Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Graywolf wrote: Many of us here on the list sound a lot like those folks who screamed because their car no longer came with a starting crank. I still do, but it was only a few years ago. I'm still getting used to wind up windows. Isn't technology great :-) Malcolm
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Ah so. Nikon is still hungery! I assume this is 35mm sized? John --- Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp Velly intellesting - they've used CMOS sensor for the first time :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek = John Bailey `:^)
Re: istDs - bouquet
MLU is the forgotten anti-shake technology used in the obsolete g analog cameras! John --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't give one whit about the frame rate (anything would be quicker than my TLR) or the lack of MLU (that's what the B setting and black velvet are for). Just to nit-pick: The MLU doesn't really make any difference at exposure times long enough to be achieved with B setting and black velvet; it's at exposures between 1/2 second and 1/30 that it's most useful. = John Bailey `:^)
Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera
Wow. What were they thinking. Must have been in the pipeline and would have cost more to kill it than to sell a couple thousand and then kill it. Graywolf wrote: http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm He, he, told you so...
Re: PESO: landscape
Very interesting photo Juan. Is it partially a painting or bill board at the bottom.? Very interesting colours and lines. I like the glass thingy bottom leftish. Dave With apologies to both Adams and Eggleston, a silly picture of beautiful Wyoming: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/444987/ *ist D, FA35/2, quick Photoshop job to match the sky colors. BTW, as I said before I'm driving across the US. I've been blogging a bit about it at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog , if anyone cares what I'm up to. Cheers, j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
Re: PESO: Wasp at Supper
Fred that 33L is pretty sharp.Detail is great. Looks like he's ready to run a race. Nice one Dave Brooks After dinner I was sitting out on my deck enjoying a coffee when I noticed a wasp on my wooden patio table. It was walking around a knot hole and it appeared to be chewing on the wood. I grabbed my Optio 33L, put it into maro mode and took a few shots before it flew off. Here's one of the resulting images. http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall/wasp.html This was cropped from the original image and then resized to 600 pixels. Looks like a very messy eater but it has a very interesting face (snout?). Hope you like it. -- Fred Widall, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall --
Re: PESO - Disembodied
Very nice shot. The various straight lines are very captivating. The shaows work to. Gives it some errie depth. Dave http://www.g0nz.com/images/shadows.jpg Comments, criticisms, ridicule, etc. welcome. Praise too! rg
Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers
See, this is why i want to get a smaller digital camera.If i tried this with the D2h they would have been home by the time i was ready.LOL Nice shot Jens. The bouy on the right adds to the shot for depth i think. Nice coloues. Dave Brooks On my way home from work, I drove by the local Yact Club, when the weather suddenly changed to rain. I came across these wind surfers: http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7576484.html Comments welcome All the best Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
Re: PAW: just a flower shot
Well it's not a snap dragon, why would he expect it to snap at him. Cotty took a deap breath and gave forth:: On 16/9/04, Boros Attila, discombobulated, unleashed: http://ns.atn.ro/~attila/album/view.php?i=6 This is also from the botanical garden. Perhaps someone who knows flowers better than me could confirm if it is really a Hibiscus as I think, or something else. Attila Nice but needs a faster shutter speed to freeze the action ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Actually I believe that it is counter survival for them. But that's only my belief. You can believe anything you want. Paul Stenquist wrote: Trying it is one thing. Using it every day is another. When you use it every day, it becomes second nature. You don't even realize you're doing it. After 8 months or so with the *istD, It feels just like an LX in ap priority mode when I use it with K or M lenses. My finger just pops the green button from time to time. I don't even think about doing it. It's not an inconvenience. And I don't resent Pentax for providing some motivation to buy new lenses. They have to if they want to survive. That is not unethical. On Sep 16, 2004, at 2:31 AM, Peter J. Alling wrote: Paul, I have tried it, I know exactly how easy it is to use, (and in many circumstances it is more than adequate), but it still pisses me off that the Camera was purposefully pprevented from fully using the K/M lenses. I understand exactly how John feels. It is the main reason that I don't actually own an *ist-d right now. Paul Stenquist wrote: Once again, you don't know how easy it is to operate the *istD because you haven't tried it. It sounded complicated to me as well, but I've found it to be very intuitive. Try it, you'll like it. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:49 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: KX and MX are not AE cameras so the *istD AE may be easier than the KX or MX, but the *istD metered manual mode cant be as good as the KX or MX because those cameras offer open aperture metered manual ON THE FLY realtime continously, JCO -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt inconvenienced. As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D is much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for which these lenses were originally intended. Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get out and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: BIIIIG prints - *istD style
Just use Genuine Fractals trial version, good up to 20 images (then it stops). For really big prints (and even upsizing to e.g. 400 dpi Noritsu prints at 30x40cm), it works better than just plain bicubic. Or at least use Lanczos interpolation (in freeware IrfanView), it's quite better than just bicubic as well. fra
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
keller.schaefer mused: If I remember correctly, operating the DOF preview lever around the shutter release does the same than the green button in manual on the *ist D. No - the DOF preview lever also activates the metering circuitry (so you can check to see what the camera thinks the exposure would be), but it doesn't change the selected shutter speed. I think that's a good thing - there has to be a way to check the effect of the current settings without altering any of them. I'd hate it if the DOF preview changed my carefully-selected shutter speed, just as I'd hate it if it activated the AF circuitry and changed my carefully-selected focus.
OT Adobe Pagemaker (PC platform)
Hi, If anyone has any expertise in the above, I am in desperate need of assistance. Off list, please. mike
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Hi, Malcolm Smith wrote: Graywolf wrote: Many of us here on the list sound a lot like those folks who screamed because their car no longer came with a starting crank. I still do, but it was only a few years ago. I'm still getting used to wind up windows. Isn't technology great :-) No. The only problem I've ever had with sliding windows is when the moss gets too thick in the groove. m
Re: PAW: just a flower shot
Hi, Peter J. Alling wrote: Well it's not a snap dragon, why would he expect it to snap at him. Cotty took a deap breath and gave forth:: On 16/9/04, Boros Attila, discombobulated, unleashed: http://ns.atn.ro/~attila/album/view.php?i=6 This is also from the botanical garden. Perhaps someone who knows flowers better than me could confirm if it is really a Hibiscus as I think, or something else. Sure is. The shirt I'm wearing is covered in them. National flower of Malaysia, I think. mike
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Yes, you do like the odd mass-debate! A. On 16/9/04 8:09 pm, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I voice my opinions. If you have a problem with my points, argue the points. To say I just argue to argue isnt valid. I argue the things I feel strongly about, not to just get in debates. JCO
Re: Mailing list problems
Brian, messages to and from the list have been dissapearing for a few months now. Nobody seems to know why. A. On 16/9/04 4:41 pm, Brian Dipert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hoping this makes it to the list; I'll check the archives later to see if it did. I haven't gotten digest postings since sometime Sunday. Emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] have not been responded to, nor have attempts to re-subscribe (via [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I'm still getting hundreds of emails per day so I don't think the problem is on my end. What's going on? == Brian Dipert Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 454-5242 (voice), (617) 558-4470 (fax) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com
Re: Mounting Slides
Hi, J Mason wrote: Any suggestions / tutorials for mounting slides at home? Best way to trim the frames? Sources for plastic slide mounts? Funny you should ask, Shel. I've just been mounting slides for the first time. Shot about 30 rolls of slide film in South Africa over the summer. The quite wonderful lab that I used didn't mount, unless I paid extra. I was happy with the sleeved strips, since they were easier to bring back to the States. Getting back from the lab unmounted is also my preference because I am scanning more then projecting at present. It's also one less process for them to foul up. I've only ever had two major foulups - one involved the film being put upside down in the dunk tank and one involved some night time shots being cut in the middle of frames. Needed to mount the slides to be able to show to my students in class, so off I went to my favorite camera shop. Bill, the ever-helpful proprietor, gave me a five minute lesson and let me borrow what Bob calls... specialist mounting equipment, with inbuilt lights and guillotines etc I have fund that, unless you are using gear towards the more expensive end of the spectrum, scissors and time are the best tools for mounting. Intimidating at first, so I tried lightbox and scissors. Very slow. Very tedious. And, disturbingly, not terribly accurate. Practice makes better, at least. Cheap gear cuts badly, blades fall out and it is generally more nervewracking than using scissors. So I turned on the mounting machine and went to work. Took just a few minutes to get comfortable. Cuts were more accurate and the process went more quickly. That sounds like the better quality machinery. Whole thing turned out to be tremendously satisfying. One other thing. If you are going to project slides and you think that you have some good, keeper type images, I would recommend that you project copies. Each of them is unique - once it's been mangled in a projector or melted by heat getting past the missing heat shield or fungussed itself into oblivion after the projectionist has mauled it, it's gone. Too late then to make a copy.
AW: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
You are right ... but it SOUNDS the same ;-) Sven -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. September 2004 20:27 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!) keller.schaefer mused: If I remember correctly, operating the DOF preview lever around the shutter release does the same than the green button in manual on the *ist D. No - the DOF preview lever also activates the metering circuitry (so you can check to see what the camera thinks the exposure would be), but it doesn't change the selected shutter speed. I think that's a good thing - there has to be a way to check the effect of the current settings without altering any of them. I'd hate it if the DOF preview changed my carefully-selected shutter speed, just as I'd hate it if it activated the AF circuitry and changed my carefully-selected focus.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. What you're saying is, a digi camera body the size of the MZ-D had the room, and they did it, why not the ist-DS? I don't know how the MZ-D compared to the ist-DS. The -D is considered small, in comparison to a number of cameras. The -DS is even smaller than that... So, I couldn't judge unless I was privy to a phantom or breakaway view of them, side by side. I think that if the design team had approached the system design with including K-mount capability from the beginning, what you say is true. However, if the design was essentially complete when the question arose--what about the K-mount backward compatibility? Stranger things have happened with new products... We may someday know the truth. keith Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? The camera is essentially a mechanical film body without a film advance and with an electronic sensor in place of the film. There is no more going on around the mount area than on any previous K mount bodies. The interface to the electronic system would have been a doddle and so would the software integration. Lets face they though it enough of a problem for the punters to implement the green button kludge after the fact . I bet that cause some debate and consternation in house, particularly in marketing (as they had essentially won to that point). My speculation only of course but I haven't heard any more logical arguments to date. Rob Studdert
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
On 16/9/04, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: I voice my opinions. If you have a problem with my points, argue the points. To say I just argue to argue isnt valid. I argue the things I feel strongly about, not to just get in debates. Excuse me but is the 5 minute argument or the full half hour? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
I still do, but it was only a few years ago. I'm still getting used to wind up windows. Isn't technology great :-) mw No. The only problem I've ever had with sliding windows is when the mw moss gets too thick in the groove. Hm, what's a wind-up window? Best windows are of course the opening kind ;-) (I mean the normal ones, err, the most common ones, err, or is it otherwise in your country g, the ones which open to the outside or inside completely) Good light! fra
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 9:41:58 PM, Cotty wrote: C On 16/9/04, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed: I voice my opinions. If you have a problem with my points, argue the points. To say I just argue to argue isnt valid. I argue the things I feel strongly about, not to just get in debates. C Excuse me but is the 5 minute argument or the full half hour? I am sorry sir, but your time is up... :) Good light! fra
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Hi, Hm, what's a wind-up window? Best windows are of course the opening kind ;-) (I mean the normal ones, err, the most common ones, err, or is it otherwise in your country g, the ones which open to the outside or inside completely) In World of Mike car windows have a metal lip on the top which his chauffeur uses to pull the window down, and push it up again. Rather like the windows on steam locomotive doors. Some cars apparently now have a winding mechanism based on cogs and wires. Mike is referring to this. Rumour has it that one day even these may be replaced by a small motor powered by Mr. Faraday's electricity, with a switch near the chauffeur which will permit him to control the fenestral uppage and downage from his driving position. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Hi, Frantisek wrote: Hm, what's a wind-up window? Best windows are of course the opening kind ;-) (I mean the normal ones, err, the most common ones, err, or is it otherwise in your country g, the ones which open to the outside or inside completely) We are talking about cars. Electric, manual windup or sliding windows. Your preference on a postcard to; The great window compatibility issue Customer Relations Pentax Mongolia Ulan Baator A postcard picked at random will qualify the sender to two weeks in a Yurt in January. With an *ist Ds, two 4Gb cards and a set of batteries (flat). All the dried reindeer meat and curdled milk you can stomach.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Bob W wrote: Hi, Hm, what's a wind-up window? Best windows are of course the opening kind ;-) (I mean the normal ones, err, the most common ones, err, or is it otherwise in your country g, the ones which open to the outside or inside completely) In World of Mike car windows have a metal lip on the top which his chauffeur uses to pull the window down, and push it up again. Rather like the windows on steam locomotive doors. Some cars apparently now have a winding mechanism based on cogs and wires. Mike is referring to this. Rumour has it that one day even these may be replaced by a small motor powered by Mr. Faraday's electricity, with a switch near the chauffeur which will permit him to control the fenestral uppage and downage from his driving position. I suppose you've got one of those infernal combustion engines instead of a proper one with the flames on the outside, making steam as God intended. No good will come of it, I tell you.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
I love watching you guys kick the shit out of each other. Really entertaining. On 16/9/04 12:40 am, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements. Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO -Original Message- From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! Dude, Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows you to use 30+ year old lenses? That is the beauty of the Pentax system. If you want full compatibility, then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do with Nikon, Canon, etc. For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD. You can't beat the market prices and picture quality of Pentax MK lenses! --- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more like one shot AE with exposure lock only. Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE both open aperture for approximately the last 30 years. You say you want to move forward with digital but this major operational feature removal is acceptable? JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt inconvenienced. Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, -ON THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and M lenses. I use them nearly every day. as Good ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse. It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the K mount is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this is old argument JCO -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good? Shel From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now. Hmmm just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the equipment drawer should make a pretty nice normal lens for the istDS. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
So why are you seling off all your screw moung gear if it is so good? A. On 15/9/04 10:03 pm, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spotmatic wasn't AE, It is not simpler than the spot F for manual operation and not as simple as the ES/ESII for auto operation. Why are you comparing to screwmounts anyway. This is a bayonet camera and nearly every bayonet camera Pentax ever made fully supported K/M lenses except for a few Super budget models which the *istD is not. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! It doesn't. But it stops down, meters and sets your shutter speed for the chosen ap at a touch of the green button. No big inconvenience. It's simpler than a Spotmatic because the button is close to the shutter and easily depressed. Paul I am very curious as to how the *istD could EVER fully support the K/M mount lenses when it doesn't have the sorely missed aperture sensing cam, a $10 part found even in the cheapie K1000. Without knowing the relative aperture setting , how can the camera ever do open aperture metering? JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and M lenses. I use them nearly every day. as Good ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse. It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the K mount is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this is old argument JCO -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good? Shel From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only if the K/M support is at least as good as the *ist-D has now. Hmmm just thinking out loud here ... that M24~35 zoom in the equipment drawer should make a pretty nice normal lens for the istDS.
PAW: Action in Denali
Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. Shot 18 rolls of Velvia/Provia 400F 1350 digital images with the * ist D. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. Comments solicited. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! Kenneth Waller
Re: PESO -- Miniature
And so do i.:-) It seems fitting,tight crop showing a small object in ones hands. Did you do any of the hands and object. Dave On other occasions I did. (Different year, different camera. Different miniatures, too!) ERN
RE: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot
Great job, Cotty - I am glad that I could inspire you... I haven't been hiding this photograph - I have actually posted a messages about thi vertical shot. So, I humbly admit to being part of this project, as this photograph is originally captured by me on my Pentax *istD #5774808, yesterday afternoone. I would, however, have prefered a more positive theme for this magazine cover - like, the excellence of the first Pentax DSLR - or whatever. I have discovered small spots, located at the same places on each image - that is CCD dust. I think I have removed it with a rubber air-blower. IS it OK to believe it's gone, since I took a flash photograph of my white cieling with a flash and don't see any spots? Or would they be visible in less light - e.i. a blue sky?? And - to remove any doubts - the spots on my Rainbow Surfers - are really birds - no dust! All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. september 2004 09:46 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot hahahaha - great one cotty! Tanya Mayer Photography Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 49831247 Mobile +61 0429831247 -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot This goes beyond comment. Cotty wrote: Okay, I'll bite http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: RE: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot
On 16/9/04, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: Great job, Cotty - I am glad that I could inspire you... I haven't been hiding this photograph - I have actually posted a messages about thi vertical shot. Glad you took it in good humour Jens. Thanx So, I humbly admit to being part of this project, as this photograph is originally captured by me on my Pentax *istD #5774808, yesterday afternoone. I would, however, have prefered a more positive theme for this magazine cover - like, the excellence of the first Pentax DSLR - or whatever. Yeah, well. If I start poking fun at Pentax it might ruffle a few feathers! I have discovered small spots, located at the same places on each image - that is CCD dust. I think I have removed it with a rubber air-blower. IS it OK to believe it's gone, since I took a flash photograph of my white cieling with a flash and don't see any spots? Or would they be visible in less light - e.i. a blue sky?? I have found a nice blue sky as the perfect giveaway for dust And - to remove any doubts - the spots on my Rainbow Surfers - are really birds - no dust! But of course my dear fellow ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Graywolf wrote: While I agree with you, Kostas, about posting auctions. I think we can equate top posters and bottom posters to top feeders and bottom feeders (grin). I have never commented on top-posting and I have never tried to change the way people post I have found strong correlation of irrelevant answers with top-posting and this was an example. The inverse does not necessarily hold true in my experience. I am happy with my performance (read restraint) in my previous post as Frits pushed all my wrong buttons. Kostas
Re: pdml digest mailing list problems
Brian, I have the same problem here since ~Sunday. My digest subscription has disappeared - no more emails. I've re-subscribed 2X, but no acknowledgement or email. Tuesday, I subscribed to the direct list and got 150 messages. I had to unsubscribe! Now back at the archives... The only thing I haven't tried is unsubscribing to the digest. I can still post to the list. Maybe the digest has become the no-mail option -- NOT. Regards, Bob S. I'm hoping this makes it to the list; I'll check the archives later to see if it did. I haven't gotten digest postings since sometime Sunday. Emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] have not been responded to, nor have attempts to re-subscribe (via [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I'm still getting hundreds of emails per day so I don't think the problem is on my end. What's going on?
RE: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
I am happy I got someone excited tonight! -Original Message- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 16 september 2004 23:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Graywolf wrote: While I agree with you, Kostas, about posting auctions. I think we can equate top posters and bottom posters to top feeders and bottom feeders (grin). I have never commented on top-posting and I have never tried to change the way people post I have found strong correlation of irrelevant answers with top-posting and this was an example. The inverse does not necessarily hold true in my experience. I am happy with my performance (read restraint) in my previous post as Frits pushed all my wrong buttons. Kostas
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
Wow! Great shot, Ken. I took one look and thought, Whoa, hope he shot that with the 600. At least it wasn't a hungry wolf. Looks like the bird is going to get the tender meat between those ribs. You have to print this one big, really big. Is it cropped? Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. Shot 18 rolls of Velvia/Provia 400F 1350 digital images with the * ist D. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. Comments solicited. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! Kenneth Waller
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylwester wrote: SP EOS-1Ds has similar noise level to coming from the same SP era EOS-D60 or 10D despite having much bigger pixel pitch. I think they have the same pixel pitch. Yep. The 6-megapixel APS and 11 megapixel full-frame are very close indeed.
RE: PESO: Monkey Hug
Monkey or grand child? :-) Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. september 2004 15:49 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: PESO: Monkey Hug Nice, tender moment. The flash is not harsh and really brings out the details. Mine is all grown up. Dave I enjoy shooting with my Pentax *ist D. Testerday I was looking after my grand daughter since my daughter and son in law were going to a party. When ever she (my grand daughter, Karla) comes across her beloved toy monkey, it gets a big hug! http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7285375.html Comments are welcome! All the best Jens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
An interesting rhetorical device, changing the point from the technical and or marketing reason to not include a feature to criticizing the form factor as not being able to contain it. A bush league debating trick which I'm not even going to answer. Simply put changing the subject doesn't improve you original position. There was no valid technical reason and only the sleaziest of marketing reasons to not include the mechanical coupling. Defending them does you no credit. Backward compatibility may have been an after though but that seems to be a stretch based on Pentax's previous offerings and literature. Personally I plan on buying a *ist-d[x] at some point, it is currently the only game in town if I want to stay with Pentax. However the Current *ist-D is in my opinion overpriced for a device that leaves off one of my most important features, (and you read my previous post incorrectly if you thought I felt the green button was onerous, it is annoying though since there were even better solutions to the stop down metering problem than it implemented and even more annoying since I believe that the mechanical coupling was dropped after being included in the original design). I am waiting to see if the next *ist-D version has the green button and the high frame rate of the *ist-Ds, at a minimum. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. What you're saying is, a digi camera body the size of the MZ-D had the room, and they did it, why not the ist-DS? I don't know how the MZ-D compared to the ist-DS. The -D is considered small, in comparison to a number of cameras. The -DS is even smaller than that... So, I couldn't judge unless I was privy to a phantom or breakaway view of them, side by side. I think that if the design team had approached the system design with including K-mount capability from the beginning, what you say is true. However, if the design was essentially complete when the question arose--what about the K-mount backward compatibility? Stranger things have happened with new products... We may someday know the truth. keith Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? The camera is essentially a mechanical film body without a film advance and with an electronic sensor in place of the film. There is no more going on around the mount area than on any previous K mount bodies. The interface to the electronic system would have been a doddle and so would the software integration. Lets face they though it enough of a problem for the punters to implement the green button kludge after the fact . I bet that cause some debate and consternation in house, particularly in marketing (as they had essentially won to that point). My speculation only of course but I haven't heard any more logical arguments to date. Rob Studdert -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
If he'd shot it with a shorter lens the wolf probably wouldn't have been there, they are quite shy and usually very afraid of humans, (with good reason). It is a great shot by the way. Paul Stenquist wrote: Wow! Great shot, Ken. I took one look and thought, Whoa, hope he shot that with the 600. At least it wasn't a hungry wolf. Looks like the bird is going to get the tender meat between those ribs. You have to print this one big, really big. Is it cropped? Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. Shot 18 rolls of Velvia/Provia 400F 1350 digital images with the * ist D. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. Comments solicited. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! Kenneth Waller -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
reindeer meat? Humm...? Me thinks you have your tribal lore mixed. mike wilson wrote: Hi, Frantisek wrote: Hm, what's a wind-up window? Best windows are of course the opening kind ;-) (I mean the normal ones, err, the most common ones, err, or is it otherwise in your country g, the ones which open to the outside or inside completely) We are talking about cars. Electric, manual windup or sliding windows. Your preference on a postcard to; The great window compatibility issue Customer Relations Pentax Mongolia Ulan Baator A postcard picked at random will qualify the sender to two weeks in a Yurt in January. With an *ist Ds, two 4Gb cards and a set of batteries (flat). All the dried reindeer meat and curdled milk you can stomach. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
WTF? Peter, you OK over there? Sounds like you are cracking up! LOL A. On 17/9/04 12:31 am, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting rhetorical device, changing the point from the technical and or marketing reason to not include a feature to criticizing the form factor as not being able to contain it.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
All this reminds me of that electic car they invented with a 500 mile range. The car was only $700. However the 500 mile long extension cord, a required option, was $25000. -- mike wilson wrote: Bob W wrote: Hi, Hm, what's a wind-up window? Best windows are of course the opening kind ;-) (I mean the normal ones, err, the most common ones, err, or is it otherwise in your country g, the ones which open to the outside or inside completely) In World of Mike car windows have a metal lip on the top which his chauffeur uses to pull the window down, and push it up again. Rather like the windows on steam locomotive doors. Some cars apparently now have a winding mechanism based on cogs and wires. Mike is referring to this. Rumour has it that one day even these may be replaced by a small motor powered by Mr. Faraday's electricity, with a switch near the chauffeur which will permit him to control the fenestral uppage and downage from his driving position. I suppose you've got one of those infernal combustion engines instead of a proper one with the flames on the outside, making steam as God intended. No good will come of it, I tell you. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:52:35 -0400, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. Shot 18 rolls of Velvia/Provia 400F 1350 digital images with the * ist D. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. Comments solicited. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! Love it!! The best part is the bird vbg. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
UPDATE-- Boy, I Sure Hope I Can Fix Her!
About 45 minutes spent fixing 2 broken traces on the flex-pc board above the prism and good as new! Not 100% mint, but I'd say about 99%. Even the mirror foam is still in great shape! Ohhh, Happy Happy Joy Joy, Happy Happy Joy Joy! If any of you ever has an ME, ME Super, MG, etc, just go stone dead: Pop the top off and check the front 2 or 3 traces on the flex board. Chances are that you'll find a couple broken due to the way the factory assembled the camera or if the poor thing recieved a good knock on the head. The flex gets pinched between the top cover and the sharp top of the prism, very little protection except some clear tape. I've fixed about 10 like this so far. Just jump across the breaks with very fine wire. Don (Who just loves nice shiny black cameras!) -Original Message- From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:52 PM To: PDML Subject: Boy, I Sure Hope I Can Fix Her! My latest impulse buy: http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/00mesupf.jpg http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/00mesupt.jpg http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/00mesupb.jpg Electrically dead, but *very* pretty. Don
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
Kenneth Waller wrote on 9/16/2004, 4:52 PM: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. I hate you. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. I hate you even more. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! nice shot. looks like it belongs in National Geographic. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Paul Stenquist wrote: On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You can still buy current lenses from Pentax with fully functional aperture rings, I'd like to be able to utilize the aperture ring control on the current cameras too. This I don't get, so enlighten me. Why do you need to turn the aperture ring if you can select the aperture with the cameras ap dial? What do you gain by turning the ring? Paul If that means the camera can be set to aperture priority, it seems okay. But, it's not like looking at a set of engraved white numbers and checking the D.O.F. keith
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Most of the people who think it's a problem haven't tried it. Or they tried it once and decided it wasn't an optimum solution. Use it for two weeks, and it's second nature. But the non-believers will never be convinced. Sometimes I think that some people can't be content unless they have something to rail against. But that's just me, and I could be wrong. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:18 PM, John Forbes wrote: What bugs me about this argument is that it is so easy to use the green button. Most of my lenses are Ms, and I really don't think it's a problem. Anybody would think Pentax had shot somebody's grandmother from the fuss that's being made. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:07:30 -0400, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point, John. I use pigeons instead of sell phones and K glass instead of FA, but I'm right up to date on everything else. vbg Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:44 PM, John Forbes wrote: What rubbish. How long do you want Pentax to keep supporting a product which is now almost 30 years old? There IS a cost to it, and for most people, there is no benefit. For those who want to use K and M lenses, the green button solution is perfectly adequate. If you want something better, for God's sake buy a newer lens. Are you still wearing the clothes you bought 30 years ago? Driving the same car? Using the same music system? Calculating with a pencil? Typing on a type-writer? Using pigeons instead of a mobile phone? I don't think so. You've had a damn good ride. Please don't put up the cost of my camera because you insist on using ancient glass on yours. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:31:32 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting rhetorical device, changing the point from the technical and or marketing reason to not include a feature to criticizing the form factor as not being able to contain it. A bush league debating trick which I'm not even going to answer. Simply put changing the subject doesn't improve you original position. There was no valid technical reason and only the sleaziest of marketing reasons to not include the mechanical coupling. Defending them does you no credit. Backward compatibility may have been an after though but that seems to be a stretch based on Pentax's previous offerings and literature. Personally I plan on buying a *ist-d[x] at some point, it is currently the only game in town if I want to stay with Pentax. However the Current *ist-D is in my opinion overpriced for a device that leaves off one of my most important features, (and you read my previous post incorrectly if you thought I felt the green button was onerous, it is annoying though since there were even better solutions to the stop down metering problem than it implemented and even more annoying since I believe that the mechanical coupling was dropped after being included in the original design). I am waiting to see if the next *ist-D version has the green button and the high frame rate of the *ist-Ds, at a minimum. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. What you're saying is, a digi camera body the size of the MZ-D had the room, and they did it, why not the ist-DS? I don't know how the MZ-D compared to the ist-DS. The -D is considered small, in comparison to a number of cameras. The -DS is even smaller than that... So, I couldn't judge unless I was privy to a phantom or breakaway view of them, side by side. I think that if the design team had approached the system design with including K-mount capability from the beginning, what you say is true. However, if the design was essentially complete when the question arose--what about the K-mount backward compatibility? Stranger things have happened with new products... We may someday know the truth. keith Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? The camera is essentially a mechanical film body without a film advance and with an electronic sensor in place of the film. There is no more going on around the mount area than on any previous K mount bodies. The interface to the electronic system would have been a doddle and so would the software integration. Lets face they though it enough of a problem for the punters to implement the green button kludge after the fact . I bet that cause some debate and consternation in house, particularly in marketing (as they had essentially won to that point). My speculation only of course but I haven't heard any more logical arguments to date. Rob Studdert -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 10:22:23 PM, Bob wrote: BW Hi, Hm, what's a wind-up window? Best windows are of course the opening kind ;-) (I mean the normal ones, err, the most common ones, err, or is it otherwise in your country g, the ones which open to the outside or inside completely) BW In World of Mike car windows have a metal lip on the top which his chauffeur BW uses to pull the window down, and push it up again. Rather like the windows BW on steam locomotive doors. BW Some cars apparently now have a winding mechanism based on cogs and BW wires. Mike is referring to this. BW Rumour has it that one day even these may be replaced by a small motor BW powered by Mr. Faraday's electricity, with a switch near the chauffeur BW which will permit him to control the fenestral uppage and downage from his BW driving position. Oh. I thought you were referring to _house_ windows... Than again, what's a car ;-) ? Good light! fra
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
Peter, thanks for looking commenting. You're correct about the lens comment. I've shot enough animal dots with less lens to really appreciate the 600mm. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling Subject: Re: PAW: Action in Denali If he'd shot it with a shorter lens the wolf probably wouldn't have been there, they are quite shy and usually very afraid of humans, (with good reason). It is a great shot by the way. Paul Stenquist wrote: Wow! Great shot, Ken. I took one look and thought, Whoa, hope he shot that with the 600. At least it wasn't a hungry wolf. Looks like the bird is going to get the tender meat between those ribs. You have to print this one big, really big. Is it cropped? Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. Shot 18 rolls of Velvia/Provia 400F 1350 digital images with the * ist D. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. Comments solicited. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! Kenneth Waller -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
You put it the wrong way. It should read: It's too bad BW is pretty much worthless for digital. ;-) ;-) Shel Belinkoff wrote: While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW.
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
You put it the wrong way. It should read: It's too bad BW is pretty much withless for digital. ;-) ;-) Shel Belinkoff wrote: While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW.
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
Please bring the print to our next Detroit PDML meeting. I'd love to see it. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Paul, Thanks for looking commenting. This was taken from a height of about a couple of hundred feet. I actually sat for a while, with the wolf in the far distance as she (my original post incorrectly stated it was a male) gave the once over to the overall scene before she came in on the kill - a very cautious animal. There were four other wolves in sight but only one other adult dared to come in on the kill. Wolves have gotten a bad rap as being aggressive around humans. I have read in several places that there has never been a documented case of a healthy wolf attacking a human. The posted image is full frame. I haven't printed it yet but I will - 12X 18. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: Action in Denali Wow! Great shot, Ken. I took one look and thought, Whoa, hope he shot that with the 600. At least it wasn't a hungry wolf. Looks like the bird is going to get the tender meat between those ribs. You have to print this one big, really big. Is it cropped? Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. Shot 18 rolls of Velvia/Provia 400F 1350 digital images with the * ist D. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. Comments solicited. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! Kenneth Waller
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
Frank, thanks for taking the time to look and comment. There's only so much animal carcass one can film, the Magpies were sort of comic relief. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PAW: Action in Denali On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:52:35 -0400, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. Shot 18 rolls of Velvia/Provia 400F 1350 digital images with the * ist D. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. Comments solicited. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! Love it!! The best part is the bird vbg. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
Yeah but I mostly love my 600mm - except for the weight. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: Action in Denali Kenneth Waller wrote on 9/16/2004, 4:52 PM: Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html to see where I spent my last two weeks. I hate you. Mostly with a 600mm FA and a 300MM FA. I hate you even more. WARNING: This image is a strong statement of the ways of nature. If you're not into red meat, don't look! nice shot. looks like it belongs in National Geographic. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PESO - FireShow
That's a great shot! Can you tell us a bit about it? Don -Original Message- From: Frantisek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:36 PM To: PDML Subject: PESO - FireShow No time at my hands for PAWs, so PESO now: http://fotof.wz.cz/paw All comments welcome! fra
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
PS This I don't get, so enlighten me. Why do you need to turn the aperture PS ring if you can select the aperture with the cameras ap dial? What do PS you gain by turning the ring? PS Paul Stepping in into this thread, my preference is to be able to have tactile feedback of all my camera settings. Like metering mode (not set by button but by several-position switch), AF mode (not button but switch), aperture - I can instantly tell if I am wide open or more closed, even with blind eyes, when I pick up the camera. Checking the viewfinder display after I pick it up to shoot is an slight annoyance and it's slightly slower. Also, I can change the aperture by feel very quickly just the required amount of stops. That's the way I feel. OTOH, electrical coupling of aperture (including aperture motors like in EOS lenses) is way more precise. However, the tiny ring for aperture on the body tends to get kicked off my setting time to time, and it's a slight hassle to change lenses from stopped down one to one I want to use wide open. Good light! fra
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
I do take your point that the old glass is very good glass, but there is a perfectly adequate method of using such lenses with the green button. They have not been rendered obsolete, as some of the wilder-eyed posters are implying. For various reasons, Pentax now designs cameras that require the aperture to be set on the camera. Once one is used to it, this works very well. I am sure you would agree that the time must come at some point where Pentax are justified in abandoning the old mechanical linkage. They think the time is now (or rather, a couple of years ago for some camera bodies). You think the time is not now, but what you are asking them to do is to incur greater manufacturing cost to avoid minor inconvenience for a few users. And I do mean minor, and I do mean a few. I have six M lenses, use them frequently, and find the lack of autofocus to be a much bigger problem than having to press the green button. But then, my eyes are not what they used to be. Bear in mind, too, that the green button solution is actually quicker and easier to use than the meters on the manual metering cameras. For people upgrading from LXs, MXs, KXs, KMs, and K1000s, the green button is an improvement. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:28:16 -0400, John C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some of the K/M prime lenses are better than some of of the FA. Newer does not equal better. Regarding lens life, Well made lenses can last many decades with moderate usage. I have many large format lenses from the 1940's and 50's that still work fine including their shutters. The only reason I don't own any pre-WWII is the lack of coatings... To compare a SLR lens, non-shuttered no less, with clothes and cars is absurd... Those are used hard and wear out quickly. If well cared for and used seldomly I see no reason why a well made lens cant last the buyer's ENTIRE LIFETIME. So 20 years is nothing... For the price of what a *istD costs I am not going to buy into the argument that full K/M support would have driven up the cost in any signifigant way because K/M support was provided on many budget cameras, pentax made and third parties. JCO -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! Good point, John. I use pigeons instead of sell phones and K glass instead of FA, but I'm right up to date on everything else. vbg Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:44 PM, John Forbes wrote: What rubbish. How long do you want Pentax to keep supporting a product which is now almost 30 years old? There IS a cost to it, and for most people, there is no benefit. For those who want to use K and M lenses, the green button solution is perfectly adequate. If you want something better, for God's sake buy a newer lens. Are you still wearing the clothes you bought 30 years ago? Driving the same car? Using the same music system? Calculating with a pencil? Typing on a type-writer? Using pigeons instead of a mobile phone? I don't think so. You've had a damn good ride. Please don't put up the cost of my camera because you insist on using ancient glass on yours. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:31:32 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting rhetorical device, changing the point from the technical and or marketing reason to not include a feature to criticizing the form factor as not being able to contain it. A bush league debating trick which I'm not even going to answer. Simply put changing the subject doesn't improve you original position. There was no valid technical reason and only the sleaziest of marketing reasons to not include the mechanical coupling. Defending them does you no credit. Backward compatibility may have been an after though but that seems to be a stretch based on Pentax's previous offerings and literature. Personally I plan on buying a *ist-d[x] at some point, it is currently the only game in town if I want to stay with Pentax. However the Current *ist-D is in my opinion overpriced for a device that leaves off one of my most important features, (and you read my previous post incorrectly if you thought I felt the green button was onerous, it is annoying though since there were even better solutions to the stop down metering problem than it implemented and even more annoying since I believe that the mechanical coupling was dropped after being included in the original design). I am waiting to see if the next *ist-D version has the green button and the high frame rate of the *ist-Ds, at a minimum. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. What you're saying is, a digi camera body the size of the MZ-D had the room, and they did it, why not the ist-DS? I don't know how the MZ-D compared to the ist-DS. The -D is considered
RE: istDs - what a great camera!
does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? JCO -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! Most of the people who think it's a problem haven't tried it. Or they tried it once and decided it wasn't an optimum solution. Use it for two weeks, and it's second nature. But the non-believers will never be convinced. Sometimes I think that some people can't be content unless they have something to rail against. But that's just me, and I could be wrong. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:18 PM, John Forbes wrote: What bugs me about this argument is that it is so easy to use the green button. Most of my lenses are Ms, and I really don't think it's a problem. Anybody would think Pentax had shot somebody's grandmother from the fuss that's being made. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:07:30 -0400, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point, John. I use pigeons instead of sell phones and K glass instead of FA, but I'm right up to date on everything else. vbg Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:44 PM, John Forbes wrote: What rubbish. How long do you want Pentax to keep supporting a product which is now almost 30 years old? There IS a cost to it, and for most people, there is no benefit. For those who want to use K and M lenses, the green button solution is perfectly adequate. If you want something better, for God's sake buy a newer lens. Are you still wearing the clothes you bought 30 years ago? Driving the same car? Using the same music system? Calculating with a pencil? Typing on a type-writer? Using pigeons instead of a mobile phone? I don't think so. You've had a damn good ride. Please don't put up the cost of my camera because you insist on using ancient glass on yours. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:31:32 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting rhetorical device, changing the point from the technical and or marketing reason to not include a feature to criticizing the form factor as not being able to contain it. A bush league debating trick which I'm not even going to answer. Simply put changing the subject doesn't improve you original position. There was no valid technical reason and only the sleaziest of marketing reasons to not include the mechanical coupling. Defending them does you no credit. Backward compatibility may have been an after though but that seems to be a stretch based on Pentax's previous offerings and literature. Personally I plan on buying a *ist-d[x] at some point, it is currently the only game in town if I want to stay with Pentax. However the Current *ist-D is in my opinion overpriced for a device that leaves off one of my most important features, (and you read my previous post incorrectly if you thought I felt the green button was onerous, it is annoying though since there were even better solutions to the stop down metering problem than it implemented and even more annoying since I believe that the mechanical coupling was dropped after being included in the original design). I am waiting to see if the next *ist-D version has the green button and the high frame rate of the *ist-Ds, at a minimum. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. What you're saying is, a digi camera body the size of the MZ-D had the room, and they did it, why not the ist-DS? I don't know how the MZ-D compared to the ist-DS. The -D is considered small, in comparison to a number of cameras. The -DS is even smaller than that... So, I couldn't judge unless I was privy to a phantom or breakaway view of them, side by side. I think that if the design team had approached the system design with including K-mount capability from the beginning, what you say is true. However, if the design was essentially complete when the question arose--what about the K-mount backward compatibility? Stranger things have happened with new products... We may someday know the truth. keith Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? The camera is essentially a mechanical film body without a film advance and with an electronic sensor in place of the
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An A for creativity originality. Now what is it? I'm guessing its a grinder on some welded joints. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: PESO - FireShow No time at my hands for PAWs, so PESO now: http://fotof.wz.cz/paw All comments welcome! fra
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
You can still check the DOF by stopping down, which to me, is better than looking at the ap ring. But that's just me. If you use an A lens on the *istD, you still get your DOF scale. Nothing different there than you would get if you used it on an LX. Don't get me wrong. I'm basically a traditionalist. I like to shoot with a fifty year old Leica and a hand held meter -- or no meter at all. I will never sell my Barnack Leica, my LX, my last Spotmatic, my H3v or my Spotmatic F. And I love the smell of hypo and stop bath. But I also know a good thing when I see it, and the Pentax *istD is a good thing. I assume the *istDs is as well. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Keith Whaley wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You can still buy current lenses from Pentax with fully functional aperture rings, I'd like to be able to utilize the aperture ring control on the current cameras too. This I don't get, so enlighten me. Why do you need to turn the aperture ring if you can select the aperture with the cameras ap dial? What do you gain by turning the ring? Paul If that means the camera can be set to aperture priority, it seems okay. But, it's not like looking at a set of engraved white numbers and checking the D.O.F. keith
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? Actually it does work with any lens. Admittedly with pre-A lenses you can only bracket with shutter speed (aperture is obviously fixed), but this would be the case on any camera with a K/M lens I daresay. I just tried this to confirm it works, green-button sets exposure, then bracket works fine. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Did you mention that they don't have AF, IS whatever ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've steered people to Pentax who are looking for a mid-priced DSLR. I simply tell them that they can find plenty of used lenses that are relatively inexpensive. That is a convincing argument for the *istD.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
It supports bracketing even with K/M lenses. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:48:10 -0400, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? JCO -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! Most of the people who think it's a problem haven't tried it. Or they tried it once and decided it wasn't an optimum solution. Use it for two weeks, and it's second nature. But the non-believers will never be convinced. Sometimes I think that some people can't be content unless they have something to rail against. But that's just me, and I could be wrong. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:18 PM, John Forbes wrote: What bugs me about this argument is that it is so easy to use the green button. Most of my lenses are Ms, and I really don't think it's a problem. Anybody would think Pentax had shot somebody's grandmother from the fuss that's being made. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:07:30 -0400, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point, John. I use pigeons instead of sell phones and K glass instead of FA, but I'm right up to date on everything else. vbg Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:44 PM, John Forbes wrote: What rubbish. How long do you want Pentax to keep supporting a product which is now almost 30 years old? There IS a cost to it, and for most people, there is no benefit. For those who want to use K and M lenses, the green button solution is perfectly adequate. If you want something better, for God's sake buy a newer lens. Are you still wearing the clothes you bought 30 years ago? Driving the same car? Using the same music system? Calculating with a pencil? Typing on a type-writer? Using pigeons instead of a mobile phone? I don't think so. You've had a damn good ride. Please don't put up the cost of my camera because you insist on using ancient glass on yours. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:31:32 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting rhetorical device, changing the point from the technical and or marketing reason to not include a feature to criticizing the form factor as not being able to contain it. A bush league debating trick which I'm not even going to answer. Simply put changing the subject doesn't improve you original position. There was no valid technical reason and only the sleaziest of marketing reasons to not include the mechanical coupling. Defending them does you no credit. Backward compatibility may have been an after though but that seems to be a stretch based on Pentax's previous offerings and literature. Personally I plan on buying a *ist-d[x] at some point, it is currently the only game in town if I want to stay with Pentax. However the Current *ist-D is in my opinion overpriced for a device that leaves off one of my most important features, (and you read my previous post incorrectly if you thought I felt the green button was onerous, it is annoying though since there were even better solutions to the stop down metering problem than it implemented and even more annoying since I believe that the mechanical coupling was dropped after being included in the original design). I am waiting to see if the next *ist-D version has the green button and the high frame rate of the *ist-Ds, at a minimum. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. What you're saying is, a digi camera body the size of the MZ-D had the room, and they did it, why not the ist-DS? I don't know how the MZ-D compared to the ist-DS. The -D is considered small, in comparison to a number of cameras. The -DS is even smaller than that... So, I couldn't judge unless I was privy to a phantom or breakaway view of them, side by side. I think that if the design team had approached the system design with including K-mount capability from the beginning, what you say is true. However, if the design was essentially complete when the question arose--what about the K-mount backward compatibility? Stranger things have happened with new products... We may someday know the truth. keith Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? The camera is essentially a mechanical film body without a film advance and with an electronic sensor in place of the film. There
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Yes, the *ist D offers auto bracketing with A and newer lenses in 1/3 or 1/2 stop increments. However, I've found I can pretty much nail exposures with this camera so I rarely use it. I do usually shoot with +1/2 stop of exposure compensation. And of course PhotoShop CS RAW converter gives you a lot of exposure correction control along with Shadow exposure adjustment. RAW files can be manipulated quite easily and with very good results. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:48 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? JCO -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! Most of the people who think it's a problem haven't tried it. Or they tried it once and decided it wasn't an optimum solution. Use it for two weeks, and it's second nature. But the non-believers will never be convinced. Sometimes I think that some people can't be content unless they have something to rail against. But that's just me, and I could be wrong. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:18 PM, John Forbes wrote: What bugs me about this argument is that it is so easy to use the green button. Most of my lenses are Ms, and I really don't think it's a problem. Anybody would think Pentax had shot somebody's grandmother from the fuss that's being made. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:07:30 -0400, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point, John. I use pigeons instead of sell phones and K glass instead of FA, but I'm right up to date on everything else. vbg Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:44 PM, John Forbes wrote: What rubbish. How long do you want Pentax to keep supporting a product which is now almost 30 years old? There IS a cost to it, and for most people, there is no benefit. For those who want to use K and M lenses, the green button solution is perfectly adequate. If you want something better, for God's sake buy a newer lens. Are you still wearing the clothes you bought 30 years ago? Driving the same car? Using the same music system? Calculating with a pencil? Typing on a type-writer? Using pigeons instead of a mobile phone? I don't think so. You've had a damn good ride. Please don't put up the cost of my camera because you insist on using ancient glass on yours. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:31:32 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting rhetorical device, changing the point from the technical and or marketing reason to not include a feature to criticizing the form factor as not being able to contain it. A bush league debating trick which I'm not even going to answer. Simply put changing the subject doesn't improve you original position. There was no valid technical reason and only the sleaziest of marketing reasons to not include the mechanical coupling. Defending them does you no credit. Backward compatibility may have been an after though but that seems to be a stretch based on Pentax's previous offerings and literature. Personally I plan on buying a *ist-d[x] at some point, it is currently the only game in town if I want to stay with Pentax. However the Current *ist-D is in my opinion overpriced for a device that leaves off one of my most important features, (and you read my previous post incorrectly if you thought I felt the green button was onerous, it is annoying though since there were even better solutions to the stop down metering problem than it implemented and even more annoying since I believe that the mechanical coupling was dropped after being included in the original design). I am waiting to see if the next *ist-D version has the green button and the high frame rate of the *ist-Ds, at a minimum. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. What you're saying is, a digi camera body the size of the MZ-D had the room, and they did it, why not the ist-DS? I don't know how the MZ-D compared to the ist-DS. The -D is considered small, in comparison to a number of cameras. The -DS is even smaller than that... So, I couldn't judge unless I was privy to a phantom or breakaway view of them, side by side. I think that if the design team had approached the system design with including K-mount capability from the beginning, what you say is true. However, if the design was essentially complete when the question arose--what about the K-mount backward compatibility? Stranger things have happened with new products... We may someday know the truth. keith Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
The thing that I find inconvenient about the green-button-kludge (hereafter referred to as GBK :) is not so much that I have any trouble with it, but it makes it far more difficult to let anyone else take a shot. For example, if we're out somewhere, my wife will sometimes want to take a shot with the *istD, but if I happen to be using an M lens on it, then I have to either change it, or show her how to use the GBK. And if its someone in my family or something, then no chance of them doing it right :) I suppose it could be considered a feature that it limits other people wanting to take my camera off me, but mostly it seems an inconvenience, admittedly not a major one. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
RE: istDs - what a great camera!
I thought someone said that after green button the shutter speed remains fixed until pressed again? No? JCO -Original Message- From: Peter Loveday [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? Actually it does work with any lens. Admittedly with pre-A lenses you can only bracket with shutter speed (aperture is obviously fixed), but this would be the case on any camera with a K/M lens I daresay. I just tried this to confirm it works, green-button sets exposure, then bracket works fine. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Thanks Peter. I didn't know auto bracketing worked with K and M lenses. But I never tried it. As I mentioned in a previous post, it's not hard to nail exposures with the *istD, and I seldom use auto bracketing. But I will probably use it more often since it works with the old glass. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:53 PM, Peter Loveday wrote: does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? Actually it does work with any lens. Admittedly with pre-A lenses you can only bracket with shutter speed (aperture is obviously fixed), but this would be the case on any camera with a K/M lens I daresay. I just tried this to confirm it works, green-button sets exposure, then bracket works fine. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
I thought someone said that after green button the shutter speed remains fixed until pressed again? No? Well, yes, in that the 'base' shutter speed remains fixed (unless you change it manually, or press green) but bracketing still adjusts relative to this base. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re: istDs - bouquet
With the strobes, it wouldn't make a darned bit of difference. They tend to fire a bit faster than the camera shakes. :-) On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:11:40 +0800, Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark Fair point about the 1/2 - 1/30. I use B and black velvet (to block out all extraneous light) when shooting still lives with strobes 25 ISO film. Would there be any point in using this technique with digital? Simon
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
It does remain fixed, except for auto-bracketing. In a sense it is still fixed then. The camera just takes a couple of shots at lower and higher speeds than the fixed speed. It's quite impressive. John On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:59:11 -0400, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought someone said that after green button the shutter speed remains fixed until pressed again? No? JCO -Original Message- From: Peter Loveday [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? Actually it does work with any lens. Admittedly with pre-A lenses you can only bracket with shutter speed (aperture is obviously fixed), but this would be the case on any camera with a K/M lens I daresay. I just tried this to confirm it works, green-button sets exposure, then bracket works fine. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
It seems to me they could allow another mode also; when in 'P', it could stop the lens down when you press shutter (which it has to anyway) and take an instantaneous reading at that point. It may increase shutter-lag a little, but I expect the metering is quick compared to the mechanical stop-down, and obviously you won't know the shutter speed before hand. But for those more point-and-shoot moments, or for handing to other people (as previously mentioned), it would be fine. When in 'M', the green button can still work as now, so you'd lose nothing. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re: istDs - bouquet
Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark Fair point about the 1/2 - 1/30. I use B and black velvet (to block out all extraneous light) when shooting still lives with strobes 25 ISO film. Would there be any point in using this technique with digital? I don't see why not. Got any shots to show off? Sounds interesting.
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
Hmm, in relation also with another thread, if Nikon did actually produce digital backs for the F6, as someone said was rumoured, they could produce separate BW and Colour ones. So long as they were fairly easy to change, that could be pretty nice... Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software - Original Message - From: Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!) You put it the wrong way. It should read: It's too bad BW is pretty much withless for digital. ;-) ;-) Shel Belinkoff wrote: While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW.
Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera
Hehe, I knew it would happen! F6 looks like a great camera, did you see the viewfinder coverage, 100% I also knew the APS sized sensor in 35mm was just temporary, hehe. APS sized sensors are for APS cameras I say! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm He, he, told you so... -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
and the old 15mm lens Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California Shel Belinkoff wrote: While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Yes, but apparently if you select auto bracketing, it will shoot three shots, varying the shutter speed by 1/2 spot. On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: I thought someone said that after green button the shutter speed remains fixed until pressed again? No? JCO -Original Message- From: Peter Loveday [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! does the *istD support autobracketing in any modes with any lenses? I ask because with the narrower latitude and free film of digital capture it seems to me that autobracketing AE would be ideal. There is no way this could be done with the green button kludge with K/M but I am wondering if istD offers it with A series or later lenses? Actually it does work with any lens. Admittedly with pre-A lenses you can only bracket with shutter speed (aperture is obviously fixed), but this would be the case on any camera with a K/M lens I daresay. I just tried this to confirm it works, green-button sets exposure, then bracket works fine. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Back home, after Ivan.
Well, Ivan has come and gone for me. I spent it at the folks. We lost power about 12:20 a.m. They are still without power. Lost no shingles and only one piece of siding. All is well - just a lot of limbs to clean up and the neighbor's fence went down. My house - all is great! No shingles lost. No damage to the house. A few tree limbs are down, including one that had hung up in a tree for more than four years! I still have electricity and phone. The water did come up quite a bit in the bayou, but was never a threat. I will see about posting a shot up on the web for those interested. I am back at the house going to begin the cleanup tomorrow, if I don't have to go into work. I should find out by mid-morning. There were quite a few uprooted trees within a couple of blocks of me. I need to check it out in the morning, it may have been one of the many tornadoes that touched down during the storm. In a nutshell - I am still standing :-) Thanks for all the concern, César Panama City, Florida
Film
Seems like this guy, T. R. Sanford, a frequent poster on the forum at graflex.org, has a pretty good handle on what is happening with the film business. http://graflex.org/helpboard/viewtopic.php?topic=2850forum=47 If I understand him correctly, what he is saying is that Kodak, Agfa, Ilford, etcetra are not selling film they are selling stock. And their businesses decisions are based upon that.
RE: istDs - what a great camera!
On 16 Sep 2004 at 20:28, John C. O'Connell wrote: For the price of what a *istD costs I am not going to buy into the argument that full K/M support would have driven up the cost in any signifigant way because K/M support was provided on many budget cameras, pentax made and third parties. JCO Yes, I wonder what the design and software development cost of the entirely newly conceived multiple exposure function added to the overall cost? That's something I wouldn't have missed. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera
Uh, the F6 doesn't have a sensor, it's a film camera. I'll be surprised if they sell enough of them to cover the cost of the advertising, yet alone the cost of development. I don't think you'll see another high end film camera from Canon. On Sep 16, 2004, at 9:10 PM, Steve Larson wrote: Hehe, I knew it would happen! F6 looks like a great camera, did you see the viewfinder coverage, 100% I also knew the APS sized sensor in 35mm was just temporary, hehe. APS sized sensors are for APS cameras I say! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm He, he, told you so... -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
On Sep 16, 2004, at 9:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I beg to differ, the only way that I can produce very consistent results WRT exposure is to set the aperture from the lens, setting from the body appears to be accurate but the actual aperture isn't always stopped down by the prescribed amount. Perhaps you're doing something wrong? My shots with A and FA lenses are as accurate in terms of exposure as are my shots with M and K lenses, where I set aperture on the lens. Even when you set aperture on the lens, you're relying on a mechanism to stop it down when you release the shutter. Is the mechanical linkage more accurate than an electro mechanical device? I doubt it. Paul
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
Why is it worthless for the old 15mm lens? It should be a great *istD lens, although the field of view won't be as wide. paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 9:19 PM, Steve Larson wrote: and the old 15mm lens Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California Shel Belinkoff wrote: While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW.
Re: Back home, after Ivan.
Good to hear you're well. Congratulations. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 9:14 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote: Well, Ivan has come and gone for me. I spent it at the folks. We lost power about 12:20 a.m. They are still without power. Lost no shingles and only one piece of siding. All is well - just a lot of limbs to clean up and the neighbor's fence went down. My house - all is great! No shingles lost. No damage to the house. A few tree limbs are down, including one that had hung up in a tree for more than four years! I still have electricity and phone. The water did come up quite a bit in the bayou, but was never a threat. I will see about posting a shot up on the web for those interested. I am back at the house going to begin the cleanup tomorrow, if I don't have to go into work. I should find out by mid-morning. There were quite a few uprooted trees within a couple of blocks of me. I need to check it out in the morning, it may have been one of the many tornadoes that touched down during the storm. In a nutshell - I am still standing :-) Thanks for all the concern, César Panama City, Florida
Re: Back home, after Ivan.
Ya! -- Cesar Matamoros II wrote: Well, Ivan has come and gone for me. I spent it at the folks. We lost power about 12:20 a.m. They are still without power. Lost no shingles and only one piece of siding. All is well - just a lot of limbs to clean up and the neighbor's fence went down. My house - all is great! No shingles lost. No damage to the house. A few tree limbs are down, including one that had hung up in a tree for more than four years! I still have electricity and phone. The water did come up quite a bit in the bayou, but was never a threat. I will see about posting a shot up on the web for those interested. I am back at the house going to begin the cleanup tomorrow, if I don't have to go into work. I should find out by mid-morning. There were quite a few uprooted trees within a couple of blocks of me. I need to check it out in the morning, it may have been one of the many tornadoes that touched down during the storm. In a nutshell - I am still standing :-) Thanks for all the concern, César Panama City, Florida -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Leica Goes Digital
For those interested, see story at BJP: http://db.riskwaters.com/public/showPage.html?page=190734 Read carefully what it says about the digital solution for the M system. It sounds like this will not be a digital back to fit existing M cameras, but a digital body to accept M lenses. Shel
Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera
I know, I was talking about Canon's decision. Sorry, should have clarified it better. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera Uh, the F6 doesn't have a sensor, it's a film camera. I'll be surprised if they sell enough of them to cover the cost of the advertising, yet alone the cost of development. I don't think you'll see another high end film camera from Canon. On Sep 16, 2004, at 9:10 PM, Steve Larson wrote: Hehe, I knew it would happen! F6 looks like a great camera, did you see the viewfinder coverage, 100% I also knew the APS sized sensor in 35mm was just temporary, hehe. APS sized sensors are for APS cameras I say! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm He, he, told you so... -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
RE: istDs - what a great camera!
The decision as to whether to add a $10.00 part to a $1500 retail camera is always the same, does it add value to the product to the customer? I honestly believe that would have added tremendous value to a Lot of their customers (why buy a pentax DSLR if it wasn't already for owning a lot of their lenses?). It seems to me the decision to not add the $10 part was to sell new lenses, not save the $10 on the part. Hell they were able to provide that part on many of their very inexpensive film cameras and I doubt it even costs $10. JCO -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? Yes: The *vastly* lower profit margins on digital SLR's. Even if it only cost $10.00 to implement, that would make it too expensive for the ist-Ds. I expect it was left off the original ist-D partly for that reason, partly to maintain consistent lens mounts on the digital bodies and partly to SELL NEW LENSES. They are making little or no profit on the digital bodies. (I suspect Pentax lost money on the original ist-D, given the RD costs and its selling price.)
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
On 16 Sep 2004 at 21:27, Paul Stenquist wrote: Yes, but apparently if you select auto bracketing, it will shoot three shots, varying the shutter speed by 1/2 spot. On 16 Sep 2004 at 21:27, Paul Stenquist wrote: Yes, but apparently if you select auto bracketing, it will shoot three shots, varying the shutter speed by 1/2 spot. You can of course select system wide 1/3 or 1/2 stop increments in the cameras custom function menu however unfortunately the bracketing range is limited to only +-1 stop when the body is set for 1/3 stop increments and +-1.5 stops when set for 1/2 stop increments. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
On 16 Sep 2004 at 21:34, Paul Stenquist wrote: Perhaps you're doing something wrong? My shots with A and FA lenses are as accurate in terms of exposure as are my shots with M and K lenses, where I set aperture on the lens. Even when you set aperture on the lens, you're relying on a mechanism to stop it down when you release the shutter. Is the mechanical linkage more accurate than an electro mechanical device? I doubt it. I notice the difference when I'm doing technical shooting in studio and very obviously during lens testing. The setting mechanisms work quite differently, when the lens is pre-set via the mechanical ring the actuator lever doesn't control the final aperture, it is a mechanical limit in the lens that does and it is very consistent. When setting the aperture from the body the aperture lever has to move to a prescribed and repeatable location in a split second, this doesn't always go as planned. I'm simply not doing anything wrong, the camera is. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: PAW: Action in Denali
This one has been known to attack humans (grin). It has also been known to photograph humans feeding. -- Kenneth Waller wrote: Wolves have gotten a bad rap as being aggressive around humans. I have read in several places that there has never been a documented case of a healthy wolf attacking a human. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Leica Goes Digital
On 16 Sep 2004 at 7:47, Shel Belinkoff wrote: For those interested, see story at BJP: http://db.riskwaters.com/public/showPage.html?page=190734 Read carefully what it says about the digital solution for the M system. It sounds like this will not be a digital back to fit existing M cameras, but a digital body to accept M lenses. That's OK as long as it's fully compatible with the M lenses (not difficult) we should be able to hear the collective sigh or relief from M glass owners all over the world :-) Hanns-Peter obviously hasn't adopted Pentax marketing strategies, from the article referring to the R back: Leica CEO Hanns-Peter Cohn commented: 'This hybrid product links the decades of investment of our customers in lenses and cameras for film-based photography to the progress made in digital technology.' Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: PESO - FireShow
That's another great photograph, I hate you. Frantisek wrote: No time at my hands for PAWs, so PESO now: http://fotof.wz.cz/paw All comments welcome! fra -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Yes your perfectly right your post is rubbish, and a not to the point. The moderator would kick you out of the debate. John Forbes wrote: What rubbish. How long do you want Pentax to keep supporting a product which is now almost 30 years old? There IS a cost to it, and for most people, there is no benefit. For those who want to use K and M lenses, the green button solution is perfectly adequate. If you want something better, for God's sake buy a newer lens. Yes, you're right there is a cost to it, Pentax loses faith with their users a little at a time and soon they are just like Canon with inferior technology, (or at least the appearance of the same), which will have the same result. I cannot for the most part duplicate my lenses from the current Pentax line,. so I'm not buying from them anyway. And for your information I own a number of newer lenses. Some are very good. Are you still wearing the clothes you bought 30 years ago? No I couldn't wear those cloths they no longer fit and probably would have worn out, unlike quality built lenses, but a couple of years ago some of the clothes came back into style. Driving the same car? The car I'm driving is 11 years old, I can't afford my dream car so I see no reason do replace the one I have as long as it's serviceable. I wish I was driving the car I had 30 years ago, it was a really neat sports car, if it were in good shape it would be worth considerably more than I paid for it.. Using the same music system? Some of it. It's funny but my audio gear which is for the most part 20+ years old is easily compatible enough with my brand new CD and DVD players. Calculating with a pencil? I find it often convenient to use a pencil, (although my 20 year old HP calculator still works fine, and as a calculator has yet to be surpassed in the tasks it preforms). Typing on a type-writer? Actually for some of the things I do, I have to use a typewriter, a word processor just doesn't cut it. (Mine is an old Royal manual, I don't have to use it much so I put up with it). Using pigeons instead of a mobile phone? Really stupid analogy here, why even bother... I don't think so. As you can see you were mostly wrong. You've had a damn good ride. Please don't put up the cost of my camera because you insist on using ancient glass on yours. See my first comment if you really care. John -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Seems that the *ist-Ds will work like the zx-10, well sort of... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: You can still buy current lenses from Pentax with fully functional aperture rings, I'd like to be able to utilize the aperture ring control on the current cameras too. This I don't get, so enlighten me. Why do you need to turn the aperture ring if you can select the aperture with the cameras ap dial? What do you gain by turning the ring? Paul Of course on a PZ-1 there's a good reason to select the aperture ring method, but that particular reason doesn't apply to the *ist D. And on the cameras (like the ZX-10) where the aperture control from the body is a rather awkward Rebel-like push-button-while-toggling-switch, the advantage to the aperture ring is that it's easier. (But I don't use a ZX-10 as a general rule.) ERN -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
