Re: Bob Sullivan has a lot to answer for
Thanks to Bob, I own a number of fine lenses ;-). I salute you, Bob! Boris On 5/29/2010 2:53 AM, Rick Womer wrote: There I was, generally content with my K10D. Then... Bob brought along his K7 when we met in Chicago last week. Sigh. Today I ordered a K7 from BH. ETA is Wednesday. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
peso rooftop
Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
On 30/05/2010, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html LOL, always carrots ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
Interesting and puzzling shot, didn't spot the orange stuff at first. The person and black object on the street makes me wonder what's happening? Toine On 30 May 2010 08:47, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
baseball halfway to mitt bottom left I think On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote: Interesting and puzzling shot, didn't spot the orange stuff at first. The person and black object on the street makes me wonder what's happening? Toine On 30 May 2010 08:47, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT The Sistine Chapel Total emersion.
Wow. That's marvelous. Thanks for sharing.
And what's up with your weird sig line?
Marnie aka Doe
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Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
uhm wouldn't the campaign to reach and penetrate them cost MORE? 2010/5/30 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: 5.5 to 6 million cars are sold in the US per quarter. Call it 23 million cars per year, 2010. At $10-$100 per new car, that's a extra $230,000,000 to $2,300,000,000 per year cost placed onto society. Wouldn't it just be better to raise driver's awareness? Regards, Bob S. On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:04 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Most of my writing is, well, frivolous. Not this time. Kids are dying in cars at an unprecedented rate. As unbelievable as it sounds, those deaths are often caused by a simple memory lapse. The Times asked me to look into it. The article appears in tomorrow's paper, and it's up on the web now. Our own Ken Waller served as a very valuable resource, and he's quoted in the article. You'll find it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/automobiles/30HEAT.html?pagewanted=1ref=automobiles You summed up your article beautifully, Paul: “If we leave the headlights on or keys in the ignition, we get a buzz,” she said. “Somehow we have decided that it’s more important not to have a dead car battery than a dead baby.” As a parent of three now-grown children, it seems inconceivable to me that anyone could forget an infant in a car (we had our baby seat in the back seat back then, too). That's nothing short of criminal negligence. But for those times they are forgotten, if a sensor is available, it should be there. One dead innocent child is too many. Yes, if its you child, but should the rest of us have to pay for your error? Lack of action on your part should not create an issue for me. Great article. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 12:23 AM, Larry Colen wrote: It's a good article, but let's take a look at it. Let's assume that we could develop a system that would prevent every one of these deaths, and that it could be implemented for $10 per car. Now let's say that there are 30 million cars sold in the US each year (one car per decade per person), that means it would cost $300,000,000 to prevent these deaths. The article says that there are 30 of these deaths per year, so that's $100,000 per life saved. On the surface, that seems like it might be a reasonable cost benefit ratio. I'm certain that the parents of the kids would certainly think so. On the other hand, how many more lives could be saved by applying that third of a billion dollars to a problem that kills far more people every year? So, Larry, you say something like this: to fix this problem we need 9 digit figure in US currency. But, you say, there are other concerns that can be more beneficial (as in saving more lives), so let us *not* fix this problem, but rather apply the money elsewhere??? Pardon my french here, but I say it is outright bullshit. You have a point in a sense that thought and planning need be applied here. I wonder however, what will make you change your mind? 1000 deaths per year instead of 10? Or may be 100 deaths in your state instead of none? Or may be something even more serious than that? In particular, here in Israel we have a mandatory yearly check up and some kind of tax that one has to pay for owning the vehicle (It is order of USD 250 for smaller cars and progressively more expensive for bigger cars). Add 2 bucks to the tax and averaging on 5 years of owning a car - you got your ten bucks. I reckon crying and moaning about the tax raise will be substantially bigger than the actual taxation and benefits thereof. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 5:36 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's still bullshit. That money is in other peoples pockets, it's not like its just lying in a pile and won't be used if this particular forced good deed isn't done, (and a dedicated idiot will still override the safety device). If you've got kids and you want to spend it on an alarm system so you don't forget their own children, so be it. People have to take some kind of responsibility for their own stupid actions. Society isn't responsible for people who accidentally bake their kids. The ones responsible are the idiots, who would do such a thing.. I'll morn for the children, but but I won't force the rest of the world to protect those kids, it's not their responsibility Unfortunately I can't think of a punishment that fits the crime, that doesn't reek of pure vindictiveness. sarcasm Let us remove all the street lights on all intersections. It is forced good that is forced onto those idiots who cannot give right of way or wait ten seconds until other cars pass. We shall then create a huge pile of cash that we will know how to use well. /sarcasm Peter, it is 21st century out there and great many things involve collective cooperation and mutual safety. And although criminal negligence is a crime but it is not done on purpose. So, don't call people idiots just because. One day you (or I) will get distracted and it is better to have a 10 dollars worth of protective device than let the unspeakable happen. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 6:59 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: 5.5 to 6 million cars are sold in the US per quarter. Call it 23 million cars per year, 2010. At $10-$100 per new car, that's a extra $230,000,000 to $2,300,000,000 per year cost placed onto society. Wouldn't it just be better to raise driver's awareness? Regards, Bob S. Bob, Ken (to whom Bob replied and whose message I omitted), the new car costs $15,000 or so and upwards. Addition of $150 to the cost of the car will constitute 1%. Is it that serious??? I say, it is not. Compare it to the cost of premium entertainment system or alloy tires that get sold every day by dozens at car dealerships... Especially, if most cars have underlying technology already in place, be it blue tooth, weight sensor, etc... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: You think you K10 is loud
2010/5/30 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Canon FD lenses, (pre EOS) used a breach lock system to mount their lenses, but it's not funny if you have to explain the joke. However it got even more bizarre when they modified the breach lock system to /look/ like a bayonet lens mount system... As in adding the little button when going from FD to the new FD? Well it does click rather nicely - I still have an FD system here =) Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
As far as spending that money on other things, perhaps that should be done, but it's not an either/or situation. If the baby sensors aren't put into automobiles, you know damned well it's not as if that money will suddenly be applied to some other life saver. surely in this day and age it's not beyond the wit of man to find some way of extending the human incubation period by a few months so children are that much older when they're born? Following birth they should be placed in hermetically sealed incubators and kept in hospital for the first few years of their lives, until they reach the age of criminal responsibility. When they're allowed out of the incubator at the age of 10 they can be put on trial for toddling on the grass, and incarcerated until they're 18 or 21, depending on the jurisdiction. That should keep them safe and resolve their parents of the responsibility for looking after them properly. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
So, Larry, you say something like this: to fix this problem we need 9 digit figure in US currency. But, you say, there are other concerns that can be more beneficial (as in saving more lives), so let us *not* fix this problem, but rather apply the money elsewhere??? Pardon my french here, but I say it is outright bullshit. You have a point in a sense that thought and planning need be applied here. I wonder however, what will make you change your mind? 1000 deaths per year instead of 10? Or may be 100 deaths in your state instead of none? Or may be something even more serious than that? all Larry has suggested is doing what every person and organisation does when they are looking at spending money - asking the question 'is this the best way of spending the money'. When people first get involved in developing a business case at work they think every project that has a good business case should be done. But they're not taking into account that the budget is limited so you have to spend the money on the project with the best business case. In other words, if you're going to spend that money you should spend it on the project with the biggest return. Especially if you're using taxpayers' money. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise
frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com writes: Okay, it's not sharp, it's noisy, but I like it anyway. Hope you do, too. Nice! No, it's not sharp, yes, it's noisy -- but I think the grain and general fuzziness add to the image, making it that much more appealing. -tih -- SIGTHTBABW - a signal sent from Unix to its programmers at random intervals to make them remember that There Has To Be A Better Way --Erik Naggum -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO Wrong Way
Do you ever have one of those subjects that's like a deer in your headlights? http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4652466414/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 12:34 PM, Bob W wrote: all Larry has suggested is doing what every person and organisation does when they are looking at spending money - asking the question 'is this the best way of spending the money'. When people first get involved in developing a business case at work they think every project that has a good business case should be done. But they're not taking into account that the budget is limited so you have to spend the money on the project with the best business case. In other words, if you're going to spend that money you should spend it on the project with the biggest return. Especially if you're using taxpayers' money. Bob Bob, with all due respect to you and Larry I understood him rather differently. He indicated, to the best of my understanding, that there are entirely different projects that are more worthy of spending the money on. Therefore, as far I understood his logic, this very project did not deserve real attention. My opinion is pretty much opposite of his. As for taxpayers' money, it brings up an interesting concern. You see, my experience living in Israel (in USSR it was absolutely different and rather inapplicable here) teaches me that very often things on the scale of the whole state are done in reactive manner. It is either some loud publicity or some equally loud law suit that often triggers some ultimately wise action on the part of the authorities. It would be very sad if great many people (children or not) would have suffered before the effective solution of the problem were to be found and put in place. And yes, I am fully aware of the inertia and braking power of bureaucracy and large scale organizations that must be taken into account here. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
Bob, with all due respect to you and Larry I understood him rather differently. He indicated, to the best of my understanding, that there are entirely different projects that are more worthy of spending the money on. Therefore, as far I understood his logic, this very project did not deserve real attention. My opinion is pretty much opposite of his. well frankly it doesn't deserve spending money on, unless individual car owners choose to spend their own money on it. It's the parents' responsibility to look after their own children, not the responsibility of other people. If parents can't look after their own children properly we already have methods for dealing with it. If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go ahead and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 1:50 PM, Bob W wrote: well frankly it doesn't deserve spending money on, unless individual car owners choose to spend their own money on it. It's the parents' responsibility to look after their own children, not the responsibility of other people. If parents can't look after their own children properly we already have methods for dealing with it. If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go ahead and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it. Bob I hear you, Bob (and others). But perhaps you could then explain me why buckling up has been made mandatory in many countries including, I believe, United States, Great Britain and Israel. After all, by the same logic, it is driver's own responsibility to use the seat belt and as such, if one is stopped by the police car for inspection and found not wearing the seat belt, it is of no concern of the police officer, as it has to do only with the driver's personal safety. I am sorry, Bob, although I think I understand at least some of your argument and the sense behind it, I don't buy it. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bob Sullivan has a lot to answer for
Boris and Rick, Just trying to do my part for Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bob, I own a number of fine lenses ;-). I salute you, Bob! Boris On 5/29/2010 2:53 AM, Rick Womer wrote: There I was, generally content with my K10D. Then... Bob brought along his K7 when we met in Chicago last week. Sigh. Today I ordered a K7 from BH. ETA is Wednesday. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bob Sullivan has a lot to answer for
On 5/30/2010 1:59 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Boris and Rick, Just trying to do my part for Pentax. Regards, Bob S. As long as you get your royalties, Bob, sir ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: GFM - who is attending this year
I haven't really admitted it to myself yet but... heavy resigned sigh... I'm not going to GFM this year. Really busy at work + I haven't really seen my family much lately + $ = no go. I didn't really know it at the time but it seems like I traded the Chicago trip for N.C. Not really a fair trade given the short length of our stay up there but there it is. I'm sad to miss Mark's talk, the Doug and Mark Hour, and your shining faces around the camp-site. I wish I could tele-port the camper up there so you lucky few could sit under my awning. Bummer. Cory On 5/27/2010 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend opens next Friday in North Carolina!!! Do we have a list of those who have tickets or plan to attend? Don Nelson is a host and Mark Roberts is presenting. Doug Brewer should be judging once again for the Doug Mark show. I believe Christine A. and Rick Wormer can't make it this year. But I think Bill and Phyllis Owens are coming up to the mountain. Lynn and I are driving down and staying in town. Anybody else get tickets and planning to attend? Regards, Bob S. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2899 - Release Date: 05/27/10 02:25:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kids are Dying in Cars
Rob, I believe it's also a legal offense here to leave kids locked in the car. In any case, leaving kids unattended in a car is dangerous. One of our neighbors (across the street) had an incident. She put her kids in the car and started it on her driveway. Then, she ran back into the house for something she forgot. One of her pre-school boys got the car into reverse and backed across the street and into the neighbor's house. And I'll bet we see 2K to 5K cars a day on the street! Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/05/2010, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: There is now legislation in Queensland making it an offence to leave a child under a certain age unattended in any vehicle, and a woman was prosecuted this week for doing so while shopping for jewellery in a pawnshop. The child was rescued after 40 minutes after a passer-by noticed he was suffering from heat stress. The woman was placed on probation for three years and required to undertake a parenting course. It has been recorded that, in a Queensland summer, the interior of a car can reach 60C after only ten minutes when the car is parked in full sunlight, as is often the case in suburban shopping centre car parks. It was fortunate in the case cited that the event occurred in our winter, otherwise the child would be either dead or severely damaged. It a $22k fine for leaving kids unattended in cars down here, that includes the trip from the petrol pump (where law requires you to lock the car) to the cashier. http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docswr/_assets/main/lib100039/kids_cars_parentsignoring.pdf -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - strolling
Sasha, Clearly, the person makes ir better! Regards, Bob S. On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: Thanks Ann, I waited for couple of minutes. Does it make the photo better or worse? --Sasha On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Sasha Sobol wrote: Thanks to everyone. I think the window was painted as well. - On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Excellent! Wonderful timing. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, May 15, 2010, 11:57:15 PM, you wrote: SS http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4609700698/ SS cc are very welcome. SS --Sasha Just now saw this -- my kinda shot, Sasha - did you hang around for a while waiting for it, seeing the possibilities, or did you see her coming and get set to snap at that moment? Anyway, nice grab for sure! Ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
Interesting perspective. I love the kids playing catch in the driveway, with the ball mid flight. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bob Sullivan has a lot to answer for
No royalties here,,, :-) Not even loaner lenses! On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/30/2010 1:59 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Boris and Rick, Just trying to do my part for Pentax. Regards, Bob S. As long as you get your royalties, Bob, sir ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: GFM - who is attending this year
We'll miss you Cory. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: I haven't really admitted it to myself yet but... heavy resigned sigh... I'm not going to GFM this year. Really busy at work + I haven't really seen my family much lately + $ = no go. I didn't really know it at the time but it seems like I traded the Chicago trip for N.C. Not really a fair trade given the short length of our stay up there but there it is. I'm sad to miss Mark's talk, the Doug and Mark Hour, and your shining faces around the camp-site. I wish I could tele-port the camper up there so you lucky few could sit under my awning. Bummer. Cory On 5/27/2010 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend opens next Friday in North Carolina!!! Do we have a list of those who have tickets or plan to attend? Don Nelson is a host and Mark Roberts is presenting. Doug Brewer should be judging once again for the Doug Mark show. I believe Christine A. and Rick Wormer can't make it this year. But I think Bill and Phyllis Owens are coming up to the mountain. Lynn and I are driving down and staying in town. Anybody else get tickets and planning to attend? Regards, Bob S. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2899 - Release Date: 05/27/10 02:25:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bob Sullivan has a lot to answer for
On 5/30/2010 2:26 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: No royalties here,,, :-) Not even loaner lenses! Well, I reckon I offered you to use some of the lenses that you so generously enabled me with ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
From: Larry Colen On May 29, 2010, at 5:04 AM, paul stenquist wrote: Most of my writing is, well, frivolous. Not this time. Kids are dying in cars at an unprecedented rate. As unbelievable as it sounds, those deaths are often caused by a simple memory lapse. The Times asked me to look into it. The article appears in tomorrow's paper, and it's up on the web now. Our own Ken Waller served as a very valuable resource, and he's quoted in the article. You'll find it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/automobiles/30HEAT.html?pagewanted=1ref=automobiles It's a good article, but let's take a look at it. Let's assume that we could develop a system that would prevent every one of these deaths, and that it could be implemented for $10 per car. Now let's say that there are 30 million cars sold in the US each year (one car per decade per person), that means it would cost $300,000,000 to prevent these deaths. The article says that there are 30 of these deaths per year, so that's $100,000 per life saved. On the surface, that seems like it might be a reasonable cost benefit ratio. I'm certain that the parents of the kids would certainly think so. On the other hand, how many more lives could be saved by applying that third of a billion dollars to a problem that kills far more people every year? That's why I think having the alarm be an integral part of the child safety seat like the NASA guys were working on is probably the best way to handle the problem. Even if it made the seats cost $10 more, the added protection against potential tragedy would still be worth the cost. And the overall cost would be lower. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On May 29, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: 5.5 to 6 million cars are sold in the US per quarter. Call it 23 million cars per year, 2010. At $10-$100 per new car, that's a extra $230,000,000 to $2,300,000,000 I think the cost per vehicle can easily be brought down to ten dollars or less. And remember that any new production also creates jobs. It's not necessarily a loss to society. per year cost placed onto society. Wouldn't it just be better to raise driver's awareness? Regards, Bob S. Undoubtedly, but raising awareness doesn't seem to work thus far. Everyone believes it can't happen to them, but evidence suggests that it can happen to almost anyone. On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:04 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Most of my writing is, well, frivolous. Not this time. Kids are dying in cars at an unprecedented rate. As unbelievable as it sounds, those deaths are often caused by a simple memory lapse. The Times asked me to look into it. The article appears in tomorrow's paper, and it's up on the web now. Our own Ken Waller served as a very valuable resource, and he's quoted in the article. You'll find it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/automobiles/30HEAT.html?pagewanted=1ref=automobiles You summed up your article beautifully, Paul: “If we leave the headlights on or keys in the ignition, we get a buzz,” she said. “Somehow we have decided that it’s more important not to have a dead car battery than a dead baby.” As a parent of three now-grown children, it seems inconceivable to me that anyone could forget an infant in a car (we had our baby seat in the back seat back then, too). That's nothing short of criminal negligence. But for those times they are forgotten, if a sensor is available, it should be there. One dead innocent child is too many. Yes, if its you child, but should the rest of us have to pay for your error? Lack of action on your part should not create an issue for me. Great article. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT PESOs - Boyfriend series
My photopal and I were talking about photo series. She is working on a wonderful one that seems to have limitless possiblities, with the added bonus that it takes place in a pub. I was whinging that I don't have one, when she pointed out a pattern. So, viola, although I didn't plan it, it seems I have a series I don't think I'll take this very far though. I'm likely to get a punch in the eye one of these days. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_directedboyfriend/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_supportiveboyfriend/01.htm Some earlier ones http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_03/10_03_surroundings/02.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_01/10_01_tallbf/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_pinkumbrella/01.htm ...and a few more non-BF shots with the Leica from this afternoon http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_relaxeddog/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_perched/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_longshadow/01.htm -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
Isn't that $10,000,000 per life saved? Not $100,000. From: Larry Colen It's a good article, but let's take a look at it. Let's assume that we could develop a system that would prevent every one of these deaths, and that it could be implemented for $10 per car. Now let's say that there are 30 million cars sold in the US each year (one car per decade per person), that means it would cost $300,000,000 to prevent these deaths. The article says that there are 30 of these deaths per year, so that's $100,000 per life saved. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise (sans bruit)
frank theriault wrote: The majority of those commenting on my Moonrise PESO from yesterday commented on the noise. I use GIMP for processing, so de-noising is not like PS or Noise Ninja (which doesn't seem to have a plug-in for GIMP), but I did my best with what I have and came up with this: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/moonrise-sans-bruit.html For purposes of comparison, here's the original: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/moon-rising.html I have to admit I prefer the noisy version (sort of impressionistic to my eye) but I'm curious to see if any of you feel differently. thanks, frank Me too, man, me too. The noisy one is very Whisterian. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
From what is read and hear on news hours, its not so much a case of forgetting a child in a car, but rather intentional short term abandonment for shopping, and the parent(s) personal gratifications. Our buses have motion detectors that will be set off should a child be left on the bus. It sets of a horn and flashing lights. Maybe something like that in cars that can be installed once one has children, after market. Although no one really pays any attention to beeping horns and flashing lights when a car is stolen, so I guess just ignore me then. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
Not always forgetfulness - sometimes just plain ignorance. Happened here in NC a several years ago. Single mom didn't have money to pay for child care just took the kid to work with her. Left the child in the car seat planning to check on it during her breaks. She didn't know any better what happens in the interior of a car when the sun shines on it. From: Marnie Good article, but have a hard time believing parents forget babies in cars. I do believe that someone could put a baby in a car seat ONTOP of a car, and start backing up forgetting they were there. But that's different. Marnie In a message dated 5/29/2010 5:04:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: Most of my writing is, well, frivolous. Not this time. Kids are dying in cars at an unprecedented rate. As unbelievable as it sounds, those deaths are often caused by a simple memory lapse. The Times asked me to look into it. The article appears in tomorrow's paper, and it's up on the web now. Our own Ken Waller served as a very valuable resource, and he's quoted in the article. You'll find it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/automobiles/30HEAT.html?pagewanted=1ref=a utomobiles Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On May 30, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Bob W wrote: Bob, with all due respect to you and Larry I understood him rather differently. He indicated, to the best of my understanding, that there are entirely different projects that are more worthy of spending the money on. Therefore, as far I understood his logic, this very project did not deserve real attention. My opinion is pretty much opposite of his. well frankly it doesn't deserve spending money on, unless individual car owners choose to spend their own money on it. It's the parents' responsibility to look after their own children, not the responsibility of other people. If parents can't look after their own children properly we already have methods for dealing with it. If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go ahead and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it. Of course your argument can be extended. You've already paid for the airbags and seat bels in his car so that he'll be protected in case he hits something. And you've paid for that buzzer that tells him his lights are on, in case he forgets to shut them off. In fact, there are numerous devices in cars, many of them mandated by regulation, that we all pay for. But in the end we don't really pay in full. Implementation of new technology creates jobs. Jobs generate revenue that goes back to the population. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
Christine Aguila wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine Ha, that's a great shot. One building has comfy lounges, provides shade and warmth for their guests and lots of pot plants. The other let their plants die, sets up spindly torture chairs facing away from the view, and leaves the barf unattended. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On May 30, 2010, at 7:47 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Not always forgetfulness - sometimes just plain ignorance. The hyperthermia deaths are sometimes the result of ignorance. But the majority are inadvertently caused by otherwise responsible parents. Paul Happened here in NC a several years ago. Single mom didn't have money to pay for child care just took the kid to work with her. Left the child in the car seat planning to check on it during her breaks. She didn't know any better what happens in the interior of a car when the sun shines on it. From: Marnie Good article, but have a hard time believing parents forget babies in cars. I do believe that someone could put a baby in a car seat ONTOP of a car, and start backing up forgetting they were there. But that's different. Marnie In a message dated 5/29/2010 5:04:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: Most of my writing is, well, frivolous. Not this time. Kids are dying in cars at an unprecedented rate. As unbelievable as it sounds, those deaths are often caused by a simple memory lapse. The Times asked me to look into it. The article appears in tomorrow's paper, and it's up on the web now. Our own Ken Waller served as a very valuable resource, and he's quoted in the article. You'll find it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/automobiles/30HEAT.html?pagewanted=1ref=a utomobiles Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
From: paul stenquist . .My inclination would be a bluetooth device that you could clip to the baby seat, and a program that would run on your cell phone, or a dedicated device) that would .alert when the sensor got out of range. Likewise, it could alert if the temperature got too high, or too low. LIke Ken said, it won't happen without regulation. NASA has tried to get someone to license their device for a number of years now. The numbers aren't large enough to interest investors. I've never been a fan of mandated safety, but I think I can support this. It was government regulation that made child safety seats mandatory, and it was government regulation that set standards for those child safety seats. Seems to me like those child safety seat regulations need to be updated to mandate some kind of warning system built into the seat. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
Looks to me in some parts like a cultural issue again - some countries have higher thresholds for acceptable legislative interference, others believe in paternalism as part of a healthy society. Maybe it also depends on how much of a flying fuck the government gives about the voters' opinion once the ballot is cast. You make your cross and then you bear it, we say about elections here... I don't see it anywhere near the taxpayer's back either way Cheers Ecke 2010/5/30 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: paul stenquist . .My inclination would be a bluetooth device that you could clip to the baby seat, and a program that would run on your cell phone, or a dedicated device) that would .alert when the sensor got out of range. Likewise, it could alert if the temperature got too high, or too low. LIke Ken said, it won't happen without regulation. NASA has tried to get someone to license their device for a number of years now. The numbers aren't large enough to interest investors. I've never been a fan of mandated safety, but I think I can support this. It was government regulation that made child safety seats mandatory, and it was government regulation that set standards for those child safety seats. Seems to me like those child safety seat regulations need to be updated to mandate some kind of warning system built into the seat. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On May 30, 2010, at 7:55 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: paul stenquist . .My inclination would be a bluetooth device that you could clip to the baby seat, and a program that would run on your cell phone, or a dedicated device) that would .alert when the sensor got out of range. Likewise, it could alert if the temperature got too high, or too low. LIke Ken said, it won't happen without regulation. NASA has tried to get someone to license their device for a number of years now. The numbers aren't large enough to interest investors. I've never been a fan of mandated safety, but I think I can support this. It was government regulation that made child safety seats mandatory, and it was government regulation that set standards for those child safety seats. Seems to me like those child safety seat regulations need to be updated to mandate some kind of warning system built into the seat. That may well be the best solution. The NASA device would work as an add-on seat device. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Moonrise (sans bruit)
From: Derby Chang frank theriault wrote: The majority of those commenting on my Moonrise PESO from yesterday commented on the noise. I use GIMP for processing, so de-noising is not like PS or Noise Ninja (which doesn't seem to have a plug-in for GIMP), but I did my best with what I have and came up with this: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/moonrise-sans-bruit.html For purposes of comparison, here's the original: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/moon-rising.html I have to admit I prefer the noisy version (sort of impressionistic to my eye) but I'm curious to see if any of you feel differently. thanks, frank Me too, man, me too. The noisy one is very Whisterian. The noise in the original doesn't look like impressionist painting to me. Wrong kind of noise for that purpose. But at that, it's still better than the moonrise-sans-bruit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 2:59 PM, eckinator wrote: Looks to me in some parts like a cultural issue again - some countries have higher thresholds for acceptable legislative interference, others believe in paternalism as part of a healthy society. Maybe it also depends on how much of a flying fuck the government gives about the voters' opinion once the ballot is cast. You make your cross and then you bear it, we say about elections here... I don't see it anywhere near the taxpayer's back either way Cheers Ecke Indeed, it is a cultural issue, 'cause different countries/cultures have different perspective on these things. And even ever so slight difference can be significant. I also think that it may have to do with the size or population of the country... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
Paul, I am sorry, you were referring to my argument or to that of Bob W's? Boris On 5/30/2010 2:49 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On May 30, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Bob W wrote: Bob, with all due respect to you and Larry I understood him rather differently. He indicated, to the best of my understanding, that there are entirely different projects that are more worthy of spending the money on. Therefore, as far I understood his logic, this very project did not deserve real attention. My opinion is pretty much opposite of his. well frankly it doesn't deserve spending money on, unless individual car owners choose to spend their own money on it. It's the parents' responsibility to look after their own children, not the responsibility of other people. If parents can't look after their own children properly we already have methods for dealing with it. If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go ahead and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it. Of course your argument can be extended. You've already paid for the airbags and seat bels in his car so that he'll be protected in case he hits something. And you've paid for that buzzer that tells him his lights are on, in case he forgets to shut them off. In fact, there are numerous devices in cars, many of them mandated by regulation, that we all pay for. But in the end we don't really pay in full. Implementation of new technology creates jobs. Jobs generate revenue that goes back to the population. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Wrong Way!
What a great catch, Larry. I love it! Dan On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Do you ever have one of those subjects that's like a deer in your headlights? http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4652466414/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: GFM - who is attending this year
Cory Waters wrote: I haven't really admitted it to myself yet but... heavy resigned sigh... I'm not going to GFM this year. Really busy at work + I haven't really seen my family much lately + $ = no go. I didn't really know it at the time but it seems like I traded the Chicago trip for N.C. Not really a fair trade given the short length of our stay up there but there it is. I'm sad to miss Mark's talk, the Doug and Mark Hour, and your shining faces around the camp-site. I wish I could tele-port the camper up there so you lucky few could sit under my awning. That sucks Cory. Wish you could make it. It just won't be the same without PDML Central. (And, dammit, I forgot to bring the PDML Blimp [TM] again!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Robin at home
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:20:38PM +0200, Toine scripsit: http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/138-robin-at-home So you've got good orange feather detail and bright yellow beak inside the shadowed nest box, and delicate moss green outside the nest box, AND good timing on the bug delivery. I don't think I'm going to collapse into loathing, but I'm going to have to at least consider it. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
Sorry, 'www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html' does not exist or is not available. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: GFM - who is attending this year
I was thinking about sending the blimp and the banner to Scott. CW On 5/30/2010 9:00 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Cory Waters wrote: I haven't really admitted it to myself yet but... heavy resigned sigh... I'm not going to GFM this year. Really busy at work + I haven't really seen my family much lately + $ = no go. I didn't really know it at the time but it seems like I traded the Chicago trip for N.C. Not really a fair trade given the short length of our stay up there but there it is. I'm sad to miss Mark's talk, the Doug and Mark Hour, and your shining faces around the camp-site. I wish I could tele-port the camper up there so you lucky few could sit under my awning. That sucks Cory. Wish you could make it. It just won't be the same without PDML Central. (And, dammit, I forgot to bring the PDML Blimp [TM] again!) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2904 - Release Date: 05/29/10 14:25:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Robin at home
Agreed. Nice catch. -Original Message- From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 23:20:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Robin at home woo, good capture...! And I like your yet another Bokeh very much, too ann Toine wrote: http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/138-robin-at-home Toine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go ahead and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it. Bob I hear you, Bob (and others). But perhaps you could then explain me why buckling up has been made mandatory in many countries including, I believe, United States, Great Britain and Israel. After all, by the same logic, it is driver's own responsibility to use the seat belt and as such, if one is stopped by the police car for inspection and found not wearing the seat belt, it is of no concern of the police officer, as it has to do only with the driver's personal safety. Exactly so. I don't believe buckling up should be mandatory, any more than wearing cycling helmets should be mandatory. I also think it should be legal for adults to use class A drugs if they want to. Adults are responsible for their own safety; parents and relatives are responsible for the safety of children, not the government or groups of well-meaning do-gooders. The government, medical profession etc. should provide information about the effects of these activities on our health and let us decide what we want to do about it, provided we're only affecting ourselves. This is the classic liberal position on such matters. I am sorry, Bob, although I think I understand at least some of your argument and the sense behind it, I don't buy it. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
2010/5/30 Bob W p...@web-options.com: surely in this day and age it's not beyond the wit of man to find some way of extending the human incubation period by a few months so children are that much older when they're born? Following birth they should be placed in hermetically sealed incubators and kept in hospital for the first few years of their lives, until they reach the age of criminal responsibility. When they're allowed out of the incubator at the age of 10 they can be put on trial for toddling on the grass, and incarcerated until they're 18 or 21, depending on the jurisdiction. That should keep them safe and resolve their parents of the responsibility for looking after them properly. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701549_5.html?sid=ST2009030602446 read that maybe - it explains some of why it can happen to anyone cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
[...] That should keep them safe and resolve their parents of the responsibility for looking after them properly. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701549_5.html?sid=ST2009030602446 read that maybe - it explains some of why it can happen to anyone cheers ecke sure, of course it can happen to anyone - I don't dispute that. It's still the parents' (or driver's) responsibility. If they want to buy an alarm I'm not going to stop them - I'm just not going to pay for it for them. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
2010/5/30 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I don't believe buckling up should be mandatory, any more than wearing cycling helmets should be mandatory. I also think it should be legal for adults to use class A drugs if they want to. Adults are responsible for their own safety; parents and relatives are responsible for the safety of children, not the government or groups of well-meaning do-gooders. The government, medical profession etc. should provide information about the effects of these activities on our health and let us decide what we want to do about it, provided we're only affecting ourselves. This is the classic liberal position on such matters. Pretty neat if you ignore the cost for and toll on society from such thinking. If I was an ambulance paramedic like one of my acquaintances, I wouldn't want to scrape your brains off the steering wheel, if you had no health insurance and ruined yourself beyond repair, I wouldn't want to be the one to decide that since you have no medical plan, you are now going to have to go home and croak, if I was your friend or relative, I wouldn't want to see you fall apart over the pain of having caused the death of your own child - seen it, when I was a kid, our neighbour 6 houses down killed his daughter backing up a small rented forklifter against her and then into the garage wall; poor man ended up hanging himself - I could go on forever but if you choose what you believe to be an educated choice what then turns out to be just too damn dumb, there will always be someone else suffering the consequences with you or for you and this is exactly where that kind of thinking becomes terminally selfish cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
[...] out to be just too damn dumb, there will always be someone else suffering the consequences with you or for you and this is exactly where that kind of thinking becomes terminally selfish cheers ecke in that case you're going to have to legislate to remove all possible self-imposed risk from the world. You're going to have to make smoking illegal, you're going to have to make sunbathing for longer than 30 minutes a day illegal, crossing the road while the green man is flashing, walking the streets without wearing a helmet,... B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
TMI -- even without looking at the photo forgive me if I don't look at this one, christine ;-) ann Christine Aguila wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
Interesting perspective. Nice colours to it Dave On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On May 30, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Paul, I am sorry, you were referring to my argument or to that of Bob W's? Boris Bob W's On 5/30/2010 2:49 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On May 30, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Bob W wrote: Bob, with all due respect to you and Larry I understood him rather differently. He indicated, to the best of my understanding, that there are entirely different projects that are more worthy of spending the money on. Therefore, as far I understood his logic, this very project did not deserve real attention. My opinion is pretty much opposite of his. well frankly it doesn't deserve spending money on, unless individual car owners choose to spend their own money on it. It's the parents' responsibility to look after their own children, not the responsibility of other people. If parents can't look after their own children properly we already have methods for dealing with it. If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go ahead and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it. Of course your argument can be extended. You've already paid for the airbags and seat bels in his car so that he'll be protected in case he hits something. And you've paid for that buzzer that tells him his lights are on, in case he forgets to shut them off. In fact, there are numerous devices in cars, many of them mandated by regulation, that we all pay for. But in the end we don't really pay in full. Implementation of new technology creates jobs. Jobs generate revenue that goes back to the population. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Robin at home
ROFL! Did I mention I shot this in my friends garden (while drinking beer) as an example why Pentax is superior (he spend days capturing the bird with his Nikon). He is now pondering if he should start a stamp collection or switch brand. As for the gear thanks to the 540 flash which had enough power and in wireless mode I could handhold the flash closer to the lens (on camera the shadow in the nest box was to big). Toine On 30 May 2010 15:25, Graydon gray...@marost.ca wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:20:38PM +0200, Toine scripsit: http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/138-robin-at-home So you've got good orange feather detail and bright yellow beak inside the shadowed nest box, and delicate moss green outside the nest box, AND good timing on the bug delivery. I don't think I'm going to collapse into loathing, but I'm going to have to at least consider it. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: GFM - who is attending this year
Don't let them kid you, they'll miss your awning.
On 5/30/2010 7:27 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
We'll miss you Cory. Regards, Bob S.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Cory Waterscbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I haven't really admitted it to myself yet but...heavy resigned sigh...
I'm not going to GFM this year.
Really busy at work + I haven't really seen my family much lately + $ = no
go.
I didn't really know it at the time but it seems like I traded the Chicago
trip for N.C. Not really a fair trade given the short length of our stay up
there but there it is.
I'm sad to miss Mark's talk, the Doug and Mark Hour, and your shining
faces around the camp-site.
I wish I could tele-port the camper up there so you lucky few could sit
under my awning.
Bummer.
Cory
On 5/27/2010 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend opens next Friday in
North Carolina!!!
Do we have a list of those who have tickets or plan to attend?
Don Nelson is a host and Mark Roberts is presenting.
Doug Brewer should be judging once again for the DougMark show.
I believe Christine A. and Rick Wormer can't make it this year.
But I think Bill and Phyllis Owens are coming up to the mountain.
Lynn and I are driving down and staying in town.
Anybody else get tickets and planning to attend?
Regards, Bob S.
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Re: PESO Robin at home
Neato! That's great, Toine. Caught it just right. cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Toine to...@repiuk.nl To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: PESO Robin at home ROFL! Did I mention I shot this in my friends garden (while drinking beer) as an example why Pentax is superior (he spend days capturing the bird with his Nikon). He is now pondering if he should start a stamp collection or switch brand. As for the gear thanks to the 540 flash which had enough power and in wireless mode I could handhold the flash closer to the lens (on camera the shadow in the nest box was to big). Toine On 30 May 2010 15:25, Graydon gray...@marost.ca wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:20:38PM +0200, Toine scripsit: http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/138-robin-at-home So you've got good orange feather detail and bright yellow beak inside the shadowed nest box, and delicate moss green outside the nest box, AND good timing on the bug delivery. I don't think I'm going to collapse into loathing, but I'm going to have to at least consider it. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Wrong Way
Funny! Good catch, Larry. cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:17 AM Subject: PESO Wrong Way Do you ever have one of those subjects that's like a deer in your headlights? http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4652466414/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
eckinator wrote: 2010/5/29 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: It's a good article, but let's take a look at it. Let's assume that we could develop a system that would prevent every one of these deaths, and that it could be implemented for $10 per car. Now let's say that there are 30 million cars sold in the US each year (one car per decade per person), that means it would cost $300,000,000 to prevent these deaths. The article says that there are 30 of these deaths per year, so that's $100,000 per life saved. On the surface, that seems like it might be a reasonable cost benefit ratio. I'm certain that the parents of the kids would certainly think so. On the other hand, how many more lives could be saved by applying that third of a billion dollars to a problem that kills far more people every year? The math of it may be fine but I remember how the mere thought of losing Mattis had me crying when he was in intensive care for the first few days after birth without even such a thing as a risk of death of any kind. No logic in the world can lessen the pain and grief of a parent. I could tell you some stories. IMHO the solution should be a low tech item that can be sold separately. One or more identically coded RFID dog tags / garment tags for the kid and a keychain device for the parents that will go off whenever none of the RFID items is in reach. Market it as a loss-stop device for everything and anything. If someone sues you over the death of a baby, tell them it was designed to protect your belongings and not your own flesh and blood. Take a side route. You just need a tether from the child seat to either your wrist, ankle or belt loop. Of course, if you are likely to forget your child BTW the article is great and also the link to the Pulitzer winner one... oh and yes they both had my crying and checking if my son still breathed... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESOs - Boyfriend series
I really like this series, Derby. It looks as if the boyfriend in Tall is prepping his girlfriend's lips for a kiss. Really giggled over that one. Perched is quite funny as well. Pink umbrella is nice too. As to the potential punch in the eye--well get a longer lens--that way you can keep the series going :-). Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 6:43 AM Subject: OT PESOs - Boyfriend series My photopal and I were talking about photo series. She is working on a wonderful one that seems to have limitless possiblities, with the added bonus that it takes place in a pub. I was whinging that I don't have one, when she pointed out a pattern. So, viola, although I didn't plan it, it seems I have a series I don't think I'll take this very far though. I'm likely to get a punch in the eye one of these days. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_directedboyfriend/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_supportiveboyfriend/01.htm Some earlier ones http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_03/10_03_surroundings/02.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_01/10_01_tallbf/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_12/08_12_pinkumbrella/01.htm ...and a few more non-BF shots with the Leica from this afternoon http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_relaxeddog/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_perched/01.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_05/10_05_longshadow/01.htm -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DOF Preview on PZ-1p with an 'A' lens??
I'm shooting a school assignment with the PZ-1p, a SMCPA 24mm f/2.8 lens. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/ultra-wide/A24f2.8.html I have to take three photos up close personal of 36 persons who I don't know (not friends, not family, not fellow students ... strangers). The assignment specifies FILM and off camera flash using a Vivitar 285HV set to yellow (shoe mounted radio trigger radio slave hotshoe). The instructor states the Vivitar 285HV automatic exposure on yellow will provide proper illumination for f/4. The lens is at 'A', with the camera in hyper-manual mode with the aperture set at f/4. Ambient light metered with a Sekonic L-408 the shutter speed set 1 stop faster than metered, i.e. meter reads f/4 @ 1/30 sec, the shutter is set to 1/60 sec. On the third roll of film (after 22nd subject), I used the DOF preview button on the PZ-1p to see how much DOF I was getting. To my surprise, when I pressed the DOF preview the lens stops all the way down to f/22. Do you think the camera has been stopping down to f/22 during taking, or is this an anomaly affecting only the DOF preview. The earliest I can get the film processed is Monday. Is that a problem with the lens, with the camera, or with the combination of lens and camera? And whoever was offering the PZ-1p a couple days ago, please email me off list. Looks like I may be in the market. I might could use my LX or K-1000, but I need the 1/250 sync speed. In the meantime I've set the lens manually to f/4 and setting the shutter speed using hyper-manual. I will shoot additional subjects to back stop myself in case the first rolls turn out unusable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso rooftop
Thanks everyone. This is a townhouse complex with a roof top patio. Two kids are playing catch in the walkway, and there's a dog top of frame. I am across from the scene on the 27th floor of a high rise looking down and feeling dizzy (something about high rise balconies). I wanted to make a nice picture of this scene, but I rushed the composition on the original frame and didn't get the lines right, and the entire frame sags to the right as if it had had a stroke, which required cropping and aligning. This was the best I could get. The little boy with the catcher's mitt got cut off a bit too, bummer there. Yep, and looks like carrots, Rob :-). I just checked, Dan, and the link works. Not sure what that was. No prob, Ann--though I'm not even sure if it is vomit :-). I shot this scene three years ago, but I aim to submit that shot to the Dec Pug for Pentax Gallery Rejects. :-) Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: Re: peso rooftop Interesting perspective. Nice colours to it Dave On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like someone threw up on the roof top. :-) I didn't get the lines right because high-rise balconies make me very nervous, so I rushed the shot. http://www.caguila.com/caguila/rooftop/index.html Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DOF Preview on PZ-1p with an 'A' lens??
John, Depth of field with the lens set on A will go to f22 (or whatever is the max). I don't remember it ever going to f4, even though the camera was set that way electronically. That DOF preview is purely mechanical. You have to twist the aperture mechanically to f4 to see f4 with DOF preview. Think legacy operation based on where the DOF preview lever is. With the digitals, DOF preview is hooked into the electronics and located by the shutter release. (MZ-S too) Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'm shooting a school assignment with the PZ-1p, a SMCPA 24mm f/2.8 lens. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/ultra-wide/A24f2.8.html I have to take three photos up close personal of 36 persons who I don't know (not friends, not family, not fellow students ... strangers). The assignment specifies FILM and off camera flash using a Vivitar 285HV set to yellow (shoe mounted radio trigger radio slave hotshoe). The instructor states the Vivitar 285HV automatic exposure on yellow will provide proper illumination for f/4. The lens is at 'A', with the camera in hyper-manual mode with the aperture set at f/4. Ambient light metered with a Sekonic L-408 the shutter speed set 1 stop faster than metered, i.e. meter reads f/4 @ 1/30 sec, the shutter is set to 1/60 sec. On the third roll of film (after 22nd subject), I used the DOF preview button on the PZ-1p to see how much DOF I was getting. To my surprise, when I pressed the DOF preview the lens stops all the way down to f/22. Do you think the camera has been stopping down to f/22 during taking, or is this an anomaly affecting only the DOF preview. The earliest I can get the film processed is Monday. Is that a problem with the lens, with the camera, or with the combination of lens and camera? And whoever was offering the PZ-1p a couple days ago, please email me off list. Looks like I may be in the market. I might could use my LX or K-1000, but I need the 1/250 sync speed. In the meantime I've set the lens manually to f/4 and setting the shutter speed using hyper-manual. I will shoot additional subjects to back stop myself in case the first rolls turn out unusable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bob Sullivan has a lot to answer for
Ha! I got the bends I got when I traded up from my *ist-D to the k-7 last fall!Enjoy! -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten and other crap
Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape update... but forget that. I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files to an external drive, putting the files on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it... I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows... what I've forgotten how to do is toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do. and then get back to windows. Thats the first question... The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it is about 79 mgscan't open it on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't know how or if. I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old sent file... though I'm guessing it had something to do with it being too large, too... anyone? Of course, write me off list and many thanks ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten and other crap
You can't get to DOS in Windows. You can open a command line window by typing CMD in the Run from the Start button. Windows no longer runs on top of DOS. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape update... but forget that. I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files to an external drive, putting the files on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it... I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows... what I've forgotten how to do is toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do. and then get back to windows. Thats the first question... The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it is about 79 mgs can't open it on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't know how or if. I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old sent file... though I'm guessing it had something to do with it being too large, too... anyone? Of course, write me off list and many thanks ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten andother crap
Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape update... but forget that. I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files to an external drive, putting the files on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it... I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows... what I've forgotten how to do is toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do. and then get back to windows. back in the old days computers used to boot into DOS and a batch file which started Windows. If your old machine still works that way you could amend the batch file to skip Windows. Without a suitable old machine to hand I'm just going from memory, but you could also amend something like config.sys or startup.sys or .bat, I think, but unless you're absolutely sure of what you're doing it's best left alone. Thats the first question... The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it is about 79 mgscan't open it on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't know how or if. Splitting files cleanly isn't an easy thing to do. Instead of using an editor that's limited why not try a different editor? Textpad is a very good one http://www.textpad.com/download/. You can download it free on a tryout basis, and pay for it only if you decide to keep it. I liked it so much, I paid for it! Bob I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old sent file... though I'm guessing it had something to do with it being too large, too... anyone? Of course, write me off list and many thanks ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten and other crap
See my off list reply about creating a bootable disk - maybe it will help... -p On 5/30/2010 12:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape update... but forget that. I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files to an external drive, putting the files on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it... I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows... what I've forgotten how to do is toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do. and then get back to windows. Thats the first question... The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it is about 79 mgscan't open it on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't know how or if. I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old sent file... though I'm guessing it had something to do with it being too large, too... anyone? Of course, write me off list and many thanks ann No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2906 - Release Date: 05/30/10 04:21:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DOF Preview on PZ-1p with an 'A' lens??
John, What Bob said. The other odd thing you might notice is that the aperture set on the lens does not agree with the aperture displayed in the viewfinder. Don't worry. The one set on the lens will prevail, and your exposures will be fine. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: DOF Preview on PZ-1p with an 'A' lens?? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 11:50 AM John, Depth of field with the lens set on A will go to f22 (or whatever is the max). I don't remember it ever going to f4, even though the camera was set that way electronically. That DOF preview is purely mechanical. You have to twist the aperture mechanically to f4 to see f4 with DOF preview. Think legacy operation based on where the DOF preview lever is. With the digitals, DOF preview is hooked into the electronics and located by the shutter release. (MZ-S too) Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'm shooting a school assignment with the PZ-1p, a SMCPA 24mm f/2.8 lens. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/ultra-wide/A24f2.8.html I have to take three photos up close personal of 36 persons who I don't know (not friends, not family, not fellow students ... strangers). The assignment specifies FILM and off camera flash using a Vivitar 285HV set to yellow (shoe mounted radio trigger radio slave hotshoe). The instructor states the Vivitar 285HV automatic exposure on yellow will provide proper illumination for f/4. The lens is at 'A', with the camera in hyper-manual mode with the aperture set at f/4. Ambient light metered with a Sekonic L-408 the shutter speed set 1 stop faster than metered, i.e. meter reads f/4 @ 1/30 sec, the shutter is set to 1/60 sec. On the third roll of film (after 22nd subject), I used the DOF preview button on the PZ-1p to see how much DOF I was getting. To my surprise, when I pressed the DOF preview the lens stops all the way down to f/22. Do you think the camera has been stopping down to f/22 during taking, or is this an anomaly affecting only the DOF preview. The earliest I can get the film processed is Monday. Is that a problem with the lens, with the camera, or with the combination of lens and camera? And whoever was offering the PZ-1p a couple days ago, please email me off list. Looks like I may be in the market. I might could use my LX or K-1000, but I need the 1/250 sync speed. In the meantime I've set the lens manually to f/4 and setting the shutter speed using hyper-manual. I will shoot additional subjects to back stop myself in case the first rolls turn out unusable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 4:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 5/30/2010 5:36 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
It's still bullshit. That money is in other peoples pockets, it's not
like its just lying in a pile and won't be used if this particular
forced good deed isn't done, (and a dedicated idiot will still override
the safety device). If you've got kids and you want to spend it on an
alarm system so you don't forget their own children, so be it. People
have to take some kind of responsibility for their own stupid actions.
Society isn't responsible for people who accidentally bake their kids.
The ones responsible are the idiots, who would do such a thing.. I'll
morn for the children, but but I won't force the rest of the world to
protect those kids, it's not their responsibility Unfortunately I can't
think of a punishment that fits the crime, that doesn't reek of pure
vindictiveness.
sarcasm
Let us remove all the street lights on all intersections. It is forced
good that is forced onto those idiots who cannot give right of way or
wait ten seconds until other cars pass.
We shall then create a huge pile of cash that we will know how to use
well.
/sarcasm
Peter, it is 21st century out there and great many things involve
collective cooperation and mutual safety. And although criminal
negligence is a crime but it is not done on purpose. So, don't call
people idiots just because. One day you (or I) will get distracted
and it is better to have a 10 dollars worth of protective device than
let the unspeakable happen.
Boris
Boris
There might be some merit to that. Some studies, (I wish I had a link
but a Google search will probably turn up a bunch pro and con), have
show that in many cases intersections are safer with fewer lights, and
signs. Drivers are more cautious entering, they don't have a false
sense of security.
However I'll answer on point. Your example is a straw man. The
benefit from street lights and other traffic control improvements
accrue to all drivers and most pedestrians, pretty much all of society,
pretty much directly.
The only thing everyone gains from this is a good feeling, that we've
/done/ /something/. Which is still likely to a.) not solve the problem,
I believe in the idiocy of dedicated idiots, and b.) cause more had
wringing when it doesn't work. I know everyone can be and Idiot about
something sometimes. Hell I'm an idiot more than most, (someday I'll
tell the story of how I ran over my own dog. He survived...), but I
don't expect society to save me from my idiocy, because it can't!
To lose a child this way is a triple tradidgy, first for the child who
died a horrible death, second to the parent, who will feel the grief and
guilt for the rest of their life, and third for the rest of us who will
empathise with both. But we have to recognize that life is dangerous.
We cannot guarantee perfect safety, to all people at all times. We
can't afford it either financially or more importantly for the sake of
the individual's spirit. To even attempt to do so is a fools errand.
Somebody's got to say stop somewhere.
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PESO -- Jack; A Mugshot.
This is in the vein of my flowers past their prime series, it's mostly
forgettable, but the beat up trillium from a couple of years ago was one
one, and so was the beat up Sunflower some may remember.
This Jack in the Pulpit was in pretty deep shade so I used a bit of fill
flash.
When I got around to processing it the fact that Jack seemed to have
pulled a veil over his head, and accentuating the on camera flash made
it look a bit like flower photography as WeeGee would have practiced it,
struck my fancy.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20jackamugshot.html
and for the WeeGee purists, BW
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20jackamugshotb%26w.html
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Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On May 30, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/30/2010 12:23 AM, Larry Colen wrote: It's a good article, but let's take a look at it. Let's assume that we could develop a system that would prevent every one of these deaths, and that it could be implemented for $10 per car. Now let's say that there are 30 million cars sold in the US each year (one car per decade per person), that means it would cost $300,000,000 to prevent these deaths. The article says that there are 30 of these deaths per year, so that's $100,000 per life saved. On the surface, that seems like it might be a reasonable cost benefit ratio. I'm certain that the parents of the kids would certainly think so. On the other hand, how many more lives could be saved by applying that third of a billion dollars to a problem that kills far more people every year? So, Larry, you say something like this: to fix this problem we need 9 digit figure in US currency. But, you say, there are other concerns that can be more beneficial (as in saving more lives), so let us *not* fix this problem, but rather apply the money elsewhere??? First of all, I don't think that mandated equipment in cars is an effective solution to this problem. I'd be willing to accept it as mandated in the baby seat. Pretty close to 100% of baby seats will be used in conjunction with babies. A much higher percentage than cars are. But then, there's the problem of leaving the baby seat in the car if it doesn't have a baby with it. Unless you can turn the device off. But, if you can turn the device off, how many people will remember to turn it on? Pardon my french here, but I say it is outright bullshit. You have a point in a sense that thought and planning need be applied here. I wonder however, what will make you change your mind? 1000 deaths per year instead of 10? Or may be 100 deaths in your state instead of none? Or may be something even more serious than that? Sense and planning should always be applied. In particular, here in Israel we have a mandatory yearly check up and some kind of tax that one has to pay for owning the vehicle (It is order of USD 250 for smaller cars and progressively more expensive for bigger cars). Add 2 bucks to the tax and averaging on 5 years of owning a car - you got your ten bucks. I reckon crying and moaning about the tax raise will be substantially bigger than the actual taxation and benefits thereof. Here in the US we have 50 years of legislation of mandated safety equipment with cars. Some of it helps, some of it doesn't, and some of it probably makes cars less safe. For example the motorized seatbelts that were popular a few years back. Every bit of it, however, adds cost, complexity and weight to cars. We also seem to have a philosophic difference on wether people are responsible for their own actions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A moment to share between a father and a young son. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 39mm ISO 12800, 1/10 sec @ f/2.8, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00041-1.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 7:00 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 5/30/2010 1:50 PM, Bob W wrote:
well frankly it doesn't deserve spending money on, unless individual car
owners choose to spend their own money on it.
It's the parents' responsibility to look after their own children, not
the responsibility of other people. If parents can't look after their
own children properly we already have methods for dealing with it.
If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go
ahead and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it.
Bob
I hear you, Bob (and others). But perhaps you could then explain me
why buckling up has been made mandatory in many countries including, I
believe, United States, Great Britain and Israel. After all, by the
same logic, it is driver's own responsibility to use the seat belt and
as such, if one is stopped by the police car for inspection and found
not wearing the seat belt, it is of no concern of the police officer,
as it has to do only with the driver's personal safety.
I am sorry, Bob, although I think I understand at least some of your
argument and the sense behind it, I don't buy it.
Boris
It shouldn't be. But I'm a libertarian, if you want to commit suicide
it's none of my concern, as long as you don't take unwilling others with
you.
The state gets to make decisions for you and eventually you end in the
position where everything not prohibited is requited. Hell even God
allows for free will.
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Re: PESO -- Jack; A Mugshot.
Actually looks a bit like me accept I'm more wrinkled. ;(
Jack
--- On Sun, 5/30/10, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO -- Jack; A Mugshot.
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 10:51 AM
This is in the vein of my flowers
past their prime series, it's mostly forgettable, but the
beat up trillium from a couple of years ago was one one, and
so was the beat up Sunflower some may remember.
This Jack in the Pulpit was in pretty deep shade so I used
a bit of fill flash.
When I got around to processing it the fact that Jack
seemed to have pulled a veil over his head, and accentuating
the on camera flash made it look a bit like flower
photography as WeeGee would have practiced it, struck my
fancy.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20jackamugshot.html
and for the WeeGee purists, BW
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20jackamugshotb%26w.html
Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm
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Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On 5/30/2010 7:49 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
On May 30, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Bob W wrote:
Bob, with all due respect to you and Larry I understood him rather differently.
He indicated, to the best of my understanding, that there are entirely
different projects that are more worthy of spending the money on. Therefore, as
far I understood his logic, this very project did not deserve real attention.
My opinion is pretty much opposite of his.
well frankly it doesn't deserve spending money on, unless individual car owners
choose to spend their own money on it.
It's the parents' responsibility to look after their own children, not the
responsibility of other people. If parents can't look after their own children
properly we already have methods for dealing with it.
If you're worried about leaving your children in the back of the car, go ahead
and buy a warning device but don't expect me to pay for it.
Of course your argument can be extended. You've already paid for the airbags
and seat bels in his car so that he'll be protected in case he hits something.
And you've paid for that buzzer that tells him his lights are on, in case he
forgets to shut them off. In fact, there are numerous devices in cars, many of
them mandated by regulation, that we all pay for. But in the end we don't
really pay in full. Implementation of new technology creates jobs. Jobs
generate revenue that goes back to the population.
That's the same arguement that if someone throws a brick through a shop
window, it's a good thing. After all think of all the money spent to
repair the window. But what would the money be spent on if the window
didn't have to be replaced. What if it were invested wouldn't that
create jobs too? I'll answer for you. Yes it would. What if it were
spent on cheep booze and cigarettes, wouldn't that also create jobs?
Well, yes it would. This is the most foolish of reasons to do this.
It's not like we're creating a new technology, all we're doing is
forcing people to buy a product they don't need and don't want.
The buzzer is annoying, if you leave your lights on, you'll drain your
battery, and need a jump start, that buzzer takes jobs away from service
stations and work away from tow truck drivers. They should be illegal!
Bob
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Re: PESO - Bonding Moment
Warmed by the both the fire and Dad's lap. Tender moment nicely caught, Bruce! Jack --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: PESO - Bonding Moment To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 10:56 AM A moment to share between a father and a young son. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 39mm ISO 12800, 1/10 sec @ f/2.8, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00041-1.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PAW21 - Another wet bike
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Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten and other crap
Win98 still runs on DOS.
On 5/30/2010 1:11 PM, David Parsons wrote:
You can't get to DOS in Windows. You can open a command line window
by typing CMD in the Run from the Start button.
Windows no longer runs on top of DOS.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape
update... but forget that.
I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files
to an external drive, putting the files
on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it...
I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows...
what I've forgotten how to do is
toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do.
and then get back to windows.
Thats the first question...
The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it
is about 79 mgscan't open it
on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't
know how or if.
I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old
sent file... though I'm guessing it had
something to do with it being too large, too...
anyone?
Of course, write me off list and many thanks
ann
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Re: DOF Preview on PZ-1p with an 'A' lens??
IIRC DOF preview on the PZ-1p only worked properly with the aperture off
A, the MZ/ZX 3/5n did a proper DOF preview in A mode. I don't know
about any of the others but that's your problem.
On 5/30/2010 11:30 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
I'm shooting a school assignment with the PZ-1p, a SMCPA 24mm f/2.8 lens.
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/ultra-wide/A24f2.8.html
I have to take three photos up close personal of 36 persons who I
don't know (not friends, not family, not fellow students ... strangers).
The assignment specifies FILM and off camera flash using a Vivitar
285HV set to yellow (shoe mounted radio trigger radio slave
hotshoe). The instructor states the Vivitar 285HV automatic exposure
on yellow will provide proper illumination for f/4.
The lens is at 'A', with the camera in hyper-manual mode with the
aperture set at f/4. Ambient light metered with a Sekonic L-408 the
shutter speed set 1 stop faster than metered, i.e. meter reads f/4 @
1/30 sec, the shutter is set to 1/60 sec.
On the third roll of film (after 22nd subject), I used the DOF preview
button on the PZ-1p to see how much DOF I was getting. To my surprise,
when I pressed the DOF preview the lens stops all the way down to f/22.
Do you think the camera has been stopping down to f/22 during taking,
or is this an anomaly affecting only the DOF preview. The earliest I
can get the film processed is Monday.
Is that a problem with the lens, with the camera, or with the
combination of lens and camera?
And whoever was offering the PZ-1p a couple days ago, please email me
off list. Looks like I may be in the market. I might could use my LX
or K-1000, but I need the 1/250 sync speed.
In the meantime I've set the lens manually to f/4 and setting the
shutter speed using hyper-manual. I will shoot additional subjects to
back stop myself in case the first rolls turn out unusable.
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Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten and other crap
Win98 still runs?
-Adam
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM, P. J. Alling
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Win98 still runs on DOS.
On 5/30/2010 1:11 PM, David Parsons wrote:
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by typing CMD in the Run from the Start button.
Windows no longer runs on top of DOS.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape
update... but forget that.
I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the
files
to an external drive, putting the files
on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it...
I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt
-within-windows...
what I've forgotten how to do is
toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do.
and then get back to windows.
Thats the first question...
The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ...
it
is about 79 mgs can't open it
on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't
know how or if.
I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that
old
sent file... though I'm guessing it had
something to do with it being too large, too...
anyone?
Of course, write me off list and many thanks
ann
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PESO: Marching in Phoenix
We had a very large march here in Phoenix yesterday and it passed right next to my condo. Not the best view but limited by wheelchair. BTW, this is NOT a political statement! Pentax K20D, Sigma 70-300, 4-5.6 DL (I think this lens has got to go), +0.5 adjustment http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/gelewis_2010/MarchinginPhoenix1P.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW21 - Another wet bike
Fun pic! Looks like the street got flooded. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, May 30, 2010, 11:33:13 AM, you wrote: D Spring picture D http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html D K20D, DA*16-50mm, @16mm, 1/90, f/13, ISO200 D The previous PAWs are here: D http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/page7.html D DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Zombie Walk through Boston
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157624039413171/ I attended a Zombie March through downtown Boston yesterday. It was tons of fun, and highly recommended if there is one in your area. -- Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Desert Aloe, Now Ocotillo
Yes Ann, you are quite correct and it is indeed an Ocotillo, my bad. Should not have listened to the person who advised me. Yes, I had made an executive decision not to clone out that tree trunk and I will wait a bit and hope those buds erupt and make a better image next time. Thanks for your help and advice. Subject: Re: PESO: Desert Aloe Message-ID: 4c011c01.8060...@nyc.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Jerry - flowers and static subjects are fine :-) what Tom said - only some of us are mortolerant than he is of kitty cats I agree with Jack taht the black wedge is distracting, but since you point out that these blooms grow pretty much all around where you are, I'd work on getting a better shot (that is , less busy background) instead of resorting to cloning in photo shop... the blossom is lovely. but isn't that and Ocotillo blossom? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Marching in Phoenix
Maybe a bit less than full size file crisp, but may be a struggle in PP.(?) Jack --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Jerry in Arizona glewis4...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jerry in Arizona glewis4...@yahoo.com Subject: PESO: Marching in Phoenix To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 12:14 PM We had a very large march here in Phoenix yesterday and it passed right next to my condo. Not the best view but limited by wheelchair. BTW, this is NOT a political statement! Pentax K20D, Sigma 70-300, 4-5.6 DL (I think this lens has got to go), +0.5 adjustment http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/gelewis_2010/MarchinginPhoenix1P.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten and other crap
As well as it ever did. Hell, I've got hardware I use a s print
server. Win95 works fine as long as you don't ask too much of it.
On 5/30/2010 2:53 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
Win98 still runs?
-Adam
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Win98 still runs on DOS.
On 5/30/2010 1:11 PM, David Parsons wrote:
You can't get to DOS in Windows. You can open a command line window
by typing CMD in the Run from the Start button.
Windows no longer runs on top of DOS.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.comwrote:
Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape
update... but forget that.
I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the
files
to an external drive, putting the files
on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it...
I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt
-within-windows...
what I've forgotten how to do is
toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do.
and then get back to windows.
Thats the first question...
The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ...
it
is about 79 mgscan't open it
on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't
know how or if.
I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that
old
sent file... though I'm guessing it had
something to do with it being too large, too...
anyone?
Of course, write me off list and many thanks
ann
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Re: WTD - on Photoshop
On 5/30/2010 3:02 PM, Bran Everseeking wrote:
http://www.gocomics.com/wtduck/2010/05/30/
Too true, sigh.
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GESO Kaye Bohler at JJ's blues
I went to JJ's blues last night. There wasn't anyone to dance with, so I played with the camera. K-x with FA 77. The light balance at JJ's seems to have been scientifically engineered to make it impossible to get decent photos, without actually doing anything at all artistic or creative. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624167766640/ but you may find this link easier to look at http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624167766640/ As usual, it seems that once I threw away all the ones that were total trash I was left with my choice of a sharp photo, or a good moment. These were tough because she had come down off the stage, out of the light, into the crowd and the guy was about two feet from me, which is a bit close for the 77: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4653730416/in/set-72157624167766640/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4653113687/in/set-72157624167766640/ I didn't have time to bump the ISO, so I just cranked the shutter speed down enough which ended up being 1/8 second. Despite the blur, I kind of like them. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Melee
Nicely caught; but they forgot their helmets.
Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO -- Melee
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 8:29 PM
As a few may have noticed, (kind of
obviously now), I attended a Renaissance festival this
weekend. I have a few more shots that I probably will
put up as PESOs in the next day or so. This is
probably the best combat image I was able to capture.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20melee.html
Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200
f3.8~5;6
As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
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Re: PESO -- Melee
Much scenery chewing was involved, it's hard to emote while wearing a
helm, the were knocked off early in the bout. (This had about as much
connection to actual sword play as the WWF has to actual wrestling).
On 5/30/2010 3:52 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
Nicely caught; but they forgot their helmets.
Rick
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--- On Sun, 5/23/10, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
From: P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO -- Melee
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 8:29 PM
As a few may have noticed, (kind of
obviously now), I attended a Renaissance festival this
weekend. I have a few more shots that I probably will
put up as PESOs in the next day or so. This is
probably the best combat image I was able to capture.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20melee.html
Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200
f3.8~5;6
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Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten and other crap
David Parsons wrote: You can't get to DOS in Windows. You can open a command line window by typing CMD in the Run from the Start button. Windows no longer runs on top of DOS David - I CAN get to Dos... I have XP (though it is not true dos I guess) not Vista or later. However, I have two computers the old one has true Dos on it and WIndoze 98... Its kinda a file cabinet but there are Dos programs on it I need and use. anyway, Eric F and PAul Sorenson gave me the answers I needed .. how to toggle and what to use to open the clumsy file. ann On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape update... but forget that. I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files to an external drive, putting the files on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it... I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows... what I've forgotten how to do is toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do. and then get back to windows. Thats the first question... The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it is about 79 mgscan't open it on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't know how or if. I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old sent file... though I'm guessing it had something to do with it being too large, too... anyone? Of course, write me off list and many thanks ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: help RECEIVED with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten other crap
Got good info off list... So you guys can go back to sleep now :-) ann (UNLESS - someone knows how to bringback my 79 mgs of sent mail into the Netscape format that the update kinda forced me into...) Ann Sanfedele wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape update... but forget that. I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files to an external drive, putting the files on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it... I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows... what I've forgotten how to do is toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do. and then get back to windows. Thats the first question... The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it is about 79 mgscan't open it on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't know how or if. I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old sent file... though I'm guessing it had something to do with it being too large, too... anyone? Of course, write me off list and many thanks ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: help RECEIVED with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten other crap
If I did the research I could probably write a KEXX macro to do that,
but I'm not that altruistic. I think I'll go back to sleep now.
On 5/30/2010 4:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Got good info off list...
So you guys can go back to sleep now :-)
ann
(UNLESS - someone knows how to bringback my 79 mgs of sent mail into
the Netscape format that the
update kinda forced me into...)
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
wrote:
Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced
Netscape
update... but forget that.
I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying
the files
to an external drive, putting the files
on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on
it...
I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt
-within-windows...
what I've forgotten how to do is
toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need
to do.
and then get back to windows.
Thats the first question...
The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit
... it
is about 79 mgscan't open it
on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but
don't
know how or if.
I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep
that old
sent file... though I'm guessing it had
something to do with it being too large, too...
anyone?
Of course, write me off list and many thanks
ann
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Re: OT: help RECEIVED with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten other crap
P. J. Alling wrote: If I did the research I could probably write a KEXX macro to do that, but I'm not that altruistic. I think I'll go back to sleep now. LOL! sweet dreams! ann On 5/30/2010 4:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Got good info off list... So you guys can go back to sleep now :-) ann (UNLESS - someone knows how to bringback my 79 mgs of sent mail into the Netscape format that the update kinda forced me into...) Ann Sanfedele wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Ok, so I lost a whole Sh*tload of mail due to some rather forced Netscape update... but forget that. I figured out a way to get into the mail I want to see by copying the files to an external drive, putting the files on my old computer that has windoze 98 and real DOS with Kedit on it... I'm able to open the files with Kedit at the dos prompt -within-windows... what I've forgotten how to do is toggle out of windows entirely to fill screen dos... which I need to do. and then get back to windows. Thats the first question... The second problem is my 'SENT' file is merely too big to use Kedit ... it is about 79 mgscan't open it on my new computer either I'd kinda like to split it in pieces but don't know how or if. I don't know why Netscape Communicator when I updated didn't keep that old sent file... though I'm guessing it had something to do with it being too large, too... anyone? Of course, write me off list and many thanks ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars
On May 30, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On May 30, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/30/2010 12:23 AM, Larry Colen wrote: It's a good article, but let's take a look at it. Let's assume that we could develop a system that would prevent every one of these deaths, and that it could be implemented for $10 per car. Now let's say that there are 30 million cars sold in the US each year (one car per decade per person), that means it would cost $300,000,000 to prevent these deaths. The article says that there are 30 of these deaths per year, so that's $100,000 per life saved. On the surface, that seems like it might be a reasonable cost benefit ratio. I'm certain that the parents of the kids would certainly think so. On the other hand, how many more lives could be saved by applying that third of a billion dollars to a problem that kills far more people every year? So, Larry, you say something like this: to fix this problem we need 9 digit figure in US currency. But, you say, there are other concerns that can be more beneficial (as in saving more lives), so let us *not* fix this problem, but rather apply the money elsewhere??? First of all, I don't think that mandated equipment in cars is an effective solution to this problem. I'd be willing to accept it as mandated in the baby seat. Pretty close to 100% of baby seats will be used in conjunction with babies. A much higher percentage than cars are. But then, there's the problem of leaving the baby seat in the car if it doesn't have a baby with it. Unless you can turn the device off. But, if you can turn the device off, how many people will remember to turn it on? The NASA device stays in the baby seat. It's only activated when the baby is placed in the seat. It would work as an integral part of all baby seats. That's probably the best solution, assuming a solution is desirable. I assume nothing; it's my job:--). Paul Pardon my french here, but I say it is outright bullshit. You have a point in a sense that thought and planning need be applied here. I wonder however, what will make you change your mind? 1000 deaths per year instead of 10? Or may be 100 deaths in your state instead of none? Or may be something even more serious than that? Sense and planning should always be applied. In particular, here in Israel we have a mandatory yearly check up and some kind of tax that one has to pay for owning the vehicle (It is order of USD 250 for smaller cars and progressively more expensive for bigger cars). Add 2 bucks to the tax and averaging on 5 years of owning a car - you got your ten bucks. I reckon crying and moaning about the tax raise will be substantially bigger than the actual taxation and benefits thereof. Here in the US we have 50 years of legislation of mandated safety equipment with cars. Some of it helps, some of it doesn't, and some of it probably makes cars less safe. For example the motorized seatbelts that were popular a few years back. Every bit of it, however, adds cost, complexity and weight to cars. We also seem to have a philosophic difference on wether people are responsible for their own actions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
