Re: free AWS
I've used the technology before and it's great as a hosting service... just wondering how the free service works. In my experience these free services are typically crippled so that you're forced to fork over $$$ after investing time with it. -jmz On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:20 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: It is free to a point. I backup about 1.3 Gigs every night. I keep 15 days of history on their server and they charge us several dollars a month. That is right about 20 gigs of storage for 2 or 3 dollars a month. It was free for a year. It rocks. As I recall they charge for bandwidth and storage. Been using it for year and a half or so. I'm very impressed. Keith Smith --- On *Sun, 8/19/12, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: free AWS To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 9:31 PM Hello, anyone have any experience with free AWS? good/bad/ugly? http://aws.amazon.com/free/ thanks, jmz -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ (602) 492-5749 -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ (602) 492-5749 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Brewer Axes Dot-Com Tax Requirement
http://www.ktar.com/?nid=6sid=1540249 PHOENIX - Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill repealing a year-old law requiring that state income tax returns report and pay sales tax on online purchases. Should attract more web development jobs to Phoenix. -jmz -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: looking for a lawyer who's also geeky...
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: You're better off seeking support from political groups, they will take care of legal fees. I suggest you write a page on your case, including what evidence you have... and maybe I can refer you to someone in state politics. If you have a solid case there is no doubt that someone will pick it up. -jmz On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: We need to sue Maricopa County over a whole slew of outright violations of the election code they want to commit during this election cycle. We have cash :). We can actually work with most specialties; trial experience is necessary but beyond that, grasping the tech issues quickly would be a huge help. This is a simple injunction order with no discovery - we have years of evidence on this agency. Anybody with contacts, sing out! Thanks, Jim Let's use the source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/17758202/Petition-to-Investigate-California-Election-Code-Violations-by-Contra-Costa-GOP Arizona history: http://www.azsos.gov/releases/2006/pressrelease01.htm Arizona Laws: http://law.justia.com/arizona/codes/title16/title16.html In any election for state office, members of the legislature, justices of the supreme court, judges of the court of appeals or statewide initiative or referendum the attorney general may enforce the provisions of this title through civil and criminal actions. In any election for county, city or town office, community college district governing board, judge or a county, city or town initiative or referendum, the appropriate county, city or town attorney may enforce the provisions of this title through civil and criminal actions. In any special district election, the county attorney of any county in which the district or a portion of the district is located or the attorney general may enforce the laws governing such election. I believe this is a civil matter that must first be set forth for action to the Arizona Attorney Generals Office: http://www.azag.gov/ Contact them for more information on how to file a petition or complaint, which must be set forth in an appropriate manner that applies to the statues (referenced above) and meets evidenciary and due process legal statutes. This is doable without an attorney. Examples exist publicly for other pleadings. Terry Goddard is absolutely not the person to talk to for something like this. -jmz We've been down that road with Terry Goddard, and it only ends in tears. Trust me, the solution doesn't lie there. Jim --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: looking for a lawyer who's also geeky...
You're better off seeking support from political groups, they will take care of legal fees. I suggest you write a page on your case, including what evidence you have... and maybe I can refer you to someone in state politics. If you have a solid case there is no doubt that someone will pick it up. -jmz On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: We need to sue Maricopa County over a whole slew of outright violations of the election code they want to commit during this election cycle. We have cash :). We can actually work with most specialties; trial experience is necessary but beyond that, grasping the tech issues quickly would be a huge help. This is a simple injunction order with no discovery - we have years of evidence on this agency. Anybody with contacts, sing out! Thanks, Jim --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Mesh Networking
Hello, Is there anyone on PLUG who has experience setting up Mesh Networking? looking for someone who can do some cost assessment and technological consulting. Feel free to respond to list or off, thanks! -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
exactly. These detractors are like an ostrich telling all the other ostrich to put their head in the sand immediately or face... OFF TOPIC POST!! OMG! thing is though they will not be laughing soon. There is nothing that will unaffected by this including but not limited to 401k plans, govt backed pension plans, state funded welfare plans, mortgaged properties, local job market, etc. so let them filter out. see no evil, hear no evil. then when suddenly something tragic happens they can believe the news story that it was completely unexpected and requires a huge massive bailout of their tax money to fix. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: While we disagree on many political issues, AND I do value you as a technologist. Just filter us out Craig. Hang in there the thread is loosing momentum and then you will have several months of rest before the next big thing comes along. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 5/19/10, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com* wrote: From: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com Subject: Re: Killing PLUG softly To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 9:27 AM On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 08:59 -0700, JD Austin wrote: Honestly Craig have you ever in your entire life been successful to get someone to STFU by demanding they STFU ? I haven't. In fact the more I demand that they STFU the more passionate they get about the subject. Pick a number of how many times you think asking someone to STFU will allow that to be successful :) Telling people to STFU is like throwing water on a grease fire! you're right - I'm unsubscribing - enjoy Question - where would you go for a vigorous and intellectual political debate? clearly not here Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
I didn't know that discussing economics was anathema for PLUG. Economics effects Linux and Linux developers. These subjects are bound to come up, we live all live in Arizona. Secondly, I didn't know that you were an official on these matters. Trying to evoke political correctness might score you points in a university classroom, but not here and most certainly not with anyone I respect. So keep telling everyone how utterly intolerable and blasphemous these very important points are. Anyone with half a brain would take that as a clear signal to listen even closer. Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most likely an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the truth, or even worse is invested in lies. Those people are absolutely dangerous in serious situations and should be avoided in all situations. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jim fa...@cox.net wrote: And the ideologues completely ignore the point - AGAIN! There are important issues that need to be discussed, but the PLUG mailing list is NOT one of the places where those discussions should take place. If you choose to ignore the principles that this mailing list adheres to, you will either drive people away or you will find yourself completely filtered out by a large majority of the people who read this list and expect to find good, honest technology discussions. I guess ignoring everyone else is a hallmark of an ideologue. If they yell louder, or in this case, keep repeating the same irrelevant point, everyone will just have to agree with them. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
here's a good place to start your research: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research82b2 the fact is that Mexico would rather have us support their poor. Many groups have generated reports that Illegal Aliens are beneficial. Despite this, the key word remains: ILLEGAL. The situation has progressed so much that we are actually harboring multi-generational culture that feels entitled to American tax money. The ideology that they use to support this belief is particularly noxious and even some participants on this list appear to be in support of them. -jmz http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research82b2 On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.comwrote: The enormous financial burden like adding $1.5T to the GDP over 10 years? http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/07/local/la-me-immig7-2010jan07 You are a xenophobe and a bigot from what I can gather. So yes, that kind of content in your emails will certainly turn some people off. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, you do realize that by making a statement about filtering you say loud and clear that it's not about annoying emails, its about the content in them. I don't need to say another word, you will be hearing more of this for the simple reason that there is absolutely no way that the people of Arizona are going to continue to tolerate illegal aliens and the enormous financial burden they bring while we cut just about every service to taxpaying citizens. Similar sentiment is emerging in every state. Pretending it's not happening or pretending as if this is some radical viewpoint isn't going to change those fundamental numbers. Some have become very used to this issue behaving in a certain way, but we are *in a completely different situation now*. There is no more funny money and no more credit. So go ahead and pronounce me a heretic. That will speak loudly to the people who want to hear. Im not interested in reaching people like you. Im quite sure Im not the only one who puts zero value on your opinion. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jim fa...@cox.net wrote: Since you obviously continue to not bother even reading, let alone understanding, any position other than your own, since you continue to disrespect everything that this mailing list is intended to, and since you obviously consider your own opinion supremely more important than anyone else, I am happy to exercize my right as a list member to never again have the opportunity to read any of your posts. Good bye, Joshua. Joshua Zeidner wrote: I didn't know that discussing economics was anathema for PLUG. Economics effects Linux and Linux developers. These subjects are bound to come up, we live all live in Arizona. Secondly, I didn't know that you were an official on these matters. Trying to evoke political correctness might score you points in a university classroom, but not here and most certainly not with anyone I respect. So keep telling everyone how utterly intolerable and blasphemous these very important points are. Anyone with half a brain would take that as a clear signal to listen even closer. Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most likely an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the truth, or even worse is invested in lies. Those people are absolutely dangerous in serious situations and should be avoided in all situations. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jim fa...@cox.net mailto:fa...@cox.net wrote: And the ideologues completely ignore the point - AGAIN! There are important issues that need to be discussed, but the PLUG mailing list is NOT one of the places where those discussions should take place. If you choose to ignore the principles that this mailing list adheres to, you will either drive people away or you will find yourself completely filtered out by a large majority of the people who read this list and expect to find good, honest technology discussions. I guess ignoring everyone else is a hallmark of an ideologue. If they yell louder, or in this case, keep repeating the same irrelevant point, everyone will just have to agree with them. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
Interesting. Your team has worn out 'racist' so now you're using 'xenophobe'. I am pro-Immigration, LEGAL immigration. You like UCLA huh? Do you like La Raza too? http://orgs.law.ucla.edu/laraza/Pages/Default.aspx http://orgs.law.ucla.edu/laraza/Pages/Default.aspx -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.comwrote: Yup, no agenda there. I'll take UCLAs research over a blog. Nice words too, 'harboring multi-generational culture'. Like I said, xenophobe. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: here's a good place to start your research: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research82b2 the fact is that Mexico would rather have us support their poor. Many groups have generated reports that Illegal Aliens are beneficial. Despite this, the key word remains: ILLEGAL. The situation has progressed so much that we are actually harboring multi-generational culture that feels entitled to American tax money. The ideology that they use to support this belief is particularly noxious and even some participants on this list appear to be in support of them. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.com wrote: The enormous financial burden like adding $1.5T to the GDP over 10 years? http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/07/local/la-me-immig7-2010jan07 You are a xenophobe and a bigot from what I can gather. So yes, that kind of content in your emails will certainly turn some people off. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, you do realize that by making a statement about filtering you say loud and clear that it's not about annoying emails, its about the content in them. I don't need to say another word, you will be hearing more of this for the simple reason that there is absolutely no way that the people of Arizona are going to continue to tolerate illegal aliens and the enormous financial burden they bring while we cut just about every service to taxpaying citizens. Similar sentiment is emerging in every state. Pretending it's not happening or pretending as if this is some radical viewpoint isn't going to change those fundamental numbers. Some have become very used to this issue behaving in a certain way, but we are *in a completely different situation now*. There is no more funny money and no more credit. So go ahead and pronounce me a heretic. That will speak loudly to the people who want to hear. Im not interested in reaching people like you. Im quite sure Im not the only one who puts zero value on your opinion. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jim fa...@cox.net wrote: Since you obviously continue to not bother even reading, let alone understanding, any position other than your own, since you continue to disrespect everything that this mailing list is intended to, and since you obviously consider your own opinion supremely more important than anyone else, I am happy to exercize my right as a list member to never again have the opportunity to read any of your posts. Good bye, Joshua. Joshua Zeidner wrote: I didn't know that discussing economics was anathema for PLUG. Economics effects Linux and Linux developers. These subjects are bound to come up, we live all live in Arizona. Secondly, I didn't know that you were an official on these matters. Trying to evoke political correctness might score you points in a university classroom, but not here and most certainly not with anyone I respect. So keep telling everyone how utterly intolerable and blasphemous these very important points are. Anyone with half a brain would take that as a clear signal to listen even closer. Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most likely an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the truth, or even worse is invested in lies. Those people are absolutely dangerous in serious situations and should be avoided in all situations. -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jim fa...@cox.net mailto:fa...@cox.net wrote: And the ideologues completely ignore the point - AGAIN! There are important issues that need to be discussed, but the PLUG mailing list is NOT one of the places where those discussions should take place. If you choose to ignore the principles that this mailing list adheres to, you will either drive people away or you will find yourself completely filtered out by a large majority of the people who read this list and expect to find good, honest technology discussions. I guess ignoring everyone else is a hallmark of an ideologue
Re: Killing PLUG softly
then I guess you admit you are alone in your opinions? -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sorry, who is my team? On May 19, 2010 3:38 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. Your team has worn out 'racist' so now you're using 'xenophobe'. I am pro-Immigration, LEGAL immigration. You like UCLA huh? Do you like La Raza too? http://orgs.law.ucla.edu/laraza/Pages/Default.aspx http://orgs.law.ucla.edu/laraza/Pages/Default.aspx -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Matt Iavarone matt.iavar...@gmail.com wrote: Yup, no ag... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
As much as David would like to depict these groups equivalent to The Boy Scouts of America or similar organizations, it should be made abundantly clear what constitutes their politics. Not only do these groups freely demonstrate and organize here, but *they are supported and funded by our STATE UNIVERSITIES*. http://www.public.asu.edu/~mechanet/ http://www.public.asu.edu/~mechanet/ Wake up and smell the coffee. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:03 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: They teach hate and AZTLAN. They teach that this is their land - Mexico. That is unAmerican and if I might say so, racist. What does La Raza stand for? The Race! If I as a white man was to start a group called The Race or something similar like the Aryan Nation which I denounce right here right now, I would be labeled a racist. Watch this video and tell me La Raza is not a problem - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s Tell me we are not traveling full speed towards a race war? Instead of embracing the American dream these groups poison young minds which will ultimately destroy lives. This is America! I'm tired of the bellyaching and all the poor me stuff. This is the land of opportunity. Don't expect a handout and don't expect me to pay our bills. Get up off your lazy behind and make something happen. I worked midnight shift as a police officer so I could attend college during the day. It was hard but that is what it takes. You wants something don't look to the government look to your God and your Savior and get out and pay the price. This is America! If you do not like it here get out. You are dead weight and you are holding those of us of who what REAL change, back. Beleive me you have not experienced anything like a red blooded American that feels he is being wronged. We will right what is wrong with this country and that includes those who have come here illegally. I do not stand alone. The surveys say 50 - 70% of America is behind Arizona. There is a battle line being drawn. What side will you be on? If you are on the side of La Raza you will loose. This is America. If you fly the Mexican flag expect trouble. As a Christian man I believe I am to live in peace with you as much as you will allow. My Bible says in Romans 12: 8 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.. That says it is up to you. I want peace and revival in this land. If you however want trouble that is on your head, and that is what you will get. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, David da...@damnetwork.net* wrote: From: David da...@damnetwork.net Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 9:56 PM Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many other political groups do. David I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: David, Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA right now? -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David da...@damnetwork.nethttp://mc/compose?to=da...@damnetwork.net wrote: Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican. Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm referring to is. David I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Tuna, We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!? The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*. It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground. That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'. -jmz
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. sure as soon as someone gives me an adequate explanation as to why SB1070 is called racist and MEChA is funded by our state university. -jmz -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
clearly they took down some of the content on there, knowing that they were under public scrutiny. the requirements are so low that you can receive funding even if your group is vocally declaring war on the US. Brewer is trying to get this group removed, but she was called 'racist' for removing 'ethnic studies programs' from ASU. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: the link you sent works, but none of the links on the page... on a side note, any group can get started at ASU and receive funding. the requirements are quite low. Eric On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. sure as soon as someone gives me an adequate explanation as to why SB1070 is called racist and MEChA is funded by our state university. -jmz -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:19, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. sure as soon as someone gives me an adequate explanation as to why SB1070 is called racist and MEChA is funded by our state university. -jmz I don't think anyone here is qualified or in authority to address either of those issues :) I'm against state funded special interests whether it's right, left, or racist. Hopefully the current budget crisis will end funding of such groups. JD don't assume anything. There was some foul play recently regarding the organizer, Dan Smeriglio, of the June 5th event. They tried to call him a Neo Nazi. Meanwhile he is having Alan Keyes and Ted Hayes speak. I'm in touch with him and he is a supporter of Israel. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
Deflation is generally not a bad thing for people who save or people who lend (unless the deflation forces a default). It's a bad thing for people who borrow. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: As the Austrians point out, deflation in real terms (not inflicted by the Federal Reserve) is actually a result of the innovation of the free market and the creation of wealth (as individuals create wealth, things become more affordable... think of the cost of a brand new technology, like DDR3, as time progresses, it comes down). So, you are right, we should experience a general deflation as innovation creates wealth, making things more affordable for all. (this includes things like healthcare). Eric On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: On 5/17/10 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: you might see some kind of short term deflation, but any substantial deflation would break us. Any time you have debt, then deflation makes that debt harder to pay. Not only would it be tragic for Americans on a personal level, but on a state and federal level it would be equally disastrous. eg. What would happen if everyone's salary were halved next week? Massive default on mortgages, housing inventory increases, values go down, etc. I would think that deflation might be beneficial, I just don't think its an option (either financially or politically). Most likely they will just print their way out of this, and destroy the dollar in the process. -jmz I have been reading through this and as someone who has an accounting background (thank you GCC), you all have not mentioned one important fact: the rate at which deflation could (or would) occur. A low rate (say under 2% would have minimal effects on the economy in the very short term, it would start making life a litte more difficult with time, but not substantially so. IF, however, the rate if deflation went up or varied wildly over the long term, yeah,, I could see the above scenarios coming to pass. The biggest problem with have in this country is a lack of personal responsibility for ones own actions (including incurring debt). we need to be a lot more responsible and we need to force the states into doing so at their level. 5 years ago, Arizona had 2 billion in excess cash set aside (call it a rainy day fund). the politicians couldn't leave well enough alone and now here we are, suffering a 2.1 billion dollar shortfall for this year alone. California was living on borrowed time ever since gray davis started as governor. Personally, I have gotten rid of all my credit cards (can't have them anyone living on a disability income), I am paying down any debts I have left (just over $3,000 at this point) and will be debt free in 3 years. I view credit as nothing more than a company selling you the money you borrow (debt) and then charging you monthly to be able to use that money. it isn't yours. its a legal scam IMHO anyway, my point is this: deflation might actually be a good thing for this country, if and only if, it can be held to a minimum level for as long as possible. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
The issue of illegal aliens is essentially an enormous financial siphon and legal black hole that is fenced off from public criticism by the (false) pretext of racism. Many different groups use this siphon and legal black hole to their advantage. Naturally such a thing attracts all sorts of characters ranging from economic refugees to mafia drug lords to corrupt bureaucrats. It certainly does not benefit Americans at all. When you calculate cost to tax base, they don't even offer cheap labor. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:00 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 15:45, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: The problem isn't illegal immigration. Its that immigration is illegal. Sorry maybe you didn't know about this but... immigration is not illegal! Foreign born citizens become legal American citizens every single day. Its just that these particular people choose not to go through the process to become legal American citizens. The other possibility is that they're not eligible or don't want fulfill the requirements. Generally, to be eligible for naturalization you must: - Be age 18 or older; - Be a permanent resident for a certain amount of time (usually 5 years but less for some individuals); - Be a person of good moral character; - Have a basic knowledge of U.S. history and government; - Have a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States; and - Be able to read, write, and speak basic English. There are exceptions to this rule for someone who: - Is 55 years old and has been a permanent resident for at least 15 years; or Is 50 years old and has been a permanent resident for at least 20 years; or - Has a permanent physical or mental impairment that makes the individual unable to fulfill these requirements. Lots of documents/videos/etc here that explain it all: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/B3en.pdf --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
do the job the federal PLUG government wont do... jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jim fa...@cox.net wrote: due to repeated inappropriate use of this list, all posts relating to the apple boycott will be filtered to trash. if some members fail to respect the other members of this list, and if the managers of this list fail to take appropriate action, i can and will. Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 14:05 -0500, Alex Dean wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Wake up and smell the coffee. This coffee doesn't smell anything like linux. Can this please be ended? This thread has run its course. obviously you don't understand that JMZ has absolutely no respect for the members of this group and somehow think that his insistent posting of his political views somehow correlates to persuasion. It doesn't persuade me to thinking anything except that they are abusive, obnoxious and irrelevant. Keith to a lesser extent. Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
I agree, the people who are complaining about 'Off Topic' just don't want to hear what is being said. It's a few emails- it's so disastrous? These topics are very much about Arizona, and they WILL effect us all. Some people just want to reify the discussion because thats a very effective way to make it go away. -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I get much good information from PLUG. I get good information from on-topic discussions and off-topic discussions. This is a community and we should talk about everything. Everything includes on and off topic things. We have the political debates once in a while but it always falls to the way side after things ccalm down. If you can't handle this community then find another one. I don't want to see you go but if you can't handle it. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.comwrote: Thanks, Matt. I disagree. plug-discuss is the single most important communication channel for PLUG, bar none. The meetings are very important but the glue that holds the group together is this email list. It is, in my opinion, a weakness of the group that we have not created nor embraced other communication channels. So we are very dependent on this one email list to be the binder that holds Phoenix Linux people together. What makes a group? Communication, interaction, shared purpose, among other things. PLUG is not a legal entity with by-laws or money. There is no marketing budget. This list is it. OK, that sounds a bit dramatic, thinking to highly of PLUG's importance. But, take the this list away and the group will shrink to nearly nothing, if not die. I suppose that would not be a big disaster in the grand scheme of the world or even just Phoenix. But it would be a shame. Alan On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:41 PM, matt.neste...@gmail.com wrote: Allen, Its just email -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:38:34 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Killing PLUG softly I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in discussions about topic W. That topic W may be important, the points and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter. If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the conversation should be about topic A. Etiquette and respect for the community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be minimal. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about some off-topic post. Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main purpose of the community is drowning into the background is disrespectful. Don't do it. For example, it would be rude of me to go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet. Don't do it. - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the destruction of the group's purpose. And only masks it for one person. Same with filters. - Flagging as OT is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless. - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time and smacks of babysitter-ism Do we really need to be forced into good manners? Really? This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux. Period. Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way. To continue all this discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core meaning of the group. Stop. Please. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:38 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 21:30, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, the people who are complaining about 'Off Topic' just don't want to hear what is being said. It's a few emails- it's so disastrous? These topics are very much about Arizona, and they WILL effect us all. Some people just want to reify the discussion because thats a very effective way to make it go away. -jmz I can listen to anyone's viewpoint without being offended but I believe the point about name calling is valid. Whatever we talk about on this mailing list should be done so in a civil and respectful manner. People that get worked up over EMAIL need a few more real problems to put it all in perspective. *It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain* a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle I say let the discussion continue. We are literally in crisis mode in this state and this country. Anyone who is being a disrespectful spammer is going to be quickly blocked. That is their problem. Likewise anyone who is intolerant is going to block everyone and be totally disconnected. That is also their problem. I don't really see any abuse here. Would you rather have a chaotic email forum or a bankrupted state with out of an control criminal element? I think this is an opportunity not only for Arizona, but for Linux. I often wonder why we have the most active LUG in the country... could it be our unique relationship to California and Silicon Valley? There are certainly elements here in our tech scene that see PHX as a colony and a marketing opportunity for Silicon Valley-based products[1]. The Silicon Valley model does not appear to have a bright future at this point. How will this effect adoption and development patterns? What is the best way for Phoenix and AZ to prepare for these changes? Don't think that this is idle talk... discussion leads to discovery, discovery leads to understanding, and understanding leads to policy implementation. And don't assume the brains at the university are going to help here, typically their studies are highly politicized as well. There are many groups here AZ who are very open to ideas on how we can improve our economy here. The ones who have had the mic in the past are typically those who look to California. Maybe that will change. -jmz [1] some point out that Apple is not made in California, but it is most certainly an expression of Californian wealth and outlooks. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 21:52, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I say let the discussion continue. We are literally in crisis mode in this state and this country. Anyone who is being a disrespectful spammer is going to be quickly blocked. That is their problem. Likewise anyone who is intolerant is going to block everyone and be totally disconnected. That is also their problem. I don't really see any abuse here. Would you rather have a chaotic email forum or a bankrupted state with out of an control criminal element? What can you say about the subject that you haven't already? If you're looking to change anyone's mind it is a rarity in this world and never happens by brute force. People have to be receptive to your message and if it's not something they want to hear you'll have to do the bending if you want your message to be received. There is no more brainless fatalistic stupidity than this. Alex said something similar before : Nobody ever convinced anyone of anything by arguing via email. If that is true, then why even participate here? Again you're trying to rationalize the fact that you cannot deal with being exposed to certain information and viewpoints. When someone encounters something new that actually challenges their world view, first they reject it as 'noise', then they argue and reason with it, then they accept it. The issue of illegal aliens is very real and at this point in time, there is no ignoring it. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
yes, you can't have order and build value without a clear sense of membership. wouldn't you agree? -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Jim fa...@cox.net wrote: fine Matt - I will sit here and watch the PLUG mailing list degenerate into everything it was never intended to just because I dont have to read it! Grow up! Linux is based on some serious principles! Isnt it time you exhibited some? matt.neste...@gmail.com wrote: if you don't like what's being said don't read it, but don't censor your fellow plug members from debating. -Matt Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jim fa...@cox.net Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:57:17 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Killing PLUG softly Well said, Alan. I was there when PLUG reformed and watched it grow into a vibrant part of the Linux community. While we all have opinions about a myriad of topics, the binding thread of this part of the Linux community, this mailing list, is not, never was, and never should be a venue for extended discussions of non-Linux-related topics. When I saw a particular discussion devolve into lies and insulting name-calling, I was ashamed! Too bad those who perpetuated that discussion would not or could not act sooner. Here, we are all PLUG! If you dont like being part of PLUG, if you choose to degenerate one of the best parts of PLUG into vile ranting and baseless accusations, spare the rest of us and take your pettiness elsewhere. ::steppiung off the soap box:: Alan Dayley wrote: I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in discussions about topic W. That topic W may be important, the points and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter. If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the conversation should be about topic A. Etiquette and respect for the community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be minimal. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about some off-topic post. Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main purpose of the community is drowning into the background is disrespectful. Don't do it. For example, it would be rude of me to go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet. Don't do it. - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the destruction of the group's purpose. And only masks it for one person. Same with filters. - Flagging as OT is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless. - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time and smacks of babysitter-ism Do we really need to be forced into good manners? Really? This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux. Period. Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way. To continue all this discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core meaning of the group. Stop. Please. Alan --- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 22:03, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: There is no more brainless fatalistic stupidity than this. Alex said something similar before : Nobody ever convinced anyone of anything by arguing via email. If that is true, then why even participate here? Again you're trying to rationalize the fact that you cannot deal with being exposed to certain information and viewpoints. When someone encounters something new that actually challenges their world view, first they reject it as 'noise', then they argue and reason with it, then they accept it. The issue of illegal aliens is very real and at this point in time, there is no ignoring it. -jmz My point is this: If your goal is to persuade people to accept something they obviously don't agree to then how you present your argument is as important as your argument itself. Usually there are points that both sides can agree to such as what you just said: The issue of illegal aliens is very real and at this point in time, there is no ignoring it. There are some people that can never be persuaded to accept the truth when there is only one truth and others that can't see that there are two sides. It is a waste of time after a certain point to try to change their mind further and pressing on just makes it worse. Wouldn't you agree? well thats the risk you take when you participate in a discussion... if you have absolutely no connection to your audience they are going to reject. Waste of time. I don't see anyone doing automated spamming, just some people who want to blow everything out of proportion whenever they encounter an opinion they can't deal with. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Killing PLUG softly
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: On 5/18/10 8:38 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. This is enough. It's just enough. I agree, the OT thread stated above has gone on far too long and caused a lot of unnecessary strife. as for the political (and human) situation we find ourselves in, this quote seems most appropriate: The avalanche has already started... It is too late for the pebbles to vote. - Kosh (babylon 5 tv series season 3) the situation we find ourselves in was long out of our hands before we even became aware of the problem, let alone the nature of the problem. While Im not completely sure you're referring to our budget crisis and the effect of illegal aliens, but it is NOT OUT OF OUR HANDS. We can fix this problem here in Arizona. I simply do not believe that it is a political possibility for California, things are out of their hands there. We have a strong conservative element here, all you need to do is let them do their job. They will clean up town. The problem persists for one simple reason alone: we allow it and we resolve ourselves to it. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Apple products are overpriced and overpromoted anyway. They are a California based company but they certainly do most of their work overseas. The way things are currently going the outsourcing equation will change, and possibly become invalid. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Steve Phariss sphar...@gmail.com wrote: And this is why boycotts are stupid... if you take it to the logical conclusion no one can buy anything. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Nadim Hoque nadimho...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is that Apple is based in california and that's where the design their products. Then again if we were to boycott all of california products wouldn't we have to ban our networking infrastructure because we the hardware is mostly based in california? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Granroth kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.comkurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.com Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:23:48 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? On 5/16/10 12:54 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. What does any of this have to do with Apple? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
well outsourcing is viable if the dollar has overwhelming purchasing power in the target country. This could change sooner rather than later. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this on? Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 12:55 PM Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Apple products are overpriced and overpromoted anyway. They are a California based company but they certainly do most of their work overseas. The way things are currently going the outsourcing equation will change, and possibly become invalid. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Steve Phariss sphar...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=sphar...@gmail.com wrote: And this is why boycotts are stupid... if you take it to the logical conclusion no one can buy anything. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Nadim Hoque nadimho...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=nadimho...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is that Apple is based in california and that's where the design their products. Then again if we were to boycott all of california products wouldn't we have to ban our networking infrastructure because we the hardware is mostly based in california? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Granroth kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.comhttp://mc/compose?to=kurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.com Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:23:48 To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? On 5/16/10 12:54 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. What does any of this have to do with Apple? -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this on? earlier, Joshua Zeidner: Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Apple products are overpriced and overpromoted anyway. They are a California based company but they certainly do most of their work overseas. The way things are currently going the outsourcing equation will change, and possibly become invalid. This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring genie is out of the bottle, and nothing is going to put it back This is how they want it to be viewed, as if outsourcing is inevitable and natural progression. It's anything but that. These trade agreements and the price differentials that make it possible are very much structured by our policy (including military). We give a lot of direct foreign aid to India- why, if they are simultaneously outbidding us in the new international job market? Tell me, as foreign countries assume just about every white collar job imaginable, what are we going to be doing exactly? I think there is the tendency to buy the story from the main stream media. It might seem comfortable to accept the dominant story for the short term, but it suggests many more long term problems. Big problems. -jmz -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I do. So far i find it petty and silly, because so much of their core is Dependant on AZ resources and companies. and responding in knid would be the same.. My apple boycott has nothing to do with LA/Cali being silly and petty and everything to do with the fact that apple keeps doing things that make my skin crawl Well I think its part of the greater program. California is desperate to prove the viability of their technology sector, and the recent shenanigans with Apple were perhaps their last ditch effort to prove to the world that California has some kind of advantage in technology production. It seems scary things are in store for California. Regarding LA/Cali, they are very much damaging AZ with their recent attempts to smear the entire state. I expect more of this kind of garbage for their leadership there, who refuse to represent the middle class and offer excuse after excuse. In general both Apple and Microsoft will continue to get pricier and more legally cumbersome, making Linux more and more attractive. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/17/san-diego-faces-medicine-arizona-residents-cancel-travel-following-boycott/ -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Joshua Zeidner wrote: Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Does anyone else find this ludicrous? -- -Eric 'shubes' -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I agree with most of what you say below, but I think here lies the wishful thinking. This thing is not sustainable even for a few years more. California is *about to default on its debt*... if you think this is the time to sit back and admire your 401k statement, think again. But you're absolutely right, our economy has been gutted. Time to stop making excuses and claiming its 'inevitable'. Eventually the new 'marketing class' will even be out of work. No more bubbles to move to, no more inflated asset classes. What do you think we will all be doing in the future? America has to produce something other than green pieces of paper. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:48 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Theres an old saying.. you get what you pay for when you go with the lowest bidder. I've never seen a case where outsourcing saved company money in the long term. What they save in labor costs they pay for in communication issues and missed deadlines. I've witnessed a huge job slide during my life time. We've lost meat packing, textile, hospitality, construction, plumbing, electrical, agriculture jobs, and a lot more lower level jobs when our government allowed illegal immigrants to stay here unchecked which pushed unskilled Americans out of those jobs. We've lost manufacturing jobs when companies move out of the country. We've lost high tech jobs when they've been outsourced to companies in other countries. We've host high tech jobs by in inflow of H1B's that live here (that companies say they can't survive without) while our white collar unemployment rate climbs. Add on top the most expensive education in the world and you're right.. Big Problems. Eventually many generations from now big business will run out of people to exploit and we can be on a level playing field... or robots will be doing those jobs. To answer your question... haven't you seen Wallee?? We're all going to end up having robots do every conceivable job and lay around like gelatin blobs all day until we're unable to even walk :) Regarding Boycotting.. Any state, company, or other entity that boycotts Arizona businesses for whatever reason will not receive my business. That includes weekend trips to San Diego, Mexico, etc. JD --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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In a deflation scenario, the dollar would buy a lot of code, but it would also bankrupt just about anyone with a mortgage or any other kind of debt. Remember deflated dollars are harder to come by. -jmz - On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help? Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:01 PM On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this on? earlier, Joshua Zeidner: Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Apple products are overpriced and overpromoted anyway. They are a California based company but they certainly do most of their work overseas. The way things are currently going the outsourcing equation will change, and possibly become invalid. This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring genie is out of the bottle, and nothing is going to put it back -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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you might see some kind of short term deflation, but any substantial deflation would break us. Any time you have debt, then deflation makes that debt harder to pay. Not only would it be tragic for Americans on a personal level, but on a state and federal level it would be equally disastrous. eg. What would happen if everyone's salary were halved next week? Massive default on mortgages, housing inventory increases, values go down, etc. I would think that deflation might be beneficial, I just don't think its an option (either financially or politically). Most likely they will just print their way out of this, and destroy the dollar in the process. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I think if taxes were reduced by 25% or even 50% we would see deflation. We need to deflate. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:58 PM In a deflation scenario, the dollar would buy a lot of code, but it would also bankrupt just about anyone with a mortgage or any other kind of debt. Remember deflated dollars are harder to come by. -jmz - On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help? Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com * wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:01 PM On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this on? earlier, Joshua Zeidner: Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Apple products are overpriced and overpromoted anyway. They are a California based company but they certainly do most of their work overseas. The way things are currently going the outsourcing equation will change, and possibly become invalid. This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring genie is out of the bottle, and nothing is going to put it back -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help? herrold, earlier: This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring genie is out of the bottle, and nothing is going to put it back Deflation relative to what? Gold? The CHF? The JPY? The EUR? Why should a loss in purchasing power of a unit amount of one currency affect non-lockstep linked currencies at all? Bretton Woods ended those days Prediction of the path financial markets will take appear to be a multi factor, non-linear problem, with path dependencies. Anyone saying they _know_ otherwise should be encouraged to play against you in a markets simulation where you run a true random strategy. If they can consistently articulate a durable strategy that produces above market gains, follow it What if AZ were the first mover in a economic game where it restricted non-documented guest workers and TX and FL followed suit, but NM and CA did not. Where will budget and employment crises continue longer? I think thats why they made the media $h!tstorm. It poses a huge threat to them, because the fact is, removing illegals is going to be highly beneficial to our local economy. It's much better to be employing tax paying American citizens. Add to that the related problems of crime, drugs, etc. its a clear win for Arizona. They don't want a domino effect happening. It's utterly ridiculous to be paying out so much in unemployment while also paying social service subsidies to non-Americans who work the jobs the unemployed would have. Gov. Arnold's solution to the problem: cut all welfare. If I were a non-billionaire legal Californian, I would be utterly furious. California is quickly degrading, hopefully if we keep doing what we've been doing for the past month or so, we'll be ok. Actually, we'll be a very desirable place to live (this means your house is worth more). -jmz Opinons are cheap; horse races are held regularly to settle differences of opinion as to which of a collection of horses can run the fastest. One problem with the study of economics, and behavioural economics, is that there is no 'experimental lab'; and 'repeatable starting conditions' repetition of history, to settle arguments like this. -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Thats not really deflation... you have to consider purchasing power overseas, etc. which is a function of money supply, interest rates, and other factors. That's just reducing size of government, which I'm in favor of. Real deflation is simply not possible. I think we bought a one way ticket to financial disaster I'm sad to say. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:18 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: We are definitely in a pickle. Maybe it is not as pure as just this simple one item however if my tax burden was reduced by 25% then I would be able to live on 25% less. Isn't that a deflation? The national debt is a real problem. We need to get control of our country and where it is going! Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:13 PM you might see some kind of short term deflation, but any substantial deflation would break us. Any time you have debt, then deflation makes that debt harder to pay. Not only would it be tragic for Americans on a personal level, but on a state and federal level it would be equally disastrous. eg. What would happen if everyone's salary were halved next week? Massive default on mortgages, housing inventory increases, values go down, etc. I would think that deflation might be beneficial, I just don't think its an option (either financially or politically). Most likely they will just print their way out of this, and destroy the dollar in the process. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I think if taxes were reduced by 25% or even 50% we would see deflation. We need to deflate. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jjzeid...@gmail.com * wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:58 PM In a deflation scenario, the dollar would buy a lot of code, but it would also bankrupt just about anyone with a mortgage or any other kind of debt. Remember deflated dollars are harder to come by. -jmz - On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe. What if we were to go into deflation? Wouldn't that help? Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com * wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:01 PM On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: I sure hope outsourcing becomes null and void. What do you base this on? earlier, Joshua Zeidner: Clearly they are doing it for symbolic purposes... which is why we should do it right back to them. Apple products are overpriced and overpromoted anyway. They are a California based company but they certainly do most of their work overseas. The way things are currently going the outsourcing equation will change, and possibly become invalid. This looks like wishful thinking. The outsourcing/offshoring genie is out of the bottle, and nothing is going to put it back -- Russ herrold --- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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BTW, everyone there is going to be a big rally on June 5th ( also another on the 12th) at the AZ Capitol. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ http://www.phoenixrally.com/ It is reported that there will be over 10,000 people there. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:34 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, keith smith wrote: So what would you do if you were in charge? Negative agenda don't resonate with voters, so these need to be 'dressed up' as positives, but I wont sugar coat it here Not suggest that protectionism (here, a boycott) is anything but a distorion of a market based economy Remove 'too big to fail' guarantees, explicit and implicit, from the economic system, and move to a market based economy Not lend money on no security into Western Europe and allow the Greece socialist experiment reform itself without my intervention Not 'juice the stock market' to make people reading their 401k statements feel 'happy' at the expense of eating the heart out of the country's future Not have liability caps on offshore drilling operations Call 'bullsh*t' when people who have not read, or are not intellectionally honest about SB 1270 call it racist or anti-immigrant Vote out and work effectively to remove from influnce people in and out of public office who hide behind lies I am not a libertarian by any stretch of the imagination, but much they have long proposed simply makes sense standing alone -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:26 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I would not say Sheriff Joe is a clown. He is dealing with an area that has been reported to the the kidnap capital of the world. Most of those being kidnapped are illegals. Some are tortured and murdered. Our Sheriff has a touch job. If more commanders of law departments were like him we might have a better handle on things. If you don't want anything to do with Joe then don't break the law. I don't see how he is taking advantage, he is doing what the people want. Now Phil Gordan is another story. Gordan is done. He knows that. The issue is we have to make sure they don't put another idiot in his place. Don't know how many of you live in the city of Phoenix, but things are about to get interesting to say the least. There is a very good chance that we will get something other than a corporate shill this time. -jmz I would agree with your assessment with big business buying the media and the politicians.Solution: make our politicians accountable. The Tucson City Council wanted to play hard ball with the citizens by cutting a large number of officers and fire fighters. They changed their mind after a recall petition was filed. We just have to be diligent and stay diligent. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com* wrote: From: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:04 PM On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 16:24 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I think thats why they made the media $h!tstorm. It poses a huge threat to them, because the fact is, removing illegals is going to be highly beneficial to our local economy. It's much better to be employing tax paying American citizens. Add to that the related problems of crime, drugs, etc. its a clear win for Arizona. They don't want a domino effect happening. It's utterly ridiculous to be paying out so much in unemployment while also paying social service subsidies to non-Americans who work the jobs the unemployed would have. Gov. Arnold's solution to the problem: cut all welfare. If I were a non-billionaire legal Californian, I would be utterly furious. California is quickly degrading, hopefully if we keep doing what we've been doing for the past month or so, we'll be ok. Actually, we'll be a very desirable place to live (this means your house is worth more). I guess I don't understand what any of this has to do with Linux and why it's being discussed except to provide a barometer of people's ability to analyze what has been happening and of course their political views. I would prefer that this entire thread just die. FTR - there's been a war on drugs for 40+ years and it hasn't stopped it. In fact, it's much worse today than ever. A huge number of these so called 'illegals' have left the country, there is no work. Check out all of the 'For Rent' apartments in traditionally Mexican areas - they can't give them away. The problem Arizona has is mostly a perceptual problem because of clowns like Sheriff Joe, Andy Thomas and others who use their power poorly and thus the rest of the country is over-reacting to Arizona's over reaction but the perceptual problem is that the police in Arizona will use this new law to justify profiling and anyone who understands things like DWB understands the problems with profiling. It's not just California and Arizona that are disintegrating - it's the entire country because big business has seized control and the money they can toss around to manipulate politicians, media, laws, etc. have made a complete mess of everything. The truth is that prosperity in America has always been built on the backs of cheap labor and chasing people back to Mexico will do little to bring prosperity to America. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I would urge EVERYONE, even if you're in the outer realms of Arizona (probably means even more to you then) to come to this. I spoke to some organizers and they are busing in people from other states. The whole country is coming to this thing. When is the last time you've even seen your state capitol I was down there the other day when Al Sharpton payed us a visit, there were people waving a USSR flag. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:32 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope everyone on this list will forward this web address to everybody they know and urge everyone to sign this petition. http://www.numbersusa.com/petition?ID=15 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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this is coming from someone who stated that he does not find the actions of this mob to be objectionable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEmez3J4nIwfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEmez3J4nIwfeature=related -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:40 PM, huerta...@gmail.com wrote: It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do with Linux anymore. Sent from my BlackBerry Slowphone provided by Allfail -Original Message- From: j...@actionline.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:32:56 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope everyone on this list will forward this web address to everybody they know and urge everyone to sign this petition. http://www.numbersusa.com/petition?ID=15 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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people living elsewhere don't have a perceptual problem with Arizona. Last time I checked over 65% of the country is in total support of us. You need to stop watching the idiot box. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 00:40 +, huerta...@gmail.com wrote: It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do with Linux anymore. it never did. It does however illustrate the perceptual problem that people living elsewhere have with Arizona. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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and at least half of the people at the Sharpton rally were professional protesters and organizers who certainly were not from here. They told me that Arizona is really part of Mexico and I am standing on their land. I kid you not, they not only believe this, but they actually preach this philosophy. Regarding 10 more states, yes they will try to stop similar legislation and try to turn the entire country into California. Do you want your state to be broke and telling the federal government you will have riots if you don't get a loan? this stuff is serious business. If we have a bad situation here you can be sure that your property value will plummet. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:03 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: And they reported there were 4000 people there. I was there and I think it was 500 - 1000 people in protest of HB1070 the night Al Sharpton came to Phoenix. If we truly get 10,000 people on the 5th that will be history. History is being made in your backyard. We are one of the most conservative states in the US and we have taken a stand. There will be 10 or more states by this time next year. Bring your camcorder and record history. Put your video onto YouTube.com. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 5/17/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:39 PM I would urge EVERYONE, even if you're in the outer realms of Arizona (probably means even more to you then) to come to this. I spoke to some organizers and they are busing in people from other states. The whole country is coming to this thing. When is the last time you've even seen your state capitol I was down there the other day when Al Sharpton payed us a visit, there were people waving a USSR flag. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:32 PM, j...@actionline.comhttp://mc/compose?to=...@actionline.com wrote: This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope everyone on this list will forward this web address to everybody they know and urge everyone to sign this petition. http://www.numbersusa.com/petition?ID=15 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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David, I met Andrea Garcia at the rally, she seemed very concerned about my privacy rights. She assured me that shes a conservative, but shes 'new to the political scene'. What a great time to start your conservative activism and working hard to protect the privacy of the people who are attacking police officers. Thanks for your patriotism, David. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:11 PM, David Huerta huerta...@gmail.com wrote: Spouting broken logic is something I can tolerate, but putting words in my mouth is something that I won't. As a libertarian, I don't like mob mentalities in general is something I am very much against, especially when it leads to violence. I said specifically that I was against laws that are detrimental to federalism and fundamental rights to privacy. Source: http://huertanix.tumblr.com/post/552777872/this-seriously-went-on-for-like-two-days Some of us have more important things to do than play internet superman, so if you want the PLUG mailing list to be your playground, then by all means, take it. Print this email out and stick it on your fridge with a gold star and glow proudly at what you've accomplished on a linux mailing list. The rest of the world has shit to do. Ubsubscried, .dh On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: this is coming from someone who stated that he does not find the actions of this mob to be objectionable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEmez3J4nIwfeature=related -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:40 PM, huerta...@gmail.com wrote: It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do with Linux anymore. Sent from my BlackBerry Slowphone provided by Allfail -Original Message- From: j...@actionline.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:32:56 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is Off Topic. http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the nine years I've lived in Arizona. I hope everyone on this list will forward this web address to everybody they know and urge everyone to sign this petition. http://www.numbersusa.com/petition?ID=15 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- [.dh] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:08 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: http://huertanix.tumblr.com wrote: Ubsubscried, What does Ubsubscried mean? It means: I'm going to throw a hissy fit if anyone calls illegal aliens what they are. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
Tuna, We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!? The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*. It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground. That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: /| ___ / | __-- --__ |\ | \_----_ / | |)\/ | \__/ / ) ,-` / 0 .. 0 | / /| | , \ ,__ / | \/ | \ ```) \__/ ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public domain. Congrats, Zeidner. Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. -jmz -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To the rest, you're trying to tell me a few emails in your inbox is so absolutely painful you're going to throw a fit or something? no, you just don't like what is being said... but guess what- this issue is now front and center and as far as I'm concerned there is no controversy here if you are an concerned Arizonan. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Tuna, We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!? The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*. It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground. That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: /| ___ / | __-- --__ |\ | \_----_ / | |)\/ | \__/ / ) ,-` / 0 .. 0 | / /| | , \ ,__ / | \/ | \ ```) \__/ ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public domain. Congrats, Zeidner. Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. -jmz -- -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
David, Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA right now? -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote: Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican. Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm referring to is. David I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Tuna, We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!? The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*. It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground. That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: /| ___ / | __-- --__ |\ | \_----_ / | |)\/ | \__/ / ) ,-` / 0 .. 0 | / /| | , \ ,__ / | \/ | \ ```) \__/ ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public domain. Congrats, Zeidner. Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. -jmz -- -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
Will you condemn and denounce them? simple question. We're not comparing to other groups. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:56 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote: Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many other political groups do. David I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: David, Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA right now? -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote: Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican. Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm referring to is. David I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Tuna, We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!? The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*. It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground. That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: /| ___ / | __-- --__ |\ | \_----_ / | |)\/ | \__/ / ) ,-` / 0 .. 0 | / /| | , \ ,__ / | \/ | \ ```) \__/ ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public domain. Congrats, Zeidner. Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. -jmz -- -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I can respect that Tuna, but keep in mind that people say politically charged things all the time here without problem. It's when we arrive at loaded topics like illegal aliens that suddenly registers as 'trolling'. The fact is this issue effects us all, even as developers or Linux users, and most certainly as Arizonan residents. Trying to blot out the discussion is just as caustic. The fact that David seems tacitly supportive of groups like La Raza make it even more alarming. I don't see why people who hold perfectly valid opinions with regards to illegal aliens should feel alienated *in their own country*. Enough of this PC crap. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Mon May 17 21:44:38 -0700 2010: To the rest, you're trying to tell me a few emails in your inbox is so absolutely painful you're going to throw a fit or something? At the time of writing, this thread is 67 messages long. That's more than a few. Easy to ignore in my GMail-style threaded email client, although it does take about a minute to open this thread. no, you just don't like what is being said... but guess what- this issue is now front and center and as far as I'm concerned there is no controversy here if you are an concerned Arizonan. It's not that we don't like it, or even that we don't care. It's simply the wrong place, and therefore trolling. We respect your political opinions, and many of us may even agree. But please, not on plug-discuss. This is not your personal enraged-chain-mail-list, or your television audience. This is a (shrinking) group of hobbyists and professionals that like to talk about Linux. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Tuna, We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!? The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*. It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground. That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: /| ___ / | __-- --__ |\ | \_----_ / | |)\/ | \__/ / ) ,-` / 0 .. 0 | / /| | , \ ,__ / | \/ | \ ```) \__/ ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public domain. Congrats, Zeidner. Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. -jmz -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
you either support their politics or you don't. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will assume that you do support them if you fail to provide a decisive answer to the question. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:21 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net wrote: And I asked why. An even simpler question to answer, it would seem. David I find your lack of faith disturbing --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Will you condemn and denounce them? simple question. We're not comparing to other groups. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:56 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net da...@damnetwork.net wrote: Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many other political groups do. David I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: David, Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA right now? -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David da...@damnetwork.net da...@damnetwork.net wrote: Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican. Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm referring to is. David I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Darth Vader On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: Tuna, We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!? The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*. It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground. That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'. -jmz On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com t...@supertunaman.com wrote: /| ___ / | __-- --__ |\ | \_----_ / | |)\/ | \__/ / ) ,-` / 0 .. 0 | / /| | , \ ,__ / | \/ | \ ```) \__/ ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public domain. Congrats, Zeidner. Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010: Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. -jmz -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: I don't see why people who hold perfectly valid opinions with regards to illegal aliens should feel alienated *in their own country*. Enough of this PC crap. -jmz No question the topic swelled to 70+ posts because many find this more inflammatory than others. it's inflammatory because it's an open wound. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
Hello PLUG, I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent Los Angeles boycott of Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html Hopefully they will choose Linux. -jmz -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Need Linux Freelancer
Lisa, Im currently looking for work... jmz On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: Hi! I need a Linux freelancer for a business associate of mine? We want a tough skinned energetic youth who can build configure and troubleshoot linux white box and corporate systems on call in conjunction with an off shore company. Hours are not guarenteed but some work is remote. Must be available weekdays and commit to a response schedule. -- Office: (480)307-8707 ATT: (503)754-4452 Systems Engineer Ivedasolutions.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ (602) 492-5749 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: A programming language for learning (Was: Re: )
didn't say it wasn't useful ;) -jmz On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:38 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Perl isn't the first language I would recommended for a newbie but I can't think of a more versatile language. There are perl modules for just about anything. On Feb 20, 2010 10:14 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say the best language to learn first is the one that makes the project useful. What is the project you want to attack? I enjoyed learning C/C++ first, but OOP evangelists would disagree. :) Eric On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: one of the best ... -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: A programming language for learning (Was: Re: )
something interesting, a graph of code statistics by language use: http://www.google.com/buzz/jjzeidner/1prxvbtV7SF/https-www-ohloh-net-languages-compare-measure -jmz On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: didn't say it wasn't useful ;) -jmz On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:38 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Perl isn't the first language I would recommended for a newbie but I can't think of a more versatile language. There are perl modules for just about anything. On Feb 20, 2010 10:14 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say the best language to learn first is the one that makes the project useful. What is the project you want to attack? I enjoyed learning C/C++ first, but OOP evangelists would disagree. :) Eric On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: one of the best ... -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I agree with Alan on that one. Python enforces a lot of good habits. Many Universities use it now to teach programming. It's free and its a marketable skill. Perl OTOH is the worst language to learn first. -jmz On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: Python. python.org Python for Software Design: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ Go! Alan On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I want to learn to program. What is a good first language to learn? Could someone give me a place to d/l this language that also has instructional material? Another question I have is: my linux box is not connected to the web; is all I have to do is d/l the *nix version, save it to my flash, and move it over to the ubuntu I have -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Seems like we have a lot of opinions here. Here is a paper from ACM on the use of Python in for teaching programming. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=114017 -jmz On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Austin William Wright diamondma...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: Python. Absolutely NOT PYTHON. It breaks the first two rules of programming, the assignment operator (=) assigns values to a variable, and always ignore whitespace. Well my first two rules, at least. Plus it sucks at consistent use of object-oriented programming. If you *really* need a general-purpose programming language, look at Ruby, it's slightly more well behaved. Slightly. I would recommend Javascript, it's a major programming language, and you can run it in your web browser with literally nothing to install. Plus Javascript is closely related to XML and HTML, while not programming languages, are markup languages (a way of storing data) that is becoming very important to know for many things. Though designed for the web, many of these things are finding themselves become part of everyday computing, especially XML. For these things, http://www.w3schools.com/ is popular. Any scripting language might be a good start at learning about if/then/else logic, but none of these languages are going to teach how computers really *process* or *store* information on the inside (how the CPU executes the program or how variables are stored in memory), or for that matter write an actual interactive computer program, you will need a real language like C or C++. After learning something like Javascript you will find C surprisingly limited in functionality if you try and do things the same way, especially variable-length variables like strings and arrays. Keep that fact in the back of your head for when, if, you attempt C/C++. Whatever you do, Google x tutorial should bring up something good. In the way of books, however, you can't miss ones from O'Reilly ( http://oreilly.com/ ), they are jade/teal and have a random animal on the cover. Austin Wright. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re:
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like we have a lot of opinions here. Here is a paper from ACM on the use of Python in for teaching programming. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=114017 sorry wrong link: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1140123.1140177 -jmz -jmz On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Austin William Wright diamondma...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: Python. Absolutely NOT PYTHON. It breaks the first two rules of programming, the assignment operator (=) assigns values to a variable, and always ignore whitespace. Well my first two rules, at least. Plus it sucks at consistent use of object-oriented programming. If you *really* need a general-purpose programming language, look at Ruby, it's slightly more well behaved. Slightly. I would recommend Javascript, it's a major programming language, and you can run it in your web browser with literally nothing to install. Plus Javascript is closely related to XML and HTML, while not programming languages, are markup languages (a way of storing data) that is becoming very important to know for many things. Though designed for the web, many of these things are finding themselves become part of everyday computing, especially XML. For these things, http://www.w3schools.com/ is popular. Any scripting language might be a good start at learning about if/then/else logic, but none of these languages are going to teach how computers really *process* or *store* information on the inside (how the CPU executes the program or how variables are stored in memory), or for that matter write an actual interactive computer program, you will need a real language like C or C++. After learning something like Javascript you will find C surprisingly limited in functionality if you try and do things the same way, especially variable-length variables like strings and arrays. Keep that fact in the back of your head for when, if, you attempt C/C++. Whatever you do, Google x tutorial should bring up something good. In the way of books, however, you can't miss ones from O'Reilly ( http://oreilly.com/ ), they are jade/teal and have a random animal on the cover. Austin Wright. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: website development seems like the only thing I would want to do so Ruby it is! and that is the typical story with Ruby developers... ;) -jmz Unfortunately, it isn't on my Ubuntuu install. When I tried to start it it told me to apt-get it. No internet connection. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: Let's not devolve into a favorite language war. There are situations where Python is a great language choice, and situations where it's terrible. Every language choice comes down to what you want to accomplish. Some languages are good for rapid development of websites (Ruby, PHP, etc...). Some languages are good for systems management scripts (Python, Perl, etc...). Some languages are good for developing large web systems intended to be maintained for years (Java, others). Some languages are good for developing packaged COTS software (C++, Java, etc...). Some languages are good for system software and embedded devices (C, C++, etc...). Many languages are most useful in very specific niches (Forth, Lisp, ADA, XSLT, LOLCode, Objective-C, etc...) Most languages have multiple areas where they work well, and multiple areas where they're not so good. What exactly you want to accomplish in your software development should drive the language choice, although it rarely does. No one particular language is the best choice for learning how to write software; each type of software development will drive a different choice of the best first language to learn. Mike, you need to specify your goal more precisely in order for the community here to give you a useful recommendation that will help you best accomplish that goal. ==Joseph++ Kevin Fries wrote: Wow, now I know why it is so hard to hire people that are competent! Python is fun, not right, but fun... Thats your argument? If you want to know why we refuse to hire Python programmers at our company, I can give you real facts on why you should not use that language as a place to learn... Not opinions. Kevin Sent from my Nokia phone -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner Sent: 02/20/2010 4:17:23 PM Subject: Re: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like we have a lot of opinions here. Here is a paper from ACM on the use of Python in for teaching programming. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=114017 sorry wrong link: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1140123.1140177 -jmz -jmz On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Austin William Wright diamondma...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: Python. Absolutely NOT PYTHON. It breaks the first two rules of programming, the assignment operator (=) assigns values to a variable, and always ignore whitespace. Well my first two rules, at least. Plus it sucks at consistent use of object-oriented programming. If you *really* need a general-purpose programming language, look at Ruby, it's slightly more well behaved. Slightly. I would recommend Javascript, it's a major programming language, and you can run it in your web browser with literally nothing to install. Plus Javascript is closely related to XML and HTML, while not programming languages, are markup languages (a way of storing data) that is becoming very important to know for many things. Though designed for the web, many of these things are finding themselves become part of everyday computing, especially XML. For these things, http://www.w3schools.com/ is popular. Any scripting language might be a good start at learning about if/then/else logic, but none of these languages are going to teach how computers really *process* or *store* information on the inside (how the CPU executes the program or how variables are stored in memory), or for that matter write an actual interactive computer program, you will need a real language like C or C++. After learning something like Javascript you will find C surprisingly limited in functionality if you try and do things the same way, especially variable-length variables like strings and arrays. Keep that fact in the back of your head for when, if, you attempt C/C++. Whatever you do, Google x tutorial should bring up something good. In the way of books, however, you can't miss ones from O'Reilly ( http://oreilly.com/ ), they are jade/teal and have a random animal on the cover. Austin Wright. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://home.joshuazeidner.com
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someone coming from a C background typically understands a lot more about run-time performance than otherwise... -jmz On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:01 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm old school and would suggest learning plain old C. Then you can branch out to other languages. Keith Smith --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 7:34 PM On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: website development seems like the only thing I would want to do so Ruby it is! and that is the typical story with Ruby developers... ;) -jmz Unfortunately, it isn't on my Ubuntuu install. When I tried to start it it told me to apt-get it. No internet connection. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: Let's not devolve into a favorite language war. There are situations where Python is a great language choice, and situations where it's terrible. Every language choice comes down to what you want to accomplish. Some languages are good for rapid development of websites (Ruby, PHP, etc...). Some languages are good for systems management scripts (Python, Perl, etc...). Some languages are good for developing large web systems intended to be maintained for years (Java, others). Some languages are good for developing packaged COTS software (C++, Java, etc...). Some languages are good for system software and embedded devices (C, C++, etc...). Many languages are most useful in very specific niches (Forth, Lisp, ADA, XSLT, LOLCode, Objective-C, etc...) Most languages have multiple areas where they work well, and multiple areas where they're not so good. What exactly you want to accomplish in your software development should drive the language choice, although it rarely does. No one particular language is the best choice for learning how to write software; each type of software development will drive a different choice of the best first language to learn. Mike, you need to specify your goal more precisely in order for the community here to give you a useful recommendation that will help you best accomplish that goal. ==Joseph++ Kevin Fries wrote: Wow, now I know why it is so hard to hire people that are competent! Python is fun, not right, but fun... Thats your argument? If you want to know why we refuse to hire Python programmers at our company, I can give you real facts on why you should not use that language as a place to learn... Not opinions. Kevin Sent from my Nokia phone -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner Sent: 02/20/2010 4:17:23 PM Subject: Re: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like we have a lot of opinions here. Here is a paper from ACM on the use of Python in for teaching programming. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=114017 sorry wrong link: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1140123.1140177 -jmz -jmz On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Austin William Wright diamondma...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Alan Dayley wrote: Python. Absolutely NOT PYTHON. It breaks the first two rules of programming, the assignment operator (=) assigns values to a variable, and always ignore whitespace. Well my first two rules, at least. Plus it sucks at consistent use of object-oriented programming. If you *really* need a general-purpose programming language, look at Ruby, it's slightly more well behaved. Slightly. I would recommend Javascript, it's a major programming language, and you can run it in your web browser with literally nothing to install. Plus Javascript is closely related to XML and HTML, while not programming languages, are markup languages (a way of storing data) that is becoming very important to know for many things. Though designed for the web, many of these things are finding themselves become part of everyday computing, especially XML. For these things, http://www.w3schools.com/ is popular. Any scripting language might be a good start at learning about if/then/else logic, but none of these languages are going to teach how computers really *process* or *store* information on the inside (how the CPU executes the program or how variables are stored in memory), or for that matter write an actual interactive computer program, you will need a real language like C or C++. After learning something like Javascript you will find C surprisingly limited in functionality if you try and do things the same way, especially
Re: A baby-step in the right direction...
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Brian Cluff br...@snaptek.com wrote: We never did have a single IT person that worked at my school that didn't fall in love with Linux... Even the Windows fanboys eventually enjoyed not having to deal with viruses and such Windows annoyances. The attitude that I HATE to see is when an IT type specifically says that he only installs and recommends Windows, not because it's the best thing for the job or the customer, but that it is the best thing for their job security. They usually even run Linux at home themselves, but they just can't resist a sure thing with having to get paid large amounts of money to come by and clean the gunk out of someone's system a couple of times a year. sounds like our healthcare system... ;) -jmz Personally, I've found that I still get the work when I've installed linux... it's just that the work is a lot more interesting than the same old virus clean out, or system reload. Brian Stu wrote: Our main IT guy once told me he would *love* to see Ubuntu on the company desktops, unfortunately it's not his decision. On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 08:15 -0700, Stephen wrote: After that step is Linux desktop installations :-D On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Stu wie...@cox.net wrote: Thanks! Phase II of my plan is to show it to my co-workers, and get them to request it on their computers as well... Today, the intranet... tomorrow, the WORLD! ...Muwhahahaha! On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 15:37 -0700, AZ RUNE wrote: That is awesome and good work On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Stu wie...@cox.net wrote: Just this past week, I finally convinced our new IT director to install the Windows version of Inkscape on my work computer since I've been using it for the past several years anyway. A baby-step in the right direction for them, and I can finally take my old laptop home! Stu --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://www.google.com/profiles/jjzeidner http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best distribution for an infant :)
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: Suggestion: Don't give her a computer. The best form of education for any child or adult does NOT directly involve computers. She will have computers pushed upon her soon enough, no need to rush it. I second that. My 3-year-old son built a computer for himself by drawing a keyboard on a donut box with crayons. He's 'worked' on his computer many times since then. He's provided detailed explanations from him about what the various buttons do. If you must, to keep her off your keys, just give her an old keyboard. Let her imagination provide the rest of the computer. Another good idea. Keyboards are easy to get at goodwill if you don't already have a spare. Plugging the cord into a cardboard box helps get things rolling. --- I had an electronics set when I was a kid, something like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B683A4?ie=UTF8tag=joshzeid-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B683A4 but not exactly... thats how I learned the basics of logic which led to BASIC, Apple II Assembler, AP Computer Science, and a BS in Computer Science. -jmz -- http://www.google.com/profiles/jjzeidner http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best distribution for an infant :)
there was also a really great game called Rocky's Boots we had on the Apple II+ that was meant to teach about electronics design. http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/831/Rockys+Boots.html -jmz On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: those are cool, they didnt have them when i was a kid... On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: Suggestion: Don't give her a computer. The best form of education for any child or adult does NOT directly involve computers. She will have computers pushed upon her soon enough, no need to rush it. I second that. My 3-year-old son built a computer for himself by drawing a keyboard on a donut box with crayons. He's 'worked' on his computer many times since then. He's provided detailed explanations from him about what the various buttons do. If you must, to keep her off your keys, just give her an old keyboard. Let her imagination provide the rest of the computer. Another good idea. Keyboards are easy to get at goodwill if you don't already have a spare. Plugging the cord into a cardboard box helps get things rolling. --- I had an electronics set when I was a kid, something like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B683A4?ie=UTF8tag=joshzeid-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B683A4 but not exactly... thats how I learned the basics of logic which led to BASIC, Apple II Assembler, AP Computer Science, and a BS in Computer Science. -jmz -- http://www.google.com/profiles/jjzeidner http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://www.google.com/profiles/jjzeidner http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best distribution for an infant :)
no... try an abacus. :) -jmz On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: You're not suggesting that for a 1-year-old, are you? On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: there was also a really great game called Rocky's Boots we had on the Apple II+ that was meant to teach about electronics design. http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/831/Rockys+Boots.html -jmz On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: those are cool, they didnt have them when i was a kid... On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: Suggestion: Don't give her a computer. The best form of education for any child or adult does NOT directly involve computers. She will have computers pushed upon her soon enough, no need to rush it. I second that. My 3-year-old son built a computer for himself by drawing a keyboard on a donut box with crayons. He's 'worked' on his computer many times since then. He's provided detailed explanations from him about what the various buttons do. If you must, to keep her off your keys, just give her an old keyboard. Let her imagination provide the rest of the computer. Another good idea. Keyboards are easy to get at goodwill if you don't already have a spare. Plugging the cord into a cardboard box helps get things rolling. --- I had an electronics set when I was a kid, something like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B683A4?ie=UTF8tag=joshzeid-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B683A4 but not exactly... thats how I learned the basics of logic which led to BASIC, Apple II Assembler, AP Computer Science, and a BS in Computer Science. -jmz -- http://www.google.com/profiles/jjzeidner http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://www.google.com/profiles/jjzeidner http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://www.google.com/profiles/jjzeidner http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Arizona State Library to host *Digital* Bookmobile
I've worked in a university library in College and the public library system in Phx is really very good. Let's hope it stays that way. -jmz On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Bill Lindley wlind...@wlindley.com wrote: I wonder how friendly the collection is to Free Software players? \\/ # # # Arizona State Library to host Digital Bookmobile Download experience promotes free audio books, eBook, music and video downloads The Digital Bookmobile will be open to state employees and the public from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Feb. 16 on the west side of the state Capitol, 1700 W. Washington St. The event is free-of-charge, and presented courtesy of the Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records, and Overdrive Inc. This isn't the bookmobile of old. Instead, the Digital Bookmobile is an immersive download experience - a 74-foot, high-tech tractor-trailer equipped with broadband, Internet-connected computers, HD monitors, premium sound system and a variety of portable media players. Interactive learning stations will give visitors an opportunity to search the State Library's collection of digital media, including eBooks, audio books, music and video. We are thrilled to have this highly visible and useful outreach event, said State Librarian GladysAnn Wells. We hope state employees will learn more about our services. State Library card holders can check out and download digital titles anytime, anywhere by visiting http://overdrive.phoenixpubliclibrary.org or connecting through the Greater Phoenix Digital Library link - www.azlibrary.gov/azlibrary - available on AZlibrary. From there, visitors can browse the growing collection of best-selling new releases and classic titles, and check out a digital title with a valid State Library or other library card. State Library cards are available to state employees who register online at www.lib.az.us/azlibrary/app.aspx Once downloaded, digital titles can be enjoyed on a computer or transferred to supported mobile devices. Many audio titles can also be burned to audio CD. At the end of the 2-week lending period, titles automatically expire and are returned to the digital collection. There are no late fees or penalties for damaged items. About the Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records The Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records, a division of the Secretary of State's Office, serves the information needs of Arizona citizens. Through its divisions, the agency provides access to unique historical and contemporary resources. Its services include: * Archives of historical records in Arizona. * Library development assistance to libraries of all types. * A library for the visually and physically disabled. * A museum on state government history and people of the state. * Public records management program. * A research and law library, including a Federal Regional Depository. In-depth research and reference services are provided in the subject areas of law, government, genealogy and Arizona history and culture. Consultant services are offered to public libraries to strengthen county and local library services, and to government agencies of the cities, counties and state to assist them in the management of official records. State and federal grants for public libraries and other authorized services are administered and monitored. Special library and information services are offered for those who are visually or physically impaired. Linda (SIRLS alumna) Linda Reib Electronic Records Archivist History and Archives Division Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records 1901 W. Madison St. Phoenix, AZ 85009 602.926.3724 Leslie Kent Kunkel, MLS, MBA Assistant Director School of Information Resources and Library Science University of Arizona 1515 East First Street Tucson, Arizona 85719 Voice: (520) 615-0377 FAX: (520) 621-3279 Email: les...@mail.sbs.arizona.edu Arizona State Library to host Digital Bookmobile Download experience promotes free audiobooks, eBook, music and video downloads The Digital Bookmobile will be open to state employees and the public from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Feb. 16 on the west side of the state Capitol, 1700 W. Washington St. The event is free-of-charge, and presented courtesy of the Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records, and Overdrive Inc. This isn't the bookmobile of old. Instead, the Digital Bookmobile is an immersive download experience - a 74-foot, high-tech tractor-trailer equipped with broadband, Internet-connected computers, HD monitors, premium sound system and a variety of portable media players. Interactive learning stations will give visitors an opportunity to search the State Library's collection of digital media, including eBooks, audiobooks, music and video. We are thrilled to have this highly visible and useful outreach event, said State Librarian GladysAnn Wells. We hope state employees will learn more
Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
Hi PHX, Google is running an interesting program, maybe we can get them to deploy in PHX? http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
I guess we can call this preemptive moderation? -jmz On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: May I just say to everyone warming up your keyboards: Stay calm! Be factual! Seek to understand and educate. Alan On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? Alan Im with you on this... the evaporation of our privacy is a very very scary thing and a dangerous threat to our liberty. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
why does FF take up the entire desktop?
Hi, Whenever I maximize Firefox in Ubuntu, it takes up my whole desktop. Its really irritating because I have to press Alt-F9 to minimize it, as the window controls are gone (it super maximizes it, the header on the window is not visible nor is the other Gnome desktop controls). Any ideas on why this is happening? This is the Gnome environment. thanks, jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: why does FF take up the entire desktop?
Thanks to all of you! Pressing f12 solved my problem, but I will try to get a better understanding of the things everyone mentioned. I'm not really a Gnome expert, current circumstance has moved me to Gnome desktop for my regular laptop. -jmz On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: You might also check to see if you are running maximus or some other addon that is mostly intended for netbooks to maximize your use of screen real estate. BTW, that is standard for distros like ubuntu NBR (UNR) On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Whenever I maximize Firefox in Ubuntu, it takes up my whole desktop. Its really irritating because I have to press Alt-F9 to minimize it, as the window controls are gone (it super maximizes it, the header on the window is not visible nor is the other Gnome desktop controls). Any ideas on why this is happening? This is the Gnome environment. thanks, jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: why does FF take up the entire desktop?
sorry folks, thats f11 ! -jmz On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all of you! Pressing f12 solved my problem, but I will try to get a better understanding of the things everyone mentioned. I'm not really a Gnome expert, current circumstance has moved me to Gnome desktop for my regular laptop. -jmz On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: You might also check to see if you are running maximus or some other addon that is mostly intended for netbooks to maximize your use of screen real estate. BTW, that is standard for distros like ubuntu NBR (UNR) On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Whenever I maximize Firefox in Ubuntu, it takes up my whole desktop. Its really irritating because I have to press Alt-F9 to minimize it, as the window controls are gone (it super maximizes it, the header on the window is not visible nor is the other Gnome desktop controls). Any ideas on why this is happening? This is the Gnome environment. thanks, jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: why does FF take up the entire desktop?
Will do! thanks Mike, Kevin, Dale and Dazed_75. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com wrote: Just remember to exit while it is un-maximized, or it will come back again. Good Luck Kevin --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: chess
http://www.chess.com -jmz On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 PM, betty nicepeng...@webcanine.com wrote: my husband is using ubuntu now :)) anyone know a good chess program that has good graphics?? thx betty i. -- betty i. www.webcanine.com information for people who care for dogs. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux Certifications
some interesting info: http://www.odinjobs.com/Systems-Administrator_job_market_overview.html -jmz On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Tyrel Knudsen tyrel.knud...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone on here could give me some ideas on what Linux Certifications would be good for someone going in for an entry-level network administration / technician job. I understand that RHCE is well recognized, but I also saw some other ones. The Linux+ by CompTIA, LPIC by Linux Proffesional Institute, Ubuntu Certified Professional by Canonical, etc. Any ideas on what certifications employers look for, or might just be a good addition would be helpful. Thanks! -Tyrel --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: BOOKS
dont forget Wikibooks! -jmz On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:25 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote: Project Gutenberg is a favorite of mine. Books who's copyrights have expired and have fallen into the public domain make it up there. http://www.gutenberg.org On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:06 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: http://my.safaribooksonline.com/ Though it isn't free. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Steve Phariss sphar...@gmail.com wrote: Try the library website I seem to remember an article talking aobut the services at teh Phoenix library that included books online On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:53 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Could someone point out a website that is like a public library where we can read books online? Google has proven to give me too much junk. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: off topic
they say we havent had this much in 17 years. This might officially end the drought I dont know... jmz On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:33 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: what do you all think of all the rain we've gotten? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: shocking Arizona nazi movement
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:00 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I remember the week or so I moved to Phoenix in october of 90. That week
there was an article in the new times about the nazi movement.
an article in the New Times about racism thats UNTHINKABLE!
-jmz
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Elliot Moore emoore...@gmail.com wrote:
Marco's got a point. Where were these people during Reagan, Bush I and
Bush II's wild spending escapades? Those three presidents put our country
into more debt than all the others COMBINED. The silence was defining in
those years...
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM, Marco Savo savoma...@gmail.com wrote:
My apologize this wasn't the right place for this, just wonted to show
it.
For Jason: Al Jazeera English is the most free news channel at the
moment.
Marco
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Jason Hayes ja...@jasonhayes.org
wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2010 04:33:11 pm Joshua Zeidner wrote:
wow Marco, thanks for that highly inflammatory propaganda designed
to convert fiscal conservative movements into racism and fascism
movements. Well done. And very on topic.
-jmz
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Marco Savo savoma...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXFuZwqGrCUfeature=player_embedded
Al-Jazeera reporting on fascism and racism in the US?!? The irony is so
thick
you can cut it with a knife.
Tempted to add more, but I'll stick with what Joshua said and go
sweat the
rest out in my Kempo class. Good grief!
Jason Hayes
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Re: OT: shocking Arizona nazi movement
wow Marco, thanks for that highly inflammatory propaganda designed
to convert fiscal conservative movements into racism and fascism
movements. Well done. And very on topic.
-jmz
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXFuZwqGrCUfeature=player_embedded
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Re: Is there a faster/better way to ftp?
just tar the files first... -jmz On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: . I'm going through the painfully slow process of moving all of my web files from one web host to another by command line 'ftp mget * download from the old system to 'ftp mput * upload to the new web host. Is there a better/faster way to do this? Is there some way to do entire directories and subdirectories with a single command rather than having to do each subdirectory separately? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Is there a faster/better way to ftp?
probably not possible on a php hosting account. usually requires a shell. in which case your suggestion works. -jmz On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: That would be a better suggestion! Keith Smith --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Is there a faster/better way to ftp? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 2:44 PM just tar the files first... -jmz On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: . I'm going through the painfully slow process of moving all of my web files from one web host to another by command line 'ftp mget * download from the old system to 'ftp mput * upload to the new web host. Is there a better/faster way to do this? Is there some way to do entire directories and subdirectories with a single command rather than having to do each subdirectory separately? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: command line image display options?
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote: What command line syntax could I use to display a jpg image to a specified screen size? I currently use both kview and kuickshow to do this, but when I use: $ kview image.jpg I get the following continuously running warning message: kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. Also, it displays images with a title bar and menu bar that I would like to eliminate. $ kuickshow image.jpg works better without any error or warning message, but still has a title bar that I would like to eliminate. Ideas/suggestions please? you can use Firefox from the command line. ex. firefox 'file:///sample.png' -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: home dir to usb
i am such an idiot on command line stuff.
please excuse my ignorance
i'm sure i know less than you
I'm not sure what, but something seems really out of place here for
PLUG. Maybe there's something in the valley water supply? :)
Happy New Year, -jmz
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Kurt Granroth
kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.com wrote:
OR... maybe better yet, if you want to copy your entire hard drive onto
a bigger one, follow this step-by-step guide (with screenshots!)
http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/showcontent.php?topic=03_Disk_to_disk_clone
On 12/30/09 8:13 PM, Kurt Granroth wrote:
Your advice to use 'dd' was referring to something other than copying
your home directory ;-)
The 'dd' command is as low-level and hard-core as you typically can get.
It is used to make a *perfect* byte-by-byte copy of a file. However,
it's rarely used to make copies of normal files anymore. Instead,
it's used to make copies of block files. That is, all hard drives and
all partitions in the hard drives have a special pseudo file called
/dev/something. So if you want to make a perfect copy of an entire hard
drive (including all file systems with their inodes and logs and
everything), then you use 'dd'. The normal 'cp' and the like can't get
low-level enough to deal with things like that.
('dd', btw, stands for Copy and Convert. Supposedly it was initially
shortened to 'cc' but since that was taken by the compiler, they used
'dd' instead.)
If you want to copy a directory, your best bet is to use 'cp' or
'rsync'. Why the choice? Well, 'cp' is an old-school Unix utility and
it was never built to fully handle directories. The GNU version of 'cp'
(which is what you are using) *can* handle directories and permissions
and the like and so it'll work just fine... but people who have been
around Unix long enough (and those who work on disparate Unix and
Unix-like systems), tend to avoid counting on GNU cp since there's no
guarantee that it'll be on any given system.
'rsync', on the other hand, is nearly ubiquitous and it works awesome
for copying directories. It is, by far, the most common tool used for
copying or backing up entire directory structures.
So you have a couple of choices to make. First, do you want to copy
*everything* off of the old hard drive to a new one? Or do you only
want to copy off the home directory?
In either case, I recommend using 'rsync'. Thar be dragons when using
'dd' and it won't help you much in either case here.
So..
1. Mount your new USB drive and format it as ext3 or ext4. You should
be able to do that in a fairly GUI manner with any half-way modern Linux
desktop.
2. Do you see where the USB drive is mounted? I'll pretend it is
/mnt/usb for this example. Do the following if you are copying over
just your home directory:
$ rsync -azvH /home/stormy /mnt/usb/
If you are copying over your entire hard drive, then:
$ sudo rsync -azvHx --exclude=/proc --exclude=/dev --exclude=/sys /
/mnt/usb/
On 12/30/09 7:13 AM, betty wrote:
i'm sure i know less than you, the advice was to use dd. is one better
than the other?? i'm willing to use whatever will work to copy my home
dir to the new computer so that all my settings are the same.
what would be the command for cp?
thx
betty i
Eric Cope wrote:
please excuse my ignorance, why would cp -r not work?
Eric
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:33 PM, bettynicepeng...@webcanine.com
mailto:nicepeng...@webcanine.com wrote:
I installed the new drive into the new computer. I'm going to
transfer
the home directory to a usb drive and then to the new computer.
This is the command i tried and the result i got.
sto...@stormy-desktop:~$ sudo dd if=/home/stormy of=/dev/sdc1
bs=1024k
[sudo] password for stormy:
dd: reading `/home/stormy': Is a directory
0+0 records in
0+0 records out
0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.000942499 s, 0.0 kB/s
sto...@stormy-desktop:~$
What is wrong there? i am such an idiot on command line stuff. aghhh.
Thanks.
betty i.
Joseph Sinclair wrote:
First, I'd definitely recommend going with a new SATA drive on
the new machine. You'll find everything just works better and the
added reliability of a newer drive makes for a lot less stress
(although regular and frequent backups are definitely the best
peace-of-mind tool).
For the data transfer there are 3 simple options:
1) If you have, or can borrow, a large enough USB drive (flash
or HDD), I'd copy everything (I prefer rsync, but dd is a good
choice too) to the USB drive, then copy from that to the new
computer.
2) Temporarily install the old drive in the new machine on the
ATA (CDROM) interface (if the new machine has an old-style ATA
interface for the CD drives), and copy the data from one drive to
Re: home dir to usb
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net wrote: At 11:09 AM 12/31/2009, you wrote: i am such an idiot on command line stuff. please excuse my ignorance i'm sure i know less than you I'm not sure what, but something seems really out of place here for PLUG. Maybe there's something in the valley water supply? :) snip, snip Something to consider: Maybe it's a good sign..must be more and more non-geeks who are finding Linux...and trying to use it, and have come for help. Hi Lyle, We're certainly in a new phase. I have a friend in Germany (not a geek, she studies medieval lit) and she managed to get Ubuntu up an running and video chatting with me with minimal support and she likes it. Initially I suggested she not try thinking I would be stuck in the defacto support position. Shes done really well with it and I'm really amazed. Slowly she will pick up little skills like using the shell ,etc. I have to say the primary deficiency for The Peoples Linux (volkslinux? :) is good audio and video support. It's just not up to par OTB. Ubuntu should probably concentrate more on laptops, maintaining specialized distros for specific models. I see Google as playing an increasing role in linux adoption, but the expansion of cell devices might actually cut off development of desktop linux. Many PC tasks will be done on a cell phone in the near future. We will reach a point eventually where M$ will get pinned down and the role of linux will change quickly. Their last few years encompassing my time spent contributing to this list have been very bad from a shareholder and customer position. Another interesting point is Europe's role in Linux. Its an important one because they tend to be much tougher on monopolies and abusive corporations. All that needs to happen is have one place where linux becomes an attractive choice, and the global market will shift. M$ has done many things, especially in the third world (Ive mentioned a few before) to prohibit this from happening. But, these activities come at an ever increasing cost. Plain and simple, they are not a nice corporation even though they might contribute to charities and so forth, not to even begin to mention the untold damage done to innovation and the people like you and I that could be contributing to it. -jmz Every end user that can be assured of easy use or solutions to problems just means one more 'walking, talking advertisement' for Linux.. Where else would you have someone go to find these answers - or is it PLUG's idea to keep Linux to themselves? I sincerely doubt that.. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: itsy bitsy CRM .. open and free
I've used Centric CRM. Its an option if you have J2EE skills. Its architecture is more flexible than SugarCRM. The SugarCRM project is really dominated by the SugarCRM corporation so you're not really going to get the FOSS experience there. There's also VTiger which was an early fork of SugarCRM. http://www.ohloh.net/p/vtiger -jmz On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Well i found a link on making Worpress a kind of lightweight CRM: http://chasesagum.com/using-wordpress-as-a-lighweight-crm There there is this Project useing sql lite and PHP: http://code.google.com/p/crm-light/ And there ther is this thing i found as well: http://www.simplecustomer.com/ On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:38 AM, tship...@deru.com wrote: SugarCRM is the first I ran across. My first impression was that it would be too big to use for this job. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:57:55 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: itsy bitsy CRM .. open and free --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: itsy bitsy CRM .. open and free
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: I'm thinking that for this CRM running on a laptop and saving data in Access or SQL Server Lite (or HSQL database engine or touchless MySQL) would be appropriate, so J2EE is a bad sign right there. Hey Trent, last time I looked it wasnt using the heavy duty J2EE components like EJB. At the time it was Struts based (maybe it was using Hibernate I dont recall exactly). As long as they kept EJB out of the equation, you should be able to run it on a lightweight system. Is it reasonable for a user with decent user level skills and a laptop to use Centric CRM? If you have basic Java skills I would say, yes. Vtiger has a larger user base though. -jmz Joshua Zeidner wrote: I've used Centric CRM. Its an option if you have J2EE skills. Its architecture is more flexible than SugarCRM. The SugarCRM project is really dominated by the SugarCRM corporation so you're not really going to get the FOSS experience there. There's also VTiger which was an early fork of SugarCRM. http://www.ohloh.net/p/vtiger -jmz On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Well i found a link on making Worpress a kind of lightweight CRM: http://chasesagum.com/using-wordpress-as-a-lighweight-crm There there is this Project useing sql lite and PHP: http://code.google.com/p/crm-light/ And there ther is this thing i found as well: http://www.simplecustomer.com/ On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:38 AM, tship...@deru.com wrote: SugarCRM is the first I ran across. My first impression was that it would be too big to use for this job. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:57:55 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: itsy bitsy CRM .. open and free --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sorta) (or, IS it?) [slashdot.org]: Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: you smelled his chair? were all wondering: what did it smell like? -jmz interesting :-P On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I smelled his chair at OSDL during an invitation to compete for a contract and I partied with him at LinuxCon: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lc09p2 That's me in the front row: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/09/22/linuxcon2009/ There was a rumor that Linus has been replaced by look-alikes: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Will_The_Fake_Linus_Torvalds_Please_Stand_Up_VIDEO On 12/29/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this on slashdot I think. Long Live Linus. -jmz On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: from http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1438232/Happy-Birthday-Linus?art_pos=11 : [quote:] blockquote Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus Glyn Moody writesToday is the birthday of Linus. Just under 19 years ago, on the first day the shops in Helsinki were open after the holidays, Linus rushed out and spent all his Christmas and birthday money on his first PC: a DX33 80386, with 4 Megs of RAM, no co-processor, and a 40 Megabyte hard disc. Today, the kernel he wrote on that system powers 90% of the fastest supercomputers, and is starting to find its way into more and more smartphones — not to mention everything in between. What would the world look like had he spent his money on something else? /blockquote -- Mike Schwartz It appears that some of the above text, is actually from http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/happy-birthday-linus -- (which is pointed to, by the first underlined (clickable) hyper-link in the /. article quoted above -- that is, the Just under 19 years ago link). I just read that longer item (from http://www.linuxjournal.com/). Pretty interesting. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:LisaKachold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sorta) (or, IS it?) [slashdot.org]: Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: you smelled his chair? were all wondering: what did it smell like? penguins is not an acceptable answer here btw. -jmz -jmz interesting :-P On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I smelled his chair at OSDL during an invitation to compete for a contract and I partied with him at LinuxCon: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lc09p2 That's me in the front row: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/09/22/linuxcon2009/ There was a rumor that Linus has been replaced by look-alikes: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Will_The_Fake_Linus_Torvalds_Please_Stand_Up_VIDEO On 12/29/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this on slashdot I think. Long Live Linus. -jmz On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: from http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1438232/Happy-Birthday-Linus?art_pos=11 : [quote:] blockquote Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus Glyn Moody writesToday is the birthday of Linus. Just under 19 years ago, on the first day the shops in Helsinki were open after the holidays, Linus rushed out and spent all his Christmas and birthday money on his first PC: a DX33 80386, with 4 Megs of RAM, no co-processor, and a 40 Megabyte hard disc. Today, the kernel he wrote on that system powers 90% of the fastest supercomputers, and is starting to find its way into more and more smartphones — not to mention everything in between. What would the world look like had he spent his money on something else? /blockquote -- Mike Schwartz It appears that some of the above text, is actually from http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/happy-birthday-linus -- (which is pointed to, by the first underlined (clickable) hyper-link in the /. article quoted above -- that is, the Just under 19 years ago link). I just read that longer item (from http://www.linuxjournal.com/). Pretty interesting. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:LisaKachold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sorta) (or, IS it?) [slashdot.org]: Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus
I met someone who lives in Scottsdale (native Finn) that claims to know him. -jmz On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: But we need people to look at it, smell it, and make their suggestions for improvement and feel, genuinely, like they were part of the process. -Eric S. Raymond, OSDL co-founder and president emeritus Of course, Raymond was discussing Open Source Licensing Initiatives, not Linus' chair. The whole cubicle smelled like a well washed Finnish child, cleverly disguised as a responsible adult, playing in FOSS heaven, which was OSDL in the early 2000's. Actually, Torvalds' worked from home as a fellow for the Open Source Development Lab, then a corporate-funded consortium created to foster improvements to Linux. Linus rarely worked from his cubicle, his brand new desk and chair smelled of fine modern fiber weave Linus sightings are common in Oregon. When I attended LinuxCon 2009, he still smelled like childish enthusiasm, health and FOSS heaven. On 12/29/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: you smelled his chair? were all wondering: what did it smell like? penguins is not an acceptable answer here btw. -jmz -jmz interesting :-P On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I smelled his chair at OSDL during an invitation to compete for a contract and I partied with him at LinuxCon: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lc09p2 That's me in the front row: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/09/22/linuxcon2009/ There was a rumor that Linus has been replaced by look-alikes: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Will_The_Fake_Linus_Torvalds_Please_Stand_Up_VIDEO On 12/29/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this on slashdot I think. Long Live Linus. -jmz On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: from http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1438232/Happy-Birthday-Linus?art_pos=11 : [quote:] blockquote Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus Glyn Moody writesToday is the birthday of Linus. Just under 19 years ago, on the first day the shops in Helsinki were open after the holidays, Linus rushed out and spent all his Christmas and birthday money on his first PC: a DX33 80386, with 4 Megs of RAM, no co-processor, and a 40 Megabyte hard disc. Today, the kernel he wrote on that system powers 90% of the fastest supercomputers, and is starting to find its way into more and more smartphones — not to mention everything in between. What would the world look like had he spent his money on something else? /blockquote -- Mike Schwartz It appears that some of the above text, is actually from http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/happy-birthday-linus -- (which is pointed to, by the first underlined (clickable) hyper-link in the /. article quoted above -- that is, the Just under 19 years ago link). I just read that longer item (from http://www.linuxjournal.com/). Pretty interesting. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:LisaKachold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:LisaKachold --- PLUG
Re: fixing laptop jack
fixed it! -jmz On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: well cool beans it looks like the job my soldier did was half the battle! On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: its not always so simple. If you don't soldier correctly, the soldier will actually give off heat when a current goes through it, and in some cases it can get so hot the soldier will melt, cause shorts, and destroy your equipment. knowing is half the battle. -jmz On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: just make sure you heat up both metal parts before applying the soldier! On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: your sales skills are also the suck. ;) given that engineers are notoriously self deprecating Im willing to overlook that if you convince me you can fix my precious Toshiba. soldering is much more difficult than many think. -jmz On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I know how, but my soldering skills are the suck. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, does anyone here know how to fix a laptop DC power jack? its a toshiba satellite. would be willing to pay... -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
fixing laptop jack
Hello, does anyone here know how to fix a laptop DC power jack? its a toshiba satellite. would be willing to pay... -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: fixing laptop jack
your sales skills are also the suck. ;) given that engineers are notoriously self deprecating Im willing to overlook that if you convince me you can fix my precious Toshiba. soldering is much more difficult than many think. -jmz On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I know how, but my soldering skills are the suck. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, does anyone here know how to fix a laptop DC power jack? its a toshiba satellite. would be willing to pay... -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: fixing laptop jack
its not always so simple. If you don't soldier correctly, the soldier will actually give off heat when a current goes through it, and in some cases it can get so hot the soldier will melt, cause shorts, and destroy your equipment. knowing is half the battle. -jmz On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: just make sure you heat up both metal parts before applying the soldier! On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: your sales skills are also the suck. ;) given that engineers are notoriously self deprecating Im willing to overlook that if you convince me you can fix my precious Toshiba. soldering is much more difficult than many think. -jmz On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I know how, but my soldering skills are the suck. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, does anyone here know how to fix a laptop DC power jack? its a toshiba satellite. would be willing to pay... -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (sorta) (or, IS it?) [slashdot.org]: Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus
I saw this on slashdot I think. Long Live Linus. -jmz On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: from http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1438232/Happy-Birthday-Linus?art_pos=11 : [quote:] blockquote Linux: Happy Birthday, Linus Glyn Moody writesToday is the birthday of Linus. Just under 19 years ago, on the first day the shops in Helsinki were open after the holidays, Linus rushed out and spent all his Christmas and birthday money on his first PC: a DX33 80386, with 4 Megs of RAM, no co-processor, and a 40 Megabyte hard disc. Today, the kernel he wrote on that system powers 90% of the fastest supercomputers, and is starting to find its way into more and more smartphones — not to mention everything in between. What would the world look like had he spent his money on something else? /blockquote -- Mike Schwartz It appears that some of the above text, is actually from http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/happy-birthday-linus -- (which is pointed to, by the first underlined (clickable) hyper-link in the /. article quoted above -- that is, the Just under 19 years ago link). I just read that longer item (from http://www.linuxjournal.com/). Pretty interesting. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: In need of Linux computer
I'd be interested in starting a barter network... jmz On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Toss it on the junkheap! Can't help you right now! Too bad they don't have a freegeek.org here? On 12/26/09, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all; as you may know I am trapped in the world of windows at the moment but would like to break free of the M$ shackles. Would anyone happen to have a computer on which Linux will work they would be willing to part with? It can be a Windows 98 box for all I care! I gave my b rother a ride home today and he gave me his non working computer. So I brought it home and plugged it in. Nothing! No post... no beep... not even the flicker of a light indicating life. I'm thinking that it could be the power supply (he was having power surges) but it might be the 'soft switch' (this computer is from '99). If it might be power supply and someone has one could I test out my theory? specs: compaq power supply part number: 124892-001 input= 115V~/9A, 230V~/5A output= +5V===/22A, +3.3V===/14A -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: In need of Linux computer
hey Lisa + PLUG, Ive worked a lot in this area, mainly with Community Currencies. It's a good thing because you can utilize excess equipment and grows social networks as well, because the transactions build up trust. I had been envisioning a skills exchange for a while, but you need basic nucleus of people who 1) understand the premise, 2) have skills/goods to trade. Lets see how many people are interested. If you've got 10 people, then you can start a trading community. Theres other aspects such as, do you want to implement monetary units etc. So if we can get 10 responses here, we should start a SIG and go from there. Starting your own site may alienate people and to have a good trading community you have to make sure youre as inclusive as possible and everyone agrees the rules are standardized. Political views, religion, wealth status all act as dividers in the trading community, and can stunt it and kill it off. I think the general economic conditions may be right for this. There was for instance a downtown phx currency. Didn't do well because it was a fairly insular group that didnt really adequately instate the currency. Not enough people felt it was reliable and it failed. Its still around and you can buy your coffee with it, but didnt really reach critical mass. They could go for round 2, but the public image will be weak. So the choice to just take initiative not only effected the currency negatively, but the future possibility of one for the area. I personally know the guy who built the LETS / community currency module for Drupal and was involved with it in its early stages. I also know some other major names in this field. Ive worked a lot with the premier open source community currency platform, Cyclos (which is J2EE based). If you're serious about starting a barter community we should move forward with all interested parties. Its critical to get buy in from EVERYONE at all stages. -jmz On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I will setup a website for it on my drupal on it-clowns.com! On 12/26/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be interested in starting a barter network... jmz On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Toss it on the junkheap! Can't help you right now! Too bad they don't have a freegeek.org here? On 12/26/09, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all; as you may know I am trapped in the world of windows at the moment but would like to break free of the M$ shackles. Would anyone happen to have a computer on which Linux will work they would be willing to part with? It can be a Windows 98 box for all I care! I gave my b rother a ride home today and he gave me his non working computer. So I brought it home and plugged it in. Nothing! No post... no beep... not even the flicker of a light indicating life. I'm thinking that it could be the power supply (he was having power surges) but it might be the 'soft switch' (this computer is from '99). If it might be power supply and someone has one could I test out my theory? specs: compaq power supply part number: 124892-001 input= 115V~/9A, 230V~/5A output= +5V===/22A, +3.3V===/14A -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Hey.
you're going to see some REALLY good deals in the next month at the computer stores. I think you'll be seeing a lot of laptops drop below $200. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w4xECgTYkE -jmz On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: This thread is now about our Linux-related $holiday presents. Mine: http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28products_id=97 Really nice, come to the Avondale stammtisch and you'll get to see it in person. Excerpts from mike havens's message of Fri Dec 25 16:19:00 -0700 2009: Merry Christmas everyone! If you don't like Christmas happy whatever. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Anyone using Zimbra dot com?
Last time I looked at Zimbra it had a questionable open source license. -jmz On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: My ISP (mediacom) apparently switched their email systems to zimbra and things have not worked right ever since. Service has been intermittent and poor at best for a week now. Zimbra.com claims to service 50 million paid email accounts so I have a hard time believing this is so bad inherently. I am thinking it is all poor planning and execution of the switchover and with no fallback plan. But I thought some of you might have experience with Zimbra that you could share. -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Droid/Android
anyone try this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android -jmz On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 15:27 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: Well, it seems like the list has come down to two major desktop distros, Ubuntu and Fedora and as far as I know neither is commercial. There was a time when Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, and others were all looking at the desktop as a potential market. The survivors seem to have headed for big servers or special cases. Meanwhile, a lot of activity has opened up in sub-desktop consumer Linux, most notably with Google's Android and Chrome. I think that Android and Chrome serve different purposes than the main stream Linux distributions - they are intended for lighterweight hardware, smaller cpu, smaller screens etc. and thus far, telephone and similar devices and netbooks have been their target. There clearly is a need for both lightweight desktops and full featured desktops. Any distribution looking to sell a Desktop OS is going to have to ramp put the technical support for it because people will have questions and expect answers. I gather that some of the early release images of Chrome have been dominating the torrents lately. I would like to point out that I just got a Moto Droid the other day and it is an extremely complicated device and I'm still discovering things about it. I thought at first it was curious that before the dude at the VZ store would hand me the telphone, he downloaded and installed 'Advanced Task Killer (Free)' and wanted to show me how to use it. I didn't need the demo, I understood what it was for but apparently at some level, VZ made a decision to teach people how to use these things because they are also holding classes on Android (one of my friends bought one and was very grateful for the class he went to). But I will point out things I didn't realize until after I got the Droid... - Evolution calendars sync rather well with Gmail calendars - Evolution contacts can mount Gmail contacts and contacts can be moved or copied back and forth (beware that certain punctuation like $/\ can cause problems) Not all fields work...but enough work - Evolution task lists however - fahgettabouddit It occurred to me that in this case, I was lucky because Linux desktop essentially already integrated support for Gmail while on Apple or Microsoft (especially Outlook), there are extra hoops. I also found when doing my google search thing for this, that the KDE PIM stuff can sync with Google but I don't use the KDE PIM stuff very much. Craig I'm stuck with a Blackberry, which is OK. It sounds like your (Craig's) experience jives with the reviews, Droid is a phone geeks will love. That means it's a niche product. OS X is the best consumer OS I've worked in. I bet the iPhone still beats the Droid for *typical* user experience ... except for the network thing which Phoenix iPhone users I've known hate. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Leaked Climate Emails
There was a UofA professor involved in this scandal... jmz On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:09 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi All, We had a discussion about global warming a few month ago. Here is some followup: The scientific community is buzzing over thousands of emails and documents -- posted on the Internet last week after being hacked from a prominent climate-change research center -- that some say raise ethical questions about a group of scientists who contend humans are responsible for global warming. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Nix geek humor
looks like xkcd does not have a good technical manager. If any web site managers want to prevent this sort of thing from happening, http://www.vbseo.com/f34/hotlink-protection-tutorial-apache-server-htaccess-files-6456/ -jmz On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Why do people not want to credit the original source? http://xkcd.com/149/ On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/11/sudowich_01_01.jpg work safe -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: File sharing web script
you can use BitTorrent. -jmz On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, AZ Pete su...@cactusfamily.com wrote: Hi All, I have a need to be able to make large files to available to several clients for download. When the need currently arises I use megaupload.com, which is a nice service for free, but I would rather keep things all on my server. What I want to be able to do is to upload said huge file (200Mb-500Mb) to my web host via SSH/FTP. Then simply send my client a url where they can download that file via their browser. Are there any apps that can do this? I did some searching on sourceforge, but couldn't really find anything. Thanks, Peter --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: anyone done a ubuntu 9.10 upgrade yet?
I downloaded the ISO and it would even install on a Tpad R40. -jmz On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Jerry Davis jdaw...@cox.net wrote: I have used linux for many years, and I have found that upgrades in place rarely work in the past. Has anyone done a upgrade in place using the Update Manager for ubuntu 9.10? Did it work? Or would it be better to just create a tarball of my home directory, save it off, download and burn the iso, and just do a full install? -- Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown Registered Linux User: 275424 K7AZJ This email's Fortune: If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT-ish: In need of DNS hosting
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Ryan Rix wrote: Ryan Rix wrote: Eric Shubert wrote: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me that OpenDNS provides only DNS Resolver (aka recursive, caching) services. I believe that Ryan's looking for Authoritative DNS service, which I don't see OpenDNS providing. Am I missing something here? Yes, this is what I need; apologies for not clearing that up. Afaict both FreeDNS and OpenDNS did this :( I lied; just set up FreeDNS. Just have to wait for my registrar to properly delegate the entries. Thanks Ryan That's nice to know about FreeDNS. Is it free as in beer, or is there a nominal fee? Also, can it handle dynamic addresses? free as in beer, been using it for more than a year on my blog. I does handle dynamic dns, but I dont know much about it. -jmz Does OpenDNS have an authoritative service? I didn't see it when I browsed the site. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux certification
I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people decide to hire you: http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Hello all – I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks Doorman352 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
