Re: Article and pictures published

2008-04-04 Thread Dario Bonazza
Thanks to all who commented. Now I'm going to leave home for attending the 
PhotoShow fair in Rome (and managing the AOHC desk at Pentax booth), hence 
I'll be offlist until Tuesday.
Ciao,
Dario

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 cool, good job!

 rg2

 On 4/2/08, Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Congratulations - good exposure for you ;-)

 stan

 On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
  Hi gang,
 
  An article (text and pictures by me, including cover picture) on
  using flash
  with available light has been published by an Italian photo
  magazine called
  PC Photo (formerly Progresso Fotografico, established 1894). Here
  is the
  magazine cover:
  http://www.dariobonazza.com/puble.htm
  (it's the uppermost picture)
 
  All picturese were taken with K10D, AF540FGZ flash unit and several
  lenses.
  As per publisher's request, I cannot supply the article in
  electronic form
  now, but I will probably be allowed to do that within a few months.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dario
 
 
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-04 Thread John Whittingham
There are an infinite number countable infinities, of course 8)

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0400, John Francis wrote
 How many countable infinities are there?
 
 On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
  I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
  so passe.
  
   Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM 
  Steve Desjardins wrote:
   Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
  unhelpful
   as the philosophers.
   
   Steve the philosophy major
   
   Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM 
   anywhere close to infinity
   
   is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
   out there?
  
  Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of real 
  numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?
  
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-04 Thread AlunFoto
A quote attributed to Albert Einstein is that the difference between
genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.

For the sake of philosophy I'd be willing to equate limitlessness with
infinity in this case. :-)

Jostein

2008/4/3 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  anywhere close to infinity

 is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
 out there?

 Bob


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  Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44
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  Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
 
  I would think it best to restrict something like this to
  lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be
  worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the
  line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount
  lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close
  to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the
   earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or
  Kodak Retina
   IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may
  even be a Leica
   S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica,
  and copies
   such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF
  lenses,   not
   to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4
  Adapall etc.
   These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is
  daunting and the
   number of different lenses is astounding.
  
   Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
Hi everybody,
   
as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)
   
I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a
  database with
all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for
  the digital
ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent
  k-mount web page
(and some others), but thats not what i have in mind,
  because kmp has
a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to
  Pentax lenses,
while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are
  usable on a
Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation
  for users, it
will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will
  be a list of
external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users
  can add to, etc
.. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data
  (so for example
one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer
 automatic
aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a
 overall
quality rating  greater or equal 4) and a set of
  permissions with what
a particular type of user(anonymous, registered
  user,staff,admin) can do
or not. i think you get a rough idea.
   
Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to

maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven
  which in turn
means, no html skills will be necessary to add and
  maintain data, and
I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone
  who's interested
in helping me.
   
Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and
  thats why i
come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a
  lens (weight,
size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big
  problem,
thanks to google, but what i would like to have are
  descriptions of the
lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and
  did some
shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of
  course contributions
will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit
  copyright notice,
with a link to the homepage of the contributor or
  something similar,
except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.
   
Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no
  layout and only
some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing
  features, but as
soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)
   
with kind regards from Germany,
Andreas
   
PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a
  commercial thing,
actually i intend to place the whole thing under a
  Creative Commons 3
Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible
  name ^^), except
of course for picture contributors that wish to retain
  their copyrights.
   
   
  
  
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread AlunFoto
Couldn't make the sound work from this PC, but it seems like a
reversed Coca-cola Light Break...

Jostein

2008/4/4 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   Although my new one might be Woolfhardisworthy.
 
  Mike:  Is this an adjective for that famous British Wolf
  whistle or Wolf
  call British construction workers are famous for?--Heard a
  funny BBC radio
  story on the way to work today.  Apparently, a construction
  company by the
  name of Wimbley (sp?) has banned the famous Wolf whistle.
  Turns out the
  construction workers are ok with this new policy, but the
  women are upset by
  the ban--at least the handful interviewed for the story are.
 
  Cheers, Christine

 I'm not at all surprised that the construction workers are in broad
 agreement with such a policy - they are terribly enlightened over
 here, as this documentary proves:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3j0d6iI_U

 Bob



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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/04/03 Thu PM 10:30:00 GMT
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 - Original Message - 
 From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Although my new one might be Woolfhardisworthy.
 
 Mike:  Is this an adjective for that famous British Wolf whistle or Wolf 
 call British construction workers are famous for?--Heard a funny BBC radio 
 story on the way to work today.  Apparently, a construction company by the 
 name of Wimbley (sp?) has banned the famous Wolf whistle.  Turns out the 
 construction workers are ok with this new policy, but the women are upset by 
 the ban--at least the handful interviewed for the story are.

All the words I mentioned are names.  If you follow the link in my post, you 
will see how to pronounce them.  They are probably corruptions of the names of 
long departed ancestral invaders from the frozen north and Normandy.


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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/04/03 Thu PM 10:53:58 GMT
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 Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta
 
 On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:30:00PM -0500, Christine  Aguila wrote:
  
  Apparently, a construction company by the 
  name of Wimbley (sp?) has banned the famous Wolf whistle.
 
 Wimpey, at a guess.
 
 (Often jokingly regarded as an acronym for We Import More Paddies
 Every Year - many of the construction workers in the UK are Irish).

Not any more.

Czy pan movisz po Polsku?


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Re: Calling all the Kiwi's

2008-04-04 Thread Jon Hart
Looks like the sign of the takahe,
http://www.signofthetakahe.com/
http://local.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=sign+of+the+takahesll=-43.573489,172.630985sspn=0.010602,0.01502ie=UTF8ll=-43.581526,172.63504spn=0.00265,0.003755t=hz=18


The first photo is of cathedral square, and both of those buildings  
are gone now.
The second is of the town hall, where I once worked as a cleaner.


Some very nice photos in there, makes me wish I could go and take few  
myself.


Jon Hart.

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-04 Thread timber
Yeah! Chuck Norris counted to infinity. Twice. :D

If you add the M42 lens then you should also add the Pentacon Six and
Pentax 67 and 645 lens too. There are adapters for 645 made by Pentax, and
Pentacon Six lenses are very common to be mounted on any 35mm cam.

.t

 There are an infinite number countable infinities, of course 8)

 On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0400, John Francis wrote
 How many countable infinities are there?

 On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
  I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
  so passe.
 
   Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM 
  Steve Desjardins wrote:
   Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
  unhelpful
   as the philosophers.
  
   Steve the philosophy major
  
   Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM 
   anywhere close to infinity
  
   is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any
 philosophers
   out there?
 
  Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of
 real
  numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?
 
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Re: Article and pictures published

2008-04-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Have fun, Dario.
See if you can get any info on a K20D firmware update. Of course any  
news is welcome.
Paul
On Apr 4, 2008, at 2:27 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
 Thanks to all who commented. Now I'm going to leave home for  
 attending the
 PhotoShow fair in Rome (and managing the AOHC desk at Pentax  
 booth), hence
 I'll be offlist until Tuesday.
 Ciao,
 Dario

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 Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:42 AM
 Subject: Re: Article and pictures published


 cool, good job!

 rg2

 On 4/2/08, Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Congratulations - good exposure for you ;-)

 stan

 On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
 Hi gang,

 An article (text and pictures by me, including cover picture) on
 using flash
 with available light has been published by an Italian photo
 magazine called
 PC Photo (formerly Progresso Fotografico, established 1894). Here
 is the
 magazine cover:
 http://www.dariobonazza.com/puble.htm
 (it's the uppermost picture)

 All picturese were taken with K10D, AF540FGZ flash unit and several
 lenses.
 As per publisher's request, I cannot supply the article in
 electronic form
 now, but I will probably be allowed to do that within a few months.

 Cheers,

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the  
improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value  
they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I  
suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly  
pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
Paul
On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really  
 sold me,
 otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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 Subject: Is the K20D Popular?


 I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10
 (right?)
 I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera  
 compelling
 me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to
 replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I  
 get
 the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
 feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
 widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that  
 out.
 What do you guys think?

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RE: Calling all the Kiwi's

2008-04-04 Thread Peter McIntosh
Walt said:

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/

I have added some pics of New Zealand's South Is that I shot back in
75-77 when I was down there for Deepfreeze. I know there are some Kiwi's in
this group and I would appreciate some insights to some of the pics that I
may have forgotten. For one I cannot remember the name of the castle outside
Christchurch that was a favorite tourist stop.



This is very interesting... My wife and I are spending a fortnight there in
September for our 25th wedding anniversary.  Will be fun to compare -
especially Franz Josef Glacier!

Ciao,

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Re: Pets in your home, photos and fee

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Subject: Re: Pets in your home, photos and fee



  Sorry Bill, i thought i best snip your email, as it may be close to
   the KB limit.
  
   I don;t know if i'm undercutting any pro animal photographers in this
   area, after all i still am one,  for the most part, its mostly one
   animal.:-)
  
   The $1400 per sitting people are not in this area, by a long shot.
   However, i feel i can do a good job, am willing to do a free reshot
   should the customer not be happy, and i feel $60.00 for an hours work,
   well, is good.
  
   Additional monies are made from prints or CD's etc.
  
   Besides, how can i ever get to $1400 a sitting if i don't start some were.
  
   I;m not like truck drivers who seem to start off with 18 years
   experience, or at least thats what i get from the CB conversations.

  My point was more that submarining your market can be a fatal mistake. You'd 
 be charging far
  less than 60 beans/hour to do that.

Ok, I see that point now.

Thnaks for the comments Bill. They all help.

Dave



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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
I'm now on the fence.

K20D or trade in the D200 for the D300, which is supposed to have
better high iso.

Dave

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
  improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
  they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
  suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
  pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
  Paul


 On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
   The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really
   sold me,
   otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.
  
   Kenneth Waller
   http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Is the K20D Popular?
  
  
   I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10
   (right?)
   I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera
   compelling
   me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to
   replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I
   get
   the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
   feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
   widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that
   out.
   What do you guys think?
  
   CW
  
  
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FS Friday: SMC-F 100/2.8 Macro

2008-04-04 Thread Mark Roberts
I bit the bullet and put it on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-SMC-F-100mm-f-2-8-Macro-Fast-Sharp-AF-Macro_W0QQitemZ220218850847QQihZ012QQcategoryZ48558QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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Re: PESO: Noodles

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
Love her expression. Photo is very crisp.

Dave

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7127482size=lg

  K20D, DA*50-135, 50 mm
  f3.5, 1/60th, ISO 200

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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 P. J. Alling wrote:
   I'm not sure the word grumpy does him justice.
  
   Steve Desjardins wrote:
   Actually, it doesn't, at least according to my browser. . . .
  
   And your forgot Bill Robb's regular column, The Grumpy Pentaxian.
  
  Mebbe Mike Johnston could write that article and Bill could pen the
  counterpoint.  Ooh.  Wouldn't that be fun?

With cat illustrations

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
The D300 may have better high ISO. Some of the testers seem to think  
so. Although, again, I don't know if they're setting noise reduction  
values in the K20. If they are, they never mention it. I think Adam  
said he found the D300 noise at high ISO comparable to that of the  
K20D. The D300 is certainly more expensive and probably a bit better  
built as a consequence. It doesn't have in-body shake reduction. That  
would be a stopper for me, as I depend on hand holding a lot with  
older lenses. In the end I suppose it's mostly a matter of which  
direction your kit will go. I think it's usually better to settle on  
one brand, so that you can optimize your lens selection.
Paul
On Apr 4, 2008, at 7:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
 I'm now on the fence.

 K20D or trade in the D200 for the D300, which is supposed to have
 better high iso.

 Dave

 On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Paul Stenquist  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
  improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
  they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
  suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
  pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
  Paul


 On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really
 sold me,
 otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Is the K20D Popular?


 I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over  
 the K10
 (right?)
 I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera
 compelling
 me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the  
 K10 to
 replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I
 get
 the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
 feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
 widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that
 out.
 What do you guys think?

 CW


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K20D and D300 in camera focus adjustments

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
I'm on the fence as to adding the K20D or trading my D200 for the
D300. I have not heard about my K10D repair for 1o days
now.

Both are reported by users of this list and my Nikon BB to have very
good high ISO quality. K20 has buly in SR.

Both seem to offer user adjustment of focus.

I'm just wondering is this mentioned in the manual for the K20D or
just general knowledge that you can do it.

Those to i have spoken to on my Nikon BB said the D300 offers user
focus adjustments for lenses, but advises against it.

Could that be more of a, lets put the disclaimer in so we have fewer
returns from users screwing up their cameras.??,
or a general concern on their part.

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-04 Thread Adam Maas
Or the usual dealer BS. It amazes me just how much utter crap
salesmaggots say about various brands, all of it with absolutely no
basis in reality.

-Adam

On 4/4/08, John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you say April Fool?  That's what it sounds like, and the timing is
  right.

 - Original Message -
  From: J. Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: pdml@pdml.net
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:12 PM
  Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


  I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
   deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
   that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
   all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
   Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
   heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
   maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
   I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
   about what this means for Pentax USA?
  
   Jim M.
  
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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread Adam Maas
Based on Paul's 6400 shots and my own, I'd say the two bodies are
pretty much comparable at high ISO's in RAW. I'd suspect the D300 has
a definite lead for JPEG results (Nikon's done the best in-camera
JPEG's I've seen), but I don't shoot JPEG and neither does Paul so
I've not been able to compare directly.

The D300 is noticably better built than the K20D and definitely has
better AF. But it's also a fair bit more expensive. I'd say the
differences in build and performance are more than justified by the
price difference (In either camera's favour). The deciding factor in
my case was a trio of Nikkor primes (20, 35, 85) I already owned that
would have cost me $1400+ to buy in Pentax mount.

-Adam

On 4/4/08, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The D300 may have better high ISO. Some of the testers seem to think
  so. Although, again, I don't know if they're setting noise reduction
  values in the K20. If they are, they never mention it. I think Adam
  said he found the D300 noise at high ISO comparable to that of the
  K20D. The D300 is certainly more expensive and probably a bit better
  built as a consequence. It doesn't have in-body shake reduction. That
  would be a stopper for me, as I depend on hand holding a lot with
  older lenses. In the end I suppose it's mostly a matter of which
  direction your kit will go. I think it's usually better to settle on
  one brand, so that you can optimize your lens selection.

 Paul

 On Apr 4, 2008, at 7:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
   I'm now on the fence.
  
   K20D or trade in the D200 for the D300, which is supposed to have
   better high iso.
  
   Dave
  
   On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Paul Stenquist
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
Paul
  
  
   On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
   The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really
   sold me,
   otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.
  
   Kenneth Waller
   http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Is the K20D Popular?
  
  
   I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over
   the K10
   (right?)
   I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera
   compelling
   me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the
   K10 to
   replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I
   get
   the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
   feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
   widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that
   out.
   What do you guys think?
  
   CW
  
  
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
If you do a validation of a set of files that you know to be good and  
generate a checksum, then run the validation again at another time ...  
and the checksums match ... the files are good.

If this weren't true, there would be no point to file validation.

Godfrey

On Apr 3, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
 Godfrey,
 My point of view is that you haven't validated that you can recover
 your pictures from the data until you actually do such, or at least do
 a sample.  To say the bits and bites are all the same implies no other
 glitches in the process.
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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
  improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
  they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
  suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
  pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
  Paul

Unfortunately we no longer have the option to turn NR off.

Pentax please fix this!

Cheers,

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Re: K20D and D300 in camera focus adjustments

2008-04-04 Thread pnstenquist
The user adjustment of lenses is described in the Pentax manual, and it's part 
of the regular setup menu. I don't think they advise against it. It seems to 
work fine. And you can return to default at any time. It's a simple procedure.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I'm on the fence as to adding the K20D or trading my D200 for the
 D300. I have not heard about my K10D repair for 1o days
 now.
 
 Both are reported by users of this list and my Nikon BB to have very
 good high ISO quality. K20 has buly in SR.
 
 Both seem to offer user adjustment of focus.
 
 I'm just wondering is this mentioned in the manual for the K20D or
 just general knowledge that you can do it.
 
 Those to i have spoken to on my Nikon BB said the D300 offers user
 focus adjustments for lenses, but advises against it.
 
 Could that be more of a, lets put the disclaimer in so we have fewer
 returns from users screwing up their cameras.??,
 or a general concern on their part.
 
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FS Friday as new K10D with warranty (body only)

2008-04-04 Thread Rob Brigham
OK, I have taken the plunge and upgraded to the K20 and now need to recoup some 
of my outlay by selling my trusty K10D.

Bought January 2007.
Have taken about 1500 shots with it.

Should still have 20 months warranty from the Pentax Pro shop wher I got it 
(Kamera Altrincham otherwise known as http://www.equipmentexpress.co.uk) as 
there was a 3 year warranty on it.  I have emailed them today to make certain 
this can be transferred, but I don't imagine there would be a problem.

Incidentally I got my K20D from them too because that free warranty is great.  
I also got their price down to match competitors who arent giving any extra 
warranty!

Comes boxed, without a mark on it and with all the CDs, instructions, cables 
etc.  If you didn't look at the picture count you wouldn't know it was not new.

Comes with the first firmware upgrade (V1.1?) to enable wireless flash but 
havent upgraded it since then so you could still get into the service menu and 
adjust the focus (something I never got round to because my lenses were very 
accurate on it).

Offers in the region of £300 delivered in the mainland UK, or it will go on 
ebay shortly.

Please feel free to ask any questions, or to request a picture etc.

Cheers

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: J. Meeks
Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
 deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
 that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
 all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
 Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
 heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
 maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
 I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
 about what this means for Pentax USA?

I expect it means the same thing as the story I got a few weeks ago about Fuji 
having ceased 
film manufacture and was now planning on selling off warehoused film until it 
was gone.
IE: utter BS.

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread pnstenquist
You can turn off high ISO noise reduction. Or you can choose weakest, weak, 
or strong. Long shutter speed NR, on the other hand, has two settings. Auto 
turns it on in respect to temperature and conditions. On applies it only at 
shutter speeds longer than one second, I believe. So in effect, it's off for 
almost all applications.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
   improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
   they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
   suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
   pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
   Paul
 
 Unfortunately we no longer have the option to turn NR off.
 
 Pentax please fix this!
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: Peso: Kayak in Big Scenic

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb
Thanks Paul and Bob for commenting, and to everyone who had a look as well.
My wife asked if I could make a BIG print of it for the bedroom wall, so I 
printed it off at 
16x39 inches. It looks pretty good considering it came from a 6mp istD file. I 
suppose it helps 
that I was at the sweet spot of a very good lens.

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gallery visit ...

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I went to San Francisco yesterday. Spent a couple of hours at SF MOMA  
enjoying the Lee Friedlander retrospective exhibition as well as the  
several other photography exhibitions underway at present.

That was good but then I went to the First Thursday evening at 49  
Geary gallery building. The Steven Wirtz Gallery had the opening  
reception for Michael Kenna's latest, photos from Mont St. Michel and  
New York. Stunning work: I could spend hours looking at his photos. I  
had a few moments to chat with him and pressed him to produce a book  
of the New York photos ... someday in the future. It's just amazing  
to see work of this calibre. If you have the opportunity, it's well  
worth it to get to the city if only for this show.

Godfrey

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread Adam Maas
According to the K20D manual, even if you turn NR off it turns back on
at a minimal level at the highest ISO settings.

-Adam

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:22 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can turn off high ISO noise reduction. Or you can choose weakest, 
 weak, or strong. Long shutter speed NR, on the other hand, has two 
 settings. Auto turns it on in respect to temperature and conditions. On 
 applies it only at shutter speeds longer than one second, I believe. So in 
 effect, it's off for almost all applications.
  Paul


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   On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
 improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
 they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
 suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
 pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
 Paul
  
   Unfortunately we no longer have the option to turn NR off.
  
   Pentax please fix this!
  
   Cheers,
  
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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
But in the field a 10 minute exposure still takes 20.

That's why I want to be able to turn it off.

Cheers,

Dave

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can turn off high ISO noise reduction. Or you can choose weakest, 
 weak, or strong. Long shutter speed NR, on the other hand, has two 
 settings. Auto turns it on in respect to temperature and conditions. On 
 applies it only at shutter speeds longer than one second, I believe. So in 
 effect, it's off for almost all applications.
  Paul


  -- Original message --
  From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
 improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
 they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
 suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
 pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
 Paul
  
   Unfortunately we no longer have the option to turn NR off.
  
   Pentax please fix this!
  
   Cheers,
  
   Dave

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Re: gallery visit ...

2008-04-04 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
I had the chance to visit this Lee Friedlander exhibition here in Barcelona 
last year (I assume it was the same one since it was organize by the NY MoMA) 
and I had a great time looking at his work. Highly recommended if you have the 
chance.

Regards,
Jaume

- Mensaje original 
De: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Enviado: viernes, 4 de abril, 2008 15:48:11
Asunto: gallery visit ... 

I went to San Francisco yesterday. Spent a couple of hours at SF MOMA  
enjoying the Lee Friedlander retrospective exhibition as well as the  
several other photography exhibitions underway at present.

That was good but then I went to the First Thursday evening at 49  
Geary gallery building. The Steven Wirtz Gallery had the opening  
reception for Michael Kenna's latest, photos from Mont St. Michel and  
New York. Stunning work: I could spend hours looking at his photos. I  
had a few moments to chat with him and pressed him to produce a book  
of the New York photos ... someday in the future. It's just amazing  
to see work of this calibre. If you have the opportunity, it's well  
worth it to get to the city if only for this show.

Godfrey

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
I'd love to optimize my lens collection, unfortunately it seem to have a 
life of it's own.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
 The D300 may have better high ISO. Some of the testers seem to think  
 so. Although, again, I don't know if they're setting noise reduction  
 values in the K20. If they are, they never mention it. I think Adam  
 said he found the D300 noise at high ISO comparable to that of the  
 K20D. The D300 is certainly more expensive and probably a bit better  
 built as a consequence. It doesn't have in-body shake reduction. That  
 would be a stopper for me, as I depend on hand holding a lot with  
 older lenses. In the end I suppose it's mostly a matter of which  
 direction your kit will go. I think it's usually better to settle on  
 one brand, so that you can optimize your lens selection.
 Paul
 On Apr 4, 2008, at 7:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
   
 I'm now on the fence.

 K20D or trade in the D200 for the D300, which is supposed to have
 better high iso.

 Dave

 On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Paul Stenquist  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
  improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
  they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
  suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
  pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
  Paul


 On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
   
 The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really
 sold me,
 otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Is the K20D Popular?


 
 I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over  
 the K10
 (right?)
 I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera
 compelling
 me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the  
 K10 to
 replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I
 get
 the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
 feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
 widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that
 out.
 What do you guys think?

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
If you try googling on it you get nothing.  If it were happening I would 
think someone would have posted somewhere besides here.

Adam Maas wrote:
 Or the usual dealer BS. It amazes me just how much utter crap
 salesmaggots say about various brands, all of it with absolutely no
 basis in reality.

 -Adam

 On 4/4/08, John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Can you say April Fool?  That's what it sounds like, and the timing is
  right.

 - Original Message -
  From: J. Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: pdml@pdml.net
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:12 PM
  Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


  I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
   deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
   that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
   all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
   Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
   heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
   maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
   I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
   about what this means for Pentax USA?
  
   Jim M.
  
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Christine Aguila

- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 All the words I mentioned are names.

Mike:  I know that--and I followed the link.  I guess I forgot the ;-)--the 
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/04/04 Fri PM 02:41:26 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  All the words I mentioned are names.
 
 Mike:  I know that--and I followed the link.  I guess I forgot the ;-)--the 
 wink, wink, winkicon.
 Cheers, Christine 

It's me.  Or, rather, the eight days of two hours sleep.  The five second 
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/3/2008 2:11:50 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Godfrey,
My point of view is  that you haven't validated that you can recover
your pictures from the data  until you actually do such, or at least do
a sample.  To say the bits  and bites are all the same implies no other
glitches in the  process.
Regards,  Bob S.

==
I have storage  paranoia like you do. Probably the best thing to do is, back 
up to CDs/DVDs, two  copies, keep on hard disk. Then go in in one to three 
months or so and see if  one can get photos off CDs/DVDs. 

Usually, for me, if a disc is bad, it  is bad from the beginning.

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Re: K20D and D300 in camera focus adjustments

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:17 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The user adjustment of lenses is described in the Pentax manual, and it's 
 part of the regular setup menu. I don't think they advise against it. It 
 seems to work fine. And you can return to default at any time. It's a simple 
 procedure.

You can return to default. Good to know.

Thanks Paul.

I;'m waiting to get my K10D back and see how it performs before i go
ahead and make any more body purchases.

Dave
  Paul


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   I'm on the fence as to adding the K20D or trading my D200 for the
   D300. I have not heard about my K10D repair for 1o days
   now.
  
   Both are reported by users of this list and my Nikon BB to have very
   good high ISO quality. K20 has buly in SR.
  
   Both seem to offer user adjustment of focus.
  
   I'm just wondering is this mentioned in the manual for the K20D or
   just general knowledge that you can do it.
  
   Those to i have spoken to on my Nikon BB said the D300 offers user
   focus adjustments for lenses, but advises against it.
  
   Could that be more of a, lets put the disclaimer in so we have fewer
   returns from users screwing up their cameras.??,
   or a general concern on their part.
  
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/4/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

I guess I forgot the ;-)--the 
wink, wink, winkicon

You have an LX?

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-04 Thread Ken Waller
 Can you say April Fool?

Wouldn't bet on it.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


 Can you say April Fool?  That's what it sounds like, and the timing is 
 right.
 - Original Message - 
 From: J. Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:12 PM
 Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff
 
 
I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
 deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
 that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
 all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
 Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
 heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
 maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
 I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
 about what this means for Pentax USA?

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Christine Aguila

- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 It's me.  Or, rather, the eight days of two hours sleep.  The five second 
 micronaps aren't working.

 King Zombie

I'll send you the link to my online photo gallery--that'll put you right to 
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Christine Aguila
I'm sorry to say, I don't get the point of the question here.  camera? car? 
large-sized winkicon?   having-a-brain-fart-in-Chicago, Christine


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 On 4/4/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

I guess I forgot the ;-)--the
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/4/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'm sorry to say, I don't get the point of the question here.  camera? car? 
large-sized winkicon?   having-a-brain-fart-in-Chicago, Christine

Soyou've never actually owned an LX then...? You've never actually
experienced that, ahhh, LX feeling...?  he feeling that everything is
alright with the world, nothing is too much?

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have storage  paranoia like you do. Probably the best thing to do  
 is, back
 up to CDs/DVDs, two  copies, keep on hard disk. Then go in in one  
 to three
 months or so and see if  one can get photos off CDs/DVDs.

In the past week or two I've been working on a largish project which  
required that I go back through exposures made on film and scanned in  
the late 1990s along with all my digital capture work from 2002 and  
up. I only have 2005 and later digital files on my working drives. I  
opened up my hard drive (and about three dozen of CDs made up to 13  
years ago) archives and have reviewed 76,000 photos with no errors at  
all, selected out about 3600 of them for further grading and use,  
copied them to my current workspace, etc. They've loaded and many  
have been edited in Lightroom since.

I'd say the file archiving and validation system I've built is  
working rather nicely, and the media is proving to be robust enough  
for my needs.


 Usually, for me, if a disc is bad, it  is bad from the beginning.

That's why you should *always* run a verification/validation pass  
immediately after burning a CD/DVD, and make at least two  
independently from the original working set of files.

I'm sorry but this is not rocket science. It's pretty easy to achieve  
highly reliable archives with today's systems, with a minimum of fuss  
and computer savvy. Good quality equipment, well designed archiving  
policy and proper procedures do the job.

Godfrey




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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  he feeling that everything is alright with the world, nothing is too 
 much?

E...

Dave :-)

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
I've been hearing rumors like this for a couple of years now.  About a 
year ago when I went to the primary Pentax pusher in this area, Milford 
Camera, I was told that Pentax was replacing all their sales reps., the 
implication being that Pentax was in more trouble than usual.  It didn't 
seem to happen then.  I don't think I'll worry about it happening now, 
until it is widely reported, which hasn't happened at this point.

Ken Waller wrote:
 Can you say April Fool?
 

 Wouldn't bet on it.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message - 
 From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


   
 Can you say April Fool?  That's what it sounds like, and the timing is 
 right.
 - Original Message - 
 From: J. Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:12 PM
 Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


 
 I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
 deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
 that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
 all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
 Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
 heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
 maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
 I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
 about what this means for Pentax USA?

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RE: Mark Cargill's K20D test (Paul)

2008-04-04 Thread Jack Davis
Paul,
Thanks for posting this K20D review. 
Have you ever experienced the soft frame edge syndrome discussed in
this review?
I didn't refer back to the article to extract the exact context of the
remarks, but will do so if unclear.

Thanks,

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread Ken Waller
 But none of them have said what value they set for High ISO NR in the 
 setup menus. I have it on Weak.

Other than write speed, what's the trade off for using higher levels of NR?
I tend to leave most in camera/image controls off  use my CS2 for image 
modifications. I have no additional NR capabilities (other than those in 
CS2)

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is the K20D Popular?


 You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
 improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
 they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
 suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
 pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
 Paul
 On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really
 sold me,
 otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Is the K20D Popular?


 I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over the K10
 (right?)
 I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera
 compelling
 me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the K10 to
 replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I
 get
 the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
 feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
 widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that
 out.
 What do you guys think?

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
The LX is the Pentax Uber Camera of the 1980's.  A full system in some 
ways fully equal to the Canon New F1 and Nikon F3 exceeding both in some 
areas falling short in others.   It is the center of a full professional 
system.  The LX wink was current on the list between LX owners.  (I 
guess no one else was supposed to use it, though how that could be 
enforced was beyond me).  I still have a pair of them they are beautiful 
cameras.  Though they don't get much work these days.

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/LX/LX_old.html

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/LX/LX_new.html

Christine Aguila wrote:
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 large-sized winkicon?   having-a-brain-fart-in-Chicago, Christine


 - Original Message - 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:42 AM
 Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta


   
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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:20:13 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'd love to optimize my lens collection, unfortunately it seem to have a
 life of it's own.

grin

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 The D300 may have better high ISO. Some of the testers seem to think
 so. Although, again, I don't know if they're setting noise reduction
 values in the K20. If they are, they never mention it. I think Adam
 said he found the D300 noise at high ISO comparable to that of the
 K20D. The D300 is certainly more expensive and probably a bit better
 built as a consequence. It doesn't have in-body shake reduction. That
 would be a stopper for me, as I depend on hand holding a lot with
 older lenses. In the end I suppose it's mostly a matter of which
 direction your kit will go. I think it's usually better to settle on
 one brand, so that you can optimize your lens selection.
 Paul
 On Apr 4, 2008, at 7:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 I'm now on the fence.

 K20D or trade in the D200 for the D300, which is supposed to have
 better high iso.

 Dave

 On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Paul Stenquist
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You're welcome. Ironically, some testers have failed to notice the
  improved high ISO performance. But none of them have said what value
  they set for High ISO NR in the setup menus. I have it on Weak. I
  suspect if it's turned off, the 3200 noise would be fairly
  pronounced, but I have no inclination to experiment.
  Paul


 On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

 The apparent improved high ISO performance (thanks Paul) really
 sold me,
 otherwise I'm pretty sure I could have resisted.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Cory Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Is the K20D Popular?



 I think most of us agreed that the K20 is an improvement over
 the K10
 (right?)
 I'm curious about the sales.  I have not found the new camera
 compelling
 me to forsake the K10 in nearly the same way that I needed the
 K10 to
 replace the *istD.  I know some of you have made the switch, but I
 get
 the feeling that the K10 had more buzz.  My totally unfounded gut
 feeling is that the K10's initial buzz lasted longer and was more
 widespread than that of the K20.   I wonder if the sales bear that
 out.
 What do you guys think?

 CW

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Interesting Difference between Samsung GX20 and K20D

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Wireless transfer mode between GX20 and new Samsung HDTV sets.

About half way down the page

http://www.photoreporter.com/article.asp?issueID=num=03vol=16articleType=narticleID=2036

Not useful for me and possibly wrong headed in a semi-professional DSLR 
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Re: Interesting Difference between Samsung GX20 and K20D

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
I believe that the WiFi is a function of the grip.

Cheers,

Dave

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:17 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wireless transfer mode between GX20 and new Samsung HDTV sets.

  About half way down the page

  
 http://www.photoreporter.com/article.asp?issueID=num=03vol=16articleType=narticleID=2036

  Not useful for me and possibly wrong headed in a semi-professional DSLR
  but interesting none the less.

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Re: Interesting Difference between Samsung GX20 and K20D

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes but it seems to be only good for slide shows on dedicated Samsung 
televisions.  Pretty useless for me, though I'm sure someone will think 
its the bees knees...

David Savage wrote:
 I believe that the WiFi is a function of the grip.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:17 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Wireless transfer mode between GX20 and new Samsung HDTV sets.

  About half way down the page

  
 http://www.photoreporter.com/article.asp?issueID=num=03vol=16articleType=narticleID=2036

  Not useful for me and possibly wrong headed in a semi-professional DSLR
  but interesting none the less.
 

   


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Peso Chevy on Ice

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
So this is spring, eh.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent=Chevyice-5799.jpg

Drove through some nasty weather on Tuesday, from Sudbury to Sault
Ste. Marie Ontario. Rain, ice pellets, wet snow, wind.

Hwy 17 was closed from SSM to Wawa, so we stopped and put the loads to
bed. I noticed this when i was fueling up.

D200, Nikon 18-70, wet knees.

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Re: Is the K20D Popular?

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Ken Waller 
Subject: Re: Is the K20D Popular?


 But none of them have said what value they set for High ISO NR in the 
 setup menus. I have it on Weak.
 
 Other than write speed, what's the trade off for using higher levels of NR?
 I tend to leave most in camera/image controls off  use my CS2 for image 
 modifications. I have no additional NR capabilities (other than those in 
 CS2)

It tends to snuff fine detail.

William Robb

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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
Chuck Norris counted to infinity, twice.

Dave

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  anywhere close to infinity

  is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
  out there?

  Bob



   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
   Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44
   To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
   Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
  
   I would think it best to restrict something like this to
   lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be
   worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the
   line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount
   lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close
   to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful.
   Paul
-- Original message --
   From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby.  Any m42 lens and the
earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or
   Kodak Retina
IIIS/Reflex  with the proper adapter, I think there may
   even be a Leica
S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica,
   and copies
such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF
   lenses,   not
to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses.  Then there's the TX T4
   Adapall etc.
These are just the adapters I know of.  The scope is
   daunting and the
number of different lenses is astounding.
   
Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote:
 Hi everybody,

 as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-)

 I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a
   database with
 all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for
   the digital
 ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent
   k-mount web page
 (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind,
   because kmp has
 a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to
   Pentax lenses,
 while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are
   usable on a
 Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation
   for users, it
 will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will
   be a list of
 external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users
   can add to, etc
 .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data
   (so for example
 one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer
  automatic
 aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a
  overall
 quality rating  greater or equal 4) and a set of
   permissions with what
 a particular type of user(anonymous, registered
   user,staff,admin) can do
 or not. i think you get a rough idea.

 Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to

 maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven
   which in turn
 means, no html skills will be necessary to add and
   maintain data, and
 I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone
   who's interested
 in helping me.

 Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and
   thats why i
 come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a
   lens (weight,
 size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big
   problem,
 thanks to google, but what i would like to have are
   descriptions of the
 lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and
   did some
 shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of
   course contributions
 will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit
   copyright notice,
 with a link to the homepage of the contributor or
   something similar,
 except the contributor does not want to be mentioned.

 Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no
   layout and only
 some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing
   features, but as
 soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-)

 with kind regards from Germany,
 Andreas

 PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a
   commercial thing,
 actually i intend to place the whole thing under a
   Creative Commons 3
 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible
   name ^^), except
 of course for picture contributors that wish to retain
   their copyrights.


   
   
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Re: help needed for new pentax lens website

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  42

  Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Not at all. They could be carried.

Dave

  Kenneth Waller
  http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


  - Original Message -
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  Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website




  42
  
   John Francis wrote:
   How many countable infinities are there?
  
   On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
   I've always liked the countable infinities.  The uncountable ones seem
   so passe.
  
   Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM 
   Steve Desjardins wrote:
   Sure, according to the Mathematicians.  And they're almost as
   unhelpful
   as the philosophers.
  
   Steve the philosophy major
  
   Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM 
   anywhere close to infinity
   is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers
   out there?
   Which infinity?  The infinity of natural numbers?  The infinity of real
   numbers?  The infinity of human stupidity?
  
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/4/2008 10:01:56 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Usually, for me, if a  disc is bad, it  is bad from the beginning.

That's why you should  *always* run a verification/validation pass  
immediately after burning  a CD/DVD, and make at least two  
independently from the original  working set of files.

I'm sorry but this is not rocket science. It's  pretty easy to achieve  
highly reliable archives with today's systems,  with a minimum of fuss  
and computer savvy. Good quality equipment,  well designed archiving  
policy and proper procedures do the  job.

Godfrey

==
Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a verification/validation pass. 
And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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RE: gallery visit ...

2008-04-04 Thread Bob W
Michael Kenna is not entirely to my taste, although I understand his
appeal and recognise that he's a really good photographer. I do like a
lot of his Japanese work though - it's a very appropriate country for
his style. 

There's a video of him at work here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3glZrvAFVUU

Bob

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 Subject: gallery visit ... 
 
 I went to San Francisco yesterday. Spent a couple of hours at 
 SF MOMA  
 enjoying the Lee Friedlander retrospective exhibition as well as the

 several other photography exhibitions underway at present.
 
 That was good but then I went to the First Thursday evening at 49  
 Geary gallery building. The Steven Wirtz Gallery had the opening  
 reception for Michael Kenna's latest, photos from Mont St. 
 Michel and  
 New York. Stunning work: I could spend hours looking at his 
 photos. I  
 had a few moments to chat with him and pressed him to produce a book

 of the New York photos ... someday in the future. It's just 
 amazing  
 to see work of this calibre. If you have the opportunity, it's well

 worth it to get to the city if only for this show.
 
 Godfrey
 
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RE: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Bob W
 Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a 
 verification/validation pass. 
 And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.
 
 Marnie aka Doe  :-)
 

A read-after-write check should be built into the hardware (albeit
switchable from the operating system).

Bob


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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb

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Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta



 Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a verification/validation pass.
 And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.


I know Nero can be told to verify the data after the burn is complete. I'm 
always suspicious 
until I've stuck the CD into another drive and made sure that at the very 
least, the directory 
structure is in place.
I recall reading a technobabble article a few years ago about the number of 
errors that can 
happen during a normal burn process, and how if you keep copying the same data 
from CD to CD to 
CD, eventually, you will end up with an unusable coaster, and also that a CD 
can self introduce 
errors just sitting there, slowly oxidizing.
I don't recall the source of the article, but reading it was enough to make me 
start looking 
into hard drives instead of optical media, and to stick with good quality 
writers and discs for 
CD burning.

William Robb 


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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:22:33 +0100
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a 
  verification/validation pass. 
  And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.
  
  Marnie aka Doe  :-)

well both are PC's really.  I add another confusion as i run Ubuntu
Linux on my PC.

but as Bob said there should be a verification option in the burning
software.  i have run discs out of windows and mac OS PC's at friends
homes and have found the verifications but really have no idea what
applications I used there.

I burn 2 dvds and two sets of CDs as backup each month.  One is a
straight copy of the originals and edits and the other is a compressed
file copy.  I also keep copies on my machine and an hidden directory on
my son's machine ( he has all the excess storage in the house)

I am looking at net based storage solutions as well.

paranoia and multiple replications.

Bran

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-04 Thread Stan Halpin
Probably wishful thinking on the part of the store personnel.  
Distribution of goods, relationships with local retail outlets, has  
been a weak point of Pentax for a long time. Treated like mushrooms  
is an old metaphor that describes local stores in this relationship.  
We can only hope that the new Pentax actually makes some moves to  
improve the situation. Whether a 100% turnover is the answer or not  
is hard for anyone outside to discern.

stan

On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:22 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 If you try googling on it you get nothing.  If it were happening I  
 would
 think someone would have posted somewhere besides here.

 Adam Maas wrote:
 Or the usual dealer BS. It amazes me just how much utter crap
 salesmaggots say about various brands, all of it with absolutely no
 basis in reality.

 -Adam

 On 4/4/08, John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can you say April Fool?  That's what it sounds like, and the  
 timing is
  right.

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  Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff


 I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
 deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
 that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
 all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
 Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
 heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
 maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
 I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
 about what this means for Pentax USA?

 Jim M.

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Re: Calling all the Kiwi's

2008-04-04 Thread Walter Hamler
Thanks Jon!  That is the name. I was searching my brain and could not remember.
I went to the website and the google link. Boy, that area has grown a
lot since I was there!

I also saw some pics in the web recently of downtown ChCh and it has
grown a lot also. I guess we forget that progress (?) is constantly
going on world wide!

Thanks for your input!

Walt

On 4/4/08, Jon Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Looks like the sign of the takahe,
 http://www.signofthetakahe.com/
 http://local.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=sign+of+the+takahesll=-43.573489,172.630985sspn=0.010602,0.01502ie=UTF8ll=-43.581526,172.63504spn=0.00265,0.003755t=hz=18


 The first photo is of cathedral square, and both of those buildings
 are gone now.
 The second is of the town hall, where I once worked as a cleaner.


 Some very nice photos in there, makes me wish I could go and take few
 myself.


 Jon Hart.

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Re: Calling all the Kiwi's

2008-04-04 Thread Walter Hamler
Peter, good to hear from you.  My friend Roger whose boat we were on
in the pics from the Blenheim/Picton now lives on the outskirts of
Sydney. He lives far enough out that he has an observatory building
for his telescopes.

I hope you and your wife have a great time in NZ. I never visited N
Island, but S Island has got to be some of the most incredible scenery
I have ever seen.

As soon as my daughter gets married and leaves home I have already
told my Margaret that we are going back there again for at least 2
months!

Walt


 This is very interesting... My wife and I are spending a fortnight there in
 September for our 25th wedding anniversary.  Will be fun to compare -
 especially Franz Josef Glacier!

 Ciao,

 Peter in Western Sydney

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 4, 2008, at 13:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a verification/ 
 validation pass.
 And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.

 Marnie aka Doe  :-)


Marnie -

It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc.   
But MOST software has an option to immediately do a verify/compare  
between your source files and the burned disc immediately after the  
disc is written.

Might not give you that cool checksum verification that Godfrey is  
talking about, but it's better than nothing.

  -Charles

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 4, 2008, at 14:52, Bran Everseeking wrote:

 I burn 2 dvds and two sets of CDs as backup each month.  One is a
 straight copy of the originals and edits and the other is a compressed
 file copy.  I also keep copies on my machine and an hidden directory  
 on
 my son's machine ( he has all the excess storage in the house)


Is your intent to actually COMPRESS files (which, if they're JPEG  
files, won't really happen) or to just park them inside of some  
larger file structure which has error-checking and such?

  -Charles

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PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
A triptych considering ...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/59-focusing.jpg
Olympus E-1 + Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
ISO 400 @ f/2.5 @ 1/500 sec

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 4, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

 Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a verification/
 validation pass.
 And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.

 It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc.
 But MOST software has an option to immediately do a verify/compare
 between your source files and the burned disc immediately after the
 disc is written.

 Might not give you that cool checksum verification that Godfrey is
 talking about, but it's better than nothing.

That's what Apple's Mac OS X built-in CD/DVD burning software does,  
as well as Roxio Toast.

Godfrey

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Re: Pets in your home, photos and fee

2008-04-04 Thread wendy beard
You're probably not far off the mark with $60/hr to start with.
Certainly don't charge any less. You might be with the client for
about an hour but you've still got your processing time afterwards.
You could even up the price a bit more (say $75) and include an 8x10
or a smaller print package.
Make up a few flyers with some examples of your work to leave at the pet store.
Weren't you talking at one time about doing a photo shoot at the
store? That would maybe kickstart your business and help you get
referrals. You could then charge a nominal fee which would include a
print special offer! and it would get the customers back in to the
store too.

Wendy

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 7:14 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Cotty and every one else for the tips.

  Sounds like its a bit of a head ache at times, but possibly an
  interesting side line.

  I'll have to see if any of the pet store inquires pan out, and play it by 
 ear.

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't use the built in software in XP use something like Nero which will 
automatically verify the burn, if you ask it to.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 4/4/2008 10:01:56 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
 Usually, for me, if a  disc is bad, it  is bad from the beginning.
 

 That's why you should  *always* run a verification/validation pass  
 immediately after burning  a CD/DVD, and make at least two  
 independently from the original  working set of files.

 I'm sorry but this is not rocket science. It's  pretty easy to achieve  
 highly reliable archives with today's systems,  with a minimum of fuss  
 and computer savvy. Good quality equipment,  well designed archiving  
 policy and proper procedures do the  job.

 Godfrey

 ==
 Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a verification/validation pass. 
 And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.

 Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: Pets in your home, photos and fee

2008-04-04 Thread Amita Guha
When Nate wants to shoot the cats, I stand behind him and wave my
fingers over his head, sometimes while whistling at them or whatever
to get their attention. It works pretty well at getting them looking
in the direction of the lens. Treats are good as well if you want them
to stay in one place while you shoot. Just give them a couple wherever
your setup is and they will stay there for at least a few moments.
Good luck  have fun!

Amita

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RE: PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG

2008-04-04 Thread Bob W
Very good - very interesting and unusual. I particularly like the
flicker of light? curtain? whatever in the middle one. It gives the
whole assemblage some movement and life. There is a nice sense of
mystery in the pictures, as if a murder has been committed in the
room. 

Or perhaps I've seen Rear Window too many times.

Bob 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
 Sent: 04 April 2008 22:45
 To: DUG; PDML List; SeePhoto Talk; PAW Picture-A-Week project
 Subject: PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG
 
 A triptych considering ...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/59-focusing.jpg
 Olympus E-1 + Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
 ISO 400 @ f/2.5 @ 1/500 sec
 
 Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
 enjoy
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread pnstenquist
In my blissful ignorance, I've always done the verify. I guess that's because 
I've always used either the apple sofware or toast. Now I use Toast 9 
exclusively. It's excellent. In addition to doing he verify, it automatically 
will pick the best write speed if you allow it that option. On my LaCie burner, 
the best write speed is usually fairly fast -- 8 or 9X.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Apr 4, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
 
  Well, actually, Godfrey, not sure how  to do a verification/
  validation pass.
  And you can't help, as you're Mac and I am  PC.
 
  It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc.
  But MOST software has an option to immediately do a verify/compare
  between your source files and the burned disc immediately after the
  disc is written.
 
  Might not give you that cool checksum verification that Godfrey is
  talking about, but it's better than nothing.
 
 That's what Apple's Mac OS X built-in CD/DVD burning software does,  
 as well as Roxio Toast.
 
 Godfrey
 
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Re: Calling all the Kiwi's

2008-04-04 Thread pnstenquist
I spent a blissful three weeks working on the south island some nine or ten 
years ago. I loved it. I could live there in a heartbeat. Wonderful place, 
wonderful people.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Peter, good to hear from you.  My friend Roger whose boat we were on
 in the pics from the Blenheim/Picton now lives on the outskirts of
 Sydney. He lives far enough out that he has an observatory building
 for his telescopes.
 
 I hope you and your wife have a great time in NZ. I never visited N
 Island, but S Island has got to be some of the most incredible scenery
 I have ever seen.
 
 As soon as my daughter gets married and leaves home I have already
 told my Margaret that we are going back there again for at least 2
 months!
 
 Walt
 
 
  This is very interesting... My wife and I are spending a fortnight there in
  September for our 25th wedding anniversary.  Will be fun to compare -
  especially Franz Josef Glacier!
 
  Ciao,
 
  Peter in Western Sydney
 
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Re: PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG

2008-04-04 Thread pnstenquist
Interesting concept. It held my interest. The blind effect is intriguing.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A triptych considering ...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/59-focusing.jpg
 Olympus E-1 + Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
 ISO 400 @ f/2.5 @ 1/500 sec
 
 Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
 enjoy
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HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-04 Thread Patrick Genovese
Hi,

A friend of mine is thinking of buying a pentax DSLR and wanted to try
a couple of old F Series lenses on a K10D.

He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.

I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with fungus..
Given that the lens did not spend more than a couple of minutes on my
K10D what is the risk of the fungus getting to my own lenses via the
body.

I've never had a lens with fungus on it so I don't have much
experience in this regard.

Regards

Patrick Genovese

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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-04 Thread pnstenquist
I wouldn't worry about it, although i might wipe the lens mount with a towel 
dipped in bleach. But be careful not to get bleach on the plastic. 

That lens might be recoverable too. Tell your friend to take it to an expert 
camera repair shop. If the coatings haven't been etched by the fungus, it can 
be fixed. I have a beautiful lens that I bought for next to nothing ten years 
ago because it was fungus infected. It was disassmebled and sterilized by a 
pro. It came back perfect, and has worked flawlessly ever since.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hi,
 
 A friend of mine is thinking of buying a pentax DSLR and wanted to try
 a couple of old F Series lenses on a K10D.
 
 He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
 I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
 Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
 and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
 than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.
 
 I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with fungus..
 Given that the lens did not spend more than a couple of minutes on my
 K10D what is the risk of the fungus getting to my own lenses via the
 body.
 
 I've never had a lens with fungus on it so I don't have much
 experience in this regard.
 
 Regards
 
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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Doug Franklin
Charles Robinson wrote:

 It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc.   
 But MOST software has an option to immediately do a verify/compare  
 between your source files and the burned disc immediately after the  
 disc is written.

Having been burned before, I never trust that.  In my house, it's not a 
valid backup until I've copied every last byte back to another disk and 
done a binary comparison between those new copies and the originals.  I 
have a small external (USB) hard drive I use exclusively for this.

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta


 In my blissful ignorance, I've always done the verify. I guess that's because 
 I've always used 
 either the apple sofware or toast. Now I use Toast 9 exclusively. It's 
 excellent. In addition 
 to doing he verify, it automatically will pick the best write speed if you 
 allow it that 
 option. On my LaCie burner, the best write speed is usually fairly fast -- 8 
 or 9X.

That sounds exactly like Nero for PC.

William Robb 


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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Genovese
Subject: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem


 Hi,

 A friend of mine is thinking of buying a pentax DSLR and wanted to try
 a couple of old F Series lenses on a K10D.

 He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
 I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
 Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
 and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
 than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.

 I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with fungus..
 Given that the lens did not spend more than a couple of minutes on my
 K10D what is the risk of the fungus getting to my own lenses via the
 body.

 I've never had a lens with fungus on it so I don't have much
 experience in this regard.

It's unlikely from that short an exposure, I think, but you never know until 
it's too late.
If you are nervous, a gentle and thorough blowing out of the mirror box would 
certainly not 
hurt. Use it as an excuse to clean the dust off your sensor.

William Robb 


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My first A* Lens

2008-04-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Athough better late than never, I just got my first SMC PENTAX-A* lens
today, the A* 300mm F4.0. I cant believe the small size in length,
its only about the length of a typical 200mm but it does have
the typical large front element of an F4 300mm. The color saturation,
contrast, and resolution are all excellent in my quick and dirty
tests and with ZERO visible CA across the APS format. I am very happy
with this one. Only problem is now I want the other A* lenses
and they are all very costly...
JCO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug
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Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta


Charles Robinson wrote:

 It really depends upon what you're using to run your backups to disc.   
 But MOST software has an option to immediately do a verify/compare
 between your source files and the burned disc immediately after the  
 disc is written.

Having been burned before, I never trust that.  In my house, it's not a 
valid backup until I've copied every last byte back to another disk and 
done a binary comparison between those new copies and the originals.  I 
have a small external (USB) hard drive I use exclusively for this.

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Re: My first A* Lens

2008-04-04 Thread Doug Franklin
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Athough better late than never, I just got my first SMC PENTAX-A* lens
 today, the A* 300mm F4.0. I cant believe the small size in length,

If it's half as good as the F* 300/4.5 it's an awesome lens. 
Congratulations.

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Re: Peso Chevy on Ice

2008-04-04 Thread Ken Waller
I see you got to the hub of the problem.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Peso Chevy on Ice


 So this is spring, eh.

 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent=Chevyice-5799.jpg

 Drove through some nasty weather on Tuesday, from Sudbury to Sault
 Ste. Marie Ontario. Rain, ice pellets, wet snow, wind.

 Hwy 17 was closed from SSM to Wawa, so we stopped and put the loads to
 bed. I noticed this when i was fueling up.

 D200, Nikon 18-70, wet knees.

 Dave


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Re: Peso Chevy on Ice

2008-04-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good eye. Cool pic.
Paul
On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 I see you got to the hub of the problem.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Peso Chevy on Ice


 So this is spring, eh.

 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/? 
 action=viewcurrent=Chevyice-5799.jpg

 Drove through some nasty weather on Tuesday, from Sudbury to Sault
 Ste. Marie Ontario. Rain, ice pellets, wet snow, wind.

 Hwy 17 was closed from SSM to Wawa, so we stopped and put the  
 loads to
 bed. I noticed this when i was fueling up.

 D200, Nikon 18-70, wet knees.

 Dave


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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:00:59 -0500
Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is your intent to actually COMPRESS files (which, if they're JPEG  
 files, won't really happen) or to just park them inside of some  
 larger file structure which has error-checking and such?
 
   -Charles

the latter.  compression is less than 10 % for the usual months mix of
dng and jpg.

Bran

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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
BTW.

If any existing Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing
to send me a Lightroom 2 Beta invitation.

That way I can try the program out for longer than 30 Days.

TIA

Cheers,

Dave

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:56 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 10:04 AM 4/04/2008, Paul Stenquist wrote:

  On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:46 PM, David Savage wrote:

   From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
I'm a trifle horrified
   
I'm a trifle lover.
   
Mtrifle...om nom nom nom
  
  No pudding for you, young man!


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Historical Pentax Lens Street Prices When New : First Draft Database Available NOW

2008-04-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I have just spent the evening compiling the first revision
of PENTAX historical new street prices. This first rev. includes
screw and K lenses of spring 1976, k an m lenses of Feb '79
and Oct. '81. These dates are interesting because spring '76
both a full line of screw and K were being sold and the K
mounts were brand new ( although nearly all were reworked
m42 designs) , feb '79 the
M series were brand new, and late '81 was near the dawn of
the A series.

Some suprises to me, especially when adjusted for inflation.
The first 80-200 F4.5 zoom was astronomical in price!
The early K135-600/6.7 had an inflation adjusted price of over
$3500 in 2007 dollars, thats got to be the most expensive
K/M lens ever made. Over twice the price of the K15mm F3.5.
Seems like the SMCK Bellows 100mm/4.0 was the cheapest real SMC K mount
lens ever sold by Pentax. The k135/2.5 lens, which is now a prized
collectors item
was being closed out DIRT cheap in the early 80's, most likely
it was too big in the M era!

Anyway, I am going to vastly expand this as time goes by
but this first version seems like it would be somewhat interesting to some
Pentax
fans I would think. Anyone can feel free to publish this if desired,
it would have all slipped out sooner or later, but compilation
credit would be appreciated. It was work. I got all the data from
old magazine ad from back issues I bought on ebay. If anyone has any other
data
from magazine ads from other dates, I would glady add to
the database compilation and redistribute.

I would welcome others comments on these price values
vs. lens models too.


http://www.jchriso.com/temp/PHLPN.xls


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PESO 2008 - 60 (set of 16) - GDG

2008-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Some street photos in San Francisco ...

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157604387278924/

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey

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Re: PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG

2008-04-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
Bob said it well.  This is pretty cool.  Nice work, there Godfrey.

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Friday, April 4, 2008, 3:39:03 PM, you wrote:

BW Very good - very interesting and unusual. I particularly like the
BW flicker of light? curtain? whatever in the middle one. It gives the
BW whole assemblage some movement and life. There is a nice sense of
BW mystery in the pictures, as if a murder has been committed in the
BW room. 

BW Or perhaps I've seen Rear Window too many times.

BW Bob 

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 Subject: PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG
 
 A triptych considering ...
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/59-focusing.jpg
 Olympus E-1 + Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
 ISO 400 @ f/2.5 @ 1/500 sec
 
 Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
 enjoy
 Godfrey
 
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Re: Peso Chevy on Ice

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I see you got to the hub of the problem.

Wheel thanks Ken. I never tire of these kind of shots.'
'

Dasve




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  http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


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  From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Peso Chevy on Ice


   So this is spring, eh.
  
   
 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent=Chevyice-5799.jpg
  
   Drove through some nasty weather on Tuesday, from Sudbury to Sault
   Ste. Marie Ontario. Rain, ice pellets, wet snow, wind.
  
   Hwy 17 was closed from SSM to Wawa, so we stopped and put the loads to
   bed. I noticed this when i was fueling up.
  
   D200, Nikon 18-70, wet knees.
  
   Dave


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Re: Peso Chevy on Ice

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Paul.

Almost missed this shot.Thanks to slow gas pumps, i noticed it.

Dave

Dave

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good eye. Cool pic.
  Paul


 On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
   I see you got to the hub of the problem.
  
   Kenneth Waller
   http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
  
   - Original Message -
   From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Peso Chevy on Ice
  
  
   So this is spring, eh.
  
   http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?
   action=viewcurrent=Chevyice-5799.jpg
  
   Drove through some nasty weather on Tuesday, from Sudbury to Sault
   Ste. Marie Ontario. Rain, ice pellets, wet snow, wind.
  
   Hwy 17 was closed from SSM to Wawa, so we stopped and put the
   loads to
   bed. I noticed this when i was fueling up.
  
   D200, Nikon 18-70, wet knees.
  
   Dave
  
  
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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW.

  If any existing Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing
  to send me a Lightroom 2 Beta invitation.

  That way I can try the program out for longer than 30 Days.

Thou shall count to 30, 31 is RIGHT OUT.

Dave

  TIA

  Cheers,

  Dave



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On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:46 PM, David Savage wrote:
  
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I'm a trifle horrified
 
  I'm a trifle lover.
 
  Mtrifle...om nom nom nom

No pudding for you, young man!
  
  
Awww
  
  
  
  
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OT: For those with teenagers...

2008-04-04 Thread David Savage
... those who deal with them regularly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_veIGGP1Uh4


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Re: My first A* Lens

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
This is a fantastic lens

http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20theegretislanding.html
Taken with the A*300 f4.0 and F 1.7x AF adapter

Doug Franklin wrote:
 J. C. O'Connell wrote:
   
 Athough better late than never, I just got my first SMC PENTAX-A* lens
 today, the A* 300mm F4.0. I cant believe the small size in length,
 

 If it's half as good as the F* 300/4.5 it's an awesome lens. 
 Congratulations.

   


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Pentax lens prices - historical comparison

2008-04-04 Thread Stan Halpin
Those of you who have a filter that prevents you from viewing  
postings by a list member who goes by his initials which include J  
and C and O, you might want to unfilter for a bit and look at his  
4 April 2008 8:47:56 PM CDT posting. He has begun compiling historic  
lens prices, and in the message he provides a URL to download his  
work in progress. A nobel venture; hopefully, if you have some data  
to add to the mix, you will set aside for the moment any differences  
arising from past discussions...

stan

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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
Thanks for all the answers. I think checksums or  byte comparisons are best, 
but I will look into what my software offers.  Actually, never done any 
verification, so anything will probably be better than  nothing.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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RE: My first A* Lens

2008-04-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I realized Pentax may have made a big goof with their lens designations
with the A series. There was no designation for COMPACT fully
auto (A) lenses. If there was, the A*300/4 would be the most
Mish A lens ever. I still cant believe how short it is. If I
knew that I would have bought it a long time ago. Pentax blew
it with their lens designations for sure. They should have called
the compact A lenses MA or something similar, not just A.
UNLESS, does A* mean compact A? I always thought it meant 
high performance A, not compact A.
jco

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This is a fantastic lens

http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20theegretislanding.html
Taken with the A*300 f4.0 and F 1.7x AF adapter

Doug Franklin wrote:
 J. C. O'Connell wrote:
   
 Athough better late than never, I just got my first SMC PENTAX-A* 
 lens today, the A* 300mm F4.0. I cant believe the small size in 
 length,
 

 If it's half as good as the F* 300/4.5 it's an awesome lens.
 Congratulations.

   


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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/4/2008 6:44:16 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
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BTW.

If any existing  Lightroom users feel so inclined, Would you be willing
to send me a Lightroom  2 Beta invitation.

That way I can try the program out for longer than 30  Days.

TIA

Cheers,

Dave


Adobe,  unfortunately, is pretty good at the time expiration thing. Better 
than  most.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  Still debating if I am going to try the  Beta. 

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Re: Peso Chevy on Ice

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Looks like some kind of tire slashing device from an 007 movie.  Nice catch.

David J Brooks wrote:
 So this is spring, eh.

 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/NTS%20PHOTOS/?action=viewcurrent=Chevyice-5799.jpg

 Drove through some nasty weather on Tuesday, from Sudbury to Sault
 Ste. Marie Ontario. Rain, ice pellets, wet snow, wind.

 Hwy 17 was closed from SSM to Wawa, so we stopped and put the loads to
 bed. I noticed this when i was fueling up.

 D200, Nikon 18-70, wet knees.

 Dave

   


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PESO -- Night Scene

2008-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Bad title but it's late.

I was walking across Yale's campus tonight after taking in a concert, 
when she said I don't think I've ever seen that building before.  Well 
she must have at one time or other, but during the day it's a 
nondescript  office building at night it looks a little different.

http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20nightscene.html

Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 limited

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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