[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Nick Payne]

On Monday, 11 October 2021 at 6:54:09 am UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 5:55:01 am UTC+11 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Hey Nick, great looking bike.  It looks like you are maxed out on width 
>> for the front fender, or is there a little more room to spare?  Are your 
>> fenders the Velo Orange Fluted 63mm?  I like the VOs for the price, but am 
>> wondering if the Honjo Flat 65 would fit in the Appaloosa fork, being 2mm 
>> wider than the VOs. My 2021 Appaloosa with Terravail Sparwood tires 
>> measures about 54mm wide on 700c Cliffhanger rims.
>
>
> No, if the fender was any wider, it would have to be indented each side 
> where it passes between the fork blades. It actually just touches the 
> inside of the fork blades where it passes them - I put a small circle of 
> clear protective plastic each side to prevent the paint being worn off by 
> the fender rubbing against the blades.
>

p.s. Yes, they are the Velo-Orange 63mm fluted fenders... 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Andrew Letton]

 +1 on the 700x60 Berthouds. I've had them on my Bombadil with 2.1 tires for 
about a decade now.cheers,Andrew in Sydney
On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 06:54:10 AM GMT+11, Edwin W 
 wrote:  
 
 I have been very happy with the Berthoud 700x60mm stainless steel fenders on 
my Appaloosa with 50mm 
tires.https://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-steel-fender-set/

Edwin

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:23:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

I have a set of Velo Orange Zeppelin fenders (fully fluted) on my rack bait 
commuter that I've been riding year round for seven years. I don't think you'll 
go wrong with the set you linked.
My V.O.s have weathered the seasonal precipitation and clanking in and out of 
industrial bike racks enough to earn the title of being durable. The front is 
long enough that I didn't have to add a ridiculous mudflap for good foot and 
drivetrain slop protection. The rear I installed with the front end below the 
BB for good protection for the drivetrain. No one follows me at my hours and I 
don't ride groups on that bike so I don't have a rear flap.  I do have a fender 
mounted wired tail light. I ran its wire from the left chain stay wrapped 
around the fender stay to use up excess, going under the fender almost where 
the light's mounted. Maybe shonkey for a show bike but I wan't in the cut, 
solder, shrink seal business at the moment. No damage, grounding events in 
seven years.
Andy CheathamPittsburgh
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,Winter is coming 
And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. My 
fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. I like 
long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
Here's where I'm at...    
   - Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for Californians 
   - PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, but 
unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
   - The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they look 
really short (here is the riv link with pic) and... plastic
   - Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are
These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a deciding 
factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After typing all of 
this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do folks here feel about 
them? How's their longevity?
thank you,Johnny B in Portland



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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 5:55:01 am UTC+11 brizbarn wrote:

> Hey Nick, great looking bike.  It looks like you are maxed out on width 
> for the front fender, or is there a little more room to spare?  Are your 
> fenders the Velo Orange Fluted 63mm?  I like the VOs for the price, but am 
> wondering if the Honjo Flat 65 would fit in the Appaloosa fork, being 2mm 
> wider than the VOs. My 2021 Appaloosa with Terravail Sparwood tires 
> measures about 54mm wide on 700c Cliffhanger rims.


No, if the fender was any wider, it would have to be indented each side 
where it passes between the fork blades. It actually just touches the 
inside of the fork blades where it passes them - I put a small circle of 
clear protective plastic each side to prevent the paint being worn off by 
the fender rubbing against the blades.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[WETH]

Link for Woody's: https://www.woodysfenders.com/

On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 2:32:31 PM UTC-4 WETH wrote:

> Johnny,
> I went with Woody Fenders for my Hunq to cover my 650b x 2.4 tires.  Photo 
> attached.
> All the best,
> Erl
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>>
>> Here's where I'm at... 
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>>Californians 
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>>look really short (here 
>>
>> 
>>  is 
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[brizbarn]

Hey Nick, great looking bike.  It looks like you are maxed out on width for 
the front fender, or is there a little more room to spare?  Are your 
fenders the Velo Orange Fluted 63mm?  I like the VOs for the price, but am 
wondering if the Honjo Flat 65 would fit in the Appaloosa fork, being 2mm 
wider than the VOs. My 2021 Appaloosa with Terravail Sparwood tires 
measures about 54mm wide on 700c Cliffhanger rims.

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 1:00:37 am UTC+11 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>> Let me know how you make out with getting those fenders to play along 
>> with the V brakes…I have never had much luck
>
>  
> I have Velo-Orange mudguards on my Appaloosa over 55mm tyres (Schwalbe 
> Almotion rear, Antelope Hill front). I used Deore XT V-brake on the front, 
> but not on the rear because the rack support arms got in the way. The 
> V-brake just clears the fender:
> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183[1].jpg]
> [image: PXL_20201030_014818902[1].jpg]
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Jason Fuller]

I definitely would go Simworks Honjo 'Flat 65' , or VO Fluted 63mm.  Both 
would clear your tires nicely and meet all your specs.  The VO's come 
pre-drilled which speeds up installation, while the Simworks require 
drilling, which gives you the freedom to set your alignment how you like 
(ie, I like to keep the front fender up off the ground a bit more and use a 
flap to extend, so that it doesn't catch roots and high curbs). 

In either case, get a pair of PDW Safety Tabs for use on the front stays 
instead of the factory hardware. This is a must IMO, given that I've 
experienced the 'stick in the fender' toss over the handlebars which could 
have easily been life alteringly bad.  They fit both the Simworks and VO 
stays, but not all brands. 

On Sunday, 3 October 2021 at 11:45:34 UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Edwin W]

I have been very happy with the Berthoud 700x60mm stainless steel fenders 
on my Appaloosa with 50mm tires.
https://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-steel-fender-set/

Edwin


On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:23:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I have a set of Velo Orange Zeppelin fenders (fully fluted) on my rack 
> bait commuter that I've been riding year round for seven years. I don't 
> think you'll go wrong with the set you linked.
>
> My V.O.s have weathered the seasonal precipitation and clanking in and out 
> of industrial bike racks enough to earn the title of being durable. The 
> front is long enough that I didn't have to add a ridiculous mudflap for 
> good foot and drivetrain slop protection. The rear I installed with the 
> front end below the BB for good protection for the drivetrain. No one 
> follows me at my hours and I don't ride groups on that bike so I don't have 
> a rear flap.  I do have a fender mounted wired tail light. I ran its wire 
> from the left chain stay wrapped around the fender stay to use up excess, 
> going under the fender almost where the light's mounted. Maybe shonkey for 
> a show bike but I wan't in the cut, solder, shrink seal business at the 
> moment. No damage, grounding events in seven years.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>>
>> Here's where I'm at... 
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>>Californians 
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>>look really short (here 
>>
>> 
>>  is 
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[ascpgh]

I have a set of Velo Orange Zeppelin fenders (fully fluted) on my rack bait 
commuter that I've been riding year round for seven years. I don't think 
you'll go wrong with the set you linked.

My V.O.s have weathered the seasonal precipitation and clanking in and out 
of industrial bike racks enough to earn the title of being durable. The 
front is long enough that I didn't have to add a ridiculous mudflap for 
good foot and drivetrain slop protection. The rear I installed with the 
front end below the BB for good protection for the drivetrain. No one 
follows me at my hours and I don't ride groups on that bike so I don't have 
a rear flap.  I do have a fender mounted wired tail light. I ran its wire 
from the left chain stay wrapped around the fender stay to use up excess, 
going under the fender almost where the light's mounted. Maybe shonkey for 
a show bike but I wan't in the cut, solder, shrink seal business at the 
moment. No damage, grounding events in seven years.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Steven Sweedler]

I get more positive comments about my flat wood fenders than anything else
on my bikes. I haven’t ridden in any downpours lately but have not been
disappointed in their coverage. From Woodysfenders.com
Steve

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 7:39 AM lconley  wrote:

> I have two sets of Honjo H-95 (65.5mm wide and flat). Simworks sells even
> wider versions in flat (79mm) and curved (72.5). Plenty long. I use the
> wide Honjo fender flaps with them.
> I just bought some PDW fender safety tabs from Rivendell to use with them
> on my Rivendell Keven's Cargo bike - 27.5x2.25 Kenda Kwik Seven.5 Sports.
> The other set is on my Bombadil - 650B x 57 Schwalbe G-One Allrounds.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires.
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short.
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.
>>
>> Here's where I'm at...
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for
>>Californians
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike,
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they
>>look really short (here
>>
>> 
>>  is
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[lconley]

I have two sets of Honjo H-95 (65.5mm wide and flat). Simworks sells even 
wider versions in flat (79mm) and curved (72.5). Plenty long. I use the 
wide Honjo fender flaps with them.
I just bought some PDW fender safety tabs from Rivendell to use with them 
on my Rivendell Keven's Cargo bike - 27.5x2.25 Kenda Kwik Seven.5 Sports. 
The other set is on my Bombadil - 650B x 57 Schwalbe G-One Allrounds.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[iamkeith]

The B65s are great.  I had them on my Clem with 2.4 tires and was able to 
get the curve to follow the tire more perfectly than with any other fender 
ever.  They ARE short but that's perfect for me too.  Especially with such 
a long bike, I'm in the habit of standing it up vertically on it's rear 
wheel in order to walk/maneuver it through tight spaces or to do a 180 
turn.  If the fender was longer, it would interfere and I'd cut it shorter 
anyway.  I'll look for a photo so you can see the extent of coverage to 
expect.

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:19:23 PM UTC-6 Corwin wrote:

> Hi Johnny -
>
> I have a Hubbuhubbuh with Schwalbe Hurricane Ridge Tires. Mounted on 
> Velocity Cliffhanger rims, they measure approximately 61mm from 
> sidewall-to-sidewall. This does not include the outside knobs. I have SKS 
> Blumels fenders . 
> Blumels are advertised to take tires up to 65mm. I recommend them highly. 
> You might need to do a little carving with a file or dremel to get them to 
> fit inside your frame. But the coverage is wonderful.
>
> Be sure to get the "long" version. The ones that are not "long" take 
> protect people behind you, but not your drivetrain. I got mine from 
> Rivendell. I expect these fenders to last many, many years.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>>
>> Here's where I'm at... 
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>>Californians 
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>>look really short (here 
>>
>> 
>>  is 
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Corwin]

Hi Johnny -

I have a Hubbuhubbuh with Schwalbe Hurricane Ridge Tires. Mounted on 
Velocity Cliffhanger rims, they measure approximately 61mm from 
sidewall-to-sidewall. This does not include the outside knobs. I have SKS 
Blumels fenders . 
Blumels are advertised to take tires up to 65mm. I recommend them highly. 
You might need to do a little carving with a file or dremel to get them to 
fit inside your frame. But the coverage is wonderful.

Be sure to get the "long" version. The ones that are not "long" take 
protect people behind you, but not your drivetrain. I got mine from 
Rivendell. I expect these fenders to last many, many years.

Namaste,


Corwin
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[spencer robinson]

Let me know how you make out with getting those fenders to play along with 
the V brakes…I have never had much luck

On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 12:30:23 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I have some VO noir 63mm fenders for my non-Riv custom, to cover Fleecer 
> ridge tire. 
> Unfortunately, the fenders are still in their (quite nice) packaging, 
> hanging on the wall of my shed. 
>
> The fenders look great, and in the future I will figure out how to mount 
> them with V-brakes. For my particular bike, that looks non-trivial, since 
> the brake cross-wire would pass directly through the fender. My hypothesis 
> is that I can just run the wire OVER the fender with a bit of helicopter 
> tape to protect the fender. Wires go around corners all the time. 
> I haven't tested my hypothesis yet, but if you've got V brakes, you might 
> want to visualize where the fender will intersect. 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>>
>> Here's where I'm at... 
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>>Californians 
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>>look really short (here 
>>
>> 
>>  is 
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Philip Williamson]

I have some VO noir 63mm fenders for my non-Riv custom, to cover Fleecer 
ridge tire. 
Unfortunately, the fenders are still in their (quite nice) packaging, 
hanging on the wall of my shed. 

The fenders look great, and in the future I will figure out how to mount 
them with V-brakes. For my particular bike, that looks non-trivial, since 
the brake cross-wire would pass directly through the fender. My hypothesis 
is that I can just run the wire OVER the fender with a bit of helicopter 
tape to protect the fender. Wires go around corners all the time. 
I haven't tested my hypothesis yet, but if you've got V brakes, you might 
want to visualize where the fender will intersect. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for train commute

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 8:08:34 PM UTC-8, Eric G wrote:
>
> The rainy season has started in SF and I am considering putting fenders on 
> my Sam. I commute daily on the Caltrain where people stack their bikes side 
> by side. Generally folks are not very considerate about how they place 
> their bikes. Would fenders be easily broken or damaged in transit? Anyone 
> have experience with this? Would certain brands be sturdier than others?


 Eric, while there are certainly inconsiderate Caltrain cyclists, I will 
say I’ve only suffered damage on my fender once in almost 10 years of 
Caltrain ridership (way back when there was just one bike car per train, 
and no one had Clipper). Just be a little more vigilant about which bikes 
you park with (find regulars to help occupy a whole berth), try to park 
more upright, and you should be fine. The type of fender shouldn’t matter 
too much as all fenders should flex enough to butt up against tires.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders

[Ron Mc]

My Honjo fenders make no noise whatsoever.  Rather than a kit, get the 
undrilled blanks from Jitensha, drill all your own holes, customize all 
your hardware, use fork crown daruma, rubber washser, figure how to attach 
them to your front rack

   


Tire wipers mounted backwards scrape mud from the tires and reject 
everything except chalk from entering your fenders

   

I've had these flipped backwards - they don't do anything except squeal and 
reject the stick that flipped them backwards.  



they work, and they look damn good



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[RBW] Re: Fenders

[Craig Montgomery]

What Univega touring bike Bill? Can you post photos? 

Craig in Tucson

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:23:27 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden with fenders off and on going way back.  I’ve only used 
> plastic fenders and never paid too much attention to the cosmetics of it 
> all - just tried to get them on and running without tire rub.  Naturally, 
> seeing all the beautiful pictures of bikes that show up here with nice 
> metal fenders, or wood, I’ve wondered what it would be like to get some 
> nice aluminum fenders installed instead of the SKS I have on my Atlantis. 
>  Not only might they look nice but I’ve read they don’t rattle as much so 
> are quieter than plastic fenders. 
>
> A few weeks ago, I bought an old Univega touring bike that had been 
> customized. What caught my attention was the full dynamo hub lighting 
> system.  I bought the bike for no other reason than to get the lighting 
> system for my Atlantis.  Although the bike was old and the build overall 
> did not look too recent, the lighting system seemed to be almost unused and 
> I got the whole bike for less than what I could have built up my own new 
> lighting system. 
>
> So back to fenders.  In addition to the lights, this bike had Honjo 
> fenders so here was my chance to see what some nice aluminum fenders are 
> all about.  Unfortunately, the fenders are rather narrow so there was no 
> way I could install them on my Atlantis with the 50mm tires I’m running.  I 
> chose instead to install them on my old Trek 720 mostly just to see what 
> they were all about.  I had read that metal fenders can be a challenge to 
> install requiring patience.  I learned this is true.  What, I think, I also 
> discovered is that these fenders wrap so much of the tire that removing and 
> installing the rear wheel with the horizontal dropouts is a bit of a 
> challenge and a nice fender line pretty much impossible (not that that was 
> ever very important to me).  I have tentatively decided these things are 
> made for bikes with vertical dropouts. 
>
> What I have not been able to confirm is that metal fenders are quiet or 
> even quieter than plastic fenders.  On my first ride, the front fender 
> rattled on any but the smoothest pavement.  I’ve traced that to the stay 
> mounting bracket on the fender and I think I can solve that rattle.  BUT, 
> the rear fender, while it does not rattle, it seems to function as an echo 
> chamber or whisper dome that amplifies all the noise of the drivetrain!  I 
> have trouble attributing this annoying feature to my lack of installation 
> skills.  After only one ride (maybe I need to be more patient), I’m kinda 
> thinking these things may not be for me.  Has anyone else encountered this? 
>  What am I missing about these things?  If I can’t figure that out I may be 
> trying to find a new home for these and probably drop thoughts of 
> converting to metal on the Atlantis. 
>
>
> Ha, the cockpit shown here also came from the Univega.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders

[George Schick]

Correction to my previous:  If the chain stay is threaded, you'd need to 
drill it out so you can use a bolt with the self locking nut on the end. 
 Otherwise, the spring could not be compressed.  Not sure what I was 
thinking about.

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:19:34 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>
> There are two ways you and "clean up" the fender line on the rear of that 
> Trek, if you wish:  One way is get a small plastic spacer from the hardware 
> store (they come in different diameters and lengths) and install it between 
> the fender and the chain stay, using a longer bolt.  This will probably 
> necessitate letting the air out of the rear tire to remove the wheel, which 
> can be a pain.  But that's the way mine are and I've learned to live with 
> it.  Or you can use a longer bolt and install a spring between the fender 
> and the chain stay.  The springs, too, are available in different sizes 
> from the hardware.  That way, when you want to remove the rear wheel you 
> can just push it forward, compressing the spring, in order to get enough 
> clearance.  If the chain stay is not threaded, but just drilled, be sure to 
> install a self locking nut on the end of the bolt to keep it from loosening.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:23:27 AM UTC-6, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden with fenders off and on going way back.  I’ve only used 
>> plastic fenders and never paid too much attention to the cosmetics of it 
>> all - just tried to get them on and running without tire rub.  Naturally, 
>> seeing all the beautiful pictures of bikes that show up here with nice 
>> metal fenders, or wood, I’ve wondered what it would be like to get some 
>> nice aluminum fenders installed instead of the SKS I have on my Atlantis. 
>>  Not only might they look nice but I’ve read they don’t rattle as much so 
>> are quieter than plastic fenders. 
>>
>> A few weeks ago, I bought an old Univega touring bike that had been 
>> customized. What caught my attention was the full dynamo hub lighting 
>> system.  I bought the bike for no other reason than to get the lighting 
>> system for my Atlantis.  Although the bike was old and the build overall 
>> did not look too recent, the lighting system seemed to be almost unused and 
>> I got the whole bike for less than what I could have built up my own new 
>> lighting system. 
>>
>> So back to fenders.  In addition to the lights, this bike had Honjo 
>> fenders so here was my chance to see what some nice aluminum fenders are 
>> all about.  Unfortunately, the fenders are rather narrow so there was no 
>> way I could install them on my Atlantis with the 50mm tires I’m running.  I 
>> chose instead to install them on my old Trek 720 mostly just to see what 
>> they were all about.  I had read that metal fenders can be a challenge to 
>> install requiring patience.  I learned this is true.  What, I think, I also 
>> discovered is that these fenders wrap so much of the tire that removing and 
>> installing the rear wheel with the horizontal dropouts is a bit of a 
>> challenge and a nice fender line pretty much impossible (not that that was 
>> ever very important to me).  I have tentatively decided these things are 
>> made for bikes with vertical dropouts. 
>>
>> What I have not been able to confirm is that metal fenders are quiet or 
>> even quieter than plastic fenders.  On my first ride, the front fender 
>> rattled on any but the smoothest pavement.  I’ve traced that to the stay 
>> mounting bracket on the fender and I think I can solve that rattle.  BUT, 
>> the rear fender, while it does not rattle, it seems to function as an echo 
>> chamber or whisper dome that amplifies all the noise of the drivetrain!  I 
>> have trouble attributing this annoying feature to my lack of installation 
>> skills.  After only one ride (maybe I need to be more patient), I’m kinda 
>> thinking these things may not be for me.  Has anyone else encountered this? 
>>  What am I missing about these things?  If I can’t figure that out I may be 
>> trying to find a new home for these and probably drop thoughts of 
>> converting to metal on the Atlantis. 
>>
>>
>> Ha, the cockpit shown here also came from the Univega.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders

[George Schick]

There are two ways you and "clean up" the fender line on the rear of that 
Trek, if you wish:  One way is get a small plastic spacer from the hardware 
store (they come in different diameters and lengths) and install it between 
the fender and the chain stay, using a longer bolt.  This will probably 
necessitate letting the air out of the rear tire to remove the wheel, which 
can be a pain.  But that's the way mine are and I've learned to live with 
it.  Or you can use a longer bolt and install a spring between the fender 
and the chain stay.  The springs, too, are available in different sizes 
from the hardware.  That way, when you want to remove the rear wheel you 
can just push it forward, compressing the spring, in order to get enough 
clearance.  If the chain stay is not threaded, but just drilled, be sure to 
install a self locking nut on the end of the bolt to keep it from loosening.


On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:23:27 AM UTC-6, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden with fenders off and on going way back.  I’ve only used 
> plastic fenders and never paid too much attention to the cosmetics of it 
> all - just tried to get them on and running without tire rub.  Naturally, 
> seeing all the beautiful pictures of bikes that show up here with nice 
> metal fenders, or wood, I’ve wondered what it would be like to get some 
> nice aluminum fenders installed instead of the SKS I have on my Atlantis. 
>  Not only might they look nice but I’ve read they don’t rattle as much so 
> are quieter than plastic fenders. 
>
> A few weeks ago, I bought an old Univega touring bike that had been 
> customized. What caught my attention was the full dynamo hub lighting 
> system.  I bought the bike for no other reason than to get the lighting 
> system for my Atlantis.  Although the bike was old and the build overall 
> did not look too recent, the lighting system seemed to be almost unused and 
> I got the whole bike for less than what I could have built up my own new 
> lighting system. 
>
> So back to fenders.  In addition to the lights, this bike had Honjo 
> fenders so here was my chance to see what some nice aluminum fenders are 
> all about.  Unfortunately, the fenders are rather narrow so there was no 
> way I could install them on my Atlantis with the 50mm tires I’m running.  I 
> chose instead to install them on my old Trek 720 mostly just to see what 
> they were all about.  I had read that metal fenders can be a challenge to 
> install requiring patience.  I learned this is true.  What, I think, I also 
> discovered is that these fenders wrap so much of the tire that removing and 
> installing the rear wheel with the horizontal dropouts is a bit of a 
> challenge and a nice fender line pretty much impossible (not that that was 
> ever very important to me).  I have tentatively decided these things are 
> made for bikes with vertical dropouts. 
>
> What I have not been able to confirm is that metal fenders are quiet or 
> even quieter than plastic fenders.  On my first ride, the front fender 
> rattled on any but the smoothest pavement.  I’ve traced that to the stay 
> mounting bracket on the fender and I think I can solve that rattle.  BUT, 
> the rear fender, while it does not rattle, it seems to function as an echo 
> chamber or whisper dome that amplifies all the noise of the drivetrain!  I 
> have trouble attributing this annoying feature to my lack of installation 
> skills.  After only one ride (maybe I need to be more patient), I’m kinda 
> thinking these things may not be for me.  Has anyone else encountered this? 
>  What am I missing about these things?  If I can’t figure that out I may be 
> trying to find a new home for these and probably drop thoughts of 
> converting to metal on the Atlantis. 
>
>
> Ha, the cockpit shown here also came from the Univega.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In my experience metal fenders are definitely not quieter than plastic, and 
take some extra tinkering to achieve a similar noise level.  Leather 
washers help, as does an extra attachment point over the front if it 
extends far forward.  The noise is also different in nature: metal rings 
while plastic makes more of a clacking sound.  The ringing is more invasive 
to my ears.  I haven't found that the Honjos wrap more than a couple inches 
more of the rear wheel than my SKS fenders do.  For both, if I want a nice 
tight fender line I need to deflate the tire to remove or replace the 
wheel.  After doing that a couple times I decided that I could aim for nice 
but not tight :-D  All my plastic fenders are 10 to 30 years old, and none 
of them are as even or nice as the metal fenders, but from 10' away and 
moving 10+ mph they look FINE.  I would be curious to know if anyone has 
mounted plastic fenders using the mounting system from the Honjos.  That 
could possibly achieve the more finished look with the quieter material.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders

[Sean B.]

A little leather under each mounting bracket will help silence the 
rattling. 

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:23:27 AM UTC-6, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden with fenders off and on going way back.  I’ve only used 
> plastic fenders and never paid too much attention to the cosmetics of it 
> all - just tried to get them on and running without tire rub.  Naturally, 
> seeing all the beautiful pictures of bikes that show up here with nice 
> metal fenders, or wood, I’ve wondered what it would be like to get some 
> nice aluminum fenders installed instead of the SKS I have on my Atlantis. 
>  Not only might they look nice but I’ve read they don’t rattle as much so 
> are quieter than plastic fenders. 
>
> A few weeks ago, I bought an old Univega touring bike that had been 
> customized. What caught my attention was the full dynamo hub lighting 
> system.  I bought the bike for no other reason than to get the lighting 
> system for my Atlantis.  Although the bike was old and the build overall 
> did not look too recent, the lighting system seemed to be almost unused and 
> I got the whole bike for less than what I could have built up my own new 
> lighting system. 
>
> So back to fenders.  In addition to the lights, this bike had Honjo 
> fenders so here was my chance to see what some nice aluminum fenders are 
> all about.  Unfortunately, the fenders are rather narrow so there was no 
> way I could install them on my Atlantis with the 50mm tires I’m running.  I 
> chose instead to install them on my old Trek 720 mostly just to see what 
> they were all about.  I had read that metal fenders can be a challenge to 
> install requiring patience.  I learned this is true.  What, I think, I also 
> discovered is that these fenders wrap so much of the tire that removing and 
> installing the rear wheel with the horizontal dropouts is a bit of a 
> challenge and a nice fender line pretty much impossible (not that that was 
> ever very important to me).  I have tentatively decided these things are 
> made for bikes with vertical dropouts. 
>
> What I have not been able to confirm is that metal fenders are quiet or 
> even quieter than plastic fenders.  On my first ride, the front fender 
> rattled on any but the smoothest pavement.  I’ve traced that to the stay 
> mounting bracket on the fender and I think I can solve that rattle.  BUT, 
> the rear fender, while it does not rattle, it seems to function as an echo 
> chamber or whisper dome that amplifies all the noise of the drivetrain!  I 
> have trouble attributing this annoying feature to my lack of installation 
> skills.  After only one ride (maybe I need to be more patient), I’m kinda 
> thinking these things may not be for me.  Has anyone else encountered this? 
>  What am I missing about these things?  If I can’t figure that out I may be 
> trying to find a new home for these and probably drop thoughts of 
> converting to metal on the Atlantis. 
>
>
> Ha, the cockpit shown here also came from the Univega.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Patrick Moore]

I find TCO annoying, but all the bikes that I've had with this character
have had it without fenders, so I've chosen or avoided fenders for other
reasons, and I've found that, in fact, adding a bit more TCO with fenders
to a bike that already has TCO without doesn't make it worse -- in my own
experience, at least. In fact, in one case, fenders made it easier to deal
with: old Motobecane racing bike with shortish front center: I found that
adding VO aluminum fenders (35? 40?) actually helped my foot slide off the
wheel easier, or perhaps better, not catch on the wheel as easily.

But then I commuted in heavy urban traffic on fixed gears (no backpedaling)
with TCO, and found it just an annoyance, not a danger. You get used to it,
so much so that I automatically prepare for it even on bikes that don't
have it.

So if your bike has it without, you might as well put them on.

And all that said, I'd rather not have it if I didn't have to give anything
else up.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Stuart Lovinggood 
wrote:

> After a couple battles with toe overlap, none of which ended in total
> disaster but still troubling, I decided to postpone my fender experience
> and swapped out slicks and fenders for Smart Sams on my Joe. I am pleased
> with this decision. Maybe I'll take any intermittent rainy weather we get
> here in Austin as a sign to take a break from the bike, and the fenders
> didn't do much to keep the Texas dust off my drivetrain. I'll save them
> if/when I move to a wetter climate.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Stuart Lovinggood]

After a couple battles with toe overlap, none of which ended in total 
disaster but still troubling, I decided to postpone my fender experience 
and swapped out slicks and fenders for Smart Sams on my Joe. I am pleased 
with this decision. Maybe I'll take any intermittent rainy weather we get 
here in Austin as a sign to take a break from the bike, and the fenders 
didn't do much to keep the Texas dust off my drivetrain. I'll save them 
if/when I move to a wetter climate. 

OT but IMO, a lugged bike with knobby tires gets me going in a certain way. 

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 1:42:17 AM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[William R.]

Thanks John. I will keep them in mind. Also the colorful new ones that Riv has. 
Last night I crudely cut one out of an old water bottle and duct taped it to 
the front fender. Of course it was completely dry out there this morning. If it 
has the desired result I may "upgrade" to an actual product mudlap at some 
point.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[John Hawrylak]

William R
 
I used the vinyl rubber mud flaps from Planet Bike on the front SKS P45.  
Extends a good 6", fit good and looks good.  Drilled 2 holes in fender and 
secured with a tie wrap.   
 
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

 
 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.



When the weather gets generally dry I prefer to not have fenders on my 
Appaloosa. We do have a lot of squirrelly squirrels here in the north eastern 
US. Lots of rabbits too on the MUP. They behave differently from squirrels but 
also unpredictably! So, yes, I worry about that happening. Sticks too. Hasn't 
happened yet, but still... I would say it's about 50/50 for the year on average 
having fenders on/off. I totally agree with bsnyc about riding through unknown 
nasty stuff in the city too. So when I head in that direction I like to be 
covered. It has been pretty wet here for most of May. My morning ride for the 
1st of June was no different. My back side and saddle bag stay dry as does the 
headset. But with all of the organic matter falling from the trees right now 
I've been getting this mess. I think I will try to make a mud flap from an old 
water bottle tonight and see how that goes. Seems like I just need one on the 
front so I will start with that. Those are the P65s over Maxxis Torches if 
anyone wants to know. 


Bill in Westchester, NY



 




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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[William R.]

When the weather gets generally dry I prefer to not have fenders on my 
Appaloosa. We do have a lot of squirrelly squirrels here in the north 
eastern US. Lots of rabbits too on the MUP. They behave differently from 
squirrels but also unpredictably! So, yes, I worry about that happening. 
Sticks too. Hasn't happened yet, but still... I would say it's about 50/50 
for the year on average having fenders on/off. I totally agree with bsnyc 
about riding through unknown nasty stuff in the city too. So when I head in 
that direction I like to be covered. It has been pretty wet here for most 
of May. My morning ride for the 1st of June was no different. My back side 
and saddle bag stay dry as does the headset. But with all of the organic 
matter falling from the trees right now I've been getting this mess. I 
think I will try to make a mud flap from an old water bottle tonight and 
see how that goes. Seems like I just need one on the front so I will start 
with that. Those are the P65s over Maxxis Torches if anyone wants to know. 

Bill in Westchester, NY


 



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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[John Bokman]

I second Michael's wish for further information.

I use Barlows, and although I've got plenty of clearance with my Berthoud 
fenders, I have often thought I'll try the Bon Jons when I eventually wear 
the tread down. I like the ride with the Barlows, but I also liked the ride 
with Jack Brown Greens, because it was a bit quicker to turn. Since I 
mostly ride on road, I don't really need the 38mm width. So maybe the Bon 
Jons would be the Goldilocks tire for me. Yet, I worry that the tire, being 
"tubeless compatible" might be difficult to seat on my Velocity Synergy 
rims?



On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:06:03 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> More gears, less tire. Interesting choice.  I look forward to a post from 
> you on how the tires compare and how the 10 spd friction works out.  Do 
> include more specifics about the drive chain and start a new thread.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 12:50:12 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>>
>> I did a refresh on my AHH which now sports 10 spd friction and sized down 
>> from 38mm EL Barlow Pass to 35mm EL Bon Jon Pass tires.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's why they call 'em squirrels--'cause they're squirrelly. Hello.

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:11:55 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Dear Ron,
>
> I was just speaking to someone about squirrels while driving and how that 
> person tries to avoid hitting them but she mentioned that they always seem 
> to run across the street, at the last minute.
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> squirrels are more frightening than charging deer, because they try twice 
>> to run through your spokes.  
>> A buddy was laughing me on a wooded greenway for ringing my bike bell at 
>> squirrels.  
>>
>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:54:16 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear John,
>>>
>>> Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the 
>>> crack in the fork?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[John Hawrylak]

Lee
Don't know, was just asking the question about what is fork material.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:54:16 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:

> Dear John,
>
> Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the crack 
> in the fork?
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:17 AM, John Hawrylak  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Steel, Al, Ti or Carbon???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ 
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Michael Hechmer]

More gears, less tire. Interesting choice.  I look forward to a post from 
you on how the tires compare and how the 10 spd friction works out.  Do 
include more specifics about the drive chain and start a new thread.

Michael

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 12:50:12 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
>
> I did a refresh on my AHH which now sports 10 spd friction and sized down 
> from 38mm EL Barlow Pass to 35mm EL Bon Jon Pass tires.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

and back across

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:11:55 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Dear Ron,
>
> I was just speaking to someone about squirrels while driving and how that 
> person tries to avoid hitting them but she mentioned that they always seem 
> to run across the street, at the last minute.
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> squirrels are more frightening than charging deer, because they try twice 
>> to run through your spokes.  
>> A buddy was laughing me on a wooded greenway for ringing my bike bell at 
>> squirrels.  
>>
>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:54:16 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear John,
>>>
>>> Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the 
>>> crack in the fork?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Lee Legrand]

Dear Ron,

I was just speaking to someone about squirrels while driving and how that
person tries to avoid hitting them but she mentioned that they always seem
to run across the street, at the last minute.

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> squirrels are more frightening than charging deer, because they try twice
> to run through your spokes.
> A buddy was laughing me on a wooded greenway for ringing my bike bell at
> squirrels.
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:54:16 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the crack
>> in the fork?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

squirrels are more frightening than charging deer, because they try twice 
to run through your spokes.  
A buddy was laughing me on a wooded greenway for ringing my bike bell at 
squirrels.  

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:54:16 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Dear John,
>
> Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the crack 
> in the fork?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Lee Legrand]

Dear John,

Did a squirrel get stuck within the wheel while riding, causing the crack
in the fork?

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:17 AM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

>
> Steel, Al, Ti or Carbon???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

whodathunk carbon fork found its break-away safety niche

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:17:40 AM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
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>
> Steel, Al, Ti or Carbon???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ 
>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[John Hawrylak]

Steel, Al, Ti or Carbon???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[John Hawrylak]

Steve
Well Stated.

Do you use the safety tabs with the metal fenders??

John Hawrylak
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

Excellent point, Andy. I have indeed noticed my Racing Ralphs are excellent 
at not collecting much mud or snow and then rapidly throwing off any that 
does get on. I suspect a combination of tread pattern and compound.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 5:04:24 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Tread compounds vary in affinity to mud and snow. I'm sure there is some 
> intention to that attribute. I had a set of Tioga Route 66 "mud" tires that 
> , despite a full knobby pattern, didn't fill in and accumulate mud. The 
> unintentional benefit I discovered was that snow didn't stick either. 
>
> A later 2.2" knobby tire in the snow complete with "bad idea" fenders:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
>
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Oddly I do not notice more detritus pickup with Racing Ralphs than 
>> Thunder Burts, though I certainly imagine they do, it's just not noticeable.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 4:31:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Question, Patrick: the Thunderburt knobs are hardly bigger than those on 
>>> the F Freds. Still: are the knobs too big for comfort and fenders together? 
>>> I suppose that by the time you are at the Racing Ralph or R size-knob, 
>>> you are clearly at more risk. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[ascpgh]

Tread compounds vary in affinity to mud and snow. I'm sure there is some 
intention to that attribute. I had a set of Tioga Route 66 "mud" tires that 
, despite a full knobby pattern, didn't fill in and accumulate mud. The 
unintentional benefit I discovered was that snow didn't stick either. 

A later 2.2" knobby tire in the snow complete with "bad idea" fenders:




Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Oddly I do not notice more detritus pickup with Racing Ralphs than Thunder 
> Burts, though I certainly imagine they do, it's just not noticeable.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 4:31:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> Question, Patrick: the Thunderburt knobs are hardly bigger than those on 
>> the F Freds. Still: are the knobs too big for comfort and fenders together? 
>> I suppose that by the time you are at the Racing Ralph or R size-knob, 
>> you are clearly at more risk. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Chris Chen]

This thread is bit confusing to me.

Fender related crashes seem anecdotal, I live in western Oregon so rain is
far from anecdotal.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 09:50 Brian Campbell  wrote:

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> I did a refresh on my AHH which now sports 10 spd friction and sized down
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Brian Campbell]

I did a refresh on my AHH which now sports 10 spd friction and sized down 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

20 spokes is an invitation for a lot of things to go wrong.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 1:30:39 AM UTC-6, Nick Payne wrote:
>
> On Friday, 26 May 2017 16:42:17 UTC+10, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
>> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
>> the shoulders.
>> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
>> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>>
>
> If you're worried about that, you'd better stop riding a bike that has 
> fork blades, which are considerably stouter than the most rigid and firmly 
> fixed of fender stays.
>
> Squirrel meets fork:
>
> 
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 26 May 2017 16:42:17 UTC+10, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>

If you're worried about that, you'd better stop riding a bike that has fork 
blades, which are considerably stouter than the most rigid and firmly fixed 
of fender stays.

Squirrel meets fork:


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[William deRosset]

Dear Steve, 

On roads, metal fenders, reasonable clearance, and slicks? Lightning will 
strike first. Knobbies, rocky single-track, plastic fenders, tight trails in 
the woods? Buy spares. 

My Wednesday Night Lights bike goes through two Honjos a year because I set my 
650b machine up for gravel road travel/commuting and take it Hucking/ mountain 
biking at night after work. If I were better at manualing a bike over 
unexpected drops it would be no problem.

No trouble with sticks etc., but I kill front fenders on drop-offs. My rear 
light wiring got sheared off last week. It is time to pound out the fenders and 
run a new wire.

As a point of comparison, my RH, with 40k plus miles on the road, is on its 
original front fender

When I still used SKS fenders, I blew through a couple of fronts a year just 
knocking around on the road, and got knocked down a couple of times. Metal 
fenders, properly mounted, are a vig step up in both reliability and 
efficiency. They are also ordinarily about 200g lighter than the same width 
chromoplaatics. Honjos or Berthoud are both pretty challenging to mount to 
Rivendells with horizontal dropouts, as Grant didn't set his bridges carefully..

Best,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Dave Johnston]

I wanted to run semi knobbies on the Atlantis for the C canal so came up 
with this ugly setup. The front is a stay-less MTB fender that at least 
keeps the spray off the water bottles, headset, and out of your face (but 
not your shoes or the drivetrain). The rear has lots of clearance but that 
was because I had been experimenting with tires and didn't want to readjust 
the fender line each time. This helped alot to keep the trail grime off me 
and the bike. The CnO stays wet days after it rains. The front flops around 
but doesn't touch the tire and seems not to catch sticks.


-Dave J







On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 2:42:17 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Patrick Moore]

Jeff: just saw this. I mean, fenders and properly weighted raincape keep my
backside dry *during* downpours and *while* riding through deep puddles. My
feet and legs to knee get wet, but not anything above the knee (the knee is
more or less the dividing point). Perhaps you didn't see my reference to
the rain cape.

(This isn't addressed to Jeff, but to the person starting the thread.) With
the mileage Steve P does, I have to give some weight to his observation.
*(Reluctantly.)* And once again, how many millions of riders ride daily and
have ridden daily for a century or more with fenders, and without incident?

Patrick Moore, who just rode his fenderless gofast on the hilly and windy
westside (to and around and about the Petroglyph Nat Mnt area) *without any
fenders whatsoever!*

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 05/27/2017 03:19 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
>
>> Patrick - are you speaking about keeping your backside dry traversing
>> deep puddles and gutters AFTER the downpour or during? I say during a
>> downpour, your backside is getting wet from above enough such that any tire
>> spray from below is negligible in terms of wetness, though it may be more
>> foul from below, but yes, after a downpour, fenders will work wonders in
>> any depth of water to keep spray off of the feet and the back.
>>
>
> "Tire spray from below" is never "negligible".  And "more foul" hardly
> begins to describe it if you are riding in a place where Amish and
> Mennonite buggies have been using the roads -- as is the case in areas of
> Southern Maryland where I ride, and in Lancaster PA (where the Covered
> Bridge Metric seems to have rain about as often as it does not).
>
> As for the subject of this thread: let me say today I cheated death yet
> again, as I have done time and time again over the years.  I've never
> picked up a stick, and when Jan Heine inquired on this subject among the
> old French randonneurs they'd never seen crumpled metal fenders.  If you
> ride roads and use metal fenders and have proper clearance in your
> installation, then pretty much this is a non-issue about on a par with
> worrying about being struck by lightning.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/27/2017 03:19 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
Patrick - are you speaking about keeping your backside dry traversing 
deep puddles and gutters AFTER the downpour or during? I say during a 
downpour, your backside is getting wet from above enough such that any 
tire spray from below is negligible in terms of wetness, though it may 
be more foul from below, but yes, after a downpour, fenders will work 
wonders in any depth of water to keep spray off of the feet and the back.


"Tire spray from below" is never "negligible".  And "more foul" hardly 
begins to describe it if you are riding in a place where Amish and 
Mennonite buggies have been using the roads -- as is the case in areas 
of Southern Maryland where I ride, and in Lancaster PA (where the 
Covered Bridge Metric seems to have rain about as often as it does not).


As for the subject of this thread: let me say today I cheated death yet 
again, as I have done time and time again over the years.  I've never 
picked up a stick, and when Jan Heine inquired on this subject among the 
old French randonneurs they'd never seen crumpled metal fenders.  If you 
ride roads and use metal fenders and have proper clearance in your 
installation, then pretty much this is a non-issue about on a par with 
worrying about being struck by lightning.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Jeff Lesperance]

Patrick - are you speaking about keeping your backside dry traversing deep
puddles and gutters AFTER the downpour or during? I say during a downpour,
your backside is getting wet from above enough such that any tire spray
from below is negligible in terms of wetness, though it may be more foul
from below, but yes, after a downpour, fenders will work wonders in any
depth of water to keep spray off of the feet and the back.

I'll post up some Space Horse Disc thoughts over on iBob in the near future
- waiting for the new bike glow to wear down a bit to avoid an
overly-gushing review.

Regarding Thunder Burts - I can't compare the knobbies to Furious Freds,
but vs. my BG Rock n' Roads, the knobbies are downright diminutive. I'd not
sweat Thunder Burts under fenders remotely as much as I did the Rock n'
Roads.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Deacon and Jeff: thanks for the knobbies + fenders perspective. Reason for
> asking, one day I may swap the hardly-knobs F Freds for something more
> knobby, particularly as the Thunderburts are said to outroll even the F
> Freds.
>
> Question, Patrick: the Thunderburt knobs are hardly bigger than those on
> the F Freds. Still: are the knobs too big for comfort and fenders together?
> I suppose that by the time you are at the Racing Ralph or R size-knob,
> you are clearly at more risk.
>
> Jeff: I have to say that, from my experience with downpours that, in well
> under an hour, dump enough rain to flood my access road a good 6" above the
> 12" high bb of the Diamond Back mtb fixie I was riding, fenders still help
> to keep my saddle and backside dry. We get a citywide average of 8-9"/year,
> ranging from 14" or so at the Sandia foothills to 5" or so in some parts of
> the west mesa. Real gutters and drains are rare; most streets are
> themselves gutters, feeding runoff to a system of engineered arroyos; so
> that you often find yourself riding through a temporary river as runoff is
> shunted toward the curbs where cyclists ride.
>
> And, please post ride experience and photos of the new Space Horse. I am
> very, very chuffed at the so-large and ever growing "road bike for dirt"
> segment, and from the All City site, this seems to be a particularly
> elegant example, with a particularly elegant fork. (Me, I need fatter tires
> than 42s for our sandy conditions, whence the TCO compromise with the
> Matthews for 60s + fenders capability.)
>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Michael Hechmer]

I have used fenders consistently since the late 90s.  I ride a lot of dirt 
roads without incident.  My wife once got something caught in her rear 
fender and broke it, but it did not cause her to fall.  I find metal 
fenders a lot easier to live with than plastic.  The latter may be easier 
to install but they also get knocked out of alignment a lot more easily.   
Also, instead of aiming for the perfect curve, I aim to have the entry 
point for stones & sticks to be smaller than the exit point.  That way 
anything that can get in can also get out.  I don't us fenders to keep me 
clean or dry.  I shower regularly.  I use fenders to keep the drive train 
and bags clean & dry.  Chains, rings, cranks, cogs & derailleurs are a pia 
to clean.  I prefer bike bags that sit above the fenders.
Michael

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 2:42:17 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Bill M.]

I remember Bike Snob posting something about riding in NYC like "Fenders, 
because if you're lucky it's only urine".

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:37:53 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I run full metal fenders on my AHH and installed Portland Design Works 
> safety tabs on the front and the rear. Thankfully, so far I have not needed 
> them! Before you go fenderless remember that riding in rural areas puts you 
> in contact with manure...add a bit of rain and look out!
>
> When I used to commute into Philadelphia full time, I once was forced to 
> follow a leaky, smelly, garbage truck for a couple of blocks. It was 
> August, mid 90's and high humidity. You get the picture.  Due to traffic I 
> could not avoid the stream of foul, brown liquid leaking on the road way. 
> The bike smelled awful but a quick wash and it was all good. I can only 
> imagine having that spray on to me, my clothes, the rest of my bike! 
> I have not owned a fenderless road bike since and never will.
>
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> With regard to the sweating, my tongue in cheek answer is buy a rain cape 
>> and ride below your sweat threshold (slow).  I understand that isn't 
>> everybody's gig though.  I vote to keep the fenders and maybe get some 
>> safety tabs to keep your mind at ease.
>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

Something else to point out here.  Tires picking up debris doesn't happen 
just with fenders.  One day on my Moser, the rear tire picked up a damp 
stick from a chert wash and locked up the rear wheel at the brake.  

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:22:13 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Jan Heine flipped once when I showed this in a photo.  Tire wipers 
> apparently installed one the wrong end.  
> I've ridden over 10,000 mi with this set-up.  They reject rocks, sticks 
> and chert from entering the fenders.  
> I honestly never get a sound from anything entering the fender.  On a 
> gravel road, my buddy's fenders sound like popcorn.  
> They even scrape and shed intermittent mud.  
> Yes, I've had them flipped around before.  They completely deform out of 
> the way and don't impede rolling.  Simply stop, straighten them back out 
> and go on your way.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Steve Palincsar]

Now that one looks like it has a suspended rear.  I was wondering how 
they managed to suspend the rear wheel on that other one...



On 05/26/2017 06:42 PM, George Schick wrote:

Whoops, wrong bike. Here's the other one (hopefully):



On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:37:43 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:

Patrick and others - I'd say it all depends on the conditions in
which you're riding and the kind of bike you ride.  IOW, it's up
to the individual.  I live in an area where many of the trails are
constructed from compacted limestone "screenings," the finest
crushed stone and dust that winds up at the bottom of the
limestone quarry crushing machines.  In the drier Summer months
this stuff makes a fine riding surface for just about any bike.
 But in the early Spring and late Fall these trails get very
sloppy.  A MTB is preferred riding - or at least a flexible frame
road bike with knobby tires.  To this end, I ride a dual
suspension MTB during these time.  BUT, I always wound up with a
lot of mud from this stuff all over me and the frame.  So, I
decided to find a way to mount full fenders on this bike to
minimize the effects of the mud-spray (something I was told I
could not do with a dual-boing MTB, but decided to find a way to
do it anyway).  Here's a pic of the results and, yes, it works
without a problem with the knobby's:



On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 3:04:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

I'm curious about others' thoughts about fenders and knobbies.
Fenders are most useful with knobbies, given that you ride
knobbies in dirty conditions, and because the knobs pick up
dirt. But I too would certainly hesitate more with this
combination.

Do some of y'all use fenders with knobby tires? Your
safeguards? Your reasons?

Me, I've used fenders off road for a long while, but I've also
run low-tread tires off road for a long time -- Big Apples
and, currently, Furious Freds, which have tiny little knoblets
not likely to pick up a stick. I /would/ have installed
regular, strutted fenders on my erstwhile Santa Cruz Bontrager
Race Lite, with 2.3" Maxxis Ikons, if the frame easily took
fenders, but it didn't and, rather than hack it, I installed a
long motocross-type fender in front (held on by a plug in the
steerer; no struts), and a shortie clip on in the back, both
supplemented by plastic bits zip tied to seat tube and down
tube (pretty effective, if I do say so myself, but ugly).

I suppose I'd /be inclined/ to use regular fenders, say Planet
Bike Cacadias, with knobbies if I had at least 2 cm of air
under them, and if I could attach the front struts halfway up
the fork.

FWIW, I do use Cascadias with the F Freds on the Matthews,
with the front struts bolted way high up on the inside top
lowrider bosses. Not too much triangulation there, but while
the front fender does sway a bit, it doesn't rattle. (And,
because the Matthews has bigly TCO, I am always kicking this
fender; it gets up, shakes its head, and keeps on going.) The
rear is a shorty because I hate bashing rear fenders against
things.

Inline image 1

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Stuart Lovinggood
 wrote:

I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're
practical and all. But I also really want to run knobbies
from time to time. And even though I have slicks on my
Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are just
a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done
a lot to distract from riding, with all the swaying and
rattling and spooky noises. Maybe if I end up getting a
bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely to ride off
into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders
and have them tuned up by a fender whisperer.

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time
fenders on 2 bikes, and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely
see other bikes with fenders (except my friends), and
wonder why more people here don't use them.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

Oddly I do not notice more detritus pickup with Racing Ralphs than Thunder 
Burts, though I certainly imagine they do, it's just not noticeable.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 4:31:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> Question, Patrick: the Thunderburt knobs are hardly bigger than those on 
> the F Freds. Still: are the knobs too big for comfort and fenders together? 
> I suppose that by the time you are at the Racing Ralph or R size-knob, 
> you are clearly at more risk. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[George Schick]

Whoops, wrong bike. Here's the other one (hopefully):



On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:37:43 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Patrick and others - I'd say it all depends on the conditions in which 
> you're riding and the kind of bike you ride.  IOW, it's up to the 
> individual.  I live in an area where many of the trails are constructed 
> from compacted limestone "screenings," the finest crushed stone and dust 
> that winds up at the bottom of the limestone quarry crushing machines.  In 
> the drier Summer months this stuff makes a fine riding surface for just 
> about any bike.  But in the early Spring and late Fall these trails get 
> very sloppy.  A MTB is preferred riding - or at least a flexible frame road 
> bike with knobby tires.  To this end, I ride a dual suspension MTB during 
> these time.  BUT, I always wound up with a lot of mud from this stuff all 
> over me and the frame.  So, I decided to find a way to mount full fenders 
> on this bike to minimize the effects of the mud-spray (something I was told 
> I could not do with a dual-boing MTB, but decided to find a way to do it 
> anyway).  Here's a pic of the results and, yes, it works without a problem 
> with the knobby's:
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 3:04:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious about others' thoughts about fenders and knobbies. Fenders 
>> are most useful with knobbies, given that you ride knobbies in dirty 
>> conditions, and because the knobs pick up dirt. But I too would certainly 
>> hesitate more with this combination.
>>
>> Do some of y'all use fenders with knobby tires? Your safeguards? Your 
>> reasons?
>>
>> Me, I've used fenders off road for a long while, but I've also run 
>> low-tread tires off road for a long time -- Big Apples and, currently, 
>> Furious Freds, which have tiny little knoblets not likely to pick up a 
>> stick. I *would* have installed regular, strutted fenders on my 
>> erstwhile Santa Cruz Bontrager Race Lite, with 2.3" Maxxis Ikons, if the 
>> frame easily took fenders, but it didn't and, rather than hack it, I 
>> installed a long motocross-type fender in front (held on by a plug in the 
>> steerer; no struts), and a shortie clip on in the back, both supplemented 
>> by plastic bits zip tied to seat tube and down tube (pretty effective, if I 
>> do say so myself, but ugly).
>>
>> I suppose I'd *be inclined* to use regular fenders, say Planet Bike 
>> Cacadias, with knobbies if I had at least 2 cm of air under them, and if I 
>> could attach the front struts halfway up the fork.
>>
>> FWIW, I do use Cascadias with the F Freds on the Matthews, with the front 
>> struts bolted way high up on the inside top lowrider bosses. Not too much 
>> triangulation there, but while the front fender does sway a bit, it doesn't 
>> rattle. (And, because the Matthews has bigly TCO, I am always kicking this 
>> fender; it gets up, shakes its head, and keeps on going.) The rear is a 
>> shorty because I hate bashing rear fenders against things.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Stuart Lovinggood  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're practical and all. 
>>> But I also really want to run knobbies from time to time. And even though I 
>>> have slicks on my Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are 
>>> just a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done a lot to 
>>> distract from riding, with all the swaying and rattling and spooky noises. 
>>> Maybe if I end up getting a bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely 
>>> to ride off into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders and 
>>> have them tuned up by a fender whisperer. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 
 bikes, and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders 
 (except my friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Patrick Moore]

Deacon and Jeff: thanks for the knobbies + fenders perspective. Reason for
asking, one day I may swap the hardly-knobs F Freds for something more
knobby, particularly as the Thunderburts are said to outroll even the F
Freds.

Question, Patrick: the Thunderburt knobs are hardly bigger than those on
the F Freds. Still: are the knobs too big for comfort and fenders together?
I suppose that by the time you are at the Racing Ralph or R size-knob,
you are clearly at more risk.

Jeff: I have to say that, from my experience with downpours that, in well
under an hour, dump enough rain to flood my access road a good 6" above the
12" high bb of the Diamond Back mtb fixie I was riding, fenders still help
to keep my saddle and backside dry. We get a citywide average of 8-9"/year,
ranging from 14" or so at the Sandia foothills to 5" or so in some parts of
the west mesa. Real gutters and drains are rare; most streets are
themselves gutters, feeding runoff to a system of engineered arroyos; so
that you often find yourself riding through a temporary river as runoff is
shunted toward the curbs where cyclists ride.

And, please post ride experience and photos of the new Space Horse. I am
very, very chuffed at the so-large and ever growing "road bike for dirt"
segment, and from the All City site, this seems to be a particularly
elegant example, with a particularly elegant fork. (Me, I need fatter tires
than 42s for our sandy conditions, whence the TCO compromise with the
Matthews for 60s + fenders capability.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

Thinking about how to best answer your question, Patrick, I realized it is 
a blog post. So here you 
go. http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/fenders-and-knobbies

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 2:04:44 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm curious about others' thoughts about fenders and knobbies. Fenders are 
> most useful with knobbies, given that you ride knobbies in dirty 
> conditions, and because the knobs pick up dirt. But I too would certainly 
> hesitate more with this combination.
>
> Do some of y'all use fenders with knobby tires? Your safeguards? Your 
> reasons?
>
> Me, I've used fenders off road for a long while, but I've also run 
> low-tread tires off road for a long time -- Big Apples and, currently, 
> Furious Freds, which have tiny little knoblets not likely to pick up a 
> stick. I *would* have installed regular, strutted fenders on my erstwhile 
> Santa Cruz Bontrager Race Lite, with 2.3" Maxxis Ikons, if the frame easily 
> took fenders, but it didn't and, rather than hack it, I installed a long 
> motocross-type fender in front (held on by a plug in the steerer; no 
> struts), and a shortie clip on in the back, both supplemented by plastic 
> bits zip tied to seat tube and down tube (pretty effective, if I do say so 
> myself, but ugly).
>
> I suppose I'd *be inclined* to use regular fenders, say Planet Bike 
> Cacadias, with knobbies if I had at least 2 cm of air under them, and if I 
> could attach the front struts halfway up the fork.
>
> FWIW, I do use Cascadias with the F Freds on the Matthews, with the front 
> struts bolted way high up on the inside top lowrider bosses. Not too much 
> triangulation there, but while the front fender does sway a bit, it doesn't 
> rattle. (And, because the Matthews has bigly TCO, I am always kicking this 
> fender; it gets up, shakes its head, and keeps on going.) The rear is a 
> shorty because I hate bashing rear fenders against things.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Stuart Lovinggood  > wrote:
>
>> I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're practical and all. 
>> But I also really want to run knobbies from time to time. And even though I 
>> have slicks on my Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are 
>> just a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done a lot to 
>> distract from riding, with all the swaying and rattling and spooky noises. 
>> Maybe if I end up getting a bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely 
>> to ride off into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders and 
>> have them tuned up by a fender whisperer. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 bikes, 
>>> and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders (except my 
>>> friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> We're overdue for a June with monsoons
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're practical and all. But 
I also really want to run knobbies from time to time. And even though I 
have slicks on my Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are 
just a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done a lot to 
distract from riding, with all the swaying and rattling and spooky noises. 
Maybe if I end up getting a bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely 
to ride off into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders and 
have them tuned up by a fender whisperer. 

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 bikes, 
> and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders (except my 
> friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  
>
>
> 
>
> We're overdue for a June with monsoons
>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[William deRosset]

>1. Fender safety/practicality...
>2. Clothing for wet. I used to get wet on any ride involving rain or post 
rain, either from the rain seeping in somehow or from my own sweat. 
Hilltrek's Ventile Cotton Analogy fixed that. Breathes like a cotton shirt 
(sweat in vapor or liquid form escapes >easily), keeps water and moisture 
out like a pvc rain coat (moisture doesn't get in). Dry. Happy. Rides. In 
the wet. Grin. http://www.hilltrek.co.uk


1. Rain falling from the sky >> road lime kicked up by bicycle tires. The 
former is even kinda pleasant if you're dressed appropriately and it isn't 
too cold.

Fenders are a known practical way to keep the latter off of your body and 
your bicycle. The folks I know who ride on the road regularly in the rain 
(and are not barred by rules or racing fashion from doing so) have fenders 
on their bike. Even clip-on fenders are better than nothing. Stiff fenders, 
adequate clearance, no mudflap, no knobbies, and even fenderlines all 
contribute to fender safety, as can break-away stay tabs and/or offset 
fender eyelets (move the fender eyelet to mid-fork and the fender opens up 
if a stick gets caught).

2. Clothing for wet--I ride in similar conditions as the good Deacon (low 
humidity, moderate altitude), and the Cotton Analogy stuff is just too 
bulky/hot for me if I'm riding (or XC skiing) above about 23degF. I 
actually prefer double-ventile (less insulation value, just as waterproof, 
less bulky, less expensive) to it for waterproof applications, and 
single-ventile for keeping the rain from making you miserable when working 
harder than your sweat threshold. 

Admittedly, I sweat heavily, and run warm. For athletic cycling, I carry a 
race cape (a fancy new GTX one, which nonetheless turns into a boil-in-bag 
waterproof once the effort level gets high, but it packs to the size of a 
medium Gala apple) and wear wool. I get wet in extended rain, but stay 
warm. 

For general knockabouting, strategy varies depending on whether it is okay 
to show up damp--In general, adjust effort to minimize the swamp effect, 
and wear well-vented, breathable clothing (that Ventile; waterproof 
overgloves if it is cool to cold, and plastic boots in the peri-freezing 
wet). The wind blast is your frenemy--cooling, but can be the ticket to 
hypothermia. 

 
Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO




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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ryan Ray]

Fenders are by far my least favorite part of a bike. I break them, bend the 
stays, stuff get stuck in them dent them, tires rub on them, it's just 
awful. But Berthoud stainless fenders work for me. I don't mind dinging 
them, the stays never wobble (Hanjos are as bad as SKS), the fenders 
themselves are strong and don't wobble into the tire and they last forever. 
I'm not sure if their strength is better or worse in terms of collecting 
debris though. 

What really freaks me out is when I see people with fenders + knobby tires. 
I would never do that.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Austin ^]

Another advantage of fenders is that they're considerate for others who are 
riding behind you. When I encounter someone riding in the rain without 
fenders sending a spray of wet road grime behind them it often gives the 
impression that they're kind of an ass.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

Sounds like you have two core, intertwined questions. I'll separate them 
because I'm a simpleton.

1. Fender safety/practicality. I have fenders on both my Quickbeam and 
Hunqapillar. QB has Barlow Pass tires so relatively smooth and doesn't 
collect big detritus. Its fenders are set with 3-4 mm of clearance and that 
works beautifully for me. Hunqapillar has Racing Ralph tires, so knobbies 
are good at throwing larger twigs, wee branches and various detritus about. 
Closer fenders clogged all the time. I now use an MTB mud guard in the 
front and a partial woodie rear fender. Both have an inch or more 
clearance. I still get a bit of mud on fast descents from front and rear 
above my waist, and below is always coated.  I don't have any issues with 
twigs or other bits jamming in anymore. 

2. Clothing for wet. I used to get wet on any ride involving rain or post 
rain, either from the rain seeping in somehow or from my own sweat. 
Hilltrek's Ventile Cotton Analogy fixed that. Breathes like a cotton shirt 
(sweat in vapor or liquid form escapes easily), keeps water and moisture 
out like a pvc rain coat (moisture doesn't get in). Dry. Happy. Rides. In 
the wet. Grin. http://www.hilltrek.co.uk

With abandon,
Patrick


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:42:17 AM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Brian Campbell]

I run full metal fenders on my AHH and installed Portland Design Works 
safety tabs on the front and the rear. Thankfully, so far I have not needed 
them! Before you go fenderless remember that riding in rural areas puts you 
in contact with manure...add a bit of rain and look out!

When I used to commute into Philadelphia full time, I once was forced to 
follow a leaky, smelly, garbage truck for a couple of blocks. It was 
August, mid 90's and high humidity. You get the picture.  Due to traffic I 
could not avoid the stream of foul, brown liquid leaking on the road way. 
The bike smelled awful but a quick wash and it was all good. I can only 
imagine having that spray on to me, my clothes, the rest of my bike! 
I have not owned a fenderless road bike since and never will.


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> With regard to the sweating, my tongue in cheek answer is buy a rain cape 
> and ride below your sweat threshold (slow).  I understand that isn't 
> everybody's gig though.  I vote to keep the fenders and maybe get some 
> safety tabs to keep your mind at ease.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

With regard to the sweating, my tongue in cheek answer is buy a rain cape and 
ride below your sweat threshold (slow).  I understand that isn't everybody's 
gig though.  I vote to keep the fenders and maybe get some safety tabs to keep 
your mind at ease.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[ascpgh]

My bikes have been fendered for years, but I had a few weeks exception on 
my Rambouillet pending a set of wider Honjos from Compass to arrive. During 
that recess from wheel coverage I went on a group ride that turned into a 
carwash downpour, and you are right that any ride in those environs will 
leave you wet, despite fenders, wool, etc. 

Having taken fenders for granted for so long, I cannot over emphasize the 
degree of flung road filth and silt penetration of everything on that bike 
including the inside contents of my seat bag tool it and my clothing. What 
fenders keep off me, my bike and the occasional foul weather wheelsucker is 
impressive and lacks the catastrophic events of warnings.

That single ride in the spring rain necessitated a more detailed cleaning 
of my whole bike than all of the fall and winter miles afflicted to my 
daily commuter. This supported my experience riding the Trans Am in 2001 
with fenders on my Rambouillet. While my colleagues snarked about their 
weight and visuals, they replaced chains and cassettes way more often than 
I did. They also required chainrings that I did not (theirs: DA, mine: TA) 
and two of the three had brifter failures (my bar-ends remained functional).

In the years since I pedaled across the country in whatever weather greeted 
each day, I have ridden the same bike between Pittsburgh and DC on the 
GAP/C trails through the forests of the Alleghenies/Appalachians and 
commuted year round, including fender-clogging winter precipitation without 
any of the events warned about with fender use. I've suffered more physical 
injuries from the oversights and poor riding of others than from a fendered 
wheel jam.  

To the original question I'll submit that the wear and tear on the bicycle 
mechanicals when not using fenders and flaps is a consequence of fact that 
I can balance very easily with my uneventful fendered experience. 


Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 2:42:17 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 bikes, 
and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders (except my 
friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  



We're overdue for a June with monsoons

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I recently put some plastic PB fenders on and had some of the same 
reservations, especially since I'm in central Texas where it has only 
recently (last couple years) seemed like rain is in the forecast more 
often. I mostly got them so I wouldn't have to wash my bike after rainy 
rides and to avoid the dreaded muddbutt, but now I'm wondering if it's 
worth it, especially because this is my do-it-all bike. And when it rains 
here during the summer, there's not much I can do to stay dry that won't 
cause me to sweat through my clothes anyway. My usual tactic for getting 
through the rain is to wear a cycling cap, grin and bear it. 

The PB fenders are kind of frustrating because the metal bracket that holds 
the fender stays to the fender bends down a good centimeter directly 
towards the wheel. To stop it from hitting the tire when going over bumps 
or going at speed, I've had to pull the fender even further from the tire 
which then makes it easier for the whole thing to sway and perpetuates the 
problem. 

If I get rid of the fenders, I plan on finding some corrugated cardboard 
sign (the coated political yard sign kind) and sticking it between my 
saddlebag and rear rack to act as a frugal Ass Savers (also Ass Savers 
don't keep muck from getting all over and up into the bag). If that works 
okay I might upgrade to some hard plastic vinyl or something. 

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 1:42:17 AM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

 

 

Jan Heine flipped once when I showed this in a photo.  Tire wipers 
apparently installed one the wrong end.  
I've ridden over 10,000 mi with this set-up.  They reject rocks, sticks and 
chert from entering the fenders.  
I honestly never get a sound from anything entering the fender.  On a 
gravel road, my buddy's fenders sound like popcorn.  
They even scrape and shed intermittent mud.  
Yes, I've had them flipped around before.  They completely deform out of 
the way and don't impede rolling.  Simply stop, straighten them back out 
and go on your way.

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[iamkeith]

Also, Riv sells a nice spacer in their rack hardware section, made by 
bridgestone.  I plan to get some of those next time i place an order, just to 
have on hand.

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[iamkeith]

Good news.  If/when you do decide to bolt to the mark's rack, a couple of easy 
ideas for thicker spacers that you might already have, are: 1) inner chainring 
spacer with a short piece of rubber tubing inside, to reduce diameter; and 2) 
knurled nuts from presta valves, stacked as needed.

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[panog]

The SKS listed width refers to the width of the fender profile. I find this 
to also be true for the Honjo and VO.
http://www.sks-germany.com/en/productcategories/mudguards/


On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 10:04:22 AM UTC-4, John Stowe wrote:
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> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 4:51:53 AM UTC-4, panog wrote:
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>> I cant see how the SKS P45 is described to cover up to 45mm tires 
>> (assuming there is enough clearance to mount them high enough to do so) and 
>> still keep your feet protected from the tire blow-off spray while in the 
>> rain.
>
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>
> I've always assumed that the SKS models were named according to the 
> recommended tire width, e.g. the P45 would actually be around 52-55mm wide 
> in order to accommodate up to 45mm tires. Is this not the case? Disclaimer: 
> the only plastic fenders I have are Planet Bike so I don't have a sample to 
> check.
>

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[John Stowe]

On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 4:51:53 AM UTC-4, panog wrote:
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> I cant see how the SKS P45 is described to cover up to 45mm tires 
> (assuming there is enough clearance to mount them high enough to do so) and 
> still keep your feet protected from the tire blow-off spray while in the 
> rain.




I've always assumed that the SKS models were named according to the 
recommended tire width, e.g. the P45 would actually be around 52-55mm wide 
in order to accommodate up to 45mm tires. Is this not the case? Disclaimer: 
the only plastic fenders I have are Planet Bike so I don't have a sample to 
check.

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

Success! I thought I would provide and update here to let everyone know how 
I made out. After 3 sessions in my workshop (aka my basement) I was able 
 to finally get everything aligned to my satisfaction. What it took was an 
abundance of patience and determination. I explored the possibility of 
permanent alignment of the fender nose by bolting it to the Mark's rack. I 
can see how this would work but I treated it as a last resort. There is 
about 3cm of space between the rack and the top of the fender so I would 
need a significant spacer. I had a nylon sleeve that just wasn't quite long 
enough. So I then tried mounting them to the rear of the fork crown with 
the Sheldon Nut.  I didn't like that at all. I found that when mounted to 
the rear of the fork raising the fender up high enough forced the nose down 
so that it was touching the tire. I decided to scrap that and go back to 
mounting it behind the brake again. When I put it back on this time 
starting from scratch I finally got it aligned just right. When I had it 
just right it took the curve out of the nose of the fender. It's not 
perfect but good enough. No tire rub whatsoever. The takeaway for me is 
that you have to keep playing with the adjustment of the fender stays to 
get it just right. It took a lot of trial and error but I now feel like I 
am much better equipped to deal with. I just hope it's not any time soon!

Tim  

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:19:37 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a 
> newer Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The 
> fenders are SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding 
> the bike without any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of 
> the fender is curved to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I 
> quickly determined there is nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am 
> putting it all back together including the Mark's rack and I can get it so 
> it's not rubbing. It's close but the little rubber hairs on the tire are 
> rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the stand and go ride it I won't notice 
> but I could help but think a better mechanic then I can get them just 
> right. At this point I'm ready to rip them both off. Is there anyone out 
> there who can restore my sanity by giving me some tips on aligning these 
> properly?

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[panog]

Another point of reference for the adequacy of fender coverage and tire size. I 
have VO 45 mm fenders on one bike and find that they will accommodate up to a 
33mm tire while maintaining adequate vertical and lateral clearances with very 
good results. For 35 up to 38 mm tires I have been using the VO 50 mm fenders 
with excellent results.
I cant see how the SKS P45 is described to cover up to 45mm tires (assuming 
there is enough clearance to mount them high enough to do so) and still keep 
your feet protected from the tire blow-off spray while in the rain.

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bought a complete "drop bar" Sam from Rivendell last summer, with 
sidepull brakes.  It sounds like we have the same era Sam.  I run the 38mm 
Kendra tires that came on it, and installed Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin 
fenders front and rear and a Mark's rack in front.  Everything fits well, 
is quiet (for now, anyway), and looks great.  I mention this in case you'd 
consider reasonably-priced metal fenders to solve your problem.  

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Does anyone have any good (or bad) experience with redirecting/realigning a 
plastic fender by applying pressure and heat from a hair dryer?!

I have a Velo Orange Campeur with SKS front fender that wants to take on an 
alignment of its own, leading to rubbing when riding rough streets.
I'd like to be able to transfer them to a new (to me) AHH 650B, but don't 
want to bring the problem along with the fenders.

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 6:19:37 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a 
> newer Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The 
> fenders are SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding 
> the bike without any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of 
> the fender is curved to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I 
> quickly determined there is nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am 
> putting it all back together including the Mark's rack and I can get it so 
> it's not rubbing. It's close but the little rubber hairs on the tire are 
> rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the stand and go ride it I won't notice 
> but I could help but think a better mechanic then I can get them just 
> right. At this point I'm ready to rip them both off. Is there anyone out 
> there who can restore my sanity by giving me some tips on aligning these 
> properly?

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Orc]

Bolt it to the rack;  thermoplastic fenders are nice, but they tend to want 
to weave their way sinuously around the perimeter of the wheel, and nailing 
the front of the fender in place reduces the visible weaving.

-david parsons


On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 6:19:37 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a 
> newer Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The 
> fenders are SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding 
> the bike without any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of 
> the fender is curved to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I 
> quickly determined there is nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am 
> putting it all back together including the Mark's rack and I can get it so 
> it's not rubbing. It's close but the little rubber hairs on the tire are 
> rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the stand and go ride it I won't notice 
> but I could help but think a better mechanic then I can get them just 
> right. At this point I'm ready to rip them both off. Is there anyone out 
> there who can restore my sanity by giving me some tips on aligning these 
> properly?

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Philip Kim]

Also might help to bolt the fender to marks rack with some spacers as well

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Davey Two Shoes]

pull rubber hairs off the tire and move on :)

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:19:37 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a 
> newer Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The 
> fenders are SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding 
> the bike without any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of 
> the fender is curved to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I 
> quickly determined there is nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am 
> putting it all back together including the Mark's rack and I can get it so 
> it's not rubbing. It's close but the little rubber hairs on the tire are 
> rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the stand and go ride it I won't notice 
> but I could help but think a better mechanic then I can get them just 
> right. At this point I'm ready to rip them both off. Is there anyone out 
> there who can restore my sanity by giving me some tips on aligning these 
> properly?

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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Daniel Betancourt]

Basket mounted and I used black cable ties (rated for 45 lbs). I ended up 
putting black electrical tape on the rack to minimize scratches. It seems 
strong enough from a few test tugs.









On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:00:19 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
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> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
>
> I'm going to dig around other posts and pics to see how others with a 
> similar frame have mounted this size basket. I may need to go with a deeper 
> basket but am not sure yet. I've seen a few people use zip ties to secure 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Les Lammers]

Dan,

I'm going to use zip ties but will put some strips of bamboo on the rack 
before securing it simply to prevent metal to metal contact. Still waiting 
for the rack.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 8:41:45 AM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:

> Thanks for all the comments and feedback.
>
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>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:00:19 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
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>> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
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>> similar frame have mounted this size basket. I may need to go with a deeper 
>> basket but am not sure yet. I've seen a few people use zip ties to secure 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Daniel Betancourt]

Thanks for all the comments and feedback.

Dan

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:00:19 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> I'm waiting for a Nitto R14 rear rack to arrive this week but in the 
> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
>
> I'm going to dig around other posts and pics to see how others with a 
> similar frame have mounted this size basket. I may need to go with a deeper 
> basket but am not sure yet. I've seen a few people use zip ties to secure 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Jon BALER]

Reload basket bag

http://www.reloadbags.com/category-s/2047.htm

Taller and cheaper than swift, and no inconvenient zipper.   They'll probably 
do custom colors if you ask.   

Free shipping too

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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Austin ^]

I find that it fits just right, if it is smaller than the basket it's so it 
can still fit while full. It sits solidly even over pretty bumpy terrain 
empty or full. The only kinda drawback I've found is when the bag is really 
full it can be a tight fit to access the front and rear exterior pockets. 
That and I feel like riv's Shopsack can hold a bit more, but the sugarloaf 
attaches to the basket better and is nicer to carry off the bike. All in 
all if I had one bike and had to choose a single front storage solution, 
the wald + sugarloaf would be it, they really are that nice.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 3:27:12 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
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> Hey Austin,
>
> I noticed the dimensions Swift gives for the Sugarloaf seem a bit smaller 
> than how I measure my medium wald basket. Also in some photos I've seen it 
> doesn't seem to really fill the basket side to side and front to back. How 
> are you finding the fit?
>
> thnks
> ted
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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[ted]

Hey Austin,

I noticed the dimensions Swift gives for the Sugarloaf seem a bit smaller 
than how I measure my medium wald basket. Also in some photos I've seen it 
doesn't seem to really fill the basket side to side and front to back. How 
are you finding the fit?

thnks
ted

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 1:56:58 PM UTC-8, Austin ^ wrote:
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> +1 zip ties
> I've been riding around with a Swift industries Sugarloaf bag for the past 
> couple of weeks and I love it - designed specifically for the basket, fits 
> perfectly and attaches to the basket, waterproof, several interior pockets 
> and holds a good amount of stuff and can be carried by the handle or add a 
> strap and used as a mini duffel off the bike. 
> http://builtbyswift.com/shop/sugarloaf/
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> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 1:00:19 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
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>> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Howard Hatten]

Two thumbs up on the BLACK basket. 

Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Ryan Fleming]

I think the cream fenders look great and not just because they're going on 
my bike. Nice bike !

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 3:00:19 PM UTC-6, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
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> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
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> I'm going to dig around other posts and pics to see how others with a 
> similar frame have mounted this size basket. I may need to go with a deeper 
> basket but am not sure yet. I've seen a few people use zip ties to secure 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Austin ^]

+1 zip ties
I've been riding around with a Swift industries Sugarloaf bag for the past 
couple of weeks and I love it - designed specifically for the basket, fits 
perfectly and attaches to the basket, waterproof, several interior pockets 
and holds a good amount of stuff and can be carried by the handle or add a 
strap and used as a mini duffel off the 
bike. http://builtbyswift.com/shop/sugarloaf/

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 1:00:19 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
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> I'm waiting for a Nitto R14 rear rack to arrive this week but in the 
> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
>
> I'm going to dig around other posts and pics to see how others with a 
> similar frame have mounted this size basket. I may need to go with a deeper 
> basket but am not sure yet. I've seen a few people use zip ties to secure 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Bill Lindsay]

Half a dozen zip ties will secure the rack to the basket (or vice versa). 
 If you fall in love with the position but regret that zip ties are too 
inexpensive, too light weight and too convenient, then later on replace 
with some kind of wire lashing, as many others have done.

To add 'virtual depth' to your basket, consider using a Large Sackville 
Shopsack, which fits the footprint perfectly and is way deeper than the 
basket itself.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 1:00:19 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> I'm waiting for a Nitto R14 rear rack to arrive this week but in the 
> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
>
> I'm going to dig around other posts and pics to see how others with a 
> similar frame have mounted this size basket. I may need to go with a deeper 
> basket but am not sure yet. I've seen a few people use zip ties to secure 
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[RBW] Re: Fenders and Tektro Big Mouth brakes/fenders with old Dura Ace single pivots

[Jim M.]

The 7100 and 7200 both had that style of quick release. I'm not sure how to 
tell the difference.

jim m
wc ca

On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 4:00:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I installed Big Mouths because I wanted calipers that easily released 559 
> X 1.35 Kojaks. But these, excellent as they are, certainly crowded the 
> fenders: I had to severelydent even 40 mm wide Berthouds under the arches 
> to prevent the calipers from pushing the fender down and inward.
>
> I just replaced the Tektros with old style DAs -- can anyone give me the 
> model of these?
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> The round arches leave surprising amounts of room above and beside the 
> fenders, so much so that I am confident that I can replace these 40s with 
> 50s, simply by judiciously indenting the sides where they fit against fork 
> legs and stays. The DA calipers have adequate room for the larger fenders, 
> or at least will require only very minor reshaping.
>
> That's good, because even with 29 mm actual tires, the rear tends to rub 
> on one side or another if the fender is not perfectly aligned; also, the 
> denting to accommodate the Tektros now shows and it's ugly.
>
> Anyway, nothing new, of course, but it has been so long since I swapped 
> between dual and single pivots that I had forgotten how much more space the 
> right single pivot design allows. The DAs for example have significantly 
> more room than the Superbe Pro on the gofast, as the arms on these slope 
> downward more quickly, instead of being arched outward first.
>
> Anyway, very nice brakes altogether, with an unusual but very effective QR 
> mech: a horizontally rotating cam instead of the usual vertically rotating 
> one.
>
> Funny, though: the DAs are about 1 1/2 oz heavier than the Tektros.
>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Michael Hechmer]

An interesting question, Fred.  My wife's Betty came with cream  fenders 
which look very nice on her bike.  At that time I was looking to replace a 
broken Honjo on my Ram and decided to go with the cream fenders again. 
 They don't  look particularly good on my Ram with its slightly darker blue 
pain.  Having lived with the longboards for two years now I have decided 
never to buy plastic fenders again.  It feels like I am constantly 
realigning these two sets of fenders while the VO metal fenders on the 
Saluki and tandem never need any attention at all.  I had a pair of Bertoud 
steel fenders on an Ebisu which I used for commuting and they were bomb 
proof.  The Honjo's which were on my Ram went 9 years before the rear one 
broke and they were also very stable.

The bottom line is that a very few extra $$ up front and another hour on 
installation pays back many fold in time and money as you go forward.

Michael

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:

 I put wider tires on my Rivendell and the existing fenders are, now, too 
 narrow. So, I'm getting wider ones.

 Silver is an old standby (very nice; classic) But I also like the idea of 
 cream fenders.
 Does the Cream match, or mostly match, the Riv Headtube Cream?

 Since Rivendell sells the cream, I assume that it looks fine, but I 
 appreciate your input.


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[RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Marc40a]

Orange Sam here, with cream fenders.

I think the silver can look a little too heavy and metallic on some bikes - 
making the bike look clunky.

What ultimately clinched the decision for me was when a vintage truck similar 
to this, drove by one afternoon.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mustangjoe/8583713463

A lightbulb went off, and suddenly the cream made so much sense. Not a single 
regret since.

FWIW, I do have a modern touring bike in metallic root beer that has the 
silvers and they look fantastic on that bike.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

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On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 9:17:49 AM UTC-7, Arthur Mayfield wrote:

  Green Sams need silver fenders, imo. In the end, I think I've decided 
 that cream Longboards are just too much of a good thing, but it's 
 admittedly a personal preference.

 And what is wrong with green and cream?   ;)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OsMJBdgZKgw/Vdf4atwkZAI/AAU/Le1wjtWlZm4/s1600/DSC01069.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k18HOO1fK-g/Vdf41q5_jpI/AAc/AfTdvgV-T8A/s1600/IMG_0043.JPG

 

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[RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Arthur Mayfield]

My understanding (perhaps from an old Blug post) is that Riv developed the 
cream Longboards to in conjunction with SKS to match their head tubes. I 
have a set, and already had a set of hammered Honjos that also fit my Sam. 
They both look nice, but I ended up fitting (with some 
tinkering/shortening) a set of PDW dark gray Full Metal Fenders in 700 x 
45mm to match my Nitto dark gray M194 bars and Jagwire titanium gray 
housing (all on a blue and cream Sam). I think black anodized, hammered VOs 
would look awesome on orange or black Rivs, but maybe not as sweet on Blue 
Sams. Green Sams need silver fenders, imo. In the end, I think I've decided 
that cream Longboards are just too much of a good thing, but it's 
admittedly a personal preference.

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:

 I put wider tires on my Rivendell and the existing fenders are, now, too 
 narrow. So, I'm getting wider ones.

 Silver is an old standby (very nice; classic) But I also like the idea of 
 cream fenders.
 Does the Cream match, or mostly match, the Riv Headtube Cream?

 Since Rivendell sells the cream, I assume that it looks fine, but I 
 appreciate your input.


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[RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Lungimsam]

I'd say silver if you plan to use silver racks. The SKS P45's in silver 
looks awesome together with the silver color of my NITTO rack.

Also, try to look at pics of a cream fendered bike from the rear. You may 
think it is too much cream color from that angle.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[davidcha]

Just to throw a curveball your way, what about black hammered fenders?  
Handsome makes some pretty nice looking ones in 2 sizes, and they might be 
easier to keep clean than either cream or silver ones...here's a link: 
http://handsomecycles.com/products/black-fenders?variant=1225965185

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Chris Chen]

They match very very well.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Ryan Fleming ryanmalloryflem...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What did you end up buying by the way? Yeah, a neat new bike does make you
 fell like Christmas morning when you're 10 years old

 Silver fenders do look nice, but I suspect the SKS Cream longboards are a
 pretty decent match for the cream headtube. Whatever you decide, post
 pictures.

 Enjoy!

 Ryan in Winnipeg


 On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 12:19:58 PM UTC-5, Fred Craven wrote:

 I put wider tires on my Rivendell and the existing fenders are, now, too
 narrow. So, I'm getting wider ones.

 Silver is an old standby (very nice; classic) But I also like the idea of
 cream fenders.
 Does the Cream match, or mostly match, the Riv Headtube Cream?

 Since Rivendell sells the cream, I assume that it looks fine, but I
 appreciate your input.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Philip Williamson]

Well done! I've followed that bike and color since Joel Green became a thing 
(my middle name is Joel, my favorite color is green). Very nice. 
Happy travels with it and your blog!

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Fred Craven]

And the winner is: Silver. 

After consulting with my Local Bike Shop, I agreed that since the handlebar 
tape will be pink and orange, that that is enough eccentricity for a Rivendell. 
 

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[RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Ryan Fleming]

What did you end up buying by the way? Yeah, a neat new bike does make you 
fell like Christmas morning when you're 10 years old

Silver fenders do look nice, but I suspect the SKS Cream longboards are a 
pretty decent match for the cream headtube. Whatever you decide, post 
pictures.

Enjoy!

Ryan in Winnipeg

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 12:19:58 PM UTC-5, Fred Craven wrote:

 I put wider tires on my Rivendell and the existing fenders are, now, too 
 narrow. So, I'm getting wider ones.

 Silver is an old standby (very nice; classic) But I also like the idea of 
 cream fenders.
 Does the Cream match, or mostly match, the Riv Headtube Cream?

 Since Rivendell sells the cream, I assume that it looks fine, but I 
 appreciate your input.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders: Cream or Silver?

[Fred Craven]

 The headtube doesn't look cream in those photos.  It looks closer to 
 white, like the Atlantis headtube.  

 Of course, it could just be the lighting.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iUkfOydDxuA/VdY71eEg1kI/ANA/EKuQEEN3BGc/s1600/Basic%2BBike.jpg
Well, actually it is a rather light cream. Next to the green, it kind of 
looks white. Here's what she looks like the garage. (the pretty blue spill 
is not toxic)

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