RE: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S
"12000 Htz at 10,000 volts"? Curious. With 60 Hz on the primary? I put the nominal 10Kv secondary of mine on an oscilloscope and it was still 60 Hz. Eddy currents? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S In a message dated 6/21/00 9:18:05 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << It appears that for optimum results you need for the voltage/frequency = 150 or so. Marshall: How did you arrive at the 150 ratio? Incidentally, I was told by an electrical engineer who represents the manufacturer of my solid state (neon sign) HVAC power supply that its frequency is ~ 12000 Htz at 10,000 volts. Could you explain the discrepancy between that figure and the 60 Htz you assume for 10,000 volt AC? Roger Roger Thus for 60 htz, optimum voltage is about 10K, and for 30 volts the polarity reversing should be about .2 hertz or once every 10 seconds or so (assuming a linear relationship). It has to do with the diffusion rate from the cathode, reversal should occur when the ions near, but have not reached the cathode yet. If course the distance between the electrodes is very important since the closer they are together the quicker the ions can move across the distance. >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>PWT Calibration
Hi list, 1) I bought a Hanna PWT, model HI 98308. As an electronics engineer, of course I had to take it apart to see the "guts". Very nice instrument! I am surprised they don't cost more. A previous post by someone indicated his PWT could be calibrated with a precision resistor. for his model, 100K Ohm = 10 uS and 1 Meg = 1 uS. But with mine, 100K indicated 16.2uS. Obviously, there must be some difference in the electronics and/or electrode geometry between mine and his. Can someone tell me what value of calibration resistor the HI 98308 needs to read 10.0 uS? Or for a given reference resistance, what my PWT meter should read? 2) My distilled water reads 1.0 uS. Source is a neighbor's commercial steam distillation unit. Is that about as good as one could hope for without a lot of additional effort or expense? 3) When measuring CS with a PWT, how does one keep the electrode chamber from gradually getting silver in it which will affect the readings? Seems like the only easy way to clean it is to swish it around in some distilled water, or maybe use a water pik to squirt DW into the little electrode openings. Thanks, Steve Young
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
>Thanks,just can't access the web right now . >PG I've been either banned, my Netscape version is too old, or my computer has been infected! Any thoughts? PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Thought worth forwarding--Aspartame Toxicity
PS, big mistake--I meant to have typed MSG PG >Why does MSM need detoxing? >I find it a very useful substance.. > Chuck >Spending a year dead for tax purposes .. > >On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:58:46 -0500, Pamela Grant wrote: > >>For anyone interested, I just bought a homeopathic designed to detox >>aspartame(among other artificial sweeteners)!--"Aspartame Homeopathic >>Detox"--2 oz. (they also sell a Radiation and MSM detox as well--all 3 are >>tinctures). > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Thanks,just can't access the web right now . PG > What is the magnetic pulser? > > PG >> >see www.sota-inc.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S
rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/00 9:18:05 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: > > << It appears that for optimum results you need for the voltage/frequency = > 150 or > so. > > Marshall: How did you arrive at the 150 ratio? That seems to be optimum with 60 hertz, 10K volts. Low voltage requires much lower alternation. I am assuming a linear relationship, but it may not be. > Incidentally, I was told by an > electrical engineer who represents the manufacturer of my solid state (neon > sign) HVAC power supply that its frequency is ~ 12000 Htz at 10,000 volts. > Could you explain the discrepancy between that figure and the 60 Htz you > assume for 10,000 volt AC? Sounds like you have one of the high frequency units that uses a small coil with a solid state switcher. I use a plain old transformer that runs at line frequency. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Thought worth forwarding--Aspartame Toxicity
I think that MSM should read MSG... On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:13:17 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: =>Why does MSM need detoxing? =>I find it a very useful substance.. => Chuck =>Spending a year dead for tax purposes .. => =>On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:58:46 -0500, Pamela Grant wrote: => =>>For anyone interested, I just bought a homeopathic designed to detox =>>aspartame(among other artificial sweeteners)!--"Aspartame Homeopathic =>>Detox"--2 oz. (they also sell a Radiation and MSM detox as well--all 3 are =>>tinctures). => => =>-- =>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. => =>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: =>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com =>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. => =>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com =>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html =>List maintainer: Mike Devour => =>
Re: CS>Thought worth forwarding--Aspartame Toxicity
I was curious about that too but decided that it was a typo. ? Diane cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: > > Why does MSM need detoxing? > I find it a very useful substance.. > Chuck > Spending a year dead for tax purposes .. > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:58:46 -0500, Pamela Grant wrote: > > >For anyone interested, I just bought a homeopathic designed to detox > >aspartame(among other artificial sweeteners)!--"Aspartame Homeopathic > >Detox"--2 oz. (they also sell a Radiation and MSM detox as well--all 3 are > >tinctures). > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S
In a message dated 6/21/00 9:18:05 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << It appears that for optimum results you need for the voltage/frequency = 150 or so. Marshall: How did you arrive at the 150 ratio? Incidentally, I was told by an electrical engineer who represents the manufacturer of my solid state (neon sign) HVAC power supply that its frequency is ~ 12000 Htz at 10,000 volts. Could you explain the discrepancy between that figure and the 60 Htz you assume for 10,000 volt AC? Roger Roger Thus for 60 htz, optimum voltage is about 10K, and for 30 volts the polarity reversing should be about .2 hertz or once every 10 seconds or so (assuming a linear relationship). It has to do with the diffusion rate from the cathode, reversal should occur when the ions near, but have not reached the cathode yet. If course the distance between the electrodes is very important since the closer they are together the quicker the ions can move across the distance. >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Thought worth forwarding--Aspartame Toxicity
Why does MSM need detoxing? I find it a very useful substance.. Chuck Spending a year dead for tax purposes .. On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:58:46 -0500, Pamela Grant wrote: >For anyone interested, I just bought a homeopathic designed to detox >aspartame(among other artificial sweeteners)!--"Aspartame Homeopathic >Detox"--2 oz. (they also sell a Radiation and MSM detox as well--all 3 are >tinctures). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTRoger
In a message dated 6/21/00 8:48:13 PM EST, myf...@mwt.net writes: << Roger, I apologize. Upon looking this up, it is Folic Acid deficit that can cause a burning sensation in the feet. If the sensation is limited to one foot, and only the heel, I would check into other possibilities, perhaps one of those already brought up by someone else on the list, maybe a bone spur? Sparrow >> Thank you, Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>FACT 2.1 - COMPOUND-Web Results.htm
<>
RE: CS>Herbal remedies and FDA
Already on its way: Criminal offense to DISCUSS alternative treatment modalities. WTFUp James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 3:58 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Herbal remedies and FDA Pamela Grant wrote: > and do you know who now owns most herbal companies?---pharmaceuticals---a > real reason to be cautious---grow your own At least they won't be pressuring FDA to take them off the shelf. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
In a message dated 6/21/00 3:31:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: << Subj: Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme Date: 6/21/00 3:31:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com What is the magnetic pulser? PG >> see www.sota-inc.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMODosageOT
In a message dated 6/21/00 1:58:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: << Subj: Re: CS>CMODosageOT Date: 6/21/00 1:58:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com The below is interesting as I too had the mycoplasma type of pneumoniaApril'99) and have recently been quite shaky also. Is shakiness and that particular illness have a correlation---anyone know? Pam >> Hi Pam, Check out www.immed.org. I had a severe case of Mycoplasma pneumonia diagnosed through chest x-rays, fact that I was coughing up blood, etc. and blood work was done but I am sure they did not do a PCR to determine what strain of mycoplasma. Most labs do not. I later was positive on PCR and Gene Tracking when tested for M. fermentnas incognitus which can cuse many chronic and serious symptoms. When monkeys were injected with it they died in 7 to 9 months according to Dr. Lo who has the patent on it. Christy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
In a message dated 6/21/00 5:39:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, galing...@chariot.net.au writes: << Subj: Re: CS>CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT Date: 6/21/00 5:39:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: galing...@chariot.net.au (Judith Thamm) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com As you are a diabetic are you using an artificial sweetener in anything? One of the side effects of some artificial sweeteners is that they send blood sugar out of kilter and cause the >weak/shaky > feelings you have described. [Aspartame, NutraSweet, Equal and all the other names it goes under.] Judith. >> Hi. I am not diabetic. I have low blood sugar. I avoid that stuff about 95% of the time. Have noticed getting shaky after diet coke which I very rarely have but I thought it was the caffeine...maybe not...or both. What about saccharin...worse or better than nutrasweet and/or sugar? Christy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS and anthrax inoculation
HI,lurker on the list, Need to know if anyone has heard about CS being counter active if one has been given anthrax shots. thanks in advance.. dave,s -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S
rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/00 5:08:04 PM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: > > << Sorry Marshall, I left out the "arc" part, which is the "wierder" > part of the process - why use a high temperature arc in air? > (To vaporize the silver and spalt it into the water but also > breakdown the air) > I know nothing of the arc process, but what that 100 year old book said, and that did not look particularly good. > > Of course I can also add: >"why us 10,000 volts for a 2 volt DC process"? and.. >"why not use polarity reversing LVDC"?, if you just want > to get all of the released silver into solution? > It appears that for optimum results you need for the voltage/frequency = 150 or so. Thus for 60 htz, optimum voltage is about 10K, and for 30 volts the polarity reversing should be about .2 hertz or once every 10 seconds or so (assuming a linear relationship). It has to do with the diffusion rate from the cathode, reversal should occur when the ions near, but have not reached the cathode yet. If course the distance between the electrodes is very important since the closer they are together the quicker the ions can move across the distance. > > Some will reply that the feature is that it produces in volume, > but the "100 volt pickle jar array" recently posted also will! > Produces in volume (I get 4 gallons an hour), plus no sludge at all, which the pickle jar array may, provided polarity reversal is encorporated, but then it would really be an AC process simply using a lower voltage and frequency. > > Fred: Another feature of the sputtered version of the HVAC CS process is that > you can make very high CS concentrations which may provide an advantage for > treating Lyme disease as well as other tough bugs. I cannot comment on the sputtered version, have no experience with it. The few times I have thrown an arc it has broken my barrier tubes. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTRoger
Roger, I apologize. Upon looking this up, it is Folic Acid deficit that can cause a burning sensation in the feet. If the sensation is limited to one foot, and only the heel, I would check into other possibilities, perhaps one of those already brought up by someone else on the list, maybe a bone spur? Sparrow >Sparrow: I am hoping you could elaborate about your last sentence. We use to >take vitamin B supplements, but we stopped ~ 6 months ago. Now I have a >burning sensation on the heel of my right foot. It's much worse in the >morning when I wake up and stant on it for the first time, then subsides >during the day, but doesn't go away entirely. Any additional thoughts? > >Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
My goodness--thank you. -PG >In a message dated 6/21/00 6:28:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >pjgr...@northnet.org writes: > ><< What is Beck's 4 step protocol? >> > > >http://healthtronics.co.nz/aboutbl.htm >http://www.sightings.com/health/electrohealth.htm >http://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/cancerremissions.htm >http://www.bettahealth.com.au/beck.html >http://leadingedgenews.com/bobbeck.htm >http://leadingedgenews.com/bobbeck.htm >http://216.60.190.54/biology/thumind.htm >http://216.60.190.54/biology/thumcoil.htm >http://www.explorepub.com/articles/beck/hiv_article.html > >Dotsie > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
In a message dated 6/21/00 6:28:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: << What is Beck's 4 step protocol? >> http://healthtronics.co.nz/aboutbl.htm http://www.sightings.com/health/electrohealth.htm http://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/cancerremissions.htm http://www.bettahealth.com.au/beck.html http://leadingedgenews.com/bobbeck.htm http://leadingedgenews.com/bobbeck.htm http://216.60.190.54/biology/thumind.htm http://216.60.190.54/biology/thumcoil.htm http://www.explorepub.com/articles/beck/hiv_article.html Dotsie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Nope - burning in the legs... From: "Scharbach" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: Subject: Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:55:46 -0700 Rob, My main "leftover" Lyme symptoms are neuro. Tiredness, forgetfulness, short term memory stuff, etc. I didn't have a whole lot of inflamation to begin with. Where are the burning sensations you are getting? Burning feelings on the soles of your feet can be symptomatic of B vitamin definciency. Sparrow >Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to >come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ >remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, >inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any >and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in >conjunction with Antibiotics? > >thanks, >rob >in memphis > > > >>From: "Scharbach" >>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme >>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:23:56 -0700 >> >>I know James. But so is Lyme.:~( Sometimes, somethings are worth >>the risk. >> >>Sparrow >> >> >> >> >Flagyl is toxic as hell. Read the PDR. >> > >> >James Osbourne Holmes >> >a...@trail.com >> >FTNWO >> >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
In a message dated 06/21/2000 7:04:04 PM Central Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: << What is Beck's 4 step protocol? >> >> PG >> What affect do you think this has on candida? EJ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>END OF - CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS (Thank God!)
In a message dated 6/21/00 7:07:39 PM EST, f...@health2us.com writes:
<< Roger
Guess it is time to get back to work! I hear "what are they talking about"
chatter and we are taking a lot of bandwidth with our jousting match -
Fred: Yes, we may be taking some bandwidth, but it's also a tad more
important, IMHO, then exchanging home remedies.
would love to get a sample and test however I can!
Fred: I'll send you a liter of my 1 PPM HVAC CS brew. Knock yourself out!
I am hopeful of enrolling a friend in the local water works to run some tests
for me! They have become so well equipped and staffed that they do contract
work for
outsiders and our local water report shows tests results for over 50 items,
mostly in the PPB range. I can not test efficiency but they may have some
slimy stuff I can culture!
Fred: I'd love to see the results of side by side tests -- Fred's vintage
('93 was a good year, don't you think) LVDC CS vs Roger's HVAC ("weird
science") CS. Of course, you'll run the tests at 1 PPM, right?
PII, 3516 Delilah Drive, Cape Coral, FL. 33993
I have only one other sample now as the last one submitted leaked and
dissolved the Bio-degradeable peanut packing ...
Fred: That HVAC CS is wicked stuff. Think it's the low pH, or the nitr ?
Roger
--
The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver.
To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to:
silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line.
To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com
Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>From Ag and H2O we get...
The following is a listing of the possible compounds of Hydrogen, Oxygen and Silver. This was acquired from the COMPOUND-Web database. source: http://www.crct.polymtl.ca/fact/web/compweb.htm 29 compound(s) found in F*A*C*T main database. H[-] .. Hydrogen, Ion H . Hydrogen H[+] .. Hydrogen, Ion H2[-] . Hydrogen, Ion H2 Hydrogen H2[+] . Hydrogen, Ion O[-] .. Oxygen, Ion O . Oxygen O[+] .. Oxygen, Ion O2[-] . Oxygen, Ion O2 Oxygen O2[+] . Oxygen, Ion O3 Ozone OH[-] . Hydroxyl, Ion OH Hydroxyl OH[+] . Hydroxyl, Ion H2O ... Water H3O[+] Hydronium, Ion HO2[-] Hydrogen Dioxide Uninegative Ion HOO ... Hydroperoxo HOOH .. Hydrogen Peroxide Ag Silver Ag[+] . Silver Unipostive Ion Ag2 ... Diatomic Silver Ag2O .. Silver Oxide Ag2O2 . Silver Peroxide Ag2O3 . Silver Trioxide AgOH .. Silver Hydroxide Ag(OH)2[-] Silver Dihydroxide Uninegative Ion Request completed in 0.0300 seconds Regards, George Martin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Thanks. Do you have any links to this device or website? PG >Hi Again Pamela >it's me again...The magnetic pulser is a magnetic pulse generator >which generates a powerful magnetic pulse...The coil acts as the >primary winding of a transformer and the body tissue acts as the secondary >winding which induces 50 to 100 microamps of current into the location. such >as the lymph nodes or diseased organ...this current is harmless to healthy >cells >This microcurrent disables viruses, bacteria and pathogens in the tissue in >the same way that the blood purifier does in the blood... >Alvin > >Pamela Grant wrote: > >> What is the magnetic pulser? >> >> PG >> >> >Hi Marshall >> >With the Beck Devices it's just a matter of not taking toxic substances >> >and treat yourself until you have completely recovered...Problems >> >that are not in the blood takes a little longer and the magnetic pulser >> >is required for lymph node and tumor recovery as you have to >> >treat the areas affected...good magnetic power projection is >> >required for the pulser and colloidal silver to help the immune system. >> >Alvin >> > >> >Marshall Dudley wrote: >> > >> >> rob gr wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those >>trying to >> >> > come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ >> >> > remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, >> >> > inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any >> >> > and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in >> >> > conjunction with Antibiotics? >> >> > >> >> > thanks, >> >> > rob >> >> > in memphis >> >> >> >> My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a >> >> plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was >>symptom free >> >> in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the >> >> lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area >> >> then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some >> >>swelling had >> >> returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to >> >> completely clear out. >> >> >> >> Marshall >> >> >> >> -- >> >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Thought worth forwarding--Aspartame Toxicity
Aspartame Toxicity 6/2/00 For anyone interested, I just bought a homeopathic designed to detox aspartame(among other artificial sweeteners)!--"Aspartame Homeopathic Detox"--2 oz. (they also sell a Radiation and MSM detox as well--all 3 are tinctures). Herbal Healer Academy News HC32, Box 97-B, Mt. View, Ar 72560 870-269-4177 http://www.herbalhealer.com Pam >Aspartame Toxicity 6.2.00: Trocho 6.26.98 > >Rich Murray Room For All >1943 Otowi Drive, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 >505-986-9103 505-920-6130 cell rmfor...@earthlink.net >[B.A., M.I.T. 1964, M.A., Boston U. 1967: a layman committed to >facilitating civil debate on aspartame toxicity] > >Aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal, Canderel, Benevia) is reported by many >scientific studies and case histories to be toxic: headaches, all kinds >of body and joint pain (or burning, tingling, tremors, twitching, >spasms, cramps, or numbness); "mind fog", "feel unreal", poor memory, >confusion, anxiety, irritability, depression, mania, insomnia, >dizziness, slurred speech, ringing in ears, sexual problems, nausea, >seizures, poor vision, hearing, or taste; fever, fatigue; red face, >itching, rashes, burning eyes or throat, dry mouth or eyes, mouth >sores; hair loss; obesity, bloating, edema, poor or excessive hunger >or thirst, anorexia; coldness; diarrhea or constipation; breathing >problems; racing heart, high blood pressure, erratic blood sugar >levels; birth defects; brain cancers. > >Users who quit often experience much immediate healing, but some >symptoms may last for weeks. Heavy users may suffer weeks of painful >withdrawal symptoms. Also avoid all forms of MSG (glutamate), >legally mislabeled as "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" or even >"natural flavoring". Some versions of RC Diet Rite Cola use Splenda >(sucralose) and Acesulfame-K, far less hazardous than asp., but >so far available only in a few areas. It's fun to mix club soda with >juices. A long-used herbal sweetener, stevia, is entirely safe and >widely available. A corrupt FDA has refused to attest its safety: >www.holisticmed.com/sweet/stv-alert.txt > >Read all labels!-- aspartame is in almost all diet sodas; many drink >mixes, instant breakfasts, cereals, cake mixes, yogurts, puddings, >jellos, chewing gums, breath mints, candies, toothpastes, laxatives, >cough syrups, even vitamins and medicines. Absorption through the skin >in the mouth may be especially strong. > >Three careful double-blind experimental studies prove aspartame >causes headaches: Koehler SM et al, 1988, Headache, 28(1), 10-14. >Shirley Koehler, PhD 904-858-7651 skoeh...@brookshealth.org > >Walton RG et al, 1993, Biological Psychiatry, 34(1), 13-17. >Prof. Ralph G. Walton 330-740-3621 rwalton...@aol.com > >Van Den Eeden SK et al, 1994, Neurology, 44, 1787-93. >Steven K. Van Den Eeden, PhD 550-450-2202 s...@dor.kaiser.org > >Woodrow C. Monte, Director, Food Science and Nutrition Laboratory >602-965-6938 Arizona State University, woody.mo...@asu.edu, >"Aspartame: Methanol and the Public Health," 1984, >J. Applied Nutrition, 36(1), 42-54 (62 references): >The methanol from 2 L of diet soda, 5.6 12-oz cans, 20 mg/can, is >112 mg, 10% of the asp. The EPA limit for water is 7.8 mg daily for >methanol (wood alcohol), a deadly cumulative poison. Many users >drink 1-2 L daily. The reported symptoms are entirely consistent >with chronic methanol toxicity. (Fresh orange juice has 34 mg/L, but, >like all juices, has 16 times more ethanol, which strongly protects >against methanol.) www.dorway.com/wmonte.txt > >A radioactive tracer study proves that the methanol from a low dose of >of aspartame binds formaldehyde, a deadly cumulative poison, into >tissues: Trocho C et al, June 26 1998, Life Sci, 63(5), 337-349. >www.PRESIDIOTEX.COM/barcelona/index.html > >Lennart Hardell, M.D., PhD, in 1999 reported in Sweden that both >cell phone use and heavy aspartame use correlate with increased >brain cancers: www.medscape.com/MedGenMed/braintumors > >Who pays the piper, calls the tune. Ralph G. Walton, Prof. of >Clinical Psychology, Northeastern Ohio Universities, Youngstown, >OH 44501, 330-740-3621 rwalton...@aol.com , in an unpublished >66-page study (1998), listed 166 studies about asp. and health. All >74 studies funded by the industry were favorable, whereas 84 of the 92 >non-industry studies identified a problem. Moreover, many industry >studies were published repeatedly with slight changes, from 2 to 6 >times each, violating scientific ethics. www.dorway.com/peerrev.html >Al Raetz has justly criticized bias in both sides of the debate: >www.aspartametruth.freeservers.com/personal.html > >Asp. Victims Support Group Home Page www.presidiotex.com/aspartame/ > >Aspartame Toxicity Information CenterMark D. Gold >www.HolisticMed.com/aspartame 603-225-2100 >"Scientific Abuse in Aspartame Research" >www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/methanol.html >mg...@tiac.net 12 East Side Drive #2-18 Concord, NH 03301 > >Mission-Possi
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S
In a message dated 6/21/00 5:08:04 PM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: << Sorry Marshall, I left out the "arc" part, which is the "wierder" part of the process - why use a high temperature arc in air? (To vaporize the silver and spalt it into the water but also breakdown the air) Of course I can also add: "why us 10,000 volts for a 2 volt DC process"? and.. "why not use polarity reversing LVDC"?, if you just want to get all of the released silver into solution? Some will reply that the feature is that it produces in volume, but the "100 volt pickle jar array" recently posted also will! Fred: Another feature of the sputtered version of the HVAC CS process is that you can make very high CS concentrations which may provide an advantage for treating Lyme disease as well as other tough bugs. Roger f...@health2us.com >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Roger and me
In a message dated 6/21/00 5:03:10 PM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: << Fred: OK the plan is very simple: The SPUTTERED HVAC CS process is unique in >that it will "throw" silver onto anything. I just happen to catch it in >water. A while back I wasn't paying close enough attention to what I was >doing and the silver electrode got too close to the side of the Pyrex >container. Wala, I "plated" silver right onto the glass. So all I have to do >is repeat this "error" onto a microscope slide and look for another phase >beside silver. Want to take any bets as to what I'll find? > >Roger Can I bet a quart of aged LVCs? Actually Roger, you leave me no options here, I am not qualified to predict deposition phases of low current sputtering of silver and its possibly degenerated phases on to a microscope slide under ambient conditions above a water bath. Fred: Common, I'm capturing the very same material that is quenched by the water bath. However, catching it on a glass slide will probably not provide the same degree of quenching as occurs in water. So if I find no silver oxide on the slide, there's no chance it could have formed (being more severely quenched) in water. BTW, you're on with that bet. So, you may finally get your sample IF you're right. However, on another post I DID make a REALISTIC proposal about sending you a sample of my HVAC CS. I'm awaiting your reply. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>END OF - CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS (Thank God!)
Roger said: Fred: We're supposed to be having a logical exchange of ideas which means you should devoted the time required to provide a considered opinion. Anyone who is putting in the kind of hours you are doing disserves my and everyone elses compassion. Perhaps you should step back and ask yourself is this (situation) what I want out of life right now, or am I working myself into a basket case for some improvement in the future? (I am addicted to programming in the Perl language - usually 'til 3 A.M.!) and: Fred: I'll do you one better...Promise me that you'll test my product for safety and efficacy (not counting itsi, bitsi charged, and uncharged particles which MAY or MAY NOT correlate to ANYTHING) and I'll send you a sample. Roger Guess it is time to get back to work! I hear "what are they talking about" chatter and we are taking a lot of bandwidth with our jousting match - I would love to get a sample and test however I can! I am hopeful of enrolling a friend in the local water works to run some tests for me! They have become so well equipped and staffed that they do contract work for outsiders and our local water report shows tests results for over 50 items, mostly in the PPB range. I can not test efficiency but they may have some slimy stuff I can culture! PII, 3516 Delilah Drive, Cape Coral, FL. 33993 I have only one other sample now as the last one submitted leaked and dissolved the Bio-degradeable peanut packing and then the bottles broke. Hopefully I will wind up with a few I can present for tests. Like most government workers, they are subject to bribes - FREE Cs for life? Cordially, Fred
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Hi Again Pamela it's me again...The magnetic pulser is a magnetic pulse generator which generates a powerful magnetic pulse...The coil acts as the primary winding of a transformer and the body tissue acts as the secondary winding which induces 50 to 100 microamps of current into the location. such as the lymph nodes or diseased organ...this current is harmless to healthy cells This microcurrent disables viruses, bacteria and pathogens in the tissue in the same way that the blood purifier does in the blood... Alvin Pamela Grant wrote: > What is the magnetic pulser? > > PG > > >Hi Marshall > >With the Beck Devices it's just a matter of not taking toxic substances > >and treat yourself until you have completely recovered...Problems > >that are not in the blood takes a little longer and the magnetic pulser > >is required for lymph node and tumor recovery as you have to > >treat the areas affected...good magnetic power projection is > >required for the pulser and colloidal silver to help the immune system. > >Alvin > > > >Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > >> rob gr wrote: > >> > >> > Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to > >> > come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ > >> > remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, > >> > inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any > >> > and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in > >> > conjunction with Antibiotics? > >> > > >> > thanks, > >> > rob > >> > in memphis > >> > >> My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a > >> plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was symptom > >> free > >> in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the > >> lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area > >> then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some > >>swelling had > >> returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to > >> completely clear out. > >> > >> Marshall > >> > >> -- > >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >> > >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >> > >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >> List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Thanks. PG >Hi Pamela >you can find it at >http://www.rarebooks.net/beck/b14.htm >Alvin > >Pamela Grant wrote: > >> What is Beck's 4 step protocol? >> >> PG >> >> >rob gr wrote: >> > >> >> Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to >> >> come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ >> >> remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, >> >> inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any >> >> and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in >> >> conjunction with Antibiotics? >> >> >> >> thanks, >> >> rob >> >> in memphis >> > >> >My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a >> >plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was symptom >>free >> >in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the >> >lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area >> >then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some >>swelling had >> >returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to >> >completely clear out. >> > >> >Marshall >> > >> > >> >-- >> >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> > >> >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> > >> >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Hi Pamela you can find it at http://www.rarebooks.net/beck/b14.htm Alvin Pamela Grant wrote: > What is Beck's 4 step protocol? > > PG > > >rob gr wrote: > > > >> Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to > >> come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ > >> remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, > >> inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any > >> and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in > >> conjunction with Antibiotics? > >> > >> thanks, > >> rob > >> in memphis > > > >My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a > >plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was symptom free > >in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the > >lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area > >then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some swelling had > >returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to > >completely clear out. > > > >Marshall > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
>In a message dated 6/21/00 3:45:09 PM EST, apothec...@home.com writes: > ><< > Roger > > I'm still out to lunch on the structured water, > >James: I supprised you said that about yourself. Are you sure you weren't >referring to me? > > >as I only have a very basic understanding of it. From what I understand (and >please correct me if I'm > wrong), water in it's natural form, e.g. lakes, streams, rivers, etc., is > structured water. When we put pressure on it and run it through our > plumbing, plus possibly when we add chlorine to it, we re-structure it into > an unnatural formation (atom wise that is). > > If this is true, then there is a very simple way to restructure it > naturally, and that is to take a pint, a gallon, a drum or whatever amount > your heart desires, make sure it is in a clear container that has a wide > mouth with no cover and set it in the sun for at least half an hour, and > then either leave it in the sun or bring it out of the sun for another 6 > hours. From what I understand, it's as simple as that. I don't have the > data that was used, because my ex-partner has it all, and he's the one that > explained it to me. Supposedly they've done extensive testing on it. > >James: The first step before we can discuss structured water from a >scientific standpoint is to define what it is. Since I haven't a clue as to >how to define it, I'm with you on this one; we're probably both out to lunch. > >Roger (The Japanese research utilizes a magnetic resonance imaging) This beautifully organized water(scientists also call it "structured" water) is important because it is more mobile thatn other water and more efficient. Hmmm...a defintion. As I have read, even the scientists say it is difficult to explain even the basics of such complex water technology and, second, the results and development---go figure. In Search of TRUTH Always, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
>In a message dated 6/21/00 4:05:41 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: > ><< Magnetics, as well as a lot of other things can structure water, including > adding things and shaking it, ie. homeopathics. Using a spectrophotometer I > have determined that totally unexpected things can structure water. For > instance, I have put water over a magnet, various crystals, and near various > rings of metal that suppose to have healing powers, and have had people with > healing energy hold their hands over water. In all cases, a change was >easily > seen by the instrument. > > And different items gave a different resonse, but I have no idea how to > interpret it. > > >Marshall: > >Tell us more about your spectrophotometric measurements of structured water. >If you prefer to do it off-line that's fine. > >Roger Would like that also to be shared PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
I think, perhaps, the "fuzzy feeling" is the sludge? Chuck 667- The Wrong Number of the Beast ! On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:43:00 -0700, "James Allison" wrote: >What I do know is that for my own personal CS, I use distilled water that I >have done the above process to, and I think it turns out a better brew. I >can't back it with the hard data, it's just a gut instinct, and a warm fuzzy >feeling I get when I drink it :) > >Yours in health, >James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Herbal remedies and FDA
>In a message dated 6/21/00 6:49:38 AM Central Daylight Time, >gotl...@hotmail.com writes: > >> ." Herbs may come from a garden rather than a >> laboratory, but they "are bioactive substances with the potential to do >good >> >> and the potential to harm," he says. "The bottom line is that they should >be >> >> regulated." >> >> Watch out for that bottom line... > > What's wrong with attempting to educate the public? Why must they jump to >regulate? There are herbs that require caution, but education can solve >these problems rather than force and expensive regulation. I wish they'd >stop being our parents and start being our peers. > >Samantha they are anything BUT your parents! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie
Do you have a number for ordering his video? PG >I suggest that you read between the lines when it comes to Bob Beck >information, >possibly it may effect some people, I have yet to talk to one who has had a >problem consuming any thing while using the Bob Beck Zapper. Dr. Beck is >terrified of the FDA and puts information on his video tape to keep them >off his >back. >Blessings >Ted > >ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 06/20/2000 9:40:37 AM Central Daylight Time, >> bi...@btinternet.com writes: >> >> << Dr Bob Beck says garlic is poison! His "Zapper" - which functions >> something >> similar to the principles of the apparatus Dr Nelson (Pam) talks about, >> regards Garlic as one of the cardinal sins. Electroporation is alleged to >> turn it into a deadly bullet! (Or did I read it all wrong?) Bill. >> >> >> __ >> >> I hope this isn't this case.I took 500 mg garlic yesterday and am >> zapping as we >> speak. I try to zap 2 hrs a day but do not always take garlic. I did >>take a >> bunch of candida killers yesterday along with the garlic. >> EJ >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
What is the magnetic pulser? PG >Hi Marshall >With the Beck Devices it's just a matter of not taking toxic substances >and treat yourself until you have completely recovered...Problems >that are not in the blood takes a little longer and the magnetic pulser >is required for lymph node and tumor recovery as you have to >treat the areas affected...good magnetic power projection is >required for the pulser and colloidal silver to help the immune system. >Alvin > >Marshall Dudley wrote: > >> rob gr wrote: >> >> > Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to >> > come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ >> > remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, >> > inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any >> > and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in >> > conjunction with Antibiotics? >> > >> > thanks, >> > rob >> > in memphis >> >> My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a >> plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was symptom free >> in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the >> lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area >> then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some >>swelling had >> returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to >> completely clear out. >> >> Marshall >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
What is Beck's 4 step protocol? PG >rob gr wrote: > >> Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to >> come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ >> remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, >> inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any >> and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in >> conjunction with Antibiotics? >> >> thanks, >> rob >> in memphis > >My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a >plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was symptom free >in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the >lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area >then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some swelling had >returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to >completely clear out. > >Marshall > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S
Sorry Marshall, I left out the "arc" part, which is the "wierder" part of the process - why use a high temperature arc in air? (To vaporize the silver and spalt it into the water but also breakdown the air) Of course I can also add: "why us 10,000 volts for a 2 volt DC process"? and.. "why not use polarity reversing LVDC"?, if you just want to get all of the released silver into solution? Some will reply that the feature is that it produces in volume, but the "100 volt pickle jar array" recently posted also will! f...@health2us.com At 01:50 PM 6/21/2000, you wrote: Fred wrote: Yes, and it would also apply to the "weird science HVAC process", which sadly none of the "inventors or re-discoverers" can explain - just claiming it is better! What is it that cannot be explained? I am not aware of any great mystery about it. The primary advantage I see off hand is the complete lack of sludge, 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. And yes that can be explained, I have already done so on this list previously. Marshall
Re: CS>cyst lyme/babesia,erlichiosis
Does anyone know how long Caisse's Tea lasts once opend in the fridge? PG >Christy, > >Right now I'm taking very little. Some herbal teas, Pau d'arco, Essiac, and >a cleansing tea. > >Soon though, I'll be starting back on, CS, grapefruit seed extract, MSM, B >vitamin supplements, >a good multivitamin, Blue green algae, and vitamin C. > >This seems to keep the neuro lyme symptoms well under control, and helps >some with joint >pain and body aches. > >The reason for the break in routine, is really simple, and kind of dumb. I >got to the point where >I couldn't choke down all the capsules I was taking!! > >Sparrow > > > > > >>So, have you tried those drugs again or just sticking with CS? Also, know >>much about babsesia and erlichiosis? Do you know if Cs should work for >those >>also? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Christy > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
> Marshall: > > Tell us more about your spectrophotometric measurements of structured water. > If you prefer to do it off-line that's fine. > > Roger I want in on this too please ;) Yours in health, James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Herbal remedies and FDA
Pamela Grant wrote: > and do you know who now owns most herbal companies?---pharmaceuticals---a > real reason to be cautious---grow your own At least they won't be pressuring FDA to take them off the shelf. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Roger and me
At 11:47 AM 6/20/2000, you wrote: In a message dated 6/20/00 1:50:57 AM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: << I plan on letting you foot the bill for the microphotographs or did you say photomicrographs? Fred: So I'm dyslexic. Just what are you photographing - the arc, solids you precipitate from your sol, the cooled electrode? I thought that a photomicrograph was a photo of a polished and etched surface on a metallic sample, so you could study the structure! You would know better, but you got to share! OK? Fred: OK the plan is very simple: The SPUTTERED HVAC CS process is unique in that it will "throw" silver onto anything. I just happen to catch it in water. A while back I wasn't paying close enough attention to what I was doing and the silver electrode got too close to the side of the Pyrex container. Wala, I "plated" silver right onto the glass. So all I have to do is repeat this "error" onto a microscope slide and look for another phase beside silver. Want to take any bets as to what I'll find? Roger Can I bet a quart of aged LVCs? Actually Roger, you leave me no options here, I am not qualified to predict deposition phases of low current sputtering of silver and its possibly degenerated phases on to a microscope slide under ambient conditions above a water bath. I do have an opinion though! What about the unspeakable "N" word stuff? I will have to use Ivan's stolen formula predictors to see if there could be a material referred to as NAG! (Is that why me ex was so snippy?) Awaiting your test results, with great interest! f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New list member with a another question
- Original Message - From: "Pamela Grant" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 6:17 PM Subject: Re: CS>New list member with a another question > How about one of those cloth coffee filters sold at health food store? > > PG > > > > >I don't know if there is a chemical reaction between stainless steel and > >colloidal silver but it certainly won't insert all of the impurities as would > >occur through a paper coffee filter and other methods..there are design > >plans on the net for c/s generators where the negative electrode is stainless > >steel..I use the ss filter and it does the job for me.as it removes all of the > >particles and ppm tests are identical...with a coffee filter the ppm readings > >can be quite different. > > > >Dave Perkins wrote: > > > >> Thanks Alvin, it sounds like a simple enough solution, however, I thought > >> letting CS come in contact with any metal was a no no. > >> > >> Dave Perkins > >> "enjoy being" Try the "Krupps" coffee maker permanent filter - gold plated metal Bill > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: Alvin Rose > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: CS>New list member with a another question > >> > >> > Hi David > >> > use a ultra fine mesh stainless steel coffee filter will get > >> > rid of your problem..they are easy to buy and are available > >> > in most supermarkets where coffee machines and parts are sold > >> > > >> > Dave Perkins wrote: > >> > > >> > > Where do you get filters that don't add any bad stuff but effectively > >> get > >> > > rid of any "gunk". I know there shouldn't be gunk but nobody is > >> perfect. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks > >> > > Dave Perkins > >> > > "enjoy being" > >> > > > >> > > - Original Message - > >> > > From: Fred > >> > > To: > >> > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:23 PM > >> > > Subject: CS>New list member with a another question > >> > > > >> > > > Third responder - coffee filters tend to ADD PPM of undesirable stuff, > >> > > > and the "Brew Rite" brand produces photosensitive silver salts! You > >> > > > will get a dark Cs mix if left in the sun for an hour! Guess your > >> plants > >> > > > won't care, but don't drink it! > >> > > > > >> > > > f...@health2us.com > >> > > > > >> > > > At 03:26 AM 6/19/2000, you wrote: > >> > > > >Filtration has with some CS in the past been shown to reduce PPM. > >> > > > >James Osbourne Holmes > >> > > > >a...@trail.com > >> > > > >FTNWO > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >-Original Message- > >> > > > >From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] > >> > > > >Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:05 PM > >> > > > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >> > > > >Subject:Re: CS>New list member with a another question > >> > > > > > >> > > > >Don't be too quick to discard "bad batches". > >> > > > >Filter thru a coffee filter if you want to, and use it for household > >> > > purposes. > >> > > > >Plants, garbage cans, shower curtains, etc... > >> > > > > Chuck > >> > > > >186,000 mps--it's not the law, it's just a challenge! > >> > > > > > >> > > > >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:14:11 -0500, Pamela Grant > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >I have read a few mailings that pertained to size of CS particles. > >> I > >> > > had > >> > > > > >become concerned(not a lot, however) that my solution , at times, > >> did > >> > > not > >> > > > > >look "healthy". Whatever I mean by that--the solution at times > >> became > >> > > > > >gray---even toward black--IF I left it running too long. Is there > >> any > >> > > > > >danger in this that anyone knows? Or should I, when that happens, > >> just > >> > > > > >throw out and start over--paying better attention to the time? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > >> silver. > >> > > > > >> > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > >> to: > >> > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >> > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >> > > > > >> > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >> > > > Silver-list archive: > >> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >> > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >
Re: CS>New list member with a another question
How about one of those cloth coffee filters sold at health food store? PG >I don't know if there is a chemical reaction between stainless steel and >colloidal silver but it certainly won't insert all of the impurities as would >occur through a paper coffee filter and other methods..there are design >plans on the net for c/s generators where the negative electrode is stainless >steel..I use the ss filter and it does the job for me.as it removes all of the >particles and ppm tests are identical...with a coffee filter the ppm readings >can be quite different. > >Dave Perkins wrote: > >> Thanks Alvin, it sounds like a simple enough solution, however, I thought >> letting CS come in contact with any metal was a no no. >> >> Dave Perkins >> "enjoy being" >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Alvin Rose >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:24 PM >> Subject: Re: CS>New list member with a another question >> >> > Hi David >> > use a ultra fine mesh stainless steel coffee filter will get >> > rid of your problem..they are easy to buy and are available >> > in most supermarkets where coffee machines and parts are sold >> > >> > Dave Perkins wrote: >> > >> > > Where do you get filters that don't add any bad stuff but effectively >> get >> > > rid of any "gunk". I know there shouldn't be gunk but nobody is >> perfect. >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > Dave Perkins >> > > "enjoy being" >> > > >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: Fred >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:23 PM >> > > Subject: CS>New list member with a another question >> > > >> > > > Third responder - coffee filters tend to ADD PPM of undesirable stuff, >> > > > and the "Brew Rite" brand produces photosensitive silver salts! You >> > > > will get a dark Cs mix if left in the sun for an hour! Guess your >> plants >> > > > won't care, but don't drink it! >> > > > >> > > > f...@health2us.com >> > > > >> > > > At 03:26 AM 6/19/2000, you wrote: >> > > > >Filtration has with some CS in the past been shown to reduce PPM. >> > > > >James Osbourne Holmes >> > > > >a...@trail.com >> > > > >FTNWO >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >-Original Message- >> > > > >From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] >> > > > >Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:05 PM >> > > > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> > > > >Subject:Re: CS>New list member with a another question >> > > > > >> > > > >Don't be too quick to discard "bad batches". >> > > > >Filter thru a coffee filter if you want to, and use it for household >> > > purposes. >> > > > >Plants, garbage cans, shower curtains, etc... >> > > > > Chuck >> > > > >186,000 mps--it's not the law, it's just a challenge! >> > > > > >> > > > >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:14:11 -0500, Pamela Grant >> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > >I have read a few mailings that pertained to size of CS particles. >> I >> > > had >> > > > > >become concerned(not a lot, however) that my solution , at times, >> did >> > > not >> > > > > >look "healthy". Whatever I mean by that--the solution at times >> became >> > > > > >gray---even toward black--IF I left it running too long. Is there >> any >> > > > > >danger in this that anyone knows? Or should I, when that happens, >> just >> > > > > >throw out and start over--paying better attention to the time? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >> silver. >> > > > >> > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >> to: >> > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> > > > >> > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> > > > Silver-list archive: >> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> >
Re: CS>Herbal remedies and FDA
and do you know who now owns most herbal companies?---pharmaceuticals---a real reason to be cautious---grow your own PG >Watch out for those Experts!!! > > >Herbal Remedies: Helpful or Harmful? > >Experts Call for Government Regulation of Alternative Medicines > >By Liza Jane Maltin >WebMD Medical News > >June 12, 2000 -- Americans are turning more and more often to herbal >remedies as a natural alternative to drugs. But before you head off to the >health food store for that bottle of St. John's wort or kava kava, you >should know that natural does not necessarily mean safer. In fact, evidence >is mounting that some of the most popular herbs can have serious side >effects. > >Now, a team of researchers has collected all the information available -- >from clinical trial results to FDA warnings to individual physician's >reports -- on several of the most widely used herbs, and created a set of >guidelines that doctors and patients can use to protect themselves. Their >complete report appears in the Spring issue of the Journal of >Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience. > >"The bottom line is that these herbal medications are purported to be >harmless, but that's an incorrect myth. [Reports about individuals] and >letters to the editors in various medical journals have documented that >these are in fact not harmless," says lead author W. Curt LaFrance Jr., MD, >who is with the departments of neurology and psychiatry at Brown University >School of Medicine in Providence, R.I. > >St. John's wort, for example, which can indeed be useful in mild or moderate >depression, has now been implicated in heart transplant rejection. >Apparently, LaFrance explains, the herb can render anti-rejection drugs >ineffective. Kava kava, which has been shown to successfully relieve >insomnia and anxiety, can also cause patients on various psychiatric drugs >like Valium and Librium to become severely disoriented. And the list of side >effects and drug interactions continues to grow. > >Unlike prescription drugs, which are closely regulated by the FDA, herbal >products are considered food and are not required to undergo rigorous animal >and human testing before being placed on the market. It is entirely up to >the consumer to seek out information before deciding to take an herbal >product, but most consumers are not doing the research. And they're not >talking to their doctors, either, LaFrance tells WebMD. > >Although doctors should be making every effort to learn exactly which drugs >-- chemical or herbal -- their patients are taking, patients must do their >part as well, says LaFrance. People worry that their doctor will scoff at >their use of an alternative medicine, he says, so they put themselves at >unnecessary risk by not mentioning it. > >"I think there is potential for these herbal medications, so I wouldn't >throw the baby out with the bath water," says LaFrance. "But it needs to be >cautiously monitored." Herbs may come from a garden rather than a >laboratory, but they "are bioactive substances with the potential to do good >and the potential to harm," he says. "The bottom line is that they should be >regulated." > >Watch out for that bottom line... > > >>From: "d.linen" >>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Subject: Re: CS>NY Board of Health checked my CS/Diane >>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:39:55 -0500 >> >> >> >>samma...@aol.com wrote: >> >> > >> > I agree - and I don't foresee mainstream medical people getting on >>board >> > anytime soon - mostly because it seems difficult for them to believe >>that >> > something inexpensive and wonderfully useful could have been supressed >>all >> > these years. I think they really believe their "science" and the >>industries >> > borne from it have a higher moral fiber than that. Maybe I'm >>overreacting >> > but I'm just glad Dotsie isn't in deep trouble over this. :( >> >>For sure, Samantha. I can't quite imagine how awful it must have been >>for Dotsie to think her CS caused a problem and having it checked out by >>the BOH. >> >>Diane >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
At 01:50 PM 6/21/2000, you wrote: James Allison wrote: Somebody Said... The primary advantage I see off hand is the complete lack of sludge, 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. My Opinion: There is not a "lack of sludge" as the sludge is expelled into the water in such a minute size that it cannot be seen. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. And yes, all of the silver goes into the colloid, positive charged and otherwise. What is your definition of sludge. 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. I have never seen sludge. I would expect that if there was any sludge then it would settle out when left standing for several days. This does not happen. Also I see no way sludge could be made using HVAC. Unlike the DC process, there is no population of monotomic O molecules at the electrode to react with the silver, and even if it did, then the hydrogen produced on the other half cycle would strip it off a few milliseconds later leaving a silver atom. Any atoms of silver which accumulate on the electrode while it is negative which might cause silver sludge in a DC process is immediately sent back into the water as a colloid on the next half cycleas well. Why do you think that sludge is formed? Marshall The generally accepted word on this list for the dark deposits on the negative electrode with the non-reversed LVDC process has been sludge! They are atoms of silver (reduced ions) and will grow into loosely bound snow-flake like crystals. I believe James was referring to those atoms, (non-charged) which surely are formed and thrown back into the solution . The fact they do not settle (anyone have HVAC product a 6 months to year old to check?) would indicate they are not joined to others and thus of an atomic size which the water may keep in suspension. My interest is if they are as effective internally, as a positively charged ion of silver, in the chemical sense! f...@health2us.com
Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie
Can you use anything but cottage cheese? I get so much phlegm when I take anything dairy? Frances - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie > Here is a thought that might be MUCH more pleasing to taste--however, I do > not know if you would get the same results, that is , in the amount of > fatty acids: > > Why not buy flax seeds and grind them in an herb grinder, then just > sprinkle on your cottage cheese? I have done this in the past and as for > taste, the groundseeds are much more tastey. > > Pam > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Todd/Cottage Cheese/Flax
You can also frezze it if you order several at a time Pg >Flax oil comes in 1000 mg capsules. Three of them equals one >tablespoon. Six equals the two tablespoonsfuls needed. The cottage >cheese needes to be eaten at the same time since it disolves the Omega 3 >oil and puts it right in the bloodstream rather than having in go >through the liver. Its a lot easier to take the capusels than the oil, >but is more expensive. Remember to keep flax refrigerated. Al > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
In a message dated 6/21/00 4:05:41 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << Magnetics, as well as a lot of other things can structure water, including adding things and shaking it, ie. homeopathics. Using a spectrophotometer I have determined that totally unexpected things can structure water. For instance, I have put water over a magnet, various crystals, and near various rings of metal that suppose to have healing powers, and have had people with healing energy hold their hands over water. In all cases, a change was easily seen by the instrument. And different items gave a different resonse, but I have no idea how to interpret it. Marshall: Tell us more about your spectrophotometric measurements of structured water. If you prefer to do it off-line that's fine. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
In a message dated 6/21/00 3:45:09 PM EST, apothec...@home.com writes: << > Roger I'm still out to lunch on the structured water, James: I supprised you said that about yourself. Are you sure you weren't referring to me? as I only have a very basic understanding of it. From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong), water in it's natural form, e.g. lakes, streams, rivers, etc., is structured water. When we put pressure on it and run it through our plumbing, plus possibly when we add chlorine to it, we re-structure it into an unnatural formation (atom wise that is). If this is true, then there is a very simple way to restructure it naturally, and that is to take a pint, a gallon, a drum or whatever amount your heart desires, make sure it is in a clear container that has a wide mouth with no cover and set it in the sun for at least half an hour, and then either leave it in the sun or bring it out of the sun for another 6 hours. From what I understand, it's as simple as that. I don't have the data that was used, because my ex-partner has it all, and he's the one that explained it to me. Supposedly they've done extensive testing on it. James: The first step before we can discuss structured water from a scientific standpoint is to define what it is. Since I haven't a clue as to how to define it, I'm with you on this one; we're probably both out to lunch. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:Introduction and all that..
Wow Judith, that was a great e-mail! Glad to see you over on the CS list as I have enjoyed your mailings on the "Alternacare" list as well. Pam >Hi all, > What a pleasant surprise to find there is a CS list! > I use CS for a number of cooking purposes - mainly to prevent >illness. I dip meats in a CS diluted solution - even some that is >dubious in age - no untoward reactions to date. I slosh it in stews, >cups of tea - when I have cold water form our tank. I live in rural >South Australia. > >I am an aspartame victim and part of the world wide organisation >against its use on humans. One of the joys of the toxin is that as I >age physically [not mentally] I develop other chemical sensitivities. >Just this week the fumes from shoepolish almost sent me raving. A >smell I previously had enjoyed. I lose the use of my leg muscles when >our nice neighbour on the property behind us burns plastic and the >fumes come our way. He illegally feed-lots cattle and gives them >dated sliced bread - then burns the plastic bags... Our local govt. >response was - well let us know next time it happens... > >I am involved in things herbal; the best list I've found is [alas] Nth >American - European herbally oriented and my suggestions for using Sth >American and other herbal remedies is not welcomed by the >traditionalists. As I believe that selecting whatever gives the best >results from whatever source the source should be the criteria, I >persevere. I am also on a Kombucha tea list. [The mention of CS and >K on the herb list causes an immediate "bounce"] And I suffer from >fingers that can't spell ... :) > >The herb Cat's Claw [Uncaria tomentosa] is also a viricide as well as >a herb for tumours. It is said it will give relief to the side >effects of chemotherapy. > >Cancer therapists here recommend the drinking of Kombucha tea - a >ferment. The list suggests using green tea. Green tea is also >recommended for the treatment of cancer, as are a few seeds [3-5] of >apricots. The great cyanide in apricots scare was just another of >those - it will ruin our [medical] business scares That is why >they are taken in low dosages - small quantities work well - larger >dosages don't work better or faster. > >Pau d'Arco [Tabebuia avellenadae or Lapacho] in tea or capsuled >extract form [the equivalent to 4 x 1mg dosages daily - maximum >recommended] for the treatment of even terminal cancer. As a tea, 1 >tablespoon of the dried herb is considered to give the equivalent of >500mg when boiled in a cup of water for 10 mins. Much cheaper to use >the extract. In Australia no mention of anything this herb can do may >be written on the packaging. > >I no longer consume milk or other milk products - only butter. Use >olive oil or coconut oils as other sources of fat. Coffee is also a >wassa, now I take an alternative or have guarana as a beverage once or >twice a day plus Siberian Ginseng. Guarana [not more than 1 gram at a >time] works differently on the body to the caffeine in coffee straight >which can cause headaches, jitteriness, palpitations and constipation. >I also drinks lots of different teas - some for taste - others for >value healthwise. > >Although I see some discussions are moving in a direction that may not >interest me, it is obvious that is a lively list - I've unsubbed the >general list and gone onto the digest list accordingly! > >Regards, >Judith. > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
James Allison wrote: > > James: There's a reasonable chance that the HVAC may also produce (along > with > > CS) structured water which could account for its efficacy at ~1 PPM or > > perhaps lower. I think that's pretty exciting. So tell me what's bigger > and > > better than that? > > > > Roger > > I'm still out to lunch on the structured water, as I only have a very basic > understanding of it. From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm > wrong), water in it's natural form, e.g. lakes, streams, rivers, etc., is > structured water. When we put pressure on it and run it through our > plumbing, plus possibly when we add chlorine to it, we re-structure it into > an unnatural formation (atom wise that is). > > If this is true, then there is a very simple way to restructure it > naturally, and that is to take a pint, a gallon, a drum or whatever amount > your heart desires, make sure it is in a clear container that has a wide > mouth with no cover and set it in the sun for at least half an hour, and > then either leave it in the sun or bring it out of the sun for another 6 > hours. From what I understand, it's as simple as that. I don't have the > data that was used, because my ex-partner has it all, and he's the one that > explained it to me. Supposedly they've done extensive testing on it. > > What I do know is that for my own personal CS, I use distilled water that I > have done the above process to, and I think it turns out a better brew. I > can't back it with the hard data, it's just a gut instinct, and a warm fuzzy > feeling I get when I drink it :) > It is my understanding that water has many different possible structures. Supposedly that is one theory of how homeopathics work, the water is structured by what was added before dilution. If steam distill water, and do not expose it to anything that will structure it, including magnetic fields, then it is considered unstructured. Magnetics, as well as a lot of other things can structure water, including adding things and shaking it, ie. homeopathics. Using a spectrophotometer I have determined that totally unexpected things can structure water. For instance, I have put water over a magnet, various crystals, and near various rings of metal that suppose to have healing powers, and have had people with healing energy hold their hands over water. In all cases, a change was easily seen by the instrument. And different items gave a different resonse, but I have no idea how to interpret it. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMODosageOT
The below is interesting as I too had the mycoplasma type of pneumoniaApril'99) and have recently been quite shaky also. Is shakiness and that particular illness have a correlation---anyone know? Pam >I've been taking CMO about 3 weeks. I have been doing lots of things but >adding the CMO is the most recent. Ever since I got a bad case of mycoplasma >pneumonia over 9 years ago I get shaky if I have not eaten for a while but it >has been worse lately...for about 2 weeks I'd say. > >Christy > >In a message dated 6/20/00 3:29:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, li...@flash.net >writes: > ><< Re: CS>CMODosageOT > Date: 6/20/00 3:29:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From: li...@flash.net (d.linen) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Christy, > > How long have you been taking the CMO? Were you shaky before you ever > took any CMO? It sounds like you are taking a variety of different > things. So you only got shake when you introduced the CMO into your > regimin? > > Diane >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>MSM
>Good morning everyone; > >To Dean T Miller, a lurker here from another list, like me >. You inquired about the availability of MSM. You will find it at your >local vet supply. I buy it in this ultra pure form 99.9%pure . I get it >in four lb. containers it costs about $60 .00 . It is absolutely pure >with no additives . They use it for horses and dogs and it works the >same for us. >I am sure this little tid bit of information will save you >all lots of cash. What you have been buying has been diluted many times. >Should they ask it would be best to say you use it for your dogs or >horses or plants, yes it does. We don't need the govt. spies in our >business. If ever any one has proved to one and all they have no idea >what they are doing it is these people. > >With Gods love to all >Bob Oh, but in a sad way, I think they do -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
> James: There's a reasonable chance that the HVAC may also produce (along with > CS) structured water which could account for its efficacy at ~1 PPM or > perhaps lower. I think that's pretty exciting. So tell me what's bigger and > better than that? > > Roger I'm still out to lunch on the structured water, as I only have a very basic understanding of it. From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong), water in it's natural form, e.g. lakes, streams, rivers, etc., is structured water. When we put pressure on it and run it through our plumbing, plus possibly when we add chlorine to it, we re-structure it into an unnatural formation (atom wise that is). If this is true, then there is a very simple way to restructure it naturally, and that is to take a pint, a gallon, a drum or whatever amount your heart desires, make sure it is in a clear container that has a wide mouth with no cover and set it in the sun for at least half an hour, and then either leave it in the sun or bring it out of the sun for another 6 hours. From what I understand, it's as simple as that. I don't have the data that was used, because my ex-partner has it all, and he's the one that explained it to me. Supposedly they've done extensive testing on it. What I do know is that for my own personal CS, I use distilled water that I have done the above process to, and I think it turns out a better brew. I can't back it with the hard data, it's just a gut instinct, and a warm fuzzy feeling I get when I drink it :) Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
James Allison wrote: > You said: > > Any atoms of silver which accumulate on the electrode while > it is negative which might cause silver sludge in a DC > process is immediately sent back into the water as a colloid > on the next half cycleas well. > > Why do you think that sludge is formed? > > And I say: > > Hey, I prefaced that whole thing by stating that it was an "opinion". > But I've said it before, and I'll say it again... > > <- begin rant -> > > "In an AC powered operation as some others are promoting, where the > polarity is constantly switched, other undesirable things may happen; > it is known that in all electro-colloidal silver generating processes, > some charge stripping of silver ions does occur as they come in > contact with the cathode, resulting in their gaining electrons, and > the resulting reduction to atomic silver particles (without the charge > that is said to produce the pathogen disabling effect.) In a DC > system, these reduced metallic particles remain as a grayish 'sludge' > buildup on the surface of the cathode, and eventually are very visible > at higher current levels. In a system where the polarity is switched > constantly, this sludge is propelled and dispersed back into the water > continuously, as evidenced by the 'clean electrodes' spoken of. > > When the positively charged silver particles contact the cathode they > gain electrons and become plain old silver again. That is what the > electrode is made of in the first place. Why would the silver get > propelled off? It has no charge, thus has no force from the electric > potential to propel it off as large particles. Instead, it simple > becomes part of the silver of the cathode, to be emitted as a colloid > when it becomes the anode, which involves stripping the electrons off > again. No sludge is formed. > > Mechanical effects of redispersal of plated out silver "sludge" from > the cathode will occur at higher concentrations and especially at > higher currents, especially if AC is used, resulting in much coarser, > uncharged metallic silver particles than may be desired floating about > in your product. > > I still see no way that sludge would be formed. Within 1 cycle of a > silver particle getting deposited onto the cathode and gaining an > electron, it will become the anode, and the atom will lose an electron > or more, become positive, and go out into the water as a Colloidal > suspension. This is no different than any other atom of silver on the > electrode. Sludge is formed by particles accumulating on the cathode > and coalescing, or silver being oxidized on the cathode until they > become so big they fall off from the gravity. Reversal takes place so > quickly particle size can never build up sufficient for the particle > to fall off from gravity. They simply go back out atom by atom, to > become colloid, just like any of the atoms on the silver anode do. > > Filtering with good lab quality filter media may be able to remove > some of this "non-ionic" silver; settling of most of the really larger > particle "clumps" might also occur within 72 hours, I'd estimate, if > the particles are not too fine. > > I get no settling even after a week. I have never seen any sludge in > my HVAC setup, and theoretically I can see no way it can occur. > > I guess the question is this; are the positively charged colloidal > silver ions, (as produced in a DC process), what you want in your > product, or do you want non-charged 'non-ionic' metallic silver > particles, as produced in the AC processes? > > Huh? If they are non-charged and non-ionic they would fall out of > suspension rapidly. They do not. Both DC and AC methods produce > identical CS off the anode. The difference is on the cathode. In the > DC method the silver collects, forms large particles, or react with O, > and eventually falls off as sludge, in the AC process, they go back > out as charged atoms of silver again, just like any of the electrode > would. > > I don't know where you are getting this non-charged idea from, but it > is wrong. > > From what I have researched and what I understand at this time, I'd > stay with Dr. Becker's recommendations myself, and try to produce the > positively charged Colloidal Silver Ions with a DC process. > > Electricity is electricity. When the ions leave the electrode they > are charged. There is no way the ion knows that the anode will become > a cathode later and thus decides to not be charged. > > [To summarize this for the technically inclined] please consider > carefully that, just as positively charged silver ions are generated > into the system at the anode, they are attracted to the negatively > charged cathode. Many stay in the colloidal suspension, but as the > concentration of silver ions build up, and the current flow through > the system increases, more and more silver ions are drawn to, and come > in contact with the cathode. When they do this, they are st
Re: CS>Herbal remedies and FDA
In a message dated 6/21/00 6:49:38 AM Central Daylight Time, gotl...@hotmail.com writes: > ." Herbs may come from a garden rather than a > laboratory, but they "are bioactive substances with the potential to do good > > and the potential to harm," he says. "The bottom line is that they should be > > regulated." > > Watch out for that bottom line... What's wrong with attempting to educate the public? Why must they jump to regulate? There are herbs that require caution, but education can solve these problems rather than force and expensive regulation. I wish they'd stop being our parents and start being our peers. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
In a message dated 6/21/00 2:10:57 PM EST, apothec...@home.com writes: << "In an AC powered operation as some others are promoting, where the polarity is constantly switched, other undesirable things may happen; it is known that in all electro-colloidal silver generating processes, some charge stripping of silver ions does occur as they come in contact with the cathode, resulting in their gaining electrons, and the resulting reduction to atomic silver particles (without the charge that is said to produce the pathogen disabling effect.) In a DC system, these reduced metallic particles remain as a grayish 'sludge' buildup on the surface of the cathode, and eventually are very visible at higher current levels. In a system where the polarity is switched constantly, this sludge is propelled and dispersed back into the water continuously, as evidenced by the 'clean electrodes' spoken of. Mechanical effects of redispersal of plated out silver "sludge" from the cathode will occur at higher concentrations and especially at higher currents, especially if AC is used, resulting in much coarser, uncharged metallic silver particles than may be desired floating about in your product. Filtering with good lab quality filter media may be able to remove some of this "non-ionic" silver; settling of most of the really larger particle "clumps" might also occur within 72 hours, I'd estimate, if the particles are not too fine. I guess the question is this; are the positively charged colloidal silver ions, (as produced in a DC process), what you want in your product, or do you want non-charged 'non-ionic' metallic silver particles, as produced in the AC processes? From what I have researched and what I understand at this time, I'd stay with Dr. Becker's recommendations myself, and try to produce the positively charged Colloidal Silver Ions with a DC process. James: The statement above could be taken as a working hypothesis. Your next step is to produce data which support this argument. Since HVAC CS is stable over time (this is, there's no sludge to drop out so where's the sludge), the weight of the evidence, so far, does NOT support this hypothesis. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
In a message dated 6/21/00 12:16:10 PM EST, apothec...@home.com writes: << Somebody Said... The primary advantage I see off hand is the complete lack of sludge, 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. My Opinion: There is not a "lack of sludge" as the sludge is expelled into the water in such a minute size that it cannot be seen. James: How do you know that a sludge is formed in the first place? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. And yes, all of the silver goes into the colloid, positive charged and otherwise. Are these a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know. Does it work, is it effective? Obviously so. Is it a better product, more effective than LVDC? Maybe if we all agreed that everybodys internal system is different and unique, and maybe, just perhaps, LVDC works better on some peoples systems, and HVAC works better on some peoples systems (as is the case with many healing things), then maybe we can get on with bigger and better things. James: There's a reasonable chance that the HVAC may also produce (along with CS) structured water which could account for its efficacy at ~1 PPM or perhaps lower. I think that's pretty exciting. So tell me what's bigger and better than that? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMODosageOT
I am probably wrong, but here's my math (I think you're overdosing). 0.75gr CMO/200 gr Bodyweight=.00375gr CMO/gr BW. .00375gr CMO/gr BW X 1000/1000= 3.75gr CMO/kilogram. You weigh ~ 50 Kilo thus your max dose should be ~188 gr. If It says on the label a 1000mg dose provides 200mg Cetyl Myristoleate, then 2 caps a DAY would be the dosage. Help me out here guys, either she's way overdosing or I messed up a decimal point. Chuck Shredded Disaster is Murphy Slaw ! On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:12:19 EDT, ritz3...@aol.com wrote: >Hi all, > >Wondering if anyone can help me with CMO dosage. A booklet I have from the >health food store says typical amounts range from 0.05 to 0.75 grams of CMO >per 140 to 200 grams of body weight. Well, I weigh about 105 now if my scale >is accurate just checked. (I'm a shrimpy...smile...about 5 feet >1/2inches.) I tried figuring out the math but my numbers don't seem to be >making any sense at all. Someone told me there are 453.6 grams in a pound. >Anyone know if that is correct? > >I have been taking 2 500mg capsules (1000mg) 3 times a day. It says on the >label a 1000mg dose provides 200mg Cetyl Myristoleate and other mixed fatty >esters.) Anyone have any input on what the right dose for me is? > >Thanks, -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
Kinda a vague term. Is anyone checking their pulse when this happens? Chuck The shortest distance between two puns is a straight line! On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:11:30 -0700, Henry Reed wrote: >I recall reading 'somewhere' that the weak shaky feeling is caused by >parasite(s). Since I started zapping, I don't get the 'weak trembles' >anymore. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
It is always prudent to backtrack when unwanted symptoms occur. You can always start again, perhaps a little at a time to acclimate yourself or find the dose you shouldn't exceed. Chuck The shortest distance between two points has a bridge out! On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:00:16 EDT, ritz3...@aol.com wrote: >I am wondering if maybe I should decrease my dose of CMO. > >Christy > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie
Dave, I am glad to know as I am growing cilantro for the first time---will try! Thanks. (I had learned of those rememdies--nutrients and homeopath--from a doctor friend of mine who practiced alternative medicine. Also, I don't know if you read an earlier post of mine on the "Liquid Needles" product and the success in detoxing mercury along with other metals.) Pam >Pam >I haven't heard of that one however I do take Cilantro Extract and add fresh >Cilantro to my green juice. It is an excellent mercury chelator. > >Dave Perkins > > >- Original Message - >From: Pamela Grant >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:19 PM >Subject: Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie > > >> > Egg yokes have sulphur - every morning, to help chelate out the mercury >> > in >> > > > my system, I have two eggs poached in coconut oil and 4 to 5 cloves >of >> > > > minced garlic (more sulphur) as well as drink Kefir with 4 Tbs. of >Flax >> > Oil. >> >> Spirulina, lipoic acid and N-Acety L-Cysteine are also great for a detox. >> Have you tried the homeopathic " Mercurious Solubis(30C)? >> >> PG >> >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >>
Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie
Here is a thought that might be MUCH more pleasing to taste--however, I do not know if you would get the same results, that is , in the amount of fatty acids: Why not buy flax seeds and grind them in an herb grinder, then just sprinkle on your cottage cheese? I have done this in the past and as for taste, the groundseeds are much more tastey. Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
You said: Any atoms of silver which accumulate on the electrode while it is negative which might cause silver sludge in a DC process is immediately sent back into the water as a colloid on the next half cycleas well. Why do you think that sludge is formed? And I say: Hey, I prefaced that whole thing by stating that it was an "opinion". But I've said it before, and I'll say it again... <- begin rant -> "In an AC powered operation as some others are promoting, where the polarity is constantly switched, other undesirable things may happen; it is known that in all electro-colloidal silver generating processes, some charge stripping of silver ions does occur as they come in contact with the cathode, resulting in their gaining electrons, and the resulting reduction to atomic silver particles (without the charge that is said to produce the pathogen disabling effect.) In a DC system, these reduced metallic particles remain as a grayish 'sludge' buildup on the surface of the cathode, and eventually are very visible at higher current levels. In a system where the polarity is switched constantly, this sludge is propelled and dispersed back into the water continuously, as evidenced by the 'clean electrodes' spoken of. Mechanical effects of redispersal of plated out silver "sludge" from the cathode will occur at higher concentrations and especially at higher currents, especially if AC is used, resulting in much coarser, uncharged metallic silver particles than may be desired floating about in your product. Filtering with good lab quality filter media may be able to remove some of this "non-ionic" silver; settling of most of the really larger particle "clumps" might also occur within 72 hours, I'd estimate, if the particles are not too fine. I guess the question is this; are the positively charged colloidal silver ions, (as produced in a DC process), what you want in your product, or do you want non-charged 'non-ionic' metallic silver particles, as produced in the AC processes? From what I have researched and what I understand at this time, I'd stay with Dr. Becker's recommendations myself, and try to produce the positively charged Colloidal Silver Ions with a DC process. [To summarize this for the technically inclined] please consider carefully that, just as positively charged silver ions are generated into the system at the anode, they are attracted to the negatively charged cathode. Many stay in the colloidal suspension, but as the concentration of silver ions build up, and the current flow through the system increases, more and more silver ions are drawn to, and come in contact with the cathode. When they do this, they are stripped of their positive charge, and 'plate out' on the surface of the cathode as a visible 'sludge', but do not bond to the surface structure - they accumulate as larger groups of loosely bonded, uncharged silver particles. If what I understand Dr. Becker and others to be saying is true, these uncharged silver particles, what I refer to as the 'silver sludge' formed at the cathode, should be removed if possible from your finished product. Using a DC power source, with no polarity reversal, is my strong recommendation (and that of many others) for predictably generating positively charged colloidal silver particles (biologically active silver ions) in your product, while controlling silver 'sludge' dispersal problems. [Note that this DC supply can be produced either from an AC source, rectified, regulated, and filtered, or from a battery supply.] Electroplaters have long known that a well rectified DC power source was required to generate and manipulate metallic ions in their processes to achieve the desired results." <-- end rant --> The above rant was taken from... http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/makecs.htm Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS James Allison wrote: Somebody Said... The primary advantage I see off hand is the complete lack of sludge, 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. My Opinion: There is not a "lack of sludge" as the sludge is expelled into the water in such a minute size that it cannot be seen. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. And yes, all of the silver goes into the colloid, positive charged and otherwise. What is your definition of sludge. 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. I have never seen sludge. I would expect that i
Re: CS>Fwd: CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
In an earlier e-mail I mentioned the list called "stop the poisons" that I wished to join---well, now I have the info for you if any of you are interested: >Send an email to >stopthepoisons-subscr...@egroups.com and I will approve your joining. Same >for the people who are interested in the information also. Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>distilled water OT
Good information on distilled water - to think I used to drink this all the time thinking it was the best water to help my cancer recovery - it was all that I knew at the time. Note: Chet also used to be a big proponent of distilled water EARLY DEATH COMES FROM DRINKING DISTILLED WATER Speaking of natural health gurus, a lot of them will also tell you distilled water is the only water to put in your body. Interestingly enough, most of the so-called experts telling you this are also selling expensive distillers. Well, I drank distilled water for something like five years and did fine with it. But, over the years, I've corresponded with too many people with hair loss and other possible deficiency problems who didn't do well with distilled water long-term. Although I still recommend distilled water for 21-day programs and for detox periods, I no longer think it's the way to go for the rest of your life. It was nice to see some confirmation of my thinking from a medical doctor who specializes in natural health. Check out his article on the dangers of distilled water at: http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm --- Dave Perkins "enjoy being" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
I recall reading 'somewhere' that the weak shaky feeling is caused by parasite(s). Since I started zapping, I don't get the 'weak trembles' anymore. "d.linen" wrote: > > Well, I'm very interested in this because I just got my bottle of CMO > yesterday so I'm just starting to take it. I never had a problem with > MSM etc. so I wasn't anticipating any with CMO either. We shall see. > > Diane > > Judith Thamm wrote: > > > > As you are a diabetic are you using an artificial sweetener in > > anything? One of the side effects of some artificial sweeteners is > > that they send blood sugar out of kilter and cause the >weak/shaky > > > feelings you have described. [Aspartame, NutraSweet, Equal and all > > the other names it goes under.] > > Judith. > > > > > it but it does seem my blood sugar problems are worse than normal. > > For > > > example, yesterday I ate good meals but was still weak/shaky all day > > until I > > > finally ate a who;e bunch of different stuff..one after the other > > late in the > > > evening/night...then felt not shaky finally. I took my CMO before > > bed and > > > woke up shaky a few hours later when i I got up to go to the > > bathroom and > > > when I woke up a number of hours after that I was quite shaky and > > still am. > > > > > > I do know in my Prescription For Nutritional Healing Book that it > > says people > > > with diabetes shouldn't take fish oil b/c of the high fat content > > but I have > > > never had a problem with taking fish oil which I am still taking as > > well as > > > flax oil. Plus, I do not have diabetes...just low blood sugar and a > > > chiropractor thought hyperinsulinemia or something like that what > > ever that > > > means. He just said make sure to get lots of protein. > > > > > > I have been having night sweats which does seem to be for me a die > > off/herx > > > symptom with various things including for example, when starting > > each new > > > antibiotic for Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus. When I started > > Biaxin in > > > addition to the night sweats I felt shaky weak for a number of weeks > > and then > > > it died off and I also was eating more and the first couple nights > > woke up so > > > shaky I had to scarf down a bunch of food. But, still this doesn't > > seem good > > > to me. I also recently have been making sure to take digestive > > enzymes with > > > the CMO (as I have heard recommended) to make sure it is absorbed > > and have > > > been noticing more night sweats. Supposedly studies have shown the > > CMO has > > > prevented arthritis in rats injected with Mycobacterium butyricum > > (also known > > > as Freund's adjuvant) while the other rats injected with the > > organism but > > > that did not get any CMO experienced major symtpoms of arthritic > > > disease.(Journal Of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Vol. 83 (3) March 1994 > > > 296-299)...this came from a booklet I got a the health food > > store..have not > > > seen actual study from journal. > > > > > > I am wondering if maybe I should decrease my dose of CMO. > > > > > > Christy > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > > to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie
Hi Ted I think you may be right ..but it pays to be cautious...I think reducing your toxin intake while useing these devices is a small price to pay for getting well and not a lot of effort eh..that's my thoughts enjoy. Arose Ted Windsor wrote: > I suggest that you read between the lines when it comes to Bob Beck > information, > possibly it may effect some people, I have yet to talk to one who has had a > problem consuming any thing while using the Bob Beck Zapper. Dr. Beck is > terrified of the FDA and puts information on his video tape to keep them off > his > back. > Blessings > Ted > > ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 06/20/2000 9:40:37 AM Central Daylight Time, > > bi...@btinternet.com writes: > > > > << Dr Bob Beck says garlic is poison! His "Zapper" - which functions > > something > > similar to the principles of the apparatus Dr Nelson (Pam) talks about, > > regards Garlic as one of the cardinal sins. Electroporation is alleged to > > turn it into a deadly bullet! (Or did I read it all wrong?) Bill. > > >> > > __ > > > > I hope this isn't this case.I took 500 mg garlic yesterday and am > > zapping as we > > speak. I try to zap 2 hrs a day but do not always take garlic. I did take > > a > > bunch of candida killers yesterday along with the garlic. > > EJ > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Kawasaki/ Dotsie
I suggest that you read between the lines when it comes to Bob Beck information, possibly it may effect some people, I have yet to talk to one who has had a problem consuming any thing while using the Bob Beck Zapper. Dr. Beck is terrified of the FDA and puts information on his video tape to keep them off his back. Blessings Ted ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 06/20/2000 9:40:37 AM Central Daylight Time, > bi...@btinternet.com writes: > > << Dr Bob Beck says garlic is poison! His "Zapper" - which functions > something > similar to the principles of the apparatus Dr Nelson (Pam) talks about, > regards Garlic as one of the cardinal sins. Electroporation is alleged to > turn it into a deadly bullet! (Or did I read it all wrong?) Bill. > >> > __ > > I hope this isn't this case.I took 500 mg garlic yesterday and am > zapping as we > speak. I try to zap 2 hrs a day but do not always take garlic. I did take a > bunch of candida killers yesterday along with the garlic. > EJ > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
James Allison wrote: > Somebody Said... > The primary advantage I see off hand is the complete lack of sludge, > 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. > > > My Opinion: > > There is not a "lack of sludge" as the sludge is expelled > into the water in such a minute size that it cannot be > seen. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not > there. And yes, all of the silver goes into the colloid, > positive charged and otherwise. > What is your definition of sludge. 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. I have never seen sludge. I would expect that if there was any sludge then it would settle out when left standing for several days. This does not happen. Also I see no way sludge could be made using HVAC. Unlike the DC process, there is no population of monotomic O molecules at the electrode to react with the silver, and even if it did, then the hydrogen produced on the other half cycle would strip it off a few milliseconds later leaving a silver atom. Any atoms of silver which accumulate on the electrode while it is negative which might cause silver sludge in a DC process is immediately sent back into the water as a colloid on the next half cycleas well. Why do you think that sludge is formed? Marshall
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
Somebody Said... The primary advantage I see off hand is the complete lack of sludge, 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. My Opinion: There is not a "lack of sludge" as the sludge is expelled into the water in such a minute size that it cannot be seen. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. And yes, all of the silver goes into the colloid, positive charged and otherwise. Are these a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know. Does it work, is it effective? Obviously so. Is it a better product, more effective than LVDC? Maybe if we all agreed that everybodys internal system is different and unique, and maybe, just perhaps, LVDC works better on some peoples systems, and HVAC works better on some peoples systems (as is the case with many healing things), then maybe we can get on with bigger and better things. Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels -
Re: CS>Bob Beck
Doctor of science? That sounds better than my guess. ( Democrat, South Carolina ) David --- Marshall Dudley wrote: > > That would be a doctor of science I believe. > > Marshall > _ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Hi Marshall With the Beck Devices it's just a matter of not taking toxic substances and treat yourself until you have completely recovered...Problems that are not in the blood takes a little longer and the magnetic pulser is required for lymph node and tumor recovery as you have to treat the areas affected...good magnetic power projection is required for the pulser and colloidal silver to help the immune system. Alvin Marshall Dudley wrote: > rob gr wrote: > > > Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to > > come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ > > remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, > > inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any > > and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in > > conjunction with Antibiotics? > > > > thanks, > > rob > > in memphis > > My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a > plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was symptom free > in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the > lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area > then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some swelling had > returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to > completely clear out. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:03:41 EDT, you wrote: >>In a message dated 6/21/00 9:57:00 AM EST, myf...@mwt.net writes: >> >><< Rob, >> >> My main "leftover" Lyme symptoms are neuro. Tiredness, forgetfulness, >> short term memory stuff, etc. >> >> I didn't have a whole lot of inflamation to begin with. >> >> Where are the burning sensations you are getting? >> >>Burning feelings on the soles of your feet can be symptomatic of B vitamin >>definciency. >> >>Sparrow: I am hoping you could elaborate about your last sentence. We use to >>take vitamin B supplements, but we stopped ~ 6 months ago. Now I have a >>burning sensation on the heel of my right foot. It's much worse in the >>morning when I wake up and stant on it for the first time, then subsides >>during the day, but doesn't go away entirely. Any additional thoughts? >> >>Roger plantar fascitis or heel spur -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
Fred wrote: > Yes, and it would also apply to the "weird science HVAC process", > which sadly > none of the "inventors or re-discoverers" can explain - just claiming > it is better! What is it that cannot be explained? I am not aware of any great mystery about it. The primary advantage I see off hand is the complete lack of sludge, 100% of the silver goes into the colloid. And yes that can be explained, I have already done so on this list previously. Marshall
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
rob gr wrote: > Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to > come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ > remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, > inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any > and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in > conjunction with Antibiotics? > > thanks, > rob > in memphis My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone, but hit a plateau. She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was symptom free in about 2 months. The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar on the lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of one area then move on to another area. By the time she was through, some swelling had returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of work to completely clear out. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Virus alert : LIFE_STAGES.TXT.SHS
I got two copies of that worm day before yesterday. Since I use Netscape instead of outlook express, and I didn't open the attachments, I didn't get it. Now that I know what it is, I will delete the emails. Thanks, Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: > New virus alert folks, > > Better safe than sorry. > > Ivan. > > Virus Characteristics > *Update - June 19,2000: > AVERT has raised the ARA for this Internet worm from LOW to HIGH based > on the number of samples received. We recommend ensuring that .SHS file > extensions are included in all scanning programs. > > This is a multi-application Internet worm which is designed with intent > to spread using one of four spreading mechanisms. This worm takes > advantage of installations of Pirch, Outlook, mIRC, and also spreads to > available mapped drives. > > This Internet worm was first announced on the author's website and has > not been seen at a customer site as of this description posting. > > This worm may arrive by email in the following format: > > Subject: [P1]+[P2]+[P3] > Body: > The male and female stages of life. > Attachment: LIFE_STAGES.TXT.SHS > > In the above, the subject line is variable, but limited to 12 possible > combinations. P1, P2 & P3 are chosen from the respective lists below: > > P1 -» "FW: ", "" > P2 -» "Life stages", "Funny", "Jokes" > P3 -» " text", "" > > Examples: > Subject = "Funny" > Subject = "FW: Jokes text" > Subject = "Life stages" > > http://vil.nai.com/villib/dispvirus.asp?virus_k=98668 > > If you have Microsoft Outlook installed on your computer (probably those > with Office installed) even if you do not use it as your email client, > you may need to install the Outlook update: > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q264/5/19.asp > > Outlook updates : > > http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloadDetails/Out98sec.htm > > http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/Out2ksec.htm > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
In a message dated 6/21/00 9:57:00 AM EST, myf...@mwt.net writes: << Rob, My main "leftover" Lyme symptoms are neuro. Tiredness, forgetfulness, short term memory stuff, etc. I didn't have a whole lot of inflamation to begin with. Where are the burning sensations you are getting? Burning feelings on the soles of your feet can be symptomatic of B vitamin definciency. Sparrow: I am hoping you could elaborate about your last sentence. We use to take vitamin B supplements, but we stopped ~ 6 months ago. Now I have a burning sensation on the heel of my right foot. It's much worse in the morning when I wake up and stant on it for the first time, then subsides during the day, but doesn't go away entirely. Any additional thoughts? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bob Beck
That would be a doctor of science I believe. Marshall blue_eyes wrote: > Hi Marshall and all, > > If you go to: > http://www.explorepub.com/articles/beck/hiv_article.html > > You can see: "Copyright 1996 by Robert C. Beck, D.Sc." > > I forget what D.Sc. means.. > > David > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > > Yes, he was a physicist, but I do not know if he had only a masters or a > > doctors degree. > > > > Marshall > > _ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New list member with a another question
Good points Alvin - I'm off to the local food gadget store. Thanks Dave Perkins "enjoy being" - Original Message - From: Alvin Rose To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: Re: CS>New list member with a another question > I don't know if there is a chemical reaction between stainless steel and > colloidal silver but it certainly won't insert all of the impurities as would > occur through a paper coffee filter and other methods..there are design > plans on the net for c/s generators where the negative electrode is stainless > steel..I use the ss filter and it does the job for me.as it removes all of the > particles and ppm tests are identical...with a coffee filter the ppm readings > can be quite different. > > Dave Perkins wrote: > > > Thanks Alvin, it sounds like a simple enough solution, however, I thought > > letting CS come in contact with any metal was a no no. > > > > Dave Perkins > > "enjoy being" > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Alvin Rose > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:24 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>New list member with a another question > > > > > Hi David > > > use a ultra fine mesh stainless steel coffee filter will get > > > rid of your problem..they are easy to buy and are available > > > in most supermarkets where coffee machines and parts are sold > > > > > > Dave Perkins wrote: > > > > > > > Where do you get filters that don't add any bad stuff but effectively > > get > > > > rid of any "gunk". I know there shouldn't be gunk but nobody is > > perfect. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Dave Perkins > > > > "enjoy being" > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Fred > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:23 PM > > > > Subject: CS>New list member with a another question > > > > > > > > > Third responder - coffee filters tend to ADD PPM of undesirable stuff, > > > > > and the "Brew Rite" brand produces photosensitive silver salts! You > > > > > will get a dark Cs mix if left in the sun for an hour! Guess your > > plants > > > > > won't care, but don't drink it! > > > > > > > > > > f...@health2us.com > > > > > > > > > > At 03:26 AM 6/19/2000, you wrote: > > > > > >Filtration has with some CS in the past been shown to reduce PPM. > > > > > >James Osbourne Holmes > > > > > >a...@trail.com > > > > > >FTNWO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > > > > >From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:05 PM > > > > > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > >Subject:Re: CS>New list member with a another question > > > > > > > > > > > >Don't be too quick to discard "bad batches". > > > > > >Filter thru a coffee filter if you want to, and use it for household > > > > purposes. > > > > > >Plants, garbage cans, shower curtains, etc... > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > >186,000 mps--it's not the law, it's just a challenge! > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:14:11 -0500, Pamela Grant > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have read a few mailings that pertained to size of CS particles. > > I > > > > had > > > > > > >become concerned(not a lot, however) that my solution , at times, > > did > > > > not > > > > > > >look "healthy". Whatever I mean by that--the solution at times > > became > > > > > > >gray---even toward black--IF I left it running too long. Is there > > any > > > > > > >danger in this that anyone knows? Or should I, when that happens, > > just > > > > > > >throw out and start over--paying better attention to the time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > > to: > > > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Rob, My main "leftover" Lyme symptoms are neuro. Tiredness, forgetfulness, short term memory stuff, etc. I didn't have a whole lot of inflamation to begin with. Where are the burning sensations you are getting? Burning feelings on the soles of your feet can be symptomatic of B vitamin definciency. Sparrow >Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there. For those trying to >come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw improvement/ >remission? also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations, >inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this resolve any >and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in >conjunction with Antibiotics? > >thanks, >rob >in memphis > > > >>From: "Scharbach" >>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme >>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:23:56 -0700 >> >>I know James. But so is Lyme.:~( Sometimes, somethings are worth >>the risk. >> >>Sparrow >> >> >> >> >Flagyl is toxic as hell. Read the PDR. >> > >> >James Osbourne Holmes >> >a...@trail.com >> >FTNWO >> >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >
Re: CS>cyst lyme/babesia,erlichiosis
Christy, Right now I'm taking very little. Some herbal teas, Pau d'arco, Essiac, and a cleansing tea. Soon though, I'll be starting back on, CS, grapefruit seed extract, MSM, B vitamin supplements, a good multivitamin, Blue green algae, and vitamin C. This seems to keep the neuro lyme symptoms well under control, and helps some with joint pain and body aches. The reason for the break in routine, is really simple, and kind of dumb. I got to the point where I couldn't choke down all the capsules I was taking!! Sparrow >So, have you tried those drugs again or just sticking with CS? Also, know >much about babsesia and erlichiosis? Do you know if Cs should work for those >also? > >Thanks, > >Christy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
Well, I'm very interested in this because I just got my bottle of CMO yesterday so I'm just starting to take it. I never had a problem with MSM etc. so I wasn't anticipating any with CMO either. We shall see. Diane Judith Thamm wrote: > > As you are a diabetic are you using an artificial sweetener in > anything? One of the side effects of some artificial sweeteners is > that they send blood sugar out of kilter and cause the >weak/shaky > > feelings you have described. [Aspartame, NutraSweet, Equal and all > the other names it goes under.] > Judith. > > > it but it does seem my blood sugar problems are worse than normal. > For > > example, yesterday I ate good meals but was still weak/shaky all day > until I > > finally ate a who;e bunch of different stuff..one after the other > late in the > > evening/night...then felt not shaky finally. I took my CMO before > bed and > > woke up shaky a few hours later when i I got up to go to the > bathroom and > > when I woke up a number of hours after that I was quite shaky and > still am. > > > > I do know in my Prescription For Nutritional Healing Book that it > says people > > with diabetes shouldn't take fish oil b/c of the high fat content > but I have > > never had a problem with taking fish oil which I am still taking as > well as > > flax oil. Plus, I do not have diabetes...just low blood sugar and a > > chiropractor thought hyperinsulinemia or something like that what > ever that > > means. He just said make sure to get lots of protein. > > > > I have been having night sweats which does seem to be for me a die > off/herx > > symptom with various things including for example, when starting > each new > > antibiotic for Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus. When I started > Biaxin in > > addition to the night sweats I felt shaky weak for a number of weeks > and then > > it died off and I also was eating more and the first couple nights > woke up so > > shaky I had to scarf down a bunch of food. But, still this doesn't > seem good > > to me. I also recently have been making sure to take digestive > enzymes with > > the CMO (as I have heard recommended) to make sure it is absorbed > and have > > been noticing more night sweats. Supposedly studies have shown the > CMO has > > prevented arthritis in rats injected with Mycobacterium butyricum > (also known > > as Freund's adjuvant) while the other rats injected with the > organism but > > that did not get any CMO experienced major symtpoms of arthritic > > disease.(Journal Of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Vol. 83 (3) March 1994 > > 296-299)...this came from a booklet I got a the health food > store..have not > > seen actual study from journal. > > > > I am wondering if maybe I should decrease my dose of CMO. > > > > Christy > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
As you are a diabetic are you using an artificial sweetener in anything? One of the side effects of some artificial sweeteners is that they send blood sugar out of kilter and cause the >weak/shaky > feelings you have described. [Aspartame, NutraSweet, Equal and all the other names it goes under.] Judith. > it but it does seem my blood sugar problems are worse than normal. For > example, yesterday I ate good meals but was still weak/shaky all day until I > finally ate a who;e bunch of different stuff..one after the other late in the > evening/night...then felt not shaky finally. I took my CMO before bed and > woke up shaky a few hours later when i I got up to go to the bathroom and > when I woke up a number of hours after that I was quite shaky and still am. > > I do know in my Prescription For Nutritional Healing Book that it says people > with diabetes shouldn't take fish oil b/c of the high fat content but I have > never had a problem with taking fish oil which I am still taking as well as > flax oil. Plus, I do not have diabetes...just low blood sugar and a > chiropractor thought hyperinsulinemia or something like that what ever that > means. He just said make sure to get lots of protein. > > I have been having night sweats which does seem to be for me a die off/herx > symptom with various things including for example, when starting each new > antibiotic for Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus. When I started Biaxin in > addition to the night sweats I felt shaky weak for a number of weeks and then > it died off and I also was eating more and the first couple nights woke up so > shaky I had to scarf down a bunch of food. But, still this doesn't seem good > to me. I also recently have been making sure to take digestive enzymes with > the CMO (as I have heard recommended) to make sure it is absorbed and have > been noticing more night sweats. Supposedly studies have shown the CMO has > prevented arthritis in rats injected with Mycobacterium butyricum (also known > as Freund's adjuvant) while the other rats injected with the organism but > that did not get any CMO experienced major symtpoms of arthritic > disease.(Journal Of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Vol. 83 (3) March 1994 > 296-299)...this came from a booklet I got a the health food store..have not > seen actual study from journal. > > I am wondering if maybe I should decrease my dose of CMO. > > Christy > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>New list member with a another question
I don't know if there is a chemical reaction between stainless steel and colloidal silver but it certainly won't insert all of the impurities as would occur through a paper coffee filter and other methods..there are design plans on the net for c/s generators where the negative electrode is stainless steel..I use the ss filter and it does the job for me.as it removes all of the particles and ppm tests are identical...with a coffee filter the ppm readings can be quite different. Dave Perkins wrote: > Thanks Alvin, it sounds like a simple enough solution, however, I thought > letting CS come in contact with any metal was a no no. > > Dave Perkins > "enjoy being" > > - Original Message - > From: Alvin Rose > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: CS>New list member with a another question > > > Hi David > > use a ultra fine mesh stainless steel coffee filter will get > > rid of your problem..they are easy to buy and are available > > in most supermarkets where coffee machines and parts are sold > > > > Dave Perkins wrote: > > > > > Where do you get filters that don't add any bad stuff but effectively > get > > > rid of any "gunk". I know there shouldn't be gunk but nobody is > perfect. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Dave Perkins > > > "enjoy being" > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Fred > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:23 PM > > > Subject: CS>New list member with a another question > > > > > > > Third responder - coffee filters tend to ADD PPM of undesirable stuff, > > > > and the "Brew Rite" brand produces photosensitive silver salts! You > > > > will get a dark Cs mix if left in the sun for an hour! Guess your > plants > > > > won't care, but don't drink it! > > > > > > > > f...@health2us.com > > > > > > > > At 03:26 AM 6/19/2000, you wrote: > > > > >Filtration has with some CS in the past been shown to reduce PPM. > > > > >James Osbourne Holmes > > > > >a...@trail.com > > > > >FTNWO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > > > >From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] > > > > >Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:05 PM > > > > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > >Subject:Re: CS>New list member with a another question > > > > > > > > > >Don't be too quick to discard "bad batches". > > > > >Filter thru a coffee filter if you want to, and use it for household > > > purposes. > > > > >Plants, garbage cans, shower curtains, etc... > > > > > Chuck > > > > >186,000 mps--it's not the law, it's just a challenge! > > > > > > > > > >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:14:11 -0500, Pamela Grant > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I have read a few mailings that pertained to size of CS particles. > I > > > had > > > > > >become concerned(not a lot, however) that my solution , at times, > did > > > not > > > > > >look "healthy". Whatever I mean by that--the solution at times > became > > > > > >gray---even toward black--IF I left it running too long. Is there > any > > > > > >danger in this that anyone knows? Or should I, when that happens, > just > > > > > >throw out and start over--paying better attention to the time? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > >
CS>Herbal remedies and FDA
Watch out for those Experts!!! Herbal Remedies: Helpful or Harmful? Experts Call for Government Regulation of Alternative Medicines By Liza Jane Maltin WebMD Medical News June 12, 2000 -- Americans are turning more and more often to herbal remedies as a natural alternative to drugs. But before you head off to the health food store for that bottle of St. John's wort or kava kava, you should know that natural does not necessarily mean safer. In fact, evidence is mounting that some of the most popular herbs can have serious side effects. Now, a team of researchers has collected all the information available -- from clinical trial results to FDA warnings to individual physician's reports -- on several of the most widely used herbs, and created a set of guidelines that doctors and patients can use to protect themselves. Their complete report appears in the Spring issue of the Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience. "The bottom line is that these herbal medications are purported to be harmless, but that's an incorrect myth. [Reports about individuals] and letters to the editors in various medical journals have documented that these are in fact not harmless," says lead author W. Curt LaFrance Jr., MD, who is with the departments of neurology and psychiatry at Brown University School of Medicine in Providence, R.I. St. John's wort, for example, which can indeed be useful in mild or moderate depression, has now been implicated in heart transplant rejection. Apparently, LaFrance explains, the herb can render anti-rejection drugs ineffective. Kava kava, which has been shown to successfully relieve insomnia and anxiety, can also cause patients on various psychiatric drugs like Valium and Librium to become severely disoriented. And the list of side effects and drug interactions continues to grow. Unlike prescription drugs, which are closely regulated by the FDA, herbal products are considered food and are not required to undergo rigorous animal and human testing before being placed on the market. It is entirely up to the consumer to seek out information before deciding to take an herbal product, but most consumers are not doing the research. And they're not talking to their doctors, either, LaFrance tells WebMD. Although doctors should be making every effort to learn exactly which drugs -- chemical or herbal -- their patients are taking, patients must do their part as well, says LaFrance. People worry that their doctor will scoff at their use of an alternative medicine, he says, so they put themselves at unnecessary risk by not mentioning it. "I think there is potential for these herbal medications, so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water," says LaFrance. "But it needs to be cautiously monitored." Herbs may come from a garden rather than a laboratory, but they "are bioactive substances with the potential to do good and the potential to harm," he says. "The bottom line is that they should be regulated." Watch out for that bottom line... From: "d.linen" Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>NY Board of Health checked my CS/Diane Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:39:55 -0500 samma...@aol.com wrote: > > I agree - and I don't foresee mainstream medical people getting on board > anytime soon - mostly because it seems difficult for them to believe that > something inexpensive and wonderfully useful could have been supressed all > these years. I think they really believe their "science" and the industries > borne from it have a higher moral fiber than that. Maybe I'm overreacting > but I'm just glad Dotsie isn't in deep trouble over this. :( For sure, Samantha. I can't quite imagine how awful it must have been for Dotsie to think her CS caused a problem and having it checked out by the BOH. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: CS>Bruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
In a message dated 6/21/00 0:26:27 AM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: << Fred: What did Harry Truman say about heat in the kitchen...? > You are as sympathetic as my ex - do you ever have any compasion, at all? Fred: We're supposed to be having a logical exchange of ideas which means you should devoted the time required to provide a considered opinion. Anyone who is putting in the kind of hours you are doing disserves my and everyone elses compassion. Perhaps you should step back and ask yourself is this (situation) what I want out of life right now, or am I working myself into a basket case for some improvement in the future? > "Fred: I was wondering of the people who produce LVDC CS, what percentage of > the time do they see a degradation (deeper color, black silver powder > dropping out, etc.) of their product over time? Perhaps, Fred, you'd like to > carry the ball on this one by repeating this question every time you post > something. > > Respectfully, Roger" > > Thanks for the "Respectfully", but I am annoying enough already to some, > to want to keep repeating myself! I can give you a general answer from > both the questions posted and my experience! > > The simpler setups with no circulation and normal electrode spacing > will have the problem, as a dense ion cloud forms and promotes > nucleation/crystallization and there are generally conductive "stringers" > that form to the bottom and or negative electrode. It is more often > referred to as slimy stings and never as a powder, unless disturbed > (shaken) violently. The fall out may be immediate and prolonged, as > the many nucleation sites allow continued degradation. Very operator > and process dependent (and phase of the moon). > >Fred: I think you explained very well my main complaint with this very >popular and related LVDC CS methods. Yes, and it would also apply to the "weird science HVAC process", which sadly none of the "inventors or re-discoverers" can explain - just claiming it is better! Fred: Well, as I see it I, you (you've taken the role of debunker which is fine because we need a cummugion to make us think up answers to your questions) and some others are working hard attempting to uncover HVAC CS secrets. The fact that it can work so effectively a ~1 PPM without knowing exactly why should not deter us. After all, we can't explain a lot of phenomena, but we take advantage of many of them non the less. >Those that use batteries often report crystal clear product, when the >batteries are dead! (Really, I heard it reported a few times - one kind soul >even offered to provide a "time to replace battery" email service.) > > The some what popular "reversing polarity" process prevents the > stringers and tends to blow the reduced ions off the negative electrode > and they will in time settle as a dark powder. Looks a lot better tho' > and could be a better product if done right. > >Fred: Yes, we hear that key phrase again, "if done right". Seems to fit everything in life - they all have a right and wrong way - only the individual can make that choice. I chose LVDC and you HVAC! Fred: I think you're missing the point. If it is easy to make bad LVDC CS then that's a practical drawback of the LVDC method. >I expect it is closer to a HV setup - more atoms then ions - but can not >count them! > > The better approach of very light circulation prevents crystal growth and > or stringers but there are often a few "curls" of reduced ion growth that > will fall from the negative and settle immediately to the bottom. We just > decant, to avoid it. > >Fred: Ah, but can you be sure you don't have large clusters remaining, ready >to flocculate into larger units (and drop out) tomorrow, in two weeks, two >months ...? I got LVDC Cs! Would 18 month old product with no settlement or reduction in TDS satisfy you! Fred: Is everyone as fortunate as you? >Those that like power and use excessive circulation will produce results the >same as polarity reversals, ripping reduced ions free. > > The problems are much worse (and more often posted) with small area > electrodes (wire) vs. wide strips or bars. A critical element, ignored by > most, is the need to keep the current density low - stringers of course > totally defeat that goal and crystal growth accelerates with higher current > density. > >Fred: Practically speaking, how many non-engineers or non-scientifically bent >LVDC CS makers will appreciate this excellent point? How many reading your >comments really know what you are talking about? How many are swallowing a >poor product right now that may not only have inferior bioavailability, but >could constitute some longer term health risk? Do your own annoying surveys, it is too hot in my kitchen! Fred: Touchy, touchy. I do believe only the substance abusers (Cs by the quart or wacky unknown 500PPM stuff) risk their healt
