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-- Original Message -- From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I think for responding you become a teste Har! Humph! :^) otoh, too bad if the tone of my comment was received as testily. Sorry if that happened... J. .
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Re[2]: Pentax at Photokina
Hi, Thursday, October 3, 2002, 4:55:53 AM, you wrote: Digital makes EVERYTHING better! I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :( This is not really borne out by the figures. There's an interesting little piece here in which James Crabtree describes it as 'creative destruction'. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2263916.stm --- Bob
SMC Pentax K-Mount Extreme Telephoto Prime Lens Poll
Hello PDML, I am a day late, but now it's poll time again! Here comes the SMC Pentax K-Mount Extreme Telephoto Prime Lens Poll. This time all members of the PDML are invited to choose 3 lenses among the SMC Pentax K-mount primes with focal length between 300mm and 2000mm. Please imagine that you have no exreme telephoto prime lens for your k-mount camera (maybe you need not to imagine this). Also imagine that you have more than enough money and a good opportunity to buy k-mount SMC Pentax medium telephoto prime lenses. What SMC Pentax k-mount medium telephoto lens would you like to get (and use!) most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick as your 2nd choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens would you pick as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not available)? Please choose among the following lenses: A*300/f2.8 EDIF FA*300/f2.8 EDIF K300/f4 M*300/f4 A*300/f4 F*300/f4.5 EDIF FA*300/f4.5 EDIF A*400/f2.8 K400/f5.6 M400/f5.6 A400/f5.6 FA*400/f5.6 EDIF K500/f4.5 F*600/f4 EDIF FA*600/f4 EDIF A*600/f5.6 EDIF K1000/f8 K1000/f11 Reflex A*1200/f8 EDIF K2000/f13.5 Reflex M2000/f13.5 Reflex Rules: 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice (please choose different lenses). You may choose less than 3 but not more than 3 choices. 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your vote to the PDML if you have commented your choices, and you want the members of the PDML to know your comments. 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Sunday, October 6th, 21:00 hours German time. Have fun with this poll, too, and thanks, again, in advance for contributing. Arnold
SMC Pentax K-Mount EXTREME Telephoto Prime Lens Poll
Hello PDML, I am a day late, but now it's poll time again! Here comes the SMC Pentax K-Mount Extreme Telephoto Prime Lens Poll. This time all members of the PDML are invited to choose 3 lenses among the SMC Pentax K-mount primes with focal length between 300mm and 2000mm. Please imagine that you have no exreme telephoto prime lens for your k-mount camera (maybe you need not to imagine this). Also imagine that you have more than enough money and a good opportunity to buy k-mount SMC Pentax EXTREME telephoto prime lenses. What SMC Pentax k-mount EXTREME telephoto lens would you like to get (and use!) most (1st choice)? What lens would you pick as your 2nd choice, if your first choice was not available? What lens would you pick as your 3rd choice (if your 1st and 2nd choice were not available)? Please choose among the following lenses: A*300/f2.8 EDIF FA*300/f2.8 EDIF K300/f4 M*300/f4 A*300/f4 F*300/f4.5 EDIF FA*300/f4.5 EDIF A*400/f2.8 K400/f5.6 M400/f5.6 A400/f5.6 FA*400/f5.6 EDIF K500/f4.5 F*600/f4 EDIF FA*600/f4 EDIF A*600/f5.6 EDIF K1000/f8 K1000/f11 Reflex A*1200/f8 EDIF K2000/f13.5 Reflex M2000/f13.5 Reflex Rules: 1.) Pick your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice (please choose different lenses). You may choose less than 3 but not more than 3 choices. 2.) Please send your vote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exception: Send your vote to the PDML if you have commented your choices, and you want the members of the PDML to know your comments. 3.) I will count all votes that are sent before Sunday, October 6th, 21:00 hours German time. Have fun with this poll, too, and thanks, again, in advance for contributing. Arnold
Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system?
The news of Olympus and their new Digital interchangeable lens reflex system got me thinking on why pentax could not use the old Auto 110 system (complete system with zoom lenses etc,) and upgrade it to include AF, and more importantly: Digital. Sensor size whould not be an issue, Batteries could be dealt with through the add on grip/motor, and it would be in line with Pentax philosophy of having small/light equipment... ...just a thought..not sure if it has been discussed before, apologies if it has... Michele __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Re[2]: Photokina and Pentax - the future?
Expectations are getting steeper all the time. A week ago it wouldhave bebeen enough to be sub $US2000. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) and with a $1000 DSLR based on an MZ body, their stock would shoot up faster than a heroin addict in withdrawl. :) chris
Re: New Pentax Site
Hi, Peter pop tart wrote: Maybe I can live in Japan and sell Pentax to all over the world! Isn't there already someone doing that? Though, I suppose you would do a better job. mike
Re: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system?
Why does it has to be AF?! Bob - Original Message - From: MPozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system? The news of Olympus and their new Digital interchangeable lens reflex system got me thinking on why pentax could not use the old Auto 110 system (complete system with zoom lenses etc,) and upgrade it to include AF, and more importantly: Digital. Sensor size whould not be an issue, Batteries could be dealt with through the add on grip/motor, and it would be in line with Pentax philosophy of having small/light equipment... ...just a thought..not sure if it has been discussed before, apologies if it has... Michele __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: SMC Pentax K-Mount Extreme Telephoto Prime Lens Poll
AF is great for long glass... 1- FA*300/f2.8 EDIF: Big glass that isn't too big. 2- FA*400/f5.6 EDIF: I'd prefer an f/4.0... but this one does the job. 3- FA*600/f4 EDIF for a bit more reach. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
RE: 16mm/2.8 zenitar
Polarizers would give very strange results on a lens that wide. Just remember that a filter must be in place at all times with that lens. That's why they give you a clear one in the set. I have this lens and am very happy with the reults I get from it. Len --- -Original Message- From: Mishka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 16mm/2.8 zenitar ...just came in this morning. Straight from Ukraine (ebay'ed a couple of weeks ago). Looks truly great (I hate to say for the money, but, yes, $110 is a very good price, and although mechanically it's a far cry from K-anything, the build is good). One gripe at the moment is that the filters are rear mounted and there is no option for, say, a polarizer. Gotta go to White Mountains this weekend... Mishka
RE: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
Brad Dobo said: My only hangup is that the waterproof housing only fits the 330RS and higher. I'd like one! I have the 430 and did not know of the waterproof housing can you tel me more please? A link perhaps? Alan
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/owp1/index.html regards, Alan Chan I have the 430 and did not know of the waterproof housing can you tel me more please? A link perhaps?
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
http://www01.bhphotovideo.com/default.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivat or__Aproductlist_html___259744___PEWCO___REG___CatID=0___SID=F0DF64F8E00 regards, Alan Chan I have the 430 and did not know of the waterproof housing can you tel me more please? A link perhaps?
List problems?
For Doug the list guy; several people have problems with their normal subscriptions. Is there any info we can pass on? Best, Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:05:19 +0100 Hi Jostein, Is it me or is the PDML down yet again? I'm getting no digests, so I subbed to the normal list and did a test, which I saw, so resubbed to digest, but nothing yet. Cotty Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ . .
Re: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system?
Ease of use...in line with this century perhaps? I assume the viewfinder to be small therefore hard to see through esp with glasses...AF may help... (I've never touched one...) even 'snap focus' could be a good compromise... Why should it be MF? __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Not withstanding the fact that the everything better claim doesn't sell very well, it has been my experience that digital has not reduced employment --- and almost always in the short to medium term increase staffing. I seldom find in administrative areas that there are any staff reductions achieved, mostly net increases. Some times the time lost dealing with losses due to new ability to play rather than work can be quite frustrating and very difficult to deal with. But these are just my observations. Would be interested in reading any publications you might have that support your theory. Otis Wright Alan Chan wrote: Digital makes EVERYTHING better! I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :( regards, Alan Chan
Re: 16mm/2.8 zenitar
- Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 16mm/2.8 zenitar Polarizers would give very strange results on a lens that wide. Could you explain a bit more? Just remember that a filter must be in place at all times with that lens. That's why they give you a clear one in the set. They actually explicitely explain this in their instruction manual. Btw, it also includes operation order for this lens: (1) Take the back cover off. (2) Mount the lens. (3) Take the front cover off... :) I have this lens and am very happy with the reults I get from it. Len Glad do hear that. Best, Mishka
Re: Asking for flash info.
Cesar, Get an AF200T for $25 from ebay. They are TTL units like the AF280T, but no tilt or swivel. The size is identical to the 200SA perfect for the LX in emergencies. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My local shop has the following used flashes - AF 160SAcracked bulb cover $10 US AF 200SAVG $20 US AF 210SAVG $50 US I am looking at carrying something smaller than my 280T and definitely my 400T. I am an available light person but find myself in positions where a little flash would be needed. When carrying the MZ-S this is no problem since it has its on camera flash. But when I carry an LX, well then, I need a flash. And I need to make sure I have a hot shoe :-) I am looking for opinions on what to get. Though I am thinking about getting both the 200 and 210, it is not much. What is the collective thought on prices, thanks,
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Go out and shoot with them. It'll be great for the first week and then you'll realize the quality isn't really there. Film is better and in many ways easier. You can't easily show your friends at the camera club your digital images the way you can with slide film. Digital may save time but don't count on it. You still have to process the pics you want through the computer etc etc... I'm guessing very few, maybe 1-2 per cent shoot professionally. Of that number maybe one or two need digital for fast turnaround. The rest are just ranting about keeping up with the Nikons and Canons. I'll be happy if Pentax comes out with a good digital I can use my old lenses on within the next 2-3 years. any serious photographer who is not actively using a digital camera and learning the workflow necessary to produce as good work as possible within the limitations of current technology is just asking to be marginalized, just as large format photography is. technology right now is changing so fast and there is no practical limitation in sight for the next 5 years. in the past 5 years, we have gone from 2 Megapixel pro digital cameras to 12 Megapixel ones. even if they just double in resolution in the next 5 years, they are going to be essentially equivalent to a 4000dpi slide scanner and close to what a really good slide film can resolve. with a digital original and places finally accepting digital submissions of work, the problems of duplicating slides and all those problems goes away. having 30 digital portfolios circulating at any one time is hugely less expensive than 30 dupe slide portfolios. as for digital presentations at camera clubs, i expect that the clubs will acquire their own presentation systems and accept a picture CD that you bring to a meeting. anyone who is selling their work regularly will see a huge reduction in backend costs by going mostly to fully digital, but to get quality results at the same time means developing habits and workflow to ensure that they themselves don't introduce anything to degrade their work. Herb
Re: Rebel Ti starts to copy MZ-S
On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 12:58 AM, Harri Haavisto wrote: That was my first impression of new Canon too! Sheap copy of Mz-S layout ideas. It not just tilted top, look at the placement of main dial (moved form left to rigth) and form of the grip. Also the back resamples bit of Mz-S, but LCD display comes from Minolta. Are they running out of ideas in Canon? Harri Haavisto They don't seem to have a problem with NIH (Not Invented Here). Dan Scott
RE: Digital-Film Wars: To Byte or not to Byte
Chris Brogden replied to my comments on a local commercial photographer and his attachment to film, vs. digital: 15 to 20 seconds [download time from camera to computer] is too slow And how long does it take to develop film? He finds digital to be limiting because he's not able to line up a series of shots thus captured and compare them side-by-side Sure he can... they'll just be a smaller size to fit them on the screen. It's like liking up a bunch of negatives to look at [Snip] I would even argue that looking at digital pics on a monitor can be even easier and more productive in some cases than looking directly at negatives [Snip] Hi Chris, You make good points. So you'd think that for this fellow, switching to digital would be an easy decision. Thus, I'm surprised that this fellow insists that for now -- and probably for five years out -- he believes film is still an advantage for his clients. Hmmm, I'm still puzzled. Maybe I'll see if I can find an e-mail address for this guy and send him a note. Perhaps it's got a lot to do with the types of subjects he shoots. It sounds like he's comparing digital files (non-prints) to prints from negatives, and that's an apples/oranges comparisons That could be it right there. I can see the advantage of comparing hardcopy images (hardcopy meaning a print or a negative, vs. a virtual image). Maybe you would call that a ~preference~ rather than an ~advantage~. This would be indeed be an apples/oranges sort of comparison, as you suggest. Well, one more thing to ponder! Cheers, Bill Peifer Rochester, NY
Re: SMC Pentax K-Mount EXTREME Telephoto Prime Lens Poll
1.) A*1200/f8 EDIF 2,) FA*600/f4 EDIF 3.) A*400/f2.8 Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California
Re: Asking for flash info.
Cesar, I second the AF200T, great little flash for packing light. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:24 AM Subject: Re: Asking for flash info. Cesar, Get an AF200T for $25 from ebay. They are TTL units like the AF280T, but no tilt or swivel. The size is identical to the 200SA perfect for the LX in emergencies. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My local shop has the following used flashes - AF 160SAcracked bulb cover $10 US AF 200SAVG $20 US AF 210SAVG $50 US I am looking at carrying something smaller than my 280T and definitely my 400T. I am an available light person but find myself in positions where a little flash would be needed. When carrying the MZ-S this is no problem since it has its on camera flash. But when I carry an LX, well then, I need a flash. And I need to make sure I have a hot shoe :-) I am looking for opinions on what to get. Though I am thinking about getting both the 200 and 210, it is not much. What is the collective thought on prices, thanks,
50th Anniversary
When exactly is the 50th Anniversary? Is there a month/date that any even is likely to happen? They are running out of time to do anything this year... Also, let us hope they will bring out the new products for the 50th Anniversary of the Asahiflex, not the 50th Anniversary of the first Pentax (2007)!!
Re: Regards to why i went digital etc
I bought the E-10 because it was a much better camera in terms of SLR style controls and because it was much cheaper (at the time) than the DSLR's. I also did not want to start investing in another set of lenses, so the fixed zoom was fine. I will note that the E-20 is still a lot cheaper than the other DLSR's, esepcially since you can't buy more lenses 8^) FYI, I paid about $1800 USD for the E-10. I gather the E-20 is available for $1600 now, and the E-10 fo $1100. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heading north, PDML get togethers????
Cesar Matamoros II wrote: Since Ken Archer nominated me for PDML ambassador, I think now is the time for me to step up... NYC PDML - Columbus Day weekend I will be doing my first high school reunion. But I should be available the rest of the time. I can even meet for lunch (Annsan???). Maybe Amita will be back by then? Sounds good to me - funny I was just thinking about writing about this! I Only time I definitely can't are Thursday evenings - Think we can actually manage a group meet? Come on PDMLers, let's get together, César Panama City, Florida OK :) ann
RE: Regards to why i went digital etc
-Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I bought the E-10 because it was a much better camera in terms of SLR style controls and because it was much cheaper (at the time) than the DSLR's. How do you like it? What do you use it for? Do you make prints? tv
Re: Rebel Ti starts to copy MZ-S
Guess whose latest slr has a tilted top plate? Hard to keep a good idea down, I guess. http://www.canoneos.com/rebelti/flash/rebelti_f.html Click on the flash thingie and then on the virtual 3d thing and check its profile. Dan Scott Wow, that looks truly awful and gimmicky. It should sell extremely well. RSW _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Pentax TLR drawing?
Someone posted a link to a drawing of a Pentax TLR a while back but I can't find the message - can someone repost? RSW _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Pentax Ad
Page 15 of the new Petersen's Photographic (November, 2002) has a full page ad for the Pentax Optio 430RS. The theme is power to spare (in terms mainly of battery life) and shows the camera in the foreground with a wire leading back to a marshall amp stack in the background. The lighting is such that the finish of the Optio is shown to be quite beautiful. RSW _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Mamiya advertising is better than Pentax
Hello- I've noticed that many on the list decry the size and weight of the EOS-1v and F5 type cameras and advocate that for that size it would make more sense to have an MF camera - up to a certain telephoto length, anyway. I recall, too, the posting of a link to some nature photog who switched from Canon to Pentax 645 for this very reason. Obviously, there are also issues of lens speed, wide-angle availability, lens/kit costs, and camera automation/sophistication that may weigh against such an option. My main point is that this type of advertising might be brilliant on the part of Pentax, certainly for the 645 (and especially if it were to get USM and/or Image-stabilization as a few have dreamed). However, Mamiya is taking advantage of just this in recent ads, such as on page 37 of the November 2002 issue of Photographic. It is quite a compelling ad which shows head-on shots (which make the case better than if one sees the depth of both systems) of a MAMIYA 7II next to an F5 (w/ name on Camera and lens blacked-out) and then below shows the difference in image size. Such a simple point - and made in such a graphic way that drives home the point. Would that Pentax advertising come up with such a concept. RSW _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
digests?
Just seeing if I can post. I can receive individual posts but not digests W.
Others with NO interest in digital?
Hello- Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else on this list who has absolutely zero interest in digital cameras (except perhaps as a curiosity), has no intention of ever converting from film, etc., etc.? At the moment, I'm not trying to argue with those in favor of digital, I'm just wondering if I am more-or-less completely alone in wishing to stay with film for the rest of my life. RSW _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: Rebel Ti starts to copy MZ-S
Robert Soames Wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess whose latest slr has a tilted top plate? Hard to keep a good idea down, I guess. http://www.canoneos.com/rebelti/flash/rebelti_f.html Well, in the Pop Photo review of the MZ-S, they did explicitly *recommend* that all other manufacturers immediately copy the tilted top plate design. Of course, the Rebel Ti is loaded with head-turning Canon style! BTW: This non-flash URL worked better for me: http://www.canoneos.com/rebelti/html/index.html -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: SMC Pentax K-Mount Extreme Telephoto Prime Lens Poll
A*1200/f8 EDIF FA*400/f5.6 EDIF F*300/f4.5 EDIF --
Re: Pentax at Photokina (mostly gone OT)
Beware not to confuse digital with electronical or mechanical. My MX is mechanical, an MZ-S is electronical, but none of them are digital. I guess a 100% digital automobile for instance would have a driving software running on and replacing the usual tasks of the driver (turning, accelerating, braking...), while connecting to an online database to get appropriate road and GPS info. While in modern cars some parts may be digital (GPS assistance), most of the remaining parts are mechanical (engines) and/or electronical (braking or turning assistance). While mechanical/electronical machines reduces our needs of pure human work (like in industry or farming) digital avoids us to think and to take decisions. Therefore I think a huge difference is to be stated between those terms. And those against digital maybe the proud defenders of mechanical and electronical machines ! If washing machines were to become digital, loaded with a software that would choose what water temperature to select depending on the type of clothes you put in, won't you prefer selecting the appropriate program by yourself ? just my 2.54 euro cents on the topic... I guess we should give up automobiles, farm machinery, assembly lines and all automation so we can go back to carving horse carts out of wood. Alan Chan wrote: I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :(
Re: 50th Anniversary
Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When exactly is the 50th Anniversary? Is there a month/date that any even is likely to happen? They are running out of time to do anything this year... Also, let us hope they will bring out the new products for the 50th Anniversary of the Asahiflex, not the 50th Anniversary of the first Pentax (2007)!! Got some conflicting information floating around but... According to http://212.187.14.19/history.htm (which got its info from Fred Sherfy, author of the book Asahiflex and the Pre-1959 Asahi Pentax cameras, a guide to identification and collection), the production of the Asahiflex I began in 1951 and AOC released the Asahiflex IA in May 1953. In A brief history of the Asahi Optical Corporation (http://digilander.libero.it/aohc/selart16e.htm), it says ...in late 1951, a prototype 35mm single lens reflex camera was ready...After further modifications and refinements, the new camera, called the Asahiflex was put on sale on the Japanese home market in May 1952 I had read elsewhere (but I don't remember where) that the production lines for the first Asahiflex began rolling in February, 1952 and the cameras came on the market at shortly after that (this would mesh with the May 1952 date given above for the cameras hitting the home market). The Unofficial Pentax Collector's Starter Page (http://www.concentric.net/~sherfy/special1.html) says The Spotmatic Series is a fine line of cameras that generally spans the time period of 1963 to 1975, which would make 2003 the 40th anniversary of that particular introduction. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: Others with NO interest in digital?
Robert Soames Wetmore wrote: Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else on this list who has absolutely zero interest in digital cameras (except perhaps as a curiosity), has no intention of ever converting from film, etc., etc.? At the moment, I'm not trying to argue with those in favor of digital, I'm just wondering if I am more-or-less completely alone in wishing to stay with film for the rest of my life. You are not alone. I expect to find the occasional, utilitarial use for a digital camera, but I do not burn for a DSLR. I've got 'way too much to learn about film and probably not nearly enough years left to do it in. Maybe there are the seeds of a new brotherhood here? ;-) Regards, Stephen
Analog digital TTL flashes in a chain
Can I use a 400FTZ digital flash on a SF1 body and a 280T analog flash connected to the 400 with a 5P cord and the Off-camera adapter, and have this kit work in TTL mode? --
RE: goin' to the chapel...
Congratulations, Amita, and my best wishes to you and your betrothed. Thanks! Where's the wedding going to be? On Long Island's North Fork, in an old Presybterian church. Very photogenic. ;) And the honeymoon? In the Finger Lakes of upstate NY, two weeks after the wedding. And what type of system will the wedding photog be using? Bronica, with both bw and color film. My maid of honor will use a Pentax to take pix of the girls as we're getting ready. I will also have both my Pentax bodies, my Rollei PS, and the Optio during the weekend. I'll have a drink for you on the weekend (I'll be having a drink anyway, so I might as well toast one for you... g). Haha...thanks! :)
RE: goin' to the chapel...
If only...the church doesn't allow photos during the ceremony. :P I have this irresistible image of a wedding of photographers where most of the guests are also photographers. When something pivotal happens, 257 flashes go off and the entire church is blinded.
RE: Others with NO interest in digital?
Me :) Lukasz
Re: OT - Lost Negative
Crumpled up under the couch. At 09:26 PM 10/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: RRRGGHH!! Last week I got an enlargement done on a piece of crap photo that I took back in the spring. Someone actually liked it (I didn't), and asked me to do a 5x7 for them, which I did. Now I've gone and lost it. Unfortunately the envelope with the print in it also has the negs for that roll in it. I've been ripping my apartment apart for two hours now looking for it (I only live in a bachelor, for gawd's sake!). So my question is: when you guys lose negatives, where do you usually find them? thanks, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system?
It might make sense if it hadn't been out of production for so long. For the retooling costs Pentax would probably be better off with an entirely new design. Although it would be a nice touch to make the lens mount backward compatible. At 01:21 AM 10/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: The news of Olympus and their new Digital interchangeable lens reflex system got me thinking on why pentax could not use the old Auto 110 system (complete system with zoom lenses etc,) and upgrade it to include AF, and more importantly: Digital. Sensor size whould not be an issue, Batteries could be dealt with through the add on grip/motor, and it would be in line with Pentax philosophy of having small/light equipment... ...just a thought..not sure if it has been discussed before, apologies if it has... Michele __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
Hey, that's just not fair or nice. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR any serious photographer who is not actively using a digital camera and learning the workflow necessary to produce as good work as possible within the limitations of current technology is just asking to be marginalized, just as large format photography is.
RE: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
Nor is it true. tv -Original Message- From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR Hey, that's just not fair or nice. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR any serious photographer who is not actively using a digital camera and learning the workflow necessary to produce as good work as possible within the limitations of current technology is just asking to be marginalized, just as large format photography is.
Re: Others with NO interest in digital?
I'm torn on the issue. I have my cheap Pentax Optio 230, but it's really just a toy. Anything remotely serious and I go to the MZ-S. If DSLRs come out in a huge way, I don't know if I'd bite or not. I'd say no, unless buying film and having it processed becomes more difficult, THEN I would look at digital. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Robert Soames Wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Others with NO interest in digital? Hello- Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else on this list who has absolutely zero interest in digital cameras (except perhaps as a curiosity), has no intention of ever converting from film, etc., etc.? At the moment, I'm not trying to argue with those in favor of digital, I'm just wondering if I am more-or-less completely alone in wishing to stay with film for the rest of my life. RSW _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: Rebel Ti starts to copy MZ-S
Ah ye, camera as fashion accessory. At 11:15 AM 10/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: Robert Soames Wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess whose latest slr has a tilted top plate? Hard to keep a good idea down, I guess. http://www.canoneos.com/rebelti/flash/rebelti_f.html Well, in the Pop Photo review of the MZ-S, they did explicitly *recommend* that all other manufacturers immediately copy the tilted top plate design. Of course, the Rebel Ti is loaded with head-turning Canon style! BTW: This non-flash URL worked better for me: http://www.canoneos.com/rebelti/html/index.html -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: SMC Pentax K-Mount EXTREME Telephoto Prime Lens Poll
A* 300 2.8 FA* 300 f4 FA* 400 F2.8 Thanks Vic
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
What's wrong with being marginalized Vic If you're not shooting for profit which, I'm guessing includes 90 per cent of the people here, who cares. In a message dated 10/3/02 11:53:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: any serious photographer who is not actively using a digital camera and learning the workflow necessary to produce as good work as possible within the limitations of current technology is just asking to be marginalized, just as large format photography is.
Re: Others with NO interest in digital?
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Robert Soames Wetmore wrote: Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else on this list who has absolutely zero interest in digital cameras (except perhaps as a curiosity), has no intention of ever converting from film, etc., etc.? Never say never, however, I agree with you. I can't afford a digital SLR and have no reason to own one, nor do I foresee a day in the future where I'll need to own one. However, I won't complain about people discussing it, if it makes them happy.. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
TPDML?
Are we still doing the Henry's thing this sunday or have the plans changed again, I want my poster :-) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
OT: World's funniest joke
Two hunters are out in the woods when one of them collapses. He doesn't seem to be breathing and his eyes are glazed. The other guy takes out his phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps: My friend is dead! What can I do? The operator says: Calm down, I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead. There is a silence, then a gunshot is heard. Back on the phone, the guy says: OK, now what?
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's wrong with being marginalized Vic If you're not shooting for profit which, I'm guessing includes 90 per cent of the people here, who cares. all your costs will go up, film, processing, etc. the reason it is cheap now is because there are so many people using it. Kodachrome 25 went away and not because it no longer good enough, but it also was a hassle to process. Herb...
Re: OT - Lost Negative
Still in your coat, or perhaps in your car? That's why you couldn't find it in your appertment. On Thursday 03 October 2002 02:58, frank theriault wrote: Hi, Bob, If I had an enlarger, that's where I'd look g. Actually, I had the print done at a lab (that's why the negs are in the envelope with the print). I know I brought the envelope back home. Problem is, last weekend, I cleaned up my apartment, because I had visitors. That's what comes of cleaning up. I never know where things are afterwards. regards, frank Bob Rapp wrote: Being near perfect, myself, I would look for it in the negative stage of your enlarger! -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)
RE: Regards to why i went digital etc
I like the E-10. It's heavy but handles well. I use it for scientific work (fractal patterns) but it is also used to take pictures for the alumni magazine. Our communtications office actually has an E-20, which they use contstantly. If you can live with a fixed, 40 -160 zoom, it's a good camera and, at least from our point of view, produce good images up to 8x10. (Note that the e_10 is 4.2 MP and the E-20 is 5 MP. The handling is identical, although the E-20 has faster processing). If 4 mp is enough, the E-10 is a good deal at $1100 USD. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: World's funniest joke
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Two hunters are out in the woods when one of them collapses. He doesn't seem to be breathing and his eyes are glazed. The other guy takes out his phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps: My friend is dead! What can I do? The operator says: Calm down, I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead. There is a silence, then a gunshot is heard. Back on the phone, the guy says: OK, now what? Beg to differ on world's funniest joke, however, it may be in the running for one of the pinicles of humour. However, the best joke, ever: Q: What'd the farmer say when he couldn't find his tractor? A: Where the hell's my tractor? (Admit it, you laughed! Unless you're female, for who this joke is strangely unfunny, its a mystery) (insert OT rants here) And now, the ontopic version: Q: What'd the photographer say when he couldn't find his DSLR? A: Nothing, he shoots Pentax. -g. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
RE: Others with NO interest in digital?
Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else on this list who has absolutely zero interest in digital cameras (except perhaps as a curiosity), has no intention of ever converting from film, etc., etc.? At the moment, I'm not trying to argue with those in favor of digital, I'm just wondering if I am more-or-less completely alone in wishing to stay with film for the rest of my life. Hi Robert, Having not that long ago acquired another LX and a 67, you could say I am really film committed. I don't have a problem with waiting for film to be developed, and I get a 'digital' CD back with most of my films anyway - the best of both worlds. I am very interested in how people are getting on with digital, however, as many others here, regret no Pentax DSLR (yet!). Malcolm
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and haveforsaken a Pentax DSLR
One fear I have (as an amateur) is that film/processing will become much more expensive but DSLR's will still be $2000. The problem for the camera companies to give digital to those whose working system is a ZX-5n and 4-5 lenses. They probably won't drop $2K on a DSLR but won't want a PS. In my happier moments I believe that this group might be big enough, along with the disposable camera folks, to keep film going as a reasonable price. I could easily believe a scenario, however, where most pros and consumers abandoning film. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am I going mad?
I'll tell you know - the answer's probably. I've not been getting any digests for the last two days. I switched one of my e-mail accounts to individual mails and that works okay. Now, I'm just seeing if I can post from it. I un-subbed and re-subbed my other address, which seemed to work, but I still don't get any digests. I tried posting from that address and the only response was from Max Mcrae's out-of-office manager - I didn't get the message through on the address which is receiving individual mails! Curiouser and curiouser Alice
RE: RE: Others with NO interest in digital?
I work for a photography studio in Kansas and this is the way we do all of our weddings. We have wedding packages that provide the customer with a variety of options that include, among other things, a specified amount of our time (i.e. wedding coverage) and two proof books with negatives. They are basically paying us for our time and the end product. What they do with it afterward is their business. We have been paid before we ever expose the first frame. No hassle. We don't have to track negatives for years, or handle reprint orders, or be pigeonholed into shooting certain album shots. We have more freedom to create an artistic representation of their day and our clients are free to arrange and present the images in a way that pleases them. We probably don't make as much money as we would if we did the reprints and albums. But our customers are very happy and we have less stress and less work, more time to ourselves and more creative freedom. And if you saw our prices you would think we are anything but Budget Wedding Photography. In fact our clientele seems to be becoming more discriminating each year.. Glen -Original Message- From: gfen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: Others with NO interest in digital? On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Mark Roberts wrote: Would you mind revealing what kind of rate you charge on an hourly basis? (Feel free to answer by private email if you don't want to broadcast it, or tell me to piss of if it's none of my business! Perhaps I should rephrase it as What should *I* charge per hour, not having your experience?) You know, I'd love to hear this, as well.. I don't pretend, want, or desire to do this for a living, but people keep asking me, and if that's going to be the case, I'm going to make them pay. Especially in a way that I'm invisioning, which is to take some pictures, then hand them some film, and walk away. Budget wedding photog. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
Fwd: Re: TPDML(2)
anytime untill 3. pm is fine with me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Gents:I still have to video my daughter on Sunday morning but free in the afternoon.My friend at Daymen gave me tw0 tickets for the image fair at the international show,ifthat is the one you are referring to Brendan.I can meet you guys there and bring the posters.Let me know times etc PS can you cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] until i can get resubscribed on thataddy.I cannt seem to get subscribed and no mail on that service for 2 days.Dave -Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals--0-744329903-1033674726=:20214Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciianytime untill 3. pm is fine with me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Gents:I still have to video my daughter on Sunday morning but free in the afternoon.My friend at Daymen gave me tw0 tickets for the image fair at the international show,ifthat is the one you are referring to Brendan.I can meet you guys there and bring the posters.Let me know times etc PS can you cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] until i can get resubscribed on thataddy.I cannt seem to get subscribed and no mail on that service for 2 days.Dave Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals--0-744329903-1033674726=:20214-- __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re[2]: Others with NO interest in digital?
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we will start to see this kind of thing more and more. As soon as an image has been digitized in a quality manner, you really have no control anymore (aside from the ethics of the client). You are better off getting paid for your skills and expertise rather than getting screwed on the price of use of the image later. It does mean that it is important to be creating lots of images. what makes you think you had any control before? the only difference was that duplication always lost some quality in each generation before so after a while, it wasn't worth duplicating. now it won't and duplications are just as good as the original. witness CDs and music. Herb
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As the title suggests:) Dave
Re: Am I going mad?
There is a problem with the digest, and it's being addressed. Thanks, Doug At 02:13 PM 10/3/02 -0400, you wrote: I'll tell you know - the answer's probably. I've not been getting any digests for the last two days. I switched one of my e-mail accounts to individual mails and that works okay. Now, I'm just seeing if I can post from it. I un-subbed and re-subbed my other address, which seemed to work, but I still don't get any digests. I tried posting from that address and the only response was from Max Mcrae's out-of-office manager - I didn't get the message through on the address which is receiving individual mails! Curiouser and curiouser Alice
Re: Re[2]: Others with NO interest in digital?
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have seen the quality of digital HOME prints and to me they are substandard, digital prints done on frontier machines also do not impress me. 1) a Epson 820 printer produces superb results when set up correctly. 2) people who print are in the minority unless they are selling. Herb...
Testing my canoe mail account for the list
As the title suggests:) Dave
RE: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system?
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: They have none of the old tooling, because the camera has been out of production for years. Just to do an identical film camera would cost just as much as to do a new camera - no cost savings. Hmmm, I smell some trolling here, but I'll bite, just 'cause I'm a fun guy. ;-) Do you know with ~certainty~ that Pentax doesn't have the tooling? (By tooling, I mean injection molds for the plastic, diecasting molds for metal parts, jigs for the formed metal parts, etc., etc.) They might have dumped it years ago, especially if it had worn out. Or it might be sitting in boxes, perched on several pallets, in the middle of a warehouse somewhere. That does happen. Ask me about some of ~my~ company's old tooling If the tooling still existed and was still in reasonably good shape, Pentax (or an interested third party) could start cranking out Auto 110s if they believed it made business sense. Remember the Mingca? (Chinese K1000 knock-off, made using the old worn K1000 tooling, IIRC.) Nothing personal and just a general observation: I don't think too many people here have the slightest idea of how real products are designed, developed, manufactured, supported, marketed or what any of this costs. Sounds like a ~guess~ rather than an observation. And probably a very ~good~ guess that there aren't too many on the list who have a full appreciation for the whole process, the costs, etc. I'd venture to say, though, that there are perhaps more folks on the list than you might think, who have a very good appreciation for the process of product design, development, manufacturing, marketing, support, and cost. (Gads, I'm quite sure I can't be the only one!) In the inimitable words of our good friend Peter from across the Big Pond, Toodle Pip! ;-) Bill Peifer Rochester, NY
Re: OT - Lost Negative
In the dog. No really, if I lose something it's because I've put it in a safe place so I won't lose it Wendy At 09:26 PM 10/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: RRRGGHH!! Last week I got an enlargement done on a piece of crap photo that I took back in the spring. Someone actually liked it (I didn't), and asked me to do a 5x7 for them, which I did. Now I've gone and lost it. Unfortunately the envelope with the print in it also has the negs for that roll in it. I've been ripping my apartment apart for two hours now looking for it (I only live in a bachelor, for gawd's sake!). So my question is: when you guys lose negatives, where do you usually find them? thanks, frank
Re: OT: World's funniest joke (NOT) but a photo related one..
This may not be _THE_ funniest - more in the painful but true line. (found by a friend of mine in a magazine.) Photographer visiting friends for a dinner party brings a portfolio of his latest work to show. The host oohs and aahs and says something like These are wonderful photos, you must have a very good camera! After dinner, the photographer says to the host who prepared the meal, That was a delicious dinner - you must have very good pots! annsan
RE: test
I can, but I sure hope next time you have something more interesting than that ;))) Lukasz -Original Message- From: Francis Alviar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:47 PM To: Pentax Discuss List Subject: test Hello, Can anyone hear me? This is just a test. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
RE: Testing my canoe mail account for the list
Errr... one time wasn't enough? :) ukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Testing my canoe mail account for the list As the title suggests:) Dave
Re: OT: World's funniest joke (NOT) but a photo related one..
If anyone had *really* posted the world's funniest joke we'd all be dead now. Unless they posted it in German, of course! (All through the winter of '43 we had translators working, in joke-proof conditions, to try and produce a German version of the joke. They worked on one word each for greater safety. One of them saw two words of the joke and spent several weeks in hospital. But apart from that things went pretty quickly, and we soon had the joke by January, in a form which our troops couldn't understand but which the Germans could.) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: List problems?
There is a digest issue that's being worked on. thanks, Doug At 12:33 PM 10/3/02 +0200, you wrote: For Doug the list guy; several people have problems with their normal subscriptions. Is there any info we can pass on? Best, Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:05:19 +0100 Hi Jostein, Is it me or is the PDML down yet again? I'm getting no digests, so I subbed to the normal list and did a test, which I saw, so resubbed to digest, but nothing yet. Cotty
Re: Others with NO interest in digital?
Bruce Dayton wrote: I have been operating under that very perception more recently. Basically I am finding that with the advent of digital reproduction (scanning, web views, printing, etc) that people are no longer placing any value in the image itself. Yes, I too have seen this coming. I have found that often these manager-types are more prone to using the company funds to purchase digicams printers and then become instant do-it- yourselfers. Needless to say the end result is usually some marginal quality inkjet print taken w/ some digi-zoom replete w/ converging-lined buildings and grainy (extrapolation type) printouts. They then take this up to the local Kinko's-type outfit and have expensive flyers made up. But they pat themselves on the back for all the money they saved by not hiring the project out to someone like me who has the knowledge, skills equipment to do a quality job. The one thing that has been working for me is to charge for my working time. I am leaning toward this approach, as well as just making all sales any/all usage and being done w/ it. They seem to think they have bought everything anyway, so up the price a bit and let 'em run w/ an exceptional bargain (which seems all they are interested in). The profit margin will still be good and hassles much fewer. I suspect that some of the art of photography will become more obscure as time passes. People's quality standards are continuing to drop as cost goes up. Again, this is true. Folks are becoming used to much lower image quality in general. My next foray may be some sort of portrait-oriented one primarily, rather than the commercial ad field. I also learned that perhaps 80% of the concerns here really have no budget for current ad materials. Most run for many years w/ the same material - after all the beach draws folks anyway so all they feel they need is bare minimum materials. Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Others with NO interest in digital?
If I did not work for a daily newspaper, I would not currently have any interest in digital. If it were a weekly I'd stick with film for a long time to come. -- Nick Wright http://www.wrightfoto.com/
Re: Rebel Ti starts to copy MZ-S
On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 09:50 AM, Robert Soames Wetmore wrote: Wow, that looks truly awful and gimmicky. It should sell extremely well. RSW Wouldn't be surprised if it sold more than all of Pentax's 35mm slrs together. :-) I just have to think that anything that is good for the 35mm slr market in general is good for Pentax, too. Once you have people looking at buying to a new product category, some are going to want to see what their options are. If only Pentax would try a little harder to get bodies and lenses on the shelves of retailers, they could probably pick up more market share just on store feel alone. You can see a look of semi-confusion on the faces of Rebel users when they first pick up a Pentax (at least the ZX-5n). And you can tell it's something like, Hey, this feels different than I thought it was going to. Followed by, Hey, how come my camera feels sort of cheap? Dan Scott
Re[3]: Others with NO interest in digital?
Herb, All the more reason to charge for your skills and time upfront. I think the ease of duplication has caused the average person to truly devalue the item. But the ability of the client to create the original is still beyond them so that is what you can charge for. Placing a value on something as intangible as an image is hard for them to swallow. But placing a value on your time and learning/experience is quite easy for them to come to grips with. For those who want to know, I charge between $50 and $100 per hour. It sometimes depends on circumstances, who the client is, etc. I have never had anyone balk at the cost. It is in the same ballpark as a skilled, independent contractor in this area. By working this way, the client knows pretty close to what the cost will be upfront, and knows that they can do with the images as they please with good conscience and no subsequent expenses from the photographer. To date, I have retained the negatives - partly because I want my work represented properly (good lab) and the client almost always goes for the cheapest possible solution (cheap, crappy lab) and makes me look less skilled. Usually along with my proofs I pick a small number of 8X10's (5-10) that I also have blown up and let them see them. This gives a good representation of the quality of work and lab. I quote them the cost of 8X10's and I have only had 1 case where they didn't want them also. In that one case, they kept 9 out of 10. So they really know what my work looks like and what a crappy lab will do for them. I'm sure I'll learn and adapt more as I go. I can say, that Medium Format has been quite major in the customer's willingness to pay. Both in legitimizing me as a working professional (many hobbyists use 35mm, but very few use MF) and in the quality of the prints. I hate to say it, but you can really see the difference between 35mm and MF even at 8X10 - not to mention the ability to crop (clients ask for it). Sorry for the ramble. Bruce Thursday, October 3, 2002, 12:56:01 PM, you wrote: HC Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we will start to see this kind of thing more and more. As HC soon as an image has been digitized in a quality manner, you really HC have no control anymore (aside from the ethics of the client). You HC are better off getting paid for your skills and expertise rather than HC getting screwed on the price of use of the image later. It does mean HC that it is important to be creating lots of images. HC what makes you think you had any control before? the only difference was HC that duplication always lost some quality in each generation before so HC after a while, it wasn't worth duplicating. now it won't and duplications HC are just as good as the original. witness CDs and music. HC Herb
Re: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system?
Of course not! Is this the EBDML? Economics and Business Distribution Mailing List. That doesn't mean we're all correct, and it certainly doesn't prevent us from voicing our opinions. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: re: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system? They have none of the old tooling, because the camera has been out of production for years. Just to do an identical film camera would cost just as much as to do a new camera - no cost savings. Nothing personal and just a general observation: I don't think too many people here have the slightest idea of how real products are designed, developed, manufactured, supported, marketed or what any of this costs. BR From: MPozzi The news of Olympus and their new Digital interchangeable lens reflex system got me thinking on why pentax could not use the old Auto 110 system (complete system with zoom lenses etc,) and upgrade it to include AF, and more importantly: Digital.
Re: Pentax at Photokina (mostly gone OT)
On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While mechanical/electronical machines reduces our needs of pure human work (like in industry or farming) digital avoids us to think and to take decisions. Therefore I think a huge difference is to be stated between those terms. And those against digital maybe the proud defenders of mechanical and electronical machines ! If washing machines were to become digital, loaded with a software that would choose what water temperature to select depending on the type of clothes you put in, won't you prefer selecting the appropriate program by yourself ? just my 2.54 euro cents on the topic... Personally, I'm looking forward to the long rumored but as yet unseen Pentax DWM (Digital Washing Machine). I just want to pile all the clothes I own into it and let the DWM use its 6 segment matrix metering and its next-gen *USM to optimize the temperature, detergents, and level of agitation necessary to ensure my skivies come out exactly 18% gray. It's supposed to be backwardly compatible with all my previous model clothing, too. Dan ScottI'll see your two and raise you two. (*USM: Ultra-Sonic-Mixing)
Re: OT: World's funniest joke (NOT) but a photo related one..
Hit and run! Photographer visiting friends for a dinner party brings a portfolio of his latest work to show. The host oohs and aahs and says something like These are wonderful photos, you must have a very good camera! After dinner, the photographer says to the host who prepared the meal, That was a delicious dinner - you must have very good pots! annsan --
No Digest version right now; Hi from Cotty.
Hi gang, I understand the Digest version of the list has an upset stomach at the moment and Doug is ramming Alca-Seltzer into a server or something. Consequently I have not received any Digests for a couple a days. This is my choice, and I am not complaining - after all it *is* an email list :-) Just to say hi, and I'm sorry if you responded to a recent thread of mine about going digital and such like, and I haven't responded. I just read a few on the web archive, and thanks for all the best wishes. Hopefully back soon, Cheers, Cotty Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: OT - Lost Negative
Hi, Wendy, EXACTLY!! I remember coming home with the envelope, and putting it on top of a pile of laundry waiting to be sorted. A day or two later, I sorted the laundry, but before doing so, I put the envelope in a safe place. I just don't remember what the safe place is... vbg wendy beard wrote: In the dog. No really, if I lose something it's because I've put it in a safe place so I won't lose it -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT - Lost Negative
Hi, Cory, Good plan! Aaron has one for sale on consignment, so I should purchase that one. I bet that's where the neg is... g -frank CBWaters wrote: You must purchase an enlarger. When it arrives, look in the box and you WILL find your negative. probably... Cory Waters -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT - Lost Negative
All good ideas. Like the truth, they're out there somewhere... -frank Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote: The last place I look. Har! Seriously, check your car (trunk, glove compartment, under the seats) and/or your bike saddle bags (if you have them). Rifling through the garbage, the recycling bin, and the document shredder basket (if you have one) might be useful. And don't forget to pull the drawers out of your desks, dressers, cabinets, etc., since things can fall down behind the drawers. I nearly lost $200 worth of hockey tickets that way one time. Good luck! -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Questions was Re: Why I am going digital, and have forsaken a Pentax DSLR
Rob Studdert wrote: On 2 Oct 2002 at 23:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, Pentax makes a digital camera for you to stick your lenses on. Great. Go out and shoot with them. It'll be great for the first week and then you'll realize the quality isn't really there. I prefer the digital work-flow regardless of the media that I'm shooting, I consider scanning film to be both tedious and a waste of my time let alone sloppy WRT colour control. Image files derived from a film source are not a direct substitute for a first generation digital image file. I sort of agree with Vic and with Rob.. I don't _need_ a digital camera. However, in my case, where I don't do the darkroom thing, I have to scan all my images I'm interested in. A 4+MP digital camera would probably produce better results than my 2400DPI Photosmart and save me the scanning time as well. There are cameras in this resolution realm, but they don't have the macro flexibility that I require -- I don't just want to do macro, I want to do macro at different focal lengths for different effects and be able to do 7X macro photography, both of which require switching lenses (even in the 35mm SLR equipment). I looked at the cost of the DSLRs, which could allow me to do this, and they are comperable to my buying a new 4000DPI film scanner, which will simply blow them away resolution-wise. This, therefore, is my solution to staying with Pentax equipment, which I love, for the moment. When DSLRs surpass such 24MP scans, I'll reconsider switching (unfortunately, likely to another brand since Pentax just isn't a photographic innovator anymore). So, while I can sympathize with Rob, I agree with Vic, that digital isn't always the right answer.. yet. However, a lot depends on one's needs. later, patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Wildlife photographer
Hi, an interview here with one of the entrants in this year's BBC Wildlife Photographer of the Year competition: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2276648.stm Bob
Re: Why not use the Auto110 line to make a digital system?
I have an auto 110. It's an interesting little camera that can be quite amusing. But in terms of build quality, it's a piece of crap -- at least in comparison to other Pentax cameras I own. Ditto, the lenses. You wouldn't want a digital version of this toy. Paul Stenquist MPozzi wrote: I certainly hope you're nt saying I'm old for being 32 and remembering the Auto 110! ;-) Perhaps you're right about the tooling--whenn did they stop producing it? did they stop producing it? oh welljust chipping in my bit to get Pentax to be a bit more 'digital'. I too was a bit disappointed in the lack of product presentation. Digital, upgraded lenses, although not for everyone's needs, shows a company able to cater to the needs to photograpers, as a group... Ciao __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: Rebel Ti starts to copy MZ-S
On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 09:50 AM, Robert Soames Wetmore wrote: Wow, that looks truly awful and gimmicky. It should sell extremely well. RSW For some reason, this camera makes me think that it won't be long before Canon is running TV ads with Britney Spears holding a Rebel Ti. There are a lot of 10-12yr old girls who havn't gotten their parents to buy them a SLR yet. ;- - Chris -- Chris Murray /\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN http://apeman.org/ XAGAINST HTML MAIL Cell: 604.861.8307 / \/
RE: OT - Lost Negative
Frank wrote: All good ideas. Like the truth, they're out there somewhere... -frank The obvious answer is to look in the last place you would look..except this is now the first place you have looked, so you look in the last place you would . Malcolm
Re: Others with NO interest in digital?
Hi, Robert, I have no interest in digital photography right now, nor can I see myself taking the plunge anytime soon. I must admit that if the costs come down, and Pentax or someone else comes out with a k-mount body, I'd consider it. But, I do love film, and I'm still (after 30 years) learning what I can and can't do with it. I'd like to get a dark room going, and learn what I can and can't do with that. I've got a long way to go before I've completely explored bw film, let alone what digital can do. So, even if I do eventually go digital someday, I can't see it replacing film for me, only supplementing it. I must admit that I do enjoy the digital meanderings of this list, along with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding Pentax' foot-dragging on their DSLR. But for me, it's just interesting reading at this point. As I've said on this list before, I think film has a long life ahead of it yet, if somewhat diminished due to digital inroads. Let me congratulate you on starting a great thread. It's fun to see all of us quiet (of late) non-digitalians suddenly rearing our heads and roaring! regards, frank Robert Soames Wetmore wrote: Hello- Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else on this list who has absolutely zero interest in digital cameras (except perhaps as a curiosity), has no intention of ever converting from film, etc., etc.? -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: TPDML?
I didn't know we were doing anything at Henry's on Sunday. Obviously not the downtown one, which is closed. So, Sundays are usually bad for Dave C-S. Saturday is bad for Brendan. Haven't heard from Dave B. or Jeff (is he still away? I think so...). You guys wanna do tomorrow night, lemme know where and when. My weekend is free all except Saturday night (and maybe late afternoon). -frank Brendan wrote: I'm at work friday, saturday I have another damned wedding, so lets see what everyone else says --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was considering going Friday evening.. don't know about anyone else :) Dave Original Message: - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:24:59 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TPDML? Are we still doing the Henry's thing this sunday or have the plans changed again, I want my poster :-) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: World's funniest joke (NOT) but a photo related one..
Hi, Mark, Couldn't resist the Python reference, eh? I thought of that sketch as well, as I read Collin's subject line. Python rules!! g -frank Mark Roberts wrote: If anyone had *really* posted the world's funniest joke we'd all be dead now. Unless they posted it in German, of course! (All through the winter of '43 we had translators working, in joke-proof conditions, to try and produce a German version of the joke. They worked on one word each for greater safety. One of them saw two words of the joke and spent several weeks in hospital. But apart from that things went pretty quickly, and we soon had the joke by January, in a form which our troops couldn't understand but which the Germans could.) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: OT: World's funniest joke (NOT) but a photo related one..
I prefer the golfer's version of this joke: This duffer is consoling his friend on the recent loss of his wife. How did it happen? We were playing golf together, like we do every Tuesday, and she had a heart attack right on the fourth green. Gosh, that must have been really terrible. Sure was! All afternoon it was: hit the ball, drag Ethyl, hit the ball, drag Ethyl
Re: Fwd: Re: TPDML(2)
Sunday? I'm in. Afternoon? That's fine. Brendan has to leave at 3? We'll start having fun then. g Seriously, that works for me. Where is it? -frank Brendan wrote: anytime untill 3. pm is fine with me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Gents:I still have to video my daughter on Sunday morning but free in the afternoon.My friend at Daymen gave me tw0 tickets for the image fair at the international show,ifthat is the one you are referring to Brendan.I can meet you guys there and bring the posters.Let me know times etc PS can you cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] until i can get resubscribed on thataddy.I cannt seem to get subscribed and no mail on that service for 2 days.Dave -Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals--0-744329903-1033674726=:20214Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciianytime untill 3. pm is fine with me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Gents:I still have to video my daughter on Sunday morning but free in the afternoon.My friend at Daymen gave me tw0 tickets for the image fair at the international show,ifthat is the one you are referring to Brendan.I can meet you guys there and bring the posters.Let me know times etc PS can you cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] until i can get resubscribed on thataddy.I cannt seem to get subscribed and no mail on that service for 2 days.Dave Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals--0-744329903-1033674726=:20214-- __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
20-35mm f4.0
Hi All, Does anyone have any comments or observations about the Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0 lens? I am thinking about replacing my Tokina AF193 19-35mm f3.5-4.5, and would like to use SMC glass if possible. Is the 20-35mm FA worth the money? Or does anyone think there is a better option? Cheers Shaun Canning PhD Student Department of Archaeology School of European and Historical Studies La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086. Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heading north, PDML get togethers????
Jewish holidays are already over this year. They came early. BH will be open. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have the weirdest luck.. whenever I go into the city, its always some holiday they're closed for. I'm beginning to think its a conspiracy.
OT: Joke
Y'know, I found the article about the world's funniest joke, and I think it is funnier than the joke itself. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/03/joke.funniest/index.html Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Others with NO interest in digital?
- Original Message - From: Michael Yehle Subject: Re: Others with NO interest in digital? I like knowing that, other than the meter, my k1000 is unaffected by temps less than 0ºf I tested a K1000 in below -40ºC. It did surprisingly well, lasting nearly an hour. The shutter actually froze open. William Robb
