RE: Arrived in NC

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Chris Mitchell


> > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/
> >
> >
> So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
> premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
> the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
> told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
> it...
> 

Don't worry, Chris. I forwarded it to them. What's that phrase they have
down there? "I bet you can squeal like a pig. W!"

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RE: Workflow Quandary

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Stan Halpin

> > ... if I understand things correctly, if you batch process in
> > Photoshop you end up with a second set of images (tiff or jpg)
> whereas
> > in Lightroom you just get image adjustments embedded in the DNG or as
> a
> > sidecar. Of course, it's entirely possible that I don't understand
> > things correctly
> >
> > Brian
> >
> 
> I don't know that the technical details matter much as long as you
> stick with one system, but FWIW I think your characterization of LR is
> a bit off. My understanding is that image adjustments in LR are neither
> embedded in the DNG nor saved as a sidecar. Rather, this is an SQL-type
> system where information about an image, including any adjustments
> made, is maintained in fields in the data base. If you export a file
> for additional processing in Photoshop or other program, then a sidecar
> may need to be built to carry along the relevant image info, but it is
> not needed nor used within a LR-based workflow. What you see on the
> screen at any time is an on-the-fly JPEG rendition of your image as
> modified by everything you have done to that image within LR. The image
> is off wherever you put it, and all of the information about that image
> is within the LR database system.
> 

A thousand words:


B


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RE: A Hard, Merciless Light

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Stan Halpin

> > An interesting article here for those comrades who are interested in
> the
> > history of social documentary and reportage photography:
> >  movement>
> >
> > B
> >
> 
> OK, a couple of glasses of wine later, I have read through the whole
> interview. Though I'll admit to skimming some portions.
> I am still not wild about the pretentious tone of the interviewee, but
> he is after all a museum curator so it may go with the territory.
> 
> Muttering about style aside, I did find this quite an interesting look
> at a somewhat coherent photographic movement aiming to illustrate the
> class struggle articulated mostly by Communist thinkers.
> "...groups of amateur worker-photographers were exhorted to lay bare,
> in a 'hard and merciless light', the iniquities and social ills of
> capitalism..."
> I am sorry he took a somewhat dismissive stance with respect to the
> U.S. depression-era works:
> 
> >> "... the Lewis Hine-FSA-Life magazine paradigm, which involves a
> reformist social-democrat narrative
> >> of the role of documentary as a paternalistic depiction of the
> working class and the dispossessed."
> 
> I cannot see how Dorothea Lange's photos are substantively different
> from those that illustrate the story, but I guess the point is not the
> images themselves, but rather the way in which the photographers and
> editors used those photos in shaping a social narrative.
> 

I think the main difference is that the workers are photographing themselves
and their own situation, rather than being the passive subjects of someone
else's regard.

B


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RE: Workflow Quandary

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:56 +0100, "Bob W"  wrote:
> > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> > Stan Halpin

> > I don't know that the technical details matter much as long as you
> > stick with one system, but FWIW I think your characterization of LR is
> > a bit off. My understanding is that image adjustments in LR are neither
> > embedded in the DNG nor saved as a sidecar. Rather, this is an SQL-type
> > system where information about an image, including any adjustments
> > made, is maintained in fields in the data base. If you export a file
> > for additional processing in Photoshop or other program, then a sidecar
> > may need to be built to carry along the relevant image info, but it is
> > not needed nor used within a LR-based workflow. What you see on the
> > screen at any time is an on-the-fly JPEG rendition of your image as
> > modified by everything you have done to that image within LR. The image
> > is off wherever you put it, and all of the information about that image
> > is within the LR database system.
> > 
> 
> A thousand words:
> 
> 


Ah - I see my problem.  I've had a brain explosion.



Cheers

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Re: Arrived in NC

[Cotty]

On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
>premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
>the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
>told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
>it...

Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius
steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel??

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PESO Madonna and child

[Larry Colen]

An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on 
it

Mother and child
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/

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Re: PESO Madonna and child

[Ecke PDML]

Neat. You could also call it "growth has reached the ceiling" or
"growth ceiling" for short. Beautiful catch anyway.
Thanks for sharing
Ecke

2011/6/3 Larry Colen :
> An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented 
> on it
>
> Mother and child
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/
>
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Re: PESO: paua slug

[Ecke PDML]

2011/6/2 Bruce Walker :
>
> Now, *there's* something only a mother could love. Might appeal to the
> French though: it's even wearing a little beret. :-)
>
> Nicely detailed, Alastair. Good macro.

Good macro indeed. Maybe it is a member of the Brown Berets aka Slime
Team Six =]

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Re: Arrived in NC

[Rick Womer]

Mark,

It's Friday morning.  I just checked the weather radar online.  It's not 
raining at GFM.

Something is terribly wrong.

Rick

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> From: Mark Roberts 
> Subject: Arrived in NC
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 6:56 AM
> Got in to Durham last night after
> about 13 hours of driving from
> Boston (a couple of construction delays but no major
> problems).
> Getting ready to set of for the mountains in a few
> minutes.
> 
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/
> 
> My video documentation of the trip went fairly well -
> learning about
> the video capabilities of the K5 isn't too tough - but I
> won't be able
> to put any on line for a while because my version of Adobe
> Premiere
> Pro (CS4) apparently doesn't have the codec necessary for
> dealing with
> the K5's video files. Unless I can download some kind of
> converter I'm
> going to be stuck using my little Flip Video camcorder for
> the time
> being.
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Re: Arrived in NC

[mike wilson]

On 03/06/2011 09:31, Bob W wrote:

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Chris Mitchell




http://www.robertstech.com/temp/



So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
it...



Don't worry, Chris. I forwarded it to them. What's that phrase they have
down there? "I bet you can squeal like a pig. W!"


First you have to something with your "purty mouth".

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Re: Peso Back yard 'shroom

[mike wilson]

On 03/06/2011 01:19, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:18 PM, mike wilson  wrote:


Oh, right, that's because I run Adblock Plus, which I find to be far
more effective than throwing a wining fit at the Internet.


I find Bob to be more beericose than winy.


Rye do you say that?


Ciderknow.

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Off to GFM

[Bill Owens]

We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM.
Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there.

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Re: Peso Back yard 'shroom

[Cotty]

 Oh, right, that's because I run Adblock Plus, which I find to be far
 more effective than throwing a wining fit at the Internet.

>>> I find Bob to be more beericose than winy.
>>
>> Rye do you say that?
>>
>Ciderknow.

Still wheating for a decent post in this thread.


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Re: Workflow Quandary

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 2, 2011, at 22:20, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> If you're not used to this type of editing environment, it will seem
> strange to you at first, but once you've become accustomed to how it
> works, you'll wonder how you managed to get anything done before you
> started using it. ... !

A-freakin'-men, Godfrey.  The disorientation for the first few weeks was like 
none other - but now I can hammer through 500+ RAW photos from "last night's 
show" in almost no time whatsoever.  

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Re: PESO Madonna and child

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote:

An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented on 
it

Mother and child
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/


Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should 
say that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two 
mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be "dealt with". You 
chose focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, 
well, I can see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to 
the idea.


Boris

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Re: Off to GFM

[David J Brooks]

Enjoy

Dave

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bill Owens  wrote:
> We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM.
> Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there.
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> Bill
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Re: Peso's More birds

[David J Brooks]

So do I.:-)

Dave

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Great!  I see a calendar at end of year!  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" 
> To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Petch Dianne"
> ; "Barbara Brooks" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:22 AM
> Subject: Peso's More birds
>
>
>> Toe jam
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283392
>>
>> Flaps up
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283413
>>
>> Dave
>> PS the LR 3 noise reduction works very well. Most of these shot with
>> the k10D and D FA 50-200 were at ISO 1250 or higher.
>>
>> Dave again
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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 02/06/2011 10:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, Paul,
there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS
alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a
file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph was
taken for producing a reasonably accurate geo-coordinates for the image.



Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording 
it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost 
continuous basis.
My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple 
periodically.


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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[Mat Maessen]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb
 wrote:
> Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's
> whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous
> basis.

Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
applications on the phone know where you are.

> My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
> periodically.

Incorrect.

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Re: PESO Madonna and child

[Igor Roshchin]

Fri Jun 3 10:03:29 EDT 2011
Boris Liberman wrote:

> On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote:
> > An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented 
> > on it
> >
> > Mother and child
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/
> 
> Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should 
> say that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two 
> mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be "dealt with". You 
> chose focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, 
> well, I can see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to 
> the idea.
> 
> Boris

Boris,

Do you imply that the title may have been contrived after consuming 
the photo models?
;-)

Igor


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PESO - Say Cheese!

[frank theriault]

Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence Market last weekend:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html

Those damned photographers are everywhere these days...

;-)

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO - Lilacs in the Park

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> I can smell it from here.  Love the smell of Lilacs. Ours are about gone.

Ours are late this year - they're usually not still out in June, but
here they're at about their peak just now.

Thanks for looking and commenting, and thanks to Dave, too.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Fog Rolls In

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Wow!  I've never seen anything like that, Frank.  Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, I've never seen anything quite like it, either.

Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented.

cheers,
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OT PESO - Untitled

[David Savage]

G'day All,

Another from the bodypainting shoot:



Direct link


D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish.

Enjoy,

Dave

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[David Savage]

On 3 June 2011 22:37, Mat Maessen  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb
>  wrote:
>> Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's
>> whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous
>> basis.
>
> Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
> applications on the phone know where you are.
>
>> My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
>> periodically.
>
> Incorrect.

Yeah...it sends it to Microsoft.

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb
  wrote:

Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's
whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous
basis.


Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
applications on the phone know where you are.


It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury.




My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
periodically.


Incorrect.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20057815-266.html?tag=topImage1
"Last week, researchers discovered that the iPhone has been logging and 
storing location information on users for the past year. The information 
is stored in an unencrypted file on the iPhone and also is backed up in 
an unencrypted form on computers running iTunes. The data is also sent 
to Apple."


They may have "fixed" it now that they've been caught.

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Re: PESO Madonna and child

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend
>> commented on it
>>
>> Mother and child
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/
>
> Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should say
> that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two
> mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be "dealt with". You
> chose focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, well, I
> can see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to the idea.

The title doesn't bother me.  Isn't there some species of mushroom
that has a name close to Madonna?  I just Googled "madonna mushroom"
and nothing came up, so maybe I'm off-base there.  In any event,
Google "Madonna";  the first seven items have to do with the
entertainer, and only two items on the first page don't pertain to
her, those being a university and a hospital.  The second Google page
is all about the entertainer.

So, I'm not sure who's being offended by cavalier use of the word Madonna?

I think the title's fine, as it looks like the larger mushroom is
protecting the other, much like the Blessed Mother protects her
flock...

(oops, better not go there)

;-)

Seriously, a very nice photo.  Well seen, well taken.

cheers,
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Re: OT PESO - Untitled

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:26 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Another from the bodypainting shoot:
>
> 
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> Direct link
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Very dramatic.

The paint's getting crackly.  Someone should be spraying her down to
keep things moist...

;-)

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Re: Peso's More birds

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Toe jam
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283392
>
> Flaps up
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283413

Love the second one, especially.

Are you getting model releases from these guys?

;-)

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Re: Peso Back yard 'shroom

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I have a few old pieces of wood up against some fences trying to keep
> the wild life out and the cats in.
>
> I think they have been there longer than i thought
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13299712

Lovely, delicate things.  And I'm not talking about the ads.

;-)

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Re: PESO: paua slug

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Alastair Robertson
 wrote:
> We don't see these very often - it's called a paua slug but really
> it's a snail - somehow evolution forgot to scale up the shell
> appropriately!
>
> http://flic.kr/p/9PAhd7
>
> K10D, FA100/2.8, AF360FGZ & Metz mecablitz 58 AF-1 triggered
> wirelessly, F22, IS0100, on a monopod

Glad you used a monopod.

Very good shot.

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Re: PESO: Traffic Jam

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> Looking for my shot of the spire in Dublin (which is no great shot), I came 
> across this image from my trip in 2005.  One of my favorite moments of the 
> whole week:
>
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP8384.jpg
>
> I still have a recording of what this sounded like as they all went past my 
> car.  Took about 5 minutes!
>
> (*ist-DS, 18-55 kit lens, shot in JPEG mode)

~Very~ cool shot!

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Re: PESO: Sutter Gate

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> What do you suppose...?
>
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=606

The dof's about perfect.  I also like the slight haze between the
sharp gate and the hills in the background - really "snaps" in the
subject.  Well rendered and composed.

A very nice photo.

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Re: PESO - You and Me

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
>
> "You and me"
>
> I still cannot decided which one of the two or whether it should be
> a diptych:
> http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR30757.jpg
> http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR30769.jpg
>
> You comments, suggestions, and constructive critic are welcome!

I dunno about a diptych - to me it's one or the other.  I just don't
know which one.  Love the first one - when I looked at it I thought
the second one couldn't top it.  Then I looked at #2 and saw that look
on her face - brilliant!

Tough decision, glad I don't have to make it.  They're both wonderful shots.

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Peso: Sunbather

[Steven Desjardins]

Not the best shot but it amused me:

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PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ... 

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/
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  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-02 08:56 , Tim Bray wrote:

The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how
many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera?


i am; i hope the street price is half that (and i don't have an 
applicable camera yet), but being able to map photos is very attractive; 
but then i am a geo nerd of sorts -- there are all sorts of things one 
can do with the info (the accurate timestamp would be welcome too)


i've tried geotagging without a GPS, or using a separate logger; it's 
awkward enough that i've been mostly put off of it; an integrated system 
is the way to go


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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote:

On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb

Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording
it's
whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost
continuous
basis.


Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
applications on the phone know where you are.


It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury.


it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of 
cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation 
so much faster than with GPS alone


for some reason iPhone stored a year's worth of data, and if you didn't 
encrypt your backups, you could extract it from your own backups (along 
with your all your other info)


as i understand it, Android does something similar



My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
periodically.


Incorrect.


[CNET:] "[...] The data is also sent
to Apple."

They may have "fixed" it now that they've been caught.


actual location data were never sent to Apple; the cell tower/wifi 
hotspot data has always been anonymized, and is still sent to Apple -- 
that's how the info is updated for everyone's benefit; what Apple 
"fixed" is that the data are not kept as long, are deleted when location 
services are turned off, and are encrypted even if you don't encrypt 
your own backups





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Re: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ...
>
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/
> or
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/
>
> to get to the set slideshow or set top page.
>
>
> Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated.

Well, they don't make them like that anymore, eh?

;-)

I like the set, especially the first one - beautifully composed!

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Re: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:03, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ... 
> 
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/
> or
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/
> 

Cute! 

I can't help but think of that little car that Mr. Incredible crams himself 
into in "The Incredibles"

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Re: Peso: Sunbather

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Not the best shot but it amused me:
>
> http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1319925159_smjQQjR-O-LB

Wonderfully captured!

Cats make sleeping an artform.

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Re: Off to GFM

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bill Owens  wrote:
> We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM.
> Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there.

*Sigh*

Wish I could be there, Bill.  You and Phyllis have a great time!

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb
>  wrote:
> > Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's
> > whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous
> > basis.
> 
> Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
> applications on the phone know where you are.
> 
> > My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
> > periodically.
> 
> Incorrect.
> 
> -Mat

No - he's correct.

Didn't you see the big uproar about this?

Apple turned this on as part of a software update. As a result of the details
becoming public, they added a way for a user to turn off the location gathering,
they truncated the amount of information kept on the phone, they stopped
gathering the information when the phone was turned off, and they stopped
copying that file to your computer when you synced with your iTunes library.
But as far as I know they still send the information to Apple.  Supposedly
it gets anonymised first, but I don't know how effectively that gets done.

Not that iPhones are unique in this kind of behaviour. That's valuable data
(which cell towers, wireless networks, etc., are visible from a location).
But, as Google also discovered, gathering that kind of information can be
a risky business, unless you are scrupulously careful about how you do it.


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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:33:23AM -0600, steve harley wrote:
> On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote:
> >On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:
> >>On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb
> >>>Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording
> >>>it's
> >>>whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost
> >>>continuous
> >>>basis.
> >>
> >>Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
> >>applications on the phone know where you are.
> >
> >It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury.
> 
> it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations
> of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make
> geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone


Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but
the phone did (together with a timestamp).  It was trivially easy 
to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks;
all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that.

That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their
pocket.  I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd
been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office
of a major competitor;  other people probably don't want their wife
(or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting.


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Re: OT PESO - Untitled

[mike wilson]

On 03/06/2011 17:26, David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

Another from the bodypainting shoot:



Direct link


D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish.

Enjoy,

Dave


Looks more like Artex to me.

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Re: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG

[Ken Waller]

Nicely captured.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 

Subject: PESO 2011 - 087-090 - GDG


A few snaps of a neat Nash Metropolitan seen on my walk yesterday ... 


 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/show/
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 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157626875930896/

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote:






Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but
the phone did (together with a timestamp).  It was trivially easy
to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks;
all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that.

That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their
pocket.  I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd
been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office
of a major competitor;  other people probably don't want their wife
(or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting.


There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police 
were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, 
and were able to do so wirelessly.
I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought 
of it is rather chilling.


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Re: OT PESO - Untitled

[Stan Halpin]

For some reason this got me to thinking about how much I loved playing with 
finger-paints as a kid.
Meanwhile, back at your photo, I think it is lovely! Beautiful lady, I like the 
lighting of her face. I think I would prefer to see this, though, without the 
distraction of the body paint. Maybe if she were wearing a simple round-neck 
black or dark blue blouse . . . As it is the lovely and dramatic face is 
fighting for attention with the body (paint).

stan

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> G'day All,
> 
> Another from the bodypainting shoot:
> 
> 
> 
> Direct link
> 
> 
> D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[Stan Halpin]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:11 PM, William Robb wrote:

> On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their
>> pocket.  I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd
>> been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office
>> of a major competitor;  other people probably don't want their wife
>> (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting.
>> 
>> 
> There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were 
> carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were 
> able to do so wirelessly.
> I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it 
> is rather chilling.
> 
> -- 
> 
> William Robb

It could be useful though. A couple of years ago I was trying to get back into 
the U.S. 
"Where are you coming from" the custom official asks.
"New York", I says, "I was there for a family reunion."
"How long have you been in Canada?" she asks.
""Five and a half hours" I reply. "Three hours driving and 2.5 hours sitting 
here in line."
"Out of the car smart-ass" she says. "Open all of the doors and the back of 
your vehicle."

Now if she could have read my phone's location database she would have known I 
was telling the simple truth and not being a smart-ass at all.

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[David Parsons]

All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to
by the wireless provider.  Do you really think that Verizon or AT&T
aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to,
and the time/date?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:02 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:33:23AM -0600, steve harley wrote:
>> On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote:
>> >On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote:
>> >>On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb
>> >>>Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording
>> >>>it's
>> >>>whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost
>> >>>continuous
>> >>>basis.
>> >>
>> >>Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
>> >>applications on the phone know where you are.
>> >
>> >It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury.
>>
>> it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations
>> of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make
>> geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone
>
>
> Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but
> the phone did (together with a timestamp).  It was trivially easy
> to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks;
> all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that.
>
> That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their
> pocket.  I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd
> been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office
> of a major competitor;  other people probably don't want their wife
> (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting.
>
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Re: PESO - Say Cheese!

[Jack Davis]

I'll bet someone was taking a pic of you at that moment. ;)

Jack

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> From: frank theriault 
> Subject: PESO - Say Cheese!
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:19 AM
> Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence
> Market last weekend:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html
> 
> Those damned photographers are everywhere these days...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
> 
> cheers,
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Re: PESO: Sutter Gate

[Jack Davis]

I came upon this gate, did a U-turn, found a spot to pull off the road, and 
actually set the AV to f/11 because I intended to shoot it at an angle. 
Your comments make the effort worth while, Frank.

Thanks!

Jack

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> From: frank theriault 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Sutter Gate
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:48 AM
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jack
> Davis 
> wrote:
> > What do you suppose...?
> >
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=606
> 
> The dof's about perfect.  I also like the slight haze
> between the
> sharp gate and the hills in the background - really "snaps"
> in the
> subject.  Well rendered and composed.
> 
> A very nice photo.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Peso's More birds

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:39 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Toe jam
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283392
>>
>> Flaps up
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13283413
>
> Love the second one, especially.
>
> Are you getting model releases from these guys?

Of course.

Dave
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Re: PESO - Say Cheese!

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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> I'll bet someone was taking a pic of you at that moment. ;)

I'll post that one soon.:-)

I can think of several other titles for this one Frank, based on her expression.

Dave
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> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, frank theriault  wrote:
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>> From: frank theriault 
>> Subject: PESO - Say Cheese!
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:19 AM
>> Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence
>> Market last weekend:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html
>>
>> Those damned photographers are everywhere these days...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
>>
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Re: PESO Madonna and child

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On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:03 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> On 6/3/2011 12:42, Larry Colen wrote:
>> An interpretation of one of my photos I didn't see until a friend commented 
>> on it
>> 
>> Mother and child
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324644936/
> 
> Larry, I am sorry but without disrespect or intent of offense, I should say 
> that the title is way over the top... It is a fine photograph of two 
> mushrooms with some yellow OOF object that begs to be "dealt with". You chose 
> focus point well and composition is spot on. But the title is, well, I can 
> see where it is coming from, but yet I don't subscribe to the idea.

The name of the photo was inspired by this facebook note about it:

I'm usually not inclined toward sentimental motherly stuff, but this photo by 
Larry Colen just makes me go "Awww!"

No disrespect was meant. "Madonna and child" is a commonly used title for 
"mother and child" pictures, granted, it's usually one particular mother, but 
madonna just means mother, doesn't it?

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Re: PESO Madonna and child

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:36 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> 
> 
> Seriously, a very nice photo.  Well seen, well taken.

Thanks.  A comment about the background prompted me to go back and have another 
look at the composition, and it turns out that I like the next photo in the 
series a lot better:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5324039975

Though with other things in the photo attracting attention, the motherly feel 
is diminished a lot.

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RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[Bob W]

> > I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say,
> Paul,
> > there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS
> > alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a
> > file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph
> was
> > taken for producing a reasonably accurate geo-coordinates for the
> image.
> 
> 
> Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording
> it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost
> continuous basis.
> My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
> periodically.

it isn't just iPhones - they all do it. It's why al-Qaeda don't use cell
phones - they tend to attract tomahawk missiles.

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RE: Arrived in NC

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Cotty
> 
> On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
> >premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
> >the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
> >told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
> >it...
> 
> Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius
> steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel??
> 

...and a bright red rose a-stickin' out of his hairy ass.

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RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[Bob W]

> > >It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury.
> >
> > it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations
> > of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make
> > geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone
> 
> 
> Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but
> the phone did (together with a timestamp).  It was trivially easy
> to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks;
> all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that.
> 
> That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their
> pocket.  I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd
> been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office
> of a major competitor;  other people probably don't want their wife
> (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting.

you need some decent data protection laws over there. We're very hot on them
over here, as you probably know, and we now have partner organisations based
in the US who are having to host stuff in Europe because otherwise European
clients won't deal with them because of the data protection issues you have
there.

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Re: PESO Madonna and child

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The original meaning of "my lady" is now considered "Archaic."
I don't think it ever meant "mother."

Today, it means either the Virgin Mary or the singer who claimed to be
"Like  Virgin."

Dan

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> The name of the photo was inspired by this facebook note about it:
>
> I'm usually not inclined toward sentimental motherly stuff, but this photo by 
> Larry Colen just makes me go "Awww!"
>
> No disrespect was meant. "Madonna and child" is a commonly used title for 
> "mother and child" pictures, granted, it's usually one particular mother, but 
> madonna just means mother, doesn't it?

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RE: PESO Madonna and child

[Bob W]

> No disrespect was meant. "Madonna and child" is a commonly used title
> for "mother and child" pictures, granted, it's usually one particular
> mother, but madonna just means mother, doesn't it?
> 

madonna means 'my lady', as in Madonna (short form = Mona) Lisa. But a
Madonna & Child would always refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Fruit
of Her Womb. However, I don't see any reason for anyone to get upset about
using the term to refer to the picture, after all mushrooms, toadstools and
assorted fungi and sporey things are also creations of the Good Lord and
deserving of his all-embracing love and the prayers of the faithful, and no
doubt the Holy Mother in her merciful wisdom intercedes for them and other
fruits of the forest floor just as she does for the descendants of
tree-dwelling apes.

I don't imagine Boris was upset about it. I interpreted his comment as
thinking the title was just a bit overblown really.

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Re: PESO - Fog Rolls In

[Bulent Celasun]

Frank,
I liked the image in spite of the already mentioned blemishes.
Also, the idea of flipping either the upper or the lower part of the
image (left to right) came to my mind.
Should be easy especially with a noisy original (markings will be
easier to hide).
Of course it may be an extreme case of manipulation.  If you are
against it by definition; no one can argue :)
Still, the result can look even better than the present one (piece of
land on one side, most of the cloud on the other).

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2011/6/1 frank theriault :
> I posted this on my colour photoblog last week, and because it's
> technically lacking (noise, purple fringing, etc.) I didn't post it
> on-list.  However today I've changed my mind.  Despite the technical
> limitations, I think it's a kind of cool pic.  I saw this cloud
> rolling across the lake:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/fog-rolls-in.html
>
> I thought it was moving right to left (that would be east) but about
> two minutes after I took this (and a few other) photos of it, it was
> over me, it was foggy and raining like hell.  I put the camera away
> and went ("ran") home.
>
> I just thought it as an interesting looking cloud, and still do.
>
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
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Re: Arrived in NC

[Steven Desjardins]

That was pretty good Mark.  I have a very short attention span with
video but I actually enjoyed that. You have a career as a narrator.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Cotty
>>
>> On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> >So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
>> >premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
>> >the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
>> >told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
>> >it...
>>
>> Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius
>> steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel??
>>
>
> ...and a bright red rose a-stickin' out of his hairy ass.
>
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Re: Off to GFM

[Steven Desjardins]

Enjoy Bill.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bill Owens  wrote:
> We'll be leaving in an hour or two for our annual trip to GFM.
> Looking forward to seeing old and new friends there.
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Re: PESO - Say Cheese!

[Steven Desjardins]

"I hate the ing camera".  Great catch.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:43 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> I'll bet someone was taking a pic of you at that moment. ;)
>
> I'll post that one soon.:-)
>
> I can think of several other titles for this one Frank, based on her 
> expression.
>
> Dave
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, frank theriault  wrote:
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>>> From: frank theriault 
>>> Subject: PESO - Say Cheese!
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:19 AM
>>> Taken at Toronto's St. Lawrence
>>> Market last weekend:
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/06/say-cheese.html
>>>
>>> Those damned photographers are everywhere these days...
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> frank
>>>
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Re: Workflow Quandary

[Bulent Celasun]

Ecke,

Shouldn't the Zen Way be like this:
I have a life, a work and a flow?

Perhaps I missed the question but ;)

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2011/5/31 Ecke PDML :
> 2011/5/31 Brian Walters :
>>
>> In summary - if you shoot RAW exclusively (or mainly), how do you manage
>> the workflow and still have a life??
>
> I chose the Zen way. I have neither a life nor a workflow.
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Re: I despise Sigma for discrimination

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 1/6/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Sigma? Who cares?
> 
> Mark!!

For sum.


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Good and bad filters

[David Parsons]

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/06/good-times-with-bad-filters

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

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On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:27:58PM -0400, David Parsons wrote:
> All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to
> by the wireless provider.  Do you really think that Verizon or AT&T
> aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to,
> and the time/date?

No.  But AFAIK thy don't (and, in fact, can't) do that if the phone isn't
transmitting - they don't know it is there.

(Furthermore, getting that information from AT&T or Verizon is quite a
bit harder than simply downloading an unencrypted file from the phone.)

One of the issues with the iPhone was that (according to some folks) it
keeps track of which towers it can see, even if the phone is switched off.

The question I can't answer is whether turning off the phone disables all
wireless capability, or just the transmitter side.  I'm pretty sure that
transmit is turned off - the FAA would insist on that - but a passive
receiver in standby mode isn't going to require a lot of power.


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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[Tim Bray]

Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to
another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where
to route incoming calls.  So it is absolutely the case that your phone
company knows where you are and where you've been.  Here are a bunch
of questions that I bet you don't know the answer to:

- do they keep that info?
- for how long?
- if a law-enforcement agency calls up and asks for it, unofficially,
no warrant, do they cough it up?
- if a divorce lawyer calls and asks, can he/she get it?

I'm a lot more worried about telephone companies than I am about
mobile-industry players like Apple. -Tim

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:27:58PM -0400, David Parsons wrote:
>> All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to
>> by the wireless provider.  Do you really think that Verizon or AT&T
>> aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to,
>> and the time/date?
>
> No.  But AFAIK thy don't (and, in fact, can't) do that if the phone isn't
> transmitting - they don't know it is there.
>
> (Furthermore, getting that information from AT&T or Verizon is quite a
> bit harder than simply downloading an unencrypted file from the phone.)
>
> One of the issues with the iPhone was that (according to some folks) it
> keeps track of which towers it can see, even if the phone is switched off.
>
> The question I can't answer is whether turning off the phone disables all
> wireless capability, or just the transmitter side.  I'm pretty sure that
> transmit is turned off - the FAA would insist on that - but a passive
> receiver in standby mode isn't going to require a lot of power.
>
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Re: OT PESO - Untitled

[Bob Sullivan]

Agreed

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> For some reason this got me to thinking about how much I loved playing with 
> finger-paints as a kid.
> Meanwhile, back at your photo, I think it is lovely! Beautiful lady, I like 
> the lighting of her face. I think I would prefer to see this, though, without 
> the distraction of the body paint. Maybe if she were wearing a simple 
> round-neck black or dark blue blouse . . . As it is the lovely and dramatic 
> face is fighting for attention with the body (paint).
>
> stan
>
> On Jun 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, David Savage wrote:
>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Another from the bodypainting shoot:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link
>> 
>>
>> D700, AF-D 85mm f1.4, 1/125 @ f8, ISO 100. Singled gridded beauty dish.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Dave
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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:04:45PM -0700, Tim Bray wrote:
> Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to
> another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where
> to route incoming calls.

But, again, only when I have the phone on.

That's why it takes a measurable amount of time to get service (and
even to find out what provider serves your area) at initial power on.

When I turn the phone off, none of that communication is necessary.

Note that I mean "powered down" as much as possible; I don't mean
simply having hung up the phone so no calls are active. The phone
company absolutely does not need to have this information until such
time as I turn the phone on again - all calls get routed to voice
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Re: Arrived in NC

[Mark Roberts]

[Default] On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 23:38:49 +0100, Cotty 
wrote:

>On 2/6/11, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> For now, I've done a clip taken whith my liffle standard def Flip
>>Video camera.
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gecVBPXegM8
>
>BRILLIANT!!!
>
>Mark for God sake take the camera out of the car and film as you greet
>people etc - love watching it :)

Missed most of sign-in today because I was preparing a presentation
Doug and I are giving tonight. Sort of last minute thing.

I got the entire drive up the Grandfather Mountain Road to Linville
Peak. I may have that on ine tomorrow.

I attached the video cam to my backpack harness and recorded my entire
hike to Atic Window Peak yesterday. It'll take some time to edit it
down to a tolerable length but I think it'll be pretty cool when done.

I'll try to get some of tonight's proceedings on video. There are some
significant events and changes afoot.

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Re: Arrived in NC

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[Default] On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:58:53 +0100, Chris Mitchell
 wrote:

>So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
>premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
>the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
>told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
>it...

Chris, this is North Carolina: If I'd been driving with a camera in
one hand and a gun in the other it probably would have been legal.


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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-03 11:11 , William Robb wrote:

There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police
were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices,
and were able to do so wirelessly.
I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought
of it is rather chilling.


that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI 
has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; 
doesn't matter what OS your phone runs



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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-03 10:49 , John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote:

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb
  wrote:

Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's
whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous
basis.


Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
applications on the phone know where you are.


My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
periodically.


Incorrect.

-Mat


No - he's correct.


William's statement was incorrect because it doesn't send the phone's 
location per se, it sends crowd-sourced, anonymized data to continuously 
update the hotspot/tower info, my which the reliability of the location 
system is maintained



Didn't you see the big uproar about this?


yes quite a tempest ...


Apple turned this on as part of a software update. As a result of the details
becoming public, they added a way for a user to turn off the location gathering,


one could always turn off location gathering; the update now clears the 
location cache when location services is turned off



they truncated the amount of information kept on the phone, they stopped
gathering the information when the phone was turned off,


no information is gathered when the phone is off -- off is really off


and they stopped
copying that file to your computer when you synced with your iTunes library.


its still synced, it's just now encrypted whether you choose to encrypt 
your backups or not


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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-03 11:02 , John Francis wrote:

Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but
the phone did (together with a timestamp).  It was trivially easy
to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks;
all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that.


my rebuttal of specific points stands; the phone didn't store it's own 
location per se, but someone with access to the phone, or the backups if 
encryption were off, could extrapolate general whereabouts of the phone 
over time


not sure what Android is doing to address the similar criticism of their 
location cache



That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their
pocket.  I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd
been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office
of a major competitor;


if your employer is probing your phone in such ways, you have bigger 
problems


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Just Dodged a Bullet

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

I just spent several "enjoyable" hours recovering from a near disaster,
photographically speaking.

My backup plan for the past few years has been to store all my photos on
two external hard drives - No.1 is permanently attached to the computer
and No.2 is kept off site (sort of - since I retired, a true off site
solution is no longer practical).  I back up to No.1 almost daily and to
No.2 every couple of weeks.

Anyway, drive No.1 has been flaky for a few months now but is still
working.  I haven't been too concerned because No.2 is up to date and I
thought I'd get around to replacing No.1 when it finally carked. 
Unfortunately, when I connected No.2 last night - nothing.  Not even a
'device not recognised" message and no disk spinning sounds for the
drive case.

So there I was with all of my past 6 years of photo files on two drives,
one of which could turn up its toes at any minute and another which had
suddenly become inaccessible.  Fortunately it didn't, so all of my image
files are now 'safely' on a new external drive.  The only downside is
that I've got another few fun filled hours doing the same thing to a
second new drive.

Digital photography - bah!!

However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their
files..



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Re: Workflow Quandary

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:22 -0400, "Stan Halpin"
 wrote:
> 
> On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> > ... if I understand things correctly, if you batch process in
> > Photoshop you end up with a second set of images (tiff or jpg) whereas
> > in Lightroom you just get image adjustments embedded in the DNG or as a
> > sidecar. Of course, it's entirely possible that I don't understand
> > things correctly
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> 
> I don't know that the technical details matter much as long as you stick
> with one system, but FWIW I think your characterization of LR is a bit
> off. My understanding is that image adjustments in LR are neither
> embedded in the DNG nor saved as a sidecar. Rather, this is an SQL-type
> system where information about an image, including any adjustments made,
> is maintained in fields in the data base. If you export a file for
> additional processing in Photoshop or other program, then a sidecar may
> need to be built to carry along the relevant image info, but it is not
> needed nor used within a LR-based workflow. What you see on the screen at
> any time is an on-the-fly JPEG rendition of your image as modified by
> everything you have done to that image within LR. The image is off
> wherever you put it, and all of the information about that image is
> within the LR database system. 



Ah - thanks for that clarification.

Adobe Camera Raw allows DNG files to store metadata and image settings
directly in the DNG files so I assumed that Lightroom did the same. 
Actually, storing this data directly in the LR database is much the same
approach that Studioline uses.



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Re: Workflow Quandary

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On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:20 -0700, "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
 wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Charles Robinson 
> wrote:
> > The changes are actually embedded into the LightRoom database.  You can 
> > choose to have changes put into "sidecar" files or into the DNG files but 
> > you can also have the original files be completely left alone (like, when 
> > you point to a read-only copy of your RAW file which is on a DVD-ROM or 
> > something... you can still make the changes because you're just storing - 
> > in LR's database - a list of instructions for "what to do to this RAW file 
> > to make it come out like this when printed/uploaded/whatever")
> 
> To expand a little on what Charles wrote:
> 
> The changes, adjustments, etc that you make are instructions stored in
> the Lightroom catalog (database). The parameters for these adjustments
> can be written to the original image files (embedded into DNGs, PSDs,
> JPEGs, TIFFs, or written into .XMP sidecar files for native raw format
> originals) if you so desire, it's not necessary. Lightroom dynamically
> builds JPEG previews for use while you're editing the image files so
> you can see what the adjustment you make are doing.
> 
> When you're done editing an image, you "export" the completed work as
> a new image file ... in JPEG, TIFF or PSD format ... for use in other
> applications (for web display, printing, incorporation as part of a
> book or page layout, to send to clients, etc). These exported images
> have realized all the edits you made into actual pixel values.
> 
> You can also export a DNG file (raw file with embedded Lightroom
> processing instructions) if that suits your workflow best. Usually you
> do this to share with other applications in the Adobe Creative Suite
> for further processing or if a client requires a DNG raw file.
> 
> I make it a policy to always export finished work at least as a full
> resolution, 16bit TIFF file in ProPhoto RGB color space for my
> archives. I also output JPEG files of finished work for display on my
> website locations and on my computer/pod/pad devices.
> 
> I agree it is a good idea to download and work with Lightroom for a
> while before buying. I also suggest strongly that you obtain one of
> the several video tutorials and go through it, step by step, so that
> you fully understand the application before making a purchase
> decision.
> 
> If you're not used to this type of editing environment, it will seem
> strange to you at first, but once you've become accustomed to how it
> works, you'll wonder how you managed to get anything done before you
> started using it. ... !



Thanks for that detailed explanation Godfrey.  So Lightroom can behave
much the same as ACR regarding how image editing info is stored but I
see the advantages of storing that data directly in the LR database.

I tried the original Lightroom beta when it was first released some
years ago and decided then that it wasn't for me. I'd already been
working within Studioline at that stage and I found the Lightroom 'way'
confusing.

Time to take another look



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Re: Workflow Quandary

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On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:58 -0400, "Scott Loveless" 
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> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> >
> > My process is as follows:
> >
> > 1. put the card in the computer
> > 2. start Lightroom
> > 3. click the Import button
> 
> A bunch of other stuff
> 
> > 12. send an amusing email with links to the PDML
> >
> > Takes no time at all.
> 
> Here's mine.
> 
> 1.  put the card in the computer
> 2.  start Picasa
> 3.  click "I'm feeling lucky"
> 4.  delete the damn photo
> 5.  wonder why I bother
> 


That workflow has a lot to recommend it



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Re: Arrived in NC

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:00 -0400, "Steven Desjardins" 
wrote:
> That was pretty good Mark.  I have a very short attention span with
> video but I actually enjoyed that. You have a career as a narrator.



There was narration?

Damn - I need to keep my PC's speakers switched on.



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> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> >> Cotty
> >>
> >> On 3/6/11, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >>
> >> >So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
> >> >premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
> >> >the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
> >> >told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
> >> >it...
> >>
> >> Haven't you seen the other video where he's surfing on top of the Prius
> >> steering with a camera strap lashed to the wheel??
> >>
> >
> > ...and a bright red rose a-stickin' out of his hairy ass.
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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

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On 4 June 2011 00:37, Mat Maessen  wrote:
>
> Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the
> applications on the phone know where you are.
>
>> My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple
>> periodically.
>
> Incorrect.

As others have already stated if the "radio" is on the telco service
providers will know where the phone has been, however the GPS units in
phone can be literally turned off (in the case of all the Android
phones I've used) and there is (at least in Andriod 2.2 O/S) the
option to control the "Use wireless networks" for location in the
settings, enabling it invokes a agree/disagree consent notice. If the
phone is off there remains no provision for internal or external
tracking, and on my phone it also had an "Airplane mode" in the
wireless settings which disables all wireless settings, on existing
this mode the service providers SIM (if locked) requires unlocking. I
can however still enable GPS and create a tracking file on the device
when in "Airplane mode" if required.

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 2:04 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to
another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where
to route incoming calls.  So it is absolutely the case that your phone
company knows where you are and where you've been.  Here are a bunch
of questions that I bet you don't know the answer to:

- do they keep that info?
- for how long?
- if a law-enforcement agency calls up and asks for it, unofficially,
no warrant, do they cough it up?
- if a divorce lawyer calls and asks, can he/she get it?

I'm a lot more worried about telephone companies than I am about
mobile-industry players like Apple. -Tim

I'm not so worried about it in Canada, the CRTC and the Privacy Act seem 
to have most, if not all, of the bases covered.
I did just discover that SGI hands over data to the War Amps to 
facilitate their solicitation attempts.
I suspect that will get shut down though, as there is being a bit of a 
hue and cry about SGI breaking the privacy rules.


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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote:



that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI
has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you;
doesn't matter what OS your phone runs



I would hope that the FBI has very little access to anything to do with 
me without a warrant, and perhaps Interpol getting involved.

Although I sometimes write like you, I am not of your people.


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Re: Workflow Quandary

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, 31 May 2011 17:47 -0600, "steve harley" 
wrote:
> On 2011-05-30 16:51 , Brian Walters wrote:

> 
> > If so, isn't this just handing over the image processing
> > function to software?  Do you go back and 'tweak' the images?
> 
> this is a funny question -- perhaps you don't realize that if you shoot 
> JPEG, you are *absolutely* handing over the image processing function to 
> software (in the camera) and unlike RAW, you can never go back to the
> master


No - I understand that.  What I meant was, if you batch process a lot of
files, is there any real difference to allowing Photoshop to process the
files rather than letting the camera's software do it.  But yes, I also
see the point that you can go back to the original unprocessed file if
you shoot RAW, while with JPG you have what you have.

Thanks for the feedback Steve.




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> 
> but no, i don't choose to do major processing at import time (though it 
> is possible)
> 
> and yes i then go through and individually tweak the rendering on every 
> image that interests me; it doesn't take long on the first pass -- it's 
> non-destructive, so i just do rough adjustments to see the image's 
> potential; i can easily refine it or do multiple versions later
> 
> in this first pass i also nix a lot of duds ("9" in Aperture), and do 
> basic batch and individual tagging and "1" (one star) everything i want 
> to give a careful look; later i filter to view only images with one star 
> and above (a virtual method of culling images)
> 
> 
> > or
> >
> > Do you look at the JPG previews to decide which images are the 'Hero
> > Images' (as the late Bruce Fraser called them) and restrict RAW
> > conversion to those?
> 
> i don't do this, but it i do occasionally preview DNG images with 
> Quicklook (so a JPEG is not necessary); i do this when i need to quickly 
> extract one or a few images from a batch (usually to send someone or 
> post to a website)
> 
> 
> > If you batch convert the lot, do you convert to a lossless format (TIFF
> > or PSD)?  There doesn't seem to be much point in converting to JPG - you
> > could do that in camera.
> 
> i do no conversion per se until i export an image (and i export 
> relatively few); what format i export depends on the purpose, but it's 
> usually JPEG, sometimes TIFF or PSD
> 
> 
> > Do you archive your 'second string' images as RAW, or do you convert to
> > JPG and ditch the originals?
> 
> i automatically archive everything as DNG into both master and backup 
> locations (space is cheap)
> 
> 
> > What's the advantages of shooting RAW + JPG?
> 
> imo, very few unless you often need rapid access to JPEGs; i shot 
> RAW+JPEG for a while until i realized i was never using the JPEG and my 
> imports took longer
> 
> 
> > In summary - if you shoot RAW exclusively (or mainly), how do you manage
> > the workflow and still have a life??
> 
> it's much easier than you suggest; it does take some up-front decision 
> making and some practice; it's also worth giving one's workflow a 
> critical review now and then
> 
> using a tool like Aperture or Lightroom makes such a workflow much more 
> efficient, and offers many other benefits, but it can be done without 
> aids if you are very disciplined
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Re: Just Dodged a Bullet

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 5:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote:



However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their
files..


I use a Drobo.

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

however the GPS units in
phone can be literally turned off


Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of 
where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever.
When Tom and I were hanging out in Chicago last year, he would tell his 
Android where he wanted to go and it would draw him a map.
About the best I can get is if I want to go to Manitoba it will point me 
towards the east, but I'd better be able to find my own road.


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Research on what makes an image memorable

[Sandy Harris]

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/memorable-images-0524.html

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[Stan Halpin]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:51 PM, William Robb wrote:

> On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>> however the GPS units in
>> phone can be literally turned off
> 
> Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where 
> I actually am. Worst GPS service ever.
> When Tom and I were hanging out in Chicago last year, he would tell his 
> Android where he wanted to go and it would draw him a map.
> About the best I can get is if I want to go to Manitoba it will point me 
> towards the east, but I'd better be able to find my own road.
> 
> William Robb

You have roads up there? 

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Re: Workflow Quandary

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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

> No - I understand that.  What I meant was, if you batch process a lot of
> files, is there any real difference to allowing Photoshop to process the
> files rather than letting the camera's software do it.

I'd take LR3's noise reduction and sharpening over the camera's
built-in implementation, for one thing.

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-03 17:45 , William Robb wrote:

On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote:



that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI
has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you;
doesn't matter what OS your phone runs



I would hope that the FBI has very little access to anything to do with
me without a warrant, and perhaps Interpol getting involved.
Although I sometimes write like you, I am not of your people.


okay, if by "my people" you mean the US, you're right -- but the CIA is 
probably onto you for writing like me


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Re: Workflow Quandary

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-03 17:47 , Brian Walters wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 17:47 -0600, "steve harley"

this is a funny question -- perhaps you don't realize that if you shoot
JPEG, you are *absolutely* handing over the image processing function to
software (in the camera) and unlike RAW, you can never go back to the
master



No - I understand that.  What I meant was, if you batch process a lot of
files, is there any real difference to allowing Photoshop to process the
files rather than letting the camera's software do it.


not sure how Photoshop got mixed in here -- i thought we were talking 
about "batch processing" as an aspect of importing into Lightroom or 
Aperture


but in any case the in-camera processing is generally a set of specific 
presets with few variable settings, and is provided for a market that's 
generally not as quality-conscious as Photoshop's market; it's also 
constrained by a chipset that's much less powerful than most computers; 
by contrast in Photoshop you have more power, several orders of 
magnitude more options on the processing, and formats that are non-lossy 
and have much wider dynamic range than 8-bit JPEGs


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Re: A Hard, Merciless Light

[Stan Halpin]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 4:03 AM, Bob W wrote:

>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Stan Halpin
>> 
>> I cannot see how Dorothea Lange's photos are substantively different
>> from those that illustrate the story, but I guess the point is not the
>> images themselves, but rather the way in which the photographers and
>> editors used those photos in shaping a social narrative.
>> 
> 
> I think the main difference is that the workers are photographing themselves
> and their own situation, rather than being the passive subjects of someone
> else's regard.
> 
> B
> 
OK Bob, I can see that. And it raises a large handful of philosophical and/or 
practical issues about photography. E.g., I wonder if we should accept the 
assumption that a participant is more likely to recognize  key elements of 
their condition (suffering, poverty, hard work, old age, whatever) and thus is 
more likely to capture that in an image than an outsider. Or whether an amateur 
with no preconceptions about "art" and "composition" is more likely than a 
professional to capture good images. There is almost an 18th century argument 
that the pure natural state is better than the educated/developed one. 

So yes, I can see how the interviewee might distinguish the work from e.g. 
Lange's based on process and method. But looking at the images and the stories 
they tell, none of that really matters to the viewer, and I would prefer the 
emphasis were on how different approaches lead to similar outcomes.

stan


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Re: Arrived in NC

[Stan Halpin]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> [Default] On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:58:53 +0100, Chris Mitchell
>  wrote:
> 
>> So let's get this straight - you've just admitted to the world on the
>> premier video social networking site that you've been driving around
>> the countryside while filming with a hand held camera. You've also
>> told the world where you are. Hopefully the cops aren't monitoring
>> it...
> 
> Chris, this is North Carolina: If I'd been driving with a camera in
> one hand and a gun in the other it probably would have been legal.
> 
A gun in one hand and a beer in the other would be ok. But a camera? And you 
are not driving a pickup? They would recognize you for a troublemaker a mile 
away. Better keep a low profile . . .

stan
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Re: Just Dodged a Bullet

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

> G'day all
> 
> I just spent several "enjoyable" hours recovering from a near disaster,
> photographically speaking.
> 
> My backup plan for the past few years has been to store all my photos on
> two external hard drives - No.1 is permanently attached to the computer
> and No.2 is kept off site (sort of - since I retired, a true off site
> solution is no longer practical).  I back up to No.1 almost daily and to
> No.2 every couple of weeks.
> 
> Anyway, drive No.1 has been flaky for a few months now but is still
> working.  I haven't been too concerned because No.2 is up to date and I
> thought I'd get around to replacing No.1 when it finally carked. 
> Unfortunately, when I connected No.2 last night - nothing.  Not even a
> 'device not recognised" message and no disk spinning sounds for the
> drive case.
> 
> So there I was with all of my past 6 years of photo files on two drives,
> one of which could turn up its toes at any minute and another which had
> suddenly become inaccessible.  Fortunately it didn't, so all of my image
> files are now 'safely' on a new external drive.  The only downside is
> that I've got another few fun filled hours doing the same thing to a
> second new drive.
> 
> Digital photography - bah!!
> 
> However, this got me wondering what methods others use to backup their
> files..

I employ nine external hard drives on my desktop computer, plus a laptop and 
one external drive for that machine. The laptop's external drive is hooked up 
only for backups. . Photos that are important to me are on at least  three 
drives. Some snapshots are on only two drives. All are on site. I work at a 
home office and backing up at another site would be a major hassle. My desktop 
startup drive is backed up regularly to a second drive by Apple's Time Machine. 
My copy documents, which are my main stock in trade,  are on the desktop 
startup drive, the time machine backup, and on the hard drive of my laptop.

Paul
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> 
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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 6:11 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:






You have roads up there?

stan


One of our main roads:
http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/108149432

This one is in pretty good shape for around here:

http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/112608619

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Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 6:26 PM, steve harley wrote:






okay, if by "my people" you mean the US, you're right -- but the CIA is
probably onto you for writing like me



True story:

I was sent to the local casino a few years back to photograph the 
interior of one of the (very large) rooms.
There was some sort of card tournament going on that had attracted a lot 
of people, and my job was to get an overview shot of the room.
I had checked in with my contact at the casino, and had been given both 
a place to shoot from and a window of opportunity to get what I needed.

And left to myself.

So, there I was, with my Pentax 6x7 (this is now on topic, right?) on a 
tripod in the designated area, and the time to shoot is now.
And a security goon gets in my face and points vaguely off at someone of 
the hundreds of people down there and said that she was a CIA agent and 
she didn't want to be photographed.


It was quite surreal.
Anyway, I told him to shove off, I really didn't believe him, and even 
if I did, it wasn't my business to give a damn about foreign spies, 
check with the person I had been told to check in with (the head of 
security, it turned out) about what I was doing and when I was allowed 
to do it, and suggested that if anyone on the floor didn't want to be in 
pictures, now was a good time to go to the bathroom.
And that I now had 5 minutes to do what I was being paid to do and he 
could get the hell out of my way, and go do whatever he was supposed to 
be doing now that it was determined that hassling me wasn't going to get 
him any gold stars.


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Re: Workflow Quandary

[William Robb]

On 03/06/2011 6:46 PM, steve harley wrote:


not sure how Photoshop got mixed in here -- i thought we were talking
about "batch processing" as an aspect of importing into Lightroom or
Aperture


If nothing else, Photoshop does a very good job of batch processing.
In reality, it does exactly the same thing as Lightroom in this regard, 
only somewhat more directly.


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Re: Just Dodged a Bullet

[John Francis]

At present I back up (although not often enough) to three different
external drives plus my laptop before I delete images from the SD card.

Later on this month a friend will be sticking some machines in a rack
at a colo site here in San Jose, and he's offered me some free space
in the rack (plus a reasonable machine to stick in there). That will
let me set up a real backup of image storage at an external facility.
I'll also move my personal domain there, and set up a post office to
consolidate all those email addresses that accrete over time.


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