Re: CS>Flu
> How about trying Beck's zapper? That will wipe your flu out in 1-2 days. > > Janine Great advice, the Beck blood electrifier has worked in a day or two for me two. Bil > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>LASER & CS
I just started testing the CS that I make, using a pocket laser and there is no red beam visible inside the glass even though the latest batch is quite yellow. Testing some store bought 10ppm (also yellow) I do see the red beam however it is very faint and only visible in a dark room. The laser does have a narrow beam and is very bright (produces a small red circle on a wall 30 feet away). Need advice. Bret -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>New Scars On Face
I had an accident last night and have some bad cuts on my face. I would like to find something that will prevent any scars from forming. Thank you, Bret -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Powerful Magnetic Healing/Growing
Dennis, My magnetic pulse generator uses 320VDC to fire the coil. 400mF capacitor. I wound the coil with 150 turns of no. 18 wire and a washer jumps up about 14". Is yours much different? If so what type of components did you use? Bil - Original Message - From: Dennis Lipter To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: Re: CS>Powerful Magnetic Healing/Growing > I built a "Beck" type kilogauss magnetic pulse generator and had fun > placing steel washers in the center of the coil and hurling them clear > across the room. > > Dennis > > POTTED PLANT wrote: > > > > Hi Everybody! > > > > Hy if you want to see some stuff on how powerful > > magnetic pulses may have a healing affect and how powerfully > > magnetized water can accelerate plant growth, then check out > > > > http://papimi.gr/cases/plantpic.htm > > > > They show pictures of the differences in growth of plants that > > were subjected to powerful magnetic pulses plus magnetized water and > > control plants. They also show how well the plants grow with just the > > magnetized water. > > > > The second generations of the "subjected" plants seem to > > have picked up the characteristic of the accelerated growth. > > > > Then hit the "main page" link to find out what the heck > > this is all about. > > > > I'll bet it turns some wheels in your heads. > > > > David > > > > -- > > E-mail to: broompi...@juno.com (no attachments) > > > > Otherwise: broompi...@netzero.net > > > > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > > > > > > __ > > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Re: Particle Size
Thank you so much Brooks. This really helps to clear things up. I like your idea of reversing the polarity of the DC every 10 seconds or so (up to 30 seconds). This sounds like it will actually keep the sludge from forming. I am planning on building an ultra low frequency 30VAC (square wave) circuit (same as reversing the wires to the electrodes) to test this out. Many thanks! Bil - Original Message - From: BROOKS BRADLEY To: 2001 TV VCR Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Particle Size > Dear Bil. > Please do understand, It has been a year > since we completed our CS evaluations and I would have to access our > archives (or have someone else do so) to obtain specific data. Since my > time seems to have a multitude of claims on it, and it is foundation > policy to not disclose actual data trainsexcept to cooperating > partners involved in specific projects..I would be unable to send or > post exact data. However, I can---based upon my personal > judgement---summarize efforts and disclose general parameters/findings > of "most" of our principal health-based researches. > With the foregoing in mind, I can---from general > memory---make some observations of possible value to you. I followed > our evaluations quite CLOSELY throughout the 12 month span of their > duration. > Regarding particle size stability. We tested material from > our evaluation samples at periods of 48 hrs after generation, 2 weeks > after generation; 2 months after generation; and 9 months after > generation. Except in those cases of "purposely generated" higher > currents ( above 12.5 MA for simple 2 electrode sys.), where there did > occur some particle agglomeration---at generation---we experienced very > little particle agglomerationor fall-out---during the entire 9 month > testing period. However, all of our samples were kept in opague glass > or plastic H2O2 bottles and in a stabilized temperature environment of > between 55 and 80 degrees F. Interestingly, some test samples left in > direct light (but not sunlight), in clear glass containers, maintained > both particle size, clarity and medical efficacy..for at least 45 > days (this was the longest period tested). > I do not know of the experiences of others, but heated water > (below 185 degrees F.) NEVER caused us a problem during generation. We > DID experience some particle agglomeration at increasing current levels > (continuously above 12.5). > However, as a point of information---when we maintained adequate > solution mixing/aggitation, plus polarity switching (anywhere between 10 > and 20 second intervals), we were able to achieve much higher current > levels (20+ M.A.), WITHOUT AGGLOMERATION OCCURRING. I never mentioned > this to the list membership because few of them have our control > resources for maintaining/observing all of the more critical parameters > required for achieving repeatable uniformity. We found that the > principal characteristic of elevated temperature---in our tests---was > its accelerating effect on the process. The most deleterious effects > came from NOT keeping the solution adequately mixed during the rapid > current run-ups---during some of our evaluations. The intensified > "particle cloud" between the electrodes (when not thoroughly > distributed) caused more complications, than did any other > parameter..excepting water quality and contamination substances. > Relating to you final question: actually, the initial > current increases were not found to be significant in their untoward > effects on the quality of the CS solutions. Problems began to manifest, > only after higher current levels were reached (because of increased > particle-field density AND the non-homogeneous character of the > conducting path), and then exponential current growth would occur if > these conditions were not promptly modified. > Attempting to generate CS of similar/identical strength > and composition is quite simple, provided one has access to a simple > Milliampere scale on a cheap multimeter. With this single tool and > through the use of common sense cleaning of the > electrodes---periodically---excellent product may be achieved. The > actual applied voltage may vary from 12 to 36 vdc without any > appreciable variation in the quality of the CS. Only the generation > time varies; if all parameters, other than applied voltage remain > constant. > I hope these comments are of value to you. > Sincerely. Brooks > Bradley. > > 2001 TV VCR wr
Re: CS>Re: Bacteria Book
Thank you Lew, I am a little mixed up between the lists that I now am on (Rife, Rifers, Silver). Is the help concerned with my retina problem? Bil - Original Message - From: fhlew To: ; 2001 TV VCR <2...@gnet.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:57 AM Subject: CS>Re: Bacteria Book > Bill: I remember Stan reminding us to talk Rife and not Colloidal Silver in > one >of the postings on CS. I suppose he was merely trying to draw us back >from wandering afar. Stan is opening the Textbook of Bacteriology now ! > >There are many out there wanting to help you. That includes me. > > With regards > Lew > > fhlew wrote: > > > Stan: Probably, you have a gold nugget in your hand. You have not > > mentioned > > the author/authors of the book: Textbook Of Bacteriolgy. I am > > intrigued > > by the short treatise on " Light and Other Radiations" which > > you have > > emailed in 4 pages.At present, I am looking into the photobiotive > > effects > >of photons on phytochemicals and colloidal minerals colloidal > > silver,in > >particular] reinforced either by Photodynamic Sensitization or > >Photodynamic Therapy, across the Blood-Brain Barrier Recently > >a second blood-brain barrier has been located by a research > > group]. A > >Russian group reported in an article some time ago that the > > Cerebro- > >spinal fluid circulation is not necessarily confined to the > > cerebro-spinal > >space, it extends peripherally to the distal parts of the > > body,bathing all the > >ramifications of the nervous system. This report is called to > > mind when > >a Canadian Group reported that their findings of toxic heavy > > metals in the > >brains and nervous systems of fishes,by passing the blood brain > > barrier. > > > > Light in photonic fluxes are conducted > > by special > > channels in plants and the human body. It has been proven that > > the > > Meridians or Energy Channels delineated by the system of > > Acupuncture > > conduct light. By photonic stimulating of the relevant > > acupoints in the > > body along the Meridians, light can be directed to the target > > area. > > > > Photonic activation of the ATPase > > System ,inducing > > extrapolation by widening of the water channels in the bilayer > > of cell > > membrane, may facilitate better transportation of > > phytochemicals or > > colloidal minerals across cells lining the blood-brain barrier. > > > > The induction may be effected by: > > > >1. Rife's Resonance Therapy > >2. Photon Sound Beam [ Lymphatic Massage ] -Ed Skilling > >3. Light-Emiting Diode Red Light Therapy [ LED] - NASA > > [ Using the Visible Red Light and the Infra-Red Light > > for > > photonic stimulation at acupoints for the routing > > of light > > along acupuncture pathways ] > > 4. Colour Therapy: The 7 colours of light VIBGOR]- > > each with a different wave-length for photonic > > stimulation of > > acupoints > > > > Man's dependence on photosynthesis is in > > more ways > > than one for sustenance and health. The botanical side of > > man has > > need of stored up energy produced by the resonance of two > > different > >wave-lengths of light during photosynthesis. Hence, the > > energy in > >plant food is the photosynthetic equivalent of a musical > > chord. > >Whether in man or in a plant,physiologically or abstractly, > > life is a > > melody. Light is a photonic nutrient and is futuristic > > medicine. > > > >" What is good for the body is medicine and at > > the same > > time food " - Lin Yutang > > > >" The Textbook of Bacteriology " published in 1939 is more > > than > > just " Light and Ot
CS>Re: help with eye
Thank you Carol, As I had said the retina problem started with a clot and unfortunately did not improve. I wish I had your formula several years ago when it happened. The problem now (as well as earlier) is that the retina is full of "new" capillaries which grow to take over for the clotted central retinal vein. Apparently they do not go away and this really messes up the vision. Bil - Original Message - From: Carol M. Ryan To: 2001 TV VCR Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:25 PM Subject: help with eye Hi, This past summer my father had a blood clot in his retina among many other problems in the same eye. I gave him a few specially designed and very potent herbal formulas. It took about 2 weeks and he started getting his eye sight back. In two months he says he can now see almost as good as the healthy eye. Some days he says they are equal. I posted the protocol I used for him about two weeks ago. I will resend this information if you wish. Carol Ryan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Help with Eye (retina) EMEM2 Anyone?
Thank you Ivan, I forgot to mention that the blood clot went away within a few weeks. But according to the doctors once the damage is done it doesn't really matter (many capillaries grow to take the place of the clotted vein and seriously effect vision). I will take a look at the links that you sent in case there is any hope there. What I really need is something that will cause tissue to regenerate. I have a EMEM2 rife type plasma tube generator and need to find what freq. might help. I just joined the rife-l...@eskimo.com Seems to be extremely small. I tried the rifers list and then canceled because they seemed to only allow discussion on the Rife-Bare tube device. So thanks again for the advice, I'll just plug along until I hit the jackpot. Bil - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 3:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina) > Hi Bil, > > I have not heard of CS having any results in this area. > I suggest enzyme therapy would be useful in your case in clearing the > blood clot. > http://www.mucos.de/uk/wiss/gefaesserkrankungen.htm > > Vinpocetine may also be of use. (see earlier post 10th Dec.) > http://lef.org/prod_hp/abstracts/vinpocetine.html#7 > > Also see Brooks Bradley's post : > CS>OT: Serendipitous Macular Degeneration Adjunctive Protocol - 9th > Dec. > regarding good results with the administration human growth hormone > (HGH) precursors. > > Further macular degeneration links: > http://www.royalrife.com/macular.html > http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/maladies/cataract.txt > > Good luck > Ivan. > > > > - Original Message - > From: 2001 TV VCR > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 1999 22:25 > Subject: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina) > > > > Has anyone used CS or heard of > > anything else to cure Macular > > Degeneration and also restore the > > damaged retina? > > > > I have a condition similar to MD. A few > > years ago I developed an occlusion of > > the central retinal vein (in other words > > a blood clot in the main vein leaving the > > eye) in my left eye. This seems to have > > occured days after bumping my head > > very hard on a sliding glass door. > > > > UCLA opthomologists said that there is > > no treatment and that the condition would > > probably clear up and that my vision > > would be restored. Well it just got worse, > > maybe because I live at 8,000 ft. > > > > I can still see about the same as a few > > years ago (very poorly - cannot see the > > letters on the eyechart). Any advice on > > how to fix the retina (macular section > > badly damaged) would be very much > > appreciated. > > > > Bil > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina)
Thanks Chuck, Sound like a good mix to me, think I'll try it. Bil - Original Message - From: Charles King To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:54 PM Subject: Re: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina) > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:25:28 -0800, "2001 TV VCR" wrote: > > >Has anyone used CS or heard of > >anything else to cure Macular > >Degeneration and also restore the > >damaged retina? > > I have no idea if this would help or not (your decision). > I've been using MSM drops in my eyes to increase garbage removal. Floaters have > decreased significantly. My opthamologist was happy at my last examination. > Now I've started using a concoction of distilled water, MSM, eyebright > tincture, and CS, all mixed together as a eyewash. > Seems to be improving (only been 4 days). > Chuck > Is the glass half empty, half full, > or twice as large as it needs to be? > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina)
Are you serious? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 5:03 PM Subject: RE: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina) > Warm water. > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > > -Original Message- > From: MT [SMTP:i...@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 2:40 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina) > > At 21:54 14-12-1999 , you wrote: > >On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:25:28 -0800, "2001 TV VCR" wrote: > > > > >Has anyone used CS or heard of > > >anything else to cure Macular > > >Degeneration and also restore the > > >damaged retina? > > > >I have no idea if this would help or not (your decision). > >I've been using MSM drops in my eyes to increase garbage removal. Floaters > >have > >decreased significantly. My opthamologist was happy at my last examination. > >Now I've started using a concoction of distilled water, MSM, eyebright > > > i bought MSM as crystals and they don't seem to dissolve in water > am I doing something wrong? > or is it the wrong type? > > thx > > mt > > > > >tincture, and CS, all mixed together as a eyewash. > >Seems to be improving (only been 4 days). > > Chuck > >Is the glass half empty, half full, > > or twice as large as it needs to be? > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Dead Doctors Don't Lie
That's where I found the gelatin cure for Arthritis. It sure worked for me! Bil - Original Message - From: Charles King To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re: Nellie/Milk magnesium > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:45:37 EST, mardic...@aol.com wrote: > > >This prompts me to remember a cassette tape a neighbor of ours let us borrow. > > It was called Dead Doctors Don't Lie. > >It was all about the magnesium deficiency of most people. There was more > >info, too. He also promotes sodium intake, but for ME, I know that does not > >work. > >The tape has a lot of information and I'm straining to recall the man's name > >who made it. Argh!! Joel??? > > Ha! > Joel Wallach! > Got a copy right here, didn't even have to get up. > Chuck > The most dangerous thing in a combat zone is an officer with a map > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina)
Susan, Thank you for replying. I have talked to many holistic doctors, homeopathic, as well as holistic ophthalmologists (only a few in the whole country). And no one was able to offer a fix for a retina damaged by a blood clot. I did find an MD that prescribes the use of magnets. He said that it would take a very powerful (heavy) magnet against the eye for a few hours a day to cause the tissue to regenerate. I would have to wear it while sleeping and not sure if I could stay asleep with all that weight. Bil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 7:08 PM Subject: Re: CS>Need Help with Eye (retina) > Have you tried a homeopathic doctor--they may or may not be able to help. I > know Arnica is good for bruises--but you would need to talk to a dr when it > comes to eyes. > Susan > > In a message dated 12/14/1999 4:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, > x2...@qnet.com writes: > > << Has anyone used CS or heard of > anything else to cure Macular > Degeneration and also restore the > damaged retina? > >> > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Need Help with Eye (retina)
Has anyone used CS or heard of anything else to cure Macular Degeneration and also restore the damaged retina? I have a condition similar to MD. A few years ago I developed an occlusion of the central retinal vein (in other words a blood clot in the main vein leaving the eye) in my left eye. This seems to have occured days after bumping my head very hard on a sliding glass door. UCLA opthomologists said that there is no treatment and that the condition would probably clear up and that my vision would be restored. Well it just got worse, maybe because I live at 8,000 ft. I can still see about the same as a few years ago (very poorly - cannot see the letters on the eyechart). Any advice on how to fix the retina (macular section badly damaged) would be very much appreciated. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: LED's
Hi Gene, Mouser Electronics is at: www.mouser.com Bil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 5:43 AM Subject: Re: CS>Re: LED's > In a message dated 12/12/99 10:11:02 PM Central Standard Time, x2...@qnet.com > writes: > > << Radio Shack only stocks a tiny > fraction of what you will find in a > good mail order catalog such as > Mouser Electronics. They are > by far the best source that I have > ever seen for variety, low cost > and great service. > >> > Is there a site for this company or what is the address of same? > > Gene Downey > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Re: LED's
ed > > my > > > > hand at making some, hopefully to give to family for holiday gifts. > > The > > > > version I am using is the one that comes from the Beck papers. My > only > > > > difficulty is getting a 24 grain of wheat bulb. I substituted a 14 > v. > > > > green LED bulb on the first one I made, (as a similar LED bulb was > used > > on > > > > the generator I purchased - although it uses only a 9 v. battery) > but > > it > > > > was quite difficult to see if the bulb was even lighting up. The > flow > > > > through the silver wire electrode was somewhat slow, I thought it > would > > > > work "faster" with the 27 voltage of batteries soldered in series > than > > the > > > > 9v powered purchased machine, but it didn't. > > > > > > > > My second version used a red 5v LED with integrated resistor, but > when > > I > > > > tested it, within seconds the water became cloudy. > > > > > > > > My questions are these: > > > > 1) Can this be built without a bulb - just the three 9v clips in > series > > > > connected to alligator clips via zipper insulated wire? > > > > 2) What would cause the second version (5v red LED) to make the > water > > > > cloudy so quickly, and is there a way to fix this? > > > > 3) can other bulbs besides the recommended one (24v) be used for the > > 27v > > > > battery version? > > > > 4) I have been using the CS mostly for external disinfection so have > > been > > > > using primarily purified water, not distilled. When I use > distilled, > > even > > > > when I leave the electrodes in for an hour, I do not get the golden > > color. > > > > I have been adding only a drop of a baking soda solution to the > > distilled > > > > water that I read helps with the process. > > > > > > > > Any suggestions for making these CS would be appreciated! I'm > rather > > in a > > > > time crunch since I need to get these done for the holidays. I > figured > > > > that with Y2K, all of my family could use having a generator on > hand! > > > > > > > > I haven't done any of this kind of thing since I was a kid building > > Heath > > > > kits with my dad, so if my explanations aren't clear enough, please > > > forgive > > > > me. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Beth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Headers > > > Return-Path: > > > Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com > [172.31.41.2]) > > by > > > air-zb02.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:02:02 1900 > > > Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by > > > rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:01:52 -0500 > > > Received: (from smart...@localhost) > > > by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA29473; > > > Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 > > > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 > > > Message-ID: <00a101bf4455$5e5682a0$6fd4d...@x2001> > > > From: "2001 TV VCR" > > > To: , > > > References: > > > Subject: Re: CS>Intro and questions > > > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:42:59 -0800 > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Con
CS>Re: LED's
ng primarily purified water, not distilled. When I use distilled, > even > > > when I leave the electrodes in for an hour, I do not get the golden > color. > > > I have been adding only a drop of a baking soda solution to the > distilled > > > water that I read helps with the process. > > > > > > Any suggestions for making these CS would be appreciated! I'm rather > in a > > > time crunch since I need to get these done for the holidays. I figured > > > that with Y2K, all of my family could use having a generator on hand! > > > > > > I haven't done any of this kind of thing since I was a kid building > Heath > > > kits with my dad, so if my explanations aren't clear enough, please > > forgive > > > me. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Beth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > --- Headers > > Return-Path: > > Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) > by > > air-zb02.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:02:02 1900 > > Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by > > rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:01:52 -0500 > > Received: (from smart...@localhost) > > by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA29473; > > Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 > > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 > > Message-ID: <00a101bf4455$5e5682a0$6fd4d...@x2001> > > From: "2001 TV VCR" > > To: , > > References: > > Subject: Re: CS>Intro and questions > > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:42:59 -0800 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > Resent-Message-ID: <"ZT-HJ1.0.QC7.gunKu"@mx1> > > Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17587 > > X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com > > > > >> > > > > > > --- Headers > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) > by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:10:39 1900 > Received: from mx-a.qnet.com (mx-a.qnet.com [209.221.198.11]) by > rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:10:30 -0500 > Received: from cello.qnet.com (r...@cello.qnet.com [209.221.198.10]) > by mx-a.qnet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28391; > Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:10:29 -0800 (PST) > Received: from x2001 (56k-la-02-46.dial.qnet.com [209.221.212.157]) > by cello.qnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA02788; > Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:10:07 -0800 (PST) > Message-ID: <001f01bf451f$c0ae14c0$9dd4d...@x2001> > From: "2001 TV VCR" > To: , > References: <0.3ccb0b38.2585b...@aol.com> > Subject: Re: LED's > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:06:27 -0800 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > >> >
CS>Re: LED's
from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by > air-zb02.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:02:02 1900 > Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by > rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:01:52 -0500 > Received: (from smart...@localhost) > by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA29473; > Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 > Message-ID: <00a101bf4455$5e5682a0$6fd4d...@x2001> > From: "2001 TV VCR" > To: , > References: > Subject: Re: CS>Intro and questions > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:42:59 -0800 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Resent-Message-ID: <"ZT-HJ1.0.QC7.gunKu"@mx1> > Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17587 > X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com > > >> >
CS>Re: Nutrajoint
The Nutrajoint (made by Knox) which I recommended for arthritis can be found in the gelatin section at the market. I have also seen it in the Vitamin dept. at the drug store. It's a large round can, cost about $9 Bil - Original Message - From: David Reese To: ; Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 10:52 AM Subject: re":Nutrajoint > Hi Bil > Where do you purchase the Nutrajoint? My wife has pain in her knee and I > would like to try some for her. > Dave Reese > P.S. Please forgive the first blank e-mail from me . My grandson helped me > and pushed the send key before I had a chance to write anything. > > > 2001 TV VCR wrote: > > > The cure that I found to actually work > > with Arthritis is Nutrajoint (a large round > > can of gelatin with added vit. C and > > calcium). It is made by Knox. 1 heaping > > tablespoon per day for 3 months. > > > > It's formulated to dissolve in cold juice. > > The company won't make any claims, > > but it does work. It cured by arthritic > > hand in about 10 days. I then stopped > > using it for a few weeks and my hand > > was still fine. I went ahead and finished > > the three month protocol anyway. > > > > The occasional pain in my knee seems > > to have disappeared also. If you > > decide to try it don't quit the first month > > because you haven't seen results yet. > > > > Bil > > > > Bil > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Tom Trauberman > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 1:42 AM > > Subject: CS>Bentonite clay > > > > > Jason, > > > > > > My wife recently came down with rheumatoid arthritis, which I believe > > > may be caused by leaky gut syndrome. I wonder if your clay might have an > > > effect in her treatment? > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > Jason wrote< > > I'm sorry to hear about the pain you are experiencing. Although I have > > > no REASON to expect that what I recommend will ( or will not ) work, I > > > am interested in performing a study to see if it has any effect. Please > > > feel free to browse our website, and if you are interested in exploring > > > it further, provided you sign some paperwork, we would be more than > > > happy to supply you with the needed materials at no charge. > > > http://www.eytonsearth.u4l.com > > > Sincerely, > > > Jason R. Eaton > > > Eytons' Earth >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
CS>Beck Electrifier - Correct Links
Those links are for Zappers, not the Beck device. Here are the correct links: http://www.sota-inc.com/index.html http://www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/bbstuff.html http://www.action-electronics.com/ps.htm Bil - Original Message - From: Charles King To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:31 PM Subject: Re: CS>SHOCK HAZZARD: One Last Thought > On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:55:03 -0500, "Carol M. Ryan" wrote: > > >Chuck, > > Do you know where I can buy the portable Beck > >device? > >Thanks, > >Carol > > Go here first: > http://www.wave.net/upg/zapper/ > > Then knock yourself out here: > http://showcase.cnd.com/althealth/index.htm > > Chuck > Gosh, that takes me back...or forward. > That's the trouble with time travel, you never can tell. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Arthritis
The cure that I found to actually work with Arthritis is Nutrajoint (a large round can of gelatin with added vit. C and calcium). It is made by Knox. 1 heaping tablespoon per day for 3 months. It's formulated to dissolve in cold juice. The company won't make any claims, but it does work. It cured by arthritic hand in about 10 days. I then stopped using it for a few weeks and my hand was still fine. I went ahead and finished the three month protocol anyway. The occasional pain in my knee seems to have disappeared also. If you decide to try it don't quit the first month because you haven't seen results yet. Bil Bil - Original Message - From: Tom Trauberman To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 1:42 AM Subject: CS>Bentonite clay > Jason, > > My wife recently came down with rheumatoid arthritis, which I believe > may be caused by leaky gut syndrome. I wonder if your clay might have an > effect in her treatment? > > Tom > > Jason wrote< I'm sorry to hear about the pain you are experiencing. Although I have > no REASON to expect that what I recommend will ( or will not ) work, I > am interested in performing a study to see if it has any effect. Please > feel free to browse our website, and if you are interested in exploring > it further, provided you sign some paperwork, we would be more than > happy to supply you with the needed materials at no charge. > http://www.eytonsearth.u4l.com > Sincerely, > Jason R. Eaton > Eytons' Earth >> > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Intro and questions
All single LED's have a voltage rating of approx. 2 volts DC (not 5 or 14V!). The max. current rating for most LED's is around 20mA. They will light up (not too brightly) at 1mA or less and gradually increase reaching full brightness as you approach 10mA. O.K. to use in series with ANY low voltage DC circuit (up to 20mA). Best to use a current limiting resistor. Otherwise the LED will burn out right quick when the silver wires touch (or get shorted by the silver growth on the cathode). Won't happen if you limit current. Bil - Original Message - From: G&B Rogers To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 7:41 AM Subject: CS>Intro and questions > Hello listers from a newbie, > I bought a CS generator and after seeing how simple it is, have tried my > hand at making some, hopefully to give to family for holiday gifts. The > version I am using is the one that comes from the Beck papers. My only > difficulty is getting a 24 grain of wheat bulb. I substituted a 14 v. > green LED bulb on the first one I made, (as a similar LED bulb was used on > the generator I purchased - although it uses only a 9 v. battery) but it > was quite difficult to see if the bulb was even lighting up. The flow > through the silver wire electrode was somewhat slow, I thought it would > work "faster" with the 27 voltage of batteries soldered in series than the > 9v powered purchased machine, but it didn't. > > My second version used a red 5v LED with integrated resistor, but when I > tested it, within seconds the water became cloudy. > > My questions are these: > 1) Can this be built without a bulb - just the three 9v clips in series > connected to alligator clips via zipper insulated wire? > 2) What would cause the second version (5v red LED) to make the water > cloudy so quickly, and is there a way to fix this? > 3) can other bulbs besides the recommended one (24v) be used for the 27v > battery version? > 4) I have been using the CS mostly for external disinfection so have been > using primarily purified water, not distilled. When I use distilled, even > when I leave the electrodes in for an hour, I do not get the golden color. > I have been adding only a drop of a baking soda solution to the distilled > water that I read helps with the process. > > Any suggestions for making these CS would be appreciated! I'm rather in a > time crunch since I need to get these done for the holidays. I figured > that with Y2K, all of my family could use having a generator on hand! > > I haven't done any of this kind of thing since I was a kid building Heath > kits with my dad, so if my explanations aren't clear enough, please forgive > me. > > Thank you, > Beth > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Containers for storing CS?
> Absolutely not! Never ever store silver in plastic. Why Not? (Fred says that it is perfectly ok) > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Re: Low Cost Electrifiers/MPG's
Thank you for your reply. Although he does not seem to need these devices for his MS he does need them on rare occasion for his family. If you need some very low cost blood electrifiers or Magnetic Pulse Generators then you may be interested in the plans which I am getting ready to market for those who want to build there own. My version of the Beck blood electrifier/CS generator (using one 9 volt battery, 30 volts output) and the MPG (will work with 6 to 12 volts DC; 1 pulse per second output!) cost around $35 each when you buy all the parts wholesale (such as from Mouser Electronics). The cost of these plans when they are ready will probably be $15 for each device. This is not an ad. At this time I have nothing for sale. If you are interested in "building your own" let me know. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Low $ CES unit
> does anyone have any advice to offer about purchasing a C.E.S. unit? > (cranial electrical stimulation) > http://www.altered-states.co.nz/cgi-bin/reload.cgi?^/braint/black/.htm These guys have a CES device similar to the Brain Tuner for $75 (US). The Brain Tuner model BT6 sells for $395. Their name is Altered States Ltd. Ask for model BT9. Bil - Original Message - From: Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America To: Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:12 PM Subject: Re: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV > does anyone have any advice to offer about purchasing a C.E.S. unit? > (cranial electrical stimulation) > > anyone have a used one for sale? > > jd > > > __ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>SHOCK HAZZARD - HV CS
A discharged TV "tube" (CRT) will unfortunately charge back up to as high as 1,000 volts even when it is sitting by itself (such as on a shelf) outside of the TV! After a couple of big shocks I no longer let it kick me on my but. Most of that is caused by fear. Instead I pull my arm back. Lot less dangerous than head or back injuries. Regarding HV CS. These transformers are deadly. I'm sure that most of you know this. With a capability of 30mA there is more than enough to do you in. This is why I am very leery about using this method. What could be worse that possibly contacting 5 or 10,000 volts with wet hands? Bil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:32 PM Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > I've touched the anode on a "discharged" TV tube. It didn't clear any viruses > but it knocked me on my butt... Watch out for those stray capacitance's. > > Andy > > In a message dated 12/07/1999 9:13:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, > mdud...@execonn.com writes: > > The problem is that at high voltages even the wires can have a capacitance to > infinity, and although the supply may be limited to 2 mA, a spark discharge > of a > few thousand volts from just a few picofarad capacitor can deliver amps for a > few nanoseconds or microseconds. I have never killed myself with this, but > did > kill my digital ampmeter that way. > > Marshall > > 2001 TV VCR wrote: > > > I guess I should have mentioned that I > > was only planning on shocking him if it > > would be safe. It is well known that 2mA > > (two thousandths of an Amp) is not > > considered dangerous when applied to > > the body (externally). > > > > And if I did do this it would only be for a > > second or so, and only if experts in the > > field of electromedicine, etc agreed that > > there would be no risk. I have been > > shocked by 5,000 to 25,000 Volts DC > > many times (during 30 years) while > > working on TV's. > > > > Bil > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Jeff Gilman > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > > > > > Boy, I woudn't do this! What if his heart fails, he is already in poor > > > health! I agree, talk about setting yourself up for trouble! I am sure > > > your intentions are great, but your taking > > > a chance on hurting him and you getting blamed for it > > > > > > Jeff > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Charles King > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > > > > > > > > > >Talk about setting yourself up for a lawsuit. > > > >BTW, read your first paragraph again. > > > >Some people are ill because they choose that experience for this > > lifetime! > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > >"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid" > > > >John Wayne > > > > > > > >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:46:46 -0800, "2001 TV VCR" > wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi > > > >> > > > >>Trying to help a friend with MS. He is > > > >>unable to walk without a walker. He can't > > > >>ever seem to get around to using the > > > >>Beck blood electrifier or the "Rife" type > > > >>frequency generator which I built for him. > > > >> > > > >>I have heard that some people have been > > > >>cured of lyme and other conditions by > > > >>acidentally contacting an electric fence. > > > >>Quick high voltage shock and no more > > > >>viruses! > > > >> > > > >>He is willing to do something like this and > > > >>I am planning on hooking him up to a > > > >>television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. > > > >>The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. > > > >> > > > >>Since there is not enough current available > > > >>to cause tissue damage it seems like > > > >>this would be safe. Has anyone heard of > > > >>someone be seriously hurt with very low > > > >>current HV DC. > > > >> > > > >>Bil > > > >
CS>SHOCK HAZZARD: One Last Thought
Jeffrey, Thank you for your informative reply. I was not going to do this without some helpful advice. I did not expect so many people to be outraged at just the idea of applying voltage to someone at a time when more people are using electricity to help heal the body. I do agree that HV can be deadly, although it still appears that very low current HV (under 5mA) may be safe. It is the current that kills. And according to what I have read it is 10 to 15 mA through your heart (arm to arm or arm to opposite leg). A TV flyback transformer cannot supply more than a few mA although Marshall has now stated that there can be an Amp or more for a few microseconds. So maybe it's better to stay away from this. One last thought: If using the blood electrifier is so effective at killing viruses in the blood, but does not help some areas of the body such as the lymph glands then would it possibly make sense to apply a quick pulse of extremely low current (100uA [0.1mA for our less technical people] ) HV to the body so as to hopefully kill all viruses, bacteria, parasites, etc. in one "shot"? According to Bob Beck and others 50 to 100uA is the magic number. Of course this current could be limited so there would be no chance of causing heart failure or other damage. For people that quit using the other devices because they are not seeing results or do not want to spend an hour or more per day hooked up to wires this would have a big advantage. Sota Instruments had published a testimonial of someone that claimed to have been cured of lyme after a run-in with an electric fence. Appreciate all of your replies. Please remember this time that I am not going to run out and just do this and I don't expect that too many of you will either. Bil - Original Message - From: Jeffrey A. Madore To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 5:38 AM Subject: CS>Re: SHOCK HAZZARD Please Re-think > Please dont try this at home. If you do, there are 3 things you must > remember: 911 !!! > > HVAC or HVDC can kill you! > > Although most of the textbooks on electric shock will indicate that it > takes 100 ma to send you're heart into V-Fib, you can still throw it > off beat with much less. And you have no way of knowing the exact > conduction path and how it effects the heart. > > I have Chronic CNS Lyme and was an instructor at a Nuclear training > facility for many years. I worked with high voltage daily. I left a good paying > job in August for fear of killing myself or someone else, due to a "Lyme Brain" > mistake. I've had many close calls and a few accidental contacts...None helped > my Lyme! > > I have an electric fence around my property, have bumped it many times > and all it did was make me jump! Incidently, there have been fatalities associated > with electric fences; though very rare. An electric fence can put out a very strong > shock if you have good conductivity to ground...like holding a shotgun in one hand, > reaching through the fence for a cuke...sleve hits the fence...gun barrel touches the > grass...wow!...memorable! > > Last evening I even got a reminder while testing various transformers that I had > around...accidently contacted 1kv! This was no neon sign transformer either! > > MS is thought to be due to an infection. Lyme is commonly misdiagnosed as MS. > Try lots of CS and look for a herx. Metronidazole and Tetracycline are an extreemly > effective chemo combination...if you can stand it. > > There are many other things to try. Though high voltage may alleviate symptoms, > it can leave a person in "the ultimate state of poor health!" > > Jeff > > 2001 TV VCR wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Trying to help a friend with MS. He is > > unable to walk without a walker. He can't > > ever seem to get around to using the > > Beck blood electrifier or the "Rife" type > > frequency generator which I built for him. > > > > I have heard that some people have been > > cured of lyme and other conditions by > > acidentally contacting an electric fence. > > Quick high voltage shock and no more > > viruses! > > > > He is willing to do something like this and > > I am planning on hooking him up to a > > television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. > > The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. > > > > Since there is not enough current available > > to cause tissue damage it seems like > > this would be safe. Has anyone heard of > > someone be seriously hurt with very low > > current HV DC. > > > > Bil > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Collodial copper
Is this an ad for copper mineral water? - Original Message - From: Robert Ratliff To: Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: RE: CS>Collodial copper > While you are on copper water look at Bill Rich's site. He uses a new high > tech method that is supposed to make smaller particles. > http://richdistributing.com/ > > > Copper is classified as an essential mineral. If the body does not acquire a > sufficient amount of copper, hemoglobin production is decreased and copper > anemia can result. Various enzyme reactions require copper as well. In the > body, the liver and brain contain the largest amounts of copper with other > organs containing smaller amounts. Copper imbalances can produce various > symptoms, inefficient utilization of iron and protein, diarrhea, high > cholesterol, thyroid problems, stunted growth, mental and emotional > problems, just to name a few. > > > Nutritional copper is believed to be beneficial in helping overcome chronic > inflammation, grey hair, cancer, parasites, arthritis, skin wrinkles, and > joint problems such as arthritis, bursitis, and rheumatism. > > > Below is a list of conditions we believe our products may be helpful with: > > White hair > Liver Cirrhosis > Hernias > Varicose veins > Arthritis Gray hair > Allergies > Rutured disc > Neutropenia > Kawasaki disease Dry brittle hair > Parasites > Aneurysms > Anemia > Gulf War syndrome > Iron storage disease > High blood cholesterol > Hypo and hyper thyroid > Reduced glucose tolerance (low blood sugar) > Cerebral palsy and hypoplasiea of the cerebellum (congenital ataxia) > Violent behavior, blind rage, explosive outbursts, criminal behaviour > > > > Robert > > -Original Message- > From: James Allison [mailto:apothec...@home.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:14 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Collodial copper > > > COPPER MINERAL WATER > > Copper is an essential "trace mineral" most important in the > production of hemoglobin. A lack of copper is the usual precursor to heart > disease; aneurysms; and, decreases in the elasticity of blood vessels. > Studies also indicate that increased copper intake "significantly retarded > developments of cancers in animals and also decreased liver damage and > cirrhosis caused by cancer-inducing materials." > People have used WaterOz Copper Mineral Water topically for many different > skin conditions as well as for problems deep inside muscles, tendons, and > joint problems such as arthritis, bursitis and rheumatism. Taken internally > and about one half to one teaspoon per day, it can circulate to all parts of > the body. > Here is a list of conditions Copper is "believed" be helpful with: > > Allergies Anemia Aneurysms Arthritis > Dry brittle hair Gray hair Gulf war syndrome Hernias > Cholesterol Thyroid disorders Iron storage disease Kawasaki disease > Liver cirrhosis Neutropenia Parasites Ruptured disc > Reduced glucose tolerance(low blood sugar) >Varicose veins > Violent behavior, blind rage, explosive outbursts, criminal behavior > > > > Yours in health, > James Allison > > Allisons Apothecary > http://allisonsapothecary.com > Home of the $29.95 Colloidal Silver Generator > > - Original Message - > From: Jeffrey A. Madore > To: > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Collodial copper > > > > Would anyone know what the benefits of taking colloidal copper would be? > > What dose would be considered safe? > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > > > Colloidal copper can be easily made from 14 gauge house wire. I have > done it, > > > same way as colloidal silver. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
Marshall, Thank you for your insight into the HV topic. I have never thought of a small capacitance (such as the CRT receiving the 25KV) causing as much as one amp to flow for a microsecond or so. This is very interesting. Glad I didn't die from the shocks I got in the early 1970's when HV insulation in TV's was pretty bad (real rubber, complete with cracks).) Bil - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > The problem is that at high voltages even the wires can have a capacitance to > infinity, and although the supply may be limited to 2 mA, a spark discharge of a > few thousand volts from just a few picofarad capacitor can deliver amps for a > few nanoseconds or microseconds. I have never killed myself with this, but did > kill my digital ampmeter that way. > > Marshall > > 2001 TV VCR wrote: > > > I guess I should have mentioned that I > > was only planning on shocking him if it > > would be safe. It is well known that 2mA > > (two thousandths of an Amp) is not > > considered dangerous when applied to > > the body (externally). > > > > And if I did do this it would only be for a > > second or so, and only if experts in the > > field of electromedicine, etc agreed that > > there would be no risk. I have been > > shocked by 5,000 to 25,000 Volts DC > > many times (during 30 years) while > > working on TV's. > > > > Bil > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Jeff Gilman > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > > > > > Boy, I woudn't do this! What if his heart fails, he is already in poor > > > health! I agree, talk about setting yourself up for trouble! I am sure > > > your intentions are great, but your taking > > > a chance on hurting him and you getting blamed for it > > > > > > Jeff > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Charles King > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > > > > > > > > > >Talk about setting yourself up for a lawsuit. > > > >BTW, read your first paragraph again. > > > >Some people are ill because they choose that experience for this > > lifetime! > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > >"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid" > > > >John Wayne > > > > > > > >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:46:46 -0800, "2001 TV VCR" wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi > > > >> > > > >>Trying to help a friend with MS. He is > > > >>unable to walk without a walker. He can't > > > >>ever seem to get around to using the > > > >>Beck blood electrifier or the "Rife" type > > > >>frequency generator which I built for him. > > > >> > > > >>I have heard that some people have been > > > >>cured of lyme and other conditions by > > > >>acidentally contacting an electric fence. > > > >>Quick high voltage shock and no more > > > >>viruses! > > > >> > > > >>He is willing to do something like this and > > > >>I am planning on hooking him up to a > > > >>television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. > > > >>The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. > > > >> > > > >>Since there is not enough current available > > > >>to cause tissue damage it seems like > > > >>this would be safe. Has anyone heard of > > > >>someone be seriously hurt with very low > > > >>current HV DC. > > > >> > > > >>Bil > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
I guess I should have mentioned that I was only planning on shocking him if it would be safe. It is well known that 2mA (two thousandths of an Amp) is not considered dangerous when applied to the body (externally). And if I did do this it would only be for a second or so, and only if experts in the field of electromedicine, etc agreed that there would be no risk. I have been shocked by 5,000 to 25,000 Volts DC many times (during 30 years) while working on TV's. Bil - Original Message - From: Jeff Gilman To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:16 PM Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > Boy, I woudn't do this! What if his heart fails, he is already in poor > health! I agree, talk about setting yourself up for trouble! I am sure > your intentions are great, but your taking > a chance on hurting him and you getting blamed for it > > Jeff > -Original Message- > From: Charles King > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > > > >Talk about setting yourself up for a lawsuit. > >BTW, read your first paragraph again. > >Some people are ill because they choose that experience for this lifetime! > > > > Chuck > >"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid" > >John Wayne > > > >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:46:46 -0800, "2001 TV VCR" wrote: > > > >>Hi > >> > >>Trying to help a friend with MS. He is > >>unable to walk without a walker. He can't > >>ever seem to get around to using the > >>Beck blood electrifier or the "Rife" type > >>frequency generator which I built for him. > >> > >>I have heard that some people have been > >>cured of lyme and other conditions by > >>acidentally contacting an electric fence. > >>Quick high voltage shock and no more > >>viruses! > >> > >>He is willing to do something like this and > >>I am planning on hooking him up to a > >>television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. > >>The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. > >> > >>Since there is not enough current available > >>to cause tissue damage it seems like > >>this would be safe. Has anyone heard of > >>someone be seriously hurt with very low > >>current HV DC. > >> > >>Bil > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
Hi Trying to help a friend with MS. He is unable to walk without a walker. He can't ever seem to get around to using the Beck blood electrifier or the "Rife" type frequency generator which I built for him. I have heard that some people have been cured of lyme and other conditions by acidentally contacting an electric fence. Quick high voltage shock and no more viruses! He is willing to do something like this and I am planning on hooking him up to a television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. Since there is not enough current available to cause tissue damage it seems like this would be safe. Has anyone heard of someone be seriously hurt with very low current HV DC. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Electric Blanket / O.T.
Well Jeff, You said it for me. I was thinking exactly the same thing - blanket is too darn close! Bil - Original Message - From: Jeffrey A. Madore To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Re: CS>Electric Blanket / O.T. > > > Jeff Gilman wrote: > > > The difference between the electro-magnetic flux you are exposed to between > > transformers and electric motors vs. an electric blanket is that the blanket > > is in very close contact with your body. How many motors or transformers to > > you sleep with? > > i.e. have VERY close to your body for many hours on end? Electromatic > > fields decrease INversely with the distance. That is, move the electrical > > object twice as far away and the field strength drops 4 X. Also, by design > > electric blankets are designed to cover your entire body (LARGE surface area > > in close contact). A hair dryer would > > not be as close, nor used as long, nor have anything appoaching the surface > > area of an electric blanket. > > Well...I guess I was thinking of duty cycle as well as flux density. > > My blanket is set at about 1.5 on a scale of 0 - 9. So, it clicks on for about 30 > seconds every 5 minutes. > > Transformers and motors are magnetic flux generators. Take an electric guitar > and approach the amp...major hum due to transformer's magnetic flux. A single > conducting wire produces a fraction of the flux. This flux is also current dependent. > The blanket has two electrically seperate sides...each draws less than 400ma. > My computer produces various fields that wipe out the receiver in my ham radio > rig, 4' away. It's everywhere. > > Since the current of the blanket is small, and the exposure time very intermittant, > I wonder if the actual harm (if it's indeed harmful) isn't minimal vs being cold. The > wires looping back upon themselves also may provide a degree of field cancellation. > > I have a king sized water bed with a 400 watt heater. I put several blankets over > the matress and was able to shut off the heater. I mostly did it to save electricity. > Then I put the e-blanket on top, with another blanket on top of that. The e-blanket > runs very little, as the blanket over it keeps the heat in. Sure beats maintaining > temp of all of that water 24hr per day. > > If I could find the slightest reason, reasonable anecdotal information, scientific > data, etc; to believe that I would benifit from staying away from AC fields, I'd > run it on DC. But then I'd probably read something about that being bad for me too. > Hey, if my wife didn't behave herself, I could just switch her to the south pole!!! > > Last night I read about bed springs sucking the energy out of you!!! ...and ground > water, hundreds of feet below grade, being major bad! I must be in a bad spot > cuz my well is only 12 ft deep...dug it myself. I guess the challenge is sorting > science from woga-woga. > > Jeff > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>LV AC?
Tony, Was the output of your 24 volt adapter AC? What size and shape are the electrodes used in your 1 gallon setup? It would be nice if someone could tell us all if honey is really o.k. to use. It seems like such a waste to have all that sludge form. I have tried very low current (1 mA) while making a gallon and it doesn't seem to help. The honey is the only thing that has ever worked for me however I am concerned that it may help create toxic compounds. Bil - Original Message - From: Tony Gallistel To: Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:37 PM Subject: CS>LV AC? When I set up to make silver today my 3 9's checked 23 volts and falling so I assumed I was DIW. So I hooked up a 24 volt AC adapter I had laying around instead. After 10 hours I have a nice Tyndall effect in a clear solution of about 1 gallon - boiled distilled w no primer and 1mg sugar - I was out of honey. Anyone have any experience with this approach? Seems like a good solution with no sludge or filtering. A. Gallistel, Co. 16186 109th St. NW South Haven, MN 55382 Phone 320-236-1705 Fax 320-236-3015 agall...@lkdllink.lkdllink.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Nebulizer Instructions
Katarina,
Thank you for posting the instructions for such
a helpful low cost instrument. Have you (or
anyone else out there) heard of other uses for
this device (the nebulizer {using an airbrush} )
for applying CS to the lungs.
How about for chestcolds, coughs, to help the
lungs before or after quitting smoking?
Bil
- Original Message -
From: Katarina Wittich
To: Silver A
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:10 PM
Subject: CS>Nebulizer Instructions
> Dear List members,
> Here are Brooks' complete instructions for making a nebulizer.
> In the future we can tell people to do a search for Nebulizer instructions
> in the archives.
> Katarina
>
>
>
>
> > From: Brooks Bradley
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:45 PM
> > Subject: New Experimental CS X Oxygen Protocol For Unresponsive
> > Pulmonary Pathogens
> >
> >
> > To all interested list members,
> >
> > I would like to relate an experimental protocol recently developed by
> > one of our younger (and brighter) staff members. He originated the
> > idea and assembled all parts into a working model in less than two
> > days---after his original inspiration.
> >
> > The original problem manifested as a result of our fruitless search
> > for some effective procedure for attacking the bi-lateral form of
> > those bacterial pneumonias which have proved non-responsive to all of
> > the anti-biotic protocols. This challenge has been especially dear
> > to our hearts since one of our engineers lost his 47 year old wife (a
> > wonderful school teacher), at the age of 47nine years ago.
> >
> > We have used this system on 3 volunteersand this onlywithin
> > the past four weeks. However, we have been absolutely astounded by
> > the results.
> >
> > One 75 year old ashma sufferer, unable to gain more than momentary
> > relief during the past 8 years, was able to dispense with his very
> > labor-intensive (unbelieveably costly) hospice-assisted protocols
> > 18 days after undertaking this protocol. We now suspect
> > that his ashma was the result of some form of secondary bacterial
> > pathogen..this because of the speed and degree of his recovery.
> >
> > Another of our volunteers (71 years), afflicted with a sub-clinical
> > bronchial infection-non-responsive to any protocolincluding
> > Rife Beam Ray Therapy, has improved by at least 75% within the past 21
> > days.and shows every indication of complete resolution within
> > the next week or so. This volunteer was in perfect health in every
> > other wayexcept for the bronchial disorder (complicated by a
> > minor but persistant post-nasal drainage)
> >
> > The third volunteer was an 81 year old male, completely
> > non-responsive to all therapies for bi-lateral pneumonia of a
> > bacterial nature. This condition had persisted for 6 months and he
> > was approaching a moribund state, very rapidly.
> >
> > 24 hours after beginning this protocol, he encountered a very serious
> > crisis evolving from major Herxheimer's Reaction. Pustule formation
> > was so rapid and intense, 100% oxygen support was requiredand
> > the treatment protocol was suspended for two days, while the
> > volunteer's condition was stabilized.
> >
> > Two days after resumption of the Oxygen-CS protocol, no supporting
> > O2 therapy was required as the subject was fully able to breathe
> > adequately unassisted. The volume of sputum/pus fluid was massive.
> >
> > Excepting very sore chest area (from prolonged coughing) the
> > volunteer was much improved. Within five days he became very alert
> > and began to overcome his narcoleptic tendencies. Within ten days he
> > became ambulatory again. Within 15 days his lungs were unobstructed
> > enough he could breathe fully, with no audio evidence of fluid
> > presence in the pulmonary tract. Yesterday (the 21st day) his lungs
> > checked to be 90% clear, with only one tiny spot in the lower left
> > quadrant of the left lung.
> >
> > His M.D. pulmonary specialist is in a state of "schock" over the
> > developments. His analysis is this is the most pronounced case of
> > "spontaneous remission" in his 30 years of practice. No one has
> > informed the M.D. of our experimental protocols, used on this
> > volunteer. Our volunteer's immediate family is so irate over the
> > fact that his alleopathic pulmonary "team" was totally unable to
> > reverse his decline toward immediate life-departure (the crisis
> > management team did offer to place him on 100% life support until
> > clinical death) they wanted to instigate some form of legal action.
> >
> > We reminded them of their earlier agreement with us, that regardless
> > of the outcome of our experimental protocol, "neither the procedural
> > result nor the protocol itself, would be broached with the
> > volunteer's alleopathic counsel".
> >
> > Additionally, based upon the anecdotal nature of this one case, there
> > is no way to
Re: CS>Re: Bil, Sludge & Honey
Dick, Thanks for the tip. I have tried the drop ( I used a big drop) of honey when making 16 oz. CS and it came out a real milky colored yellow. The electrodes sure were clean though (no sludge). Obviously having any form of food in the mix could cause unwanted silver compounds to be formed. Anyone want to comment on this? Bil - Original Message - From: Dick Jaffe To: Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re: Bil, sludge > Try using a drop of honey on the tip of a toothpick stirred into the heated > water before inserting the silver electrodes. I've been doing that for > several years and get about a 10ppm solution, pale yellow in color, in about > 10 minutes. > > Fred wrote: > > > > >> Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon > > > >> without the sludge using low voltage? > > > >> > > > >> Bil > > > > The process of generating colloidal silver is the same as > > the plating process - ions are released and travel to the > > negative electrode where they collect an electron and turn > > back into silver. You can not stop that process! The fact > > they are sludge instead of nice shiny silver is that conditions > > are not right for fine crystal growth - normal silver plating uses > > cyanuric acid to provide good conductivity of the solution and > > to assist in forming fine grain crystals. What you get are more > > like snow flakes, weakly bound/random crystals! > > > > See my other post why the HV AC process avoids sludge > > formation, by blasting the sludge forming metal particles into > > the solution as quickly as formed. This unfortunately makes > > metallic particles, not ions of silver, but at least no crystals! > > > > f...@health2us.com (took a day off from work today!) > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>is this working?
Yes! Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich To: Silver A Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: CS>is this working? > Is this working - all my mail to the list is getting returned. > Katarina > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Re: Boiling water Special Glass
Katarina, If I remember correctly he said that boiling water will help produce the smallest particle size. This conflicts with what Marshall said. Russ, from Sota Instruments claims to have sent the CS which they made using method to a lab for testing. He said that photo of the CS (made using an electron microscope) showed that the particle size was very small. The small size that so many people refer to in fractions of a micron (.001 to .015? microns I believe). So who is right? Marshall seems to know more about chemistry, etc. so I will follow his advice for now. Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich To: 2001 TV VCR Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Boiling water Special Glass > Hey Bil, > do you know why he said it was so important? > Thanks, > Katarina > > > > Hi Katarina, > > > > I was told by the owner of Sota Instruments, > > maker of the Silver Pulser (and an associate > > of Bob Beck), that boiling the water is > > important to make good quality CS. > > > > Marshall has just informed me that hot water > > causes larger particle size. I am going to > > play it safe for now and use cold water. > > > > You can buy a "glass" pot made of Corning > > Ware at stores that carry a large variety of > > pot and pans. It is actually not glass but an > > alloy of glass and many metals. It looks and > > feels just like glass (transparent brown). > > > > Corning say that you can run it under cold > > water when it is extremely hot and it will not > > crack. I use a Pyrex pot (by Corning). Not > > near as heat resistant buy so far it has not > > cracked. > > > > Bil > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Katarina Wittich > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:36 AM > > Subject: CS>Re: Bil, boiling water. > > > > > >> Hi Bil, > >> so , I have two questions. > >> Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump > > into > >> each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles? > >> > >> And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of > >> jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. > >> Thanks, > >> katarina > >> > >> > >> > I have been making CS for some time. I started out > >> > with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot > >> > distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle > >> > size. > >> > > >> > Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here > >> > in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the > >> > water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the > >> > CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much > >> > I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always > >> > gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: > >> > > >> > One gallon glass jar (clean) > >> > Plastic lid > >> > 99.99% silver, 1" x 3.5" (wetted) > >> > Food grade stainless steel, 1" x 8" (wetted) > >> > Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) > >> > Electrodes spaced 1/2" apart > >> > 30 volts DC > >> > > >> > Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and > >> > filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current > >> > are you running? What is the advantage? > >> > > >> > Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon > >> > without the sludge using low voltage? > >> > > >> > Thank you very much for your replies. > >> > > >> > Bil > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >> > >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >> > >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > >> > > >
Re: CS> SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing)
Marshall, Regarding our friendly discussion concerning the output voltage of the Clark Zapper: When I stated that the average voltage of an AC signal is not zero I was actually referring to the average USABLE voltage. You are correct, technically speaking, that the average voltage is zero. However this is meaningless to most of the non- technical people reading this. There is enough power to light an L.E.D. lamp. This is not zero voltage. It is important that these people know something about this device that may help them in some way. I had stated that the skin resistance of our body is usually over 100,000 ohms. You say that while holding one of the copper pipes (covered with a wet paper towel) in each hand your meter measured a resistance of 3 to 5 ohms from hand to hand. PLEASE!! Get another meter! If this were true then with as little as 5 volts you could have around 1 amp flowing through your body and you'd be fried. I made the same test this evening. I cleaned the copper pipes nice and bright, wrapped one wet (strong saline solution) paper towel around each one. With my digital meter probes clipped to each of the pipes, while grabbing them very firmly the lowest reading from pipe to pipe was 8,000 ohms. Much higher than 3 to 5 ohms. My earlier statement that the body's resistance is usually over 100,000 ohms does not seem correct in this case. I had never measured it using the copper pipes. I do hold my ground concerning the Zapper supplying only DC. AC stands for Alternating Current (a voltage that reverses polarity). The pulsating DC voltage coming out of this device absolutely does not do this. Bil - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: 2001 TV VCR ; Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 1:09 PM Subject: Re: CS> SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing) > 2001 TV VCR wrote: > > > Marshall, > > > > Thank you for your response regarding > > the Zapper and Beck units. I am sorry > > that I have to disagree with some of your > > statements. The following electrical > > measurements are incorrect: > > > > The average voltage of an AC signal is > > not zero. The Beck unit outputs approx > > 50 volts peak equal to around 30 volts > > AC RMS (in layman's terms: average > > voltage). > > > > The wave is square so the peak voltage is the same as the RMS. The .707 factor > is only valid for a sine wave, which the BECK unit is not. The Beck unit > reverses polarity so that the positive is negative and the negative is positive > after the polarity switch. I stand by my statement that the average is 0, you > can put an integrator on it and see. The RMS is not 0, it is 50 volts, but I > did not reference the RMS before. RMS voltage is not the same as average > voltage, in any terms, laymans or otherwise. They are very distinct mathmatical > constructs. For the average you take the integral over time, and divide by > time. For the RMS you take the integral of the square over time, divide by > time, then take the square root. The former can give any value from negative > infinity to postive infinty, but the latter can only be 0 or positive. The > latter is useful for power measurements. The average voltage on a wall outlet > is 0, but the RMS is about 120. > > > The Clark unit (Zapper) could supply > > 5 mA uf your skin resistance was as > > low as 1500 ohms. But your skin > > resistance is usually above 100,000 > > ohms ( less than 0.1 mA). > > > > Skin resistance cannot be expressed in ohms. Since we are talking about a > surface phenomenon it must be in ohms per square cm or square inch. I just took > a digital voltmeter and measured from one hand to the other holding the small > probes. My hands were dry and I measured about 50K. I then connected up the > electrodes I use on the Clark unit and measured about 500 ohms, because it was > contacting about 100 times as much surface area. It kept dropping though > because my hands would immediately start sweating. I then wrapped wet paper > towels around each electrode and measured the resistance when I held them in > each hand. The resistance was around 5 ohms (3 to 10), depending on how hard I > held them. > > I stand by my statement before that when holding a large electrode with a wet > paper towel on it, skin resistance is so low as to be virtually irrelevent. > > > With skin resistance at 1500 ohms, > > contacting a car battery's terminals > > would be a very shocking experience > > ( yet you don't even feel anything). > > > > That is true, because it is DC only. But both units have an AC component and > thus a tingling can be felt. > > > The Clark unit does not put out any > > form of AC. The 555 timer
CS>Re: Boiling water Special Glass
Hi Katarina, I was told by the owner of Sota Instruments, maker of the Silver Pulser (and an associate of Bob Beck), that boiling the water is important to make good quality CS. Marshall has just informed me that hot water causes larger particle size. I am going to play it safe for now and use cold water. You can buy a "glass" pot made of Corning Ware at stores that carry a large variety of pot and pans. It is actually not glass but an alloy of glass and many metals. It looks and feels just like glass (transparent brown). Corning say that you can run it under cold water when it is extremely hot and it will not crack. I use a Pyrex pot (by Corning). Not near as heat resistant buy so far it has not cracked. Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:36 AM Subject: CS>Re: Bil, boiling water. > Hi Bil, > so , I have two questions. > Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump into > each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles? > > And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of > jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. > Thanks, > katarina > > > > I have been making CS for some time. I started out > > with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot > > distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle > > size. > > > > Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here > > in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the > > water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the > > CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much > > I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always > > gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: > > > > One gallon glass jar (clean) > > Plastic lid > > 99.99% silver, 1" x 3.5" (wetted) > > Food grade stainless steel, 1" x 8" (wetted) > > Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) > > Electrodes spaced 1/2" apart > > 30 volts DC > > > > Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and > > filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current > > are you running? What is the advantage? > > > > Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon > > without the sludge using low voltage? > > > > Thank you very much for your replies. > > > > Bil > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS> SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing)
Marshall, Thank you for your response regarding the Zapper and Beck units. I am sorry that I have to disagree with some of your statements. The following electrical measurements are incorrect: The average voltage of an AC signal is not zero. The Beck unit outputs approx 50 volts peak equal to around 30 volts AC RMS (in layman's terms: average voltage). The Clark unit (Zapper) could supply 5 mA uf your skin resistance was as low as 1500 ohms. But your skin resistance is usually above 100,000 ohms ( less than 0.1 mA). With skin resistance at 1500 ohms, contacting a car battery's terminals would be a very shocking experience ( yet you don't even feel anything). The Clark unit does not put out any form of AC. The 555 timer circuit inside is not capable of doing that. The output is pulsating DC (no AC). I apologize for not mentioning the wet paper towels placed around the copper pipes. I way trying to be as brief as possible. Bil - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 7:09 AM Subject: Re: CS> SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing) > 2001 TV VCR wrote: > > > Kent, > > > > The Silver Pulser and other similar devices > > approved by the inventor: Bob Beck are very > > different than the Zapper (Hulda Clark). The > > Zapper outputs approx. 5 volts DC pulsating > > at around 20 kHz (20,000 cycles per second) > > square wave. > > > > It gives about 8 volts peak. The average voltage may be around 5 volts, but > then the average voltage of the Beck unit is around 0V, so that is not a > good way to measure it. > > > The usual method using the Zapper is to apply > > this voltage to your hands by grasping onto two > > copper pipes. You cannot feel the electric > > current and it may not be strong enough to kill > > viruses and bacteria (inside your body) directly. > > > > You CAN feel the current many times. You do not grasp copper pipes, but > paper towels which are wrapped around the pipes that have been wetted with a > saline solution. This provides excellent conductivity throught the skin so > the current is essentially set by the internal limiting resistor. > > > The Beck type devices are much more powerful. > > They output around 27 volts AC (approx 50 V > > peak to peak) ~4 Hz square wave. Using two > > electrodes which are applied to the wrist (one on > > each side of the artery, the voltage can be > > adjusted to a comfortable level using the output > > control. > > > > The current flowing thru the skin is well over 100 > > microamps (millionths of an amp). This current is > > said to penetrate the blood vessels and damage > > viruses, bacteria, parasites, etc. According to > > research done at Albert Einstein University as > > little as 50 microamps are needed to kill viruses. > > > > 5 volts will barely supply 50 microamps IF your > > skin resistance is low enough at the time of > > treatment. And using DC instead of AC is said > > to cause problems. So I use the Beck type unit > > when I get a cold or flu and I am usually better in > > a day or two. Otherwise I am usually sick for > > about 5 days or more. > > > > The Clark unit supplies about 5 mA, which is 100 times more than you > indicate. Also it does not use just DC. It uses AC and DC together, > whereas the Beck unit uses only AC. Clark indicates that her unit will not > work without the DC component. The skin resistance is almost nil in my > measurements with the wetted electrodes so open circuit voltage is almost > irrelevent with wetted skin as long as it is 4 V or more, the current limit > will deteremine how powerful the unit is as it will set the current. > > > Go to these websites for much more information: > > > > www.sota-inc.com > > (check out the Silver Pulser and testimonials) > > > > www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/bbstuff.html > > (click on links at left side of menu) > > > > www.rarebooks.net/beck/ > > (many pages from Bob Beck) > > > > Have fun and good health, > > > > Bil > > >From what I have seen they both work quite well. > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS> SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing)
Kent, The Silver Pulser and other similar devices approved by the inventor: Bob Beck are very different than the Zapper (Hulda Clark). The Zapper outputs approx. 5 volts DC pulsating at around 20 kHz (20,000 cycles per second) square wave. The usual method using the Zapper is to apply this voltage to your hands by grasping onto two copper pipes. You cannot feel the electric current and it may not be strong enough to kill viruses and bacteria (inside your body) directly. The Beck type devices are much more powerful. They output around 27 volts AC (approx 50 V peak to peak) ~4 Hz square wave. Using two electrodes which are applied to the wrist (one on each side of the artery, the voltage can be adjusted to a comfortable level using the output control. The current flowing thru the skin is well over 100 microamps (millionths of an amp). This current is said to penetrate the blood vessels and damage viruses, bacteria, parasites, etc. According to research done at Albert Einstein University as little as 50 microamps are needed to kill viruses. 5 volts will barely supply 50 microamps IF your skin resistance is low enough at the time of treatment. And using DC instead of AC is said to cause problems. So I use the Beck type unit when I get a cold or flu and I am usually better in a day or two. Otherwise I am usually sick for about 5 days or more. Go to these websites for much more information: www.sota-inc.com (check out the Silver Pulser and testimonials) www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/bbstuff.html (click on links at left side of menu) www.rarebooks.net/beck/ (many pages from Bob Beck) Have fun and good health, Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>HOT WATER? 170VDC?
Marshall, Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention that I also use an aquarium pump to supply large air bubbles in the water to keep it moving (instead of stirring). Do you ever make a gallon? Have you found anything that will keep the electrodes fairly clean after many hours (using cold water)? Very low current did not work for me. If you have the time maybe you could send out your recipe for making 16 oz. and 1 gal. You seem to be more knowledgeable than most of the others in this group. I appreciate your comments, Bil - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 10:27 AM Subject: Re: CS>HOT WATER? 170VDC? > 2001 TV VCR wrote: > > > I have been making CS for some time. I started out > > with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot > > distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle > > size. > > The hotter the water the larger the particle size. We use freezing water to > keep the particle size as small as possible. If you particle size is too > large due to dissolved gases, then the way to fix that is to boil the water > to drive out the dissolved gases, such as carbon dioxide. But you let it > cool before using it. > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>HOT WATER? 170VDC?
I have been making CS for some time. I started out with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle size. Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: One gallon glass jar (clean) Plastic lid 99.99% silver, 1" x 3.5" (wetted) Food grade stainless steel, 1" x 8" (wetted) Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) Electrodes spaced 1/2" apart 30 volts DC Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current are you running? What is the advantage? Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon without the sludge using low voltage? Thank you very much for your replies. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: "Death"
To the person who has the word "death" in his (or her) e-mail address and blocked my e-mail Again, not to be rude, I don't think that commenting on a word which most people would hardly believe is part of someone's actual name qualifies me as moron. It seemed very obvious that you are trying to make a statement. If this is your name then I am very sorry. Either way I think that you should turn to God. God Bless you, Bil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 3:00 AM Subject: Re: CS>Re: NIZORAL & Diflucan > NO > it's my signature and only a moron would make a comment like that > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Current Limit Resistor
Hi Katarina, In answer to your CS current limiting question Go to Radio Shack or any electronics parts distributor and ask for a 1/2 watt, 8.2k (8200 ohm) resistor. Also get two of the alligator clips that are designed to snap onto the ends of your meter probes. Get one red and one black if possible (test clips) Just cut ONE of the wires going to your silver electrodes. Now simply attach each end of the resistor to one of the wires. "In series" means that the electric current will have to flow through the added device, similar to adding a small diameter water pipe "in series" with a larger pipe to limit the water flow. Now wire in the meter (set to milliamps) in series with the resistor. Here is the diagram: wire -> -ResistorMeter-> To silver Use the alligator clips to add the meter in series so that you can disconnect it if necessary to measure battery voltage or something. To reconnect the "open" wires when the meter is not used you can attach a clip lead (available in bags of five for a couple of bucks). If you have any other questions please give me your phone no. and what time is best and I will call you. E-mails take me forever to compose. Have fun, Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 8:34 AM Subject: CS>Re:Bil/resistor > Hi Bil, > that is exciting -- I would love to limit the current on my pulser. > So do I buy a resistor at Radio Shack? and what exactly do I ask for? > Then once I have it I just cut the wires and strip them a little and then I > can wire in both the meter and the resistor? Can I wire the resistor to the > meter and then the outside two wires to the pulser lead and the one to the > electrode? > > I think I'm going to get all this stuff and start experimenting soon. > > Thanks for your help. > Take care, > katarina > > > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:02:02 -0800 > > From: "2001 TV VCR" > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>METERS & Current Limiting > > Message-ID: <008e01bf34b7$069ee780$8dd4d...@x2001> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > To Jeff and all, > > > > The output of the Bob Beck approved pulsers/ > > CS makers is 27 VDC (pure DC, no pulsing) if > > you use the correct jack (CS). > > > > To limit the current to a maximum of 2 to 3 mA > > (depends on how strong you make the CS) > > when using 27 or 30 VDC just wire a 8200 ohm > > resistor (any wattage will do) in series with one > > of the leads going to the silver. > > > > Don't worry about cutting one of the wires to > > wire in the resistor and your meter (mA scale). > > This will not affect the operation in any way > > other than to limit the current (resistor). The > > benefits far outweigh the slight damage (change > > of appearance!). > > > > If you still have questions let me know. > > Good luck, > > > > Bil > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil
Hi Yvonne:o, I have been using olive oil for everything for years. Mostly salad dressing and soups. I heard that studies indicate that the high consumption of this oil by people in the middle east may explain why the rate of heart attacks in those countries is so low. Because of the high price of organic I always buy extra virgin olive oil at the supermarket. Since the olives are probably sprayed with chemical insecticides I often wonder if this stuff is almost as bad as regular refined vegetable oil. Bil - Original Message - From: O2 Communication To: ; Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:06 AM Subject: RE: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil > Great news re. fleas - should surely work for dogs as well? > > During nutrition training some years ago, I leanred from Dr Don Lawson (USA) > that one should only cook with olive oil and butter (monosaturates) as > compared with the polyunsaturates which, when heated, become carcinogenic... > and that's how we've cooked, very healthily ever since ...! > > Yvonne:o) > > -Original Message- > From: fernwo...@aol.com [mailto:fernwo...@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 3:15 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>jewel weed, fleas, soy oil > > > To those asking about jewel weed, here is a link with a great picture. > I > have used it all my life to prevent problems after touching poison ivy. HREF="http://altnature.com/jewelweed.htm";>jewel weed, poison ivy, poison ivy > cure, folk medicine > > As to the discussion of cats, do you know about using brewers yeast to > prevent fleas. In PA, I give each cat 1/4 teaspoon a day mixed with canned > cat food. I do this March through November, and they never have fleas now. > But you must start early, before there are any fleas around, or the fleas > will move off the cats onto you. > > I had used Canola oil because it was recommended by Nutrition Action as > the best, until I recently read many horrible things about it. By the way, > did you know it is in most peanut butters? So I switched to Soy oil because > soy is supposed to be so good for you. But now someone said there are > dangers with soy oil. Could anyone explain what the problem is with soy > oil? > Karen > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>METERS & Current Limiting
To Jeff and all, The output of the Bob Beck approved pulsers/ CS makers is 27 VDC (pure DC, no pulsing) if you use the correct jack (CS). To limit the current to a maximum of 2 to 3 mA (depends on how strong you make the CS) when using 27 or 30 VDC just wire a 8200 ohm resistor (any wattage will do) in series with one of the leads going to the silver. Don't worry about cutting one of the wires to wire in the resistor and your meter (mA scale). This will not affect the operation in any way other than to limit the current (resistor). The benefits far outweigh the slight damage (change of appearance!). If you still have questions let me know. Good luck, Bil - Original Message - From: Jeffrey A. Madore To: Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re: Mike/meters > Hi Katarina, > > The only concern I have in trying to meter the current of the pulser, is in that > I'm not sure what the output looks like. If I understand correctly, the pulser > changes polarity several (4?) times per second. (I'm looking at a schematic from Bob > Beck's site) This would be equivalent to using a simple setup and swapping > the leads to the electrodes 4 times per second. > > A DC ammeter connected in line would then see the current change direction at > that rate. If the rate of change were slower, the meter would read a steady state > positive reading, and then an equal but negative steady state reading...and so on. > This is basically a low frequency AC square wave. With the meter set to DC, it might > just flash a bunch of numbers at you, as it wouldn't react quickly enough to display > the current before it changed direction. > > If set to AC, the problem may be similiar, as these meters are usually designed to > operate between a range of frequencies, and that doesn't usually extend down to > the 2 to 4 Hz range. > > Now, looking closer at the schematic in front of me, I'm not certain that the pulsed > output is used for silver generation. I'm typing out loud :-) > > The schematic I'm looking at has two output jacks: a 3.5mm jack labeled "biological > electrification" and an RCA jack labeled "colloids". The output from the RCA jack > appears to be fixed polarity DC with no active current limiting. There is a 150 ohm > resistor and small lamp in series to limit the short circuit current only. This output > would work nicely with a digital multimeter. > > So, maybe I'm not even on the right page!!! I have Lyme Disease and associated > dane bramage...keep *that* in mind. > > Three things I know for sure: > > 1. Mike's idea of getting a multimeter is a good one, as he said, it is a very useful > tool and it will aid in understanding this electrical stuff. > > 2. Supper is ready. > > 3. The smoke alarms work! > > God Bless, > Jeff > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS> SILVER PULSER? (Electronic Healing)
If you are talking about the Silver Pulser by Sota Instruments (the one approved by Bob Beck), here is some info and spec's. This is supposed to be very powerful in killing viruses, bacteria and any other foreign organisms in the blood. Probably much more effective if taking CS too. I have built a number of these as well as the Magnetic Pulse Generator, another powerful Baddie Blaster which we can discuss at a later date. Silver Pulser spec's and general usage info: Battery Voltage: 9 Volts DC (Alkaline Battery) Output Voltage at Colloidal Silver Probes: 27 Volts DC, +/- 1 Volt Output Current: 20 milliamps maximum when silver wires are shorted Ionic-Colloid Silver Production: 3 - 5ppm (parts per million) for 20 minutes for 8-16 ounces distilled water. Ionic-Colloid Silver Particle Size: Mostly ionic, with colloidal particles in the range of 0.005 - 0.015 microns when made as directed. Silver Wire Life: Can make approximately 80 gallons of 3 - 5 ppm ionic-colloidal silver per set of silver wires, when made as directed. Output Voltage at Gold Stimulator Probes: 27 Volts (Peak per Cycle, 54 Volts Peak-Peak) Bi-Phasic at ~3.92 Hertz (cycles per second) +/- 1 Hz This conforms to Dr. Beck's specifications exactly. Output Current at Gold Stimulator Probes: ~25 milliamps maximum when probes shorted and control knob on full intensity. You apply the gold probes to your wrist (on either side of the artery) and a few hundred microamps (less than a thousandth of one amp flow thru the blood - not anywhere near enough current to cause damage to your tissues). Treatment time is usually 1/2 hour to 2 hours. Bil - Original Message - From: Jeffrey A. Madore To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 6:52 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re: Chuck/meters > Chuck, > > I'm not familiar with what the "pulser" has for an output (frequency, etc). > It sounds like something more than flat DC. Do you know? I'm just > wondering how well it would meter. > > Jeff > (Two can live as cheaply as one... for half as long.) > > Charles King wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:29 -0700, "Katarina Wittich" > > wrote: > > > > >Now what do you mean when you say "> > > >> If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver > > >> electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. > > >I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable -- > > >does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and > > >the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how > > >to reattatch. Suggestions? > > > > My comments referred to adding a milliamp meter to the simplest of setups. > > That is: 3 battery, 2 clipleads, 2 silver electrodes that are bent to clip on > > the edge of a glass of distilled water. > > > > Anything else will take some simple innovation. > > > > If your device is complete with silver electrodes attached, you'll have to > > leave your device on the bench and use seperate new silver as above. > > Run one clip lead from the meter to one of the electrodes on the Beck device. > > Run one cliplead from the other meter terminal to a new silver electrode on the > > glass. > > Run a third cliplead from the other Beck electrode to the other silver > > electrode on the glass. > > Set the meter to read current, or milliamps (depend on your meter). > > If you draw it out, it's pretty simple. > > Chuck > > if you think education is expensive -- try ignorance. > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Meter question
You sure are right James! I forgot to mention that. Of course if your meter actually has a 10,000 volt range then you could... However high voltage can be very deadly, only takes around 10 milliamps to kill you! I don't want to get near it myself. Prefer to use LV. Bil - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:08 PM Subject: RE: CS>Meter question > Don't do this with High Voltage generators. > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > > -Original Message- > From: 2001 TV VCR [SMTP:x2...@qnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:37 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Meter question > > If you want to accurately and safely measure > the resistance of the water first measure the > voltage at the silver electrodes. Now attach > your meter leads in series with the voltage to > one of the electrodes and switch the meter > to measure milliamps. > > Divide the voltage reading by the amp reading > (convert milliamps to amps by moving the > decimal point three places to the left) - this is > the resistance. > > Bil > > > > - Original Message - > From: Marshall Dudley > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Meter question > > > > Please, if you use a VOM or multimeter for measuring the resistance of > water, throw > > it out after the measurement, or use silver wire for the probes. The > probes can be > > solder or nickel plated, and when you measure the water, the metal can be > stripped > > off and goes into the water. Solder is typically 40% lead, and nickel > isn't much > > better. You don't want to drink either of them. > > > > Marshall > > > > Charles King wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:45:56 -0700, "Katarina Wittich" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Bill > > > >suggested I get a volt-ohm meter from radio shack that reads in the > > > >milli-ohms range. Someone else, I think Chuck - said one should get a > > > >digital multimeter from Radio shack. Are they the same thing? I would > like > > > >to get only one more meter and be done with meter buying > > > > > > A volt-ohm meter is a multimeter, so named because they usually measure > > > voltage(volts), resistance (ohms), and current( amps, milliamps). > > > Cheap ones are usually accurate enough for general experimental and > household > > > use. > > > They come in two types. Analog, which reads as a pointer on a scale, or > > > digital, which reads out as numbers on a screen. > > > Digital is easier to use by far. Used to be very expensive, not anymore. > Well > > > worth any difference in price over a analog in the same range. > > > > > > If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver > > > electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. > > > > > > Distilled water will start with a very low current (usually about 0.25ma > or > > > less). As your process continues, the current will gradually rise. You > should > > > stop the process before you get above 2.5ma). This usually takes less > than an > > > hour. > > > If your starting current is NOT low, your water is contaminated. > > > If it doesn't rise, you've pulled a Marsha. Keep it to yourself... > > > > > > Chuck > > > Important Things My Kids taught Me > > > > > > It's more fun to color outside the lines. > > > If you're gonna draw on the wall, do it behind the couch. > > > Ask why until you understand. > > > Save a place in line for your friends. > > > If you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse. > > > Making your bed is a waste of time. > > > If your dog doesn't like somebody, you probably shouldn't, either. > > > Toads aren't ugly. They're just toads. > > > just keep banging until someone opens the door. > > > Don't pop someone else's bubble. > > > You shouldn't ask to start over just because you're losing the game. > > > Chasing the cat is more fun than catching it. > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Meter question
If you want to accurately and safely measure the resistance of the water first measure the voltage at the silver electrodes. Now attach your meter leads in series with the voltage to one of the electrodes and switch the meter to measure milliamps. Divide the voltage reading by the amp reading (convert milliamps to amps by moving the decimal point three places to the left) - this is the resistance. Bil - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: CS>Meter question > Please, if you use a VOM or multimeter for measuring the resistance of water, throw > it out after the measurement, or use silver wire for the probes. The probes can be > solder or nickel plated, and when you measure the water, the metal can be stripped > off and goes into the water. Solder is typically 40% lead, and nickel isn't much > better. You don't want to drink either of them. > > Marshall > > Charles King wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:45:56 -0700, "Katarina Wittich" > > wrote: > > > > >Bill > > >suggested I get a volt-ohm meter from radio shack that reads in the > > >milli-ohms range. Someone else, I think Chuck - said one should get a > > >digital multimeter from Radio shack. Are they the same thing? I would like > > >to get only one more meter and be done with meter buying > > > > A volt-ohm meter is a multimeter, so named because they usually measure > > voltage(volts), resistance (ohms), and current( amps, milliamps). > > Cheap ones are usually accurate enough for general experimental and household > > use. > > They come in two types. Analog, which reads as a pointer on a scale, or > > digital, which reads out as numbers on a screen. > > Digital is easier to use by far. Used to be very expensive, not anymore. Well > > worth any difference in price over a analog in the same range. > > > > If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver > > electrodes, you will know the current going through your water. > > > > Distilled water will start with a very low current (usually about 0.25ma or > > less). As your process continues, the current will gradually rise. You should > > stop the process before you get above 2.5ma). This usually takes less than an > > hour. > > If your starting current is NOT low, your water is contaminated. > > If it doesn't rise, you've pulled a Marsha. Keep it to yourself... > > > > Chuck > > Important Things My Kids taught Me > > > > It's more fun to color outside the lines. > > If you're gonna draw on the wall, do it behind the couch. > > Ask why until you understand. > > Save a place in line for your friends. > > If you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse. > > Making your bed is a waste of time. > > If your dog doesn't like somebody, you probably shouldn't, either. > > Toads aren't ugly. They're just toads. > > just keep banging until someone opens the door. > > Don't pop someone else's bubble. > > You shouldn't ask to start over just because you're losing the game. > > Chasing the cat is more fun than catching it. > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>LOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE?
Mike, Thank you for your reply. It's good to hear that LV silver is about as good as HV silver. Bil -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 3:03 PM Subject: Re: CS>LOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE? Re: Low or high voltage, Bil Green wrote: > I have not seen anyone discuss the best method for making high > quality CS. True, that particular debate hasn't come up lately. The consensus we have reached, or at least that I encourage, is that either is perfectly capable of making good CS. It's just a matter of getting your chosen process under control. > One of the manufacturers of high voltage (10,000 volts AC) CS > generators claims that the low voltage (30 volts DC) systems are > worthless. This is an overstatement on his part. Given the number of people who've had good luck with the LVDC generated stuff, you can *not* say that they don't work. It is arguable that the HVAC process generates a *different* and in some ways possibly *better* product, yes, but it does not negate the virtues of the low cost, low tech methods. We've got plenty of *both* kind of units represented here. You don't hear much complaint from either side about their own systems not working! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>LOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE?
James, To wire an inexpensive VOM in series with the 10,000 VAC the first consideration is that cheap VOM's don't measure AC milliamps (only DC). Sorry I did not think of that last time. I don't know what Marshall was referring to about adding a diode. Adding one in series with the meter would change the HVAC to DC. This is more accurate: Wire a 1,000 ohm resistor in series with one of the HV leads and attach your meter leads ACROSS this resistor. Set the meter to read at least 10VAC at first. A 1/2 watt resistor will do. When you power up, a reading of 1 VAC will indicate 1 mA, 5 VAC is 5 mA, etc. Adding this 1,000 ohm resistor to a 10,000 V circuit will reduce the current by less than a hundredth of 1 mA! (when running at 1 to 10 mA). You can use a lower voltage setting on the meter if necessary for better resolution. Thank you for the tips on CS. Bil >Hi Bill, > >Thank you for your time and expertise. I think I will try the RS meter >first. > >I thought that paddle meters were made which could just be placed on the >wire, but I have not been able to find one. That seems the least intrusion >into the circuit. > >Can you describe in detail how to hook up a cheap analog meter. I could do >it at the generator tank end of the circuit without cutting the HV leads. > Perhaps physically awkward, but I could do it without cutting the wire. > >I don't know much about low voltage silver, except that it works. I >started with 3 9v batteries and a glass. > >>From my observations of the experiences of the people on this list a lot of >different systems work. I am expert in none. I would have to dig through >a lot of not-well-organized mail to find the answers to your questions. > Address them to the list and you will get a flood of answers. > >One thing is pretty obvious; water quality---purity and conductivity---is >crucial to most, if not all processes. And you can get water a bit too >pure. > >The second most important factor is limiting current. As more Ag gets in >the water, it becomes more conductive and puts more silver in the water >faster, which raises the condyou get the point. Most agree that big >current makes big particles. Most everybody seems to agree, that with DC >generators, current limiting circuits improve the quality of the sol. I >think they use a 555. > >Let me know if you can't find what you are looking for and I will try and >dig it up. > >James Osbourne Holmes >a...@trail.com > > >-Original Message- >From: 2001 TV VCR [SMTP:x2...@qnet.com] >Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:13 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com; a...@trail.com >Subject: Re: CS>LOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE? > >James, > >To safely measure the current in the secondary circuit of the >10,000 volt transformer I would recommend the following: > >With the power off attach your inductive pickup to one of the >high voltage wires making sure that no other wire (low or HV) >or metal is within several inches of the pickup > >This HV wire is only 10,000 volts IN RELATION to another wire >on the transformer secondary. With the HV transformers in the >TV's I work on (15,000 Hz, not 60 Hz) there can be some >voltage leaking to other wires or metal, less likely with 60 Hz. > >To be on the safe side you probably should use a less >expensive DMM. You can pick one up for as low as $30 (US). >Make sure that it has a 10 megohm input impedance (if that's >what your Fluke has). Then if somehow it blows out you don't >lose much. Nice to have a backup meter anyhow. > >By the way will your pickup measure a few milliamps? Maybe >I should have asked that first!! An inductive pickup may be very >inaccurate with such a small current flow. I cannot imagine how >cutting and then carefully splicing the wire would hurt anything. >Then you could use a $10 analog VOM (volt-ohm-milliampmeter.) > >If you have any suggestions for using another low voltage instead >of 30VDC (15V? 150V?) and best current levels I would be most >appreciative. I am using the gallon jar with the large electrodes. > >Good luck and let me know what happens, > >Bil Green > > > >>Hi Bill >> >>Can you tell me the most practical way to measure the milliamps at the >>secondary of a nominal 120 V 60 Hz 10KV center-tapped transformer? I >>would rather not cut the wire, because the maker says the configuration is >>very sensitive to even minor changes in the physical layout. >> >>I have a Fluke 87 and an inductive pickup, but am spooked about frying the >>meter. I asked Fluke, and they said the transformer was not rated for >that >>voltage. Other than an insulation breakdown, what distortion of the &g
Re: CS>LOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE?
James, To safely measure the current in the secondary circuit of the 10,000 volt transformer I would recommend the following: With the power off attach your inductive pickup to one of the high voltage wires making sure that no other wire (low or HV) or metal is within several inches of the pickup This HV wire is only 10,000 volts IN RELATION to another wire on the transformer secondary. With the HV transformers in the TV's I work on (15,000 Hz, not 60 Hz) there can be some voltage leaking to other wires or metal, less likely with 60 Hz. To be on the safe side you probably should use a less expensive DMM. You can pick one up for as low as $30 (US). Make sure that it has a 10 megohm input impedance (if that's what your Fluke has). Then if somehow it blows out you don't lose much. Nice to have a backup meter anyhow. By the way will your pickup measure a few milliamps? Maybe I should have asked that first!! An inductive pickup may be very inaccurate with such a small current flow. I cannot imagine how cutting and then carefully splicing the wire would hurt anything. Then you could use a $10 analog VOM (volt-ohm-milliampmeter.) If you have any suggestions for using another low voltage instead of 30VDC (15V? 150V?) and best current levels I would be most appreciative. I am using the gallon jar with the large electrodes. Good luck and let me know what happens, Bil Green >Hi Bill > >Can you tell me the most practical way to measure the milliamps at the >secondary of a nominal 120 V 60 Hz 10KV center-tapped transformer? I >would rather not cut the wire, because the maker says the configuration is >very sensitive to even minor changes in the physical layout. > >I have a Fluke 87 and an inductive pickup, but am spooked about frying the >meter. I asked Fluke, and they said the transformer was not rated for that >voltage. Other than an insulation breakdown, what distortion of the >measurement or harm to the meter would you consider. > >Thanks in advance, > > >James Osbourne Holmes >a...@trail.com > > >-Original Message- >From: 2001 TV VCR [SMTP:x2...@qnet.com] >Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 1:40 PM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: CS>LOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE? > >I have not seen anyone discuss the best method for >making high quality CS. One of the manufacturers of >high voltage (10,000 volts AC) CS generators claims >that the low voltage (30 volts DC) systems are worthless. > >I have been using 30VDC first using thin silver wires and >a 16 oz. jar and now a gallon jar with a much larger silver >electrode. Without current limiting most of the silver ends >up on the cathode (negative electrode). Some of you >suggested limiting the current to a milliamp or so and >going for quite a few hours. > >Can some of you offer more opinions and suggestions >along these lines. Let us know what type of equipment >and voltages/currents you are working with if getting good >results. It is so important that all of us end up with CS that >is effective and safe to use. > >If any of you have questions about electrical or electronic >circuits involving you CS equipment I can help. > >Bil Green >2001 TV VCR > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>LOW OR HIGH VOLTAGE?
I have not seen anyone discuss the best method for making high quality CS. One of the manufacturers of high voltage (10,000 volts AC) CS generators claims that the low voltage (30 volts DC) systems are worthless. I have been using 30VDC first using thin silver wires and a 16 oz. jar and now a gallon jar with a much larger silver electrode. Without current limiting most of the silver ends up on the cathode (negative electrode). Some of you suggested limiting the current to a milliamp or so and going for quite a few hours. Can some of you offer more opinions and suggestions along these lines. Let us know what type of equipment and voltages/currents you are working with if getting good results. It is so important that all of us end up with CS that is effective and safe to use. If any of you have questions about electrical or electronic circuits involving you CS equipment I can help. Bil Green 2001 TV VCR -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: brown glass bottles?
You can still get dark amber prune juice bottles. Bil -Original Message- From: Sharon L. House To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 6:20 PM Subject: Re: CS>mail order source for brown glass bottles? >I've been using Mrs. Butterworth's (Mrs. Silverworth is this house) brown >glass bottles. They're a nice size and they pour like a dream. No dripping. >Only thing is, now they're starting to switch to plastic. Darn! But if you >are a pancake syrup user, run - don't walk - to your nearest grocery store >and buy up what's left of the glass bottles! > >Sharon > > >>Does anybody know a mail order source for reasonably priced brown glass >>bottles appropriate for use with colloidal silver? I checked with my >>local pharmacy, and the prices they were asking, even for a bulk >>purchase, seemed exorbitant. >> >>Tom > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>C.S. Gallon at a Time
Thank you Ivan, I'm not familiar with finding the archives. I forgot to mention that I was using as aquarium air pump to keep the water stirred. Someone suggested using a 1,000 ohm resistor is series to limit current. I may try that or build a current regulator. The last time I checked with Hanna the cost of their better PPM testers was beyond my budget. Thanks again, Bil -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 3:00 AM Subject: Re: CS>C.S. Gallon at a Time >High there Bil, > >Sounds like you need to limit your current. Search the archives for >methods to achieve this. >You could probably benefit from some sort of mechanised stirring also. > >BTW the build up on the cathode is not silver oxide but metallic >silver. > >The Hanna PWT conductivity meter would be a better choice, it will >measure silver colloid within certain parameters. See previous posts >from me over the last month. Testing on going. > >Regards >Ivan. > >- Original Message - >From: 2001 TV VCR >To: >Sent: Monday, 8 November 1999 23:04 >Subject: CS>C.S. Gallon at a Time > > >> Hi! >> >> I am new on this list. Do any of you have instructions for >> building a gallon maker. I am using a gallon jar with one >> 4" x 3/4" (99.99%) silver electrode and one 9" x 3/4" (food >> grade) stainless steel. >> >> I am using 30 volts DC (positive voltage on the silver of >> course), good distilled water and I am not happy with the >> amount of wasted silver which collects on the cathode >> (negative electrode - steel). >> >> If any of you know of a better method for making larger >> quantities or a way to greatly reduce the waste (silver oxide) >> when making any quantity, myself and probably a few of you >> would be most appreciative. >> >> Also, are you guys using the TDS1 (by Hanna Instruments)? >> Any suggestions for measuring CS. Not very accurate >> according to Hanna. >> >> Thanks a bunch! >> >> Bil Green > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>C.S. Gallon at a Time
Hi! I am new on this list. Do any of you have instructions for building a gallon maker. I am using a gallon jar with one 4" x 3/4" (99.99%) silver electrode and one 9" x 3/4" (food grade) stainless steel. I am using 30 volts DC (positive voltage on the silver of course), good distilled water and I am not happy with the amount of wasted silver which collects on the cathode (negative electrode - steel). If any of you know of a better method for making larger quantities or a way to greatly reduce the waste (silver oxide) when making any quantity, myself and probably a few of you would be most appreciative. Also, are you guys using the TDS1 (by Hanna Instruments)? Any suggestions for measuring CS. Not very accurate according to Hanna. Thanks a bunch! Bil Green -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
