of the
A100/2,8 Macro.

Prove me wrong on the Macro, and I'll kiss you!  :-)

> Diagrams are quite nice, with colour
> signed aspherical, ED and two more (unknown to me) kinds of glass.

I personally find them to be of rather low quality, but something is
better than nothing...

Cheers,
Boz
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Re: Digital Doubts

[gfen]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>"Here lies Kodak...and why not?"

"See, you can push our film to 3200."
"Wouldn't it make more sense to rate it at 3200?"
"But..ours goes to 3200!"



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Correction of images from the PDML UK airshow

[Jostein]

Thanks to all who commented constructively on my first "edition" of the
images.
Now I have changed the order of the images so that all pics of the same type
of plane comes in sequence.
I have also identified the last unknown plane to be a German Messerschmidt,
uploaded an image of a female pilot (after some urging from Mike W.), and
added links to more info about the planes where I found it. There's bound to
be tons more of info, but this is what I used.

Hope some people will enjoy them pics... (that's why we show them on the
web, isn't it?)

Best,
Jostein
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Re: Anyone heard from Shel?

[Flavio Minelli]

frank theriault wrote:
> 
> ...
> Quite frankly, I'm getting a bit worried.  I do hope he's okay.
> 
> Anyone out there know anything, or heard from him recently?
> 
> ...


Frank,
my guess is he's given up on Pentax, maybe on photograpy at all. I hope
it's not for lack of funds but you don't go selling the stuff he offered
to the list if you plan to keep up shooting Pentax (200/4 A macro,
85/1.4 A and such).

Let's hope he just decided to go Canon-digital or something

Ciao, Flavio
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Re: PDML Locations

[Frits J. Wüthrich]

That used to be [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 11 July 2002 I emailed him with the question if he was still doing 
this, I didn't get a reply.

The last overview I received from him was on 15 Oct 2001, I still have 
that one..

On Thursday 25 July 2002 18:20, William Kane wrote:
> Hi,
>
>I know someone was keeping a list of where our PDML members lived
> (city/state/country, etc).  Is that person still on the list?  If so,
> could they please contact me privately.
>
> IL Bill

-- 
Frits J. Wüthrich
(Sent with Kmail)
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FS: Lens and Misc.

[Steven Brendemuehl]

Here are 2 lens I dont use enough and need the money.
So they are up for sale. And some other clutter.
SMC K 200mm F4
very near mint
$130
Tamron 80-210mm 3.8-4
good condition perfect optics.
$35
Pentax cable release F
New
$25 
Pile of brackets
about 8-10
$12
Large brackets
just weird!
$12 (can get photo)
Old exacta folder
rough
$10

Their will be more.
steve
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RE: Digital Doubts

[Paris, Leonard]

I dunno guys,

I see Kodak printing kiosks springing up all over.  You pop the media out of
your digital camera, pop it into the slot of the Kodak kiosk, crop and color
balance it the way you want and press the button.  Out pops the picture,
anywhere from wallet-sized to 8 X 10.  Priced very competetively, with fewer
operators needed than mini-labs.

I think Kodak has a ways to go before their demise.

Len
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Subject: Re: Digital Doubts


<>

Actually I have Kodak's headstone in my back garden at the moment - really.
Any offers on the inscription? Also any offers to come & take it away
seriously considered

Kind regards

Peter
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RE: Digital doubts

[Paris, Leonard]

Don, that is really strange.  I have yet to clean the jets on my Epson 1200
for the first time, and I've owned it from the first year they sold it.  It
was only out about three months when I bought mine.  I don't know what I've
been doing right.

I've only been considering upgrading to a new model because of the better
permanence of the inks.  For weddings and portrait work, I take a CD-ROM in
to my lab and they produce high quality dye sublimation prints that are very
stable.  For proofs and up to 11 X 14's (my personal pictures) I use my own
printers.

I don't do much glossy stuff on my Epson because I just don't like glossy
for my own pictures.  Perhaps a more absorbant, matte surface helps to keep
the jets from clogging.  I really like printing on HP's plain, photo
quality, inkjet bond.  It's cheap and the results are great with my Epson.
If I want gloss, I frame it under glass.

Len
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Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Digital doubts


How do you keep the Epson jets clean? I found that I used so much ink
cleaning the bloody thing that it became a financial burden. It sits here
doing nothing now.

D

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Digital doubts


> Bob,
>
> I don't work the same way with digital.  I have two printers.
> One is an HP Photosmart 100 that I use for making an index print
> and then I use that to select the 4 X 6 prints I want.  No
> computer required, if you don't want to use one.
> Time invested in making the prints is not a lot.  Less if I just
> want to print all of them.  The unmanipulated prints out of the
> HP are usually better than my local Walmart.
>
> Then, the pictures that I want to enlarge get manipulated and
> printed on the Epson, which I find to be fun.
>
> Len
> ---
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Keefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:51 AM
> Subject: OT: Digital doubts
>
>
> > Hi folks:
> >
> > OK, it's late at night here in the Pacific zone and I'm
> drinking a little
> > red wine after an enjoyable evening shooting pictures of an
> old friend at
> > the studio. Here's something that's been on my mind lately.
> >
> > Is it possible that digital photography doesn't have such a
> rosy future with
> > consumers as we're all led to believe?
> >
> > Here's the evidence, scant though it is. My wife got me a nice
> Canon S20
> > digital point and shoot camersa almost exactly a year ago for
> my birthday.
> > It has given me a pleasant way to play with the digital
> future. It even
> > makes pretty good 8x10s on the HP inkjet printer.
> >
> > So what's my beef? Well, it takes a really long time to make
> prints. Making
> > prints involves computers, which, if you hadn't noticed,
> rarely work as
> > promised. Not to mention the fact I already work on computers
> all day at the
> > office. Even if the computer happens to be feeling well, by
> the time I could
> > possibly import, size, tweak and print 36 4x6 inch prints, I
> could have
> > driven a roll of film to the nearest one-hour photo joint, had
> a cup of
> > coffee, read the paper and driven back home -- and be out less
> money than I
> > would have spent on batteries, paper and ink. Not to mention
> the headache
> > differential.
> >
> > And I'm a pretty committed  digital owner. I really like
> photography. I
> > would love to see digital work. But I still shoot almost
> entirely on film.
> > It's easier. I'm not a photojournalist, so I don't need
> instant access.
> >
> > I really wonder whether the average home photographer really
> wants to put
> > that much energy into making pictures of the kids' birthday
> party. Or,
> > perhaps, does old-fashioned film have a lot safer future than
> we all
> > believe?
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Bob Keefer
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Re: Digital Doubts

[Bmacrae]

Or, how about this one:

eastman kodak's defunct
who used to ride a watersmooth-silver (halide) stallion
so we may photograph onetwothreefourfive pidgeonsjustlikethat
jesus 
they made some fine emulsions
and what i want to know is
how do you like your dominant market share
mr fuji?
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RE: Digital doubts

[Alan Abbott]

ERNR wrote:
from what I've seen -- you put it in the machine, download the data,
push the friendly 
little buttons to place your order, remove your card and take it with
you. 
Certainly that's how it works at the semi-pro lab where I actually do
get 
prints made.

I wish to god we had a service like that here in England.
The local shops will do film to a good quality (5x7 etc) in 20 mins.
Digital card have to be sent away and take a week!!!
No I think not.
A 36x5x7 costs me for 1hr D&P £3.99 and the lady takes great care.
In fact we have 7 places to take film to and this is in a small town.
Only one has provided 'iffy' results.
A lot of the local photographic society do not process there own colour
film
now they just send it in and use the 4x6 as contact prints.
They then print themselves the one or two prints for competition.
Me, well I am going backwards doing B&W myself, using spotmatics,
Going to try big glass plates next ;-)
Alan
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Re: Digital Doubts

[Bmacrae]

In a message dated 7/25/2002 10:19:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Actually I have Kodak's headstone in my back garden at the moment - really. 
> Any offers on the inscription? Also any offers to come & take it away 
> seriously considered
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Peter
> 

   "Here lies Kodak...and why not?"

-Brendan MacRae
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Re: Article on Kodak

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: Cotty
Subject: Re: Article on Kodak


> IMO Kodak should put great effort into marketing their own
brand of
> digital media storage, and get them on shelves now. Cheap and
cheerful
> Compact Flash cards that hold three dozen good-res shots with
the words
> 'Kodak Electronic Film or whatever  plastered all over them,
at about the
> same cost as film is now. Then Joe P+S can buy them, shoot the
kids, drop
> them off for printing, get them back with prints, and drop
them into a
> drawer, just like he would with the (old-style) negs. Why
re-use CF
> cards? If they're cheap enough, and sold everywhere, they'll
sell
> millions eventually. If Grandma wants some prints later, he
can just take
> the CF card back for those, just like he would with negs. No
computer, no
> fiddling, and the processing houses keep going. Old habits die
hard with
> most people :-)

Whats the life expectancy of the information on a digital media
card? Don't they have a weenie little battery to keep them
working?
'twould be sad for the people who think the flash card is just
as stable as film
William Robb
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UK Pentax club appeal...

[Cotty]

FYI I've had this from the new publisher of the UK Pentax Club mag:

Hi Steve

I believe you were speaking with John Dickins who mentioned me and gave me
your email details.

I am now publishing the UK Pentax Club magazine  which I've renamed Pentax
user. We have a web site www.pentaxuser.co.uk which explains all about us.

I am looking to find ways of gaining new subscribers and hoped you'd have 
a
method of reaching these through the mailing list. Also if there's 
anything
we can do to support your activities I'd be pleased to help.

Perhaps there are opportunities for us both, and working with pentax UK 
can
develop a few projects.

Let me know what you think

Kind regards


Pete

Peter Bargh
Editor
Pentax User
PO Box 197 
Worksop
S80 1YZ
Tel 01909 489451
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Cotty

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Final update of the PDML UK 2002 meet website.

[Cotty]

I've posted the final pics to:

http://www.macads.co.uk/pdml/

except for a few more that Mike Wilson insists are worth seeing ;-) and 
except the link to Richard Seaman's web site needs activating (I'll wait 
til he gets back from travelling and posts relevant pics to his site).

I sent a couple of hundred words on the event to Amateur Photographer, 
and AFAIK, they are using it and a couple of pics in the news section in 
due course!

Right, inbetween qualifying and the GP at Hockenheim this weekend, I 
might just get chance to sit through the July PUG!

Warming up for the weekend,

Cotty

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Vs: More images from PDML UK

[Raimo Korhonen]

The one unknown with German D-EBEI markings seems to be Messerschmitt Bf-108 - 
forefather of the famous Bf-109.
All the best!
Raimo
Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho

-Alkuperäinen viesti-
Lähettäjä: David Chang-Sang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Päivä: 25. heinäkuuta 2002 13:27
Aihe: RE: More images from PDML UK


>Hmm..
>I love vintage aircraft - always have - ever since I was a kid and I'd put
>together model kits over and over and over again :)
>
>Let's see.. naming..
>I'll try and see how many I can get right (or wrong) :)
>
>1) Bristol Bulldog
>2) Flight of 4 - Supermarine Spitfire, F4U Corsair, P38 Kittyhawk, P51-D
>Mustang
>3) umm.. damn.. it's on the tip of my tongue.. oh.. ok .. pass
>4) F4U Corsair
>5) a whole bunch of aircraft in a lineup... first one is a P51-B Mustang
>6) Supermarine Spitfire (I'm not sure if it's Mark V or Mark IX though)
>7) Spitfire again, I'm not sure if this is the same aircraft as 6
>8) B-25 Mitchell
>9) I think.. and really think.. this is a Fieseler Storch - used as a recon
>aircraft
>10) unsure
>11) unsure
>12) Bristol Bulldog again
>13) two F4 Corsairs
>14) Kittyhawk, Corsair and Spitfire
>15) Ford Trimotor
>16) same as 15
>17) F4U Corsair
>18) Ford Trimotor
>
>I'm probably wrong on a couple.. definitely unsure about #9 and I think #3,
>#10 and #11 is a Heinkel but I don't know the plane type..
>
>I can't name the lens in #3 though :)  But whatever it is.. I want that as
>my prize if I win :)
>
>lovely pics !!
>
>Cheers,
>Dave
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jostein
>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:59 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: More images from PDML UK
>
>
>uploaded a few more images to my site yesterday.
>Click the Airshow portefolio on the left menu at http://oksne.net
>
>Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?
>
>best,
>Jostein.
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Re[2]: Digital Doubts

[Bruce Dayton]

Don't forget that the big players (Kodak, Fuji, Agfa) also supply
chemicals, paper, etc for photofinishing.  Inkjet and dye sub printers
are very slow on any kind of quantities.  The Fuji Frontier and Agfa
D-Lab printing systems do a great job with digital input and rapidly
and cheaply output prints.  These companies may see a drop in film
production and sales, but the photofinishing supplies should still be
around.


Bruce



Thursday, July 25, 2002, 10:17:58 AM, you wrote:

cac> < services (photofinishing) rather than goods (film), I think Kodak may very
cac> well cease to exist -- >>

cac> Actually I have Kodak's headstone in my back garden at the moment - really. Any 
offers on the inscription? Also any offers to come & take it away seriously 
considered

cac> Kind regards

cac> Peter
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Re: Digital doubts

[Don Williams Finland]

How do you keep the Epson jets clean? I found that I used so much ink
cleaning the bloody thing that it became a financial burden. It sits here
doing nothing now.

D

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Digital doubts


> Bob,
>
> I don't work the same way with digital.  I have two printers.
> One is an HP Photosmart 100 that I use for making an index print
> and then I use that to select the 4 X 6 prints I want.  No
> computer required, if you don't want to use one.
> Time invested in making the prints is not a lot.  Less if I just
> want to print all of them.  The unmanipulated prints out of the
> HP are usually better than my local Walmart.
>
> Then, the pictures that I want to enlarge get manipulated and
> printed on the Epson, which I find to be fun.
>
> Len
> ---
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Keefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:51 AM
> Subject: OT: Digital doubts
>
>
> > Hi folks:
> >
> > OK, it's late at night here in the Pacific zone and I'm
> drinking a little
> > red wine after an enjoyable evening shooting pictures of an
> old friend at
> > the studio. Here's something that's been on my mind lately.
> >
> > Is it possible that digital photography doesn't have such a
> rosy future with
> > consumers as we're all led to believe?
> >
> > Here's the evidence, scant though it is. My wife got me a nice
> Canon S20
> > digital point and shoot camersa almost exactly a year ago for
> my birthday.
> > It has given me a pleasant way to play with the digital
> future. It even
> > makes pretty good 8x10s on the HP inkjet printer.
> >
> > So what's my beef? Well, it takes a really long time to make
> prints. Making
> > prints involves computers, which, if you hadn't noticed,
> rarely work as
> > promised. Not to mention the fact I already work on computers
> all day at the
> > office. Even if the computer happens to be feeling well, by
> the time I could
> > possibly import, size, tweak and print 36 4x6 inch prints, I
> could have
> > driven a roll of film to the nearest one-hour photo joint, had
> a cup of
> > coffee, read the paper and driven back home -- and be out less
> money than I
> > would have spent on batteries, paper and ink. Not to mention
> the headache
> > differential.
> >
> > And I'm a pretty committed  digital owner. I really like
> photography. I
> > would love to see digital work. But I still shoot almost
> entirely on film.
> > It's easier. I'm not a photojournalist, so I don't need
> instant access.
> >
> > I really wonder whether the average home photographer really
> wants to put
> > that much energy into making pictures of the kids' birthday
> party. Or,
> > perhaps, does old-fashioned film have a lot safer future than
> we all
> > believe?
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Bob Keefer
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RE: Photokina comments...

[Cameron Hood]

Inkjet printers...
Slide scanners...
Digital media (inks and papers)...
Large format lenses...
Exposure meters and rangefinders...
Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)...
K mount Digital SLR...
Underwater housings...
Could all our hopes and dreams be coming true simultaneously?
Wouldn't that be wonderful; a camera company willing to go head to head with
Canon and Nikon. It's about time Pentax showed some cajones, or even had
confidence in itself.
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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Mark Erickson]

Easy.  The camera measures the results of the first flash to use for
metering the second time around.  The Pentax MZ-S and AF360FGZ flash do the
same thing in P-TTL mode.

--Mark
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Vivitar 730AF flash for Pentax ?

[Sveta & Alex Shurygin]

I wonder if the 730AF flash from Vivitar is any good.

Spec looks confusing when it comes to Pentax compatibility. Does it have all
claimed features in Pentax model ? (1/16 power, compatibility with MZ/ZX line
of bodies)
It looks too cheap ($65) for the impressive list of features it claims. Is
there any catch?

Would appreciate hands-on experience accounts.
Thanks for inputs
Alex.
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Re: Article on Kodak

[Rob Studdert]

On 25 Jul 2002 at 15:35, Cotty wrote:

> IMO Kodak should put great effort into marketing their own brand of 
> digital media storage, and get them on shelves now. Cheap and cheerful 
> Compact Flash cards that hold three dozen good-res shots with the words 
> 'Kodak Electronic Film or whatever  plastered all over them, at about the 
> same cost as film is now. Then Joe P+S can buy them, shoot the kids, drop 
> them off for printing, get them back with prints, and drop them into a 
> drawer, just like he would with the (old-style) negs. Why re-use CF 
> cards? If they're cheap enough, and sold everywhere, they'll sell 
> millions eventually. If Grandma wants some prints later, he can just take 
> the CF card back for those, just like he would with negs. No computer, no 
> fiddling, and the processing houses keep going. Old habits die hard with 
> most people :-)

A good idea for all intents except that I suspect that you'll find that the 
cards aren't yet guaranteed non-volatile as long term storage media?

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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Brad Dobo]

Well, it could be like that combo (Mz-S/AF360FGZ) the P-TTL which I actually
have too.  I know it's not a focus assist, as it actually has an IR beam
(Funny how they put it on a lowly 2.0M and not the MZ-5n, the MZ-S, etc.  I
don't know if the 'user friendly' MZ models have it.)

It doesn't affect the exposure any.  It takes nice little pictures for what
it cost.  I was more worried about it being defect, but my experience with
the Pentax Rep. tells me it's not.  I just don't like it using the battery
power if it isn't doing anything, and it _appears_ to be as strong a flash
as the ?main? one.  As you can guess, the manual does not talk about this at
all.  So being a P-TTL could be it.  I didn't think of that.  Thanks Bill!
(still don't like it eating batteries tho :))

On another topic, I see users have pictures up.  How/Can I do this?

Oh ya, and is there anyone in London, ON, Can in this list?  I'm the only
Pentax user around it seems :)

Brad Dobo

> > Could it possibly use the same flash system as the MZ-S/AF360FGZ combo?
> In
> > that case there are 2 flashes, the first to tell the camera what setting
> to
> > use and the second to make the exposure.
> >
> > Bill  KG4LOV
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Or, it could be focus assist.  The MZ-S uses the RTF for AF assist in low
> light situations.
>
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Re: Digital doubts

[ERNReed]

In a message dated 7/25/2002 9:50:18 AM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> ERNR wrote:
> > I agree "if digital can't deliver ... " but "right now it certainly
> can't"?
> 
> The important part of my quote you left off was "at a competitive price", 
> by
> which I mean competitive with disposable cameras and low-end
> point-and-shoot.  It ain't there yet, and I don't see it getting there for 
> a
> long time to come.  Maybe they'll surprise us.
> 

Although I didn't quote it, I thought I had addressed it by commenting that 
the reprint price was about the same. However, you are talking about initial 
price of the camera -- so okay, that's a factor still not on the same level.


> Kodak (and the rest of them) have realized immense profits from manufacture
> and sale of film -- a case of giving away the "razor" in order to make
> profit in the sale of the "blades".  Not sure if there are enough "blades"
> in digital photography to make it attractive.  Perhaps paper and ink sales
> will one day provide the huge profit margins that conventional film today
> supplies.  If, on the other hand, the profits are squeezed primarily out of
> services (photofinishing) rather than goods (film), I think Kodak may very
> well cease to exist -- at least as the manufacturing company we know it as
> today.
> 

I can't argue with this. Business is not my strong field and it's been a long 
time since I took any economics classes. I think I see what you're saying, 
though. 


> > The masses *can* walk into an establishment with the digital camera
> > in hand and get prints quite painlessly now.
> 
> "Painless" is a relative term, I think.  The initial equipment expense is
> quite steep, and the cost of consumables -- batteries, in this case -- is
> not a trivial expense.  But aside from that, I'd agree that dropping off
> your memory card at the local Wal-Mart is convenient.  As long as nobody
> damages your expensive card  ;-)

Batteries may not be a big deal either, depending on equipment. Some cameras 
-- mine, for instance -- don't use "consumable" batteries. I'm sure the 
proprietary rechargable will eventually die, but if it's going to be well 
over a year before it needs replacing, how "consumable" is the consumer going 
to consider that? Again, I have no rebuttal for your point about the initial 
cost of the camera.
And you don't "drop off" the expensive memory card at Wal*Mart, from what 
I've seen -- you put it in the machine, download the data, push the friendly 
little buttons to place your order, remove your card and take it with you. 
Certainly that's how it works at the semi-pro lab where I actually do get 
prints made.

> 
> > I shoot film when I want better quality; when the situation is low-light;
> > when I want the images to have a better shot at longevity; when I want
> > to use my Pentaxes. But of course I am picky
> 
> Couldn't have put it better myself!  But I have to concede that there's a
> certain "fun factor" and an instant gratification that makes digital -- 
> with
> all of what I perceive to be its shortcomings -- somewhat enticing.
> 
I use a digital a lot for that kind of thing -- fun factor, instant 
gratification. Another big use of mine is for documenting church-related 
events where the ultimate goal is a Power-Point slide show and maybe some 4x6 
reprints. They're happy to reimburse me for my costs, but if I shot film I 
would have to restrict myself severely to keep the film and processing costs 
low (and thereby not work the subject to get the kind of images I think the 
situation deserves). When I shoot with my own personal digital camera, for 
which I have already paid and which I use for my own purposes all the time, 
then I can give them my best 80 shots from the three- or four-day event on a 
CD-ROM. They never see the outtakes and they don't get to second-guess how 
much shooting I'm doing. They get maybe 80 pictures to play with for their 
slide show and don't know I shot three or four times that number.

Incidentally my digital is great as a fly-on-the-wall camera -- it's small 
and silent. ON-TOPIC: when I do shoot film in the church setting (like, when 
the light is too low and I need fast glass and fast film) the ZX-5n works 
almost as well for fly-on-the-wall. (And the Canonet, but that's getting 
Off-T again.)

Digital gives me the freedom to really work my subject, and experiment, 
without being restricted by a budget. (Again, noting that I have already 
bought the camera, batteries and cards.) Now I can set out to prove whether I 
really would shoot as well as a National Geographic photographer if I were 
free to make as many images! (So far -- no.) 


ERNR
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RE: Curiosity.... B&W Old School films

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:48:09 -0400
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Subject: RE: Curiosity B&W "Old School" films


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Chang-Sang
>
>
> Weird. . . The sharpness I acheived from the HP5 in
> Perceptol blows away any
> Tmax that I've done in D76 or in Tmax but I there is
> obvious grain with the
> HP5 vs the Tmax.. that I don't expect to change.

Again, TMAX us tricky to process. Processed correctly it looks sharp.


I've processed Tmax in Tmax developer as per Kodak's instructions and I
don't seem to get the same results as I did with the HP5.  Maybe it's just
that I like the tonality(?) of HP5 better ??  I'm not saying I'm going to
swear off of Tmax because I do think it's a good film, just that I was
surprised by the beauty of the HP5

Cheers,
Dave



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RE: More images from PDML UK

[mike wilson]

Hi,

I am having difficulty getting the images to load other than v.
slowly, but

David wrote:

> 1) Bristol Bulldog
Hawker. (Hart, I think, but can't remember)
> 2) Flight of 4 - Supermarine Spitfire, F4U Corsair, P38 Kittyhawk, P51-D
  Mustang
> 3) umm.. damn.. it's on the tip of my tongue.. oh.. ok .. pass
See 10.  Then see my series, once they are on a site
somewhere...
> 4) F4U Corsair
> 5) a whole bunch of aircraft in a lineup... first one is a P51-B Mustang
This was a splendid line of Spitfires, Mustangs, etc.  I think
the theme was "Merlin".
> 6) Supermarine Spitfire (I'm not sure if it's Mark V or Mark IX though)
> 7) Spitfire again, I'm not sure if this is the same aircraft as 6
> 8) B-25 Mitchell
> 9) I think.. and really think.. this is a Fieseler Storch - used as a recon
  aircraft
Not a Storch.  Storch is similar to a Lysander (high wing
monoplane - low wing not much use for recon.) but more gawky.
> 10) unsure
This is (I think) a modern stunt plane which looks much older
than it is.  The pilot was the opposite.  Put her on, Jostein! 
They aren't all grizzled veterans.
> 11) unsure
> 12) Bristol Bulldog again
> 13) two F4 Corsairs
> 14) Kittyhawk, Corsair and Spitfire
Same group as 2 - Mustang wing in bottom right corner.
> 15) Ford Trimotor
JU 52.
> 16) same as 15
> 17) F4U Corsair
  18) Ford Trimotor

I see Jostein has now got captions on most of the pics.

mike
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Re: do i give up the k2 for an lx??????????

[Rob Studdert]

On 25 Jul 2002 at 17:21, happy just happy wrote:

> i have just been down my local camera shop and for $650 australian they have an
> lx they will give me 250 for my k2 is it worth the exchange or stick with my k2
> what are the adsvantages of the k2 over the lx and the lx over the k2

Where are you located :-)

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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Rob Studdert]

On 25 Jul 2002 at 8:49, Brad Dobo wrote:

> No noI'm no newbie.  The red-eye function is off.  That OF COURSE was
> the first thing I checked.  Believe me, the Pentax Rep. and I went over
> everything.  Wonder if it is a design fault.  And again, I wouldn't be so
> silly as to have red-eye reduction on and wonder why I got a double flash.
> It's not a stored property in the memory either.

Probably like my Olympus, not red eye reduction but TTL flash pre-metering.

Cheers,

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Re: OT: Digital doubts

[Rob Studdert]

On 24 Jul 2002 at 23:51, Bob Keefer wrote:

> Is it possible that digital photography doesn't have such a rosy future with
> consumers as we're all led to believe?

> I really wonder whether the average home photographer really wants to put
> that much energy into making pictures of the kids' birthday party. Or,
> perhaps, does old-fashioned film have a lot safer future than we all
> believe?
> 
> Comments?

Hi Bob,

Printing speed is directly related to size, you'll find that 4x6 prints are 
pretty quick out of most modern home photo-printers. There are many more 
options available for digital printing that avoid need to employ personal 
computers should you wish. My camera allows direct printing to a suitable 
printer and can also provide a thumb-nail sheet and date on photo if required. 
There are also photo printers with camera memory card slots which can read the 
now pretty standard card formats and image types. Also card can be taken to 
many newer labs for prints direct to conventional RA-4 paper. Looking pretty 
rosy for the plebs if you ask me :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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Update, Quebec Poster Order

[andre]

I received my posters from Italy today.  It took three days!  Nice 
piece.  A few bodies have a non-normal lens like the 85/1.8.  It 
makes me think that now we need an Asahi lenses poster!!!

I will have some posters in Quebec and leave some in Montreal at my 
sister's place saturday (about center of the island).  Please contact 
me off-list if you're interested.  I will have tubes.  Cost will be 4 
US or 6 CAN.

Andre
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RE: Curiosity.... B&W "Old School" films

[tom]

 -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Łukasz Kacperczyk
>
>
> 
>
> What do you mean by 'cool'? I'm about to try the same
> combination, and was
> curious as to what to expect.

Rodinal does something interesting in the midtones. I'm not sure how
to explain it.

It's good, try it.

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RE: Curiosity.... B&W "Old School" films

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Chang-Sang
>
>
> Weird. . . The sharpness I acheived from the HP5 in
> Perceptol blows away any
> Tmax that I've done in D76 or in Tmax but I there is
> obvious grain with the
> HP5 vs the Tmax.. that I don't expect to change.

Again, TMAX us tricky to process. Processed correctly it looks sharp.

>
> I have a sneaking suspiscion that both the Kodak and Ilford
> films do not
> take well to the others developers :-)  but I guess that's
> an obvious
> statement.

No. Many of Ilford's developers are copies or "refinements" of
Kodak's. Ilford films look great in XTOL, TMZ looks good in DD-X.

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RE: OT: Digital doubts

[tom]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Rubenstein, Bruce M
> 
> 
> I love it when people have a few drinks and then post long, 
> insightful revelations.

HAR!

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Re: more images from PDML UK

[Bill Owens]

> Jostein. Please accept this as constructive criticism: (I should not say
too much as I did not take any pix whatsoever) - have you ever considered
the way in which the thumbs are arranged, on first viewing?
>  I once worked in a picture library and learned how to make up a
"presentation". Most photographs have a direction. L-R, or R-L. Yes, ok
there are some which are T-B and B-T. Let's concentrate on the first group.
Separate the pix into L-R, R-L,  absolute corkers (any direction). The
corkers go in the centre. The drectional shots are arranged around them,
pointing the way to the best shots. L-R go on the left, whilst (you guessed
it) R-L on the right. Just try this at home with an archive sleeve and
lightbox.
>
> Kind regards from sunny Brighton
>
> Peter
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Also, you might try a somewhat slower shutter speed to show the propellers
as a blur.

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RE: Digital doubts

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

ERNR wrote:
> I agree "if digital can't deliver ... " but "right now it certainly
can't"?

The important part of my quote you left off was "at a competitive price", by
which I mean competitive with disposable cameras and low-end
point-and-shoot.  It ain't there yet, and I don't see it getting there for a
long time to come.  Maybe they'll surprise us.

Kodak (and the rest of them) have realized immense profits from manufacture
and sale of film -- a case of giving away the "razor" in order to make
profit in the sale of the "blades".  Not sure if there are enough "blades"
in digital photography to make it attractive.  Perhaps paper and ink sales
will one day provide the huge profit margins that conventional film today
supplies.  If, on the other hand, the profits are squeezed primarily out of
services (photofinishing) rather than goods (film), I think Kodak may very
well cease to exist -- at least as the manufacturing company we know it as
today.

> The masses *can* walk into an establishment with the digital camera
> in hand and get prints quite painlessly now.

"Painless" is a relative term, I think.  The initial equipment expense is
quite steep, and the cost of consumables -- batteries, in this case -- is
not a trivial expense.  But aside from that, I'd agree that dropping off
your memory card at the local Wal-Mart is convenient.  As long as nobody
damages your expensive card  ;-)

> I shoot film when I want better quality; when the situation is low-light;
> when I want the images to have a better shot at longevity; when I want
> to use my Pentaxes. But of course I am picky

Couldn't have put it better myself!  But I have to concede that there's a
certain "fun factor" and an instant gratification that makes digital -- with
all of what I perceive to be its shortcomings -- somewhat enticing.

Cheerio,

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
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Re: more images from PDML UK

[Bill Owens]

> < Click the Airshow portefolio on the left menu at http://oksne.net
> 
> Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?>>
> 
Flight of 4:

Spitfire, Corsair, P-40, P-51

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Re: Article on Kodak

[Cotty]

>Kodak spent the majority of the last century pandering to the mass 
>market and were very successful at it. Chances are Kodak will find a way to 
>be competitive, they always have. Still, if the film market continues to 
>lose 
>ground to digital they'll have some major challenges

IMO Kodak should put great effort into marketing their own brand of 
digital media storage, and get them on shelves now. Cheap and cheerful 
Compact Flash cards that hold three dozen good-res shots with the words 
'Kodak Electronic Film or whatever  plastered all over them, at about the 
same cost as film is now. Then Joe P+S can buy them, shoot the kids, drop 
them off for printing, get them back with prints, and drop them into a 
drawer, just like he would with the (old-style) negs. Why re-use CF 
cards? If they're cheap enough, and sold everywhere, they'll sell 
millions eventually. If Grandma wants some prints later, he can just take 
the CF card back for those, just like he would with negs. No computer, no 
fiddling, and the processing houses keep going. Old habits die hard with 
most people :-)

Of course, they'd have to promote digital cameras as well - the Digital 
Box Brownie - to stimulate growth. It would work.

.02 Cotty

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Re: more images from PDML UK

[dick graham]

In the other pics:2nd row far left-Corsair, 2nd row middle pic looks to be 
a line of P-51 Mustangs with Allison engines before the switch was made to 
the Rolls Royce Merlin power plant, 2nd row far right might be a RAF 
Spitfire, 3rd row far left-Spitfire?, 3rd row middle US B-26 bomber,  5th 
row far left-a pair of Corsair's, 5th row middle- Corsair in middle(you can 
tell by the distinctive gull wing shape)  sandwiched by a Mustang and ?,

DG


At 09:55 AM 7/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?>>
>
>Jostein. Please accept this as constructive criticism: (I should not say 
>too much as I did not take any pix whatsoever) - have you ever considered 
>the way in which the thumbs are arranged, on first viewing?
>  I once worked in a picture library and learned how to make up a 
> "presentation". Most photographs have a direction. L-R, or R-L. Yes, ok 
> there are some which are T-B and B-T. Let's concentrate on the first 
> group. Separate the pix into L-R, R-L,  absolute corkers (any direction). 
> The corkers go in the centre. The drectional shots are arranged around 
> them, pointing the way to the best shots. L-R go on the left, whilst (you 
> guessed it) R-L on the right. Just try this at home with an archive 
> sleeve and lightbox.
>
>Kind regards from sunny Brighton
>
>Peter
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Re: more images from PDML UK

[Jostein]

Hi, Peter!
I see your point. In this case it really makes a difference. 
I'll see to it tonight.
There main reason for the chaos is that I've let Photoshop assign 
filenames autmatically, while I didn't scan the images in the same 
order as they are on the films.

Sorry about that.
Jostein


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>
>Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?>>
>
>Jostein. Please accept this as constructive criticism: (I should 
not say too much as I did not take any pix whatsoever) - have you 
ever considered the way in which the thumbs are arranged, on first 
viewing?
> I once worked in a picture library and learned how to make up 
a "presentation". Most photographs have a direction. L-R, or R-L. 
Yes, ok there are some which are T-B and B-T. Let's concentrate on 
the first group. Separate the pix into L-R, R-L,  absolute corkers 
(any direction). The corkers go in the centre. The drectional 
shots are arranged around them, pointing the way to the best 
shots. L-R go on the left, whilst (you guessed it) R-L on the 
right. Just try this at home with an archive sleeve and lightbox. 
>
>Kind regards from sunny Brighton
>
>Peter
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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Bill Owens]

> > No noI'm no newbie.  The red-eye function is off.  That OF COURSE
was
> > the first thing I checked.  Believe me, the Pentax Rep. and I went over
> > everything.  Wonder if it is a design fault.  And again, I wouldn't be
so
> > silly as to have red-eye reduction on and wonder why I got a double
flash.
> > It's not a stored property in the memory either.
> >
> > Any other ideas? :)
>
> Could it possibly use the same flash system as the MZ-S/AF360FGZ combo?
In
> that case there are 2 flashes, the first to tell the camera what setting
to
> use and the second to make the exposure.
>
> Bill  KG4LOV
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or, it could be focus assist.  The MZ-S uses the RTF for AF assist in low
light situations.

Bill  KG4LOV
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Re: more images from PDML UK

[dick graham]

Jostein, top middle photo- plane second from left is a US Navy Corsair used 
heavily in the South Pacific theater, plane third from left looks to be a 
P-40? used by the Flying Tiger's in Asia and plane on far right looks to me 
to ba a P-51 Mustang used extensively to provide escort service to the 
bombing raids over Germany.  Plane on far left I don't recognize, it has 
British markings but doesn't appear to be a Spitfire or Mosquito.

DG



At 09:55 AM 7/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?>>
>
>Jostein. Please accept this as constructive criticism: (I should not say 
>too much as I did not take any pix whatsoever) - have you ever considered 
>the way in which the thumbs are arranged, on first viewing?
>  I once worked in a picture library and learned how to make up a 
> "presentation". Most photographs have a direction. L-R, or R-L. Yes, ok 
> there are some which are T-B and B-T. Let's concentrate on the first 
> group. Separate the pix into L-R, R-L,  absolute corkers (any direction). 
> The corkers go in the centre. The drectional shots are arranged around 
> them, pointing the way to the best shots. L-R go on the left, whilst (you 
> guessed it) R-L on the right. Just try this at home with an archive 
> sleeve and lightbox.
>
>Kind regards from sunny Brighton
>
>Peter
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OT: Evgen Bavcar The blind photographer

[Adrian Sorescu]

http://www.zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/bavcar/index.html#
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Re: OT: Digital doubts

[Jostein]

Bruce Rubinstein asked:
Are we really shocked and amazed that digital isn't as completely 
developed yet?

---
Of course not. But I think it's about time we stop feeling guilty 
about thinking so!

Jostein.
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Re: Anyone heard from Shel?

[Francis Alviar]

I haven't heard from Shel.  I'm anxious to hear from
him though as I am expecting a package from him.  Shel
if you can read our postings take your time with my
package.  I know you are a bit under the weather.  No
rush.  Just get well soon.


Francis M. Alviar



frank theriault wrote:

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:35:38 -0400
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anyone heard from Shel?

I know someone asked this a couple of weeks ago, but
has anyone heard
from Shel lately?  I e-mailed him last week, but
haven't heard back.  I
know at least one other list member is trying to
contact him as well.

Last I heard from him was a couple of weeks ago, when
he listed a bunch
of stuff for sale.

Quite frankly, I'm getting a bit worried.  I do hope
he's okay.

Anyone out there know anything, or heard from him
recently?

thanks,
frank

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Re: more images from PDML UK

[camdir]

>

Jostein. Please accept this as constructive criticism: (I should not say too much as I 
did not take any pix whatsoever) - have you ever considered the way in which the 
thumbs are arranged, on first viewing?
 I once worked in a picture library and learned how to make up a "presentation". Most 
photographs have a direction. L-R, or R-L. Yes, ok there are some which are T-B and 
B-T. Let's concentrate on the first group. Separate the pix into L-R, R-L,  absolute 
corkers (any direction). The corkers go in the centre. The drectional shots are 
arranged around them, pointing the way to the best shots. L-R go on the left, whilst 
(you guessed it) R-L on the right. Just try this at home with an archive sleeve and 
lightbox. 

Kind regards from sunny Brighton

Peter
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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Bill Owens]

> No noI'm no newbie.  The red-eye function is off.  That OF COURSE was
> the first thing I checked.  Believe me, the Pentax Rep. and I went over
> everything.  Wonder if it is a design fault.  And again, I wouldn't be so
> silly as to have red-eye reduction on and wonder why I got a double flash.
> It's not a stored property in the memory either.
>
> Any other ideas? :)

Could it possibly use the same flash system as the MZ-S/AF360FGZ combo?  In
that case there are 2 flashes, the first to tell the camera what setting to
use and the second to make the exposure.

Bill  KG4LOV
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Re: do i give up the k2 for an lx..........?

[camdir]

<>

Alan.

Please illuminate, in the first part rather than the second.

Kind regards

Peter
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Re: OT: Digital doubts

[Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)]

I love it when people have a few drinks and then post long, insightful revelations.
Chemical photography is about 170 years old, mass market digital is only a handful of 
years old. Are we really shocked and amazed that digital isn't as completely developed 
yet?
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Re: Digital doubts

[ERNReed]

In a message dated 7/25/2002 8:09:24 AM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> I think you're absolutely right that most folks
> don't want to go to all that trouble if the goal is a couple dozen 4x6
> prints of vacations, birthday parties, and so forth.  Hell, ~I~ won't
> usually go to that trouble if all I want is a 4x6 reprint, and I really
> enjoy all the fiddling!  Kodak's mantra for the past century has been, "You
> push the button; we do the rest."  If digital can't deliver that kind of
> performance to the masses at a competitive price -- and right now, I'd 
> agree
> that it certainly can't -- then the much more profitable film business will
> remain intact for a long time to come, I suspect.
> 

I agree "if digital can't deliver ... " but "right now it certainly can't"? 
Yes, it can. At both my favourite "semi-pro" lab, and at my favourite 
Wal*Mart, you can take the memory card from the camera, plug it into their 
machine, and order reprints. The ones from the lab look great. I have no idea 
how the Wal*Mart ones look -- I saw the beginning of the process but didn't 
stick around to see the results (not my images). At the lab, the reprint 
price from digital media is similar to that from film. (And you didn't pay to 
buy film, didn't pay to process film, didn't have to wait to finish a roll, 
and didn't have to wait for initial process and print to know what the images 
look like to select the reprints.) They also offer the option of transferring 
the images from the camera's card to CD-ROM. Not sure what this price looks 
like, as I haven't used the service. But the point is that the masses *can* 
walk into an establishment with the digital camera in hand and get prints 
quite painlessly now. 
I shoot film when I want better quality; when the situation is low-light; 
when I want the images to have a better shot at longevity; when I want to use 
my Pentaxes. But of course I am picky. Seems to me in light of the above that 
plenty of consumers might now see no reason for film in their lives.

ERNR
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Re: do i give up the k2 for an lx??????????

[Pentxuser]

I'm not sure every LX needs to be checked over. Use it. Run film through it 
and then decide if it needs to go in for servicing
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Re: do i give up the k2 for an lx??????????

[Pentxuser]

Keep the K2 as a backup and buy the LX. It may hurt the pocketbook, but a 
year from now you'll be happy to have both...
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RE: Digital doubts

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

On the "digital future", Bob Keefer opined:
I really wonder whether the average home photographer really wants to
put that much energy into making pictures of the kids' birthday party

Hi Bob,

I think you've nailed it.  As much as many of us PDMLers enjoy working in
the "digital darkroom", I think you're absolutely right that most folks
don't want to go to all that trouble if the goal is a couple dozen 4x6
prints of vacations, birthday parties, and so forth.  Hell, ~I~ won't
usually go to that trouble if all I want is a 4x6 reprint, and I really
enjoy all the fiddling!  Kodak's mantra for the past century has been, "You
push the button; we do the rest."  If digital can't deliver that kind of
performance to the masses at a competitive price -- and right now, I'd agree
that it certainly can't -- then the much more profitable film business will
remain intact for a long time to come, I suspect.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY
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Re: OT: Digital doubts

[Steve Desjardins]

I have noticed that Walmart offers a fairly good range of services for
digital, e.g., print from website or print from electronic media.   I
don't think that most folks will print their own, ultimately.  I think
the real advantage of digital will be the instant feedback and some
selectiveness in what gets printed.  But, aside from the instant
feedback, it's not much different from film if you want prints or
slides.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/25/02 02:51AM >>>
Hi folks:

OK, it's late at night here in the Pacific zone and I'm drinking a
little
red wine after an enjoyable evening shooting pictures of an old friend
at
the studio. Here's something that's been on my mind lately.

Is it possible that digital photography doesn't have such a rosy future
with
consumers as we're all led to believe?

Here's the evidence, scant though it is. My wife got me a nice Canon
S20
digital point and shoot camersa almost exactly a year ago for my
birthday.
It has given me a pleasant way to play with the digital future. It
even
makes pretty good 8x10s on the HP inkjet printer.

So what's my beef? Well, it takes a really long time to make prints.
Making
prints involves computers, which, if you hadn't noticed, rarely work
as
promised. Not to mention the fact I already work on computers all day
at the
office. Even if the computer happens to be feeling well, by the time I
could
possibly import, size, tweak and print 36 4x6 inch prints, I could
have
driven a roll of film to the nearest one-hour photo joint, had a cup
of
coffee, read the paper and driven back home -- and be out less money
than I
would have spent on batteries, paper and ink. Not to mention the
headache
differential.

And I'm a pretty committed  digital owner. I really like photography.
I
would love to see digital work. But I still shoot almost entirely on
film.
It's easier. I'm not a photojournalist, so I don't need instant
access.

I really wonder whether the average home photographer really wants to
put
that much energy into making pictures of the kids' birthday party. Or,
perhaps, does old-fashioned film have a lot safer future than we all
believe?

Comments?

Bob Keefer
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Re: Photog in action! - OT

[Steve Desjardins]

The one in his hands looks like a C from the very rounded look of
the pentaprism.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/02 04:21PM >>>
Too bad he wasn't using Pentax gear (I think).  Group
members with better eyesight and camera identification
skills can tell what brand camera he is using.  I shot
this while attending graduation ceremonies at UCI.  My
camera was suffering from light leaks so ignore the
left side.

I wonder if his neck and back are sore afterwards.

http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/three_gs/Images/Photographer.jpg 

If the link doesn't work, just copy and paste.


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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Brad Dobo]

No noI'm no newbie.  The red-eye function is off.  That OF COURSE was
the first thing I checked.  Believe me, the Pentax Rep. and I went over
everything.  Wonder if it is a design fault.  And again, I wouldn't be so
silly as to have red-eye reduction on and wonder why I got a double flash.
It's not a stored property in the memory either.

Any other ideas? :)

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:51 AM
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> Brad,
> Welcome and it's called 'red eye reduction'.
> The first flash gets your iris to close up so the 2nd flash can get a
natural
> looking picture...no goulish red eyes with people in the dark!
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<  recently picked up this little digital camera for taking to bars and
clubs
>  for 'fun' shots, instead of bringing in thousands of dollars in
equipment.  I
>  like the results, but the camera does something odd.  When using flash,
it
>  ALWAYS fires twice.  I pointed this out to a Pentax Rep. and he tried the
> same
>  model he had with him, and guess what...it does the same thing.  He
couldn't
>  explain it -- can anyone here give it a shot? >>
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Re: Anyone heard from Shel?

[gfen]

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, frank theriault wrote:
> I know someone asked this a couple of weeks ago, but has anyone heard
> from Shel lately?  I e-mailed him last week, but haven't heard back.  I
> know at least one other list member is trying to contact him as well.

I just sent him a message Tuesday, but have yet to hear back.


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Update,Ontario Poster Order

[David Brooks]

Hi.
So far i have :
Me
Aaron
David Chang-Sang
Frank
Jeff
Vic
who are requesting a poster.Brendan,you out there??
Do you want one.
Wendy,are you going through Andre.?
Any one else in the Toronto,or Ontario area looking
for one?,please let me know by the weekend and i'll 
order from Dario.
Are the Western PDMLers doing something for there areas?
Looks like about $5-6 Can if i get 10 or so posters.
A bit more if i need to mail a tube to some one.
Dave


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RE: More images from PDML UK

[Rob Brigham]

I have altered...

> -Original Message-
> From: David Chang-Sang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 25 July 2002 12:34
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: More images from PDML UK
> 
> 
> Hmm..
> I love vintage aircraft - always have - ever since I was a 
> kid and I'd put together model kits over and over and over again :)
> 
> Let's see.. naming..
> I'll try and see how many I can get right (or wrong) :)
> 
> 1) Bristol Bulldog

> 2) Flight of 4 - Supermarine Spitfire, F4U Corsair, P38 
> Kittyhawk, P51-D Mustang
Supermarine Spitfire,Jacquard Warbirds' F4U Corsair,TFC's Curtiss P-40M
Kittyhawk,Maurice Hammond North American P-51D Mustang Janie 
 
> 3) umm.. damn.. it's on the tip of my tongue.. oh.. ok .. Pass
Bücker Bü133C Jungmeister LG+01 (G-AYSJ)

> 4) F4U Corsair
Jacquard Warbirds' F4U Corsair

> 5) a whole bunch of aircraft in a lineup... first one is a 
> P51-B Mustang
Don't think there were any 'B's there - all listed as 'D's

> 6) Supermarine Spitfire (I'm not sure if it's Mark V or Mark 
> IX though)

> 7) Spitfire again, I'm not sure if this is the same aircraft as 6

> 8) B-25 Mitchell
In fact Duke of Brabant's North American B-25J Mitchell!!!

> 9) I think.. and really think.. this is a Fieseler Storch - 
> used as a recon aircraft
There was an ME108 listed

> 10) unsure
Bücker Bü133C Jungmeister LG+01 (G-AYSJ)

> 11) unsure
Bücker Bü133C Jungmeister LG+01 (G-AYSJ)

> 12) Bristol Bulldog again
> 13) two F4 Corsairs
> 14) Kittyhawk, Corsair and Spitfire
> 15) Ford Trimotor
Lufthansa Junkers JU52 (Currently doing leisure flights over London!!!)

> 16) same as 15
JU52

> 17) F4U Corsair
> 18) Ford Trimotor
JU52
> 
> I'm probably wrong on a couple.. definitely unsure about #9 
> and I think #3, #10 and #11 is a Heinkel but I don't know the 
> plane type..
> 
> I can't name the lens in #3 though :)  But whatever it is.. I 
> want that as my prize if I win :)
> 
> lovely pics !!
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Jostein
> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:59 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: More images from PDML UK
> 
> 
> uploaded a few more images to my site yesterday.
> Click the Airshow portefolio on the left menu at http://oksne.net
> 
> Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?
> 
> best,
> Jostein.
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Re: OT:Curiosity.... B&W "Old School" films

[David Brooks]

David.I have shot3-4 rolls each of the fp4+,delta
100 and delta 400 and a few of delta 3200.
I just received my first roll of Tmax100 last night.
So far i like it the best.(all developed by labs)and 
the delta 400.I shot 2 rolls of 3200 in bright sun
(was not bright when i loaded the camera)and found
it to be to grainy,however the bar lit stuff
last year was nice.
As it stand now,i think Tmax and delta 400 will be in the
bag for 35mm.
I have only used fp4+ in the YM and nothing else so
i have nothing to compare yet.Am picking up IR
roll number 5 today and i think they carry 120 Tmax
which i'll pick up and try.

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Re: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Rfsindg]

Brad,
Welcome and it's called 'red eye reduction'.
The first flash gets your iris to close up so the 2nd flash can get a natural 
looking picture...no goulish red eyes with people in the dark!
Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  recently picked up this little digital camera for taking to bars and clubs
 for 'fun' shots, instead of bringing in thousands of dollars in equipment.  I
 like the results, but the camera does something odd.  When using flash, it
 ALWAYS fires twice.  I pointed this out to a Pentax Rep. and he tried the 
same
 model he had with him, and guess what...it does the same thing.  He couldn't
 explain it -- can anyone here give it a shot? >>
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RE: Pentax Optio 230 Double Flash

[Raivo Tiikmaa]

 Hi !

The Red-Eye-Reduction System is switched ON !


Cheers , raivo
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RE: Curiosity.... B&W "Old School" films

[David Chang-Sang]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tom
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Curiosity B&W "Old School" films


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Chang-Sang
>
>
> What I want to know is - why is it that T-max and the other
> T grain films
> remain so popular if the beauty of images from old school
> films like HP5
> plus are so nice to look at already ?

Cuz they're sharper and have smaller grain.

Weird. . . The sharpness I acheived from the HP5 in Perceptol blows away any
Tmax that I've done in D76 or in Tmax but I there is obvious grain with the
HP5 vs the Tmax.. that I don't expect to change.  I'm going to have to try
Pan F for myself to see what happens with it.  Having never tried or had the
opportunity to try Agfa APX, I have nothing to compare it to. I have read
though that APX is no longer and the closest thing is Pan F exposed @ 25.

I've got 2 rolls of Delta 100 that I plan on developing in Perceptol as well
to achieve the finest grain.

I have a sneaking suspiscion that both the Kodak and Ilford films do not
take well to the others developers :-)  but I guess that's an obvious
statement.

Cheers,
Dave
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RE: More images from PDML UK

[David Chang-Sang]

Hmm..
I love vintage aircraft - always have - ever since I was a kid and I'd put
together model kits over and over and over again :)

Let's see.. naming..
I'll try and see how many I can get right (or wrong) :)

1) Bristol Bulldog
2) Flight of 4 - Supermarine Spitfire, F4U Corsair, P38 Kittyhawk, P51-D
Mustang
3) umm.. damn.. it's on the tip of my tongue.. oh.. ok .. pass
4) F4U Corsair
5) a whole bunch of aircraft in a lineup... first one is a P51-B Mustang
6) Supermarine Spitfire (I'm not sure if it's Mark V or Mark IX though)
7) Spitfire again, I'm not sure if this is the same aircraft as 6
8) B-25 Mitchell
9) I think.. and really think.. this is a Fieseler Storch - used as a recon
aircraft
10) unsure
11) unsure
12) Bristol Bulldog again
13) two F4 Corsairs
14) Kittyhawk, Corsair and Spitfire
15) Ford Trimotor
16) same as 15
17) F4U Corsair
18) Ford Trimotor

I'm probably wrong on a couple.. definitely unsure about #9 and I think #3,
#10 and #11 is a Heinkel but I don't know the plane type..

I can't name the lens in #3 though :)  But whatever it is.. I want that as
my prize if I win :)

lovely pics !!

Cheers,
Dave

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jostein
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:59 AM
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Subject: More images from PDML UK


uploaded a few more images to my site yesterday.
Click the Airshow portefolio on the left menu at http://oksne.net

Anyone who knows the names of any of those planes?

best,
Jostein.
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