Re: GoodSAMC
On Tue, 1 May 2001 08:26:20 +0200, "Robert van der Veeke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Nev Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Datum: dinsdag 1 mei 2001 8:00 > Onderwerp: Re: GoodSAMC > > >He still terrorises alt.rec.cats and uk.legal and a few other > >newsfroups. > > > You DO abuse your cats, you keep cats indoors all the time. I don't have any cats ! > > Fun reading i must say, and it looks like he is on right side this time. amazing !! -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
Re: GoodSAMC
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nev Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Datum: dinsdag 1 mei 2001 8:00 Onderwerp: Re: GoodSAMC >He still terrorises alt.rec.cats and uk.legal and a few other >newsfroups. You DO abuse your cats, you keep cats indoors all the time. Fun reading i must say, and it looks like he is on right side this time. Robert van der Veeke aka RJVgraphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently: Listening to Crouching Tiger - Hidden Dragon OST Many people in the world (maybe even 100 or more) don't even know who I am - David Lees sharing his place alongside Bob Brenchley & Rocketshite -
Re: GoodSAMC
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:43:49 +0100, Paul Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 09:13:35PM +0100, Nev Young wrote: > > > AFAIK Format died a death last century > > It's been over a year since I last thought of SAM stuff, from memory. :) > > > Bob is still alive and ripping people off erm I mean providing a valuable > > service to the PC community. > > I'm strangely unsurprised... any idea where I can find him, a web-page or > something? Not that I have any interest in buying stuff, I just want to see > what he's up to now. But not to the extent of emailing him. I'm not aware of any web sites aprt from one he did for his granddaughter but I forgot the url :-) He still terrorises alt.rec.cats and uk.legal and a few other newsfroups. -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
Re: GoodSAMC
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 09:13:35PM +0100, Nev Young wrote: > AFAIK Format died a death last century It's been over a year since I last thought of SAM stuff, from memory. :) > Bob is still alive and ripping people off erm I mean providing a valuable > service to the PC community. I'm strangely unsurprised... any idea where I can find him, a web-page or something? Not that I have any interest in buying stuff, I just want to see what he's up to now. But not to the extent of emailing him. -- Paul "... the police should turn on them with water cannons!" "You want to turn me into a border collie? ... I must have misheard that?" -- someone, Sofi, at Netizen
Re: GoodSAMC
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:56:29 +0100, "David Ledbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And what happened to the Sam clocks > Sh. But just between me and you, they didn't work. You had to set the time every time you turned the SAM on cos the battery couldn't do the job. -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
Re: GoodSAMC
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:31:55 +0100, Paul Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:02:07AM +0200, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > No he only had the rights to distribute them, that is something completely > > different from holding the copyright. But Bob being Bob tried to explain in > > such a way that it looks like he rights where just as important as those of > > Andy Wright, wich was clearly not the case. > > What happened with Bob in the end, anyway? Anyone know? Format still going, > or did it die a death? AFAIK Format died a death last century Bob is still alive and ripping people off erm I mean providing a valuable service to the PC community. -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
Re: GoodSAMC
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:09:37 +0100, "David Ledbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What? You mean he actually *did* have some copyrights???!! No, I mean he actually claimed to have :-) -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
Re: GoodSAMC
- Original Message - From: "Paul Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: GoodSAMC > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:56:29PM +0100, David Ledbury wrote: > > > And what happened to the Sam clocks > > Good grief, I'd forgotten all about those. People still haven't received > them? Well put it like this... even *i* could have had two issues of Blitz put together in the time it's taken... and that's saying something! :) Hmmm ... wonder if people have had their refunds for the clocks yet?
Re: GoodSAMC
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:56:29PM +0100, David Ledbury wrote: > And what happened to the Sam clocks Good grief, I'd forgotten all about those. People still haven't received them? -- Paul Some of us don't have cable. Me, for instance. I don't have it because I'm afraid that if I did, I'd watch it. -- Eric the Read, a.s.r.
Re: GoodSAMC
- Original Message - From: "Paul Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: Re: GoodSAMC > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:02:07AM +0200, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > No he only had the rights to distribute them, that is something completely > > different from holding the copyright. But Bob being Bob tried to explain in > > such a way that it looks like he rights where just as important as those of > > Andy Wright, wich was clearly not the case. > > What happened with Bob in the end, anyway? Anyone know? Format still going, > or did it die a death? And what happened to the Sam clocks
Re: GoodSAMC
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:02:07AM +0200, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > No he only had the rights to distribute them, that is something completely > different from holding the copyright. But Bob being Bob tried to explain in > such a way that it looks like he rights where just as important as those of > Andy Wright, wich was clearly not the case. What happened with Bob in the end, anyway? Anyone know? Format still going, or did it die a death? -- Paul "A lady came up to me on the street and pointed at my suede jacket. You know a cow was murdered for that jacket?' she sneered. I replied in a psychotic tone, 'I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too." --Jake Johansen
Re: GoodSAMC
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: David Ledbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Datum: vrijdag 27 april 2001 1:08 Onderwerp: Re: GoodSAMC >What? You mean he actually *did* have some copyrights???!! No he only had the rights to distribute them, that is something completely different from holding the copyright. But Bob being Bob tried to explain in such a way that it looks like he rights where just as important as those of Andy Wright, wich was clearly not the case. Robert van der Veeke aka RJVgraphics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently: Listening to Conan the Destroyer Many people in the world (maybe even 100 or more) don't even know who I am - David Lees sharing his place alongside Bob Brenchley & Rocketshite -
Re: GoodSAMC
What? You mean he actually *did* have some copyrights???!! - Original Message - From: "Nev Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: Re: GoodSAMC > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:44:21 +0100, Luke Trevorrow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have a dark and distant memory of Andy posting on the list that the SAM > > ROMs are PD. This was so that they could be distributed with SimCoupe. > > > > Luke > > > I have an archive that says = > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. > From: BrenchleyR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:22:58 EDT > > In a message dated 22/05/98 11:03:40, you write: > > >is there any sam technical information that has been released into > >the public domain (eg, by Bruce Gordon, Andy Wright, etc) - maybe the > >ROM source code. > > > >If the source code is pd, then (presumably) the labels used in it > >(for entry points and system variables) also enter the public > >domain. > > No, it is not PD. Rights to the source code are split between Andy > Wright and West Coast. Andy is the copyright holder but West Coast > have the rights (aquired via me from SAMCO) to duplicate the ROM. > > Added to this, when Andy had to concentrate on other work about three > years ago I agreeded to handle his SAM related interests for him. > > -- > Bob. > > == > > AFAIK West Coast has now gone bye bye so I would think the sole rights > to the ROMS now lie with Andy. (Although I still have all the > equipment and sources to burn them [somewhere]) > > I wonder what the good doctor is doing these days ? > > hth > > -- > Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) > Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk > also hiding on ICQ > >
Re: GoodSAMC
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:44:21 +0100, Luke Trevorrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a dark and distant memory of Andy posting on the list that the SAM > ROMs are PD. This was so that they could be distributed with SimCoupe. > > Luke > I have an archive that says = To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. From: BrenchleyR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:22:58 EDT In a message dated 22/05/98 11:03:40, you write: >is there any sam technical information that has been released into >the public domain (eg, by Bruce Gordon, Andy Wright, etc) - maybe the >ROM source code. > >If the source code is pd, then (presumably) the labels used in it >(for entry points and system variables) also enter the public >domain. No, it is not PD. Rights to the source code are split between Andy Wright and West Coast. Andy is the copyright holder but West Coast have the rights (aquired via me from SAMCO) to duplicate the ROM. Added to this, when Andy had to concentrate on other work about three years ago I agreeded to handle his SAM related interests for him. -- Bob. == AFAIK West Coast has now gone bye bye so I would think the sole rights to the ROMS now lie with Andy. (Although I still have all the equipment and sources to burn them [somewhere]) I wonder what the good doctor is doing these days ? hth -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
Re: GoodSAMC
But I doubt he would have made the PD - only that he'd allow Allan to distribute them with the emulator - if i recall. - Original Message - From: "Allan Skillman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: Re: GoodSAMC > Hi Simon (and all), > > I have the mail from Andy Wright giving permission to distribute the Sam > Rom binary in SimCoupe field away on my PC at home. I will dig it out > and post it to the list. > > BTW Simon, SimCoupe and SDL is a great idea. I'm sure someone here can > port the Windows UI to UNIX, either Qt, GTK or Motif withouyt too much fuss. > It would be nice to run the emulator native again - speaks as someone who > runs SimCoupe via vmware. Of course running a Sam emulator includes a > sound chip emulator running on an emulated PC hardware, including an emulated > Sound Blaster on a real PC is an interesting excersise in itself. > > I just wish I had time to do some coding myself - Children and jobs in the > Microprocessor design industry - who would have them? > > Perhaps one day I will be able to get time to port SimCoupe to Java, which is > a really hot topic in ARM these days. > > Best regards, > > Allan > > On Wednesday 25 April 2001 14:56, you wrote: > > Luke Trevorrow wrote: > > > I have a dark and distant memory of Andy posting on the list > > > that the SAM ROMs are PD. This was so that they could be > > > distributed with SimCoupe. > > > > *forms a circle and joins hands* > > > > Allan? Can you hear us out there? > > > > Si > > -- > +--+---+ > | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | > | EDA Group| elementary particles of magic : up, down, | > | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | > +--+---+ > >
Re: GoodSAMC
Hi Simon (and all), I have the mail from Andy Wright giving permission to distribute the Sam Rom binary in SimCoupe field away on my PC at home. I will dig it out and post it to the list. BTW Simon, SimCoupe and SDL is a great idea. I'm sure someone here can port the Windows UI to UNIX, either Qt, GTK or Motif withouyt too much fuss. It would be nice to run the emulator native again - speaks as someone who runs SimCoupe via vmware. Of course running a Sam emulator includes a sound chip emulator running on an emulated PC hardware, including an emulated Sound Blaster on a real PC is an interesting excersise in itself. I just wish I had time to do some coding myself - Children and jobs in the Microprocessor design industry - who would have them? Perhaps one day I will be able to get time to port SimCoupe to Java, which is a really hot topic in ARM these days. Best regards, Allan On Wednesday 25 April 2001 14:56, you wrote: > Luke Trevorrow wrote: > > I have a dark and distant memory of Andy posting on the list > > that the SAM ROMs are PD. This was so that they could be > > distributed with SimCoupe. > > *forms a circle and joins hands* > > Allan? Can you hear us out there? > > Si -- +--+---+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group| elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +--+---+
Re: GoodSAMC
At 19:51 25/04/01 +0200, you wrote: > I'd be interested to hear what you think of, say, free software, then. (In > the GNU sense.) Or people who both write software for money, and for > free... >off topic< Private email? -- Paul
Re: GoodSAMC
> >Usually people who really can earn money from *it*, don't do *it* for free. > >;-) > > I'd be interested to hear what you think of, say, free software, then. (In > the GNU sense.) Or people who both write software for money, and for free... >off topic<
Re: GoodSAMC
At 18:50 25/04/01 +0200, Aley wrote: Usually people who really can earn money from *it*, don't do *it* for free. ;-) I'd be interested to hear what you think of, say, free software, then. (In the GNU sense.) Or people who both write software for money, and for free... -- Paul
Re: GoodSAMC
> Usually people who really can earn money from *it*, don't do *it* for > free. ;-) Actually, I know my software for Sam, and I know what > cathegory they are. :-( If somebody is going to cathegorize authors by > quality, I will fall into the lowest one, if I upload anything more > than 10% of my progs. I was 11 when I started on Sam, and in the first > year I made lots of crap. God, the amount of crap I made is sure as hell more than anyone. I was 12 when I started :-<
Re: GoodSAMC
> >I see I won't release my programs for Sam, otherwise you will put me in the > >lowest coders quality cathegory. > > Interesting assertion - that PD programs are the lowest quality. Presumably > you also rank people who write software for money as the best coders? Usually people who really can earn money from *it*, don't do *it* for free. ;-) Actually, I know my software for Sam, and I know what cathegory they are. :-( If somebody is going to cathegorize authors by quality, I will fall into the lowest one, if I upload anything more than 10% of my progs. I was 11 when I started on Sam, and in the first year I made lots of crap. Aley
Re: GoodSAMC
At 17:05 25/04/01 +0200, Aley Keprt wrote: I see I won't release my programs for Sam, otherwise you will put me in the lowest coders quality cathegory. Interesting assertion - that PD programs are the lowest quality. Presumably you also rank people who write software for money as the best coders? -- Paul
RE: Aley [Was: Re: GoodSAMC]
SiCoupe? Mmm. ;¬) > -Original Message- > From: Aley Keprt [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 16:04 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Aley [Was: Re: GoodSAMC] > > You should know that Aley is not my real name, it's my nick and I use it > instead of Axoft, what I used in the past > (1988-1993). I use it also instead of my real first name, since my real > name > cannot be written in western latin charset. > (Unlike my surname, which is o.k. in western latin char set.) My real > first > name is Ales. Those of you who have some international support in mail > client can see it, but can you read it? Probably not. > > Now, when you know all this, I hope "Aley's Mod Player" is more acceptable > for you. Other people use pseudonyms too, so I don't understand much, why > you still discuss names of my programs. > > And, of course, SiCoupe is a great name. ;-) > > -- > Bc.Aley [eili] Keprt - games & multimedia programmer > ICQ: 82357182 (evenings) *** phone: +420-68-5387035 (weekends) > private e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** http://get.to/aley > office: Illusion Softworks, Brno, CZ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > !!! Arcade game tournaments since 1992: http://get.to/hcc !!! > > > - Original Message - > From: "Simon Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:32 PM > Subject: RE: GoodSAMC > > > Aley Keprt wrote: > > I don't know what's wrong on having my name at the beginning > > of some programs, jsut to distinguish them from other > > software. Other people or companies do it as well. e.g. Corel > > Draw, Microsoft Windows, Adobe Acrobat, Norton Commander, etc. > > It stands out to me because it's a first name and not a company name - > Axoft Module Player would seem more natural. Bill's Windows 95 doesn't > have quite the same ring to it, does it! (and no, I was never tempted > by SiCoupé ;-D) > > Si >
Re: GoodSAMC
> > I think, that given the enthusiast nature of the sam coupe > > that people should be given full credit by name in the Db > > this wouldnt work for the NES, or Megadrive, but seeming as > > most stuff for sam was PD, this would be best! > > Yep, agreed (I was only talking about the program names before). It > also makes it easy to track down stuff by good coders etc... I see I won't release my programs for Sam, otherwise you will put me in the lowest coders quality cathegory. :-( Aley
Aley [Was: Re: GoodSAMC]
You should know that Aley is not my real name, it's my nick and I use it instead of Axoft, what I used in the past (1988-1993). I use it also instead of my real first name, since my real name cannot be written in western latin charset. (Unlike my surname, which is o.k. in western latin char set.) My real first name is Ales. Those of you who have some international support in mail client can see it, but can you read it? Probably not. Now, when you know all this, I hope "Aley's Mod Player" is more acceptable for you. Other people use pseudonyms too, so I don't understand much, why you still discuss names of my programs. And, of course, SiCoupe is a great name. ;-) -- Bc.Aley [eili] Keprt - games & multimedia programmer ICQ: 82357182 (evenings) *** phone: +420-68-5387035 (weekends) private e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** http://get.to/aley office: Illusion Softworks, Brno, CZ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- !!! Arcade game tournaments since 1992: http://get.to/hcc !!! - Original Message - From: "Simon Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: RE: GoodSAMC Aley Keprt wrote: > I don't know what's wrong on having my name at the beginning > of some programs, jsut to distinguish them from other > software. Other people or companies do it as well. e.g. Corel > Draw, Microsoft Windows, Adobe Acrobat, Norton Commander, etc. It stands out to me because it's a first name and not a company name - Axoft Module Player would seem more natural. Bill's Windows 95 doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it! (and no, I was never tempted by SiCoupé ;-D) Si
RE: GoodSAMC
Dean Woodyatt wrote: > I think, that given the enthusiast nature of the sam coupe > that people should be given full credit by name in the Db > this wouldnt work for the NES, or Megadrive, but seeming as > most stuff for sam was PD, this would be best! Yep, agreed (I was only talking about the program names before). It also makes it easy to track down stuff by good coders etc... Si
RE: GoodSAMC
I think, that given the enthusiast nature of the sam coupe that people should be given full credit by name in the Db this wouldnt work for the NES, or Megadrive, but seeming as most stuff for sam was PD, this would be best! > -Original Message- > From: Simon Owen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 15:33 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: RE: GoodSAMC > > Aley Keprt wrote: > > I don't know what's wrong on having my name at the beginning > > of some programs, jsut to distinguish them from other > > software. Other people or companies do it as well. e.g. Corel > > Draw, Microsoft Windows, Adobe Acrobat, Norton Commander, etc. > > It stands out to me because it's a first name and not a company name - > Axoft Module Player would seem more natural. Bill's Windows 95 doesn't > have quite the same ring to it, does it! (and no, I was never tempted > by SiCoupé ;-D) > > Si
RE: GoodSAMC
Aley Keprt wrote: > I don't know what's wrong on having my name at the beginning > of some programs, jsut to distinguish them from other > software. Other people or companies do it as well. e.g. Corel > Draw, Microsoft Windows, Adobe Acrobat, Norton Commander, etc. It stands out to me because it's a first name and not a company name - Axoft Module Player would seem more natural. Bill's Windows 95 doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it! (and no, I was never tempted by SiCoupé ;-D) Si
RE: GoodSAMC
aley, make up a list of the ones your name should be in I've spoken with cowering before, i'll make sure it gets done! > -Original Message- > From: Aley Keprt [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 15:23 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: GoodSAMC > > > Really? > > It's called "Aley's" instead of "Alternative". I don't know > > who the f. wrote the worng name into the database. > > Heh - they should have known that there are no other 'A' words! ;-) > > !!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]@% > They are other words too. I know at least one: Axoft ;-) > > > I don't know what's wrong on having my name at the beginning of some > programs, jsut to distinguish them from > other software. Other people or companies do it as well. > e.g. Corel Draw, Microsoft Windows, Adobe Acrobat, Norton Commander, etc. > > Aley >
Re: GoodSAMC
> Really? > It's called "Aley's" instead of "Alternative". I don't know > who the f. wrote the worng name into the database. Heh - they should have known that there are no other 'A' words! ;-) !!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]@% They are other words too. I know at least one: Axoft ;-) I don't know what's wrong on having my name at the beginning of some programs, jsut to distinguish them from other software. Other people or companies do it as well. e.g. Corel Draw, Microsoft Windows, Adobe Acrobat, Norton Commander, etc. Aley
RE: GoodSAMC
Luke Trevorrow wrote: > I have a dark and distant memory of Andy posting on the list > that the SAM ROMs are PD. This was so that they could be > distributed with SimCoupe. *forms a circle and joins hands* Allan? Can you hear us out there? Si
RE: GoodSAMC
> I have a dark and distant memory of Andy posting on the list that the > SAM ROMs are PD. This was so that they could be distributed with > SimCoupe. > > Luke Yes. It would be logical. That's good news then! --Matthew.
RE: GoodSAMC
I have a dark and distant memory of Andy posting on the list that the SAM ROMs are PD. This was so that they could be distributed with SimCoupe. Luke -Original Message- From: Matthew J Craven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 02:34 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: GoodSAMC > werent they released as PD? No idea! I *thought* that was just Amstrad (even though they retain copyright). Did Samco, MGT actually do that? > > -Original Message- > > From: Matthew J Craven [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 25 April 2001 14:26 > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Subject:RE: GoodSAMC > > > > > You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum > > > games collection" or "demos collection" images. That's why I wrote > > > it is a nonsense to make database of diskettes. I think we should > > > build a database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam Basic > > > version 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) > > > > Who owns the copyrights to the above roms? > > > > --Matt. ** This e-mail is private and confidential and is for the addressee only. You are prohibited from using, printing, distributing or disseminating it or any information contained in it, save to the intended recipient. **
RE: GoodSAMC
> werent they released as PD? No idea! I *thought* that was just Amstrad (even though they retain copyright). Did Samco, MGT actually do that? > > -Original Message- > > From: Matthew J Craven [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 25 April 2001 14:26 > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Subject:RE: GoodSAMC > > > > > You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum > > > games collection" or "demos collection" images. That's why I wrote > > > it is a nonsense to make database of diskettes. I think we should > > > build a database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam Basic > > > version 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) > > > > Who owns the copyrights to the above roms? > > > > --Matt.
RE: GoodSAMC
Aley Keprt wrote: > Really? > It's called "Aley's" instead of "Alternative". I don't know > who the f. wrote the worng name into the database. Heh - they should have known that there are no other 'A' words! ;-) > And I don't know why it has undersized SAD. Isn't the file > corrupted? My mistake - the image I got was SADv2, so it was just smaller because it was compressed (it's confusing them having the same file extension!). If the program could handle gzipped files it would have just worked when I first tried it. > > - disk format understanding for better equivalence checking > > In other words it must read/unpack each file into memory, and > then test the checksum. It needs a bit more of an abstract comparison than that... DSK and SDF files (say) for 80 track disks are very different internally, so the checksum would need to include the basic disk geometry as well as the data in each sector, and not just the raw data from an uncompressed file. The SimCoupé source uses a CDisk abstraction to treat them all the same - GoodSAMC just needs to do the same for the comparisons. > You never know what is official. It contains tens of > "spectrum games collection" or "demos collection" images. > That's why I wrote it is a nonsense to make database of > diskettes. Some will have come from a particular source, and those could be considered the 'official' versions. So the official MNEMOtech demos should be the ones on Andrew's web-site, etc. Hopefully most disks would be covered by the above, as someone will have had to put the disk together originally. It'll be more difficult if the original source is no longer available, but hopefully there will still be a common version of each. NVG probably has a lot of misc stuff that could be considered official, as many of us download from there... > I think we should build a database of ROMs instead. (real > roms - MGT Sam Basic version 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) That should be a lot more straight-forward to manage, as long as there aren't copyright problems with em. Does anyone have a collection of them already? (aren't there only be half a dozen at most?). Si
RE: GoodSAMC
Dr A Wright (author) / SamCo Recievers / Format Not sure about PD , infact i haven't seen them anywhere -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean Woodyatt Sent: 25 April 2001 14:32 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: RE: GoodSAMC werent they released as PD? > -Original Message- > From: Matthew J Craven [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 14:26 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: RE: GoodSAMC > > > You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum games > > collection" or "demos collection" images. That's why I wrote it is a > > nonsense to make database of diskettes. I think we should build a > > database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam Basic version > > 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) > > Who owns the copyrights to the above roms? > > --Matt.
RE: GoodSAMC
werent they released as PD? > -Original Message- > From: Matthew J Craven [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 14:26 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: RE: GoodSAMC > > > You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum games > > collection" or "demos collection" images. That's why I wrote it is a > > nonsense to make database of diskettes. I think we should build a > > database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam Basic version > > 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) > > Who owns the copyrights to the above roms? > > --Matt.
RE: GoodSAMC
> You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum games > collection" or "demos collection" images. That's why I wrote it is a > nonsense to make database of diskettes. I think we should build a > database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam Basic version > 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) Who owns the copyrights to the above roms? --Matt.
RE: GoodSAMC
I just thought, no-one reads readme files, so they'll be emailing anything left after running goodsam, so its probably to save on inbox space, if everythings renamed just my 2p worth > -Original Message- > From: Dean Woodyatt [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 14:02 > To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' > Subject: RE: GoodSAMC > > they'll get to that, > trouble is, they have to filter out the dross first, > if you look at the other good utils, any confirmed good dumps are marked ! > thats what will probably happen to goodsamc, > i dont know why the author allows "crap" to be listed in the renamed db, > instead of just acknowledging the existance of the crap in the db, and > only > renaming good stuff > - i guess its just easier that way > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Aley Keprt [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 25 April 2001 13:55 > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Subject:Re: GoodSAMC > > > > > > And, finally, it refuses to accept disks with more than 80 tracks > > > (maybe all except 80, but I have only 80, 82 and 84). > > > > > > Must be a non-80-track thing, as it also complained about undersize > SAD > > > images - your 'alternative module player' comes on a small SAD image, > > > and that had to be converted to DSK and then back to 80 track SAD for > it > > > to be recognised! > > > > Really? > > It's called "Aley's" instead of "Alternative". I don't know who the f. > > wrote > > the worng name into the database. > > And I don't know why it has undersized SAD. Isn't the file corrupted? > > (just > > a question) > > > > > > > > As Dean mentioned, it's the first release so hopefully it'll be > > > improved. It seems to need: > > > - gzip support > > > - support for SADv2 (recognising gzip file with .sad extension) > > > - support for non-80-track SAD images > > > - disk format understanding for better equivalence checking > > > > In other words it must read/unpack each file into memory, and then test > > the > > checksum. > > > > > The initial list seems to have done quite a good job of gathering up > > > most demos and utils, even if it did pick up some commercial ones > along > > > the way - oops!. Tho the list does contain quite a lot of unnecessary > > > duplicates - maybe it'd be more useful if the 'unofficial' ones were > > > weeded out? > > > > You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum games > > collection" or "demos collection" images. > > That's why I wrote it is a nonsense to make database of diskettes. > > I think we should build a database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam > > Basic version 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) > > > > Aley
RE: GoodSAMC
they'll get to that, trouble is, they have to filter out the dross first, if you look at the other good utils, any confirmed good dumps are marked ! thats what will probably happen to goodsamc, i dont know why the author allows "crap" to be listed in the renamed db, instead of just acknowledging the existance of the crap in the db, and only renaming good stuff - i guess its just easier that way > -Original Message- > From: Aley Keprt [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 13:55 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: GoodSAMC > > > > And, finally, it refuses to accept disks with more than 80 tracks > > (maybe all except 80, but I have only 80, 82 and 84). > > > > Must be a non-80-track thing, as it also complained about undersize SAD > > images - your 'alternative module player' comes on a small SAD image, > > and that had to be converted to DSK and then back to 80 track SAD for it > > to be recognised! > > Really? > It's called "Aley's" instead of "Alternative". I don't know who the f. > wrote > the worng name into the database. > And I don't know why it has undersized SAD. Isn't the file corrupted? > (just > a question) > > > > > As Dean mentioned, it's the first release so hopefully it'll be > > improved. It seems to need: > > - gzip support > > - support for SADv2 (recognising gzip file with .sad extension) > > - support for non-80-track SAD images > > - disk format understanding for better equivalence checking > > In other words it must read/unpack each file into memory, and then test > the > checksum. > > > The initial list seems to have done quite a good job of gathering up > > most demos and utils, even if it did pick up some commercial ones along > > the way - oops!. Tho the list does contain quite a lot of unnecessary > > duplicates - maybe it'd be more useful if the 'unofficial' ones were > > weeded out? > > You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum games > collection" or "demos collection" images. > That's why I wrote it is a nonsense to make database of diskettes. > I think we should build a database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam > Basic version 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) > > Aley
Re: GoodSAMC
> > And, finally, it refuses to accept disks with more than 80 tracks > (maybe all except 80, but I have only 80, 82 and 84). > > Must be a non-80-track thing, as it also complained about undersize SAD > images - your 'alternative module player' comes on a small SAD image, > and that had to be converted to DSK and then back to 80 track SAD for it > to be recognised! Really? It's called "Aley's" instead of "Alternative". I don't know who the f. wrote the worng name into the database. And I don't know why it has undersized SAD. Isn't the file corrupted? (just a question) > > As Dean mentioned, it's the first release so hopefully it'll be > improved. It seems to need: > - gzip support > - support for SADv2 (recognising gzip file with .sad extension) > - support for non-80-track SAD images > - disk format understanding for better equivalence checking In other words it must read/unpack each file into memory, and then test the checksum. > The initial list seems to have done quite a good job of gathering up > most demos and utils, even if it did pick up some commercial ones along > the way - oops!. Tho the list does contain quite a lot of unnecessary > duplicates - maybe it'd be more useful if the 'unofficial' ones were > weeded out? You never know what is official. It contains tens of "spectrum games collection" or "demos collection" images. That's why I wrote it is a nonsense to make database of diskettes. I think we should build a database of ROMs instead. (real roms - MGT Sam Basic version 1,2,3..., SamCo ROM, etc.) Aley
RE: GoodSAMC
> -Original Message- > From: Simon Owen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 April 2001 12:25 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: GoodSAMC > > Aley Keprt wrote: > > I had to unpack all my images, since it stupidly doesn't > > accept sad.gz / SADv2 images. > > Yeah, seems odd that the program uses ZLib, but only for zip files - it > didn't seem to like my .gz files either. > > > > Also, it seemms that it refuses to accept SAD converted to DSK or > > vice versa. > > Shame it doesn't understand the image contents at all - equivalent disks > in different formats are treated as different files. Must just CRC the > contents, which is fine for ROM images but a bit limiting for structured > files. > > > > And, finally, it refuses to accept disks with more than 80 tracks > (maybe > > all except 80, but I have only 80, 82 and 84). > > Must be a non-80-track thing, as it also complained about undersize SAD > images - your 'alternative module player' comes on a small SAD image, > and that had to be converted to DSK and then back to 80 track SAD for it > to be recognised! > > > As Dean mentioned, it's the first release so hopefully it'll be > improved. It seems to need: > - gzip support > - support for SADv2 (recognising gzip file with .sad extension) > - support for non-80-track SAD images > - disk format understanding for better equivalence checking > > The initial list seems to have done quite a good job of gathering up > most demos and utils, even if it did pick up some commercial ones along > the way - oops!. Tho the list does contain quite a lot of unnecessary > duplicates - maybe it'd be more useful if the 'unofficial' ones were > weeded out? [Dean Woodyatt] i asked that a while ago, it seems that evereything is included, then when the db is mature, a lot of the crap is 'hidden' some of the newer good tools allow you to just rename known good dumps, excluding any alternate, bad, whatever, > > > Si
Re: GoodSAMC
Aley Keprt wrote: > I had to unpack all my images, since it stupidly doesn't > accept sad.gz / SADv2 images. Yeah, seems odd that the program uses ZLib, but only for zip files - it didn't seem to like my .gz files either. > Also, it seemms that it refuses to accept SAD converted to DSK or > vice versa. Shame it doesn't understand the image contents at all - equivalent disks in different formats are treated as different files. Must just CRC the contents, which is fine for ROM images but a bit limiting for structured files. > And, finally, it refuses to accept disks with more than 80 tracks (maybe > all except 80, but I have only 80, 82 and 84). Must be a non-80-track thing, as it also complained about undersize SAD images - your 'alternative module player' comes on a small SAD image, and that had to be converted to DSK and then back to 80 track SAD for it to be recognised! As Dean mentioned, it's the first release so hopefully it'll be improved. It seems to need: - gzip support - support for SADv2 (recognising gzip file with .sad extension) - support for non-80-track SAD images - disk format understanding for better equivalence checking The initial list seems to have done quite a good job of gathering up most demos and utils, even if it did pick up some commercial ones along the way - oops!. Tho the list does contain quite a lot of unnecessary duplicates - maybe it'd be more useful if the 'unofficial' ones were weeded out? Si
RE: GoodSamC (Was Help Me:) )
What is your private email :)
RE: GoodSamC (Was Help Me:) )
Yeah normally (knowing what Cowering has done with other systems) , he kinda goes mental and logs/dbases all he can find (some so obscure its amazine), and it will eventually become the definative collection etc I still have some to upload (305) , and they are in the cue , just ping rate was a little low earlier If you want to create a Dir called Good , with a dir SamCRen , put all zips in their that i upload , then but the 2 txt files i upload inside Good I will email you another Ftp that i contibute 2 off list , so you can see that this is the normal format for Cowerings Good Collection C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frode Tenneboe Sent: 24 April 2001 20:32 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: GoodSamC (Was Help Me:) ) On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:12:57 +0100 "Chris White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's complete and being uploaded to Nvg , When the SysOp sorts it into its > own dir anyone who wishes to may grab it from there I have moved it into temp/from_CW. I have no idea what to do with it. Should I create a separate directory for this stuff (204 files)? > I will try to upload with each new version (Some are likley to be name > changes) , and added images with each release How do we handle that? -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; |
Re: GoodSamC (Was Help Me:) )
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:12:57 +0100 "Chris White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's complete and being uploaded to Nvg , When the SysOp sorts it into its > own dir anyone who wishes to may grab it from there I have moved it into temp/from_CW. I have no idea what to do with it. Should I create a separate directory for this stuff (204 files)? > I will try to upload with each new version (Some are likley to be name > changes) , and added images with each release How do we handle that? -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; |
