Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Strange, when I started out you gave me some useful advice. There are all kinds of ways to develop a website from hand coded, to Macromedia Dreamweaver and its ilk. I have basically stuck to hand coded, and simple. You can go through my pages and see how I have progressed the meanderings subdomain is the oldest code, then the journal, then the mainsite, graywolfphoto, and finally the presscamera site is the most recent (be warned that there are some things on it that are not finished, but were thrown up to get some content online). The thing about hand code is that it is the most time consuming way to set up a site, but the easiest to maintain because you know what you did, and it is readable. My site is about as basic in design as you can get and still show photographs. All of that takes up about 21MB, though a big chunk of that is the Press Camera Forum database which needs some customizing real soon now. My hosting service, Detail Hosting, provides 250MB for $5.95 a month. They provide all the services needed to run a business site on their servers. They have been down 24 hours twice that I know of since I started with them in September last year, both times because of denial of service attacks. Mine is not a high traffic site. Together the 4 websites together gets about 1700 visits a month (13,000 hits). There is code out there for free to do about anything you might want to do. The most useful to you will probably be automatic thumbnail generation and presentation software. You will probably want a database of your photos, and an online sales service (shopping cart secure payment software) also. One of the most useful tools for maintaining a site is grep. Grep is a Unix utility (versions for windows are available), and it's free, that allows you to do a search and replace across a bunch of files. For example if you change your email address you can use grep to do a search and replace on every page on your website in one operation. Hope this answers a few of your questions. -- Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi ... My ISP allows me a fair amount of free space, but it's not enough for a really nice web site. So, being somewhat of a dummy here, what should I look for from an ISP in setting up a site, and what things should I be thinking about including. Naturally, it's all about photos, presenting them well, using the site as a way to present pics to some markets, and possible to sell from. What type of design features should I consider, and why? How about the underlying code? It's gotta be compatible with as many browsers as possible, fast loading, etc. Thoughts here? Who's doing this? Suggestions eagerly anticipated. shel -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Dr E D F Williams wrote: 3) Make sure you can find and replace across multiple files before you start, I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Find and replace? but you can find Java applets that make the job much easier all over the web. Java applets? What are they and why would I want them? shel
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Hi Bill ... William Robb wrote: First thing, check with your isp and see if they will rent you some extra space. I can get more space from them ... Try to make all the links relative to the root directory, rather than server specific. This makes it much easier to write, and makes it portable in the event you change servers at some point. I think that's what I've been doing with the various pages I've put up over the years. Keep the coding as simple as possible, avoid scripts, and if you are not sure about browser compatibility, avoid all the fancy stuff. I recall a while back you mentioned that a lot of your family/ correspondees were using older browsers on slow connections. If this is still the case, avoid frames, CSS, javascript or any of the fancy Flash shite that is all the rage right now. I like simple ... it's all I know how to write at this point. Hate frames, but it's been suggested that CSS (Cascading Style Sheets?) is a good way to write code. I do want to avoid Flash at all costs God, do I hate that crap, especially on slow machines with dial-up connections. What exactly is javascript? I see it all over the place ... what does it do, what can it do, that makes so many people use it? shel
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Leon Altoff wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:14:47 +0200, Dr E D F Williams wrote: 1) Keep it simple and use a style sheet, I like the idea of style sheets, but Internet Explorer version 6 does not fully support them - specifically you can use style sheets to create frame like pages that aren't actually frames, but IE won't display them correctly. I spent hours trying to find what was wrong with my code before I finally found this bit of information out Well, if IE6 doesn't support 'em, why the hell should I use 'em if the idea is to make the content readily available to as many people as possible. How much space do they offer? You can make a small website easily in 5 MB, 10 can make a good one and 20 can hold a lot. Right now I've got 10mb ... maybe more. I'm not sure if I get 10mb total or 10mb for each email address. However, the setup I now have doesn't allow for a domain name, which seems like an important consideration. Look around the web and see what you like and then copy it. Later on change it to suit your own style. Yeah, I've a list of sites that I like, but on some of them all the code is not accessible. Seems like it references some code somewhere else that I can't access. If you use frames if can be difficult to reference individual pages. I don't think I want to use frames ... If you use Java script some people will not bother using it. Still not sure what Java script is and what benefit it may offer. Doesn't seem like something I want unless it's needed for some specific function that I'm not aware of. Flash is flashy but not necessary and again a lot of people will not bother with your site. Not at all interested in Flash. My experiences using sites that have it have never been satisfactory. In terms of how much room you have you can look at the sites I have had something to do with. Will do ... I'll let you know what I think ... shel
Re: Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)
Pentax USA has the policy that if they can not put the camera back to factory specs, and sometimes that means they are out of only one part, they will return it as unrepairable. That is a decision made by their lawyers for liability reasons. That does mean that while they will no longer repair a camera they may still have the parts in stock you need to do it yourself. I do agree that charging someone to tell them they won't fix it is pretty unfriendly. I have not heard of Pentax USA doing that except for shipping and handling. And if you called first they would have told you they no longer repair that model, in fact they have a list of all the cameras they no longer repair on their website. -- Peter J. Alling wrote: That's not so bad. I had a local camera shop send an X to a local authorized Pentax repair depot. It needed to have it's hot shoe re-attached. I even supplied all the parts. Other than the missing hot shoe the camera although nicely brassed worked flawlessly. It was returned unrepairable due to lack of parts. Missing the parts I supplied! Their handling included bending the shutter release just enough to keep the meter from turning off and denting the prism housing. For this special treatment I was charged the $20.00 deposit to get the camera returned. On top of this when I complained to the shop owner they refused to take any responsibility or action giving me the phone number of the repair dept. so I could complain directly. I'll not be going back there again and advise all my friends and acquaintances to tear clear. At least the ME Super wasn't any worse when it came back. mason wrote: camera shop and had it promptly returned as a no fix due to unavailability of parts at a cost of AU$50. The simple fact is that it has a dodgy ratchet on the Rob Studdert I think it is very unfair to charge for letting you know that the work cannot be done. Please do not tell me that the technician spent 5 minutes on it and someone has to pay for it. I have met (unfortunately) some people who prey on others by charging them for every second of their lack of professionalism. They charge by the hour and they couldn't care less if it takes them 1h or 5h to work it out. I think you should pay per job. If someone is incompetent enough to spend 4h on a 20min job - IT SHOULD BE THEIR PROBLEM, not a huge bill for the client! (*)o(*) Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
graywolf wrote: Strange, when I started out you gave me some useful advice. That was so long ago, it seems. I'm still writing code in a similar fashion, which seems to be fine, although there are new browsers out there and new compliance standards. So I figure some updating is in order. There are all kinds of ways to develop a website from hand coded, to Macromedia Dreamweaver and its ilk. I have basically stuck to hand coded, and simple. You can go through my pages and see how I have progressed the meanderings subdomain is the oldest code I've seen your setup a couple of times ... There is code out there for free to do about anything you might want to do. The most useful to you will probably be automatic thumbnail generation and presentation software. Not sure exactly what you mean. Can you provide a name or two so I can put the suggestion in perspective? You will probably want a database of your photos, and an online sales service (shopping cart secure payment software) also. One of the most useful tools for maintaining a site is grep. Grep is a Unix utility (versions for windows are available), and it's free, that allows you to do a search and replace across a bunch of files. For example if you change your email address you can use grep to do a search and replace on every page on your website in one operation. Hope this answers a few of your questions. That last part - search and replace - is very helpful. Didn't know what it was when someone else used the term. Grep sounds like it's worth investigating. Tks! shel
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:09:24 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Leon Altoff wrote: I like the idea of style sheets, but Internet Explorer version 6 does not fully support them - specifically you can use style sheets to create frame like pages that aren't actually frames, but IE won't display them correctly. I spent hours trying to find what was wrong with my code before I finally found this bit of information out Well, if IE6 doesn't support 'em, why the hell should I use 'em if the idea is to make the content readily available to as many people as possible. Style sheets are good and MOSTLY supported by IE6. It just doesn't support what I want to do with them. Right now I've got 10mb ... maybe more. I'm not sure if I get 10mb total or 10mb for each email address. However, the setup I now have doesn't allow for a domain name, which seems like an important consideration. You will normally end up paying more for a domain name. It's more involved. though there are ways of doing it - which cost more money of course. Look around the web and see what you like and then copy it. Later on change it to suit your own style. Yeah, I've a list of sites that I like, but on some of them all the code is not accessible. Seems like it references some code somewhere else that I can't access. Style sheets and java scripts are often called files. You can load them by addressing them directly in the address bar. If you use frames if can be difficult to reference individual pages. I don't think I want to use frames ... I like frames for certain uses. It makes navigation easy, but the lack of direct addressing is a pain. If you use Java script some people will not bother using it. Still not sure what Java script is and what benefit it may offer. Doesn't seem like something I want unless it's needed for some specific function that I'm not aware of. You can basically do what ever you like. Leave cookies behind on the user's machine, all sorts of things. this is why a lot of people turn java script off, it can be a security hole. In terms of how much room you have you can look at the sites I have had something to do with. Will do ... I'll let you know what I think ... They are all basic, but they work. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
Re: OT:Agfa paper developer
Is the Agfa partially to blame or is it me and my Viv.:-) We used AGFA (one 1l bottle) when we couldn't get Ilford. Worked OK - no complaints. It looks like yours got exhausted/oxidised. Couldn't tell you how much AGFA can take. By having no air in the bottle you will prolong developers life. Either fill the bottle right up, or (if it's a plastic one) squeeze the air out then cap it. (*)o(*) Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
When you need to change something on several htm pages; a link, or the size of a font in the header it's easier if you can do it all at once rather than have to edit each page one at a time. For example I *always* need to change the size of the font on the top of the htm pages generated by the gallery making software I use, the default that cannot be changed in the program itself, is far too big. If you have fifty or more of them it may take a long time. Java applets are little pieces of Java code that can do many things, for example flash a header or change something. I use one to select the picture displayed at random each time the main page is accessed. I have another that increments the counter each time a page is opened. Every page on my website has a hidden counter -- a bit of Java code on the bottom does the job. The counter statistics (Jelly) tell me who visited the page, when they did and how they got there -- and a lot of other things as well. Aside: It was very interesting to see the Directors of the Cement Company from Hell rushing in with their lawyers to try to find something in the site that they could use to get it shut down. There was nothing there of course because I had been careful. They accessed the pages more than 100 times in the first two days. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See Extra Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 Butters, you can't take Teddy's place. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site Dr E D F Williams wrote: 3) Make sure you can find and replace across multiple files before you start, I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Find and replace? but you can find Java applets that make the job much easier all over the web. Java applets? What are they and why would I want them? shel
Re[2]: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Hello Shel, Friday, March 26, 2004, 11:09:24 AM, you wrote: SB Leon Altoff wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:14:47 +0200, Dr E D F Williams wrote: 1) Keep it simple and use a style sheet, I like the idea of style sheets, but Internet Explorer version 6 does not fully support them - specifically you can use style sheets to create frame like pages that aren't actually frames, but IE won't display them correctly. I spent hours trying to find what was wrong with my code before I finally found this bit of information out SB Well, if IE6 doesn't support 'em, why the hell should I use SB 'em if the idea is to make the content readily available to SB as many people as possible. CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) are a very good idea, to separate the content form the formatting. You just write your HTML plain simple, just headers, paragraphs, links, etc. Then you write CSS (I prefer to keep it in a separate file, but you can put it inside the .html file) and specify how should it look like. All the fancy look, green links, yellow headers, font types and sizes, paragraph alignment spacing, in a word all the layout of the page. The good thing is, if you want to change the layout later, you don't have to touch the content at all. The trick is, as Leon wrote Internet Explorer version 6 does not fully support them. Note here the word fully. You can find various tables on the net about which browser support which CSS tag, but it's best to test it out for yourself. If you find a tag which the browser doesn't support, or you don't like the result, then don't use that tag. Also it is a good idea to test at least with IE and Mozilla. For Mac users, ask Cotty which browser they use:) (I know very little about Macs.) If you need help with CSS or HTML, contact me offlist, I'll do the best I can. Please have a look at these links: The CSS homepage: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ it's rather technical, but don't be scared, you don't have to read the whole thing, just take a look at (you may read it later, if you want to master CSS). CSS primer: http://wendypeck.com/css101.html to make an idea what CSS is all about. CSS tutorial: http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp is a good place to start, with examples. http://www.css-discuss.org/ is a great resource:) SB Still not sure what Java script is and what benefit it may SB offer. Doesn't seem like something I want unless it's SB needed for some specific function that I'm not aware of. Well, if you don't know what it is for, then you really don't need it:) JavaScript is a scripting language developed by Netscape to add interactivity to web documents, such as live clocks, rollover effects, scrollers, form validations, etc. JavaScript differs from most other programming languages in that it is relatively easy to master, even for people who have absolutely no programming experiences whatsoever. I wouldn't call it a 'programming language', after all, it's just scripting:) If you like to keep things simple, I think you don't really need JavaScript. If you are curios, you can find dozens of examples and tutorials on the net. Attila
Re: Pretty Girls and Mighty PDMLers Pictures - Rome Photoshow
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: Hope you'll enjoy having a look at them. Comments and criticism welcome; bear in mind that those are simple snapshots, though... :-) Are they really? Is that your definition of a snapshot? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2234428 Wow, Kostas
Re: tele extenders
OK, i have the A1.4X-L now but no lens to fit it to yet. i will be getting the A1.4-S pretty soon. i have on my radar a couple of lenses that the L converter will fit. how is the 600 f4 wide open? i know that such lenses generally are optimized for use wide open. do yuo know anyone that has used the A* 600 f5.6? as you can tell, i am on the hunt for * lenses of various vintages. Herb... - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: tele extenders It's the 1.4X-S on the 300mm f4.5 FA and the 1.4X-L on the 600mm f4.0 FA. I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm!
Re: Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)
graywolf wrote: Pentax USA has the policy that if they can not put the camera back to factory specs, and sometimes that means they are out of only one part, they will return it as unrepairable. That is a decision made by their lawyers for liability reasons. That does mean that while they will no longer repair a camera they may still have the parts in stock you need to do it yourself. I do agree that charging someone to tell them they won't fix it is pretty unfriendly. I have not heard of Pentax USA doing that except for shipping and handling. And if you called first they would have told you they no longer repair that model, in fact they have a list of all the cameras they no longer repair on their website. Not unreasonable for them to charge if you know what the deal is up front. I send a lot of older equipment in to places that charge a minimum fee to check if equipment is repairable -- if it is the fee usally goes agains the repair charge. If not, they charge me for their time to look at the equipment, which I find acceptable. I don't see why someone should work for nothing. Someone sooner or later is going to pay for that time. There are no free rides, beliefs of this list notwithstanding. What am I missing What is so unfriendly about getting paid for ones effort.. Otis Wright -- Peter J. Alling wrote: That's not so bad. I had a local camera shop send an X to a local authorized Pentax repair depot. It needed to have it's hot shoe re-attached. I even supplied all the parts. Other than the missing hot shoe the camera although nicely brassed worked flawlessly. It was returned unrepairable due to lack of parts. Missing the parts I supplied! Their handling included bending the shutter release just enough to keep the meter from turning off and denting the prism housing. For this special treatment I was charged the $20.00 deposit to get the camera returned. On top of this when I complained to the shop owner they refused to take any responsibility or action giving me the phone number of the repair dept. so I could complain directly. I'll not be going back there again and advise all my friends and acquaintances to tear clear. At least the ME Super wasn't any worse when it came back. mason wrote: camera shop and had it promptly returned as a no fix due to unavailability of parts at a cost of AU$50. The simple fact is that it has a dodgy ratchet on the Rob Studdert I think it is very unfair to charge for letting you know that the work cannot be done. Please do not tell me that the technician spent 5 minutes on it and someone has to pay for it. I have met (unfortunately) some people who prey on others by charging them for every second of their lack of professionalism. They charge by the hour and they couldn't care less if it takes them 1h or 5h to work it out. I think you should pay per job. If someone is incompetent enough to spend 4h on a 20min job - IT SHOULD BE THEIR PROBLEM, not a huge bill for the client! (*)o(*) Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: tele extenders
I have the 600 f5.6, Herb. What would you like to know? -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 26, 2004 6:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: tele extenders OK, i have the A1.4X-L now but no lens to fit it to yet. i will be getting the A1.4-S pretty soon. i have on my radar a couple of lenses that the L converter will fit. how is the 600 f4 wide open? i know that such lenses generally are optimized for use wide open. do yuo know anyone that has used the A* 600 f5.6? as you can tell, i am on the hunt for * lenses of various vintages. Herb... - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: tele extenders It's the 1.4X-S on the 300mm f4.5 FA and the 1.4X-L on the 600mm f4.0 FA. I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm!
OT: eggs (was Re: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew)
Eggs can keep well for weeks outside the fridge in my experience... my parents just keep them in a cupboard and use them anything up to a week after their expiry date. S frank theriault wrote: Keith, Nope. No egg for them. I didn't mention it in the initial post, but the eggs I had with me that night were rotten. My roomie is having her kitchen renovated, and we had to move the fridge into the hallway. She in the process, the eggs didn't get put back into the fridge once it got plugged back in. They didn't smell or anything, but they'd been outside of the fridge for several days. Once I was done shooting, they went in the garbage. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:48:35 -0800 Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Cool story Frank! Hope you gave the homeless guy some spare change for his trouble... And, let him keep the egg! keith _ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04
Oh, nice. Why is it that I only have to see the text 'lighthouse' and I already like the shot even before opening the link? Perhaps I like lighthouses. On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 00:47, Kenneth Waller wrote: With the recent run on lighthouses, I thought I'd submit mine. Check out my 5th Paw. Anyone know the body of water? Taken with a 600mm f4.0 FA lens in a high wind along with sideways rain. Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently? http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Thanks for taking the time Ken Waller -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: all about the glass
Alan, It's highly unlikely someone shoots sceneries wide-open. From 135 up these really commands f/8 and tripod. And under these conditions I have found the SMC 135/2.5 combined with Provia 100F to result in bit too vivid colours for my taste. Also, the above lens delivers good saturation and contrast even wide open; of course chromatic aberrations towards the corners limits its resolution, but one can hardly say it is a low contrast lens wide open. Servus, Alin Alan wrote: AC I belongs to the minority I guess. I think the wide open performance of most AC Pentax 135 lenses is disappointing. I would be very surprised if they were AC considered the best as most people have emphasized here. Also, due to the AC relatively low contrast and less vivid colour rendition (noticeably AC different from Nikkors), I have found Velvia 50 works best for scenery. AC Films like Provia 100F do not really work for SMC lenses.
Re: tele extenders
Can anyone comment on the Kenko KAX MC7 teleconverter? Thanks, Alin
Re: Pretty Girls and Mighty PDMLers Pictures - Rome Photoshow
Very nice. The last shot is very sexy! (The one with the black MX) On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 01:42, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: Hi guys and gals, Hope you don't mind if I post something ON topic during this week... :-) I've uploaded some pictures from last week's Photoshow. http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386098 All shot on Supra 200 with the Z-1p, Sigma EX 70-200/2.8 or FA 20-35/4 AL. Flash (AF400FTZ) used in all shots (almost always -1 EV). Hope you'll enjoy having a look at them. Comments and criticism welcome; bear in mind that those are simple snapshots, though... :-) Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386090 Frank, you have some seriously cool potential here. I love the shots in which you can see almost nothing but the face of the person and the hand holding the egg. A little judicious burning in the darkroom would be very helpful ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: *ist D arrived - First Impressions
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:41:23 -0700 (MST), Greg Lovern wrote: I wasn't sure whether the DA 16-45 would get much use, since I usually prefer sharp primes, and it is big and heavy. And I intend to continue to use my ZX-L for very wide shots anyway (I really like my Sigma KA 18/3.5). But I figured that between the US $200 rebate and Adorama's kit discount, it would cost me about $170 to get a $430 lens, and if I decided I didn't want it I could just wait until after the rebate period and resell it, and probably not come out too badly. And, maybe I'll end up using it a lot after all. I got my 16-45 today and am planning on using it almost exclusively over the weekend. The 5 shots I took today (of my building site front yard) impressed me so far. I'm not sure what will become of my FA20-35. Overall, I'm very pleased and excited, especially with image quality. I feel the opposite of buyer's remorse -- I'm more pleased with the *ist D than I had thought possible. It's a great camera. I picked up my MZ-S today and it has a roll of film in it from September when the *istD arrived. I WILL go out and finish the roll one day Really I will! Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
Re: taking a break for a while...
On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 22:13, Lasse Karlsson wrote: From: Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 21:43, Lasse Karlsson wrote: I am just a jolly kind of fella' who wouldn't like to cause anyone no harm. Thanks, Lasse Now I am worried Lasse! Yes. Hard to believe, ain't it? But it's true. Almost everything about me is in fact very jolly. You should see me walk for instance. I've got a very jolly walk. Stan has actually seen it, and can attest to it. People also say that I sound very jolly when I talk, for instance. It may not come through in my messages on the list, though. Yes indeed. Mr. Jolly - that's me, Frits. That's the one you're talking to, and nobody else. Funny, ain't it? :-) Lasse Actually Lasse, the second part of the sentence is the part that had me worried: 'wouldn't like to cause anyone no harm' You have two negative terms in there, so it really says: 'would like to cause anyone harm'. Is this my bad understanding of the English language? I can't imagine you are a guy who wants to do harm. I must be missing something here:-) -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
When setting up a web page (*especially* if you're new at it), follow the KISS principle. If you're the kind of photographer who likes doing his own darkroom work, you'll probably enjoy getting into the workings of HTLM (which if you follow the abovementioned KISS principle, isn't complex), so go with a text editor and code your own. It's easy. Elizabeth Castro's HTML For the World Wide Web is thorough, understandable and inexpensive. Also see: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com Lotsa fun. Good design advice. Jakob Nielsen is the web design God: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html http://www.useit.com/alertbox/991003.html http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20021223.html Lots more at http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
DCPDML next week?
Well, Dr. Lisa has a COG conference in DC next week and I'm coming along (we're driving) so we're going to be in Washington from Wednesday through Saturday. Haven't yet decided if we're coming back Saturday afternoon or Sunday morning so a Saturday evening meeting would probably be inadvisable at this point. Any DCPDML'ers up for a gathering? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: PAW #5 - Sludd
Fra: Tom Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which is the Norwegian word for a pleasant mix of rain and snow: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231042size=lg DagT BbbbRRr!!! Makes you want to go into the next coffee shop, Two large hot chocolates and a big mound of buttered toast please. Nicely done, the figures are a pleasant contrast to each other in shape (one hints at a male hunched against the sleet while the other sugests a smartly dressed woman) and the amount of blur in the sludd is close to perfect... Oh and high marks just for being there on such a horrid day... Not one to sell to the Norwegian Tourist Board though... B again, Tom. Thanks Tom! Good point with the female and male figures. I hadn't thought about that but, yes, it adds to the picture. We were three strangers fighting our way to work on this last monday morning, so I thought I'd see if I could describe the feeling. From your comment it appears that I did :-) DagT
RE: PAW #5 - Sludd
Thanks! So, now I've know a little more English. Yes, I was joking :-) Actually, some of the sleet is sharp, but it really doesn't matter. The photo was taken while walking, and at 1/20s I didn't expect much sharpness. So now I also know that the *istD can take a certain amount of wet snow DagT Fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, please tell me, Dag, that you're joking. In English, we have a word for mix of rain and snow. It's called sleet. I can assure you, there's nothing pleasant about it. vbg Great photo, BTW. No, Freaking Amazing Photo. Sharpness? We don't need no stinking sharpness!! I love it. cheers, frank From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is the Norwegian word for a pleasant mix of rain and snow: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231042size=lg DagT
Re: OT: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew
Inspired. :-) S frank theriault wrote: I decide to walk the streets at night, with an egg in one hand, LX and flash in the other, and walk up to people, and ask if I might photograph them whilst they hold an egg. Surprisingly, 12 people said yes. A few said no, and scurried away (don't blame them, really). I set my own rules: One shot per person. 12 shots total. Whatever comes out, comes out. If I have to reshoot due to technical difficulties, so be it. I wanted spontaneous. I'd accept the photos, warts and all. I wanted a decidedly low-tech gritty feel to it. I think I succeeded g. Took me about an hour and 1/2. Little did I know the adventure was only starting. I couldn't get to my usual lab on Tuesday, so I went to a minilab on my block, who claims to to bw (and cheaper than my lab, too!). Well, he develops negs. Then he prints them up in the C-41 minilab. I didn't realize that. They were horrendous! Fuzzy (so much so that even ~I~ was dissatisfied). All kind of sepia-toned and ~real~ darkish!. They were simply unacceptable. I scanned them anyway, and here they are: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386090 Please remember, they aren't intended to be serious, rather I'm hoping that they'll seen as a lighter and humourous alternative to the serious artistes that will no doubt be in this thing.
FS: LX
Busy this weekend, so won't be checking mail Sat or Sun til p.m. For Sale: LX. $300 or CDN$400 plus shipping of US $15-ish depending on method chosen It has the FA-1 finder and I replaced the SB21 screen with a brighter SE60 (bought from Peter of Sunny Brighton). It's definitely been used. It has a fair amount of scuffs and scratches and the leatherette is lifting slightly in a couple of places but it's not actually showing any brassing. A couple of bright spots on the top edges of the prism. Serial number is 52 something and film speed goes to 3200. I also have a brand new user manual for it. Speeds were checked about a year ago and it had sticky-mirror fixed with a service about three years ago and it's been fine ever since. Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
Re: taking a break for a while...
William: Because of the mean spirit in which he espouses his extreme views on everyone and everything, I stopped reading Mr. Karlsson's posts a long time ago. From the snippets I've seen in the posts of others, I certainly don't regret it. I'm sure he could teach me a lot about photography, but it is not worth putting up with the other nonsense. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - blah, blah, blah... You calling me a hypocrite is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Re: Cotty WOW
Nothing Special. Did this for a friend's father. It's a pic of Stephane Grappelli and Django Reinhart somewhere. Re-photographed on digital. The final printed version is sepia-toned. Some heavy damage to the guitar, the sofa / legs area. Loads of blemishes too small to resolve on a web page. About three hours work. http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html So say you! I think it's a great job! keith That's very kind, thanks Keith. I was very impressed by Jostein's cloning on the girl's skirt, that was a very large area to have to sort out. Hey, you think Tanja's cheap - I only charged him a tenner! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Cotty WOW
On 25/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated: Nothing Special. Did this for a friend's father. It's a pic of Stephane Grappelli and Django Reinhart somewhere. It could have been shot in London at recording sessions in 1936 or 1938. They visited London numerous times and did some of their finest recordings there (also soundwise), both as a duo and the full Hot Club Quintet. The picture looks familiar, maybe from a record sleeve. Obviously a publicity shot. I may have more pictures from this shoot somewhere in the house. Do you happen to know anything about the original print that was used? (Django Reinhardt is one of my greatest musical heroes. Got a great part of his recordings, and they were many, all broadcasts, private sessions and privately recorded concerts included. He also visited the U.S. once in the forties and performed with Duke Ellington. I consider him and Jimi Hendrix the two, no contest, outstanding geniuses of six stringed guitarplaying.) I'm sorry Lasse, I don't have the original print anymore - it went back with my clean-up. I recall it had a date written on the back, and 1938 sounds right. It had their names, and also the venue, which I have forgotten. I have a CD of Grappelli knocking about, but that;s it. I like the name Django thjough ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Advice on lens I purchased
On 25/3/04, FRANCIS discumbobulated: Now comes the big question. Should I return it and get my money back? I would get my money back if I were you, and I was not satisfied. Even in Ex+ condition, the seller should state that there is obvious damage to the lens. If they didn't they are at fault. You are paying a lot of money for a lens like that and even in Ex+ condition you can reasonably expect better than that. Return it ASAP. HTH Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Lasse ; WAS something stupid
On 25/3/04, BILL HAT-MAN CASSELBERRY discumbobulated: Dahh, he's okay. It's rutting season up there in Scandinavia. It'll pass ;-) . remeber way back when Lasse first came on and about half the PDML was in rut thinking he was some svelte Scandanavian beauty! Hearts were broken aspirations dashed upon the rocks. Bill LOL! I remember thinking that Jostein was a woman's name and I expected some leggy blonde Norwegian bombshell at Duxford in 2002. Instead, I got just the bombshell ;-) Pity cos those Norwegian ladies *sure are pretty* Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: OT: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew
Perhaps we can have an egg theme for the PUG. Come to think of it, I already put my best egg portrait in a PUG entry.
Re: taking a break for a while...
- Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: taking a break for a while... William: Because of the mean spirit in which he espouses his extreme views on everyone and everything, I stopped reading Mr. Karlsson's posts a long time ago. From the snippets I've seen in the posts of others, I certainly don't regret it. I'm sure he could teach me a lot about photography, but it is not worth putting up with the other nonsense. Dan, I have a long history on this list of tweaking the noses of people that turn out to be pompous twits. I just can't seem to help myself. I admit it may be a personality flaw, sometimes for fun I take candy from small children too. :-} A lot of people on this list can teach you a lot about photography, and generally, they aren't posting childish drivel. William Robb
Re: *ist D arrived - First Impressions
- Original Message - From: Greg Lovern Subject: *ist D arrived - First Impressions Overall, I'm very pleased and excited, especially with image quality. I feel the opposite of buyer's remorse -- I'm more pleased with the *ist D than I had thought possible. Another convert to the dark side. Welcome aboard. William Robb
birthday present
I received a book for my birthday that I thought might go over well here. Audrey Hepburn, An Elegant Spirit A remembrance by her son, Sean Hepburn Ferrer. LOTS of really good portraits by pros and a lot of great family photos from throughout her life. Can't wait to have time to read it... Cory Waters Hasn't taken a photo all week. Perhaps today. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 3/26/2004
Re: taking a break for a while...
Those are the ones to whom I try to listen, including you. I don't mind occasional abrasive comments -- I'm an old grouch, and say intemperate things from time to time -- but a few go way beyond what I find acceptable. The solution is to ignore or block them. William Robb wrote: Dan, I have a long history on this list of tweaking the noses of people that turn out to be pompous twits. I just can't seem to help myself. I admit it may be a personality flaw, sometimes for fun I take candy from small children too. :-} A lot of people on this list can teach you a lot about photography, and generally, they aren't posting childish drivel.
Re: taking a break for a while...
From: Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 22:13, Lasse Karlsson wrote: From: Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 21:43, Lasse Karlsson wrote: I am just a jolly kind of fella' who wouldn't like to cause anyone no harm. Thanks, Lasse Now I am worried Lasse! Yes. Hard to believe, ain't it? But it's true. Almost everything about me is in fact very jolly. You should see me walk for instance. I've got a very jolly walk. Stan has actually seen it, and can attest to it. People also say that I sound very jolly when I talk, for instance. It may not come through in my messages on the list, though. Yes indeed. Mr. Jolly - that's me, Frits. That's the one you're talking to, and nobody else. Funny, ain't it? :-) Lasse Actually Lasse, the second part of the sentence is the part that had me worried: 'wouldn't like to cause anyone no harm' You have two negative terms in there, so it really says: 'would like to cause anyone harm'. Is this my bad understanding of the English language? I can't imagine you are a guy who wants to do harm. I must be missing something here:-) Nah, that's just our way of talking. Those double negations must have slipped in through my African-American heritage. Must have been playing to much jazz I guess. Anyway that's part of our lingo and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just a bit different. You'll pick it up. Just in case anyone - like Stan who's met me, gets confused - I'm albino black, it would seem. Lasse
Re[2]: PAW: Rainy day
Hello Boris, Thursday, March 25, 2004, 9:30:56 PM, you wrote: BL Hi! BL Attila, I think I like the uncropped one better. It tell more of a BL rainy day story and concludes nicely on that car. You know, if that BL guy used his wiper blades and you caught it on film, it would be even BL better. BL But of course it is my taste and my view... BL Boris In print indeed looks fine... but when I tried to resize to fit the screen I lost too much detail;( So the cropping was a compromise. As the photo was taken shortly after the rain, the driver had no reason to use the wiper blades... As you say this, I realize it would be fine, but I didn't had that in mind when I took the photo. I almost depressed the shutter when I heard the car coming, and waited a sec... it was a quick decision, not much time for thinking:) Attila
Re: Advice on lens I purchased
Maybe the question is why wouldn't you return it? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Advice on lens I purchased On 25/3/04, FRANCIS discumbobulated: Now comes the big question. Should I return it and get my money back? I would get my money back if I were you, and I was not satisfied. Even in Ex+ condition, the seller should state that there is obvious damage to the lens. If they didn't they are at fault. You are paying a lot of money for a lens like that and even in Ex+ condition you can reasonably expect better than that. Return it ASAP. HTH Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: OT: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew
Frank spit forth: So, here's what I've been up to earlier in the week. Longish story (but not Fairy Girl long, I don't think). I scanned them anyway, and here they are: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386090 cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer Interesting topic and your interpretation of it Frank. I think someone mentioned, and i agree,that the ones with the face/hand and egg lit are the best. Good luck again with Jet Fuel Dave
Re: PAW - Mexican Girl
Thanks! There certainly is a shy (and very warm) smile behind those hands. The people in the background give the photo some added depth, I think. Might be too sterile without them. shel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual another fine PAW Shel. I think i can see a very small,shy smile behind her hand that seems to give the picture its warmth. Not sure if it would have been better to have or not have the people in the background.I cannot decide which would look better to me. But never the less,a great shot. http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/mexican-girl.html
Re: Gandhi; WAS Re: My own DOF confusion
LOL. One of the best thread titles I've seen. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Re: taking a break for a while...
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Mafud wrote: I'll help you. I never did, nor have I ever conceptualized a sig file as a personal attack on me. Is that clear? You, obviously led by your own prejudices, poor reading abilities and poor judgement, now falsly and publicly state for a fact that I did. So... to bring this back on topic, what sort of macro lens do you recommend for photographing the hairs that you've just split? Fine, I'll rephrase it for you. Once upon a time, there was a little sig file. It wasn't the most politically neutral or even logically defensible sig file in the world, but it was a sig file. It lived under the bridge at the bottom of an author's email, and it went out to all of his email recipients here on the PDML. But there was a grumpy troll who saw the sig file, and he became angry and lost his temper. Did he ask the sig file nicely to go away? No. Did he let the sig file know that he didn't agree with its logic? No. Instead, he wrote, Do you know what they say about you ... They say you are so full of shit that it's finally overflowed. He didn't even put an OT in the subject line even though the sig file's post was about Pentax stuff and his was not. Don't do that at home, boys and girls. So, anyway, he responded in a very personal manner by directly attacking the author of the sig file and saying very naughty things about him. This is a Bad Thing. Now, when you do a Bad Thing, the Good Thing to do is apologize. But the mean troll didn't do that. Instead, he said, Not only did you defend yourself against a sig file that wasn't addressed to you personally, you did so by attacking Colin. This is getting too absurd even for me, who even confess Absurdism as one of my beliefs in Art, Music, Literature, Philosophy and life in general Let's look at the facts, boys and girls. Fact #1. The sig file was not addressed to Lasse personally, it was sent to the entire PDML. Fact #2. Lasse did not like the sig file, and accused its author of being full of shit. Fact #3. This was a direct personal attack on the sig file's author. What part of this is not clear? If simple logic seems absurd to you, can you please explain what methodology you're using here? This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion because you won't recognize simple facts. Several PDMLers have taken offence to what you said, so I ask you again... at what point are you right and the rest of the PDML wrong? If you had handled this civilly from the beginning, this could have gone the other way, and Colin might be apologizing for his sig. But your response was more offensive than the sig because it was addressed to one particular list member specifically, so you took the heat. Personally, I don't like Colin's ex-sig. I find its logic inexplicable and its political tone inappropriate for the PDML. By rights I should be agreeing with you. I wound up way to the southwest of Gandhi, after all. Think about it... if you're alienating the people who should be on your side, then maybe you didn't do the best job of putting your point across. Fair enough, it happens to all of us. I'm sure you're a good guy and I'd probably get along great with you in person over some beer, but I just can't justify your overly personal attack on a PDMLer. chris
Re: tele extenders
I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm! Yes, the sequence is ~very~ important - if you put the TC on the ~front~ of the 600, you get some really serious vignetting - vbg. Fred
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
inline Boros Attila wrote: Hello Shel, Friday, March 26, 2004, 11:09:24 AM, you wrote: SB Leon Altoff wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:14:47 +0200, Dr E D F Williams wrote: 1) Keep it simple and use a style sheet, I like the idea of style sheets, but Internet Explorer version 6 does not fully support them - specifically you can use style sheets to create frame like pages that aren't actually frames, but IE won't display them correctly. I spent hours trying to find what was wrong with my code before I finally found this bit of information out SB Well, if IE6 doesn't support 'em, why the hell should I use SB 'em if the idea is to make the content readily available to SB as many people as possible. CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) are a very good idea, to separate the content form the formatting. You just write your HTML plain simple, just headers, paragraphs, links, etc. Then you write CSS (I prefer to keep it in a separate file, but you can put it inside the .html file) and specify how should it look like. All the fancy look, green links, yellow headers, font types and sizes, paragraph alignment spacing, in a word all the layout of the page. The good thing is, if you want to change the layout later, you don't have to touch the content at all. The trick is, as Leon wrote Internet Explorer version 6 does not fully support them. Note here the word fully. You can find various tables on the net about which browser support which CSS tag, but it's best to test it out for yourself. If you find a tag which the browser doesn't support, or you don't like the result, then don't use that tag. Also it is a good idea to test at least with IE and Mozilla. For Mac users, ask Cotty which browser they use:) (I know very little about Macs.) If you need help with CSS or HTML, contact me offlist, I'll do the best I can. Please have a look at these links: The CSS homepage: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ it's rather technical, but don't be scared, you don't have to read the whole thing, just take a look at (you may read it later, if you want to master CSS). CSS primer: http://wendypeck.com/css101.html to make an idea what CSS is all about. CSS tutorial: http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp is a good place to start, with examples. http://www.css-discuss.org/ is a great resource:) I am using style sheets on my graywolfphoto site but only for backgrounds. In a way grep (gnu recursive editing program?) obliviates the need for them. They seem to be mostly a windows work around, and as such complicate things rather than simplify them. A Windows version of grep can be found at: http://www.wingrep.com/ SB Still not sure what Java script is and what benefit it may SB offer. Doesn't seem like something I want unless it's SB needed for some specific function that I'm not aware of. Well, if you don't know what it is for, then you really don't need it:) JavaScript is a scripting language developed by Netscape to add interactivity to web documents, such as live clocks, rollover effects, scrollers, form validations, etc. JavaScript differs from most other programming languages in that it is relatively easy to master, even for people who have absolutely no programming experiences whatsoever. I wouldn't call it a 'programming language', after all, it's just scripting:) If you like to keep things simple, I think you don't really need JavaScript. If you are curios, you can find dozens of examples and tutorials on the net. Javascript is a subset of Java which is an html scripting language. Its problem is that it run browser side (on the users machine). PHP is also an html scripting language, but it runs server side. The commercial website builders seem to prefer Javascript (remember they also like Macromedia Flash a browser side graphical language). The non-commercial crowd much prefer PHP. Boris Liberman gave me a lot of information about PHP, but I never got around to doing anything with it. Now I need to get into it as the Discussion Forum on my presscamera site is programed in it and needs to be cutomized. Also the is an immense amount of free pre-written software in it. I is design to link to relational databases as well. http://www.php.net/ is the place to start. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: tele extenders
Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm! Yes, the sequence is ~very~ important - if you put the TC on the ~front~ of the 600, you get some really serious vignetting - vbg. I believe he meant the sequence of the two teleconverters. You can't put the 'L' teleconverter behind the 'S' teleconverter because of the snout. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: PAW - Mexican Girl
Her hands look badly scarred. Yes? No? keith Shel Belinkoff wrote: Thanks! There certainly is a shy (and very warm) smile behind those hands. The people in the background give the photo some added depth, I think. Might be too sterile without them. shel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual another fine PAW Shel. I think i can see a very small,shy smile behind her hand that seems to give the picture its warmth. Not sure if it would have been better to have or not have the people in the background.I cannot decide which would look better to me. But never the less,a great shot. http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/mexican-girl.html
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Shel, I've got mindspring which is a part of earthlink. You get 10 megabytes of web space for each e-mail address. You can have up to 7 or 8 free e-mail addresses I forget which. I've reserved 70 meg of space I'm using about 1/3 of it right now. You can put all of your code in one area and link to images and resources in others or keep subsections with resources and code together, or use some other arbatrary method. Just plan it out in advance. Unless you need CGI support, which I don't think they support for the base website, I can't think of any reason to rent more space than you already have. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Leon Altoff wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:14:47 +0200, Dr E D F Williams wrote: 1) Keep it simple and use a style sheet, I like the idea of style sheets, but Internet Explorer version 6 does not fully support them - specifically you can use style sheets to create frame like pages that aren't actually frames, but IE won't display them correctly. I spent hours trying to find what was wrong with my code before I finally found this bit of information out Well, if IE6 doesn't support 'em, why the hell should I use 'em if the idea is to make the content readily available to as many people as possible. How much space do they offer? You can make a small website easily in 5 MB, 10 can make a good one and 20 can hold a lot. Right now I've got 10mb ... maybe more. I'm not sure if I get 10mb total or 10mb for each email address. However, the setup I now have doesn't allow for a domain name, which seems like an important consideration. Look around the web and see what you like and then copy it. Later on change it to suit your own style. Yeah, I've a list of sites that I like, but on some of them all the code is not accessible. Seems like it references some code somewhere else that I can't access. If you use frames if can be difficult to reference individual pages. I don't think I want to use frames ... If you use Java script some people will not bother using it. Still not sure what Java script is and what benefit it may offer. Doesn't seem like something I want unless it's needed for some specific function that I'm not aware of. Flash is flashy but not necessary and again a lot of people will not bother with your site. Not at all interested in Flash. My experiences using sites that have it have never been satisfactory. In terms of how much room you have you can look at the sites I have had something to do with. Will do ... I'll let you know what I think ... shel
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Frames, for those who are wondering are those non-scrolling sections you get on many webpages. If you are on a page where the navigation section does not scroll with the main text, they are using frames. Frames do nice things, but they also seem to cause problems, so are basically a trade off. Anyone who wants the maximum number of folks to be able to look at their website are best off if they use basic html. Every feature you add is going to cut out some of your users. I for instance do not allow foreign scripts to run on my machine, so if you use javascript, flash, etc. I am not going to be able to look at your webpages. The problem is that people who hire commercial programmers have no idea about these things and are fascinated by gee-whiz stuff, so even if they know better the commercial guys have to do it. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nielsen's remarks about frames are way out of date. That stuff was written many years ago. Frames are quite useful these days. As far as making them work I've not had trouble and I'm no expert. Well ... no more trouble than the other stuff anyway. Frames still make it difficult to bookmark sub-pages (impossible foe less-experienced web users) and give search engine spiders trouble. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Use grep. Takes about 2 minutes to do a search and replace across 50 pages. Dr E D F Williams wrote: When you need to change something on several htm pages; a link, or the size of a font in the header it's easier if you can do it all at once rather than have to edit each page one at a time. For example I *always* need to change the size of the font on the top of the htm pages generated by the gallery making software I use, the default that cannot be changed in the program itself, is far too big. If you have fifty or more of them it may take a long time. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
That is used with frames. A target is basically the window you want to pop up. BTW, the filename or directory starting with an underscore (_) is used by many programmers to indicate something they do not want webcrawlers to search. One line in robots.txt like Disallow: _* tells them not to search anything that begins with an underscore. -- Shel Belinkoff wrote: While looking through the code on a few web sites, I came across this, which I don't understand. Can someone explain what this means or references: a href=main.html target=_top It was followed with the code for img src shel -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
FS: Local LX
Midwest has a really nice looking, very clean LX in stock. Looks like it's had very modest use. In think they want just over $500 for it. Later-style lock, FA-1, A50/1.7. http://www.mpex.com Unfortunately it's not listed on their web site. Call them if interested. Collin -- - I gave in, and admitted that God was God. C. S. Lewis --
Re[2]: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
On 26/3/04, BORIS discumbobulated: Also it is a good idea to test at least with IE and Mozilla. For Mac users, ask Cotty which browser they use:) (I know very little about Macs.) Most Mac users will have Safari and IE 5.2...some use Mozilla and iCab. Best checked on a Mac itself. I design on a Mac and check for compatibility on a PC. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr E D F Williams wrote: When you need to change something on several htm pages; a link, or the size of a font in the header it's easier if you can do it all at once rather than have to edit each page one at a time Use grep. Takes about 2 minutes to do a search and replace across 50 pages. I often use the free EditPad text editor (Windows only - sorry Cotty!) for doing my HTML. You can do a single find-and-replace operation across all open documents - and I've had over 100 open at once on occasion. If you can't find it on the web you can download it from my web page at http://www.robertstech.com/editpad.zip Another way of getting the maintenance advantages of frame navigation without the drawbacks of frames is with the SHTML #include virtual technique (if your host supports SHTML). Personally, I prefer to keep the HTML simple and do global find/replace updates with EditPad or Alaire HomeSite. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)
But you see it wasn't Pentax USA that I have a problem with, it was the store who sent it to a center that a wouldn't repair it, damaged the camera further and wouldn't stand behind their service or lack there of. I didn't ask for Pentax authorized repair and the center isn't owned by Pentax they're an independent. The camera finally went to a place in New York, another Pentax Authorized center, (I don't know the name, if I did I'd tell the world, they do good work), The store I went through that time is out of business. I was able to scrounge more replacement parts and they put the shoe back on CLA'd the camera and gave me a 90 day warantiee. graywolf wrote: Pentax USA has the policy that if they can not put the camera back to factory specs, and sometimes that means they are out of only one part, they will return it as unrepairable. That is a decision made by their lawyers for liability reasons. That does mean that while they will no longer repair a camera they may still have the parts in stock you need to do it yourself. I do agree that charging someone to tell them they won't fix it is pretty unfriendly. I have not heard of Pentax USA doing that except for shipping and handling. And if you called first they would have told you they no longer repair that model, in fact they have a list of all the cameras they no longer repair on their website. -- Peter J. Alling wrote: That's not so bad. I had a local camera shop send an X to a local authorized Pentax repair depot. It needed to have it's hot shoe re-attached. I even supplied all the parts. Other than the missing hot shoe the camera although nicely brassed worked flawlessly. It was returned unrepairable due to lack of parts. Missing the parts I supplied! Their handling included bending the shutter release just enough to keep the meter from turning off and denting the prism housing. For this special treatment I was charged the $20.00 deposit to get the camera returned. On top of this when I complained to the shop owner they refused to take any responsibility or action giving me the phone number of the repair dept. so I could complain directly. I'll not be going back there again and advise all my friends and acquaintances to tear clear. At least the ME Super wasn't any worse when it came back. mason wrote: camera shop and had it promptly returned as a no fix due to unavailability of parts at a cost of AU$50. The simple fact is that it has a dodgy ratchet on the Rob Studdert I think it is very unfair to charge for letting you know that the work cannot be done. Please do not tell me that the technician spent 5 minutes on it and someone has to pay for it. I have met (unfortunately) some people who prey on others by charging them for every second of their lack of professionalism. They charge by the hour and they couldn't care less if it takes them 1h or 5h to work it out. I think you should pay per job. If someone is incompetent enough to spend 4h on a 20min job - IT SHOULD BE THEIR PROBLEM, not a huge bill for the client! (*)o(*) Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/editpad.zip Whoops! Make that: http://www.robertstech.com/files/editpad.zip -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
I thought I had a bunch of this stuff in my archives, but can not find it right now. It was basically stuff written in PHP. However, a google seach for php photo will bring up lots of references. Shel Belinkoff wrote: There is code out there for free to do about anything you might want to do. The most useful to you will probably be automatic thumbnail generation and presentation software. Not sure exactly what you mean. Can you provide a name or two so I can put the suggestion in perspective? -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT: eggs (was Re: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew)
If you turn them over every day they will keep for months, that is how they did it in the days before refrigeration. -- Steve Jolly wrote: Eggs can keep well for weeks outside the fridge in my experience... my parents just keep them in a cupboard and use them anything up to a week after their expiry date. S frank theriault wrote: Keith, Nope. No egg for them. I didn't mention it in the initial post, but the eggs I had with me that night were rotten. My roomie is having her kitchen renovated, and we had to move the fridge into the hallway. She in the process, the eggs didn't get put back into the fridge once it got plugged back in. They didn't smell or anything, but they'd been outside of the fridge for several days. Once I was done shooting, they went in the garbage. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:48:35 -0800 Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Cool story Frank! Hope you gave the homeless guy some spare change for his trouble... And, let him keep the egg! keith _ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: Can someone explain what this means or references: a href=main.html target=_top That is used with frames. A target is basically the window you want to pop up. More specifically, target tells your web browser *where* you want the new page (the target page) to open. target=_top opens the new page in the current browser as the main page: Outside all frames even if you're currently in a framed page. In other words, target=_top jumps you out of any frames and loads the target page as the only one in the browser. target=new will open a new (additional) browser window and load the target page in it. This is considered poor netiquette (see mistakes 1 and 2 in http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html) and I personally find it so annoying that I use a web proxy set to prevent my browser executing the target=new command and opening new browser windows on my system. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I had a bunch of this stuff in my archives, but can not find it right now. It was basically stuff written in PHP. However, a google seach for php photo will bring up lots of references. I think there are a couple of free apps that will help with photo web publishing on my software page http://www.robertstech.com/pixel/software.htm -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT - damaged 77mm limited photos posted
This lens is badly damaged. Well below what I would expect from a company with Adorama's reputation. Francis Alviar wrote: Hello guys, I took some photos of the lens I bought from Adorama. As you can see from the first photo the lens cap has evidence of being dropped. The fifth photo clearly indicates where the lens impacted and the subsequent 2nd and 3rd photos showing the big speck in the middle. In photo #3 it is the big, gray spot in the middle of the glass. You can access the photos here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386256 Francis ps I called Adorama this morning and initiated a return. Will just buy a new specimen after receiving a refund. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
RE: Got an MZ-S!!!
Congrats, Robert. I'm sure you'll enjoy using it. I surely love mine. This camera brings back the pure pleasure of photography. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Robert Leigh Woerner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 26. marts 2004 02:15 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Got an MZ-S!!! I got an MZ-S today from Adorama(demo) for a song. What a good feeling camera. Finally got one for what I was willing to pay. Later, Robert
Re: PAW - Mexican Girl
Beautiful. I wonder what was to the left and whether framing her on the right to get rid of the distracting people in the background, leaving only the arches above her, would have looked. Her is expression is fantastic. You cannot see her direct smile, because she is covering it, (I am familiar with this gesture of shyness in Mexican people when their pic is taken), but you can see the smile in her eyes. rg Shel Belinkoff wrote: This was taken on my chicken bus trip through Mexico. I have no recollection of what little town we stopped in when this photo was made. I was wandering through town and came across this courtyard, and was about to leave when this little girl appeared, and approached me. I fell in love with her simple beauty, her openness, and her underlying shyness. She was covered with large warts or lumps, which are just barely visible in this screen presentation (which is still a work in progress), and the contrast between her facial expression (evident even behind her hands) and her affliction was startling. Maybe you'll see in her what I saw ... http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/mexican-girl.html shel
FS: AF280T Flash
Just bought another AF360FGZ for backup so the backup AF280T is up for grabs. Extremely light use. Condition is LN- and comes with case and manual. $75 + shipping. Thanks, Bruce
WAS something stupid
- Original Message - From: Jostein Subject: Re: Lasse ; WAS something stupid I'm blonde, though. Two out of three can't be bad? :-) When I had hair, I was a blonde. WW
Re: PAW - Mexican Girl
It was a long time ago, and I can't recall what was on her left. However, I don't find the people in the background at all distracting. I think they add something to the scene. IAC, I'm so pleased you can recognize what her gesture and expression convey. That's often lost on those unfamiliar with the customs of the place, and over the years a few people have wondered why I'd make a photo with her hands over her face. shel Gonz wrote: Beautiful. I wonder what was to the left and whether framing her on the right to get rid of the distracting people in the background, leaving only the arches above her, would have looked. Her is expression is fantastic. You cannot see her direct smile, because she is covering it, (I am familiar with this gesture of shyness in Mexican people when their pic is taken), but you can see the smile in her eyes. http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/mexican-girl.html shel
Re: OT what is that makes the CD not usable ?- was : Photo Software
- Original Message - From: Anand DHUPKAR Subject: OT what is that makes the CD not usable ?- was : Photo Software A quick question - what is that makes the CD not usable ? Can we prevent it ? How should we store the CDs? Protect from heat and bright sunlight. Be careful not to scratch either the read side or the label side. Keep them away from solvents and their fumes. All of the above can damage the disc. I have used warm water and dish detergent successfully to clean a CD that was dirty enough to not read properly, and have also used Windex for the same purpose. Make back ups and update them periodically, as CD's can, all on their own, render themselves unusable. William Robb
Re: PAW - Mexican Girl
Keith Whaley wrote: Her hands look badly scarred. Yes? No? As noted in the text describing the photo: She was covered with large warts or lumps, which are just barely visible in this screen presentation [...] and the contrast between her facial expression (evident even behind her hands) and her affliction was startling. shel
Re: PAW - Mexican Girl
Aha...sorry. I didn't see the text. Perhaps I didn't scroll down far enough -- who knows. thanks, keith Shel Belinkoff wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Her hands look badly scarred. Yes? No? As noted in the text describing the photo: She was covered with large warts or lumps, which are just barely visible in this screen presentation [...] and the contrast between her facial expression (evident even behind her hands) and her affliction was startling. shel
Re: digital infrared
Cool effect. I went out on Monday and took a few shots using the Hoya RM 90 - a few snaps (no art intended here either.) The original color balance: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP4305.jpg De-saturated with the levels adjusted: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP4305bw.jpg A few other de saturated shots: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP4328.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP4329.jpg I'm not sure what causes the vignetting effect in the last shot there. - MCC All forbidden... What is the Hoya RM 90? The macro 90/2.5? Andre
PAW: Toes!
http://www.elvum.net/gallery/paw/toes_rc I don't think this one needs much explanation. :-) Taken with an M50/1.7 on negative film and selectively desaturated in PSP. All comments and criticisms welcome, but I already know that I misjudged the focus slightly... S
Re: tele extenders
I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm! Yes, the sequence is ~very~ important - if you put the TC on the ~front~ of the 600, you get some really serious vignetting - vbg. I believe he meant the sequence of the two teleconverters. You can't put the 'L' teleconverter behind the 'S' teleconverter because of the snout. Yes, I know - I just couldn't resist the wisecrack - g. (Sorry.) Fred
FS Friday
From: Robert Leigh Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: FS Friday Hi all, I have some screwmount stuff to sell. Super-Multi-Coated Macro Takumar f 4.0 100mm (1:2)--Like New--$200.00 Vivitar 55mm macro (1:1 WITHOUT TUBES)--Beautiful Optic--Very Good--$80.00 Takumar f 4.0 300mm (82mm Filter)--Excellent--$200.00 Shipping is additional. Prefer to deal with shipping only within US and to Canada. Not sure about navigating shipping elsewhere. Will consider it though. Have a good day, Robert Sorry, no pics available. I don't do digital. Satisfaction guaranteed or return for refund less shipping.
Re: PAW - Mexican Girl
Thanks! There certainly is a shy (and very warm) smile behind those hands. The people in the background give the photo some added depth, I think. Might be too sterile without them. shel Now that i look at it again,i think your right with that last statement Dave
Re: WAS something stupid
- Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I had hair, I was a blonde. WW It is said, around these parts, that a man cannot expect to keep both hair and intelligence. ;-) Cheers, Jostein
FS Friday
Hi all, I have some screwmount stuff to sell. Super-Multi-Coated Macro Takumar f 4.0 100mm (1:2)--Like New--$200.00 Vivitar 55mm macro (1:1 WITHOUT TUBES)--Beautiful Optic--Very Good--$80.00 Takumar f 4.0 300mm (82mm Filter)--Excellent--$200.00 Shipping is additional. Prefer to deal with shipping only within US and to Canada. Not sure about navigating shipping elsewhere. Will consider it though. Have a good day, Robert Sorry, no pics available. I don't do digital. Satisfaction guaranteed or return for refund less shipping.
Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04
Mark, thanks for taking the time to look comment. It was raining so hard my wife thought I was crazy standing out there with the camera gear. Without the softness it would be a more ordinary image of another lighthouse. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04 Nice shot, Ken. I like the juxtaposition of the breaking wave and the lighthouse. It's very dynamic. The softness that results from the veil of rain adds to the atmosphere and proves that you don't always need critical sharpness to make for a good image. My one (minor) criticism is that I find the lighthouse position to be a little too high in the image. Other than that, I really like it! --Mark With the recent run on lighthouses, I thought I'd submit mine. Check out my 5th Paw. Anyone know the body of water? Taken with a 600mm f4.0 FA lens in a high wind along with sideways rain. Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently? http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Thanks for taking the time Ken Waller
Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04
Bill, thanks for taking the time to look comment. I have not a clue as to what the exposure was but a 30th is a good guess given it was on Velvia and the dreariness of the day. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: RE: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04 This has a nice feel, the sense of a port in a storm works well for me, particularly the highlight of the light itself, which has a burned-in look. The composition is excellent, my only criticism there would be that I would prefer the lighthouse be a bit further into the frame - to the right. I think the breaking wave in the center would have benefited from a bit longer exposure to my eye. Was it about 30th of a second? Overall, it's another of kwaller's hits. Oh, and it's Gitchie Goomie (sp?) -Original Message- From: Kenneth Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 25, 2004 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04 With the recent run on lighthouses, I thought I'd submit mine. Check out my 5th Paw. Anyone know the body of water? Taken with a 600mm f4.0 FA lens in a high wind along with sideways rain. Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently? http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Thanks for taking the time Ken Waller
RE: Wideangle lens choice
--- Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pentax 15mm is not a particular sharp lens which is crucial for DSLR. Thank you, Pentax 15mm goes off my list and reduces confusion. Regards, Ramesh Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan I am planning to buy *istD and so looking at the wide angle lens to replace my 24mm. I find replacements are too expensive and have some doubts. I was looking at 15mm lenses. Most of these wide angle lenses have bulby front element. How this design affects flare? How to fit the filters in the front? I usually use nuetral graduated filter. Pentax 16-45mm does not seem to have bulby front element and seems more filter friendly. Am I correct? I have to pick one among Pentax 16-45mm, Sigma 12-24mm and Pentax A 15mm. Pentax 16-45mm looks value for money, I heard it has abberations at 16mm. Is it a good idea to use the zoom lens at its extreams ends? Can somebody pls compare Pentax 16-45mm with Pentax A 15mm? Any comparison b/w Pentax 16-45mm, Sigma 12-24mm is also welcome. Thanks Ramesh _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04
Frank, thanks for taking the time to look and comment. It is Lake Superior, imho the most superior of all the Great Lakes. I caught the light and the wave through perserverance and a lot of Velvia. Actually it was so stormy that day that the waves were no problem at all, just shoot when the light was visible - btw the other side of the lantern had a red light in it which I also caught, but it looks unnatural like I added it i Photoshop. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04 Ken, I've not a clue as to the body of water. I'm guessing Great Lakes somewhere (hey, that narrows it down, eh?), only due to your proximity to same. Other than that, I dunno. Love both the photo and the lighthouse. It looks so charming and domestic. Lighthouse with the emphasis on house. Terrific that you caught that wave just at the right moment; really give the impression of tempest I think. How the hell did you co-ordinate the light and the waves? g Wow!! Comp is perfect, as is pretty much everything else. Except (a very small except) it seems a bit hazy. I think it's my monitor. Or, maybe it was a hazy, rainy day, and you shot with a long lens which exacerbated the (minor) problem. I really like this, just like everything else you post. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:47:42 -0500 With the recent run on lighthouses, I thought I'd submit mine. Check out my 5th Paw. Anyone know the body of water? Taken with a 600mm f4.0 FA lens in a high wind along with sideways rain. Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently? http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Thanks for taking the time Ken Waller _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Paw#7Bph
Frank,You nearly cost me money for a new set of readers(glasses).If I had known blur etc.was ok I could have sent lots more in.Said Jocularly.Well it defininitely gives a sense of motion. Regards Chris K
Re: tele extenders
how does the A* 600 f5.6 perform wide open and why did you pick this one over any of the 600 f4 lenses? the price difference isn't that large once you have decided to spend that much. Herb - Original Message - From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:42 AM Subject: RE: tele extenders I have the 600 f5.6, Herb. What would you like to know?
Sydney PDML Meetining
Any Sydney or Central Coast PDMLers who are interested,Stan Halpin Rob S . David Nelson and myself, to mention a few are having a get together at Doyles on the Beach Watsons Bay this Sunday Night at 7.p.m.Should be a great evening so come along if you are so disposed and show what our hospitality can be to others. Regards Chris Kennedy Ph:02-93639908 if interested.
Re: tele extenders
Herb, I'm sure I've shot the 600mm at smaller apertures, but by far, most of my shots with it have been the lens wide open. I've not done any lens testing on this lens but I've found nothing to complain about as far as lens performance. I gotten very good landscape shots with this lens wide open. I believe fellow Michigander Bill Sawyer has the 600mm f5.6. I don't know if he has coupled it with any converters yet. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:21 AM Subject: Re: tele extenders OK, i have the A1.4X-L now but no lens to fit it to yet. i will be getting the A1.4-S pretty soon. i have on my radar a couple of lenses that the L converter will fit. how is the 600 f4 wide open? i know that such lenses generally are optimized for use wide open. do yuo know anyone that has used the A* 600 f5.6? as you can tell, i am on the hunt for * lenses of various vintages. Herb... - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: tele extenders It's the 1.4X-S on the 300mm f4.5 FA and the 1.4X-L on the 600mm f4.0 FA. I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm!
Re: tele extenders
VVVBG I even sometimes remember to look throught the small end! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tele extenders I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm! Yes, the sequence is ~very~ important - if you put the TC on the ~front~ of the 600, you get some really serious vignetting - vbg. Fred
Re: tele extenders
Its also not good to try to put the L convertor on the 300mm f4.5 FA! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tele extenders Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used them both, in the proper sequence, on the 600mm for 1176mm! Yes, the sequence is ~very~ important - if you put the TC on the ~front~ of the 600, you get some really serious vignetting - vbg. I believe he meant the sequence of the two teleconverters. You can't put the 'L' teleconverter behind the 'S' teleconverter because of the snout. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Wideangle lens choice
- Original Message - From: Ramesh Kumar Subject: RE: Wideangle lens choice --- Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pentax 15mm is not a particular sharp lens which is crucial for DSLR. Thank you, Pentax 15mm goes off my list and reduces confusion. The 15mm may not be paticularly sharp (whatever that means), but you might want to see how sharp it is compared to the 16-45mm, or the Stigma thingie. Wide angle lenses in general are not all that great when compared to more normal focal lengths. All things should be compared relatively to other things similar. Consider also if you will want the lens for 35mm film use. If you do, then the 16-45 isn't all that grand, since it is unusable for a good chunk of it's focal range with a film camera, and also doen't have an aperture ring, which may limit it's usefulness. From Stans site, regarding the A 15mm f/3.5: Sharpness and light falloff are terrible wide open but improve greatly when stopped down by any amount. The lens has a ton of contrast . . . David A. Mann - . . . Light fall off with the istD wouldn't be so much of a problem, since most of the fall off will be outside the sensor anyway. Most Pentax lenses aren't the greatest wide open. What may be more of an issue is the cost of the 15mm. It is still available as a new item, but there is a 6 week wait, and the cost is some four times that of the 16-45. The only way to really see if one lens or the other will suit your needs is to try both under your normal shooting conditions and look at the pictures they make. I hope this helps with your confusion. William Robb
Re: tele extenders
although the L fits the FA* 400 f5.6 and seems to work so long as you don't focus too close. Herb... - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: tele extenders Its also not good to try to put the L convertor on the 300mm f4.5 FA!
Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04
Peter, I appreciate you taking the time to look and comment on this image. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04 It looks a bit washed out to my eye, there's so much drama in the water I think I'd like to have seen a bit more contrast with a darker sky. Kenneth Waller wrote: With the recent run on lighthouses, I thought I'd submit mine. Check out my 5th Paw. Anyone know the body of water? Taken with a 600mm f4.0 FA lens in a high wind along with sideways rain. Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently? http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Thanks for taking the time Ken Waller
Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site I like simple ... it's all I know how to write at this point. Hate frames, but it's been suggested that CSS (Cascading Style Sheets?) is a good way to write code. I do want to avoid Flash at all costs God, do I hate that crap, especially on slow machines with dial-up connections. What exactly is javascript? I see it all over the place ... what does it do, what can it do, that makes so many people use it? CSS is a great way to unify a web site, since you can make global changes to the look of the site by altering one file. As long as the browser supports it. Otherwise, your website defaults to the browser settings, which may not be so good. Javascript is a relatively simple programming language that can make web sites work more smoothly. If you are using a frameset, javascript is pretty much a necessity to control what each frame will do when a link is invoked. I'm a big fan of tables, since they can be used to hold 2 different things relative to each other (as an example, a picture and the caption below it), and is controllable by either a pixel count (not so good as it is screen size dependant for look) or by percentage (much better, as it no longer matters what the screen size is). Anyway, thats just what I think. William Robb
Re: tele extenders
Herb, before I purchased the S convertor for my 300mm f4.5 FA, I spent some time with Pentax Colorado trying to determine the recommended usage. There was confusing literature out there and it took them a while to come up with the correct application info. IIR, it went something like the S is to be used on lenses shorter than 300mm except for the 300mm f 4.5, in other words not on the 300 f2.8 and 400, 500 600 mm lenses. Physically, I believe you could cause damage to the lens by trying to fit the L onto lenses where the S was recommended. The L has a significantly longer snout and would contact lens elements on those lenses. S you should get the L out of there. GRIN Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tele extenders although the L fits the FA* 400 f5.6 and seems to work so long as you don't focus too close. Herb... - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: tele extenders Its also not good to try to put the L convertor on the 300mm f4.5 FA!
RE: tele extenders
Herb, I bought it used from KEH, $2400, which is about the upper end of what I would pay for any single hobby-related item. I couldn't afford an f4 version unless it were heavily discounted due to condition. I've never seen one like that. I find it quite sharp, though have nothing against which to compare. Fred Wasti has one also, and I bought it based on his recommendations, which I value. Ken Waller has the f4 and lives nearby, maybe someday we can do a comparison. It has one structural flaw that I think is serious - the tripod mount is at the very back end of the lens, near the aperture ring. It is a real stove pipe of a lens, long and thin. The slightest jitter is magnified out to the end of the lens, thus making a relatively big arc. Though the lens is light, I don't think my ball head is adequate - it needs something that clamps it down very tight and on a large, non-rotating base. If you're on a budget, though, it's a good ticket for a 600mm lens. But get the f4 if you have the money. -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 26, 2004 7:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: tele extenders how does the A* 600 f5.6 perform wide open and why did you pick this one over any of the 600 f4 lenses? the price difference isn't that large once you have decided to spend that much. Herb - Original Message - From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:42 AM Subject: RE: tele extenders I have the 600 f5.6, Herb. What would you like to know?
Re: taking a break for a while...
- Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson Subject: Re: taking a break for a while... Yes. He was showing contempt to the whole PDML in the most blatant breach of the most basic PDML rule there is: Don't use the list for your own political propaganda! I direct you to the following link, where you say quote but from now on politics is a legitimate subject matter on this list too. /unquote http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg138684.html So, the problem doesn't seem to be with the act of making a political statement, but with your disagreement with Mr Brendemuehl's politics and your pathological desire to drown out anyone who disagrees with you. And you called me a hypocrite? I guess it takes one to know one. Did you win the election, BTW? And do your constituents know about how easily you disregard the rights of free speech when it suits you? Regards William Robb
Re: tele extenders
well, i know about the greater than and less than 300mm specification for the L and S extenders. i focused the entire range on the 400 f5.6 by hand without a camera attached to see the range of travel. it looks like i can focus to about 15 feet or so before the rear element would hit the L converter. in MF mode, the focus clutch slips as soon as it encounters resistance. the lens end of the L converter is covered with rubber where the retaining ring/cylinder holding the rear element of the lens would contact. from what i can see, i would not damage anything in MF mode hitting the rear element cylinder against the rubber ring, but it would be inelegant. i have to use an S converter on my FA* 80-200 f2.8 because the rear element is fixed and right up against the lens mount. Herb... - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: tele extenders Herb, before I purchased the S convertor for my 300mm f4.5 FA, I spent some time with Pentax Colorado trying to determine the recommended usage. There was confusing literature out there and it took them a while to come up with the correct application info. IIR, it went something like the S is to be used on lenses shorter than 300mm except for the 300mm f 4.5, in other words not on the 300 f2.8 and 400, 500 600 mm lenses. Physically, I believe you could cause damage to the lens by trying to fit the L onto lenses where the S was recommended. The L has a significantly longer snout and would contact lens elements on those lenses.
Re: tele extenders
that is a pretty serious flaw. there are devices designed to solve the problem for not a lot of money, so you could get one of them. i'm going to be using a Wimberley head so that part of the equation will be taken care of. well, i haven't seen an A* 600 f5.6 on the used market yet, but i haven't been looking long. yes, i have the budget to afford the FA* 600 f4, but i was wondering what i would lose by going older, MF, and losing a stop. my lens will come in, so to speak, in the early fall this year and i have to decide what to get. the FA* 600 f4 is one choice. the other choice is to get the FA* 250-600 f5.6. whatever i get will be used almost exclusively with my *istD. there is a slight chance i can get both. Herb - Original Message - From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: RE: tele extenders It has one structural flaw that I think is serious - the tripod mount is at the very back end of the lens, near the aperture ring. It is a real stove pipe of a lens, long and thin. The slightest jitter is magnified out to the end of the lens, thus making a relatively big arc. Though the lens is light, I don't think my ball head is adequate - it needs something that clamps it down very tight and on a large, non-rotating base. If you're on a budget, though, it's a good ticket for a 600mm lens. But get the f4 if you have the money.
Pentax quotes and SLR production stats
Pentax representatives were invited to a financial advisors conference by a place whose web site is http://www.clsa.com. the conference was held in Tokyo on March 19, 2004. Jiro Okamura, Manager of Investor Relations Group for Pentax, had these things to say about Pentax: 1) growth in the company is driven by medical products and not by digital still cameras. 2) digital still cameras, the second biggest factor in revenue, remains profitable. however, relatively small market share limits growth going forward. DSLR sales are falling short of projections because of stiff competition. 3) medical products are a stable cash cow for Pentax with endoscopes being the largest factor. 70% of all Pentax's endoscope sales are in the US. 4) most of the company's growth for FY 2004 will be from medical products. if you go and check statistics at http://www.cipa.co.jp/english, you will see that in 2002, Japanese manufacturers produced about 3.3 million film SLRs. there are no breakout figures for DSLR production but there have been sources estimating about 400,000 DSLRs sold world wide in 2002. for 2003, these manufacturers produced just under 2.3 million film SLRs. DSLRs have a category of their own and there were about 820,00 units produced. according to Canon press releases, they sold about 600,000 DSLRs last year and accounted for 70% of the market, most of which were the Digital Rebel model. Nikon accounted for almost all of the remaining 30%. Canon, in the same press release, said that they plan to manufacture about 1.1 million DSLRs in 2004. if you believe Nikon's production capacity for D70 cameras, they are aiming to do about 900,000 in 2004. if we assume that the total SLR market for 2004 is about 3.8 million units, DSLRs will outsell film SLRs this year. if not this year, they certainly will next year. FYI for those of you that care, in 2002, all Japanese manufacturers produced 2,366 medium and large format cameras. in 2003, they produced 709. Herb...
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Ken,Lovely shot.I hope you didn't catch cold Regards Chris K
Re: taking a break for a while...
I've stayed out of this so far, but shut the hell up. Lasse Karlsson wrote: From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's look at the facts, boys and girls. Fact #1. The sig file was not addressed to Lasse personally, it was sent to the entire PDML. Yes. He was showing contempt to the whole PDML in the most blatant breach of the most basic PDML rule there is: Don't use the list for your own political propaganda! However, that's exactly what he was doing, deliberately making sure his political message would roll in to the eyes of everyone who'd open a message labelled My own DOF confusion or Active Image communication, and every other message he was about to post under every misleading subject line but OT: American Right Wing Domestic International Political Propaganda! This was the first message where I last Friday first encountered it, looking for a message on image communication: From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: OT: Active image communication http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040319/D81DLQJ84.html Check out the Nokia device. This device set begins a neat theme in home image management. CRB Keep an eye on the Left. They complain any time we go after any group that hates America. They were ambivalent about going after Al Queda going into Afghanistan. They really opposed overthrowing Marxists like Aristide and Saddam Hussein, et al. After all, they share a common goal with the former and common world view with the latter. -- just me [End of message] Fact #2. Lasse did not like the sig file, and accused its author of being full of shit. What I was reacting against was not the direction of the political propaganda, except for it dealing with principally the most controversial subject on today's political agenda: U.S. warfare etc., but against the fact that one list member showed such overt contempt of the whole idea of the PDML as a friendly, international, non-political mailing list on Pentax etc.. Had the direction been leftist, I would have acted exactly the same way. Whether I agree with the content or not is beside the question. Whether it was called a sig file or not is totally irrelevant, as the practical consequences are the same. (The fact that it was a sig file mattered only in the sense that you knew the political message was going to be repeated over and over. This would of course only make the matters worse.) As soon as I saw it I responded: What's this crap doing on the PDML? You sent it Collin. You explain. Lasse There was no response or explanation although other, later posts in the same thread was responded to by Collin, I didn't know whether he simply chose to ignore my question, or if he'd realize what the message of it was. I was hoping for the latter. However, shortly afterwards I wanted to take part in the discussion on DOF and met this: You might also notice another DOF difference that's obvious when one thinks about it. A lens @ max aperture f3.5 is automatically SHOWING more DOF in finder than a 1.7! So you always SEE more right from the start! It would be like keeping your 1.7 lens @ 3.5 and holding in the DOF Preview all the time. Same thing. CRB -- Keep an eye on the Left. They complain any time we go after any group that hates America. They were ambivalent about going after Al Queda going into Afghanistan. They really opposed overthrowing Marxists like Aristide and Saddam Hussein, et al. After all, they share a common goal with the former and common world view with the latter. -- just me Both paragraphs filling an equal share of my mailreader window. My conclusion was that this person had deliberately chosen and set out to use the PDML for his own political mission. Questions, like the one I posted in my first message, was and would be ignored. Such behaviour amounts to trolling in my book. A troll is to me a low down creature in a similar way that I find terrorists are. They spit at us all in our faces. In the meantime I had in private, in response to the question I had posed to Collin, from a fellow list member received the following explanation: He's so full of shit it has finally overflowed. I thought this be a very plausible explanation, why I sent the following message: Do you know what they say about you, Collin? They say that you are so full of shit that it's finally overflowed. Is this true? Just curious, Lasse His response: You'll get over it. My response: No, I won't, you arrogant little piece of shit! Not as long as you keep trolling, littering this list and pissing in decent list member's faces with your moronic American right wing preachings. Lasse His response: Trolling? That was my sig. Nothing more. The insults and demeaning remarks are unsuitable and lack civility. Preaching? Did I hurt your feelings somehow? Did that little thought jump out and bite you? Right wing? Somewhat. But I
