subject:"New camera"

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
>> Keep it rubber side up. cheers
> 
> Er, down, hopefully :-)

Spandex/Lycra up, rubber down. :-)

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Re: a new camera ...

On 26/10/18, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Keep it rubber side up. cheers

Er, down, hopefully :-)

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Re: a new camera ...

On 26/10/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

> it's time for my afternoon bicycle ride

Keep it rubber side up. cheers

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Re: a new camera ...

On 26/10/18, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Get yourself a Zenit.  Useful for seal clubbing when photography palls.

Also, the film advance spools inside make great wale-skinning tools.

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Re: a new camera ...

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 11:02 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 26/10/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I think the notion is too broad. Film or digital is irrelevant: I want
>> my Leica M to feel and work like a Leica M always did. That's much more
>> specific and concrete. It's not how my Nikon F felt and works, nor my
>> Rolleiflex EX, etc. A Leica M from 1953 to the first Leica digital M
>> always felt pretty much the same. The M8 and M9 series lost a lot of the
>> responsiveness, regained in the typ 240 going forward. All the digital
>> models but for the M Edition 60, the M-D, and this new M10-D have a
>> different feel because of the LCD and all the buttons on the back that
>> my fingers have to work their way around: these three models, with those
>> unnecessary bits absent, now feel like a Leica M always did, to me.
> 
> Interesting points.
> 
> One of the things I like about my Oly Pen F is that it is so reminiscent in 
> size and feel to my Pentax MXs of yesteryear.
> 
> I know this should not be important but actually the familiarity is quite 
> pleasant, really. Much like the 'feel' of your Leica M is effectively 
> recreated in the more modern digital examples. You obviously prefer that - 
> familiarity?
> 
> The Fujis have this 'familiarity' also. Heft and metal. I don't prefer 
> lightweight cameras with lots of plastic.
> 
> I suppose I would be a good Leica customer but I'd rather spend my 
> hard-earned crust pouring diesel into my Land Rover, or saving for the day 
> when I can buy myself a boat.
> 
> Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice :-D

One does, one does. :)

Yes: What I've been reaching for all these years as digital capture cameras 
have come into being and matured into usable devices is a camera with the 
familiarity to muscle memory and mind that it disappears from my sight when in 
use the same way that my first Leica M and my Nikon F cameras did fifty some 
years ago. The Leica M-D 262 finally achieved that; the closest an SLR ever 
came was the Olympus E-1, but that's now been replaced by the Leica CL which 
can be configured to do that disappearing act for me (and which also feels in 
use much like my Olympus Pen FT half-frame camera once did, one of my favorite 
film cameras…). 

No desire for a boat here, and I have the car, the motorcycle, and the bicycle 
which make me smile on the vehicle front. Speaking of which, it's time for my 
afternoon bicycle ride … :-)

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Re: a new camera ...

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:18 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
>> On 26 October 2018 at 17:44 Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> The thumb rest? Ach: never used a film wind lever like that to begin with. 
>> If I happen to buy this camera, I'll remove it. :-)
> 
> If I happen to buy this camera, I'll keep it in the glove box of the Rolls 
> Royce I pick up for shopping trips.

Good of you to buy a proper vehicle to carry the camera in for its shopping 
trips. :)

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-26 Thread mike wilson



> On 26 October 2018 at 17:44 Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

> The thumb rest? Ach: never used a film wind lever like that to begin with. If 
> I happen to buy this camera, I'll remove it. :-)

If I happen to buy this camera, I'll keep it in the glove box of the Rolls 
Royce I pick up for shopping trips.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-26 Thread mike wilson

> On 26 October 2018 at 19:02 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> The Fujis have this 'familiarity' also. Heft and metal. I don't prefer 
> lightweight cameras with lots of plastic.

Get yourself a Zenit.  Useful for seal clubbing when photography palls.

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Re: a new camera ...

On 26/10/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Eh? Two minutes with a Dremel Moto Tool and that useless thumb rest is a
>goner. ];-)

@ 2 mins you'd be left with a stub!!

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Re: a new camera ...

On 26/10/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think the notion is too broad. Film or digital is irrelevant: I want
>my Leica M to feel and work like a Leica M always did. That's much more
>specific and concrete. It's not how my Nikon F felt and works, nor my
>Rolleiflex EX, etc. A Leica M from 1953 to the first Leica digital M
>always felt pretty much the same. The M8 and M9 series lost a lot of the
>responsiveness, regained in the typ 240 going forward. All the digital
>models but for the M Edition 60, the M-D, and this new M10-D have a
>different feel because of the LCD and all the buttons on the back that
>my fingers have to work their way around: these three models, with those
>unnecessary bits absent, now feel like a Leica M always did, to me.

Interesting points.

One of the things I like about my Oly Pen F is that it is so reminiscent in 
size and feel to my Pentax MXs of yesteryear.

I know this should not be important but actually the familiarity is quite 
pleasant, really. Much like the 'feel' of your Leica M is effectively recreated 
in the more modern digital examples. You obviously prefer that - familiarity?

The Fujis have this 'familiarity' also. Heft and metal. I don't prefer 
lightweight cameras with lots of plastic.

I suppose I would be a good Leica customer but I'd rather spend my hard-earned 
crust pouring diesel into my Land Rover, or saving for the day when I can buy 
myself a boat.

Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice :-D

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Re: a new camera ...




Eh? Two minutes with a Dremel Moto Tool and that useless thumb rest is a goner. 
];-)

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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 26/10/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> The thumb rest? Ach: never used a film wind lever like that to begin
>> with. If I happen to buy this camera, I'll remove it. :-)
> 
> Easier to remove your thumb ;-)

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Re: a new camera ...

On 26/10/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The thumb rest? Ach: never used a film wind lever like that to begin
>with. If I happen to buy this camera, I'll remove it. :-)

Easier to remove your thumb ;-)

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Re: New Camera

2018-10-26 Thread Ken Waller

Ya know with a used lens from KEH and my K10D he'd have a decent starter 
kit.


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Ken's k10? I also saw a kr at keh for about the same price, better low 
light performer, not as nice of a ui.


On October 26, 2018 6:56:53 AM PDT, Ed Keeney  wrote:

My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
for Christmas.  I took a quick look at B&H to get the entry level
camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.

Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
depending on the lens kit included.  Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
round $700 for a single lens kit.

Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
might lose the photo bug in a short time.

Am I missing something?

Thanks!
Ed
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Re: New Camera

2018-10-26 Thread Igor PDML-StR




Ed,

I often get asked this type of questions by friends.

While I am myself a big fan of the SLRs I have (and had before), - today, 
I would not suggest a DSLR as the first camera in the case like yours.


Here is my earlier response on this list to a similar question from Eric:
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2018-March/443539.html
where I explain why.
Even though that was written for a 12-y.o., practically all the same 
thoughts are applicable to a 15-y.o.



So, I would suggest either one of the micro-2/3 cameras, if the 
interchangeable lenses are desired, or a well-capable ("more advanced")
P&S, - such that offers manual control for most parameters (almost the 
same as in case of an SLR or rangefinder).


In case of a P&S, I'd suggest to buy a camera with a fast lens (f/2.0 or 
faster, -- there are a few cams with 1.4 or 1.7).

A faster lens typically shortens the reach of the zoom.
But the practice shows that typically, you don't use as much of the long 
end of a P&S "superzoom" (the image quality is not as good, and

you are not buying a P&S for birding), but you'd appreciate
a fast lens.

For about 10 years, I've been following the models of the advanced P&S's
(but stopped in the past ~3 years). We usually had one either for my wife 
or as a camera for me when I cannot take a DSLR (e.g. on a snow mountain).


Brand- and model-wise, for a P&S, I'd look at the Lumix LX line, - 
currently it is Lumix LX10, or Canon Powershot:  G7 X Mark II at this 
point, or its predecessor, that is still available and cheaper, - G7 X.
These two model lines have been very close to each other, - but somehow 
I've always made a choice in favor of Lumix, and never regretted.


I don't know the most recent micro-2/3rds models, but I am sure some 
people on this list can recommend those.



You might also want to see what other PDMLers wrote in that earlier thread:
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2018-March/thread.html
(That thread is about 1/3 down on that page, with the subject "Cameras for 
a kid")




Now, let me comment on the C, N, and P lower-end (D)SLRs.
 While I haven't looked at those in the past 3-4 years, my experience from 
the previous 20 years form my opinion that the lowest end Canon DSLRs (and 
SLRs),- "Digital Rebel" (and Rebel before that) are a bad choice.
 They are made cheaply, and are not as good performers as the counterparts 
from Nikon and Pentax. Canon good cameras are their high-end models (And I 
don't have sufficient experience with Canon mid-level models.) It seems 
that the intent of those cameras is to hook people on Canon brand with a 
low price, and lock them in there, expecting the need for an upgrade.


In contrast, the low-end Pentax and Nikon have been good, solid performers.


I hope this helps.

Best regards,

Igor




Ed Keeney Fri, 26 Oct 2018 06:57:59 -0700 wrote:

My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
for Christmas.  I took a quick look at B&H to get the entry level
camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.


Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
depending on the lens kit included.  Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
round $700 for a single lens kit.

Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
might lose the photo bug in a short time.

Am I missing something?

Thanks!
Ed

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Re: New Camera

2018-10-26 Thread P. J. Alling

The K-70 is a better all around camera than Nikon and Canon entry level 
systems.  I haven't looked at Canon's bottom tier Rebels lately but 
earlier ones had crappy viewfinders and not particularly great IQ in 
addition to having smaller sensors, plus feeling decidedly plasticy.  
The Nikons have a lot fewer features and IIRC their bottom rung D3xxx 
series is pretty hobbled by it's feature set, and their viewfinder again 
isn't the best.  They're not as cheap feeling as the Canons were though.


I have an analogy here.  When I was just a wee youth, my parents paid 
for guitar lessons, and an inexpensive instrument.   The one I picked 
out was obviously the nicest I could find, it just looked good, but what 
did I know about guitars.  I didn't realize until much later that I was 
always cutting my fingers on the strings because they were positioned 
too far from the fretboard.  Because of that I never enjoyed playing and 
gave it up.


My point is, if the equipment is unpleasant to use, it will kill a new 
users enthusiasm as fast as anything.



On 10/26/2018 9:56 AM, Ed Keeney wrote:

My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
for Christmas.  I took a quick look at B&H to get the entry level
camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.

Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
depending on the lens kit included.  Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
round $700 for a single lens kit.

Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
might lose the photo bug in a short time.

Am I missing something?

Thanks!
Ed
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Re: a new camera ...

On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 25/10/18, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I agree about the "advance" lever. That kind of tat is beneath Leica
>> (or should be).
>> 
>> I also notice: Unlike the  PIXII, the M10-D does accept standard
>> memory cards. And it uses DNG as its native raw format.
>> 
>> This is officially the first leica that's ever interested me.
> 
> Worth a gllmpse of Kai Wong trying it out...
> 
> 

Kao is always reasonably entertaining, and it's good to see him enjoying a 
Leica M. He does get into a bit overmuch on the Focusing stuff ... most M users 
in good light like that will set f8 and the zone they want and not touch the 
focus at all unless they move in or want a broader distance view. 

The other minor but significant thing I notice in all these reviews is that 
they always say the camera is trying to be a "analog" ... aka "film" ... camera 
in feel and use, even Leica themself does that. 

I think the notion is too broad. Film or digital is irrelevant: I want my Leica 
M to feel and work like a Leica M always did. That's much more specific and 
concrete. It's not how my Nikon F felt and works, nor my Rolleiflex EX, etc. A 
Leica M from 1953 to the first Leica digital M always felt pretty much the 
same. The M8 and M9 series lost a lot of the responsiveness, regained in the 
typ 240 going forward. All the digital models but for the M Edition 60, the 
M-D, and this new M10-D have a different feel because of the LCD and all the 
buttons on the back that my fingers have to work their way around: these three 
models, with those unnecessary bits absent, now feel like a Leica M always did, 
to me.

The thumb rest? Ach: never used a film wind lever like that to begin with. If I 
happen to buy this camera, I'll remove it. :-)

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Re: New Camera

2018-10-26 Thread Paul Stenquist

I have a K5 that looks like new, with the original box (nice condition), the 
strap, charger, cables, instruction manual and battery, all in the box and 
never used. Not sure of the shutter count, but it was my backup and I don’t 
think I used it a lot. Can’t get a count on my shutter count, and since I have 
a Mac the EXIF reader won’t work. You can have it for $250 or $300 with a 
battery grip.
Paul

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Ed Keeney  wrote:
> 
> My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
> for Christmas.  I took a quick look at B&H to get the entry level
> camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.
> 
> Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
> depending on the lens kit included.  Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
> round $700 for a single lens kit.
> 
> Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
> might lose the photo bug in a short time.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks!
> Ed
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Re: a new camera ...

On 25/10/18, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I agree about the "advance" lever. That kind of tat is beneath Leica
>(or should be).
>
>I also notice: Unlike the  PIXII, the M10-D does accept standard
>memory cards. And it uses DNG as its native raw format.
>
>This is officially the first leica that's ever interested me.

Worth a gllmpse of Kai Wong trying it out...



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Re: New Camera

2018-10-26 Thread Jack Davis

Does the "kit" composition, perhaps,
explain a part of the difference?
J




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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 6:56 AM, Ed Keeney  wrote:
> 
> My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
> for Christmas.  I took a quick look at B&H to get the entry level
> camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.
> 
> Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
> depending on the lens kit included.  Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
> round $700 for a single lens kit.
> 
> Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
> might lose the photo bug in a short time.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks!
> Ed
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Re: New Camera

2018-10-26 Thread lrc

Ken's k10? I also saw a kr at keh for about the same price, better low light 
performer, not as nice of a ui.

On October 26, 2018 6:56:53 AM PDT, Ed Keeney  wrote:
>My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
>for Christmas.  I took a quick look at B&H to get the entry level
>camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.
>
>Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
>depending on the lens kit included.  Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
>round $700 for a single lens kit.
>
>Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
>might lose the photo bug in a short time.
>
>Am I missing something?
>
>Thanks!
>Ed
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New Camera

2018-10-26 Thread Ed Keeney

My sister-in-law is looking to get her 15 year old son a new camera
for Christmas.  I took a quick look at B&H to get the entry level
camera prices for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony.

Prices for Canon and Nikon entry level cameras come in around $450-600
depending on the lens kit included.  Sony and Pentax (K70) both start
round $700 for a single lens kit.

Kinda hard to push Pentax at $250 more for a beginner and someone who
might lose the photo bug in a short time.

Am I missing something?

Thanks!
Ed
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-26 Thread mike wilson



> On 25 October 2018 at 23:01 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> Barbarian! The best Leicas don't have a red dot.

Ah, yes.  The world-renowned Kommando series.

> 
> > On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:46, mike wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> On 25 October 2018 at 17:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Beautiful!
> > 
> > I'm not getting that.  Functional, maybe, and well-finished.  But the 
> > advance lever is just ugly.  And only a tiny red dot on the back for your 
> > 8K.
> > 
> >> 
> >>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:21, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> >>> 
>  Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a 
>  couple others might be interested. 
>  
>  ---
>  This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
>  Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
>  
>  Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory 
>  only, WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor 
>  format and Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 
>  12 to 16 Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
> >>> 
> >>> Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
> >>> making essentially the same kind of camera?
> >>> https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/
> >>> 
> >>> Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only. 
> >>> It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
> >>> with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
> >>> me.)
> >>> 
> >>> Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.
> >>> 
> >>> If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
>> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
>> others might be interested. 
>> 
>> ---
>> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
>> Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
>> 
>> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
>> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
>> Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 
>> Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
> 
> Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
> making essentially the same kind of camera?
> https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/
> 
> Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only. 
> It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
> with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
> me.)
> 
> Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.
> 
> If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.

Not quite the same kind of camera, Mark. The PIXII is a much simpler, 
all-built-in storage and battery camera with just the optical rangefinder. The 
M10-D is a limited edition version of the M10, sans LCD, and takes an optional 
EVF, takes SD storage cards and M10 batteries, and is configurable/controllable 
via WiFi with the Leica FOTOs app on smart phones. It is as yet unclear whether 
the PIXII is APS-C or FF format but it is considered very likely to be a 16 
Mpixel APS-C format camera; the M10-D has a FF format sensor with 24Mpixel 
resolution. 

The M10-D follows the very successful limited production M-D model, which sold 
out its run within a year and a quarter. I bought the M-D and it has become one 
of my most favorite cameras of all time, as well as my favorite Leica M whether 
film or digital capture. :-)

G
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

My 1953 Leica iiif RD has a red dial but no red dot. 

Paul

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Barbarian! The best Leicas don't have a red dot.
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:46, mike wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 October 2018 at 17:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Beautiful!
>> 
>> I'm not getting that.  Functional, maybe, and well-finished.  But the 
>> advance lever is just ugly.  And only a tiny red dot on the back for your 8K.
>> 
>>> 
 On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:21, Mark Roberts  wrote:
 
 Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
 
> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a 
> couple others might be interested. 
> 
> ---
> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
> Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
> 
> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory 
> only, WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor 
> format and Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 
> to 16 Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
 
 Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
 making essentially the same kind of camera?
 https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/
 
 Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only. 
 It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
 with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
 me.)
 
 Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.
 
 If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.
>> 
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Bob W-PDML

They haven't removed features, they've replaced one with another. Anyway, 
Leicas are like women's underwear - less is more. They know their customers.

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 20:45, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noticed that Leica removed the back LCD and charges more for the 
> camera, only Leica could get away with removing features and charging more.
> 
> 
> On 10/25/2018 12:46 PM, mike wilson wrote:
>>> On 25 October 2018 at 17:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Beautiful!
>> I'm not getting that.  Functional, maybe, and well-finished.  But the 
>> advance lever is just ugly.  And only a tiny red dot on the back for your 8K.
>> 
 On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:21, Mark Roberts  wrote:
 
 Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
 
> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a 
> couple others might be interested.
> 
> ---
> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
> Rumors: https://pixii.fr.
> 
> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory 
> only, WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor 
> format and Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 
> to 16 Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
 Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
 making essentially the same kind of camera?
 https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/
 
 Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only.
 It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
 with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
 me.)
 
 Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.
 
 If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.
> 
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Bob W-PDML

Barbarian! The best Leicas don't have a red dot.

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:46, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 25 October 2018 at 17:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Beautiful!
> 
> I'm not getting that.  Functional, maybe, and well-finished.  But the advance 
> lever is just ugly.  And only a tiny red dot on the back for your 8K.
> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:21, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
 Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
 others might be interested. 
 
 ---
 This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
 Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
 
 Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
 WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
 Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 
 Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
>>> making essentially the same kind of camera?
>>> https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/
>>> 
>>> Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only. 
>>> It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
>>> with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
>>> me.)
>>> 
>>> Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.
>>> 
>>> If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.
> 
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Special edition, low productions always cost more than standard production 
items, from any manufacturer, regardless of feature set. 

Current price of my special edition Leica M-D typ 262 is now $500 more than I 
paid for it New, after being used for two-plus years. 

G

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:44 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noticed that Leica removed the back LCD and charges more for the 
> camera, only Leica could get away with removing features and charging more.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread P. J. Alling

Has anyone noticed that Leica removed the back LCD and charges more for
the camera, only Leica could get away with removing features and
charging more.

On 10/25/2018 12:46 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 25 October 2018 at 17:29 Bob W-PDML wrote:

Beautiful!

I'm not getting that. Functional, maybe, and well-finished. But the advance
lever is just ugly. And only a tiny red dot on the back for your 8K.

On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:21, Mark Roberts wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple
others might be interested.

---
This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica Rumors:
https://pixii.fr.

Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, WiFi
connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and Mpixel yet,
but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 Mpixels. Another
information update is supposedly due soon.

Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
making essentially the same kind of camera?
https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/

Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only.
It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
me.)

Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.

If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Mark Roberts

mike wilson  wrote:

>
>> On 25 October 2018 at 17:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Beautiful!
>
>I'm not getting that.  Functional, maybe, and well-finished.  But the advance 
>lever is just ugly.  And only a tiny red dot on the back for your 8K.

I agree about the "advance" lever. That kind of tat is beneath Leica
(or should be).

I also notice: Unlike the  PIXII, the M10-D does accept standard
memory cards. And it uses DNG as its native raw format.

This is officially the first leica that's ever interested me.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread mike wilson



> On 25 October 2018 at 17:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> Beautiful!

I'm not getting that.  Functional, maybe, and well-finished.  But the advance 
lever is just ugly.  And only a tiny red dot on the back for your 8K.

> 
> > On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:21, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> > 
> > Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> > 
> >> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
> >> others might be interested. 
> >> 
> >> ---
> >> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
> >> Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
> >> 
> >> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
> >> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
> >> Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 
> >> Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
> > 
> > Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
> > making essentially the same kind of camera?
> > https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/
> > 
> > Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only. 
> > It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
> > with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
> > me.)
> > 
> > Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.
> > 
> > If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Bob W-PDML

Beautiful!

> On 25 Oct 2018, at 17:21, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
>> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
>> others might be interested. 
>> 
>> ---
>> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
>> Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
>> 
>> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
>> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
>> Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 
>> Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
> 
> Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
> making essentially the same kind of camera?
> https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/
> 
> Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only. 
> It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
> with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
> me.)
> 
> Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.
> 
> If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Mark Roberts

Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

>Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
>others might be interested. 
>
>---
>This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica Rumors: 
>https://pixii.fr. 
>
>Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
>WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
>Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 Mpixels. 
>Another information update is supposedly due soon.

Has anyone yet mentioned that Leica has since announced that they're
making essentially the same kind of camera?
https://petapixel.com/2018/10/24/leica-m10-d-a-minimalist-analog-body-with-wi-fi-instead-of-an-lcd/

Minimalist. No LCD. WiFi only. 
It's 24MP full-frame. (I can's see myself using a Leica rangefinder
with Leica lenses if not full frame - just doesn't "feel" right to
me.)

Of course, being Leica, the *price* isn't minimalist: 8 grand.

If not for the price I could quite see myself using one of these.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-25 Thread Boris Liberman

Yep, I have 3 of these GXR-M modules. They are extremely good and I use
them periodically. They don't disappoint.  In fact, at this time, I don't
see myself getting rid of them. They are worth nothing these days while in
fact, they are extremely capable for most of what I am shooting for my own
pleasure.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 7:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

> Thanks for your wonderfully upbeat response. =8^/
>
> Epson R-D1 cameras were a bit early on the curve, and Epson decided not to
> put any more development in when Cosina was in the process of closing down
> the body production it was based on. It was the only other digital
> rangefinder camera ever made, and is still sought after by some enthusiasts
> despite being 12 years out of date with respect to sensor technology.
>
> The Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit was the only other non-Leica camera
> made specifically with a sensor tailored for M-mount lenses .. you didn't
> adapt Leica lenses to it, that's what it was made for, in contrast to all
> the other EVF cameras on the market with the exception of Leica's own. The
> issue with it was that Ricoh made it and its system too complex, making it
> difficult to market, sell (due to the price), and maintain development for.
> It did a superb job with a very large range of M-mount lenses, certainly
> more than any of the other third party M-mount adaptations. Many Leica
> enthusiasts still have and use the GXR, and wish Ricoh would have developed
> a better EVF and higher resolution sensor for it. But it remains an EVF
> camera, and many still want an optical rangefinder.
>
> I figure if the PIXII makes it to production, whether APS-C or FF, it has
> a good shot at a reasonable niche audience if it performs well and is
> reliable. I doubt it's going to take the world by storm and become a new
> standard that everyone aspires to. But I see no reason not to be optimistic
> that it gets into production and satisfies a community of enthusiast users.
>
> Note that I won't be one of them. I have my CL and M-D Leicas already and
> don't need another M-mount camera. :-)
>
> That Pentax-L 43mm Limited remains interesting to me, yes, for both my M-D
> and CL bodies. It's just a bit hard to come by and a touch pricey but I
> might go for one, eventually.
>
> G
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-24 Thread Stanley Halpin

I am mildly interested in seeing how this develops. If the price is low enough 
when introduced, I might try it out. Have virtually no experience with 
rangefinders, but I do have 3-4 M-mount Leica lenses from my late 
father-in-law. I have tried pairing them with the Q-S1 but with a 5x “crop 
factor” it is hard to find a good niche for the lenses when used with that 
system.

stan

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
> others might be interested. 
> 
> ---
> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
> Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
> 
> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
> Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 Mpixels. 
> Another information update is supposedly due soon.
> 
> Could be a pretty neat camera if it pans out and gets produced. Kind of an 
> updated, modernized take on the Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit fitted—the 
> best non-Leica M-mount camera there's been so far. Of course, that was an EVF 
> camera which meant it was more versatile lens-wise but its lifespan was tied 
> to the quality of the EVF. This is an optical finder with a rangefinder, so 
> you're limited to Leica M-mount lenses for focusing.
> 
> One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. :-)
> 
> G
> —
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> 
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-23 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 23/10/18, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica
>Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 

Interesting!

Thanks for the headsup.

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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

That's kinda what I was thinking too. Seems a handy size... we'll see what 
comes of it. 

G

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Looks interesting. It might be a good camera for cycling tours, with a couple 
> of Voigtlander lenses.
> 
>> On 23 Oct 2018, at 15:02, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
>> others might be interested. 
>> 
>> ---
>> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
>> Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
>> 
>> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
>> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
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>> Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
>> 
>> Could be a pretty neat camera if it pans out and gets produced. Kind of an 
>> updated, modernized take on the Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit 
>> fitted—the best non-Leica M-mount camera there's been so far. Of course, 
>> that was an EVF camera which meant it was more versatile lens-wise but its 
>> lifespan was tied to the quality of the EVF. This is an optical finder with 
>> a rangefinder, so you're limited to Leica M-mount lenses for focusing.
>> 
>> One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. 
>> :-)
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-23 Thread Bob W-PDML

Looks interesting. It might be a good camera for cycling tours, with a couple 
of Voigtlander lenses.

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 15:02, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
> others might be interested. 
> 
> ---
> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
> Rumors: https://pixii.fr. 
> 
> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
> Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 Mpixels. 
> Another information update is supposedly due soon.
> 
> Could be a pretty neat camera if it pans out and gets produced. Kind of an 
> updated, modernized take on the Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit fitted—the 
> best non-Leica M-mount camera there's been so far. Of course, that was an EVF 
> camera which meant it was more versatile lens-wise but its lifespan was tied 
> to the quality of the EVF. This is an optical finder with a rangefinder, so 
> you're limited to Leica M-mount lenses for focusing.
> 
> One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. :-)
> 
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Thanks for your wonderfully upbeat response. =8^/

Epson R-D1 cameras were a bit early on the curve, and Epson decided not to put 
any more development in when Cosina was in the process of closing down the body 
production it was based on. It was the only other digital rangefinder camera 
ever made, and is still sought after by some enthusiasts despite being 12 years 
out of date with respect to sensor technology.

The Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit was the only other non-Leica camera made 
specifically with a sensor tailored for M-mount lenses .. you didn't adapt 
Leica lenses to it, that's what it was made for, in contrast to all the other 
EVF cameras on the market with the exception of Leica's own. The issue with it 
was that Ricoh made it and its system too complex, making it difficult to 
market, sell (due to the price), and maintain development for. It did a superb 
job with a very large range of M-mount lenses, certainly more than any of the 
other third party M-mount adaptations. Many Leica enthusiasts still have and 
use the GXR, and wish Ricoh would have developed a better EVF and higher 
resolution sensor for it. But it remains an EVF camera, and many still want an 
optical rangefinder. 

I figure if the PIXII makes it to production, whether APS-C or FF, it has a 
good shot at a reasonable niche audience if it performs well and is reliable. I 
doubt it's going to take the world by storm and become a new standard that 
everyone aspires to. But I see no reason not to be optimistic that it gets into 
production and satisfies a community of enthusiast users. 

Note that I won't be one of them. I have my CL and M-D Leicas already and don't 
need another M-mount camera. :-)

That Pentax-L 43mm Limited remains interesting to me, yes, for both my M-D and 
CL bodies. It's just a bit hard to come by and a touch pricey but I might go 
for one, eventually. 

G

On Oct 23, 2018, at 7:29 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

>> One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. 
>> :-)
> 
> So is a Leica pretty much any of them, or even a Epson RD1.
> 
> I have a prediction, it doesn't have the name Leica on it, and it doesn't 
> have a red dot, based on that I predict this camera will tank in the market, 
> because it will require a Leica sized price and really no one really likes a 
> range finder, (well I like rangefinders, but only in comparison to cameras 
> that have scale focusing), if they have another choice, unless it has the 
> name Leica on it, and there are lots of rangefinder like cameras with EVFs to 
> choose from these days.
> 
> I also predict this for the new Zenit M, because, the Zenit was an 
> inexpensive camera that actually cost more to make than it sold for, because 
> the Soviet Union really needed Hard western currency.  At $5000-$7000 it just 
> isn't worth that much for a Russian branded novelty.  If it costs like a 
> Leica, you might as well buy a Leica.
> 
> 
>> On 10/23/2018 10:01 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
>> others might be interested.
>> 
>> ---
>> This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica 
>> Rumors: https://pixii.fr.
>> 
>> Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, 
>> WiFi connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and 
>> Mpixel yet, but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 
>> Mpixels. Another information update is supposedly due soon.
>> 
>> Could be a pretty neat camera if it pans out and gets produced. Kind of an 
>> updated, modernized take on the Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit 
>> fitted—the best non-Leica M-mount camera there's been so far. Of course, 
>> that was an EVF camera which meant it was more versatile lens-wise but its 
>> lifespan was tied to the quality of the EVF. This is an optical finder with 
>> a rangefinder, so you're limited to Leica M-mount lenses for focusing.
>> 
>> One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. 
>> :-)
>> 
>> G
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Re: a new camera ...

2018-10-23 Thread P. J. Alling


One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. :-)


So is a Leica pretty much any of them, or even a Epson RD1.

I have a prediction, it doesn't have the name Leica on it, and it 
doesn't have a red dot, based on that I predict this camera will tank in 
the market, because it will require a Leica sized price and really no 
one really likes a range finder, (well I like rangefinders, but only in 
comparison to cameras that have scale focusing), if they have another 
choice, unless it has the name Leica on it, and there are lots of 
rangefinder like cameras with EVFs to choose from these days.


I also predict this for the new Zenit M, because, the Zenit was an 
inexpensive camera that actually cost more to make than it sold for, 
because the Soviet Union really needed Hard western currency.  At 
$5000-$7000 it just isn't worth that much for a Russian branded 
novelty.  If it costs like a Leica, you might as well buy a Leica.



On 10/23/2018 10:01 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
others might be interested.

---
This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica Rumors: 
https://pixii.fr.

Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, WiFi 
connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and Mpixel yet, 
but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 Mpixels. Another 
information update is supposedly due soon.

Could be a pretty neat camera if it pans out and gets produced. Kind of an 
updated, modernized take on the Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit fitted—the 
best non-Leica M-mount camera there's been so far. Of course, that was an EVF 
camera which meant it was more versatile lens-wise but its lifespan was tied to 
the quality of the EVF. This is an optical finder with a rangefinder, so you're 
limited to Leica M-mount lenses for focusing.

One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. :-)

G
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a new camera ...

2018-10-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Slightly off-topic for PDML, but I thought BobW, Cotty, and maybe a couple 
others might be interested. 

---
This is a new take on the "M-mount digital camera" that I saw on Leica Rumors: 
https://pixii.fr. 

Rangefinder, manual focus and exposure, no LCD, 256G built-in memory only, WiFi 
connect for data transfer, etc. They don't list a sensor format and Mpixel yet, 
but rumor has it that it's an APS-C format with 12 to 16 Mpixels. Another 
information update is supposedly due soon.

Could be a pretty neat camera if it pans out and gets produced. Kind of an 
updated, modernized take on the Ricoh GXR with M-mount camera unit fitted—the 
best non-Leica M-mount camera there's been so far. Of course, that was an EVF 
camera which meant it was more versatile lens-wise but its lifespan was tied to 
the quality of the EVF. This is an optical finder with a rangefinder, so you're 
limited to Leica M-mount lenses for focusing.

One of these with a Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Limited would be pretty darn neat. :-)

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-12 Thread Bill


On 5/11/2016 6:28 AM, Mark Stringer wrote:

Nice shots!


Thank you

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My charming wife and I go out for breakfast once on the weekend.
Saturday mornings, a small group of old car buffs meet for breakfast, and
they bring old cars.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/cars2/index.html

Shot with the K1 and the 31mm LTD.

I swear to god, if someone told me twenty years ago that digital would
eventually give this sort of quality, I would have laughed in his face.
The pictures are a bit large.
Note the inadvertent selfie.

Enjoy.

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RE: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-11 Thread Mark Stringer

Nice shots!

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My charming wife and I go out for breakfast once on the weekend. 
Saturday mornings, a small group of old car buffs meet for breakfast, and
they bring old cars.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/cars2/index.html

Shot with the K1 and the 31mm LTD.

I swear to god, if someone told me twenty years ago that digital would
eventually give this sort of quality, I would have laughed in his face.
The pictures are a bit large.
Note the inadvertent selfie.

Enjoy.

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-10 Thread Ken Waller

If it was original I sure wouldn't put on the wheels shoen !

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Subject: Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

On 5/9/2016 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:

On 5/9/2016 3:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

It appears to be a Jaguar XK 140.

Right you are. My clumsy fingers identified it as an XK 150

bill

Paul via phone

On May 9, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Gonz  wrote:

What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?

You can buy a "replica" of the XK 140, but I'm not sure it's available
as a kit. An original XK 140 should have wire wheels, but it could still 
be.

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-10 Thread John


On 5/9/2016 5:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

On second (or third) thought the black car is a 1954 Jaguar XK 120.
The 140 had the leaping cat on the hood. Almost certainly a genuine
Jag.

Paul via phone



I wonder about the mag wheels though? Shouldn't it have center knock-off
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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-10 Thread John


On 5/9/2016 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:

On 5/9/2016 3:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

It appears to be a Jaguar XK 140.


Right you are. My clumsy fingers identified it as an XK 150

bill


Paul via phone


On May 9, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Gonz  wrote:

What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?



You can buy a "replica" of the XK 140, but I'm not sure it's available
as a kit. An original XK 140 should have wire wheels, but it could still be.

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-09 Thread Bob W-PDML

I'm reliably informed there's an XK140 in this footage, but I've never noticed 
it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RfFRQ-StpwA

B


> On 9 May 2016, at 23:01, Eric Featherstone  
> wrote:
> 
> If you meant this one:
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/cars2/content/WRK10180_large.html
> it looks like a Jaguar XK120. The XK140 is very similar but I think
> had fewer bars in the grill and a chrome strip down the centreline of
> the bonnet.
> 
>> On 9 May 2016 at 22:45, Gonz  wrote:
>> What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?
>> 

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-09 Thread Ken Waller


All genuine Shelby Cobras have single side rollers behind the driver


That's true for the 427 cubic inch engine versions. 
http://tinyurl.com/jemnv97


I believe they were optional on some of the 289 cubic inch Cobras.



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Subject: Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.


Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have 
single side rollers behind the driver.

http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/

Paul

On May 9, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:



Is that Cobra a kit or real?


That is the real deal.


Oh man I wish you hadn't said that

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

On 5/9/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

On second (or third) thought the black car is a 1954 Jaguar XK 120. The 140 had
the leaping cat on the hood. Almost certainly a genuine Jag.

It's definitely the real deal. I expect it is a 120, though I have seen
140s that are missing the pussycat.

Paul via phone

On May 9, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Gonz wrote:

What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have single
side rollers behind the driver.
http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/

Paul

On May 9, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

Is that Cobra a kit or real?

That is the real deal.

Oh man I wish you hadn't said that

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On 5/9/2016 3:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

It appears to be a Jaguar XK 140.

Right you are. My clumsy fingers identified it as an XK 150

bill

Paul via phone

On May 9, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Gonz wrote:

What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?

Paul

On May 9, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

Is that Cobra a kit or real?

That is the real deal.

Oh man I wish you hadn't said that

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.


On 5/9/2016 3:45 PM, Gonz wrote:

What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?


That is a mid 50s Jaguar XK 150, I believe.

bill



On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have single 
side rollers behind the driver.
http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/

Paul

On May 9, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:



Is that Cobra a kit or real?


That is the real deal.


Oh man I wish you hadn't said that

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On 5/9/2016 11:51 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have single 
side rollers behind the driver.


Are you sure about that?

http://silodrome.com/1965-shelby-cobra-289/
http://silodrome.com/shelby-cobra-289/

I'll bring your concerns to the owner next Sunday.

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On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:



Is that Cobra a kit or real?


That is the real deal.


Oh man I wish you hadn't said that

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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-09 Thread Eric Featherstone

If you meant this one:
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/cars2/content/WRK10180_large.html
it looks like a Jaguar XK120. The XK140 is very similar but I think
had fewer bars in the grill and a chrome strip down the centreline of
the bonnet.

On 9 May 2016 at 22:45, Gonz  wrote:
> What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?
>
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have 
>> single side rollers behind the driver.
>> http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/
>>
>> Paul
>>> On May 9, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>
> Is that Cobra a kit or real?

 That is the real deal.
>>>
>>> Oh man I wish you hadn't said that
>>>
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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

On second (or third) thought the black car is a 1954 Jaguar XK 120. The 140 had 
the leaping cat on the hood. Almost certainly a genuine Jag.

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> On May 9, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Gonz  wrote:
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>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have 
>> single side rollers behind the driver.
>> http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/
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> Is that Cobra a kit or real?
 
 That is the real deal.
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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

Not a replica. And the Shelby isn't a kit car either. It's a factory produced 
replica,

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> On May 9, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?
> 
> 
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have 
>> single side rollers behind the driver.
>> http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/
>> 
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>>> On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
> 
> Is that Cobra a kit or real?
 
 That is the real deal.
>>> 
>>> Oh man I wish you hadn't said that
>>> 
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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

It appears to be a Jaguar XK 140.

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> On May 9, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?
> 
> 
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have 
>> single side rollers behind the driver.
>> http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/
>> 
>> Paul
>>> On May 9, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
> 
> Is that Cobra a kit or real?
 
 That is the real deal.
>>> 
>>> Oh man I wish you hadn't said that
>>> 
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Re: GESO: Old cars with a new camera.

2016-05-09 Thread Gonz

What's that black car, its a beauty. Kit also?


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Relax. It’s a replica, albeit a good one. All genuine Shelby Cobras have 
> single side rollers behind the driver.
> http://www.carbuildindex.com/46827/the-snakemeisters-own-when-youre-carroll-shelby-you-can-have-just-about-any-kind-of-cobra-you-want-by-wallace-wyss/
>
> Paul
>> On May 9, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>
>> On 8/5/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>

 Is that Cobra a kit or real?
>>>
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