Re: The new Advanced qmail lists
rmiddleton wrote: Right on : A true IT guy : From another true IT Guy doing Unix Administration, coding Perl, Delphi, PHP, Visual Basic, ... and having own ISP/ASP Firm, yeah! Yes I can proll, too! ;-) --^..^-- michael maier - system development administrator flatfox ag, hanauer landstrasse 196a d-60314 frankfurt am main fon+49.(0)69.50 95 98-308 fax+49.(0)69.50 95 98-101 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] urlhttp://www.flatfox.com - m a k e m y d a y
Re: The new Advanced qmail lists
* rmiddleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cause after 9 yrs i look for what makes my job the easiest, not what "I think is cool" Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@fixme -- Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/ ``The funniest part is that on this system, Robin S. Socha is the "kinder, gentler" sysadmin...'' (Kate http://www.katewerk.com/)
qmail Digest 6 Dec 2000 11:00:00 -0000 Issue 1205
qmail Digest 6 Dec 2000 11:00:00 - Issue 1205 Topics (messages 53501 through 53587): fastfoward error 53501 by: Emilis Trinskis Re: Quality of this List 53502 by: Mestdagh 53507 by: Henning Brauer 53509 by: Brett Randall 53510 by: Michael Maier 53514 by: Lipscomb, Al 53517 by: Brett Randall 53525 by: Henning Brauer 53535 by: Aaron L. Meehan 53542 by: asantos 53544 by: Amitai Schlair 53546 by: asantos 53548 by: defender of the protocol 53559 by: Rahsheen Porter Professional qmail list? (was: Quality of this List) 53503 by: Robin S. Socha FAQ! [was: Quality of this List] 53504 by: Mestdagh 53508 by: Robin S. Socha Re: This is my limit??? 53505 by: Ould 53532 by: Greg Owen Re: Open Relay questionnaire 53506 by: Henning Brauer Re: badmailfrom 53511 by: Matthew Harrell Install Failure-Error 127 53512 by: Herr Blüschke 53515 by: Alex Pennace 53516 by: Goran Blazic 53520 by: Peter Green 53522 by: Robin S. Socha 53523 by: Robin S. Socha 53533 by: Herr Blüschke 53538 by: Alex Pennace 53539 by: Romeyn Prescott Re: AntiVirus! 53513 by: Lipscomb, Al 53518 by: Felix von Leitner 53519 by: Felix von Leitner 53528 by: Bruno Wolff III 53530 by: kate.katewerk.com 53540 by: Andy Bradford 53543 by: Michael Boyiazis 53560 by: Nathan J. Mehl 53570 by: Bruno Wolff III POP3 authentication 53521 by: Louis Mushandu 53527 by: Tim Hunter Re: qmail logging 53524 by: Joost van Baal [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ] 53526 by: Felix von Leitner Re: Qmail and rblsmtpd 53529 by: Mate Wierdl different handling of relay mails 53531 by: Thomas Haberland Deleting outgoing message from queue 53534 by: Jan Knepper 53537 by: Anton Pirnat 53541 by: Robin S. Socha 53576 by: David L. Nicol Re: Authorization failed during first test of qmail-popup: Solved 53536 by: John Novicki Re: Mr . T. Hunter POP3 Authentication 53545 by: Louis Mushandu Re: ezmlm-cgi 53547 by: zealot 53549 by: Petri Kaukasoina POP3 - Why does it not authenticate. 53550 by: Louis Mushandu 53551 by: Mark Delany Out of Memory??? 53552 by: drew-maillist.ricshaw.com.au 53553 by: Mark Delany 53554 by: Tim Hunter 53557 by: Mark Delany 53566 by: Markus Stumpf 53580 by: Mark Delany Where is my POP3 authentication panacea. 53555 by: Louis Mushandu 53556 by: Mark Delany Re: reg. qmail-qmqpd and qmail-qmtpd 53558 by: Arjan Filius adding text to outgoing messages? 53561 by: vinnie chhabra 53575 by: Andrew Richards The new "Advanced" qmail lists 53562 by: rmiddleton 53564 by: defender of the protocol 53567 by: rmiddleton 53568 by: defender of the protocol 53573 by: rmiddleton 53581 by: Michael Maier 53582 by: Michael Maier 53583 by: Robin S. Socha 53584 by: Henning Brauer 53586 by: Peter Green couldn't find a mail exchanger or IP address 53563 by: David Geller 53565 by: Henning Brauer Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings 53569 by: Thomas Duterme 53571 by: asantos 53578 by: Thomas Duterme 53579 by: Thomas Duterme 53585 by: Henning Brauer User question. 53572 by: mbailey.journey.net why does this happen? 53574 by: Jeremy Anthony install error 53577 by: Zoltan Major Qmail, LDAP and public Email Address lists 53587 by: Dennis Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To bug my human owner, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To post to the list, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hi all, I have some problems with fastforward setup. I have installed fastforward. in ~alias/.qmail-default added line | /var/qmail/bin/fastforward -d /etc/aliases.cdb added lines to /etc/alias postmaster: user1 webmaster: user2 build alias.cdb with /var/qmail/bin/newalias The problem: Sending mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get error in mail.log : localhost qmail: 97602.813529 delivery 9669: deferral: fastforward:_fatal:_qq_temporary_problem_(#4.3.0)/ Any ideas ? Thanks Emilis Trinskis Pasvalio rajono savivaldybës ðvietimo ir sporto skyrius V.Didþiojo 6 Pasvalys Tel/Fax: 8-271-34428 I don't have the resources to do it, but I would like it. Do you have the resources? If not, then why are you sending this to the list?
Re: The new Advanced qmail lists
Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 04:12 schrieb rmiddleton: Anyone ever tell you people to grow the hell up? this is nothing worse that socha or henning or felix have posted. Just pointing out if they ever actually had a true IT job they would shut the heck up and use this list for what it is for. Slamming OS'es, rigs etc is a waste of time. You should do yout homework before posting bullshit. You won't find any "Slamming OS'es" from me here. And interesting what you seem to know bout my job. Go home and play somewhere else. -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg www.bsws.de| Germany
Re: The new Advanced qmail lists
* rmiddleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001205 22:15]: Slamming OS'es, rigs etc is a waste of time. I agree wholeheartedly. [...] At 06:45 PM 12/5/2000 -0700, rmiddleton wrote: debian smacks "deadrat" (btw personally both suck ass to me and for my So quit wasting our time. /pg -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- C:\jobs [1] Terminated (staying resident) SMARTDRV.EXE [2]- Segmentation celebration WIN.COM [3]+ Running (tty input)COMMAND.COM (Submitted by Tuukka Toivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: "I'd be tickled pink if you would add (the left half of) it to your Linux cookies." How could I refuse?)
Qmail, LDAP and public Email Address lists
Hi all... I have, possibly, a simple question. In about 2 days, I'm going to setup LDAP for directory services for our org. A question that has just sprung to mind is public address books and LDAP!! I'd like to allow any of our users to add and remove "public" address book entries. There is going to be a secure, private, address book list also. Is this possible ? Is there a web interface for LDAP that allows this ? Cheers Dennis
451 unable to exec qq (#4.3.0)
Can anyone telling me why me SMTP do not works? [root@phoenix qmail]# telnet 127.0.0.1 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to 127.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. helo joe 220 mydomaine ESMTP 250 mydoamine mail jo@mydomaine 250 ok rcpt joe@mydomaine 250 ok data 354 go ahead Subject: Test Bonjour. . 451 unable to exec qq (#4.3.0) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
What this means??
Here results of /var/log/qmail/current for two messages I try to send to myself and an external account. No one cann pass. Can you helps to fixe the origine of problem. @40003a2e2de109669fb4 new msg 19804 @40003a2e2de10966d664 info msg 19804: bytes 228 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 1854 uid 0 @40003a2e2de10a0e68d4 starting delivery 11: msg 19804 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a2e2de10a0e93cc status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 @40003a2e2de10a5ea3e4 delivery 11: deferral: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_by_that_name._(#4.1.2)/ @40003a2e2de10a5eea34 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 @40003a2e2de738607114 new msg 19805 @40003a2e2de738609ff4 info msg 19805: bytes 220 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] qp 1860 uid 0 @40003a2e2de7394d9034 starting delivery 12: msg 19805 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] @40003a2e2de7394dbf14 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 @40003a2e2de7399d522c delivery 12: deferral: CNAME_lookup_failed_temporarily._(#4.4.3)/ @40003a2e2de7399d8cc4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 ~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: 451 unable to exec qq (#4.3.0)
Can anyone telling me why me SMTP do not works? ... 451 unable to exec qq (#4.3.0) This one caught me too the other day. The message is a shorthand for "Unable to execute qmail-queue". In my case, (this was on a Cobalt Linux box), /var - under which qmail was installed, had "nosuid" set in /etc/fstab: qmail-queue uses the SetUID bit so that it can become the qmailq user. There are more messages on this subject in the archives, which may suggest other causes of this problem - take a look. cheers, Andrew.
Re: Quality of this List
On 5 Dec 2000, at 19:30, asantos wrote: I disagree. Newbies create newbie queries. At the risk of sounding like a BOFH, I'll press further: if qmail were to become even easier to install, more newbies would figure they could handle the job of running it, and we'd have _more_ newbie queries from people who, after installing, discovered the reality that it's _not_ easy to run a mail server. A simple look at the newbie questions posted here shows that most of them are related to issues that a binary package, integrated in the intended environment and with a simple configuration dialog, would solve. I'm talking compilation and simple configuration issues. Yeah, like Plesk. They have created a beautiful control environment for qmail (and bind and apache and proftpd and SSL and ...) I set up a server and gave the keys to a friend of mine who is legally blind. He has 65 sites and hundreds of mailboxes working and never uses the command line. http://www.plesk.com -- Phil Barnett mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net
Re: Qmail, LDAP and public Email Address lists
Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 11:35 schrieb Dennis: Hi all... I have, possibly, a simple question. In about 2 days, I'm going to setup LDAP for directory services for our org. A question that has just sprung to mind is public address books and LDAP!! I'd like to allow any of our users to add and remove "public" address book entries. There is going to be a secure, private, address book list also. Is this possible ? Is there a web interface for LDAP that allows this ? The qmail list is not the right place for this. Cheers Dennis -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg www.bsws.de| Germany
Re: What this means??
Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 13:32 schrieb Ould: Here results of /var/log/qmail/current for two messages I try to send to myself and an external account. No one cann pass. Can you helps to fixe the origine of problem. @40003a2e2de10a5ea3e4 delivery 11: deferral: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_by_that_name._(#4.1.2)/ @40003a2e2de7399d522c delivery 12: deferral: CNAME_lookup_failed_temporarily._(#4.4.3)/ so what? the error messages are clear, the remote host is not resolvable. check your dns setup if you know that they are valid. -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg www.bsws.de| Germany
Aliases
I have qmail set up with the smtproutes file as follows: lists.valor.com: ftp2.valor.com:ftp2.valor.com .valor.com:vsun14.valor.com valor.com:vsun14.valor.com This qmail server is currently only used for routing mail to vsun14. Let's assume that incoming mail is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to be able to choose that email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] continues to vsun14.valor.com, but that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to ftp2.valor.com. I understand that I have to add aliases to ~alias. I also have to add a control/virtualdomains file which I don't have at the moment. I am working on a live system and don't want to disrupt the email by making mistakes. I want to be able to move users incrementally from mail server vsun14 to ftp2. The questions are: If I add a virtual domain without aliases, what will happen to the mail? What is the best approach to reroute individual users given that I have smtproutes set up? Thanks, Peter -- Peter Gordon Tel: (972) 8 9432430 Ext: 129 Cell phone: 054 438029 Fax: (972) 8 9432429 Valor Ltd, PO Box 152, Yavne 70600, Israel Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The new Advanced qmail lists
He strickes me as being about as big a prick as any of the other highly trained IT people here, maybe even as big a prick as you for saying so. Very competant with mo patience for crap. He's right though, it's about making the job easier, not what's cool, and anyone who tells you different is not long for the IT world. Now please can we go back to the qmail discussion? defender of the protocol wrote: anyone ever tell you that you're a fuckin' prick At 06:45 PM 12/5/2000 -0700, rmiddleton wrote: Felix, Robin etc, since ya'll now have all these qmail-advanced lists and we know your reet debian smacks "deadrat" (btw personally both suck ass to me and for my uses)and if you work for a company that pays major bank, but the end-users use MS products and think we should quit or sue MS. You should quit this cause it "ain't as leet as your BSD box sporting that hefty Celeron...plugged directly into that 'awesome' dlink 8 port hub" how about unsubscribing you retards. Or at least get some true IT experience...cause after 9 yrs i look for what makes my job the easiest, not what "I think is cool" Rick Now lets get back to qmail -- Rob Hines Jr.
Re: reg. qmail-qmqpd and qmail-qmtpd
Arjan Filius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Dave Sill wrote: QMTP is a high speed SMTP replacement. The only client I'm aware of is maildirqmtp from serialmail. You mean to say qmail is unable to deliver via qmtp ? serialmail is an add-on utility written by qmail's author. You can use it with qmail to deliver mail for domains you know to be running a qmtp daemon, by having your qmail installation deliver mail for that domain to a maildir, and using maildirqmtp to send the contents of that maildir via qmtp. As a side note, I believe Bruce Guenter's nullmailer MTA also support qmtp. I could be wrong. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Re: AntiVirus!
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:58:41AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) reminding users that, like the Canadian Inuit, who have 500 different words for "snow", that the German language has 1000 different words for "stupid". it hasn't, but it has thousands of ways to express ones stupidness. Could we now please stop this my-country-is-better-than-yours stupidity before it get's worse? Regards, Uwe
RE: install error
someone posted this to the list a few weeks ago if I remember correctly. check the archives -Original Message- From: Zoltan Major [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: install error Hello, I'm trying to install the qmail on macosxserver 1.2 and there is an error message: ../compile auto-str.c ../load auto-str substdio.a error.a str.a /usr/bin/ld: can't use -s with input files containg indirect symbols (output file must contain at least global symbols, for maximum stripping use -x) make: *** [auto-str] Error 1 What can I do? Please help! Zoltan
using amavis
Hi! When using amavis, do not forget that You have symlinks for qmail-local and qmail-remote! I just made a make setup in qmail-src and the scanscript was overwritten with the content of qmail-remote. Having a symlink from qmail-local to the scanscript, qmail-remote was called when qmail-local should have been called. Very nasty error... Greetings -- Robert Sander Computer Scientist Epigenomics AG Bioinformatics RDwww.epigenomics.com Kastanienallee 24 +493024345330 10435 Berlin
Re: AntiVirus!
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Nathan J. Mehl wrote: Um, ISTR that the Morris Worm did a pretty good job of spreading over heterogeneous UNIX-like systems over a variety of transports. The worm did not infect more than 10 % of all hosts. This estimate is based on the extrapolation of the number of infected hosts at MIT. A poll done by people at Harvard suggests the actual number for all Internet hosts may have been considerably smaller, approx. 1,000-3,000 hosts out of 60,000, i.e. 2-5 %. Unfortunately, one can only guess how many of those hosts were unix-like machines. Anyway, the numbers is not very impressive compared to what could be accomplished with "Microsoft monoculture" or any other monoculture (hmmm...a devil's advocate question: what would happen if qmail was the only MTA in the known universe?). --Pavel Kankovsky aka Peak [ Boycott Microsoft--http://www.vcnet.com/bms ] "Resistance is futile. Open your source code and prepare for assimilation."
Virus Filtering in front of mail server
Hi Folks, I'd dearly love to add Virus and additional spam filtering to our mail systems. Our problem is, many moons ago we hacked vmailmgr to allow our customers web based control of email for their domains, etc. So we now have multiple servers running Qmail 1.01, hacked vmailmgr, pop before SMTP, and our admin web interface. We would really like to scrap and start over, but migration for 150+ domains/users would be quite painful. Hence I'm trying to work up a system to put "in front" of our existing mail servers that will do virus filtering, and perhaps more spam filtering than just what's available from the RBL. The two main issues I see are: Synchronizing the domains to accept/forward mail for. Authentication IPs/users who are allowed to relay. It seems like rsync, plus perhaps some scripts could accomplish this, but I wanted to throw my problem out there and see if others have had similar issues. Lance
Mini-Qmail Problems
Hi all, This is my first posting to the group and I have spent this week trying to find an answer to my pain. I have three servers, 2 QMQP and 1 null (well it was a full install, but removed all that was necessary as in the readme.) I have set up on the null client the IP Addresses of the QMQP servers and sat back as I sent an number of emails and watched the Mail logs on both servers. I am finding that it is always hitting the first server defined in control/qmqmpservers even when that one is reaching its max limit and the second server is doing nothing. If I remove the first server then it will use the second server, but if I put the first one back after the second it will always hit the first in the list. Is there any way to test that it will hit the second server and use that to send mail. I do not want to use this set up if I cannot add more front end servers? Or perhaps somebody has written a definite doc like the "life with qmail" doc? Nicholas Irving [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
From: Thomas Duterme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I'm based out of China actually, and a large majority of our users are using email servers which are based in China... Yeah.. I suppose that makes it worst, right? I think I can assume that connectivity to China should be much lower than to the US... hmmm we had a problem once when we set concurrency to 240...one time all of our mail bounced back and we found that many of the Chinese ISPs blocked us since we had ended up flooding their servers...that's why we scaled back to the modest 20 That might have to do with ... huh... the great firewall of China . :) Seriously, tough, sew below. oohh, I think I understand. Call qmail-inject directly to bypass the local SMTP step we've been doing, right? Just on a sidenote, opening so many local ports like I've been doingwhat adverse effects would this have on tha mailout. There is no problem with that many ports, assuming the OS is correctly setup. Also, would you advise changing the qmail-inject source directly to sort which queue the mail is injected in? Yes, this qmail server only acts as a sender and doesn't recieve any mail or bounces. Not exactly. To operate multiple qmail queues, you in fact have multiple qmail installations. For example, /var/qmail1/... /var/qmail2/.. /var/qmail3/.. To direct a mail to a specific queue, you call the specific qmail-inject: /var/qmail2/bin/qmail-inject Now, there is a trick in all of this: your Java proggie must me changed so as to call the various qmail-injects, *and* to avoid sending to the same destination domain from the same queue. Note, I say -avoid-, not prevent. The advantage of this approach comparing it to something like the big concurrency patch is that slower domains do not clog the queue. In your case, you can even fine tune the system, for example directing the mail for specific servers to a queue with a limited concurrency: /var/qmail-20concurrency/... /var/qmail-100concurrency/.. Armando
how many connections?
Hi! Is this correct? There are 200 mails in the outgoing queue. All of them are addressed to the following recipients: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] for each mail qmail (or tcpserver) establishes one connection to dom1.tld and another one to dom2.tld That means all in all 400 connections. or: does qmail establish only 2 connections in order to send 200 mails? thanks, Juergen
Re: Mini-Qmail Problems
I have set up on the null client the IP Addresses of the QMQP servers and .. I am finding that it is always hitting the first server defined in control/qmqmpservers even when that one is reaching its max limit and the Right. As the manpage for qmail-qmqpc says, the qmqpservers mechanism is not a load-balancing definition. It's a fallback definition. That is, if the connection to the first server fails qmqpc will try the second and subsequent until it makes a successful connection. This has been discussed before and various ad-hoc methods have been suggested as a way to simulate load balancing. In fact I think someone might have even made a patch that effectively randomizes the search thru this control file. You might want to check the archives found via www.qmail.org. Regards.
Re: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help
Roberto Samarone Araujo (RSA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was testing my qmail server against relay ... I went to www.abuse.net/relay.html and asked to test. The test returned me that my email server is accepting relay : No, it didn't say you are accepting relay. Read what it tells you more carefully. Relay test 6 [...] Relay test result Hmmn, at first glance, host appeared to accept a message for relay. This is a FAQ. Check the archives for this mailing list. Hint: there's nothing special about the '%' character in mail addresses to qmail unless you've turned on the percenthack. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Re: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 02:37:09PM -0300, Roberto Samarone Araujo (RSA) wrote: I was testing my qmail server against relay ... I went to www.abuse.net/relay.html and asked to test. The test returned me that my email server is accepting relay :( . Look at the last result of the test : Relay test 6 RSET 250 flushed MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 ok RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 ok Relay test result Hmmn, at first glance, host appeared to accept a message for relay. And what did the next sentence say? Chris
RE: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help
Check the archives on this PLEASE!! It also seems that you didn't read the lines after that in BIG BOLDED LETTERS. "THIS MAY OR MAY NOT MEAN THAT IT'S AN OPEN RELAY. Some systems appear to accept relay mail, but then reject messages internally rather than delivering them, but you cannot tell at this point whether the message will be relayed or not. You cannot tell if it is really an open relay without sending a test message; this anonymous user test DID NOT send a test message." -Original Message- From: Roberto Samarone Araujo (RSA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:37 PM To: Qmail-List Subject: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help Hi, I was testing my qmail server against relay ... I went to www.abuse.net/relay.html and asked to test. The test returned me that my email server is accepting relay :( . Look at the last result of the test : Relay test 6 RSET 250 flushed MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 ok RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 ok Relay test result Hmmn, at first glance, host appeared to accept a message for relay. Does anyone could please help me to set up my qmail in order to block this ? thanks Roberto Samarone Araujo
RE: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help
Perhaps Russ can make "SEARCH THE ARCHIVES" appear in large blinking text on www.qmail.org so people will see it. -- Michael Boyiazis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail Architect, NetZero, Inc. -Original Message- From: Roberto Samarone Araujo (RSA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:37 AM To: Qmail-List Subject: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help Hi, I was testing my qmail server against relay ... I went to www.abuse.net/relay.html and asked to test. The test returned me that my email server is accepting relay :( . Look at the last result of the test : Relay test 6 RSET 250 flushed MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 ok RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 ok Relay test result Hmmn, at first glance, host appeared to accept a message for relay. Does anyone could please help me to set up my qmail in order to block this ?
RE: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help
I saw that message but, I was worried ... The default installation of qmail block spam ?? I set up rblsmtp but, I don't know how to use it right .. I'd like to block some emails using rblsmtp. I created tcp.smtp and put some rules there but, I don't know how to put a specific rule to rblstmp ... Does anyone know any rblsmtp tutorial ?? thanks Roberto Samarone Araujo
Re: reg. qmail-qmqpd and qmail-qmtpd
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 08:14:24AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: As a side note, I believe Bruce Guenter's nullmailer MTA also support qmtp. I could be wrong. Nullmailer supports QMQP, but if desired, it should be fairly trivial to add QMTP support, given that QMQP is basically a subset of QMTP. In fact, the QMQP module should work with QMTP servers (if I'm reading the protocol spec right), just on a different port number. -- Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://em.ca/~bruceg/ PGP signature
Re: how many connections?
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 06:23:27PM +0100, Saala Jürgen wrote: Is this correct? No. There are 200 mails in the outgoing queue. All of them are addressed to the following recipients: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] for each mail qmail (or tcpserver) establishes one connection to dom1.tld and another one to dom2.tld That means all in all 400 connections. tcpserver has nothing to do with remote delivery, this is handled by qmail-remote. qmail will open - in your example - 600 connections, one for each address for each email. \Maex -- SpaceNet AG | http://www.Space.Net/ | Stress is when you wake Research Development| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | up screaming and you Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 | Tel: +49 (89) 32356-0| realize you haven't D-80807 Muenchen | Fax: +49 (89) 32356-299 | fallen asleep yet.
RE: AntiVirus!
Lipscomb, Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 5 December 2000 at 09:20:05 -0500 Al, please don't talk about stuff you don't understand. It's not a "product", it's free software. Wrong. Talked to an attorney last night who specializes in this kind of litigation. Person(s) X wrote code and person Y suffered a loss as a result of using that code. It does not matter if a "charge" or "payment" is involved. This is one of the interesting areas for Open Source software. Various attorneys have various opinions; I believe that this has not been definitively settled, or even close, in actual case law. Until there is precedent, it's still relatively open. And if there was any precedent for taking a software maker to a court for his bad software quality, California would have to declare bankruptcy. Then you have more problems that a few free software hackers. When did California become known for software manufacture? Are you thinking of Washington? Oh, sometime in the 60's. You are behind, aren't you? -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED] SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Re: Quality of this List
asantos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 5 December 2000 at 18:29:09 -0100 4) Badly disguised manouvers to create a qmail maintaners guild or two, that as all guilds profits from the seclusion of knowledge. Next stop is qmail certification, I bet, and then "redhatification". I think you've been smoking something that's a controlled substance in this country. I haven't found the people who offer commercial support to be shy in offering free support here. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED] SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
RE: Quality of this List
I think you've been smoking something that's a controlled substance in this country. I haven't found the people who offer commercial support Hm... I would also like some of it...
Re: Quality of this List
From: David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Badly disguised manouvers to create a qmail maintaners guild or two, that as all guilds profits from the seclusion of knowledge. Next stop is qmail certification, I bet, and then "redhatification". I think you've been smoking something that's a controlled substance in this country. I haven't found the people who offer commercial support to be shy in offering free support here. You think wrong. And even if I did smoke controlled substances, I would still try and keep a civil demeanour. Please try and do the same. If you disagree, just say so, no need to call me a pothead. What I have found are various offers for paid support... check the archives. And I have found clear attempts to make as difficult as possible for newbies to learn more. If that's not the usual procedure for guilds, what is? Armando
Re: Quality of this List
asantos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 6 December 2000 at 20:33:05 -0100 From: David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Badly disguised manouvers to create a qmail maintaners guild or two, that as all guilds profits from the seclusion of knowledge. Next stop is qmail certification, I bet, and then "redhatification". I think you've been smoking something that's a controlled substance in this country. I haven't found the people who offer commercial support to be shy in offering free support here. You think wrong. And even if I did smoke controlled substances, I would still try and keep a civil demeanour. Please try and do the same. If you disagree, just say so, no need to call me a pothead. What I have found are various offers for paid support... check the archives. And I have found clear attempts to make as difficult as possible for newbies to learn more. If that's not the usual procedure for guilds, what is? You are imputing motives from no evidence here. And since I've watched newbies lean here and get help, you're filtering your observations pretty hard. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED] SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Re: Quality of this List
From: David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are imputing motives from no evidence here. And since I've watched newbies lean here and get help, you're filtering your observations pretty hard. Obviously, one can't imput motives without having a imputable party. So, I'm not imputing. And I agree, there's no hard evidence, that's why I said that the manouvers are badly disguised. But there are manouvers. I also have seen newbies learning here... when the answer comes from civil people. But lately and ad nauseam newbies have being repeled, *by a restricted number of posters*. I refuse to believe that there is no personal interest in that, why else would they choose to bash instead of simply ignoring the newbie posts? I can name one that does not a guild, obviously: Dave Sill. So, what happens? Dave Sill retires in disgust. As the saying goes, "the truth is out there". Armando
RE: Quality of this List
What I have found are various offers for paid support... check the archives. And I have found clear attempts to make as difficult as possible for newbies to learn more. If that's not the usual procedure for guilds, what is? Armando, While there are people on the list who have offered "paid" support I am pretty sure many were doing so in a sarcastic manner. For example there was the remark about getting paid to show someone where the question was answered in the FAQ page. There are a few who strongly advocate that someone who does not know what they are doing consult a professional but what is wrong with that? If they were on an automotive mailing list and someone wanted to repair their cars brakes, but could not understand how to get the tires off, would it be wrong for a mechanic on the list to suggest they take it to a professional? You would see flame wars about working on Fords because the only good car is a GM (and among GM Chevy or nothing).
A book about Spam
Hi, I would like to buy a good book about spam but, I don't know a good book. can anyone sugest me one ? I need a book that talk about spam on qmail. thanks, Roberto Samarone Araujo
RE: Quality of this List
And I have found clear attempts to make as difficult as possible for newbies to learn more. I'm curious if you'd post what you consider a clear attempt to make it difficult to learn. -- gowen -- Greg Owen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SoftLock.com is now DigitalGoods!
Re: Quality of this List
From: Greg Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm curious if you'd post what you consider a clear attempt to make it difficult to learn. I'm not a policeman for the list. Check the archives. Again, I'm not saying that this attitude applies to everyone in the list, and it sure doesn't. But it is a pattern for some, and you know who they are. Now, what I would like to understand is way did people pick on this issue, instead of the wider points that I mentioned in my post [EMAIL PROTECTED] )? Did I touch a sore spot? Frankly, points 1, 2 and 5 where much more interesting, from my point of view. Armando
Re: A book about Spam
From: Roberto Samarone Araujo (RSA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to buy a good book about spam but, I don't know a good book. can anyone sugest me one ? I need a book that talk about spam on qmail. Maybe you don't need a book: http://www.palomine.net/qmail/relaying.html Anyway, there are no good books on qmail, AFAIK. Armando
Re: Quality of this List
asantos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 6 December 2000 at 21:42:52 -0100 From: Greg Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm curious if you'd post what you consider a clear attempt to make it difficult to learn. I'm not a policeman for the list. Check the archives. Again, I'm not saying that this attitude applies to everyone in the list, and it sure doesn't. But it is a pattern for some, and you know who they are. Now, what I would like to understand is way did people pick on this issue, instead of the wider points that I mentioned in my post [EMAIL PROTECTED] )? Did I touch a sore spot? Frankly, points 1, 2 and 5 where much more interesting, from my point of view. Most of the points were matters of personal opinion, or were true, or were not too important. In this particular case, however, you are accusing some of the most valuable contributors to the list of bad faith, and misrepresenting their actions. I consider that pretty important, and needing a response. It's also an area where it's best for people *not* to try to defend themselves generally; that always looks self-interested. So that's what I commented on. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED] SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Re: Quality of this List
asantos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 6 December 2000 at 22:07:47 -0100 From: David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Most of the points were matters of personal opinion, or were true, or were not too important. In this particular case, however, you are accusing some of the most valuable contributors to the list of bad faith, and misrepresenting their actions. I consider that pretty important, and needing a response. It's also an area where it's best for people *not* to try to defend themselves generally; that always looks self-interested. So that's what I commented on. No, I wasn't accusing the most valuable contributors, but the most remarkable non-contributors. I think we're going to have to just agree to differ on this one, then. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED] SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Re: Quality of this List
Quoting asantos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 4) Badly disguised manouvers by _some pseudo-gurus_ to create a qmail maintaners guild or two, that as all guilds profits from the seclusion of knowledge. Next stop is qmail certification, I bet, and then "redhatification". You forget the most important part: World Domination Fast(tm). Now, would you be so kind as point which of my 5 points are personal opinion, true or not too important? They are all true. They are all very important. They are also very relevant to a technical discussion list. And, finally, you should seek professional help. -- Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/ "If you are too low a lifeform to be able to learn how to use the manual page subsystem, why should we help you?" (Theo de Raadt)
RE: A book about Spam
I think you might be looking for http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/spam/ Pat -Original Message- From: Roberto Samarone Araujo (RSA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:19 PM To: Qmail-List Subject: A book about Spam Hi, I would like to buy a good book about spam but, I don't know a good book. can anyone sugest me one ? I need a book that talk about spam on qmail. thanks, Roberto Samarone Araujo
Re: how many connections?
for each mail qmail (or tcpserver) establishes one connection to dom1.tld and another one to dom2.tld That means all in all 400 connections. qmail-remote handles delivery independant of the tcpserver mechanism (used for incomming tcp connections, kinda:-) does qmail establish only 2 connections in order to send 200 mails? Nope, It will open a connection per email. Qmail lacks the ability of multiple delivery per connection that other MTA agents (sendmail *cough*) have. thanks, Juergen Regards. Martin Volesky - [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO - Deijlabs Corporation 1221 Mackay, Suite 200 Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3G 2H5 Tel.: 514.399.9930 Fax.: 514.399.1117
Times in bounce messages
Hello all.. I have a qmail 1.03 server LInux RH 6.2 and have a question about the timestamps in several bounce messages. The Maillog shows correct local times, but headers in bounces show some other zone how can I get them to match up? I'm pretty sure the system is set up for EST time... and the system clock is correct. Thanks Paul Farber Farber Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
Re: Times in bounce messages
Paul Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 6 December 2000 at 17:56:31 -0500 Hello all.. I have a qmail 1.03 server LInux RH 6.2 and have a question about the timestamps in several bounce messages. The Maillog shows correct local times, but headers in bounces show some other zone how can I get them to match up? I'm pretty sure the system is set up for EST time... and the system clock is correct. qmail always uses GMT in timestamps. It wouldn't be easy to change without also starting to depend on standar library functions, which qmail eschews. I was a little surprised to not find this in the FAQ, and not obviously on www.qmail.org, since this is in fact a question that's frequently asked. Maybe it should go somewhere for easy reference in the future? -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED] SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Relay-ctrl installed but can't auth
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RE: Quality of this List
From: asantos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] From: Greg Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm curious if you'd post what you consider a clear attempt to make it difficult to learn. I'm not a policeman for the list. Check the archives. I didn't consider that you might count abusive posts under that category, which I now realize is what you mean. I read your statement as implying that people posted misinformation with the intent of misleading newbies, or something like that, which I certainly haven't seen. I personally don't think abusive posts make it hard to learn. Ignore them, and pay attention to the ones that ask for more information or tell you which FM to R. Now, what I would like to understand is way did people pick on this issue, instead of the wider points that I mentioned in my post ] 1) Dan's anti-packaging policy No argument. ] 2) Increasing dependency in other packages No argument. ] 3) Newbie bashing on the main support list Sometimes deserved. Sometimes not. Chaff in the wind, grasshopper. ] 4) Badly disguised manouvers to create a qmail maintaners guild or two The point I raised a question about. ] 5) Proliferation of patches See #1. See agreement with #1. -- gowen -- Greg Owen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SoftLock.com is now DigitalGoods!
Relay-ctrl installed but can't auth
I have installed the relay-ctrl package and have added the /var/spool/relay-ctrl directory, modified my tcpserver to: tcpserver -v -R -l0 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup FQDN \ /bin/checkpassword /usr/sbin/relay-ctrl-allow /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 21 | \ /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d It does start OK, but it cannot authenticate me. It just keeps taking me back to the dialogue asking for userid and password. I am not sure that it has logged anything because I am not sure where it would log it. HELP?
Re: Relay-ctrl installed but can't auth
Quoting Eric Walters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have installed the relay-ctrl package ... which has nothing to do with qmail and is discussed on the bgware list. It does start OK, but it cannot authenticate me. It just keeps taking me back to the dialogue asking for userid and password. I am not sure that it has logged anything because I am not sure where it would log it. Did you read the man page for relay-ctrl-allow? Did you create the necessary files in /etc/relay-ctrl? Are your tcprules in a strange place? Do the paths to the executables fit? -- Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/ "If you are too low a lifeform to be able to learn how to use the manual page subsystem, why should we help you?" (Theo de Raadt)
pop3 conections
Hi, my name is Andre and I´m a new user of qmail! I read a lot of documentation but I didn´t found information about how to control the incoming pop3 conections. My system is using both qmail-smtp and qmail-pop3d with tcpserver, and that´s the problem, with inetd we can control the incoming pop3 conections based on a range of i´address using the files hosts.allow and hosts.deny, so how can I do the same restrictions with the tcpserver?? Thank you by your attention!! Andre
mail to newgroup utility?
Howdy, is there an easy way for me to set up an email account that will take incoming mail and send it out to a specific newsgroup? the problem is that i have newsgroup access at home via my DSL connection, but when i am working elsewhere i dont have newsgroup access. so i'd like to setup a mail account for comp.lang.smalltalk (for example) so that when i send mail to it, it then posts the msg to the newsgroup. TIA \\//_
Re: pop3 conections
Quoting Francisco Andr Barbosa Neto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi, my name is Andre and I´m a new user of qmail! I read a lot of documentation but I didn´t found information about how to control the incoming pop3 conections. My system is using both qmail-smtp and qmail-pop3d with tcpserver, and that´s the problem, with inetd we can control the incoming pop3 conections based on a range of i´address using the files hosts.allow and hosts.deny, so how can I do the same restrictions with the tcpserver?? man tcprules - http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html -- Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/ "If you are too low a lifeform to be able to learn how to use the manual page subsystem, why should we help you?" (Theo de Raadt)
Re: how many connections?
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Martin Volesky wrote: ... Qmail lacks the ability of multiple delivery per connection that other MTA agents (sendmail *cough*) have. Not strictly true. When qmail-remote is called from qmail-send (via qmail-rspawn) it is called in such a manner so that it makes one SMTP connection per message recipient. However, qmail-remote can be told to deliver the same message to mulitple recipients in a single SMTP session. See the qmail-remote man page. -- Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development)http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
Re: mail to newgroup utility?
Quoting montgomery f. tidwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): is there an easy way for me to set up an email account that will take incoming mail and send it out to a specific newsgroup? What's this got to do with qmail? http://www.google.com/search?q=mail2news+script
Re: www.abuse.net test and mail Qmail server - Help
Roberto Samarone Araujo \(RSA\) writes: I saw that message but, I was worried ... The default installation of qmail block spam ?? I set up rblsmtp but, I don't know how to use it right .. I'd like to block some emails using rblsmtp. I created tcp.smtp and put some rules there but, I don't know how to put a specific rule to rblstmp ... Does anyone know any rblsmtp tutorial ?? Yes. It comes with the distribution. There's also several useful links at www.qmail.org. For your smtp-accepting qmail host not to be an open relay, you must meet (at least) the following conditions: 1. control/percenthack is empty and/or does not exist 2. control/rcpthosts exists. 3. In your tcprules file for the tcpserver you use for rblsmtpd or qmail-smtpd, you have RELAYCLIENT="" *only* for IP addresses which are supposed to relay through your server. If you do not meet any of these, your server will relay. If you do not understand the statements above, you should go back to the documentation and ask for clarification on the specific statements you do not understand. Vince.
Question about default message delivery.
How can I feed qmail-start, qmail-lspawn, and qmail-local more than one default delivery instruction. My hope is to use a program, "blackbox" for example, that will extract information from each incoming message before it is saved. A similar .qmail file would look like this: |blackbox ./Maildir/ After looking at the sample start-up scripts in /var/qmail/boot, I'm thinking my start-up line would look similar to this, assuming blackbox takes no arguments: qmail-start '|blackbox ./Maildir/' Is this correct? If not, how can I string together multiple default delivery instructions? Thanks for the help. ---Kris Kelley
Re: Quality of this List
From: Chris Brick [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about you and Dave take all your points off list. Amazing. Since Feb 2000 this is exactly your second post, AFAICS. Very construtive. Armando
Re: Quality of this List
From: Robin S.Socha [EMAIL PROTECTED] You forget the most important part: World Domination Fast(tm). QED. Now, would you be so kind as point which of my 5 points are personal opinion, true or not too important? They are all true. They are all very important. They are also very relevant to a technical discussion list. And, finally, you should seek professional help. _Paid_ professional help... I think I see your point. Armando
Quota exceeded?
Hi, it´s me again! I forgot to ask a question, anybody knows how can I configure qmail to bounce a message when a disk space of an user is full, in other words, when a user´s quota exceeded? Andre
Re: badmailfrom
Matthew Harrell writes: ` : : Instead, you might want to prohibit mail from : :200.189.209.130 : : instead. Of course this will stop all mail from that IP address and : you might want that other mail. : I've got a question about this. I still get mail from an old work address and occasionally get spam from that address. tcp.smtp seems to only deny mail from the machine directly sending to you - do you know a way to drop mail that's been passed through a trusted server? Yes. Configure the 'trusted' server to block mail from that host. If you can't do that, use procmail (with a recipe that parses Received: lines). Vince.
Re: Question about default message delivery.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Kris Kelley wrote: How can I feed qmail-start, qmail-lspawn, and qmail-local more than one default delivery instruction. My hope is to use a program, "blackbox" for example, that will extract information from each incoming message before it is saved. A similar .qmail file would look like this: |blackbox ./Maildir/ After looking at the sample start-up scripts in /var/qmail/boot, I'm thinking my start-up line would look similar to this, assuming blackbox takes no arguments: qmail-start '|blackbox ./Maildir/' Is this correct? If not, how can I string together multiple default delivery instructions? Close but not quite. Think of the arguments passed to qmail-start (which hands them off to qmail-local) as the system default .qmail file. Each delivery intruction must appear on a line of its own. Therefore, you should run qmail-start as ... qmail-start '|blackbox ./Maildir' ... Note the _real_ newline between each of the delivery instructions. You can fill in the ... areas with whatever stuff is relevant for your site. Also have a look at /var/qmail/boot/*+* for other examples. -- Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development)http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
Re: Quality of this List
Quoting asantos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): QED. _Paid_ professional help... I think I see your point. tandardized Bonehead Reply Form I took exception to your recent ___ post/spam to _. (newsgroup) _x_ email. It was (check all that apply): _x_ lame. _x_ stupid. _x_ ignorant. _x_ much longer than any worthwhile thought of which you may be capable. Your attention is drawn to the fact that: ___ What you posted/said has been done before. (Mark only if above checked) ___ Not only that, it was also done better the last time. ___ Your post/letter was a pathetic imitation of ___. (net.personality) ___ You made a ridiculously off topic post to a newsgroup. ___ You made a ridiculously off topic post to numerous news groups. ___ Your post/mail originated on FidoNet. ___ Your post/mail originated on Netcom. ___ Your post/mail originated on AOL. ___ Your post referred to the newsgroup as a Board, BBoard, BBS, or Notesfile. ___ Your post contained commercial advertising. THE FINE FOR THIS IS $20. Please send money order immediately to: or your posting privileges will be cancelled. ___ Your post/letter contained spelling errors. ___ Your post/letter contained grammatical errors. ___ Your POST CONTAINED EXCESSIVE CAPITALIZATION AND/OR PUNCTUATION! ___ You posted a "newgroup" message without Leader Kibo's permission. ___ You posted a "rmgroup" message without Bruce Becker's permission. ___ Your post/letter was an obvious forgery. (Mark only if above checked) ___ It was done clumsily. ___ And was easily traceable. ___ You posted someone else's email address and then referred to them as your "friend". ___ You have a lame login name. ___ Your machine has a stupid name. ___ You quoted an article/letter in followup and added no new text. ___ You quoted an article/letter in followup and only added ___ line(s) of text. ___ You quoted an article in followup and only added the line "Me, too!!!" ___ You predicted the "Imminent Death of the Net[tm]". ___ You asked for replies via email because you "don't read this group". _x_ You flamed someone who has been around far longer than you. _x_ You flamed someone who is far more intelligent and witty than you. ___ Your lines are 80 columns wide or wider. _x_ You failed to check the "Followups-To:" line. ___ And it included misc.test ___ Your .sig is ridiculous because (check all that apply): ___ Your .sig is longer than 6 lines. (Mark only if above checked) ___ And your newsreader truncated it. ___ You listed ___ snail mail address(es). (Mark only if above checked) ___ You listed a nine-digit ZIP code. ___ You included your nickname on IRC. ___ You listed ___ phone numbers for people to use in prank calls. ___ You included a stupid disclaimer. (Mark only if above also) ___ your pathetic attempt at being witty in the disclaimer failed. (Mark only if above also) ___ Miserably. ___ your .sig should make your company disclaim YOU. ___ You included: (Mark all that apply) ___ a stupid self-quote. ___ a stupid quote from a net.nobody. ___ a Bill Clinton quote. ___ a Dan Quayle joke. ___ a reference to Beavis Butthead. ___ any reference to any TV talk show host. ___ a set of instructions for something as stupid as your post. ___ lame ASCII graphics (Choose all that apply): ___ USS Enterprise ___ Australia ___ The Amiga logo ___ Your company's logo (Mark only if above also) ___ and I stated that I don't speak for my employer. ___ A bicycle ___ ANY of The Simpsons Furthermore: _x_ You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (newsgroup) ___ You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of the net. _x_ You are a loser. _x_ You must have spent your entire life in a skinner box to be this clueless. ___ *plonk* _x_ All of this has been pointed out to you before. _x_ It is recommended that you: (Mark all that apply) ___ stick to FidoNet and come back when you've grown up. ___ find a volcano and throw yourself in. ___ get a gun and shoot yourself. ___ stop reading Usenet news and get a life. ___ stop posting to Usenet and get a life. _x_ stop sending email and get a life. ___ consume excrement. ___ consume excrement and thus
Re: Question about default message delivery.
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 06:00:19PM -0600, Kris Kelley wrote: How can I feed qmail-start, qmail-lspawn, and qmail-local more than one default delivery instruction. My hope is to use a program, "blackbox" for example, that will extract information from each incoming message before it is saved. A similar .qmail file would look like this: |blackbox ./Maildir/ Try FAQ 8.2, and put |blackbox in ~alias/.qmail-log. Chris
Re: why does this happen?
i understand that. but what does it *mean* :) the mail works fine now, but i'd still like to know what this means - jeremy At 12:05 AM 12/7/2000 +, you wrote: Jeremy Anthony writes: [...] this shows up in the log delivery 684: success: user_=_popuser,_homedir_=_/var/qmail/popboxes/somenetwork-com/jeremy/Sendmail_arguments:_"send-mail"_"-i"_"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"_"popuser"/did_0+0+1/ what's going on? Standard out and standard error of anything that gets run during delivery by qmail-local is sent to the qmail log. Vince.
List Problems
"asantos" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/06/00 04:57PM From: Chris Brick [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about you and Dave take all your points off list. Amazing. Since Feb 2000 this is exactly your second post, AFAICS. Very construtive. Armando I am going to break my self-enforced silence to make a quick point, as I will burst with frustration if I don't. After that I will leave the list, as I will have become part of the problem, and have little faith that a solution will be found. 1) I am a newbie to qmail. Never asked a question on the list, things work just fine. I read the docs and set up prototypes until I felt I had enough of a handle on it to use it in production. This seems to support the point that a someone with a bit of intelligence, work ethic and time can succeed with this software, even without this list. 2) Quick question to ask yourself before you post: If your boss read your post on this forum, would it reflect well upon your future employment with that firm? How about if your wife/gf read your post? 3) I would be irresponsible if I continued to allow this list to waste my time with topics that are clearly off-charter. In that I am sure MY boss would agree. 4) This list _cries_ out for a moderator, as the vocal denizens of this list are unable to keep their off-topic thoughts to themselves. 5) I believe this list is doing a disservice to the qmail community, as the signal-to-noise ratio is below Usenet. Perhaps a moderator, or a stricter enforcement of the list charter would make a difference. Failing that I see this list continuing to turn away new blood. Hard to take over the world when you alienate a large number of potential contributers, and go around hammering on those without a clue. I believe moderation is the solution, perhaps the only solution to this mess. And, yes, I would be happy to spend some time moderating posts. I don't mind putting my time in on something that is good for the community. As it stands though, I would be embarassed should I have to explain why I read all these posts from this list, as there is very little value in reading zero-content flames and complaints. Have a good day, from a former list subscriber, and still very happy qmailer, Gary Barnett Network Administrator Wells, St. John, et al
Re: mail to newgroup utility?
Howdy, --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robin S.Socha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting montgomery f. tidwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): is there an easy way for me to set up an email account that will take incoming mail and send it out to a specific newsgroup? What's this got to do with qmail? uh, i'm running Qmail as my mail server. \\//_ --- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com
Re: List Problems
I agree! I have over 200 mailing lists, and 1500 pop accounts all running off of qmail servers. I have asked very few questions to this list and have found the list helpful in the past. However this recent bickering is just not worth it anymore. V/r Jay Original Message On 12/6/00, 7:53:21 PM, "Gary Barnett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding List Problems: "asantos" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/06/00 04:57PM From: Chris Brick [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about you and Dave take all your points off list. Amazing. Since Feb 2000 this is exactly your second post, AFAICS. Very construtive. Armando I am going to break my self-enforced silence to make a quick point, as I will burst with frustration if I don't. After that I will leave the list, as I will have become part of the problem, and have little faith that a solution will be found. 1) I am a newbie to qmail. Never asked a question on the list, things work just fine. I read the docs and set up prototypes until I felt I had enough of a handle on it to use it in production. This seems to support the point that a someone with a bit of intelligence, work ethic and time can succeed with this software, even without this list. 2) Quick question to ask yourself before you post: If your boss read your post on this forum, would it reflect well upon your future employment with that firm? How about if your wife/gf read your post? 3) I would be irresponsible if I continued to allow this list to waste my time with topics that are clearly off-charter. In that I am sure MY boss would agree. 4) This list _cries_ out for a moderator, as the vocal denizens of this list are unable to keep their off-topic thoughts to themselves. 5) I believe this list is doing a disservice to the qmail community, as the signal-to-noise ratio is below Usenet. Perhaps a moderator, or a stricter enforcement of the list charter would make a difference. Failing that I see this list continuing to turn away new blood. Hard to take over the world when you alienate a large number of potential contributers, and go around hammering on those without a clue. I believe moderation is the solution, perhaps the only solution to this mess. And, yes, I would be happy to spend some time moderating posts. I don't mind putting my time in on something that is good for the community. As it stands though, I would be embarassed should I have to explain why I read all these posts from this list, as there is very little value in reading zero-content flames and complaints. Have a good day, from a former list subscriber, and still very happy qmailer, Gary Barnett Network Administrator Wells, St. John, et al
Re: Quality of this List
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 11:57:37PM -0100, asantos wrote: Amazing. Since Feb 2000 this is exactly your second post, AFAICS. Very construtive. I don't think it's the quantity that counts ... And I think this list is on its best way to loose some more helpers. Highly skilled people that surely wrote some hundred helpful posts throughout the years. IMHO this whining newbie threads are enough now. \Maex -- SpaceNet AG | http://www.Space.Net/ | Stress is when you wake Research Development| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | up screaming and you Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 | Tel: +49 (89) 32356-0| realize you haven't D-80807 Muenchen | Fax: +49 (89) 32356-299 | fallen asleep yet.
Re: Quota exceeded?
see the script mailquotacheck.sh in life with qmail at www.qmail.org At 10:07 PM 12/6/2000 -0300, Francisco André Barbosa Neto wrote: Hi, it´s me again! I forgot to ask a question, anybody knows how can I configure qmail to bounce a message when a disk space of an user is full, in other words, when a user´s quota exceeded? Andre
Procmail weirdness
Hi, I have a qmail 1.03 server (Redhat 6.0) that's been working fine for 10 months. Recently I added procmail (3.15) to filter out MIME attachments (to /dev/null). Procmail log reports no problems executing recipies, but the messages that are supposed to be dumped to /dev/null continue to get delivered by qmail-local. I've installed the shell wrapper (for error code conversion between procmail and qmail), tried out actions other than dumping to /dev/null (like forwarding to someone - the emails do get forwarded), some variations with recipies; but all yielded the same result - procmail recipies work, but the emails get delivered by qmail-local. Has anyone seen this before? TIA, --- Francisco Jen Ou Intercom Consultores
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 22:04 schrieb Thomas Duterme: How about increasing your concurrencyremote to something like 100? you most likely are hitting your limits. Good point. Will try that tonight. I've gotten some problems before from ISP's blocking us when I went up to 240...I'm not quite sure what the highest polite limit on this should be. My newsletter program calls qmail-qmqpc directly. Does qmail send mails to recpt in the order I write the address to qmail-qmqpc? For example, if I wrote addresses A, B, C to qmail-qmqpc. Will qmail first invokes qmail-remote to send mail to A And then (concurrently, before the first qmail-remote finishes) invokes another qmail-remote to B, and then to C? If so, maybe I can sort my subscriber list first, that subscribers in the same mail server will be distrubuted among the whole list evenly. So I can minimize the chance of overflooding a certain server?
Re: Aliases
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:01:31PM +0200, Peter Gordon wrote: Let's assume that incoming mail is addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to be able to choose that email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] continues to vsun14.valor.com, but that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to ftp2.valor.com. I understand that I have to add aliases to ~alias. No, you don't need aliases. I also have to add a control/virtualdomains file which I don't have at the moment. I am working on a live system and don't want to disrupt the email by making mistakes. Nothing happens unless youkill -HUP qmail-send ;-) First it's important to know that smtproutes applies only to qmail-remote. This is after the delivery descision (local/remote) has been made. What I'd do: a) Keep the smtproutes file like you have it. b) Create a directory /var/qmail/moved mode 755 create in this directory a file .qmail-user1 mode 644 and put inside this file # [EMAIL PROTECTED] # You have to choose a user und whos permissions this kind of email will be handled. I usually use (on my system) the user pop:68:68 This will also be used laster in the users/assign file. Do achown 68:68 /var/qmail/moved /var/qmail/moved/.qmail-user1 Nothing happens to the running system yet. c) create the control/virtualdomains file and add the line # [EMAIL PROTECTED]:moved # This "moved" at the right side of the colon is an identificator (or an user) that will control delivery of messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This user should NOT exist on your system. If you have a user with such a name, choose another identificator. The email will now get delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing happens to the running system yet. d) Now we're going to create the pseudo user "moved". edit /var/qmail/users/assign and put the following two lines in there (the second one is a single dot alone on a line and must be there). # +moved-:pop:68:68:/var/qmail/moved:-:: . # This is a "wildcard match" and matches every user that starts with moved- The controlling directory will be /var/qmail/moved (i.e. where the .qmail files live). The "moved-" part will be removed when matching .qmail files. This means [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - /var/qmail/moved/.qmail-user2 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing happens to the running system yet. e) Now activate the new setup: 1) Run /var/qmail/bin/qmail-newu this compiles users/assign to users/cdb 2) kill -HUP pid_of_qmail-send to make qmail-send notice the new/changes to control/virtualdomains. 3) Test the new delivery. I want to be able to move users incrementally from mail server vsun14 to ftp2. f) To move user3, user4, ... You only have to create /var/qmail/moved/.qmail-user3 containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] /var/qmail/moved/.qmail-user4 containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... and add entries [EMAIL PROTECTED]:moved [EMAIL PROTECTED]:moved to control/virtualdomains and the send a kill -HUP to qmail-send. Just watch out for ownership and modes of the .qmail files. g) Once you have completed the move for all users change smtproutes for valor.com to point to ftp2.valor.com. After that you can remove virtualdomains and users/assign and users/cdb and again kill -HUP qmail-send Hope that helps! \Maex -- SpaceNet AG | http://www.Space.Net/ | Stress is when you wake Research Development| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | up screaming and you Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 | Tel: +49 (89) 32356-0| realize you haven't D-80807 Muenchen | Fax: +49 (89) 32356-299 | fallen asleep yet.
Re: Procmail weirdness
* Francisco Jen Ou [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001206 21:59]: Procmail log reports no problems executing recipies, but the messages that are supposed to be dumped to /dev/null continue to get delivered by qmail-local. I haven't seen your particular problem. However, you might try setting up a dummy user; put just ``#'' (that's a hash with nothing else) in ~alias/.qmail-nobody. Then, instead of ``delivering'' to /dev/null, forward the offending e-mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] where example.com is your domain. That will effectively throw those messages into the bitbucket. /pg -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Oh, and this is another kernel in that great and venerable "BugFree(tm)" series of kernels. So be not afraid of bugs, but go out in the streets and deliver this message of joy to the masses. (Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.27)
help with virtualdomains
I'm having a slight problem getting qmail to deliver messages correctly for a virtual domain i'm trying to set up. The domain is neondesign.net, to an account named raw. control/virtualdomains has neondesign.net:raw in it, and neondesign.net is in rcpthosts and locals, ~raw/.qmail-default has ./Mailbox. sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] works, but no other [EMAIL PROTECTED] works. it just gets kicked back with "no mailbox here by that name". I have a feeling that it's something simple that i'm overlooking. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this. Thanks.
Re: help with virtualdomains
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 09:00:41PM -0700, Black Ice wrote: I'm having a slight problem getting qmail to deliver messages correctly for a virtual domain i'm trying to set up. The domain is neondesign.net, to an account named raw. control/virtualdomains has neondesign.net:raw in it, and neondesign.net is in rcpthosts and locals, ~raw/.qmail-default has ./Mailbox. sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] works, but no other [EMAIL PROTECTED] works. it just gets kicked back with "no mailbox here by that name". I have a feeling that it's something simple that i'm overlooking. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this. Thanks. A domain can be either a virtualdomain or a local, not both. Remove the neondesign.net entry from control/locals. If problems persist, post relevant logs and the output of qmail-showctl. PGP signature
Re: Quota exceeded?
Kimberly Vher wrote: see the script mailquotacheck.sh in life with qmail at www.qmail.org At 10:07 PM 12/6/2000 -0300, Francisco André Barbosa Neto wrote: Hi, it´s me again! I forgot to ask a question, anybody knows how can I configure qmail to bounce a message when a disk space of an user is full, in other words, when a user´s quota exceeded? Andre Qmail does not relate itself to file system quotas. If you want to create a quota system based on your usage, perhaps you should investigate all the possible options of efficent quota methodologies. Ken Jones
Re: pop3 conections
Francisco André Barbosa Neto wrote: Hi, my name is Andre and I´m a new user of qmail! I read a lot of documentation but I didn´t found information about how to control the incoming pop3 conections. POP is a different protcol from either local or remote email delivery. And a different protocol from smtp reception. My system is using both qmail-smtp and qmail-pop3d with tcpserver, and that´s the problem, with inetd we can control the incoming pop3 conections based on a range of i´address using the files hosts.allow and hosts.deny, so how can I do the same restrictions with the tcpserver?? If you took the time to read the documentation on tcpserver and it's associated allow/deny methodology, you will recognize that it is based on IP addresses. Which implies a fundamental weakness in DNS poisoning. Which is a different discussion. I'm assuming you mean "i'address" means IP addresses. if you can not limit access to your service handled by a tcpserver process, you have not investigated the -x option and all it entails. Please do not bother the list with questions that can easily be answered by careful examination of available documentation. Ken Jones Thank you by your attention!! Andre
Re: help with virtualdomains
Black Ice wrote: I'm having a slight problem getting qmail to deliver messages correctly for a virtual domain i'm trying to set up. First you must define what you mean by a virtual domain. The domain is neondesign.net, to an account named raw. An account named raw. Shall we assume you mean an entry in /etc/passwd with an associated entry in /etc/group, or do you mean something else. If you are not precise in your information, how can anyone help decode your cryptic language? control/virtualdomains has neondesign.net:raw in it, and neondesign.net is in rcpthosts and locals, So your "domain" (yet undefined how you use it) and the "account" (we shall assume you mean an /etc/passwd entry) has a home directory. Shall we also assume you have a directory entry in the /etc/passwd account for raw? Shall we also assume you have a valid shell path for raw? Apparently you assume we will. ~raw/.qmail-default has ./Mailbox. .qmail-default.. what about .qmail? you don't have a .qmail file either? Shall we assume your qmail-start line as well? Did you start it up with Mailbox or Maildir? Please be specific. sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] works, but no other [EMAIL PROTECTED] works. it just gets kicked back with "no mailbox here by that name". I have a feeling that it's something simple that i'm overlooking. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this. Thanks. It would help if you read all the documentation first. And would understand the meaning of locals/rcpthosts/virtualdomains and the associated processing of virtualdomain tags, and the associated processing of /var/qmail/users/assign files. Ken Jones
Re: how many connections?
Peter Samuel wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Martin Volesky wrote: ... Qmail lacks the ability of multiple delivery per connection that other MTA agents (sendmail *cough*) have. There has been proof on this list that overall performance of qmails delivery mechanism is more efficent that "other MTA agents" multiple delivery mechanisms. If you want real answers, please provide real factual proof that can be replicated by others. Otherwise, your statements are groundless and inflamitory. Why are you stirring a pot you have no idea of it's contents? Ken Jones
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:15:45AM +0800, Wayne Chu wrote: Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 22:04 schrieb Thomas Duterme: How about increasing your concurrencyremote to something like 100? you most likely are hitting your limits. Good point. Will try that tonight. I've gotten some problems before from ISP's blocking us when I went up to 240...I'm not quite sure what the highest polite limit on this should be. My newsletter program calls qmail-qmqpc directly. Does qmail send mails to recpt in the order I write the address to qmail-qmqpc? It surely does. But that's ultimately just a queuing order and it doesn't necessarily mean a delivery order. For example, if I wrote addresses A, B, C to qmail-qmqpc. Will qmail first invokes qmail-remote to send mail to A And then (concurrently, before the first qmail-remote finishes) invokes another qmail-remote to B, and then to C? As it happens, yes. I don't believe that it is gauranteed in any documentation, therefore relying on this current behaviour may be risky. If so, maybe I can sort my subscriber list first, that subscribers in the same mail server will be distrubuted among the whole list evenly. So I can minimize the chance of overflooding a certain server? Sounds like it might help, but consider the case of a particular domain that is not accepting mail. At the time of the first retry, perhaps the only recipients left are to that domain in which case it may well get hit with the full concurrency of your server. My point is that this *may* help in some circumstances, but it's by no means bullet-proof. Regards.
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
Mark Delany wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:15:45AM +0800, Wayne Chu wrote: Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 22:04 schrieb Thomas Duterme: How about increasing your concurrencyremote to something like 100? you most likely are hitting your limits. Good point. Will try that tonight. I've gotten some problems before from ISP's blocking us when I went up to 240...I'm not quite sure what the highest polite limit on this should be. My newsletter program calls qmail-qmqpc directly. Does qmail send mails to recpt in the order I write the address to qmail-qmqpc? It surely does. But that's ultimately just a queuing order and it doesn't necessarily mean a delivery order. Delivery order depends on DNS servicing smtp servicing and the exact code you are using to inject emails into qmail-pmpqc. For example, if I wrote addresses A, B, C to qmail-qmqpc. Will qmail first invokes qmail-remote to send mail to A And then (concurrently, before the first qmail-remote finishes) invokes another qmail-remote to B, and then to C? As it happens, yes. I don't believe that it is gauranteed in any documentation, therefore relying on this current behaviour may be risky. Your delivery order depends on your remote concurrency limitations, the availablity of dns results and your disk IO. Why are you so concerned about delivery order? What is your ultimate goal? Why is delivery order such a concern? If so, maybe I can sort my subscriber list first, that subscribers in the same mail server will be distrubuted among the whole list evenly. So I can minimize the chance of overflooding a certain server? Sounds like it might help, but consider the case of a particular domain that is not accepting mail. At the time of the first retry, perhaps the only recipients left are to that domain in which case it may well get hit with the full concurrency of your server. My point is that this *may* help in some circumstances, but it's by no means bullet-proof. Regards. You are wondering how you can spread your out going smtp deliveries across multiple recipient smtp servers. Why? What kind of email load are you imposing on the internet? Are you perhaps a person who has long lists of email accounts? Perhaps they are all sorted based on host name? Perhaps alot of the host names are yahoo.com? So.. You sit back.. and launch your spam list on the internet, and you wonder why.. when it gets to the yahoo.com list... it stalls with 255 remote deliveries, and they all take a long time to complete. And you are upset because you can't get your spam list delivered? Just what kind of email are you delivering? Your questions smack of spam problems. Ken Jones
Re: Quality of this List
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, asantos wrote: still try and keep a civil demeanour. Please try and do the same. If you disagree, just say so, no need to call me a pothead. Ok...I disagree with what you have below. What I have found are various offers for paid support... check the archives. Everyone gets a few questions answered that are FAQs (though I question the intelligence of doing so). What I have seen (besides all the ranting by a few about newbie questions) is that far too often the "newbie" is not only a newbie to qmail, but to their choice of operating system as well. As much as I would like to see more folks move away from MS, it is apparent that the price we pay on technical lists such as this is a dramatic (some may say exponential) growth in bandwidth spent on newbie issues that come up because: 1. The user did not read the available docs 2. The user does not understand their OS enough to understand the answer to their question (let alone ASK a question and provide enough information for someone to answer it) 3. The user is asking a question that would not need be asked if #2 had not been true. 4. The user is in over their head trying to admin a system in the first place for ALL of the above reasons. Once a newbie makes it abundantly clear that they fit the above categories, I think the best answer for them IS "I will do this for you for a fee". And I have found clear attempts to make as difficult as possible for newbies to learn more. If that's not the usual procedure for guilds, what This is pure bunk! I have seen a few folks get irate with the newbie questions, but they are tired of the 3 aforementioned groups of users expecting this list to be the FIRST answer to every question, even if it has been asked MANY times previously. Of course, you can disagree, but you would be wrong. -- Butch Evans Shelton Internet Network Admin
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 10:41:28PM -0600, Ken Jones wrote: Mark Delany wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:15:45AM +0800, Wayne Chu wrote: Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 22:04 schrieb Thomas Duterme: How about increasing your concurrencyremote to something like 100? you most likely are hitting your limits. Good point. Will try that tonight. I've gotten some problems before from ISP's blocking us when I went up to 240...I'm not quite sure what the highest polite limit on this should be. My newsletter program calls qmail-qmqpc directly. Does qmail send mails to recpt in the order I write the address to qmail-qmqpc? It surely does. But that's ultimately just a queuing order and it doesn't necessarily mean a delivery order. Delivery order depends on DNS servicing smtp servicing and the exact code you are using to inject emails into qmail-pmpqc. Right. But all things being equal, their will be a very strong correlation between the injection order and the delivery order. DNS lookups may certainly perturb this, but don't fundamentally change it in anyway. As it happens, yes. I don't believe that it is gauranteed in any documentation, therefore relying on this current behaviour may be risky. Your delivery order depends on your remote concurrency limitations, the availablity of dns results and your disk IO. No, yes, no. Concurrency does not change order. DNS results may perturb order, disk IO is unlikely to change order. In other words, there remains a strong correlation. Your point is? Why are you so concerned about delivery order? What is your ultimate goal? I think the original poster made that clear. He wants to minimize the concurrency to any one domain by sorting the recipients in such a way that the recipient domains are distributed across the whole list. Why is delivery order such a concern? How is this a different question from "Why are you so concerned" etc. So.. You sit back.. and launch your spam list on the internet, and you wonder why.. when it gets to the yahoo.com list... it stalls with 255 remote deliveries, and they all take a long time to complete. And you are upset because you can't get your spam list delivered? Just what kind of email are you delivering? Ken. You're assuming a spammer here - if you're wrong what do you think you're achieving apart from besmerching his name? In any event, if you've worked with large lists and large delivery capabilities, you'll know that many sites *do* block based on concurrency. Why only a month or so ago I was working with a company that does 20+million deliveries on a busy day and they were blocked by hotmail based on exceeding concurrent connection limits. It took quite an amount of work to have hotmail remove their automated block (phone calls, ceo to ceo, blah blah blah) - but they did so in the end, solely because they were ultimately convinced of the opt-in nature of the email. These problems do happen regularly in real life with legitimate lists. Perhaps the original poster has suffered the same problem? Your questions smack of spam problems. Your answers smack of speculation. Regards.
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
No, I am NOT spamming. Our company runs serveral daily e-newsletter, with totally about a half million of subscribers. We are planning to make an "open" newsletter plateform, let our web site members create their own personal newsletter ( authenticated and supervised by our staff to prevent spam mail ). we estimated the total number of subscribers and the number of newsletter will grow even more. Surely our member would want their newsletters to be sent ASAP. So we have to increase concurrency. And our company is not in USA. In our country, there are only few large major ISPs dominate the market. I don't know what's the case in US, but nearly half of our current subscribers come from only 4 ISPs. We encountered only slight SMTP blocking problems now. But we expect the problem will grow with our subscribers and concurrency settings. That's why we are looking for ways to deliver large number of newsletters with maximum speed possible, without overloading remote mail servers. If my questions cause controversy, I apologize. But never did I intend to abuse Internet e-mail. You are wondering how you can spread your out going smtp deliveries across multiple recipient smtp servers. Why? What kind of email load are you imposing on the internet? Are you perhaps a person who has long lists of email accounts? Perhaps they are all sorted based on host name? Perhaps alot of the host names are yahoo.com? So.. You sit back.. and launch your spam list on the internet, and you wonder why.. when it gets to the yahoo.com list... it stalls with 255 remote deliveries, and they all take a long time to complete. And you are upset because you can't get your spam list delivered? Just what kind of email are you delivering? Your questions smack of spam problems. Ken Jones
New lists...
Ok, I can set up (on an OC-45 link) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did I forget any??? P.S., I'll set up ht://dig on all of them so they are searchable... -- Phil Barnett mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
Mark Delany wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 10:41:28PM -0600, Ken Jones wrote: Mark Delany wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:15:45AM +0800, Wayne Chu wrote: Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 22:04 schrieb Thomas Duterme: How about increasing your concurrencyremote to something like 100? you most likely are hitting your limits. Good point. Will try that tonight. I've gotten some problems before from ISP's blocking us when I went up to 240...I'm not quite sure what the highest polite limit on this should be. My newsletter program calls qmail-qmqpc directly. Does qmail send mails to recpt in the order I write the address to qmail-qmqpc? It surely does. But that's ultimately just a queuing order and it doesn't necessarily mean a delivery order. Delivery order depends on DNS servicing smtp servicing and the exact code you are using to inject emails into qmail-pmpqc. Right. But all things being equal, their will be a very strong correlation between the injection order and the delivery order. DNS lookups may certainly perturb this, but don't fundamentally change it in anyway. Okay. All things being equal. I can understand that. Would you please explain what you mean "all things being equal". How do we relate an unprecise english phrase to email delivery? Unless you post exact information about your exact case with exact log information.. Perhaps we should all bow down and worhship the mystical order of the "blah blah". My meaning is.. Unless you post your exact information, you are just posing a hypothetical situation. If you want answers to your "hypothetical" situation, that's fine. But I expect you have a defined goal in mind. And I expect any hypothetical answer will not solve your particular problem. If you wish for me to attempt to solve your problem. I'm willing to devote my limited resources. However, you have not posted your dns information, nor your email delivery information. Shall we attempt to devine your intensions from you unclear descriptions? As it happens, yes. I don't believe that it is gauranteed in any documentation, therefore relying on this current behaviour may be risky. Your delivery order depends on your remote concurrency limitations, the availablity of dns results and your disk IO. No, yes, no. Concurrency does not change order. DNS results may perturb order, disk IO is unlikely to change order. In other words, there remains a strong correlation. Your point is? DNS order of service information completely depends on the DNS service you are relying on. Do you attempt to decieve us and say that all DNS services act the same? Please provide exact information about the dns results you are receiveing so that others may attempt to duplicate your results. Why are you so concerned about delivery order? What is your ultimate goal? I think the original poster made that clear. He wants to minimize the concurrency to any one domain by sorting the recipients in such a way that the recipient domains are distributed across the whole list. So, you wish to minimize the concurrency on your machine, or do you wish to minimize the delivery speed. I suspect the original poster is attempting to minimize the delivery to the recipient. Can you please post delivery speed information for multiple reciepients to a singular domain versus alternative mail delivery agents? Or are you just another poser? Why is delivery order such a concern? How is this a different question from "Why are you so concerned" etc. Because, unless you have been living in a cave, all of us email admins have to deal with people who are concerned about "email throughput". And most of those people are illegal spammers who are hard to take to court. Why did you evade my question? If you are a real person with a non-illegal concern, please post your company information, email address dns host name, company phone number, corporate officers names to this list. I'm sure you won't. So.. You sit back.. and launch your spam list on the internet, and you wonder why.. when it gets to the yahoo.com list... it stalls with 255 remote deliveries, and they all take a long time to complete. And you are upset because you can't get your spam list delivered? Just what kind of email are you delivering? Ken. You're assuming a spammer here - if you're wrong what do you think you're achieving apart from besmerching his name? Prove me wrong sir. In any event, if you've worked with large lists and large delivery capabilities, you'll know that many sites *do* block based on concurrency. Why only a month or so ago I was working with a company that does 20+million deliveries on a busy day and they were blocked by hotmail based on exceeding concurrent connection limits. It took quite an amount of work to have hotmail remove their automated block (phone calls, ceo to ceo, blah blah blah)
Re: how many connections?
Martin Volesky wrote: Ken Jones writes... There has been proof on this list that overall performance of qmails delivery mechanism is more efficent that "other MTA agents" multiple delivery mechanisms. Ken, I agree with you that the qmail delivery process is possibly more efficient. However, when talking to large mail hubs that use any type of connection queing/throtling mechanisms, the qmail method may run into problems. Martin, I understand your problem. However, you do not have any proof. Please provide proof of your imagined "problem" so that real people can design fixes to your "problem". Without real proof and measured performance, your supositions are just fancifal abstractions. And have no real persumption to reality. Ken Jones
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
Wayne Chu wrote: No, I am NOT spamming. Our company runs serveral daily e-newsletter, with totally about a half million of subscribers. We are planning to make an "open" newsletter plateform, let our web site members create their own personal newsletter ( authenticated and supervised by our staff to prevent spam mail ). we estimated the total number of subscribers and the number of newsletter will grow even more. Surely our member would want their newsletters to be sent ASAP. So we have to increase concurrency. Ah.. So you are not a spammer, except you assume all your "customers" want your email. Besides that moral issue, do you have measured information about the delivery statistics of qmail version other options? And our company is not in USA. In our country, there are only few large major ISPs dominate the market. I don't know what's the case in US, but nearly half of our current subscribers come from only 4 ISPs. We encountered only slight SMTP blocking problems now. But we expect the problem will grow with our subscribers and concurrency settings. Are you saying that your country is a pirate economy? Shall I embarrase you and trace your email? or do you wish to reveal which country you are from? Does your country harbor pirates? That's why we are looking for ways to deliver large number of newsletters with maximum speed possible, without overloading remote mail servers. If my questions cause controversy, I apologize. But never did I intend to abuse Internet e-mail. Sir. If your users are on your machines, you can just copy your emails to thier directories. But.. it seems like your users are spread over other peoples machines. Hence.. by definition, you are a spammer, sir. Ken Jones
Qmail 1.03 Crashes on Sparc (Sun ULTRA-10)
Hello all. Hope someone has an idea what is going on here, or what I can do to give more information on the situation. System: Sun ULTRA-10 running RedHat Linux 6.2 kernel 2.2.16-3, 512 RAM, 2 x 9 gig IDE HDD This conifg is repeated 2 times for the mail exchanger and backup exchanger Qmail installation: rebuilt memphis RPMs, qmail compiled from source, checkpassword compiled from source Problem Description: The sparc systems were solid without qmail running on them. They seem to be more solid when qmail is run _without_ the supervise and daemontools running. The maximum uptime for either of the systems is about 4 days before the box comes down, and has to be cold booted. Question: What should I be looking for/at? I'm thinking some quirky SPARC peculiarities? Maybe leaking memory, descriptors? What can I monitor and where? Background: I have installed qmail on many boxes (x86) and have it running wonderfully. I know the ins an outs of how qmail runs and is configured but I just can't get my head around this one :-( THX for your help. Martin Volesky - [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO - Deijlabs Corporation 1221 Mackay, Suite 200 Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3G 2H5 Tel.: 514.399.9930 Fax.: 514.399.1117
Re: how many connections?
On 07/12/00 at 12:32 AM Ken Jones wrote: Martin Volesky wrote: Ken, I agree with you that the qmail delivery process is possibly more efficient. However, when talking to large mail hubs that use any type of connection queing/throtling mechanisms, the qmail method may run into problems. Martin, I understand your problem. However, you do not have any proof. Please provide proof of your imagined "problem" so that real people can design fixes to your "problem". Without real proof and measured performance, your supositions are just fancifal abstractions. And have no real persumption to reality. I agree with you on the presumption point Ken. And further agree that numbers are always nice. What I was trying to do is stimulate a discussion about an abstract point and had nothing to do with factual matters. My wording definately reflects this. Discussion leads to a creative process called brainstorming which in turn leads to though out development - a cruscial aspect of programming you will agree... Martin Volesky - [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO - Deijlabs Corporation 1221 Mackay, Suite 200 Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3G 2H5 Tel.: 514.399.9930 Fax.: 514.399.1117
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:29:35AM -0600, Ken Jones wrote: Okay. All things being equal. I can understand that. Would you please explain what you mean "all things being equal". Beautiful. I couldn't have said it better. I'm way out of my league here - that's for sure. Regards.
Re: Qmail and Large Scale Dynamic Mailings
Ken Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sir. If your users are on your machines, you can just copy your emails to thier directories. But.. it seems like your users are spread over other peoples machines. Hence.. by definition, you are a spammer, sir. Please. You have no evidence to show he's a spammer. If the newsletters are run properly (i.e. with confirmed opt-in), he is doing the Right Thing. Furthermore, he's trying to be a responsible net-neighbour and not cause problem to other people's mailservers. That is something a lot of maillistserver admins would do well to emulate. -- "I live in the heart of the machine. We are one."
