Re: Pentax 50mm News
On Jan 27, 2005, at 4:47 PM, frank theriault wrote: Let's start by saying it together:: Canon Okay, very good. Now again: Canon. Okay, this time on your own: Can-off... Can't-on... - Dave (still can't quite do it) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
The Pz-1/PZ-1p had both options. That's a progress! Yes that's good, I could live with that. John -- Original Message --- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:02:51 +0100 Subject: RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) The Pz-1/PZ-1p had both options. That's a progress! As far as flash photography goes, the *ist D has too. Someday, someone might make a camera, without the aperture simulator, but with the e-wheel moved from the body to the lens :-)) Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2005 00:10 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message ---
Re: Pentax 50mm News
The answer is: 2008/9 I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? (with apologies to the Great Karnac) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 24/1/05, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed: P.P.S.: the OptioWP seemed like a very nice camera, but it wasn't a working model, so I couldn't take any sample shots with it. Yeah but did you run some water over it? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
Thanks Peter, basically I thought as much. This doesn't bode well for users of older Pentax models. It's nice to see some 3rd party manufacturers such as Tamron with the 28-75 XR Di retaining aperture control on the lens. John John Whittingham Technician -- Original Message --- From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:38:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) They don't really, they meter wide open, and stop down, all the way, for exposure. I suppose that on an LX you'd get the proper exposure, in automatic mode, but you'd have not a clue what your actual shutter speed would be until the shutter closed. John Whittingham wrote: Maybe we should let Pentax know and they can resolve the issue, soon :) Something I've not got round to asking because I don't own a body aperture control camera or a lens without an aperture ring: How do the new lenses perform on cameras without aperture control on the body? Say a Pentax LX, MX, KX. John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:09:51 +1000 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.--P.J. O'Rourke --- End of Original Message ---
Re: Pentax 50mm News
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Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: On 26 Jan 2005 at 14:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: My right hand is much more prehensile than my left hand. I use the latter for a support, and occasionally for manual focusing. I like my right hand in control of all exposure (ahem). My hand rests instinctively under the lens with fingers ready to adjust aperture and focus. I did laugh when I saw the example image of how to hold a camera in one of the late film body manuals, both hands gripping the body like a steering wheel, makes you wonder if the designers of the gadgets are actually photographers. Ah, I can tell you about that. I initially followed the advise on the MZ-50 manual to use the left to support (and handle) the lens. I ended up with invariably tilted horizons. I asked a friend, who suggested that I not flick the shutter until I put the left hand on the body. Problem mostly solved for landscape orientation (portrait I still haven't mastered). Kostas
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
No, that would be holding it out in the air while using the rear LCD screen as a viewfinder. ;-) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/26/2005 5:58:36 PM ... I did laugh when I saw the example image of how to hold a camera in one of the late film body manuals, both hands gripping the body like a steering wheel, makes you wonder if the designers of the gadgets are actually photographers. lol ... I know what you mean. It's the most unstable looking way to hold a camera I can think of.
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
On 27 Jan 2005 at 13:16, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Ah, I can tell you about that. I initially followed the advise on the MZ-50 manual to use the left to support (and handle) the lens. I ended up with invariably tilted horizons. I asked a friend, who suggested that I not flick the shutter until I put the left hand on the body. Problem mostly solved for landscape orientation (portrait I still haven't mastered). So now your images have straight horizons with shake induced blur? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Original message Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:22:35 +1000 From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] We don't have cold here (well not like where you are), we have heat, plenty of it, two hands holding the camera stops it from slipping out of sweaty hands :-) Poor you :-P Actually the other day I was out shooting birds on the lake in 20 degrees F weather (not Canadian cold, but pretty cold for the Mid-Atlantic) with a biting wind and found that I could operate the D in full manual mode (including manual focus) with heavy leather gloves. In contrast, I had issues using an LX or MX with gloves under similar circumstances. The only problem with with any camera and gloves is changing the media, film or digital; the gloves have to come off. Christian
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
Pentax has announced that the D FA full frame lenses will have an aperture ring. Weather or not they have an aperture simulator coupling is yet to be seen. The electronics in the lens would support using the aperture ring on a the lens if the body supported it IIRC. John Whittingham wrote: Thanks Peter, basically I thought as much. This doesn't bode well for users of older Pentax models. It's nice to see some 3rd party manufacturers such as Tamron with the 28-75 XR Di retaining aperture control on the lens. John John Whittingham Technician -- Original Message --- From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:38:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) They don't really, they meter wide open, and stop down, all the way, for exposure. I suppose that on an LX you'd get the proper exposure, in automatic mode, but you'd have not a clue what your actual shutter speed would be until the shutter closed. John Whittingham wrote: Maybe we should let Pentax know and they can resolve the issue, soon :) Something I've not got round to asking because I don't own a body aperture control camera or a lens without an aperture ring: How do the new lenses perform on cameras without aperture control on the body? Say a Pentax LX, MX, KX. John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:09:51 +1000 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: So now your images have straight horizons with shake induced blur? The latter parameter never changed. Kostas
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
On 27/1/05, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh, just thought of one more. Aperture rings let you set hyperfocus distance (not that I do it that much) Very good point! Doing landscapes on the 1D and K15mm I use the aperture ring constantly, albeit on a tripod. It is nice to use. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
The aperture ring on lenses give me: A basic, understandable perception of what I'm actually doing, when I turn it. The option to use many brands of lenses on one camera body. I'm not restricted to use the body brand to utilize full functionlity. The lens CAN be operated by the lens, not exclusively from the body. The aperture setting stays where I want it, when that's what I want. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2005 08:39 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) They don't really, they meter wide open, and stop down, all the way, for exposure. I suppose that on an LX you'd get the proper exposure, in automatic mode, but you'd have not a clue what your actual shutter speed would be until the shutter closed. John Whittingham wrote: Maybe we should let Pentax know and they can resolve the issue, soon :) Something I've not got round to asking because I don't own a body aperture control camera or a lens without an aperture ring: How do the new lenses perform on cameras without aperture control on the body? Say a Pentax LX, MX, KX. John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:09:51 +1000 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
Pentax has announced that the D FA full frame lenses will have an aperture ring. Weather or not they have an aperture simulator coupling is yet to be seen. The electronics in the lens would support using the aperture ring on a the lens if the body supported it IIRC. Thats very reasuring to know, thanks. John -- Original Message --- From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:57:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) Pentax has announced that the D FA full frame lenses will have an aperture ring. Weather or not they have an aperture simulator coupling is yet to be seen. The electronics in the lens would support using the aperture ring on a the lens if the body supported it IIRC. John Whittingham wrote: Thanks Peter, basically I thought as much. This doesn't bode well for users of older Pentax models. It's nice to see some 3rd party manufacturers such as Tamron with the 28-75 XR Di retaining aperture control on the lens. John John Whittingham Technician -- Original Message --- From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:38:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) They don't really, they meter wide open, and stop down, all the way, for exposure. I suppose that on an LX you'd get the proper exposure, in automatic mode, but you'd have not a clue what your actual shutter speed would be until the shutter closed. John Whittingham wrote: Maybe we should let Pentax know and they can resolve the issue, soon :) Something I've not got round to asking because I don't own a body aperture control camera or a lens without an aperture ring: How do the new lenses perform on cameras without aperture control on the body? Say a Pentax LX, MX, KX. John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:09:51 +1000 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.--P.J. O'Rourke --- End of Original Message ---
RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
Pentax is basically a glass manufacturer. That's nice if you want their latest glass. Pentax was rarely the leading camera body manufacturer. But some of their lenses were, from time to time, truely great. So, why is Pentax currently loosing market shares (I guess)??. Pentax is trying to make us buy more Pentax glass by making other brands as well as old Pentax lenses obsolete for their new canmera bodies. This is a bad policy, because: 1) We buy new Pentax bodies BECAUSE we can get old lenses cheap - or we own some already. 2) If we can't get new bodies for our old glass, we might as well look elsewhere for the next camera body. 3) If I could afford 15-25 new (D) lenses, I wouln't (couldn't actually) buy from Pentax, anyway. 4) If I could afford 15-25 new lenses, I'd also go for a more pro-spec'ed body from Kodak, Nikon or Canon. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: John Whittingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2005 09:40 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) The Pz-1/PZ-1p had both options. That's a progress! Yes that's good, I could live with that. John -- Original Message --- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:02:51 +0100 Subject: RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) The Pz-1/PZ-1p had both options. That's a progress! As far as flash photography goes, the *ist D has too. Someday, someone might make a camera, without the aperture simulator, but with the e-wheel moved from the body to the lens :-)) Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2005 00:10 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message ---
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
On 27 Jan 2005 at 16:45, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: So now your images have straight horizons with shake induced blur? The latter parameter never changed. So do they still contain shake induced blur? :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:45:10 + (GMT), Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: So now your images have straight horizons with shake induced blur? The latter parameter never changed. Kostas See sig, below... g -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:13:30 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/1/05, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh, just thought of one more. Aperture rings let you set hyperfocus distance (not that I do it that much) Very good point! Doing landscapes on the 1D and K15mm I use the aperture ring constantly, albeit on a tripod. It is nice to use. Well, not having any lenses without an aperture ring, I never considered the hyper-focus issue. That's a huge issue with me - I use it all the time, especially on the street! One of my zooms (the Viv S1 f3.8 24-48mm, to be exact) has no dof scale next to the ring. I try to estimate, but sometimes not very successfully, and find that I have to actually focus with that lens, where I don't with those with a dof scale that I can use for hyperfocus. Thanks for answering, Cotty, 'cause I missed Darby's post (or it missed me). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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That's a huge issue with me - I use it all the time, especially on the street! One of my zooms (the Viv S1 f3.8 24-48mm, to be exact) has no dof scale next to the ring. I try to estimate, but sometimes not very successfully, and find that I have to actually focus with that lens, where I don't with those with a dof scale that I can use for hyperfocus. I can only assume you use the dof focus scale to ensure you are *not* in focus? :) Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:44:17 +1030, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only assume you use the dof focus scale to ensure you are *not* in focus? :) sigh There's one in every crowd... LOL Actually, your comment made me laugh out loud (just as I said above, but it was a literal LOL, not a figurative one). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:30:56 +1300, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can-off... Can't-on... Don't get discouraged, Dave. You're doing very well. Just keep at it, and soon, you won't believe you ever had this affliction. cheers, f***k (my, that looks naughty, doesn't it? g) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Only to those who can't spell the w**d. frank theriault wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:30:56 +1300, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can-off... Can't-on... Don't get discouraged, Dave. You're doing very well. Just keep at it, and soon, you won't believe you ever had this affliction. cheers, f***k (my, that looks naughty, doesn't it? g) -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:13:30 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/1/05, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh, just thought of one more. Aperture rings let you set hyperfocus distance (not that I do it that much) Well, not having any lenses without an aperture ring, I never considered the hyper-focus issue. That's a huge issue with me - I use it all the time, especially on the street! One of my zooms (the Viv S1 f3.8 24-48mm, to be exact) has no dof scale next to the ring. Well that makes an interesting point, doesn't it: Having an aperture ring is no guarantee of having the necessary DOF markings. In fact, *not* having an aperture ring is no reason why a lens couldn't have these markings. All you need are the markings around the focusing mark, not the aperture ring itself. In fact, with a DSLR, they should be able to show DOF on the rear panel LCD (with appropriate firmware), using the aperture and focus distance information transmitted from the lens (and this would be particularly useful with zooms). Minolta did this with a FILM camera fer cryin' out loud! ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:13:30 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/1/05, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh, just thought of one more. Aperture rings let you set hyperfocus distance (not that I do it that much) Well, not having any lenses without an aperture ring, I never considered the hyper-focus issue. That's a huge issue with me - I use it all the time, especially on the street! One of my zooms (the Viv S1 f3.8 24-48mm, to be exact) has no dof scale next to the ring. Well that makes an interesting point, doesn't it: Having an aperture ring is no guarantee of having the necessary DOF markings. In fact, *not* having an aperture ring is no reason why a lens couldn't have these markings. All you need are the markings around the focusing mark, not the aperture ring itself. In fact, with a DSLR, they should be able to show DOF on the rear panel LCD (with appropriate firmware), using the aperture and focus distance information transmitted from the lens (and this would be particularly useful with zooms). Minolta did this with a FILM camera fer cryin' out loud! ;-) Well that might be true, but as more features get added to the camera the cost begins to rise. Someone pointed this out about the low cost of the aperture simulator. They didn't want to pay for something they saw as unnecessary. The question is how much extra are you willing to pay for this information, and when would it be displayed. If it's marked on the lens it's displayed all the time. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: In fact, with a DSLR, they should be able to show DOF on the rear panel LCD (with appropriate firmware), using the aperture and focus distance information transmitted from the lens (and this would be particularly useful with zooms). Minolta did this with a FILM camera fer cryin' out loud! ;-) Well that might be true, but as more features get added to the camera the cost begins to rise. Someone pointed this out about the low cost of the aperture simulator. They didn't want to pay for something they saw as unnecessary. The question is how much extra are you willing to pay for this information, and when would it be displayed. If it's marked on the lens it's displayed all the time. Valid point. Speaking strictly for myself, I'd certainly be willing to pay extra for this feature. Much more than I would for the aperture simulator. And *this* gives me another brilliant (I've had a pint or two so the modesty is really kicking in now!) idea: Since this feature would be firmware based, why not make it an *option* for the camera? Those who want it can pay for it and those who don't can save a few dollars... and upgrade later if they decide to. If anyone from Pentax is reading this: It would be very convenient to have the DOF preview activate this display :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
When I make landscape photography HFD is often an issue. It's nice to know how much foreground gets sharp! I sometimes bring a small chart with HFD info for the lenses i use. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 28. januar 2005 02:38 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:13:30 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/1/05, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh, just thought of one more. Aperture rings let you set hyperfocus distance (not that I do it that much) Well, not having any lenses without an aperture ring, I never considered the hyper-focus issue. That's a huge issue with me - I use it all the time, especially on the street! One of my zooms (the Viv S1 f3.8 24-48mm, to be exact) has no dof scale next to the ring. Well that makes an interesting point, doesn't it: Having an aperture ring is no guarantee of having the necessary DOF markings. In fact, *not* having an aperture ring is no reason why a lens couldn't have these markings. All you need are the markings around the focusing mark, not the aperture ring itself. In fact, with a DSLR, they should be able to show DOF on the rear panel LCD (with appropriate firmware), using the aperture and focus distance information transmitted from the lens (and this would be particularly useful with zooms). Minolta did this with a FILM camera fer cryin' out loud! ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax 50mm News
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:12 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. 5.2 kilo-giga-billion pixels? Where can I buy one? g - Dave (waiting for a 24x70mm sensor with a Pentax 67 mount in front of it) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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On 25 Jan 2005 at 23:56, John Celio wrote: I've gotten a lot of stubborn, crotchety old photographers (usually men) in my shop who dislike body-controlled aperture when they come in, but love it once they've had a chance to really try it out in the real world. Something tells me you're the rare type who just won't be happy with anything new, even if it's actually better. I'd suggest giving this new stuff a try, but somehow I doubt you'll take it into consideration. I've had my *ist D for over a year and shot over 10k images with it and I still don't like the body based aperture control. Granted I use it but I can't see one reason that it's so much improved over lens ring based controls that I'd love it? How is it going forward for the user? How can it improve my photography (bearing in mind too that the other two current film bodies that I use regularly only offer aperture control on the lens)? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Something tells me you're the rare type who just won't be happy with anything new, even if it's actually better. I'd suggest giving this new stuff a try, but somehow I doubt you'll take it into consideration. I doubt that I'd last long in my present job if I didn't give new stuff a try but I reject stuff that just doesn't improve the job at hand. I get to use all types of cameras both film and digital - Canon, Minolta, Nikon, Fuji etc. sadly not many Pentax, I still prefer the aperure control on the lens. I'm not saying that body aperture control is wrong I'm just stating a preference. John Whittingham Technician -- Original Message --- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:56:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. It may be cost-cutting, but it makes sense. Aperture control on the camera body is faster and just as easy as turning the dial on a lens. Did you notice even Nikon is ditching aperture rings on most of their lenses? I've gotten a lot of stubborn, crotchety old photographers (usually men) in my shop who dislike body-controlled aperture when they come in, but love it once they've had a chance to really try it out in the real world. Something tells me you're the rare type who just won't be happy with anything new, even if it's actually better. I'd suggest giving this new stuff a try, but somehow I doubt you'll take it into consideration. John Celio ...would rather move forward than become a dinosaur... -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.newpixel.net AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. --- End of Original Message ---
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Har, they'll try to wear you down. Next you'll be told that the new zooms perform as well as primes (unfortunately even some of the new digital primes aren't that spectacular in performance) Yeah it's all a little sad really, I expect a compromise in a zoom lens but there's really no excuse with a prime. Having to use the shorter focal length causes some real problems. and then you'll be told that loosing the aperture ring control made the camera affordable to produce and that it's progress and that you'll get used to it. Double har. Sorry if I sound a little cynical :-) Progress! I'd rather not get used to it, maybe I'd just accept it if I'd never used the aperture control on the lens. I'm all for development but to me this is a backward step. John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:57:54 +1000 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News On 25 Jan 2005 at 14:37, John Whittingham wrote: I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36mm x 24mm digital body. I would need more then one W/A lens or a very good zoom to replace 24mm, 28mm and 35mm lenses not to mention 17mm rectilinear and 16mm Fisheye that I also use from time to time. Har, they'll try to wear you down. Next you'll be told that the new zooms perform as well as primes (unfortunately even some of the new digital primes aren't that spectacular in performance) and then you'll be told that loosing the aperture ring control made the camera affordable to produce and that it's progress and that you'll get used to it. Double har. Sorry if I sound a little cynical :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message ---
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Rob Studdert wrote on 26.01.05 10:59: I've had my *ist D for over a year and shot over 10k images with it and I still don't like the body based aperture control. Granted I use it but I can't see one reason that it's so much improved over lens ring based controls that I'd love it? How is it going forward for the user? How can it improve my photography (bearing in mind too that the other two current film bodies that I use regularly only offer aperture control on the lens)? I think Rob it's a just matter of getting used to the thing. I learned to used it effectively in my D70 quite fast. And honestly, I don't think that using aperture ring on long zooms like 70-200/2.8 or lenses with tripod mount could be convenient until you've got three hands ;-) And of course you've got a choice of EV step with in-body aperture control. However I still like very much using aperture ring with short lenses mounted on MZ-S. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
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Funny. I've recently bought an old MX on Ebay, and I find it very difficult to change shutter speeds while metering through the viewfinder. I really miss the little wheels for shutter and aperture on the Z1-P and the *ist D. People who claim the old ways are best usually haven't given the new ways a proper chance. John On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:33:23 +, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something tells me you're the rare type who just won't be happy with anything new, even if it's actually better. I'd suggest giving this new stuff a try, but somehow I doubt you'll take it into consideration. I doubt that I'd last long in my present job if I didn't give new stuff a try but I reject stuff that just doesn't improve the job at hand. I get to use all types of cameras both film and digital - Canon, Minolta, Nikon, Fuji etc. sadly not many Pentax, I still prefer the aperure control on the lens. I'm not saying that body aperture control is wrong I'm just stating a preference. John Whittingham Technician -- Original Message --- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:56:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. It may be cost-cutting, but it makes sense. Aperture control on the camera body is faster and just as easy as turning the dial on a lens. Did you notice even Nikon is ditching aperture rings on most of their lenses? I've gotten a lot of stubborn, crotchety old photographers (usually men) in my shop who dislike body-controlled aperture when they come in, but love it once they've had a chance to really try it out in the real world. Something tells me you're the rare type who just won't be happy with anything new, even if it's actually better. I'd suggest giving this new stuff a try, but somehow I doubt you'll take it into consideration. John Celio ...would rather move forward than become a dinosaur... -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.newpixel.net AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. --- End of Original Message --- -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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On 26 Jan 2005 at 11:58, John Forbes wrote: Funny. I've recently bought an old MX on Ebay, and I find it very difficult to change shutter speeds while metering through the viewfinder. I really miss the little wheels for shutter and aperture on the Z1-P and the *ist D. People who claim the old ways are best usually haven't given the new ways a proper chance. Bollocks. If primarily shooting aperture priority or manual with a pre-set shutter speed and manual focus an aperture ring around the lens works exceedingly well. I'm now left eye'd so my thumb is always fighting for space with my nose when using the *ist D in aperture priority, and then I still get confused over which way to turn the knob in the heat of the moment. The ring movement was almost a reflex action in me, the farty little wheel on the back I just tolerate. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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I can appreciate that in your case the old way was better. But for the right-eyed majority, the little wheels are markedly superior once you get used to them, IMO of course. John On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:32:43 +1000, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Jan 2005 at 11:58, John Forbes wrote: Funny. I've recently bought an old MX on Ebay, and I find it very difficult to change shutter speeds while metering through the viewfinder. I really miss the little wheels for shutter and aperture on the Z1-P and the *ist D. People who claim the old ways are best usually haven't given the new ways a proper chance. Bollocks. If primarily shooting aperture priority or manual with a pre-set shutter speed and manual focus an aperture ring around the lens works exceedingly well. I'm now left eye'd so my thumb is always fighting for space with my nose when using the *ist D in aperture priority, and then I still get confused over which way to turn the knob in the heat of the moment. The ring movement was almost a reflex action in me, the farty little wheel on the back I just tolerate. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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On 26 Jan 2005 at 13:01, John Forbes wrote: I can appreciate that in your case the old way was better. But for the right-eyed majority, the little wheels are markedly superior once you get used to them, IMO of course. Sorry if I came across a little gruff but I'm a little over being told what's good for me, when I can plainly see what is and what's not. It's a little like Tiptronic gears to me, adequate but not the same as having a clutch and H pattern stick in hand. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Just a wee bit gruff! :-) But I think I was just a wee bit dogmatic, so we're square. John On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:30:33 +1000, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Jan 2005 at 13:01, John Forbes wrote: I can appreciate that in your case the old way was better. But for the right-eyed majority, the little wheels are markedly superior once you get used to them, IMO of course. Sorry if I came across a little gruff but I'm a little over being told what's good for me, when I can plainly see what is and what's not. It's a little like Tiptronic gears to me, adequate but not the same as having a clutch and H pattern stick in hand. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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Original message Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:30:33 +1000 From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a little like Tiptronic gears to me, adequate but not the same as having a clutch and H pattern stick in hand. You have to try Ferrari/Maserati F-1 style paddle shifters... :-) Christian
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--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a little like Tiptronic gears to me, adequate but not the same as having a clutch and H pattern stick in hand. heheh... Yeah, the Tiptronic is faster shifting and doesn't interrupt power flow. (Hey, I drive a Land Rover Freelander with tiptronic and an Alfa Spider with a traditional 5 speed ... they're both wonderful in their proper use. ;-) Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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The ring movement was almost a reflex action in me, Absolutely, it's instinctive. While I'm on the subject of niggles two of my pet hates are: 1. Lenses whos focusing ring turns in the opposite direction to a genuine Pentax lens. (Congrats to Sigma on the Syncho II lenses) 2. One touch zoom lenses that 'zoom out' when you pull the slide towards you instead of 'zooming in'. (Spent a lot of time at M/cycle races!) John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:32:43 +1000 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News On 26 Jan 2005 at 11:58, John Forbes wrote: Funny. I've recently bought an old MX on Ebay, and I find it very difficult to change shutter speeds while metering through the viewfinder. I really miss the little wheels for shutter and aperture on the Z1-P and the *ist D. People who claim the old ways are best usually haven't given the new ways a proper chance. Bollocks. If primarily shooting aperture priority or manual with a pre-set shutter speed and manual focus an aperture ring around the lens works exceedingly well. I'm now left eye'd so my thumb is always fighting for space with my nose when using the *ist D in aperture priority, and then I still get confused over which way to turn the knob in the heat of the moment. The ring movement was almost a reflex action in me, the farty little wheel on the back I just tolerate. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message ---
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The ring movement was almost a reflex action in me, I had to learn how to use an aperture ring control on the lens. I learned photography with a Rolleliflex MX, where you control the shutter speeds and lens aperture with two convenient thumbwheels on the body. Got into the habit of it with my old film SLRs. Now that I'm controlling things from the body, I'm just as comfortable and I don't have to move my hands around on the camera as much. 1. Lenses whos focusing ring turns in the opposite direction to a genuine Pentax lens. (Congrats to Sigma on the Syncho II lenses) LOL ... a little Pentax centric, aren't we? I've had Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Contax, Olympus, Leica, and now Pentax in this size, small format interchangeable lens system cameras. They all seem to do it a different way, but they are usually consistent within the manufacturers' lens line. Doesn't make much difference, you learn what you need to do for a given camera pretty fast. 2. One touch zoom lenses that 'zoom out' when you pull the slide towards you instead of 'zooming in'. (Spent a lot of time at M/cycle races!) Zooms are just clumsy in general. Trombone style one touch controls slip and are hard to be precise with. Two touch controls work more precisely but they're usually slow and annoying to me. Just give me a couple of prime lenses... YMMV Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
1. You can feel how many stops you are changing by how much you twist the ring. Body control dial means you need to either watch the display or count the clicks. I can also feel where the aperture is by using my thumb to feel for the A-lock button. 2. The right hand is busy enough (ahem). Distributing the work of aperture control (and focusing) to the left hand is fairer. 3. It's faster. One twist on the aperture ring goes from wide to fully stopped down. It takes 4 sweeps of the e-dial on my istDS to do the same. 4. The aperture ring stays put. The body dial can easily get bumped (especially, for me, the Tv dial on the PZ1). 5. You can see where the aperture is set before you turn on the camera (for those HCB moments) D
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Derby Chang wrote: 1. You can feel how many stops you are changing by how much you twist the ring. Body control dial means you need to either watch the display or count the clicks. I can also feel where the aperture is by using my thumb to feel for the A-lock button. 2. The right hand is busy enough (ahem). Distributing the work of aperture control (and focusing) to the left hand is fairer. 3. It's faster. One twist on the aperture ring goes from wide to fully stopped down. It takes 4 sweeps of the e-dial on my istDS to do the same. 4. The aperture ring stays put. The body dial can easily get bumped (especially, for me, the Tv dial on the PZ1). 5. You can see where the aperture is set before you turn on the camera (for those HCB moments) D Oh, just thought of one more. Aperture rings let you set hyperfocus distance (not that I do it that much) D
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
Now that's what I'd call progress :) John -- Original Message --- From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:58:26 +1100 Subject: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) 1. You can feel how many stops you are changing by how much you twist the ring. Body control dial means you need to either watch the display or count the clicks. I can also feel where the aperture is by using my thumb to feel for the A-lock button. 2. The right hand is busy enough (ahem). Distributing the work of aperture control (and focusing) to the left hand is fairer. 3. It's faster. One twist on the aperture ring goes from wide to fully stopped down. It takes 4 sweeps of the e-dial on my istDS to do the same. 4. The aperture ring stays put. The body dial can easily get bumped (especially, for me, the Tv dial on the PZ1). 5. You can see where the aperture is set before you turn on the camera (for those HCB moments) D --- End of Original Message ---
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On 26 Jan 2005 at 14:16, John Forbes wrote: Just a wee bit gruff! :-) But I think I was just a wee bit dogmatic, so we're square. No problems, I just spent Australia Day overhauling a friends home security after a nasty burglary the day before. Police advice to the victim get a dog, wholly inappropriate advice in this case. Grrr. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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This kind of point-counter point can be fun... From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. You can feel how many stops you are changing by how much you twist the ring. Body control dial means you need to either watch the display or count the clicks. I can also feel where the aperture is by using my thumb to feel for the A-lock button. I always count the clicks with a lens ring, or have to turn the camera to look at the dial. 2. The right hand is busy enough. Distributing the work of aperture control (and focusing) to the left hand is fairer. My right hand is much more prehensile than my left hand. I use the latter for a support, and occasionally for manual focusing. I like my right hand in control of all exposure (ahem). 3. It's faster. One twist on the aperture ring goes from wide to fully stopped down. It takes 4 sweeps of the e-dial on my istDS to do the same. Perhaps. I prefer the precision, can see the changes in the viewfinder without having to look away. 4. The aperture ring stays put. The body dial can easily get bumped (especially, for me, the Tv dial on the PZ1). I've never bumped the body wheel on the Canon 10D or *istDS, but I have bumped the aperture ring by turning it accidentally when I meant to grab the focus ring on cameras so equipped. 5. You can see where the aperture is set before you turn on the camera (for those HCB moments) I never shut my camera off when I'm out taking pictures. One touch on the shutter button and the aperture/shutter speed are immediately visible before bringing the camera to my eye. I often set the exposure that way, before looking at the subject, just like I used to do with a Rollei 35S or Rolleiflex TLR. The camera is ready by the time it's at my eye. Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
Maybe we should let Pentax know and they can resolve the issue, soon :) Something I've not got round to asking because I don't own a body aperture control camera or a lens without an aperture ring: How do the new lenses perform on cameras without aperture control on the body? Say a Pentax LX, MX, KX. John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:09:51 +1000 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message ---
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On 26 Jan 2005 at 14:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: This kind of point-counter point can be fun... Sure can :-) I always count the clicks with a lens ring, or have to turn the camera to look at the dial. While I'm usually watching my shutter speed in the finder whilst on-the-ring. My right hand is much more prehensile than my left hand. I use the latter for a support, and occasionally for manual focusing. I like my right hand in control of all exposure (ahem). My hand rests instinctively under the lens with fingers ready to adjust aperture and focus. I did laugh when I saw the example image of how to hold a camera in one of the late film body manuals, both hands gripping the body like a steering wheel, makes you wonder if the designers of the gadgets are actually photographers. I've never bumped the body wheel on the Canon 10D or *istDS, but I have bumped the aperture ring by turning it accidentally when I meant to grab the focus ring on cameras so equipped. I'm constantly bumping the aperture dial on the *ist D, I often have the camera over my shoulder whilst I'm mobile and the dial rubs on my jeans. Never had this problem with film cameras that used plain old aperture ring control over the years. I never shut my camera off when I'm out taking pictures. One touch on the shutter button and the aperture/shutter speed are immediately visible before bringing the camera to my eye. Me too, always have my DSLR on whilst on the move. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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... I did laugh when I saw the example image of how to hold a camera in one of the late film body manuals, both hands gripping the body like a steering wheel, makes you wonder if the designers of the gadgets are actually photographers. lol ... I know what you mean. It's the most unstable looking way to hold a camera I can think of. I'm constantly bumping the aperture dial on the *ist D, I often have the camera over my shoulder whilst I'm mobile and the dial rubs on my jeans. Never had this problem with film cameras that used plain old aperture ring control over the years. Ah, now there's another difference in our habits. My camera is either in my hand, with a securing hand strap, or in a bag slung over my shoulder. I once had the misfortune of smacking a Nikon FM which was slung on a strap over my shoulder into a railroad tie (crushed the top cover and put a crack in the focusing screen, but didn't throw anything out of registration... I continued to take pictures with it for another decade before having it refurbished. Tough little bugger!) and have never carried a camera that way since. In my hand with a tether or in a bag, that's it. :-) Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
My preference is also for the aperture ring on the lens. With the LX, I can even see what it is from the viewfinder. --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of point-counter point can be fun... From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. You can feel how many stops you are changing by how much you twist the ring. Body control dial means you need to either watch the display or count the clicks. I can also feel where the aperture is by using my thumb to feel for the A-lock button. I always count the clicks with a lens ring, or have to turn the camera to look at the dial. 2. The right hand is busy enough. Distributing the work of aperture control (and focusing) to the left hand is fairer. My right hand is much more prehensile than my left hand. I use the latter for a support, and occasionally for manual focusing. I like my right hand in control of all exposure (ahem). 3. It's faster. One twist on the aperture ring goes from wide to fully stopped down. It takes 4 sweeps of the e-dial on my istDS to do the same. Perhaps. I prefer the precision, can see the changes in the viewfinder without having to look away. 4. The aperture ring stays put. The body dial can easily get bumped (especially, for me, the Tv dial on the PZ1). I've never bumped the body wheel on the Canon 10D or *istDS, but I have bumped the aperture ring by turning it accidentally when I meant to grab the focus ring on cameras so equipped. 5. You can see where the aperture is set before you turn on the camera (for those HCB moments) I never shut my camera off when I'm out taking pictures. One touch on the shutter button and the aperture/shutter speed are immediately visible before bringing the camera to my eye. I often set the exposure that way, before looking at the subject, just like I used to do with a Rollei 35S or Rolleiflex TLR. The camera is ready by the time it's at my eye. Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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In a message dated 1/26/2005 11:18:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the farty little wheel on the back I just tolerate. Rob Studdert = Ditto for the C 300D I am using. Little wheel sets shutter speed or aperture depending on what else you trip on the camera or what picture mode it is in. I admit, it's better than the Elan was, but still, I am always setting the aperture when I what the shutter speed and vice-a-versa. I suppose one of these days it will come more naturally to me. But when you had to set it on the lens it was much harder to get it all confoosed. Sheesh, I sound like a photography old fart and I have only been doing photography off and on (more off) for three years. Hmmm, I wonder when one qualifies for old fartiness? ;-) Marnie aka Doe
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i prefer everything on the body like the *istD has because i can run all critical functions one handed. in cold weather with gloves on, it matters a lot. the rest of the time, i don't care. Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News Bollocks. If primarily shooting aperture priority or manual with a pre-set shutter speed and manual focus an aperture ring around the lens works exceedingly well. I'm now left eye'd so my thumb is always fighting for space with my nose when using the *ist D in aperture priority, and then I still get confused over which way to turn the knob in the heat of the moment. The ring movement was almost a reflex action in me, the farty little wheel on the back I just tolerate.
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On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:13, Herb Chong wrote: i prefer everything on the body like the *istD has because i can run all critical functions one handed. in cold weather with gloves on, it matters a lot. the rest of the time, i don't care. We don't have cold here (well not like where you are), we have heat, plenty of it, two hands holding the camera stops it from slipping out of sweaty hands :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmmm, I wonder when one qualifies for old fartiness? ;-) When one thinks one does, Marnie. So it's all up to you. ERNR
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In a message dated 1/26/2005 6:30:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmmm, I wonder when one qualifies for old fartiness? ;-) When one thinks one does, Marnie. So it's all up to you. ERNR Hehehehehe. Marnie
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:45:47 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto for the C 300D I am using.snip Let's start by saying it together:: Canon Okay, very good. Now again: Canon. Okay, this time on your own: . See, that's not so hard, is it? say in mock Mr. Rodgers' voice I knew ya could do it. vbg always ready to help those in need, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:45:47 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/26/2005 11:18:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the farty little wheel on the back I just tolerate. Rob Studdert = Ditto for the C 300D I am using. Little wheel sets shutter speed or aperture depending on what else you trip on the camera or what picture mode it is in. I admit, it's better than the Elan was, but still, I am always setting the aperture when I what the shutter speed and vice-a-versa. I suppose one of these days it will come more naturally to me. But when you had to set it on the lens it was much harder to get it all confoosed. Sheesh, I sound like a photography old fart and I have only been doing photography off and on (more off) for three years. Hmmm, I wonder when one qualifies for old fartiness? ;-) Marnie aka Doe But, seriously, Marnie, I don't have a digital anything (as you all know). All my cameras have shutter speed dials on the top plate, just to the right of the prism (except my Leica, which for one thing has no prism, and for another the dial is on the front of the camera - but the CL's the only Leica that I know of with it there). The film advance lever is by my right thumb. Aperture and focus on the lens barrel. Pretty zimple. Not only simple, but pretty standard from camera to camera, company to company. One could pretty much pick up an SLR made by anyone, and could operate it within seconds, with no direction or instruction. I'm not saying that's a good thing, just something that certainly can't be done today. There. ~Now~ who's the old fart here? vbg -frank (who had chili for supper last night, remember?) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
The Pz-1/PZ-1p had both options. That's a progress! As far as flash photography goes, the *ist D has too. Someday, someone might make a camera, without the aperture simulator, but with the e-wheel moved from the body to the lens :-)) Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2005 00:10 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:28:43 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmmm, I wonder when one qualifies for old fartiness? ;-) When one thinks one does, Marnie. So it's all up to you. I've been an old fart since about age 21. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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It isn't better, only different. I find it makes the camera a bit more difficult to hold when changing both aperture and shutter speed at the same time, yes I know that's what hyper program is for but I just like to keep my camera in manual mode most of the time. John Celio wrote: It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. It may be cost-cutting, but it makes sense. Aperture control on the camera body is faster and just as easy as turning the dial on a lens. Did you notice even Nikon is ditching aperture rings on most of their lenses? I've gotten a lot of stubborn, crotchety old photographers (usually men) in my shop who dislike body-controlled aperture when they come in, but love it once they've had a chance to really try it out in the real world. Something tells me you're the rare type who just won't be happy with anything new, even if it's actually better. I'd suggest giving this new stuff a try, but somehow I doubt you'll take it into consideration. John Celio ...would rather move forward than become a dinosaur... -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.newpixel.net AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News)
They don't really, they meter wide open, and stop down, all the way, for exposure. I suppose that on an LX you'd get the proper exposure, in automatic mode, but you'd have not a clue what your actual shutter speed would be until the shutter closed. John Whittingham wrote: Maybe we should let Pentax know and they can resolve the issue, soon :) Something I've not got round to asking because I don't own a body aperture control camera or a lens without an aperture ring: How do the new lenses perform on cameras without aperture control on the body? Say a Pentax LX, MX, KX. John -- Original Message --- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:09:51 +1000 Subject: Re: Things I like about aperture rings on lenses (was Re: Pentax 50mm News) On 26 Jan 2005 at 21:59, John Whittingham wrote: Now that's what I'd call progress :) Hmm, yes, I still haven't seen such a list to show why thumb-wheel control is such an advantage over lens based aperture control :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, John Whittingham wrote: Ah, never thought of that, unfortunately I don't own a Pentax digital SLR. I wish they had produced something like the MZ-D prototype. No you don't. Had they gone ahead, they would now be like Contax (who did produce a FF digital with the same disastrous Phillips sensor): dead. Kostas
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if they are making the lens to have a useful market life of 10 years or more, a FF DSLR is inevitable, at a price, I certainly hope so, bring it on Pentax. John -- Original Message --- From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:04:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News if they are making the lens to have a useful market life of 10 years or more, a FF DSLR is inevitable, at a price, and if Pentax stays in the DSLR business. Herb - Original Message - From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming. --- End of Original Message ---
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I've got both the F50/1.7 and the F50/1.4 and there isn't any difference in the quality of construction. They tend to be pricey here in Australia but that's probably because just about everything sold with a zoom, not a 50mm prime. Both the F and FA 50mm lenses are quite rare secondhand. There are bucket loads of ST, SMCT and M series, while the K and A are less common. The K 55/2 and A 50/1.2 would be the rarest. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia
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What's the big deal? If you buy into a Pentax digital body now, you'll need one wider lens to handle wide field of view needs. I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36mm x 24mm digital body. I would need more then one W/A lens or a very good zoom to replace 24mm, 28mm and 35mm lenses not to mention 17mm rectilinear and 16mm Fisheye that I also use from time to time. The current trend for not putting the aperture ring on the lens really isn't to my taste either, it worked perfectly on the well for years, it's the logical place to control the diaphragm from. If it isn't broke don't fix it! I don't consider myself stuck with this size sensor. Nor me because I refuse to buy one :) John -- Original Message --- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:03:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News --- John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will it ever happen or will we be stuck with the present format, I'm not going digital until I know one way or the other. What's the big deal? If you buy into a Pentax digital body now, you'll need one wider lens to handle wide field of view needs. If/When Pentax chooses to release a larger sensor, you go back to the way you are currently working with your 35mm camera system. If you decide to sell off the smaller sensor body, you sell the lenses specific to it as well. I don't consider myself stuck with this size sensor. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- End of Original Message ---
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, John Whittingham wrote: What's the big deal? If you buy into a Pentax digital body now, you'll need one wider lens to handle wide field of view needs. I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36mm x 24mm digital body. Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 (and no, it is not recommended that one buy a used digital camera, as discussed here in the recent past). I would need more then one W/A lens or a very good zoom to replace 24mm, 28mm and 35mm lenses not to mention 17mm rectilinear and 16mm Fisheye that I also use from time to time. Just get the 16-45. The 17 you are using may be awful on digital, full-frame or otherwise, because of CA. Only you can judge if the fisheye is enough to justify your decision. The current trend for not putting the aperture ring on the lens really isn't to my taste either, it worked perfectly on the well for years, it's the logical place to control the diaphragm from. If it isn't broke don't fix it! It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? I have anti-digital arguments myself and I am not considering it at the moment, just thought to point out that we are on a one-way street with lots of lemming-like traffic all around you at the moment; you can slow down but it will be damn difficult to go back. Kostas
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--- John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36m x 24mm digital body. Well, then you're into a long wait. I don't expect to see 24x36mm sensors being available in volume production quantities for at least 3-5 years, and the price will likely be quite a bit higher for a while beyond that. The current trend for not putting the aperture ring on the lens really isn't to my taste either, it worked perfectly on the well for years, it's the logical place to control the diaphragm from. If it isn't broke don't fix it! I've grown very comfortable with having both shutter speed and aperture setting controllable from the body, to the point that reaching for an aperture ring elsewhere seems awkward now. On the Contax G2, manual focus was also controlled from the body ... That took some getting used to. :-) Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Well, then you're into a long wait. I don't expect to see 24x36mm sensors being available in volume production quantities for at least 3-5 years, and the price will likely be quite a bit higher for a while beyond that. I guess so, but hopefully worth the wait. I've grown very comfortable with having both shutter speed and aperture setting controllable from the body, to the point that reaching for an aperture ring elsewhere seems awkward now. Just doesn't seem logical to me and if it's cost cutting I'd rather pay the extra. On the Contax G2, manual focus was also controlled from the body ... That took some getting used to. :-) I'll bet. Best John -- Original Message --- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:44:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News --- John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36m x 24mm digital body. Well, then you're into a long wait. I don't expect to see 24x36mm sensors being available in volume production quantities for at least 3-5 years, and the price will likely be quite a bit higher for a while beyond that. The current trend for not putting the aperture ring on the lens really isn't to my taste either, it worked perfectly on the well for years, it's the logical place to control the diaphragm from. If it isn't broke don't fix it! I've grown very comfortable with having both shutter speed and aperture setting controllable from the body, to the point that reaching for an aperture ring elsewhere seems awkward now. On the Contax G2, manual focus was also controlled from the body ... That took some getting used to. :-) Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- End of Original Message ---
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Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 They'll come down a bit in time, besides you pay for the technology etc. no, it is not recommended that one buy a used digital camera, as discussed here in the recent past). Fully agree on that point, wouldn't touch one s/h. It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. John -- Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:12:19 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, John Whittingham wrote: What's the big deal? If you buy into a Pentax digital body now, you'll need one wider lens to handle wide field of view needs. I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36mm x 24mm digital body. Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 (and no, it is not recommended that one buy a used digital camera, as discussed here in the recent past). I would need more then one W/A lens or a very good zoom to replace 24mm, 28mm and 35mm lenses not to mention 17mm rectilinear and 16mm Fisheye that I also use from time to time. Just get the 16-45. The 17 you are using may be awful on digital, full-frame or otherwise, because of CA. Only you can judge if the fisheye is enough to justify your decision. The current trend for not putting the aperture ring on the lens really isn't to my taste either, it worked perfectly on the well for years, it's the logical place to control the diaphragm from. If it isn't broke don't fix it! It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? C It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? Kostas --- End of Original Message ---
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The biggest single reason cited for not going digital is the current cost of the cameras. Given that, it seems hard to blame the manufacturers for trying to bring prices down. John On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:56:02 +, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 They'll come down a bit in time, besides you pay for the technology etc. no, it is not recommended that one buy a used digital camera, as discussed here in the recent past). Fully agree on that point, wouldn't touch one s/h. It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. John -- Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:12:19 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, John Whittingham wrote: What's the big deal? If you buy into a Pentax digital body now, you'll need one wider lens to handle wide field of view needs. I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36mm x 24mm digital body. Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 (and no, it is not recommended that one buy a used digital camera, as discussed here in the recent past). I would need more then one W/A lens or a very good zoom to replace 24mm, 28mm and 35mm lenses not to mention 17mm rectilinear and 16mm Fisheye that I also use from time to time. Just get the 16-45. The 17 you are using may be awful on digital, full-frame or otherwise, because of CA. Only you can judge if the fisheye is enough to justify your decision. The current trend for not putting the aperture ring on the lens really isn't to my taste either, it worked perfectly on the well for years, it's the logical place to control the diaphragm from. If it isn't broke don't fix it! It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? C It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? Kostas --- End of Original Message --- -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, John Whittingham wrote: Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 They'll come down a bit in time, besides you pay for the technology etc. According to folks in the list, not by much, as the silicon wafers for this size have a great chance of yielding 0 (zero) usable sensor chips. I understood it to be a hard, physical limitation. It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. It does, it is small; it allows you to use all the old lenses; and it has a viefinder rather than a dark tunnel. Plus the SD card wierdness in the -Ds :-). Cost cutting is inevitable and they are offering a botch^H^H^H^H^Hworkaround. Don't hold your breath. Kostas
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SD card Weirdness? I'm happy they went to SD cards in the *istDS. Much smaller, just as fast if not faster than what you can use with CF, and much easier to get in and out of the camera. Less prone to damage too. Godfrey --- Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Plus the SD card wierdness in the -Ds __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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On 25 Jan 2005 at 14:37, John Whittingham wrote: I'd much prefer to save the money and spend it on a good 36mm x 24mm digital body. I would need more then one W/A lens or a very good zoom to replace 24mm, 28mm and 35mm lenses not to mention 17mm rectilinear and 16mm Fisheye that I also use from time to time. Har, they'll try to wear you down. Next you'll be told that the new zooms perform as well as primes (unfortunately even some of the new digital primes aren't that spectacular in performance) and then you'll be told that loosing the aperture ring control made the camera affordable to produce and that it's progress and that you'll get used to it. Double har. Sorry if I sound a little cynical :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 25 Jan 2005 at 21:01, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: According to folks in the list, not by much, as the silicon wafers for this size have a great chance of yielding 0 (zero) usable sensor chips. I understood it to be a hard, physical limitation. I think you may have misread, yields for CCD/CMOS technologies are very good, the components in them are magnetudes in size larger than the current technologies. So any faults in the silicon have far less effect then on top there is the fact that errors are somewhat more tolerated in this type of technology. This is why we can all count our hot pixels. The cost of the vast area of silicon required for larger sensors is and will be the crux of the cost for some time. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Har, they'll try to wear you down. Next you'll be told that the new zooms perform as well as primes (unfortunately even some of the new digital primes aren't that spectacular in performance) and then you'll be told that loosing the aperture ring control made the camera affordable to produce and that it's progress and that you'll get used to it. Double har. Sorry if I sound a little cynical :-) Well, you do, but then who cares? ]'-) I dislike zoom lenses, always get better results with primes even in the Canon system where they've put oodles of money into their L zoom lenses. The one Canon zoom I've always liked is the 70-200/2.8L IS, but it's a damn expensive, huge and heavy thing. I have no experience with Pentax zooms, but so far the primes I've bought (DA14, A28/2.8, A50/1.4, M85/2, K Tak 135/2.5, FA135/2.8, A200/4) have all proven to be very nice performers, comparable in performance with the Canon primes I use. Some are better than others, of course, but the DA14 is stunningly good and produces beautiful results with the *istDS. Regards the aperture ring control, it makes little difference to me whether the control is on the body or on the lens: I like the ergonomics of having the shutter and aperture on the body... Although I suppose it does make things more complex if you want to use a bellows and the aperture control is on the body. Last time I used a bellows was, um, in the late Cretaceous period. I think. ;-) Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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On 25 Jan 2005 at 14:38, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I have no experience with Pentax zooms, but so far the primes I've bought (DA14, A28/2.8, A50/1.4, M85/2, K Tak 135/2.5, FA135/2.8, A200/4) have all proven to be very nice performers, comparable in performance with the Canon primes I use. Some are better than others, of course, but the DA14 is stunningly good and produces beautiful results with the *istDS. Interesting I suspect our experience and expectations differ somewhat. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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But you'll never know if Pentax are going to release a full-frame digital unless they do. You will never know that they won't as they are unlikely to state so. Nick -Original Message- From: John Whittingham[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24/01/05 23:39:41 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.netpentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? Will it ever happen or will we be stuck with the present format, I'm not going digital until I know one way or the other. John -- Original Message --- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:27:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News - Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming. I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? William Robb --- End of Original Message ---
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According to folks in the list, not by much, as the silicon wafers for this size have a great chance of yielding 0 (zero) usable sensor chips. I understood it to be a hard, physical limitation. I know they're reaching their limitations, it's the same with computer CPU's they need a breakthrough, maybe a bit of lateral thinking - new materials - technology. It does, it is small; it allows you to use all the old lenses; and it has a viefinder rather than a dark tunnel. Plus the SD card wierdness in the -Ds :-). Cost cutting is inevitable and they are offering a botch^H^H^H^H^Hworkaround. Don't hold your breath. Where did I put the MX, it's here somewhere :) John - Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:01:12 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, John Whittingham wrote: Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 They'll come down a bit in time, besides you pay for the technology etc. According to folks in the list, not by much, as the silicon wafers for this size have a great chance of yielding 0 (zero) usable sensor chips. I understood it to be a hard, physical limitation. It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. It does, it is small; it allows you to use all the old lenses; and it has a viefinder rather than a dark tunnel. Plus the SD card wierdness in the -Ds :-). Cost cutting is inevitable and they are offering a botch^H^H^H^H^Hworkaround. Don't hold your breath. Kostas --- End of Original Message ---
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But you'll never know if Pentax are going to release a full-frame digital unless they do. You will never know that they won't as they are unlikely to state so. Yes, their marketing dept. needs a good kick up the ass, it's all the more enjoyable when they just release it and you think did I miss something :) John -- Original Message --- From: Nick Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:00:39 - Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News But you'll never know if Pentax are going to release a full-frame digital unless they do. You will never know that they won't as they are unlikely to state so. Nick -Original Message- From: John Whittingham[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24/01/05 23:39:41 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.netpentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? Will it ever happen or will we be stuck with the present format, I'm not going digital until I know one way or the other. John -- Original Message --- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:27:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News - Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming. I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? William Robb --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Original Message ---
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my DA 14 is noticeably less sharp than my DA 16-45, and that is about the same as my FA* 80-200. i haven't shot enough yet with my FA* 28-70, but given what i have seen from others, i expect it to be equally good. Herb - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News I dislike zoom lenses, always get better results with primes even in the Canon system where they've put oodles of money into their L zoom lenses. The one Canon zoom I've always liked is the 70-200/2.8L IS, but it's a damn expensive, huge and heavy thing. I have no experience with Pentax zooms, but so far the primes I've bought (DA14, A28/2.8, A50/1.4, M85/2, K Tak 135/2.5, FA135/2.8, A200/4) have all proven to be very nice performers, comparable in performance with the Canon primes I use. Some are better than others, of course, but the DA14 is stunningly good and produces beautiful results with the *istDS.
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--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting I suspect our experience and expectations differ somewhat. That begs the question: What are your experiences and expectations? With regard to which lenses I listed? Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
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A microcomputer chip has to be zero defects (excluding memory areas where they can put in more than they need and map out defective areas) and they are made to much higher densities. Almost all imaging sensors have a few defective pixels. A full-size sensor should only cost in the vicinity of 2.5x as much as an APS sized sensor at similar densities and similar quantities. Which would put a full frame istD equivalent at about $2500. However why spend the extra as long as you can sell all the smaller sensor cameras you can make, and instead sell the large sensor camera at a 10x margin as Canon does. However, I personally expect Pentax and others to produce full-frame cameras in that price range in the near future. Once one company does it they all will have to. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- John Whittingham wrote: According to folks in the list, not by much, as the silicon wafers for this size have a great chance of yielding 0 (zero) usable sensor chips. I understood it to be a hard, physical limitation. I know they're reaching their limitations, it's the same with computer CPU's they need a breakthrough, maybe a bit of lateral thinking - new materials - technology. It does, it is small; it allows you to use all the old lenses; and it has a viefinder rather than a dark tunnel. Plus the SD card wierdness in the -Ds :-). Cost cutting is inevitable and they are offering a botch^H^H^H^H^Hworkaround. Don't hold your breath. Where did I put the MX, it's here somewhere :) John - Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:01:12 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, John Whittingham wrote: Start saving. Disregarding the good bit (;-) the Canon is 5.2KGBP. That's 500 times more than what you paid for your MZ-3 They'll come down a bit in time, besides you pay for the technology etc. According to folks in the list, not by much, as the silicon wafers for this size have a great chance of yielding 0 (zero) usable sensor chips. I understood it to be a hard, physical limitation. It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. It does, it is small; it allows you to use all the old lenses; and it has a viefinder rather than a dark tunnel. Plus the SD card wierdness in the -Ds :-). Cost cutting is inevitable and they are offering a botch^H^H^H^H^Hworkaround. Don't hold your breath. Kostas --- End of Original Message --- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005
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It *is* broke, check http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg205063.html It's a goner; do other manufacturers support it even in the way Pentax does? More cost cutting, it's about time Pentax stopped following Canon and Minolta trends, they never where scared of breaking from the norm. It may be cost-cutting, but it makes sense. Aperture control on the camera body is faster and just as easy as turning the dial on a lens. Did you notice even Nikon is ditching aperture rings on most of their lenses? I've gotten a lot of stubborn, crotchety old photographers (usually men) in my shop who dislike body-controlled aperture when they come in, but love it once they've had a chance to really try it out in the real world. Something tells me you're the rare type who just won't be happy with anything new, even if it's actually better. I'd suggest giving this new stuff a try, but somehow I doubt you'll take it into consideration. John Celio ...would rather move forward than become a dinosaur... -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.newpixel.net AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement.
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--- John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He said he was about 90% sure Pentax will be releasing a new (most likely D FA) 50mm f1.4 lens, since the current 50 1.4 was discontinued. There is nothing official yet, but he expects an announcement in the relatively near future. So, for those of you who were talking about getting a new, fast 50, you might want to hold off a while if you can. That's good to hear. I've been using the Pentax-A 50/1.4 and loving it, but have had a hankering for an AF series 50/1.4. I'll wait a little while with this information. :-) Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News That's good to hear. I've been using the Pentax-A 50/1.4 and loving it, but have had a hankering for an AF series 50/1.4. I'll wait a little while with this information. :-) FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. William Robb
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I've noticed on that J Cowell's price index lists the F 50/1.4 as selling for slightly more than the FA 50/1.4. Is this an aberration in his statistics, or is the F a better lens? I'm guessing construction quality would be the only difference. I've always understood the construction of the F series to be weak. Tim On 1/24/05 13:55, William Robb wrote: FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. William Robb
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FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming. John -- Original Message --- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:55:47 -0600 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News That's good to hear. I've been using the Pentax-A 50/1.4 and loving it, but have had a hankering for an AF series 50/1.4. I'll wait a little while with this information. :-) FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. William Robb --- End of Original Message ---
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I've noticed on that J Cowell's price index lists the F 50/1.4 as selling for slightly more than the FA 50/1.4. Is this an aberration in his statistics, or is the F a better lens? (...) Tim No, it is just not as common... Personnally I have never seen an F 50/1.4! Andre
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I've noticed on that J Cowell's price index lists the F 50/1.4 as selling for slightly more than the FA 50/1.4. Is this an aberration in his statistics, or is the F a better lens? Better MTF score? F = 4.6, FA = 4.2 according to Photodo. I've noticed some interesting results on Pentax zooms here: http://www.photozone.de/2Equipment/easytxt.htm#Zstd The old FA power zoom seems to be better than newer 28-105's and the 24-90, glad I kept mine :) John -- Original Message --- From: Tim Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion List pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:27:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News I've noticed on that J Cowell's price index lists the F 50/1.4 as selling for slightly more than the FA 50/1.4. Is this an aberration in his statistics, or is the F a better lens? I'm guessing construction quality would be the only difference. I've always understood the construction of the F series to be weak. Tim On 1/24/05 13:55, William Robb wrote: FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. William Robb --- End of Original Message ---
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Hello John, The big reason for a new version is to have the focus clutch capability - it allows for instant manual focus touch up just like on the DA 16-45, DA 14 and DA 18-55. As far optical quality goes, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just the same as the FA 50/1.4. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, January 24, 2005, 2:46:05 PM, you wrote: FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. JW I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would JW equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full JW frame digital?naah just dreaming. JW John JW -- Original Message --- JW From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] JW To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JW Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:55:47 -0600 JW Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News That's good to hear. I've been using the Pentax-A 50/1.4 and loving it, but have had a hankering for an AF series 50/1.4. I'll wait a little while with this information. :-) FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. William Robb JW --- End of Original Message ---
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- Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming. I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? William Robb
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- Original Message - From: Tim Sherburne Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News I've noticed on that J Cowell's price index lists the F 50/1.4 as selling for slightly more than the FA 50/1.4. Is this an aberration in his statistics, or is the F a better lens? I'm guessing construction quality would be the only difference. I've always understood the construction of the F series to be weak. Never seen an F50/1.4. My F50/1.7 doesn't really impress me with it's build, but then again, neither does the FA. The only FA lenses whose build I am impressed with are the Limiteds, and now I am wondering if I can get my 77 rebuilt with the extra helical support. William Robb
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Ah, never thought of that, unfortunately I don't own a Pentax digital SLR. I wish they had produced something like the MZ-D prototype. John -- Original Message --- From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Whittingham pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:26:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News Hello John, The big reason for a new version is to have the focus clutch capability - it allows for instant manual focus touch up just like on the DA 16-45, DA 14 and DA 18-55. As far optical quality goes, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just the same as the FA 50/1.4. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, January 24, 2005, 2:46:05 PM, you wrote: FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. JW I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would JW equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full JW frame digital?naah just dreaming. JW John JW -- Original Message --- JW From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] JW To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JW Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:55:47 -0600 JW Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News That's good to hear. I've been using the Pentax-A 50/1.4 and loving it, but have had a hankering for an AF series 50/1.4. I'll wait a little while with this information. :-) FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. William Robb JW --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Original Message ---
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FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming. I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? It's all rumors. Personally, however, I prefer the 16x24mm format. Smaller, lighter, faster telephoto field of view at lower prices, with a touch more DoF to work with. As long as they can make 6-8Mpixel on this size imager with the quality we're getting out of the *istD/DS, it works fine for me. A 50/1.4 is a superb lens for this format, my second most used focal length after the 28-31mm range. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? Will it ever happen or will we be stuck with the present format, I'm not going digital until I know one way or the other. John -- Original Message --- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:27:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News - Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News FWIW, if you come across an FA50/1.4, it is a very nice lens. I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming. I have read that full frame is the future. The $64,000 question is how far away from it are we? William Robb --- End of Original Message ---
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--- John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will it ever happen or will we be stuck with the present format, I'm not going digital until I know one way or the other. What's the big deal? If you buy into a Pentax digital body now, you'll need one wider lens to handle wide field of view needs. If/When Pentax chooses to release a larger sensor, you go back to the way you are currently working with your 35mm camera system. If you decide to sell off the smaller sensor body, you sell the lenses specific to it as well. I don't consider myself stuck with this size sensor. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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if they are making the lens to have a useful market life of 10 years or more, a FF DSLR is inevitable, at a price, and if Pentax stays in the DSLR business. Herb - Original Message - From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Pentax 50mm News I'd second that. Doesn't it make you wonder why a new 50mm, OK it would equate to approx 75mm on the *istD, portrait lens? or can we expect a full frame digital?naah just dreaming.
