SMC K 30mm/2.8 vs. FA 35/2.0 lens
Hi All, I own SMC K 30mm/2.8 lens and use it for slides. But consider dslr so 45m angle would be very nice indeed. But...what about FA35/2.0 as standard lens?What about optical performance between two?Which one is sharper and has better bokeh?What about color rendition?Has anyone had both and could tell which is better?IS 30mm better than FA 28mm and SMC K28/3.5? Thank you very much for help. Greetings Alek
Re: SMC K 30mm/2.8 vs. FA 35/2.0 lens
Hi Godfrey, Thank you and sorry for the same questions. Yes I like angle of 24mm lens and plan to buy A24 to have for PZ1 and dslr when I buy it. So thank you for commnents on the lens! I own 30mm lens very happy but just wondered if FA is better. So either new FA 35mm is really better or you have maybe faulty version of 30mm, since you prefer FA 28 and 35mm and I have read that 30mm is better than any 28mm from Pentax and sometimes it is truth that used lens can be faulty a little bit. But maybe FA is really better. I must consider what to keep/sell.Manual focising is very nice for me and build quality is also better with K than FA lenses, no wonder by the way. Some say that K lenses are also great and often better than FA ones but it probably depends on sample wariations and testers. for instance I have results from Modern Photography in whicj K 50/1/4 got better results than A one in sharpness, not much but bettre and A, F, FA seems to be the same optically so it is strange. I believe that sample variations are a problem to test lesnes (like everything), just look at photodo where F is better than FA, why and FA 43 got really poor results, 28mm is not very good, worse than AIS from Nikon. Once again thank you for commenst and answers, pictures are more important!Pity I do not have my website, no free time to do this, PhD is calling...so plenty of research ahead of me. What surprice me it is the fact that on DS you could see the difference between FA 35mm and 30mm , since sensor is said to be about 50 - 60 lines per mm and resolution of above lenses is for sure higher. so probably sth wrong with your 30mm, I have a problem with M28mm, a little bit soft,maybe faulty a few years ago. Greetings, Alek PS You have very nice BW picture on website, I shoot mostly landscapes and close ups but nearly slided only and sometimes 300D Canon with kit and macro 100mm USM but I do not like a build of kit wrrr...:) On Feb 22, 2006, at 10:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I own SMC K 30mm/2.8 lens and use it for slides. But consider dslr so 45m angle would be very nice indeed. But...what about FA35/2.0 as standard lens?What about optical performance between two?Which one is sharper and has better bokeh?What about color rendition?Has anyone had both and could tell which is better?IS 30mm better than FA 28mm and SMC K28/3.5? Alex, You've asked this question on DPReview and to me personally before. Following up with my answer to you... might as well wrap them together. The K30/2.8 is a good lens. Later lenses in the focal length range are often better performers due to improvements in the optical formulae and antireflection coatings. The current FA28/2.8 AL and FA35/2 AL are superb. Better or worse? Well, the specific K30/2.8 I tried out was not a substantially better performer than the A28/2.8 that I owned at the time. The current FA28 and FA35 are much better performers. And in response to your second query to me in email: ... taking into account that the price of A24mm is not very high and that it seems to be very good lens, you prefer it over 28/35 A lenses ... Prefer is a different thing. I found the A24 to have better contrast and sharpness wide open compared to the A28/2.8 and A35/2.8. The field of view on the *ist DS body is wider, which sometimes I want/ need and other times not. BTW, all of the Pentax primes in this focal length range to date will cover a 24x36mm film format, even the DA40/2.8. That said, I don't expect a 24x36mm sensor body from Pentax any time soon, nor do I consider planning lens purchases around such a possibility to be of very high importance. I only own digital Pentax SLR cameras. What I am wooriued about it is the fact you wrote 30mm is not as good as new FA35mm one. I bought my 30mm for about 130$ so the price was very good I think in mint condition with oryginal case! If you already own the K30, and like it, what are you worrying about? There's always something better in the world, with very rare exceptions. The one I looked at was very reasonably priced but not interesting because a) it was no better than what I already had, b) didn't provide much different in way of field of view, and c) because, for me, the lack of lens mount features limits the functionality of the *ist DS. I have read different comments on Stan Halpin's site and was regarded as fantastic lens. But there was no direct comparison with 35mm lens. Especially Yoshihiko liked it very much Since the comments on Stan's site are comments by people on this mailing list, I would expect the response from here to be virtually identical to what you've already read. BTW did you ever have a chance co compare your Pentax primes with any Canon/Nikon counterparts?I just wonder if FA35/50mm etc are of similar quality like above or not. I owned and used primarily Nikon film camera equipment for over 30 years, and I have at present a Canon DSLR and four lens kit as well as
Re: slides and Roentgen rays
William, yes, he will process them in Poland so I do hope that effect of X rays will be very very small. Maybe it is better to have them in with himself instead of in bags that go separately. Alek PS BTW, did you shoot with Velvia 100?Not F. Any comments are welcome. I also wonder if scans from Provia F100 on high quality scanner and prints are better/worse than prints after interpolation from ds. For instance 8x12 inch and bigger - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: slides and Roentgen rays Hi William, Yes it is the best to buy where you are but my friend goes to Poland and plan to buy some Provia F100 films since in NY there is cheaper. I just wonder if X rays affect 100 ASA films as much He should be OK with it as carry on for the NY to Poland trip. If he can get it processed there he will be much safer, as the exposed film is much more prone to X-Ray damage. William Robb
Re: slides and Roentgen rays
so if someone carry on 100 ASA slides there should be not a problem with such machines. just a trip from NY to Poland and process of films in Poland. So films must not be checked in baggage!..Just to carry them on. Alek The Xray machines used for carry-on baggage are not a problem for ordinary photographic film (though 3200-speed film may be fogged after a few passes through). The Xray machines used for CHECKED baggage, though, are death to photographic film. Lead-lined bags are useless against them. So, make sure you carry on your film! Processed film is safe either way. Rick --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anyone know if it is still a concern or maybe special bags are necessary to avoid the problem. I mean fresh films, not processed. Please send me your opinions and sugestions how you travel (led) with slides by plane. Thank you in advance. Alek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: slides and Roentgen rays
Hi Wilson, SO if 100 ASA slides go through X rays machines and they will be carry on no problems with films? Which photo center do you recommed?Konaszewska Photo lab? And it is better to carry on that have them in luggage?Is it truth? Greetings Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anyone know if it is still a concern or maybe special bags are necessary to avoid the problem. I mean fresh films, not processed. Please send me your opinions and sugestions how you travel (led) with slides by plane. Thank you in advance. Alek I've done a lot of travelling between the UK and Polska with unexposed film, in both directions. Some films have done many passes through X-ray machines. So far, no problems. All my film travels with me rather than with my luggage. I can recommend a processor in Krakow, if you need it. mike
slides and Roentgen rays
Hello, Does anyone know if it is still a concern or maybe special bags are necessary to avoid the problem. I mean fresh films, not processed. Please send me your opinions and sugestions how you travel (led) with slides by plane. Thank you in advance. Alek
Re: slides and Roentgen rays
Hmmm, My friend from NY is going to have some 100 ASA slides (Provia F100) and we wonder if there is any possibility to overcome such problems. He is going to Poland soon. Alek USA travel: Don't pack film in your bags - heavy dosage of x-rays. Do carry film in your 'carry on' bag, in a clear plastic bag (baggie). Just put ASA 400 film thru the low dosage 'carry on' bag scanner. They will hand check ASA 800+ film if you point it out. If you are concerned about multiple exposures to x-rays, mix some ASA 800+ film into your baggie and ask for a hand check. Outside USA travel: Reasoning with the 'carry on' baggage inspectors is nearly impossible. Use digital??? Regards, Bob S. On 12/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anyone know if it is still a concern or maybe special bags are necessary to avoid the problem. I mean fresh films, not processed. Please send me your opinions and sugestions how you travel (led) with slides by plane. Thank you in advance. Alek
Re: slides and Roentgen rays
Hi William, Yes it is the best to buy where you are but my friend goes to Poland and plan to buy some Provia F100 films since in NY there is cheaper. I just wonder if X rays affect 100 ASA films as much Alek - Original Message - From: Subject: slides and Roentgen rays Hello, Does anyone know if it is still a concern or maybe special bags are necessary to avoid the problem. I mean fresh films, not processed. Please send me your opinions and sugestions how you travel (led) with slides by plane. Thank you in advance. Alek I've never thought much about lead foil bags. I've seen to much X-Ray damaged film come out of them. Best strategy is to buy your film on location, and get it processed there as well, next best is to insist on hand inspections, and take all your film as carry on. William Robb
Re: Re: Why I stick to Pentax (was: Good-bye Pentax)
In one point Bojidar is right.namely it is much easier and cheaper to find seconf hand Canon gear-great advantage! Alek Uytkownik Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:56:23 +0100 Nice to see such words! I agree with you in most points. I really doubt that for everyday shooting one get better photos with Canon. I doubt that too, but many *believes* differently. Some my friend chose Canon and zooms usually and even primes but when they look at my slides they even prefer my Pentax glass. Canon makes some great glass too, but I believe it\'s a personal thing here. They all have their characteristics. Isn\'t Canon and Nikon quite close here? High contrast, cool colour temperature? I\'ve got that impression. I believe Pentax and Minolta are closer when it comes to optical character. And I believe Pentax soon or later will come with IS and USM and there will be no difference between P and C. I believe this too. However, I can understand those who doesn\'t want to wait. Pentax has, in the past, showed a bad record when it comes to new technology. The Z-serie was great, but it took time to update it. MZ-serie was great, in the beginning, but the MZ-5n and -3 are essentially the same as the MZ-5 released in 1996. I can understand those who wants a faster development. I believe this will happen with digital, perhaps it will be too fast. :-) Anyway, two more *ist\'s are on it\'s way. I\'m sure that they will be great and having new technology, not only technology that equals the competition but actually beats them. Best wishes, Roland _ Lttare att hitta drmresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/
Re: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS
Hi Roland is right. I have just the same opinion. There is time when someone suddenly discover he is afford/needs to have sth better and also discovers that Pentax does not have USM and IS and that the prices of glass is even higher than Nikon/Canon. So even having MZS one decides to switch to C/N just for above reason. I believe Pentax should introduce IS and USM before updating their FA* lenses and reasing new Limited (maybe). What it would be a choice to have FA77/1.8 Limited with USM or Limited 70-200/2.8 USM IS ... and then to update MZS. Maybe it will happen who knows... With compatibility of old lenses, at last with A Alek Uytkownik Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:49:34 -0500 I think Bruce has a point here (and no, it\'s not on his head)... We have to remember, while we, loyal Pentax users, would love to see the brand grow and flourish, Pentax\'s target market in 35mm SLR has, I believe, always been amateur or entry level. enthusiastic amateurs as Pentax calls it. This is not a bad thing, but eventually - amateurs wants more than the el cheapo plastic le chique consumer zooms, they start to explore new areas of photography. They discover macrophotography and the novelty of extension tubes, they discover bird photography and wants a fast low cost telephoto. Or they discover that they want everything but in one package, so they discover ultra zooms. What are the options? Nikon has just released a good 24-120 with IS and USM. It\'s consumer level, it\'s not for pro\'s. Together with the consumer level F75, it makes a good travelling kit. If they want pro-technology without the price, they can buy Sigma\'s telephotos with USM - if they have a Nikon or Canon. Pro-technology, at consumer prices. And Sigma has presented IS lenses! As Pentax users, we do not have those options. Do remember that Pentax has a FA* serie that cost as the competitions best lenses, and in some cases the Pentax lenses even cost more, but the competition has USM and IS - Pentax does not. Nikon\'s 70-200 f/2.8 with USM and IS is less expensive than Pentax FA* 80-200 f/2.8 ED. One can\'t survive by only doing entry level bodies all the time, because when beginners outgrow their cameras - what should they do? Sell their gear and switch to Canon and Nikon? They\'re already doing this. The MZ-S is a fine camera, it sure is, but the lack of USM and IS means that many of the potential customers are lost. For those who buys entry level, it is better to buy Nikon or Canon because this way they can grow. They don\'t have to sell their eguipment and change brand when they discover that they need something more. Best wishes, Roland _ Hitta rtt p ntet med MSN Sk http://search.msn.se/
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
Hi Alan, So you just glued two tapes in a proper place and that is all?I do not have M135/3.5 but my brother has so I shall see on which place you did it. I wonder if SMC K 135/2.5 and SMC K 105/2.8 have the same layout of rear mount to put the tapes at the same place. ANy comments. Thank you! Alek Uytkownik Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/M135back.jpg regards, Alan Chan Cost me $5 and a few mins to gain matrix metering. :) About masking some contacts I have read. I know that Alan did so with his M135/2.8. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
And it really gives matrix? and spot with PZ1? Alek Uytkownik Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/M135back.jpg regards, Alan Chan Cost me $5 and a few mins to gain matrix metering. :) About masking some contacts I have read. I know that Alan did so with his M135/2.8. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS
HI So what dou you suggest? Alek Uytkownik Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Pentax abandoned this segment so long ago that no one thinks of Pentax when they look for high end/high tech cameras. It would take years of work (that Pentax was never willing to do) to change the perception of the brand. Most people who are fans of taking pictures, rather than camera brands, have bought the technology they want/need from whoever is selling it. I have no idea why people think that a company 1/10 the size of Canon would have the same RD budget as Canon. (RD isn\'t just paper patents: it real, tangible, physical products you can buy.) BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I also believe it is high time for realising USM and IS with support of old lenses, it should be very good step+ to give such eqipment to some pros and photojournalists just for adv. Let people see that Pentax is able to produce hi-end gear. I hope it will come true... Fan of Pentax
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
Hi About masking some contacts I have read. I know that Alan did so with his M135/2.8. Cheers Alek Uytkownik Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Dear All, I own M35/2.8 but think about buying A version to have spot/matrix on my PZ1 and more flexibility on Super A. Could you write any opinions/official tests of the lens?How does it performe in comparisno with K 35mm lenses and FA 35/2.0 one? Is it of the same quality like M version? Or maybe A35/2.0 is much better and comparable with new FA? Please send me some suggestionsand comparisons Thank you in advance. Alek Alek, there is a way to have spot/matrix on the PZ1 with a M lens. I don\'t have the URL, but there has been a discussion of this last month or 2 months ago. It implies putting (gluing?) small piece of black paper or metallic paper, I don\'t remember, around the lens mount, at precise places, and voila! M lenses are - generally speaking - smoother in operation but A lenses seem a bit better especially in the corners, supposedly because of an improved SMC. Andre --
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
Hi, But if I use it mostly for landscapes and shoot from f=4 the results should be great I hope. So even at 2.8 is not so good but probably better than 2.8 version full open. Thank you! Alek PS Is it similar to FA version if performance is concerns?FA lens got great reviews... Uytkownik alexanderkrohe [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:04:40 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \'ve never handled the 35mm A version but in general you can assume that optically it will be at least the equal of the M and somewhat inferior in build and focus feel.There are exceptions but not many. My dear boy. This is one of them. Despite the fact that they are significantly less common than the M lenses, the A35mm F2 handles like a dream. Mind you, I haven\'t shot it. Kind regards Peter I have the A35mm/f2: Yes, it is an all metal construction with excellent built quality. Stopped down to 4 and smaller pictures show extremely high contast and very high color saturation with beautiful, slightly warmish colors. I like it for landscape shots (amongst others). On the down side: It seems to lack detail; wide open performance is not particularly good (outer margins unsharp, coma wings around light sources; still visible at f2.8). The lens seems to show what Mike Johnston describes as high large structure contrast in his Lens Contrast And the Basics of MTF article. Yes, the optical construction is identical to that of the M-version but it has a different coating. Enjoy, Alexander __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
Do you have/had any other 35mm from Pentax? Indeed, K35/3.5 is said to be very nice but ... contacts would be nice to have. Alek Uytkownik Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I was not satisfied with my A35 f2.8 - just never seemed to be sharp. I replaced it was a K35 f3.5, and that lens seem to be quite good. - MCC At 01:28 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, you wrote: Dear All, I own M35/2.8 but think about buying A version to have spot/matrix on my PZ1 and more flexibility on Super A. Could you write any opinions/official tests of the lens?How does it performe in comparisno with K 35mm lenses and FA 35/2.0 one? Is it of the same quality like M version? Or maybe A35/2.0 is much better and comparable with new FA? Please send me some suggestionsand comparisons Thank you in advance. Alek - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
Re: Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
I wonder what enlargements you have done to compare your 35mm. K35/3.5 would be nice but a little too dark and no A but I do not exclude it-some people believe it is great performer and not so expensive Alek Uytkownik Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I\'ve played with the K 35 f3.5 I have one each of the M 35 f2.0 and f2.8 lenses unfortunately I\'ve never used any of the A lenses in this focal length. My experience with the A lenses is that they generally feel cheaper. I haven\'t been able to discern any reel difference in results. At 06:50 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Have you tried any other 35mm from Pentax?Any comments.. Alek Uytkownik Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I\\\'ve never handled the 35mm A version but in general you can assume that optically it will be at least the equal of the M and somewhat inferior in build and focus feel. There are exceptions but not many. At 01:28 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, you wrote: Dear All, I own M35/2.8 but think about buying A version to have spot/matrix on my PZ1 and more flexibility on Super A. Could you write any opinions/official tests of the lens?How does it performe in comparisno with K 35mm lenses and FA 35/2.0 one? Is it of the same quality like M version? Or maybe A35/2.0 is much better and comparable with new FA? Please send me some suggestionsand comparisons Thank you in advance. Alek Outside of a dog, a book is man\\\'s best friend. Inside of a dog, it\\\'s too dark to read. --Groucho Marx Outside of a dog, a book is man\'s best friend. Inside of a dog, it\'s too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
Thank you William! Alek So maybe A35/2.0 would be nice for me. I must look at the prices of it. If it is really pricy, maybe it is better to buy FA version... Alek Uytkownik William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: - Original Message - From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens I\'ve played with the K 35 f3.5 I have one each of the M 35 f2.0 and f2.8 lenses unfortunately I\'ve never used any of the A lenses in this focal length. My experience with the A lenses is that they generally feel cheaper. I haven\'t been able to discern any reel difference in results. If it matters I have the A35mm f/2. The feel of it is fine, it has not got the usual aperture ring notchiness that we have all come to love, and the focus feel is smooth. Optically, I cannot fault the lens. It is sharp to the corners at all apertures, has no obvious optical aberations and has excellent flare control. William Robb
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
So You did not like A35/2.0. Why? What about optics? Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Despite the fact that they are significantly less common than the M lenses, the A35mm F2 handles like a dream. Mind you, I haven\\\'t shot it. Oops. Small typo. Should have read the A 35mm F2.8 handles like a dream. The only A 35mm F2 we ever had was, er, ugly. Ex Howard Davies (Oxfam photog). I can\'t tell you much about the FA35 F2 - focussing as I recall was smooth but lacking resistance. Again, I didn\'t shoot it. Actually, here\'s a list of Pentax Glass I have shot: 24-35 f3.5 m 200mm f2.5 m (it\'s not a K lens, and I am sticking to that) 135mm f1.8 A 85mm f2.8 F 1000mm f8 K 50mm f2 m 35-105mm f3.5 A 135mm f2.5 tak m? 15mm f3.5 A Come on guys, I\'m a camera dealer - I spend my weekends being taken on endless tours of tile showrooms, art galleries, pub lunches. I wish it were not so, but that\'s life. Cheers Peter and probably a few other
A35/2.8 lens
Dear All, I own M35/2.8 but think about buying A version to have spot/matrix on my PZ1 and more flexibility on Super A. Could you write any opinions/official tests of the lens?How does it performe in comparisno with K 35mm lenses and FA 35/2.0 one? Is it of the same quality like M version? Or maybe A35/2.0 is much better and comparable with new FA? Please send me some suggestionsand comparisons Thank you in advance. Alek
Re: Re: *ist and the lens mount
Hi, So *ist works well with M lens? How do you like the camera?Have you tried AF etc? Alek Uytkownik Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Then they are not compatible. Pentax has always meant compatible to allow you make use of a lens turning a lens into a fixed aperture makes it relatively useless since you have lost half your control over the lens, not to mention issues of sharpness, etc. Pentax has never said that the *ist is compatible. They have talked about usable lenses. It\'s still possible to use K-mount lenses... For example, I have a M 28 f/2.8. I want to use it on the *ist, because of the lovely character the M 28 has. Now, I set the lens at f/2.8 and the *ist displays a shutter speed of 1/125. But I don\'t want to use it at f/2.8, I want more depth-of-field. I want to use it at f/8, so I set it to f/8 - and the lens stops down (instant depth-of-field) and I set the shutter to 1/15 so I get a correct exposure. Now I fire the shutter. Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
Hi, Have you tried any other 35mm from Pentax?Any comments.. Alek Uytkownik Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I\'ve never handled the 35mm A version but in general you can assume that optically it will be at least the equal of the M and somewhat inferior in build and focus feel. There are exceptions but not many. At 01:28 PM 3/13/2003 +0100, you wrote: Dear All, I own M35/2.8 but think about buying A version to have spot/matrix on my PZ1 and more flexibility on Super A. Could you write any opinions/official tests of the lens?How does it performe in comparisno with K 35mm lenses and FA 35/2.0 one? Is it of the same quality like M version? Or maybe A35/2.0 is much better and comparable with new FA? Please send me some suggestionsand comparisons Thank you in advance. Alek Outside of a dog, a book is man\'s best friend. Inside of a dog, it\'s too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Re: Why I don't believe in the KAF3 mount on *ist D (resent)
Hi I also believe that USM and IS is huge advantage when new buyers want to buy sth.and shop-assistants also advise them to choose Canon for such a reason-fast, silent and many pros use it and lots of people want to have what pros have. They just see what camera makers are very popular where there is any match, concert, meeting etc and they see C/N mostly so the know these brands. How many of people know that Pentax has great MF cameras?...much less than that Canon/Nikon are mostly chosen by pros and they can see it. Even if PEntax releases USM/IS it would be very difficult to enter a pro market. They have not camera like F5/1V and as good reputation. And advertisement. But if they introduce new technologies,there is a chance to have bigger share in the market Alek Uytkownik Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: From: Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:20:19 -0500 The vast majority of film SLR\'s sold are entry level ones, and the people buying them don\'t know or care about USM or IS. I don\'t agree with you here. I believe that they care about USM and IS, simply because they\'ve seen a lot of adverts from Canon and Nikon about this. And they probably have heard from the clerk behind the counter at the local photo store that this one has USM, and this doesn\'t, and USM is nice to have. And they have probably read in photo magazines that Canon won a test because it has USM. They probably do buy Pentax because they once had a K1000 and, it took good pictures. Then Pentax is going to die, because there\'s a lot of newcomers out there who has never held a K1000. I have no idea why you wouldn\'t want USM (and the full time manual focus that goes along with it) in every lens, unless you\'re just cheap. I\'m not cheap, but I want the optics to be. :-) (in price, not in quality) Best wishes, Roland _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: Re: 50/1.4 lens comparisons
Hi I am also very interested in the results, I wonder if you have A50/1.4 and how it performes in the comparison with K, M and FA lenses 1.4 and 1.7 Alek Uytkownik Thomas Stach [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi, I going to do some real-life tests in the near future with both my 50mm\'s. My impression up to now is, that the FA 50/1.4 is way better than the M 50/1.4 - esp. contrast wide open flare. Thomas collinb schrieb: Anyone done resolution tests comparing the K 50/1.4 to the A/M optics? Results? TIA, Collin
Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens
HI What about optical quality of A35/2.0?Similar to FA version? Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: \'ve never handled the 35mm A version but in general you can assume that optically it will be at least the equal of the M and somewhat inferior in build and focus feel. There are exceptions but not many. My dear boy. This is one of them. Despite the fact that they are significantly less common than the M lenses, the A35mm F2 handles like a dream. Mind you, I haven\'t shot it. Kind regards Peter
Re: Re: End of K-mount?
It was great response, Alan!! Why to change to Canon/Nikon if maybe Pentax introduces similar technology with any kind of compatibility? If so for many of us it will be still the best mount. Hope our dreams come true. Alek Uytkownik Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: My problem is, if Pentax to going to release more lenses with FAJ mount to match the coming D-SLR, I will be gone to Canon. There\'s no point for me to remain staying with Pentax because my existing film cameras, MZ-S and MZ-5n, are not able to control the aperture value manually. I hope the KAF3 mounts will only bring us USM and IS, but not G. I now face the dilemma like the owners of Nikon F90X. It would be too late if I switch system when Pentax eventually release a FAJ*80-200/2.8 USM IS. What if Pentax released a DSLR body and some FAJ USM/IS lenses this year? Would Pentax be much different from Canon then? regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: FS: cameras and lenses - updated list
Hi Stan, Do you leave Pentax? Alek Uytkownik Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: This is an update to my previous update. Status of my items for sale listed below. I haven\'t placed anything on eBay yet but some, as indicated, will go on eBay tonight (approx 2000 Central Strd Time, GMT-6). on 1/31/03 9:05 PM, Stan Halpin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am simplifying and consolidating. I haven\'t worked out minimum-price, etc. on all of the following This is an update of the previous, with pricing information and links to some pictures so you can see the items which are for sale. A couple of the previous listing have sold, have been paid for, and are in the mail to their new home. A couple from the list I have decided to keep for now. Additional have been added. All of these items are in very good condition; i.e., no scratches on the glass, no dents on the filter rings, etc. Older lenses may have more of the inevitable subtle signs of wear, but none of this equipment is abused. Except as noted below. Note that the file names on the site with the photos are case sensitive. Also note that I have mostly identified only one photo for each item. If there is an /SPIIb.jpg, you may safely assume an /SPIIa.jpg, and possibly an /SPIIc.jpg, /...d.jpg, etc. I am not consistent in my lettering or numbering convention from one lens or camera to another, but for a given item I am absolutely consistent in my lettering or numbering. Description PriceLinkNotes Spotmatic SPII $100 [If some here does not buy, I will keep for now.] http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/SPIIb.jpg includes 55/1.8 Super-Multi-Coated lens. SMC Takumar 1.8/55 $25 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/Tak55a.jpg This is a second Tak 55/1.8 Super-Takumar 1:4/200 $50 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/200mmC.jpg Super-Macro-Takumar 1:4 50mm SOLD Black ME$40 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/ME-1.jpg or .../ME-2.jpg The typical ding in the finder is more of a crunch on this camera, but it seems to work ok. Except maybe the hot shoe doesn\'t work . . . LX - 523$350 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/LXd.jpg CLA about 2 years ago. Older version of the camera, film speed to 3200 but the finder-release button does not trigger the meter. Typical inconsequential ding in the finder. No other known problems. Sold with A-50/2.0 body cap. Includes strap and lugs, grip style A available if you want for extra $, your choice of G-20 or E-20 or C-21. LX - 535 SOLD LX Finder attachment FC-1 $100 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/Finders1.jpg and http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/Finders2.jpg This is a great Sports Finder, helps the viewing if you wear eyeglasses, but is just too bulky for my taste. In the first photo the FC-1 is shown mounted on the FB-1 System base, in photo two it is shown to the side. (I\'ve decided to hold onto the FB-1 and the FD-2 eyepiece for now.) SMC-M 1:4 20mmSOLD SMC-A 1:2.8 35mm$110 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/A35a.jpg SMC-A Macro 1:2.8 50mm $150 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/A50macroC.jpg SMC-M 1:2.8-4.0 40-80mm zoom $75 WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/40-80c.jpg Nice older Macro zoom lens in very fine condition. Vivitar Series 1 70-210 mm 1:2.8-4.0 Macro zoom WILL go on eBay 2-07-03 http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/VS1-a.jpg --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
So it is strange. I also did similar test with the lamp. But centerweighted meter is quite similar to spot if you fill the finder with light/lamp for instance and not only in this case. I shall check in manual. But if it does not work it could not be dispalyed if you are working in spot meter. SO I do not know what to say. So only pversion has spot with K and M lenses? Really strange Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek, There must be some kind of a language barrier here. Read my post again, Mark\'s too. I did the same experiment. I used a K24/2.8 lens (wide angle lens) with the PZ-1 (Z-1 by you). I was 6 feet (2 meters) from a table lamp that I focused on. The lamp just filled the finder [ focus ] area. Using a wide angle lens, I was seeing a dark room with a bright lamp in the middle. Yes with the PZ-1, the little * goes ON in the LCD display. NO, this doesn\'t mean anything. The exposure doesn\'t change!!! The PZ-1 says you have spot metering but you don\'t! It is telling you lies!!! With the PZ-1p, you have spot metering. I put the K24/2.8 lens on the camera. I focused on the light... it just filled the [focus] in the viewfinder. When I pressed the spot button, the * went on in the viewfinder, and the exposure changed. This was for the PZ-1p only - Z-1p by you. I don\'t know how to make this explaination any clearer. Regards, Bob S. In a message dated 2/7/2003 10:27:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bob, With PZ1 you have spot for sure with K and M lenses!!! Just click the buttom on the back of the camera - it was with . one and then turn the wheel ( I do not remember if it is AV or TV) in front of the camera, just near shutter buttom, remember to keep . buttom pushed! and turn it. On the display you will see in the frame * informing you that spot is set.just all. I own PZ1 and some K and M it WORKS. Reply to me if you manage to do it. Hope it helps. Cheers, Alek PS you wrote exposure did not change, sometimes you could set on the subjects where there is no difference in light, that is it. Good luck and be happy with spot with you K and M lenses:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: My Z1 spot meters with all my pentax lenses, K,M,A,F,FA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don\\\'t know. I\\\'ll go home and try it, but I remember trying to get my M\\\'s K\\\'s to spot meter and they didn\\\'t. They will say SPOT metering is ON in the viewfinder, but the exposure won\\\'t change. Just tried my PZ-1p with a K50/1.4 and both spot and center-weighted metering work - and the exposure definitely does change (I metered in a dark room with a small window in the center). -- Mark Roberts Mark, I did the same experiment this AM. The PZ-1p will spot meter with a K lens (tried the K24/2.8). The PZ-1 will not spot meter with a K lens. So I\\\'d revise what I said to this... PZ-1: NO Spot metering with K and M lenses, you need A,F,FA and NO matrix metering with K M, only Center Weighted. PZ-1p: Center Weighted OR Spot metering with K M lenses and NO matrix metering with K M, only Center Weighted. and Spot, Matrix, or Center Weighted with A, F FA lens. Thanks to you and Paal for pointing that feature out, I had missed it on the PZ-1p. Regards, Bob S. --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Hi, So FA 200 macro must be much better than C/N counterparts. Do you have both?What is the price of A version if appears. BTW Do you have FA35/2.0?any comments... Thank you Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek wrote: But with K and M lenses you could not use matrix... just central or spot and??? Do you have Pentax FA 200/4 ED macro lens? Or A200/4 ED macro? If so which is better? If pressed I think the FA* is slightly better but significantly larger and heavier. What about competition in this range-Nikon/Canon/Sigma?ANy comments... According to the only test I\'ve seen on the 200 macro lenses the A* 200/4 macro beats the Nikon and Canon counterparts. Pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Pentax Optio S advance orders
Hi Mike, Please answer my email! Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: FWIW, I just heard from my friend at Pentax that the Optio S is generating an impressive amount of advance orders. Evidently, dealers expect it to be a popular product. --Mike --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Hi, When you use 645 lens it works like A lens or only like K or ?Does matrix work? Alek Uytkownik gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Joe Wilensky wrote: On another note, why can the Pentax autofocus cameras provide autofocus confirmation with manual-focus A, M, and K lenses, but not with screwmount lenses via the adapter? In the case of the M and K Are you sure they can\'t? My ZX-5n\'s focus confirmation beep works just fine when I used a 645 lens mounted via the 645-K adapter. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio. --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Thanks! But Alan Chan wrote even good tape could mask a special part of the lens. So maybe it is saver and easier and for nearly nothing ($) :) Alek =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Michel_Carre=60re-G=E9e?=@UNKNOWN napisa: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit: But with K and M lenses you could not use matrix... just central or spot .. Yes, K/M lens could use matrix metering, see: http://www.robertstech.com/matrix.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/multizone.htm Michel --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Hi I also read about drilling in the lens But it I could just mask it would be great. Please write what to do with K28/3.5, 135/2.5 and 105/2.8 all SMC of course if you have them Alek Uytkownik Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: But with K and M lenses you could not use matrix... just central or spot You can mask part of the lens mount of K or M lenses to simulate A lenses which can do matrix metering. A good quality masking tape will do the trick. regards, Alan Chan _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Miliony czekaj na Ciebie w Internecie! htpp://republika.onet.pl/2,oferta.html
Re: RE: RE: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Thank you! You are lucky man to have such a lens. It must be one if not the best in this focal range or any macro lens. Do you have any picture from it on website? Alek Uytkownik Vick, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: For a comparison of the elements see: http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/_optics/200f4-Macro-i.jpg and http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/_optics/200f4-Macro-ii.gif The internal focus on the FA200 is invaluable for macro work. Plus, the FA is RAZOR sharp at all apertures and even sharper in the f/8 to f/32 range - sharper than the A200. The A200 is very good in the f/8 to f/22 range but not as sharp as the FA200. The FA200 has 9 Aperture Blades vs. the 8 on the A200. This I think leads to a softer bokeh on the FA200. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+ Hi, But is there any optical difference between A and FA for macro work?Sharpness, bokeh etc?Also FA is better? Alek Uytkownik Vick, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I don\\\'t have any direct comparison with Cannon or Nikon, but have used both the FA200 ED Macro and the A200 ED Macro. The FA200 (IF) is AWESOME - I can find no faults with it, razor sharp, excellent bokeh, I like the Internal Focus and the focus limiter provides excellent and quick focusing. The A200 is a very good lens but not quite as sharp as the FA200 at the extremes. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+ Hi, So FA 200 macro must be much better than C/N counterparts. Do you have both?What is the price of A version if appears. BTW Do you have FA35/2.0?any comments... Thank you Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek wrote: But with K and M lenses you could not use matrix... just central or spot and??? Do you have Pentax FA 200/4 ED macro lens? Or A200/4 ED macro? If so which is better? If pressed I think the FA* is slightly better but significantly larger and heavier. What about competition in this range-Nikon/Canon/Sigma?ANy comments... According to the only test I\\\'ve seen on the 200 macro lenses the A* 200/4 macro beats the Nikon and Canon counterparts. Pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/ --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Hotele - rezerwuj do 40% TANIEJ! http://noclegi.onet.pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: Pentax Optio S advance orders
Mike, Sorry:) Yes, it is truth that many of my questions to you have already been answered. So the only way is to mount my Tamron (when I get adaptall) and shoot and shoot and then assess the quality. On the basis of many opinions and tests it should be great macro lens I hope. and 90mm is also very nice for portraits so nothing to add, just shoot! recently I thought to leave Pentax and buy Contax Aria+some primes but probably it is better to stick to Pentax and hope that new solutions will appear. And it is open system. I take mostly slides that is why I ask about quality of the lens so often. Cheers, Alek PS Have you ever used K lenses? Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi Mike, Please answer my email! Alek Alek, I have answered your e-mail several times. I have nothing to add to the responses you\'ve received on the list regarding the lenses you asked about. Sorry I can\'t help. --Mike --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
nice! pity there no true macro photos like on Mark Cassino. If you like macro look here: http://www.grochowalski.pl click English version Alek PS My friend's web site Uytkownik Vick, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: the macro shots on this page were done with the FA200 http://www.blueplanetmedia.com/photo.htm Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: RE: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+ Thank you! You are lucky man to have such a lens. It must be one if not the best in this focal range or any macro lens. Do you have any picture from it on website? Alek Uytkownik Vick, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: For a comparison of the elements see: http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/_optics/200f4-Macro-i.jpg and http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/primes/_optics/200f4-Macro-ii.gif The internal focus on the FA200 is invaluable for macro work. Plus, the FA is RAZOR sharp at all apertures and even sharper in the f/8 to f/32 range - sharper than the A200. The A200 is very good in the f/8 to f/22 range but not as sharp as the FA200. The FA200 has 9 Aperture Blades vs. the 8 on the A200. This I think leads to a softer bokeh on the FA200. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+ Hi, But is there any optical difference between A and FA for macro work?Sharpness, bokeh etc?Also FA is better? Alek Uytkownik Vick, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I don\\\'t have any direct comparison with Cannon or Nikon, but have used both the FA200 ED Macro and the A200 ED Macro. The FA200 (IF) is AWESOME - I can find no faults with it, razor sharp, excellent bokeh, I like the Internal Focus and the focus limiter provides excellent and quick focusing. The A200 is a very good lens but not quite as sharp as the FA200 at the extremes. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+ Hi, So FA 200 macro must be much better than C/N counterparts. Do you have both?What is the price of A version if appears. BTW Do you have FA35/2.0?any comments... Thank you Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek wrote: But with K and M lenses you could not use matrix... just central or spot and??? Do you have Pentax FA 200/4 ED macro lens? Or A200/4 ED macro? If so which is better? If pressed I think the FA* is slightly better but significantly larger and heavier. What about competition in this range-Nikon/Canon/Sigma?ANy comments... According to the only test I\\\'ve seen on the 200 macro lenses the A* 200/4 macro beats the Nikon and Canon counterparts. Pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/ --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Hotele - rezerwuj do 40% TANIEJ! http://noclegi.onet.pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl
Re: Re: Pentax Optio S advance orders
hi I just wanted to say that I take slides where it is easy to see if the lens is good or not. Of course if you enlarge you prints very much you also see it. I just do not enlarge prints more than 20x30cm BTW Have you scanned slide and print?any comments.. IS it better than from film, i.e. for instance 30x40cm is better to obtain from slide or from film? Alek Uytkownik Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Sorry:) Yes, it is truth that many of my questions to you have already been answered. So the only way is to mount my Tamron (when I get adaptall) and shoot and shoot and then assess the quality. On the basis of many opinions and tests it should be great macro lens I hope. and 90mm is also very nice for portraits so nothing to add, just shoot! recently I thought to leave Pentax and buy Contax Aria+some primes but probably it is better to stick to Pentax and hope that new solutions will appear. And it is open system. I take mostly slides that is why I ask about quality of the lens so often. Maybe I shouldn\'t even ask, but if you were making images on print film, the quality of the lens wouldn\'t matter so much? Cheers, Alek PS Have you ever used K lenses? Has Mike ever used k-mount lenses? O, I\'d say so! g But, I hate to speak FOR someone...it\'s just possible he never HAS! keith [...] --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Miliony czekaj na Ciebie w Internecie! htpp://republika.onet.pl/2,oferta.html
Re: Re: SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x
Hi, And AF with converter is fast?Accurate?Does it deteriorate image quality a lot? Alek Uytkownik Rdiger Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: From Jostein After also using it with many other lenses, I have found that AF with the TC is very accurate with f/2.8 (or better) lenses. Precision with eg. M-200/4 is ok, but no more than that. Lenses of apertures darker than f/4.5 will make the AF hunt in low light. AF is quite fast. Comparable to eg. FA50/1.4. The converter works even when using a f/4.5 like the FA 4.5/300 if you are using it with a MZ-S. The MZ-S AF has a far better low light abiltiy than the Z1-p or MZ-5n, this cameras have a problem with this lens. Regards Rdiger --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: PDMLDSLR
Hi, Could you be so kind and scan and send me Practical Photography November 2000 issue concerning the test of macro lenses? I would be very grateful. Cheers Alek Uytkownik Rdiger Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hallo Raino, there are also test, where the FA 2.8/100 Macro gets very good marks. I have this lens and it is far to sharp for portraits. Look at http://www.photozone.de/bindex2.html there is a average of serveral tests. regards Rdiger Im not Mike but I have Practical Photography November 2000 issue in front of me. In the test 90-105 mm macro lenses get the following points: Canon AF 100/2.8 - 9/10 Minolta AF 100/2.8 - 9/10 Nikon AF 105/2.8D - 7/10 Pentax AF 100/2.8 - 6/10 Sigma AF 105/28 EX - 9/10 Tamron AF 90/2.8 SP - 9/10 Tokina AF 100/2.8 AT-X 6/10 Pentax 100 mm performs well but needs stopping down and is expensive. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperinen viesti- Lhettj: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Piv: 04. helmikuuta 2003 16:59 Aihe: Re: PDMLDSLR Hi Mike, Do you have any access to tests of macro lenses? I own Tamron manual SP 90/2.8 macro, I bought it when found that it performed much better Pentax 100m in one Popular or Practical Photography if I remember well and also beat Nikkor 105mm I wonder if you ever used the lens. Is it really better than Pentax lens? I also own SMC K105/2.8 lense (very nice indeed) so here was another reason to choose 90mm to have a both portrait and macro lens.Or maybe to sell it and buy FA100/2.8 macro.. If you happen to have any official tests please drop me a line.I also wonder how good FA200/4 ED macro lens is.Any comments/tests? Sorry for not writing from PDML but would like to have direct contact.Please write to this address. Thanks in advance. PS BTW Do you have any tests from K lenses era?Do you think Zeiss T lenses are better/much better than Pentax primes?Now the price of manual Zeiss glass is not very high. I even think to sell my Pentax gear and buy new Aria+some primes (used).But it will not allow me to buy into digital with them, AF etc. So maybe it is better to stick to Pentax. I own some K lenses (28/3.5 , 105/2.8 135/2.5 all SMC and A50/1.4 and M35/2.8 and SUper A+PZ1+Metz 40MZ3i) How do you think?I mainly take slides Please answer Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: P.S. I propose a new division of terms for this discussion: P-DSLR: Any old Pentax Digital Single Lens Reflex, even, or especially, a crappy cheapo cynical rushed-to-market cobbled-up little 3-mp mass-market sensor jobbie that\\\'ll have us all moaning and groaning and venting; PDMLDSLR: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Digital Single Lens Reflex, for a thoughtfully designed, well-executed camera that many of us would at least be interested in and wouldn\\\'t mind owning, and that would get some of us to stay with Pentax as we switch over to digital. (continued in the next post...) So just for fun, here\\\'s my conservative prediction: that the PDMLDSLR will be a small, innovatively styled, nicely made SLR-style camera with a 6-mp APS-sized CCD sensor. It will take FA lenses (and perhaps older A lenses with limitations) with a 1.5X magnification factor, and there will be one new lens introduced or promised for it that will cover only the digital sensor and not 35mm film. This will be a wide-angle zoom. It will sell in the $1,500-$1,600 range, and availability will be late August or September. It will be seen only under glass at PMA with the sketchiest of descriptions, Cesar will receive an official picture of it and post it for the rest of us, and long months will drag by before we really know everything for certain. That\\\'s what I\\\'d bet on. If I were forced to bet on something. Here\\\'s what could also happen: Pentax could throw us all for a loop. This could be: Negative; meaning something badly spec\\\'d, or an adaptation of another company\\\'s camera, or basically point-and-shoot capabilities but with interchangeable lenses, or something designed to be marketed around the premise of some special feature that turns out to be ridiculous; or: Positive, meaning something really innovative that will appeal to people and catch on, but something nobody expects. And now REALLY just for fun, here\\\'s what I\\\'d PERSONALLY be happy to see (I\\\'m just pulling this out of my butt--with apologies for my french to the PDMLWL [PDML Wimmins League]--this has absolutely no bearing on reality): the aforementioned small, innovatively styled, nicely made SLR-style camera, but with a pellicle mirror that allows real-time preview on the LCD screen, and a 3-mp (right, 3-mp) Fuji SuperCCD SR (super dynamic range) sensor--and a 6-mp version promised for the not-too-distant future. And, not only a wide-angle zoom that covers only the digital sensor, but two wide-angle fast primes as well. Now, just as Murphy\\\'s law is a
Re: Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Hi, I must simple test some old lenses with different ways of metering. And I should see how it works with different lenses. Cheers, Alek Uytkownik Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: On the PZ-1, Pentax Function 1 (labeled AE) selects whether the camera switches from matrix to spot or from matrix to centerweighted when using the metering mode button. The value of 0 selects spotmetering as the alternate; a value of 1 selects centerweighted. So yes, you can specify centerweighted metering for A lenses (and F and FA lenses as well). Of course, with M and K lenses, there\'s no matrix metering available at all, so for those lenses this Pentax function would only serve to turn off the option of spotmetering altogether. Joe Hi, Thank you! With A lens the metering was very good on slides. Now I am checking with K ones.But PZ1 does not have switch from matrix to central metering with A lenses,probably from matrix to spot only if I remember well Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa?: I have both the PZ-1 and PZ-1p and find they both consistently overexpose slide film when using older lenses (KA mounts - if I remember mount designations correctly) when the cameras are set to matrix or evaluative metering (whatever Pentax calls it). When these bodies are set to centerweight or spot metering the overexposure does not seem to occur. When using non F or FA lenses or when I may be using a combination of new and older lenses with these bodies I routinely set metering to centerweight. I have been doing this so long I do not remember which of my lenses tend to overexpose with these cameras. From what I remember of early discussions on this matter results may very. Some (like myself) say overexposure occurs most of the time, some say it happens some times, some say it does not occur. Hope this helps. George Baumgardner --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: duza, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/ --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: ten new cameras
Hi Mike, Please answer my direct mail to you. Cheers Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: But Henry\'s original quote was: more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras I see this as more likely to be literally what it says - an overhaul of the Espio line. Most likely, something along these lines, although I anticipate more compact digital models. However, from the rumblings, it looks like there could be as many as three new cameras by the Fall that will be of interest to US--namely, the P-DSLR (which contrary to previous reports, may indeed be called ist), the new compact 6x7 (I would think that a promise from the president of the company is as good as it\'s going to get in terms of future certainty) , and one new 35mm SLR...which may be another mass-market consumer jobbie, true, but then again it may not be. If this comes to pass, three out of ten cameras being of interest to PDML\'ers ain\'t a bad ratio at all, not at all. Two out of ten ain\'t bad either, if the film SLR turns out to be another non-serious camera for the Disney crowds. Incidentally, I know nothing. Well, I know one minor thing, but I ain\'t supposed to say. --Mike P.S. I propose a new division of terms for this discussion: P-DSLR: Any old Pentax Digital Single Lens Reflex, even, or especially, a crappy cheapo cynical rushed-to-market cobbled-up little 3-mp mass-market sensor jobbie that\'ll have us all moaning and groaning and venting; PDMLDSLR: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Digital Single Lens Reflex, for a thoughtfully designed, well-executed camera that many of us would at least be interested in and wouldn\'t mind owning, and that would get some of us to stay with Pentax as we switch over to digital. (continued in the next post...) --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Overexposure of PZ1+K and M lenses
Dear All, I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. Alek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x
Thanks! I would use it with A50/1.4, SMC K105/2.8, SMC K135/2.5 And optically it is like a zoom?Better/worse? What price of it could be? Alek Uytkownik Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek, At the PDMLUK event last summer, I took most of the airplane pictures with a A*400/2.8 and the AF1.7TC, on a Z1. See http://oksne.net/ for the images, and Cotty\'s page for pics of the combo http://www.macads.co.uk/pdml/index.html. After also using it with many other lenses, I have found that AF with the TC is very accurate with f/2.8 (or better) lenses. Precision with eg. M-200/4 is ok, but no more than that. Lenses of apertures darker than f/4.5 will make the AF hunt in low light. AF is quite fast. Comparable to eg. FA50/1.4. It works with all bayonet mount pentaxes. Even with 67 or 645 lenses and the suitable converter, if you focus with the lens wide open. :-) Wide open, the converter produce softish images. A 50mm and the 1.7TC makes a very nice portrait combo, with a convenient soft-effect. Stopped down a bit, it\'s quite good optically. Jostein === At 2003-02-04, 18:33:00 you wrote: === Hi, How do you assess working of SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x with manual lenses? Is it accurate?Fast? Does it worth to buy it?Average price?Does ot work with K M and A lenses?Any comments...What is the optical quality of the adapter itself? Alek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Jostein http://oksne.net 2003-02-04 --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
With A 50/1.7 exposures were great. The difference is with older lenses. So now you have MZS.. Better than Pz-1p?I have read some reviews and many people believe PZ1p has more features and not so expensive. It is truth. Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek wrote: I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. No idea but it did happen with two of my A lenses: the A 24/2.8 and the A 35/2.8. I don\'t really remember the details anymore as I don\'t own the camera anylonger. Pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Hi But I have not written I use print film!! And you wrote that with PZ1p you had 1/2 stop but over or under?rather overexposure... So Pz1p usually overexposure and PZ1 not? So maybe it is better to buy another PZ1 instead of PZ1p? Do you know if I can do flash compensation with PZ1? For instance I want to shoot a portrait of someone who is in shadow and background is brighter so I would measure b. light and compensate flash for about from -1 to -1.5 EV?Can I do so with PZ1?And Pz1p? Please answer Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek, I never had any problems with the PZ-1 exposing slide film accurately. Any problems with print film were masked by the corrections done by the print machines. The PZ-1p seems to be a bit off (1/2 stop) with slide film, but just fine with print film. And I don\'t think you could judge any exposure errors with print films anyway... at least not 1/2 stop ones. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear All, I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. Alek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: Re: 31 and 35mm lenses tested in German magazine
Thank you Any comparison with other 200mm macro lenses? Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek wrote: Do you know who uses FA200/4 ED macro?Or you know any tests of the lens or other macro lenses? It is great. As good as they come. Pl ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: 31 and 35mm lenses tested in German magazine
Hi, But you compare F100 with MZ5 which uses distant information but has not advanced flash metering. You should compare F100 with MZS. And it must be truth with distant information since when Pentax introduced P-TTL they have not changed anything in lenses!!It proves that it should be similar to Nikon metering.So one can use FA lenses having P-TTL unlike Nikon users who have to buy D lens and Minolta ones who have to buy G lens. Alek Uytkownik Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: The 3D primarily has to do with the distance from the camera to the subject for flash metering. While distance information has been available from Pentax lenses, it wasn't used for exposure calculation until some of the newer cameras came out. I don't think that there is any difference in the percentage of properly exposed, ambient light shots of either system, but the Nikon flash is better. (Based on years with a ZX-5 and F100) BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it the same matrix metering system as on the MZ-5n? At least the symbol is the same and I'm very satisfied with the MZ-5n's metering performance. BTW - can anybody tell me what is so special about Nikon's 3D matrix metering? Is there really a notable difference to Pentax's system? Cheers, Heiko ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: 31 and 35mm lenses tested in German magazine
If you have Nikon system, too how you assess Pentax lenses (in general) in comparison with Nikon. Probbaly one cannot say in general. Just your impressions. Some people believe Nikkors are better some not... Alek Uytkownik Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I suppose I should also point out that Nikon fires a pre flash prior to the actual flash exposure so it can meter the reflected light of the flash from the subject. The metering is also tied to the active AF sensor. In my experience with slide film, it deals very well with an off center subject that is against a very dark background. BR ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: Takumar 135/2.5 opinions?
Hi, M135/3.5 is also quite nice. It is usually cheap and has pleasant bokeh. I sold one to my brother when I bought SMC K135/2.5 but 3.5 version is very good. I like it very much and my brother uses KX with mirror up so he can shoot at 1/30 , 1/60 hand held. Alek Uytkownik Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: on 28.01.03 14:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As far as I know it is MUCH better to find SMC K version. It is more expensive but worth bying. Thanks. Or maybe 135/3.5? We will see :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: Takumar 135/2.5 opinions?
Hi, Have you got my direct mail? FA 77/1.8 is much more expensive so it is difficult to compare both. I managed to buy my in Vienna for 40$ in mint condition!! I was very lucky. And focal length is completely different so maybe it is better to buy 77 and 135/3.5 instead of 2.5?Maybe... Your decision Alek Uytkownik Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: on 28.01.03 14:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As far as I know it is MUCH better to find SMC K version. It is more expensive but worth bying. Eh.. or maybe I'd better save for 77/1.8 Ltd :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: 31 and 35mm lenses tested in German magazine
Hi, Thank you very much for the answer. My brother plans to buy Nikon 80 and you recommend it?What about build quality/AF, fast?metering? So you believe that Nikkors are sharper? And you are right. Some people like Pentax glass very,very much. The problem is as you said with bodies. there is not F80 equivalent and it should be - MZ1? Do you know who uses FA200/4 ED macro?Or you know any tests of the lens or other macro lenses? Please answer Alek Uytkownik KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: On 1/28/03 9:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have Nikon system, too how you assess Pentax lenses (in general) in comparison with Nikon. Probbaly one cannot say in general. Just your impressions. Some people believe Nikkors are better some not... Hi Alek, I have an F80 and a 50/1.4D which I bought from a friend of mine. I borrow other Nikkor lenses from time to time from the same friend, but mostly for the experimentation (mostly out of curiosity for the purpose of the comparison between Pentax and Nikon). I also have a Pronea 600i with 60/2.8D Micro (Oh, don't laugh. I use this for certain scientific macro cataloguing work because of the 100% viewfinder and the archiving convenience of APS). Therefore, my experience with Nikkor lenses is extremely limited and I am not qualified to respond to your question. Having said that, I belong to a group of people in Japan (electronically) who are the dedicated Pentax enthusiasts from whom I learn a lot. I just pass their observations as this particular subject crops up every once in a while. So, I have to qualify this as my hearsay, although fairly reliable info. 1. These die-hard Pentax enthusiasts insist that Pentax lenses and Nikkor lenses are just different, and totally different. It is not the matter of which is better, but it's up to the personal taste. 2. Nikkor lenses traditionally pursued the resolution. Images are very crisp. However, some people never liked that crispness, thus famous saying never use Nikon for woman's portraiture unless you borrow her stockings :-). 3. The virtue of the Pentax glasses is its more natural rendition of the image. I would not say softer but it is certainly different. They are deliberately designed so. It's more like Leica/Zeiss rendition. I am not an expert in describing this, but I can now tell the difference between the Pentax rendition and Nikon one (not all the time :-). If you examine the images taken with some of the Limited series lenses, the differences are more profound. 4. For this reason, the real Pentax enthusiasts rarely go to Nikon although many of them own Nikon (and other brands) equipment for one reason or another. A lot of them own Yashica/Contax mount equipment for the same reason. They all realize some shortcomings of Pentax bodies such as somewhat slower fps etc, but they do not seem to care much about them. They are usually attracted by the Pentax glasses, not the body. 5. They can go on and on why they like the Pentax glasses but I do not believe they are not biased. They do not talk bad of Nikon system. They just say that Nikon and Pentax glasses are simply different. Some of them do say that they do not quite understand why Pentax users would switch to Nikon if they really appreciate Pentax glasses. The rest, I leave it to the good hands of experts here :-). Cheers, Ken ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: 31 and 35mm lenses tested in German magazine
You are right, Bruce And it is more important to take more pictures and think during shooting than only reading test and specs. Cheers, Alek PS How about you Nikkors?Do you prefer them over Pentax or vice versa?Alek Uytkownik Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: If someone would like to lend me a MZ-S for 6 months I would be glad to compare it to a F100. My comments pertained to specific model cameras, because that it what I have experience with. Now, I happen to have D and non D lenses. Monitor preflash and multisegment TTL metering is still done with non D lenses. I, and a number of people, have a hard time telling if D lenses make any real difference. People get so absorbed with manufacturer spec/feature/number sheets that they don't realize that how well implemented something is is more important than techno-market-speak. My P-TTL beats your E-TTL, because its a higher letter in the alphabet! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, But you compare F100 with MZ5 which uses distant information but has not advanced flash metering. You should compare F100 with MZS. And it must be truth with distant information since when Pentax introduced P-TTL they have not changed anything in lenses!!It proves that it should be similar to Nikon metering.So one can use FA lenses having P-TTL unlike Nikon users who have to buy D lens and Minolta ones who have to buy G lens. Alek ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: vivitar 90mm 2.5 vs 105mm 2.5 vs105mm2.8 kiron vs tamron 90mm
Hi, I bought Tamron manual SP 90/2.8 macro for my PZ-1 but adapatall has not reach me so far:( I have read some reviews of the lens and in German tests it performed super. And I have found Popular/Practical ( I do not remember which it was)Photography test of some macro lenses and Tamron got 9/10 and only canon USM beat it.It performed better than Nikkor and Pentax FA. So it must be very good beast! Alek Uytkownik Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi, adphoto. Of the 4 which is the better macro? Well, you have to be more specific, or expand your 4 - There are (as far as I know) only one VS1 90/2.5, one VS1 105/2.5, and one Kiron 105/2.8. However, there have been at least three Tamron 90mm macros - the original (I believe) 90/2.5 with 49mm threads, another 90/2.5 but with 55mm threads, and a 90/2.8 (which, I think, is the newest one). (I am not knowledgeable about Tamron macro lenses, so, anyone who knows more than this, please jump in here.) Then, although you didn't mention them, there have been other 90's - the Tokina AT-X 90/2.5 (optically identical to the VS1), a Vivitar non-VS1 90/2.8, a Sigma 90/2.8 - and there probably are still others... And Ricoh has a 100/2.8 or 105/2.8 (I forget which)... And then, of course, there are a few great Pentax 100's... And, to confuse things further, some of these reach 1:1 all by themselves, while some use an extension tube to do so, and some (e.g., the VS1 90/2.5 and the AT-X 90/2.5) use an extender with internal field-flattening elements to do so. is the 105mm 2.5 S1 vivitar the same as the 105mm 2.8 kiron? Supposedly they are the same (although I've never had a chance to check out the Kiron). Is the series 1 vivitar 90mm as good as its cult status ? Yes indeed. However, I've ~never~ tried a 100-ish (90mm-105mm) macro lens that was not a very good lens (and I've never heard bad things about any, either, except for a Sigma 100/2.8 Micro-Macro compromise that was apparently pretty soft closeup). Fred ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar 80/1.8 (was: Re: 85mm F:1.8 Auto Takumar)
Hi All, I used to have Flektogon 20/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Pancolar 50/1.8 and Sonnar 135/3.5 All were quitenice but I used old Practika with them and light meter was not very good for slides. when I decided to change system for Pentax I sold everythink + exte, tubes and Practika VLC3 which had interchangeable top like LX!!! I have some problems with 20/2.8 since it was not justified. All in all I decided to buy into one system.Sometimes I think I could not sell it it is too late. Alek 310 g, takes a 58mm filter, and has 6 elements in 5 groups (like the Super Takumar and Pentax SMC 85/1.8s): Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:39:53 +0100 From: Frantisek Vlcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: favorite non-Pentax K mount lens? That's easy. It's the 1.8/80mm Carl Zeiss Jena Pancolar. Superb lens. ( M42 only) ... The 1.8/80 CZJ Pancolar is a gaussian design, probably very similar or same as Planar design. I do have this lens, and while the Multicoating on my sample is not as good as modern SMC (needs a lens hood still g), in normal light it is about as sharp as my SMC F 1.4/50 or just slightly less (at relatively same apertures - 1.4=1.8; 5.6=5.6). It's good wide open, and excellent even moderately stopped down. It should be as sharp or even better g than all the portrait 80mm' Pentax made (xcept the new ones, A FA 1.4/85 of course). AFAIK it's same or very similar design to Pentax SMC-K 1.8/85 (most those 1.8/80 lenses are of same, planar-derived design). Only drawback my sample is prone to flare from strong light sources. From http://zuiko.sls.bc.ca/swright/archives/1999/msg01582.html: Hi Zuiko amateurs, This week I bought a new (used) lens, and while it's not a Zuiko, I just wanted to say what an amazing lens it seems to be. It's a Carl-Zeiss-Jena (east) Pancolar 80mm 1:1,8 with M42 mount. Because of a small dint at the front thread it costed only 200 DM (120 US dollar) instead 390 DM. First slides taken with an aperture of 1:5,6 were great. Because there are no OM - M42 adaptors, which goes to infinity without an auxiliary lens, this message is somewhat off topic, but I think there aren't any M42 or Carl-Zeiss-Jena (east) discussion lists around where I could share this experience. Regards, Matthias. Some of CZJ's lenses such as the Pancolar and Flektagon have their roots in pre-WWII designs (Biotar and Distagon) for which CZJ could use the designs, but not the original trademark names due to court rulings about intellectual property rights. -- John http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/us/spe2/hresol.htm: The Pancolor 80_1.8 lens has a pupil diameter of 44.4 mm, which implies that there is no risk of vignetting in any part of the spectrum. A user of 80_1.8 and other CZJ primes wrote: Superb. I know everyone says Pentax made the best M42 lenses but I disagree. From the Contax discussion list: By the way I have bayonet mount practica lenses, Flektogon 20/f2.8 which is a very good lens Mayer 28/F2.8 not a bad lens at all Flektogon 35/f2.4 very very nice lens Pancolor 50/f1.8 very nice Pancolor 80/f1.8 ditto! Sonnar 135/f3.5 extremly nice lens Sonnar 300/f4 I do not use much, though good one and mayer 50/f1.8 CZJ 55/f2.8 MACRO lens (good lens) I would say these lenses have almost the same colour redention, which is very pleasing, and very small distortion. So I like them a lot, but cameras (B200 and BX20) are different story all together. I wish Penatcon servived and produced a better camera body! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: I had a nice day (LX images)
And did you like this 600mm? Alek PS Piece of glass Uytkownik Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi Heiko, You lucky one. BTW - is there an official possibility to visit Pentax Germany and have a look at their facilities and work? I don't think that the offer any guided tours, but you can always call them and ask. The place is actually rather small, and the photo storage is not in Hamburg but in Brussels. Still, the repair fascility and some display cases have proved most interesting... Great pictures. Especially the LX cuts. But I still wonder who did buy this golden hammer... Pentax bought body from a private person. I guess this is the same person who offered the camera on eBay, and then stopped the auction because he received an independant offer. This was the XM803 body. And why does digital rule?? Did you notice any new digital Pentax cameras there? More input, please...:-) Well, digital rules because of the new possibilities. I was given a few hours to photograph the 50+ items, and I had to get it right. So I took my lighting setup, the Casio QV-4000, and a laptop, and went in. After taking 5-6 pictures, I uploaded them on the laptop, made sure that everything looks good, and then went on. Three minutes after I was done shooting, I could see the images, and I could have diceded to redo some of them. I have not made any big enlargements from the 4 MP camera. But when my goal are images that will be viewed on a computer, I always do them with the digital camera. While at Pentax, I did get to hold the new Optio S and I also saw it taken apart. I did ask about a K-mount digital, and they said that they really have no information... other than Pentax Japan has said that they will show such a camera on the PMA in February and on CEBIT in Hannover. I guess I will make the journey to Hannover this time... Cheers, Boz I did get to play some with the FA* 600/4 mounted on an MZ-S... ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: New of Pentax ultra-compact D-SLR based on 110
I also wonder if Pentax release great dlsr and flagship. But I have heard that selling pro cameras does not makes profit so maybe it is not good idea to introduce such camera,especially that not many pros uses Pentax slr.Or Pentax wants to change it. Heaven knows. Uytkownik Artur Ledchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: - Original Message - From: Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New of Pentax ultra-compact D-SLR based on 110 The camera uses the new, small xD Cards and is based on the Pentax car 110 of end of the 70's. According to my limited knowledge of German, this is true... Is today April the 1st!!?? Perhaps Pentax is going to claim the digital spy-camera market or get the license to produce a digital Minox camera... Pentax should rather stick to the Optio series than introduce a camera, that nobody takes seriously. What about all those rumours of the DSLR that accepts K-mount lenses? Or those of the new film flagship body, huh? I'm sure the Pentax future is being decided before our eyes at the moment Regards Artur ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: New of Pentax ultra-compact D-SLR based on 110
Hi Mike, Have you ever made a review of FA 100/2.8 macro lens?Do you have a chance to send such a test if you had from any magazine? Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Maybe Pentax can make a 110 film back for it! You just love to insult everything Pentax does--even when they haven't actually done it. --Mike ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: 31 and 35mm lenses tested in German magazine
Hi, I wonder how these tests are useful for us from the magazine. Nearly all 24mm lenses got less than 70 points out of 100. It seems that tele lenses get much higher notes than wide ones. Strange. SO maybe you are they are tested nearly full open. What do you think? And in this magazine Fa100/2.8 macro got very high mark - 86 Well done Pentax And in US magazine it was only 6/10.Also strange. Are there any huge optical differences between the same lenses or just diff conditions of tests? Alek Uytkownik Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: In the February edition of German ColorFoto (CF) magazine the SMC Pentax-FA 1:1.8 31mm Limited and the SMC Pentax-FA 1:2 35mm AL are tested along with 35mm/f1.4 lenses from Canon, Leica R, Minolta and Zeiss, 35mm/f2 lenses from Canon, Leica R, Minolta and Nikon, and a Zeiss 35mm/f2.8. For the last two years, the CF lens tests have shown a lot of consitency. Unfortunately CF usually tests lenses wide open and two stops down, so it is hard to compare the MTF results of lenses of different maximum aperture. However, this much can be said: Of the lenses with f=1.8 or 2 maximum aperture, Minolta and the two Pentaxes offer the best image quality with 20 points (out of 30) for sharpness/resolution and 28 points (out of 30) for contrast. Canon is close (19 and 28 points) while Leica (18 and 27) and Nikkor (17 and 27) are defeated. Looking at the MTF curves, the Minolta 35/f2 offers the best performance wide open. However, at f=4 the MTF of the the Pentax 31/f1.8 is by far the best with unusually small fall-off from centre to corner. Light fall-off (vignetting) is relatively well controlled in all lenses (7 points out of 10) except for Leica (5/10). The Leica (6/10), Canon (6/10) and Minolta (7/10) 35/f2s offer slightly less distortion than Pentax (5/10 each) and Nikon (5/10). The Minolta offers excellent centration (? Zentrierung in German) with 20 points out of 20, while Leica (18), Nikon (17), Pentax 31/f1.8 (17), Pentax 35/f2 (16), and Canon (15) offer good to mediocre centration (of the lens elements) only. BTW: Of the lenses with f1.4 maximum aperture, Canon and Leica are the best, however, at f2.8 the Contax 2.8/35 beats them all. Arnold ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: Re: New of Pentax ultra-compact D-SLR based on 110
You are right, Pil. We will see. Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I also wonder if Pentax release great dlsr and flagship. But I have heard that selling pro cameras does not makes profit so maybe it is not good idea to introduce such camera,especially that not many pros uses Pentax slr.Or Pentax wants to change it. Heaven knows. This a chicken and the egg problem. Pl ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: I had a nice day (LX images)
Hi All, It is truth that digital can rule very soon! It is amazing you can see you photos so quickly and in case it is not up to your expectation one can repeat them.Recently I carried out weathering research in my department and took some destroyed specimens using digital old Kodak 215 and some photos were not so good so I could return to lab and repeat it. So I hope Pentax will compete with other manufacturers in this field and one can use even old manual lenses.We will see. Alek PS LX is indeed very nice.Maybe I get it at last! Uytkownik Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi all, I had given up, but thanks to the perceverance of PDML member Arnold Stark, I managed to photograph some of the treasures of Pentax, Germany. This was two hours ago, and the first images are on the KMP. So, my conclusion -- DIGITAL RULES!!! Am I going to leave 35 mm film? No, but digital rules! I have a lot more, but the following should whet your appetite some... http://KMP.BDimitrov.de/bodies/photos/ Cheers, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = __ __ ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: BW with the Vivitar Series 1 28mm F1.9
Hi Fred, Have you received my e-mail? Alek PS With some questions... Uytkownik Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Check out this BW test shot (no artistry) I took today with the Vivitar Series 1 28mm F1.9 (VMC, M42 version): http://jcoconnell.com/temp/otherpool01s.jpg Oh, sure, JCO, stretched out by the pool, sipping an iced tea (or some other preferred beverage), taking test photos... OK, so how did you keep your toes out of the frame? ;-) The scene contrast range is enormous ( the raw histogram was very wide) yet there is excellent detail in the extreme highlights as well as the deep shadows. Hmmm... I've gotta go use this lens more than I do... I made a print from the full rez scan and it's very sharp indeed. I initially really liked this lens for color but its great for BW too. Great micro contrast. I ebay scored this lens a few months back for $99 mint. :) Highly recommended if you can get lucky find one. Yes, it ~is~ indeed a good lens. Oh yeah, The F1.9 makes it a joy to focus ( manually of course ). Never liked the darkish 28mm F3.5 SMCT as far as focussing goes, this is way nicer. True, but the SMCT/SMCP 28/3.5 design is still impressive. Fred ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: BW with the Vivitar Series 1 28mm F1.9
Hi Fred, Have you received my e-mail? Alek PS With some questions... Uytkownik Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Check out this BW test shot (no artistry) I took today with the Vivitar Series 1 28mm F1.9 (VMC, M42 version): http://jcoconnell.com/temp/otherpool01s.jpg Oh, sure, JCO, stretched out by the pool, sipping an iced tea (or some other preferred beverage), taking test photos... OK, so how did you keep your toes out of the frame? ;-) The scene contrast range is enormous ( the raw histogram was very wide) yet there is excellent detail in the extreme highlights as well as the deep shadows. Hmmm... I've gotta go use this lens more than I do... I made a print from the full rez scan and it's very sharp indeed. I initially really liked this lens for color but its great for BW too. Great micro contrast. I ebay scored this lens a few months back for $99 mint. :) Highly recommended if you can get lucky find one. Yes, it ~is~ indeed a good lens. Oh yeah, The F1.9 makes it a joy to focus ( manually of course ). Never liked the darkish 28mm F3.5 SMCT as far as focussing goes, this is way nicer. True, but the SMCT/SMCP 28/3.5 design is still impressive. Fred ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Fw: Re: Re: Pentax K-primes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi, It is true that in Europe one can buy K lenses quit cheap. for instance I have bought SMC K 135/2.5 lens in Vienna for 40$!!! in mint condition. What a great lens and I exchanged with my brother- I got SMC K105/2.8 and he got KX from me which I bought with M50/1.7 for 135$ so my 105mm was for about 90$ with Hama filter. Moreover I found SMC K28/3.5 for 75$ so I got three lenses very cheap. Alek Uytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: You did very well. Especially the 28 f3.5 - that is one outstanding lens. The 135 is very good and lite weight. Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: E. van Ginkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: Pentax K-primes Hi folks, I just bought two smc pentax K-primes (not M) a 3.5/135mm (35euro/U$) and a 3.5/28mm (41euro/U$). Are these lenses any good? Is the price right? Thanks in advance Rene --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Miliony czekaj na Ciebie w Internecie! htpp://republika.onet.pl/2,oferta.html ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: Pentax K-primes
Hi, It is true that in Europe one can buy K lenses quit cheap. for instance I have bought SMC K 135/2.5 lens in Vienna for 40$!!! in mint condition. What a great lens and I exchanged with my brother- I got SMC K105/2.8 and he got KX from me which I bought with M50/1.7 for 135$ so my 105mm was for about 90$ with Hama filter. Moreover I found SMC K28/3.5 for 75$ so I got three lenses very cheap. Alek Uytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: You did very well. Especially the 28 f3.5 - that is one outstanding lens. The 135 is very good and lite weight. Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: E. van Ginkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: Pentax K-primes Hi folks, I just bought two smc pentax K-primes (not M) a 3.5/135mm (35euro/U$) and a 3.5/28mm (41euro/U$). Are these lenses any good? Is the price right? Thanks in advance Rene --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Miliony czekaj na Ciebie w Internecie! htpp://republika.onet.pl/2,oferta.html
Re: Re: 200/f2.5 comes through with flying colours
Hi Fred, Have you received my e-mail with some questions? Please answer me directly, Alek Uytkownik Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Incredibly good result [snip] Once again verified to me just how good the lens is. [snip] If you ever see this lens-- grab it... If you are careful, this lens produces fantastic images; very sharp, great color rendition and the bokeh is very pleasing. Nice lens, nice results! You guys left me without anything much to add. The K 200/2.5 is indeed a sweet lens. Fred ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: Re: Can digital beat 6x7? Answer seems to be yes
Is for instance D100 equipped with the cord to have batteries under a jacket? Alek Uytkownik T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: The camera should work even better at low tempuratures. The batteries are the problem. If you can get them separated from the camera by a cord and keep the batteries in an inside pocket a digital camera should be great for cold weather photography. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Re: Can digital beat 6x7? Answer seems to be yes Hi, You all write about quality of digital vs medium format etc. and I have a question. What about shooting at very low temperatures ( I means -10C or lower)? Does digital camera can still work well, since it takes plenty of power etc.Everybody knows how for instance calculators/watches behave at such temperatures. So please write any comments/experiences. Alek Uytkownik Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Mike, I think there is one aspect where 67 beats digital. That is in cost for amateurs (meaning not making a living from their photography). Until your shooting quantity goes up quite a bit, cost will probably be one of the last strongholds of the film world for awhile. Not only that, we live in a good enough society right now, where price/cost is more important than quality. I believe that for many uses, 6MP D100 and D60 quality is good enough and that most won't want to pay much more than that. One more interesting note: I have watched a few photographers shooting digital and talked with a few, who indicate that they shoot more frames per session/subject than they did with film. The usual cited reason is lack of cost to shoot the frames. By shooting more, they insure/improve the likelihood of getting the shots they need. Doesn't seem to be that much different in mindset than taking a video camera and just let it run and then pick the best frame out of it. One starts to wonder if that will occur (whether with a vidcam or digicam). It would certainly change the style and role of the photographer. Bruce Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:18:47 PM, you wrote: MJ Can digital beat 6x7? MJ I thought the denizens of the PDML might be interested in these comments MJ from my friend Michael Reichmann, who runs the Luminous Landscape website MJ and publishes The Video Journal, a photography magazine on DVD. I have MJ Michael's permission to quote from his private e-mails: MJ I'm using a Canon 1Ds. The most remarkable photographic product I've MJ ever owned. Almost large format image quality from 35mm. It's hard not MJ to sound too enthusiastic about it. MJ I sold my Pentax 645 outfit when I got the 1Ds. No contest. MJ I have hung on to the Pentax 67 for the past couple of months, but with MJ every test I did, including side by side shoots the 1Ds images always MJ came out on top; resolution, colour purity, grain, everything. MJ So last week I took it all to my favourite online dealer and he's going MJ to be selling it for me. MJ I'm hanging on to my Hasselblad XPan and M Leica gear. Other than that MJ I'm now all digital. MJ MJ Michael favorably reviewed both the Pentax 645N and 67 on his site, and has MJ used both extensively in the field along with his previous Rollei 6008 MJ system. In parallel, he was going digital with the D30 when it came out. MJ By the way, when Michael says every test I did, including side by side MJ shoots, he really means it--he actually runs the tests and looks at the MJ results. In my experience of him, he truly has no particular axe to grind. MJ Looks like it's really getting to be a new world now. MJ --Mike ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: Can digital beat 6x7? Answer seems to be yes
Hi, You all write about quality of digital vs medium format etc. and I have a question. What about shooting at very low temperatures ( I means -10C or lower)? Does digital camera can still work well, since it takes plenty of power etc.Everybody knows how for instance calculators/watches behave at such temperatures. So please write any comments/experiences. Alek Uytkownik Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Mike, I think there is one aspect where 67 beats digital. That is in cost for amateurs (meaning not making a living from their photography). Until your shooting quantity goes up quite a bit, cost will probably be one of the last strongholds of the film world for awhile. Not only that, we live in a good enough society right now, where price/cost is more important than quality. I believe that for many uses, 6MP D100 and D60 quality is good enough and that most won't want to pay much more than that. One more interesting note: I have watched a few photographers shooting digital and talked with a few, who indicate that they shoot more frames per session/subject than they did with film. The usual cited reason is lack of cost to shoot the frames. By shooting more, they insure/improve the likelihood of getting the shots they need. Doesn't seem to be that much different in mindset than taking a video camera and just let it run and then pick the best frame out of it. One starts to wonder if that will occur (whether with a vidcam or digicam). It would certainly change the style and role of the photographer. Bruce Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:18:47 PM, you wrote: MJ Can digital beat 6x7? MJ I thought the denizens of the PDML might be interested in these comments MJ from my friend Michael Reichmann, who runs the Luminous Landscape website MJ and publishes The Video Journal, a photography magazine on DVD. I have MJ Michael's permission to quote from his private e-mails: MJ I'm using a Canon 1Ds. The most remarkable photographic product I've MJ ever owned. Almost large format image quality from 35mm. It's hard not MJ to sound too enthusiastic about it. MJ I sold my Pentax 645 outfit when I got the 1Ds. No contest. MJ I have hung on to the Pentax 67 for the past couple of months, but with MJ every test I did, including side by side shoots the 1Ds images always MJ came out on top; resolution, colour purity, grain, everything. MJ So last week I took it all to my favourite online dealer and he's going MJ to be selling it for me. MJ I'm hanging on to my Hasselblad XPan and M Leica gear. Other than that MJ I'm now all digital. MJ MJ Michael favorably reviewed both the Pentax 645N and 67 on his site, and has MJ used both extensively in the field along with his previous Rollei 6008 MJ system. In parallel, he was going digital with the D30 when it came out. MJ By the way, when Michael says every test I did, including side by side MJ shoots, he really means it--he actually runs the tests and looks at the MJ results. In my experience of him, he truly has no particular axe to grind. MJ Looks like it's really getting to be a new world now. MJ --Mike ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: Re: Pentax DSLR: e-mail from Pentax USA
Hi, do you know the price of Limited 43/1.9 and PZ-1p if available in your country (in $ please). Alek Uytkownik Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Dear all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's ironic is the fact that Canon can't keep up with demand on the D60, (try to findone in stock anywhere) yet an entire year later they plan to offer a D90? Who are they kidding. They put the stuff out before they make them. In fact, there are lot of stocks of D60 here in Hong Kong. You can buy D60 instantly in any of the major camera shops, or even the chain consumer AV equipment stores. DPReview.com has reported that Canon discontinued D60. At a similar time last year, i.e. few months before PMA, Canon discontinued D30 to make way for D60. I won't be surprised if we are going to see replacement products for D60 in the coming PMA2003. D90 or the rumoured D3 is very likely. Pentax is therefore again planning something obsolete before even it reach the market. I only hope that the rumoured 10M Foveon D-SLR can save their face. Regards, Henry Chu _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
Re: LIMITEDS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD
Hi, Do you think 43Limited is better than A/FA 50/1.4 lenses? Alek Uytkownik whereswayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi gang I have just got my first roll back shot with both the 43 and 77mm limteds and all i can say is the images are just surperb- there is a warmness to sunsets that wasnot there before and detail captured is amazing Flare is non existant even shooting into the sun.. About the 43mm being less sharp than the 50's well i rarely shoot at 1.7 or even 2.8 however at 5.6 and onwards it rips out my eyes. It and the 77 just grab details from the background that i have never seen before almost medium format like. I was also shooting with a Tokina 28=70mm ATX pro 2.6-2.8 and 24-90mm Pentax (flares pretty badly but is sharp and contrasty just doesnot have the image detail of the 77mm) i could clearly could see a difference on prints back from the lab. A word on the 20mm FA I am a little disapointed the images seem flat compared to the 43mm. Also for those who warned me away from the tamron 14mm it is a keeper, images i have taken were sharper at the centre than the 20mm FA and flare was well controlled. Images displayed a warmth similar to the 43mm but without the same crisp detail. Hopefully images will be up soon wayne ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re: Re: throughts and comments and experiences on the following tamron 17mm=
; 24mm adaptall; 180mm adaptall and 80-200mm 2.8 HELP?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: onet.poczta Hi Fred, How do you assess K200/2.5?Better/worse than present FA200/2.8 lens? Is there a problem with bokeh like you say it is with K105/2.8 lens? If it is it is probably when the lens is wide open. I own K135/2.5 and it is also very nice lens. Do you think 43 Limited is better than A/FA 50/1.4 lenses? Alek Uytkownik Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: The 180/2.5 is legendary and scarce. I saw a review once in Modern Photo that was (as I recall) quite favorable. I've watched 2 or 3 of these go on eBay recently, which was just for curiosity, since I have a K 200/2.5 that I'm very happy with, but they did look interesting. The 80-200/2.8 is a fine zoom. I think JCO just won one of these on eBay. He maybe doesn't have it in his possession just yet, but perhaps he'll share his experiences with it soon. (I'm personally curious as to just how it might compare to the more common Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8, which I can say is a really nice fast zoom.) Fred ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Chcesz oszczdzi na kosztach obsugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes
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Re: Re: Canon 1Ds (little pentax content)
Hi, I also worry about it! We will see. Alek Uytkownik Peter Spiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Yes, by all accounts Canon and Nikon are making really excellent digital SLRs. This is worrying from the viewpoint of Pentax's eventual competitiveness in this field. With film cameras, the manufacturer has to be a good optical company. The box doesn't affect picture quality -- that depends on the lens and the film, and you can use any brand of film in any camera. In digital cameras, the greatest difference comes from the electronics, and it is hard to see Pentax, with its late start and limited range, keeping up. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Market Research and Hypothetical Questions
Hi, Do you think PZ1p is much better than PZ1? I has the latter and sometimes wonder whether to look for another the same body ( I like ergonomics of PZ1 very much) or spend extra money for p version.Angle of built-in flash is not important for me 3pictures per 1s. I take mostly slides and own some K and M lenses apart from A50/1.7 and Tamron SP 90/2.8 manual version so for me metering is important and build quality. Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Mike, In terms of using this group for Market Research, we would be more of an Expert Panel than a typical focus group. Sometimes consumer products companies recruit groups of 8-10 people for a 2 hour discussion of some issues. Product management/marketing folks sit behind the one way mirror and watch the discussion. This list would not be an average group of users, but a special group of very experienced, knowledgeable product users. Sometimes consumer products companies will recruit these kinds of groups. Your hypothetical questions/conclusions regarding too many of us liking old, manual focus cameras and lenses seems incorrect to me. Cameras are a lifetime purchase for most consumers, maybe twice or three times a lifetime, but not more often. People bought a 'good' 35mm camera, and then treated it carefully. Pentax is in a difficult business. In the last 40 years, it has gone from producing high quality instruments to quality cameras for the mass market (think ME, ME Super), to Point-n-shoot stuff for Walmart or Boots the Chemist. The high end of this business is full of folks who expect top quality optical and mechanical products as the minimum. Old Spotmatic or Super Program or LX users if you will. Meanwhile, the profits on new sales are being made on the large, mass market cheap zoom cameras. How to revive the high end business?... it's not easy. Look at what we like. High quality optics with a quality feel when handling. Oh, and the task is complicated by the fact that you have 30 years of old lenses exported to the world when the Yen was cheap. These old, high quality lenses are available at a significant discount to their cost to reproduce today. Much the same is true for camera bodies. Japan has responded to the cost pressures by going from 100's of parts in a K1000 to 10's of parts in a point-n-shoot zoom. And we yearn for the good old cameras... If I put on my Marketing/Product Manager hat, I'd say this. If you want to sell some more high end Pentax camera gear, you've got to give the consumer something they haven't got now. Autofocus is a potential benefit/feature which will get some of these folks to switch. (But don't introduce a fine camera like the PZ-1 combined with a poor optical/mechanical 28-80 power zoom!) Image stabilization lenses and digital are two more potential hooks to draw the customer in. Medium format is another. So yes, I do like old gear but I could be made to switch. Just remember, we are a price conscious group of users. If you want me to buy something new, you've got to give me the kind of price/performance I can get in the used market. ...and I do own 2 limited lenses, a PZ-1 and PZ-p, and 4-5 more FA lenses. Regards, Bob S. In a message dated 12/18/02 9:22:55 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is pretty much what I was wondering about when I wrote the original Hypothetical Question. People here wonder whether Pentax monitors this list (they do), and whether they listen to our advice when advising Japan about product development...I don't know whether they do that or not, but I have to wonder if it would be productive if they did. I know that one Pentax person has told me privately that despite all the gushing and lauding of the LX on this list, even diehards weren't buying new LX's at the end of its lifespan. Most were buying used, or were using LXen purchased many years previously.
Re: PZ-1 vs PZ-1p ... (was Market Research and Hypothetical Questions)
Hi, Firstly I would like to buy another body. I have SMC K105/2.8, SMC K135/2.5, M35/2.8, A50/1.7 and A1.4 and K28/3.5 and Tamron SP 90/2.8 macro +Super A and Metz 40MZ and extension tubes. I start buying AF lenses if Pentax introduce dslr which will be compatible with FA and manual lenses. If not I shall think about changing system, since starting with AF world it is better to choose C I think:) USM, IS, more lenses.But I would like to use more gear since I have collected very good lenses so far, to buy them in different system I shall spend plenty of money. It would be better to buy MZS or PZ1 once more.Are you pleased with PZ cameras? Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek, I like the slides shot on my PZ-1 better than the ones on the PZ-1p. The PZ-1p exposures metering seems more tuned to taking print films. I don't care about the built-in flash coverage. I like the 3.5 frames per second motor on the PZ-1p. Fill flash is also easy with the PZ-1p, but I don't flash often. Otherwise, these cameras are identical - same body, same electronics. It sounds like you should stick with the PZ-1 and buy/try some FA lenses. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Do you think PZ1p is much better than PZ1? I has the latter and sometimes wonder whether to look for another the same body ( I like ergonomics of PZ1 very much) or spend extra money for p version.Angle of built-in flash is not important for me 3pictures per 1s. I take mostly slides and own some K and M lenses apart from A50/1.7 and Tamron SP 90/2.8 manual version so for me metering is important and build quality. Alek ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: Yellow scourge
Hi Fred, Did you like my Christmas card? Alek Uytkownik Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Does the K 50mm/f:1.4 suffer the yellow scourge of its screw mount brothers? Gee, I've never heard of ~any~ K-mount lens that had the yellow scourge. I'm assuming that it only occurred only in lenses produced during certain years of the screwmount era. (I'm just making an assumption here, though, and perhaps someone who really knows what they're talking about can jump in...) Fred ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re: 24/2.8K (was: Re: Re: K35/3.5 K35/2 M35/2.8 (was: Who has switched...=
))?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: onet.poczta Thanks! I just wonder if A24/2.8 is better or not. If using with modern bodies it pays to buy A version since advanced metering is available. Alek Uytkownik Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I agree with Jonathan on all his points, especially regarding the 24/2.8K's contrast and saturation. Back in 2000, I believe, I voted the SMC 24/2.8K my favorite lens, adding that it makes me look like a better photographer than I am. Yesterday I mentioned that I sold it, and my Zenitar 20/2.5K, when I decided to compromise on a Carl Zeiss Jena 20/2.8K whose real focal length appears to be 22mm. Parting was painful, but happily the winning bidder lived in Hong Kong, where, he said, he was unable to find the 24/2.8K. I was happy I could transfer it to a happy new owner. Alek wrote: How do you assess K24/2.8 lens? Jonathan Donald replied: I have not done technical tests of any of my lenses, but my impressions and observations of this lens under real world use are as follows: Under magnification, it is not as sharp wide open in the corners as my K 5/3.5, (albeit 2.8 vs. 3.5). I imagine that this trend continues if examined under a microscope, but I find it to be visually very sharp at f4 and above. This is complimented by the fact that it has very nice, brilliant, color rendition and a ton of contrast. The images ~look~ very crisp with fine detail. I am also amazed at how resistent to flare this lens is. It usually exhibits those little repeating pentagons (ghosting I guess) under really bad lighting angles but dosen't tend to flare with the bright haze that ruins the whole image. I have used it a number of times to make diffraction sun-stars and the like with excellent results. Lens tests aside, I love this lens and consider it to be an awesome 24mm. I would not trade it for the FA* 24/2 because of the weight difference and fine build quality and feel of the K 24mm. It is easy to hyperfocal, and generally fast enough for most situations. It is my favorite wide angle, and probably my most used lens. Period. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Hypothetical Question
So we will see what happens! I think Pentax knows that many users sticks to them since they have great compatibility. But not many people start with Pentax since they have no silent and ultra fast quit cheap motors and plenty of gear not mentioning that sale assistants usual advise new buyers to choose Canon/Nikon. Moreover, some people want to use gear which is used by pros. So we will see. Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: My question is this: Could Pentax actually use this list for advice and stay in business? We may be too eclectic a group to be a good source of market research. We still argue over the PZ-1p vs the MZ-S. Many here don't even want autofocus. This is pretty much what I was wondering about when I wrote the original Hypothetical Question. People here wonder whether Pentax monitors this list (they do), and whether they listen to our advice when advising Japan about product development...I don't know whether they do that or not, but I have to wonder if it would be productive if they did. I know that one Pentax person has told me privately that despite all the gushing and lauding of the LX on this list, even diehards weren't buying new LX's at the end of its lifespan. Most were buying used, or were using LXen purchased many years previously. Some of the comments about a digital SLR would probably be of value to them, especially from the perspective of not alienating longtime Pentax aficionados. But of course that's only going to be one consideration out of many in the design and concept of the new camera. We're only a few months away now...the Pentax DSLR is coming, --Mike
Re: more on ghostless coating [quite long]
Dear PDML memebers! Sorry for polish text! And for you Sylwek thanks for the answer. I asked about LX since I wrote somewhere that production costs of it were very high and probably made losses! I wonder if now Pentax makes profit. Of course they are strong in MF but what about slr? No pro camera, no lenses which are bought by pros so that is why I ask about it. Probably not many people buy 80-200/2.8 which is very expensive and has no motor sth like USM, AF-S etc. They MUST introduce sth new to find new clients, since now salesmen usually advice them to buy Canon/Nikon because of not the good optics but because these brands has above technologies and IS, VR! And everyone can see that pros use Canon/Nikon gear (sport,journalists etc). I just wonder if Pentax is able to give some journalists in future pro cameras+lenses just for advertisement Alek Uytkownik Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi, I have used babelfish to translate Japanese Pentax pages and found very interesting translation of on-line lenses catalogue. Below links may break, so you may have to put them together: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_sz.html%23sz -faz24f35-90f45lp=ja_entt=url http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_tz.html%23tz -faz100f47-300f58lp=ja_entt=url http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?tt=urlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.pentax.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_t.htm llp=ja_en http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_m.htmllp=ja _entt=url http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?tt=urlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.pentax.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_s.htm llp=ja_en http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_w.htmllp=ja _entt=url Just look at lenses descriptions. It seems that ghostless coating is applied to almost every new lens produced after 199x (?)!!! So here we have not only Limiteds, but also new FA 35/2, FA* 200/4 Macro and even cheap long zooms like FA 100-300/4.7-5.8 and 80-320/4.5-5.6. Those lenses with ghostless coating seems to be newer than the other and so it is no random mentioning of normal SMC... What do you think? It seems that it is true, so Bojidar's page should be updated than, and of course we could look at newer lenses (even cheap ones) as better (in terms of multicoating) then older ones. That made me think how many other mysteries could be solved if they only had english version of their original site... -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: I'm through with autofocus (lenses for sale)
Hi, What price do you expect to get for FA 50/1.4? So you change system, to which one? Alek Uytkownik Coleman Nee [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi everyone. My ZX-5n finally died altogether recently, and I can't bring myself to throw good money after bad by buying another autofocus body. That's why I'm selling all of my autofocus lenses and accessories. They haven't been getting much use lately since I find I enjoy manual focusing more anyway. I was thinking of putting all this stuff up for sale on E-Bay, but I've never used that service before and thought it might be more efficient to target Pentax users directly through this list. Is that a good idea, or is E-bay more secure? (advice welcome) All of the lenses are in good shape, some like new. Most have some degree of the play that is all too common with autofocus lenses. I can't stand that, but I am more intolerant than some. Anyway, here's a list of what's on offer with descriptions: FA 50/1.4 - Clean glass, barrel wobbly but it works fine. FA 50/1.7 - Clean glass with a couple of teeny-tiny specks inside, less wobbly than the 1.4 but it still annoys me. FA 50/2.8 Macro - Beautiful, like new with original box, lens case, hardly used at all. It rattles a little bit, but that mostly clears up with CLAMP dial set to ON. This one didn't get much use because my camera died shortly aftery I bought it. FA 28/2.8 - like new, VERY sharp, almost no wobblyness. Also didn't get much use because of the dead camera. FA 135/2.8 - Great lens, excellent shape, a few tiny specks and focus ring a little wobbly, but it works fine. In original box. Focuses nice and close! FA 28-70/4 - Good shape, a few rattles but I've seen worse samples. A nice kicking-around lens. F 80-200/4.7-5.6 - Cheapest AF lens I own, but the best put together (almost no rattles). Go figure. Almost like new with a couple of VERY tiny specks inside. Surprisingly nice lens in original box. 49mm filter size is a real bonus. Accessories: Battery pack, cable release, AF220T flash., assorted 49mm and 52mm UV filters. I really have no idea how much to ask. I bought them all through NYC retailers (mostly BH or Adorama), so I would expect some reasonable fraction of the new price depending on condition. I still have store receipts for most things. All have had very light use except for the 50/1.4 and 28-70/4, but even they are in quite good shape. I am reluctant to get rid of the 50 macro because it takes such excellent pictures and is reasonably pleasant to focus manually. I also love the 135/2.8. It takes great pictures too, but the wobbly focus ring means it works best as an AF lens, so I am definitely getting rid of it. (It should be clear by now that AF rattles drive me absolutely nuts!) A very nice prime lens kit would be the 28, 50 macro and 135. If someone buys all three I will throw in the ZX-5n with the dead autofocus motor. Who knows, an enterprising Pentaxian might be able to fix it. I could also throw in accessories if someone buys more than one of the remaining lenses. Anyway, feel free to make your best offer, or to give me advice on using E-Bay. I would prefer to ship in the USA or Canada, but I will take offers from farther afield if the price is right. Thanks in advance for your help. Coleman Nee _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: Rumour mill again...
Hi , Do you know if dslr accept also A, M and K lenses like present bodies. I still wonder what financial condition of Pentax is , if they are making profit selling their cameras or loss. Sometimes I also think about changing system since no one knows what the future for Pentax is. Canon/Nikon has now a few digital bodies and probably earn money since also pros buy their equipment. Pity few pros use Pentax one. Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Rob wrote: The SLR will accept all 35mm Pentax-AF lenses and will have an environtmentally sealed body. If this is true, then it's film sibling is certainly the long awaited flagship Pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- wita tu tu! http://swieta.onet.pl
Re: Re: more on ghostless coating [quite long]
czesc!Mozesz cos wiecej napisac o tych nowych powlokach?Czy sie charakteryzuja? Niby nowy dslr ma obslugiwac obiektywy FA, a co z A M i K? Ciekaw jestem jak Pentax stoi finansowo, czy sprzedaje duzo puszek itd, czy tez przynosi straty jak bylo z LX-em. martwi mnie ze firma malo (niemal wcale nie liczy sie wsrod zawodowcow w malym obrazku). Nie chcialbym wychodzic z sytemu, uzbieralem troche klamotow, niektore szukalem 2 lata, a w innym nie kupie tak okazyjnie jak np SMC K 135/2.5, SMC K105/2.8 itd. Inna sprawa ze do Nikona i Canona jest duzo na wtornym rynku. Lekko rozdarty w sobie Alek Uytkownik Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: on 17.12.02 0:26, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just look at lenses descriptions. It seems that ghostless coating is applied to almost every new lens produced after 199x (?)!!! So here we have not only Limiteds, but also new FA 35/2, FA* 200/4 Macro and even cheap long zooms like FA 100-300/4.7-5.8 and 80-320/4.5-5.6. Searching on the keyword ghostless on the European and US Pentax sites will reveal the press releases associated with lenses featuring Ghostless coatings, also and incidentally all are also SMC coated. You are right, but it also confirms what I said. Still Bojidar's site needs to be updated, just because almost every new lens (like cheapo FA 35-80/4-5.6) from Pentax features ghostless coating - not only the high end ones. Even older lenses has this coating - just look at FA 28-70/4. Japanese site has FULL INFORMATION which lenses have this feature and which have not. As usual it is far more complete than its European or American counterparts! Let's hope Boz will update K-mount equipment page in the future! -- Best Regards Sylwek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: Re: more on ghostless coating [quite long]
Sorry I wanted to ask Sylwester directly, in Polish. Alek Uytkownik Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: At 12:23 17.12.2002 +0100, you wrote: czesc!Mozesz cos wiecej napisac o tych nowych powlokach?Czy sie charakteryzuja? Niby nowy dslr ma obslugiwac obiektywy FA, a co z A M i K? Ciekaw jestem jak Pentax stoi finansowo, czy sprzedaje duzo puszek itd, czy tez przynosi straty jak bylo z LX-em. martwi mnie ze firma malo (niemal wcale nie liczy sie wsrod zawodowcow w malym obrazku). Nie chcialbym wychodzic z sytemu, uzbieralem troche klamotow, niektore szukalem 2 lata, a w innym nie kupie tak okazyjnie jak np SMC K 135/2.5, SMC K105/2.8 itd. Inna sprawa ze do Nikona i Canona jest duzo na wtornym rynku. Lekko rozdarty w sobie Alek I see... but have no idea what you are talking about :-) Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 500 789 753 * * Computec Oy Turku * FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 10 264 0777 * --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: Re: more on ghostless coating [quite long]
Sorry I wanted to ask Sylwester directly, in Polish. Alek Uytkownik Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: At 12:23 17.12.2002 +0100, you wrote: czesc!Mozesz cos wiecej napisac o tych nowych powlokach?Czy sie charakteryzuja? Niby nowy dslr ma obslugiwac obiektywy FA, a co z A M i K? Ciekaw jestem jak Pentax stoi finansowo, czy sprzedaje duzo puszek itd, czy tez przynosi straty jak bylo z LX-em. martwi mnie ze firma malo (niemal wcale nie liczy sie wsrod zawodowcow w malym obrazku). Nie chcialbym wychodzic z sytemu, uzbieralem troche klamotow, niektore szukalem 2 lata, a w innym nie kupie tak okazyjnie jak np SMC K 135/2.5, SMC K105/2.8 itd. Inna sprawa ze do Nikona i Canona jest duzo na wtornym rynku. Lekko rozdarty w sobie Alek I see... but have no idea what you are talking about :-) Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 500 789 753 * * Computec Oy Turku * FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 10 264 0777 * --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: more on ghostless coating [quite long]
Just ask Yoshihiko!! Alek Uytkownik Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: on 17.12.02 13:34, Bojidar Dimitrov at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bojidar, Well, I went to the USA site today, and searched for ghostless. All that came up was: 24-90, 28-105/3.2-4.5, FA35/2, and FA200 Macro. I've updated my internal KMP version. There was also one more match on the USA site, and it was a press-release about the FA35-80/4-5.6 as well as FA100-300/4.7-5.8. Curiously, the ghostless coating was only mentioned on the 35-80 lens, and I assume that this is a mistake. Sylwester, you would not believe how many mistakes there are in these press-releases and product catalogs!!! I know that there are many mistakes. But incidentally on Japanese site both 100-300/4.7-5.8 and 35-80/4-5.6 are claimed to have ghostless coating - at least accordingly to bablefish tranlation - that's why I would ask somebody who knows Japanese very well to translate this fragments of lenses descriptions. And japanese site is usually quite accurate in terms of technical parameters. And it seems it wasn't just Japanese mistake, because only newer lenses are claimed to have ghostless coating. Now who will solve this problem??? After the changes that I made today (not yet visible for you guys), I will not modify the KMP until I get some more consvinsing evidence. Is there anybody who could go to Japanese Pentax site and read at which lenses is mentioned ghostless coating??? Please help us :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: Bad Bokeh vs. Baaaad Bokeh (WAS: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm2.8)
I wonder if you stepped down a bit a lens was the bokeh still bad? BTW, how do you assess A501/4 in comparison with other 50mm Pentax lenses?Better/worse than FA version? PS But for instance Yoshihiko believes that K105/2.8 very good lens. I share the opinion, stepping down a bit should help a lot. Alek What about K85/1.8 ggesting that anyone should necessarily go and sell his/her 105. I did so, myself, and specifically for its bokeh characteristics, but that's because bokeh is very important to me. In my opinion, there is nothing else at all wrong with the 105's lens design - nonetheless, I would not be doing anybody any favor by ignoring to mention a lens' faults - if never a bad word were to be said about any Pentax gear on the PDML, then we list members would not be able to benefit fully from our collective experience here. That would not be wise, unless of course they want to sell it to me. ;-) Fred --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: K35/3.5 K35/2 M35/2.8 (was: Who has switched...)
How do you assess K24/2.8 lens? Alek Uytkownik Jonathan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I will second the comments Andre made concerning the K 35/3.5. It is one hell of a sharp lens with practically no flare at all. I have comtemplated replacing it with one of Pentax's f2 versions, but I can't really justify two 35's and I'm NOT getting rid of my K 35/3.5. It is the lightest of their 35's, albeit slightly larger than the M/A types. The slow speed is somewhat compensated for by the fact that it is still amazingly sharp at full aperture. I find myself using this lens more and more for the fine detail and overall brilliance of the pictures it produces. It is well worth the $95 USD that I paid for it in like new condition. Admittedly I use my K 24/2.8 far more often because I like its angle of view and brighter image in the finder, but the K 35/3.5 ~is~ indeed in an a special optical class above most other lenses I've used. -Jonathan- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- wita tu tu! http://swieta.onet.pl
Re: New Pentax DSLR With Exising K Mount
Hi, What about old manual K lenses(K, M and A)? Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Everybody relax. Pentax USA says the new Pentax DLSR, will of course, take the existing K mount lenses for sure. Robert James --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Optio 330 review (long)
What enlargements have you done? What quality? Alek Uytkownik Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Pentax Optio 330 review by Christian Skofteland I'll start out by noting that I purchased this camera as a digital replacement of my IQZoom 120 film camera. I still use the IQZoom but not as frequently as the Optio. I should also add the disclaimer that I've only used one other digital camera prior to buying the Optio. 1. First impressions, feel, ergonomics, fit and finish. overall the Optio 330 is well built camera. It is small. REALLY SMALL! It easily fits in the front pocket of my jeans, inside jacket pocket or shirt pocket. It is constructed of metal (except the CF and battery door) and feels very solid. The camera controls are well laid-out and become very intuitive and natural to use. Because of its small size I find gripping the camera to be a bit awkward (the small size was a big selling point for me). I still have not come up with a universal way to hold the camera that doesn't feel strange. Two other negatives: The power-on and zoom are very loud and the front cover tends to get warm (almost hot) during normal use. 2. Controls, viewfinder, LCD. As mentioned above, the controls are very intuitive and natural to use. Menu options are easy to understand and straight forward. The viewfinder is small and almost useless for people who use eyeglasses (such as myself). I find myself using the LCD screen rather than the optical viewfinder. The LCD screen has multiple modes and settings and is overall very good. 3. Use The first thing I did (after the battery charged) was start messing with all the settings while popping off shots left and right. DONT DO THIS Of the main settings (sharpness, contrast, saturation) KEEP THE DEFAULTS I ended up with a lot of people with very red faces. The white balance settings are perfect for what they are designed, ie: Daylight, Shade, Incandescent, Fluorescent work well. Auto works in a pinch but still gives you odd colors depending on the situation. Initially I had problems with focus. The default of Wide-focus was inadequate. I would think I was focusing on a subject and the camera would focus on a distant object.. I know use spot focus and I have not had issues. Manual focus is useless. The preview and display functions are probably the same for any digital camera. Movie mode is fun if all you want is cheezy, low-res, choppy video. My 6 year-old daughter loves it. I have not used multiple exposure modes yet. 4. Results, conclusions. As stated before I initially was disappointed with the results due to a) my messing with the settings and b) focus area. Now I get the results I would expect. Actually, being new to digital, I am very pleased with the quality of images captured by the camera. The optical zoom is quick and at 3x a very good range. Digital zoom gives surprisingly good results. Many people have told me that digital zoom is crappy but I have no complaints (although it never really gets used). The flash coverage seems adequate but I have not tried to push it very much. Again, this is a snap-shooter, I'm not trying anything artsy or fancy with it. I have not tried any manual exposure modes so I can't comment on their usage. All in all I'm pleased with the camera. It is a worthy replacement for my PS. Links: dpreview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxoptio330/ An extensive review of the 330 optio underwater: http://photography.skofteland.net/optiouw/ All images (except those of the camera in the case) were made with the Optio 330. Optio samples: http://photography.skofteland.net/optiosamples/ I just threw this page together. It's not pretty. Christian --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re: Re: A new DSLR standard emerging? (WAS: Re: Nikon DX lenses: Is this wh=
atPentax is up to?)?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: onet.poczta Hi, I agree with you.Using old lenses on new bodies would be enough. Alek Uytkownik Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I am, for one, would be glad to see the new lenses, as long as Pentax continues the backward-compatibility with the old ones. I want to use the old lenses on DSLR. Not the new ones on LX. Faec it, it's like complaining that 35mm lenses don't cover the whole 6x7 circle. Who gives? Besides, a potential to have a decent tiny 10-100 f/1.4 zoom for DSLR is waaay too cool lo be overlooked. Best, Mishka Subject: Re: A new DSLR standard emerging? (WAS: Re: - If Pentax decides to build such smaller-coverage lenses, even if they are K-mount, this will mean the end of the unrivaled K-mount compatibility. And let's face it, this is the only real advantage of Pentax's SLRs. Yes, they build small and cute cameras, but that's just a plus and not a real argument. --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: Re: K35/3.5 K35/2 M35/2.8 (was: Who has switched...)
Hi, I own M35/2.8 and just wondered if K35/3.5 or 2.0 is much better to re-sell M version and think about any other K or FA 35mm. Now I am waiting what Pentax does with digital. maybe it would not pay to stick with him. KSMC 135/2.5 is really very nice performer. I bought it like new in Vienna one year ago for only 40$!!! I was very lucky. Cheers, Alek Uytkownik Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek, it's hard to compare 2 different lenses like the 35/3.5 and the 135/3.5. I have been very well served by the 135/2.5 (in black white). And also by the 35/3.5 for the few shots (maybe 20) I took with it. I have not checked the negatives with a microscope and don't think I will ever do it as I react to the photographs globally: are they interesting or not? There are a few factors that can make a photo look uninteresting (bad timimg, bad composition, flare, etc.) and they are overwhelming compared to qualities like definition, because all those lenses we are talking about have a very good resolving power. The difference between them is very small. 35/3.5 has indeed a very high resolving power, it is a known fact, so if you intend to do big enlargments, it might be better to have a bit more definition (100 lines compared to 80). But it could be more important to try to fix other important parameters like using best lens aperture (and a tripod) or fast enough speed (if without a tripod), or using a hood (not necessary with the 35/3.5). You can make a photo for the front page of a magazine with 35/3.5 but also with the supposedly worse 28/2.8 (M or A). These two are still very good lenses. If Salgado got his Leica gear robbed and used,for a few days (before getting new gear), a locally found Spotmatic + 55/2, he would make as nice photos and most people wouldn't notice a difference (unless they knew about it -- a kind of placebo effect...). But I understand you would like to grab the best for your photo bag and feel confident because of that. It's not a bad idea. So, do yourself a favor, buy the 35/3.5 and know you can use it at any aperture and against the light source, and go for the pic, the one your friends will remember. Kind regards, Andre Is K35/3.5 better than your K135/2.5? I also own it and wonder. Alek Uzytkownik Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa?: Andre wrote: Having said that, K35/3.5 is in a special class. It is one of the highest resolution lens ever made, and have no flare even with spot lights in front of you. But rather big and slow. How is it wide open? Pll I used it twice during shows with spot lights in front of me, wide open (with Tri-X at 1000) and still no flare and good contrast. I don't think I have scanned at 2700 dpi any of the photos I did with this lens in order to really check definition. (I took most photos with a 85/1.8 and a 135/2.5). The ultimate test would be a slow slide scanned at 4000 dpi. Anyway, it is probably one of the safest lens to use wide open. In the same league as recent FA wide angles. Andre -- --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz dosc p?acenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za?z konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank -- --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- wita tu tu! http://swieta.onet.pl
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re: Re: If you left Pentax, what Scurvy Dawg system would you invite into y=
our life??= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: onet.poczta I also would like to stay with Pentax, if comaptibility of new dslr and old manual lenses will be ensured. Why do not you like Canon? Alek Uytkownik Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: 1.) I would never like to quit Pentax, as Pentax offers great lenses with the K and F series lenses being my favourites. Also, Pentax has some very nice and affordable bodies (MX, K2DMD, LX, MZ3). Finally, Pentax offers unmatched compatibilty and unsurpassed coatings. 2.) Olympus offers the small high quality bodies OM3 and OM4 plus a series of very nice, small and affordable lenses. Definitely my 2nd choice. 3.) Nikon is the only other company besides Pentax with a system in which I can combine manual (FM3A) and autofocus bodies (F801x) and lenses. However, there are much more compatibility restricitions than with Pentax, the system is quite expensive, and I have a big dislike for huge bodies like the F4, F5 or F100. 4.) The prices for Contax manual focus gear on the 2nd hand market seem to be falling, which makes the system quite attractive to me. Plus there is one AF body (AX) for the manual focus lenses. The new AF Contax system, however, I can detect nothing attractive about. 5.) Voigtlnder offers a very nice rangefinder system with very affordable, high quality lenses, that I would have an intense look at, too. 6.) Minolta have some very good auto focus lenses, and I like the manual focus gear, however, the two are not compatible. 7.) Leica M (too expensive) 8.) Leica R (too big, too heavy, too expensive) 9.) Canon (simply horrible) Arnold --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re: Re: A new DSLR standard emerging? (WAS: Re: Nikon DX lenses: Is this w=
hat Pentax is up to?)?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: onet.poczta Hi, You are right. If we cannot use out nice manaual lenses and even new FA ones on future dslr it would be the end of Pentax in slr market. I do hope it will be the truth. Alek uytkownik Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi, What bad feeling I have about this... First of all, releasing lenses with smaller coverage circles seems to indicate that the APS-sized digitals are here to stay. Like Alin, I too had hoped that they are only for-the-time-being solutions. If Pentax decides to build such smaller-coverage lenses, even if they are K-mount, this will mean the end of the unrivaled K-mount compatibility. And let's face it, this is the only real advantage of Pentax's SLRs. Yes, they build small and cute cameras, but that's just a plus and not a real argument. If I cannot use my A20/2,8 as a 20-mm lens on a future digital camera, then I have no reason to stick to Pentax and their slowness in extending their SLR technology. As to Paal's argument that the new lenses will be cheaper... Maybe, but how long will it take Pentax to re-release a full-range of lenses equivalent to 15mm-400mm? Not long enough for me to stick around... Let's hope this is all just a bad dream... Cheers, Boz -- _\\|//_ Imagination is more important than knowledge... 0(` O-O ')0 A. Einstein ===ooO=(_)=Ooo=== Bojidar D. Dimitrov author and editor, Pentax K-Mount web page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmp.BDimitrov.de/ = __ __ --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- wita tu tu! http://swieta.onet.pl
Re: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?
Hi, It is truth that old K, M lenses are built very well. My SMC K 135/2.5 is built like a tank and other my K i M lenses are very good in this respect. Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek wrote: Thank you! so for the price K35/3.5 is great and if one can afford to buy FA version it pays. I shall try to find old for beginning. The problem with AF lenses (most of them anyway) is that they are AF lenses; loose, rattly, and focuses past infinity. Unfortunately, I've discovered that initially tight AF lenses develop looseness over time. It may well be that some newer AF designs are potentially beter optically, but getting the best out of them is more of a hassle. Older, MF lenses are built to last forever and my experience is that they do and never ever get out of alignment or develop rattles. Pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: new nikon may pint the way for new pentax lens??????????
So Nikon/Canon have some problems with dim light?What about accuracy? Alek Uytkownik John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:28:42 +1030, you wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0212/02121201nikondxlenses.asp I think I've seen Pentax zoom video lenses with an amazing range something like 6mm - 1000mm f1.1, packed in a package smaller than a normal 35mm 28-200 zoom. It would be cool to have one of those attached to a Pentax DSLR. Nikon will sell a ton of those small-image-circle wide angle zooms - unless Sigma beats them to the punch with a wider zoom range at one-third the price. Pentax take note - this small-sensor-optimized zoom is a good thing for a small-sensor DSLR. It is very annoying to me to be unable to use my digicam for wide angle shots - I have a 24-135 zoom which actually gives me a normal 36mm lens. Still not really wide angle. I'm still hoping the Pentax DSLR will have first rate AF. That's the main reason I still have a closet full of Pentax 35mm gear - the AF of the Nikon D100 and Canon D60 leaves a lot to be desired in anything but bright light. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8
That is why I could see bad bokeh since many probably third factors affected the final result which was not bad. Maybe in other circumstances I would see it. I just must try again. Alek Uytkownik Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Dan Scott wrote: On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 10:46 AM, Fred wrote: What is judged good or bad bokeh depends only on the lens, not the subject's surroundings. What surrounds the subject may be judged to be a good or bad choice of _background_, but whether the image exhibits acceptable _bokeh_ depends ONLY on the lens. In my opinion of what I understand. I would say that you are correct, Keith. Nonetheless, the choice of background (and sometimes foreground) when shooting, when making such a choice is possible, can make lenses with bad bokeh (even mirror lenses, for example, which are my own worst lenses for bokeh) look pretty good (for bokeh) - g. Fred Fred's right. Bokeh won't be a problem if you don't have any objects of the right sort in the right spot, foreground or background. The optical characteristics of the lens are in the lens, but you need the right combination of elements in the scene being photographed for bad bokeh to end up on the film. Plus, the third factor affecting valuation of bokeh is the viewer. If you like the bokeh in evidence on the print or transparency, it's good bokeh if you don't, it's bad. Quite clearly, that's abundantly true! grin Thanks for the clarification! keith Dan Scott --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8
Hi Fred, What about bokeh if one step down a bit aperture? Does it improve? Alek Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: What is judged good or bad bokeh depends only on the lens, not the subject's surroundings. What surrounds the subject may be judged to be a good or bad choice of _background_, but whether the image exhibits acceptable _bokeh_ depends ONLY on the lens. In my opinion of what I understand. I would say that you are correct, Keith. Nonetheless, the choice of background (and sometimes foreground) when shooting, when making such a choice is possible, can make lenses with bad bokeh (even mirror lenses, for example, which are my own worst lenses for bokeh) look pretty good (for bokeh) - g. Fred --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Re: Bad Bokeh vs. Baaaad Bokeh (WAS: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs.100mm 2.8)
Hi Keith, So after reading many opinions about bokeh it can be truth what I wrote that in some conditions I could see bad bokeh using K105/2.8. MAybe I chose them in such a way that it was quiete nice.Maybe in other ones bokeh could be harsh. But in general this lens is very sharp and contrasty. Alek Uytkownik Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Well espoused, Mike. I'll look forward to the write-up with enthusiasm! keith Mike Johnston wrote: This is an interesting idea: Could the choice of background *and* distance from main focus of interest in a photograph be more of an influence than lens design in the perception of bad bokeh? Tim, In my researches (don't ask), a number of things affect the bokeh: lens design, aperture shape, aperture setting, focusing distance, distance of the background objects from the plane of focus, and the contrast, illumination, and edge texture of the out-of-focus objects. IN GENERAL, the worst-case bokeh is found for most lenses a) at wider apertures, b) closer focusing distances, c) with distant out-of-focus objects d) when those objects are well illuminated and have high contrast. So you can deduce that most lenses to do relatively better when stopped down, focused farther away, with low-contrast and/or darker objects not so far in the background. Also, objects with indeterminate or ragged edges will often appear smoother as long as they're sufficiently o-o-f. You can actually see this effect in pictures where you may have one hard-edged object at the same distance as much softer subject matter, like a bright metal pipe against a muted brick wall or a light-colored streetlight pole against a mass of foliage. In those cases, where the brick or the foliage might be perfectly unobtrusive, the harder shape can show more obvious _ni-sen_ or double-line effect. I'm going to do a column on Luminous-Landscape about testing lenses for bokeh, including illustrations that will greatly help clarify the issues, but it's going to be a lot of work to prepare and I don't know when I'm going to be able to get around to it. Hope this helps somewhat in the meantime. --Mike --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: FS: lots of Pentax gear
Hi, What would be the cost of each :A85/1.4, A24/2.8 and LX? Alek Uytkownik E. Kragtwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hello everyone, A friend of mine without an Internet connection (yes, they still exist!...:-)) asked me to offer his Pentax gear for sale to the Pentax discussion list. He is looking for reasonable offers on each item, please contact me off list if you have any additional questions or if you are interested. 1) LX body in excellent condition with minor signs of use. Full CLA last year at Pentax Benelux. 2) Motor drive for LX with Battery Grip M, both in excellent condition 3) SMC Pentax-A 15/3.5 LNIB!! This jewel has seen very little use and comes with both caps, case, box and papers. Its is absolutely like new. 4) SMC Pentax-A 24/2.8 In excellent condition, comes with both caps 5) SMC Pentax-A 85/1.4* In excellent condition, comes with both lens caps 6) SMC Pentax-M 85/2 In excellent condition, comes with both lens caps 7) SMC Pentax-M Macro 100/4 In excellent condition, comes with both caps 8) SMC Pentax-M 135/3.5 In excellent condition, comes with both caps 9) SMC Pentax-M 200/4 In excellent condition, comes with both caps Any serious offer will be considerred. PayPal payment is accepted. He will ship worldwide. Thank you for looking! Best regards, Eric --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- wita tu tu! http://swieta.onet.pl
Re: SMC-FA 2/24 and 1.4/85: Good price?
Probbaly you are right. Prices are good IMHO Alek Uytkownik Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi, I've got an offer that seems to be so good that I can hardly reject it: SMC-FA 2/24 like new, complete and in box: 200,- Euro/US$ SMC-FA 1,4/85 like new, complete and in box: 400,- Euro/US$ I don't really need this lenses as I'm satisfied with my SMC FA 2/35 in the wide angle range and my SMC-M 2.8/100 as portrait lens. Further more I would prefer the 77Ltd instead of the 1.4/85. But the prices seem to be very attractive so that I'm thinking about buying them, using them a short time and selling them next year. It seems that I can't make a loss, doesn't it?? Help=%-] Cheers, Heiko --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- wita tu tu! http://swieta.onet.pl
Re: Re: new nikon may pint the way for new pentax lens??????????
Hi Frantisek, Nice to see a fellow Pentax from my southern neighbours. What equipment do you have? I own Pz1,Super A+some K lenses and A50/1.7 and tamron SP macro 2.8 and MEtz 40MZ3 Alek Uytkownik Frantisek Vlcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Thursday, December 12, 2002, 2:58:44 PM, akozak wrote: aop So Nikon/Canon have some problems with dim light?What about accuracy? My friend, who does shoot D100 and F4s a lot, has the D100 constantly switched to manual focus. Even though the cropped F80 viewfinder is so small and not that contrasty. But he is a strange guy. And concert venues are strangely lit. Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
