Re: Lightroom tips?

[Tim Bray]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Who would like to share some tips, how-tos, or links for a total lightroom
> noob?

Well, this is a meta-tip, but there are a handful of blogs out there
that are just jam-packed with juicy LR wisdom.

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/
http://blogs.oreilly.com/lightroom/

  -Tim

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Re: tripod advice (again)

[Subash]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:20:42 -0400
John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Actually, I paid closer to $100 for just the ball head, so the price
> is excellent. You'll get your money's worth if you can use a short,
> sturdy tripod.

thanks John, Godfrey and John again. thanks for all the suggestions.
i think i'll let it stew for a while and see what my options are.
thanks again. regards, subash

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Re: head to head: Hasselblad and a Canon :-)

[Subash]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:24:16 -0500
"Christine  Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> photography and photographers--the journey has been great fun so far;
> it will be interesting to see where it takes us.  Cheers, Christine

hi Christine,

it does look very interesting. but, personally, i've got quite a way to
go before i fully understand how to get the best out of what i already
have. :-) K10D is camera enough for me, right now and for some time to
come...

regards, subash

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Re: PESO: Sir Spencer, Dragon Slayer

[Bruce Dayton]

I almost feel like I'm being stalked!  Rather nice shot, and I'm not
much into cat pictures.

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WH> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#401398420_TdXYU-XL-LB

WH> At least in his dreams!  :-)

WH> Taken with the K10D and the lowly Tamron 70~300 LD Macro and cropped almost 
50%.

WH> Walt

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Re: Local store scaring me silly regarding Pentax

[Joseph McAllister]

I believe the general consensus was that since Hoya took over the  
Pentax helm, Pentax USA is under different marching orders. Perhaps  
using Hoya reps? Perhaps Pentax USA having to sign a new import and  
marketing contract with Hoya? Anyway, the Boss at Hoya has stated that  
they were going to do nothing to cut back or halt or hinder the Pentax  
brand of cameras and other optical devices.


Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time

On Oct 24, 2008, at 20:25 , PN Stenquist wrote:

Probably the latter. But it's irrelevant. What happens, happens.  
With the economic downturn, it's inevitable that some makers will go  
down. And it won't necessarily be the low volume ones.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Morris Galloway wrote:

Reports of sluggish camera sales started quite  a disruptive thread  
some time ago, and have no wish to
start that up again, but ... is Pentax cutting back on Sales Reps  
in the U.S.?  Now?  Just before the Big Rush?  Or is that just my  
salesperson's rumor  to get  me to buy the  300* and the 200*  NOW,  
before  December  24th?



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PESO: The pre-workout cup of coffee

[PN Stenquist]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8089740&size=lg

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Re: Local store scaring me silly regarding Pentax

[PN Stenquist]

Probably the latter. But it's irrelevant. What happens, happens. With  
the economic downturn, it's inevitable that some makers will go down.  
And it won't necessarily be the low volume ones.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Morris Galloway wrote:

Reports of sluggish camera sales started quite  a disruptive thread  
some time ago, and have no wish to
start that up again, but ... is Pentax cutting back on Sales Reps in  
the U.S.?  Now?  Just before the Big Rush?  Or is that just my  
salesperson's rumor  to get  me to buy the  300* and the  200*  NOW,  
before  December  24th?


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Local store scaring me silly regarding Pentax

[Morris Galloway]

Reports of sluggish camera sales started quite  a disruptive thread some 
time ago, and have no wish to
start that up again, but ... is Pentax cutting back on Sales Reps in the 
U.S.?  Now?  Just before the Big Rush?  Or is that just my salesperson's 
rumor  to get  me to buy the  300* and the  200*  NOW, before  December  
24th?


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Re: PS CS4]

[Paul Sorenson]

I couldn't agree more.  I've been using TurboTax for close to 15 years, 
albeit on a Windows box, and, counting myself and family members, may 
use it to file as many as 6 returns each year.  Each has their own 
unique needs including real estate, rental property, investments, Sked C 
and it handles them all with ease


-p

PN Stenquist wrote:
I've been using TurboTax, on a Mac, for at least ten years. These days I 
simply download it from the Intuit website. The software gets better 
every year, and it makes tax time a breeze, even for someone like me who 
has lots of itemized deductions and a schedule C.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:





I stopped using TurboTax  after years of having a hard time finding a 
copy for the Mac. Now, you can buy an inexpensive copy for simple tax 
situations and no state (I live in a no income tax state) that runs on 
your PC, but if you want a Mac version, you must buy the Deluxe 
version, and not use 98% if it. So I have not been aware it would 
allow you to upgrade your Quicken, and frankly doubt very much if it 
would upgrade anything for the Mac, especially back to the 2006 
version. By the way, you cannot upgrade 2006 to 2008, and cannot buy 
(from Intuit) 2007, and the new 2009 is not available yet for the Mac 
(now called something like "Financial Freedom"). You think that sound 
like "support for the Mac platform"? I think Intuit is a tank-load of 
crap. You can tell them I said so.


Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time

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Re: PESO: Sir Spencer, Dragon Slayer

[Walter Hamler]

If only he could be. He has no front claws and even when he catches a
squirrel they just slip away quickly as he can't hold on to them. He
gets the most dejected look when that happens and I feel so sorry for
him!  But we are buds so that makes it fun.

Walt

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WOW! Good crisp shot. "A rodent's nightmare".
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> From: Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: PESO: Sir Spencer, Dragon Slayer
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:28 PM
>> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#401398420_TdXYU-XL-LB
>>
>> At least in his dreams!  :-)
>>
>> Taken with the K10D and the lowly Tamron 70~300 LD Macro
>> and cropped almost 50%.
>>
>> Walt
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Re: CS4, first impressions

[PN Stenquist]

Good:-).
Another nice thing I noticed is that the clone tool shows you what the  
clone application would look like before you pull the trigger. In  
other words, You pick up the piece you want to clone and as you move  
the brush to the area where you're going to place it, the result  
appears within the brush circle. I already found that it allows for  
more placement control.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 9:28 PM, David Savage wrote:


LR has all those features.

:-)

2008/10/25 PN Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I never became real familiar with CS3, although I had it at work. I  
do all
my photo work at home, and I've been using CS1 for quite a few  
years. I
spent the last few hours converting and tweaking some pics with  
CS4. First,
I have to say that I find this version of Bridge outstanding. The  
slider
allows me to set the preview size to huge dimensions if I wish, and  
the
intel Mac is fast enough to scroll through a large folder  
seamlessly. The
Raw Converter provides much more control than my ancient version of  
the

same. The "Recovery" slider directly adjusts highlights. "Fill Light"
provides more shadow fill than the old (and still available)  
"brightness"
control. "Clarity" seems to provide a measure of sharpening, and  
"Vibrance"
probably increases midrange contrast. And it's all very fast. I'm  
liking it.

Back to play...I mean work.
Paul


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Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W"

Subject: RE: the nanny state continues to grow ...





They've already installed CCTV in my underpants.


And we just thought you were happy all the time

William Robb

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Re: single light portraits

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph McAllister" 
Subject: Re: single light portraits






I believe everything on this page was done with a single beauty dish.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/lyndsaye/lyndsaye1.html

I like single light portraiture, I suppose because I'm just not  
competent to use more than that..




With two shadows?


Right you are, I did have a weak fill on those ones.
My bad.

William Robb

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Lightroom tips?

[Cory Waters]

Who would like to share some tips, how-tos, or links for a total 
lightroom noob?

CW


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Re: CS4, first impressions

[David Savage]

LR has all those features.

:-)

2008/10/25 PN Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I never became real familiar with CS3, although I had it at work. I do all
> my photo work at home, and I've been using CS1 for quite a few years. I
> spent the last few hours converting and tweaking some pics with CS4. First,
> I have to say that I find this version of Bridge outstanding. The slider
> allows me to set the preview size to huge dimensions if I wish, and the
> intel Mac is fast enough to scroll through a large folder seamlessly. The
> Raw Converter provides much more control than my ancient version of the
> same. The "Recovery" slider directly adjusts highlights. "Fill Light"
> provides more shadow fill than the old (and still available) "brightness"
> control. "Clarity" seems to provide a measure of sharpening, and "Vibrance"
> probably increases midrange contrast. And it's all very fast. I'm liking it.
> Back to play...I mean work.
> Paul

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CS4, first impressions

[PN Stenquist]

I never became real familiar with CS3, although I had it at work. I do  
all my photo work at home, and I've been using CS1 for quite a few  
years. I spent the last few hours converting and tweaking some pics  
with CS4. First, I have to say that I find this version of Bridge  
outstanding. The slider allows me to set the preview size to huge  
dimensions if I wish, and the intel Mac is fast enough to scroll  
through a large folder seamlessly. The Raw Converter provides much  
more control than my ancient version of the same. The "Recovery"  
slider directly adjusts highlights. "Fill Light" provides more shadow  
fill than the old (and still available) "brightness" control.  
"Clarity" seems to provide a measure of sharpening, and "Vibrance"  
probably increases midrange contrast. And it's all very fast. I'm  
liking it. Back to play...I mean work.

Paul

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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 18:01 , PN Stenquist wrote:

I already have the most recent MS Office, so I'm good for now. Every  
agency or publication I've ever worked for uses MS Office, and i  
want my home system to b fully compatible with that of any employer  
or client. I don't believe in swimming against the tide:-).

Paul


Which is precisely what the Microsoft business model counts on, and  
why they teeter on the brink of being a monopoly every single day.  
(Actually they are, but they have the best 350 corporate lawyers on  
the payroll to steamroller any legal complaints)


So few want to swim against the tide.

Sad.

Joseph McAllister
Apple/Mac user since 1978


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Re: PS CS4

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:45 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:

I need MS office. I get Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint  
presentations from clients and colleagues, and I have to be able to  
see them. All of them.  ... I have no love for Microsoft, but I  
don't let personal feelings get in the way of good business practices.


Certainly, if you're in a *business* situation that demands extensive  
interaction with a group of people using Office on either Mac OS X or  
Windows, there is no more sensible thing to do than to use Office.


But that's not what I do. And, I suspect, not what John Sessoms does.

I own a copy of Office '08 (purchased through a friend for $25) and  
I'd install it in a second if I needed it for business. So far, I  
haven't needed to at all, and I've exchanged several dozen files  
in .doc and .xls format that all worked perfectly.


Godfrey

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Re: PESO: Sir Spencer, Dragon Slayer

[Bob Sullivan]

Walt,
That's a fun shot.  Love the intensity.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#401398420_TdXYU-XL-LB
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> At least in his dreams!  :-)
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> Taken with the K10D and the lowly Tamron 70~300 LD Macro and cropped almost 
> 50%.
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Re: Inverters

[Bob Sullivan]

When you're ready to try the Arc Welder, give me a shout.
I'd like to be there for pictures.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 24/10/08, Mat Maessen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Solid-state inverters tend not to work well on anything with more than
>>a small electric motor in it. So angle grinding is probably out unless
>>you get a generator. :-)
>
> 
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> Thems fightin' words.
>
> I am going to try my angle grinder this weekend. 650 watts of pure metal
> resection and cauterization.
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Re: PS CS4

[PN Stenquist]

I already have the most recent MS Office, so I'm good for now. Every  
agency or publication I've ever worked for uses MS Office, and i want  
my home system to b fully compatible with that of any employer or  
client. I don't believe in swimming against the tide:-).

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


PN Stenquist wrote:
I need MS office. I get Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint  
presentations from clients and colleagues, and I have to be able to  
see them. All of them.  I tried a demo version of Apple iWorks for  
a while, but it couldn't realistically deal with all MS Office  
files. And some word.doc files created in iWork couldn't be opened  
by some PC-based clients. On this one, I'd say, "Nice try Apple,  
but no cigar." I have no love for Microsoft, but I don't let  
personal feelings get in the way of good business practices.


You should try Open Office. It reads (and saves) the latest MS  
Office file formats. Even PowerPoint, I think.


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Re: PS CS4 (sharpening)

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Godfrey.  This is good to hear, and your sharpening points are very 
helpful and insightful.  Much appreciated.  So far I have to say I've been 
happy with Lightroom's sharpening as well as the software program 
itself--it's so much fun to use because it's so easy to use.  Go Lightroom! 
Thanks again, Godfrey.  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: Re: PS CS4 (sharpening)




On Oct 24, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

In a book on Lightroom, the author made the claim that Lightroom is  not 
very good for "professional quality sharpening."  The  recommendation is 
to do rendering in Lightroom, then open image in  PS for final 
sharpening. This surprised me.  I'd be interested in  knowing what list 
folks think.  The book is S. Kelby's Adobe PS  Lightroom Book for Dig. 
Photogs.  Cheers, Christine



I'd take Scott's advice with a grain of salt.

As preamble, digital sharpening should be done with three specific  things 
in mind:


- input sharpening :
  Cleaning up the blur induced by the antialiasing filter.

- creative sharpening :
  As needed, adding a bit of perceptual jiz to sections of a photo  for 
punch as a creative endeavor.


- output sharpening :
  Tailoring the rendering to the output display/printer-paper 
requirements for best results at the output resolution.


As I wrote on another forum recently:

"I find that with good lenses, good exposure and accurate focusing, I  do 
extremely little input sharpening on most photos beyond the  defaults. 
Sometimes I tweak the Lightroom controls a little bit from  the defaults 
but only rarely ... when I'm trying to compensate for a  problem that 
arose at capture time.


I tend to do none to very little "creative sharpening", which is where 
I'd jump into Photoshop in the rendering process after most of the  rest 
of the work is done.


Finally, I have the output sharpening set to Standard in Lightroom 2  for 
most printing jobs.


I think what you can read from the above is "use a good lens, get the 
focus and exposure correct, hold the camera still (in the hand or with  a 
tripod) and there isn't much need for more than the default LR 
sharpening". ;-) Other than the output sharpening required for  printing 
and resizing for web display, of course, but those are fairly  trivial 
things.


Everything I've posted since LR2 was released has been processed  entirely 
in Lightroom, with no jump into Photoshop until after export  to apply a 
border and titling. The key to 'why with LR2?' was  selective area tonal 
editing."


I've never used much sharpening. Good lenses, good focus and good 
exposure count for lots more.


Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Crossing College

[Bob Sullivan]

Mundane at first then I find myself looking more closely at the people.
What/who are these folks?
The odd duck with the hat, cane, and shoulder bag,
The other old man with the young girl next to him,
The young guy on the left side of the frame,
The boy with the dog,
The guy with his briefcase over his left shoulder.
Who are they?  What brings them together?
I think they are more mysterious from the back - no faces.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The shadows are lengthening, even at mid-day:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/10/crossing-college.html
>
> It's simple, but I still like it.  Comment if you feel compelled to.
>
> Thanks,
> frank
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Re: PS CS4

[Mark Roberts]

PN Stenquist wrote:
I need MS office. I get Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint presentations 
from clients and colleagues, and I have to be able to see them. All of 
them.  I tried a demo version of Apple iWorks for a while, but it 
couldn't realistically deal with all MS Office files. And some word.doc 
files created in iWork couldn't be opened by some PC-based clients. On 
this one, I'd say, "Nice try Apple, but no cigar." I have no love for 
Microsoft, but I don't let personal feelings get in the way of good 
business practices.


You should try Open Office. It reads (and saves) the latest MS Office 
file formats. Even PowerPoint, I think.


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Re: OT PESO - Suburban Lightshow

[David Savage]

2008/10/25 frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:46 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Took this one a couple of hours ago with the non Pentax camera (~105kb):
>>
>> 
>>
>> It's going to be a wild & woolly night
>>
>
> The colours are amazing!
>
> Is that what they looked like "in real life"?

Yeah, pretty much.

Cheers,

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Re: PS CS4

[PN Stenquist]

I need MS office. I get Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint  
presentations from clients and colleagues, and I have to be able to  
see them. All of them.  I tried a demo version of Apple iWorks for a  
while, but it couldn't realistically deal with all MS Office files.  
And some word.doc files created in iWork couldn't be opened by some PC- 
based clients. On this one, I'd say, "Nice try Apple, but no cigar." I  
have no love for Microsoft, but I don't let personal feelings get in  
the way of good business practices.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


On Oct 24, 2008, at 4:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

I've downloaded Open Office from OpenOffice.org as an alternative  
to Microsoft Office.


I do have licenses for Office 2003 (I think it is), and could  
install that IF I wanted to, but Open Office is FREEWARE, and does  
just about everything MS Office does and can produce compatible  
output.


There are a couple of things it does different that I'm still  
getting used to, but overall, I'm very pleased with the  
performance ... and definitely pleased with the price.


Looks like a new version was released this month with a native OS-X  
port.


I only use Calc & Writer, but there are a bunch of other  
components. The presentation program Impress can output to Adobe  
Flash SWF files or PDF files, so if I ever need to do a slide-show  
presentation again ...


I don't need MS Office either.

The $80 spent on Apple's iWork package is worth it for the Keynote  
presentation software alone. *Nothing* else does as good a job for  
presentations, not that I've found. It's the best way I've found to  
show photographs to a group, never mind it's capabilities for doing  
presentations. The same could be said for any one of the three  
applications.


Pages and Numbers do a darn fine job too. Pages reads Word docs,  
Numbers reads Excel docs.


All of them can output to PDF, HTML, QuickTime, Flash, Word, Excel,  
PowerPoint, etc as appropriate to the application.


Apple updates them with bug fixes and feature additions regularly as  
well. Fully supported, full featured, etc etc.


Godfrey

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Re: PESO: Sir Spencer, Dragon Slayer

[Jack Davis]

WOW! Good crisp shot. "A rodent's nightmare".

Jack


--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: Sir Spencer, Dragon Slayer
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 4:28 PM
> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#401398420_TdXYU-XL-LB
> 
> At least in his dreams!  :-)
> 
> Taken with the K10D and the lowly Tamron 70~300 LD Macro
> and cropped almost 50%.
> 
> Walt
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Re: PS CS4

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 4:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

I've downloaded Open Office from OpenOffice.org as an alternative to  
Microsoft Office.


I do have licenses for Office 2003 (I think it is), and could  
install that IF I wanted to, but Open Office is FREEWARE, and does  
just about everything MS Office does and can produce compatible  
output.


There are a couple of things it does different that I'm still  
getting used to, but overall, I'm very pleased with the  
performance ... and definitely pleased with the price.


Looks like a new version was released this month with a native OS-X  
port.


I only use Calc & Writer, but there are a bunch of other components.  
The presentation program Impress can output to Adobe Flash SWF files  
or PDF files, so if I ever need to do a slide-show presentation  
again ...


I don't need MS Office either.

The $80 spent on Apple's iWork package is worth it for the Keynote  
presentation software alone. *Nothing* else does as good a job for  
presentations, not that I've found. It's the best way I've found to  
show photographs to a group, never mind it's capabilities for doing  
presentations. The same could be said for any one of the three  
applications.


Pages and Numbers do a darn fine job too. Pages reads Word docs,  
Numbers reads Excel docs.


All of them can output to PDF, HTML, QuickTime, Flash, Word, Excel,  
PowerPoint, etc as appropriate to the application.


Apple updates them with bug fixes and feature additions regularly as  
well. Fully supported, full featured, etc etc.


Godfrey

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Re: PESO: Picker's Palace

[Jack Davis]

Appreciate your comments, Frank..thanks much!

Jack


--- On Fri, 10/24/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Picker's Palace
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:41 PM
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Jack Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Took the K20D for a spin in the Sierra foothills
> today. Went through the small settlement of Rough and Ready
> which was established in 1849 in the Mother Load; ground
> zero of the '49 gold rush.
> > Appears "Picker's Palace" has nothing
> directly to do with the nostrils, but, as the banner states,
> "Fruitjar Pickers". I gather guitars are involved.
> 
> I like it.  I agree with you WRT the mailboxes - they
> certainly
> emphasize the rural setting.  Those old buildings with the
> facades
> look like something out of an old western.
> 
> Nice shot!
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> -- 
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri
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Re: PESO: Empire Pump

[Jack Davis]

Because you are an aficionado of photography, a special "thanks", Frank.

Jack


--- On Fri, 10/24/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Empire Pump
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:37 PM
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Jack Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Same feverish drive looking for targets for the new
> "20".
> > This was taken near Grass Valley, CA at the played out
> Empire Gold Mine.
> > Only memorialized for its weathered character.
> > Being able to closely examine the RAW file, revealing
> the effects of time and the elements, is my excuse for
> taking this.
> 
> Not that I'm an aficionado of old gas pumps, but
> I've never seen one
> like that before.  That's pretty cool.
> 
> The photo's terrific - love the colours!
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: PS CS4

[John Sessoms]

From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why use  
quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do it with  
a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've migrated it  
through several different DB engines as things changed. It works fine.


Very little of what I do today with image processing was anywhere near  
as easy and productive to do in PS 4. Same for my writing and document  
creation comparing AppleWorks and Pages.


I've downloaded Open Office from OpenOffice.org as an alternative to 
Microsoft Office.


I do have licenses for Office 2003 (I think it is), and could install 
that IF I wanted to, but Open Office is FREEWARE, and does just about 
everything MS Office does and can produce compatible output.


There are a couple of things it does different that I'm still getting 
used to, but overall, I'm very pleased with the performance ... and 
definitely pleased with the price.


Looks like a new version was released this month with a native OS-X port.

I only use Calc & Writer, but there are a bunch of other components. The 
presentation program Impress can output to Adobe Flash SWF files or PDF 
files, so if I ever need to do a slide-show presentation again ...


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Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...

[Charles Robinson]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 18:46, Scott Loveless wrote:


Are you saying I don't absolutely have to wear days-of-the-week  
underwear?




Just make sure that the animal on the underwear label matches the  
animal on the shirt label and you'll be fine.


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Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...

[Scott Loveless]

On 10/24/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On Oct 24, 2008, at 3:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >>
> http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/10/safety.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I hate this stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate it when it becomes law - too over the top.
> > > >
> > > Yes, exactly. I have nothing against being safe and visible. But
> declaring it a law and threatening highway funding, etc, is a Big
> Brotherism that I find appalling.
> > >
> >
> > Next thing you know, they'll make it mandatory for all the automobile
> manufacturers to install seat-belts.
> >
>
>  Indeed. And airbags too.
>
>  Soon they'll tell you what sort of underpants you can wear, and when.

Are you saying I don't absolutely have to wear days-of-the-week underwear?

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RE: the nanny state continues to grow ...

[Bob W]

[...]
> >
> > Next thing you know, they'll make it mandatory for all the
> > automobile manufacturers to install seat-belts.
> 
> Indeed. And airbags too.
> 
> Soon they'll tell you what sort of underpants you can wear, and when.
> 
> G

They've already installed CCTV in my underpants.

Bob


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Re: Inverters

[Scott Loveless]

On 10/24/08, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Continuing the "Batteries" thread.
> >
> > I'd like to get an inverter for the car to run a AA battery charger,
> > cell phone charger and the laptop.

>  The cheap one is probably a square wave inverter, which shouldn't bother
> your laptop in the least. But, you'd probably be better off getting the 12v
> DC power cable that goes with your laptop instead of inverting and
> re-rectifying the power.
>
>  I have an external charger I bought along with an extra battery (NP-400 ??)
> for the BG-2 that goes with the K10D. That charger is AC/DC capable, and
> came with a cigarett lighter style plug.
>
>  My cell phone came with both AC and DC chargers as well.
>
>  Somewhere I have a 12v DC charger for AA NiMH batteries.

That would be ideal.  However, I've lost the DC charger for my phone,
and don't have one for the laptop or the AA batteries.  The reason for
getting the inverter was to save a few bucks and plug this stuff in
with the existing wall warts.

>  It didn't work all that well for what I wanted to use it for, but I expect
> that was because I couldn't get a true 12v DC from a HMMWV (24v system the
> Army wouldn't let me modify to add a 12v power plug outlet - they've since
> developed a kit to do just that.)
>
>  So really, everything you've mentioned should already run off of 12v DC,
> and you wouldn't need the inverter.
>
>  The biggest problem I've had running accessories off the lighter/power
> sockets is how the circuit is fused.
>
>  If the sockets are individually fused, you should be ok, although it's
> probably fused at 5A.

The dash socket only provides power when the vehicle is on.  The other
three, 2 in the console and 1 in the rear, will provide power even if
we shut the vehicle off.  So I'm guessing there are at least 2
circuits.  I'll check the fuse panel this weekend.

>  But if they're all on the same circuit, I think you're going to be blowing
> a lot of fuses, especially if you try to run them all at the same time off
> the inverter, which is going to suck some current for itself in addition to
> what it draws to power your accessories.

I doubt I'd ever run all 3 at the same time.  Fuses most likely
wouldn't be an issue.  Typically, we only have my wife's phone plugged
in up front.

Thanks for the advice, John.  Much appreciated.

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Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 3:25 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


>> http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/10/safety.html
>>
>> I hate this stuff.

>
> I hate it when it becomes law - too over the top.
Yes, exactly. I have nothing against being safe and visible. But   
declaring it a law and threatening highway funding, etc, is a Big   
Brotherism that I find appalling.


Next thing you know, they'll make it mandatory for all the  
automobile manufacturers to install seat-belts.


Indeed. And airbags too.

Soon they'll tell you what sort of underpants you can wear, and when.

G

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Re: single light portraits

[John Sessoms]

From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"

Subject: single light portraits



> Heya!
>
> Anyone have any single light portraits to share?  Also, what are you
> opinions are using a single light?


I believe everything on this page was done with a single beauty dish.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/lyndsaye/lyndsaye1.html


They're all done with 2 lights, except for perhaps the top one. It's 
hard to tell about that one; but all the rest, just look down at the 
feet, and you can see two shadows from main & fill.


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Re: PS CS4 (sharpening)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

In a book on Lightroom, the author made the claim that Lightroom is  
not very good for "professional quality sharpening."  The  
recommendation is to do rendering in Lightroom, then open image in  
PS for final sharpening. This surprised me.  I'd be interested in  
knowing what list folks think.  The book is S. Kelby's Adobe PS  
Lightroom Book for Dig.  Photogs.  Cheers, Christine



I'd take Scott's advice with a grain of salt.

As preamble, digital sharpening should be done with three specific  
things in mind:


- input sharpening :
  Cleaning up the blur induced by the antialiasing filter.

- creative sharpening :
  As needed, adding a bit of perceptual jiz to sections of a photo  
for punch as a creative endeavor.


- output sharpening :
  Tailoring the rendering to the output display/printer-paper  
requirements for best results at the output resolution.


As I wrote on another forum recently:

"I find that with good lenses, good exposure and accurate focusing, I  
do extremely little input sharpening on most photos beyond the  
defaults. Sometimes I tweak the Lightroom controls a little bit from  
the defaults but only rarely ... when I'm trying to compensate for a  
problem that arose at capture time.


I tend to do none to very little "creative sharpening", which is where  
I'd jump into Photoshop in the rendering process after most of the  
rest of the work is done.


Finally, I have the output sharpening set to Standard in Lightroom 2  
for most printing jobs.


I think what you can read from the above is "use a good lens, get the  
focus and exposure correct, hold the camera still (in the hand or with  
a tripod) and there isn't much need for more than the default LR  
sharpening". ;-) Other than the output sharpening required for  
printing and resizing for web display, of course, but those are fairly  
trivial things.


Everything I've posted since LR2 was released has been processed  
entirely in Lightroom, with no jump into Photoshop until after export  
to apply a border and titling. The key to 'why with LR2?' was  
selective area tonal editing."


I've never used much sharpening. Good lenses, good focus and good  
exposure count for lots more.


Godfrey

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PESO: Sir Spencer, Dragon Slayer

[Walter Hamler]

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#401398420_TdXYU-XL-LB

At least in his dreams!  :-)

Taken with the K10D and the lowly Tamron 70~300 LD Macro and cropped almost 50%.

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re: tripod advice (again)

[John Sessoms]

From: Subash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

hi,

one more query regarding tripods.  ;-)  basically, i am looking for a
lightweight tripod to carry with me on my motorcycle rides. since i'll
usually be carrying a lot of camping gear too (tent, sleeping bag and
stuff) besides spares, i am really looking for something which
wouldn't take too much space, which is light and can handle the k10d
and either the DA16-45mm or the sigma 10-20mm (if i get one).

i am kind of leaning towards the manfrotto 725B with an integrated
ball head. would really appreciate your inputs on this. do tell me if
i am making a blunder.



Maximum height without the center column extended is only 4ft 4 in.

Other than that, it appears to be small, light yet steady. Probably not 
so good with the center column extended all the way, but plenty sturdy 
for a K10D and a medium zoom with the legs fully extended & the center 
column down.


I have a British tripod I bought used that's the same design as that 
weird Benbo, and I have that same ball head installed on it.


The ball head is a pretty good one for the price. I looked at B&H and 
the ball head by itself retails for about $60. So the price for the 
combination seems reasonable.


Actually, I paid closer to $100 for just the ball head, so the price is 
excellent. You'll get your money's worth if you can use a short, sturdy 
tripod.



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RE: Inverters

[John Sessoms]

From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Continuing the "Batteries" thread.

I'd like to get an inverter for the car to run a AA battery charger,
cell phone charger and the laptop.  I can't think of anything else I'd
plug into it at the moment.  The laptop's power supply indicates 65W.
My reasoning is that it would cost more to buy the appropriate DC
chargers for this stuff, and the inverter allows some flexibility.

While this is probably simpler than I'm making it out to be, I'm very
green on this subject.  Sine, modified-sine, continuous wattage, etc.
It's all very technical and I'm lazy at this stage in my life.  From
what I can tell I should be able to go to Target and get a $35
inverter.  Since this is almost certainly a modified sine wave
inverter, do you guys think it might cause a problem with the stuff
I'd like to plug into it?  Or would I be better off ordering something
a little better?

If it makes any difference, physical size doesn't really matter.  I
have lighter sockets in the dash, two in the center console and
another in the cargo area.  So I can pretty much put this thing where
I want.

Thanks a bunch!


The cheap one is probably a square wave inverter, which shouldn't bother 
your laptop in the least. But, you'd probably be better off getting the 
12v DC power cable that goes with your laptop instead of inverting and 
re-rectifying the power.


I have an external charger I bought along with an extra battery (NP-400 
??) for the BG-2 that goes with the K10D. That charger is AC/DC capable, 
and came with a cigarett lighter style plug.


My cell phone came with both AC and DC chargers as well.

Somewhere I have a 12v DC charger for AA NiMH batteries.

It didn't work all that well for what I wanted to use it for, but I 
expect that was because I couldn't get a true 12v DC from a HMMWV (24v 
system the Army wouldn't let me modify to add a 12v power plug outlet - 
they've since developed a kit to do just that.)


So really, everything you've mentioned should already run off of 12v DC, 
and you wouldn't need the inverter.


The biggest problem I've had running accessories off the lighter/power 
sockets is how the circuit is fused.


If the sockets are individually fused, you should be ok, although it's 
probably fused at 5A.


But if they're all on the same circuit, I think you're going to be 
blowing a lot of fuses, especially if you try to run them all at the 
same time off the inverter, which is going to suck some current for 
itself in addition to what it draws to power your accessories.


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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

Went there. Read the Intel Mac instructions. Seems doable. I'll give  
it a go tonight. Do you have phone support for those in PDT zones?   :-)


Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time


On Oct 24, 2008, at 15:11 , Scott Loveless wrote:


On 10/24/08, Joseph McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks, Doug. I just went and read the 'install' directions, and the
'troubleshooting' instructions for GnuCash for OSX, and my eyes  
crossed and
my head nodded half way through. As Godfrey has chastised me for my  
Scottish
frugality and my ADD prevents me from tackling anything more  
complex than

the settings on my K20, it looks like I just may have to re-enter the
whirlpool of Intuit to meet my needs.


You're not trying to compile it from source, are you?  Read this:
http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSXInstallation

apt-get is very easy to use.


What's apt-get?

Joe


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Re: the nanny state continues to grow ...

[John Sessoms]

From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Cotty wrote:


>> http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/10/safety.html
>>
>> I hate this stuff.

>
> I hate it when it becomes law - too over the top.


Yes, exactly. I have nothing against being safe and visible. But  
declaring it a law and threatening highway funding, etc, is a Big  
Brotherism that I find appalling.


Godfrey



Next thing you know, they'll make it mandatory for all the automobile 
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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 15:02 , Christine Aguila wrote:

In a book on Lightroom, the author made the claim that Lightroom is  
not very good for "professional quality sharpening."  The  
recommendation is to do rendering in Lightroom, then open image in  
PS for final sharpening.  This surprised me.  I'd be interested in  
knowing what list folks think.  The book is S. Kelby's Adobe PS  
Lightroom Book for Dig.  Photogs.  Cheers, Christine



Don't use Lightroom, but Aperture does automatic sharpening on RAW  
files. I guess it does a good job, because in my observation, trying  
to get something "sharper" using Aperture's tools does not seem to  
have much effect until you really push it, at which point it's  
developed 'edge' effects.


Anyone have any other views? I'd be glad to learn from you.

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Re: PS CS4

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On 10/24/08, Joseph McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Thanks, Doug. I just went and read the 'install' directions, and the
> 'troubleshooting' instructions for GnuCash for OSX, and my eyes crossed and
> my head nodded half way through. As Godfrey has chastised me for my Scottish
> frugality and my ADD prevents me from tackling anything more complex than
> the settings on my K20, it looks like I just may have to re-enter the
> whirlpool of Intuit to meet my needs.

You're not trying to compile it from source, are you?  Read this:
http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSXInstallation

apt-get is very easy to use.

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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

See, that makes so much sense. My personality is such that I would  
bitch to the floor person at Costco for 30 minutes about no standard  
version of TurboTax in an attempt to save $15 over an online download  
(if it is in fact available in that version for the Mac) based  
primarily on the principle of the thing, i.e.: windows vs Mac support  
by any vendor. Any of you Mac users try to get any of the free perks  
that Comcast offers for it's customers?  Windows only - no  
compensation for loss of value to Mac users - 16 years now.


Yes, I know it's unreasonable, especially for someone who HAS to have  
the latest Pentax bodies, but holds on dearly (unsuccessfully, of  
late) to his collection of older high dollar glass, and HAS to have  
the latest greatest Macs, yet whines about the older software not  
running on it.


I'll shut up now. Back to whatever you all were up to when I got up  
this morning!   :-)



Joseph McAllister
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On Oct 24, 2008, at 14:54 , PN Stenquist wrote:

I've been using TurboTax, on a Mac, for at least ten years. These  
days I simply download it from the Intuit website. The software gets  
better every year, and it makes tax time a breeze, even for someone  
like me who has lots of itemized deductions and a schedule C.



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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yee Ha!!!


Sounds like you have a neat arrangement @ the construction site - go 
get'em girl !



Hey, big thanks, Ken.  Your comment really cheered me up.  Cheers, Christine 




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Re: Yee Ha!!!

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From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Will you be posting a gallery soon?


Thanks, Derby.  Just a small one--maybe I'll put a 6 pic one together this 
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Re: PS CS4

[Christine Aguila]

In a book on Lightroom, the author made the claim that Lightroom is not very 
good for "professional quality sharpening."  The recommendation is to do 
rendering in Lightroom, then open image in PS for final sharpening.  This 
surprised me.  I'd be interested in knowing what list folks think.  The book 
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Re: PS CS4

[Christine Aguila]

Wow, never knew you could do this--course I'm no computer whiz.  Thanks for 
the tip, Brian.  Cheers, Christine



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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: PS CS4



One way to keep using old software on newer operating systems is to
install a virtual machine onto which you install the older OS and
associated software.

On my Ubuntu Linux installation I've installed Virtual Box in which I
run Windows 2000 and Photoshop 6.

It works well, provided your computer has sufficient memory to run 2 OSs
at the same time (my machine has 1GB) and provided you have the older
operating system available.


Cheers

Brian

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:54:49 -0700, "Joseph McAllister"
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It's been a long long time since I've filled up my hard drives with
LimeWire downloads that I hardly or never used, and I understand the
corporate need to perpetuate.

That being said, I get cranked every time I run into the invisible
wall created by the collusion of hardware and software producers,
causing you to HAVE to upgrade your software to run  on the newer
hardware, which you HAVE to buy because the software producer ceases
support for the older versions. Not a problem for the corporate worker-
bees, or government drones, but a substantial burden on the self
employed or retired.

Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker 4,
Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on current
equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no minor
upgrades to run on newer hardware, not even an upgrade 'path'.

The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3
years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken
2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there is no
upgrade path. I just want to use it to keep track of my checkbook and
charges. I don't need all the 100s of NEW features for tracking my
investments, graphing everything in seventeen different forms. Back in
the 90s they even got the banks to change to a new form of download
files so you couldn't use the older versions of Quicken at all.

So when I'm offered (as I am almost every day via email) the latest
greatest version of even $50 software, let alone $1400 stuff, for $.10
on the $1.00, it gives me pause for thought.

Joseph McAllister
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Re: PS CS4

[PN Stenquist]

I do quite a bit of compositing, cloning and even some filter effects.  
Much more so for my commercial work than for the hobby photography  
that I generally show here. I don't know if everything I do can be  
accomplished in Lightroom. Perhaps.


I catalog simply by assigning a date and keywords to every new folder.  
I've been using the Browser as my file search and retrieval system.  
I'll now use Bridge. I had CS3 on my work computer and found Bridge  
quite adequate for my purposes.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:59 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:

I just meant that since I can only afford one or the other at the  
moment, the nod had to go to CS4. I might like Lightroom as a  
conversion and rendering tool. I haven't spent enough time with it  
to be certain. But I do know that CS1 doesn't take advantage of the  
Intel box speed, I need PhotoShop for image processing beyond what  
Lightroom does, and I need InDesign. So for now, I'm still a  
PhotoShop and Adobe Raw Converter boy.



Photoshop, Bridge and Camera Raw constitutes a good image processing  
system. What do you use for image organization, cataloging and other  
management activities?


I am curious as to what it is that you do with Photoshop that is not  
possible in Lightroom 2. I know things like panorama stitching and  
compositing ... but I don't see too much of that in your posted  
photos. However, for an Apple Intel system, yes: you need CS3 or CS4  
as a minimum for good performance.


Peripheral to my image processing, I use PS CS2 for watermarking,  
borders, and other relatively light duty stuff. I also use it for  
designing layouts and other stuff like that. And yes, I could really  
use a copy of InDesign ...


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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 14:42 , Doug Franklin wrote:


Joseph McAllister wrote:
The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price  
every 3 years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My  
Quicken 2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and  
there is no upgrade path.


Since Joe is on the Mac, and his needs are really simple, maybe he  
should consider GnuCash or one of the other "open source" options?



Thanks, Doug. I just went and read the 'install' directions, and the  
'troubleshooting' instructions for GnuCash for OSX, and my eyes  
crossed and my head nodded half way through. As Godfrey has chastised  
me for my Scottish frugality and my ADD prevents me from tackling  
anything more complex than the settings on my K20, it looks like I  
just may have to re-enter the whirlpool of Intuit to meet my needs.


Rats!

Joseph McAllister
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Re: PS CS4

[PN Stenquist]

I've been using TurboTax, on a Mac, for at least ten years. These days  
I simply download it from the Intuit website. The software gets better  
every year, and it makes tax time a breeze, even for someone like me  
who has lots of itemized deductions and a schedule C.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:


Bob W. Wrote:

It's possible to get a lot of the big name software for nothing, or  
next to
nothing, quite legitimately. It's also fairly easy to get  
things for the student price by enrolling in a
course which gets you a proper student id.  If all that  
fails, then there is a lot of high-quality free software available,
such as OpenOffice which does a perfectly good job for most of the  
things that
MS Office does. Microsoft themselves give a lot of good stuff  
away.  Things like accountancy packages are available for  
nothing very easily, or are
very easy to deal with on spreadsheets. When I had my own business  
I did

everything in Excel. It helps to keep things simple.


That is partially true, Bob. With a bit of planning, I could enroll  
in a community college course for less than $100, if I was to  
purchase a high dollar software package. The rest of which you speak  
has to do with the 'evil empire', who, given their spotty support  
for the Mac platform over the years, is on my sh*t list forever.




Paul Sorenson wrote:

Maybe you should consider moving to a Windows box...we're still  
running Quicken 2000 on one of our XP machines.  > ;>} <


You are a facetious lout, sir...   :-)  More evil empire drivel...



Godfrey wrote:

If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why  
use quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do  
it with a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've  
migrated it through several different DB engines as things changed.  
It works fine.


Very little of what I do today with image processing was anywhere  
near as easy and productive to do in PS 4. Same for my writing and  
document creation comparing AppleWorks and Pages.


Because I'm a lazy dog, who doesn't want to be inputing every penny  
I spend into a database or spreadsheet. I like the idea of  
downloading the data from my bank(s), entering the minor cash  
purchases, then checking the balances and smiling at how clever that  
all is. And most of all, sucking it all back out into what used to  
be MacinTax, then TurboTax, to do my taxes every year.  I do use  
Pages now, though it surprises me all the time with crap built into  
it's templates that I don't want, and can't figure out how to get  
rid of. And I use Numbers as my spreadsheet engine - getting used to  
that as well, but have neither the expertise nor the patience to  
design and troubleshoot a personal financial package that would do  
my taxes as well.


On Oct 24, 2008, at 13:22 , John Francis wrote:

Quicken updates come for free if you buy TurboTax DeLuxe.
It's generally been worth updating - Intuit products can
be very touchy about working with software firewalls, NAT
routers, etc.  Until the most recent version we had to
disable our firewall and/or use direct dial-up access to
be able to talk to some parts of the Intuit site :-(


I stopped using TurboTax  after years of having a hard time finding  
a copy for the Mac. Now, you can buy an inexpensive copy for simple  
tax situations and no state (I live in a no income tax state) that  
runs on your PC, but if you want a Mac version, you must buy the  
Deluxe version, and not use 98% if it. So I have not been aware it  
would allow you to upgrade your Quicken, and frankly doubt very much  
if it would upgrade anything for the Mac, especially back to the  
2006 version. By the way, you cannot upgrade 2006 to 2008, and  
cannot buy (from Intuit) 2007, and the new 2009 is not available yet  
for the Mac (now called something like "Financial Freedom"). You  
think that sound like "support for the Mac platform"? I think Intuit  
is a tank-load of crap. You can tell them I said so.


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Re: PS CS4

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:59 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:

I just meant that since I can only afford one or the other at the  
moment, the nod had to go to CS4. I might like Lightroom as a  
conversion and rendering tool. I haven't spent enough time with it  
to be certain. But I do know that CS1 doesn't take advantage of the  
Intel box speed, I need PhotoShop for image processing beyond what  
Lightroom does, and I need InDesign. So for now, I'm still a  
PhotoShop and Adobe Raw Converter boy.



Photoshop, Bridge and Camera Raw constitutes a good image processing  
system. What do you use for image organization, cataloging and other  
management activities?


I am curious as to what it is that you do with Photoshop that is not  
possible in Lightroom 2. I know things like panorama stitching and  
compositing ... but I don't see too much of that in your posted  
photos. However, for an Apple Intel system, yes: you need CS3 or CS4  
as a minimum for good performance.


Peripheral to my image processing, I use PS CS2 for watermarking,  
borders, and other relatively light duty stuff. I also use it for  
designing layouts and other stuff like that. And yes, I could really  
use a copy of InDesign ...


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Re: PS CS4

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why  
use quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do  
it with a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've  
migrated it through several different DB engines as things changed.  
It works fine.


Very little of what I do today with image processing was anywhere  
near as easy and productive to do in PS 4. Same for my writing and  
document creation comparing AppleWorks and Pages.


Because I'm a lazy dog, who doesn't want to be inputing every penny  
I spend into a database or spreadsheet. I like the idea of  
downloading the data from my bank(s), entering the minor cash  
purchases, then checking the balances and smiling at how clever that  
all is. And most of all, sucking it all back out into what used to  
be MacinTax, then TurboTax, to do my taxes every year.  I do use  
Pages now, though it surprises me all the time with crap built into  
it's templates that I don't want, and can't figure out how to get  
rid of. And I use Numbers as my spreadsheet engine - getting used to  
that as well, but have neither the expertise nor the patience to  
design and troubleshoot a personal financial package that would do  
my taxes as well.


1: You pay for your conveniences. Then complain. Inputting my daily  
receipts and expenditures takes a few minutes a day and costs me  
nothing.


2: Design your own templates for Pages that have what you want in  
them. Everything you need to know is in the built in Help, including  
tutorial videos on how to do things, never mind the automatic pointers  
to online help and discussion groups.


You do what you want to do. Such it is.

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Re: PS CS4

[Doug Franklin]

Paul Sorenson wrote:
Maybe you should consider moving to a Windows box...we're still running 
Quicken 2000 on one of our XP machines.  > ;>} <



Joseph McAllister wrote:

The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3 
years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken 
2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there is no 
upgrade path. 


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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

Probably the best idea of them all. I have a license to install  
Parallels on my iMac. It's already working on my MacBook. And I have a  
"borrowed" copy of windows. But I've never heard of anyone running Mac  
OS 9.2.2 in it, nor do I have the windows versions of Quicken!  I do  
have a desktop G4 and a laptop G3 on which I could set up OSX that  
would still run Classic (OS-9) and still communicate on the network  
with my iMac. Good project before the end of the year. Thanks.


Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time

On Oct 24, 2008, at 14:15 , Brian Walters wrote:


One way to keep using old software on newer operating systems is to
install a virtual machine onto which you install the older OS and
associated software.

On my Ubuntu Linux installation I've installed Virtual Box in which I
run Windows 2000 and Photoshop 6.

It works well, provided your computer has sufficient memory to run 2  
OSs

at the same time (my machine has 1GB) and provided you have the older
operating system available.



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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

Bob W. Wrote:

It's possible to get a lot of the big name software for nothing, or  
next to
nothing, quite legitimately. It's also fairly easy to get  
things for the student price by enrolling in a
course which gets you a proper student id.  If all that  
fails, then there is a lot of high-quality free software available,
such as OpenOffice which does a perfectly good job for most of the  
things that
MS Office does. Microsoft themselves give a lot of good stuff  
away.  Things like accountancy packages are available for  
nothing very easily, or are
very easy to deal with on spreadsheets. When I had my own business I  
did

everything in Excel. It helps to keep things simple.


That is partially true, Bob. With a bit of planning, I could enroll in  
a community college course for less than $100, if I was to purchase a  
high dollar software package. The rest of which you speak has to do  
with the 'evil empire', who, given their spotty support for the Mac  
platform over the years, is on my sh*t list forever.




Paul Sorenson wrote:

Maybe you should consider moving to a Windows box...we're still  
running Quicken 2000 on one of our XP machines.  > ;>} <


You are a facetious lout, sir...   :-)  More evil empire drivel...



Godfrey wrote:

If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why  
use quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do it  
with a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've  
migrated it through several different DB engines as things changed.  
It works fine.


Very little of what I do today with image processing was anywhere  
near as easy and productive to do in PS 4. Same for my writing and  
document creation comparing AppleWorks and Pages.


Because I'm a lazy dog, who doesn't want to be inputing every penny I  
spend into a database or spreadsheet. I like the idea of downloading  
the data from my bank(s), entering the minor cash purchases, then  
checking the balances and smiling at how clever that all is. And most  
of all, sucking it all back out into what used to be MacinTax, then  
TurboTax, to do my taxes every year.  I do use Pages now, though it  
surprises me all the time with crap built into it's templates that I  
don't want, and can't figure out how to get rid of. And I use Numbers  
as my spreadsheet engine - getting used to that as well, but have  
neither the expertise nor the patience to design and troubleshoot a  
personal financial package that would do my taxes as well.


On Oct 24, 2008, at 13:22 , John Francis wrote:

Quicken updates come for free if you buy TurboTax DeLuxe.
It's generally been worth updating - Intuit products can
be very touchy about working with software firewalls, NAT
routers, etc.  Until the most recent version we had to
disable our firewall and/or use direct dial-up access to
be able to talk to some parts of the Intuit site :-(


I stopped using TurboTax  after years of having a hard time finding a  
copy for the Mac. Now, you can buy an inexpensive copy for simple tax  
situations and no state (I live in a no income tax state) that runs on  
your PC, but if you want a Mac version, you must buy the Deluxe  
version, and not use 98% if it. So I have not been aware it would  
allow you to upgrade your Quicken, and frankly doubt very much if it  
would upgrade anything for the Mac, especially back to the 2006  
version. By the way, you cannot upgrade 2006 to 2008, and cannot buy  
(from Intuit) 2007, and the new 2009 is not available yet for the Mac  
(now called something like "Financial Freedom"). You think that sound  
like "support for the Mac platform"? I think Intuit is a tank-load of  
crap. You can tell them I said so.


Joseph McAllister
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Re: Inverters

[Cotty]

On 24/10/08, Mat Maessen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Solid-state inverters tend not to work well on anything with more than
>a small electric motor in it. So angle grinding is probably out unless
>you get a generator. :-)



Thems fightin' words.

I am going to try my angle grinder this weekend. 650 watts of pure metal
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Re: PS CS4

[Brian Walters]

One way to keep using old software on newer operating systems is to
install a virtual machine onto which you install the older OS and
associated software.

On my Ubuntu Linux installation I've installed Virtual Box in which I
run Windows 2000 and Photoshop 6.

It works well, provided your computer has sufficient memory to run 2 OSs
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:54:49 -0700, "Joseph McAllister"
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> It's been a long long time since I've filled up my hard drives with  
> LimeWire downloads that I hardly or never used, and I understand the  
> corporate need to perpetuate.
> 
> That being said, I get cranked every time I run into the invisible  
> wall created by the collusion of hardware and software producers,  
> causing you to HAVE to upgrade your software to run  on the newer  
> hardware, which you HAVE to buy because the software producer ceases  
> support for the older versions. Not a problem for the corporate worker- 
> bees, or government drones, but a substantial burden on the self  
> employed or retired.
> 
> Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker 4,  
> Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on current  
> equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no minor  
> upgrades to run on newer hardware, not even an upgrade 'path'.
> 
> The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3  
> years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken  
> 2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there is no  
> upgrade path. I just want to use it to keep track of my checkbook and  
> charges. I don't need all the 100s of NEW features for tracking my  
> investments, graphing everything in seventeen different forms. Back in  
> the 90s they even got the banks to change to a new form of download  
> files so you couldn't use the older versions of Quicken at all.
> 
> So when I'm offered (as I am almost every day via email) the latest  
> greatest version of even $50 software, let alone $1400 stuff, for $.10  
> on the $1.00, it gives me pause for thought.
> 
> Joseph McAllister
> Lots of gear, not much time
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Re: PESO: Picker's Palace

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Took the K20D for a spin in the Sierra foothills today. Went through the 
> small settlement of Rough and Ready which was established in 1849 in the 
> Mother Load; ground zero of the '49 gold rush.
> Appears "Picker's Palace" has nothing directly to do with the nostrils, but, 
> as the banner states, "Fruitjar Pickers". I gather guitars are involved.

I like it.  I agree with you WRT the mailboxes - they certainly
emphasize the rural setting.  Those old buildings with the facades
look like something out of an old western.

Nice shot!

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Re: PESO: Empire Pump

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same feverish drive looking for targets for the new "20".
> This was taken near Grass Valley, CA at the played out Empire Gold Mine.
> Only memorialized for its weathered character.
> Being able to closely examine the RAW file, revealing the effects of time and 
> the elements, is my excuse for taking this.

Not that I'm an aficionado of old gas pumps, but I've never seen one
like that before.  That's pretty cool.

The photo's terrific - love the colours!

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Re: Geso Photos from Thanksgiving weekend in Madawaska

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 7:39 AM, PN Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What Christine said. A couple of the IR shots are stunning. But I enjoyed
> all these. Great seeing your family. Thanks for sharing.

I'm late looking at these, but I agree with Paul and Christine!

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Re: PS CS4

[John Francis]

Quicken updates come for free if you buy TurboTax DeLuxe.
It's generally been worth updating - Intuit products can
be very touchy about working with software firewalls, NAT
routers, etc.  Until the most recent version we had to
disable our firewall and/or use direct dial-up access to
be able to talk to some parts of the Intuit site :-(


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:26:26PM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Maybe you should consider moving to a Windows box...we're still running  
> Quicken 2000 on one of our XP machines.  > ;>} <
>
> -p
>
> Joseph McAllister wrote:
>
>> The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3  
>> years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken 2006 
>> will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there is no upgrade  
>> path. 
>
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Re: tripod advice (again)

[Carlos Royo]

Subash escribió:


then it shouldn't be a problem on motored bike ;-). that, with a
486RC2, was another option i was thinking of. but there seems to be so
many 190s around (XDB3, CXPro4 and so on) it had/has me a little
confused. but thanks Bob, i'll do a little more homework..



Hi Subash:

I use a 190 with a 486RC2 ballhead. It is a great combo, but it isn't
exactly lightweight, at least in my view. It is very solid and doesn't
weight a lot, but there are probably better options for a travel tripod,
as you aren't going to use heavy lenses.

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Re: OT PESO - Suburban Lightshow

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:46 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Took this one a couple of hours ago with the non Pentax camera (~105kb):
>
> 
>
> It's going to be a wild & woolly night
>

The colours are amazing!

Is that what they looked like "in real life"?

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Re: PESO - Forever?

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since you can't straighten it, we'll all tilt our monitors when we
> look at it .  Nice shot BTW...

Thanks, Bruce.  And thanks to everyone else who commented!

Never leave the house without a camera!

;-)

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Re: PS CS4

[PN Stenquist]

I just meant that since I can only afford one or the other at the  
moment, the nod had to go to CS4. I might like Lightroom as a  
conversion and rendering tool. I haven't spent enough time with it to  
be certain. But I do know that CS1 doesn't take advantage of the Intel  
box speed, I need PhotoShop for image processing beyond what Lightroom  
does, and I need InDesign. So for now, I'm still a PhotoShop and Adobe  
Raw Converter boy.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:03 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:

I do a lot of work beyond conversion and rendering, so I believe PS  
is better suited to my workflow than Lightroom.


I'm not entirely sure I understand what you meant, Paul. What do you  
mean by "beyond conversion and rendering"? I don't understand what  
distinction you're making there.


With respect to my image processing, Lightroom does the heavy  
lifting along with the image management and organizational work.  
Photoshop does in image processing what LR cannot. My workflow uses  
both applications integrated together seamlessly.


I use Photoshop for a lot of other things too, only peripherally  
associated with image processing needs, so I wouldn't be without it.  
I don't know that I need the latest version ... yet ... simply  
because I'm still running on Apple PowerPC and CS2 is doing what I  
need for the moment. For an Apple Intel system, I would have placed  
the order two weeks ago. ;-)


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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[Derby Chang]

Christine Aguila wrote:
Just printed out my first 13" x 19" BW on Ultra Premium Matte.  Yee 
Ha!!! If I do say so myself, it looks so cool.  This printing is so 
much fun. Here's the photo:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8080119&size=lg

For the past couple of months, I've been photographing the 
construction that is taking place at my work.  We're getting a 6-7 
story indoor parking building and a beautiful new student services 
building.   The architectural renderings are now on exhibit in the 
lobby of our main campus building & about 15 of my BWs will also be on 
exhibit as soon as the framing is done. During the next 18 months, 
we'll be rotating photos that tell the story and progression of the 
construction.


I have full access to the construction site and  have my own hard hat, 
which I must obviously wear.  I had to read a safety manual & have to 
follow the safety rules.  When I can shoot, I call down, and a young 
(and usually cute :-)) assistant foreman lets me on site, then escorts 
me around.  He usually says things like, "Christine, watch out for 
that boulder ahead of you," (like when I'm walking & have my nose 
behind the camera) or I have him explain to me what it is I'm seeing, 
since I know absolutely nothing about construction, though I am 
learning, and it's very interesting.  I've always admired what man can 
build.


I'm using the K20D with the DA 16-45mm.  Since the DA is F4, I put it 
on the K20, since that camera has really good High ISO quality if I 
need it.  The DA* 50-135mm is on the K10D, but today, when I shot the 
crusher grinding up huge boulders, I put the DA* on the K20D.  I 
didn't feel like doing any wide angle shots.  Anyway, I just felt like 
letting a Yee Ha loose :-).  Thanks for listening, if you, in fact, 
did ;-).


Cheers, Christine






Nice one, Christine. Will you be posting a gallery soon?

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Re: GESO - Cape May & Wildwood, NJ

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An album from our recent vacation to Cape May and Wildwood, New Jersey:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/sets/72157607770191688/
>
> I rented a DA*300/4 from  for the trip,
> with an eye toward buying it next summer.  Good service from the
> company, and I found it to be an outstanding lens.  Sharp and
> contrasty from f/4, with no noticeable CA or purple fringing.
>
> My K10D have me some AF trouble, mostly trying to shoot birds in
> flight.  If the bird ever slipped off the AF sensor, and the camera
> only "saw" clear blue sky, it would send the lens to the close-focus
> limit, and stay there (with the AF hexagon blinking).  Releasing and
> re-pressing the shutter wouldn't budge it, nor would switching between
> AF.C and AF.S, nor would turning the camera off and back on.  I had to
> switch to MF, move the lens focus out, and then switch back to AF.  I
> was able to reproduce this problem on the DA*300, my Tamron 70-300,
> and my DA 18-55.  Now that I'm back home, and thinking of sending the
> camera in for service, I can't reproduce it any more.  :-/

Late commenting, but it's a great album!

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RE: tripod advice (again)

[John Celio]

>> The "Velbon Ultra Luxi F" is the travel tripod I really want. 

> Did you ever travel with it?

I didn't, since I've never been in a position to be able to afford a
second tripod (my current tripod is a Velbon El Carmagne 640, another
very good model. Velbon seems to be underrated most of the time.),
however I did hear back from a few people I sold it to, and they seemed
very pleased with it.  One guy took it up into the Sierra Nevada range
with him, and he didn't say anything about having problems with it.

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RE: tripod advice (again)

[Bob W]

Did you ever travel with it? It's one thing for it to be good in the shop, quite
another for it to be good when you're on top of a Himalaya waiting for the storm
to clear! (not that I've ever been in that situation)


> 
> The "Velbon Ultra Luxi F" is the travel tripod I really want.  Back when
> I worked at Reed's, I got to use a lot of tripods, and this one was the
> best travel tripod I ever tried.  It's small when folded up but just as
> tall as a regular tripod when extended.  It's very light and yet
> well-built.  The head is good for its size, and can be replaced with any
> other head, I believe.  The center column can be truncated for
> low-to-the-ground shooting, as well as flipped if you want the camera
> upside down.  The legs use a twist-lock mechanism, making them VERY
> quick to extend and retract.  The legs also can be positioned in a wide
> range of angles, to accommodate the terrain.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00022UE8O
> 
> Sorry to be so verbose about it, but I really do think it's a great
> tripod.
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Re: PESO: radical experience

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some more industrial nights and magic from Liège:
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/855640/display/14723576
>
> As always... :-)

Terrific shot.

As always...

;-)

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Re: PS CS4

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:03 PM, PN Stenquist wrote:

I do a lot of work beyond conversion and rendering, so I believe PS  
is better suited to my workflow than Lightroom.


I'm not entirely sure I understand what you meant, Paul. What do you  
mean by "beyond conversion and rendering"? I don't understand what  
distinction you're making there.


With respect to my image processing, Lightroom does the heavy lifting  
along with the image management and organizational work. Photoshop  
does in image processing what LR cannot. My workflow uses both  
applications integrated together seamlessly.


I use Photoshop for a lot of other things too, only peripherally  
associated with image processing needs, so I wouldn't be without it. I  
don't know that I need the latest version ... yet ... simply because  
I'm still running on Apple PowerPC and CS2 is doing what I need for  
the moment. For an Apple Intel system, I would have placed the order  
two weeks ago. ;-)


Godfrey

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Re: PS CS4

[Paul Sorenson]

Maybe you should consider moving to a Windows box...we're still running 
Quicken 2000 on one of our XP machines.  > ;>} <


-p

Joseph McAllister wrote:

The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3 
years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken 2006 
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RE: tripod advice (again)

[John Celio]

The "Velbon Ultra Luxi F" is the travel tripod I really want.  Back when
I worked at Reed's, I got to use a lot of tripods, and this one was the
best travel tripod I ever tried.  It's small when folded up but just as
tall as a regular tripod when extended.  It's very light and yet
well-built.  The head is good for its size, and can be replaced with any
other head, I believe.  The center column can be truncated for
low-to-the-ground shooting, as well as flipped if you want the camera
upside down.  The legs use a twist-lock mechanism, making them VERY
quick to extend and retract.  The legs also can be positioned in a wide
range of angles, to accommodate the terrain.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00022UE8O

Sorry to be so verbose about it, but I really do think it's a great
tripod.

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RE: PS CS4

[Bob W]

It's possible to get a lot of the big name software for nothing, or next to
nothing, quite legitimately. I got the entire Office 2003 suite for less than
US$20- under the Home Use Programme which my employer subscribed to. I would
never pay the full price for something like that, and Microsoft seem to
understand that, so they make the best of it with something like home use. 

It's also fairly easy to get things for the student price by enrolling in a
course which gets you a proper student id. The Open University here offers a
number of courses quite cheaply for that.

If all that fails, then there is a lot of high-quality free software available,
such as OpenOffice which does a perfectly good job for most of the things that
MS Office does. Microsoft themselves give a lot of good stuff away.

Some products, though, have no cheap or free parallel unfortunately. Lightroom
is one of those, although I happen to think it's very fairly priced considering
its market. I'm still in the process of recovering my system after having to
reinstall the operating system, so I've just been forced to upgrade to Lightroom
2 earlier than I might have planned, but that's just one of my punishments for
stuffing my OS.

Things like accountancy packages are available for nothing very easily, or are
very easy to deal with on spreadsheets. When I had my own business I did
everything in Excel. It helps to keep things simple.

Bob

> 
> It's been a long long time since I've filled up my hard drives with
> LimeWire downloads that I hardly or never used, and I understand the
> corporate need to perpetuate.
> 
> That being said, I get cranked every time I run into the invisible
> wall created by the collusion of hardware and software producers,
> causing you to HAVE to upgrade your software to run  on the newer
> hardware, which you HAVE to buy because the software producer ceases
> support for the older versions. Not a problem for the corporate worker-
> bees, or government drones, but a substantial burden on the self
> employed or retired.
> 
> Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker 4,
> Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on current
> equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no minor
> upgrades to run on newer hardware, not even an upgrade 'path'.
> 
> The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3
> years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken
> 2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there is no
> upgrade path. I just want to use it to keep track of my checkbook and
> charges. I don't need all the 100s of NEW features for tracking my
> investments, graphing everything in seventeen different forms. Back in
> the 90s they even got the banks to change to a new form of download
> files so you couldn't use the older versions of Quicken at all.
> 
> So when I'm offered (as I am almost every day via email) the latest
> greatest version of even $50 software, let alone $1400 stuff, for $.10
> on the $1.00, it gives me pause for thought.
> 
> Joseph McAllister
> Lots of gear, not much time
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Re: PS CS4

[PN Stenquist]

The mailman just dropped CS4 Design Suite on my doorstep. I'm looking  
forward to giving it a whirl.


I do a lot of work beyond conversion and rendering, so I believe PS is  
better suited to my workflow than Lightroom.

Paul
On Oct 24, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why  
use quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do it  
with a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've  
migrated it through several different DB engines as things changed.  
It works fine.


Very little of what I do today with image processing was anywhere  
near as easy and productive to do in PS 4. Same for my writing and  
document creation comparing AppleWorks and Pages.


G



On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

It's been a long long time since I've filled up my hard drives with  
LimeWire downloads that I hardly or never used, and I understand  
the corporate need to perpetuate.


That being said, I get cranked every time I run into the invisible  
wall created by the collusion of hardware and software producers,  
causing you to HAVE to upgrade your software to run  on the newer  
hardware, which you HAVE to buy because the software producer  
ceases support for the older versions. Not a problem for the  
corporate worker-bees, or government drones, but a substantial  
burden on the self employed or retired.


Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker  
4, Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on  
current equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no  
minor upgrades to run on newer hardware, not even an upgrade 'path'.


The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every  
3 years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My  
Quicken 2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there  
is no upgrade path. I just want to use it to keep track of my  
checkbook and charges. I don't need all the 100s of NEW features  
for tracking my investments, graphing everything in seventeen  
different forms. Back in the 90s they even got the banks to change  
to a new form of download files so you couldn't use the older  
versions of Quicken at all.


So when I'm offered (as I am almost every day via email) the latest  
greatest version of even $50 software, let alone $1400 stuff, for $. 
10 on the $1.00, it gives me pause for thought.


Joseph McAllister
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Re: OT: One Dollar Camera

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> But if I tried that Downunder it would have to be a $5 camera.  $1
> banknotes haven't been in circulation here for over a decade.

Same thing in Canada.  $1 and $2 denominations have been coins for a
long long time.

Pretty amazing origami!

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Re: PS CS4

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If you just want to keep track of your checkbook and charges, why use  
quicken at all? Any simple database program can do that. I do it with  
a simple database I made a dozen or more years ago. I've migrated it  
through several different DB engines as things changed. It works fine.


Very little of what I do today with image processing was anywhere near  
as easy and productive to do in PS 4. Same for my writing and document  
creation comparing AppleWorks and Pages.


G



On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

It's been a long long time since I've filled up my hard drives with  
LimeWire downloads that I hardly or never used, and I understand the  
corporate need to perpetuate.


That being said, I get cranked every time I run into the invisible  
wall created by the collusion of hardware and software producers,  
causing you to HAVE to upgrade your software to run  on the newer  
hardware, which you HAVE to buy because the software producer ceases  
support for the older versions. Not a problem for the corporate  
worker-bees, or government drones, but a substantial burden on the  
self employed or retired.


Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker 4,  
Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on current  
equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no minor  
upgrades to run on newer hardware, not even an upgrade 'path'.


The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every  
3 years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken  
2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there is no  
upgrade path. I just want to use it to keep track of my checkbook  
and charges. I don't need all the 100s of NEW features for tracking  
my investments, graphing everything in seventeen different forms.  
Back in the 90s they even got the banks to change to a new form of  
download files so you couldn't use the older versions of Quicken at  
all.


So when I'm offered (as I am almost every day via email) the latest  
greatest version of even $50 software, let alone $1400 stuff, for $. 
10 on the $1.00, it gives me pause for thought.


Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time



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Re: Peso: The Latest in Handheld Devices

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://chemistry.wlu.edu/~desjardins/
>
> My daughter and her 3 roommates found this abandoned kitten 6 weeks
> ago.  The mother probably left him since he was too small, and he's only
> survived because four human beings has catered to his every whim.  The
> vet says he is perfectly healthy but stunted.  Seeing them all in
> action, this tiny creature again demonstrates that "cute" is a Darwinian
> survival skill.

That's about the cutest thing I've ever seen.  Thanks for a Friday smile, Steve!

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Re: tripod advice (again)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Subash wrote:


thanks Godfrey for the detailed reply. that *is* much above what i can
afford right now. tentatively planning to go with the manfrotto  
190XDB3

stand and the 486RC2 head for now.i still have a week before i hand in
the cash so i'll keep looking around.


You're welcome.

I prefer the 190XB vs the 190XDB legs ... there's a difference in the  
leg locks. The XB's are a bit faster to operate.


G

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RE: Peso: The Latest in Handheld Devices

[Bob W]

> 
> FYI, the new link (thanks to Charles)
> 
> http://chemistry.wlu.edu/~desjardins/francois.jpg
> 

Where do you put the batteries?

Bob


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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[Ken Waller]

Sounds like you have a neat arrangement @ the construction site - go get'em 
girl !


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- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Yee Ha!!!


Just printed out my first 13" x 19" BW on Ultra Premium Matte.  Yee Ha!!! 
If I do say so myself, it looks so cool.  This printing is so much fun. 
Here's the photo:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8080119&size=lg

For the past couple of months, I've been photographing the construction 
that is taking place at my work.  We're getting a 6-7 story indoor parking 
building and a beautiful new student services building.   The 
architectural renderings are now on exhibit in the lobby of our main 
campus building & about 15 of my BWs will also be on exhibit as soon as 
the framing is done. During the next 18 months, we'll be rotating photos 
that tell the story and progression of the construction.


I have full access to the construction site and  have my own hard hat, 
which I must obviously wear.  I had to read a safety manual & have to 
follow the safety rules.  When I can shoot, I call down, and a young (and 
usually cute :-)) assistant foreman lets me on site, then escorts me 
around.  He usually says things like, "Christine, watch out for that 
boulder ahead of you," (like when I'm walking & have my nose behind the 
camera) or I have him explain to me what it is I'm seeing, since I know 
absolutely nothing about construction, though I am learning, and it's very 
interesting.  I've always admired what man can build.


I'm using the K20D with the DA 16-45mm.  Since the DA is F4, I put it on 
the K20, since that camera has really good High ISO quality if I need it. 
The DA* 50-135mm is on the K10D, but today, when I shot the crusher 
grinding up huge boulders, I put the DA* on the K20D.  I didn't feel like 
doing any wide angle shots.  Anyway, I just felt like letting a Yee Ha 
loose :-).  Thanks for listening, if you, in fact, did ;-).


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Re: PS CS4

[Subash]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:54:49 -0700
Joseph McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker 4,  
> Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on current  
> equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no minor  
> upgrades to run on newer hardware, not even an upgrade 'path'.

> So when I'm offered (as I am almost every day via email) the latest  
> greatest version of even $50 software, let alone $1400 stuff, for
> $.10 on the $1.00, it gives me pause for thought.

funnily enough, same thing happens with linux too. i use slackware
(with my own custom-rolled kernel) and am eagerly awaiting slack13,
which has the KDE 4.1. i am beginning to wonder if my 2004 compaq
presario laptop can take that load 

of course, there are plenty other, rather important differences
too.. :-))

regards, subash

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Re: PESO - Crossing College

[Boris Liberman]

Looks superb on my handtop screen.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:50 PM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The shadows are lengthening, even at mid-day:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/10/crossing-college.html
>
> It's simple, but I still like it.  Comment if you feel compelled to.
>
> Thanks,
> frank
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Re: PESO - Crossing College

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Frank:  That's fun.  You've got some great framing there with the arm 
positions of the two folks on either end.  Body positions are subtle, but 
speak volumes.  That person in the middle with the hat is great.  Nice one, 
Frank.  Cheers, Christine



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The shadows are lengthening, even at mid-day:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/10/crossing-college.html

It's simple, but I still like it.  Comment if you feel compelled to.

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Re: PS CS4

[Joseph McAllister]

It's been a long long time since I've filled up my hard drives with  
LimeWire downloads that I hardly or never used, and I understand the  
corporate need to perpetuate.


That being said, I get cranked every time I run into the invisible  
wall created by the collusion of hardware and software producers,  
causing you to HAVE to upgrade your software to run  on the newer  
hardware, which you HAVE to buy because the software producer ceases  
support for the older versions. Not a problem for the corporate worker- 
bees, or government drones, but a substantial burden on the self  
employed or retired.


Most of what I do today I could still be doing in PS 4, Pagemaker 4,  
Quicken 2000, and AppleWorks. But none of those will run on current  
equipment, or are no longer around nor have any support, no minor  
upgrades to run on newer hardware, not even an upgrade 'path'.


The worst is Quicken, who forces you to upgrade at full price every 3  
years, as they roll off support for the older versions. My Quicken  
2006 will not run on my iMac under 10.4 or later, and there is no  
upgrade path. I just want to use it to keep track of my checkbook and  
charges. I don't need all the 100s of NEW features for tracking my  
investments, graphing everything in seventeen different forms. Back in  
the 90s they even got the banks to change to a new form of download  
files so you couldn't use the older versions of Quicken at all.


So when I'm offered (as I am almost every day via email) the latest  
greatest version of even $50 software, let alone $1400 stuff, for $.10  
on the $1.00, it gives me pause for thought.


Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time

On Oct 24, 2008, at 06:37 , Scott Loveless wrote:


Obviously, my tongue-in-cheek references were taken a bit too
seriously.  My apologies for not adding enough smilies.

On 10/24/08, PN Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree. Adobe has been the backbone of the graphic arts and  
advertising
business since the early nineties. I can't imagine where we would  
have been
today without the work Adobe has done. That idea that no one should  
have to
pay for software is the result of twisted thinking and hopeless  
nostalgia.

Paul


On Oct 23, 2008, at 11:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:




What he means to say is that all those programs are likely  
available

online

now for the sum of $0.0 if you're willing to download the torrent

files and
connect to seeds that are certainly out there on the world wide  
web
providing the software to anyone who asks without being  
encumbered by

the

pesky licensing and ownership process.

CW
proponent of torrents but not willing to outright steal  
thousands of

dollars worth of software, yet.



I have absolutely no objection to stealing from Adobe or Microsoft.
Fortunately, I don't really use their software anymore, so it's  
not an

issue.  ;)



Stealing is stealing. You can't say that Microsoft and Adobe are  
evil if

you are a thief.


All my software is obtained legally. I get good deals by making
connections and being polite. I also get excellent support from  
Adobe. I

would not even consider stealing from them.


G





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PESO - Crossing College

[frank theriault]

The shadows are lengthening, even at mid-day:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/10/crossing-college.html

It's simple, but I still like it.  Comment if you feel compelled to.

Thanks,
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Re: tripod advice (again)

[Subash]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:39:05 -0700
Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As a complete setup, it's quite a bit more than your $200 price
> point, unfortunately. The head cost me $270 and the legs another
> $270. But the quality, precision, and sturdiness is well worth it,
> they'ver very light; I think they'll last a very very long time.
> 
> For that $200 price point, you can get the Manfrotto 190XB legs
> fitted with one or another of the mini or midi Manfrotto ballheads.
> And upgrade the head later when you can afford to.

thanks Godfrey for the detailed reply. that *is* much above what i can
afford right now. tentatively planning to go with the manfrotto 190XDB3
stand and the 486RC2 head for now.i still have a week before i hand in
the cash so i'll keep looking around. 

regards, subash

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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
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That's very cool, Christine.  I've only had a couple of digital prints
done, and I don't think any larger than 11x14.  It's something I miss
from film days, getting back prints from the lab.

That's a lovely photo - it must look glorious all blowed up!



Thanks, Frank.  Also, I accidently deleted your Forever PESO.  Sorry about 
that.  Just wanted to say fun shot, made me giggle, good eye/catch, and best 
to the family ;-).


Cheers, Christine 




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Re: PESO -- Fall Stairs

[Christine Aguila]

What Frank said, Peter.  Nice one.  Cheers, Christine


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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:02 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO%20--%20fallstairs.html

Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax A 24mm f2.8




That's quite beautiful, in an autumnal sort of way (meaning that for
me, autumn is always a bit sad, even if it can be beautiful).




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Re: single light portraits

[Joseph McAllister]

On Oct 23, 2008, at 23:12 , William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: single light portraits



Heya!

Anyone have any single light portraits to share?  Also, what are you
opinions are using a single light?


I believe everything on this page was done with a single beauty dish.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/lyndsaye/lyndsaye1.html

I like single light portraiture, I suppose because I'm just not  
competent to use more than that..


William Robb



With two shadows?

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Re: PESO -- Fall Stairs

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On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:02 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO%20--%20fallstairs.html
>
> Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax A 24mm f2.8
>
>

That's quite beautiful, in an autumnal sort of way (meaning that for
me, autumn is always a bit sad, even if it can be beautiful).

cheers,
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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Christine  Aguila
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just printed out my first 13" x 19" BW on Ultra Premium Matte.  Yee Ha!!! If
> I do say so myself, it looks so cool.  This printing is so much fun. Here's
> the photo:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8080119&size=lg
>
> For the past couple of months, I've been photographing the construction that
> is taking place at my work.  We're getting a 6-7 story indoor parking
> building and a beautiful new student services building.   The architectural
> renderings are now on exhibit in the lobby of our main campus building &
> about 15 of my BWs will also be on exhibit as soon as the framing is done.
> During the next 18 months, we'll be rotating photos that tell the story and
> progression of the construction.
>
> I have full access to the construction site and  have my own hard hat, which
> I must obviously wear.  I had to read a safety manual & have to follow the
> safety rules.  When I can shoot, I call down, and a young (and usually cute
> :-)) assistant foreman lets me on site, then escorts me around.  He usually
> says things like, "Christine, watch out for that boulder ahead of you,"
> (like when I'm walking & have my nose behind the camera) or I have him
> explain to me what it is I'm seeing, since I know absolutely nothing about
> construction, though I am learning, and it's very interesting.  I've always
> admired what man can build.
>
> I'm using the K20D with the DA 16-45mm.  Since the DA is F4, I put it on the
> K20, since that camera has really good High ISO quality if I need it.  The
> DA* 50-135mm is on the K10D, but today, when I shot the crusher grinding up
> huge boulders, I put the DA* on the K20D.  I didn't feel like doing any wide
> angle shots.  Anyway, I just felt like letting a Yee Ha loose :-).  Thanks
> for listening, if you, in fact, did ;-).
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
>

That's very cool, Christine.  I've only had a couple of digital prints
done, and I don't think any larger than 11x14.  It's something I miss
from film days, getting back prints from the lab.

That's a lovely photo - it must look glorious all blowed up!

;-)

cheers,
frank


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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Cotty.  It'll be interesting to see how this project goes, since I 
know so little about my subject--construction (lol), and I've never had the 
opportunity to commit to a formal project like this--I've never been 
accountable to anyone's tastes and expectations in such a public way.  The 
curator is also a photographer (she's done some brilliant infrared 
exhibits), so I get to learn a lot from her about shooting for an 
exhibit--that is, as I'm walking about the site, my mind's eye is seeing-at 
the speed of nano-seconds- the image, the print, then  the print on the 
wall.  It's different:  usually I just look for cool things to shoot and 
hope my husband and family will like what I show them (lol). :-)


Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: Yee Ha!!!



On 23/10/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:


Just printed out my first 13" x 19" BW on Ultra Premium Matte.  Yee Ha!!!
If I do say so myself, it looks so cool.  This printing is so much fun.
Here's the photo:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8080119&size=lg



Lovely shot Christine.

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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Yee Ha!!!


I know the feeling, Christine. The rush of getting a pleasing print, 
especially in 13x19, has to be experienced to be appreciated.

Actually holding a glorious print in your hand is the final satisfaction.



Thanks, Jack, and how right your are.  This is so much fun.  Cheers, 
Christine 




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Re: Yee Ha!!!

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
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I'd like to try a big print for 1 or 2 of my shots, but i still get
some minor incositencies on the 2400, so i'm a bit gun shy.:-0



Go for it, Dave!  No guts, no glory! :-)   Seriously, just out of interest, 
what are the inconsistencies?  Cheers, Christine 




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Re: head to head: Hasselblad and a Canon :-)

[Christine Aguila]

A while back Brooks Jensen from the magazine Lens Works did a podcast about 
a similar test:  Hasselblad & some DSLR, can't remember which one.  Similar 
findings were made with prints 13" x19" and smaller.  Very little difference 
was noticed.  The difference came when printing larger, museum sized prints; 
here medium format won out, as would be expected.   Yep, I think it's an 
exciting time for photography and photographers--the journey has been great 
fun so far; it will be interesting to see where it takes us.  Cheers, 
Christine



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Subject: OT: head to head: Hasselblad and a Canon :-)



got it from reading another forum actually but thought it worth
posting it here:The MF Hasselblad H2 with Phase One P45+ back compared
to a Canon G10on 13x19 prints...(i guess i am relatively workless
at work today :-))

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml

quoting without prejudice:

"The point of all of this is simple. As the industry matures the low
end is improving rapidly while the high end's improvements are slowing
down. This is narrowing the gap, and that's good news for all of us.
Don't read too much more into it than that."

regards, subash

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Re: PESO -- Fall Stairs

[Bruce Dayton]

Pretty cool shot, there.  Well seen and captured.

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Bruce


Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:02:51 PM, you wrote:

PJA> http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO%20--%20fallstairs.html

PJA> Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax A 24mm f2.8

PJA> As usual comments are welcomed but may be totally ignored.




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