Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On 1 November 2012 05:51, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Lets look at the K-5. When it comes to low light work, it is absofuckinglutely amazing. In some ways it is close to on par with a D700. The D800 increases the resolution over the D700, but for low light it's not a lot better. The Canon 5d3 is pretty amazing in low light, but either of those cameras cost two, nearly three times what a K-5 does. What was the K-5s one weakness in low light? Focus. And they seem to have addressed that issue. Yeah I love the K5's IQ in low light, it's superb, so long as the subject stays pretty still (that said I am not using the green AF strobe of death either, far too distracting to my targets) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
Y'all keep harping on how much improvement the K-5 has and keep ignoring the justify the expense side of the equation. Gotta' have both. It's $1200 for an APS-C sensor 1.7MP larger than the K20D. Or $850 for the version that doesn't have the improved improvements. When I bought the second-hand K20D, I got 4.4MP over the K10D PLUS an 18-55 lens, BG-2, second battery, 1090 shutter count (exiftool -ShutterCount K20D-00061.PEF) for $600. The K20D batteries are interchangeable with the K10D, so if I pay attention to keeping batteries charged, I have plenty of spare batteries. I don't care if the AF is faster with lenses I don't have and will never buy. I don't do video. And the low light performance weather sealing, although nice to have, just aren't $1200 worth of improvement for me. I'm not saying anyone should forgo purchasing the K-5 in any of its iterations *IF that's the camera you want*. IF/when Pentax comes out with a camera I want, at a price I'm willing to pay, I will buy one. Until then the K-5 is not that camera for me. Um... John... had your glasses prescription checked lately? I've recently been reviewing images from my K10D, K-7, and K-5, and the improvement is just stunning in every way. And, it ain't the photographer! Rick ? http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ... From my perspective, as good as the K-7 K-5 were, they just didn't offer enough improvement over the K10D to justify the expense.? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
From: Larry Colen A couple of automotive analogies occur to me. car analogies are like photographs of ducks. Easy, boring and never enlightening. If you find yourself tempted to make one, you should always strongly resist the urge, and if you succumb, never, ever share them with others. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - He's Ready
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com This group is at this intersection every weekend (right next to the Muslims, as I showed in an earlier photo) and what strikes me about them is that they are very negative, very fire and brimstone in their messages. I would have thought telling everyone how merciful and loving God is would attract more followers, but what do I know? They're just being truthful about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7iaVkzTCT8 B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Fuji X100?
On 31/10/12, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: you've been using Pentax so it's just a question of getting use to a different kind of quirky Gotta be a MARK! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:11 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Larry Colen A couple of automotive analogies occur to me. First of all, complaining that the K-5 isn't full frame is like complaining that the Corvette doesn't have a V12. It also seems to me that the folks who buy a DSLR based on its automatic features are like people who buy a sports car based on its automatic transmission. (Yes, John, I know) In many ways modern automatic transmissions will outperform even a good driver with a manual transmission, but if I really wanted to get my car around the track in the least amount of time, I'd hire a professional to race it for me. Larry, I find that pretty damn offensive actually. Just so you know. If you want a V12 Corvette with an automatic transmission and a professional driver to race it for you, go for it. If you want the K-5 in any of it's multitude of incarnations, BUY ONE. It's your money, spend it how it pleases you. That's not what I want. My point is that the Vette is a fairly expensive car, just as the K-5 is a fairly expensive camera. However, it outperforms cars that cost quite a bit more than it does, and for that matter, the vast majority of people who own one. Feel free to draw any analogies to cameras that you care to. The top of the line Ferraris and Lamborghinis have V12 engines. However the number of pistons is not what makes the cars perform well. Putting a V12 in the Vette wouldn't necessarily even make it perform better. Note that the six cylinder E-type jag out performed the V12. What you just don't seem to be able to grasp is that I want something different. I don't know what you are looking for in a camera, we've had enough back and forth between various people here that I don't remember who said what. If what you really want is a big heavy point and shoot with interchangeable lenses, then judging a DSLR based on its automatic features is an entirely valid approach. Going back to the automotive analogy (Sorry Bob), what I enjoy about driving isn't so much the going fast as the doing. It's the same thing with photography. The nice thing about Pentax, especially the K-5, is that a skillful photographer can get amazing image quality out of it, arguably the best in its class. The problem, at least for some, is that it does actually take some skill to get that image quality out of it. Don't tell me I'm stupid because I don't want what you want. I'm not saying that you are stupid, and certainly not for wanting something different than I do. Boris is the only person I know who owns a K-5 and isn't completely overjoyed with its image quality. Then again, I know a lot of people who have had much better luck with their K20 or their AF540 than I have. About the only photos that I've lost that pretty much weren't blatant user error were in low light situations, when it was too dark to optically focus and I was relying on autofocus. There are two scenarios that I've lost photos in this way. One was because the autofocus area was too big, and it focused on something other than I thought it was, and they were close enough that I didn't notice it on the review image. The other was when the camera simply couldn't autofocus in such low light, and the K5-II seems to have done a lot to help that problem. When the K-7 came out, I picked up a K20 for $700, which isn't a lot less than the tail end of the K-5s are selling for. When the K20 came out, I suspect that it's list price was a lot closer to the $1200 list price of the K5-II, than the $800 street price of the K5classic. What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this side of the K100. I'm not saying that you should get a K-5, I'm just wondering what it is that it lacks that you are looking for in a new camera. There were one or two usability things, and I don't even remember what they were, that I liked better about my K20 than my K-5, but in every other way it outperforms my old K20 like night and day. The metering accuracy is improved enough to be useful. The autofocus is leagues better. Dynamic range is hugely better, so even when the preview JPEG seems blown out, I can often recover the details. And noise on the other end is spectacular. I showed pictures last week that had been underexposed by about four or five stops that I recovered perfectly usable images from. The electronic level is tremendously usable. The astrotracer is a lot of fun, even if it isn't a stock feature. When I do need to manually focus in low light, or on a macro that is awkwardly placed, using live view for focusing, and/or composition is tremendously useful, though it could be a lot better. I could go on, but predicting the demise of Pentax because the K-5 isn't good enough seems very strange
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
You can always recognize people who use complex spreadsheets to make decisions that are best left to the heart. K-5… Sigh… It's a thing of beauty. On Nov 1, 2012, at 00:21 , John Sessoms wrote: Y'all keep harping on how much improvement the K-5 has and keep ignoring the justify the expense side of the equation. Gotta' have both. It's $1200 for an APS-C sensor 1.7MP larger than the K20D. Or $850 for the version that doesn't have the improved improvements. When I bought the second-hand K20D, I got 4.4MP over the K10D PLUS an 18-55 lens, BG-2, second battery, 1090 shutter count (exiftool -ShutterCount K20D-00061.PEF) for $600. The K20D batteries are interchangeable with the K10D, so if I pay attention to keeping batteries charged, I have plenty of spare batteries. I don't care if the AF is faster with lenses I don't have and will never buy. I don't do video. And the low light performance weather sealing, although nice to have, just aren't $1200 worth of improvement for me. I'm not saying anyone should forgo purchasing the K-5 in any of its iterations *IF that's the camera you want*. IF/when Pentax comes out with a camera I want, at a price I'm willing to pay, I will buy one. Until then the K-5 is not that camera for me. Um... John... had your glasses prescription checked lately? I've recently been reviewing images from my K10D, K-7, and K-5, and the improvement is just stunning in every way. And, it ain't the photographer! Rick ? http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- Joseph McAllister jo...@mac.com It seems that I need to stop my mind running off at the fingertips. — Mike Wilson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
Larry, Yes, I have done embedded systems and have also taken products from concept to market. Been there, done that. What I have not done is taken part is the corporate shift that saw Pentax move from (1) Family Owned, to (2) Public Ownership, to (3) Hoya, to (4) Ricoh. I think that transition series was rougher on the company than anything else. If I had to place the cause for the baby steps, in my mind it would be the roller coaster corporate ride that the company has been on for -- what is it -- only around 5 years? That's a lot to manage. I do applaud the company for lasting this long through fiscal storm and even earthquake (which damaged many Japanese company's processes) without going under. Still, I am a bit of a pessimist. After all, as an American I want to see more production. :-) Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
Collin, I agree, those context switches weren't easy on them, and roller coaster corporate ride is a good way to describe what it happened (the founder family lost control when Pentax become publicly owned, which allowed Sparx to push Pentax into Hoya's arms, and finally Hoya sold them to Ricoh - every step led to, or allowed another). It was unfortunate that Hoya didn't wanted Pentax Imaging Systems Business (but the medical division), and was unwilling to invest into it; when the hostile takeover took place, they were no savior for the ISB and I wonder if Pentax would've been now in a better shape without them. But that was in the past. I hope your pessimism will be dispelled soon (think months, up to one year). Alex Sarbu On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Larry, Yes, I have done embedded systems and have also taken products from concept to market. Been there, done that. What I have not done is taken part is the corporate shift that saw Pentax move from (1) Family Owned, to (2) Public Ownership, to (3) Hoya, to (4) Ricoh. I think that transition series was rougher on the company than anything else. If I had to place the cause for the baby steps, in my mind it would be the roller coaster corporate ride that the company has been on for -- what is it -- only around 5 years? That's a lot to manage. I do applaud the company for lasting this long through fiscal storm and even earthquake (which damaged many Japanese company's processes) without going under. Still, I am a bit of a pessimist. After all, as an American I want to see more production. :-) Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/31/2012 4:39 PM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote: Such conclusions are premature; the product we saw so far (from October 2011) are Pentax-Hoya projects. There simply wasn't enough time (less than a year, including analyzing the business and formulating a plan) to build a true Pentax Ricoh camera. What they could do was to finish products already in pipeline, including ones frozen by Hoya (the DA 560mm for example). Please be patient, next year we should see more interesting stuff. Well, you may be right. I mean - it is indeed possible that Ricoh will do way better than Hoya in terms of investing money in the right areas so that next round of products from Pentax will be good. However: 1. Like Larry said - cameras and lenses are just tools. I would add that in a sense they are also toys. 2. Although great many of Pentax users that I happen to know are very loyal (even to the point of being slightly fanatical about that) to their brand of choice of photo gear, it couldn't be said that Pentax reciprocates. Just recently we had a thread about SDM failures. Previously I had an impression that SDM failures were not an issue for this club. But then it turned out that Paul's 60-250 developed this problem. Then Bob chimed in. And then it turned out that we had significantly more cases. And presently my impression is that SDM failures are not figment of imagination of PentaxForums crowd which is deemed hysterical by this community. No matter - it is a technical issue that as rumor has it Pentax resolved. However an official word would have been very helpful here, but none was produced. 3. I cannot help but notice that Pentax lenses get very little mention here. Granted the thread is about cameras, but IMO, Pentax hasn't been really innovating in terms of optical design either. They did produce the new coating - but so what... SMC is good enough. I have two contemporary developed lenses. DA 21/3.2 - and it looses out to my copy of FA 20/2.8 in terms of sharpness at wide aperture. And DA* 16-50/2.8 which is soft towards the corners in a way that just makes me hit my forehead in disbelief - this is the flagship standard fast zoom lens from the manufacturer that just 10 years prior to that was introducing absolutely stellar optics. The DA* 16-50/2.8 is good enough for me, but me is just a very pedestrian amateur. What about more serious photographers? Oh, we have Paul in our midst and Benjamin Kanarek on the PentaxForums who are doing great job with their Pentax gear. However, despite what Paul said I maintain that it is not because of gear they get their fantastic pictures, but because of them being masters of their art. 4. Comparing over last 3 years the products that were introduced to the market by all Pentax competitors large and small alike personally I think that Pentax RD has been forced into complete halt. Just compare the cameras and lenses that Olympus introduced being under extreme financial dire straits... 5. It is not to say that sky is falling and that my gear will stop working because of that. However, the consequences are that it is not trivial as it used to be to have to fix Pentax gear nowadays. Few people posted here some rather unpleasant stories that happened to them with CRIS or whomever that was. Eventually the issues were resolved, but it was people of USA - the mightiest consumer country of them all. Where I am - I don't want to start thinking about it... The sky is not falling but to say that it is business as usual would be, how to put it, narrow-sighted… A couple of points in response: My DA* 60-250 failed after more than 30,000 frames and was repaired for $183.00. It's a fabulous lens, and , I believe, at least the equal of anything available in that range. My DA* 16-50 is sharp across the frame as far as I know. I've tested it for flat frame and don't recall seeing any significant deterioration in the corners. But I'll tray that again when I have time. I shoot all my auto interiors and engines with it and have never had a complaint. Quite the opposite, in fact. Paul Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Fuji X100?
On 10/31/12 10:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I hope you enjoy it! I'll be interested to hear what you think of it after you get a chance to use it for a while. Godfrey Thanks. Will do. I'm hoping the excitement of new stuff will give me a little boost, get me out of the photo rut I feel like I'm in. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Fuji X100?
On 10/31/12 11:16 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Excellent. I hear it's quirky, but you've been using Pentax so it's just a question of getting use to a different kind of quirky. ;-) As long as it doesn't fight me every step of the way, I'll be good. But yeah, sometimes the stuff I read make me think some people have never had to deal with loading film in an LX. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Here are those Moonraker Takumars (was pentax sighting)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631902109998/ The one on the left is easy. But what exactly is the one on the right Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Here are those Moonraker Takumars (was pentax sighting)
Someone else pointed to You Only Live Twice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sashavasko/5612410202/ Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Here are those Moonraker Takumars (was pentax sighting)
On on the right is one of the ultra-rare quartz lenses. Here is someonelse discussing that exact shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sashavasko/5612410202/ On 01/11/2012, at 10:58 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631902109998/ The one on the left is easy. But what exactly is the one on the right Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Here are those Moonraker Takumars (was pentax sighting)
Oops a little too quick on the trigger there, your second message covered it. Basically a scientific lens from memory, made to order and now highly collectible. On 01/11/2012, at 11:10 PM, Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On on the right is one of the ultra-rare quartz lenses. Here is someonelse discussing that exact shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sashavasko/5612410202/ On 01/11/2012, at 10:58 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631902109998/ The one on the left is easy. But what exactly is the one on the right Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Here are those Moonraker Takumars (was pentax sighting)
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631902109998/ The one on the left is easy. But what exactly is the one on the right A Takumar 85mm f/3.5 quartz glass lens (for shooting under ultraviolet light - ordinary glass blocks most UV). My friend in NC has a Nikkor macro lens made with fluorite glass for when he wants to shoot under UV. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
Reply interspersed... On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: A couple of points in response: My DA* 60-250 failed after more than 30,000 frames and was repaired for $183.00. It's a fabulous lens, and , I believe, at least the equal of anything available in that range. Optically I totally agree with you. My brief encounter with it in Chicago (thanks, Bob!) only confirms what you say. In Israel repair prices routinely are twice as those in US. So I'd expect that fixing my DA* 16-50 would cost around USD 400. Consider this, Paul - taking it to the service center will set me down order of USD 70 only to have it checked. Granted if found to need repairs, the repair bill will take this figure out, still it is not that cheap as it is for you. Few years ago they couldn't find a replacement screen for my ZX-L. The service clerk told that they hold parts only for gear that is no older than 2-3 years... My DA* 16-50 is sharp across the frame as far as I know. I've tested it for flat frame and don't recall seeing any significant deterioration in the corners. But I'll tray that again when I have time. I shoot all my auto interiors and engines with it and have never had a complaint. Quite the opposite, in fact. I can send you some full size JPGs or DNGs if you wish. It can be soft towards the corners even way closed down... Could be it's having a centering issue... I am not much of a lens tester - I just shoot. May be this approach is not as good. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
This and like photos stir emotions which I would think could range from sympathy to disgust. Whether that justifies the taking of it would be personal to each viewer. As for me, in this particular case, I'm open to a message I've yet to receive. It does remind me of the phrase; there but for the grace of God go I. Jack - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To: PDML@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:01 PM Subject: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 I think you did a fine job in portraying the subject, and not in a humiliating way Dave Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Nov 1, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Reply interspersed... On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: A couple of points in response: My DA* 60-250 failed after more than 30,000 frames and was repaired for $183.00. It's a fabulous lens, and , I believe, at least the equal of anything available in that range. Optically I totally agree with you. My brief encounter with it in Chicago (thanks, Bob!) only confirms what you say. In Israel repair prices routinely are twice as those in US. So I'd expect that fixing my DA* 16-50 would cost around USD 400. Consider this, Paul - taking it to the service center will set me down order of USD 70 only to have it checked. Granted if found to need repairs, the repair bill will take this figure out, still it is not that cheap as it is for you. Few years ago they couldn't find a replacement screen for my ZX-L. The service clerk told that they hold parts only for gear that is no older than 2-3 years... My DA* 16-50 is sharp across the frame as far as I know. I've tested it for flat frame and don't recall seeing any significant deterioration in the corners. But I'll tray that again when I have time. I shoot all my auto interiors and engines with it and have never had a complaint. Quite the opposite, in fact. I can send you some full size JPGs or DNGs if you wish. It can be soft towards the corners even way closed down... Could be it's having a centering issue... I am not much of a lens tester - I just shoot. May be this approach is not as good. I generally don't test either, but I usually do a check of field flatness with a new or repaired lens to make sure I didn't get stuck with an incorrectly assembled unit. The only real way to test for corner sharpness is with a flat detailed surface shot wide open. It's not something that is easily observed in daily use, unless it's way out of spec. I'll shoot a brick wall of a tripod when I get a chance, but it's low on my job list right now. Paul Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
First, I'd like to say that I think that is a very powerful photograph. I puzzled for a while over Frank's question of exploitation and then puzzled a while longer on whether the question of whether something was exploitation could ever be properly judged by oneself, or others, or a poll. I decided that it comes down to the photographer's motive and that was something that no one else would be in a position to properly judge. I decided that it is good (commendable) to question oneself (as Frank seems to have done here), but I also decided that the answer can only come from one's own conscience and not from that of others. As photographers, we have choices to make constantly: from what subjects we photograph (and which we ignore) to which of our images we deem good, to which images we deem worth of showing others as representative of what we have captured and/or created. What we don't have control over is how those images are going to be interpreted or received by the viewer. A couple of threads that you may find thought-provoking on the subject: (possibly disturbing images warning) http://www.dphotographer.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4004f=17 http://morningmedia.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/questioning-photojournalism-how-true-is-truth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
Any photo can be exploitive. We're all taking advantage of what the world reveals when creating our images. Every photo exploits something. Sometimes, the homeless are easy targets and not much beyond their pitiful condition is revealed. But here, the figures rushing past in the foreground that frame the subject are transformative. They provide take the photo to another level.. I would say that this is a worthy subject that makes a statement above and beyond the condition of the subject by relating him to the rest of the world and creating an interesting image in the process. Perhaps I'm over thinking it, but I find it to be a very interesting and moving photo. Speaking of exploitation, I've grown weary of Detroit devastation porn. You don't have to have people in the pics to exploit a bad situation. Paul On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
I agree with Paul: well put. And I agree that this is an excellent shot. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Any photo can be exploitive. We're all taking advantage of what the world reveals when creating our images. Every photo exploits something. Sometimes, the homeless are easy targets and not much beyond their pitiful condition is revealed. But here, the figures rushing past in the foreground that frame the subject are transformative. They provide take the photo to another level.. I would say that this is a worthy subject that makes a statement above and beyond the condition of the subject by relating him to the rest of the world and creating an interesting image in the process. Perhaps I'm over thinking it, but I find it to be a very interesting and moving photo. Speaking of exploitation, I've grown weary of Detroit devastation porn. You don't have to have people in the pics to exploit a bad situation. Paul On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
The man is in a public place doing what he does. I don't think it is exploiting to take and post the photo. That said I don't think the picture works for me as a because I see people but I don't see their reaction to him. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 03:01:29 + (UTC) From:knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To:PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour Message-ID: 1900588578.228339.1351738900501.javamail.se...@ap0.p2.fra.samsungsocialhub.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Mt. Adams from Paradise
Thanks for commenting and looking Jack, Christine, Dan, Don, Paul, Darren, Frank, Bruce, and probably some I forgot. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
I don't think it's exploitative in the least, Frank. I like it a lot, in fact. Panhandlers/beggars as a rule *want* to be seen. You don't pick up much change in the dark corners of alleyways, after all. And they *should* be seen, if only to remind those of us who've been blessed with more in life of their existence. The image you captured conveys the man's invisibility to those who are more fortunate in spite of his placing himself where he can plainly be seen by anyone who takes the time to look. In that sense, the image is much more a commentary on the commuters than it is the beggar. So, in a way, it's the furthest thing from exploitation as far as I'm concerned. -- Walt n 10/31/2012 10:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
Frank, it is a slice of life that we often seek to ignore or avoid. I think it is important to recognize the existence of people who are in this condition, and to think about what we can and should do about it. I am involved with several programs that reach out to the homeless and the hungry. I think that any photograph or anything else that calls attention to the problem is a valuable attempt to help more of us to see the problem and consider what our response should be. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The K5-II is a real treat
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/10/31/an-incredibly-detailed-halloween-camera-pumpkin/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Istanbul
I really like the composition of the image with the girl looking towards the Mosque in the distance. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.lukaknezevicstrika.com/gallery.html (first thumbnail opens the slideshow) A good chunk of these shot with a spotmatic sp II -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Country Gentleman
Thanks, Frank! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:50 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Terrific casual portrait. Btw, the glasses must stay! They look like a part of his personality. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: October 29, 2012 10/29/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Country Gentleman http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16543039 Comments are Welcome. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Horse Country
Thanks, Frank. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:53 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Fun candid snap. ;-) cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: October 29, 2012 10/29/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Horse Country http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16543033 Comments and criticisms are welcome. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
He might not be able to work. From the expression of his eyes, it appears to me that he's blind. From: Paul Sorenson Frank - What I see here appears to be a homeless, out of work man who is virtually invisible to the passers-by. He may be down on his luck, but still retains a shred of dignity. He still cares some about his appearance, as evidenced by his trimmed beard and hair. I think the image is a statement about our times and see no reason not to display it. -p On 10/31/2012 10:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Father and Daughter
Taken at the Steeplechase Races: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16543035 Comments are appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu The K-5's 16MP Sony sensor is a huge improvement over the 14MP Samsung one. With the K20D, details in shadows were pretty much covered by huge amounts of noise; with the K-5, one can easily recover images underexposed by several stops. And you're getting not only a new sensor; but also a 100% viewfinder, much quieter shutter/mirror and many other things. So? If the K-5 has enough improvement for you to want to cough up $1200, I'm not stopping you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
There are a lot of homeless who can't work even though they have no major physical limitations. Many, especially war veterans, suffer from severe psychological problems. Most have addictions of one sort or another. Still others can't find employment in this very difficult market because of a criminal record or other history that makes employers pass them by. Very few are homeless by choice, unless that choice is driven by paranoia. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: He might not be able to work. From the expression of his eyes, it appears to me that he's blind. From: Paul Sorenson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
I generally do not like street people or beggar photos because of the exploitation factor. There seems to be a fine line between legitimate social commentary and hey, look at the funny bag lady. However I really like this shot Frank. I wouldn't want to hang it on my wall, but think it would be a good candidate for your People of Toronto book. What makes it for me is that the shot doesn't just show the man, but also the reaction of all those around him, turning their heads away, rushing on about their business. stan On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: The man is in a public place doing what he does. I don't think it is exploiting to take and post the photo. That said I don't think the picture works for me as a because I see people but I don't see their reaction to him. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 03:01:29 + (UTC) From:knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To:PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour Message-ID: 1900588578.228339.1351738900501.javamail.se...@ap0.p2.fra.samsungsocialhub.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Father and Daughter
Terrific moment, Dan! Jack - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: PESO: Father and Daughter Taken at the Steeplechase Races: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16543035 Comments are appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
You can get a k5 for $900 not $1200. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:30 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ... From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu The K-5's 16MP Sony sensor is a huge improvement over the 14MP Samsung one. With the K20D, details in shadows were pretty much covered by huge amounts of noise; with the K-5, one can easily recover images underexposed by several stops. And you're getting not only a new sensor; but also a 100% viewfinder, much quieter shutter/mirror and many other things. So? If the K-5 has enough improvement for you to want to cough up $1200, I'm not stopping you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
From: Larry Colen That's not what I want. My point is that the Vette is a fairly expensive car, just as the K-5 is a fairly expensive camera. However, it outperforms cars that cost quite a bit more than it does, and for that matter, the vast majority of people who own one. Feel free to draw any analogies to cameras that you care to. So? If a Corvette is what you want, buy one. If the K-5 is what you want, buy one. If a Ferrari, Lamborgini, Model T Ford, time traveling DeLorean or a John Deere tractor is the vehicle FOR YOU, buy one. However wonderful you think any or all of these things may be, they are not what I want, so they're not worth one single dollar out of my pocket. Your opinion is noted. It ain't what I want. Why can't you understand that when I'm going to buy something, I get to decide whether that something is worth the price? What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this side of the K100. What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered by Pentax. K-5 ain't it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Big Lens
makes my 1000mm takumar seem like a pentax-M series lens. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: Big Lens http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-Nikon-big-lens-camera.jpg Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On 31/10/2012 6:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: John Francis wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the idea of the K-5 not being a worthwhile upgrade from a K10D. Ain't that the truth! The K20D was a significant upgrade from the K10D in terms of image quality and AF. The K-7 offered little image quality benefit over the K20D but improved menus, controls and general operation. The K-5 was a big improvement on the K-7... and a quantum leap over the K10D. You do realize that a quantum change is the absolute smallest possible change? You do realize that the term Quantum Leap has entered the English language as a shorthand statement for a large jump? Merriam Webster defines it thusly: a sudden large change, development, or improvement Pedantry for the sake of pedantry is really wasteful of one's limited lifetime. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Nov 1, 2012, at 3:38 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Larry, Yes, I have done embedded systems and have also taken products from concept to market. Been there, done that. So you do understand that if PRIC needs to start from a clean slate on a project, it's going to take a while to get the job done? And that in the mean time if they can address some of the key problems with the K5 without taking too much from bigger projects that's a lot better than no improvements at all? What I have not done is taken part is the corporate shift that saw Pentax move from (1) Family Owned, to (2) Public Ownership, to (3) Hoya, to (4) Ricoh. I think that transition series was rougher on the company than anything else. If I had to place the cause for the baby steps, in my mind it would be the roller coaster corporate ride that the company has been on for -- what is it -- only around 5 years? That's a lot to manage. I do applaud the company for lasting this long through fiscal storm and even earthquake (which damaged many Japanese company's processes) without going under. Still, I am a bit of a pessimist. After all, as an American I want to see more production. :-) Yeah, there are a lot of things I'd like too. There are a lot of things I'd love to see different in the K-5, and I'd love to have the money to pay for them. In the meantime, the image quality that it can produce is amazing. I remember when I got my K-x and was blown away by how much better it was than the K20, and I hardly even use it anymore. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Istanbul
From: Luka Knezevic-Strika http://www.lukaknezevicstrika.com/gallery.html (first thumbnail opens the slideshow) A good chunk of these shot with a spotmatic sp II I can't get a slide show. I click on the thumbnail I get only one larger image. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:25 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered by Pentax. K-5 ain't it. Instead of repeating the obvious position that you get to decide how to spend you money, and vague statements about sufficent improvement, why don't you actually explain how the K-5 falls short of your expectations for the price? What features or capabilities would you be looking for in a camera of its price? Most people who have used a K-5 are impressed with its overall performance, particularly in comparison to the K10D. You are welcome to differ in your opinion, but you are being unhelpfully non-specific in communicating the criteria you use to arrive at your opinion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: So you do understand that if PRIC needs to start from a clean slate on a project, it's going to take a while to get the job done? And that in the mean time if they can address some of the key problems with the K5 without taking too much from bigger projects that's a lot better than no improvements at all? I, for one, see your point here, but one of my big frustrations with the K-5 II announcement was that they didn't bring the K-30's video improvements, including focus peaking, to the K-5 II. I thought that was the kind of incremental improvement that was a no-brainer, using technology that already exists in the product line. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this side of the K100. What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered by Pentax. K-5 ain't it. I am rather puzzled by this. I can't think of a single category in which the K-5 isn't overall a huge improvement over the K20, unless you happen to prefer the way the larger K20 fits in your hand. What improvements are you looking for? How much are you willing to pay? I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has used both a K-5 and a K20 doesn't think that it's a huge improvement. Though seriously, if your primary concern is amount of improvement for your dollar, pick up a used K-r. The only major advantages that the K20 has over it are weather sealing and user interface features (two dial wheels etc.), in just about every aspect of performance, the K-r vastly outperforms the K20. The K-x does as well, but the K-r has better performance, better features and can be picked up almost as cheaply. If you aren't in the market for a camera, there is no crime in that. I was responding to someone's message (at this point I don't remember who, my reply in this thread was to Colin) who had the tone that they wanted a new camera, but that the K-5 isn't good enough, when to my mind, the K-5 is the first DSLR Pentax has made that has been good enough, that although I want improvements, I don't feel the *need* for better performance. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: So you do understand that if PRIC needs to start from a clean slate on a project, it's going to take a while to get the job done? And that in the mean time if they can address some of the key problems with the K5 without taking too much from bigger projects that's a lot better than no improvements at all? I, for one, see your point here, but one of my big frustrations with the K-5 II announcement was that they didn't bring the K-30's video improvements, including focus peaking, to the K-5 II. I thought that was the kind of incremental improvement that was a no-brainer, using technology that already exists in the product line. That boggles me too. If the K-5 II had those improvements I'd be seriously looking to see what I could do to raise the money. Maybe the K-5 processor doesn't have the horsepower to run the code, or some needed instructions on chip. Or maybe the code is tied in to other features on the K30s shutter mechanism so that porting it to the K-5 would take a lot more work than we think it should, looking at it from the outside. I wish they'd open up the firmware for hacking, and all that stuff would be available. Though that would have disadvantages to Pentax not only for support, but from people not wanting to upgrade to new hardware when they can get a lot of the improvements in software. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Poll: Your favorite composition structure
Obviously off center horizontally and vertically. I find that thirds are often a bit much. I seem to prefer off center to the right. Alsop, I find it comfortable if the scene flows from the lower left to the upper right. Have herd it referred to the eye channel. (??) Jack - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Poll: Your favorite composition structure We are probably all familiar with the Rule of Thirds. But it's not a Law -- it's a Regulation. After all, visual appeal is about more than one structure. So the question is -- what's your favorite Structure. Mine are (1) Diagonal divisions. (2) Shallow DOF http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631903884185/ Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Father and Daughter
Thanks, Jack! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Terrific moment, Dan! Jack - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: PESO: Father and Daughter Taken at the Steeplechase Races: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16543035 Comments are appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Big Lens
Funny, I don't see a tripod or monopod or the sherpa that's supposed to come with it! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: OT: Big Lens http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-Nikon-big-lens-camera.jpg Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Your favorite composition structure
Don't really have one ! For me it all depends on the subject how I want to portray it. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net Subject: Poll: Your favorite composition structure We are probably all familiar with the Rule of Thirds. But it's not a Law -- it's a Regulation. After all, visual appeal is about more than one structure. So the question is -- what's your favorite Structure. Mine are (1) Diagonal divisions. (2) Shallow DOF http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631903884185/ Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Big Lens
Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-Nikon-big-lens-camera.jpg The interesting thing is that he's got another one, almost as big, draped over his other shoulder. Obviously he spends his spare time at the gym... -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Big Lens
I guess surfing photography pays well! On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:17 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-Nikon-big-lens-camera.jpg Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Golden Fleece
Wow, that’s an outstanding shot, made my eyes happy -T On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what kind of plant it is, but it's across the street in my neighbor's front yard and it was really luminous just before sundown yesterday. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8139189246/ K20D, F 35-135, f/5.6, 1/500 sec, ISO 200 Thoughts, comments and suggestions eagerly solicited as always. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Wet Web
Nice. Maybe crank the saturation just the tiniest bit? -T On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: A pretty post-Sandy detail, and the Q was handy: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/i-jrmt2vz/0/XL/wet-web-XL.jpg -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Big Lens
Joseph McAllister wrote: On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:17 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-Nikon-big-lens-camera.jpg I guess surfing photography pays well! Surfing photography? This guy's at a road race track. There are several cornerworkers right behind him. You can see a bit of the track in the upper right (immediately to the right of the camera body) and the retaining wall just above the lens shade of the big lens. I'll bet some other PDML'er will be able to identify the track. ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Istanbul
Wow, these days, you can tell instantly when something’s film not digital. Not sure what the give-away is. Nice pictures! -T On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.lukaknezevicstrika.com/gallery.html (first thumbnail opens the slideshow) A good chunk of these shot with a spotmatic sp II -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Your recipe for great photography tutorials
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, I couldn't resist after seeing this fantastic /sarcasm tutorial on How do I shoot the moon? which is subtitled Discover how to shoot the moon using your existing camera kit in just 3 simple steps. http://news.dphotographer.co.uk/news/uncategorized/how-do-i-shoot-the-moon/ My comment is awaiting moderation, but I doubt it will see the light of day. But you can see it here: http://www.antiqueauto.org/assets/dphotographerUKshootmoon2.png Who knew the recipe to creating great photo tutorials was so simple? LOL! -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Istanbul
Beautiful images. Liked the smell of film ;) Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2012/11/1 Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com: http://www.lukaknezevicstrika.com/gallery.html (first thumbnail opens the slideshow) A good chunk of these shot with a spotmatic sp II -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Golden Fleece
Thank you, Tim! Very kind of you to say. :) -- Walt On 11/1/2012 3:56 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Wow, that’s an outstanding shot, made my eyes happy -T On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what kind of plant it is, but it's across the street in my neighbor's front yard and it was really luminous just before sundown yesterday. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/8139189246/ K20D, F 35-135, f/5.6, 1/500 sec, ISO 200 Thoughts, comments and suggestions eagerly solicited as always. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Big Lens
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 04:57:08PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:17 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-Nikon-big-lens-camera.jpg I guess surfing photography pays well! Surfing photography? This guy's at a road race track. There are several cornerworkers right behind him. You can see a bit of the track in the upper right (immediately to the right of the camera body) and the retaining wall just above the lens shade of the big lens. I'll bet some other PDML'er will be able to identify the track. ;-) My guess was it was the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (which takes place this weekend). But who wants a zoom with a les than 1.5x zoom ratio? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Your recipe for great photography tutorials
Thanks. I've been doing it all the wrong way round. B From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy I'm sorry, I couldn't resist after seeing this fantastic /sarcasm tutorial on How do I shoot the moon? which is subtitled Discover how to shoot the moon using your existing camera kit in just 3 simple steps. http://news.dphotographer.co.uk/news/uncategorized/how-do-i-shoot-the- moon/ My comment is awaiting moderation, but I doubt it will see the light of day. But you can see it here: http://www.antiqueauto.org/assets/dphotographerUKshootmoon2.png Who knew the recipe to creating great photo tutorials was so simple? : ) : ) : ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Istanbul
Good stuff. Nice website. B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Luka Knezevic- Strika Sent: 01 November 2012 16:03 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: GESO: Istanbul http://www.lukaknezevicstrika.com/gallery.html (first thumbnail opens the slideshow) A good chunk of these shot with a spotmatic sp II -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Your recipe for great photography tutorials
Funny... But I think you're supposed to buy the magazine for a more in depth how-to. On 2 November 2012 05:10, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, I couldn't resist after seeing this fantastic /sarcasm tutorial on How do I shoot the moon? which is subtitled Discover how to shoot the moon using your existing camera kit in just 3 simple steps. http://news.dphotographer.co.uk/news/uncategorized/how-do-i-shoot-the-moon/ My comment is awaiting moderation, but I doubt it will see the light of day. But you can see it here: http://www.antiqueauto.org/assets/dphotographerUKshootmoon2.png Who knew the recipe to creating great photo tutorials was so simple? : ) : ) : ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Aftermath
Thanks, Steve, and thanks to everyone who commented and to those of you who took a look. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Sent: October 31, 2012 10/31/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Aftermath Good shot. The hoses make a great foreground. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I love the tangle of hoses and the tree firefighters in three different postures. I note that you managed to include a bicycle, of course. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:21 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: As I mentioned earlier in another thread, Toronto got off easy with Sandy. There was one major fire downtown (don't know if it was storm related) that snarled traffic in the morning. After sitting on a bus for 15 minutes in traffic I got off and walked the last kilometre to the subway. Passed the fire scene and grabbed this one of the clean up: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/aftermath.html?m=0 Looks like they had a tough night. Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Aftermath
Actually that's a bike cop and his bike. Have to admit I was looking at the firefighter in the foreground and the fellow behind him, along with the tangle of hoses. Didn't even notice the officer and his bike... Thanks for the comment, Dan! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: October 31, 2012 10/31/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Aftermath I love the tangle of hoses and the tree firefighters in three different postures. I note that you managed to include a bicycle, of course. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:21 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: As I mentioned earlier in another thread, Toronto got off easy with Sandy. There was one major fire downtown (don't know if it was storm related) that snarled traffic in the morning. After sitting on a bus for 15 minutes in traffic I got off and walked the last kilometre to the subway. Passed the fire scene and grabbed this one of the clean up: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/aftermath.html?m=0 Looks like they had a tough night. Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
October faves
Warning, spiders: November bestof photo set. Warning, spiders: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631688451606/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour
I generally do not like street people or beggar photos because of the exploitation factor. There seems to be a fine line between legitimate social commentary and hey, look at the funny bag lady. However I really like this shot Frank. I wouldn't want to hang it on my wall, but think it would be a good candidate for your People of Toronto book. What makes it for me is that the shot doesn't just show the man, but also the reaction of all those around him, turning their heads away, rushing on about their business. stan On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: The man is in a public place doing what he does. I don't think it is exploiting to take and post the photo. That said I don't think the picture works for me as a because I see people but I don't see their reaction to him. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 03:01:29 + (UTC) From:knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com To:PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Bloor Station, Rush Hour Message-ID: 1900588578.228339.1351738900501.javamail.se...@ap0.p2.fra.samsungsocialhub.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, I have a dilemma here and your opinion would help me. I do take photos of beggars from time to time but I try not to exploit them and do try to show them in a very human way. So here's today's PESO: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/10/bloor-station-rush-hour.html?m=0 Exploiting or no? It's obviously a jarring image and one that many will find uncomfortable to look at (indeed one ~should~ feel uncomfortable). However my thoughts are, firstly, that I take pictures of all sorts of people from business people to firefighters to construction workers; beggars are as much a part of a city as anyone else. Secondly, I think there's a story here that goes beyond simply, here's a beggar, let's gawk. I won't tell you what I think that story is; if the viewer can't see stories then the photo obviously isn't working (for that viewer). So if you have thoughts on this photo and whether I should display it I would love to hear them. And comments on the photo itself are welcome. Thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Given CPU horsepower
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com Let's see... - 1.5 GHz dual core processor needed, to avoid lag in menus and simple applications - battery will last ~2 hours with intensive use - applications are written in Java, i.e. slow so don't even think about image processing - an useless touch-based interface replacing hardware controls But you'll get Facebook integration, several browsers to chose from and Angry Birds. You could even make phone calls, if an application like Skype is installed - as I was told at Photokina, when looking at the Samsung Galaxy Camera ;) Best regards, Alex Sarbu Actually I thought the Samsung Galaxy Camera didn't look too bad. I don't want one, I wish it saved RAW's, and I know it's not a 'serious' camera. My son's Panasonic whatever that I got him 5 years ago has stopped displaying the image about to be captured on the LCD screen. This could be a suitable replacement. The Galaxy has the same or better zoom ability and a higher resolution. For a PS it might be OK and extremely convenient when it comes to emailing or posting images. The real disappointment is that it DOESN'T have a true phone option. It would likely be a much better camera-phone than most phone-cameras. I could replace his two devices with one. Tom C.. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
From: J.C. O'Connell You can get a k5 for $900 not $1200. If it's worth that much to you buy it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu The K-5's 16MP Sony sensor is a huge improvement over the 14MP Samsung one. With the K20D, details in shadows were pretty much covered by huge amounts of noise; with the K-5, one can easily recover images underexposed by several stops. And you're getting not only a new sensor; but also a 100% viewfinder, much quieter shutter/mirror and many other things. So? If the K-5 has enough improvement for you to want to cough up $1200, I'm not stopping you. John, I'm afraid I don't really understand your point. Is the $1200 price justified? I believe so (let's not forget this is MSRP, and will decrease in time). Is the camera significantly improved, compared with e.g. K20D? Yes, definitely. Do we have to / should we upgrade? Not necessarily. But even if we're satisfied with our old cameras, we shouldn't claim the new ones are not improved. The price is justified if the camera offers you sufficient value to induce you to buy it. I think the K-5 looks like a really great FIRST Pentax DSLR. In my case, taking into account the equipment I already have and what that equipment does for me, the price is justified if the new camera offers enough improvement over what I already have to induce me to buy it. I understand how wonderfully better the K-5 is than the K20D I have now. I understand all the groovy things the K-5 can do that I can't do with the K20D. I never claimed the camera has not been improved. I said it does not offer *ENOUGH* improvement for me to want one. The incremental increase in pixel count the better auto-focus with lenses I don't have and am not going to buy don't impress me. Nor the other improvements. The weather resistance would be nice to have but by itself does not add enough value to make me want it. What will be enough to make me buy a new camera? I don't know. I can't really tell you. I'll let you know when I find one. The K-5 ain't it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Digital Film - Wouldn't it be Great?
I realize the subject line is a misnomer. Do you remember in the late 90's early 2K's when things like this were considered a possibility, at least by some? I know this example is a deliberate joke... http://re35.net/ I've been thinking about how much and little photography has changed in the past decade and how I've changed with respect to photography because of it. I'm pained by the necessity to somehow adjust every image that I think meets my standards. Luckily or unluckily that's 1% or less of the images I take. It used to be zilch. I either made the shot or I didn't. There was no cropping, exposure adjustment, curves, saturation, etc. I think I've become a better photographer in the last decade. Have I, or is it just that I now have the ability to manipulate in a digital darkroom? Before Photoshop and film scanners I never would have dreamed of doing what I can now do. That was the bailiwick of film labs and professionals. I guess if that made THEM better photographers, in a sense, it does me as well. On the one hand I love the ability, yet on the other I despise the imposition, the innocence lost (likely perceived) of analog film, the WYSIWIG aspect for film photographers without access to a darkroom. Then there's the fact that instant review allows the latitude to correct mistakes in the field, to learn faster without a lag. More shots become potential keepers. Of course time has passed, and as we grow and learn it's natural to become better at skills we're developing. Maybe it's a combination of all these things that's brought about change. I'm not sure I'd ever have the patience, time, or funds for a wet darkroom, even though I can sense the allure. One of these days I'll sort through the reams of transparencies boxed away and find out. Am I better or am I simply changed? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Poll: Your favorite composition structure
I use the golden mean instead of the rule of thirds, especially when cropping in post. I'm also a fan of cropping to square (still using the golden mean). On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Obviously off center horizontally and vertically. I find that thirds are often a bit much. I seem to prefer off center to the right. Alsop, I find it comfortable if the scene flows from the lower left to the upper right. Have herd it referred to the eye channel. (??) Jack - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net To: pdml pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: Poll: Your favorite composition structure We are probably all familiar with the Rule of Thirds. But it's not a Law -- it's a Regulation. After all, visual appeal is about more than one structure. So the question is -- what's your favorite Structure. Mine are (1) Diagonal divisions. (2) Shallow DOF http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631903884185/ Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Digital Film - Wouldn't it be Great?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pained by the necessity to somehow adjust every image that I think meets my standards. Luckily or unluckily that's 1% or less of the images I take. It used to be zilch. I either made the shot or I didn't. There was no cropping, exposure adjustment, curves, saturation, etc. I think I've become a better photographer in the last decade. Have I, or is it just that I now have the ability to manipulate in a digital darkroom? Before Photoshop and film scanners I never would have dreamed of doing what I can now do. That was the bailiwick of film labs and professionals. I guess if that made THEM better photographers, in a sense, it does me as well. On the one hand I love the ability, yet on the other I despise the imposition, the innocence lost (likely perceived) of analog film, the WYSIWIG aspect for film photographers without access to a darkroom. They are different processes, with different mindsets involved. No matter what lab technicians can/could do with your film, you took the originals and composed the pictures. If digital post processing is a cramping your style, how about shooting JPG for a while and let the camera do the cooking. Find settings that give you results that you like and do that for a while. There is no rule that says you must use RAW and do the post processing. Simplify. I'm not sure I'd ever have the patience, time, or funds for a wet darkroom, even though I can sense the allure. I feel the same way about film, sadly. I have about 50 rolls of expired film that I've gotten from photo friends that I keep imagining that I'll use for street shooting, but I imagine they'll go to waste. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Poll: Your favorite composition structure
My favorite composition is that which looks good to my eye. No rules, no measurement. Paul On Nov 1, 2012, at 10:57 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: Why? There's nothing wrong with centering your subject. If it suits your vision, do it. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, I have a tendency to center everything. I am trying to change . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: We are probably all familiar with the Rule of Thirds. But it's not a Law -- it's a Regulation. After all, visual appeal is about more than one structure. So the question is -- what's your favorite Structure. Mine are (1) Diagonal divisions. (2) Shallow DOF http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631903884185/ Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Poll: Your favorite composition structure
Speaking for myself, the rules I cited were the basic boilerplate nearly everyone reads or is told when beginning to learn photography. They are only a guide that can be of benefit if the chosen scene allows. The complete opposite is a better option in many cases. Jack - Original Message - From: David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Poll: Your favorite composition structure Why? There's nothing wrong with centering your subject. If it suits your vision, do it. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, I have a tendency to center everything. I am trying to change . . . . Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: We are probably all familiar with the Rule of Thirds. But it's not a Law -- it's a Regulation. After all, visual appeal is about more than one structure. So the question is -- what's your favorite Structure. Mine are (1) Diagonal divisions. (2) Shallow DOF http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157631903884185/ Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com/ Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
From: Larry Colen On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this side of the K100. What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered by Pentax. K-5 ain't it. I am rather puzzled by this. I can't think of a single category in which the K-5 isn't overall a huge improvement over the K20, unless you happen to prefer the way the larger K20 fits in your hand. What improvements are you looking for? How much are you willing to pay? I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has used both a K-5 and a K20 doesn't think that it's a huge improvement. Though seriously, if your primary concern is amount of improvement for your dollar, pick up a used K-r. The only major advantages that the K20 has over it are weather sealing and user interface features (two dial wheels etc.), in just about every aspect of performance, the K-r vastly outperforms the K20. The K-x does as well, but the K-r has better performance, better features and can be picked up almost as cheaply. If you aren't in the market for a camera, there is no crime in that. I was responding to someone's message (at this point I don't remember who, my reply in this thread was to Colin) who had the tone that they wanted a new camera, but that the K-5 isn't good enough, when to my mind, the K-5 is the first DSLR Pentax has made that has been good enough, that although I want improvements, I don't feel the *need* for better performance. I have a camera that I manage to use to meet my photographic needs. I have to work a little harder sometimes to do what I want, but so far nothing I have wanted to do has proved impossible with the K20D. If Pentax were to offer a new model that was ENOUGH of an improvement over my K20D, I would probably buy one even at a $1200 - $1500 dollar price. If it was a REALLY BIG improvement in terms of giving me something I found valuable, I might be willing to pay more than that. I just thought of an automotive analogy for you. I've had my car for about three and a half years now I only have 5 payments left. It get 28 mpg. The dealer I bought it from wants me to trade it in now for a new car that gets 29 mpg, but would obligate me to another 60 months of car payments. For me, buying a K-5 is taking on another 60 months of car payments to get only a 1 mpg improvement in my gas mileage. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
Have you actually tried using a K-5 instead of just reading the specifications? On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:21 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry Colen On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this side of the K100. What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered by Pentax. K-5 ain't it. I am rather puzzled by this. I can't think of a single category in which the K-5 isn't overall a huge improvement over the K20, unless you happen to prefer the way the larger K20 fits in your hand. What improvements are you looking for? How much are you willing to pay? I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has used both a K-5 and a K20 doesn't think that it's a huge improvement. Though seriously, if your primary concern is amount of improvement for your dollar, pick up a used K-r. The only major advantages that the K20 has over it are weather sealing and user interface features (two dial wheels etc.), in just about every aspect of performance, the K-r vastly outperforms the K20. The K-x does as well, but the K-r has better performance, better features and can be picked up almost as cheaply. If you aren't in the market for a camera, there is no crime in that. I was responding to someone's message (at this point I don't remember who, my reply in this thread was to Colin) who had the tone that they wanted a new camera, but that the K-5 isn't good enough, when to my mind, the K-5 is the first DSLR Pentax has made that has been good enough, that although I want improvements, I don't feel the *need* for better performance. I have a camera that I manage to use to meet my photographic needs. I have to work a little harder sometimes to do what I want, but so far nothing I have wanted to do has proved impossible with the K20D. If Pentax were to offer a new model that was ENOUGH of an improvement over my K20D, I would probably buy one even at a $1200 - $1500 dollar price. If it was a REALLY BIG improvement in terms of giving me something I found valuable, I might be willing to pay more than that. I just thought of an automotive analogy for you. I've had my car for about three and a half years now I only have 5 payments left. It get 28 mpg. The dealer I bought it from wants me to trade it in now for a new car that gets 29 mpg, but would obligate me to another 60 months of car payments. For me, buying a K-5 is taking on another 60 months of car payments to get only a 1 mpg improvement in my gas mileage. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Your favorite composition structure
Fibonacci Spiral http://mathnexus.wwu.edu/mathpix/fibonaccihair.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
Or, come to that, ever found yourself limited by the mere 12MP of the K10D? Discounting a K5 because it only offers an additional 1.7MP over a K20D implies that the extra megapixel count is a valuable feature, which I question. I'd happily have bought my K5 even if it didn't offer more MP than the K10D; megapixel count is the least of the things I'm concerned about. On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 11:28:26PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: Have you actually tried using a K-5 instead of just reading the specifications? On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:21 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry Colen On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this side of the K100. What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered by Pentax. K-5 ain't it. I am rather puzzled by this. I can't think of a single category in which the K-5 isn't overall a huge improvement over the K20, unless you happen to prefer the way the larger K20 fits in your hand. What improvements are you looking for? How much are you willing to pay? I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has used both a K-5 and a K20 doesn't think that it's a huge improvement. Though seriously, if your primary concern is amount of improvement for your dollar, pick up a used K-r. The only major advantages that the K20 has over it are weather sealing and user interface features (two dial wheels etc.), in just about every aspect of performance, the K-r vastly outperforms the K20. The K-x does as well, but the K-r has better performance, better features and can be picked up almost as cheaply. If you aren't in the market for a camera, there is no crime in that. I was responding to someone's message (at this point I don't remember who, my reply in this thread was to Colin) who had the tone that they wanted a new camera, but that the K-5 isn't good enough, when to my mind, the K-5 is the first DSLR Pentax has made that has been good enough, that although I want improvements, I don't feel the *need* for better performance. I have a camera that I manage to use to meet my photographic needs. I have to work a little harder sometimes to do what I want, but so far nothing I have wanted to do has proved impossible with the K20D. If Pentax were to offer a new model that was ENOUGH of an improvement over my K20D, I would probably buy one even at a $1200 - $1500 dollar price. If it was a REALLY BIG improvement in terms of giving me something I found valuable, I might be willing to pay more than that. I just thought of an automotive analogy for you. I've had my car for about three and a half years now I only have 5 payments left. It get 28 mpg. The dealer I bought it from wants me to trade it in now for a new car that gets 29 mpg, but would obligate me to another 60 months of car payments. For me, buying a K-5 is taking on another 60 months of car payments to get only a 1 mpg improvement in my gas mileage. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Mt. Adams from Paradise
How come no one told me there was a stinkin' piece of dust in this image? Almost center frame. On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Taken over the Columbus Day weekend from the Paradise trail at Mt. Rainier National Park. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16555015size=lg Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Mt. Adams from Paradise
How did YOU miss it? :-P On 02/11/2012, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: How come no one told me there was a stinkin' piece of dust in this image? Almost center frame. On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Taken over the Columbus Day weekend from the Paradise trail at Mt. Rainier National Park. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16555015size=lg Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: After reading the K5xxx reviews ...
John, I am sorry but you have a little mistake here. K10D was 10MP not 12. I have upgraded from K10D to K-7 and then to K-5. Here are the advantages that K-5 has over K10D in my personal view (in random order with only very partial sense of priority): 1. Dynamic range/High ISO performance/14-bit RAW. Although rather easily saturated in bright areas, in dark areas the D.R. is remarkable. The main advantage of high D.R. is that although when the ISO goes up, the D.R goes down, since K-5 has to much to start with, it still gives you very high D.R. when you shoot in low light. This results in better color recovery/retention and generally better looking pictures. As for RAW files bitness - it is hard to tell, but anyway you get two more bits of useful recorded information - that cannot be bad. 3. 100% viewfinder. Simply very nice to know that what you see is exactly what you're going to get, no more and no less. 4. Built-in level. I have problems with getting my shots properly leveled. The level indicator is visible in the viewfinder and for me it is helpful. 5. Improved AF. It is faster and more sure of itself. Not stellar, but solid improvement over K10D. Although I seem to believe that my K-7 was a tad more operative that K-5, still the improvement cannot go unnoticed. 6. Faster anti-shake readiness. In most cases the anti-shake icon is lighted up just when the AF has arrived. With K10D and K-7 it was not so - you had to wait. 7. General ergonomics. I have rather small hands and I quite like the step down in size from K10D to K-7/K-5. Although the placement of LV button and AF point selection mode lever is such that I now simply have to take the camera off my eyes in order to change the AF point selection mode - I couldn't learn how to get it done without switching to LiveView whereupon viewfinder goes black and my mouth goes foul. 8. I have DA* 16-50/2.8 and it is weather sealed. This is probably the solid last in the list of my priorities though it is nice to have. Admittedly I will be replacing this lens with Sigma 17-70 or Sigma 18-50 mostly because of the price difference and projected use pattern. I cannot really justify so expensive a lens in my stable. 9. I find that 16MP is too many to me. The files occupy disk space and that's by the way one of the reasons I am still feeling reluctant switching to Nikon or Canon affordable FF cameras - yet another big step in disk space - means mostly wasted time in terms of backups and other management. Personally I think that 12 MP (may be Nikon D700 then?!) is absolutely sweet spot for me now. To summarize - K-5 offers a number of advantages over its predecessors. The most important being sensor/image quality. Whether it justifies spending money - I couldn't possibly tell for you. However as a person who was absolutely happy with their K10D and who presently shots (when it comes to SLR shooting) with K-5, I thought I might list few things for you. I did buy K10D, then K-7, then K-5 and then another K-5. Out of which three first cameras were bought brand news with local taxes and other niceties. The latter was bought second hand off PentaxForums. And I openly admit - I've spent too much money on camera bodies. Lesson learned though. I am likely to switch from being early adopter to very late train jumper. Ricoh GXR was introduced few years ago and although I regret not buying it earlier, I am very happy having it now. Boris On 11/2/2012 6:24 AM, John Francis wrote: Or, come to that, ever found yourself limited by the mere 12MP of the K10D? Discounting a K5 because it only offers an additional 1.7MP over a K20D implies that the extra megapixel count is a valuable feature, which I question. I'd happily have bought my K5 even if it didn't offer more MP than the K10D; megapixel count is the least of the things I'm concerned about. On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 11:28:26PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: Have you actually tried using a K-5 instead of just reading the specifications? On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:21 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry Colen On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:25 AM, John Sessoms wrote: What, specifically, are you looking for in a DSLR? Other than that it costs less than $800? In bright light it's pretty hard to see any effective difference in image quality of just about any DSLR this side of the K100. What I want is to buy a camera (if/when one ever comes along) that offers me sufficient improvement over what I have now to be worth the price - whatever that price might be. I hope that camera will be offered by Pentax. K-5 ain't it. I am rather puzzled by this. I can't think of a single category in which the K-5 isn't overall a huge improvement over the K20, unless you happen to prefer the way the larger K20 fits in your hand. What improvements are you looking for? How much are you willing to pay? I just find it hard to believe that anyone who has used
Re: Digital Film - Wouldn't it be Great?
On 01/11/2012 8:49 PM, Tom C wrote: One of these days I'll sort through the reams of transparencies boxed away and find out. Am I better or am I simply changed? You've been democratized. One of the advantages us darkroom guys had over hand it over to the lab for a picture guys was that we had the ability to make better pictures. Dodging and burning was something that any decent custom lab would do, but would they use VC paper and dodge or burn with a different contrast filter? Would they do a burn in on a colour print with a slightly altered filter pack? Digital has opened up to everyone the world of image manipulation, and has given us tools that film photographers didn't dream possible. One of these days, I need to go through the Kodachromes I shot the time we hooked up in New Denver. I still haven't looked at the darned things, and I lent out my X-Ray viewer to someone, and I don't recall who. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Poll: Your favorite composition structure
My favourite composition structure is a D cup. It's natures cantilever. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
