Re: CS>raw to wayne

2007-09-02 Thread Barbara
I know this was for Wayne but I just want to comment on this one issue. 

I drink raw milk for several years and I kept it for 25 days and even after 
that time the milk is still as sweet and fresh as it was on the first day.  If 
your milk goes sour so quickly that means it is an old milk already when you 
buy it.  Try to get your milk from somewhere else and let them know why you 
will not be buing it any more.  

Barbara


   Raw milk is hard because it comes in such big bottles and it goes bad 
quickly so it never gets finished before it gets sour.


CS>calcium and mag ororate

2007-09-02 Thread zeb caffe
Marshalee do you mind sharing what brand you use of this?
   
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CS>off topic

2007-09-02 Thread zeb caffe
The problem with posting to off topic, is that there is not much activity there 
and most of it is not health related which is fine with me but if I want a 
health question answered or wish to share some health related subject, I am 
more apt to have it read or responded to on this list.If this is still a 
problem, I can post to off topic first if that would be helpful.
   
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CS>raw to wayne

2007-09-02 Thread zeb caffe
Wayne ,you advocate the use of eggs and milk. I wonder if you think that 
pasturized milk and eggs that are not organic are still beneficial? Of course I 
am sure that you prefer the raw organic over not but if a person is unable to 
eat raw or organic, do you still think that milk and eggs are good?I have heard 
that people who are lactose intolorant can tolerate raw milk but if it is not 
raw, they have gastro problemsThe best eggs I have seen, have come from farmers 
markets where the yolk is a deep color. The grocery store eggs that are in the 
organic section dont seem to look or taste any better. I still buy them over 
the conventional eggs. Raw milk is hard because it comes in such big bottles 
and it goes bad quickly so it never gets finished before it gets sour.
   
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Oops... maybe not?

2007-09-02 Thread M. G. Devour
And, when everybody catches up with their e-mail and reads my previous 
message, we won't have a second round of comments on either dog 
training or "devil" threads! Right?   

I've already received one off-list apology: "Sorry Mike, I didn't see 
your message in time!" 

Perfect demonstration of why it is a good habit to read ALL of the 
messages you've got before hitting SEND on any reply. Often others will 
have said what you wanted to say, making yours redundant, or you'll 
miss corrections or guidance from the moderator. 

Of course, the alternative is for me to moderate the list completely, 
robbing it of the rapidity and spontaneity which often makes things so 
vibrant and useful. I don't want to do that, so we accept that my 
"moderation" is done after the fact, and with some delay in effect.

A fair trade, I think.

Thank you all!

Be well,

Mike D.

> Hi folks,
> 
> Can I head off a couple of items before they risk becoming a problem?
> 
> First, let's not talk about dog training methods again, please. It's
> proven to be controversial.
> 
> Second, let's not discuss anything about what the "devil" is or is not.
> Again, it encroaches on a frequently dis-harmonious topic area. 
> 
> Discussions about religion, spirituality, or the occult are prohibited
> on the main list, though you're perfectly welcome to pass on a "god
> bless," prayer request or expression of gratitude in passing.
> 
> Thank you!!! 
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike Devour
> silver list owner

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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2007 #348

2007-09-02 Thread Scott
The great deceiver and author of confusion.

Gail Naranjo  wrote: 
--- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

>In 25 words or less, who is the Devil?
> 
The accuser & father of all lies.

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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2007 #348

2007-09-02 Thread Gail Naranjo

--- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

>In 25 words or less, who is the Devil?
> 
The accuser & father of all lies.

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Re: CS>CS & Lupus

2007-09-02 Thread Scott
Hey, Jessie

Pardon me for not getting right back to you.  I have been experiencing some 
lupus-related phenomena with my heart which makes me feel very anxious.  So all 
I want to do is rest, stay still, hope and pray that it goes away.
Anyhow, SLE stands for Systemic Lupus Erythematosus.  Just a fancy name for 
systemic Lupus. 
Any ideas/comments about these "heart anxieties" let me know.

In His Service,
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jessi...@optonline.net wrote: 
What is SLE? Thanks, Jess
- Original Message -
From: Scott 
Date: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:49 am
Subject: CS>CS & Lupus
To: Silver List 

> Hey, Friends!
> 
> Please let me know if any of you have experience with Lupus and 
> the use of CS and any other natural alternatives in 
> treating/healing it. I just found out last Friday that I have 
> SLE. The doctor prescribed Prednisone - 5mg per day and it made 
> me feel a little bit better but the side effects are another 
> story. Anyhow, I am a 48 y.o. male, live in the San Joaquin 
> Valley of California and was working as a substance abuse 
> counselor prior to getting ill. The most difficult things I am 
> currently dealing with are not working, pain throughout my body, 
> skin rashes with purple coloring and hair loss in those areas 
> and chronic fatigue. I have been taking CS for almost two years 
> and I currently drink about 8 oz per day of it along with about 
> 32oz of distilled water per day (separately). So, please give me 
> some suggestions.
> 
> In His Service,
> Scott Young<><
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Re: CS>Re: Sorry, wayne, I mispelled!

2007-09-02 Thread CWFugitt

Evening Carlos,

At 06:46 PM 9/2/2007, you wrote:

Sorry, Wayne,
I mispelled (goofed).

   I don't think I even noticed that.

BASEBALL bat technique you told us about some time ago, when you mentioned 
yout method to have a dog obey.

   I figured that but did not want to think the wrong thing.

In this case, it is about 1/4 inch in diameter, a green stick.

I put it in my truck and used it one time on the dogs head,
about half hard enough to kill a fly.

This is a highly intelligent dog.

Now.. when I pick up the stick, the dog does what he was commanded to 
do, the one time I tapped him with it.


Who is the genius, the dog or me ? Or the type stick I used.

He is a half breed and a stray.  The lovingest dog  I have ever seen.
He loves everybody.  Looks like half German shepherd and half 
huskie.  Feels like he is made out of LEAD. Can run and run and run in the 
heat.


No one understood..  The one dog that I used harsh correction
on, I saved his life.  He had demoted himself from a valuable dog to
one barely worth a good bullet.

After I did that, he never made that mistake again the rest of his 
life.   The dog trainer from disney world taught me a lot, including the 
best way to make corrections.


Now I am trying to learn from the WAR DOG trainer.  These guys are 
serious.  And the dogs must be highly disciplined.


Wayne


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Oops... maybe not?

2007-09-02 Thread faith gagne
Hi Mike.  Sorry about the devil.   I'll have to remember the main list more 
often.


Faith.


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To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Oops... maybe not?



Hi folks,

Can I head off a couple of items before they risk becoming a problem?

First, let's not talk about dog training methods again, please. It's
proven to be controversial.

Second, let's not discuss anything about what the "devil" is or is not.
Again, it encroaches on a frequently dis-harmonious topic area.

Discussions about religion, spirituality, or the occult are prohibited
on the main list, though you're perfectly welcome to pass on a "god
bless," prayer request or expression of gratitude in passing.

Thank you!!!

Be well,

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Re: CS>Re: Sorry, wayne, I mispelled!

2007-09-02 Thread cking001

Uh,Oh...

Duck & cover!

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On 9/2/2007 7:46:38 PM, Carlos Pérez (explorer...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> Sorry, Wayne,
> 
> I mispelled (goofed).
> 
> BASEBALL bat technique you told us about some time ago, when you mentioned
> 
> yout method to have a dog obey.
> 


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CS>[List Owner] Oops... maybe not?

2007-09-02 Thread M. G. Devour
Hi folks,

Can I head off a couple of items before they risk becoming a problem?

First, let's not talk about dog training methods again, please. It's 
proven to be controversial.

Second, let's not discuss anything about what the "devil" is or is not. 
Again, it encroaches on a frequently dis-harmonious topic area. 

Discussions about religion, spirituality, or the occult are prohibited 
on the main list, though you're perfectly welcome to pass on a "god 
bless," prayer request or expression of gratitude in passing.

Thank you!!! 

Be well,

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CS>Re: Sorry, wayne, I mispelled!

2007-09-02 Thread Carlos P�rez

Sorry, Wayne,

I mispelled (goofed).

BASEBALL bat technique you told us about some time ago, when you mentioned 
yout method to have a dog obey.




From: CWFugitt 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ode
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:28:07 -0500

Evening Carlos,

>> At 03:49 PM 9/2/2007, you wrote:
and my obedience methods give excellent results (ask Ivan Balavanoff, one 
of the most famous dog breeders in the world, for sure in USA, of the Ot 
Vitosha kennels, about his methods...


   Interesting.

neither of us use the Beisbol Bat Technique ) but the fact that you use a 
very controversial method does not in the littlest way opaque all the good 
you do through this list.

OK. I can examine that.  Did not realize it.

Thanks.

  >>   Beisbol Bat Technique

 Not familiar with that term.


You can be sure you are not at the bottom of this list.

(Sorry if I gave a little OXIGEN to your ego. It was not my 
intention...)


   Maybe I needed it.

   Wayne


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Re: CS>Ode

2007-09-02 Thread CWFugitt

Evening Carlos,

>> At 03:49 PM 9/2/2007, you wrote:
and my obedience methods give excellent results (ask Ivan Balavanoff, one 
of the most famous dog breeders in the world, for sure in USA, of the Ot 
Vitosha kennels, about his methods...


   Interesting.

neither of us use the Beisbol Bat Technique ) but the fact that you use a 
very controversial method does not in the littlest way opaque all the good 
you do through this list.

OK. I can examine that.  Did not realize it.

Thanks.

  >>   Beisbol Bat Technique

 Not familiar with that term.


You can be sure you are not at the bottom of this list.

(Sorry if I gave a little OXIGEN to your ego. It was not my 
intention...)


   Maybe I needed it.

   Wayne


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Re: CS>Does Salt/C protocol interfere with CS protocol, cayenne pepper?

2007-09-02 Thread Carlos P�rez

Hello, S-Max,

Thank you for the information. I am glad to know that knowledgeable and 
experienced persons like Bryan Rosner and Marc Fett recommend the use of CS 
and Salt/C protocoles together. I am also glad Cayenne pepper is also giving 
good results together with both of them.


Even though all my Ehrlichiosis sympthoms have disappeared, except one that 
resembles a mild chronic fatigue syndrome, I am not totally sure I am fully 
cured. I understand that Salt/C is also used for CFS, so it will probably 
make a favorable change in that also.


Regards,

Carlos



From: "S-Max" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Does Salt/C protocol interfere with CS protocol, cayenne 
pepper?

Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:58:18 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

Hi Carlos,
And my condolences first off. I guess you have found the Lymestrategies
Yahoo Group. If you have, you will quickly become a family member. Welcome!

Bryan Rosner (Lyme Disease and Rife Machines) and Marc Fett 
(owner/moderator

of Lymestrategies and co-author) recommend taking CS while doing the
SeaSalt/Vitamin C protocol. There is no reason not too. It can do no harm,
and it can do all the world of good as you have experienced. Regarding
cayenne, many who are fighting Lyme with Salt/C take this as a very helpful
supplement for a variety of reasons. No problem there at all.

If you are already a member of LS, do a search and you will see all of the
people and posts regarding the inclusion of both CS and cayenne.

Are you planning on doing the MMS? I don't think the two protocols can be
done together, as Vitamin C is the anti-dote for MMS.

---Original Message---

From: Carlos Pérez

Hello, friends,

In my battle against a very serious 10 year old chronic Ehrlichiosis (many
of you know have read about it), which all indications tell me I am winning
or already wan with the help of CS and Cayenne pepper (besides my normal
healthy habits related to eating, exercising and avoiding inconvenient
activities), I am ready to start the Salt/C protocol, as a previous step
before starting another intense cycle in which I consume around 24 ounces 
of


CS  
Carlos



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Re: CS>Does Salt/C protocol interfere with CS protocol, cayenne pepper?

2007-09-02 Thread Carlos P�rez

Hello, S-Max,

No, I am not planning to use the MMS protocole.

Regarding Lymestrategies Yahoo Group, I know about it but, even though I 
have for years been a member of Yahoo-Groups, I have avoided becoming a new 
member of any other of the groups there since I had a big problem trying to 
unsubscribe from one of them. It took many months to solve this issue, and 
in the meantime it turned into the worst nightmare I have ever got through 
mail.


I am glad about what you tell me concerning Bryan Rosner and Marc Fett 
recommending the use of CS together with the Salt/C protocol. They should 
know about the subject. The opinion of others that are also using Cayenne is 
encouraging.


I have not any type of sympthoms of Ehrlichiosis any more, except some that 
might resemble a mild Chronic Fatigue, but nevertheless never get sick with 
absolutely anything, not even a cold, and at almost 75 years my activities 
are usually more than those a normal man 20 years younger would perform, but 
I am not totally sure I am cured of the disease, because due to a 
misdiagnosis it became chronic and had invaded absolutely all my organs and 
systems, included bone marrow, lymph and nervous nodes, skin and all else.


Thank you very much for your help

Carlos


From: "S-Max" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Does Salt/C protocol interfere with CS protocol, cayenne 
pepper?

Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:58:18 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

Hi Carlos,
And my condolences first off. I guess you have found the Lymestrategies
Yahoo Group. If you have, you will quickly become a family member. Welcome!

Bryan Rosner (Lyme Disease and Rife Machines) and Marc Fett 
(owner/moderator

of Lymestrategies and co-author) recommend taking CS while doing the
SeaSalt/Vitamin C protocol. There is no reason not too. It can do no harm,
and it can do all the world of good as you have experienced. Regarding
cayenne, many who are fighting Lyme with Salt/C take this as a very helpful
supplement for a variety of reasons. No problem there at all.

If you are already a member of LS, do a search and you will see all of the
people and posts regarding the inclusion of both CS and cayenne.

Are you planning on doing the MMS? I don't think the two protocols can be
done together, as Vitamin C is the anti-dote for MMS.


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Re: CS>Phenomena

2007-09-02 Thread Marshall Dudley

Dee wrote:
Help!  That sounds ghastly.  Do you think it will cause any harm?  Dee  
  
Not necessarily. H2O2, hydrogen peroxide is one heck of a bleaching 
agent as well.


Marshall
---Original Message--- 

 

From: Marshall Dudley 

Date: 08/31/07 19:49:39 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Phenomena 

 

Chlorine dioxide is a very strong bleaching agent, it is used for 

Bleaching paper for example. So it is fully expected that it would 

Bleach the color of juice. It indicates that you did successfully make 

Chlorine dioxide. 

 

Marshall 

 



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Re: CS>Ode

2007-09-02 Thread Carlos P�rez

Second one today, Wayne,

No, you are not at the bottom of the list. Battles of Egos are normal (we 
have seen several examples of them in the last few weeks, have we not?), and 
the more "knowledge" we have (about any subject except ourselves), the more 
refined and sophisticated and complicated they get.


All of us, in a larger or smaller measure, get involved in them (or is there 
anyone around that can boast about having totally dissolved that ego or 
having that Ego totally dissolved him?).


I have been a dog breeder, and a very successful one (who is talking here, 
my ego or my love for others?), for  around 45 years, and my obedience 
methods give excellent results (ask Ivan Balavanoff, one of the most famous 
dog breeders in the world, for sure in USA, of the Ot Vitosha kennels, about 
his methods... neither of us use the Beisbol Bat Technique ) but the fact 
that you use a very controversial method does not in the littlest way opaque 
all the good you do through this list.


You can be sure you are not at the bottom of this list.

(Sorry if I gave a little OXIGEN to your ego. It was not my 
intention...)


Carlos




To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ode
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:33:49 -0500


I think Ode's Brain is getting heavily oxygenated by absorption through 
the  ethers regarding the topic of MMS. He is racking up the points today.



   It seemed to make me get my terms mixed up.
Now every one has me on the bottom of the list, ..
or, Maybe I was there all the time.

Hopefully I will recover soon.

Possibly I did not take enough.

Wayne





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Re: CS>Ode

2007-09-02 Thread Carlos P�rez

Second one today, Wayne,

No, you are not at the bottom of the list. Battles of Egos are normal (we 
have seen several examples of them in the last few weeks, have we not?), and 
the more "knowledge" we have (about any subject except ourselves), the more 
refined and sophisticated and complicated they get.


All of us, in a larger or smaller measure, get involved in them (or is there 
anyone around that can boast about having totally dissolved that ego or 
having that Ego totally dissolved him?).


I have been a dog breeder, and a very successful one (who is talking here, 
my ego or my love for others?), for  around 45 years, and my obedience 
methods give excellent results (ask Ivan Balavanoff, one of the most famous 
dog breeders in the world, for sure in USA, of the Ot Vitosha kennels, about 
his methods... neither of us use the Beisbol Bat Technique ) but the fact 
that you use a very controversial method does not in the littlest way opaque 
all the good you do through this list.


You can be sure you are not at the bottom of this list.

(Sorry if I gave a little OXIGEN to your ego. It was not my 
intention...)


Carlos




To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ode
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:33:49 -0500


I think Ode's Brain is getting heavily oxygenated by absorption through 
the  ethers regarding the topic of MMS. He is racking up the points today.



   It seemed to make me get my terms mixed up.
Now every one has me on the bottom of the list, ..
or, Maybe I was there all the time.

Hopefully I will recover soon.

Possibly I did not take enough.

Wayne





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Re: CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine

2007-09-02 Thread Pat
Daddybob said:

3rd easiest way: same as above but just suck the whole yolk down but allow
it to break up on your front teeth for easier swallowing.

4th easiest way: whole egg, suck it downs and break the yolk on your teeth.
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GAG  I'm still trying to get nerve to put one in my banana smoothie.  I do 
like eggnog, so will try to get over the raw egg aversion.  Don't know where I 
could find fertilized eggs though.  When I was a teen, I didn't eat eggs for a 
year after cracking one open and finding a chick lying in my frying pan.

Wayne, I love raw okra...I love it steamed or fried too, but raw is crisp and 
non-gooey.  It's hard to find it fresh and small enough in the grocery store 
though.  Okra goes from mouth to end-point in less than 24 hoursonly other 
thing that rivals that is watermelon.  Does that count as a bowel cleanse?  
hahaha

  Pat



- Original Message 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2007 2:31:21 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine

How to eat raw eggs:

First, the eggs need to be from outdoor chickens that haved eaten bugs and
there must be an active rooster in the flock.

Smoothies and such are the easy way. Over agitation reduces the
effectiveness of raw eggs but any way is better than no way.

It is the yolk that is good for you.

Always crack an ungraded egg into a cup first. If the yolk isn't whole but
not smelly, save it for cooking. This does not include a yolk that isn't
whole because you broke it while cracking the egg, and it's easy to tell the
difference.

2nd easiest way: separate yolk from white by encircling the yolk with a
spoon and dragging it over the lip of the cup into another cup; now scramble
it a bit with a fork and drink it down; chase with whatever you like, even
bourbon. Hey, bourbon goes great with raw eggs; what do you think eggnog is?
But raw milk is better. Raw milk, raw eggs and good bourbon are great at
night. Leave off the nutmeg, it's not good for anything. If you need
sweet/spicy, use vanilla, cinnamon, honey or agave nectar. Also a great time
to mix in whey and colostrum. Maybe drop the bourbon for that.

3rd easiest way: same as above but just suck the whole yolk down but allow
it to break up on your front teeth for easier swallowing.

4th easiest way: whole egg, suck it downs and break the yolk on your teeth.

Hard way: several at once, tip your head back and swallow hard and fast. 

Whatever way you do it, you will notice a kind of strength that you do not
get from any other food, and your sinuses will dry up.

Daddybob


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RE: CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine

2007-09-02 Thread ransley
How to eat raw eggs:

First, the eggs need to be from outdoor chickens that haved eaten bugs and
there must be an active rooster in the flock.

Smoothies and such are the easy way. Over agitation reduces the
effectiveness of raw eggs but any way is better than no way.

It is the yolk that is good for you.

Always crack an ungraded egg into a cup first. If the yolk isn't whole but
not smelly, save it for cooking. This does not include a yolk that isn't
whole because you broke it while cracking the egg, and it's easy to tell the
difference.

2nd easiest way: separate yolk from white by encircling the yolk with a
spoon and dragging it over the lip of the cup into another cup; now scramble
it a bit with a fork and drink it down; chase with whatever you like, even
bourbon. Hey, bourbon goes great with raw eggs; what do you think eggnog is?
But raw milk is better. Raw milk, raw eggs and good bourbon are great at
night. Leave off the nutmeg, it's not good for anything. If you need
sweet/spicy, use vanilla, cinnamon, honey or agave nectar. Also a great time
to mix in whey and colostrum. Maybe drop the bourbon for that.

3rd easiest way: same as above but just suck the whole yolk down but allow
it to break up on your front teeth for easier swallowing.

4th easiest way: whole egg, suck it downs and break the yolk on your teeth.

Hard way: several at once, tip your head back and swallow hard and fast. 

Whatever way you do it, you will notice a kind of strength that you do not
get from any other food, and your sinuses will dry up.

Daddybob


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Re: CS>Salt in CS for Sinus?

2007-09-02 Thread Tony Moody
Yes Pat, 

Your son is most probably correct. If I am about to do my sinuses then I 
usually add salt to 
the already made CS. For me this does prevent stinging. I add about 1/4 
teaspoon per cup of 
tepid CS. Adding the salt after the CS is made will prevent the CS being 
altered 
electrochemically

The over-ruling wisdom on this list is Do Not Add Salt to the water while 
making CS. There is 
supposed to be a risk of making undesirable compounds of silver 
electrochemically if one 
does add salt to the water while running the CS making process.  

Personally I make CS with well water and have not turned blue yet. But that is 
because 
distilled water is not practical to obtain where I live. 

Hope this helps,
Tony Moody


On 1 Sep 2007 at 17:21, Pat wrote about :
Subject : CS>Salt in CS for Sinus?

> 
> My son decided to try colloidal silver for his sinus infections. He'd
> been having a tiny bit of success with a saline solution which had
> xylitol in it. He said he felt he should add a bit of salt to the
> already made CS so it would be compatible. I said not to, but just now
> I read this and so I wonder:
> 
> 
> In order to put silver into the sinus cavities a small amount of salt
> must be added to make an isotonic solution . When just enough salt is
> added, the salinity of the solution matches the salinity of the body
> tissue. This prevents the painful sensation that one experiences when
> water goes up the nose in a swimming pool.
> 
> 
> I thought we should never put salt into CS unless we're going for the
> Smurf look.
> 
>  Pat
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Does Salt/C protocol interfere with CS protocol, cayenne pepper?

2007-09-02 Thread S-Max
Hi Carlos, 
And my condolences first off. I guess you have found the Lymestrategies
Yahoo Group. If you have, you will quickly become a family member. Welcome! 
 
Bryan Rosner (Lyme Disease and Rife Machines) and Marc Fett (owner/moderator
of Lymestrategies and co-author) recommend taking CS while doing the
SeaSalt/Vitamin C protocol. There is no reason not too. It can do no harm,
and it can do all the world of good as you have experienced. Regarding
cayenne, many who are fighting Lyme with Salt/C take this as a very helpful
supplement for a variety of reasons. No problem there at all. 
 
If you are already a member of LS, do a search and you will see all of the
people and posts regarding the inclusion of both CS and cayenne. 
 
Are you planning on doing the MMS? I don't think the two protocols can be
done together, as Vitamin C is the anti-dote for MMS. 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Carlos Pérez 
 
Hello, friends, 
 
In my battle against a very serious 10 year old chronic Ehrlichiosis (many 
of you know have read about it), which all indications tell me I am winning 
or already wan with the help of CS and Cayenne pepper (besides my normal 
healthy habits related to eating, exercising and avoiding inconvenient 
activities), I am ready to start the Salt/C protocol, as a previous step 
before starting another intense cycle in which I consume around 24 ounces of

CS   
Carlos 
 


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Re: CS>Mike: Off Topic list is out of order

2007-09-02 Thread Clayton Family
I am subscribed at the same address, and the last time I got a msg to 
the off topic list was august 10.


I have sent test msgs from time to time,  but they have not showed up.

On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, M. G. Devour wrote:


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If you want to get the OT list delivered to a different address and
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It's not difficult, but not the default behavior of the way I've got
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Hope that answers a couple of questions about using the OT list.

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CS>Non C/S - A Plea from CanLyme - To (IDSA) - Pointing to the System-Wide Corruption

2007-09-02 Thread S-Max
Forwarded to the Silverlist by S-Max

 
From: lil...@aol.com 
Date: 9/2/2007 9:05:14 AM 
To: eastbayl...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [EastBayLyme] Good letter pro-ILADS position 
 
August 26th, 2007 
 
The Honorable Jon S. Corzine Chairman 
Health and Human Services Committee 
National Governors Association 
444 North Capitol Street, NW, Suite 267 
Washington, DC 20001 
 
Dear Governor Corzine, 
 
This is further to the Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) 
president, Dr. Henry Masur's letter to you dated August 7th, 2007. 
 
We do not normally involve ourselves outside of Canada on the 
political front, but the issue of Lyme disease is borderless so 
please indulge us for our imposition. 
 
The IDSA guidelines have done more harm to people throughout North 
America than any other medical guidelines we are aware of. Because 
the infectious disease community in Canada are so closely tied with 
the IDSA, this Canadian group adopted the guidelines (Canada has done 
no research of it's own) and these guidelines have now become 
entrenched in our closed socialized system. This is one massive flaw 
in our medical system, it allows outside lobby groups such as the 
IDSA who for the most part represent business interests, to easily 
dominate our medical care. We've become too comfortable in avoiding 
the cost of doing research here in Canada by simply adopting research 
of others, no matter how poorly executed the research is. 
 
We attach a copy of our letter to the IDSA medical journal in 
response to their published guidelines. 
 
Until proper post mortem, and multiple live tissue studies per 
victim, employing all testing technology available is done on victims 
of those several diseases linked to Borrelia burgdorferi, the 
bacteria that causes Lyme disease, very little can be said about 
present testing accuracy, prevalence, what symptoms can be attributed 
to chronic Lyme disease, and what treatment methods are effective. 
This makes the entire IDSA document premature and not worthy of a 
health care guideline. 
 
We are attaching copies of research abstracts showing just a fraction 
of the research that has been done relative to other diseases and 
Lyme. We are also attaching research showing transmission of this 
disease via a mother's placenta to her unborn child. 
 
If the IDSA is that confident in their recommended testing protocol, 
how possibly could Lyme bacteria be showing up in the numbers it is 
in these other diseases (Alzheimer's, Multiple Sclerosis, Colitis, 
Crohn's disease and many many others). 
 
Where along the line is it being missed? 
 
Only now that victims' associations are becoming strong enough to 
fund the necessary research that government has been reluctant to 
fund in both our countries for over two decades will the evidence 
flow forth to even begin to look at creating guidelines. 
2) 
It is this reason that laws must be put in place, to tell insurers it 
is not okay to deny longer term treatment for Lyme disease, and to 
protect those doctors who are doing their very best to keep their 
patients' quality of life manageable. Premature guidelines are being 
pushed upon doctors who know they will only cause harm to their 
patients. 
 
The IDSA has stated concerns about the dangers of antibiotics, and 
this is a good example of how poorly they support their position. 
Antibiotic harm pales in comparison to the heavy narcotics, anti- 
psychotics and other medications used to treat the many individual 
symptoms Lyme disease is responsible for. Some Lyme victims have to 
wean themselves off these dangerous drugs before they can start 
antibiotic therapy. Antibiotic resistance is a non-issue so long as 
we pump antibiotics into our food farm industry by the ton as we do 
now. 
 
The IDSA boasts about the 400 references they cite in their 
guidelines as though it somehow gives evidence as to their 
expertise. The majority of these references are the author's 
themselves and their cohorts citing each other's work after carefully 
pruning out any contradictory research from the in excess of 20,000 
research papers on Lyme disease from around the world. 
 
Doctors who dare look at the entire global databank of research are 
quickly put in place by their medical professional licensing bodies. 
Professional witch-hunts occur using tactics that would not be 
allowed in a public court setting. 
 
What never ceases to amaze us is how few people actually run the 
medical professional organizations who then also author guidelines, 
set testing criteria, and then police their members to enforce 
members do only what they tell them they can do. 
 
We all need to take a hard look at how often the leaders of one 
organization are also in the leader group of another, and who then 
also sit on policing panels. 
 
Why are the tens of thousands of good medical minds who do not own 
patents or represent medical insurance or other for profit interests 
not making the d

CS>Non C/S - OT - Why we need to be vigilant about tick bites

2007-09-02 Thread S-Max
As an example, here is one of the many of the same reports around the
country that I read about every day. 
 
The only word I would immediately change in this article is in the first
sentence - rare. This disease is only rare 
to those who remain unaware of the 'silent epidemic' in this country and
around the world. 
 
Ehrlichiosis is a common co-infection of Lyme Disease.  If you think you
have symptoms, or want to learn about this disease, 
join the many thousands in Lyme Yahoo Groups attempting to save their lives.
 
CS is a natural anti-biotic.  Many with Lyme Disease do take CS on a regular
basis who are savvy of alternatives.  But it is no guarantee to be a 'cure.'
 There is no known cure, yet, for Chronic Lyme Disease.  CS more than likely
is an excellent preventative though, but again, cannot be guaranteed to be
so.  Hopefully, MMS will help.  There always remains hope.
 
S-Max 
 
http://www.kansascihttp://www.khttp://wwhttp://www.http://www. 
 
Posted on Thu, Aug. 30, 2007 
Missouri teen dies from tick-borne disease 
The Associated Press 
 
CENTRALIA, Mo. | A 15-year-old girl has died from a rare but treatable 
tick-borne disease, officials said Thursday. 
 
The Boone County medical examiner's office identified the victim as Emily 
Powell, a Centralia High School freshman. The cause of death was 
erlichiosis, a bacterial illness. She died Wednesday, two days after being 
admitted to University Hospital in Columbia. 
 
Symptoms of ehrlichiosis include fever, headache, fatigue and muscle aches, 
according to the federal Centers for Disease Control. Other signs and 
symptoms can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cough, joint pains, 
confusion and rashes. 
 
Symptoms generally appear after an incubation period of five to 10 days 
following a tick bite. The disease, if detected early, can be treated with 
antibiotics. 
 
State officials reported 117 cases of ehrlichiosis through mid-August, 
nearly three times the annual average. Higher-than usual rates of Rocky 
Mountain spotted fever, tularemia and lyme disease are also being reported. 
 
© 2007 Kansas City Star and wire service sources 


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Re: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History )

2007-09-02 Thread S-Max
 
Wayne, I am very happy for you that you have been one of the lucky ones. 
Not so for the rest of us. 
Wayne said:  "So what if the head stays in the body? The body knows just
what to do about that."
--
WRONG! In this case, DEAD WRONG! And extremely dangerous type of
information to be spreading with this type of horrific infectious disease. 
That comment has RED FLAGS all over it, Wayne.  You need to read up and
inform yourself and never tell anyone the body knows what to do when bitten
by a tick. 
 
People are being crippled, lives devastated, and are dying from Lyme Disease
and the co-infectionsand don't even know it is Lyme Disease that is killing
them. 
 
The body does NOT know what to do with Lyme Infection. Please don't ever
tell anyone that!  Only those with a cast iron immune system seem to not get
run over by this disease and have tendencies to not show symptoms,  But that
does NOT mean that they are not infected.  Immune deficiency runs rampant in
this country.  
 
You MUST get anti-biotics within the first 72 hours. After that the immune
system has a most difficult, if not impossible, time recognizing these
bacteria, spirochetes, and parasitic infections. This is a disease that
comes with multitudes of co-infections such as Babesia, Ehrlichiosis,
Bartonella, etc. Hundreds of thousands of various replicating and mutating
elements that the body can't fight by itself. NO WAY! This is PARTLY, and I
say repeat, Partly, an infection that was designed for bio-terrorism that
the body doesn't have the potential to recognize.  It doesn't know what it
is looking for. It was designed for that purpose.  Read Lab 257, if you have
the stomach for it. Can you spell PLUM ISLAND! For heavens sakes! The
spirochetes are MASTERS at camouflage and know how to hide and where to hide
in the body where anti-biotics cannot get to them or have any affect on them
whatsoever. Many of them DO NOT have a Cell Wall. These critters are so
smart, so brilliant, so genius, that they will transform themselves into
cysts that cannot be touched, or turn themselves into something the body
recognizes as part of itself, and hence, WILL NOT attack it. 
 
A couple of the worst things you can do is to yank the tick off or smash it
while still attached to you! The tick WILL inevitably let go of the contents
in its jaw directly into your bloodstream. Let's say the tick recently
sucked the blood of something else with Lyme Disease, guess what? And that
is if it wasn't already a lyme tick or insect carrying lyme.  I am certain
that you know the rest of the story. Some people are lucky in that some
ticks and some insects do not carry the lyme infection.  Do you want to
chance that though, and would you be willing to risk a guess whether or not
it is one of those that just bit you?
 
There are millions of people walking around with Lyme Disease that do not
show symptoms, and there are millions of people walking around with Lyme
Disease that DO show symptoms, but do not know that the symptoms they are
showing are actually Lyme Disease. Many if not most of doctors do not know,
so how could they inform their patients or clients. Lyme mimics symptoms of
many of the worst diseases and illnesses.  Ask yourself - do Doctors know
about Nutrition? Why Not? Believe me! 98% of Lyme victims were told by their
doctors that either Lyme disease doesn't exist in their state, or there is
no such thing as Lyme Disease, or are told you don't have lyme disease, or
are just simply ignored, passed off, or told they have MS or arthritis, etc.
 The Western Blot and Elissa blood tests get  the diagnosis wrong most of
the time and are known as a joke in the Lyme community.  Doctors are
tremendously ignorant of this disease and so is the population at large. I
wonder why? Follow the money and follow the corruption.  Do yourself, your
life a favor, and get the tick out the proper way to be on the safe side.
Find yourself the best LLMD you can and go there.  Have the name of one in
your area handy, just in case.  Just like you would know which emergency
clinic to take your beloved pet to if that were the case.  At least an LLMD
won't tell you there is no such thing as Lyme Disease.
S-Max 
 
 
From: CWFugitt 
 
Morning Dee, 
So what if the head stays in the body? The body knows just what to do 
 
About that. It will spit it out in due time. 
 
When a tick gets on me, I will not waste my time with the gadgets, worry, 
 
Or anything else. I jerk the critter off, go right on and never look back. 
 
What do you figure Primitive Man Did ? Call a meeting, have a conference, 
 
Or a Tick Removal ceremony? 


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RE: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History )

2007-09-02 Thread Dee
Very well put Carlos.  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Carlos Pérez 

Date: 02/09/2007 16:36:49 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: RE: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History ) 

 

Elses''s 

Body alone, withot help, do what it knows how to do, there for sure would 

Be many sad relatives or friends mourning for additional unnecessarily lost 

Ones. 

 

In all these cases, and in dozens of others, I (and I am sure you too) have 

Considered to act and try to do something about the problems when they 

Arise, instead of assuming 

 

>"The body knows just what to do about that." 

 

ICarlos 

 

 

 


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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread Dee
I don't really know Carol Ann, but I am definitely not drinking something
which has a bleaching action.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Carol Ann 

Date: 02/09/2007 15:57:22 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and  The Chase 

 

Dee and Dan, 

Thus far Xyitol has been proven safe and highly recommended by folks. I have
a blueberry extract that I sometimes mix with water because it is rather
plain tasting. Upon mixing in the Xyitol, the extract which is a deep blue
when it mixes with the water, became as if it were bleached out. Does
chemical reaction make either the blueberry extract or the Xyitol dangerous,
or both. 

 


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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread Dee
That's a good one Faith.  I always thought of the devil as all evil that is
committed, but of course, it is the people who commit the evil, so I suppose
the evil ones are the 'devil(s)'.  Sorry that's not 25 words or less.  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

 

, 

 

 

Dear Ode: 

 

 

The way many people talk one might think that the Devil is a persona. 

 

In 25 words or less, who is the Devil? 

 

Thanks. 

 

Faith 

 

 

 

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Re: CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine

2007-09-02 Thread Dee
Well, again I have been pain free most of my life up until a few years ago
when a back injury caused what little I have now.  I have never had any
allergies or diarrhoea; (can eat anything) apart from occasional 'traffic
jams' .  I have good eyesight and hearing too.  I have never drunk milk in
my life as I hate it, but live on eggs, but cooked.  I do veg and fruit
juice though, if occasionally.  I just cannot do the whole health food thing
 I find it boring and the food boring, even if it is good for you, but as I
consider myself healthy (especially with regard to what some on this list
have to suffer) I really have no complaints.  I am careful with products I
use though, i.e. Washing stuff and don't use household cleaners etc.,  no
vaccinations. Dee 



---Original Message--- 

 

From: CWFugitt 

Date: 09/02/07 15:00:01 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine 

 

Morning Dee, 

 

>> At 08:28 AM 9/2/2007, you wrote: 

> Mind you, neither could I eat raw eggs and milk, I think I would rather 

> have a few aches and pains! Dee 

 

I laughed as I read that. Where did you get such a mindset ? 

Must have been your ancestors. 

 

I eat raw okra also. Bet you would not do that. 

 

Maybe you are not related to the same tribe of cavemen I am. 

 

Of course raw eggs are tasteless and invisible when added to a protein 

Drink, Whey protein, or a fruit drink mixed good with a blender. So, it 

Has to be the mind, not the taste and consistency. 

 


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RE: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History )

2007-09-02 Thread Carlos P�rez


Hello, Wayne

You wrote:

My real questions is, if the tick is infected, how long does it have to 
remain attached before the >body is infected ? One minute, three minutes or 
5 minutes?


One minute, very little possibilities.

One hour, some possibilities

One day, many possibilities

I my experience, and in many other persons and investigators' experience 
(including CDC and others, which are sometimes right), time has A LOT to do 
(in direct proportion) with the possibility of being infected by a tick, as 
does leaving mouth parts inside a person's skin.


In contact with a natural environment (mountain, sea, prairies, 
semi-desertic places, farms, etc.), where I have spent a good part of my 74 
and 3/4 years, I and any other person with some experience will try to solve 
problems that arise in the best way we can. Stepping on a half buried river 
sting ray is no joke, a dozen large sea urchin's imbedded spikes not either, 
as not a joke either a forest fire that is surrounding a family house in a 
farm, or a half frozen person that got lost in the Andes mountains peaks and 
would for sure have died if left to what his body knew what to do.


As a swimmer (and lifeguard), and scuba diver, and fisherman, and sailboat 
passionate, I saved the life of many dozens of persons of all ages, 
including small children that were drowining just a few feet away from their 
mothers, while they very animatedly chatted to each other sitting right in 
front of them on the edge of the swimming pool, with their legs inside the 
water.


In the water, plains, mountain or wherever, in all cases I and many, many 
others (including you) have done the best we could in order to help 
ourselves or others. If in many cases we had left our own or somebody elses' 
body  alone, withot help, do what it knows how to do, there for sure would 
be many sad relatives or friends mourning for additional unnecessarily lost 
ones.


In all these cases, and in dozens of others, I (and I am sure you too) have 
considered to act and try to do something about the problems when they 
arise, instead of assuming



"The body knows just what to do about that."


I believe the body of any live being also also knows just what to do about 
some available help in any moment. As a matter of fact, that is how any of 
us function every second of our lives. Food we get is help. CS we use is 
help. Making an effort in trying to lead a healthy life is help. Trying to 
find water to drink after being very much dehydrated is help. Drinking your 
own urine is help (and a big one...!) if you find no water.


Helping our body do what it knows how to do usually helps.

I am sure your (and also mine, in spite of Ehrlichiosis) way above average 
good health would not have been and would not be the same if you and I and 
many others would not at a given moment acted instead of just waiting to see 
what our body decided to do. Trying to learn, learning how to think clearly 
(not too common...) is trying to find help.

You wrote:

Many, many years back, when I got on the nutrition bandwagon many good 
things happened.


Trying to feel ourselves, trying to find out how we work, trying to lead a 
life which is in accordance to our human nature, which means in accordance 
with Nature, are all efforts that we make in order to help ourselves or 
others.


As soon as Adelle Davis started writing her books I started reading them. In 
spite of many mistakes she made (some serious ones), they helped me and many 
others to improve our health. As a matter of fact, they helped me to find 
out many instances where she was wrong.


Learning from our mistakes is one of the best helps we can get.

Your wide experience in many fields, your permanent disposition to help, 
your available archives and files, all of which have so much benefited me 
and countless others, is available help.


Thank you, Wayne.

Kindest regards,

Carlos




From: CWFugitt 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com



Subject: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick  ( My bogus History )
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 06:55:45 -0500

Morning Dee,

>>At 03:36 AM 9/2/2007, you wrote:

I think because if it suffocates and dies before it lets go, then the
mouthpiece could conceivably be left in the skin.  Ditto burning it.


  So what if the head stays in the body?  The body knows just what to do 
about that.   It will spit it out in due time.




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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Nave

faith gagne wrote:


The way many people talk one might think that the Devil is a persona.

In 25 words or less, who is the Devil?

Thanks.

Faith




(Speaking of the objective "you," not you personally.)

Simplistically speaking, the Devil is your Ego.

It is a persona, your persona...  It is not really *real* 
but is more like a computer program, like the "Agents" in 
the movie "The Matrix."  It pretends to be *you*.  Listen to 
it speaking in your mind (internal dialog).  It is very devious.


It is not your friend.

Dan


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Re: CS>Salt in CS for Sinus?

2007-09-02 Thread sol
DMSO in CS is also great for sinuses. And though it burns mildly in the 
sinuses for a minute or so, it paradoxically makes CS quite comfortable 
in the eyes. No salt needed. Though I used to add some salt to CS for 
use as nose drops/sinus, for comfort reasons, I no longer do, finding 
the CS/DSMO much more effective. Only 1 to 2% DMSO is needed.

sol

Ode Coyote wrote:
  The completed reaction is not instantaneous and using CS without 
salt is doing the same thing when squirted into a saline environment.

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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread Carol Ann
Dee  and Dan,
Thus far Xyitol has been proven safe and highly recommended by folks.  I have a 
blueberry extract that I sometimes mix with water because it is rather plain 
tasting.  Upon mixing in the Xyitol, the extract which is a deep blue when it 
mixes with  the water, became as if it were bleached out.  Does chemical 
reaction make either  the blueberry extract or the Xyitol dangerous, or both. 

Dan Nave  wrote: A bottle of bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is 
not exactly the 
same thing as sodium chlorite and has somewhat different 
chemical action...

That is why it is good to try to understand what is going 
on.  On the other hand, it is also safe most of the time to 
be cautious.

Dan



Dee wrote:
> Well, I know that my product (stabilised oxygen) is not the same thing as
> MMS but it is supposed to be similar, and when I saw the way it bleached the
> blackberry/raspberry juice, I would never use that again for ingestion.  I
> may use it to cure mold or something, behind the sink!  Very expensive that,
> considering a bottle of bleach is about 62p and that cost me £16.99! Dee  
> 


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Re: CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine

2007-09-02 Thread faith gagne

Hi Wayne:

I've heard that we are ALL related to the same cavemen.

I love milk and drink it all the time.  The best I can do is to buy it at 
Trader Joes where they say the milk does not contain BHT.  I have always 
loved milk.


But I do not tolerate the taste nor the consistency of okra, and I am 
allergic to eggs and THAT is not a mindset.  We are all different.


You must be one strong healthy dude.

Faith




- Original Message - 
From: "CWFugitt" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine



Morning Dee,

>> At 08:28 AM 9/2/2007, you wrote:
 Mind you, neither could I eat raw eggs and milk, I think I would rather 
have a few aches and pains!  Dee


   I laughed as I read that.  Where did you get such a mindset ?
Must have been your ancestors.

   I eat raw okra also.  Bet you would not do that.

   Maybe you are not related to the same tribe of cavemen I am.

Of course raw eggs are tasteless and invisible when added to a protein 
drink,  Whey protein, or a fruit drink mixed good with a blender.  So, it 
has to be the mind, not the taste and consistency.


I have a 1929 article from the Mayo clinic about milk.
The study with raw milk showed most people get well, and some loose 100 
pounds.


Eggs are likely the best food on the face of the earth with milk being a 
close second.  Both kept me strong and healthy for many years.


Strong bones and good discs are important for being pain free.
I left out a few things in my brief history.

I have wrecked cars, motorcycles, horses have fallen with me when running, 
even on paved roads, I have fallen out of trees, ..

never broke a bone in my life.

I used to lift the front end of tractors, one end of a cross tie, long 
ones called "Switch Ties".  These are the ones used when the railroad 
tracks fork.  They have to be much longer.
Also lifted bales of cotton by myself.  Used to haul hay alone and some 
bales weighed 135 pounds.


I never hurt my back, never pulled a muscle, never damaged a disc.
Must have been the raw eggs and milk. Of course the Vitamin D  from 
working in the sun all day long helped everything.


For many visitors and friends, I mix a protein drink or fruit drink.
They all say, "No Raw eggs"   Darn  I should change the rules.

No raw egg, no drink !

Hard to believe you rather have pain as to eat a tasteless raw egg.

Wayne


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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread faith gagne



I've become suspicious of all the sides, I suppose.
It would seem that everybody lies, but the Devil lies the least.
[If you can define a lie as, not knowing, as well as intentional 
deception...like Michael Moore does while he intentionally makes 
omissions. ]



Ode


,


Dear Ode:

Many of us know that everybody lies from time to time.   What counts is the 
underlying agenda.


If you have seen the movie "Sicko" please tell me what omissions Michael 
Moore makes in the movie?  What is Mr. Moore trying to do by producing this 
movie?


The way many people talk one might think that the Devil is a persona.

In 25 words or less, who is the Devil?

Thanks.

Faith



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CS>Raw Eggs, Milk, and Sunshine

2007-09-02 Thread CWFugitt

Morning Dee,

>> At 08:28 AM 9/2/2007, you wrote:
 Mind you, neither could I eat raw eggs and milk, I think I would rather 
have a few aches and pains!  Dee


   I laughed as I read that.  Where did you get such a mindset ?
Must have been your ancestors.

   I eat raw okra also.  Bet you would not do that.

   Maybe you are not related to the same tribe of cavemen I am.

Of course raw eggs are tasteless and invisible when added to a protein 
drink,  Whey protein, or a fruit drink mixed good with a blender.  So, it 
has to be the mind, not the taste and consistency.


I have a 1929 article from the Mayo clinic about milk.
The study with raw milk showed most people get well, and some loose 100 pounds.

Eggs are likely the best food on the face of the earth with milk being a 
close second.  Both kept me strong and healthy for many years.


Strong bones and good discs are important for being pain free.
I left out a few things in my brief history.

I have wrecked cars, motorcycles, horses have fallen with me when running, 
even on paved roads, I have fallen out of trees, ..

never broke a bone in my life.

I used to lift the front end of tractors, one end of a cross tie, long ones 
called "Switch Ties".  These are the ones used when the railroad tracks 
fork.  They have to be much longer.
Also lifted bales of cotton by myself.  Used to haul hay alone and some 
bales weighed 135 pounds.


I never hurt my back, never pulled a muscle, never damaged a disc.
Must have been the raw eggs and milk. Of course the Vitamin D  from working 
in the sun all day long helped everything.


For many visitors and friends, I mix a protein drink or fruit drink.
They all say, "No Raw eggs"   Darn  I should change the rules.

No raw egg, no drink !

Hard to believe you rather have pain as to eat a tasteless raw egg.

Wayne


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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Nave
A bottle of bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is not exactly the 
same thing as sodium chlorite and has somewhat different 
chemical action...


That is why it is good to try to understand what is going 
on.  On the other hand, it is also safe most of the time to 
be cautious.


Dan



Dee wrote:

Well, I know that my product (stabilised oxygen) is not the same thing as
MMS but it is supposed to be similar, and when I saw the way it bleached the
blackberry/raspberry juice, I would never use that again for ingestion.  I
may use it to cure mold or something, behind the sink!  Very expensive that,
considering a bottle of bleach is about 62p and that cost me £16.99! Dee  




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Re: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History )

2007-09-02 Thread Clayton Family


On Sep 2, 2007, at 6:55 AM, CWFugitt wrote:


My real questions is, if the tick is infected, how long does it have 
to remain attached before the body is infected ?


One minute, three minutes or 5 minutes?
Same point and question about a mosquito bite?  How long to infect the 
body.


The drs here in mpls say 24 hours- the shorter the less risk.  I am not 
sure if you want to rely on that or what.


I was extremely healthy all my life until age 65 when I found out I 
had a heart valve problem, supposedly due to a strep infection.
Darn... I could have been hit by a train I guess which would have 
been a little worse.


I guess this proves something can go wrong no matter how careful you 
are.




Many people with valve problems from strep need heart surgery to repair 
it when they are younger than that, so I have heard, so it seems like 
you extended that time with your program.


Thanks for the list of health benefits, it is inspiring.

Kathryn


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Re: CS>Fw: Non S/C - Tick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite

2007-09-02 Thread Carlos P�rez
Another remedy very widely and efficiently used, if available, is anti-lice 
shampoo (for human use, even though dog anti-fleas/ticks shampoo is 
eventually used in emergencies).


When a person gets all over its body hundreds or thousands of ticks, the 
first thing to do is to try to get them out as soon as possible, preferably 
whole. Not wasting time is important since the possibility to be infected 
rises in direct proportion to time elapsed after being bit. Shampooing them 
will also finally kill them, but one has to learn the right timing. Washing 
the shampoo too early leads to have a few ticks loose, alive and kicking, 
and the majority still attached, alive and sucking. Of course, using 
irational methods like shaving them off (it has been done, I tell you...!) 
can lead to serious trouble.


Using natural greases tremendously difficults their breathing, therefore 
they try to get off BEFORE they die, even though these tiny monsters are so 
tremendously stubborn that sometimes they would rather die than let go.


I have never used vaseline, petroleum jelly or any artificial grease, but I 
can assure you in emergency I would not hesitate to use them if it was the 
only solution available. Getting one or half a dozen ticks off is a 
relatively simple matter. If you get them in numbers you can not count, then 
you are in trouble, even if they are not infected with Lyme, Ehrlichiosis, 
Tularemia, Babesiosis, Encephalitis or any of the many infernal gifts easily 
available from them.


Regards,

Carlos



From: "Dee " 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: Non S/C - Tick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:36:46 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

I think because if it suffocates and dies before it lets go, then the
mouthpiece could conceivably be left in the skin.  Ditto burning it. Dee

---Original Message---



From: Sol

Date: 02/09/2007 00:37:19

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Fw: Non S/C - Tick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite



I've never read WHY NOT to use Vaseline to remove a tick (or a flea).

Anybody know?

Thanks,

Sol





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Re: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History )

2007-09-02 Thread Dee
Well I have to say that I have never personally had a tick Wayne, it is our
dogs in the UK that seem to get them.  The little tool I have is a quick and
easy way of getting them off, without leaving anything attached, so this is
what I do.  Some people have done as you said, *or* burnt them etc., and
this has resulted in a big swollen lump which is obviously infected, so with
the added threat of Lyme's I think my way is best.  

Congrats on all the other stuff, by the way, and although I feel I am quite
healthy, I don't match up to that !  Mind you, neither could I eat raw
eggs and milk, I think I would rather have a few aches and pains!  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: CWFugitt 

Date: 02/09/2007 12:58:32 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History ) 

 

Morning Dee, 

 

 

So what if the head stays in the body? The body knows just what to do 

About that. It will spit it out in due time. 

 

When a tick gets on me, I will not waste my time with the gadgets, worry, 

Or anything else. I jerk the critter off, go right on and never look back. 

 

What do you figure Primitive Man Did ? Call a meeting, have a conference, 

Or a Tick Removal ceremony? 

 


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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread Dee
Well, I know that my product (stabilised oxygen) is not the same thing as
MMS but it is supposed to be similar, and when I saw the way it bleached the
blackberry/raspberry juice, I would never use that again for ingestion.  I
may use it to cure mold or something, behind the sink!  Very expensive that,
considering a bottle of bleach is about 62p and that cost me £16.99! Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Ode Coyote 

Date: 09/02/07 14:10:31 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and  The Chase 

 

Chlorine Dioxide , like Ozone is not exactly an "Oxygenator" it's an 

Oxidizer , as in "burn" 

It's a little more selective than Ozone about the range of organic 

Molecules it destroys. 

 

 

A few more clues: 

http://www.lenntech.com/water-disinfection/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide
htm 

 

Regardless of how whatever works and how dangerous it may or may not be, 

The real question is: 

DOES it "work" and how much damage does Chlorine gas, oxidation of 

Non-target organic molecules and the byproducts of all that do in the process? 


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Re: CS>Re: MLM, MMS, and ........ the Chase

2007-09-02 Thread Ode Coyote


I read part one pretty quick with an eye for what it was, then looked for 
coroboration and found it.


I didn't focus on what his chemist said, or the ranting about "Enemies of 
the greatest secret ever revealed"skimmed  for the gist and went 
outside the "story"

 His role is to make the chemistry fit the story.  Does it fit?  Maybe.
 The wonderful part is that the story actually did reveal something to 
look at,  from outside the story.

 That, is unusual.
I've been burned by a whole lot of Faith-yanker "Stories"... a whole lot of 
times.
I'd just love to "believe", but *don't look* AND *look here* keeps 
attracting my attention away.
 I've heard it a thousand times.  " The Devil is out there!" [OK good, 
we're going to have a conversation...even if I can't grasp the details ]

Not much faith in the faithful, left.

Chlorine Dioxide , like Ozone is not exactly an "Oxygenator"  it's an 
oxidizer , as in  "burn"
It's a little more selective than Ozone about the range of organic 
molecules it destroys.



A few more clues:
http://www.lenntech.com/water-disinfection/disinfectants-chlorine-dioxide.htm

Regardless of how whatever works and how dangerous it may or may not be, 
the real question is:
 DOES it "work" and how much damage does Chlorine gas, oxidation of 
non-target organic molecules and the byproducts of all that do in the process?

Compared to:
How much damage does Malaria do?
People who aren't dead can heal up. [And a clean surface can help with that ]
 A blowtorch *can* be a good friend to the painter, so long as he doesn't 
burn the house down.
To take that a bit further, Old rotten paint scrapes off easier than new 
tough paint.
 So, if scouring the pipes with figurative Drain-o doesn't make them leak 
and the grease goes out...go for it!

PVC doesn't grow back, but people pipes do.

Something that has been bothering me about the whole "Blood Oxygenation" thing:
Disregarding absorption data and unintended reactions before the Oxidizing 
substance even gets to the target area...Disregarding what happens to it 
along the way AND after it gets thereJust how much Oxygen are we really 
talking about?
Can Ozone, OH radicals in water, or Chlorine Dioxide even supply anything 
close to a significant amount of Oxygen to the blood stream in 
concentrations that don't horribly compromise lung surfaces, blood cells 
and vessel walls?
 Can an oxidation agent that "burns" do anything but yield "smoke and 
ash"? [so to speak]
If the molecule does what it's supposed to do [Oxidize a pathogen, or 
whatever else ]  that Oxygen has been "locked up" by the reaction.  It's 
hard to see where Oxidizers would "Oxygenate" anything, at any 
concentration. [Defined as: Delivering usable Oxygen to cells in the way 
breathing does for a controlled burn in the stove vs a pack of matches in 
the attic. ]


It's not that hard to test for Oxygen levels in blood, but I don't see 
charts anywhere.  Am I blind?  [could be ]

 How about before and after slides of the blood cells?  Seen any?
I have "felt" a bit of a euphoria-like feeling after ingesting  OH radical 
rich water [with silver ions in it ] but I'm not entirely sure it wasn't 
Oxygen deprivation euphoria.  [But again, one ounce of 20 PPM OH ain't much 
of anything in 4-6 quarts of blood, if it even gets that far, not to 
mention the whole of the body volume]

 Oddly, *killing* cells in the body often "feels" good.
Might even be converting coffee in the tummy into some sort of drug...like, 
Caffeine into Methamphetamine   [Where are those dried banana peels? LOL ]
The people who belive in all this are the same people that avoid free 
radicals like the plague  and take antioxidants like candy.

 Wassup?


I don't have a lot of faith in African documents.  It's likely you can get 
anything you want signed for $10.

I dunno, kind of skeptical.  The simplicity of it certainly appeals though.
I really hope it does work.  I also hope that American Biotech isn't lying 
through their teeth about THEIR African adventure like they do about what 
their [actually really good] silver product is.


Also, everybody gets bent out of shape when "the pharm" uses Africans for 
Guinea pigs, but the "alt" can get away with ANYTHING!
 It's not OK for the Army to brainwash everybody with propaganda, but it 
is OK for Missionaries to do the same thing.


I've seen a lot of "saviours" with a Holy plan to save the world...that 
turned out to be a bucket of holes.
 I call it " Jesus complex " all with good intentions maybe, but what they 
really want is the worship.

It's a different material than money and power, but it's the same game.

I've become suspicious of all the sides, I suppose.
It would seem that everybody lies, but the Devil lies the least.
[If you can define a lie as, not knowing, as well as intentional 
deception...like Michael Moore does while he intentionally makes omissions. ]


Wander around in the UFO community for a while. [Try 20 or so years ]
May well be somethin

Re: CS>Salt in CS for Sinus?

2007-09-02 Thread Ode Coyote



  The completed reaction is not instantaneous and using CS without salt is 
doing the same thing when squirted into a saline environment.

 Mix and use immediately. Same with using Gatoraid to speed absorption.

Ode

At 05:21 PM 9/1/2007 -0700, you wrote:

My son decided to try colloidal silver for his sinus infections.  He'd 
been having a tiny bit of success with a saline solution which had xylitol 
in it.  He said he felt he should add a bit of salt to the already made CS 
so it would be compatible.  I said not to, but just now I read this and so 
I wonder:



In order to put silver into the sinus cavities a small amount of salt must 
be added to make an isotonic solution . When just enough salt is added, 
the salinity of the solution matches the salinity of the body tissue. This 
prevents the painful sensation that one experiences when water goes up the 
nose in a swimming pool.



I thought we should never put salt into CS unless we're going for the 
Smurf look.



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CS>Tick Removal, How Quick ( My bogus History )

2007-09-02 Thread CWFugitt

Morning Dee,

>>At 03:36 AM 9/2/2007, you wrote:

I think because if it suffocates and dies before it lets go, then the
mouthpiece could conceivably be left in the skin.  Ditto burning it.


  So what if the head stays in the body?  The body knows just what to do 
about that.   It will spit it out in due time.


When a tick gets on me, I will not waste my time with the gadgets, worry, 
or anything else.  I jerk the critter off, go right on and never look back.


What do you figure Primitive Man Did ?   Call a meeting, have a conference, 
or a Tick Removal ceremony?


My real questions is, if the tick is infected, how long does it have to 
remain attached before the body is infected ?


One minute, three minutes or 5 minutes?
Same point and question about a mosquito bite?  How long to infect the body.

I have read many messages about ticks and mosquitos.  Few people if any are 
concerned about the natural insect repellents the body can make.


Many, many years back, when I got on the nutrition bandwagon many good 
things happened.  I will list a few.


I could no longer drink cokes.  they tasted awful.
I stopped drinking beer
My sweat was not salty   ( yes the body can conserve the salt )

Some bogus fungus I had on my hand that the doctor said I would have the 
rest of my life,  Disappeared.  The medication was something like $ 50.00 
per bottle in the 50's or early 60's.


I could work 30 to 40 hours straight  and often did

Some allergies disappeared

Mosquito stopped biting me
Ticks no longer attached.   ( must have been 40 or more years since one did 
) and often I sat down in the grass in the woods, disassembled the 
carburetor of my motorcycle in my lap, many times.  No ticks on my body.


Bumble bee stings did not even make me stop cutting the grass
Wasp stings amounted to near nothing

No aches, no pains, seldom sore muscles even from running and lifting 
weights.


I threw away all sun glasses.  My optometrist said he had never seen anyone 
who eyes responded to light as good as mine.


I had better night vision that friends 10 and 15 years younger

When I was in my late 30s and early 40's my maximum accelerated heart rate 
was that of a teen ager, in excess of 200 beats per minute. It cold work at 
180 for hours it seemed.


Cholesterol was never over 212 in my whole life. ( now I consider the while 
cholesterol smear the biggest financial rip off in the history or modern man).


My memory was so good I wanted to forget things. It did help my learning 
and training on many special things, especially when I worked for IBM.


I could play a game of chess at the office, go home, and record the whole game.

I could shoot better than most due to keen eyes and steady hands

I must have had the vitamins and minerals right. I used desiccated liver, 
yeast, protein supplements, and even soy powder.


And no doubt the gallon of milk and 6 to 10 raw eggs per day helped.

I followed most of the Adelle Davis protocols, read ever book she wrote, 
bought dozens of them and gave them away.


I was extremely healthy all my life until age 65 when I found out I had a 
heart valve problem, supposedly due to a strep infection.
Darn... I could have been hit by a train I guess which would have been 
a little worse.


I guess this proves something can go wrong no matter how careful you are.

At times, my memory is slower than it once was. Most of you saw that I got 
drops and ounces mixed up.


That could have been due to being sleepy or low blood sugar.
I eat little food and have a poor appetite yet I maintain my body weight at 
about 185.


If I had not written all that, I might have forgot it, but I hope not.

I see many young people that appear healthy in their 20's and 30's.
I give them a short lecture in an effort to get them interested in healthy 
and nutrition. I visualize what will happen to them by age 50 or 60.


Would like to see this information on other people.

If others would write up a similar summary, I will stash them on my website 
for review by people that are interested.  It is still a small percent of 
the people that believe in our methods and principles.


Wayne













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Re: CS>Fw: Non S/C - Tick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite

2007-09-02 Thread Dee
I think because if it suffocates and dies before it lets go, then the
mouthpiece could conceivably be left in the skin.  Ditto burning it. Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Sol 

Date: 02/09/2007 00:37:19 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Fw: Non S/C - Tick Removal and Lyme Disease WebSite 

 

I've never read WHY NOT to use Vaseline to remove a tick (or a flea). 

Anybody know? 

Thanks, 

Sol 

 

 

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