Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Storage cards are not an investment. They are depreciable consumables. Investments are stocks, bonds, money market and savings accounts. Frankly, I think Pentax has shown concern for their customers by moving to SD cards, which allow the cameras to be smaller, and since SD cards are the (current) wave of the future, I see Pentax as looking forward. I see advances being made with SD cards and either limited or no further advances made with CF cards. There may be more choices available with SD cards (newegg.com lists 90 SD cards v only 45 CF cards). A quick look around shows more choices for faster (80X or greater speed cards) SD cards than there are with CF cards. And it seems that there are more bargains to be had with SD cards than with CF cards. Finally, any number of people on this list claim that SD cards are less prone to damage than CF cards - I can't speak to that issue. So, based on all of the above - even if only some issues apply to any one person, I'd say that Pentax made the wise choice to go with SD cards. Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. Shel [Original Message] From: Joseph Tainter I get a sense that there will be no further firmware upgrades to these cameras even though that was not specifically stated. - Maybe, maybe not. The only thing certain is that Pentax has already shown a lack of concern for customers investments in storage cards. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
CF v SD Cards
Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Dave On 8/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Correction: should read (a 512MB, 1GB 2GB in my case) Dave On 8/22/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Dave On 8/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Night life on the beach
Thanks Paul. That was quite a studied shot, starting from choosing the right spot to sit with my family and watch the fireworks. Then I took a few shots when the fireworks made enough light available. However, the light was so quick changing and the results were rather unpredictable.This was the first shot, and the best one. Dario - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:56 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Night life on the beach Fascinating. I studied it for quite a while. Love the warm color. The girl's bright cell phone is an interesting departure from the rest of the shot. Well seen and well captured. Paul -- Original message -- From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] For some reason, I rather like this one, taken on the beach while everyone else was watching the fireworks. http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc15e.htm Any comments? Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:18:37 +0100, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You're not logical. What you paid is totally irrelevant. What matters is how much you have to pay now to equip yourself with SD cards. And it's not much. John You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Dave On 8/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
LOL Yeah right. Dave On 8/22/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:18:37 +0100, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You're not logical. What you paid is totally irrelevant. What matters is how much you have to pay now to equip yourself with SD cards. And it's not much. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Investment? The price of storage cards is now so low that if they are typical of your investments you can look forward to a dismal old age. If this sort of attitude governed everything Pentax does, they'd be making Daguerrotypes. John On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:32:23 +0100, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel wrote: I get a sense that there will be no further firmware upgrades to these cameras even though that was not specifically stated. - Maybe, maybe not. The only thing certain is that Pentax has already shown a lack of concern for customers investments in storage cards. Joe -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: any views on K100D vs. Canon Rebel XT (350D)?
On 8/22/06, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for speed, I've tried the 350D only with the kit lens, and it didn't strike me as being faster than what I'm used to from older film Pentaxes. As people are reporting a somewhat significant speedup on the K100D compared to older digital models, which were probably already faster than e.g. my MZ-5n, I wouldn't be surprised if it beats Canons with cheap lenses. But again, I didn't really compare the 350D and my Pentaxes side-by-side. - Toralf My *istDS is slower than my MZ-6. The MZ-5n should be even faster, and the MZ-S... well... -- Best regards, Alex Sarbu -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Night life on the beach
Thanks Bob, It's quite funny to think that a typical Italian scene usually happens in London :-) Dario - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:14 PM Subject: RE: PESO - Night life on the beach Very good indeed. Seems like a particularly Italian scene - a whole bunch of young people lying on top of each other. You see it a lot in the parks in London in summer. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dario Bonazza Sent: 17 August 2006 21:50 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Night life on the beach For some reason, I rather like this one, taken on the beach while everyone else was watching the fireworks. http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc15e.htm Any comments? Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Night life on the beach
Thanks Ken, An orgy? Not enough skin, I'm afraid :-) IMO, what is interesting in this picture is also the background, giving some context. However, I admit that without a proper explanation you could have some problem figuring out the situation, as there's no firework visible. This probably adds some mystery, hence fascination. At least, that's my opinion. I was also thinking of trying some vertical shots including the fireworks, but at the end I didn't find a proper composition, as the fireworks were too high in the sky and too bright compared to the main subject. I could try a composite image, but I'm currently happy with the result. Dario - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Night life on the beach Nice catch. At first blush I thought it was an orgy! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Night life on the beach For some reason, I rather like this one, taken on the beach while everyone else was watching the fireworks. http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc15e.htm Any comments? Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Night life on the beach
Thanks Bruce, If you look carefully, you'll see more cellphones in action in the backgroud. That makes that picture a sign of our times, I think. Dario - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Night life on the beach Hello Dario, It is pretty cool. The explanation does help to know why they are there. I especially like the inclusion of the person with the cell phone. Adds something to the mix. Nice shot! -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, August 17, 2006, 1:50:22 PM, you wrote: DB For some reason, I rather like this one, taken on the beach while everyone DB else was watching the fireworks. DB http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc15e.htm DB Any comments? DB Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Photokina
I'm planning attending the show for business. I'll be there (very busy) for a few days. However, if someone will manage a PDML meeting, I might well show up. Dario - Original Message - From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Photokina Anybody planning to go there end september? Is that any interesting anyway? Would be cool to see the new Pentax there, living in Brussels, it is not that far for me... Any comment? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Night life on the beach
Amending myself: there are some fireworks visible in the background, However, maybe they're not enough for understanding the situation. Dario - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Night life on the beach Thanks Ken, An orgy? Not enough skin, I'm afraid :-) IMO, what is interesting in this picture is also the background, giving some context. However, I admit that without a proper explanation you could have some problem figuring out the situation, as there's no firework visible. This probably adds some mystery, hence fascination. At least, that's my opinion. I was also thinking of trying some vertical shots including the fireworks, but at the end I didn't find a proper composition, as the fireworks were too high in the sky and too bright compared to the main subject. I could try a composite image, but I'm currently happy with the result. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: A few pics from the cruise: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=633960 Most with the *istD and the DA 50-200 (the workhorse lens). Night pics with the FA 50/1.4. The shot of my family is with the Panasonic point and shoot. Thanks for sharing Paul. I liked the Ford Coupe and the Chevy very much. I am not sure that the bubble car is Messerschmitt either, the logo does not look right. Isetta maybe? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Dream Cruise, 2006
Thanks Ken. On Aug 22, 2006, at 12:10 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Nice captures all! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006 A few pics from the cruise: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=633960 Most with the *istD and the DA 50-200 (the workhorse lens). Night pics with the FA 50/1.4. The shot of my family is with the Panasonic point and shoot. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006
Thanks Brendan. There were numerous Mopars in the cruise. I just didn't happen to shoot them this time around. With four lanes of traffic, you can't really pick and choose. You watch for a car in the clear, and if it's nice you fire away. I spend just a couple of hours total shooting, so I gets what I gets:-). Plus, a few years ago I did a cruise article for a Mopar magazine, so I shot nothing but Mopars. Perhaps I'm unconsciously weary of them. Paul On Aug 21, 2006, at 11:19 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Nice work, Paul. That just seems like a lot of fun. My friends from Detroit always tell me about the one out there and how I'd love it. But one question. Where are all the Mopars? -Brendan --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few pics from the cruise: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=633960 Most with the *istD and the DA 50-200 (the workhorse lens). Night pics with the FA 50/1.4. The shot of my family is with the Panasonic point and shoot. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: 55 Chevy with Babes
Thanks Russell. That's part of the fun of shooting pans. You never know whose in the car until you process the pics. It's always fun to discover that someone was watching and knew you were shooting them. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: nice shot, Paul. I agree that the girls looking at the camera make the shot. russell On 8/20/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A pan from yesterday's dream cruise. This is a conventional pan, rather than a slow shutter version. It's at f9.5, 1/30th second with the DA 50-200 @ 75 mm. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4829944size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
True. I have six CF cards, but I'm not the least concerned that the 10 doesn't use them. I think I paid $250 for my first 1 gig card and $59 for my last. I'll keep them for my D, which will be the backup body. I already have one SD card that I bought for my Panasonic PS (a 1 gig), so I'll be ready to shoot the day the K10 comes out of the box. But I'm not going to buy any more SD cards until I have the new camera in my hands. They will undoubtedly continue to tumble in price. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 4:47 AM, John Forbes wrote: Investment? The price of storage cards is now so low that if they are typical of your investments you can look forward to a dismal old age. If this sort of attitude governed everything Pentax does, they'd be making Daguerrotypes. John On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:32:23 +0100, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel wrote: I get a sense that there will be no further firmware upgrades to these cameras even though that was not specifically stated. - Maybe, maybe not. The only thing certain is that Pentax has already shown a lack of concern for customers investments in storage cards. Joe -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
On 22/8/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Seems to me that SD is becoming the consumer standard. CF is still a professional standard and I don't see any sign of that changing. I would suspect that there are probably good reasons for that. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006
I don't know what that itty bitty car is. I think Isettas have a different shaped door and they're not quite that tiny. Unfortunately, the pic is a bit shaky. I was shooting slow-shutter pans, and this guy pulled up in front of me moving quite slowly. So the shutter was at an 1.8th of a second. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:49 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: A few pics from the cruise: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=633960 Most with the *istD and the DA 50-200 (the workhorse lens). Night pics with the FA 50/1.4. The shot of my family is with the Panasonic point and shoot. Thanks for sharing Paul. I liked the Ford Coupe and the Chevy very much. I am not sure that the bubble car is Messerschmitt either, the logo does not look right. Isetta maybe? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:53, David Savage wrote: LOL Yeah right. Dave On 8/22/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:18:37 +0100, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You're not logical. What you paid is totally irrelevant. What matters is how much you have to pay now to equip yourself with SD cards. And it's not much. Dave - While you're LOL'ing, I'm reading John's message and thinking he's totally got it right! -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Aug 22, 2006, at 12:32 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Maybe, maybe not. The only thing certain is that Pentax has already shown a lack of concern for customers investments in storage cards. NOT TO MENTION THEIR LACK OF CONCERN FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS WHO SHOOT A LOT OF FILM!!! I HAVE ALL THIS FILM AND MY NEW CAMERA DOESN'T TAKE FILM! 1) Pentax USA has absolutely no idea what Pentax Japan will do. Good example: they said Photolab 3 absolutely would not be a free upgrade, and suddenly it appeared on the Japanese web site as a free upgrade. 2) Joe, we all know that you are very, very upset that if you buy a new camera you may have to spend $30 to $50 on some new cards to go with it. You can give that one a rest now that we all know it, can't you? Face it, the cards are smaller and more robust and you don't have to worry about bending all those tiny pins in the camera. And they're cheap. So what's the problem? The old cards were expensive. And so what? They're not expensive now. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
I would guess that they're pretty much the same, just a different size. I have no problem with either card. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:08 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006
On 21/8/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: A few pics from the cruise: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=633960 Most with the *istD and the DA 50-200 (the workhorse lens). Night pics with the FA 50/1.4. The shot of my family is with the Panasonic point and shoot. Paul Thanks for posting Paul, lovely work as usual. That bubble car is hilarious. That Cobra is smth. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006
Thanks Cotty. Your previous post prompted me to get off my duff and post these. Paul On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Cotty wrote: On 21/8/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: A few pics from the cruise: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=633960 Most with the *istD and the DA 50-200 (the workhorse lens). Night pics with the FA 50/1.4. The shot of my family is with the Panasonic point and shoot. Paul Thanks for posting Paul, lovely work as usual. That bubble car is hilarious. That Cobra is smth. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Cotty wrote: Seems to me that SD is becoming the consumer standard. CF is still a professional standard and I don't see any sign of that changing. I would suspect that there are probably good reasons for that. Considering that most pro bodies are physically much bigger, there's not as much compelling upside to switch. But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd take the smaller, faster card every time. Why wouldn't you? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:18 AM, David Savage wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. David -- are those cards fast compared to what's out there currently, or would putting them into your new camera put you at a significant write speed disadvantage? Considering when you bought them, I'm going to have to guess that they're very slow compared to what's out there now in SD. So, to save $100 (the total cost of a fast 1GB card and a fast 2GB SD card if you don't shop around for the best price and get screwed on shipping) you would cripple your camera's write speed, effectively reducing the number of frames you could shoot in a row and how quickly you recover after shooting a burst. Why would you do that? Would you buy a $1200 film camera and insist on only putting Gold Max in it? You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Bad for two reasons: 1) makes the camera bigger 2) cheap users will constantly complain on the internet about how slow their very expensive new camera is. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd take the smaller, faster card every time. Why wouldn't you? Actually CompactFlash is capable of far higher speeds than SD. Not that it matters a whole lot, the I/O speeds on Pentax DSLRs is far from stellar (especially the *istD). Although no cards are actually capable of this kind of speed at the moment, the current CF spec is capable of 133MB/sec (thats 886X), where SD spec (including SDHC) is only capable of 20MB/sec (133X) as far as I know. Still, assuming SD can evolve and increase that as card flash speeds increase, its not that important. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006
On 22/8/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Thanks Cotty. Your previous post prompted me to get off my duff and post these. Good job too ;-) It's become one of the PDML perennials, much appreciated to us petrolheads. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
At 06:44 PM 22/08/2006, you wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:18 AM, David Savage wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. David -- are those cards fast compared to what's out there currently, or would putting them into your new camera put you at a significant write speed disadvantage? Considering when you bought them, I'm going to have to guess that they're very slow compared to what's out there now in SD. All of them are Sandisk Ultra II's. Are the SD Ultra II's faster? So, to save $100 (the total cost of a fast 1GB card and a fast 2GB SD card if you don't shop around for the best price and get screwed on shipping) you would cripple your camera's write speed, effectively reducing the number of frames you could shoot in a row and how quickly you recover after shooting a burst. Why would you do that? Would you buy a $1200 film camera and insist on only putting Gold Max in it? Probably, because I'm illogical. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Bad for two reasons: 1) makes the camera bigger 2) cheap users will constantly complain on the internet about how slow their very expensive new camera is. -Aaron The camera (K10D) has already got bigger to fit the SR mechanism. I see your point guy's, it's just the Scottish blood in me that hates paying for stuff again and again. I guess I'm overruled in this matter so I'll just shut my yap. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
On 22/8/06, Aaron Reynolds, discombobulated, unleashed: But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd take the smaller, faster card every time. Why wouldn't you? I'm not saying I wouldn't. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
On 22.08.2006, at 12:52 , Peter Loveday wrote: Actually CompactFlash is capable of far higher speeds than SD. Not that it matters a whole lot, the I/O speeds on Pentax DSLRs is far from stellar (especially the *istD). Although no cards are actually capable of this kind of speed at the moment, the current CF spec is capable of 133MB/sec (thats 886X), where SD spec (including SDHC) is only capable of 20MB/sec (133X) as far as I know. Still, assuming SD can evolve and increase that as card flash speeds increase, its not that important. So far real world tests show that usually SD cards are somehat faster than their CF equivalents. See here: http://robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-7344 Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
Capable, sure, but what can you get for the same price? The *ist D isn't worth comparing, speed-wise, as even Pentax's cheapest DSLR outperforms it by a large margin now. -Aaron -- http://aaronreynolds.ca http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 7:22 am Size: 817 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd take the smaller, faster card every time. Why wouldn't you? Actually CompactFlash is capable of far higher speeds than SD. Not that it matters a whole lot, the I/O speeds on Pentax DSLRs is far from stellar (especially the *istD). Although no cards are actually capable of this kind of speed at the moment, the current CF spec is capable of 133MB/sec (thats 886X), where SD spec (including SDHC) is only capable of 20MB/sec (133X) as far as I know. Still, assuming SD can evolve and increase that as card flash speeds increase, its not that important. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
I've never shopped by name, so I don't know what the write speed of an Ultra II translates to. -Aaron -- http://aaronreynolds.ca http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2 Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 7:03 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net At 06:44 PM 22/08/2006, you wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:18 AM, David Savage wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. David -- are those cards fast compared to what's out there currently, or would putting them into your new camera put you at a significant write speed disadvantage? Considering when you bought them, I'm going to have to guess that they're very slow compared to what's out there now in SD. All of them are Sandisk Ultra II's. Are the SD Ultra II's faster? So, to save $100 (the total cost of a fast 1GB card and a fast 2GB SD card if you don't shop around for the best price and get screwed on shipping) you would cripple your camera's write speed, effectively reducing the number of frames you could shoot in a row and how quickly you recover after shooting a burst. Why would you do that? Would you buy a $1200 film camera and insist on only putting Gold Max in it? Probably, because I'm illogical. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Bad for two reasons: 1) makes the camera bigger 2) cheap users will constantly complain on the internet about how slow their very expensive new camera is. -Aaron The camera (K10D) has already got bigger to fit the SR mechanism. I see your point guy's, it's just the Scottish blood in me that hates paying for stuff again and again. I guess I'm overruled in this matter so I'll just shut my yap. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: 55 Chevy with Babes
Paul Stenquist wrote: A pan from yesterday's dream cruise. This is a conventional pan, rather than a slow shutter version. It's at f9.5, 1/30th second with the DA 50-200 @ 75 mm. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4829944size=lg Late with a comment here but... I really love this shot. It's a people shot and a car shot in one. Almost makes me want to move back to Detroit. Almost. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Testing the K100D and some more K10D hype
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 22, actually. 42 is just ridiculous. Utterly improbable. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Aug 22, 2006, at 4:03 AM, David Savage wrote: I see your point guy's, it's just the Scottish blood in me that hates paying for stuff again and again. Did you ever buy film? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? CF cards are harder (for me, anyway) to lose, and they're easier to manipulate than SD cards. And, if you have any loss of mobility in your fingers or hands, ease of manipulation is a _big_ deal. I really don't care for SD because it's so small it's easier to drop, lose, fall down the sewer grate, get swallowed by the dog, ... Heck, I had one SD card blow across the room due to a sudden gust of wind through the window. I just barely rescued it from my four-feline hunter-killer team. :-) Smaller isn't always better. ;- -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Testing the K100D and some more K10D hype
Op Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:13:08 +0200 schreef Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 22, actually. 42 is just ridiculous. Utterly improbable. 81339605151 to one against, I'd say... -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Yep! On 8/22/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 4:03 AM, David Savage wrote: I see your point guy's, it's just the Scottish blood in me that hates paying for stuff again and again. Did you ever buy film? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel CF cards can be intelligibly labelled, are harder to lose and have the necessary space to be used as a technology development platform. The interface is also more capable. SD cards are mechanically superior (less parts attached in a way less likely to fail) and have a more reliable electrical interface. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Joseph Tainter wrote: Shel wrote: I get a sense that there will be no further firmware upgrades to these cameras even though that was not specifically stated. - Maybe, maybe not. The only thing certain is that Pentax has already shown a lack of concern for customers investments in storage cards. Joe The market made your investment in cards worthless. Pentax is just taking advantage of the fact that cards cost next to nothing to move completely over to a (mostly) better technology. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Adam Maas wrote: are harder to lose Heh, my Ampex 501 is a lot harder to lose than my iPod, but when choosing a portable music player I'll go for the one that doesn't weigh more than my kid. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Hummingbird help
Do messages get lost? I looked for this one and couldn't find it. Sent this morning. I apologise if this is a duplicate. Right. They move up 3 inches and down 3 inches 100 times per second. This means they average about 50 feet per second. But, of course, the wings stop at the end of each up and down beat and accelerate/decelerate to the end of the next, so they'd be travelling somewhat faster than 50 fps maybe even 100 feet per second at some stage. I don't think your shutter speed of 1/125 is going to cut it do you? The answer is to make sure ambient light contributes as little as possible to the exposure. In the dark it would be easier, but that only works with bats. You'd also need to make sure the flash duration is short. Circuit changes can be made to some of the older Vivitars (283 for example) to achieve pretty short flashes. But I've seen some very good Hummer pictures with blurred wings. Don William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: RE: Hummingbird help I don't quite understand why a flash is viewed as needed when their wings typically beat 100 times per second. It would seem that shutter speed alone would capture it (though I've shot at 1/250 before and have still seen motion blur in the wings). Flash fires at 1/30,000 of a second. The fastest shutter speed on a Pentax is more like 1/125 second, or whatever the flash sync speed is. William Robb -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
CF Ultra II's are quite fast, for last-generation cards. Not quite up to the current max speed. SD Ultra II's are indeed faster last I checked. But they're current 133x cards. -Adam Aaron Reynolds wrote: I've never shopped by name, so I don't know what the write speed of an Ultra II translates to. -Aaron -- http://aaronreynolds.ca http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2 Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 7:03 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net At 06:44 PM 22/08/2006, you wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:18 AM, David Savage wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. David -- are those cards fast compared to what's out there currently, or would putting them into your new camera put you at a significant write speed disadvantage? Considering when you bought them, I'm going to have to guess that they're very slow compared to what's out there now in SD. All of them are Sandisk Ultra II's. Are the SD Ultra II's faster? So, to save $100 (the total cost of a fast 1GB card and a fast 2GB SD card if you don't shop around for the best price and get screwed on shipping) you would cripple your camera's write speed, effectively reducing the number of frames you could shoot in a row and how quickly you recover after shooting a burst. Why would you do that? Would you buy a $1200 film camera and insist on only putting Gold Max in it? Probably, because I'm illogical. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Bad for two reasons: 1) makes the camera bigger 2) cheap users will constantly complain on the internet about how slow their very expensive new camera is. -Aaron The camera (K10D) has already got bigger to fit the SR mechanism. I see your point guy's, it's just the Scottish blood in me that hates paying for stuff again and again. I guess I'm overruled in this matter so I'll just shut my yap. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: The Dream Cruise, 2006
Paul, A nice group of photos and a trip down memory lane. (I learned to drive on a '54 Oldsmobile.) Plenty of good car shots and lots of people stuff too! It's nice to see the enjoyment the event generates. And the panning makes the shots more exciting than a straight snap. Regards, Bob S. On 8/21/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few pics from the cruise: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=633960 Most with the *istD and the DA 50-200 (the workhorse lens). Night pics with the FA 50/1.4. The shot of my family is with the Panasonic point and shoot. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Aside from the potentially long winded discussion of specification capabilities, what people's personal preference based on how much of whichever they already have and what it cost them, or the equally long winded discussion which resolves to I'm used to what I got and I don't want to change, in practical terms they are the same damn thing. And it doesn't matter at all. If you like what you got, enjoy it. If you want to buy a new Pentax when it comes out, well, you'll need to buy whatever card type it takes to use it. Even if it's (ugh!) xD... ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Indeed! I'm seeing even the new 4GB Transcend SDHC card drop in price even while a rebate is still in effect for them. The card's only been out about a month or so. An SD card I paid about $60.00 for a few months ago can now be purchased for $17.00 at the same source. Plus, you don't yet know how fast a card the new camera can use, so you don't want to get one that won't take advantage of the camera's capabilities. Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist not going to buy any more SD cards until I have the new camera in my hands. They will undoubtedly continue to tumble in price. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
The memory sticks for my Sony cost between $80.00 and $125.00 or so each when I got 'em, and I have six - 128mb each. While disappointed that I couldn't use them in a newer camera, I found no reason to complain. I got good use from them, even used them to xfer data from one computer to another for a while (still do, actually), and will eventually sell 'em for whatever I can get for them when I finally get around to selling the camera for which they're intended. They've served me well, but now it's time to move forward. I can understand that some people may be upset that their CF cards can't be used in the new cameras, but OTOH, everyone knew going into this DSLR thing that it involved developing and changing technology. Did you really thing that the media wouldn't change at some point? Did people complain when their old floppy disks were replaced by newer media? Or is that not the same thing? Using dual memory slots takes up space and, presumably, costs the consumer some $$ as well. I'd rather not pay for the space a CF card takes up. I do understand your point, though, but I think you may be in the minority (not to negate your POV or situation, though). Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 8/22/2006 12:18:47 AM Subject: Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2 Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Dave On 8/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Thanks Adam. Dave On 8/22/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CF Ultra II's are quite fast, for last-generation cards. Not quite up to the current max speed. SD Ultra II's are indeed faster last I checked. But they're current 133x cards. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Hummingbird help
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Don Williams wrote: Right. They move up 3 inches and down 3 inches 100 times per second. This means they average about 50 feet per second. But, of course, the wings stop at the end of each up and down beat and accelerate/ decelerate to the end of the next, so they'd be travelling somewhat faster than 50 fps maybe even 100 feet per second at some stage. If I remember right, the wingtips of hummingbirds make an elongated figure 8 movement, so they really don't stop moving at all. I'm sure this figure 8 movement puts less stress on the wings than stopping and starting would. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
In SD I think it's about 60X ... Shel [Original Message] From: Aaron Reynolds I've never shopped by name, so I don't know what the write speed of an Ultra II translates to. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Hi Aaaron ... The numbers work out to considerably less than $100.00 if you make a wise purchase. How does $53.00 plus whatever shipping and taxes there may be for an 80X 1GB card and a 150X 2GB card. Good point about the speed of cards then and now - and for the future as well, I guess. Shel [Original Message] From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:18 AM, David Savage wrote: Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. So, to save $100 (the total cost of a fast 1GB card and a fast 2GB SD card if you don't shop around for the best price and get screwed on shipping) you would cripple your camera's write speed, effectively reducing the number of frames you could shoot in a row and how quickly you recover after shooting a burst. Why would you do that? Would you buy a $1200 film camera and insist on only putting Gold Max in it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Testing the K100D and some more K10D hype
Fra: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Op Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:13:08 +0200 schreef Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 22, actually. 42 is just ridiculous. Utterly improbable. 81339605151 to one against, I'd say... No, you need a lot worse chances for the improbability drive to start being effective. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2 I can understand that some people may be upset that their CF cards can't be used in the new cameras, but OTOH, everyone knew going into this DSLR thing that it involved developing and changing technology. Did you really thing that the media wouldn't change at some point? Did people complain when their old floppy disks were replaced by newer media? Or is that not the same thing? I've got a whole bunch of Fujichrome RD100 in the deep freeze from the early 90s. I'm totally pissed that those buggers at Fujifilm made improvements so that my old film isn't as good as the newer stuff. Technology changes. Learn to live with it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
LOL If Dave's like me, there are probably at least a few times he's sent a roll through the camera more than once. I've also heard that Dave's the Double Exposure King of Oz interjecting humour Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi On Aug 22, 2006, at 4:03 AM, David Savage wrote: I see your point guy's, it's just the Scottish blood in me that hates paying for stuff again and again. Did you ever buy film? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Cheeky Bugger. I've never double exposed a whole roll, but I have rewound a few mid way to change to something else. When I reloaded the original to finish it off I had a few overlapping frames. :-) Dave At 09:35 PM 22/08/2006, you wrote: LOL If Dave's like me, there are probably at least a few times he's sent a roll through the camera more than once. I've also heard that Dave's the Double Exposure King of Oz interjecting humour Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi On Aug 22, 2006, at 4:03 AM, David Savage wrote: I see your point guy's, it's just the Scottish blood in me that hates paying for stuff again and again. Did you ever buy film? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: The numbers work out to considerably less than $100.00 if you make a wise purchase. I know -- I was trying to put together a reasonable worst-case. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
But the SD card will pass easier LOL Shel [Original Message] From: Doug Franklin I really don't care for SD because it's so small it's easier to drop, lose, fall down the sewer grate, get swallowed by the dog, ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Hummingbird help
Bob Shell wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Don Williams wrote: Right. They move up 3 inches and down 3 inches 100 times per second. This means they average about 50 feet per second. But, of course, the wings stop at the end of each up and down beat and accelerate/ decelerate to the end of the next, so they'd be travelling somewhat faster than 50 fps maybe even 100 feet per second at some stage. If I remember right, the wingtips of hummingbirds make an elongated figure 8 movement, so they really don't stop moving at all. I'm sure this figure 8 movement puts less stress on the wings than stopping and starting would. Okay. I didn't remember that. I saw a high speed camera film of this once, but can't remember where. Perhaps it was one of the National Geographic ones? Maybe BBC Bristol? Don Bob -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: 55 Chevy with Babes
Thanks Mark. If you ever really get the urge to move back here, just let me know and I'll send you some dirtty snow and muddy slush pictures. That should cure you:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Stenquist wrote: A pan from yesterday's dream cruise. This is a conventional pan, rather than a slow shutter version. It's at f9.5, 1/30th second with the DA 50-200 @ 75 mm. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4829944size=lg Late with a comment here but... I really love this shot. It's a people shot and a car shot in one. Almost makes me want to move back to Detroit. Almost. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
So why should anyone care at this point what the spec is? Shel Although no cards are actually capable of this kind of speed at the moment, the current CF spec is capable of 133MB/sec (thats 886X), where SD spec (including SDHC) is only capable of 20MB/sec (133X) as far as I know. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Just to satisfy my curiosity I checked 6 local online stores to see what it would cost to swap my current Sandisk Ultra II CF capacity (3.512GB) to the SD equivalent. Assuming prices are up to date, the average works out to: AU$257 (~US$195) Which isn't too bad considering that's about what my 2GB card cost. At least I now know approx. how much to add to the cost of the K10D when it's released ;-) Dave On 8/22/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: The numbers work out to considerably less than $100.00 if you make a wise purchase. I know -- I was trying to put together a reasonable worst-case. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
South American Indians #1
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060818231605 South-American Indians with their daily performance near the shopping center Tallinn. A few photos from the 3 quarter long performance set. -- home http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Testing the K100D and some more K10D hype
Op Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:27:57 +0200 schreef DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fra: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Op Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:13:08 +0200 schreef Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 22, actually. 42 is just ridiculous. Utterly improbable. 81339605151 to one against, I'd say... No, you need a lot worse chances for the improbability drive to start being effective. I just re-checked, and I'm quite sure it's 81339605151 to one against... -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: any views on K100D vs. Canon Rebel XT (350D)?
A little comment on megapixels here. Doubling your megapixels only give you a 1.4x increase in resolution. In other words if you go from 6 megapixels to 12 megapixels your 11x14 prints will have the same resolution as your 8x10 prints do now. That being so a jump from 6 to 8 or 10 is hardly worthwhile, you need to go from 6 to 12 before it gets worthwhile, and 6 to 24 to double your resolution. Why do they use megapixels instead of linear resolution in advertising? To sell you little or nothing for a big price, of course. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/21/2006 1:23:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I currently shoot ME Super with 35-105 f/3.5 and 70-210 f/4 but would rather move to auto-focus since I not too sure if I can use MF lenses without any manual focus assist on the K100D. Thanks a lot! Gaurav = Stupid question on this list, everyone is going to tell you the K100D is better. :-) I have the Canon 300D and like it quite a bit. However, the 350D (Digital Rebel XT) is supposed to have the worst viewfinder of probably all the Canon DSLRs. Worse than the 300D. It's why I never upgraded from 6mp to 8mp (at the lower end). Whereas most of the Pentaxes have pretty decent viewfinders. And if you read dpreview of both the 300D and the 350D it's pretty clear the bump up from 6mp to 8mp is not really significant enough to make much of a difference. The image quality is pretty much the same in other words. The AS (anti-shake) of the K100D, if it works as advertised, would make it the clear winner. If you don't think so just price some of the Canon IS (image stabilization, same as AS) lenses out there. Current Canon IS capabilities is limited to specific expensive lenses, since it doesn't come with the camera. But bear in mind Canon is supposed to release a new Digital Rebel version before the end of this year, possibly at Photokina in September. No one knows yet what that will offer. But I am not expecting camera body IS or AS. However, it might have an improved viewfinder. Marnie -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Screw mount bellows on the K100D (was - scanner question)
My wife has decided she wants a DSLR and asked me if I thought she should get a K100D. I replied that she should take a look at a few and pick whichever one she likes best. And then she asked the question, Can't I use your lenses on the Pentax? I'll just get the Pentax. It'll be a bit more frugal than buying another system. Great. Now I have to share my lenses. g Anyway, on to my question. Since SHE is going to be enabled rather soon, I thought I would take advantage of the situation and get a bellows and slide copier. After digging through several forums, subscribing to a couple more mailing lists (to read their members-only archives), and otherwise burning off massive amounts of time, it's apparent that a slide copier is not a bad solution at all when compared to low end scanners. What I haven't come across is whether or not I can attach a screw mount bellows to the K100D. The way the prism/flash housing protrudes has me a bit worried. Anyone tried this with a Pentax DSLR? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:18, David Savage wrote: Just to satisfy my curiosity I checked 6 local online stores to see what it would cost to swap my current Sandisk Ultra II CF capacity (3.512GB) to the SD equivalent. Assuming prices are up to date, the average works out to: AU$257 (~US$195) Yikes. Here in Minneapolis (US) a local store was selling 80x 1gig SD cards for $21 apiece! Sounds like everything is WAY more expensive in Australia - sorry. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Sheesh, David, that's outrageous. Maybe you can get someone to purchase the cards here in the US for you. Two 80X 1GB cards will cost US$36.00 or so plus shipping and tax (probably not more than an additional US$8.00 +/- A 150X 2GB card will cost about the same. Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage Just to satisfy my curiosity I checked 6 local online stores to see what it would cost to swap my current Sandisk Ultra II CF capacity (3.512GB) to the SD equivalent. Assuming prices are up to date, the average works out to: AU$257 (~US$195) Which isn't too bad considering that's about what my 2GB card cost. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Comments on FA 24-90, please
Pancho, Very, very nice lens. I bought the 28-70/4 and the 24-90 simultaneously a few years ago, and exposed one roll of slide film with each using my PZ-1p. +NO+ contest. The 24-90 was sharper and contrastier, with similar distortion and bokeh. The extra 4mm on the wide end and 20mm on the tele end make a big difference in my shooting. I'm mostly using an ist D now, but the 24-90 is still frequently on the front. Somehow I find it more enjoyable than the 16-45, despite the loss of the wide angle. Rick --- Pancho Hasselbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gang, any comments available concerning the above-mentioned lens? I'm especially interested in sharpness, contrast, color rendition and bokeh wide open. AFAIK, it performs very well stopped down, but I'd hope that it's good (and noticeably better than my FA 4/28-70) wide open, too, as I primarily am a prime user, used to shallow DOF and that kind of things. What about distortion, and vignetting? Anybody used it on BW film? I'd use it on my film bodies, but probably I'll add a digital body in the future. At least, Petax have given up those ridiculous names. Now, to justify the K in the names of the new bodies, they must only add one thing, muahahaha... Oops, I'm getting off topic. Thank you very much for your answers. Pancho -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
I have both a D and a Ds. So I use both cards. The shortcomings of CF cards mainly seem to be the mechanical connection. There's been much talk about pins breaking off on devices that accept them. If the CF socket is well designed and implemented, and you have 1/2 of a clue about what you're doing, that doesn't seem to be much of a problem. SD cards have a much more robust connection. On the other hand they are probably more fragile, but due to their size it would take an effort to snap one in half. My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. They are physically too small. If I'm in a hurry when using the *ist-D I can just drop a CF card in a pocket and pop an new one in the camera. Not really recommended but I'm not too worried about losing it. I would never do that with a SD card, it might disappear into the pocket lint. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:18 AM, David Savage wrote: Assuming prices are up to date, the average works out to: AU$257 (~US$195) Well, it sucks to be in Australia. Maybe your CF cards have held their value, then, eh? Three fast Gb plus a slow 1Gb card for my Palm cost me about $100 total, and some of those cards I bought before the most recent price drop -- I paid more for my fast 1Gb card than I did for my fast 2Gb card, only a few months apart. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Screw mount bellows on the K100D (was - scanner question)
I have a set of bellows in the basement somewhere -- I'll see if I can successfully attach them to my DS2, which should be about the same shape. Of course, I'd have to successfully find them first. -Aaron On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: What I haven't come across is whether or not I can attach a screw mount bellows to the K100D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Now you see my point ;-) Dave On 8/22/06, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:18, David Savage wrote: Assuming prices are up to date, the average works out to: AU$257 (~US$195) Yikes. Here in Minneapolis (US) a local store was selling 80x 1gig SD cards for $21 apiece! Sounds like everything is WAY more expensive in Australia - sorry. :-( -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
That's hardly a concern when comparing CF and SD cards. Unless you plan to lift them into orbit. Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Adam Maas wrote: are harder to lose Heh, my Ampex 501 is a lot harder to lose than my iPod, but when choosing a portable music player I'll go for the one that doesn't weigh more than my kid. -Aaron -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Screw mount bellows on the K100D (was - scanner question)
G'day Scott, I think Bill Robb said he had problems mounting bellows to his *istD because of the prism overhang, so he had to add an extension tube. Are you any good at sharing your toys? :-) Dave On 8/22/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife has decided she wants a DSLR and asked me if I thought she should get a K100D. I replied that she should take a look at a few and pick whichever one she likes best. And then she asked the question, Can't I use your lenses on the Pentax? I'll just get the Pentax. It'll be a bit more frugal than buying another system. Great. Now I have to share my lenses. g Anyway, on to my question. Since SHE is going to be enabled rather soon, I thought I would take advantage of the situation and get a bellows and slide copier. After digging through several forums, subscribing to a couple more mailing lists (to read their members-only archives), and otherwise burning off massive amounts of time, it's apparent that a slide copier is not a bad solution at all when compared to low end scanners. What I haven't come across is whether or not I can attach a screw mount bellows to the K100D. The way the prism/flash housing protrudes has me a bit worried. Anyone tried this with a Pentax DSLR? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Screw mount bellows on the K100D (was - scanner question)
You'll need an extension tube. Then you may have trouble getting 1-1 reproduction using the slide copier. WW had some posts about it. I have a bellows but I've never used it on a digital camera. (Maybe I should dig it out and play with it some day.) Scott Loveless wrote: My wife has decided she wants a DSLR and asked me if I thought she should get a K100D. I replied that she should take a look at a few and pick whichever one she likes best. And then she asked the question, Can't I use your lenses on the Pentax? I'll just get the Pentax. It'll be a bit more frugal than buying another system. Great. Now I have to share my lenses. g Anyway, on to my question. Since SHE is going to be enabled rather soon, I thought I would take advantage of the situation and get a bellows and slide copier. After digging through several forums, subscribing to a couple more mailing lists (to read their members-only archives), and otherwise burning off massive amounts of time, it's apparent that a slide copier is not a bad solution at all when compared to low end scanners. What I haven't come across is whether or not I can attach a screw mount bellows to the K100D. The way the prism/flash housing protrudes has me a bit worried. Anyone tried this with a Pentax DSLR? -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Actually some did complain when floppy disks changed from 5 1/4 to 3 1/2. Some programs were supplied on copy protected 5 1/4 inch media, (mostly games I suppose), that were no longer available in the new format. Floppy disks were consumables however, with a limited lifetime. I expect that usable CF cards will be around long after there's nothing to read them with. Shel Belinkoff wrote: The memory sticks for my Sony cost between $80.00 and $125.00 or so each when I got 'em, and I have six - 128mb each. While disappointed that I couldn't use them in a newer camera, I found no reason to complain. I got good use from them, even used them to xfer data from one computer to another for a while (still do, actually), and will eventually sell 'em for whatever I can get for them when I finally get around to selling the camera for which they're intended. They've served me well, but now it's time to move forward. I can understand that some people may be upset that their CF cards can't be used in the new cameras, but OTOH, everyone knew going into this DSLR thing that it involved developing and changing technology. Did you really thing that the media wouldn't change at some point? Did people complain when their old floppy disks were replaced by newer media? Or is that not the same thing? Using dual memory slots takes up space and, presumably, costs the consumer some $$ as well. I'd rather not pay for the space a CF card takes up. I do understand your point, though, but I think you may be in the minority (not to negate your POV or situation, though). Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 8/22/2006 12:18:47 AM Subject: Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2 Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Dave On 8/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
My experience is that CF is more fragile in actual practice than SD. CF's can and will shed the metal sides on occasion, exposing the ircuit board, especially when dropped or stepped on. SD's are rather tough in actual fact, and able to survive a fair bit more abuse. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: I have both a D and a Ds. So I use both cards. The shortcomings of CF cards mainly seem to be the mechanical connection. There's been much talk about pins breaking off on devices that accept them. If the CF socket is well designed and implemented, and you have 1/2 of a clue about what you're doing, that doesn't seem to be much of a problem. SD cards have a much more robust connection. On the other hand they are probably more fragile, but due to their size it would take an effort to snap one in half. My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. They are physically too small. If I'm in a hurry when using the *ist-D I can just drop a CF card in a pocket and pop an new one in the camera. Not really recommended but I'm not too worried about losing it. I would never do that with a SD card, it might disappear into the pocket lint. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: any views on K100D vs. Canon Rebel XT (350D)?
Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote: On 8/22/06, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for speed, I've tried the 350D only with the kit lens, and it didn't strike me as being faster than what I'm used to from older film Pentaxes. As people are reporting a somewhat significant speedup on the K100D compared to older digital models, which were probably already faster than e.g. my MZ-5n, I wouldn't be surprised if it beats Canons with cheap lenses. But again, I didn't really compare the 350D and my Pentaxes side-by-side. - Toralf My *istDS is slower than my MZ-6. The MZ-5n should be even faster, and the MZ-S... well... Well, MZ-5n *is* the fast beast, I must say that :) Very happy with mine. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], IRC:[EMAIL PROTECTED], /bin/zsh. C|NK -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Ebay Help
Hi, Need to purchase some software off ebay, seller won't send it outside the US. If some kind soul could purchase it for me, and send it to south africa I would greatly appreciate it. I can pay through paypal (funded with a credit card) or money order. Its for $120 with shipping, plus whatever your expenses would be TIA, Feroze -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel - Make a case? The case for me is that it feels like Pentax has gratuitously slapped me in the face. I bought an *ist D and supported Pentax at a time when the company was reeling. In return, Pentax won't even explain why CF cards have been abandoned. It's not the money, gang. I know that SD cards are inexpensive. I am really offended by Pentax treating me this way. A Pentax rep once described Pentax managers to me as arrogant. Yep. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
I always carry my cards in either a small, individual case, which equates to a size equal to or somewhat larger than a CF card, or in a larger, multi-card case, which is 4x3x1, and which will hold 4 CF cards + 4 SD cards, and/or other cards. http://www.adorama.com/GPCSE4N.html Great case - very durable - has saved my cards at least once! Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. They are physically too small. If I'm in a hurry when using the *ist-D I can just drop a CF card in a pocket and pop an new one in the camera. Not really recommended but I'm not too worried about losing it. I would never do that with a SD card, it might disappear into the pocket lint. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Screw mount bellows on the K100D (was - scanner question)
I think Wheatfield tried this with an *istD and found that a short extension tube had to be used between the bellows and the mount. Paul -- Original message -- From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a set of bellows in the basement somewhere -- I'll see if I can successfully attach them to my DS2, which should be about the same shape. Of course, I'd have to successfully find them first. -Aaron On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: What I haven't come across is whether or not I can attach a screw mount bellows to the K100D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Import them. John On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:42:07 +0100, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you see my point ;-) Dave On 8/22/06, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:18, David Savage wrote: Assuming prices are up to date, the average works out to: AU$257 (~US$195) Yikes. Here in Minneapolis (US) a local store was selling 80x 1gig SD cards for $21 apiece! Sounds like everything is WAY more expensive in Australia - sorry. :-( -Charles -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
Flash memory degrades over time as it has a limited write cycle, just like floppy disks (Although the lifetime is longer). They're consumables. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Actually some did complain when floppy disks changed from 5 1/4 to 3 1/2. Some programs were supplied on copy protected 5 1/4 inch media, (mostly games I suppose), that were no longer available in the new format. Floppy disks were consumables however, with a limited lifetime. I expect that usable CF cards will be around long after there's nothing to read them with. Shel Belinkoff wrote: The memory sticks for my Sony cost between $80.00 and $125.00 or so each when I got 'em, and I have six - 128mb each. While disappointed that I couldn't use them in a newer camera, I found no reason to complain. I got good use from them, even used them to xfer data from one computer to another for a while (still do, actually), and will eventually sell 'em for whatever I can get for them when I finally get around to selling the camera for which they're intended. They've served me well, but now it's time to move forward. I can understand that some people may be upset that their CF cards can't be used in the new cameras, but OTOH, everyone knew going into this DSLR thing that it involved developing and changing technology. Did you really thing that the media wouldn't change at some point? Did people complain when their old floppy disks were replaced by newer media? Or is that not the same thing? Using dual memory slots takes up space and, presumably, costs the consumer some $$ as well. I'd rather not pay for the space a CF card takes up. I do understand your point, though, but I think you may be in the minority (not to negate your POV or situation, though). Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 8/22/2006 12:18:47 AM Subject: Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2 Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Dave On 8/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
1) Reeling in what sense? 2) What are you expecting to hear from the American importer, and what exactly did you ask? Your cards work JUST FINE in your camera. If you keep your camera, you will need cards. If you sell your camera, sell the cards with it. -Aaron -- http://aaronreynolds.ca http://battersbox.ca http://hardballtimes.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue 2006 Aug 22 11:15 am Size: 794 bytes To: pdml@pdml.net After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel - Make a case? The case for me is that it feels like Pentax has gratuitously slapped me in the face. I bought an *ist D and supported Pentax at a time when the company was reeling. In return, Pentax won't even explain why CF cards have been abandoned. It's not the money, gang. I know that SD cards are inexpensive. I am really offended by Pentax treating me this way. A Pentax rep once described Pentax managers to me as arrogant. Yep. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
So do I. I have a case logic leatherette thingy. Not as good as the one you're referring to, but the price was right. It takes time to get the case open and closed. The same is true of the individual containers. Sometimes what you want to photograph is happening right now, so I'll tidy up afterward, with SD cards I think twice and the moment has usually passed anyway. Shel Belinkoff wrote: I always carry my cards in either a small, individual case, which equates to a size equal to or somewhat larger than a CF card, or in a larger, multi-card case, which is 4x3x1, and which will hold 4 CF cards + 4 SD cards, and/or other cards. http://www.adorama.com/GPCSE4N.html Great case - very durable - has saved my cards at least once! Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. They are physically too small. If I'm in a hurry when using the *ist-D I can just drop a CF card in a pocket and pop an new one in the camera. Not really recommended but I'm not too worried about losing it. I would never do that with a SD card, it might disappear into the pocket lint. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Screw mount bellows on the K100D (was - scanner question)
Yes. You need a short tube otherwise the bellows won't fit. The front of the flash housing interferes. Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Wheatfield tried this with an *istD and found that a short extension tube had to be used between the bellows and the mount. Paul -- Original message -- From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a set of bellows in the basement somewhere -- I'll see if I can successfully attach them to my DS2, which should be about the same shape. Of course, I'd have to successfully find them first. -Aaron On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: What I haven't come across is whether or not I can attach a screw mount bellows to the K100D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
Then you'd really hate the XD cards - Godfrey showed me the card used in his little Fuji - looks to be about 1/2 the size of an SD card. Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Make a case? The case for me is that it feels like Pentax has gratuitously slapped me in the face. I bought an *ist D and supported Pentax at a time when the company was reeling. In return, Pentax won't even explain why CF cards have been abandoned. It's not the money, gang. I know that SD cards are inexpensive. I am really offended by Pentax treating me this way. A Pentax rep once described Pentax managers to me as arrogant. Yep. Presuming a personal affront by a large corporation is not a useful way of looking at things. Why did Pentax change from CF to SD? Because a) the card cage is smaller, taking less space in the body, b) the parts are less costly, c) it's the direction that the majority of the industry is going with respect to memory card format. Any mix of a, b and c will do. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
I've dropped SD cards into my pants or shirt pocket with no ill effects. Accidentally put one through the washing machine once, it had no problems afterwards. Godfrey On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:56 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I have both a D and a Ds. So I use both cards. The shortcomings of CF cards mainly seem to be the mechanical connection. There's been much talk about pins breaking off on devices that accept them. If the CF socket is well designed and implemented, and you have 1/2 of a clue about what you're doing, that doesn't seem to be much of a problem. SD cards have a much more robust connection. On the other hand they are probably more fragile, but due to their size it would take an effort to snap one in half. My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. They are physically too small. If I'm in a hurry when using the *ist-D I can just drop a CF card in a pocket and pop an new one in the camera. Not really recommended but I'm not too worried about losing it. I would never do that with a SD card, it might disappear into the pocket lint. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
I've posted this a couple of times, but if it were an SD card it would be either be snapped in half or inside the dog... http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/cfcardassnack.html Adam Maas wrote: My experience is that CF is more fragile in actual practice than SD. CF's can and will shed the metal sides on occasion, exposing the ircuit board, especially when dropped or stepped on. SD's are rather tough in actual fact, and able to survive a fair bit more abuse. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: I have both a D and a Ds. So I use both cards. The shortcomings of CF cards mainly seem to be the mechanical connection. There's been much talk about pins breaking off on devices that accept them. If the CF socket is well designed and implemented, and you have 1/2 of a clue about what you're doing, that doesn't seem to be much of a problem. SD cards have a much more robust connection. On the other hand they are probably more fragile, but due to their size it would take an effort to snap one in half. My main complaint about the SD cards is their size. They are physically too small. If I'm in a hurry when using the *ist-D I can just drop a CF card in a pocket and pop an new one in the camera. Not really recommended but I'm not too worried about losing it. I would never do that with a SD card, it might disappear into the pocket lint. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2
I didn't say they weren't. However the ANSI standard for Floppy disks retaining data, is about 6mos. I haven't bothered to look up the standard for CF type cards but I'll bet their lifespan is a bit longer, quite a bit longer probably. Adam Maas wrote: Flash memory degrades over time as it has a limited write cycle, just like floppy disks (Although the lifetime is longer). They're consumables. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Actually some did complain when floppy disks changed from 5 1/4 to 3 1/2. Some programs were supplied on copy protected 5 1/4 inch media, (mostly games I suppose), that were no longer available in the new format. Floppy disks were consumables however, with a limited lifetime. I expect that usable CF cards will be around long after there's nothing to read them with. Shel Belinkoff wrote: The memory sticks for my Sony cost between $80.00 and $125.00 or so each when I got 'em, and I have six - 128mb each. While disappointed that I couldn't use them in a newer camera, I found no reason to complain. I got good use from them, even used them to xfer data from one computer to another for a while (still do, actually), and will eventually sell 'em for whatever I can get for them when I finally get around to selling the camera for which they're intended. They've served me well, but now it's time to move forward. I can understand that some people may be upset that their CF cards can't be used in the new cameras, but OTOH, everyone knew going into this DSLR thing that it involved developing and changing technology. Did you really thing that the media wouldn't change at some point? Did people complain when their old floppy disks were replaced by newer media? Or is that not the same thing? Using dual memory slots takes up space and, presumably, costs the consumer some $$ as well. I'd rather not pay for the space a CF card takes up. I do understand your point, though, but I think you may be in the minority (not to negate your POV or situation, though). Shel [Original Message] From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 8/22/2006 12:18:47 AM Subject: Re: 4 GB SD cards for istDS/DS2, istDL/DL2 Not if you'd bought $500+ (a 1GB a 2GB in my case) worth of CF cards you wouldn't. You have to remember Shel, when most people bought there *istD flash memory wasn't as cheap as it is now. If it had been, I would consider it disposable. For a camera maker know for backwards compatibility, IMO they should have put in a dual memory card slot. Dave On 8/22/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I still feel as strongly about SD cards had I bought a bunch of CF cards? Yes, I think I would. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Zenitar 16mm/2.8
Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] As Bob Walkden, I believe, once said about a lens, it has the flare resistance of a 1970's Led Zeppelin groupie. I was guilty of that but didn't say it of the Zenitar. GUILTY??? That's one of the most brilliant PDML quotes ever! Thanks. I'll just go and blush in a corner. (I was secretly pleased at being confused with the Nabob of Nuance, too...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CF v SD Cards
Faster... noticeably to humans or just to chronometers measuring in nanoseconds? Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:37:23 -0400 On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Cotty wrote: Seems to me that SD is becoming the consumer standard. CF is still a professional standard and I don't see any sign of that changing. I would suspect that there are probably good reasons for that. Considering that most pro bodies are physically much bigger, there's not as much compelling upside to switch. But if you gave me the option between a larger, slower card and a smaller, faster card for the same money, I'd take the smaller, faster card every time. Why wouldn't you? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Screw mount bellows on the K100D (was - scanner question)
You need 1:2 magnification (fitting an ~24x36mm slide onto an ~18x24mm digital format). A Pentax-A 50mm f/2.8 Macro lens does this very nicely, without extension tubes. I use a flat panel light box and a copy stand to hold the camera in alignment. Of course, you don't get results quite the equal of a film scanner, although it's faster. After all, you get about a 6Mpixel image rather than, say, a 10.2 Mpixel image (2820 ppi) or 21.43 Mpixel (4000 ppi). I use this method to scan Minox subminiature negatives however, where a 4000 ppi film scanner returns 2.18 Mpixels and the Pentax DS with macro lens + 2x teleconverter + extension tube setup nets 5Mpixel. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: CF v SD Cards
One is not better than the other. It's just personal preference as to form factor. I prefer CF cards because they're easier to keep track of. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Subject: CF v SD Cards Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:08:46 -0700 Comments made by Joe Tainter got me to spout off about the superiority of SD cards over CF cards. After posting my comments I began to think about what I said. Can anyone make a case for CF cards as being a better choice than SD cards, apart from some CF cards having a greater capacity than the current highest capacity SD cards? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
