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Fw: Test

[Alan C]

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From: Alan C

Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Test

Brian

I'm having e-mail problems.

I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the e-mails
just vanish.

The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not from
the normal user's @lantic.

I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or Ann
Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a couple
of Bank e-mails too.

At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the Subject
line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.

I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving via
Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.

Perhaps you have some suggestions?



Alan 



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Re: Test

[David J Brooks]

test, a test, oh man i forgot to study.

Dave

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> 10-4 good buddy.
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Re: Test

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transmission received.

10-4 good buddy.


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Re: Test

[Brian Walters]

OK

Cheers
Brian


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Re: OT: First Test from new Laptop

[Yolanda Rowe]

I behaved. I was this close [] to making that reference. :D

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:17 PM, John  wrote:
> On 3/1/2018 08:19, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:28 PM, John Sessoms 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can
>>> communicate with the PDML list.
>>>
>>> Can you see me now?
>>
>>
>>
>> No but i can see my house though
>>
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> But can you look out the window and see it from Russia?
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Re: OT: First Test from new Laptop

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On 3/1/2018 08:19, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:28 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can
communicate with the PDML list.

Can you see me now?



No but i can see my house though



But can you look out the window and see it from Russia?


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Re: OT: First Test from new Laptop

[P. J. Alling]

Funny, I can see Dave's house too...


On 3/1/2018 8:19 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:28 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can
communicate with the PDML list.

Can you see me now?


No but i can see my house though

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Re: OT: First Test from new Laptop

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On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:28 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can
> communicate with the PDML list.
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> Can you see me now?


No but i can see my house though

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Re: OT: second test and dumb question

[P. J. Alling]

You shouldn't need to keep them.  The unpacking process before 
installing may leave behind a number of intermediate temporary files you 
don't need either.



On 2/28/2018 8:37 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
installer EXE files that I downloaded?


Specifically:    palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe
    Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe

Do I need to keep them?



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Re: OT: second test and dumb question

[Brian Walters]

As Igor said, you don't need to keep them but I usually do in case I need to go
back to that version if a future update doesn't work.  eg. about a year ago I
updated Firefox and found it wouldn't load on my PC so I reinstalled the earlier
version from the saved installer.  

Cheers

Brian




> On 01 March 2018 at 12:37 John Sessoms  wrote:
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> After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
> installer EXE files that I downloaded?
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>   Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe
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Re: OT: second test and dumb question

[Igor PDML-StR]

No. You don't need to keep them.

But I typically do keep all the installer files.
It was only ones or twice in the 21st century that I went back to them on 
the same computer. (I've went to them for a different computer, - but not

for such frequently updated software as web browser and Thunderbird.)
I usually save them on one of the backup drives.

Igor



John Sessoms Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:38:42 -0800 wrote:

After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
installer EXE files that I downloaded?



Specifically:   palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe
Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe


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OT: second test and dumb question

[John Sessoms]

After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
installer EXE files that I downloaded?


Specifically:   palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe
Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe

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Re: OT: First Test from new Laptop

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On February 28, 2018 5:28:38 PM PST, John Sessoms  
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>communicate with the PDML list.
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>Can you see me now?

Yup, you're as handsome as Bill

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OT: First Test from new Laptop

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Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can 
communicate with the PDML list.


Can you see me now?

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Re: Test

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Past!

J

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Re: Test

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test

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Re: Test

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Carry on!

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Re: GESO: Hasselblad vs Pentax lens "test"

[Stanley Halpin]

Unfortunately you are correct. Sorry, this was less of an even test than I had 
wanted!

I just went back to the original files and did a careful look. I was using 
Liveview as my focus aid for all three lenses. My intent was to focus on the 
old fallen tree behind the collected river debris, in front of the sand bar 
across the river. But both of the H lenses seem to have been focused somewhere 
mid river and the P lens was closer to my intended target. 

I returned the H lenses to my brother-in-law yesterday. So no chance for a 
slower paced more deliberate re-test. 
But if you have a source who would loan you an H lens or two, I would be glad 
to send you the H-to-645 adapter if you like.

stan

> On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:03 AM, Jostein <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
> 
> Interesting,
> How did you focus the The 150mm? The intruding branches above the water seems 
> very sharp indeed.
> 
> Jostein
> 
> Den 07.12.2017 20:04, skrev Stanley Halpin:
>> So my father-in-law did a lot of photography and had a lot of gear. Many 
>> years ago I was visiting, I was doing some shots with my Pentax 645. He 
>> pulled out his Hasselblad and played with it a bit (but no shots.) I 
>> commented that I knew of an adapter would let me use his lenses on my 
>> camera. No comment from him.
>> Fast forward to today. When father-in-law passed away 7 years ago, his 
>> camera gear was distributed, with my brother-in-law getting the Hasselblad 
>> set to complement his own H gear.
>> I recently retrieved two of those lenses on a brief loan.
>> The links below are to three shots. One each with Carl Zeiss 3.5/60mm, Carl 
>> Zeiss 4/150mm, and Pentax D-FA 24-70 @ 60.
>> All shot from the same tripod position, at f/8, 1/60 or 1/90sec, ISO100.
>> The Hasselblad (Zeiss) lenses were mounted on a Hasselblad-to-Pentax-645 
>> adapter which in turn was mounted on a 645-to-K adapter on a K-1.
>> I used two different K-1 bodies with slightly different settings so, to even 
>> things out, I used Lightroom to post process with Shady WB, Auto Tone. No 
>> sharpening.
>> CZ 4/150
>>  http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece7506
>> CZ 3.5/60
>>  http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece7944
>> D-FA 24-70 @ 60mm
>>  http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece737d
>> Note that you can scroll sideways from one to another, no need to use the 
>> individual links…
>> I hope you enjoy this visual answer to a question you probably never thought 
>> to ask...
>> stan


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Re: GESO: Hasselblad vs Pentax lens "test"

[Jostein]

Interesting,
How did you focus the The 150mm? The intruding branches above the water 
seems very sharp indeed.


Jostein

Den 07.12.2017 20:04, skrev Stanley Halpin:

So my father-in-law did a lot of photography and had a lot of gear. Many years 
ago I was visiting, I was doing some shots with my Pentax 645. He pulled out 
his Hasselblad and played with it a bit (but no shots.) I commented that I knew 
of an adapter would let me use his lenses on my camera. No comment from him.

Fast forward to today. When father-in-law passed away 7 years ago, his camera 
gear was distributed, with my brother-in-law getting the Hasselblad set to 
complement his own H gear.
I recently retrieved two of those lenses on a brief loan.

The links below are to three shots. One each with Carl Zeiss 3.5/60mm, Carl 
Zeiss 4/150mm, and Pentax D-FA 24-70 @ 60.
All shot from the same tripod position, at f/8, 1/60 or 1/90sec, ISO100.

The Hasselblad (Zeiss) lenses were mounted on a Hasselblad-to-Pentax-645 
adapter which in turn was mounted on a 645-to-K adapter on a K-1.
I used two different K-1 bodies with slightly different settings so, to even 
things out, I used Lightroom to post process with Shady WB, Auto Tone. No 
sharpening.

CZ 4/150
http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece7506
CZ 3.5/60
http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece7944
D-FA 24-70 @ 60mm
http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece737d


Note that you can scroll sideways from one to another, no need to use the 
individual links…

I hope you enjoy this visual answer to a question you probably never thought to 
ask...

stan



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GESO: Hasselblad vs Pentax lens "test"

[Stanley Halpin]

So my father-in-law did a lot of photography and had a lot of gear. Many years 
ago I was visiting, I was doing some shots with my Pentax 645. He pulled out 
his Hasselblad and played with it a bit (but no shots.) I commented that I knew 
of an adapter would let me use his lenses on my camera. No comment from him.

Fast forward to today. When father-in-law passed away 7 years ago, his camera 
gear was distributed, with my brother-in-law getting the Hasselblad set to 
complement his own H gear.
I recently retrieved two of those lenses on a brief loan. 

The links below are to three shots. One each with Carl Zeiss 3.5/60mm, Carl 
Zeiss 4/150mm, and Pentax D-FA 24-70 @ 60.
All shot from the same tripod position, at f/8, 1/60 or 1/90sec, ISO100.

The Hasselblad (Zeiss) lenses were mounted on a Hasselblad-to-Pentax-645 
adapter which in turn was mounted on a 645-to-K adapter on a K-1.
I used two different K-1 bodies with slightly different settings so, to even 
things out, I used Lightroom to post process with Shady WB, Auto Tone. No 
sharpening.

CZ 4/150
http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece7506
CZ 3.5/60
http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece7944
D-FA 24-70 @ 60mm
http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/e9ece737d


Note that you can scroll sideways from one to another, no need to use the 
individual links…

I hope you enjoy this visual answer to a question you probably never thought to 
ask...

stan
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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Indeed!

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 4:02 AM, Jostein  wrote:

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>
> Den 24.11.2017 23:38, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:
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>> Wow, that is a hell of a rig!
>>
>
> Well... you know how projects tend to accumulate mass over time... :-)
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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

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Den 24.11.2017 23:38, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:

Wow, that is a hell of a rig!


Well... you know how projects tend to accumulate mass over time... :-)

Jostein

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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Wow, that is a hell of a rig!


Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Jostein  wrote:

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>
> Den 23.11.2017 23:14, skrev John:
>
>> It's pretty cool, but I'd also be interested in seeing what the equipment
>> setup looks like.
>>
>
> Last time I posted pics of the setup looks like, it was all about the
> results. You guys are hard to please. :-)
>
> http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171124-0001-pdml.jpg
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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

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Den 24.11.2017 20:26, skrev Larry Colen:


If you weren't capable of such amazing work, we wouldn't hold you to 
such high standards.


In humble gratitude, that's bollocks. :-)

Jostein

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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[Larry Colen]

Jostein wrote:



Den 23.11.2017 23:14, skrev John:

It's pretty cool, but I'd also be interested in seeing what the
equipment setup looks like.


Last time I posted pics of the setup looks like, it was all about the
results. You guys are hard to please. :-)


If you weren't capable of such amazing work, we wouldn't hold you to 
such high standards.




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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[Jostein]

Den 23.11.2017 23:23, skrev mike wilson:

There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep some
pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.

http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg


The full size one is pretty impressive.  How many layers?


100. Focused 15µ apart. Could probably have spaced them 30µ apart, I think.

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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[Jostein]

Den 23.11.2017 23:14, skrev John:
It's pretty cool, but I'd also be interested in seeing what the 
equipment setup looks like.


Last time I posted pics of the setup looks like, it was all about the 
results. You guys are hard to please. :-)


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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[mike wilson]

> On 23 November 2017 at 20:17 Jostein <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
> 
> 
> William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. 
> Today I did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.
> 
> The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, and 
> over all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.
> 
> My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over from 
> my last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but those 
> facet eyes are great for testing stuff anyway.
> 
> I put a small version up on Flickr: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/
> 
> There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep some 
> pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.
> 
> http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

The full size one is pretty impressive.  How many layers?

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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[John]

It's pretty cool, but I'd also be interested in seeing what the equipment setup 
looks like.

On 11/23/2017 15:17, Jostein wrote:

William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. Today I 
did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.

The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, and over 
all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.

My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over from my 
last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but those facet eyes are 
great for testing stuff anyway.

I put a small version up on Flickr: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/

There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep some 
pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.

http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[ann sanfedele]

Looks like a alien speeding through space!
fun :-)

ann

On 11/23/2017 3:17 PM, Jostein wrote:
William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. 
Today I did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.


The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, 
and over all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.


My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over 
from my last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but 
those facet eyes are great for testing stuff anyway.


I put a small version up on Flickr: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/


There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep 
some pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.


http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

Jostein




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645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[Jostein]

William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. 
Today I did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.


The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, and 
over all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.


My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over from 
my last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but those 
facet eyes are great for testing stuff anyway.


I put a small version up on Flickr: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/


There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep some 
pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.


http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

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Re: Strange thing - Test #3 "Reply All"

[John]

Test #3 - "Reply All" goes

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

... same as "Reply" did.

Again, this works with ver. 45.8.0

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
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Re: Strange thing - Test #2 "Reply"

[John]

Second Test - ver 45.8.0 "Reply goes

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




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Re: Strange thing - TEST #1 "Reply List"

[John]

First Test - I'm still on 45.8.0 so this may not hold for 52.2.1

Reply List goes To: pdml-at-pdml.net

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




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Re: OT - 28-light shootout: comprehensive LED light test

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 7:04 PM, John  wrote:
> On 5/22/2017 14:04, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Wow is my reaction to this article. Author carefully tests the light
>> quality from 28 available LED products and also thoroughly explains
>> his measuring criteria, methods, and baseline sources, like the sun.
>>
>> Especially interesting is how he shows that CRI is actually very
>> misleading when comparing LEDs to other kinds of sources.
>>
>> For all the engineering and technically minded, possibly anally
>> retentive, nit-picky, attention-to-details oriented list members, this
>> is the article of the month for you ...
>>
>> http://nofilmschool.com/2017/04/2017-led-light-shootout
>>
>
> I'll bookmark it in case I ever get still photography figured out to the
> point I want to start on cinematography.

Other than being an avid watcher of movies, I have zero interest in
cinematography myself, but this stuff is just as relevant to still
photography as cine. It's all about light and colour.

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Re: OT - 28-light shootout: comprehensive LED light test

[John]

On 5/22/2017 14:04, Bruce Walker wrote:

Wow is my reaction to this article. Author carefully tests the light
quality from 28 available LED products and also thoroughly explains
his measuring criteria, methods, and baseline sources, like the sun.

Especially interesting is how he shows that CRI is actually very
misleading when comparing LEDs to other kinds of sources.

For all the engineering and technically minded, possibly anally
retentive, nit-picky, attention-to-details oriented list members, this
is the article of the month for you ...

http://nofilmschool.com/2017/04/2017-led-light-shootout



I'll bookmark it in case I ever get still photography figured out to the
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Re: OT - 28-light shootout: comprehensive LED light test

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/5/17, Larry, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sorry, I was busy reading the article.

That's my boy

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Re: OT - 28-light shootout: comprehensive LED light test

[Larry]

On May 22, 2017 11:10:45 AM PDT, Mark Roberts  
wrote:
>Bruce Walker wrote:
>
>>For all the engineering and technically minded, possibly anally
>>retentive, nit-picky, attention-to-details oriented list members, this
>>is the article of the month for you ...
>
>Larry? Larry? You out there?

Sorry, I was busy reading the article.

>
>>http://nofilmschool.com/2017/04/2017-led-light-shootout
>
>;-)
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Re: OT - 28-light shootout: comprehensive LED light test

[Mark Roberts]

Bruce Walker wrote:

>For all the engineering and technically minded, possibly anally
>retentive, nit-picky, attention-to-details oriented list members, this
>is the article of the month for you ...

Larry? Larry? You out there?

>http://nofilmschool.com/2017/04/2017-led-light-shootout

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OT - 28-light shootout: comprehensive LED light test

[Bruce Walker]

Wow is my reaction to this article. Author carefully tests the light
quality from 28 available LED products and also thoroughly explains
his measuring criteria, methods, and baseline sources, like the sun.

Especially interesting is how he shows that CRI is actually very
misleading when comparing LEDs to other kinds of sources.

For all the engineering and technically minded, possibly anally
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is the article of the month for you ...

http://nofilmschool.com/2017/04/2017-led-light-shootout

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Re: Test mail from red4est

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> On May 3, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Made it to MKE

Thanks, and it came back on both of my accounts.  

I wonder if my last two weeks of email will suddenly show up.

> 
> -p
> 
> On May 3, 2017, 4:58 PM -0500, Larry Colen , wrote:
>> I’m seeing mail coming in here, Let’s see if it also goes out.
>> 
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Re: Test mail from red4est

[Paul Sorenson]

Made it to MKE

-p

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Re: Test

[Toralf Lund]

 On 03/04/17 01:00, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Test. This is simply a test.



And if you actually reading this, boy, are you bored.

It actually ended up in my "Spam" folder (blame Google), and I still read
it. I wonder what that says about by boredness (is that a word??)

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Re: Test

[Stanley Halpin]

If it were a real emergency, we should get out our cameras and check the 
settings…

stan

> On Apr 2, 2017, at 7:00 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
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> Test. This is simply a test.
> 
> 
> 
> And if you actually reading this, boy, are you bored.
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Test. This is simply a  test.



And if you actually reading this, boy, are you  bored.

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Test. This is simply a test.
 
 
 
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Re: Test - does this go through?

[Brian Walters]

Apparently


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On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 04:42 AM, John wrote:
> Just had a reply returned as 550-"JunkMail rejected apparently by
> http://spameatingmonkey.com/lookup/209.86.89.63
> 
> The IP address appears to be one of Earthlink's mail servers.
> 
> Thread was: What can Pentax do to convince Sigma to make K mount lenses.
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Re: Test - does this go through?

[John]

Drat! Guess I'll have to try again.

On 2/22/2017 1:58 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Can't see it. ;)

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:42 PM, John  wrote:

Just had a reply returned as 550-"JunkMail rejected apparently by
http://spameatingmonkey.com/lookup/209.86.89.63

The IP address appears to be one of Earthlink's mail servers.

Thread was: What can Pentax do to convince Sigma to make K mount lenses.










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Can't see it. ;)

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Just had a reply returned as 550-"JunkMail rejected apparently by
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Re: another test - I THINK I'm back

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Where did you go? Someplace warm I hope…

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> On Jan 6, 2017, at 6:23 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> 
> sigh...
> 
> ann
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Re: another test - I THINK I'm back

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You're here...=-O

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On 1/6/2017 5:23 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:


sigh...

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Re: Another test - Pixel Shift

[Bill]

On 1/6/2017 3:03 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Interesting comparisons. I see a small but noticeable improvement in
detail  in Image 3 compared with image 1.

If I recall correctly, Ricoh's implementation of pixel shift produces
images with the same pixel dimensions as a 'normal' image but with
increased detail. This contrasts with the Olympus implementation which
produces images about 4 times (in area) that of the 'normal' file.  I
just bought an E-M5 MkII but I'm yet to test its pixel shift capability.
 I'm not sure it's something I'd use often anyway.



I'm not sure about the Olympus version. It's a cheap way of making a big 
pixel count image, but then you will most likely bin most of them anyway.


The Pentax version actually does a lot more for the image than that. I 
didn't think I would use it much until I started using it.



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Re: Another test - Pixel Shift

[Bill]

On 1/5/2017 11:00 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Been done before I am sure. I had heard since forever that LR could
not take advantage of pixel-shifted files from the K-3ii or K-1.  But
I saw a discussion recently that implied to me that LR did work. As
part of my recent look at the Leica-M adapter for K mount, I shot
some of the images with pixel shift turned ON.

Following a recent discussion on a Facebook pentax group, I did a bit
more and a comparison.

1. Pixel shift does seem to make a difference in resolution. My test
was not the best. 2. Pixel shift -> files about 3.5 times the size of
a “normal” K-1 DNG. 3. Lightroom does not know how to process such
files. 4. Lightroom generates color artifacts when processing such
images. 5. If the weather ever warms up I’ll go to the storage
locker, retrieve the disc that came with the camera, and redo this
using Pentax’s version of silkypiks.


Where I really notice the difference is in reds, flowers especially. 
They don't blow out as fast.


I'm surprised Lightroom does a crappy job with them, Photoshop does OK 
with them.


This was a 25 or so pixel shift stack that I think worked pretty well. 
The reds blew a bit when I changed the profile to sRGB, in Prophoto they 
are good.


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/photos/index.html#/view/ID612608

You will take best advantage of pixel shift with images that are fully 
in focus, which is why I do so many stacks, and where there is no 
movement, though there is a motion correction setting that may help.


The green artifacting is weird, it appears to only be infecting the 
blown areas.





The link below takes you to the first of three images.

Image 1: a regular K-1 DNG Image 2: a K-1 image with no changes to
settings etc. except that Pixel Shift was ON - image file stored as
DNG Image 3: the same image capture as in # 2, but this time I did an
in-camera processing of the file to create a TIFF file.

The linked images are a smallish crop of the original images.

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/h80f3d918#h80f3d918

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another test - I THINK I'm back

[ann sanfedele]

sigh...

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Re: Another test - Pixel Shift

[Larry Colen]

Larry Colen wrote:



Or you could pretend that it's the 21st century and just download the
software from here:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/download_digital.html


Oops my bad, those seem to be only for the Q

Mac:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/dc_utility5_mac.html

Windows
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/dc_utility5_win.html



Windows:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/silkypix3_win.html

Mac:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/silkypix3_mac.html


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Re: Another test - Pixel Shift

[Larry Colen]

Stanley Halpin wrote:

Been done before I am sure. I had heard since forever that LR could
not take advantage of pixel-shifted files from the K-3ii or K-1. But I
saw a discussion recently that implied to me that LR did work.
As part of my recent look at the Leica-M adapter for K mount, I shot
some of the images with pixel shift turned ON.

Following a recent discussion on a Facebook pentax group, I did a bit
more and a comparison.

1. Pixel shift does seem to make a difference in resolution. My test
was not the best.
2. Pixel shift -> files about 3.5 times the size of a “normal” K-1 DNG.
3. Lightroom does not know how to process such files.
4. Lightroom generates color artifacts when processing such images.
5. If the weather ever warms up I’ll go to the storage locker,
retrieve the disc that came with the camera, and redo this using
Pentax’s version of silkypiks.


Or you could pretend that it's the 21st century and just download the 
software from here:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/download_digital.html

Windows:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/silkypix3_win.html

Mac:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/silkypix3_mac.html


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Re: Another test - Pixel Shift

[Brian Walters]

Interesting comparisons. I see a small but noticeable improvement in
detail  in Image 3 compared with image 1.

If I recall correctly, Ricoh's implementation of pixel shift produces
images with the same pixel dimensions as a 'normal' image but with
increased detail. This contrasts with the Olympus implementation which
produces images about 4 times (in area) that of the 'normal' file.  I
just bought an E-M5 MkII but I'm yet to test its pixel shift capability.
 I'm not sure it's something I'd use often anyway.


Cheers
 
Brian

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On Fri, Jan 6, 2017, at 04:00 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
> Been done before I am sure. I had heard since forever that LR could not
> take advantage of pixel-shifted files from the K-3ii or K-1.  But I saw a
> discussion recently that implied to me that LR did work.
> As part of my recent look at the Leica-M adapter for K mount, I shot some
> of the images with pixel shift turned ON.
> 
> Following a recent discussion on a Facebook pentax group, I did a bit
> more and a comparison.
> 
> 1. Pixel shift does seem to make a difference in resolution. My test was
> not the best.
> 2. Pixel shift -> files about 3.5 times the size of a “normal” K-1 DNG.
> 3. Lightroom does not know how to process such files.
> 4. Lightroom generates color artifacts when processing such images.
> 5. If the weather ever warms up I’ll go to the storage locker, retrieve
> the disc that came with the camera, and redo this using Pentax’s version
> of silkypiks.
> 
> The link below takes you to the first of three images.
> 
> Image 1: a regular K-1 DNG
> Image 2: a K-1 image with no changes to settings etc. except that Pixel
> Shift was ON - image file stored as DNG
> Image 3: the same image capture as in # 2, but this time I did an
> in-camera processing of the file to create a TIFF file.
> 
> The linked images are a smallish crop of the original images.
> 
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/h80f3d918#h80f3d918
> 
> stan
> 
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Re: test

[Jack Davis]

Ya' past, Ann! Congrats!

J

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> 
> test
> 
> 
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Re: test

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On 1/6/2017 11:23 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

test


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Another test - Pixel Shift

[Stanley Halpin]

Been done before I am sure. I had heard since forever that LR could not take 
advantage of pixel-shifted files from the K-3ii or K-1.  But I saw a discussion 
recently that implied to me that LR did work.
As part of my recent look at the Leica-M adapter for K mount, I shot some of 
the images with pixel shift turned ON.

Following a recent discussion on a Facebook pentax group, I did a bit more and 
a comparison.

1. Pixel shift does seem to make a difference in resolution. My test was not 
the best.
2. Pixel shift -> files about 3.5 times the size of a “normal” K-1 DNG.
3. Lightroom does not know how to process such files.
4. Lightroom generates color artifacts when processing such images.
5. If the weather ever warms up I’ll go to the storage locker, retrieve the 
disc that came with the camera, and redo this using Pentax’s version of 
silkypiks.

The link below takes you to the first of three images.

Image 1: a regular K-1 DNG
Image 2: a K-1 image with no changes to settings etc. except that Pixel Shift 
was ON - image file stored as DNG
Image 3: the same image capture as in # 2, but this time I did an in-camera 
processing of the file to create a TIFF file.

The linked images are a smallish crop of the original images.

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p566717840/h80f3d918#h80f3d918

stan


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Re: Lens test from the 67 days

[Zos Xavius]

Those tests are based upon a 35mm 6mp sensor monochrome astro sensor.
I think they are suspect. How can we know focus was perfect with each
one with no live view? I think the 67 lenses should do a little better
here. They might not be enough for a 36mp sensor, but they should be
resolving more than 6mp on FF. If you extrapolate and enlarge the area
to cover 6x7 that would indicate they are resolving less than 12mp if
you had a 6x7 sensor since 35mm has a 2x crop factor.

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Collin B  wrote:
> www.narrowbandimaging.com/images/pentax_67_lens_tests.pdf
>
> Just in case you want to put one on your K1.
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Lens test from the 67 days

[Collin B]

www.narrowbandimaging.com/images/pentax_67_lens_tests.pdf

Just in case you want to put one on your K1.


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Re: k-1 square crop test

[P.J. Alling]

Well, there you go screwing up my beautiful theory, with pesky facts.

On 10/23/2016 10:18 AM, Alex Sarbu wrote:

I've done some pseudo-investigation (actually, just opened a 1:1 RAW
in Silkypix and Pentax DCU).
They're saving the entire 3:2 frame, but with a tag for 1:1 cropping;
so you can recover the "extra" data - assuming your preferred image
processing software's crop tool supports this operation.
Silkypix does, and so does the Pentax DCU.

Of course, for JPEG there's nothing to recover.

Alex

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 3:11 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

I'm sorry, I may have slandered the wrong group of idiots, the thread that
gave me a headache was on dpReview, the Pentax Fora thread was slightly
less, err, horrible...


On 10/23/2016 8:06 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little
research...

After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.

Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance on
the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many possible sub
atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.

Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason
rationally, whichever.

I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see any
particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the files
don't seem to be any smaller.

The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with the
APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know anything, I'll
assume that the firmware simply throws away anything outside the 24mmx24mm
square, much as it does the information outside the APS-C crop, so it's not
recoverable.

In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is probable
that the camera really is only reading the center crop portion.  I have no
actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are similar though not as great
performance improvements then I expect the same is true in this mode as in
APS-C.

One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient for
1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware update was
rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next release.  Either
that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the files are all on the
small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the normal range for biggish K-3
files, but you just didn't notice.

So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it isn't
there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real advantage to
using 1:1 crop mode*.


*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried
photographing in square crop mode.

On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. two
people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where they
leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any easy
way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to either
side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would have been
better off shooting uncropped.

If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it
would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly in
the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames and
cropping them square.





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Re: k-1 square crop test

[Ken Waller]

Probably has more value for those shooting jpegs and not wanting to do any 
perfecting after capture.


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com>
>Subject: k-1 square crop test
>
>When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
>photographing in square crop mode.
>
>On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
>two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where 
>they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
>On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
>easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to 
>either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would 
>have been better off shooting uncropped.
>
>If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it 
>would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly 
>in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames 
>and cropping them square.
>
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Re: k-1 square crop test

[Jos from Holland]

I came to following observations:

1. With FF lens and K1 in 1:1 cropmode makes little sense as indicated
   by others.
2. With APS-C lens and K1 in 1:1 cropmode, there can be the advantage
   of using the whole image circle.
3. However, many lenses do not offer the whole image circle to the
   sensor. First, the tulip-shaped sun-hood  is optimized for maximum
   shading. This can result in an image circle of roughly 3:2.
4. My Sigma 8-18mm has this and the hood is fixed to the lens so cannot
   be taken off without damage.
5. Second, My Pentax-K 135mm/2.5 even w/o lenshood projects 3:2 on the
   sensor, due to build in window to reduce unwanted reflections. This
   is a FF lens, but I expect there will be APS-C lenses with a 3:2
   window too.
6. For the optical view finder, the cropmodes are only an overlay with
   thick border lines, with APS-C lens, this helps somewhat in judging
   what will be in the final image.
7. APS-C crop mode on the live view display, fills the screen with the
   image that will be recorded. That is better than the OVF
8. 1:1 crop mode (w APS-C lens) on live view display shows the image
   limited in horizontal direction by the crop mode and in vertical
   direction by the crop mode or by the lens, whichever is smaller.

Greetz, Jos

On 23-Oct-16 14:06, P.J. Alling wrote:
I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little 
research...


After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to 
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.


Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance 
on the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many 
possible sub atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.


Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason 
rationally, whichever.


I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see 
any particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the 
files don't seem to be any smaller.


The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with 
the APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know 
anything, I'll assume that the firmware simply throws away anything 
outside the 24mmx24mm square, much as it does the information outside 
the APS-C crop, so it's not recoverable.


In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is 
probable that the camera really is only reading the center crop 
portion.  I have no actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are 
similar though not as great performance improvements then I expect the 
same is true in this mode as in APS-C.


One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient 
for 1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware 
update was rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next 
release.  Either that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the 
files are all on the small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the 
normal range for biggish K-3 files, but you just didn't notice.


So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it 
isn't there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real 
advantage to using 1:1 crop mode*.



*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, 
where they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off 
to either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I 
would have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) 
it would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more 
importantly in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a 
bunch of frames and cropping them square.







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Re: k-1 square crop test

[Alex Sarbu]

I've done some pseudo-investigation (actually, just opened a 1:1 RAW
in Silkypix and Pentax DCU).
They're saving the entire 3:2 frame, but with a tag for 1:1 cropping;
so you can recover the "extra" data - assuming your preferred image
processing software's crop tool supports this operation.
Silkypix does, and so does the Pentax DCU.

Of course, for JPEG there's nothing to recover.

Alex

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 3:11 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> I'm sorry, I may have slandered the wrong group of idiots, the thread that
> gave me a headache was on dpReview, the Pentax Fora thread was slightly
> less, err, horrible...
>
>
> On 10/23/2016 8:06 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little
>> research...
>>
>> After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to
>> yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.
>>
>> Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance on
>> the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many possible sub
>> atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.
>>
>> Ultimately headache inducing.
>>
>> Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason
>> rationally, whichever.
>>
>> I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see any
>> particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the files
>> don't seem to be any smaller.
>>
>> The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with the
>> APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know anything, I'll
>> assume that the firmware simply throws away anything outside the 24mmx24mm
>> square, much as it does the information outside the APS-C crop, so it's not
>> recoverable.
>>
>> In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is probable
>> that the camera really is only reading the center crop portion.  I have no
>> actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are similar though not as great
>> performance improvements then I expect the same is true in this mode as in
>> APS-C.
>>
>> One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient for
>> 1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware update was
>> rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next release.  Either
>> that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the files are all on the
>> small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the normal range for biggish K-3
>> files, but you just didn't notice.
>>
>> So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it isn't
>> there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real advantage to
>> using 1:1 crop mode*.
>>
>>
>> *I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried
>>> photographing in square crop mode.
>>>
>>> On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. two
>>> people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where they
>>> leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
>>> On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any easy
>>> way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to either
>>> side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would have been
>>> better off shooting uncropped.
>>>
>>> If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it
>>> would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly in
>>> the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames and
>>> cropping them square.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: k-1 square crop test

[P.J. Alling]

I'm sorry, I may have slandered the wrong group of idiots, the thread 
that gave me a headache was on dpReview, the Pentax Fora thread was 
slightly less, err, horrible...


On 10/23/2016 8:06 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little 
research...


After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to 
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.


Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance 
on the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many 
possible sub atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.


Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason 
rationally, whichever.


I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see 
any particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the 
files don't seem to be any smaller.


The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with 
the APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know 
anything, I'll assume that the firmware simply throws away anything 
outside the 24mmx24mm square, much as it does the information outside 
the APS-C crop, so it's not recoverable.


In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is 
probable that the camera really is only reading the center crop 
portion.  I have no actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are 
similar though not as great performance improvements then I expect the 
same is true in this mode as in APS-C.


One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient 
for 1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware 
update was rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next 
release.  Either that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the 
files are all on the small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the 
normal range for biggish K-3 files, but you just didn't notice.


So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it 
isn't there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real 
advantage to using 1:1 crop mode*.



*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, 
where they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off 
to either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I 
would have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) 
it would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more 
importantly in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a 
bunch of frames and cropping them square.








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Re: k-1 square crop test

[P.J. Alling]

I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little 
research...


After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to 
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.


Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance on 
the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many possible 
sub atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.


Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason 
rationally, whichever.


I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see any 
particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the files 
don't seem to be any smaller.


The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with the 
APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know anything, 
I'll assume that the firmware simply throws away anything outside the 
24mmx24mm square, much as it does the information outside the APS-C 
crop, so it's not recoverable.


In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is probable 
that the camera really is only reading the center crop portion.  I have 
no actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are similar though not as 
great performance improvements then I expect the same is true in this 
mode as in APS-C.


One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient for 
1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware update 
was rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next release.  
Either that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the files are 
all on the small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the normal range 
for biggish K-3 files, but you just didn't notice.


So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it 
isn't there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real 
advantage to using 1:1 crop mode*.



*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, 
where they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off 
to either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I 
would have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it 
would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more 
importantly in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a 
bunch of frames and cropping them square.





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k-1 square crop test

[Larry Colen]

When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where 
they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to 
either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would 
have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it 
would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly 
in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames 
and cropping them square.


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RE: Test image: Out In The Field Take 2

[Malcolm Smith]

Larry Colen wrote:

> Test link 2: http://flic.kr/p/MEp6SQ

You're still keeping the critics at bay.

Another nice shot.

Thank you Larry. Just pleased at the moment that links work as they should.

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Re: Test image: Out In The Field Take 2

[Larry Colen]

Malcolm Smith wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:

That's a real chestnut!

Very much so.

Test link 2: http://flic.kr/p/MEp6SQ


You're still keeping the critics at bay.

Another nice shot.



Trying to shorten links as the long ones have a habit of breaking up when
sent. Hopefully this also works, if so, last of the tests and normal PDML
viewing returns.

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RE: Test

[Ken Waller]

Good to hear Malcolm.

-Original Message-
>From: Malcolm Smith <rrve...@virginmedia.com>
>Subject: RE: Test
>
>Ken Waller wrote:
>
>Essay, Q and A or multiple choice ?
>
>
>At long last sorted, but I've had no outgoing e-mail since the end of
>August!
>
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RE: Test image: Out In The Field Take 2

[Malcolm Smith]

Stanley Halpin wrote:

Works fine from this end.

Thanks!

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Re: Test image: Out In The Field Take 2

[Stanley Halpin]

Works fine from this end.

stan

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Malcolm Smith <rrve...@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> That's a real chestnut!
> 
> Very much so.
> 
> Test link 2: http://flic.kr/p/MEp6SQ
> 
> Trying to shorten links as the long ones have a habit of breaking up when
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> viewing returns.
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RE: Test image: Out In The Field Take 2

[Malcolm Smith]

Larry Colen wrote:

That's a real chestnut!

Very much so.

Test link 2: http://flic.kr/p/MEp6SQ

Trying to shorten links as the long ones have a habit of breaking up when
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Re: Test image: Out In The Field

[Larry Colen]

On October 3, 2016 2:09:04 AM PDT, Malcolm Smith <rrve...@virginmedia.com> 
wrote:
>Whilst in the electronic wilderness of no e-mail, I have been working
>slowly
>on a website. Following advice here, I opted for Smugmug account.
>
> 
>
>In the meantime whilst I get things going, I've opened a Flickr account
>to
>post things day to day. 
>
> 
>
>First image as a test:
>
> 
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/143966226@N06/29970588752/in/dateposted-public
>/
That's a real chestnut!

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Test image: Out In The Field

[Malcolm Smith]

Whilst in the electronic wilderness of no e-mail, I have been working slowly
on a website. Following advice here, I opted for Smugmug account.

 

In the meantime whilst I get things going, I've opened a Flickr account to
post things day to day. 

 

First image as a test:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/143966226@N06/29970588752/in/dateposted-public
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RE: Test

[Malcolm Smith]

Ken Waller wrote:

Essay, Q and A or multiple choice ?


At long last sorted, but I've had no outgoing e-mail since the end of
August!

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Re: Test

[Ken Waller]

Essay, Q and A or multiple choice ?

-Original Message-
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>Sent: Oct 2, 2016 2:07 PM
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>Subject: Test



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RE: Test

[Malcolm Smith]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

You pass.

Finally!

Thanks Dan.

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Re: Test

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You pass.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Test

[Malcolm Smith]

 

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K-1 firmware 1.30 crop mode test

[Jos from Holland]

I tested crop mode as follows:

K-1 with Sigma APS-C lens 8-16mm @ 16 mm
(@ 16mm the Sigma covers FF)

3 pictures of bookshelves filled with books:
FF gives 44.5 MB
APS-C mode gives 22.2 MB
1:1 mode gives 45 MB

So Mark Roberts suggestion is right: the camera adds just a cropping 
specification to the raw file.
I expect, when shooting JPG there will be a proportional file size reduction 
comparing 1:1 to FF



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Re: OT English test

[Jostein Øksne]

Well your Norwegian accent is about as good as my Russian accent I guess. :-D 
Jostein 

Den 14. juli 2016 06.27.31 CEST, skrev Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>:
>That's not a fair comparison. However, I still remember you making
>good fun of me trying to pronounce your name without distortion...
>Seems I couldn't quite manage it though :-).
>
>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jostein Øksne <p...@alunfoto.no>
>wrote:
>> My Russian accent is abysmal.
>> Jostein
>>
>> Den 13. juli 2016 20.14.40 CEST, skrev Boris Liberman
><bori...@gmail.com>:
>>>The sad part about these tests is that they don't help me to improve
>>>on my bloody Russian accent... Thick and heavy as it is... Jostein
>>>wins hands down here... :-)
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:09 PM, mike wilson
><m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> I managed 40,100 on the academic test.  I deny all knowledge of
>>>diddling Mrs
>>>> Slocombe's pussy.  I am also impressed (but not surprised) by Boris
>>>and
>>>> Jostein's scores.
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 July 2016 at 12:13 Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are very impressive numbers for non-native speakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is what I believe to be a more accurate test, relying on
>>>honesty, here.
>>>>> It also discusses the methodology used, and feeds the results back
>>>into itself
>>>>> - it is part of an academic research project.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://testyourvocab.com
>>>>>
>>>>> I do better on this one than on the one Mike posted, therefore I
>>>consider this
>>>>> one to be definitive, professional and accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Px53b_prc
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:02, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 22200 here... Some words I saw for the first time ever...
>>>>> >> On 13 Jul 2016 11:47, "Jostein Øksne" <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'll hang with you, Alan.
>>>>> >> 22350
>>>>> >> Jostein
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Den 13. juli 2016 06.59.24 CEST, skrev Alan C
><c...@lantic.net>:
>>>>> >>> 22950
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Alan C
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> -Original Message-
>>>>> >>> From: mike wilson
>>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:52 PM
>>>>> >>> To: pdml
>>>>> >>> Subject: OT English test
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It's actually an American test but we can forgive a few
>spelling
>>>>> >>> mistakes...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I'm not sure that some of the options are the best
>syn/antonyms
>>>to
>>>>> >>> offer and
>>>>> >>> I've no idea what the scoring system is but it's reasonable
>fun.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> http://www.arealme.com/vocabulary-size-test/en/
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 30150
>>>>
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Re: OT English test

[Christine Aguila]

Forgot to note I scored 29,000 plus, nearing 30,000, can’t remember the score.  


> On Jul 14, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Christine Aguila <christ...@caguila.com> wrote:
> 
> Mine too :-)  Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jostein Øksne <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
>> 
>> My Russian accent is abysmal.
>> Jostein 
>> 
>> Den 13. juli 2016 20.14.40 CEST, skrev Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>:
>>> The sad part about these tests is that they don't help me to improve
>>> on my bloody Russian accent... Thick and heavy as it is... Jostein
>>> wins hands down here... :-)
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:09 PM, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I managed 40,100 on the academic test.  I deny all knowledge of
>>> diddling Mrs
>>>> Slocombe's pussy.  I am also impressed (but not surprised) by Boris
>>> and
>>>> Jostein's scores.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 July 2016 at 12:13 Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those are very impressive numbers for non-native speakers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is what I believe to be a more accurate test, relying on
>>> honesty, here.
>>>>> It also discusses the methodology used, and feeds the results back
>>> into itself
>>>>> - it is part of an academic research project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://testyourvocab.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do better on this one than on the one Mike posted, therefore I
>>> consider this
>>>>> one to be definitive, professional and accurate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Px53b_prc
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:02, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 22200 here... Some words I saw for the first time ever...
>>>>>>> On 13 Jul 2016 11:47, "Jostein Øksne" <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'll hang with you, Alan.
>>>>>>> 22350
>>>>>>> Jostein
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Den 13. juli 2016 06.59.24 CEST, skrev Alan C <c...@lantic.net>:
>>>>>>>> 22950
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alan C
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: mike wilson
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:52 PM
>>>>>>>> To: pdml
>>>>>>>> Subject: OT English test
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's actually an American test but we can forgive a few spelling
>>>>>>>> mistakes...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure that some of the options are the best syn/antonyms
>>> to
>>>>>>>> offer and
>>>>>>>> I've no idea what the scoring system is but it's reasonable fun.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://www.arealme.com/vocabulary-size-test/en/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 30150
>>>> 
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Re: OT English test

[Christine Aguila]

Mine too :-)  Cheers, Christine


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jostein Øksne <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
> 
> My Russian accent is abysmal.
> Jostein 
> 
> Den 13. juli 2016 20.14.40 CEST, skrev Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>:
>> The sad part about these tests is that they don't help me to improve
>> on my bloody Russian accent... Thick and heavy as it is... Jostein
>> wins hands down here... :-)
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:09 PM, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I managed 40,100 on the academic test.  I deny all knowledge of
>> diddling Mrs
>>> Slocombe's pussy.  I am also impressed (but not surprised) by Boris
>> and
>>> Jostein's scores.
>>> 
>>>> On 13 July 2016 at 12:13 Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Those are very impressive numbers for non-native speakers.
>>>> 
>>>> There is what I believe to be a more accurate test, relying on
>> honesty, here.
>>>> It also discusses the methodology used, and feeds the results back
>> into itself
>>>> - it is part of an academic research project.
>>>> 
>>>> http://testyourvocab.com
>>>> 
>>>> I do better on this one than on the one Mike posted, therefore I
>> consider this
>>>> one to be definitive, professional and accurate.
>>>> 
>>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Px53b_prc
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:02, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 22200 here... Some words I saw for the first time ever...
>>>>>> On 13 Jul 2016 11:47, "Jostein Øksne" <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll hang with you, Alan.
>>>>>> 22350
>>>>>> Jostein
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Den 13. juli 2016 06.59.24 CEST, skrev Alan C <c...@lantic.net>:
>>>>>>> 22950
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alan C
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: mike wilson
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:52 PM
>>>>>>> To: pdml
>>>>>>> Subject: OT English test
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's actually an American test but we can forgive a few spelling
>>>>>>> mistakes...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not sure that some of the options are the best syn/antonyms
>> to
>>>>>>> offer and
>>>>>>> I've no idea what the scoring system is but it's reasonable fun.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.arealme.com/vocabulary-size-test/en/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 30150
>>> 
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Re: OT English test

[Jaume Lahuerta]

22650.

I must have been lucky with the ones I've chosen randomly...


El Jueves 14 de julio de 2016 6:28, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com> escribió:



That's not a fair comparison. However, I still remember you making
good fun of me trying to pronounce your name without distortion...
Seems I couldn't quite manage it though :-).

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jostein Øksne <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
> My Russian accent is abysmal.
> Jostein
>
> Den 13. juli 2016 20.14.40 CEST, skrev Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>:
>>The sad part about these tests is that they don't help me to improve
>>on my bloody Russian accent... Thick and heavy as it is... Jostein
>>wins hands down here... :-)
>>
>>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:09 PM, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
>>wrote:
>>> I managed 40,100 on the academic test.  I deny all knowledge of
>>diddling Mrs
>>> Slocombe's pussy.  I am also impressed (but not surprised) by Boris
>>and
>>> Jostein's scores.
>>>
>>>> On 13 July 2016 at 12:13 Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those are very impressive numbers for non-native speakers.
>>>>
>>>> There is what I believe to be a more accurate test, relying on
>>honesty, here.
>>>> It also discusses the methodology used, and feeds the results back
>>into itself
>>>> - it is part of an academic research project.
>>>>
>>>> http://testyourvocab.com
>>>>
>>>> I do better on this one than on the one Mike posted, therefore I
>>consider this
>>>> one to be definitive, professional and accurate.
>>>>
>>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Px53b_prc
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> > On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:02, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > 22200 here... Some words I saw for the first time ever...
>>>> >> On 13 Jul 2016 11:47, "Jostein Øksne" <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'll hang with you, Alan.
>>>> >> 22350
>>>> >> Jostein
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Den 13. juli 2016 06.59.24 CEST, skrev Alan C <c...@lantic.net>:
>>>> >>> 22950
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Alan C
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -Original Message-
>>>> >>> From: mike wilson
>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:52 PM
>>>> >>> To: pdml
>>>> >>> Subject: OT English test
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It's actually an American test but we can forgive a few spelling
>>>> >>> mistakes...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm not sure that some of the options are the best syn/antonyms
>>to
>>>> >>> offer and
>>>> >>> I've no idea what the scoring system is but it's reasonable fun.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.arealme.com/vocabulary-size-test/en/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 30150
>>>
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Re: OT English test

[Boris Liberman]

That's not a fair comparison. However, I still remember you making
good fun of me trying to pronounce your name without distortion...
Seems I couldn't quite manage it though :-).

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jostein Øksne <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
> My Russian accent is abysmal.
> Jostein
>
> Den 13. juli 2016 20.14.40 CEST, skrev Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>:
>>The sad part about these tests is that they don't help me to improve
>>on my bloody Russian accent... Thick and heavy as it is... Jostein
>>wins hands down here... :-)
>>
>>On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:09 PM, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
>>wrote:
>>> I managed 40,100 on the academic test.  I deny all knowledge of
>>diddling Mrs
>>> Slocombe's pussy.  I am also impressed (but not surprised) by Boris
>>and
>>> Jostein's scores.
>>>
>>>> On 13 July 2016 at 12:13 Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those are very impressive numbers for non-native speakers.
>>>>
>>>> There is what I believe to be a more accurate test, relying on
>>honesty, here.
>>>> It also discusses the methodology used, and feeds the results back
>>into itself
>>>> - it is part of an academic research project.
>>>>
>>>> http://testyourvocab.com
>>>>
>>>> I do better on this one than on the one Mike posted, therefore I
>>consider this
>>>> one to be definitive, professional and accurate.
>>>>
>>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Px53b_prc
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> > On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:02, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > 22200 here... Some words I saw for the first time ever...
>>>> >> On 13 Jul 2016 11:47, "Jostein Øksne" <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'll hang with you, Alan.
>>>> >> 22350
>>>> >> Jostein
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Den 13. juli 2016 06.59.24 CEST, skrev Alan C <c...@lantic.net>:
>>>> >>> 22950
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Alan C
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -Original Message-
>>>> >>> From: mike wilson
>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:52 PM
>>>> >>> To: pdml
>>>> >>> Subject: OT English test
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It's actually an American test but we can forgive a few spelling
>>>> >>> mistakes...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm not sure that some of the options are the best syn/antonyms
>>to
>>>> >>> offer and
>>>> >>> I've no idea what the scoring system is but it's reasonable fun.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.arealme.com/vocabulary-size-test/en/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 30150
>>>
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Re: OT English test

[Boris Liberman]

That's absolutely natural in such a huge metropolitan city...

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 7/13/2016 12:14 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>> The sad part about these tests is that they don't help me to improve
>> on my bloody Russian accent... Thick and heavy as it is... Jostein
>> wins hands down here... :-)
>
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> recognized you in Chicago.
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RE: OT English test

[John Coyle]

Says my total vocabulary is about 37,000 words.


John in Brisbane




-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W-PDML
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Those are very impressive numbers for non-native speakers.

There is what I believe to be a more accurate test, relying on honesty, here. 
It also discusses the methodology used, and feeds the results back into itself 
- it is part of an academic research project.

http://testyourvocab.com

I do better on this one than on the one Mike posted, therefore I consider this 
one to be definitive, professional and accurate. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Px53b_prc

B

> On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:02, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 22200 here... Some words I saw for the first time ever...
>> On 13 Jul 2016 11:47, "Jostein Øksne" <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
>> 
>> I'll hang with you, Alan.
>> 22350
>> Jostein
>> 
>> Den 13. juli 2016 06.59.24 CEST, skrev Alan C <c...@lantic.net>:
>>> 22950
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: mike wilson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:52 PM
>>> To: pdml
>>> Subject: OT English test
>>> 
>>> It's actually an American test but we can forgive a few spelling 
>>> mistakes...
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure that some of the options are the best syn/antonyms to 
>>> offer and I've no idea what the scoring system is but it's 
>>> reasonable fun.
>>> 
>>> http://www.arealme.com/vocabulary-size-test/en/
>>> 
>>> 30150
>> 
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Re: OT English test

[Bill]

On 7/13/2016 12:14 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

The sad part about these tests is that they don't help me to improve
on my bloody Russian accent... Thick and heavy as it is... Jostein
wins hands down here... :-)


If it hadn't been for the Russian accent and the Pentax, I wouldn't have 
recognized you in Chicago.



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Re: OT English test

[Larry Colen]

mike wilson wrote:

It's actually an American test but we can forgive a few spelling mistakes...

I'm not sure that some of the options are the best syn/antonyms to offer and
I've no idea what the scoring system is but it's reasonable fun.

http://www.arealme.com/vocabulary-size-test/en/


I'm afraid that I lost the page from when I took the quiz. I'm bummed 
that it didn't tell me how many and which ones I missed.  There were two 
words there, one which I was supposed to match, and one that was one of 
the choices, that I had no idea about:  avulse and fugacious. In 
retrospect I should have been able to parse the root of "fugue" out of 
fugacious.


I think that the quiz should also take the time you take to answer into 
account.  I am a lot more fugacious answering the words I know, than the 
ones I need to figure out by parsing their roots.




30150


I think mine was 29,000 and something. Something like 0.12% IIRC. They 
didn't really get challenging until about 30 words into it.






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Re: OT English test

[Yolanda Rowe]

30,500. The website chastised me; it instructed me to slow down.

Yonnie


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 29100
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