cvs commit command fails

[Shawn]

Hello,

One moment I am committing happily via cvs and then next I can't and the 
shell never returns -- (using cvs1.11.2-10
ssh 3.5p1-11)

It doesn't matter which file I try either, it happens with them all now.   
Every thing was fine until I tried $cvs add -kb -m "screen shot for filter 
tag" filter_tag_example.png
and then
$ cvs commit filter_tag_example.png
[the first line may be in error - maybe the add can't take a -m arguement, 
sometimes I make that mistake but never before has it refused to commit 
when I tried it again using proper syntax, but then again it's a newer 
version of ssh)

Here is the error I get for whatever I try to commit now.  Checkout and 
update still work fine.

CVS: --
CVS: Enter Log.  Lines beginning with `CVS:' are removed automatically
CVS:
CVS: Committing in .
CVS:
CVS: Modified Files:
CVS:Query_Support.xml
CVS: --
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
~
"/tmp/cvs7ppK6k" 9L, 303C
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(no subject)

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How can I print in RH9 ?

I tried

[EMAIL PROTECTED] javauser]$ lpr -P HP2 
/home/me/info/work/assist.pdf
Status Information, attempt 1 of 3:
sending job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1
cannot open connection to localhost - Connection refused
Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
and accepts connections from this host and from non-privileged (>1023) 
ports
Waiting 10 seconds before retry
Status Information, attempt 2 of 3:
sending job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1
cannot open connection to localhost - Connection refused
Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
and accepts connections from this host and from non-privileged (>1023) 
ports
Waiting 10 seconds before retry
sending job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1
cannot open connection to localhost - Connection refused
Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
and accepts connections from this host and from non-privileged (>1023) 
ports



[EMAIL PROTECTED] javauser]$  lpstat -t
scheduler is running
system default destination: HP2
Printer '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - cannot open connection - Connection refused
Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
and accepts connections from this host and from non-privileged (>1023) 
ports
Printer '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - cannot open connection - Connection refused
Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
and accepts connections from this host and from non-privileged (>1023) 
ports
Printer '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - cannot open connection - Connection refused
Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol
and accepts connections from this host and from non-privileged (>1023) 
ports
Printer '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' - cannot open connection - Connection refused
Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol

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good system monitors

[Shawn]

Hello,

I am using System Monitor 2.0.4 on RH9 and wonder if anything better is out 
there as it just doesn't seems very accurate.  When I run a java process 
(Tomcat) that runs the cpu up to 100%, the process itself shows 0% cpu 
usage but of course when I kill it then the system goes back to a normal 
level.

In this case, I knew what the cause was, but in general I am not impressed 
with System Monitor 2.0.4 for other reasons as well.
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Re: Thinking of switching to Linux (from Mac!) and have a few questions

[Shawn]

Japanese support in RedHad is pretty good (IMHO).  Just make sure you 
include it at install time.

If you have specific problem related to Japanese I suggest checking out the 
Tokyo Linux Users Group.

http://www.tlug.jp

There is a link to mutilingualization there or even better you could check 
the archives which they request doing before asking.  The nice thing is 
they will show how to get English menus but ability to enter Japanese text. 
Can be handy for some of us.

If you need correct Kanji for addresses, they recommened purchasing ATOK to 
me.  My Japanese wife also complains that the default selections aren't the 
most usual ones, and so she has to scroll through to make the proper choice 
more often than under Windows. We get by without it though.

As for mail clients, I heard the most recent Evolution supports Japanese 
fine (earlier version did not) - but whether or not that is in RH 9 I dk.  
I use M2 by Opera which is a little quirky but suits me great

If you need to do professionally printed documents, you may want to install 
microsoft fonts.  I am pretty much a linux newby but was able to do it just 
fine.

Anyway, Japanese support is there so don't let that stop you from 
switching.


(4) I do my work mostly in English, but with a lot of Japanese mixed in. 
Is
setting up Linux to support Japanese reading and also input not-too-hard?
I've tried doing this before in previous versions with mixed success. Are
there sufficient applications which support Japanese, such as a good 
email
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upgrade to Shrike Qs

[Shawn]

Hiho,

This will be my first upgrade of RH ever.

Three questions:

1) Nvidia

Will the file /etc/X11/XF86Config get overwritten?

If not, do I need the src iso to get the src kernel to install the driver? 
(To install the driver for updated kernels, I needed a src kernel -- but 
not for the orginial kernel distributed with RH8).

Is it easiest to just put the x11 conf file back toDriver "nv" (or 
Driver "vesa")
instead of and then switch it back to  Driver "nvidia" and reinstall after 
upgrading.  IF so, which is it for RH8 nv or vesa?

After upgrading, will my previous list of bootable kernels be gone so that 
I can't fall back on them.

2) Packages selection

I read the RH manual, but it wasn't clear about what gets upgraded.  If I 
select customize the packages, do I need to have a list of every package 
that needs to be installed, or will currently installed packages 
automatically be checked to be included in the upgrade (and then I can just 
select things like mysql)?  If I don't customize the packages, will I end 
up with the full base install?  I need to save my data so I am not talking 
about a clean install here.

3) Overwritten files.

the manual says .cf files will be backed up.  Are there other files that 
could be overwritten withour being backed up?  In other words, if I look at 
/root/upgrade.log will I find out that .bash_profile, or maybe some font 
file (I have microsoft Japanese fonts installed and working) or other such 
niceties replaced with out-of-the-box Shrike stuff.

I DON'T WANT TO DO AN UPGRADE BUT MY CD DRIVE SOMETIMES IS AT scsibus0: 
0,0,0 and SOMETIMES AT scsibus1: 1,0,0 AND SOMETIMES CAN'T BE FOUND.  
People suggested 9 is more stable so

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Re: Java - Why the _very_ ugly stuff?

[Shawn]

Please see
http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
http://www.graemepyle.com/linuxfonts.html
This is really embarassing.. Does Java have to look that bad on
Linux?  I just got
NetBeans and it's quite unusable.. Can anyone give a reason for that?


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Re: mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device

[Shawn]

Hello,

In reference to the "driver not present" message I get in the output of 
dmesg,

I need SCSI-emulation to burn a CD with a burner don't I?  How can I check 
if I have that?

(somewhat of a newby, haven't ever complied a kernel)

I am guessing from the following and the info below that for some reason 
SCSI-emulation has been turned off or removed.  But I really am not sure.  
Any help please (even if just to let me know I am really really off-track)?

/sbin/lsmod | grep cd
ide-cd 30632   0
cdrom  30208   0 [sr_mod ide-cd]
ehci-hcd   15464   0 (unused)
usbcore69664   1 [usb-storage hid usb-uhci ehci-hcd usb- 
ohci]

/sbin/lsmod | grep ide
ide-cd 30632   0
cdrom  30208   0 [sr_mod ide-cd]




As
suggested, you could use SCSI-emulation, which is necessary for burning 
CDs
with a burner, but not necessary for read-only drives.  It's simpler to
stick with the IDE CD driver.

The source of your "driver not present" error message is the ide_open()
function in /usr/src/linux/drivers/ide/ide.c.  Even if you don't know C,
it's not too hard to understand:
static int ide_open (struct inode * inode, struct file * filp)
{
ide_drive_t *drive;
...
if (drive->driver == NULL) {
if (drive->media == ide_disk)
(void) request_module("ide-disk");
if (drive->scsi)
(void) request_module("ide-scsi");
if (drive->media == ide_cdrom)
(void) request_module("ide-cd");
if (drive->media == ide_tape)
(void) request_module("ide-tape");
if (drive->media == ide_floppy)
(void) request_module("ide-floppy");
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Re: mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device

[Shawn]

Have you checked to see if /dev/cdrom is a dead symbolic link?
well um (Newby here) clicking it brings me to /dev/hdc  (ok brings me to a 
message that nautilus can't display that file), so I believe it to be alive 
or is my method of checking faulty?

if I run:

dmesg | less

I find:

hdc: SONY CD-RW CRX140E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive

so it seems found but,
it's just a cd-rw and not a dvd-rom but the SONY CD-RW CRX140E is correct 
I believe

anyway, I also found

hdc: driver not present

so has my driver taken a wrong turn someplace

If so, how can I get it back on track?

(FYI - this is not in anyway music related -- just a data backup cd 
formatted and recorded with my current system)
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mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device

[Shawn]

Hello,

For some reason when I plop in a cd to make a backup, my system no longer 
recognizes the cdrom drive.

mount /mnt/cdrom
mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device
(used to be automatic anyway...)

I am hoping that it's just a configuration file matter.

Anytips on what file I should be looking at and what should be there?
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Re: Redhat login screen gone ...

[Shawn]

Hiho,

apperantly Gnome was uninstalled so I just reinstalled it and everything 
seems ok.  Sorry for the noise.  I just really had no idea Gnome packages 
weren't installed (or that Nautilus and Gedit were in fact Gnome).

...orignal message is below...
I used to have a nice login screen done by Redhat that let me choose the 
language and window manager among other things (standard8.0), but now I get 
a xfree86 (or similar) and my nautilus and gedit icon have gone dead nor 
will they run by command line.

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Redhat login screen gone - due to xfree86 update? windowMaker removal?

[Shawn]

Hello,

I used to have a nice login screen done by Redhat that let me choose the 
language and window manager among other things (standard8.0), but now I get 
a xfree86 (or similar) and my nautilus and gedit icon have gone dead nor 
will they run by command line.

I ran up2date this morning and updated xfree86 along with a few other 
recent bug fixes.  How can I get this back the way it was?

I also get this message on start-up

Failed to load image /usr/share/pixmaps/gedit-plugin-manager.png--

I also had tried the WindowMaker manager but decided against it and removed 
the package.  Did I nill some other things as well.

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RedHat 7.1 cannot see all physical memory

[Shawn Xu]

I have 256M memory, but RedHat 7.1 can see only 64M.

I have tried boot: linux mem=256M and in
/etc/lilo.conf

append="mem=256M", but both are no luck.

Any suggestions will highly appreciated.

Shawn


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mkbootdisk --/sbin/mkbootdisk worked

[Shawn]

sorry needed the full path

/sbin/mkbootdisk
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mkbootdisk

[Shawn]

Hi,

I need to make a bootdisk after installation and following RedHat's
guide use:

mkboootdisk kernel-2.4.18-27.8.0

but get:

bash: mkbootdisk: command not found

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swithing grub to lilo

[Shawn]

Since lilo is said to work with a usb keyboard, maybe I should switch
from grub

I found this: 

cp  /etc/lilo.conf.anaconda /etc/lilo.conf
/sbin/lilo -v
reboot

does it look healthy?  complete?

OK FOR A DUAL BOOT SYSTEM
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grub ignores usb keyboard --dual boot prob

[Shawn]

Hello,

Can I do anything to get grub/my system to use a usb keyboard so that I
can also launch into (unfortunately I must) windows from time to
increasingly infrequent time???  Right now, grub (RH8.0 distro version)
doesn't get input from the my usb keyboard and loads linux by default.

 
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RE: RH8.0 Input method

[shawn]

Haven't tried it myself since Evolution has a bug and mail is about all
I'd use it for.

Anyway, see the links from the Tokyo Linux User's Group at
http://www.tlug.jp/m17n/index.html
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~/.mozilla/plugins

[shawn]

Hi,

what does ~/.mozilla/plugins mean?

/path_to_it/.mozilla/plugins

??

I just don't know the ~ sign

PS apperently I can avoid permission issues by doing it this way 
 according to http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Java
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RE: System Monitor accuracy

[shawn]

 Nevermind mind my whining.  I should be shot.  I have to click the little white 
triangle
and look at the threads below the process to see what the cpu is doing.

I just with the Tomcat and the Sun One studio weren't both called 'java'.

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System Monitor accuracy

[shawn]

Is it just me or is the System Monitor unreliable.

It shows my cpu at 100% locked there and my system is responding slowly
but viewing it bye the process listing (all, my and/or active) gives me
nothing using the cpu other than the system monitor and netscape at like
1%).  

Under windows at least I could find and shut the culprit down.  It may
well have to do with the ide I'm using to write some java stuff or a web
app that I'm working on but I hate to just have to kill everything
blindly hoping to get working again.

Ok after a long time my ide threw a out of memory error and died. Which leaves me with
it frozen (just that program is) on the screen.  The System monitor seems not to 
include
that so I really don't know how to kill it and restart it without a reboot.

Any suggestions for making my processes more identifiable.  Is this just a RH8.0 x 
windows thing
or is linux always like this I wonder.  It seems from the list and my experience that 
x is a little unstable under RH8.

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RE: java IDE...

[shawn]

Yes it was renamed.  The community edition really has a lot of features
(like Tomcat embbedded and ant included for build work and mobile
editions and cvs client (for getting and building open source projects
ect..).

The only trouble I had was installing the ide/java sdk combo package. 
It didn't set the java_home properly and wouldn't install the ide until
the home was set.  Easy to fix, just set the JAVA_HOME and then
re-install.  There's a better explaination on the install? forum for for
Forte. 

Also, Forte and NetBeans are built off the same code.  People advised me
that Forte on Linux can be tricky to install and suggested NetBeans
instead.

Happy coding and please make a killer-app to sink Bill G and his evil
ways.

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solved cd-rw error and how-to ?

[shawn]

Nevermind,

Trial and error, erasing the disk although it appeared to be empty (my
guess is a failed write attempt left some gargabe on it that made it
appear full) and mounting and unmounting the drive after writing
(because without it all my files looked like unicode garbage), and
changing permission to allow me to see the folder ended up working fine.

It's nice to be backup up because you can put me in the sometimes
ignorant/reckless sometimes cautiously experimental but mostly can't
tell the difference category.

Shawn 


On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 09:27, shawn wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to back something up to my cd-rw and keep getting errors.
> 
> I tried both via cd-roast and making a iso via the commmand line and
> writing via cdrecord (as suggested in the RedHat getting started guide).
> 
> I dk if it makes a diff, but I originally had written a different iso
> under windows to the disk and then erased it succussfully under linux.
> 
> Anyway, if the following makes any sence and indicated my problem, I
> greatly appreciate letting me know.
> 
> Shawn
> 
> 
> $ su root -c "cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=1,0,0 webapps.iso"
> Password:
> Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg Schilling
> TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
> scsidev: '1,0,0'
> scsibus: 1 target: 0 lun: 0
> Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
> Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
> atapi: 1
> Device type: Removable CD-ROM
> Version: 0
> Response Format: 1
> Vendor_info: 'SONY'
> Identifikation : 'CD-RW  CRX140E  '
> Revision   : '1.0n'
> Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
> Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
> Drive buf size : 4183808 = 4085 KB
> FIFO size  : 4194304 = 4096 KB
> Track 01: data   22 MB
> Total size:  25 MB (02:31.28) = 11346 sectors
> Lout start:  25 MB (02:33/21) = 11346 sectors
> Current Secsize: 2048
> ATIP info from disk:
>   Indicated writing power: 5
>   Reference speed: 2
>   Is not unrestricted
>   Is erasable
>   ATIP start of lead in:  -11615 (97:27/10)
>   ATIP start of lead out: 335925 (74:41/00)
>   speed low: 0 speed high: 4
>   power mult factor: 4 5
>   recommended erase/write power: 3
>   A2 values: 5C C6 26
> Disk type:Phase change
> Manuf. index: 18
> Manufacturer: Plasmon Data systems Ltd.
> Trying to clear drive status.
> cdrecord: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status.
> Blocks total: 335925 Blocks current: 335925 Blocks remaining: 324579
> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session.
> Last chance to quit, starting real write in 0 seconds. Operation starts.
> Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
> Performing OPC...
> cdrecord: Input/output error. read track info: scsi sendcmd: no error
> CDB:  52 01 00 00 00 FF 00 00 1C 00
> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 C0
> Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
> Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0
> Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) error refers to command part, bit ptr 0
> (not valid) field ptr 0
> cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 240s
> Writing  time:0.024s
> Fixating...
> cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no
> error
> CDB:  5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 00
> Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
> Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0
> Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
> cmd finished after 0.019s timeout 480s
> cmd finished after 0.019s timeout 480s
> Fixating time:0.021s
> cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets.
> cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%.
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lock on RPM

[shawn]

I wanted to delete an RPM but couldn't.

Should I try the apt thing recommended?

btw on my system no package requires mysql-server-3.23.52-3


[javauser@The_Big_Playhouse javauser]$ rpm -evv mysql-server-3.23.52-3
D: opening  db index   /var/lib/rpm/Packages rdonly mode=0x0
D: locked   db index   /var/lib/rpm/Packages
D: opening  db index   /var/lib/rpm/Name rdonly mode=0x0
D: opening  db index   /var/lib/rpm/Pubkeys rdonly mode=0x0
D:  read h# 628 Header sanity check: OK
D: == DSA pubkey id 219180cddb42a60e
D:  read h# 617 Header V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID db42a60e
D: == --- mysql-server-3.23.52-3
D: opening  db index   /var/lib/rpm/Requirename rdonly mode=0x0
D: closed   db index   /var/lib/rpm/Pubkeys
D: closed   db index   /var/lib/rpm/Requirename
D: closed   db index   /var/lib/rpm/Name
D: closed   db index   /var/lib/rpm/Packages
D: opening  db index   /var/lib/rpm/Packages rdonly mode=0x42
error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages
D: closed   db index   /var/lib/rpm/Packages
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted
(1)
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[javauser@The_Big_Playhouse javauser]$
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cd-rw error and how-to ?

[shawn]

Hello,

I am trying to back something up to my cd-rw and keep getting errors.

I tried both via cd-roast and making a iso via the commmand line and
writing via cdrecord (as suggested in the RedHat getting started guide).

I dk if it makes a diff, but I originally had written a different iso
under windows to the disk and then erased it succussfully under linux.

Anyway, if the following makes any sence and indicated my problem, I
greatly appreciate letting me know.

Shawn


$ su root -c "cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=1,0,0 webapps.iso"
Password:
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J?rg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: '1,0,0'
scsibus: 1 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
atapi: 1
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info: 'SONY'
Identifikation : 'CD-RW  CRX140E  '
Revision   : '1.0n'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
Drive buf size : 4183808 = 4085 KB
FIFO size  : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: data   22 MB
Total size:  25 MB (02:31.28) = 11346 sectors
Lout start:  25 MB (02:33/21) = 11346 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP info from disk:
  Indicated writing power: 5
  Reference speed: 2
  Is not unrestricted
  Is erasable
  ATIP start of lead in:  -11615 (97:27/10)
  ATIP start of lead out: 335925 (74:41/00)
  speed low: 0 speed high: 4
  power mult factor: 4 5
  recommended erase/write power: 3
  A2 values: 5C C6 26
Disk type:Phase change
Manuf. index: 18
Manufacturer: Plasmon Data systems Ltd.
Trying to clear drive status.
cdrecord: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status.
Blocks total: 335925 Blocks current: 335925 Blocks remaining: 324579
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
cdrecord: Input/output error. read track info: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  52 01 00 00 00 FF 00 00 1C 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 C0
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) error refers to command part, bit ptr 0
(not valid) field ptr 0
cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 240s
Writing  time:0.024s
Fixating...
cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no
error
CDB:  5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.019s timeout 480s
cmd finished after 0.019s timeout 480s
Fixating time:0.021s
cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%.
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Re: RH8.0 very unstable

[shawn]

My system freezes too.

I hit Control+alt+backspace and end up at the login screen.  Not the
stability I hoped for but saves time compared to a full reboot the my
win2k always launched itself into.

Shawn
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 9
> From: "Didimo Grimaldo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RH8.0 very unstable
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:23:10 +0100
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I think that is my verdict on Red Hat 8.0. Not only that in trying to 
> install GRUB (and getting it right) it screwed up my WinXP installation (I 
> lost valuable data). I freezes quite often.
> 
> And when it freezes I can only move the mouse but can't focus on anything to 
> perform anything useful. Only a reboot (sounds like Windows) would get me 
> out of it.
> 
> These freezes always seem to happen when Mozilla is active.
> 
> The good old Yahoo Messenger (version 0.99) is now broken. I noticed I can 
> type messages but all the incoming messages (while online) are totally 
> unreadable, you only see dots, like squashed-down letters. That was fine in 
> RH7.2. I think that was the best Y!Messenger for Linux. I tried GAIM and 
> didn't like it at all.
> 
> Several nice applets (like the various clock applets) are gone.
> 
> Booting with LILO on the MBR gets me a Kernel Panic so I can only boot from 
> floppy :(
> 
> There are other points that don't come to my mind, but using it has become a 
> frustrating experience.
> 
> I think I should have left my system with 7.2 and waited for 8.1. The 
> big-number.0 releases are always problematic.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: RH8.0 and making it secure

[shawn]

For what it's worth,

I picked up Building Secure Servers with Linux (BAUER --O'Reilly press).

It suggested among other things http://www.bastille-linux.org/ which
offers some perl scripts...


Bastille Linux has been designed to educate the installing
administrator about the security issues involved in each of the
script's tasks, thereby securing both the box and the
administrator. Each step is optional and contains a description
of the security issues involved.

I guess you can skip the explanations if you wish.  Haven't used it yet
myself as I'm in a developement environment now and don't go beyond
localhost.


 
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workspace icons

[shawn]

Hello,

This is a really picky request but is it possible to specify which icons
will be used in the workspace.  For example, in workspace 1 the
Nautalus, Evolution, Gnome-terminal all look the same.It'd be nice to
just be able to look at them and tell the diff and not have to go over
it with a mouse.

Also, what would really be nice is to be able to close each of those
groups with just one click.  Now I seem to have to close for example
each nautalus window individually.

Anyway, I like the way my system will reboot into linux when windows
crashes while my wife was trying to use e-mail.  She got really confused
at first 'cause I hadn't mentioned it to her.

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changing shell

[shawn]

I'd like to change my shell to bash (from ash) but can't using the
following:

chsh -s /bin/bash
Changing shell for NewRedHatuser.
Password:
Shell not changed.

How can I set it up to load bash for this local user at boot time?

Shawn



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command line history

[shawn]

when I work as root I get a nice history of the commands I've done on
the command line.

that dissappears when I am just a user.  I don't need the root history
but just that for the user.  how can I set it so that the command line
with remember the commands I do as a user too?

TIA,

Shawn



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adobe reader install ?

[shawn]

Hello,

I would like to get Adobe reader installed as it let's me use the
bookmarks feature in a side window.  The included viewers on RH8 don't
seem to let me do that.

After downloading it and running the install script, I have a
/usr/local/Acrobat5 folder but can't get anything to run.

I tried opening a pdf via both 'open with another viewer / application'
but couldn't find anything that would do it.

Is the acroread script in /usr/local/Acrobat5/bin supposed to run?  I
tried it in a console and got some font error (flashed by too quickly to
read).

What do I need to do?

Shawn





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/etc/profile.d to /etc/rc.d/init.d

[shawn]

I have the following in /etc/profile.d which works fine but I would like
to move it to /etc/rc.d/init.d and then link it to the correct run
level.

export JAVA_HOME=/jdev/j2sdk1.4.1
export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
export CATALINA_HOME=/jdev/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.17
$CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh &
/bin/sh -c 'cd /usr ; ./bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql &'

If I put it there however, Tomcat and MySql don't start. (I was told
that since they are system processes and not for a local user they'd
best be in init.d)

I put #!/bin/sh at the top and named the link s30tom_and_mysql and tried
several versions of it with /bin/sh -c in front of all the statements
ect...

There are also sh scripts for tomcat and mysql that could be placed in
init.d and calling them with /ect/rc.d/init.d/mysql start works fine but
placing a link in rc5.d doesn't (with tomcat that's because the
JAVA_HOME wasn't set but for mysql I haven't a clue).

I believe I checked permissions for all the executables.

Any tips? Pointers?

TIA,

Shawn


PS I guess I'd prefer to call

 $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh &
/bin/sh -c 'cd /usr ; ./bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql &'

instead of putting the scripts in init.d so I can create a user with no
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/ect/rc.d/rc.local ?

[shawn]

Hello (newby here),

I read to place ...startup.sh in /etc/rc.d/rc.local to start my app
(Tomcat) on startup.

OK seems to work.

I also placed

export JAVA_HOME=/jdev/j2sdk1.4.1
export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH

there to set my java classpath.

I can see the file is found at startup but if I try to shutdown tomcat,
get a JAVA_HOME is not set message.

If I set it manually each time with the export statement, things are
just cheery but hey that's not what I came to Linux for.

What am I doing wrong?

Shawn






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easy installation

[shawn]

I read in ZDNET that some other distribution was better as it would find
the video card.

I had that problem but really since it asks you to confirm it's
selection, all's you need to do is know what video card you have.

Why the bad rap from ZDnet?  Let's throw eggs.

Also, they knocked linux for having bad fonts when web surfing.  But at
sourceforge.net there's a way to get microsoft's fonts.  Just search for
fonts and it should be near the top.

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Processes dieing on me

[Poulson, Shawn]

Hello list,

I've been trying to troubleshoot this problem for a week now.  I have a row of Compaq 
Proliant 5500 servers all running Red Hat 6.2.  The install is basically 
out-of-the-box.

Background:
I build SAP R/3 servers on Linux using a home-grown perl script that uncompresses data 
files from *.csar files.  These files total >4G in size.  csar = another home-grown 
archive util, like zip.  The csar utility is not the problem; it has been in use for 
years on RH6.2 with these files and has not ever been updated.  Also, the refresh 
utility is also not a problem because it, too, has been in use for years.

Things that fail:
- FTP of the csar files from either NT or RH6.2 based servers using the basic ftp 
command line client.  It eventually stops with 'Killed' and returns to the command 
shell.

- Copy all csar files local to, say, /compress.  I run the refresh utility and have it 
uncomrpess from /compress.  It runs great, until about an hour into the uncompression, 
it dies with 'Killed'.

Things that work:
- I managed to get the csar files onto the server using smbclient and grabbing from an 
NT server's share.  Why it worked when multiple attempts at FTP failed?  I don't know.

This doesn't seem to be a network issue due to processes dieing.  I tried taking all 
entries out of /root/.rhosts to make sure something wasn't going in to do this.  cron 
is also empty.

This is a severe problem for me because these servers need to work very soon so they 
can be rolled into production.  I was hoping someone had some ideas.

Thanks in advance.

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Aic7xxx on redhat7.3

[Shawn]

When I try to install redhat 7.3 it hangs on aic7xxx driver, is there an 
updated boot disk to resolve this isuse?



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Linux 7.2 boot up hanging

[Shawn]

Hi,

I'm having a problem when I try to bootup redhat.  I've had redhat on
the system for at least a week now and have rebooted countless times
before.  The system was on for about 36 hours so I decided to reboot
it...

When the boot up screen came on, it started to hang in various parts.
First it would hang when it says 'Building up interface eth0...' then
when 'Starting httpd...' and now its hanging before it even gets to
runlevel 5

I'm at a loss as to what I should do now :(  Is there anyone who has an
idea/suggestion for where I should proceed?

Thanks,

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Clear Server for downloading 6.2

[Shawn Hayes]

Hello,
Would anyone know of a clear server for RedHat 6.2 that I could download 
from. When I go to the mirror sites on Redhats websight I always get timed 
out because the servers are too busy.  Does anyone know of a safe Redhat 
server that would allow me to download?

Thank you,

Shawn



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kde/gnome setting monitor problem

[Shawn Hayes]

Hey everyone,

When I install linux in the kde and gnome settings the windows of programs 
are often times way too large.  Is there any command that can make the 
windows a size that fits the screen?  This wouldn't be too bad if I could 
resize the windows, but they a lot of the windows won't let me resize.  Has 
anyone else had this problem?

Thank you,

Shawnedhat-list

Terminal Commands

[Shawn Hayes]

Hello,

I was just wondering, would any of you happen to have a nice handy little 
txt file with a whole bunch of linux commands and what they do? It could be 
an excel file or whatever, just something! I have books but they just give 
you basic things that don't really explain.

Thank you,

Shawn



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Problem Logging in As User

[Shawn Hayes]

Hello,
I was wondering if anyone else here has ever had this problem logging in. 
 I set Linux to run the GNOME interface and everytime I login as a 
different user a message comes up saying "Panel
No response to the Save Yourself command.
The Program may be slow, stopped, or broken.
You may wait for it to repond or remove it."

If I say remove it then it deletes my panel. How do I get this error to 
stop appearing each time I create a new user and every time we log on?

Also, I'm positive I set my monitor settings up correctly but most of the 
programs I open or even just windows are gigantic and go past the monitors 
screen. When I try to adjust most of their sizes I can't do a thing. How do 
I fix that? I'd appreciate any help that can be given.

Thanks again,

-Shawn

P.S. Hi everyone! I'm Shawn, nice to be on the list!



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Re: exploit ??

[Shawn McMahon]

Has the use of search engines already become a lost art?

http://www.cert.org

http://www.geek-girl.com/bugtraq/


As you'd know if you'd spent 30 seconds looking on Yahoo.


Sorry, folks, but it really bugs me that people are becoming such sheep that
they don't make the tiny effort to find this stuff out without cluttering up
mailing lists with it.  If you can't be bothered to look something up before
you dash off to the mailing lists, how can you expect to possibly set up a
functioning and semi-secure Linux system?  You can't, that's how.


-Original Message-
From: Cristian KAMENICZKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Redhat List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: exploit ??


>> mailing lists, such as CERT and Bugtraq.
>Can you please tell me how to subscribe to them?



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Re: Upcoming ICQ X11 version!

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Upcoming ICQ X11 version!



>are the tools to replace ICQ that uses these protocals or options?   ICQ is
>so popular becasue it is very easy to use (once you get the files) and it
>reuqires little or no input to setup and use.

And it's very popular with hackers because it's so easy for them to hijack
your account and lock you out of it.  Takes mere minutes to hijack dozens of
accounts.

There is a workaround; if you never ever use it, they can't hijack your
account.



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Re: exploit ??

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: death <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: exploit ??


>others, all have had this problem at one time or another.  The most recent
>program with this problem has been named.  And even if it is a minor hole


There's a nice thread on qpopper going on on Bugtraq right now.  Qualcomm
has released a fix.  Run, do not walk, to their web page and pick it up if
you're using qpopper.

(Or don't use qpopper.)



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Re: exploit ??

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: death <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 1:26 AM
Subject: exploit ??


>Is there some public exploit that lets a person get root on a linux box ?

Lots of them.  You should at the very least keep up with the security
mailing lists, such as CERT and Bugtraq.



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Re: Off-topic: even Gates mentions Linux....

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Hal (DCI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Off-topic: even Gates mentions Linux


>Personally, I stay away from ANYTHING that is has the IBM label on it. You
>can not depend on IBM to stay with the program or direction for a long
>period of time.  When I take my petroleum distribution software and port it
>to a new OS, I exepect the company that I select to maintain that OS or
>interface for more than two years with on-going committed support.


Don't mistake the IBM PC Software division for the whole of IBM.



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Re: 2.0.34 kernel

[Shawn Djernes]

Hello,

You can get the Tar Gzip version at:

ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel/v2.0

Shawn

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Igor N. Green wrote:

> Hello people!
> 
> can anybody give me an ftp address where I can get kernel 2.0.34
> but it is very desirable that it 'd be in tgz archive . (I'm fed up with
> rpm)
> 
> thanks in advance..
> 
> Igor N. Green
> 
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Re: POP3 server config page?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: dreamwvr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: POP3 server config page?


>Hi Sean,
> You had mentioned that IMAP is better than POP3 but i am not certain
>how to configure it:'( do you simply add it to /etc/services and have it
>listen for
>requests for mail.

Pretty much.  You'd probably want to run it from inetd.  Whichever imapd you
choose will have specific configuration instructions.  They're usually very
complete instructions.

> From what i understand it does the delivery rather than
>sendmail.

sendmail uses a local delivery agent to deliver mail to the proper
mailboxes.  imapd doesn't get involved in this process at all.

BTW, IMAP is "better" than POP3 in some senses, but there're two fairly
crucial senses in which it isn't:

1) IMAP provides more access to your machine.  It is therefore more
sensitive to, and subject to, security problems.  In fact, there has been a
fairly recent rash of IMAP-related security problems.  So keep up with the
latest security fixes.

2) There are a heck of a lot more POP-capable programs available than there
are IMAP-capable ones.  This is becoming a non-issue, though, since all the
major readers are adding (or have added) IMAP support.



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Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Tony Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?


>business needs for resilience will result in a demand for simple,
>self installing and self-maintaining servers that require mimimum
>training of staff, support and downtime. Clearly at the moment all
>current OSs do not fit those requirements.


It seems likely, however, that the OSes that do fit those requirements will
grow out of existing platforms.

What we should be trying to see happen is for those solutions to be built
upon a strong foundation and targetted toward usability.  The opposite
approach (which is gaining market share nearly as fast as Linux) is to be
avoided.

BTW, "will result" is a small misstatement.  These have always been
business' needs, and that's why Microsoft uses 14 AS/400s to drive their
business instead of a boatload of NT servers.

(The "14" figure is a few months old, and may be incorrect by now.)




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Re: Exchange compatible email program for linux?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Shawn Djernes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jann Linder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Exchange compatible email program for linux?


>If you have pine on your Linux system it will work you just need to have
>the exchange server set up for IMAP access to mail.  Or if you are not
>worried about storing mail on the server you could just use a POP3 client
>to get your mail.


Pine, BTW, is a POP client.  It's just not well-documented (or wasn't last
time I checked, haven't upgraded a Pine installation in the last year.)



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Re: Exchange compatible email program for linux?

[Shawn Djernes]

Hello,

If you have pine on your Linux system it will work you just need to have
the exchange server set up for IMAP access to mail.  Or if you are not
worried about storing mail on the server you could just use a POP3 client
to get your mail.

Shawn

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Jann Linder wrote:

> I want to stay in Linux and not flip between nt and linux...but my email 
> comes through exchangeare there any exchange compatible mail readers 
> for linux out there?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Jann
> 
> 
> Jann Linder
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> are educated enough that they can tell the difference between the men's 
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Re: Q: news servers

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Scott Darden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Q: news servers


>A full news feed is about 28GB, 30,000 news groups, 700,000
>articles, all per day.  About 80% of that is binaries, 65% of which are in
>alt.bin*, with alt.warez* taking up most of the rest of that binary
>bandwidth.


Ouch.  That's 8 articles per second.

That's also 229,376 megabits per day, or 2.65 megabits per second, more
bandwidth than a T1.

Remove binaries, and that's about  45875.2 megabits per day, or .531
megabits per second.  Not even a 512k pipe can handle it.

Thanks; that settles a lot of questions.

It also shows that the anti-spammers are right; if the spam wasn't there
(they estimate it's half the traffic) it'd all fit nicely in a T1.  Assuming
they're correct in their "half" estimate.



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Re: XWindows damaging my monitor?!

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: David Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: XWindows damaging my monitor?!


>You know what bothers me?  Windows 95 does not need to know all this
>information when setting up the display?  However, XFree wants to know
>everything except my shoe size!


Actually, it does need to know these things.  But if it can't find them
(either via Plug and Play, or via you picking the right monitor from the
list) it'll make lowest-common-denominator guesses.

If you present it with a sufficiently weird monitor, those guesses might
start a fire.



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Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Michael Jinks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?


>What if (and I won't be surprised if RH does this when the gnome and E
>get a little further along) there were another "specialized version" of
>Linux -- call it "Desktop Linux" -- that maybe came with nicely-tweaked
>GUI settings, all tuned up to feature some productivity apps in a nice
>clickable display fresh out of the box.

Exactly.  That's why I said "not in it's present form".

Something like this can and should be done, and (like so many other things
in Linux) we're just this close to having the necessary infrastructure in
place.

It should be done, it probably will be done, but until it's done Grandma is
better off, in measurable terms, with 95/98/Mac.

>could set up RH5.1 (or even 4.2 for that matter -- fdisk isn't _that_
>hard).

I think that for purposes of this discussion, we are pretty much by
definition referring to people for whom fdisk is too much.

>  What it would do, though, is take some of the slop out of the
>VAR stage of the game.  I think it's generally agreed that marketing is
>a bigger obstacle for us now than usability.  If more VAR's could be
>presented with shrinkwrapped boxes that they could blow onto hundreds of
>machines, quickly turning those machines into Grandma-compatible
>desktops without ever having to run vi, they might be less nervous about
>offering Linux.


I'm kind of mixed on this.  On the one hand, it would darn sure help us all
out on the hardware-support and first-tier-application support if a bunch of
VARs started dumping Linux on the market.

On the other hand, we don't want Linux to be so easy to install for these
VARs that a bunch of untrained idiots can do it, because if they can they
will.  They're doing it with NT now, and they did it with Lantastic before
that.

This is not meant to imply that any VAR who uses Lantastic is automatically
an idiot, people, please don't think I'm implying that.  Nor is it meant to
imply that NT is an idiots-only OS.  Please recall that I'm administrating a
network of 6 NT Servers even as we speak.

However, those networks that were slopped together by half-ass VARs with
Lantastic all pretty much have one thing in common today; they hate
Lantastic and wouldn't use it again if they were paid to.

We don't want that happening to Linux.

So I'm kind of mixed about it, because as things stand right now a trained,
competent VAR can use Linux.  The problem he'll run into is lack of
consistent hardware support.

Say he is pushing HP Vectras.  Those are a popular VAR box.

Maybe this week every piece of hardware in them is supported by Linux, but
what do you do if the next model has a video chip built on the motherboard
that doesn't work with anything except Accelerated-X?  Add $200 onto your
cost per system?

And what if they have a built-in Ethernet that's not supported at all,
period, anywhere?  Promise Donald Becker you'll wash his car every weekend,
and beg him to bail you out?

It's a problem, and there are two solutions to it:


1) The existing Linux-friendly OEMs need to get the word out.

2) The big guns need to support Linux.

Ideally, both of these need to happen.  But it's a tough row to hoe; HP and
IBM aren't going to sabotage HP-UX and AIX, respectively, in order to
support Linux.

Dell and Gateway aren't going down that road.

Who's going to fill the gap?  Not Compaq, they got bit on the ass with Unix
already.


Sure, you and I would just say "Linux Hardware Solutions" or "Indelible
Blue, Inc." or "VA Research" or one of those great companies (god bless you
every one, boys) but Joe's System Integration and Fried Pies has never heard
of these folks, and more importantly when he walks in the door of the local
companies they have never heard of 'em, either.  They've heard of IBM, HP,
Dell, Gateway, Compaq.  They may have even heard of Micron and Quantex.


So what needs to happen, in better illustrative terms, is:

1) Compaq needs to support and pre-install Linux.

or:

2) VA Research needs to have boxes on the shelves at Wal-mart.  Even if
those boxes only come with Windows 98 on them.




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Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Anthony E. Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?


>In the first place, I don't think Linux vs Win95 is as appropriate as Linux
>vs NT.

That's pretty much my whole point.  Linux isn't a substitute for Windows 95,
any more than a Ferrari Testarossa is a substitute for a Geo Metro.  You use
the two for different things.

But it's an excellent substitute for NT Server.

We're doing ourselves a disservice if we convince people to substitute our
orange for their Apple.  :-)



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Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?

[Shawn McMahon]

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From: Rich Kulawiec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?


>Yes to the first, but no to the second.  Granmda should have a Mac, so that
>she can install and configure her own software a high degree of probability
>that she won't break the last piece of software she installed.

I hesitate to agree with that, because of two points:

1) If she's in her local software store and she sees a great-looking program
that she wants, odds are that it will run under 95, but not on the Mac.

2) If she does blow something up beyond her capabilities to fix, there will
be more local computer technicians who can deal with a 95 system.

I picture that what we want for Grandma (and of course there are going to
exceptions, I wouldn't give my Grandma even a Mac, and when my wife's a
grandma she'll be using some form of Unix) is something that meets these
qualifications:

1)  Preferably she doesn't have to do any installation initially, and if she
does every question should be explained onscreen and idiot-proofed.

2) If she sees a program she wants, the odds that it won't work on her
system should be as minimal as possible.

3) It should come out of the box with PPP, a web browser, and an email
client, which should be commonly-used enough that at least half the
technicians at her ISP know how to set it all up and troubleshoot it.

4) If she sees a piece of hardware that she wants, the odds that it won't
work on her system should be as minimal as possible.  Further, any local
computer store at all should be able to install it for her.


The Mac achieves number 1 with flying colors, and half of number 3 depending
upon her ISP.  (A lot of them tell Mac folks "sorry, here's the numbers you
need, you're on your own troubleshooting".)  However, it fails numbers 2 and
4 currently.

This is not the place to discuss how it could fix these things.

However, I think it's pretty clear that Linux, in it's present form, doesn't
meet any of these requirements fully.  Even number 3; although Linux has a
tremendously robust PPP implementation and a plethora of connectivity
applications, Grandma's ISP probably doesn't support it at all.  I know ISPs
who use Linux on their servers, and still don't have enough trained
technical support staff who can troubleshoot hooking it up.

Red Hat has made tremendous strides in solving all of these problems, and I
am quite optimistic that they'll solve them all or at least drive the
industry enough that someone will solve them.  But Grandma probably isn't
going to be able to fathom which programs she can buy, and which ones she
can't.  She probably isn't going to understand why she can't buy the cheaper
Winmodem, but has to spring for the real modem instead.  Never mind that the
Winmodem sucks even under Windows.

When you explain it to her, she's going to say "let me get this straight; I
paid Gateway for a computer that came with Windows 98 for free (it wasn't
free, but she had to pay for it whether she wanted it or not, so for our
purposes it's free) and then I spent $49 on this Red Hat Linux thing, and
now I have to pay more for some hardware, can't use other hardware at all,
and can't buy any programs?  Put Windows back on this thing or I'm shipping
it back to South Dakota."


Grandma doesn't know that Linux is going to make her computer run faster,
more securely, or more robustly, and she probably doesn't care.  She does
know that the ladies in her sewing circle all have this ICQ thing, or that
she can play bridge at the Internet Gaming Zone with her old friend Myrtle
who moved to Florida, or that she can buy that cute little scanner at
CompUSA and use it to email people pictures of her grandchildren.  Except
for that naughty one that installed that nasty Linux thing.  He's out of the
will.

She can do that will on the new legal aid program she bought, that won't run
on Linux but runs on 98 just fine.



I want to see Linux overcome this.  I'm a firm believer that if you start
with a good foundation and build toward legacy support, you end up with a
better product than if you start with legacy support and try to retrofit
cement over the cardboard foundation.



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Re: Q: news servers

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Q: news servers


>It really seems to have ballooned.  A year ago a full feed was only 4GB
>per day.


Which is when my info's from; I got them to give up trying to host it
ourselves a year and a half ago.

>I don't think the history file benefits so much from being on a striped
>disk.  The news spool itself certainly does.


Every message that comes in generates one or more entries in the history
file.

A year and a half ago, that was about 1.5 messages per second.  I would
presume it's up around 4 or more per second now, based on the volume, but
that number is a guess (and I hope somebody will chime in with better
numbers.)

Writing a minimum of 4 entries per second to that one file is going to be
pretty taxing if it's all on one spindle.  A lot of messages are
cross-posts, too.

(Ok, it's a couple of files, but still.  db databases aren't meant to be
super fast with massive volume.)



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No more HTML mail messages

[Shawn McMahon]

I'm no longer in that thread.  Feel free to write me privately if you want
to discuss it.

Sorry for carrying it on so long.

In my defense, however, I took a week off while my son was born, so I was
catching up on 2000+ messages.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: GateKeepeR News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>Came here to read intelligent information and comments, not stupid shit
>from an ignorant prick like you.


Well excuse the hell out of me.  If losing the argument is going to bother
you that much, then I resign from it.

I'll post no more on the subject.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Greg Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>The rest of the tags make extremely annoying messages.  Also, it's funny
>that HTML proponents never address the addtional size of HTML mail.


You have been skimming messages, then.

But I'll address it again the way we always do:

Mail is tiny.  It's a miniscule fraction of the traffic on the net.
Doubling or tripling it doesn't amount to a fart in a tornado.



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Re: Adding A New Partition

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Brian Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Adding A New Partition


>You can use PowerQuest's PartitionMagic to non-destructively resize
>partitions.  It does support Linux ext2, but I've noticed that you can't
>use it
>to create a Linux ext2 partition.  You should be able to resize the
partition,
>though.  Of course, back everything up before doing it. :)


PartitionMagic does not resize ext2 partitions, nor will it move them.

It can move everything else around them, but not that partition.

PowerQuest has a utility that will supposedly work with Linux partitions.  I
don't have it and haven't tested it.  Contact PowerQuest.



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Re: Cookies

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Robert L. Willsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: Cookies


>way to much space. I am sure most people have their machines set this way.
I


I'm curious; why are you sure of this?

My experience is the exact opposite, and since the majority of my experience
with cookies stems from running an ISP in the same area of the same state as
the one you use, I doubt it's a regional difference.



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Re: Win95 to Linux

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Bill Knebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 9:47 AM
Subject: Win95 to Linux


>without using network cards?  If network cards are necessary, how much do
>you think it would cost?


If you're willing to go extra cheapo, I found a PC-Card ethernet NIC for $50
at Insight, and an ISA NE2000 clone for $12.88.

Then you need a crossover cable, which should be less than $20 (for a short
one) at your local computer store.

Or get them to make you one, which should be really cheap.



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Re: POP3 server config page?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Dodd Graham Civ USAFE CSS/SCBS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: POP3 server config page?


>BTW take a look at IMAP, it is better than POP3.


Make sure you keep current on security fixes; imapd has been the source of a
lot of root exploits lately.



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Re: PCI Sound?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Randy Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 12:07 AM
Subject: PCI Sound?


>example, The Ensoniq PCI cards are available for dirt cheap, and are
>listed as compatible with OSS.  Do they work good?


I haven't set my Ensoniq up under Linux yet, but they work great under NT.
Sound is excellent, especially if you use the 4Mb Win95 wavetable file.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: dreamwvr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chris Fishwick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>right tool for the job i often think to myself? Anyways it would be
>amusing to create a script that scans for the first  and the
> and strips it off emailing it to the sender as text to be read
>at there leisure;') Think after a few well meaning emails they would
>get the message and leave the  to the browsers to read.


Two observations:

1) Or, they might just set up a filter to bounce you back 100 copies of
anything they receive from you.

2) I love the fact that you quoted dozens of unecessary lines, including
list tags and signatures, in a message complaining about other people's
nettiquette.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Derek Balling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>>case-by-case basis. There _is_ a place for HTML mail.
>
>That may be. But not in my mailbox. :)


The funny thing is, Pine marks the main body as a MIME attachment, type
text/plain, character set usually (as in your case) us-ascii.



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RSH still isn't working

[Shawn Djernes]

Hi All,

I know someone answered this before but I have not figured out what my
hosts.allow *.deney have to do with accessing another computer with RSH.
Could someone be long winded on what I am doing wrong here.

rsh -l sdjernes mail "/usr/lib/sendmail -qRsdjernes.clark.net"
select: protocol failure in circuit setup

that is the error I get when I try this command from my REDHAT 5.0 box or
from the redhat box at work.  It works from the other sun machine at my
provider and it uste to work on this machine with a inferior linux
distribution.

Help Please
Shawn



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Greg Fall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>To me the troubling aspect of these HTML-formatted messages is this:
>implicit in them is an indication that the sender does not realize that
>the rest of the world doesn't use HTML for e-mail, mostly, and maybe he
>doesn't even realize that he is using HTML.


Most of the rest of the world does have the ability to read it, however.
That wasn't true as late as a year ago, but I'll bet you dollars to donuts
it is now.


That being said, most of this list doesn't use it, and that's why I don't
use it here.

Yet.



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Should we be pushing Linux over Windows 95?

[Shawn McMahon]

It's a good question.  I'll enumerate my views as to why not more completely
as the thread continues, but in order to focus it I wanted to start this new
thread around this point:


Resolved: We should be pushing Linux as an alternative to Windows NT Server,
Novell Netware, and commercial Unixes that target x86 and comparable
"desktop" hardware, but we should not be pushing it in anything like it's
present form as an alternative to Windows 95, Windows NT Workstation (except
in some places where Unix is already appropriate), or the Macintosh OS.

Further resolved: Linux isn't an appropriate OS for your grandma.  Windows
95 is.

And finally resolved: If you try to convince grandma she should be running
Linux, you're wasting your time and annoying grandma.  If you're lucky,
you'll fail to convince her to switch.  If you're really unlucky, you'll
convince her.


The expiration date on these statements is December 31, 1998.  Do not
consider them operative past this date unless I've renewed them.  I hope I
won't have to, but I'll bet I do.



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Re: Q: news servers

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Q: news servers


>(Are you sure your internet connectivity bandwidth is sufficient to
>accept a full newsfeed?)


An important point, BTW.

56k won't cut it.  Last time I checked, 128k would, but I wouldn't be
surprised if it's gone past that now.

More importantly, however, will your hard drives cut it?  A single big, fast
drive won't.  2 probably won't.

The big news servers run with many small drives striped, and you're better
off if the history file is on multiple spindles that aren't also doing
something else.


Cut out alt.binaries.* and you can get away with 56k and one stripe set,
maybe, if you don't do anything else with that 56k.

I ran one briefly (before I convinced them to farm it out to a third party)
with two hard drives, not striped, and a busy 256k pipe.

We were not carrying alt.binaries.* and alt.warez.*, meaning we had
approximately a half feed.

We were getting approximately 2/3 of the remaining news per day, meaning
that at the end of three days we were a full day behind in news.


BTW, older versions of INN supposedly can't even handle the volume even with
fast hardware, but I can't confirm this, having never run it on sufficient
hardware with a full feed.  I suspect the figures may be bogus, since they
came from sales people for a commercial news server product.



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Re: What's so great about Linux?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Rich Kulawiec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: What's so great about Linux?


>Just remember what happened between VMS and Berkeley Unix.  All the
>comments you are making now were made 15 years ago, when that struggle
>became visible.  The outcome?  Unix built the Internet.  Ken Olsen's
>insistence on VMS destroyed DEC and allowed companies like Sun to blossom.


And then Dave "Father of VMS" Cutler jumped over to Microsoft and built NT.

He learned from his mistakes; why waste money on trying to improve the OS
when you can spend it on marketing instead?  If nobody's heard of the
competition, it doesn't matter if they're technically superior.


Windows NT is a triumph of the modern viewpoint; style over substance.  The
same viewpoint that results in the situation where we'll throw a kid out of
school for kissing a girl, but when he's older if he rapes and murders her
he'll get probation.



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Re: What's so great about Linux?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: What's so great about Linux?


>monolithic compile.  My netowrk card (Linksys 10/100 using the PNIC chip)
>is not supported by Redhat's driver.  It requires version .83 or above to
>work.  I had to find it on the net, download it, modify the C code to
>enable full duplex support and then install it.

So what?  Linux supported my Logitech Soundman Wave (a Plug-and-Play card,
BTW) out of the box.

With Windows 95, I had to find the driver on the net and download it.

With Windows NT, it wasn't supported at all.


This problem isn't unique to Linux.

But at least with your Linksys card, you had the advantage that you could
get that source code and make that modification.  If you want to fix one of
the bugs in the Windows 95 driver for that card, you're SOL.



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Re: What's so great about Linux?

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: What's so great about Linux?


>lack of an automated way to configure them in Linux.  But I think ISA PnP
>cards are a transition technology that will soon be gone altogether
>replaced by PCI.  (I can hope!)


Ironically, the necessary final nail in this coffin is being placed there by
Microsoft and Intel; the PC 99 spec doesn't allow ISA slots.  Certain
internal devices are allowed to continue to use the ISA bus.

>understand this.  If you want your program to run on Linux, why don't you
>make it easy to install?


"Easy to install on Linux" does not necessarily equate to "easy to install
on Red Hat Linux 5.x".

Red Hat 5.x is a hybrid system, and that causes some problems right now.
It's not StarOffice's fault, and they would probably argue (excuse me if I'm
speaking out of turn, fellows) that it's Red Hat's issue to fix, not theirs.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Deryk Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>> A tremendous number of people agree that there should be some kind of
markup
>> language established as a standard for email.  Every commercial email
>> package supports one or more markup methods.
>
>Sorry, but your second sentence does not either follow from or lead
>logically to the previous.


That is correct.  They were two statements of fact, not a progression.

The next statements progressed from these two facts.

>Oh really? And I say that I *am* against HTML in email and I am in
>favour of email's being a rich method of communication?


This particular fight has pretty much already been lost; it's unlikely at
this point that another markup language will overtake HTML as the
markup-of-choice for email.

You can, of course, continue to fight that fight; but I submit that unless
you write a really killer cross-platform application that supports your
chosen markup language and doesn't support HTML, and otherwise has some
features that just make people NEED it, you're spitting into a hurricane.

>As far as I'mn concerned, adding bloody HTML tags makes the mail
>*harder* to read and certainly doesn't increase its
>comprehensibililty.


No more so than any other markup language, if it's not processed by the
application.

Hell, ANSI tags are a lot worse.

>> Sure, there will be idiots who insist on using colors and tiny font
sizes,
>> but it's trivial to ignore them and they'll grow out of it.
>
>Oh trivial is it?


Are you saying that it's not trivial to hit delete once or twice a day, and
maybe add the offender into a killfile if he persists?

I can only recall seeing one or two emails in the last couple of weeks that
used obnoxious font sizes, and I'm drawing a blank as to a single one that
used color in a manner that detracted from the ability to read and
comprehend the message.

Yes, I'd say ignoring that is pretty trivial, unless you're using "less" to
read your email.

>Apart from the fact that MIT specifically ask us *not* to call it
>X-Windows this is total and utter nonsense.


Who, other than ivory-tower pseudo-intellectuals, gives a crap what MIT says
we should call it?

The folks who complained that I misspelled "asterisk" had a point, but this
is just goofy.

Are you going to complain that I'm saying "Linux" instead of "GNU/Linux"
next,  and present it as if it were a valid point of argument related to the
subject at hand?



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Re: Linux Bigot.

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Bradley, Greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Redhat_Post' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: Linux Bigot.



>All the commercial operating system providers now charge a fee for
>support. Even then, you tend to spend hours waiting to get through. When
>you do get through, they hand feed you one possible solution at a time
>(each call generates more income).

This isn't true.  Most support (unless you call the 900 number, and that's
IMHO a bad idea) is per-incident, so extra calls COST Microsoft money.

Yes, it's true that they'll feed you solutions one at a time; but the call
isn't complete until one of them works.

About the only time I could see calling the 900 number is if you're looking
for a specific answer to a specific question, but 9 out of 10 of the trained
monkeys on the phone can't or won't give you that kind of answer, and the
other one is reading it from a search of the knowledge base, which is on the
web anyway.


Other than that, nice letter.



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Re: Have any list members seen this.........

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Robert Hailman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Have any list members seen this.


>Ir has nothing to do with the Computer dealers... they don't want be forced
>to stop selling Win95, because MOST people want it on their computer
>(supposedly), and to not sell it or to give a refund would be in breach of
>contract. We really need to take this to Micro$hit.


This problem breaks down into multiple parts.

1) Microsoft requiring manufacturers to place Windows on each PC, and charge
for it whether it's there or not.

I doubt this is still really happening.  It specifically violates the
consent decree, and Microsoft isn't stupid enough to still be doing it.  I
suspect that the salespeople are simply incorrect, or were trained back when
Microsoft did indeed have such contracts.

I'm a Microsoft OEM (it's not hard to get this certification, all you have
to do is sign a contract and they're pretty much always approved, I've never
heard of anybody being rejected) and I was never placed under any such
condition, nor was the VAR/OEM I used to work for.

2) Manufacturers not wanting to complicate their lives by offering multiple
configurations.

While we may not agree with this, it's certainly understandable.  It's
actually extra effort for them to offer the PC in a different configuration,
even if that configuration is "naked".  Somebody has to keep track of how
the drive is formatted.  It shouldn't be confused with action on Microsoft's
part, however.

3) Lack of education on the part of the salespeople.  I note that one person
quoted in the article (the Comp USA rep) proclaimed that this was "the
standard for computers at any other company".  This, of course, is not
correct; it's the standard for computers at the vast majority of large OEMs,
but it's by no means the standard everywhere.  Smaller OEMs will often work
with a customer no matter how small the business, and there are always going
to be companies such as Indelible Blue and Linux Hardware Solutions (god
bless you, LHS) that build their core business around "alternative" OSes.
Lots of VARs build their business around a particular alternative OS,
although you'll find that generally if they decide to become an OEM the
first thing they'll do is pick up a Microsoft license.

It is a plain fact, however, that the majority of folks who buy a single
computer for home use want Windows 95 (or 98, now.)  This isn't an opinion,
it's demonstrable by sales.

If you gave them Linux as it exists now, they'd be on the phone within
minutes wondering what's wrong with their computer.

Yes, it'd be great to change that.  Yes, I'd like to participate in changing
it.  But no, it's not useful to pretend things are different than they are.


And accusing Microsoft of still engaging in the practices mentioned isn't
useful unless they really are doing it.  Does anybody have an example of an
OEM that's lost their Microsoft license for selling machines without Windows
in the last 4 years?




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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: M. Neidorff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>What keeps people interested in and using the Internet is e-mail.  E-mail
>mimics letter writing.  It is plain text.  There is no need for inline
>images, different sized fonts and font attributes like bold, etc.  Sure, in
>a letter you can press harder on the pen/pencil, you can even switch to
>colored pens/pencils, the point is that people don't do this in normal
>letter writing.  On the rare occasion when we need to, we do have the all
>caps, etc.


I don't know where you've been, but here in the computer world we write our
letters in a word processor.

A word processor won't sell worth a flip unless it supports bold, italics,
underlining, etc.

True, most people don't use computers; but I submit that the people who
aren't using computers don't figure into the capabilities of email.


>e-mail when they feel the need to.  They do it by typing the  tags
> directly into the e-mail and letting the person
>

Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Steve Frampton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>Lowest common denominator.  X-Windows doesn't work very well on a 386 SX
>with 2 Mb of RAM now, does it.  Yet Linux in console mode works fairly
>adequately.  It may be the only thing a user in Indonesia has to play
>with.


But a text-based email program can easily be coded to deal with rich text in
a logical manner.

Whether that means using brightness, reverse text, and possibly built-in
underlining support, or perhaps just stripping the tags, it's not difficult
programming.

And that 386SX with 2Mb of RAM supports not only these features, but color
as well.

I used to read my email (Fidonet, not Internet, I was using Pine for
Internet email in those days) on a 386SX with 4Mb of RAM.  My email client
supported colored text, as well as other gadgets and gizmos of text, using a
standard (ANSI).  However, the lack of a kludge like MIME's ability to
include an unformatted main-body version of the message made this text
annoying to a lot of people.  The fight is pretty much over, however,
because all the email readers eventually came to support ANSI controls.
It's not as useful as HTML, however, because it was designed for a world
where there wasn't "bold" or "italic" as such.

This exact same fight was fought long ago when people started using
lowercase letters in their email on the BBSes.  A vocal minority bitched
about it because uppercase-only was the "lowest common denominator".
Fortunately, the Internet never had to go through that fight.  It was
bloody.  The most fun part about it was the fact that some of the people
bitching about the use of lowercase were responding to messages written in
lowercase.

Just like many of the people bitching about HTML now are responding to
messages written in HTML.


So go ahead and gripe all you like, folks; but please send my copies to
/dev/null.  And feel free to do the same with any messages that have HTML
tags in them; I have no emotional investment in having you read them.  If
you don't think you'll benefit from them, that's your opinion and you're
welcome to it.

Meanwhile, I'll read them, because I can.  I'll get more information than
you do.  Whether it's useful information or not is something you'll never
know, because you aren't reading them.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Fred Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>don't NEED any of that stuff. MIME already defines a way to send and
>interpret similar encodings using what is called "enriched/text". The
>'mutt' mailer properly flags it as a mime-type document and interprets
>it as such when reading the document. Any other mail tool that correctly
>implements all the mime types should also do so. enriched/text supports
>colors, bold, dim, underline, etc., so what more do you need for e-mail?


Which is more broadly supported?  Which has more emailers in place using it?

Which uses an existing standard for more than one purpose, instead of two
conflicting standards?


There are a heck of a lot more people using Eudora, Netscape, and Microsoft
products than there are using mutt.

I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing, but it is a thing.  :-)



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Re: Raid ( new topic )

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: James Michael Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: redhat-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 12:30 AM
Subject: Raid ( new topic  )


>( ok nuff said, there has to be a faq or howto floating around - this
>can't be a new thing http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists
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Problems with X-Windows

[Shawn O'Reilly]

Hey, I'm using Redhat 5.1 and my Xwindows will not load properly, the first
stumble was my refresh rate was too high, I fixed that, then my mouse
wouldn't work (Operation not supported by device), fixed that, NOW my
Xwindows loads as far as a background and the mouse, I can move the mouse
around, but there is nothing to click on and nothing I can do with the
keyboard, I am relatively new to Linux so if anyone can help, it'll be
greatly appreciated!...

Shawn O'Reilly,
Linux Beginner!


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RE: IDE Zip no workie

[Shawn O'Reilly]

Alot of EIDE drives have issues with being slaved to a EIDE cdrom, I'd
recommend trying the zip as master (even if linux recognizes it, it doesn't
mean it can access it properly!)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan
> Cornilescu
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 1998 12:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: IDE Zip no workie
>
>
> Vidiot wrote:
> >
> > I first looked at the Zip HOWTO, but it is too old and knows
> nothing about
> > the IDE ZIP drive.  I have it in the hdd position, as a slave
> of hdc, a CD-ROM
> > drive.
> >
> > At boot time, the kernel sees and lists the drive, but I cannot
> mount anything.
> > I thought I kept a message about said drive, but guess not.
>
> $ dmesg | grep IOMEGA
> hdd: IOMEGA ZIP 100, 96MB w/16kB Cache, CHS=512/12/32
> :)
> >
> > I'd appreciate any clues as to what to do to get this drive to
> mount Zip disks.
> > If it takes a kernel recompile, so be it, as I'm all set to do
> that (having
> > done it already), putting in any config changes that are necessary.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> Didn't play with it, but...
> How are you trying to mount it?
> Do you have a /dev/hdd entry in /etc/fstab?
> Does the mount point exist?
> Is a msdos or ext2 disk you're trying to mount?
> Is the disk formatted? (For ext2, I guess you need to mke2fs
> it...)
>
> I *think* it should act just like any harddrive.
> Is the drive detected in your cmos?
>
> dan
>
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Idea to replace MetroX in Red Hat

[Shawn McMahon]

I know you guys are always looking to make deals for including useful
commercial apps, but I think there's a useful idea you're overlooking:

OSS/Linux.

Improved sound board support in the base package would go a long way towards
encouraging folks to part with that $49.


I mean, why save $20 by buying from CheapBytes or Walnut Creek, if you're
gonna have to spend that to register OSS?  Might as well shell out the extra
$$ and pick up BRU too.

Stay away from time-limited or crippled demos, give us stuff we can use.


Oh; and don't make "exclusive" deals.  If Caldera or SuSe can make the same
deal, that helps Linux, and that helps your sales more than having an
exclusive program.  But you knew that.



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Re: Best Upgrade (smp or ram)

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Chris Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 9:52 PM
Subject: Best Upgrade (smp or ram)


>play quakeworld). I have enough money to either add a 2nd cpu or another
>64mb's of ram (not enough to go scsi, and I have a mill II video card so
>it's plenty speedy). So, my question is , do ya'll think adding the
>64mb of ram or the 2nd cpu would be more beneficial?

These aren't the only two valid choices, and I don't think you should pick
either without considering some other alternatives.

Why not a faster CPU instead of a second one?  Your mix of applications
would probably see more of a speedup from this.

Why not save a little longer and go SCSI when you can afford it?

Do you have a good tape backup drive?  Is it big enough for your entire
system, or do you swap tapes?

There are so many things you can do to a system to improve it, and I'm not
just talking about speed.


That being said, since you just asked for a choice between these two and
Accelerated X, I'll answer the asked question:

It doesn't sound like a second CPU is going to do much for you, and I doubt
you'll see much improvement with Accel-X.  More RAM is almost always useful,
however, and everything that's not a 100Mhz SDRAM DIMM is pretty cheap right
now.

But I think that putting in a 233Mhz MMX chip might show you some visible
improvements.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: GateKeepeR News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chris Fishwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>3 hours to get their email..Take us back to the beginning of the
>internet when everyone was using lynx and pine through a dial-up shell
>account..


And there was hardly any information available, and nobody had an economic
incentive to make the pipes wider and more robust, and the resources to
allow a project like Linux to potentially thrive to the point of widespread
hardware support just plain didn't exist, and etc.

Hey, I have an idea; let's skip this Internet crap entirely.  We'll all
start Fidonet BBSes and dial in direct again!

And what's up with this lowercase stuff; do we really need two of each
letter of the alphabet?  Think how much it would mean for the world economy
if we weren't wasting time hitting shift keys.


I was one of those people using the Internet with lynx and pine through a
dial-up shell account.  I think GUI interfaces are a hell of an improvement.
And I like the fact that the Internet is now easy enough to use that I can
email my relatives.  I get to talk to them more often, but with less time
spent on the damn telephone.  That thing hurts my ear after a while.

I'll tell you something else; when I was using the web via lynx through a
dial-up shell account, I was dialing long distance for it.  Email too, the
Internet wasn't widespread enough for the local BBSes to gateway to it yet.

I'm damn glad that the Internet got easy enough to use for the average Joe
that it became economically feasible for local ISPs to come to this rural
community of 16,000 people.  I'm willing to trade the occasional tiny font
size or weird color for the extra $100 to $200 I have every month that I'm
not spending on long distance charges.

I'm glad that enough people use the Internet that it's economically feasible
for Amazon.com to give a big discount on books, which they can do because of
the reduced overhead of web-based ordering.  They couldn't do this, however,
without enough people using the Internet, and they wouldn't have that
without graphical web browsers and PPP setup via a friendly GUI.

I'm glad enough people use the Internet that I can check available stock on
Insight's web page, then bop out in a seperate window to check out
manufacturer's web sites to compare the products that are in stock.

I'm glad I can do a search for a file now without screwing with Archie's
occult incantations, and that I have a hell of a lot more information
available when I find those files.

I'm glad that my applications are starting to have Internet-based checks for
updates and bugfixes, and I recognize that this wouldn't even be discussed,
much less implemented, if the manufacturers didn't realize that damn near
everyone who uses the programs will have an Internet account.


Luddism is awful damn strange when it comes from a fellow propellerhead.



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Re: MIME as msg: was 5.1 Security Hole

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: KHOO Guan Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 11:13 PM
Subject: MIME as msg: was 5.1 Security Hole


>Yeah, I also wonder why people insist on using M$ in a list with so many
>anti-M$ postings.


I wonder why there have to be any anti Microsoft postings.  It doesn't help
us technically or politically.  It probably hurts us.

When I see a long anti-Microsoft paragraph in a Linux discussion forum,
whether that's a mailing list, a newsgroup, or a magazine article, the first
thing I wonder is how much Microsoft would have had to pay to do that much
damage to Linux.

When you do that, you alienate potential Linux users (and those who think
only propellerheads should use Linux are the reason why so few hardware
manufacturers give a crap about support for it) and give credence to the
folks who claim we're a bunch of anti-Microsoft activists who'd use any OS,
no matter how crappy, as long as it didn't come from Redmond.


I don't know about you, but if Linux didn't do a better job than NT for my
router/server at home, I just plain wouldn't use it there.  If that makes me
a traitor to the cause, then so be it.  If OS/2 did everything I needed it
to I'd have never switched, and if NT was cutting the mustard it'd still be
on that box.



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Re: HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Chris Fishwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: HTML-formatted mail


>Hmm.. I'd have to disagree here...  In my opinion, HTML should *never*
>have been integrated with email.  Email should always have been a text
>only medium rather than all this colour and font crap that people are
>putting in with it...


And yet, you used asterixes as the usual crude workaround to the lack of
support for bold or italic text in straight ASCII.

The purpose of email is to communicate information.  When we speak, we use
various degrees of emphasis.  It's helpful in most cases to be able to
convey this in email, and it's crucial in some cases.

Without some form of markup language, we have to resort to crude workarounds
such as asterixes, all-caps, and the extremely ugly "stick an underbar
before and after".

Unfortunately, you'll find that people misinterpret these.  I have a
coworker who actually feels like he's being yelled at if I use all-caps to
emphasize a word, but I could send the exact same email with the word bolded
and he'll interpret it correctly.  Yes, he's a jerk, but when I email him
I'm more concerned with communicating than with making some point about
formatting.

A tremendous number of people agree that there should be some kind of markup
language established as a standard for email.  Every commercial email
package supports one or more markup methods.

If we're going to have a markup language establish itself as an email
feature, it'd be very helpful if it was a markup language that was in wide
use in other Internet-related places.

I think you'll agree that there is no markup language that is more
associated with the Internet than HTML.

HTML is a standard markup language.  It's easy to implement support for it.
HTML interpretation code exists for every platform that connects to the
Internet.  Even Microsoft and Netscape agree on HTML as a good compromise
markup language for email.


It really comes down to this:

You're either in favor of HTML markup in email, or you're not in favor of
email being a very rich method of communication compared to speech.

I don't think we should tolerate email remaining in it's outmoded old form
when there's such an easy way to increase it's utility for communication.


Sure, there will be idiots who insist on using colors and tiny font sizes,
but it's trivial to ignore them and they'll grow out of it.

Being opposed to HTML in email is a lot like being opposed to X-Windows.



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Re: 5.1 Security Hole

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chris Newbill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: 5.1 Security Hole


>clients do not easily support this ridiculous format.  Yes, calling it
>"5.1 security hole" is a good way to make people read your message.

I don't agree.  Speaking only for myself, I'll read such a message, and then
when I see the subject line was a deliberate deception I'll delete the
message.

I at least skim all messages usually, but I won't answer one that made a
deliberate attempt to deceive people.



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HTML-formatted mail

[Shawn McMahon]

Microsoft Outlook Express, and most other email programs that allow HTML
formatting, put the plain-ASCII text in the main body, and attach the
HTML-formatted version as a MIME attachment.

If your text-based email program isn't dealing with this properly, it's a
bug in your program or in your configuration.

If my email program was refusing to show me the main body of a message, and
instead insisting on showing me one of the attachments, I'd be grousing at
the author of the program, not the author of the email.



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Re: 5.1 Security Hole

[Shawn McMahon]

Ask your teacher to tell you the story of the boy who cried "wolf".



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What's so great about Linux.

[Shawn McMahon]

Mr. Dodge, thank you for taking the time to bring up the subject of Linux;
and what's more important, to admit that you don't know everything about it,
instead of just condemning it on the "if I don't know it, I must not need
it" principle.

What's so great about Linux?  Well, quite a number of things, actually.

I'm sure that as a journalist who works with computers all day every day,
you want your computer to perform well.  As a number of benchmarks available
freely on the web will show, Linux is among the best operating systems in
terms of wringing the most performance out of your hardware.  In fact, it
surpasses the commercial Unixes in many areas, when compared on an
apples-to-apples basis with similar hardware.  It leaves Microsoft's
offerings far behind in this area.  There are many anecdotal stories of old
DOS applications that perform better under Linux's DOS emulator on the same
machine.

Furthermore, I assume that you want your computer to be as free of bugs as
is humanly possible, and to have any bugs that are found corrected quickly.
Linux excels in these areas, as well, mostly due to it's "open-source"
nature.  Simply put, Linux bugs are looked for by thousands of programmers
all over the world, who not only have real-world applications that have to
perform, but also have full access to the source code.  This is something
that Microsoft operating systems can't possibly match.  Microsoft couldn't
hire enough programmers to make a team this large, even if they gave up on
all other projects permanently.

Linux can perform extremely heavy jobs on less machine than just about any
other operating system.  In many cases, it does this with freely-available,
open-source software, which means that not only does the hardware cost less,
but the software is free.  You have the source code to that software as
well, so it's subject to the same scrutiny.

At this point, you may be thinking "what good does source code do anyone
except propeller-heads who think 100,000 lines of C++ code is light
reading?"  The answer is simple; you may not be the one who looks for and
finds the bug in the code, but your bug still gets fixed if the
propeller-head down the block finds it.  Or if some Ph.D. candidate at MIT
finds it.  Or if a team of programmers at Digital Domain finds it, as
happened with an extremely obscure floating point math bug in the DEC Alpha
port some months back.

If Microsoft, with her considerable but not comparable resources, finds a
bug, it generally gets fixed within weeks, and makes it's way into a hotfix
or a Service Pack months later.  Sometimes it doesn't get properly fixed in
the next Service Pack, and it's many months until the next one comes out
that it gets fixed.  A good recent example is the "shortcuts point to UNC
names, not local paths" bug, which was supposed to be fixed in Service Pack
3 but wasn't.  This bug is still in place, and the kludges proposed by
Microsoft technical support can break other software, including Internet
Explorer 4.

If Joe Propellerhead in Outer Slobovia finds a bug in Linux, a patch is
usually out within days.  Sometimes within hours.  It finds it's way into
the commercial distributions (such as Red Hat and Caldera) within days or
weeks, not months.

If the patch turns out to have a problem, a new patch makes it out in days.

By the time Microsoft gets around to having a couple of dozen testers pour
over a fix, a Linux patch has had thousands or millions of people test it.


If it so happens that you have a problem, and the IS staff at Ziff Davis
can't fix it right away, you want to be able to get support.  It's tempting
to conclude that Linux would fail in this, due to the decentralized nature
of it's distribution, but this simply isn't true.  Numerous commercial
vendors provide Linux support via any mechanism you can think of, including
telephone.  In fact, at least one of these support companies is used by
companies as large and technically-inclined as IBM and Lotus.

More importantly, however, is the tremendous level of support provided by a
huge active worldwide community of users, administrators, and enthusiasts.

As the administrator of a large network of machines running Microsoft, IBM,
and Sun operating systems, I have to deal with every avenue of support
imaginable, and I've found that no operating system has better support on
the Internet than Linux.  That's why one of your competitor magazines
(InfoWorld, and you're welcome to edit that out if you publish any part of
this) awarded the Linux user community with the "Best Technical Support
Award".  Linux has received this kind of recognition many times in it's
history.

It's tempting to dismiss Linux as a newcomer, but before you do keep in mind
that Linux is one year older than Windows NT, and that it's estimated
installed user base is doubling every year, and has been doing so steadily.

It's hard to come up with good numbers to compare.  After all, you can just
ask Dataquest how many copies of NT

Re: Root through telnet (Redhat read this!)

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: RedHat List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Root through telnet (Redhat read this!)


> i have RedHat 5.1 with shadow 971001 and su suports a wheel
>group..


Excellent!  Glad to see RedHat's on the ball!

I'll have to check my 5.0 system at home a little closer.  Or reboot this
laptop into 5.0, but my boss frowns on that during the workday...



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One more idea about responses

[Shawn McMahon]

After reading some of the letters posted gleefully by list readers, I've
come up with another suggestion for those of you planning to write responses
to journalists who don't understand Linux:


Before you send the letter, let your Mom/Girlfriend/Boyfriend/Teacher read
it.

That's BEFORE you send it; as in, don't send it until after that other
person gives you some feedback.

Mention to them that you were trying to convince someone that Linux was
good, not that Linux enthusiasts were a bunch of wild-eyed nuts.

Mention to them that you were hoping the letter would result in the
journalist deciding to learn more about Linux, instead of resulting in him
thanking whatever deity he holds dear that we're interested in computers
instead of guns.  (My apologies to those of you who, like me, are interested
in both.)


Because one or two of them are likely to have the opposite effect.  And that
doesn't just not help; it hurts.



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Re: partition problem - DUH!

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Graham Knopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: partition problem - DUH!


>no other unusual occurrences.  So I am left with an unanswered question.
>
>Why did the partition table get erased?


I understand your frustration.

You are correct that it's within the realm of possibility that a hacker
could have done this, and it would certainly behoove you to take steps to
make sure that isn't what indeed occured.

However, you should be prepared for the possibility that it simply erased
itself.  Sometimes data drops out on drives.  Sometimes power surges while
the head is over something crucial.

By all means, check your crucial system files and make sure they haven't
been compromised.  Restore "ls" from the cd first, since it could be
modified to make files appear the right length when they aren't.

But don't get frustrated if you spend a lot of time looking for a hacker and
don't find one, unless you come across indications of a hacker along the
way.



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How to respond to anti-Linux journalists

[Shawn McMahon]

You should keep in mind some of Dale Carnegie's principles.  (Say what you
like about the man, but he knew people and he knew how to convince them of
things.)


Don't tell them they're wrong.  This just makes them defensive.  Call
attention to their mistakes indirectly.

Get them agreeing with you immediately.  Your very first sentence should
either say something they'll agree with, or be neutral.  ("I read with great
interest your article about 'What's so hot about Linux'.")

Give honest, sincere appreciation.  ("Thank you for writing about Linux, and
for asking about it.  Many journalists would not be willing to admit they
didn't know everything about a subject, and would refuse to mention it at
all.")

Show him (don't tell him, DEMONSTRATE it, he won't take your word for it)
how it's in his best interest to see Linux succeed.  For technical reasons,
not political ones.

Mr. Carnegie used to say that "unless the mantle of Mark Twain has descended
upon your head, don't try to use humor".  I apply that to this situation
similarly:

Unless the mantle of Eric S. Raymond has descended upon your head, don't try
to explain the political reasons behind supporting Linux.  Folks who do that
a hell of a lot better than you or I could will do so.  Trust them.

Write about what you know.  That is the only way to deliver an effective
speech or an effective letter, and what you know is this:

Why you as an individual use Linux.  You're the world's foremost expert on
that subject.  So write about that, and you'll be as effective as you
possibly can be.

You're not trying to browbeat him into using it, and you're hopefully not
trying to browbeat him into NOT using it.  You're trying to show him, as
cogently as you can, why Linux works for you.

If you can contrast this with why Windows 95 doesn't work for you, that's
fine; but only if you have specific, concrete examples.  "Because it crashes
all the time" is worse than useless.  Remember that he'll be reading your
message on a Windows 95 system that's maintained by a knowledgeable IS
staff, and probably doesn't crash all that often.

If you can, find excuses to throw his name into sentences.  "A person's name
is the sweetest sound in the world to that person."  Don't go overboard,
though; if every paragraph starts with "John, " it'll become a joke instead
of a compliment.

Finally, even if you thought his article totally sucked and you think he's a
complete idiot who would benefit from a nice killing, tell him you enjoyed
his article and that you look forward to reading more such articles in the
future.



Last but not least, if you see me violating any of these principles, don't
assume it's because they don't work.  It's actually because I have a
tremendous amount of room to grow as a person, and quite often fail to do
what's right.  These principles work.



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Re: Linux Bigot??

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Robert Hailman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Linux Bigot??


>Bere are some quotes from the angry mail I sent the author of that article:
>"You write from the point of view of someone who obviously thinks that an
>operating system should be drag and drop and [you obviously] never
>considered using the command prompt. Also, you never bothered to install
>Linux, this makes your point of view invalid ... You are not the kind of
>person who would use Linux, you are not the kind of person who should use
>Linux, and you are not the kind of person who COULD use Linux. Not a
suprise
>from someone who writes in the same issue that you like Windows 98."


What do you think this will accomplish to further Linux, and to further
computing in general?

At best, you'll convince this guy of these things:

1) Linux is hard to use.

2) People who do know how to use it are obnoxious and hateful.

3) Therefore, nobody should try to use Linux, because it'll be hard and they
won't be able to get any help from obnoxious, hateful users.


I think that a better approach might be to sit down and write up a
considered, rational letter explaining why you think Linux is a big deal,
and why you use it.

Technical reasons, not "because Microsoft is bad".  You shouldn't even
MENTION the political reasons, not even in passing or in a signature file.
The instant you do that, you'll lose him as a reader and discredit your
entire message.  If you're going to do that, might as well not send it.

If you can explain in layman's terms why you use Linux, then you should send
it to him.  If you can't, you should reexamine why you're using Linux.  The
best screwdriver in the world is still a lousy hammer.



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Re: Linux Bigot??

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Linux Bigot??


>This guy is an idiot.


That's not useful at all.

He's uninformed about Linux, but so are over 5 billion people in the world.

Only half of them are idiots.

Instead of calling him an idiot, why don't you see if you can sum up, in a
maximum of a couple of hundred cogent words, why Linux is so great?

If you can, send it to him; if you can't, then leave him alone because if
you can't do it with your Linux experience, how the hell can you expect him
to?



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Re: cool uptime :)

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: cool uptime :)


>One of the things that I always wonder about these enormous uptimes in the
>modern era is how they contend with the variety of networking bugs that
>have been discovered in the modern era.  Such an old system should be
>vulnerable to everything from teardrop on up plus an assortment of minor
>filesystem problems.  So why is it still alive?


A firewall helps.

And since you can patch damn near everything except the kernel itself
without rebooting, if you only fix the things that are causing you a problem
you can stay up forever.



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Re: Sendmail aliases

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Mike A. Lewis, CNE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 4:13 AM
Subject: Sendmail aliases


>Is there a way to automatically create an entry in /etc/aliases for
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]   whereby when a user
>is added to the system, the entry in /etc/aliases is automatically
>updated daily ?


First, copy this into a shell script called "createlist":

#!/bin/sh
awk -F: '{ print $1 }' /etc/passwd | grep -v P | grep -vxFf
/usr/local/bin/exclude | sort >/etc/allusers


Sorry for the broken line, those last two lines should be one line in your
script.

The "grep -v P" is probably not necessary on your location, it eliminates
accounts with a capital "P" in the userid from the list.
/usr/local/bin/exclude should contain the names of accounts you want
excluded from the list, one per line.  Any account in /etc/passwd that you
don't want mail going to needs to be in this file.

Then, you add this to /etc/aliases:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:   :include:/etc/allusers



Run newaliases after you add this.  Set up a cron job to run createlist
every day.

Run createlist manually any time you add a new account and want it to
receive mail immediately, or any time you delete an account and want it to
stop receiving mail immediately.

Any mail sent to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" will automagically go to
everybody in /etc/allusers.

If you don't want your users to know the magic alias, then send the messages
to yourself, and bcc: them to the alias.

It is case-sensitive, so if you want to avoid the possibility of people
"trolling" for it, make it eVeRyOnE or something like that, or even better
make it something like "djlfseiroosiofioei".  :-)

It won't do you much good, since I think /etc/aliases has to be
world-readable, but it'll keep outside folks from figuring it out.



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Re: Root through telnet (Redhat read this!)

[Shawn McMahon]

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Gorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 11:41 PM
Subject: Root through telnet


>I'm going away on vacation, and I want to be able to configure my system
>from away.  How do I enable the root account to be accessable through
>telnet?  I know I can su, but that doesn't give me access to all the
>commands I need (such as useradd).


If it's not giving you access to commands, it's a path problem, easily
solved.

>Also, if I do this, is it going to pose a serious security problem?  My
>system has no sensitive data, it's just a personal PC, but I would like to
>know if it's open to the world or not if I enable remote root access.


Open to the world, for two reasons:

1) Telnet is not an encrypted protocol.  Anybody connected to any network
you go through on your way to your system can sniff the contents of your
session, including your password.  Blammo, you just gave the root password
away.  Note that using su doesn't solve this problem, either; just makes it
take a few more seconds.

2) You've now made it easy to brute-force hack your root account directly,
instead of having to hack a user account first and THEN root.  Effectively,
you've cut the time for a brute-force attack in half, assuming they don't
exploit another vulnerability.


If you're planning to access your system from the Internet in any account
that has any privileges at all, you want to use ssh.

Unfortunately, since the Linux tools don't support a wheel group, you can
hack root from any account on the system, instead of being able to restrict
your vulnerability to certain accounts.

I love this one from the "su" man page:

"This  program  does  not  support  a  "wheel  group"  that
   restricts  who can su to super-user accounts, because that
   can help fascist system  administrators  hold  unwarranted
   power over other users."

Totally inappropriate for an operating system that is going to be used in
production environments.  This wording should remain only if this version of
su is only going to be used by hobbiests to play with.

The wording, and the problem, should be removed from distributions targetted
at businesses, such as RedHat and Caldera.

If you want to have that wording, let's let it say what it really means:

"This program does not support a "wheel group" that restricts who can su to
super-user accounts, because that can help the owner of a system keep
control of his property away from my 3l33t3 haquer budz, d00d."



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