Re: CSmold/fungus questions - Spray ingredients

[Rowena]

I'm no expert, Claire, but I use pretty much the same mix in anything and on 
anything.
The quantities vary according to whether I am just topping up a spray bottle 
that is running low or starting from scratch.  And I would think about 
recording my quantities a few days later, when I have forgotten how much of 
what I put when.
I'm not terribly happy about using plastic bottles, which get such bad 
press, but that's 2006 for you.
I think Daddybob's description of his use of a Xylitol-containing mix and 
his sinus clearing is a classic.  It got me using Xylitol, that's for sure.
Personally, I think I would use just the chemicals in the standard mix, and 
add the vegetable ones at time of use.  Just cautious, I suppose.  Others 
would know better than I.
No advice on quantities; I do everything by instinct based on what I vaguely 
remember from the silverlist.  Again, others with the right kind of brain 
could advise here.
As for solids - as much as will dissolve in the liquid.  Yes, it can taste 
strong.  I can always dilute with CS if I want to, but I tend not to.  It's 
only one or two or three sprays at a time, after all.  I breathe in at the 
time, then out through my nose.  I also spray up the nose when I'm brave 
enough or accurate enough, or around the outside of my nose if I'm not 
(accurate enough).  Similarly, in and around the ears.

If I were starting from scratch now I would have CS as the liquid, or 
CS/Himalayan salt brine, with MSM and any other crystalline ingredients 
dissolved in it, eg Xylitol, possibly a touch of Borax, or any other kind of 
salt or solid I wanted to add for whatever reason.
I know Sol doesn't like me to put salt and CS in the same mix - but I'm not 
likely to use two sprays, and I want salt as well as CS.  Very small 
quantities being used here, anyway, as Terry commented once.
Then I would add my DMSO and H2O2, with quantities according to how brave I 
felt at the time.  Sorry, but I'm practicing for when I'm a really old lady.
Then a few days later, when I remember what I forgot to put in, I add 
however much I can.  Scientific as that.
Why be tense?  Look at it as an art form.  What happened when medicine 
stopped being an art?

Yeah, meals are often an adventure at my house, too.  Other times they're 
just a chore.

Rowena
Ken Uzzell on his site has a freely downloadable program and database of 
frequencies, including mold and fungus (and viruses and bacteria and myco 
plasm and and and...)


For lungs: I just got a nebulizer  am planning to nebulize CS w/MSM (1/4
tsp. MSM dissolved in 2 oz. CS). I'm wondering about also using Oil of
Oregano, Grapefruit Seed Extract  Tea Tree Oil either separately or in some
combination(s),  how much to use (what measurements).

For sinuses: I know some of you have used Xylitol dissolved in CS - is it
1/4 tsp. dissolved in 2 oz CS? Any other suggestions? (Hydrogen peroxide?)

for ears: Xylitol/CS?


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CSiron overload

[zeb caffe]

Trudy, somewhere I have some information on that subject. I will look for it 
and get back to you. About the iron overload, Did your doctors suggest  having 
blood taken from him on a monthly basis for a while? It is important that your 
son does not take vitamins with iron in them or to much vitamin C as this 
vitamin causes iron absorbtion.

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CSporphyria

[zeb caffe]

If y ou google the word porphyria, there is tons of information on this 
disease. There is also a foundation that you can write to.
  www.porphyriafoundation.com


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Re: CSmold/fungus questions - Frex link

[Rowena]

This is the link for the freely dowloadable program and database of 
frequencies for mold, fungus, bacteria, etc. (work through the alphabet, if 
you like).

free program called Frex.
 http://heal-me.com.au  Go to Frex (frequencies).

There is also a discussion group
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frexchat/
and Ken sends announcements /news / updates on 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Frex/ 


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Re: CSLink to story on germ development

[Rowena]

http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?ch=biotechsc=id=16485pg=1
... Serguei Popov, who for nearly two decades developed genetically 
engineered biological weapons for the Soviet Union,
...
Work that was done by massive numbers of scientists in Soviet days can be 
done very quickly by computer now.

R 


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Re: CSTo Ode: Colloidal Copper questions

[Sam Mureno]

Hi DaddyBob.
I will try and answer those question for you.
Make yourself some electrodes from 12 gauge or better yet 10 gauge, 10 gauge
will fit better in the silverpup sockets otherwise you need to mash the
copper down a bit to hold in the sockets.. You can make them straight or
u-turned, copper  is totally different in the way it produces CC than
silver. The auto off wont work with CC the same as CS so you wiill need to
eyeball it. I have made CC before with Odes unit with the  light bulb
style. If memory serves me right on pint takes 4-5 hours. Check the tendall
effect as you go, Its making something and all you got is copper and
distilled water. Im not Ode but hes my mentor as many on this list are.
Anything that you can add Ode?

Sam


On 6/18/06, ransley rans...@atmc.net wrote:


Ode-

I need to try making CC with your unit that I have (the light bulb base
style). If I simply make myself a couple of electrodes from 12 gauge
copper
wire...

Should I make them straight or u-turned like your silver electrodes?

When I make it, will the unit shut itself off at the right time or do I
need
to time it?

I will be using the product externally. If it works, I'll have quite a
story
to tell. If it doesn't, not much lost in trying.

Thanks, DaddyBob



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CSUnidentified subject!

[Mike Devour]

Dear Trudy,

Welcome to the list. I hope we'll be able to give you at least a little
help for your son.

You write:

 My son has been diagnosed with variegate porphyria with 'iron overload'.
 He is experiencing extreme stomach pain; the skin on his hands is easily
 broken, bleed and scar and now blistering. There does not seem to be much
 information on this conditon, related symptoms or successful treatment.
 His doctor has offered little information.more testing.
 Is there any one on this group familiar with this 'condition' that could
 help.

I just did a Google search. This article describes VP as an inherited
disorder...

http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic450.htm

The summary description I found interesting:

Causes: VP arises from autosomal dominant inheritance of a gene mutation
encoding a defective protoporphyrinogen oxidase enzyme protein with
resultant deficient activity at approximately 50% of normal activity. The
disease in most individuals with such a mutation remains clinically
silent, but these persons are at risk of becoming symptomatic if exposed
to environmental factors, most often drugs that can induce overt
phenotypical expression.

Translated to plain english, this is a genetic condition carried on a
dominant gene that causes an important enzyme system to screw up, that
usually remains dormant unless triggered by something in the environment,
such as a drug. grrr

With that as a guide, has your son recently been exposed to any novel
environmental factors such as a new drug, chemicals, dental work, or
anything else you can think of that might have stressed him?

CS might be applicable to some of the side effects of the condition,
since it kills germs and might promote healing. I think you need to
consider what's triggering it.

Please keep us informed. You'll be in my prayers.

Be well,

Mike D.

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CSPorphyria, for Trudy...

[Mike Devour]

I'm sending this again, *with* a subject line. Sorry for the duplicate...

Dear Trudy,

Welcome to the list. I hope we'll be able to give you at least a little
help for your son.

You write:

 My son has been diagnosed with variegate porphyria with 'iron overload'.
 He is experiencing extreme stomach pain; the skin on his hands is easily
 broken, bleed and scar and now blistering. There does not seem to be much
 information on this conditon, related symptoms or successful treatment.
 His doctor has offered little information.more testing.
 Is there any one on this group familiar with this 'condition' that could
 help.

I just did a Google search. This article describes VP as an inherited
disorder...

http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic450.htm

The summary description I found interesting:

Causes: VP arises from autosomal dominant inheritance of a gene mutation
encoding a defective protoporphyrinogen oxidase enzyme protein with
resultant deficient activity at approximately 50% of normal activity. The
disease in most individuals with such a mutation remains clinically
silent, but these persons are at risk of becoming symptomatic if exposed
to environmental factors, most often drugs that can induce overt
phenotypical expression.

Translated to plain english, this is a genetic condition carried on a
dominant gene that causes an important enzyme system to screw up, that
usually remains dormant unless triggered by something in the environment,
such as a drug. grrr

With that as a guide, has your son recently been exposed to any novel
environmental factors such as a new drug, chemicals, dental work, or
anything else you can think of that might have stressed him?

CS might be applicable to some of the side effects of the condition,
since it kills germs and might promote healing. I think you need to
consider what's triggering it.

Please keep us informed. You'll be in my prayers.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CSNEED HELP...Porphyria

[Ode Coyote]

Selenuim is a toxic mercury like metal and should be used with care.
 However, it plays a big role in virtually all trace minerals regulation 
and it's very important to have 'enough'.

 Have Selenium levels checked by the Doc.
 Some foods may supply Selenium.

Good sources of selenium in your diet, include: wheat germ, seafood and 
shellfish, beef liver and kidney, eggs, sunflower and sesame seeds, brazil 
nuts, mushrooms, garlic, onions, and kelp.


  [ode]

CONCLUSIONS: Vitamin E and selenium function synergistically in the 
myocardium to provide important antioxidant defenses in iron-overload 
states, including increased concentrations of selenium, increased 
glutathione peroxidase activity and decreased concentrations of iron.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=9706279dopt=Abstract


At 12:30 AM 6/19/2006 -0600, you wrote:


I have never posted before...hope I am doing it right..
My son has been diagnosed with variegate porphyria with 'iron overload'.
He is experiencing extreme stomach pain; the skin on his hands is easily 
broken, bleed and scar and now blistering. There does not seem to be much 
information on this conditon, related symptoms or successful treatment. 
His doctor has offered little information.more testing.

Is there any one on this group familiar with this 'condition' that could help.
Thanks,
Trudy


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Re: CSTo Ode: Colloidal Copper questions

[Ode Coyote]

At 12:40 AM 6/20/2006 -0700, you wrote:


Hi DaddyBob.
I will try and answer those question for you.
Make yourself some electrodes from 12 gauge or better yet 10 gauge, 10 
gauge will fit better in the silverpup sockets otherwise you need to mash 
the copper down a bit to hold in the sockets.. You can make them straight 
or u-turned, copper  is totally different in the way it produces CC than 
silver. The auto off wont work with CC the same as CS so you wiill need to 
eyeball it. I have made CC before with Odes unit with the  light bulb 
style. If memory serves me right on pint takes 4-5 hours. Check the 
tendall  effect as you go, Its making something and all you got is copper 
and distilled water. Im not Ode but hes my mentor as many on this list 
are. Anything that you can add Ode?


Sam



Yea.
 CC won't go over around 3 uS...ever.  So, the auto off and meters are 
absolutely useless with CC.

#10 [10 gauge] copper wire is the 'thang'
 Electrical Industry standards makes sure that copper wiring is pretty 
darned pure stuff.


 Shelf like for CC is about 1 to 2 weeks.  It oxidizes and falls out of 
suspension over time as a grey/green deposit.
 If you drop a piece of copper in CS, it'll pull every little bit of 
silver out of the water and drop it as a fuzzy black mass that smears 
silver under pressure.


Ode




On 6/18/06, ransley mailto:rans...@atmc.netrans...@atmc.net  wrote:

Ode-

I need to try making CC with your unit that I have (the light bulb base
style). If I simply make myself a couple of electrodes from 12 gauge copper
wire...

Should I make them straight or u-turned like your silver electrodes?

When I make it, will the unit shut itself off at the right time or do I need
to time it?

I will be using the product externally. If it works, I'll have quite a story
to tell. If it doesn't, not much lost in trying.

Thanks, DaddyBob



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RE: CSTo Ode: Colloidal Copper questions

[ransley]

Sam- Thanks for that! Ode has replied off list and your info compliments
his. Daddybob

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From: Sam Mureno [mailto:one...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:41 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTo Ode: Colloidal Copper questions


Hi DaddyBob. 
I will try and answer those question for you. 
Make yourself some electrodes from 12 gauge or better yet 10 gauge, 10 gauge
will fit better in the silverpup sockets otherwise you need to mash the
copper down a bit to hold in the sockets.. You can make them straight or
u-turned, copper  is totally different in the way it produces CC than
silver. The auto off wont work with CC the same as CS so you wiill need to
eyeball it. I have made CC before with Odes unit with the  light bulb
style. If memory serves me right on pint takes 4-5 hours. Check the tendall
effect as you go, Its making something and all you got is copper and
distilled water. Im not Ode but hes my mentor as many on this list are.
Anything that you can add Ode?

Sam 

RE: CSProbiotics

[debbiegerard99]

Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you 
would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company 
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 

 Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural 
 live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or 
 actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search 
 yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... 
 works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made 
 in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut 
 milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, 
 water and tea. 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm 
 
 free Tibicos 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD; 
 ProdID=50 
 
 
 live free and healthy 
 
 Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist  Medicinal Herbalist 
 http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com 
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM 
 To: silver list; Georgia 
 Subject: CSProbiotics 
 
 
 Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
 has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
 bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
 styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
 quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
 that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
 Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
 
 Pat 
 
 
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Re: CSProbiotics

[debbiegerard99]

I wouldn't suggest soy milk but use either rice or almond milkhave you 
tried those?thanks debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com 

 I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's 
 interesting. But anyway, my son is lactose 
 intolerant. He did fine on breast milk, but once that 
 was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to 
 tolerate milk. 
 
 Pat 
 
 
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Re: CSProbiotics

[debbiegerard99]

I would encourage him to back off a little on the dosage untill his body got 
use to it a little bit sounds like the product is doing it's job killing off 
the bad yeastdid he call the company?if you want to contact me off line 
Pat I use to have IBS too and got rid of itdebbie

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From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com 

 Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
 has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
 bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
 styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
 quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
 that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
 Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
 
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Re: CSmold/fungus questions

[debbiegerard99]

I use h202 drops in my ears lay on each side and let it hiss and pop totally 
painless in the ears.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: claire shaw cla...@jazznsamba.com 
I need help to get rid of mold/fungus in my sinuses, ears and lungs. 

For lungs: I just got a nebulizer  am planning to nebulize CS w/MSM (1/4
tsp. MSM dissolved in 2 oz. CS). I'm wondering about also using Oil of
Oregano, Grapefruit Seed Extract  Tea Tree Oil either separately or in some
combination(s),  how much to use (what measurements). 

For sinuses: I know some of you have used Xylitol dissolved in CS - is it
1/4 tsp. dissolved in 2 oz CS? Any other suggestions? (Hydrogen peroxide?) 

for ears: Xylitol/CS? 

I know this has been discussed here  I did save a few posts (which is where
I got the above ideas), but that was before I knew I had this particular
problem so I hope you don't mind revisiting this topic. I am getting to the
desperation point with all this. 

I was extremely ill with a serious yeast overgrowth/infestation since last
October. After visits to various naturopaths, following a strict diet 
much experimentation with treatment I finally have that under control but
the other problems remain. I have done a 3 week cleanse to get rid of the 
toxins. 

Drs. thought at the time the lung problem was due to the
yeast overgrowth. I now feel it was related/exacerbated by it but that it is a
separate mold issue. (I was unknowingly exposed to mold, probably
aspergillus sp? a couple of years ago.) I am quite certain the lung
problem is not bacterial or viral in nature. I ingested large amounts of CS
w/H2O2  used a cool mist humidifier to nebulize CS. While the CS mist
helped a bit it did not get rid of it. 

I am extremely grateful for any suggestions! Feel free to email me privately


TIA, 
Claire


 

Re: CSmold/fungus questions

[ruth strackbein]

Debbie, Do you use the 3% Hydrogen Peroxide? Do you dilute it? Am getting into H202 therapies both for my own sake and for that of my daughter-in-law who has been recently diagnosed with a rare form of cancer called macroglobulinemia, or Waldenstrom disease. It attacks the bone marrow. They live in Oklahoma City which is a stronghold of alternative medical treatments. Thanks for all your input. Am currently trying a poultice of casteroil on my abdomen which I am supposed to keep on for an hour. Haave done this once. Will use it again this afternoon during my nap time. Cheers, Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSmold/fungus questionsDate: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:57:31 +

I use h202 drops in my ears lay on each side and let it hiss and pop totally painless in the ears.debbie
-- Original message -- From: "claire shaw" cla...@jazznsamba.com 




I need help to get rid of mold/fungus in my sinuses, ears and lungs. For lungs: I just got a nebulizer  am planning to nebulize CS w/MSM (1/4tsp. MSM dissolved in 2 oz. CS). I'm wondering about also using Oil ofOregano, Grapefruit Seed Extract  Tea Tree Oil either separately or in somecombination(s),  how much to use (what measurements). For sinuses: I know some of you have used Xylitol dissolved in CS - is it1/4 tsp. dissolved in 2 oz CS? Any other suggestions? (Hydrogen peroxide?) for ears: Xylitol/CS? I know this has been discussed here  I did save a few posts (which is whereI got the above ideas), but that was before I knew I had this particularproblem so I hope you don't mind revisiting this topic. I am getting to thedesperation point with all this. I was extremely ill with a serious yeast 
overgrowth/infestation since lastOctober. After visits to various naturopaths, followi! ng a st rict diet much experimentation with treatment I finally have that under control butthe other problems remain. I have done a 3 week cleanse toget rid ofthetoxins. 

Drs. thought at the time the lung problem was due to theyeast overgrowth. I now feel it was related/exacerbated by it but that it is aseparate mold issue. (I was unknowingly exposed to mold, probablyaspergillus sp? a couple of years ago.) I am quite certain the lungproblem is not bacterial or viral in nature. I ingested large amounts of CSw/H2O2  used a cool mist humidifier to nebulize CS. While the CS misthelped a bit it did not get rid of it. I am extremely grateful for any suggestions! Feel free to email me privatelyTIA, Claire







 


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Re: CSIs it water or CS?

[Sam Mureno]

Hi AG.
If you have a pen laser  you could check for tyndall.

Sam

On 6/19/06, Silver Smith cag@gmail.com wrote:


I have have been saving, cleaning  and using empty soft drink bottles to
store and give away CS in.  I have several bottles (green) old Sprite
bottles on the shelf full of something?  Is there a way to tell if I have
put CS in them OR  if they are just in the cleaning process and have water
in them?  I usually clean 1st with tap water and let them sit a bit.  I have
tried to use my TDS meter but my tap water has a  similiar ppm reading to my
CS.  Do I remember something about dropping some salt in an aliquot and it
will form AgCl and turn cloudy?

Thanks,

AG

RE: CSProbiotics

[Ed Kasper]

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same
experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and
the facts are they are better than capsules or pills.

Ed Kasper
  -Original Message-
  From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CSProbiotics



  Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and
you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message --
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net

 Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural
 live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or
 actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search
 yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ...
 works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made
 in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut
 milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar,
 water and tea.

 http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm

 http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm

 http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm

 free Tibicos
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! =VIEWPR OD
 ProdID=50


 live free and healthy

 Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist  Medicinal Herbalist
 http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM
 To: silver list; Georgia
 Subject: CSProbiotics


 Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
 has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with
 bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with
 styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to
 quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had
 that problem? He's trying to wean himself off
 Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now.

 Pat

RE: CSapricot seeds,milk based probiotics

[Ed Kasper]

Xing Ren, the Chinese herb, is the kernel of the apricot  Try Chinese or
oriental markets, cheap at Chinatowns herb shops about $10 pound.
Paw-paw (papaya) also has a digestive enzyme function, The skin, fruit as
well as the seeds all have beneficial actions.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.

  -Original Message-
  From: zeb caffe [mailto:jamaki...@yahoo.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:51 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSapricot seeds,milk based probiotics


  Marshall, I have seen apricot seeds sold in only one health food store in
my town. I think you can buy them on line as it seems I have seen them on a
web site before.  If you need the name of the health food store, I would be
glad to find out.Many stores will mail you their product for a small fee.The
ones in the health food store came with some warnings I remember.I agree
that the probiotics might be causing problems due to the milk aspect. I
think that the natren brand also has a milk free product. If not, there are
plenty other probiotics that do. Some probiotics also come with digestive
enzymes included in the product which might be helpful with the   digestion
of the lactose.
  Thanks to everyone who helped with the emu oil question.

Re: CSmold/fungus questions

[debbiegerard99]

Yes 3% in the ears and no I do not dilute it . Douglass has a really great book 
on the uses of 35% for fighting cancerthere are many ways in alternative 
medicine to go after that cancer hon keep me posted and I will send you what I 
have on h202debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com 

Debbie, Do you use the 3% Hydrogen Peroxide? Do you dilute it?  Am getting into 
H202 therapies both for my own sake and  for that of my daughter-in-law who has 
been recently diagnosed with a rare form of cancer called macroglobulinemia, or 
Waldenstrom disease.  It attacks the bone marrow.  They live in Oklahoma City 
which is a stronghold of alternative medical treatments.  Thanks for all your 
input.  Am currently trying a poultice of casteroil on my abdomen which I am 
supposed to keep on for an hour.  Haave done this once.  Will use it again this 
afternoon during my nap time.  Cheers, Ruth






From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSmold/fungus questions
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:57:31 +



I use h202 drops in my ears lay on each side and let it hiss and pop totally 
painless in the ears.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: claire shaw cla...@jazznsamba.com 
I need help to get rid of mold/fungus in my sinuses, ears and lungs. 

For lungs: I just got a nebulizer  am planning to nebulize CS w/MSM (1/4
tsp. MSM dissolved in 2 oz. CS). I'm wondering about also using Oil of
Oregano, Grapefruit Seed Extract  Tea Tree Oil either separately or in some
combination(s),  how much to use (what measurements). 

For sinuses: I know some of you have used Xylitol dissolved in CS - is it
1/4 tsp. dissolved in 2 oz CS? Any other suggestions? (Hydrogen peroxide?) 

for ears: Xylitol/CS? 

I know this has been discussed here  I did save a few posts (which is where
I got the above ideas), but that was before I knew I had this particular
problem so I hope you don't mind revisiting this topic. I am getting to the
desperation point with all this. 

I was extremely ill with a serious yeast overgrowth/infestation since last
October. After visits to various naturopaths, followi! ng a st rict diet 
much experimentation with treatment I finally have that under control but
the other problems remain. I have done a 3 week cleanse to get rid of the 
toxins. 

Drs. thought at the time the lung problem was due to the
yeast overgrowth. I now feel it was related/exacerbated by it but that it is a
separate mold issue. (I was unknowingly exposed to mold, probably
aspergillus sp? a couple of years ago.) I am quite certain the lung
problem is not bacterial or viral in nature. I ingested large amounts of CS
w/H2O2  used a cool mist humidifier to nebulize CS. While the CS mist
helped a bit it did not get rid of it. 

I am extremely grateful for any suggestions! Feel free to email me privately


TIA, 
Claire


 


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Re: CSapricot seeds,milk based probiotics

[Mark S. Siepak]

Sorry, but Paw-paw is a native North American fruit, Papaya is from the
tropics, and is the one with the digestive enzyme, papain, in the seeds. Dry
and grind them in a pepper mill.
-- 
The real trouble with this world of ours is not that it is an unreaonable
world, nor even that it is a reasonable one. The commonest kind of trouble
is that it is nearly reasonable, but not quite. Life is not an illogicality,
yet it is a trap for logicians. It looks just a little more mathematical and
regular than it is; its' exactitude is obvious; but its' inexactitude is
hidden, its' wildness lies in wait  --G. K.  Chesterton
___

Mark S. Siepak
bro...@gtcinternet.com


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RE: CSProbiotics

[debbiegerard99]

Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed  within six hours the milk 
separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting 
shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will know 
you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you sure don't 
back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to the BBB.
And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!!
debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were 
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free 
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic 
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil 
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience 
may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.  

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the 
facts are they are better than capsules or pills. 

Ed Kasper
-Original Message-
From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSProbiotics



Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you 
would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company 
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 

 Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural 
 live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or 
 actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search 
 yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... 
 works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made 
 in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut 
 milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, 
 water and tea. 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm 
 
 free Tibicos 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! =VIEWPR OD 
 ProdID=50 
 
 
 live free and healthy 
 
 Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist  Medicinal Herbalist 
 http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com 
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM 
 To: silver list; Georgia 
 Subject: CSProbiotics 
 
 
 Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
 has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
 bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
 styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
 quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
 that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
 Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
 
 Pat 

RE: CSapricot seeds,milk based probiotics

[Ed Kasper]

Carica papaya. Common Name:Pawpaw, Paw Paw, Papaw, Poor
Man's Banana, Hoosier Banana, etc. (In Australia the
tropical papaya, Carica papaya, is also known as Pawpaw).
The one that grows through out the American southwest is
considered toxic, this IMO, is due to the action of the
enzymes. The toxic one has been used in conjunction with
fermenting kombucha tea and taken as a cancer remedy (not
FDA approved) and is mentioned in Harald Tietze Kombucha
books as well as made popular by the  Australia's Kombucha
House  (TM) . The entire fruit may be used.

At any rate buy organic papaya at your local super market.
and as Mark says grind the seeds.

Ed Kasper

-Original Message-
From: Mark S. Siepak [mailto:bro...@gtcinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSapricot seeds,milk based probiotics


Sorry, but Paw-paw is a native North American fruit, Papaya
is from the
tropics, and is the one with the digestive enzyme, papain,
in the seeds. Dry
and grind them in a pepper mill.
--
The real trouble with this world of ours is not that it is
an unreaonable
world, nor even that it is a reasonable one. The commonest
kind of trouble
is that it is nearly reasonable, but not quite. Life is not
an illogicality,
yet it is a trap for logicians. It looks just a little more
mathematical and
regular than it is; its' exactitude is obvious; but its'
inexactitude is
hidden, its' wildness lies in wait  --G. K.  Chesterton
___

Mark S. Siepak
bro...@gtcinternet.com


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RE: CSProbiotics

[Ed Kasper]

The separation is into what is called curds and whey it is not spoiled
just over fermented. Either add more milk or reduce the time.
And I stand by by offer of unconditional guarantee

and you're money has been refunded.

You need to address these issues directly with me.


Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist  Medicinal Herbalist
417 Laurent St. Santa Cruz, CA. 95060
(831) 425-8801   toll-free 1-888-425-8827
http://HappyHerbalist.com  e...@happyherbalist.com

  -Original Message-
  From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:38 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CSProbiotics



  Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed  within six hours the milk
separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting
shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will
know you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you
sure don't back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to
the BBB.
  And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!!
  debbie
-- Original message --
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same
experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups
and the facts are they are better than capsules or pills.

Ed Kasper
  -Original Message-
  From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CSProbiotics



  Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work
and you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this
company either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message --
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net

 Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural
 live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or
 actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search
 yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ...
 works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made
 in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut
 milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar,
 water and tea.

 http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm

 http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm

 http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm

 free Tibicos
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! ! =VIEW PR OD
 ProdID=50


 live free and healthy

 Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist  Medicinal Herbalist
 http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM
 To: silver list; Georgia
 Subject: CSProbiotics


 Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
 has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with
 bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with
 styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to
 quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had
 that problem? He's trying to wean himself off
 Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now.

 Pat

RE: CSProbiotics

[debbiegerard99]

I have not gotten any check or any communication from you at all. You would not 
answer any of my e-mails other than just flat out stating I OVER FERMENTED 
which I did not...reduce the time or how about sending a product that isn't 
junk!! I would of addressed them to you but you would not answer me.!!
-- Original message -- 
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 

The separation is into what is called curds and whey it is not spoiled just 
over fermented. Either add more milk or reduce the time.
And I stand by by offer of unconditional guarantee

and you're money has been refunded. 

You need to address these issues directly with me.


Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist  Medicinal Herbalist
417 Laurent St. Santa Cruz, CA. 95060
(831) 425-8801   toll-free 1-888-425-8827
http://HappyHerbalist.com  e...@happyherbalist.com 

-Original Message-
From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:38 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSProbiotics



Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed  within six hours the milk 
separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting 
shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will know 
you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you sure don't 
back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to the BBB.
And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!!
debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were 
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free 
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic 
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil 
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience 
may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.  

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the 
facts are they are better than capsules or pills. 

Ed Kasper
-Original Message-
From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSProbiotics



Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you 
would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company 
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 

 Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural 
 live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or 
 actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search 
 yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... 
 works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made 
 in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut 
 milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, 
 water and tea. 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm 
 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm 
 
 free Tibicos 
 http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! ! =VIEW PR OD 
 ProdID=50 
 
 
 live free and healthy 
 
 Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist  Medicinal Herbalist 
 http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com 
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM 
 To: silver list; Georgia 
 Subject: CSProbiotics 
 
 
 Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
 has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
 bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
 styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
 quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
 that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
 Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
 
 Pat 

Re: CSapricot seeds,milk based probiotics

[laquerencia33]

Is it true that bitter almonds are not allowed to be sold here in the US,  
as I've seen mentioned on-line?  I'd like to know a source for ordering.


DByron


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RE: CSProbiotics

[Dan Nave]

 

Slippery Elm (inner bark, powdered)  is very soothing to the intestines
and also healing.  You can buy it at a health store that carries herbs
or order it in bulk online.  Mix approximately 1 heaping teaspoon in a
glass of water and mix it in.  It thickens like Metamucil, but is
healing, not irritating.  Can take as much as is tolerated.  I would
take 3 or 4 times a day between meals or more often if desired.  

Keep away from any allergy foods like milk and milk products since he is
allergic to it. Don't eat irritating foods with a lot of roughage, at
least for a while.  Some other foods like acidic fruits, tomatoes and
citrus may be irritating, at least initially.  Eat foods like cooked
oatmeal etc.  Take the Slippery Elm bark and let the intestines calm
down.  Wean off the Imodium.  (Look into food combining.)

There are things like Dr. Richard Schulze's Intestinal Formula #2
which can be taken in a similar manner to the Slippery Elm bark.  It has
that and psyllium, bentonite, pectin, activated charcoal, ground flax
seed, etc in it.  It can be made without charcoal for long term use...
I found it a bit gritty because of the charcoal.

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:30 PM
To: silver list; Georgia
Subject: CSProbiotics

Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable
bowel.  VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and
totally surrounded with styrofoam.  He's only used about 5 but says he
has to quitit causes horrible foul gas.  Anyone else had that
problem?  He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he
needs more and more now.

  Pat

-Original Message-
From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSProbiotics

I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's interesting.  But
anyway, my son is lactose intolerant.  He did fine on breast milk, but
once that was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to
tolerate milk.

 Pat



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RE: CSIs it water or CS?

[Dan Nave]

 
I can think of 4 ways of testing for CS.
 
1.  Shine a laser through the bottle or through some of the liquid in a
clear container.  In a dark room you should see at least some tyndall
effect (can see the beam in the liquid).
 
2.  If you have a good sense of taste you can swish some in your mouth
for a couple of minutes.  After that there should be a slightly bitter
or metallic aftertaste indicating the colloidal silver or EIS.
 
3.  Put some liquid in a shot-glass.  Put a few sprinkles of salt in it.
You should see a slight cloudiness or bluish cast forming over time.
Have indirect light behind it.
 
4.  Depending on the quality of the CS/EIS you may be able to get it to
react with hydrogen peroxide.  Put some CS in a shot-glass and add a
drop of (drugstore 3%) H2O2 to it.  Watch it closely right from the
start.  It may react by going cloudy for a while or changing color or
something.  Add a few more drops if there is no effect within a short
time.
 
For all of these cases, the tap water should show no effect.
 
Dan



From: Silver Smith [mailto:cag@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:05 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSIs it water or CS?


I have have been saving, cleaning  and using empty soft drink bottles to
store and give away CS in.  I have several bottles (green) old Sprite
bottles on the shelf full of something?  Is there a way to tell if I
have put CS in them OR  if they are just in the cleaning process and
have water in them?  I usually clean 1st with tap water and let them sit
a bit.  I have tried to use my TDS meter but my tap water has a
similiar ppm reading to my CS.  Do I remember something about dropping
some salt in an aliquot and it will form AgCl and turn cloudy? 

Thanks,

AG

RE: CSmold/fungus questions - Spray ingredients

[Dan Nave]

 

 Is it OK to snort Borax???

Dan



-Original Message-
From: Rowena [mailto:new...@aapt.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSmold/fungus questions - Spray ingredients

I'm no expert, Claire, but I use pretty much the same mix in anything
and on anything.
The quantities vary according to whether I am just topping up a spray
bottle that is running low or starting from scratch.  And I would think
about recording my quantities a few days later, when I have forgotten
how much of what I put when.
I'm not terribly happy about using plastic bottles, which get such bad
press, but that's 2006 for you.
I think Daddybob's description of his use of a Xylitol-containing mix
and his sinus clearing is a classic.  It got me using Xylitol, that's
for sure.
Personally, I think I would use just the chemicals in the standard mix,
and add the vegetable ones at time of use.  Just cautious, I suppose.
Others would know better than I.
No advice on quantities; I do everything by instinct based on what I
vaguely remember from the silverlist.  Again, others with the right kind
of brain could advise here.
As for solids - as much as will dissolve in the liquid.  Yes, it can
taste strong.  I can always dilute with CS if I want to, but I tend not
to.  It's only one or two or three sprays at a time, after all.  I
breathe in at the time, then out through my nose.  I also spray up the
nose when I'm brave enough or accurate enough, or around the outside of
my nose if I'm not (accurate enough).  Similarly, in and around the
ears.

If I were starting from scratch now I would have CS as the liquid, or
CS/Himalayan salt brine, with MSM and any other crystalline ingredients
dissolved in it, eg Xylitol, possibly a touch of Borax, or any other
kind of salt or solid I wanted to add for whatever reason.
I know Sol doesn't like me to put salt and CS in the same mix - but I'm
not likely to use two sprays, and I want salt as well as CS.  Very small
quantities being used here, anyway, as Terry commented once.
Then I would add my DMSO and H2O2, with quantities according to how
brave I felt at the time.  Sorry, but I'm practicing for when I'm a
really old lady.
Then a few days later, when I remember what I forgot to put in, I add
however much I can.  Scientific as that.
Why be tense?  Look at it as an art form.  What happened when medicine
stopped being an art?

Yeah, meals are often an adventure at my house, too.  Other times
they're just a chore.

Rowena
Ken Uzzell on his site has a freely downloadable program and database of
frequencies, including mold and fungus (and viruses and bacteria and
myco plasm and and and...)


For lungs: I just got a nebulizer  am planning to nebulize CS w/MSM
(1/4 tsp. MSM dissolved in 2 oz. CS). I'm wondering about also using Oil
of Oregano, Grapefruit Seed Extract  Tea Tree Oil either separately or
in some combination(s),  how much to use (what measurements).

For sinuses: I know some of you have used Xylitol dissolved in CS - is
it
1/4 tsp. dissolved in 2 oz CS? Any other suggestions? (Hydrogen
peroxide?)

for ears: Xylitol/CS?


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Re: CSmold/fungus questions - Spray ingredients

[William Missett]

Only if you wish to have the whitest sinuses in town.

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com

To: Silver-List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: CSmold/fungus questions - Spray ingredients





Is it OK to snort Borax???

Dan



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From: Rowena [mailto:new...@aapt.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSmold/fungus questions - Spray ingredients

I'm no expert, Claire, but I use pretty much the same mix in anything
and on anything.
The quantities vary according to whether I am just topping up a spray
bottle that is running low or starting from scratch.  And I would think
about recording my quantities a few days later, when I have forgotten
how much of what I put when.
I'm not terribly happy about using plastic bottles, which get such bad
press, but that's 2006 for you.
I think Daddybob's description of his use of a Xylitol-containing mix
and his sinus clearing is a classic.  It got me using Xylitol, that's
for sure.
Personally, I think I would use just the chemicals in the standard mix,
and add the vegetable ones at time of use.  Just cautious, I suppose.
Others would know better than I.
No advice on quantities; I do everything by instinct based on what I
vaguely remember from the silverlist.  Again, others with the right kind
of brain could advise here.
As for solids - as much as will dissolve in the liquid.  Yes, it can
taste strong.  I can always dilute with CS if I want to, but I tend not
to.  It's only one or two or three sprays at a time, after all.  I
breathe in at the time, then out through my nose.  I also spray up the
nose when I'm brave enough or accurate enough, or around the outside of
my nose if I'm not (accurate enough).  Similarly, in and around the
ears.

If I were starting from scratch now I would have CS as the liquid, or
CS/Himalayan salt brine, with MSM and any other crystalline ingredients
dissolved in it, eg Xylitol, possibly a touch of Borax, or any other
kind of salt or solid I wanted to add for whatever reason.
I know Sol doesn't like me to put salt and CS in the same mix - but I'm
not likely to use two sprays, and I want salt as well as CS.  Very small
quantities being used here, anyway, as Terry commented once.
Then I would add my DMSO and H2O2, with quantities according to how
brave I felt at the time.  Sorry, but I'm practicing for when I'm a
really old lady.
Then a few days later, when I remember what I forgot to put in, I add
however much I can.  Scientific as that.
Why be tense?  Look at it as an art form.  What happened when medicine
stopped being an art?

Yeah, meals are often an adventure at my house, too.  Other times
they're just a chore.

Rowena
Ken Uzzell on his site has a freely downloadable program and database of
frequencies, including mold and fungus (and viruses and bacteria and
myco plasm and and and...)


For lungs: I just got a nebulizer  am planning to nebulize CS w/MSM
(1/4 tsp. MSM dissolved in 2 oz. CS). I'm wondering about also using Oil
of Oregano, Grapefruit Seed Extract  Tea Tree Oil either separately or
in some combination(s),  how much to use (what measurements).

For sinuses: I know some of you have used Xylitol dissolved in CS - is
it
1/4 tsp. dissolved in 2 oz CS? Any other suggestions? (Hydrogen
peroxide?)

for ears: Xylitol/CS?


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RE: CSProbiotics

[Duncan Crow]

Good news for leaky gut sufferers that the inulin/FOS they use 
heals leaky gut by supporting bowel lining epithelial cell growth 
as well as stimulating a fluorish of probiotic Bifidobacteria.

I haven't looked this one up or got it on my website yet. I'll 
put it in the inulin references; other studies that show 
reduction in aberrant crypt foci (beginning bowel cancer cells) 
as probiotic populations fluorish.

Two experiments were conducted to determine if supplementing 
soluble fiber (fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide or gum 
arabic) to a semi-elemental diet would beneficially change cecal 
and colonic microbiota populations and enhance epithelial cell 
proliferation. Experiments 1 and 2 used identical dietary 
regimens; mice and rats were given free access to a powdered semi-
 elemental diet. Animals were assigned to one of the four 
following treatment groups: control, no supplemental dietary 
fiber, fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide and gum arabic. 
Dietary fiber was supplied via drinking water at 30 g/L. In 
Experiment 1 populations of Bifidobacteria and total anaerobic 
flora were enumerated from the contents of the cecum and colon of 
weanling mice. Consumption of fructooligosaccharide increased (P 
 0.05) the concentrations of Bifidobacteria and the ratio of 
Bifidobacteria to total anaerobic flora. In Experiment 2 tissue 
from the cecum and distal colon of weanling rats was examined for 
morphological changes of the mucosa. Consumption of 
xylooligosaccharide increased (P  0.05) cecal crypt depth and 
labeling index relative to the other three treatments. 
Consumption of gum arabic and the control diet increased (P  
0.01) cecal proliferation zone. Consumption of 
xylooligosaccharide and the control diet increased (P  0.01) 
cecal cell density (number of cells in a vertical-half of the 
crypt). Distal colonic crypt depth was greatest (P  0.05) in 
controls and rats fed fructooligosaccharide, intermediate in 
those fed gum arabic, and smallest in those fed 
xylooligosaccharide.

Duncan Crow
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CSyeast overgrowth

[CHERYL HOLMES]

I haven't had much luck with anything to get rid of mine in my gut and 
everywhere else.  My dr. says since I have such high mold allergies and 
constantly exposed to mold in the air, home, foods, my system can't handle the 
overload.  I'm on allergy serum but I also have lupus and MCS amongst other 
things.  I still take the CS everyday and have tried the Grapefruit seed, 
castroyl and everything else to no avail.  I may have to go on Spornax (sp?) he 
says since I have no luck clearing it from my system with continual exposure.  
cheryl 

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Re: CSyeast overgrowth

[sol]

Do you eat sugar? Carbs (including whole grains?)? Fruit?
My belief and experience is you cannot get rid of candida yeast 
overgrowth while feeding it.
I also happened to read in Prescription for Nutritional Healing that 
candid thrives in an alkaline body environment.

sol

CHERYL HOLMES wrote:




I haven't had much luck with anything to get rid of mine in my gut and 
everywhere else.  My dr. says since I have such high mold allergies 
and constantly exposed to mold in the air, home, foods, my system 
can't handle the overload.  I'm on allergy serum but I also have lupus 
and MCS amongst other things.  I still take the CS everyday and have 
tried the Grapefruit seed, castroyl and everything else to no avail.  
I may have to go on Spornax (sp?) he says since I have no luck 
clearing it from my system with continual exposure.  cheryl 


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Re: CSyeast overgrowth

[Marshalee Hallett]

  Dear Cheryl, 
  I just started taking CMO for my incipient arthritis, and learned from the 
literature 
  that came with it that it can help Lupus!
  Might want to look into it...
  Good luck!
  Marshalee
  PS, after only 3 days on CMO my feet are feeling better, for the first time 
in years I can bend my toes, and my finger joint pains are easing. I think this 
is gonna work for me!!! Yay!



  I haven't had much luck with anything to get rid of mine in my gut and 
everywhere else.  My dr. says since I have such high mold allergies and 
constantly exposed to mold in the air, home, foods, my system can't handle the 
overload.  I'm on allergy serum but I also have lupus and MCS amongst other 
things.  I still take the CS everyday and have tried the Grapefruit seed, 
castroyl and everything else to no avail.  I may have to go on Spornax (sp?) he 
says since I have no luck clearing it from my system with continual exposure.  
cheryl 


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Re: CSporphyria article

[starshar]

The article's author says she has variegate porphyria

http://www.townsendletter.com/April2006/digest0406.htm

Hope there's some helful info here

Sharon


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CSCurcumin

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The more I have read about curcumin over the years, the more impressed 
I have been.  I write this apropos the glioblastoma one member's 
relative is suffering, because curcumin apparently transits the 
blood/brain barrier, given its documented role in preventing Alz. 
disease.Here's my message:


Getting a daily dose of curcumin is very easy.   Serve up some ordinary 
plain yogurt.  Put in a teaspoon of turmeric powder, which is quite 
inexpensive in bulk at Costco.   Stir it up.   The taste is something 
like a very mild yellow hotdog mustard.


Breakfast, lunch, or dinner;  it could not be easier to do.


JBB


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CS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

List,

Many members know about big Pharm fraud, but few examples are as 
compelling at the L-Tryptophan scam, which I recall very, very well.   
BROJON, although being rather uneven in my opinion, has a great piece 
which I am pasting below.

   THE INSIDER'S STORY OF AN  L-TRYPTOPHAN RESEARCHER
 A Response To Reader's Requests

I have received a number of letters to the editor asking about which 
L-tryptophan is the best and where to buy it.  Many readers want to 
start using it each morning to maintain their circadian rhythms.  For 
almost 20 years it has been impossible to purchase L-tryptophan.  So 
where did I buy my tryptophan for my research for the last 20 years?


During the 1980's when I started my circadian rhythm experiments, I 
used the common L-tryptophan found in stores.  I soon found there were 
two types --one with B6 and one without any B6.  I tried several brands 
of each and found that the ones with B6 did not work at all in my 
experiments for shifting or controlling the circadian rhythms.  Thus 
proving that B6 prevents tryptophan from getting into the brain.  Using 
B6 will definitely disrupt your normal circadian rhythms.


I later found that almost all the L-tryptophan in all brands was made 
from the same bulk raw product from Japan.  The Showa Denko company had 
developed a method of using genetically modified bacteria to extract 
copious amounts of L-tryptophan from milk.  Since the bacteria was 
removed and reused, what remained was pure, cheap L-tryptophan.  It is 
now the same method used for making all the other amino acid products.


In November 1989, the CDC made the false claim that L-tryptophan was 
causing a new disease or disorder called Eosinophilia Myagia Syndrome 
(EMS).   The symptoms of EMS were exactly the same as trichinosis.  
Trichinosis is a parasite which comes from eating improperly cooked 
pork.  My research found that about half of all American's have 
contracted the trichinosis parasite.  But for most people it is 
sub-clinical, meaning most people don't even know that they have 
trichinosis.  This sub-clinical form of the disease is the primary 
reason for most autoimmune disorders such as fibromyagia and chronic 
fatique syndrome.  The body immune system attacks itself in an attempt 
to get rid of the parasite.  The disease is caused by microscopic worms 
embedding by the millions into your muscles.  Then they form a tiny 
impenetrable cyst which protects them from medication and from your own 
immune system.  No effective medication has been found for ridding the 
body of trichinosis.


For most people the original symptoms were a slight fever like the flu, 
and achy muscles as the trichinella enter the muscles and become 
encysted.   It takes about a week and later those early symptoms go 
away and are forgotten.  Those were exactly the same symptoms which 
were identified as EMS by the CDC.   In the first week after the CDC 
alert for EMS, the doctors before reporting EMS needed to perform a 
trichinosis test.   In the second week after the CDC alert, the 
trichinosis test requirement was strangely dropped, so all the usual 
hundreds of thousands of cases of trichinosis were then falsely 
reported to the CDC as the new tryptophan disorder, EMS.


The CDC also changed the reporting requirement to include: observe the 
symptoms and also, secondly interview the patient for having previously 
or still using L-tryptophan.   Thus, suddenly this became an 
L-tryptophan disease.  But it wasn't at all.  It was just the common 
trichinosis.  I was using L-tryptophan in my research studies but I 
never had any symptoms.  Something was very wrong with the CDC story 
about EMS and the ban on sales of L-tryptophan.


I suspected then that this was a fraudulent story and I have kept in my 
files, several years worth of all the CDC reports and university 
research reports into the suspected causes for EMS.  The CDC even 
blamed Showa Denko for making a contaminated product and forced them 
out of business.  But NO cause of EMS was ever found and the story was 
quietly dropped, but the ban for local drug stores to sell L-tryptophan 
has remained.  Mysteriously and quietly the ban on sales has been 
dropped in the last year and now many small sellers are using the 
Internet to push L-tryptophan.  Why?  What has suddenly changed?


The original reason for banning the sale of L-tryptophan is still a 
mystery.  I suspected the illegal ban was bought and paid for by Eli 
Lilly which made nearly a trillion dollars by selling Prozac, which was 
designed to replace L-tryptophan as a means to raise the level of 
serotonin in the brain.  Of course the reason for the brain chemical 
imbalance or low level of serotonin in the first place was the 
over-abundance of B6 in the diet which eliminates L-tryptophan from the 
body.  That strange relationship is why I have studied and done 
experiments with both L-tryptophan and B6 for the last 

CSCS for ringworm?

[GoToHoll]

Has anyone used CS to treat kittens/cats exposed to ringworm fungus to  
prevent them from becoming infected?
 
Laura H., TX

Re: CSiron overload

[tmisner]

Hi Zeb
Thanks! I would appreciate the info. We need all the help we can get! We are 
having as much trouble with doctors and referals to specialists as we did 
getting a positive diagnosis. My son finally got in to see a GI specialist, 
five months after he was first diagnosed. He is to start the 'blood letting' 
this week. They plan to take one pint a week until he can't take it anymore 
then reduce it to once every two weeks and so forth until the iron overload is 
somewhat controlled. He has stopped taking vitamin C and multi vitamins.
Thanks for your help!!
Trudy
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  From: zeb caffe 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:02 AM
  Subject: CSiron overload


  Trudy, somewhere I have some information on that subject. I will look for it 
and get back to you. About the iron overload, Did your doctors suggest  having 
blood taken from him on a monthly basis for a while? It is important that your 
son does not take vitamins with iron in them or to much vitamin C as this 
vitamin causes iron absorbtion.


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Re: CSiron overload

[zeb caffe]

tmisner tmis...@telusplanet.net wrote:  Hi Zeb
  Thanks! I would appreciate the info. We need all the help we can get! We are 
having as much trouble with doctors and referals to specialists as we did 
getting a positive diagnosis. My son finally got in to see a GI specialist, 
five months after he was first diagnosed. He is to start the 'blood letting' 
this week. They plan to take one pint a week until he can't take it anymore 
then reduce it to once every two weeks and so forth until the iron overload is 
somewhat controlled. He has stopped taking vitamin C and multi vitamins.
  Thanks for your help!!
  Trudy
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  From: zeb caffe 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:02 AM
  Subject: CSiron overload
  

Trudy, somewhere I have some information on that subject. I will look for it 
and get back to you. About the iron overload, Did your doctors suggest  having 
blood taken from him on a monthly basis for a while? It is important that your 
son does not take vitamins with iron in them or to much vitamin C as this 
vitamin causes iron absorbtion. 
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