OT Flash question
Hey all. I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's in it and still nothing. Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if makes sense or buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for when needed. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Flash question
If it has been sitting for so long, I would think letting it sit with batteries inside for a while might be worth a try - perhaps something is deeply discharged and needs a moment to come back up. Also, if you have an external power supply for it or access to one, try hooking it up to that. Failing that, is there a place that will give you a free quote for the repair? Cheers hth Ecke 2012/5/29 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Hey all. I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's in it and still nothing. Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if makes sense or buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for when needed. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT Flash question
From: David J Brooks Hey all. I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's in it and still nothing. Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if makes sense or buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for when needed. Dave Is there anyone local you could take it to and get an estimate? Otherwise, how much would Nikon charge you for a repair estimate? Usually the charge for the estimate applies to the final repair cost. A quick look at KEH showed a BGN SB800 for $286 (USD), so anything less than that seems reasonable. Strobes don't seem to respond well to long term non-use. Every problem I've ever had with a strobe came from not using it for a long time. About the only thing I can think of that is worse for a strobe than leaving it on a shelf not using it, is to leave batteries in it and not use it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Flash question
Dave, here's a short list of my favourite generic Things That Can Go Wrong, And Will: bad or weak batteries Triple-check that your test batteries are good. I suggest you use the ones that just fired the working flash to give you better confidence. Oh, and make sure they're inserted the right way around. :-) dirty contacts Clean *all* contact surfaces. Get some good multi-purpose electrical/switch contact cleaner (eg from The Source), soak a cotton swab and get at the battery contacts inside the flash. Also clean the contacts on the batteries themselves. And the hotshoe ones while you're at it. something needs to be reset. See if the flash has a reboot sequence or button. SB800's are very popular and solid. Most likely worth fixing if not too too expensive. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's in it and still nothing. Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if makes sense or buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for when needed. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Flash question
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, here's a short list of my favourite generic Things That Can Go Wrong, And Will: bad or weak batteries Triple-check that your test batteries are good. I suggest you use the ones that just fired the working flash to give you better confidence. Oh, and make sure they're inserted the right way around. :-) dirty contacts Clean *all* contact surfaces. Get some good multi-purpose electrical/switch contact cleaner (eg from The Source), soak a cotton swab and get at the battery contacts inside the flash. Also clean the contacts on the batteries themselves. And the hotshoe ones while you're at it. something needs to be reset. See if the flash has a reboot sequence or button. SB800's are very popular and solid. Most likely worth fixing if not too too expensive. Thanks for the responses. After some fiddling, and a web search, i stumbled across a fellow with my problem and he said it was his battery compartment door not seating correctly. Well after cleaning the contacts and verifying batteries, i decided to give the door a shot. I tried to turn it on after cleaning and reinserting batteries with no response, then i just moved the door 1-2mm to the open position and bamo, (spell check for bamo is amoeba btw) heard the motor engage. I then moved it back 1mm or so, and on it came. So now it appears to fire up but i need to play with the door. Same thing now with my D1H, need to set a battery in, then pull it back out a hair and the camera fires up, Dave On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's in it and still nothing. Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if makes sense or buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for when needed. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Flash question
Aha! The spring-metal contacts may have kind of sagged over time (much like people :-) ) and flexing them out a bit may give better contact. You might be able to hook the open end of them down in the bottom of the battery compartment with a bent paperclip or similar. Tug upwards gently to make them sit up higher. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:17 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, here's a short list of my favourite generic Things That Can Go Wrong, And Will: bad or weak batteries Triple-check that your test batteries are good. I suggest you use the ones that just fired the working flash to give you better confidence. Oh, and make sure they're inserted the right way around. :-) dirty contacts Clean *all* contact surfaces. Get some good multi-purpose electrical/switch contact cleaner (eg from The Source), soak a cotton swab and get at the battery contacts inside the flash. Also clean the contacts on the batteries themselves. And the hotshoe ones while you're at it. something needs to be reset. See if the flash has a reboot sequence or button. SB800's are very popular and solid. Most likely worth fixing if not too too expensive. Thanks for the responses. After some fiddling, and a web search, i stumbled across a fellow with my problem and he said it was his battery compartment door not seating correctly. Well after cleaning the contacts and verifying batteries, i decided to give the door a shot. I tried to turn it on after cleaning and reinserting batteries with no response, then i just moved the door 1-2mm to the open position and bamo, (spell check for bamo is amoeba btw) heard the motor engage. I then moved it back 1mm or so, and on it came. So now it appears to fire up but i need to play with the door. Same thing now with my D1H, need to set a battery in, then pull it back out a hair and the camera fires up, Dave On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's in it and still nothing. Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if makes sense or buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for when needed. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Flash Question - The Results
A few weeks back I had asked about using a flash at an event and either a diffuser or bounce card. I eventually went with the Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer. The event was last week. As for the results, I think some of the shots came out ok (my opinion). The people who run the program were very happy with what they received. The venue was a hall with a vaulted ceiling - no bounce opportunities there. It was also a dark room - they kept the lights down to show videos and slide shows from the season. As for me, I tried using the bounce and flash, but for the most part, I had trouble getting close enough to utilize both. I wound up shooting many of the shots with the direct flash. Here are two that I think work the best... http://www.rbsa.us/RBSA_10_29_2009_017.jpg http://www.rbsa.us/RBSA_10_29_2009_039.jpg Thanks for everyone who offered their thoughts and ideas. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question - The Results
On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:46:42PM -0500, Ed Keeney wrote: A few weeks back I had asked about using a flash at an event and either a diffuser or bounce card. I eventually went with the Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer. The event was last week. As for the results, I think some of the shots came out ok (my opinion). The people who run the program were very happy with what they received. The venue was a hall with a vaulted ceiling - no bounce opportunities there. It was also a dark room - they kept the lights down to show videos and slide shows from the season. As for me, I tried using the bounce and flash, but for the most part, I had trouble getting close enough to utilize both. I wound up shooting many of the shots with the direct flash. Here are two that I think work the best... Well done http://www.rbsa.us/RBSA_10_29_2009_017.jpg Nothing to complain about with the lighting on that one. http://www.rbsa.us/RBSA_10_29_2009_039.jpg Very interesting composition. I'd crop so that the hula hoop girl was on the right edge, but by putting her in the center, it actually gives it a tension with everything being over to the left side. Thanks for everyone who offered their thoughts and ideas. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Just sending an update - I did a little recon and found that the ceiling at the venue is vaulted and 20+ feet, too high for a standard bounce. I had checked the Vivitar 285HV and the voltage issue isn't an issue. I debated on getting the Fong Dong thing, but the learning curve in a short window...I'm not up to that task right now. I wound up getting the Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer (after debating on the 80/20). I had a similar pocket bounce years ago. I got a chance to try it this past weekend at a family gathering and results are good - I still need to get better (my own assessment). After the event, in October, I'll try to post (or link to the site where they will post the shots). Thanks for all the info and help! -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Good choice. The 80/20 needs help from a ceiling, but it's great where that's available. Paul On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: Just sending an update - I did a little recon and found that the ceiling at the venue is vaulted and 20+ feet, too high for a standard bounce. I had checked the Vivitar 285HV and the voltage issue isn't an issue. I debated on getting the Fong Dong thing, but the learning curve in a short window...I'm not up to that task right now. I wound up getting the Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer (after debating on the 80/20). I had a similar pocket bounce years ago. I got a chance to try it this past weekend at a family gathering and results are good - I still need to get better (my own assessment). After the event, in October, I'll try to post (or link to the site where they will post the shots). Thanks for all the info and help! -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Miserere, Pasvorn, I heard about an older version of the 285 that would be dangerous. I have one (2001 bought) that is just about 7 volts on the trigger, currently swapped for a FTZ 330. Ed, since you already paired your 285 with the K100d, I'd assume your is safe. But checking is always a good move, IMHO. I do test every new flash before I use it, and that goes for friend's studio flashes - seen older models leak AC into the sync, and trigger voltages up to 600v, in particular ancient units. lf Miserere escreveu: 2009/9/17 Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com: De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink One thing nobody has mentioned is the trigger voltage of the Vivitar 285HV. I just want to make sure that the voltage is low enough for your camera. This might be a moot point, but I thought I'd bring it up just in case. I don't want you to fry your camera :-) --M. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Luiz, Thank for the information. In general, how do you check voltage trigger for a flash? -Pasvorn On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Miserere, Pasvorn, I heard about an older version of the 285 that would be dangerous. I have one (2001 bought) that is just about 7 volts on the trigger, currently swapped for a FTZ 330. Ed, since you already paired your 285 with the K100d, I'd assume your is safe. But checking is always a good move, IMHO. I do test every new flash before I use it, and that goes for friend's studio flashes - seen older models leak AC into the sync, and trigger voltages up to 600v, in particular ancient units. lf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Well, I use a voltmeter capable of good information on the desired volt range. In these days of almost disposable multiple reading digital meters, every single model I know offers a 0~20 volt setting for DC current. Hold one of the meter's probes to the ground part of the flash shoe, the other to the center contact, and watch the reading as you cycle the flash some times, from power-up to the discharge and then the re-charge. Safe readings are up to 6v DC, 0v AC - but handheld units usually present no AC issues, AFAIK. I assume a 7v flash as safe - my 285HV goes past 6,7v but is being used with Canon, Sony, Nikon and Pentax digital cameras with no problems so far. On studio units you should read from both parts of the sync cord - but first look for AC leaks, with the meter set to ~200v AC, one probe to the sync, one wire at a time, other to a ground line or large metal structure. Any signals read here spell problem to modern cameras. Old studio units were known to zap photographers with damp, sweaty faces... pls note that AC is dangerous, and if not sure of the procedure call for help. lf Pasvorn Boonmark escreveu: Luiz, Thank for the information. In general, how do you check voltage trigger for a flash? -Pasvorn On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Miserere, Pasvorn, I heard about an older version of the 285 that would be dangerous. I have one (2001 bought) that is just about 7 volts on the trigger, currently swapped for a FTZ 330. Ed, since you already paired your 285 with the K100d, I'd assume your is safe. But checking is always a good move, IMHO. I do test every new flash before I use it, and that goes for friend's studio flashes - seen older models leak AC into the sync, and trigger voltages up to 600v, in particular ancient units. lf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Small details that skipped my keyboard: In using digital voltmeters the placement of the probes is simple, as the display will present results with a - sign if you invert positive and negative probes on dc voltages. Needle voltmeters will try do swing to the wrong side of the display - reversing the probes will get a proper reading. I suggested the ~200v AC setting simply because I live in a 220v area - but any AC coming from the flash unit will do its best to flow towards the ground, using you and your camera as possible, so I don't consider a safe AC reading coming from the sync line. DC or CC - constant current may be dangerous too - pls take care. lf Luiz Felipe escreveu: Well, I use a voltmeter capable of good information on the desired volt range. In these days of almost disposable multiple reading digital meters, every single model I know offers a 0~20 volt setting for DC current. Hold one of the meter's probes to the ground part of the flash shoe, the other to the center contact, and watch the reading as you cycle the flash some times, from power-up to the discharge and then the re-charge. Safe readings are up to 6v DC, 0v AC - but handheld units usually present no AC issues, AFAIK. I assume a 7v flash as safe - my 285HV goes past 6,7v but is being used with Canon, Sony, Nikon and Pentax digital cameras with no problems so far. On studio units you should read from both parts of the sync cord - but first look for AC leaks, with the meter set to ~200v AC, one probe to the sync, one wire at a time, other to a ground line or large metal structure. Any signals read here spell problem to modern cameras. Old studio units were known to zap photographers with damp, sweaty faces... pls note that AC is dangerous, and if not sure of the procedure call for help. lf Pasvorn Boonmark escreveu: Luiz, Thank for the information. In general, how do you check voltage trigger for a flash? -Pasvorn On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Miserere, Pasvorn, I heard about an older version of the 285 that would be dangerous. I have one (2001 bought) that is just about 7 volts on the trigger, currently swapped for a FTZ 330. Ed, since you already paired your 285 with the K100d, I'd assume your is safe. But checking is always a good move, IMHO. I do test every new flash before I use it, and that goes for friend's studio flashes - seen older models leak AC into the sync, and trigger voltages up to 600v, in particular ancient units. lf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
From: Luiz Felipe Miserere, Pasvorn, I heard about an older version of the 285 that would be dangerous. I have one (2001 bought) that is just about 7 volts on the trigger, currently swapped for a FTZ 330. Ed, since you already paired your 285 with the K100d, I'd assume your is safe. But checking is always a good move, IMHO. I do test every new flash before I use it, and that goes for friend's studio flashes - seen older models leak AC into the sync, and trigger voltages up to 600v, in particular ancient units. The older 283 and 285 models had higher voltage trigger circuits. You want to look for the 285HV - HV designates the newer model with the safe trigger voltage. Vivitar brought the 285HV back into production due to demand. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
From: Pasvorn Boonmark Luiz, Thank for the information. In general, how do you check voltage trigger for a flash? http://www.botzilla.com/photo/G1strobe.html scroll down. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
2009/9/17 Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com: De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink One thing nobody has mentioned is the trigger voltage of the Vivitar 285HV. I just want to make sure that the voltage is low enough for your camera. This might be a moot point, but I thought I'd bring it up just in case. I don't want you to fry your camera :-) --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: One thing nobody has mentioned is the trigger voltage of the Vivitar 285HV. I just want to make sure that the voltage is low enough for your camera. Miserere, Very good point to bring up. The 285HV is safe. I have 2 of them and use them regularly on my DL, and my Pany G1. The 283, so I heard, is not safe. -Pasvorn This might be a moot point, but I thought I'd bring it up just in case. I don't want you to fry your camera :-) --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
From: Miserere 2009/9/17 Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com: De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. ?I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? ?Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... ? ? Body: K100D ? ? Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) ?I have longer, but won't be using those ? ? Flash: ?Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. ?I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. ?The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink One thing nobody has mentioned is the trigger voltage of the Vivitar 285HV. I just want to make sure that the voltage is low enough for your camera. This might be a moot point, but I thought I'd bring it up just in case. I don't want you to fry your camera :-) 6V - safe for digital. http://strobist.blogspot.com/2007/02/return-of-classic.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Don't forget the recycle time issue. With more power used, the recycle times increase - so you have to be aware of how much time between shots you have. The Fong unit does take quite a bit more power than a bouncer, so your between shot time increases quite a bit. When I don't know what the ceilings will be like I take a Lumiquest Ultra-Soft and a Lumiquest Big Bouncer. One of the two will work even if there are no ceilings at all. Remember that everything is a trade off. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, September 17, 2009, 7:59:55 PM, you wrote: ps You're right, Christine. The Fong Lightsphere will be marginal with ps the 360. It sacrifices a couple of stops and requires plenty of power. ps Paul ps On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Ed: Looks like you got some good advice from Ecki, Paul John, so I can't really add much. As Ecki said, try to sneak a peek at the event venue, and see if you can ask about lights. Don't forget to check the color of the ceiling if it's a good height to bounce flash light. The shots on the thread you mentioned below were taken at a place where the ceilings were painted white and of good bounce- height, say 8ish, 9ish feet high. I have the Fong Diffuser (cloudy), and I find it frustrating to use, though I have the Pentax Flash 360, which is not as strong as Paul Stenquist's 540, so maybe therein lies the problem. Also, I have to chimp like crazy when using flash because of my flash poor skills, and I'm constantly plus or minusing flash compensation. I know I'm not much help here, but I did want to share this: for the geso mentioned below, I had the camera set to manual mode and at f4 and shutter speed say 1/30 - 1/60th of a second. Using these setting freed me to focus more on my flash settings and that was helpful. The learning point of that exercise was to try and blend flash with existing light. You probably already know this, and someone has probably already mentioned it, but I'll just say, I recommend shooting like crazy with your flash from now until the event. :-) Sorry I couldn't be more help--good luck with the shoot, and post some pics if you can. Would like to hear how things went. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. ps -- ps PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List ps PDML@pdml.net ps http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net ps to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Hi Ed Well you've gone right to the source so we'll give you an answer that you'll endorse =P The bigger the exit surface of the light, the softer and nicer the light. Seeing you don't know about the ceiling, go sneak a peek first or go with a diffusor / softbox or maybe one of those zany high tech showercap contraptions like the Fong Dong aka lightsphere - mind you I've never used one of those but I do hear good things about them from time to time. If you go with a bounce card, make it as large as possible and with an irregular structure to break up the light. I would use one that doesn't require glue on Velcro on your flash. There are also DIY Fong Dongs plus I've found an empty Corn Flakes bag over the flash with a bit of Mylar (inside of an empty chips bag) glued to the upper part to direct reflections works nicely (read that on the iNet tried it and liked it) but I guess you can only use that in private... ]=) Cheers Ecke 2009/9/17 Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com: De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Hi Ed, The safest bet for situations where you don't know what kind of ceiling you'll be working with is the Lumiquest Pocket Bounce. http://www.lumiquest.com/products/pocket-bouncer.htm This device provides nice diffusion and a natural look but doesn't rely on help from the ceiling. You'll only lose a bit more than one stop of light with this device. That could be critical for this job. The flash will work well for table shots, speakers or small groups. If you have to shoot a large group, you may want to use a tripod and correct the lighting in post. Paul On Sep 17, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Ed Keeney wrote: De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Ecke - I saw the Fong Dong / lightsphere, looked interesting, wasn't sure about results Paul - That's what I had used in the past. I figured I'd ask around before I went out and bought something. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
I actually use the Fong Lightsphere more often than the Lumiquest pocket bounce, but it's somewhat dependent on the height and color of the ceiling. It can yield great results but requires more work and practice than the Lumiquest pocket bounce. On the other hand, the Lightsphere is much better for verticals, but it requires a flashhead that both tilts and swivels for vertical shooting. With very high and dark ceilings I sometimes have to shoot through it as though it were a softbox. Paul On Sep 17, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Ed Keeney wrote: Ecke - I saw the Fong Dong / lightsphere, looked interesting, wasn't sure about results Paul - That's what I had used in the past. I figured I'd ask around before I went out and bought something. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
From: Ed Keeney De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. Strobist is your friend: http://strobist.blogspot.com/ The guy LOVES the 285HV (second only to Nikon's SB-28). Check out the Lighting 101 Archive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 02:32:57PM -0400, Ed Keeney wrote: De-lurking to pose a question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? My usual preferred diffuser is the big lumiquest: http://www.lumiquest.com/products/softbox-iii.htm It lives in the laptop compartment of my camera bag. You can make something that works as well, is a lot cheaper, but isn't quite as portable: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157606657830875/ It's basically a cheapass fongdong made out of a water jug and some foam rubber. I've found it works best to line one side with aluminum foil so that if its aimed forward it doesn't flash into the lens (big problem with my FA31), and if it's pointing to the ceiling, you can bounce a little more light forward than back. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Hi Ed: Looks like you got some good advice from Ecki, Paul John, so I can't really add much. As Ecki said, try to sneak a peek at the event venue, and see if you can ask about lights. Don't forget to check the color of the ceiling if it's a good height to bounce flash light. The shots on the thread you mentioned below were taken at a place where the ceilings were painted white and of good bounce-height, say 8ish, 9ish feet high. I have the Fong Diffuser (cloudy), and I find it frustrating to use, though I have the Pentax Flash 360, which is not as strong as Paul Stenquist's 540, so maybe therein lies the problem. Also, I have to chimp like crazy when using flash because of my flash poor skills, and I'm constantly plus or minusing flash compensation. I know I'm not much help here, but I did want to share this: for the geso mentioned below, I had the camera set to manual mode and at f4 and shutter speed say 1/30 - 1/60th of a second. Using these setting freed me to focus more on my flash settings and that was helpful. The learning point of that exercise was to try and blend flash with existing light. You probably already know this, and someone has probably already mentioned it, but I'll just say, I recommend shooting like crazy with your flash from now until the event. :-) Sorry I couldn't be more help--good luck with the shoot, and post some pics if you can. Would like to hear how things went. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
You're right, Christine. The Fong Lightsphere will be marginal with the 360. It sacrifices a couple of stops and requires plenty of power. Paul On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Ed: Looks like you got some good advice from Ecki, Paul John, so I can't really add much. As Ecki said, try to sneak a peek at the event venue, and see if you can ask about lights. Don't forget to check the color of the ceiling if it's a good height to bounce flash light. The shots on the thread you mentioned below were taken at a place where the ceilings were painted white and of good bounce- height, say 8ish, 9ish feet high. I have the Fong Diffuser (cloudy), and I find it frustrating to use, though I have the Pentax Flash 360, which is not as strong as Paul Stenquist's 540, so maybe therein lies the problem. Also, I have to chimp like crazy when using flash because of my flash poor skills, and I'm constantly plus or minusing flash compensation. I know I'm not much help here, but I did want to share this: for the geso mentioned below, I had the camera set to manual mode and at f4 and shutter speed say 1/30 - 1/60th of a second. Using these setting freed me to focus more on my flash settings and that was helpful. The learning point of that exercise was to try and blend flash with existing light. You probably already know this, and someone has probably already mentioned it, but I'll just say, I recommend shooting like crazy with your flash from now until the event. :-) Sorry I couldn't be more help--good luck with the shoot, and post some pics if you can. Would like to hear how things went. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Question -- Bounce v. Diffuser
Hello, I still use the 285HV with the K10D. I managed to shoe-horn a diffuser which was meant for Sunpak 4205 into the slot intended for the filters of the Vivitar. Although I used a DIY bounce card before, I found this more compact but it is difficult to remove and put back on so it virtually stays on the flash. http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg292/bongm131/_IGP2967-web.jpg Bong On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Ed Keeney ewkph...@gmail.com wrote: De-lurking to pose a question... I've been nominated (not at my request) to take pictures at a end of year dinner for my daughters softball team. I did something similar about 15 years ago with an older setup I no longer have (theft). Since then, things have changed, yet things remain the same. Here's my question... Does anyone have thoughts on using a bounce card versus using a diffuser for flash shots? Any recommendations to look at? I searched the PDML archives and found Christine Aguila's GESO Flash Practice thread from January 2009 (great work!). My equipment... Body: K100D Lenses: DA18-55 (kit) and FA50 (1.4) I have longer, but won't be using those Flash: Vivitar 285HV I can squeak something new into the camera bag under the guise of needing it for this event. I don't know the layout of the venue, so I'm not sure what I can get from a bounce off the ceiling. The Vivitar doesn't swivel, but does have vertical bounce. -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto/PESO?feat=directlink -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Tech-support: Wireless trailing curtain sync flash a no-go [Re: WTB and a macro flash question]
Joseph McAllister wrote: A pretty thorough reading of both the K20D and AF540FGZ manuals re: TCS reveals nothing. It is neither mentioned as doable or not doable. It does imply that it should work, but does not back that up in text or sync spec charts. Let us know what tech support at Pentax has to say please... And the envelope please ... --- Dear Mr. Walker, Thank you for contacting Pentax. Trailing curtain sync will not work with the K20D and the AF-540FGZ off-camera in the wireless mode. The K20D manual doesn't specifically explain this but under setting up the flash in wireless mode on page 47 of the AF-540FGZ flash manual it says you have to have the flash set to leading curtain sync. The off-camera flash is using the built-in flash, or another AF-540 on the hotshoe, as a trigger, but only for leading curtain sync. --- However, I expect that I can use the hotshoe accessory and a cable to at least get off-camera TCS working. Sigh. Another multi-day special order from Pentax Canada. Thanks to everyone who helped-out, especially Doug and Charles for taking lots of flash shots of interior walls. :-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tech-support: Wireless trailing curtain sync flash a no-go [Re: WTB and a macro flash question]
Bruce Walker wrote: Dear Mr. Walker, Thank you for contacting Pentax. Trailing curtain sync will not work with the K20D and the AF-540FGZ off-camera in the wireless mode. The K20D manual doesn't specifically explain this but under setting up the flash in wireless mode on page 47 of the AF-540FGZ flash manual it says you have to have the flash set to leading curtain sync. The off-camera flash is using the built-in flash, or another AF-540 on the hotshoe, as a trigger, but only for leading curtain sync. --- However, I expect that I can use the hotshoe accessory and a cable to at least get off-camera TCS working. Sigh. Another multi-day special order from Pentax Canada. Thanks to everyone who helped-out, especially Doug and Charles for taking lots of flash shots of interior walls. :-) -bmw glad to do it. all in all it's just another pic of the wall. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tech-support: Wireless trailing curtain sync flash a no-go [Re: WTB and a macro flash question]
Doug Brewer wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: Dear Mr. Walker, Thank you for contacting Pentax. Trailing curtain sync will not work with the K20D and the AF-540FGZ off-camera in the wireless mode. The K20D manual doesn't specifically explain this but under setting up the flash in wireless mode on page 47 of the AF-540FGZ flash manual it says you have to have the flash set to leading curtain sync. The off-camera flash is using the built-in flash, or another AF-540 on the hotshoe, as a trigger, but only for leading curtain sync. --- However, I expect that I can use the hotshoe accessory and a cable to at least get off-camera TCS working. Sigh. Another multi-day special order from Pentax Canada. Thanks to everyone who helped-out, especially Doug and Charles for taking lots of flash shots of interior walls. :-) -bmw glad to do it. all in all it's just another pic of the wall. He's cruisin' for a bruisin' ... -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tech-support: Wireless trailing curtain sync flash a no-go [Re: WTB and a macro flash question]
You can substitute the ProMaster cord for all the Pentax do-dads. I've used this with both the Sigma EF-500DG Super and the AF-540FGZ and it works well. Typical cost around 60USD http://tinyurl.com/d44d89 -p Bruce Walker wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: A pretty thorough reading of both the K20D and AF540FGZ manuals re: TCS reveals nothing. It is neither mentioned as doable or not doable. It does imply that it should work, but does not back that up in text or sync spec charts. Let us know what tech support at Pentax has to say please... And the envelope please ... --- Dear Mr. Walker, Thank you for contacting Pentax. Trailing curtain sync will not work with the K20D and the AF-540FGZ off-camera in the wireless mode. The K20D manual doesn't specifically explain this but under setting up the flash in wireless mode on page 47 of the AF-540FGZ flash manual it says you have to have the flash set to leading curtain sync. The off-camera flash is using the built-in flash, or another AF-540 on the hotshoe, as a trigger, but only for leading curtain sync. --- However, I expect that I can use the hotshoe accessory and a cable to at least get off-camera TCS working. Sigh. Another multi-day special order from Pentax Canada. Thanks to everyone who helped-out, especially Doug and Charles for taking lots of flash shots of interior walls. :-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.3/2076 - Release Date: 04/23/09 06:30:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tech-support: Wireless trailing curtain sync flash a no-go [Re: WTB and a macro flash question]
Paul Sorenson wrote: You can substitute the ProMaster cord for all the Pentax do-dads. I've used this with both the Sigma EF-500DG Super and the AF-540FGZ and it works well. Typical cost around 60USD http://tinyurl.com/d44d89 -p Thanks Paul; good suggestion. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Tech-support: Wireless trailing curtain sync flash a no-go [Re:WTB and a macro flash question]
- Original Message - From: Bruce Walker Subject: Re: Tech-support: Wireless trailing curtain sync flash a no-go [Re:WTB and a macro flash question] He's cruisin' for a bruisin' ... Careful with that axe William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
OK - I use flash only occasionally and wireless flash almost never but I've tried Doug's suggestions below with the K200D and AF360FGZ and I'm seeing exactly the same results as Bruce. The flash always fires on the leading curtain (or perhaps it just fires the pre-flash on the leading curtain and main flash doesn't fire at all - I'm just guessing here). I wondered if my flash was faulty but attached to the camera in P-TTL mode (not in wireless mode), it fires on the trailing curtain as it should. Obviously this is of no help to Bruce.. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:12 -0400, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: okay, try this: in your custom settings, number 29, set it to 2, use the built-in flash as the controller, instead of the master. Set the flash on TCS, camera on wireless, and see what happens. Note: I'm basing this on the 360FGZ, and assume there are similar settings on the big boy. oh, yeah, and the flash set to slave mode, built-in flash popped up. Custom #29 = 2 ... check. flash on TCS ... check. camera on wireless ... check. ext flash on Slave ... check. PUF up ... check. External flash still fires on leading curtain. I have the shutter speed at 0.5 sec so I can see where the flash occurs. I've also tried speeding the shutter up and panning across an object and it is still doing LCS. I've tried with SR on and off (I recall reading that some flash mode doesn't work with SR on). I'm going to try resetting all the options 'cause I'm running right out of ideas. -bmw -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Brian Walters wrote: OK - I use flash only occasionally and wireless flash almost never but I've tried Doug's suggestions below with the K200D and AF360FGZ and I'm seeing exactly the same results as Bruce. The flash always fires on the leading curtain (or perhaps it just fires the pre-flash on the leading curtain and main flash doesn't fire at all - I'm just guessing here). I wondered if my flash was faulty but attached to the camera in P-TTL mode (not in wireless mode), it fires on the trailing curtain as it should. Obviously this is of no help to Bruce.. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On the contrary, that's very helpful to hear; thank you, Brian! I was concerned that I might be simply repeating the same configuration error over and over, but you've confirmed exactly what I'm seeing. And TCS does work for me too with either the built-in flash alone, or with the 540FGZ attached to the hotshoe. Disabling all Custom options did not change anything in wireless modes either. I think it's time for me to contact Pentax support. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian Walters wrote: OK - I use flash only occasionally and wireless flash almost never but I've tried Doug's suggestions below with the K200D and AF360FGZ and I'm seeing exactly the same results as Bruce. The flash always fires on the leading curtain (or perhaps it just fires the pre-flash on the leading curtain and main flash doesn't fire at all - I'm just guessing here). I wondered if my flash was faulty but attached to the camera in P-TTL mode (not in wireless mode), it fires on the trailing curtain as it should. Obviously this is of no help to Bruce.. yeah, I guess I could have gone all the way and looked to see if it was actually firing on the trail. Here in a minute I'll go get my bag outta the car and do a little more testing. I'm intrigued. (scene the other night: son, from in front of the tv: Dad, why are you taking pictures of the wall? me: This guy is having trouble setting his flash to fire on the trailing curtain in wireless mode. I'm looking at how to do it. son: ... me: you still there? son: no. ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Brian Walters wrote: OK - I use flash only occasionally and wireless flash almost never but I've tried Doug's suggestions below with the K200D and AF360FGZ and I'm seeing exactly the same results as Bruce. The flash always fires on the leading curtain (or perhaps it just fires the pre-flash on the leading curtain and main flash doesn't fire at all - I'm just guessing here). I wondered if my flash was faulty but attached to the camera in P-TTL mode (not in wireless mode), it fires on the trailing curtain as it should. Obviously this is of no help to Bruce.. yeah, I guess I could have gone all the way and looked to see if it was actually firing on the trail. Here in a minute I'll go get my bag outta the car and do a little more testing. I'm intrigued. (scene the other night: son, from in front of the tv: Dad, why are you taking pictures of the wall? me: This guy is having trouble setting his flash to fire on the trailing curtain in wireless mode. I'm looking at how to do it. son: ... me: you still there? son: no. ) Pretty much the conversation Cath and I had the other night when I was trying to work out the buffer number thing on mine. Except our conversation was exclusively looks and eyebrow movements. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Doug Brewer wrote: (scene the other night: son, from in front of the tv: Dad, why are you taking pictures of the wall? me: This guy is having trouble setting his flash to fire on the trailing curtain in wireless mode. I'm looking at how to do it. son: ... me: you still there? son: no. ) Heh! Similar thing here: lots of wall, snatches of picture frame, some motion-blurred light switches and a confused looking spaniel making his escape. Glad you reminded about the test shots -- I just emptied a card of them for some shooting I'm doing this morning. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
On Apr 21, 2009, at 8:16, Doug Brewer wrote: Brian Walters wrote: OK - I use flash only occasionally and wireless flash almost never but I've tried Doug's suggestions below with the K200D and AF360FGZ and I'm seeing exactly the same results as Bruce. The flash always fires on the leading curtain (or perhaps it just fires the pre-flash on the leading curtain and main flash doesn't fire at all - I'm just guessing here). I wondered if my flash was faulty but attached to the camera in P-TTL mode (not in wireless mode), it fires on the trailing curtain as it should. Obviously this is of no help to Bruce.. yeah, I guess I could have gone all the way and looked to see if it was actually firing on the trail. Here in a minute I'll go get my bag outta the car and do a little more testing. I'm intrigued. (scene the other night: son, from in front of the tv: Dad, why are you taking pictures of the wall? me: This guy is having trouble setting his flash to fire on the trailing curtain in wireless mode. I'm looking at how to do it. son: ... me: you still there? son: no. ) Love it! My son's supposed to be off in college now, but it sounds like maybe he's sitting in your TV room now. I should call him. BTW - we're talking AF540 and the K20D right? Should I test here in the office with my K10D and AF540 just to annoy my cow-orkers? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
A pretty thorough reading of both the K20D and AF540FGZ manuals re: TCS reveals nothing. It is neither mentioned as doable or not doable. It does imply that it should work, but does not back that up in text or sync spec charts. Let us know what tech support at Pentax has to say please... On Apr 20, 2009, at 18:12 , Bruce Walker wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: okay, try this: in your custom settings, number 29, set it to 2, use the built-in flash as the controller, instead of the master. Set the flash on TCS, camera on wireless, and see what happens. Note: I'm basing this on the 360FGZ, and assume there are similar settings on the big boy. oh, yeah, and the flash set to slave mode, built-in flash popped up. Custom #29 = 2 ... check. flash on TCS ... check. camera on wireless ... check. ext flash on Slave ... check. PUF up ... check. External flash still fires on leading curtain. I have the shutter speed at 0.5 sec so I can see where the flash occurs. I've also tried speeding the shutter up and panning across an object and it is still doing LCS. I've tried with SR on and off (I recall reading that some flash mode doesn't work with SR on). I'm going to try resetting all the options 'cause I'm running right out of ideas. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:12, Joseph McAllister wrote: A pretty thorough reading of both the K20D and AF540FGZ manuals re: TCS reveals nothing. It is neither mentioned as doable or not doable. It does imply that it should work, but does not back that up in text or sync spec charts. Nothing I do with the 540 can make the little what mode am I in symbol (when disconnected from the camera) change to anything other than the standard lightning-bolt, filled-in triangle, hollow triangle sequence which means regular flash. Best I could do was attach it to the camera with wireless mode (between on and off) selected and the hard switch on the 540 set to Trailing Curtain (bolt, hollow, filled) ... select menu on the K10D and immediately the flash said hey, wait - I'm supposed to be in TCS mode! and the symbol changed. Then I pulled the flash right off the hotshoe (with everything still turned on). The symbol immediately changed back to bolt, filled, hollow which is the standard mode. I wonder if it can be done at all - methinks not! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Further study of the format used in the K20D manual indicates that the major Headings (pg. 143) are dark grey with white text at the top of the page. The sub-headings are medium grey with white text, and located under a line across the page (pg. 144). The further sub-sub- headings are just bolded black text (pg. 145). Given that construct, Using In Wireless Mode on pg. 145 continues until half way down page 148, when the subject changes to Red-Eye Reduction. Then again to Trailing Curtain Sync. Wireless mode is out of the picture at this point. Leads me to believe it's not an option unless you are wired to the hot-shoe. Which the next illustration on pg. 149 shows, even though the subject is changed to Using the Built-in Flash with the External Flash. TCS is in the limbo between the two modes, wireless and wired. Poor design. Joseph On Apr 21, 2009, at 12:40 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:12, Joseph McAllister wrote: A pretty thorough reading of both the K20D and AF540FGZ manuals re: TCS reveals nothing. It is neither mentioned as doable or not doable. It does imply that it should work, but does not back that up in text or sync spec charts. Nothing I do with the 540 can make the little what mode am I in symbol (when disconnected from the camera) change to anything other than the standard lightning-bolt, filled-in triangle, hollow triangle sequence which means regular flash. Best I could do was attach it to the camera with wireless mode (between on and off) selected and the hard switch on the 540 set to Trailing Curtain (bolt, hollow, filled) ... select menu on the K10D and immediately the flash said hey, wait - I'm supposed to be in TCS mode! and the symbol changed. Then I pulled the flash right off the hotshoe (with everything still turned on). The symbol immediately changed back to bolt, filled, hollow which is the standard mode. I wonder if it can be done at all - methinks not! -Charles Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:12 -0700, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: A pretty thorough reading of both the K20D and AF540FGZ manuals re: TCS reveals nothing. It is neither mentioned as doable or not doable. It does imply that it should work, but does not back that up in text or sync spec charts. Let us know what tech support at Pentax has to say please... Going backwards and forwards between the K200D and AF360FGZ manuals last night left me with a serious headache and no enlightenment, other than the fact that Pentax needs to employ competent technical writers. I suspect strongly that TCS isn't possible in wireless mode. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Apr 20, 2009, at 18:12 , Bruce Walker wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: okay, try this: in your custom settings, number 29, set it to 2, use the built-in flash as the controller, instead of the master. Set the flash on TCS, camera on wireless, and see what happens. Note: I'm basing this on the 360FGZ, and assume there are similar settings on the big boy. oh, yeah, and the flash set to slave mode, built-in flash popped up. Custom #29 = 2 ... check. flash on TCS ... check. camera on wireless ... check. ext flash on Slave ... check. PUF up ... check. External flash still fires on leading curtain. I have the shutter speed at 0.5 sec so I can see where the flash occurs. I've also tried speeding the shutter up and panning across an object and it is still doing LCS. I've tried with SR on and off (I recall reading that some flash mode doesn't work with SR on). I'm going to try resetting all the options 'cause I'm running right out of ideas. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Doug Brewer wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: okay, try this: in your custom settings, number 29, set it to 2, use the built-in flash as the controller, instead of the master. Set the flash on TCS, camera on wireless, and see what happens. Note: I'm basing this on the 360FGZ, and assume there are similar settings on the big boy. oh, yeah, and the flash set to slave mode, built-in flash popped up. Custom #29 = 2 ... check. flash on TCS ... check. camera on wireless ... check. ext flash on Slave ... check. PUF up ... check. External flash still fires on leading curtain. I have the shutter speed at 0.5 sec so I can see where the flash occurs. I've also tried speeding the shutter up and panning across an object and it is still doing LCS. I've tried with SR on and off (I recall reading that some flash mode doesn't work with SR on). I'm going to try resetting all the options 'cause I'm running right out of ideas. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Boris Liberman wrote: Oh, I see. I just tried to search the eBay and found really plethora of such devices, none of which, sadly, seems to match my Metz flash. I should keep looking or try to make one of these myself, even if it will be crude. Boris Depending on how macro you intend, don't forget that the flash tube ceases to be a point source of light and becomes progressively more like a softbox of potentially gigantic propotions. At high levels of magnification, even the bare tube with no diffuser will be producing softer looking light. Might be worth experimenting a bit before buying anything. Toine wrote: Probably yes like this http://www.fotokonijnenberg.be/product/1408978/fk_ringflash_adapter_voor_canon_580exii.html These things are very large. Any diffusor on the Metz would also work nicely. A ring flash is not always the best option. Toine 2009/4/18 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Boris, Try finding some device that allows you to align the flash head with the front element of your macro lens, and a sync cable to fit your flash. There are both tailor made solutions like the flash brackets from ReallyRightStuff and DIY projects to a couple of dollars. I bought a hotshoe grip off ebay for a couple of dollars that did the trick after some modification. I've used it with the AF-500FTZ, and the AF-540FGZ. Drop me a (off-) line if you want to know about the mods. Jostein 2009/4/18 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hi! Before I forget (though it is not Friday, but nonetheless) - if you have matching macro adapter (I think it is two elements apo design) that came with Cosina 100/3.5 macro lenses, I'd like to buy it. I've FA 100/3.5 macro and I'd like to complete it with this adapter. And the question. I've truly excellent Metz 40MZ-2 flash with SCA 3701 adapter that works really well. I would like to try to get somewhat more serious about my nature macro photography. To that end I am thinking of a macro flash. However I've already have a good flash. Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? Any input on the issue will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
paul stenquist wrote: I've done it. Don't have time to check now, but I know trailing curtain is set with the lower power switch. I think it's the second click to the right of off. I've used it on the K20D and it works. Paul Well on the AF-540FGZ it's configured on the switch labeled Sync., immediately to the left of the main power switch, and it's the second click to the right of leading curtain sync (wireless mode is set on the main power switch, the intermediate click between Off and On). I have verified that that works fine when the 540 is mounted on-camera. And TCS works using the built-in flash too. But if I move the flash off-camera and try to go wireless, phxxxt! No trailing curtain. I've tried it with both the built-in flash as controller, and another 540FGZ as controller. The K20D manual even states on page 148 (bottom) that if TCS is set on the remote flash, the internal flash will adopt that mode too. But not for me. Very annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if the recent firmware upgrade broke wireless trailing curtain. Sadly I can't test that, and I never tried WTCS before the upgrade. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB and a macro flash question
Bruce Walker wrote: paul stenquist wrote: I've done it. Don't have time to check now, but I know trailing curtain is set with the lower power switch. I think it's the second click to the right of off. I've used it on the K20D and it works. Paul Well on the AF-540FGZ it's configured on the switch labeled Sync., immediately to the left of the main power switch, and it's the second click to the right of leading curtain sync (wireless mode is set on the main power switch, the intermediate click between Off and On). I have verified that that works fine when the 540 is mounted on-camera. And TCS works using the built-in flash too. But if I move the flash off-camera and try to go wireless, phxxxt! No trailing curtain. I've tried it with both the built-in flash as controller, and another 540FGZ as controller. The K20D manual even states on page 148 (bottom) that if TCS is set on the remote flash, the internal flash will adopt that mode too. But not for me. Very annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if the recent firmware upgrade broke wireless trailing curtain. Sadly I can't test that, and I never tried WTCS before the upgrade. -bmw silly question, but did you make sure the flash and camera were on the same channel? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug Brewer wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: paul stenquist wrote: I've done it. Don't have time to check now, but I know trailing curtain is set with the lower power switch. I think it's the second click to the right of off. I've used it on the K20D and it works. Paul Well on the AF-540FGZ it's configured on the switch labeled Sync., immediately to the left of the main power switch, and it's the second click to the right of leading curtain sync (wireless mode is set on the main power switch, the intermediate click between Off and On). I have verified that that works fine when the 540 is mounted on-camera. And TCS works using the built-in flash too. But if I move the flash off-camera and try to go wireless, phxxxt! No trailing curtain. I've tried it with both the built-in flash as controller, and another 540FGZ as controller. The K20D manual even states on page 148 (bottom) that if TCS is set on the remote flash, the internal flash will adopt that mode too. But not for me. Very annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if the recent firmware upgrade broke wireless trailing curtain. Sadly I can't test that, and I never tried WTCS before the upgrade. -bmw silly question, but did you make sure the flash and camera were on the same channel? Not so silly. :-) But yeah, they were; all set to channel 1. The remote flash was in fact firing, just not on the trailing curtain. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce Walker wrote: Not so silly. :-) But yeah, they were; all set to channel 1. The remote flash was in fact firing, just not on the trailing curtain. -bmw okay, try this: in your custom settings, number 29, set it to 2, use the built-in flash as the controller, instead of the master. Set the flash on TCS, camera on wireless, and see what happens. Note: I'm basing this on the 360FGZ, and assume there are similar settings on the big boy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug Brewer wrote: okay, try this: in your custom settings, number 29, set it to 2, use the built-in flash as the controller, instead of the master. Set the flash on TCS, camera on wireless, and see what happens. Note: I'm basing this on the 360FGZ, and assume there are similar settings on the big boy. oh, yeah, and the flash set to slave mode, built-in flash popped up. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
WTB and a macro flash question
Hi! Before I forget (though it is not Friday, but nonetheless) - if you have matching macro adapter (I think it is two elements apo design) that came with Cosina 100/3.5 macro lenses, I'd like to buy it. I've FA 100/3.5 macro and I'd like to complete it with this adapter. And the question. I've truly excellent Metz 40MZ-2 flash with SCA 3701 adapter that works really well. I would like to try to get somewhat more serious about my nature macro photography. To that end I am thinking of a macro flash. However I've already have a good flash. Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? Any input on the issue will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Probably yes like this http://www.fotokonijnenberg.be/product/1408978/fk_ringflash_adapter_voor_canon_580exii.html These things are very large. Any diffusor on the Metz would also work nicely. A ring flash is not always the best option. Toine 2009/4/18 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh, I see. I just tried to search the eBay and found really plethora of such devices, none of which, sadly, seems to match my Metz flash. I should keep looking or try to make one of these myself, even if it will be crude. Boris Toine wrote: Probably yes like this http://www.fotokonijnenberg.be/product/1408978/fk_ringflash_adapter_voor_canon_580exii.html These things are very large. Any diffusor on the Metz would also work nicely. A ring flash is not always the best option. Toine 2009/4/18 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's the RayFlash (http://www.ray-flash.com), which requires a certain flash-lens distance based on various canon/nikon flashes, or the Orbis (http://www.orbisflash.com), which requires you to hand-hold the flash. Neither of which are really designed for macro photography, but more for studio/portrait ring-flash look. Really you don't want the kind of power a normal flash puts out in a ring flash; well, at least you need to be able to get it very low. The Metz flashes are great at this, generally, and can be dialed down to 1/256th. Still, its probably overkill. There are DIY attempts at getting a ring-flash from the pop-up flash on cameras using fibre-optics, but they all seema bit clumsy. (eg: http://www.fring.we.bs/) - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/4/18 Peter Loveday pe...@loveday.org: There's the RayFlash (http://www.ray-flash.com), which requires a certain flash-lens distance based on various canon/nikon flashes, or the Orbis (http://www.orbisflash.com), which requires you to hand-hold the flash. Neither of which are really designed for macro photography, but more for studio/portrait ring-flash look. Speaking of the Orbis adaptor, all of the photos that make up this image were taken using one (~130kb): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3626/3403694597_6aede35a60_o.jpg As to flash for macro, any flash will do the job as long as you can get it off the camera. I'm personally a big fan of the wirelles features of the AF-540FGZ (and the CLS system on the Nikon). Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 18, 2009, at 07:13 , Boris Liberman wrote: And the question. I've truly excellent Metz 40MZ-2 flash with SCA 3701 adapter that works really well. I would like to try to get somewhat more serious about my nature macro photography. To that end I am thinking of a macro flash. However I've already have a good flash. Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? Any input on the issue will be greatly appreciated. I have a CSI Polaroid SX-70 kit, officially a Polaroid CU-70 Macro Kit. It includes three different strength macro lens attachments: 1X, 2X and 3X, all with built in flash directors and meter windows. This system will allow you to focus continuously from 1 foot to 1.5 inches! Also included are the three dedicated brackets and the camera mounting platform, as well as the flash adapter plug for Alpha cameras. All on an aluminum Halliburton-like case. See here, 2/3 of the way down. http://www.chemie.unibas.ch/~holder/SX70.html Something could be jerry rigged easily. If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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G'day Boris On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:13 +0300, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Before I forget (though it is not Friday, but nonetheless) - if you have matching macro adapter (I think it is two elements apo design) that came with Cosina 100/3.5 macro lenses, I'd like to buy it. I've FA 100/3.5 macro and I'd like to complete it with this adapter. And the question. I've truly excellent Metz 40MZ-2 flash with SCA 3701 adapter that works really well. I would like to try to get somewhat more serious about my nature macro photography. To that end I am thinking of a macro flash. However I've already have a good flash. Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? Any input on the issue will be greatly appreciated. Here's another example of a DIY attempt. It's rough but seems to work: http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-a-diy-ring-flash-tutorial It probably wouldn't be too difficult to do a neater (and more compact) job than this guy managed. Also, as Dave S mentioned, you can use your existing flash if you get it off camera. I use a short flash bracket attached to the base of the camera that I can use with either a single flashgun or two guns, one each side of the camera. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Boris, I have 2 flash set ups for macro work. The first is just 2 matching flashes (either AF360 of AF500) held on a bracket to give light at about 45 degrees on either side of the subject (the angles can be adjusted to give the lighting you like). The AF360's can be used completely P-TTL and wireless triggered from the on camera flash, or you can use a 5P cable set up to set them off. I use the 5P cable for the AF500s as well - usually connecting only one and setting the other to slave mode and both set to manual. (this works for the AF360's as well) The other is more compact and is a modified AF360 with a socket added that lets me plug in another flash head in and use it like 2 flashes but without the bulk and weight of the 2 flash units. Ring flashes are nice, but I the doughnut shaped highlights and the large amount of reflections off anything damp (caused by the sharp angle of the light) have put me off them a bit. If you go the 2 flash and bracket route then you have 2 flashes for use with other photography and the only cost you have to justify is the cost of 2 nice sturdy brackets. Hope this is helpful. Leon. 2009/4/19 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hi! And the question. I've truly excellent Metz 40MZ-2 flash with SCA 3701 adapter that works really well. I would like to try to get somewhat more serious about my nature macro photography. To that end I am thinking of a macro flash. However I've already have a good flash. Thus, I was thinking - is there such a thing that can be attached to the head of a general flash, say my Metz 40MZ-2, that will transmit the light to the front of the lens, just like the ring macro flash? Any input on the issue will be greatly appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage wrote: I'm personally a big fan of the wirelles features of the AF-540FGZ (and the CLS system on the Nikon). Here's a question for you then: how can you (assuming you *can*) set a wireless AF-540FGZ to do trailing curtain sync together with a K20D? I've been playing with this all evening and it's driving me nuts. Between the K20D's manual and the flash's manual it's not clear if it should even work, though it implies it. The K20D manual states that it should work using the built-in flash, but I follow the instructions exactly (afaict) and it simply doesn't work for me. If it makes any difference, I'm setting the K20D to Tv and 0.5 sec shutter so I can see the effects directly. Thanks! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've done it. Don't have time to check now, but I know trailing curtain is set with the lower power switch. I think it's the second click to the right of off. I've used it on the K20D and it works. Paul On Apr 18, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: David Savage wrote: I'm personally a big fan of the wirelles features of the AF-540FGZ (and the CLS system on the Nikon). Here's a question for you then: how can you (assuming you *can*) set a wireless AF-540FGZ to do trailing curtain sync together with a K20D? I've been playing with this all evening and it's driving me nuts. Between the K20D's manual and the flash's manual it's not clear if it should even work, though it implies it. The K20D manual states that it should work using the built-in flash, but I follow the instructions exactly (afaict) and it simply doesn't work for me. If it makes any difference, I'm setting the K20D to Tv and 0.5 sec shutter so I can see the effects directly. Thanks! -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Peter Fairweather Subject: Re: Stupid Flash question Wendy Another thing which I have read is that the guide numbers are based on the flash being used in an averagely reflective room. Outdoors the guide number is effectively reduced by one stop. So the 36 0f the 360 Pentax flash becomes 25. The other dodge to watch out for is which focal length the guide number is quoted at. Not many quote for a 35mm lens as once they did. More likely 100. I suppose one ought to allow for the APSC sensor factor as well. Guide number is independant of focal length of lens or size of film. However, a flash with a zooming head will change GN as it zooms, since the fresnel is focusing the light to a smaller or larger beam pattern. I have heard about the GN being based on an average reflectance scene (the average room, if such a thing exists). Some say it is myth, others say it is true. A flash is definitely more powerful in a smaller room than a very large one or outdoors though because of all the light bouncing around. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I might be wrong but doesn't the guide number go up ny the square root of two. If the GN is 30 at 100 !SO it is 40 at 200 ISO and 60 at 400 ISO Peter On 28/02/2008, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry that was a bit convoluted. Just remember the GN (in this case 22 in meters) depends on the ISO. GN doubles as the ISO doubles. The formula for determining the proper f stop to use is: f = GN (in meters)/distance (in meters) You just plug the numbers you have in. If your lens just has distances marked in feet then you have to convert the GN in meters to one in feet by multiplying it by 3.28. You can simply convert feet into meters, but if you convert the GN it becomes a constant an you only have to do it once. Pretty simple unless you have one of those new fangled lenses with no feet/meter markings at all. Also remember you don't have to be exact. Being off by a 1/3rd to a 1/2 stop will still give reasonable results. P. J. Alling wrote: Yes, I expect since TTL isn't supported on the K10D, so it does fire at full. If you can find out the GN at ISO 100 you should be able to work out your own flash table from there. The ISO 100 GN in Meters as published by Pentax for the AF220T is 22 so to get the correct aperture you need to do a little math.the formula is simple if you have a calculator. (f number) = GN/distance(in meters). If you double the ISO you have to double the GN by the way, so that parts easy enough at least. So your distance of 1.5m at ISO 200 would give this f = 44/1.5 = 29 1/3 so yes f 8 was way too wide at that distance. I'd go with ISO 100 since you have a K10d. That should give you an f stop value of 14.66_ which is much more manageable. wendy beard wrote: I admit, I'm useless when it comes to using flash. I use it as little as possible. When I do, I just stick the flash on the Canon and it all magically works - even on the G9 (tho the flash is bigger than the camera!) I don't remember having any problems with the MZ-S and 360FGZ That's the magic of E-TTL/P-TTL, I suppose Anyway, I no longer have the 360FGZ and both the Canons are off for repair and sticking a flash on the G9 is ridiculous - so I'm trying to get the K10D working with an AF220T Here comes the stupid question. How do I know what settings to use? My old, old agfatronic used to have a table of aperture vs asa vs distance. All that's on the back of this flash is control range 0.7-5.5m It seems mighty powerful at close range. ISO 200 f8 1/180s and a distance of approx 1.5m and it's way over-exposed Is it because TTL isn't supported on the K10D so the flash just fires at full power all the time? Will it just be pure luck if I get a well exposed shot with this combination? Wendy -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Peter Fairweather wrote: I might be wrong but doesn't the guide number go up ny the square root of two. If the GN is 30 at 100 !SO it is 40 at 200 ISO and 60 at 400 ISO Peter On 28/02/2008, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry that was a bit convoluted. Just remember the GN (in this case 22 in meters) depends on the ISO. GN doubles as the ISO doubles. This explanation is about as good as any other I've read: http://www.naturephotographers.net/articles0703/jm0703-1.html -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You're right, it's not linear it's based on with the inverse square law. So GN increases by ~1.41 times when ISO doubles. so a change from iso 100 to 200 give a new gn of 22 gives ~31 hey it was late and I was tired. (Hell just look at my first explanation), and I haven't seriously used manual flash in years. Peter Fairweather wrote: I might be wrong but doesn't the guide number go up ny the square root of two. If the GN is 30 at 100 !SO it is 40 at 200 ISO and 60 at 400 ISO Peter On 28/02/2008, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry that was a bit convoluted. Just remember the GN (in this case 22 in meters) depends on the ISO. GN doubles as the ISO doubles. The formula for determining the proper f stop to use is: f = GN (in meters)/distance (in meters) You just plug the numbers you have in. If your lens just has distances marked in feet then you have to convert the GN in meters to one in feet by multiplying it by 3.28. You can simply convert feet into meters, but if you convert the GN it becomes a constant an you only have to do it once. Pretty simple unless you have one of those new fangled lenses with no feet/meter markings at all. Also remember you don't have to be exact. Being off by a 1/3rd to a 1/2 stop will still give reasonable results. P. J. Alling wrote: Yes, I expect since TTL isn't supported on the K10D, so it does fire at full. If you can find out the GN at ISO 100 you should be able to work out your own flash table from there. The ISO 100 GN in Meters as published by Pentax for the AF220T is 22 so to get the correct aperture you need to do a little math.the formula is simple if you have a calculator. (f number) = GN/distance(in meters). If you double the ISO you have to double the GN by the way, so that parts easy enough at least. So your distance of 1.5m at ISO 200 would give this f = 44/1.5 = 29 1/3 so yes f 8 was way too wide at that distance. I'd go with ISO 100 since you have a K10d. That should give you an f stop value of 14.66_ which is much more manageable. wendy beard wrote: I admit, I'm useless when it comes to using flash. I use it as little as possible. When I do, I just stick the flash on the Canon and it all magically works - even on the G9 (tho the flash is bigger than the camera!) I don't remember having any problems with the MZ-S and 360FGZ That's the magic of E-TTL/P-TTL, I suppose Anyway, I no longer have the 360FGZ and both the Canons are off for repair and sticking a flash on the G9 is ridiculous - so I'm trying to get the K10D working with an AF220T Here comes the stupid question. How do I know what settings to use? My old, old agfatronic used to have a table of aperture vs asa vs distance. All that's on the back of this flash is control range 0.7-5.5m It seems mighty powerful at close range. ISO 200 f8 1/180s and a distance of approx 1.5m and it's way over-exposed Is it because TTL isn't supported on the K10D so the flash just fires at full power all the time? Will it just be pure luck if I get a well exposed shot with this combination? Wendy -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes - if you double the ISO, multiply the GN by 1.414 (even 1.5 will get you pretty close). To double the GN you need to increase the ISO by 4X. -p Peter Fairweather wrote: I might be wrong but doesn't the guide number go up ny the square root of two. If the GN is 30 at 100 !SO it is 40 at 200 ISO and 60 at 400 ISO Peter On 28/02/2008, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry that was a bit convoluted. Just remember the GN (in this case 22 in meters) depends on the ISO. GN doubles as the ISO doubles. The formula for determining the proper f stop to use is: f = GN (in meters)/distance (in meters) You just plug the numbers you have in. If your lens just has distances marked in feet then you have to convert the GN in meters to one in feet by multiplying it by 3.28. You can simply convert feet into meters, but if you convert the GN it becomes a constant an you only have to do it once. Pretty simple unless you have one of those new fangled lenses with no feet/meter markings at all. Also remember you don't have to be exact. Being off by a 1/3rd to a 1/2 stop will still give reasonable results. P. J. Alling wrote: Yes, I expect since TTL isn't supported on the K10D, so it does fire at full. If you can find out the GN at ISO 100 you should be able to work out your own flash table from there. The ISO 100 GN in Meters as published by Pentax for the AF220T is 22 so to get the correct aperture you need to do a little math.the formula is simple if you have a calculator. (f number) = GN/distance(in meters). If you double the ISO you have to double the GN by the way, so that parts easy enough at least. So your distance of 1.5m at ISO 200 would give this f = 44/1.5 = 29 1/3 so yes f 8 was way too wide at that distance. I'd go with ISO 100 since you have a K10d. That should give you an f stop value of 14.66_ which is much more manageable. wendy beard wrote: I admit, I'm useless when it comes to using flash. I use it as little as possible. When I do, I just stick the flash on the Canon and it all magically works - even on the G9 (tho the flash is bigger than the camera!) I don't remember having any problems with the MZ-S and 360FGZ That's the magic of E-TTL/P-TTL, I suppose Anyway, I no longer have the 360FGZ and both the Canons are off for repair and sticking a flash on the G9 is ridiculous - so I'm trying to get the K10D working with an AF220T Here comes the stupid question. How do I know what settings to use? My old, old agfatronic used to have a table of aperture vs asa vs distance. All that's on the back of this flash is control range 0.7-5.5m It seems mighty powerful at close range. ISO 200 f8 1/180s and a distance of approx 1.5m and it's way over-exposed Is it because TTL isn't supported on the K10D so the flash just fires at full power all the time? Will it just be pure luck if I get a well exposed shot with this combination? Wendy -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: wendy beard Subject: Stupid Flash question I admit, I'm useless when it comes to using flash. I use it as little as possible. When I do, I just stick the flash on the Canon and it all magically works - even on the G9 (tho the flash is bigger than the camera!) I don't remember having any problems with the MZ-S and 360FGZ That's the magic of E-TTL/P-TTL, I suppose Anyway, I no longer have the 360FGZ and both the Canons are off for repair and sticking a flash on the G9 is ridiculous - so I'm trying to get the K10D working with an AF220T Here comes the stupid question. How do I know what settings to use? My old, old agfatronic used to have a table of aperture vs asa vs distance. All that's on the back of this flash is control range 0.7-5.5m It seems mighty powerful at close range. ISO 200 f8 1/180s and a distance of approx 1.5m and it's way over-exposed Is it because TTL isn't supported on the K10D so the flash just fires at full power all the time? Will it just be pure luck if I get a well exposed shot with this combination? Analog TTL isn't supported on the K10, so you will have to use the AF220T as a plain auto flash, if possible. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wendy, An alternative way of figuring out the needed f-stop for your flash is as follows. Look at the page 4 of the manual, Table no.1: http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/AF220T_FLASH.pdf Since K10D does not support regular TTL, the flash will fire at full power. This means, that the you take the longest side of each range - for the particular f-stop -- this would be the right distance for this f-stop at ISO-100. At other ISOs - you multiply it by the factor posted in Table no.3 - or simply change by 1 f-stop for each ISO step. HTH, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ok. Think I've got it. So looking at the table - f8 and ISO 100 with the flash at full power will illuminate correctly objects at a distance of 2.7m thanks everybody! Wendy On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, An alternative way of figuring out the needed f-stop for your flash is as follows. Look at the page 4 of the manual, Table no.1: http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/AF220T_FLASH.pdf Since K10D does not support regular TTL, the flash will fire at full power. This means, that the you take the longest side of each range - for the particular f-stop -- this would be the right distance for this f-stop at ISO-100. At other ISOs - you multiply it by the factor posted in Table no.3 - or simply change by 1 f-stop for each ISO step. HTH, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wendy Another thing which I have read is that the guide numbers are based on the flash being used in an averagely reflective room. Outdoors the guide number is effectively reduced by one stop. So the 36 0f the 360 Pentax flash becomes 25. The other dodge to watch out for is which focal length the guide number is quoted at. Not many quote for a 35mm lens as once they did. More likely 100. I suppose one ought to allow for the APSC sensor factor as well. Happily before you enrol on a maths degree and paint your room 18% grey, a mixture of chimping and bracketing works a lot more easily. Peter On 28/02/2008, wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. Think I've got it. So looking at the table - f8 and ISO 100 with the flash at full power will illuminate correctly objects at a distance of 2.7m thanks everybody! Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill, The flash is effectively more powerful in a smaller room if the angle of the beam is much larger then the angle of the view of the object. Let me give you an example where it is not true. Imagine you are using a flash with an angle of the beam that is similar to the angle of view of your lens (and the design where all the light is thrown forward) and the object you are photographing takes most of the frame. In this case, presence or absence of the wall would not matter. (This situation is somewhat equivalent to macro-photography with a flash). While I do not know how exactly GN is calibrated in reality, I would expect it to be based on the direct light exposure, without taking into account the light bounced of the walls/ceiling. In this case, the average reflectance is related to the object(s) being photographed, and not to the surrounding objects (outside of the frame). Igor Thu Feb 28 18:40:38 EST 2008 William Robb I have heard about the GN being based on an average reflectance scene (the average room, if such a thing exists). Some say it is myth, others say it is true. A flash is definitely more powerful in a smaller room than a very large one or outdoors though because of all the light bouncing around. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Stupid Flash question
I admit, I'm useless when it comes to using flash. I use it as little as possible. When I do, I just stick the flash on the Canon and it all magically works - even on the G9 (tho the flash is bigger than the camera!) I don't remember having any problems with the MZ-S and 360FGZ That's the magic of E-TTL/P-TTL, I suppose Anyway, I no longer have the 360FGZ and both the Canons are off for repair and sticking a flash on the G9 is ridiculous - so I'm trying to get the K10D working with an AF220T Here comes the stupid question. How do I know what settings to use? My old, old agfatronic used to have a table of aperture vs asa vs distance. All that's on the back of this flash is control range 0.7-5.5m It seems mighty powerful at close range. ISO 200 f8 1/180s and a distance of approx 1.5m and it's way over-exposed Is it because TTL isn't supported on the K10D so the flash just fires at full power all the time? Will it just be pure luck if I get a well exposed shot with this combination? Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, I expect since TTL isn't supported on the K10D, so it does fire at full. If you can find out the GN at ISO 100 you should be able to work out your own flash table from there. The ISO 100 GN in Meters as published by Pentax for the AF220T is 22 so to get the correct aperture you need to do a little math.the formula is simple if you have a calculator. (f number) = GN/distance(in meters). If you double the ISO you have to double the GN by the way, so that parts easy enough at least. So your distance of 1.5m at ISO 200 would give this f = 44/1.5 = 29 1/3 so yes f 8 was way too wide at that distance. I'd go with ISO 100 since you have a K10d. That should give you an f stop value of 14.66_ which is much more manageable. wendy beard wrote: I admit, I'm useless when it comes to using flash. I use it as little as possible. When I do, I just stick the flash on the Canon and it all magically works - even on the G9 (tho the flash is bigger than the camera!) I don't remember having any problems with the MZ-S and 360FGZ That's the magic of E-TTL/P-TTL, I suppose Anyway, I no longer have the 360FGZ and both the Canons are off for repair and sticking a flash on the G9 is ridiculous - so I'm trying to get the K10D working with an AF220T Here comes the stupid question. How do I know what settings to use? My old, old agfatronic used to have a table of aperture vs asa vs distance. All that's on the back of this flash is control range 0.7-5.5m It seems mighty powerful at close range. ISO 200 f8 1/180s and a distance of approx 1.5m and it's way over-exposed Is it because TTL isn't supported on the K10D so the flash just fires at full power all the time? Will it just be pure luck if I get a well exposed shot with this combination? Wendy -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Flash question
Sorry that was a bit convoluted. Just remember the GN (in this case 22 in meters) depends on the ISO. GN doubles as the ISO doubles. The formula for determining the proper f stop to use is: f = GN (in meters)/distance (in meters) You just plug the numbers you have in. If your lens just has distances marked in feet then you have to convert the GN in meters to one in feet by multiplying it by 3.28. You can simply convert feet into meters, but if you convert the GN it becomes a constant an you only have to do it once. Pretty simple unless you have one of those new fangled lenses with no feet/meter markings at all. Also remember you don't have to be exact. Being off by a 1/3rd to a 1/2 stop will still give reasonable results. P. J. Alling wrote: Yes, I expect since TTL isn't supported on the K10D, so it does fire at full. If you can find out the GN at ISO 100 you should be able to work out your own flash table from there. The ISO 100 GN in Meters as published by Pentax for the AF220T is 22 so to get the correct aperture you need to do a little math.the formula is simple if you have a calculator. (f number) = GN/distance(in meters). If you double the ISO you have to double the GN by the way, so that parts easy enough at least. So your distance of 1.5m at ISO 200 would give this f = 44/1.5 = 29 1/3 so yes f 8 was way too wide at that distance. I'd go with ISO 100 since you have a K10d. That should give you an f stop value of 14.66_ which is much more manageable. wendy beard wrote: I admit, I'm useless when it comes to using flash. I use it as little as possible. When I do, I just stick the flash on the Canon and it all magically works - even on the G9 (tho the flash is bigger than the camera!) I don't remember having any problems with the MZ-S and 360FGZ That's the magic of E-TTL/P-TTL, I suppose Anyway, I no longer have the 360FGZ and both the Canons are off for repair and sticking a flash on the G9 is ridiculous - so I'm trying to get the K10D working with an AF220T Here comes the stupid question. How do I know what settings to use? My old, old agfatronic used to have a table of aperture vs asa vs distance. All that's on the back of this flash is control range 0.7-5.5m It seems mighty powerful at close range. ISO 200 f8 1/180s and a distance of approx 1.5m and it's way over-exposed Is it because TTL isn't supported on the K10D so the flash just fires at full power all the time? Will it just be pure luck if I get a well exposed shot with this combination? Wendy -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Because they do have at least some real photographic skills. On 1/11/08, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If most PS users love power zoom then why is Manual Zoom a selling feature of higher-end PS's. Most PS shooters I know actively hate Power Zoom and it's imprecise control. -Adam On 1/11/08, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know some people who like it and btw PS users love it !! On Jan 11, 2008 9:48 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And smoking the same crack. Neither were exactly good ideas, and power zoom was actively bad. -Adam On 1/11/08, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) Huh.. LOL mmm. You're right, me thinks. I prefer laughing at it. Thanks for for the info ! -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And smoking the same crack. Neither were exactly good ideas, and power zoom was actively bad. -Adam On 1/11/08, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
The computing power for Power Zoom to work as promised with any reliability, wasn't available in the size package Pentax tried to put it in for any reasonable price at the time. I'm not sure it's available now at a reasonable price. Adam Maas wrote: And smoking the same crack. Neither were exactly good ideas, and power zoom was actively bad. -Adam On 1/11/08, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
I know some people who like it and btw PS users love it !! On Jan 11, 2008 9:48 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And smoking the same crack. Neither were exactly good ideas, and power zoom was actively bad. -Adam On 1/11/08, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Not to mention it adds significant mechanical and electronic complexity with little benefit. -Adam On 1/11/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The computing power for Power Zoom to work as promised with any reliability, wasn't available in the size package Pentax tried to put it in for any reasonable price at the time. I'm not sure it's available now at a reasonable price. Adam Maas wrote: And smoking the same crack. Neither were exactly good ideas, and power zoom was actively bad. -Adam On 1/11/08, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
If most PS users love power zoom then why is Manual Zoom a selling feature of higher-end PS's. Most PS shooters I know actively hate Power Zoom and it's imprecise control. -Adam On 1/11/08, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know some people who like it and btw PS users love it !! On Jan 11, 2008 9:48 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And smoking the same crack. Neither were exactly good ideas, and power zoom was actively bad. -Adam On 1/11/08, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Their engineers must have been very friendly... No. They just slept @ a Holiday Inn Express! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D flash question Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Together... They went to different schools together. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D flash question Together... Ken Waller wrote: Their engineers must have been very friendly... No. They just slept @ a Holiday Inn Express! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D flash question Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Together... Ken Waller wrote: Their engineers must have been very friendly... No. They just slept @ a Holiday Inn Express! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D flash question Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Power Zoom is quite useful on big, heavy lenses such as the FA* 80-200 (and even more so on the 250-600); you can zoom over the full zoom range with only a very small hand movement. It's certainly not an essential feature, but it does have some uses. On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 03:48:53PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote: And smoking the same crack. Neither were exactly good ideas, and power zoom was actively bad. -Adam On 1/11/08, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax and Minolta shared a few other ideas, such as power zoom lenses and pop-up flashes. Their engineers must have been very friendly... Rick --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Since I almost always use the shortest or longesst focal length on my PS, it does not seem imprecise, but it does seem slow. However most point and shooters I know are using their celphone can could not care less about a real camera. Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Adam Maas wrote: If most PS users love power zoom then why is Manual Zoom a selling feature of higher-end PS's. Most PS shooters I know actively hate Power Zoom and it's imprecise control. Note to list guy: I am trimming my posts... :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 * No HSS in wireless mode On Jan 10, 2008 5:02 AM, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability with the onboard flash that the *istD has? I seem to remember people saying when it first came out that it was missing and you needed to mount an AF360 or 540 to go wireless. People thought that a firmware upgrade might bring it back. Did that ever happen? Thanks, Gonz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Thanks everyone who responded. I hope (and suspect) that the K20D will also be so enabled. On 1/10/08, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 * No HSS in wireless mode On Jan 10, 2008 5:02 AM, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability with the onboard flash that the *istD has? I seem to remember people saying when it first came out that it was missing and you needed to mount an AF360 or 540 to go wireless. People thought that a firmware upgrade might bring it back. Did that ever happen? Thanks, Gonz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Pentax got the idea from Minolta, who introduced their wireless flash system, complete with moronic channel selection, in 1992. Given the peculiarities of the P-TTL wireless system, I halfway suspect it might be a licensed version of Minolta's ADI metered TTL system. The two work (And don't work) in very similar ways. -Adam On 1/10/08, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability ... Yes with firmware updates and with 2 limitations: * You can only chose channel nr 1 Well, you *can* choose other channels on the K10D, the same way as with the *istD. Having said that, setting it is about the most convoluted and unintuitive way imaginable: The camera picks up the wireless channel of a slave set to remote when its mounted on the hot-shoe. So put the flash on the camera, set your flash to Channel X and Slave mode, then enable wireless mode on the camera. It will show Ch X (where it usually shows Ch 1), and will work just fine on that channel. You then take the slave flash off the hotshoe and put it where you actually want it... Whoever thought up this at Pentax should be shot (what would be wrong with just using a thumbwheel to change channel while its showing Ch 1 after turning on wireless mode...) * No HSS in wireless mode Indeed. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K10D flash question
Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability with the onboard flash that the *istD has? I seem to remember people saying when it first came out that it was missing and you needed to mount an AF360 or 540 to go wireless. People thought that a firmware upgrade might bring it back. Did that ever happen? Thanks, Gonz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D flash question
Does the K10D have the wireless flash capability with the onboard flash that the *istD has? I seem to remember people saying when it first came out that it was missing and you needed to mount an AF360 or 540 to go wireless. People thought that a firmware upgrade might bring it back. Did that ever happen? Yes it does. I think this came in the 1.10 update? in any case my 1.30 version supports it. Though, curiously, I don't think it'll do wireless HSS (which the *istD will) Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wireless flash question: Control vs Master
On Nov 14, 2007, at 16:12, Charles Robinson wrote: What is the control wireless mode for? I've been playing around with it, and it seems that the flash attached to the camera - the AF540FGZ - fires (and triggers the remote slave flash) in either control or master mode. I'm a little puzzled as to what the control mode is for and the user manual isn't much help. Can someone please explain it to me like I'm five years old? Nevermind From what I've read online (duh, should have looked harder first), a flash in control mode should not contribute significantly to the exposure so it's doing what I thought it should be doing - primarily just telling the remote flash what to do. Although why that final full flash from the controller needs to go off at all, I have no idea. Seems like it could do the pre-flashing and then just shut up! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wireless flash question: Control vs Master
Yes. In control mode, the on-board flash only comunucates info to the external flash and is fired out of sync with the shutter. In master mode the on-board flash also adds its exposure to the scene. I think.(?) Jack --- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the control wireless mode for? I've been playing around with it, and it seems that the flash attached to the camera - the AF540FGZ - fires (and triggers the remote slave flash) in either control or master mode. I'm a little puzzled as to what the control mode is for and the user manual isn't much help. Can someone please explain it to me like I'm five years old? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Wireless flash question: Control vs Master
What is the control wireless mode for? I've been playing around with it, and it seems that the flash attached to the camera - the AF540FGZ - fires (and triggers the remote slave flash) in either control or master mode. I'm a little puzzled as to what the control mode is for and the user manual isn't much help. Can someone please explain it to me like I'm five years old? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wireless flash question: Control vs Master
On Nov 14, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: What is the control wireless mode for? I've been playing around with it, and it seems that the flash attached to the camera - the AF540FGZ - fires (and triggers the remote slave flash) in either control or master mode. I'm a little puzzled as to what the control mode is for and the user manual isn't much help. Can someone please explain it to me like I'm five years old? Nevermind From what I've read online (duh, should have looked harder first), a flash in control mode should not contribute significantly to the exposure so it's doing what I thought it should be doing - primarily just telling the remote flash what to do. Although why that final full flash from the controller needs to go off at all, I have no idea. Seems like it could do the pre-flashing and then just shut up! I don't have one to experiment with, but that's probably what tells the slave flash exactly when to fire. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
