Re: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop)
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Steve Jolly
OK. This is going to be bloody impossible to do entirely in text without
attachments, but I'll give it a try. :-)
I read it while sober.
Didn't make much sense.
I just read it while inebriated.
Didn't make any sense.
Can't I just think of it as a roll of pennies on a table top and get on
with life?
I think what he was trying to tell you is that jpeg does not look for
similar shapes but instead slices the picture in small 8x8 pixel chunks and
simplify these ('ah yes, this 8x8 block is all yellow, well, nearly enough
at least, I'll just jot down 'all yellow block here' and ignore the slight
color differences in this block. Next block, going from yellow to slightly
green, well, not exactly but no one will note the difference if I just make
it like it's going from yellow to slightly green, thats ok. Next one...')
The image format for your pennies are called fractal compressors. There are
some of these around, but they are so dead slow and uncommon no one really
uses them.
Was my translation ok for you?
Sam
PESO - trunk
I've taken quite a few shots of this subject, and this photo has been sitting in photoshop for a day and a half while I've debated whether or not to post it, but now I've looked at it too many times and have no idea of its merits. It's just annoying to me that I can't make a stunning image from something that to me is really cool in real life... My feeling is that it's sort of mundane, but I'd be appreciative of any comments, to the contrary or corroboratory. http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/trunk.jpg If anyone likes it I may post some other photos on this sort of theme. If no-one likes it I'll try harder (-: Cheers, David
PAW - Triangle
Hi all, A photo from a place I was wanting to return to this weekend. I would have gone if the weather forecasts had been accurate :( http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=14-Nov-2004 Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Horrid hot shoes
On 13/11/04, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: If you bought one outside the US and brought it in you became Grey market importer and only the legal importer was allowed to import the brand. You wouldn't want to dilute the brand value would you? So what if someone was stationed in (say) Germany, bought a Merc over there, used it accordingly, then through whatever circumstance was able to bring it back to the USA in the back of C5 Galaxy, rolled it off.they gonna scratch out the Mercedes name??? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam
Some *ist DS pics
Not mine. http://dizin.co.kr/dipeople/proreview/ds/02.htm Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
RE: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount)
Funny you should ask: I was just leaving the house to make test shots, comparing Tokina 2.8-4.3/28-70mm Tokina AT-X ProII 2.6-2.8/28-70mm Pentax SMC-F 4-5.6/35-80mm The only standard zoom lenses I have got until I get myself a 18-35mm, 18-50mm or a 16-45mm. I'll check the focusing as well and post some tests later today. I did some casual test shots the other day, but couldn't really tell the difference - and I thought the Pentax was doing pretty well, cosidering the cost of the lens. BTW how come some lenses seem to focus elsewhere than at the screen/film plane, when mounted on the *ist D ?? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 13. november 2004 22:19 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount) On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Jens Bladt wrote: Tis lens arrived today. Very nice, almost MINT. It's seemingly a good performer. The machro mode is a great feature and I miss having this on my more expensive lenses. Do they perhaps focus closer by default? I noticed that the FA28-80 (lacking macro) is actually more versatile that the F28-80 (with macro) as it focuses at 0.45m anyway. Kostas
Re: 3D quality in a lens?
På 14. nov. 2004 kl. 00.15 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dag said: (among other things) -- Of course the situation is more detailed. Among other things it depends on when you lost the stereoscopic vision (I lost mine at the worst time, around 2-3), if you have any cooperation between the eyes at all (I don´t, some do) and a lot on practice. I did manage to play table tennis after a lot of training, but only back hand. Fast downhill skiing is something else, I do that too. Usually you know how far away the slope is, because you know where your feet are. Jumping between boulders on trips into the mountains is dangerous, because it is difficult to see the how big a rock is. The difference between 50cm and 150cm height hurts, especially with 20 kilos on your back... I don't think I ever had binocular vision. Know exactly what you mean about jumping rocks ... and I'm not terribly confident going downhill in unfamiliar territory in flat light. What was also interesting was when I tried skeet shooting. From some stations I could hit the target beautifully; some stations were hit and miss; and from one station I never even *saw* the target. Sounds familiar, even the shooting. I think I found that it depended on which eye I used, but I didn´t experiment much. A nice think is that I think it gives us an advantage in photography, because we see the same as the camera :-) DagT
Re: Some *ist DS pics
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:00:52 -0800, Alan Chan wrote: Not mine. http://dizin.co.kr/dipeople/proreview/ds/02.htm Interesting that they are all taken with Limited lenses. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
Re: Some *ist DS pics
Alan Chan wrote: Not mine. http://dizin.co.kr/dipeople/proreview/ds/02.htm Beautiful Fall colors! So enjoyable ~ peaceful... keith Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Re: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop)
William Robb wrote: I read it while sober. Didn't make much sense. I just read it while inebriated. Didn't make any sense. Can't I just think of it as a roll of pennies on a table top and get on with life? :-) Seriously though, thanks for the effort, sorry it was lost on my feeble brain. I got about half-way through and then realised hang on - they only teach this maths at university. I had a stab at explaining it without any formal maths, but I suspect that the task may be beyond me... I guess there's a reason I didn't go into any of the Science Communication fields... Still, thanks for reading it. :-) S
Re: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount)
Jens Bladt wrote: Funny you should ask: I was just leaving the house to make test shots, comparing Tokina 2.8-4.3/28-70mm Tokina AT-X ProII 2.6-2.8/28-70mm Pentax SMC-F 4-5.6/35-80mm This lens is, I think, still made. I used mine extensively on recent trips and find that at 35mm, wide open, it's not all that sharp. That's merely one observation, and I've not made it a priority to check it out more carefully, but right now it's on probation! I like the convenience of the lens, but...unless it performs better than that, it will have a short life. If you plan to test it further, I'd be interested in seeing what you get out of it. The only standard zoom lenses I have got until I get myself a 18-35mm, 18-50mm or a 16-45mm. I'll check the focusing as well and post some tests later today. I did some casual test shots the other day, but couldn't really tell the difference - and I thought the Pentax was doing pretty well, cosidering the cost of the lens. I suspect this may end up being a 'sunlight' lens. One I use only on sunny days (stopped down to f/8 or so) and am otherwise quite happy with. For me, in the midrange of apertures, it seems to perform well. keith whaley BTW how come some lenses seem to focus elsewhere than at the screen/film plane, when mounted on the *ist D ?? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 13. november 2004 22:19 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount) On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Jens Bladt wrote: Tis lens arrived today. Very nice, almost MINT. It's seemingly a good performer. The machro mode is a great feature and I miss having this on my more expensive lenses. Do they perhaps focus closer by default? I noticed that the FA28-80 (lacking macro) is actually more versatile that the F28-80 (with macro) as it focuses at 0.45m anyway. Kostas
Re: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop)
William Robb wrote: I just read it while inebriated. Me too. Nice feeling. I don'r give s**t. Life is cool.
RE: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop)
Actually your explanation did make sense. Though I didn't grasp nearly all of it it helped to learn that they are processed in blocks. Helps me understand the behavior of both highly compressed and multiple generation jpeg files. Don't feel your efforts were totally wasted, I at least have a clue now. Which I didn't before. I knew HOW jpegs behaved, now I have at least a rough idea WHY they behave that way. Thanks! Don -Original Message- From: Steve Jolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop) William Robb wrote: I read it while sober. Didn't make much sense. I just read it while inebriated. Didn't make any sense. Can't I just think of it as a roll of pennies on a table top and get on with life? :-) Seriously though, thanks for the effort, sorry it was lost on my feeble brain. I got about half-way through and then realised hang on - they only teach this maths at university. I had a stab at explaining it without any formal maths, but I suspect that the task may be beyond me... I guess there's a reason I didn't go into any of the Science Communication fields... Still, thanks for reading it. :-) S
Re: OT: photo.net help needed
You guys are a better resource than the site... Get the echeque book out.LOL I suppose the answer is I have to upgrade my browser - I can up load single photos into the single photo folder but after creating a flora folder I don't seem to be able to load anything into it. THe single photo stuff I put up is a bit too eclecticily presented - Ok now i Have netscape 4.6 - viewing the folder in it is not so pretty. with Explorer 5.0 which photo-net says it supports, it looks better but when I click on details nothing happens or options If i go into the folder calledn Flora - nothing is there - I thought I was just creating a virtual directory which would be a place I could upload pictures in that category. BUt I cant make that work. Ok, one more idea I had... do Ineed to enable Java Console in Explorer? Not sure. Do I need to create a presentation and then put all the stuff there into the flora folder? Yes IMSMC. I usually load up single pictures into the main page,then either great a presentation or go to an existing one(like my work across Canada) and then you can add any picture from the main source of pictures. annsan the techno idiot Dave the not far behind ya
FS: Metz SCA 305K (remote TTL thingies)
Hi, sorry for not posting this on Friday but I simply forgot - there was our Senate elections second stage and I had to photograph there. I was going from election room to another and then to the HQ of one candidate (Green) to see the celebrations (yes he won). I was cleaning the attic, and found these: I have two Metz SCA 305K thingies. These are adapters for remote TTL flash control (by wires). You plug them into a TTL multiconnector SCA (305A I believe) which sits on your camera's specific SCA TTL module), which can accomodate up to 3 flashes, two via cables and one on top. The 305K has the Metz connector on one side and you slide the Metz flash onto the other side. It works with both 300 and 3000 series SCA system flashes. 1m (3') long. See http://www.jacobsdigital.co.uk/products.php?productId=5731 for more information. Metering is TTL for all connected flashes. Useful for macro photography and similar applications. The used price is around 20 Euro. I am selling them for 10 Euro each, or 18 Euro both. Inside the EU, no import/other taxes apply :) Good light! fra
What if ?
I put this stereo adapter on my 4x5? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=29971item=3852993942rd=1 Anyone done it? Collin You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The closer the relationship the greater the impact. Howard Hendricks
Re: OT: photo.net help needed
You shouldn't have to create a presentation to put pictures in a folder. If your images are PhotoShop jpegs, you will have to do a save for web to strip the exif data and make them PhotoNet compatible. I have no idea why your browser would limit you in PhotoShop. I use both Safari and Explorer with no problems. I've even used an old version of Netscape Communicator. On Nov 13, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: You guys are a better resource than the site... I suppose the answer is I have to upgrade my browser - I can up load single photos into the single photo folder but after creating a flora folder I don't seem to be able to load anything into it. THe single photo stuff I put up is a bit too eclecticily presented - Ok now i Have netscape 4.6 - viewing the folder in it is not so pretty. with Explorer 5.0 which photo-net says it supports, it looks better but when I click on details nothing happens or options If i go into the folder calledn Flora - nothing is there - I thought I was just creating a virtual directory which would be a place I could upload pictures in that category. BUt I cant make that work. Ok, one more idea I had... do Ineed to enable Java Console in Explorer? Do I need to create a presentation and then put all the stuff there into the flora folder? annsan the techno idiot
Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop
On Nov 13, 2004, at 11:50 PM, David Mann wrote: . You can use ColorSync if you want, but I have heard that Adobe's CMM is better than Apple's. Perhaps, but when used with an Apple Cinema Display and the Epson 2200, Colorsynch can match the monitor image with exactitude. It may not work as well with other monitors.
Re: PESO: Chicago Walkaround
Cool. What is that. I didn't see it. Is it in Millennium Park? I only had four or five hours of free time, so I did about two hours on North Michigan Avenue and another two hours in Andersonville. Paul On Nov 14, 2004, at 2:08 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Paul, Better photos of the Chicago ship. http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/ship1.jpg http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/ship2.jpg Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 01:06:27 -0600, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, Did you get to see the ship? http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/ship3.jpg Regards, Bob S. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:59:20 -0500, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another shot from my Chicago walkaround of a couple of weeks ago. After the Wrigley building, it's probably the most over-photographed structure in Chicago. I tried to get a fresh perspective by juxtaposing it against another structure. My main subject is in shade, the backdrop in full sun. Shot with the *istD and the DA 16-45 at 18mm, f8, ISO 200, 1/250. (Don't you just love metadata?:-) It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2849112
Truecolour graphic cards
Hi, I am considering upgrading the graphic card in my computer. I have read that most of the 32-bit graphic modes are in reality 24-bit anyway, but that some cards offer true 32 or 30 bit colour modes (e.g. Matrix Parhelia). Does anybody please know more? 1) is there an advantage in working in 32 or 30 bit mode? I mean, it affects only the display of the image (I often work with RAW files which have more colours than 24 bits JPGs). Is it helpful in some way, is the image more truthful or easier to edit? 2) what cards have this support? I am mainly considering an older cards, as I don't need any superb graphic workstation cards in order of 1000 Euro, nor do I need a fancy 3D acceleration - I don't play games, or if I do, they are emulated ZX Spectrum ones g). thanks Good light! fra
Re: What if ?
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 2:10:30 PM, Collin wrote: CRB I put this stereo adapter on my 4x5? Interesting idea. The openings would surely limit FOV, but depending upon lens used, it might give you two 2x5 stereo images! Now just get two lantern slide projectors, two polarisers and polarising eyeglasses, and you can have 3D 4x5 slideshows! JCO would be pleased ;-) Good light! fra
*istDS $899 at BH
Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul
Re: *istDS $899 at BH
Still no sign of it on their website. Guess we'll have to wait until later in the week to see. IL Bill On Nov 14, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul
Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Got busy Friday night and developed a few rolls of Tmax 100 from Sept and October. Some swamps and Split rail fences on roll two,but i like this one of Copper. Very over cast day,in the hills of Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom,developed in Tmax developer. I went over the time by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop watch.g(It was Friday night after all.LOL) Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg Dave
RE: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Man doesn't he think he's King O' the Beasts! Excellent! Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW Got busy Friday night and developed a few rolls of Tmax 100 from Sept and October. Some swamps and Split rail fences on roll two,but i like this one of Copper. Very over cast day,in the hills of Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom,developed in Tmax developer. I went over the time by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop watch.g(It was Friday night after all.LOL) Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg Dave
RE: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Dave, how did you get this to the web, did you scan the neg or the print? Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW Got busy Friday night and developed a few rolls of Tmax 100 from Sept and October. Some swamps and Split rail fences on roll two,but i like this one of Copper. Very over cast day,in the hills of Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom,developed in Tmax developer. I went over the time by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop watch.g(It was Friday night after all.LOL) Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg Dave
Robert Frank - New York Bus, 1958 (was: PESO: Chicago Walkaround
Hi, so ok, New York's not Chicago, and walking isn't the same as going on the bus, but so what? Yesterday I went to the exhibition of Robert Frank's photos at Tate Modern - http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/frank/about.shtm I didn't get chance to see as much as I'd hoped because my companions (aged 9, 11 and 42) and the large crowds didn't really give me enough time, but I was particularly struck by the series he shot in New York, 1958 during bus rides: http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/frank/nybus.shtm I was not really familiar with them before. They have a real spontaneity and looseness about them, but they catch some small moments really well. The exhibition includes a number of his contact prints. I always enjoy the contact prints as much as the final shot because they provide a good insight into the way a photographer works*. The whole show is an excellent way of following his development from the 1950s through to the present day. It's quite a trip. I intend to go back on my own, when it's quietened down a bit. Thought for the day: Bob, why can't you have a big exhibition like this? You take lots of photographs. -- Cheers, Bob *I expect this to be one of the things we lose as digital takes over the world. It will be like losing artists' sketchbooks and writers' notebooks.
Re: Truecolour graphic cards
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:23:22 +0100, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) is there an advantage in working in 32 or 30 bit mode? no. i don't think there's any advantage whatsoever. best, mishka
Re: A Question About Macro Lenses
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: A Question About Macro Lenses As for indisputable proof, my burden isnt any greater than yours and is based on the simple concept that lenses that do less can do what little they do better that lenses that do more (prime vs zoom concept). T Concepts are good. Physical evidence has credibility. William Robb
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
That rocks too. I have managed to get focused pictures with the 500 in almost total darkness. Sounds great, I can't wait to try it. John -- Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:06:50 + (GMT) Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, John Whittingham wrote: Thanks for the comment, I've just bought one and really like the zoom head, should work well with the 28-105 FAp and the MZ-3. I've yet to test the AF assist infrared thingie :) That rocks too. I have managed to get focused pictures with the 500 in almost total darkness. Don't forget to bounce the flash. I also invested in a diffuser (a tenner?) and it's not left the head of the 500. Kostas --- End of Original Message ---
Re: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop)
- Original Message - From: Sam Jost Subject: Re: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop) Was my translation ok for you? Works for me. Thanks William Robb
RE: *istDS $899 at BH
Paul - or anyone: what's the crop factor for the istd v 35mm lens (1.5? 1.6?) Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul
RE: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Hi Dave I don't usually comment on too many dog pics, for most are just too cute and saccharin for my taste, and I'm not the biggest admirer of dogs in general. I say this not to alienate any dog fanciers but to emphasize how much I like this portrait of Copper. Although it has a few technical problems, you've nonetheless managed to capture him in his element, and show him as a strong creature. In this respect the portrait is quite good. Technically, however, there are a few flaws, which, if corrected, might move the power of the image up a notch or two. The first thing that struck me is that his rear paw is cut off a little, which lessens the impact of him standing on the rock, negates to a small degree his solidness and strength. The rock grounds him, and losing that bit of paw lessens that. If it's not really cut off, but just a result of the process of printing, try reframing the shot. You may see the character of the image change a bit. Secondly, the darkest parts of his body show no detail - specifically in the area of his chest and neck. Once again, it's a small thing, but more detail might bring out a little more of his character as the relatively large, detail-less black areas take away from his strength and presence. Playing with the photo in PS didn't bring up any more significant detail. Perhaps that's a result of the scan. Did you scan from the negative or from a print? In any case, does the neg show detail in those areas? If so, you might try another scan. There is a bare spot on his ear, and another on his leg, up near the chest. While they may accurately represent how Copper looks, it could also be that by touching up those two spots with the healing brush, you'd end up with a better portrait. It's truly a judgement call, and while I'm the first to eschew major retouching, I do think some minor blemish removal can sometimes help a portrait, whether human or animal. The crop is pretty good, but I think it could be a little tighter. The washed out sky in the upper left corner would not be missed, and bringing the crop to something like a 7x5 format instead of the full frame of the 35mm negative might reduce some extraneous detail and give a bit more of the focus on Copper without taking away the sense of place or diminishing the character of the photo. It could result in a stronger portrait. Copper seems a bit soft, almost OOF, and I wasn't able to get him much sharper. If he could be sharper, especially around his eyes, but overall, you might see a major enhancement to the image. A little more contrast and sharpness in some areas of the photo might be helpful as well, primarily in the rock upon which Copper is standing. Well, there y'have it ... Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... but i like this one of Copper. Very over cast day,in the hills of Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom, developed in Tmax developer. I went over the time by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop watch.g (It was Friday night after all.LOL) Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg
Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
So, I tested my lenses. It's really, really bad. My Tokina is absolutely worthless. It may be due to wrong focusing on a digital, but I doubt it. I always have considered this an excellent lens. Befor I bought it I tested it agains my Pentax FA 28-80mm Powerzomm, and found that the Tokina was sharper. In 2001 I wa on an Irish mountain on a stormy day. I fell I smashed my on a rock. It got a little loose, but I managed to tighten some screws inside as well as streighten the boyonet mount, which was slightly bent. I have used it ever since. Without noticing something was wrong. Now I am wondering if half of my bad film reslults - and half of my bad scanning experiences were really caused by this lens!!!??? Most of the not very sharp pictures/scans I got from my MZ-S!!!??? Anyway, this lens has to be repaired or replaced. Take a look at this: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9124138.html The test scene http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9124135.html 28mm focal length (the Pentax lens is 35mm) http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9124136.html 50mm focal length http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p9124137.html 70mm focal length I'm surprised the my Pentax F 35-80mm is doing quite well. All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket
Hi all, I tried searching the archives, but could not find this. Also, someone sent me some info. awhile ago, but I lost it. I'm trying to find a bracket that would hold a flash and an umbrella, mounted into a standard tripod thread. Does anyone know if this even exists? I've search BH, Adorama, KEH, etc. to no avail. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop
For display you twit... (You should really keep up on these threads). Caveman wrote: Why do you want to reduce file size ? Storage space is so cheap now. It doesn't really matter. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
RE: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount)
I use a Tokina ATX f2.8 35-70mm. It is sharp f5.6-f11. The ATX lens was tested by Modern Photography Sept 1985. Jonathan -Original Message- From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount) Jens Bladt wrote: Funny you should ask: I was just leaving the house to make test shots, comparing Tokina 2.8-4.3/28-70mm Tokina AT-X ProII 2.6-2.8/28-70mm Pentax SMC-F 4-5.6/35-80mm This lens is, I think, still made. I used mine extensively on recent trips and find that at 35mm, wide open, it's not all that sharp. That's merely one observation, and I've not made it a priority to check it out more carefully, but right now it's on probation! I like the convenience of the lens, but...unless it performs better than that, it will have a short life. If you plan to test it further, I'd be interested in seeing what you get out of it. The only standard zoom lenses I have got until I get myself a 18-35mm, 18-50mm or a 16-45mm. I'll check the focusing as well and post some tests later today. I did some casual test shots the other day, but couldn't really tell the difference - and I thought the Pentax was doing pretty well, cosidering the cost of the lens. I suspect this may end up being a 'sunlight' lens. One I use only on sunny days (stopped down to f/8 or so) and am otherwise quite happy with. For me, in the midrange of apertures, it seems to perform well. keith whaley BTW how come some lenses seem to focus elsewhere than at the screen/film plane, when mounted on the *ist D ?? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 13. november 2004 22:19 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Tokina 1:2.8~4.3 28-70mm (PKA mount) On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Jens Bladt wrote: Tis lens arrived today. Very nice, almost MINT. It's seemingly a good performer. The machro mode is a great feature and I miss having this on my more expensive lenses. Do they perhaps focus closer by default? I noticed that the FA28-80 (lacking macro) is actually more versatile that the F28-80 (with macro) as it focuses at 0.45m anyway. Kostas
Re: Horrid hot shoes
It depended on the distributors agreement, with a Benz, I don't know... Cotty wrote: On 13/11/04, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: If you bought one outside the US and brought it in you became Grey market importer and only the legal importer was allowed to import the brand. You wouldn't want to dilute the brand value would you? So what if someone was stationed in (say) Germany, bought a Merc over there, used it accordingly, then through whatever circumstance was able to bring it back to the USA in the back of C5 Galaxy, rolled it off.they gonna scratch out the Mercedes name??? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: *istDS $899 at BH
According to PhotoShop CS it's 1.5. (PS CS RAW converter lists both the true focal length and the 35mm equivelant in the metadata.) On Nov 14, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Paul - or anyone: what's the crop factor for the istd v 35mm lens (1.5? 1.6?) Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul
Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop
LOL I wish I could be so succinct and direct Shel [Original Message] From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2004 8:09:57 AM Subject: Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop For display you twit... (You should really keep up on these threads). Caveman wrote: Why do you want to reduce file size ? Storage space is so cheap now. It doesn't really matter.
Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
Jens Bladt escribió: So, I tested my lenses. It's really, really bad. My Tokina is absolutely worthless. It may be due to wrong focusing on a digital, but I doubt it. I always have considered this an excellent lens. Befor I bought it I tested it agains my Pentax FA 28-80mm Powerzomm, and found that the Tokina was sharper. In 2001 I wa on an Irish mountain on a stormy day. I fell I smashed my on a rock. It got a little loose, but I managed to tighten some screws inside as well as streighten the boyonet mount, which was slightly bent. I have used it ever since. Without noticing something was wrong. Now I am wondering if half of my bad film reslults - and half of my bad scanning experiences were really caused by this lens!!!??? Most of the not very sharp pictures/scans I got from my MZ-S!!!??? Hi Jens: Your Tokina must be damaged indeed. I have this lens, and I also had the F 35-80 4-5.6, until I sold the latter last January, and the Tokina is sharper. In fact, it is very sharp for a zoom lens, its only disadvantages being noticeable barrel distortion at 28 mm. and that it is a flare prone lens, compared to SMC Pentax lenses.
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT: photo.net help needed
Paul Stenquist wrote: You shouldn't have to create a presentation to put pictures in a folder. If your images are PhotoShop jpegs, you will have to do a save for web to strip the exif data and make them PhotoNet compatible. I have no idea why your browser would limit you in PhotoShop. I use both Safari and Explorer with no problems. I've even used an old version of Netscape Communicator. annsan replies Problem solved by download Mozilla to browse with. Browser limited me not in photoshop, but at Photo.net. Couldnt get the menu to show up for adding pics to a folder. Piece of cake, now. I did the save for web thing from (almost) the get go cause photo net tells you that the minute you try to bring in a file that was saved otherwise. I've got 8 pics in my single photo miscellaneous folder and three in Flora - I couldnt get the option menu to load in either Netscape Com. 4.6 _or_ Explorer 5.0 - Rob Studdart clued me about Mozilla (though you guys had chatted about it here now and then) All in all, I'm loving photo.net - though I'd prefer a black wall (I thought Amita and Larry's smugmug stuff looked really nice) to hang the photos on and I can't seem to control the order the photos show up. It is also a humbling experience - lots of gorgeous stuff there! Now if only if you could leave the day of the month blank on your details list... :) Best, ann On Nov 13, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: You guys are a better resource than the site... I suppose the answer is I have to upgrade my browser - I can up load single photos into the single photo folder but after creating a flora folder I don't seem to be able to load anything into it. THe single photo stuff I put up is a bit too eclecticily presented - Ok now i Have netscape 4.6 - viewing the folder in it is not so pretty. with Explorer 5.0 which photo-net says it supports, it looks better but when I click on details nothing happens or options If i go into the folder calledn Flora - nothing is there - I thought I was just creating a virtual directory which would be a place I could upload pictures in that category. BUt I cant make that work. Ok, one more idea I had... do Ineed to enable Java Console in Explorer? Do I need to create a presentation and then put all the stuff there into the flora folder? annsan the techno idiot
Rose amongst the thorns at the 8th Singapore Buskers' Festival
So I leave Singapore for the UK tomorrow, and am going to miss a good part of the Buskers' Festival. Anyway, Canon's a major sponsor and they're holding a digital photography competition over the week to get the best 'Busker's Moment'. Up for grabs is black 300D kit and some photo printer, which I'll probably win, but that's not my story. So at one of the venues today, I saw this other guy with a DSLR (noted to self: It's lookin' good. Not much competition!). At some point, I was next to him and lo and behold! An *ist D! Not a speccy lens, but it felt like a familiar face. Are you taking part in the photo competition too? Oh no.. I'm the official photographer.. Pretty cool, I thought. Good to see an official position with some faith in scorpion moustache gear. Anyway. He wasn't really the talky kind so I slowly drifted away. By the way, for any of youse thinking about visiting Singapore anytime soon, beware. It's Canon infested. I kid you not! They seem to sponsor everything, and everywhere you go, you'll see big red letters. If you looked on the roads, every 3rd car is a taxi. Every 5th taxi has a Canon logo on it's advertising board! It's crazy. One saving grace however, I -think- I looked out of my window the other day and saw a Pentax ad on a double-decker bus. I was too sluggish on the draw, and couldn't get my camera out in time. I had a really good reason for wanting the shot though. If you ever read my nonsense, you'll have noticed by now I've given up the ist D for the 20D. The ad though, if I saw it right, said 'Pentax is who I am'! How totally neat! Lousy marketing still, but I thought it'd be nice way to let everyone know I'm not beyond redemption :-) So. Yes. I spent the whole day trying to get a competition winning shot, and get this- day 4 or 5 with the camera, and I've hit slightly more than 1350 frames. 5fps drive and a flash which can keep up is a -really- easy way to clock up some mileage. Also, I thought that competition was going to be easy, seeing how it didn't look like that many people were shooting buskers, but the last venue I went to today was mad! I've never seen so many laypeople (sometimes you can more or less guess) with DSLRs! I guess the technology's really taken off here. Mostly 300D shooters, though I spotted a 10D or 2, 1 other 20D, an ist D, several D70's, and quite a few prosumer cameras too. PS digitals were so abundant I won't even start. Enough ranting. Cheers, Ryan
Re: *istDS $899 at BH
1:5 supposedly, I get a very different result using angle of view comparisons using fCalc. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Paul - or anyone: what's the crop factor for the istd v 35mm lens (1.5? 1.6?) Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
It's only disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! Thats like buying a car with its only disadvantages being a wimpy engine and a bad suspension... JCO -Original Message- From: Carlos Royo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Jens Bladt escribió: So, I tested my lenses. It's really, really bad. My Tokina is absolutely worthless. It may be due to wrong focusing on a digital, but I doubt it. I always have considered this an excellent lens. Befor I bought it I tested it agains my Pentax FA 28-80mm Powerzomm, and found that the Tokina was sharper. In 2001 I wa on an Irish mountain on a stormy day. I fell I smashed my on a rock. It got a little loose, but I managed to tighten some screws inside as well as streighten the boyonet mount, which was slightly bent. I have used it ever since. Without noticing something was wrong. Now I am wondering if half of my bad film reslults - and half of my bad scanning experiences were really caused by this lens!!!??? Most of the not very sharp pictures/scans I got from my MZ-S!!!??? Hi Jens: Your Tokina must be damaged indeed. I have this lens, and I also had the F 35-80 4-5.6, until I sold the latter last January, and the Tokina is sharper. In fact, it is very sharp for a zoom lens, its only disadvantages being noticeable barrel distortion at 28 mm. and that it is a flare prone lens, compared to SMC Pentax lenses.
RE: *istDS $899 at BH
anyone know the dimensions of the active area of the sensor? it would be simple to calculate. I thought someone said it was 1.55 here a long time ago when the camera came out. JCO -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *istDS $899 at BH 1:5 supposedly, I get a very different result using angle of view comparisons using fCalc. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Paul - or anyone: what's the crop factor for the istd v 35mm lens (1.5? 1.6?) Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO - trunk
I like the concept. It seems there are two things that detract for me. One is that the peeled bark near the top and out into the green is soft and my eye is drawn to it. That needs to be sharply in focus. The other is that the main trunk is quite flat in lighting. Maybe a reflector to punch it up just a bit. The idea is nice and seems worth pursuing. Bruce Sunday, November 14, 2004, 12:33:57 AM, you wrote: DN I've taken quite a few shots of this subject, and this photo has been DN sitting in photoshop for a day and a half while I've debated whether or DN not to post it, but now I've looked at it too many times and have no DN idea of its merits. It's just annoying to me that I can't make a DN stunning image from something that to me is really cool in real life... DN My feeling is that it's sort of mundane, but I'd be appreciative of any DN comments, to the contrary or corroboratory. DN http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/trunk.jpg DN If anyone likes it I may post some other photos on this sort of theme. DN If no-one likes it I'll try harder (-: DN Cheers, DN David
Re: PAW - Triangle
I like it overall, but wish there was a sense of scale. I have no idea how big this thing is. The colors are very nice and the blue sky accentuates it well. Might be nice to burn in the shadowed rocks just a touch more. Bruce Sunday, November 14, 2004, 12:50:19 AM, you wrote: DM Hi all, DM A photo from a place I was wanting to return to this weekend. I would DM have gone if the weather forecasts had been accurate :( DM http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=14-Nov-2004 DM Cheers, DM - Dave DM http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket
I have one called Sof' Shoulder. However, I bought it 25 years ago, so I don't remember who made it. It's a very nice setup for on camera flash, but it can also be mounted on a tripod. On Nov 14, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Steve Pearson wrote: Hi all, I tried searching the archives, but could not find this. Also, someone sent me some info. awhile ago, but I lost it. I'm trying to find a bracket that would hold a flash and an umbrella, mounted into a standard tripod thread. Does anyone know if this even exists? I've search BH, Adorama, KEH, etc. to no avail. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop
That's me always the diplomat. Shel Belinkoff wrote: LOL I wish I could be so succinct and direct Shel [Original Message] From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2004 8:09:57 AM Subject: Re: OT: Reducing File Size with Photoshop For display you twit... (You should really keep up on these threads). Caveman wrote: Why do you want to reduce file size ? Storage space is so cheap now. It doesn't really matter. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Dave, That is a nice shot! The background is great and having him standing up on the rock...The only improvement I can think of would be to have him looking directly at you. Bruce Saturday, November 13, 2004, 5:19:45 PM, you wrote: bcin Got busy Friday night and developed a few rolls of Tmax bcin 100 from Sept and October. Some bcin swamps bcin and Split rail fences on roll two,but i like this one of bcin Copper. Very over cast day,in the bcin hills of bcin Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom,developed bcin in Tmax developer. I went over bcin the time bcin by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop bcin watch.g(It was Friday night after bcin all.LOL) bcin Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. bcin http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg bcin Dave
RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
I have found it no more prone to flare than other wide angle lenses. I good lens hood is usually crutial for a wide angel, isn't it? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. november 2004 17:24 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! It's only disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! Thats like buying a car with its only disadvantages being a wimpy engine and a bad suspension... JCO -Original Message- From: Carlos Royo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Jens Bladt escribió: So, I tested my lenses. It's really, really bad. My Tokina is absolutely worthless. It may be due to wrong focusing on a digital, but I doubt it. I always have considered this an excellent lens. Befor I bought it I tested it agains my Pentax FA 28-80mm Powerzomm, and found that the Tokina was sharper. In 2001 I wa on an Irish mountain on a stormy day. I fell I smashed my on a rock. It got a little loose, but I managed to tighten some screws inside as well as streighten the boyonet mount, which was slightly bent. I have used it ever since. Without noticing something was wrong. Now I am wondering if half of my bad film reslults - and half of my bad scanning experiences were really caused by this lens!!!??? Most of the not very sharp pictures/scans I got from my MZ-S!!!??? Hi Jens: Your Tokina must be damaged indeed. I have this lens, and I also had the F 35-80 4-5.6, until I sold the latter last January, and the Tokina is sharper. In fact, it is very sharp for a zoom lens, its only disadvantages being noticeable barrel distortion at 28 mm. and that it is a flare prone lens, compared to SMC Pentax lenses.
Re: OT: photo.net help needed
Hi Ann, Congratulations. I'm going to go take a look. If you want pictures to appear in a certain order, you have to upload them in order. The last one to be uploaded will be the first one displayed. I did that with my wakeboarding folder. Creating a presentation will also allow you to place the shots in a preordained order. Paul On Nov 14, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: You shouldn't have to create a presentation to put pictures in a folder. If your images are PhotoShop jpegs, you will have to do a save for web to strip the exif data and make them PhotoNet compatible. I have no idea why your browser would limit you in PhotoShop. I use both Safari and Explorer with no problems. I've even used an old version of Netscape Communicator. annsan replies Problem solved by download Mozilla to browse with. Browser limited me not in photoshop, but at Photo.net. Couldnt get the menu to show up for adding pics to a folder. Piece of cake, now. I did the save for web thing from (almost) the get go cause photo net tells you that the minute you try to bring in a file that was saved otherwise. I've got 8 pics in my single photo miscellaneous folder and three in Flora - I couldnt get the option menu to load in either Netscape Com. 4.6 _or_ Explorer 5.0 - Rob Studdart clued me about Mozilla (though you guys had chatted about it here now and then) All in all, I'm loving photo.net - though I'd prefer a black wall (I thought Amita and Larry's smugmug stuff looked really nice) to hang the photos on and I can't seem to control the order the photos show up. It is also a humbling experience - lots of gorgeous stuff there! Now if only if you could leave the day of the month blank on your details list... :) Best, ann On Nov 13, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: You guys are a better resource than the site... I suppose the answer is I have to upgrade my browser - I can up load single photos into the single photo folder but after creating a flora folder I don't seem to be able to load anything into it. THe single photo stuff I put up is a bit too eclecticily presented - Ok now i Have netscape 4.6 - viewing the folder in it is not so pretty. with Explorer 5.0 which photo-net says it supports, it looks better but when I click on details nothing happens or options If i go into the folder calledn Flora - nothing is there - I thought I was just creating a virtual directory which would be a place I could upload pictures in that category. BUt I cant make that work. Ok, one more idea I had... do Ineed to enable Java Console in Explorer? Do I need to create a presentation and then put all the stuff there into the flora folder? annsan the techno idiot
Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
I have this lens, and I also had the F 35-80 4-5.6, until I sold the latter last January, and the Tokina is sharper. In fact, it is very sharp for a zoom lens, its only disadvantages being noticeable barrel distortion at 28 mm. and that it is a flare prone lens, compared to SMC Pentax lenses. Tokina must have put a multi-coating that is not as good as Angenieux's on its lens as the Angenieux father lens is said to be very good against flare. Andre
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
Hmm.. I didn't get the original message. I guess better late than never.. Howard never really believed his folks when they told him it wasn't abnormal to have an early growth spurt.. Sam, what a fantastic pic! I love it! Do a series! Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:25 AM Subject: Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Chicago Walkaround
Yes, It's one of the new sculptures in Millenium Park. The visual impact is stunning in contrast to the right angles in the buildings. Bob On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:20:25 -0500, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. What is that. I didn't see it. Is it in Millennium Park? I only had four or five hours of free time, so I did about two hours on North Michigan Avenue and another two hours in Andersonville. Paul On Nov 14, 2004, at 2:08 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Paul, Better photos of the Chicago ship. http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/ship1.jpg http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/ship2.jpg Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 01:06:27 -0600, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, Did you get to see the ship? http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/ship3.jpg Regards, Bob S. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:59:20 -0500, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another shot from my Chicago walkaround of a couple of weeks ago. After the Wrigley building, it's probably the most over-photographed structure in Chicago. I tried to get a fresh perspective by juxtaposing it against another structure. My main subject is in shade, the backdrop in full sun. Shot with the *istD and the DA 16-45 at 18mm, f8, ISO 200, 1/250. (Don't you just love metadata?:-) It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2849112
Re: JPEG Compression Made Slightly-Less-Complicated (was Re: Reducing File Size with Photoshop)
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:12:50 +0100, Sam Jost wrote: The image format for your pennies are called fractal compressors. Other compression types that could be considered analogous to the pennies example would be Run-Length encoding and Quad-Tree encoding. In Run-Length Encoding (RLE), the pennies are analogous to individual pixels. One-dimensional RLE looks for sequences of pixels in a horizontal line that are the same color, and encodes them as a (color,count) pair. More complex RLE compressors will record either the colors of the pixels, or a (color,count) pair if the count is large enough that the pair is smaller than the data for the original run of pixels. In two-dimensional RLE, the algorithm encodes the first scan line the same way that one-dimensional RLE does. After the first scan line, it takes the differences in the colors of pixels between the current scan line and the previous scan line. It then encodes the runs in the difference. If two scan lines are the same, the difference between them is a single pair that covers the entire scan line, drastically reducing the stored size of the information. Faxes use encodings similar to this. Since a pixel in a fax image must be either black or white, fax compression doesn't need to store the colors directly; each line will start with a pixel of a certain color, and the colors will alternate from there. In fact, a compressed fax image is pretty much just a bunch of run lengths in scan line order. The algorithm assumes that the first run of pixels is white, for example. If it's really black, the algorithm inserts a white run of zero pixels into the output, so that every line starts with a pixel of the same color. Quad-Tree encoding does something similar, but different. In this encoding, the pennies are analogous to rectangles within the image. Quad-Tree encoding looks at the image data as a rectangle instead of a series of scan lines. It takes the entire image and splits it into four sections, down the middle vertically and across the middle horizontally. +---+---+ | | | | 1 | 2 | | | | +---+---+ | | | | 3 | 4 | | | | +---+---+ Conceptually, the beginning of the tree is a single color that represents the entire image. That color is the average color of each of the four sections. Each section is treated the same way, split into quarters and assigned the average color of its four sections, which are then split into four sections, ... until each section represents a pixel. The splitting can get tricky when the image dimensions aren't powers of two, or are different in one direction than the other, but it's not unmanageable. If the color of a section is close enough to the colors of the other three sections, or the average, or whatever, the values for some of the sections don't need to be saved. There are a ton of optimizations on both of these encodings that can have dramatic effects on which images compress well with each one. Fax images, for example, compress the run-length values on top of the run-length encoding. Quad-tree representations, on the other hand, can give really good progressive effects if the image is drawn as the image data is received. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
100 mm f/2.8 F Macro - 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro
Are there any differences between 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro and 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro, let's say in optics or mechanics? Peter, Sweden
Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
J. C. O'Connell escribi: It's only disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! Thats like buying a car with its only disadvantages being a wimpy engine and a bad suspension... Every 24-to-something or 28-to-something I've had or used showed more distortion than a 24 or 28 prime. It is something you have to live with when using a wide to tele zoom. And all non Pentax lenses I have used have shown worse coatings than SMC.
Re: *istDS $899 at BH
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:29:24 -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote: Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. I went to Wolf Camera yesterday only to find out I'd misread the ad and it was the *ist DS they had for US$ 999.95. Oh well. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote: It's only disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! Thats like buying a car with its only disadvantages being a wimpy engine and a bad suspension... Actuall, no, it's like buying a car with little low-end torque and problems in the wet. Still OK for a sports car. Kostas
Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
Jens Bladt escribió: I have found it no more prone to flare than other wide angle lenses. I good lens hood is usually crutial for a wide angel, isn't it? I always use it with the original hood, but in the bright sunny days so common here in Southern Europe, it is evident that this lens flares much more than, for example, the FA 28-70 4.0 I also used to have, which had superb flare resistance.
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
So Sam, Did you buy the insurance? (AFLAK Duck) Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:25:17 -0500, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro - 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro
Peter, The optical formula and mechanics are different. I don't have the FA or F, but I believe both use internal focus mechanisms. Theses lenses don't change length as you focus. I am not sure if there is much difference in image quality. I'd be interested in any comparisons. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:07:18 +0100, Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any differences between 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro and 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro, let's say in optics or mechanics? Peter, Sweden
Re: PESO -- Emerald City
Who says you can't use telephoto lenses for landscapes... Certainly not me. I regularly use 200, 300 600 mm lenses for landscapes Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:47 AM Subject: PESO -- Emerald City Who says you can't use telephoto lenses for landscapes... (Well I guess I'll find out if and when I receive any comments). http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_emerald_city.html As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Oh yes some technical information Pentax LX w/Pentax SMC-F 70-210mm (at 210mm). Speed approximately 250 f approximately 11. Film Fuji Superia Xtra ISO 400 Scanned using Acer 2720s. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
RE: 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro - 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro
Bob, I'm afraid both lenses are not IF... I have the FA100/2.8 and the front bit does stick out when I focus. Andy -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 1:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro - 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro Peter, The optical formula and mechanics are different. I don't have the FA or F, but I believe both use internal focus mechanisms. Theses lenses don't change length as you focus. I am not sure if there is much difference in image quality. I'd be interested in any comparisons. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:07:18 +0100, Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any differences between 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro and 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro, let's say in optics or mechanics? Peter, Sweden
Re: PESO - trunk
David, my take on your image is that there are the makings of a good image there, IMHO you need to get closer and extract some of the detail shown make it more abstract. As it is posted it's a picture of tree bark, nothing more, nothing less. Hope this helps makes sense. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:33 AM Subject: PESO - trunk I've taken quite a few shots of this subject, and this photo has been sitting in Photoshop for a day and a half while I've debated whether or not to post it, but now I've looked at it too many times and have no idea of its merits. It's just annoying to me that I can't make a stunning image from something that to me is really cool in real life... My feeling is that it's sort of mundane, but I'd be appreciative of any comments, to the contrary or corroboratory. http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/trunk.jpg If anyone likes it I may post some other photos on this sort of theme. If no-one likes it I'll try harder (-: Cheers, David
Re: PAW - Triangle
Very nicely composed. You've obtained a nice balance between light dark, substance void. Good eye! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: PAW - Triangle Hi all, A photo from a place I was wanting to return to this weekend. I would have gone if the weather forecasts had been accurate :( http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=14-Nov-2004 Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Rose amongst the thorns at the 8th Singapore Buskers' Festival
On 15/11/04, Ryan Lee, discombobulated, unleashed: So I leave Singapore for the UK tomorrow Look me up after you've settled in down in Devon. I'll let you play with some 'real' lenses ;-) have a good trip. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket
Here you go: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ff This guy has all kinds of cool stuff! I'm sure he'll sell the flash/umbrella mount seperately. All you need to mount on a tripod is a 1/4 coupling from the hardware store. They're used for connecting two pieces of threaded rod. (Amongst other things) ;-) Don -Original Message- From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:06 AM To: Pentax Discussion Board Subject: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket Hi all, I tried searching the archives, but could not find this. Also, someone sent me some info. awhile ago, but I lost it. I'm trying to find a bracket that would hold a flash and an umbrella, mounted into a standard tripod thread. Does anyone know if this even exists? I've search BH, Adorama, KEH, etc. to no avail. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket
I think one was made by Larson Enterprises - think they made the original Sof' Shoulder, too. Their web site doesn't show much, but it's under construction. Besides the Sof' Shoulder, the one I'm remembering could be held and clamped to a light stand using their Universal Clamp. Might do well to contact them directly. http://www.larson-ent.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=contact (The Other) Paul - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket I have one called Sof' Shoulder. However, I bought it 25 years ago, so I don't remember who made it. It's a very nice setup for on camera flash, but it can also be mounted on a tripod. On Nov 14, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Steve Pearson wrote: Hi all, I tried searching the archives, but could not find this. Also, someone sent me some info. awhile ago, but I lost it. I'm trying to find a bracket that would hold a flash and an umbrella, mounted into a standard tripod thread. Does anyone know if this even exists? I've search BH, Adorama, KEH, etc. to no avail. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
RE: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket
Here you go: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ff This guy has all kinds of cool stuff! I'm sure he'll sell the flash/umbrella mount seperately. All you need to mount on a tripod is a 1/4 coupling from the hardware store. They're used for connecting two pieces of threaded rod. (Amongst other things) ;-) Don -Original Message- From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:06 AM To: Pentax Discussion Board Subject: Help me find a flash/umbrella bracket Hi all, I tried searching the archives, but could not find this. Also, someone sent me some info. awhile ago, but I lost it. I'm trying to find a bracket that would hold a flash and an umbrella, mounted into a standard tripod thread. Does anyone know if this even exists? I've search BH, Adorama, KEH, etc. to no avail. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Looking for PDMLer in Billings MT area
Hi! A friend of mine is pondering which camera to buy. It very well could be Pentax *istD as it is the camera he gave me as a gift!? And he is kinda interested in finding a local to him PDMLer to take advantage of :). Anyone who lives close to Billing MT area, please contact me off-list. Thanks. -- Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
Missed the original post. Sam, that's a great funshot. Is it as angry as it looks, or just tempted by eg. breadcrumbs...:-) jostein - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: *istDS $899 at BH
The camera supplies the 35mm equivalent focal length in a separate field in the EXIF. For a shot made with a FA 50/1.4, it lists the equivalent focal length as 75mm, so the crop factor should be exactly 1,5 rather than 1,55 as was mentioned early after the camera's release. Jostein - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: RE: *istDS $899 at BH Paul - or anyone: what's the crop factor for the istd v 35mm lens (1.5? 1.6?) Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
Ryan Lee wrote: Hmm.. I didn't get the original message. I guess better late than never.. Howard never really believed his folks when they told him it wasn't abnormal to have an early growth spurt.. Sam, what a fantastic pic! I love it! Do a series! You could call them The attack of the 50ft(10metre doesn't sound so good?) filling in the xxx's with whatever the subject happens to be. pedant I think it's a swan - which is a type of duck... /pedant Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:25 AM Subject: Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! It's only disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! The distortion may not be a problem in a lot of shooting situations (landscapes and the like), and he did say flare prone compared to an SMC lens, which are generally not very flare prone. Barrel distortion is a problem with a lot of zooms, one just has to be aware of it and not put the lens in a situation where it will fail. Zooms are like that, everything is a compromise. Flare is an issue that can often be solved with a lens hood. William Robb
RE: *istDS $899 at BH
On 14 Nov 2004 at 11:27, J. C. O'Connell wrote: anyone know the dimensions of the active area of the sensor? it would be simple to calculate. I thought someone said it was 1.55 here a long time ago when the camera came out. If it uses the same sensor as the *ist D (which I believe has been reported) then 28.4mm diagonal, therefore it's a 1.52x crop factor, close enough to 1.5 http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news/vol28/pdf/icx413np.pdf Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: *istDS $899 at BH
Bad, bad, Doug. Say three hail Pentax's for your sin of misleading the list. Doug Franklin wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:29:24 -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote: Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. I went to Wolf Camera yesterday only to find out I'd misread the ad and it was the *ist DS they had for US$ 999.95. Oh well. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro - 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro
Mechanically they seem to be very different, however Boz's site has the same optical diagram for both http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/short-tele/F100f2.8-Macro.html http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/short-tele/FA100f2.8-Macro.html Peter Smekal wrote: Are there any differences between 100 mm f/2.8 F Macro and 100 mm f2.8 FA Macro, let's say in optics or mechanics? Peter, Sweden -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
RE: *istDS $899 at BH
That may be right but actual dimensions of the sensor active area woud be a better reference. jco -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *istDS $899 at BH The camera supplies the 35mm equivalent focal length in a separate field in the EXIF. For a shot made with a FA 50/1.4, it lists the equivalent focal length as 75mm, so the crop factor should be exactly 1,5 rather than 1,55 as was mentioned early after the camera's release. Jostein - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: RE: *istDS $899 at BH Paul - or anyone: what's the crop factor for the istd v 35mm lens (1.5? 1.6?) Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday's mail included the new BH catalog. They are showing the *istDS at $899. For the DA 16-45 they said you had to call for a price. That usually means it's priced below dealer wholesale. Still no listing for the DA 14/2.8. Paul
Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Zooms do not inherently have to have noticeable distortion, sure a lot of cheap ones do, but that does not make it acceptable or minor problem IMHO. Distortion to me is a VERY BAD problem and gives a lot a photos a very unprofessional, amateur look and not just on architecture either. Even landscapes can easily show distortion problems on horizons or trees. Pretty much any wide angle zoom (retrofocal design) is going to be distortion prone. It doesn't matter what price point it is at. It's the nature of them. Note, in my original post, I did not say that distortion is inherent to zooms. If distortion is such a bad problem to you, why are you so insistent on distorting what people write way out of proportion to what they actually say? With regards to flare prone lenses, more often than not it CANT be cured with just a lens hood because in my experience lenses that exhibit flare easily with non-image incident light on the lens surface, also tend to exhibit more flare with image light and using a hood doesn't fix that. The only really effective way to solve the problem of a flare prone lens is to get rid of it immediately! If you go back and read the original post in it's entirety, you will find he did not say the lens was flare prone, just flarier than an SMC lens. This isn't the same as what you are distorting, ermm sorry, asserting. OTOH, I don't have a lot of use for zooms, I have found them all to be too compromised in one way or another to be usable. William Robb
RAW file size variation? (Dumb Question #3485438345)
In my quest to understand all this stuff... Why do the .PEF file sizes vary so much? I just took 30 exposures, the files vary from 12,244KB to 14,239KB. I thought this might be tied to complexity or perhaps brightness of the subject, but it doesn't seem to be. Here are 3 results I obtained: (All at 150th/f:5.6 in weak daylight) 1.) Shot with lenscap on = 12,244KB 2.) Detailed shot of dried flowers = 12,875KB 3.) Shot of plain white wall = 12,572KB Any ideas? Don
Re: RAW file size variation? (Dumb Question #3485438345)
On 14 Nov 2004 at 14:18, Don Sanderson wrote: In my quest to understand all this stuff... Why do the .PEF file sizes vary so much? I just took 30 exposures, the files vary from 12,244KB to 14,239KB. They also contain an embedded jpg file which is supposedly used for histogram generation and review in camera. The Pentax RAW file is bloated, my average PEF file size (over 5k images) is 13,489,592B Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
Yes, he said the lens was more flare prone than a SMC lens. One would have to assume under same conditions. Either both using hoods or both not using hoods. If his comparison was with hoods, then adding one didn't help did it? If the comparison was without hoods my point is yes, adding hoods may help but lenses that are worse without hoods also almost always tend to me worse with hoods too as image light can and does cause flare too and hoods don't help that. JCO -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Zooms do not inherently have to have noticeable distortion, sure a lot of cheap ones do, but that does not make it acceptable or minor problem IMHO. Distortion to me is a VERY BAD problem and gives a lot a photos a very unprofessional, amateur look and not just on architecture either. Even landscapes can easily show distortion problems on horizons or trees. Pretty much any wide angle zoom (retrofocal design) is going to be distortion prone. It doesn't matter what price point it is at. It's the nature of them. Note, in my original post, I did not say that distortion is inherent to zooms. If distortion is such a bad problem to you, why are you so insistent on distorting what people write way out of proportion to what they actually say? With regards to flare prone lenses, more often than not it CANT be cured with just a lens hood because in my experience lenses that exhibit flare easily with non-image incident light on the lens surface, also tend to exhibit more flare with image light and using a hood doesn't fix that. The only really effective way to solve the problem of a flare prone lens is to get rid of it immediately! If you go back and read the original post in it's entirety, you will find he did not say the lens was flare prone, just flarier than an SMC lens. This isn't the same as what you are distorting, ermm sorry, asserting. OTOH, I don't have a lot of use for zooms, I have found them all to be too compromised in one way or another to be usable. William Robb
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
I might give that one a try, I always stayed close to people feeding them. Sam From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
you are not that late. I'll try to make more, it's fun! But that will take some time, for now my succes rate for these is 1%. nice comment, thanks! Sam - Original Message - From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm.. I didn't get the original message. I guess better late than never.. Howard never really believed his folks when they told him it wasn't abnormal to have an early growth spurt.. Sam, what a fantastic pic! I love it! Do a series! Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:25 AM Subject: Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
I'm not sure. Maybe it's believing in loss of soul by taking pictures and tried to stop me? But probably it wanted breadcrumbs from me as reward for the pictures and was annoyed I didn't pay the fee. The day they start coloring themselves I'll start to get really worried!! Sam From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Missed the original post. Sam, that's a great funshot. Is it as angry as it looks, or just tempted by eg. breadcrumbs...:-) jostein - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture My god, he's about to be attacked by a duck! I suppose that's one way to get close to them, annoy them until they attack. Sam Jost wrote: For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture
- Original Message - From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] The day they start coloring themselves I'll start to get really worried!! LOL. I'd love to see a pic of *that*. Keep'em coming, Sam. It's great fun. Jostein
Re: OT: photo.net help needed
Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Ann, Congratulations. I'm going to go take a look. If you want pictures to appear in a certain order, you have to upload them in order. The last one to be uploaded will be the first one displayed. I did that with my wakeboarding folder. Creating a presentation will also allow you to place the shots in a preordained order. Paul ahah but when I viewed my single shot stuff this afternoon, it rearranged the thumbnails :) But it didnt do that with the Flora folder... which isn't um fully developed yet anyway. ann going to dinner now On Nov 14, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: You shouldn't have to create a presentation to put pictures in a folder. If your images are PhotoShop jpegs, you will have to do a save for web to strip the exif data and make them PhotoNet compatible. I have no idea why your browser would limit you in PhotoShop. I use both Safari and Explorer with no problems. I've even used an old version of Netscape Communicator. annsan replies Problem solved by download Mozilla to browse with. Browser limited me not in photoshop, but at Photo.net. Couldnt get the menu to show up for adding pics to a folder. Piece of cake, now. I did the save for web thing from (almost) the get go cause photo net tells you that the minute you try to bring in a file that was saved otherwise. I've got 8 pics in my single photo miscellaneous folder and three in Flora - I couldnt get the option menu to load in either Netscape Com. 4.6 _or_ Explorer 5.0 - Rob Studdart clued me about Mozilla (though you guys had chatted about it here now and then) All in all, I'm loving photo.net - though I'd prefer a black wall (I thought Amita and Larry's smugmug stuff looked really nice) to hang the photos on and I can't seem to control the order the photos show up. It is also a humbling experience - lots of gorgeous stuff there! Now if only if you could leave the day of the month blank on your details list... :) Best, ann On Nov 13, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: You guys are a better resource than the site... I suppose the answer is I have to upgrade my browser - I can up load single photos into the single photo folder but after creating a flora folder I don't seem to be able to load anything into it. THe single photo stuff I put up is a bit too eclecticily presented - Ok now i Have netscape 4.6 - viewing the folder in it is not so pretty. with Explorer 5.0 which photo-net says it supports, it looks better but when I click on details nothing happens or options If i go into the folder calledn Flora - nothing is there - I thought I was just creating a virtual directory which would be a place I could upload pictures in that category. BUt I cant make that work. Ok, one more idea I had... do Ineed to enable Java Console in Explorer? Do I need to create a presentation and then put all the stuff there into the flora folder? annsan the techno idiot
Re: RAW file size variation? (Dumb Question #3485438345)
- Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: RAW file size variation? (Dumb Question #3485438345) In my quest to understand all this stuff... Why do the .PEF file sizes vary so much? I just took 30 exposures, the files vary from 12,244KB to 14,239KB. Bloated files. They have at least one JPEG imbedded in the file, which I expect is where the size variations reside. A PEF file converted to Adobe DNG is something like 5mb. I would like to see DNG adopted as an industry standard, but I am not holding out much hope. William Robb
Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Yes, he said the lens was more flare prone than a SMC lens. One would have to assume under same conditions. I wouldn't count on that. William Robb
RE: RAW file size variation? (Dumb Question #3485438345)
Thanks, I still wonder why a jpeg with no detail would take more space than a detailed one. Bloated files.hmmm I wonder.is Pentax related to Micros***...NAH! ;-) Don -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RAW file size variation? (Dumb Question #3485438345) - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: RAW file size variation? (Dumb Question #3485438345) In my quest to understand all this stuff... Why do the .PEF file sizes vary so much? I just took 30 exposures, the files vary from 12,244KB to 14,239KB. Bloated files. They have at least one JPEG imbedded in the file, which I expect is where the size variations reside. A PEF file converted to Adobe DNG is something like 5mb. I would like to see DNG adopted as an industry standard, but I am not holding out much hope. William Robb
Re: DA-14 Fun Picture
Certainly different Sam. A little more side view would help identify the bird. Nice capture.\ Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:08 AM Subject: PESO: DA-14 Fun Picture For me the best use of the new DA-14 lens on my *istD is making fun pictures like these: http://www.radeldudel.de/images/0411Ju2.JPG I tried making 'normal' pictures with this lens, but they all turned out boring. Sam
RE: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Hi Don. I scanned the negative. I developed the roll at home,so i just had the neg's to work with. Epson 2450 using the Epson software,scanned at 1600 then resized to 150 for PS save for web plugin. Is there something wrong.?? Dave BTW thanks for the earlier comment. Don asked: Dave, how did you get this to the web, did you scan the neg or the print? Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg Dave
Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Great pose. Looks like a chapion. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:19 AM Subject: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW Got busy Friday night and developed a few rolls of Tmax 100 from Sept and October. Some swamps and Split rail fences on roll two,but i like this one of Copper. Very over cast day,in the hills of Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom,developed in Tmax developer. I went over the time by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop watch.g(It was Friday night after all.LOL) Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg Dave
RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!
well it would be pretty dumb for the original poster to make a general statement that the tokina lens was more flare prone than the SMC pentax without assuming similar working condtions when making the comparison. I give him more credit than that. Are you trying to say he could be comparing SMC lenses with hoods to the Tokina without and then declarinig the tokina as more flare prone in error due to really faulty testing? jeeze... JCO -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Yes, he said the lens was more flare prone than a SMC lens. One would have to assume under same conditions. I wouldn't count on that. William Robb
Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW
Should have been - champion Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW Great pose. Looks like a chapion. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:19 AM Subject: Paw Another shot of Copper in BW Got busy Friday night and developed a few rolls of Tmax 100 from Sept and October. Some swamps and Split rail fences on roll two,but i like this one of Copper. Very over cast day,in the hills of Madawaska Ontario,K1000 with 35-80 4.5/5.6 zoom,developed in Tmax developer. I went over the time by 35 sec cause i was not paying attention to the stop watch.g(It was Friday night after all.LOL) Hope you enjoy and comments welcome. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/copper2.jpg Dave
