CS>Re[2]: CS>Arthritis?....and Computers?
Hello Nina, Friday, December 14, 2001, 9:42:18 AM, you wrote: NS> Robb, NS> Computer monitors, unless COMPLETELY shielded, emit toxic radiation. Even NS> the fan in the computer box emits a potentially dangerous EM field. Trust NS> your body. It's probably the computer. I would try to protect myself as much NS> as possible. NS> Perhaps someone on the list knows of a company that sells diodes to protect NS> the user from computer emissions. NS> Best, NS> Nina Nina, no offense, but I find that statement a little hard to swallow. I personally know a gentleman who has stood in the direct path (unintentionally) of a very high powered transmitter. It was a cold winter day when this happened, and when he stepped into the beam, he said it felt like a nice, warm, summer day. This was a long time ago. Just for the record, his name is Dr. John Krause. It has been a few years since I have spoken to him, but I believe he is still alive and well, and over 90 years old. His accomplishments in life are astounding. Nonetheless, for those who believe that 50 or 60 Hz EMR is toxic, I have some very bad news for you. The only way to escape it is to leave the planet. The energy travels around the globe practically lossless (I believe a loss of less than 0.1 dB per pass around the earth). We are literally bathed in a sea of electromagnetic waves. The electrical lines that eneter your house make a great "longwire" antenna, and bring in RF of many, many frequencies. Admittedly, I only purchase monitors wich meet the most stringent radiation specifications. But, my concern is mainly the "s-rays" (soft x-rays) that they emit. Even going with a LCD monitor will not eliminate electromagnetic radiation. And, while a Faraday cage would protect the user from the electrical component, there is no way to shield yourself from the low-frequency magnetic component. Even Faraday cages made of Mu metal have failed. While the fan motor may emit radiation, it is many, many times weaker than the fields generated by your house wiring. Also, I fail to see how a diode would offer any protection whatsoever. Just my proverbial $0.02! -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>I think I gave you a virus.........check your harddrive
Hello John, Friday, December 14, 2001, 7:20:54 PM, you wrote: JO> 2. In the "Search for files or folders" type JO> sulfnbk.exe -- this is the name of the virus. JO> 3. In the "Look in" section, make sure you are JO> searching Drive C. JO> 4. Hit "Search" or "Find." JO> 5. If your search finds this file, it will be an ugly JO> blackish icon that will have the name sulfnbk.exe. JO> DO NOT OPEN IT! If it does not show up on your JO> first "Search," try a "New Search." JO> 6. Right click on the file -- go down to "Delete" and JO> left click. JO> 7. You will be asked if you want to send the file to JO> the Recycling Bin--say "Yes." JO> 8. Go to your Desktop (where all your icons are) and JO> right click on the Recycle Bin and either manually delete JO> the sulfnbk.exe program or empty the entire bin. JO> 9. If you found the virus on your system, send this JO> or a similar e-mail to all in your address book JO> because this is how it is transferred. JO> Sorry for the trouble and my apologies for having unwittingly JO> "infected" you, should it have been passed on to you. JO> God Bless You "Indeed" JO> Nancy Reindl JO> rein...@ix.netcom.com Doesn't ANYONE read the flipping posts on junk like this!?!? DO NOT DELETE THIS FILE!!! THIS IS A HOAX! Cripes, people. READ THE POSTS!! -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Re[2]: CS>Arthritis?....and Computers?
Hello Kevin, Friday, December 14, 2001, 8:10:31 PM, you wrote: KN> Well said. I'll second that! I take it the gent was Jack Kraus, author of KN> "Antennas" and other textbooks on EM. Radionics sounds like hocus-pocus to KN> me. KN> Kevin Nolan Same guy, but his name is John D. Kraus. I have an autographed book here that he sent me 5 years ago, out of the blue. He is probably the ONLY author to ever get into the fact that the amount of energy in the Poynting vector is but a small fraction of a percentage of the actual energy flow. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>intro
Hello Lori, Saturday, December 15, 2001, 10:38:07 PM, you wrote: L> Hello! L> My name is Lori. I am new to the list and just signed up tonight. L> What brought colloidal silver to my interest is the fact that some of my friends have AIDS and while searching the internet for a cure, colloidal silver was mentioned by 2 homosexual men as being L> a life saver for them. As stated by someone else, the Beck protocol has shown extraordinary results. Two points on it though. 1) You MUST place the electrodes DIRECTLY over the blood vessels. PLACEMENT IS CRITICAL! A friend of mine was getting minimal results in treating Lyme disease, until I stressed this point to her. She was also getting sore spots where she placed the electrodes. After carefully placing them, the sore spots vanished in a few days, and her results were dramatically different. 2) You MUST be VERY careful of any drugs that you consume when on the protocol, as well as some foods! While many have hads no problems whatsoever, I believe that their electrode placement was off a bit as well. PLEASE research this protocol fully before utilizing it!! L> I, on the other have am healthy for the most part all except for maybe a sinus problem and I do smoke about 2 packs of cigerettes a day so I do also have chronic broncitis. L> I'm hoping to find out If I can still take colloida silver to enhance my health and/or as a prevention supplement? L> Looking forward to reading all your posts, L> Lori York As others have mentioned, quitting smoking is a great idea. But, unless they have been through it, like Terry, they have no idea what they are saying. I, personally, used to get bronchitis all of the time, as well as sinusitus. About every 6 to 8 weeks. And yes, I smoke cigarettes (my only vice). But, since using colloidal silver on a nearly daily basis, I have pretty much cleared up that problem. I have been to the doctors office 1 time in 10 years now, and thta was because I was travelling all of the time and away from my "remedies". Another thing that I use is Cat's Claw (uncaria tomentosa). I buy the bulk powder, and use 1 big tablespoon to a glass teapot. The properties of this herb are astounding, and I highly suggest it for anyone with AIDS, cancer, etc. Due to its highly anti-inflammatory properties, it brings rapid relief from a sinus infection or bronchitis. It is also has antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral properties. I have drank, when sick, 3 pots of this a day, and it brings rapid relief. I also nebulize colloidal silver as needed, and use a drinking straw to flood my sinuses when needed. The teapots claim to hold 8, 6-ounce cups. I use distilled water when making it. The brand of Cat's Claw I use is from the Frontier Co-Op. The have a website that you can order from. Actually, I get mine from a local Co-Op ( a true, non-pofit outfit that has been around since 1970) and end up paying half of what Frontier charges its own members! Unfortunately, our Co-Op does not have a web presence at this time. Oh, the Cat's Claw is the powdered form, and not the "cut and sifted" variety. As for colloidal silver, I drink 16 ounces some days, 4 ounces other days, and none at all sometimes too. No real method to my madness. When sick, I would drink a gallon a day at times. But, I haven't been sick in a very long time. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Unidentified subject! - bentonite
Hello Jonathan, Tuesday, December 25, 2001, 1:25:57 AM, you wrote: JBB> The field from EMX ceramic is very strong. I think it is partly JBB> magnetic; two on top of my cathode ray monitor cause the entire box to JBB> vibrate and rattle when I turn it on. I think the field somehow pulls JBB> or pushes on the scanning gun as it starts up. Very weird effect. I'll bet a dime to a donut that the EMX ceramic is conductive. Setting these on your monitor will cause vibration when the monitor is turned on because of the degaussing coil that surrounds the front of the CRT. The strong magnetic field created (at 50 or 60 Hz, depending on where you live) is creating eddy currents in the ceramic pieces. You can duplicate this effect with a piece of iron, ceramics used to make magnets, etc. If that kind of force was put on the electron guns, it would destroy them in short order. Just my $0.02 -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Speculation about variables in CS production
Hello James, Wednesday, December 26, 2001, 10:43:29 AM, you wrote: JA> Considering there are people like Uri Geller in this wondrous universe, you may have a point ;) JA> -James Uri Geller has nothing top do with it. Quantum physicists are learning that the observer influences the observed. The outcome is different for different observers. This has nothing to do with bending spoons, whether truly done with the mind, or slight of hand. JA> - Original Message - JA> From: James Osbourne, Holmes JA> To: Silver-List JA> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 8:38 AM JA> Subject: CS>Speculation about variables in CS production JA> Since it has been demonstrated that mental activity can influence matter perhaps the mental state of the experimenter may influence the production of CS. JA> James-Osbourne: Holmes -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS started too late.
Hello D, Wednesday, December 26, 2001, 5:12:58 PM, you wrote: DRP> Clear DayDear Listers, I have been making CS for just a short time and am now in the middle of trying to cure myself and family of our first colds of the winter. Symptoms are sinus congestion, DRP> very dry nasal passages, tight upper chest. No fevers. CS is allowing break up of green stuff. Have been taking 2oz of CS in orange juice 3 to 4 times a day, as well as using as nose spray. DRP> It has been 5 days now and only slight difference. I thought that house was too dry so now have big pot boiling on the stove. Relative humidity has increased 10% in 5hrs. Feels better. DRP> Probably just started too late. My production of CS is 8oz per batch and is clear to pale yellow. I know that the amount that I have taken is working because I now have the beginnings of a DRP> yeast infection. So have stopped ingesting CS and will continue with nasal CS spray. Will start with Acidolphilus capsules. Could there be something wrong with the way I'm making the CS? I DRP> am following written instructions. My best guess is that we didn't start taking it soon enough to stop infection until it was full blown. Any suggestions would be helpful. Am not as DRP> knowledgeable about chemistry or science as those that discuss all of the details here. I do have Rheu. Arth. and need to know about any holistic method for alkalizing my body. I had to resort DRP> to getting a shot of prednesone from the Doc just to get through all the preparation for christmas. Everyone thought it was funny that the "great cook" had to ask others to 'taste this' and DRP> 'taste that' because I couldn't taste anything with my stopped up nose. Thanks, Relynda Relynda: It is my opinon that the CS will not cause a yeast infection. In fact, I have seen it clear up a yeast infection with such rapidity that it is near astounding. In my own personal experience, if it were me, I would be drinking at least a pint of CS a day. Per person. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS & wattage
Hello Terry, Sunday, December 30, 2001, 8:32:46 PM, you wrote: TC> Wayne Fugitt said: TC> "Do you think something similar to a "wattage factor" TC> applies?" TC> Terry responds: TC> Years ago, when I was taking my Electronic Servicing TC> Technology classes (long name for 'TV repair'), I TC> received a bit, a tad, a smattering of electronics TC> theory. My understanding was that wattage simply TC> referred to energy being given off in the form of TC> heat, caused by the friction of electrons flowing TC> against resistance (ohms). (I may not have this TC> right.) TC> You can have a dial for adjusting voltage or current TC> (amperage), but I've never heard of a wattage dial. In TC> making CS, you only need to regulate voltage and TC> current, not wattage. Wattage is a by-product of the TC> interaction of voltage, current and resistance, as TC> smoke or heat is of the activity of fire. Am I right, TC> technical types? Wattage is usually used when the term volt-amps is more correct. And, while most people assume they are the same, they are not. They are only the same if the current and voltage are in phase. If the current leads, or lags, the voltage, the wattage changes, but the volt-amps do not. This is where electric ultitlities can actually get ripped off, as they make electricity in volt-amps, and sell it in watts. For companies that use a lot of power, the local utility will usually insist that transformers and motors are of the "high power factor" type. This keeps the current and voltage more in phase, and allows the utility to charge properly for the energy consumed. Wattage should never be used as a reference in making colloidal silver, as it can change wildly. As an example, one of my HVAC units can dump 900 watts into a batch. But, there is no corrolation between the wattage of that and, say, a simple LVDC setup that produces the same PPM in the same amount of time. The wattage on the LVDC unit will be a fraction of the HVAC unit. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Betr.: CS>Healthy vs unhealthy oils
Hello Jef, Wednesday, January 09, 2002, 3:53:06 AM, you wrote: JA> Hello Terry and other members. JA> I think your two cents correct but I have still a question on high blood pressure. What is the best way to handle high blood pressure? My best friend 49 years old was until a year ago a very JA> healthy person. Then he started feeling not so good sometimes blurred sight on his right eye, high blood (185 over 115). After long discussions with his house-doctor he was allowed to go to the JA> hospital. He's had several investigation but nothing was found. Conclusion there's nothing wrong with you. Now he get medication (antical) for high blood pressure. This makes him not feel good JA> and he's worrying to death. Please what's your advice? JA> thanks from me and my friend The fastest, most positive, and most assured fix for high blood pressure is EDTA chealtion via IV. Anyone who doubts this can ask Ole Bob, or Brooks Bradley, or read the book "Bypassing Bypass", by Dr. Elmer Cranton, M.D. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>
Hello Dhavill2, Saturday, January 12, 2002, 11:40:57 AM, you wrote: Dcc> I've tried to access this site several ways, to no avail--am told the site Dcc> does not exist. Is there a home page to go to? I tried csprosystem, but also Dcc> came up with nothing. Hope I'm not being obtuse again. Dcc> Deb Dcc> In a message dated 1/12/02 1:45:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, har...@direct.ca Dcc> writes: >> This web site is very good re use of CS for above items in subject line; >> > HREF="http://www.csprosystem.com/CandidaPage.html";>http://www.csprosystem.com/CandidaPage.html >> >> >> >> The url is inaccurate. http://www.csprosystems.com The "s" was missing. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
Hello Alvin, Saturday, January 12, 2002, 5:32:07 PM, you wrote: AR> Hi List AR> Here's some instructions from a doctor on another list. AR> Drinking Colloidal Silver is not effective??? AR> Is it true AR> HI ALL:Best way to "ingest" CS is sublingually. take the equivalent AR> of a large soup spoon (maybe two regular size soup spoons?) and place AR> the liquid under your tonge. keep it there for as long as you can. AR> Let's say, 10 minutes if you can. Simply DISCARD the rest. No need AR> to swallow any of it. It won't do you any good. "first pass" is AR> digestion. the route accross your instestinal mucosa is no good. Not AR> that will kill your "friendly flora" (it has to be infected and AR> anaerobic for that to happen...)is that the exchange of AR> electrochemical sequence that colloidal have to traverse is just to AR> much for the small positive charge that the particle have. I use a AR> nebulizer for some of my patients. To others I inject them with cs. AR> Sorry that i can't say where I inject nor for what purpouse. But it AR> is for serious conditions. Those that drink colloidal are simply AR> wasting their time. sorry but real.C.R.Fredes, NMD That statement is inaccurate all over the place. And, if my memory serves me, Cs is effective against bot aerobic and anaerobic bacteria. This guy hasn't done his homework. He is either making some bad assumptions, or basing this on someone elses "word". -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Yeast infections
Hello Terry, Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 8:36:41 AM, you wrote: TC> I once recommended to a client that she douche with TC> CS, but I never received a report. My own feeling is TC> that CS with a few drops of H2O2 would be very TC> effective. TC> Terry Chamberlin I once suggested just drinking the stuff. And the report came back with flying colors. She worked her dosage up over the course of a few days, from a couple of tablespoons. I would think that drinking 4 or more ounces a day for a few days would wipe it out. The lady I am referring to had wonderful success in just 3 days. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble
Hello Tel, Friday, January 18, 2002, 1:54:39 PM, you wrote: TT> With all due respect Trem: TT> I have used stir with a motor & bubble also no stir at all, and a chop stick stir TT> by hand. I to use a laser light and a pwt testerbut what makes me assume my TT> CS is clean of dust as you believe, is I have three Clean Air Ozone generators in TT> my house running 24 hrs a day to eliminate all dust and charge the air with extra TT> oxygen, I have four generators most of the time, but one is lent out. When I make TT> CS, once a week, I put a 3000 square foot generator in a 10 by 10 room and turn it TT> on and close the door. It smells like a fresh rain and thunder storm had just TT> passed over. very clean, my computer hardly ever has a film on it like before I TT> started using the Ozone generators. PS My silver tastes better with ozone too, TT> but I do not know if it IS better? All I know for sure is that it works on my TT> family and bets.. Peace ! TT> Tel Tofflemire TT> Phoenix , AZ Tel, I'm taking Trem's side here for sure. You didn't address one of the big concerns. Outgassing from the platic tubing and pump parts. Adding ozone to the air is going to make that problem even worse. Unless all of the components in the construction of your air pump are made from material designed to withstand ozone, and you are using the green, ozone-rated tubing on it, you are adding a bunch of unknown chemicals to your water. Ask Ole Bob about his research (years worth) into bubbling versus stirring. He spent 2 years investigating the various methodologies of making LVDC CS, and has it documented to boot. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>CG
Hello Marshall, Saturday, January 19, 2002, 1:09:05 PM, you wrote: MD> Satchid wrote: >> Ok, I made CG now for the first time. I have 2 neon transformer >> primary coils in parallel, secondary (high voltage) in series. >> >> >> This will burn up one or both transformers within a day or two. >> Already made that mistake myself when I first started working with >> them. The secondary is center tapped and attached to the case, which >> suppose to be grounded. Thus 1/2 of each winding will be totally >> shorted out. Problem is that even though the transformers are shunt >> protected against shorts, they are made for both windings being >> shorted, and if you only short 1/2 the transformer, the shunt current >> will be twice what it should be on a short, and the windings will burn >> out very quickly. Lost a $150 brand new one that way when I first >> started. >> >> Marshall Don't ground the case, and keep both transformers electrically isolated from each other and earth. It shouldn't pose a problem that way. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Hi, I'm a new member...
Hello Eric, Sunday, January 20, 2002, 12:11:13 AM, you wrote: EN> Hello. My name is Shirley. I am here because my son, who has autism has Candida. I am interested in starting him on CS to clear up his Candida. We are trying to chelate the mercury from his EN> body, but everytime we chelate a round, it aggravates his Candida, which makes him aggressive. EN> EN> We have tried other ways to kill the Candida with no success. I am interested in buying a CS generator from Synergenesis, Inc. I have read conflicting things all over about CS. I am leaning EN> towards the one from Synergenesis, because a lady from a different forum told me that that is where she got hers. I have read about Argyria and that is the last thing my son needs on top of all EN> of his physical problems. So, I thought this one would be a safe bet. EN> EN> Things that I would like to know EN> 1) What are people's thoughts and views on Argyria? Does anyone have it or know of anyone who got it? How did it happen? EN> 2) Does anyone have any advice on how to get started...or do you think that this generator is a good step forward for me. EN> 3) Do you think that it will kill off my son's Candida? How long does that take? What dose? EN> 4) Have you heard of the "stealth virus"? Will CS work on that too? EN> 5) Anything else that you think I would be interested in, I would love to know... EN> EN> Thanks :*) --it is great to have found you! EN> Shirley Shirley, Argyria is a crock. That is straight from the US FDA's mouth, so to speak. Someone sent in a letter, under the Freedom of Information Act, asking the FDA to provide any and all information on ANY cases of argyria caused by electrically produced colloidal silver, along with any known allergic reactions, deaths, or interactions with over-the-counter or prescription drugs. The FDA could not show ONE SINGLE CASE of ANY of the above in their ENTIRE database. Suffice it to say that anyone who perpetuates rumors about argyria, such as the the genuine quacks over at quackwatch, is simply showing their ignorance. I have posted the URL for the above stated letter many times, and it can be found in the archives. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>solving plate-out
Hello list, Sunday, January 20, 2002, 6:52:20 PM, you wrote: KN> In Digest V102 #72, Ode Coyote wrote: KN> "I have run across this rotating electrode setup in lab experiment KN> documentation and it does seem to work as stated but has something to do KN> with altering a boundary layer or something. mechanical complexity is much KN> greater. KN> 1] somehow chuck the electrode to a motor drive so it doesn't wobble all KN> over the place and with the correct polarity KN> 2] install that wiper. KN> It'll have to turn pretty fast to make a difference, I think. KN> ken" KN> Interesting, Ken. I plan to give it a try. Will let the list know how it KN> goes. KN> regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au I have experimented, to a limited extent, in this area. The shear developed by the vortex created has had some profound effects in my experimentation. I intend to further evaluate this in the future. I believe the preferred method would be to mount the electrode in a conductive bearing, as a wiper will, undoubtedly, wipe metal from the electrode. In keeping with nature, the electrode should spin counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and clockwise in the southern hemisphere. Using a speed controller is the way to go. I have kept the speed such that, when the vortex is fully formed, the "cone of air" at the top extends down 0.5 to 1.0 inch into the water. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>colloidal gold.
Hello list, Wednesday, January 23, 2002, 4:56:14 AM, you wrote: IA> Russ, IA> In this case it is the ionic form that is toxic. The ionic gold needs IA> to be reduced to metallic gold before ingestion. IA> Has any one thought of LVDC or LVAC arcing under water ...why does it IA> need to be HV? IA> Ivan Ivan: Ole Bob, Chip Hoyle, and myself had an off list, colloidal gold manufacturing discussion for some months. The results of bouncingmany different ideas off of each other, along with trying various setups, yielded the following results. HVAC is the best way to make CG (of the ways we experimented with). My personal setup uses a 15 KV 60 mA NST, a floating electrode setup, and a cooling setup. The cooling setup consists of a 240 gallon water tank, and a 300 GPH water pump. The water is circulated around the glass, 2 gallon "batch tank". As the water is never warmer than 62 degrees F, I never have a problem with heat. Ole Bob is using a cooling technique as well, and, if memory serves me, 2 60 mA transformers in parallel. He also has a setup to adjust the arc gap with the unit running. Because a spark gap blows RF all over the place, we have both used small AM radios to monitor the spark gap, without having to physically be there looking at it. Because my setup is in the basement, there is some natural shielding to the RF, which I initially had great concern over, living in the approach path to 2 different airports. I have found, through actual testing, that the RF noise drops off quickly with distance. And, since no one from the FAA or FCC has ever shown up, I really don't think it is a problem. Since my setup now has a massive cooling system, I can remove the floating electrode setup, as suggested by Ole Bob. I have yet to shield the electrodes with borosilicate glass, as Ole Bob does, but it can only help. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT: Lorenzo's Oil/Olive oil
Hello Jon, Wednesday, January 30, 2002, 2:24:44 PM, you wrote: J3c> There has been some discussion of oils and olive oil. It is important J3c> to realize that there is no legal definiton of the term 'extra virgin J3c> olive oil" or "olive oil" in the United States, nor is there any strict J3c> regulation over the industry. I don't recall all the details, perhaps J3c> someone can fill them in or post a web site, but the bottom line is that J3c> the reason olive oil is so cheap in this country is because it is not J3c> olive oil. Harvesting and processing costs for making olive oil can be J3c> anywhere from $35 to $90 a gallon and this does not include the many other J3c> costs associated with growing the olives. Italian olive oil is not cheap J3c> to produce either. Oil for domestic consumption in Italy is strictly J3c> regulated, but oil for export is another story and much of it is not J3c> really from Italy and is not really olive oil. Olive oil from the J3c> US can be diluted up to 60% with canoloa oil and it is very difficult J3c> to detect. Don't assume when you are buying that $5.00 quart bottle J3c> of olive oil that it is olive oil you are getting. Could you please quote your source for that information? Everything that I have read is in direct contradiction to what you have stated. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Hypertension..
Hello Bob, Thursday, January 31, 2002, 10:07:26 PM, you wrote: BB> Dissolving plaque in the arteries? Sure! EDTA Chelation Therapy. You BB> just need a pair of good tough kidneys and a liver that is in good shape BB> to take the insult of the load. Namaste: Bob Bartell Bob. This is in stark contrast to what I have read in books written by ACAM certified MD's! It is my understanding that EDTA enters, and leaves, the body as EDTA, so where, or why, your liver comes into play is beyond me. As for having good kidneys, any ACAM certified MD will do intial testing to determine the flow rate of EDTA based on kidney function. So, how is this an insult to the body? -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>ms
Hello DJG, Wednesday, February 27, 2002, 10:30:17 PM, you wrote: D> www.quantumbalancing.com This is the main url for Beck's protocol. D> Incidentally, Beck has given his blessing to Sota for their products. D> www.sotainstruments.com FDA/FTC relentlessly attacked them, but most D> recently FTC backed down, which is quite a feat. What's strange is how FTC D> could even try since Sota is a Canadian firm. Their magnetic pulser is now a D> licensed non-prescription medical device in Canada. They are trying to get D> the blood electrification approved as well, but I doubt that will happen D> anytime soon. Russ Torlage is a good guy. D> I have two Beck-type devices. One is a modified version. Sota Instrument's Beck-type blood electrifier, "the silver pulser", HAS been approved by The Canadian Health Protection Branch as a Class II Medical Device since June 19, 2001. Their Magnetic Pulser, Bio-Tuner units, and Clark-type "zapper" ALL have this approval. http://www.sotainstruments.com/new2001.html -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>[Fwd: [healthfraud] More Bad News for Colloidal Silver]
Hello Rick, Thursday, February 28, 2002, 1:24:23 AM, you wrote: R> I have a stock broker who handles some stocks for me. He supposedly is one R> of the most knowledgeable mining stock brokers in the U.S. He told me about R> a company called Clifton Mining which has a subsidiary called American R> Biotech Labs that produces a supposedly FDA approved CS- type solution R> called ASAP, which has many anti-bacterial properties. R> You can go read the info about this product: http://www.amsilver.com/ R> So, apparently the FDA doesn't have a problem with CS, maybe just with the R> way some people on the web are pushing its benefits. R> This isn't meant to be a plug for either of the companies listed. It's just R> some information you might find useful. I have no relationship with amsilver R> or Clifton Mining. R> Rick Rick, let us clarify something here that is a common misconception. The ASAP solution is NOT a ""CS-type solution". It IS COLLOIDAL SILVER. It was originally manufactured on CS Pro Systems Ultra Professional HVAC equipment. The company has seen fit to ripoff Bruce Marx's HVAC generator design by adding multiple units in parallel in a large batch-tank, and adding continual stirring. They then ran out and patented their idea. It seems that MANY people are led to believe that they have some sort of magical solution that is FAR different from CS, and that the solution itself is somehow patented. The people at American Silver seem to be trying to differentiate their product from CS, when in fact, it is CS. It is my personal opinion that these people have a greed driven goal of having THEIR product approved at every level possible, the whole time screaming about how it is different from CS. When they get to that point, I can envision them jumping behind the FDA to get ALL colloidal silver removed from the market, so that they can pretty much have a monopoly! I have no trust whatsoever in these people. To see their patent, visit http://www.delphion.com/ and search for patent number 6,214,299 Anyone familiar with the design of the CS Pro Systems HVAC units will see that this is a ripoff. They even mention Bruce Marx, and the Operation Manual for his HVAC units, in the patent. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Anyone Care To Comment?
Hello MikeJonny3, Saturday, March 02, 2002, 3:44:59 PM, you wrote: Mwc> Hi Y'all. I'm thinking of buying one of these generators. Mwc> Anyone ever heard of this company Sure, I'll comment. I have their model SG-7 Pro. The unit is outstanding, and coming from me, that's saying a lot. I have purchased CS generators of about every design available. I have built many myself. I have experimented with everything from low voltage DC to very high votage AC. Various electrodes. Various methods of generating CS. I have spent the past 5 years doing this sort of thing. And it hasn't been a mere hobby, either, as I have spent dozens of hours per week doing this sort of thing. Let me sum it all up for you. The SG-7 is the FIRST commercially available unit that I am happy with. Not only that, I am impressed by it as well! Trem will bend over backwards for you! Their customer service is simply second to none. As for the CS it produces, it appears to be outstanding as well. I say "appears", because as of yet, I have not thrown the whole gamut at it as far as illnesses are concerned. I HAVE done that with my HVAC CS, and it has done VERY well. But, let me add this. In the real-world tests I have conducted thus far with the SG-7 CS, it has passed with flying colors, even surpassing my own HVAC CS. Even grumpy "Ole Bob" had nothing but positive things to say about CS produced on the SG-7. In his own words "It is one of the best that I have tested.". And Ole Bob has tested many, many samples of CS. Like I said, I am thoroughly impressed, which isn't an easy task! While I don't own an SG-6, I personally would order one without hesitation. Anyone who has questions, such as how I had Trem calibrate my unit, how I have it set up, etc., can feel free to contact me off-list. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Nice-looking package at modest price
Hello Jonathan, Saturday, March 09, 2002, 5:04:17 AM, you wrote: JBB> I just stumbled on this link while doing a bit of web surfing. Seems JBB> like a very nice unit for a modest price. No details about particle JBB> size and so forth, however . . . JBB> Worth a look! JBB> http://www.pridecomm.cc/cs/kits.htm JBB> JBB Yes, it is a nice looking, commercially available power supply. But, I am concerned about a few things. They offer a ~30 volt, and a ~52 volt DC setup. Yet they CLAIM that you can make colloidal gold with these. I'm sorry, but I have yet to see someone make colloidal gold on a low-voltage DC setup. And I personally don't believe it is possible. Within the last year, Chip Hoyle, Ole Bob, and myself investigated different ways of making colloidal gold. Our unanimous opinion is that it is best made on a HVAC setup utilizing the underwater arc method. No low voltage setups proved to be viable. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>RE: FDA, etc. limits of jurisdiction
Hello Brenda, Thursday, March 14, 2002, 1:14:06 AM, you wrote: B> The last I heard the feds (of any persuasion) have ZERO to say about B> ANYTHING on a reservation. NA are a sovereign nation and are not subject to B> the feds! Technically, this is correct. Indian reservations are a sovereign nation. But, to think that the feds can't do as they please is wrong. Just ask Leonard Peltier. If you are targeted as a troublemaker, they will roll onto the reservation and start shooting at you, and if you shoot back in self defense, you will find yourself in prison for life. To think that you can go somewhere and be out of the reach of the FDA is foolish. Sota Instruments, while located in Canada, had to put up with an American Inquisition. While the FDA couldn't legally touch them, their goon squad, the FTC, did reach across the border to harass them. They brought the British with them as well (because Sota's website could be VIEWED by British citizens). Luckily, in Sota's case, cooler heads prevailed. Jaguar Enterprises, here in the US, didn't fare as well, and had to cough up $150,000 for what they said on their website. Maybe a reservation in Canada is the way to go. The last time I saw anything in the news about a Canadian reservation, the Indians were shooting Canadian cops, flipping their cars over, and burning them. I can't remember all of the details, but the Indians blocked a bridge, and were running around with AR-15's. The Canadian government came to some kind of an agreement with them, because they were tired of getting shot. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>RE: FDA, etc. limits of jurisdiction
S> Maybe a reservation in Canada is the way to go. The last time I saw S> anything in the news about a Canadian reservation, the Indians were S> shooting Canadian cops, flipping their cars over, and burning them. I S> can't remember all of the details, but the Indians blocked a bridge, S> and were running around with AR-15's. The Canadian government came to S> some kind of an agreement with them, because they were tired of S> getting shot. Uhhh Forget that idea. After looking into the incident, it seems the Canadian government used APC's, land mines, and a lot of troops to kill, injure, and arrest the Indians. You can probably, quite safely, assume that you are never out of the reach of the "fed's". -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>CS, Current, water, etc. was Testers
f AJ> a nonbiased organic chemist to fully address the issue, or at least make the AJ> best attempt to do so. AJ> But you should know: it has been proven that ionic silver CAN plate onto AJ> organs. This is an undisputed fact, documented by Petering in the 70's ( I AJ> have not seen the actual studies ), who was considered a reputable AJ> scientist. While this was demonstrated by the use of ionic silver AJ> compounds, it was still ionic silver. If the ionic silver was converted to AJ> silver chloride or other compound, no organ plating would be possible - at AJ> least, that is my thinking on the subject. SO, the ionic silver made it AJ> through the stomach/or/bloodstream, to the organ, at which time, for AJ> whatever reason, it was still ionic. Then, it plated onto the organ. I would have to see the study. Besides, there is a great difference between ingesting silver ions in water at a very low concentration, and massive amounts of, say, silver nitrate. While he may have documented this, what was the concentration of silver required to do this (in milligrams per kilogram of body weight)? AJ> Anyone truly honest would say: We don't know. There is not enough AJ> evidence. AGREED!!! Anyhow, this is NOT meant as a pissing contest! I have just added my views, and made a slight correction to the ion/particle statement. Everyone is invited to join in, in a CIVILIZED mannor please! Regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Asthma Protocol
Hello Hilary, Saturday, March 23, 2002, 3:48:27 PM, you wrote: HJ> Hello, CS-List, HJ> Should someone here have experience using CS in the treatment of asthma, please share that HJ> protocol with us here, or your experience. I know that at least two of us are anxious to learn more. HJ> I recall Nina Silver writing about inhaling CS and lemon EO. Suggestions as to dosage, times per HJ> day, or additional supplements or dietary measures would be just marvelous. HJ> Thanks, HJ> Hilary A very dear friend of mine has suffered from asthma pretty much her whole life. This is a serious problem, as she works as both an Emergency Medical Technician, and a Certified Flight Instructor. Upon my suggestion, she began nebulizing CS while she was at work (the EMT job), seeing that medical grade O2, nebulizers, etc. were readily available. She went from using her prescription inhalers about 1 to 2 times a day, to MAYBE once a month. This was after about 6 to 8 treatments, spaced over the course of a couple of weeks. I might add that she was utilizing the Beck protocol around that time as well, for eradication of Lyme disease. So, there are many variables here. Add to that the probability of asthma being caused by more than one thing, and you can see that it may not work in all cases. Your mileage may vary, as they say. I, for one, wouldn't inhale any type of essential oil, directly. After someone posted on-list about the possibility of clove oil removing asbestos from the lungs, it got me thinking. From time to time, I will take a big handful or two of cloves and throw them into a pot of water. I then bring it to a boil, and let it simmer for a few hours, adding water as needed. I do this because I love the way it makes the house smell. But, I did notice that when doing this, it seems to loosen up junk in the lungs. I would think that boiling lemon peels would work to put the essential oils into the air, without being overwhelming. My proverbial 2 cents, of course. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Magnetic Pulser
Hello Alvin, Friday, March 29, 2002, 2:26:19 AM, you wrote: AR> Hi Listers AR> Check out the High Power Magnetic Pulser AR> available at http://www.rtvc-2000.com/magpulse.htm AR> also lots of info links on alternative health protocols Alvin, no offense to you personally, but by posting a link to a product YOU sell, you are going to get spanked! I'm sure Mike will send you a "nastygram". Since you posted this on-list, I feel that it is only fair to critique your product. 1) You don't state if the capacitors are photoflash rated. If they aren't, they won't live long. Even if they are rated for photoflash use, the quality varies GREATLY by brand. 2) By increasing the net capacity (4 600 microfarad caps in parallel), you are only increasing the pulse duration. The peak magnetic flux generated isn't any greater than if you only used 1 600 microfarad capacitor. So, this makes the unit no better than any other one out there that operates at 325 volts. 3) You use "PAYPAL". There have been many, many articles written, in print and online, about people, vendors included, being ripped off by Paypal. Please note that I DO NOT make or market anything of the sort. I am just making observations on your product. You clearly violated one of the "carved in stone" rules here. Vendors are not permitted to hawk their wares. Expect harsh criticism for doing so. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: CS: Everything you EVER wanted to know CS
Hello Wayne, Monday, April 08, 2002, 2:00:43 PM, you wrote: WG> I found this below. I know as a newbie to the use of CS it answers many questions I have/had. I hope it will help others. Starts below my signature line. There is also a synopsis on how they make WG> their CS using 10,000volts experts may want to read this. WG> Over -n- Out WG> Wayne WG> "The moral development of a nation can be judged by the way that they treat their animals" - Mahatma Gandi WG> The Physics of it. WG> We make colloidal silver in half-gallon batches using a 10,000-volt A/C WG> transformer. A bar of 99.99% pure silver is suspended from one electrode into WG> steam distilled water. A small piece of 99.99% pure silver wire is suspended WG> form the other electrode just above the water. The process is very similar to WG> that used to electroplate a precious metal onto an object except that WG> the absence of a receiving object at another electrode causes the silver to WG> remain in a colloidal suspension in the water. WG> On one cycle, high voltage electricity flows through the bar and tiny particles of pure silver are separated from the bar and attempt to make their way to WG> the other electrode. Since the wire is suspended above the water the silver WG> cannot make its' way to the electrode and remains in a colloidal suspension WG> in the water. On the other cycle, electricity flows through the wire suspended WG> above the water and a blue arc of electricity is created between the wire and WG> the water. This is a null cycle and no silver is added to the water. The extreme WG> heat of the arc slowly vaporizes the silver from the tip of the wire and WG> eventually the wire needs to be replaced. Personally, I wouldn't ingest the stuff they make. That is a piss-poor way of making CS. The little "blue arc of electricity" they describe is filling the sol with nitrates, by fixing nitrogen from the surrounding air. Ole Bob shields his arc with a blanket of CO2, and still ends up with some nitrates. If they are going to rip off Bruce Marx's process, they should at least do it like he does. Allowing the water to "pull a cone" on the small wire electrode (2 of them in Bruce's setup) prevents arcing. Using 2 wire electrodes allows both sides of the larger, "plate" electrode to be utilized. The process they are using is very similar to what Roger Altman is using, or at least was using the last time I discussed it with him. While Roger feels that the nitrates/nitrites are a "red herring", I, personally, prefer to ingest my silver without nitrates. Roger's process IS different than theirs, though. He intentionally uses a wire electrode sized to produce sputtering. Of course, this is just my proverbial $0.02! -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Flies
Hello Wayne, Saturday, April 13, 2002, 1:04:03 PM, you wrote: WF> At 02:18 PM 04/13/2002 +0800, you wrote: >>>I hate acronyms. >>I hate html email. Please turn off. WF> HTML messages are beautiful on my screen. Possibly you need to WF> investigate getting a mail program that will display html, WF> or change your settings. WF>Wayne Wayne, I mean this in a good nature. But, do you mean to tell me that you prefer the many times greater bandwidth requirements of html versus plain text? And, along with the "beautiful messages", the ability to execute malicious code as well?? Naahhh Not me. I much prefer plain text. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Copper Arthritis Treatment
Hello Bob, Sunday, April 14, 2002, 3:52:16 PM, you wrote: BB> You used the acronym "RA" in your message! In the Army, I was taught BB> that RA in front of my serial number stood for "Regular Army" . What BB> does your RA stand for ... and why should I have to ask? (Believe me BB> when I tell you that I really don't know and haven't got a clue -- just BB> kind of stupidly ignorant by mentally blocking out acronyms!) Namaste: BB> Bob Bartell Bob, Even though I KNOW they mean rheumatoid arthritis, every time I see RA, my brain converts it to the words "right ascension". I know what you mean. :) -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing silver?
Hello AVRA, Monday, April 15, 2002, 12:09:05 PM, you wrote: AJ> Janis: AJ> Thank you for taking the time to share your story... I haven't personally tested Water OZ, nor tried it, but based on the claims made by their product, it certainly appears as if it is a silver AJ> compound... AJ> When you say fairly large amounts, can you give an average or general idea how much daily? Jason, >From perusing the archives (search wateroz argyria), she stated previously that she consumed over 7 gallons in a year's time (might have been a year and a half). If memory serves me correctly, someone else noticed a discoloration of the skin after using it topically. I believe it went away after a period of time (after discontinuing use). Hard telling if she will experience similar results after ingesting so much. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Re[2]: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing sil...
Hello Sinaj101, Monday, April 15, 2002, 5:38:27 PM, you wrote: Sac> Well I didn't consume 7 gallons of it. Maybe around 3 or 4 gallons total Sac> over time. Who was it that consumed the 7 gallons? One girl here in town Sac> was taking some form of silver (not WaterOz) and she claimed to have turned Sac> blue only temporarily and everyone said it went away. The form she bought Sac> was something from the health food store from what I was told and I never Sac> heard what type. She was taking it for sinus infections I think. Sac> Thanks, Sac> Janis Janis... Sorry if I confused you for someone else. The person was posting under the name "LymeSurvivor", and ALSO signed her name as "Janis", so I assumed it was you. Here is what she posted back on July 24, 2000. * Original Text * Hi all, I just read this posting. Yes WaterOz is ionic and is higher in parts per million than colloidal and is suppose to be smaller particle sizes. This is one reason I have taken it for over a year now as of May 30th 1999. I have taken as much as a cup a day of it for two months and then I dropped down on my intake to half. I have taken about 7 gallons total in the last year and I have a hard time believing it would turn anyone blue. I am still pink and my lyme symptoms have stayed in remission. I am working now and when I tell people of my experience with Lyme they can't believe it because I am stronger and healthier than most at work. I never have to call in sick and am always there. I have been very pleased with WaterOz silver and couldn't ask for a better product. I workout on a regular basis and even go to the tanning salon. Wouldn't the tanning have an adverse effect if the silver was effecting my skin? This was discussed once on this list a long time ago. I have had no problems at all. If someone is having skin problems there must be something else going on I think. The silver might be having a reaction with something else they are taking would be my guess. I can only speak of my experience though. Just my 2 cents. Janis * End Original Text * This was posted in response to someone stating they knew a person who was diagnosed with argyria, which developed after taking WaterOz. It is my own, personal opinion that WaterOz is indeed silver nitrate, and is most likely giving people a mild case of argyria. It has appeared on the list before, and it seems as if the only time it does, it is someone who's skin is discoloring. I personally would avoid this stuff like the plague. It is NOT colloidal silver, for sure. Just for the record, if her above statements are accurate, she consumed WAY MORE than 7 gallons of the stuff According to my math.. 1 cup a day for 2 months=8X60=480 ounces (assuming 30 day months) 365-60=305 305X4=1220 ounces (this is just 4 ounces a day for approx. 10 months, and is equal to more than 9.5 gallons) Total consumed should be 480+1220=1700 ounces, or a little more than 13.25 gallons (128 ounces to a gallon). -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Re[2]: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing sil...
Hello Sinaj101, Monday, April 15, 2002, 5:38:27 PM, you wrote: Sac> Well I didn't consume 7 gallons of it. Maybe around 3 or 4 gallons total Sac> over time. Who was it that consumed the 7 gallons? Ummm Sorry, Janis, but that "other person" I was speaking about is most certainly you. In another post, dated July 5, 2000, you even give your email address. You can see it below. So. The question is, just HOW MUCH WaterOz silver DID you take? You post of July 5, 2000 reads * Original Message * Hi everyone, Looks like some new people here. I used to be on this list as Sinaj101 and had to get off the list because of the overload in mail I was getting from all the different lists I was on. I have this address for just my silver mail. :) I am happy to be reading all the positive things once again about silver. As you probably can tell I am a Lyme disease surviver. I feel silver has made a big difference in my life. I have been taking silver off and on since a year ago last May 30th and still doing great and not having to take prescription antibiotics anymore. Here is my story on my lyme success. If anyone has trouble accessing it let me know. http://hometown.aol.com/sinaj101/";>My Lyme Success Silver has made a difference in my life and still is. Anyway, I am glad to be back on the list and happy to let you all know I have taken loads of silver and owe this list a lot because without this list I might not have ever tried it and it has been a life saver for me. Marsha are you still here? Thanks for all the help you gave me and its still paying off. Doing great here. How are you doing? I have really missed reading your posts. But I wont miss them now. :) Hugs to all, Janis * End Original Message ***** -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Argyria and Beneficial Bugs
Hello Marshall, Tuesday, April 16, 2002, 2:32:06 PM, you wrote: MD> What is hokey about it? Marshall, Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of what you are saying would agree that there is NOTHING hokey about the statements you made. What IS hokey is.. Janis still has NOT responded to my previous posts, in which I directly quote her from posts made in 2000. Using everyday math, she consumed more than 13 gallons of WaterOz silver. Going by her statement, made in 2000, she consumed over 7 gallons (which doesn't jibe with other statements in the same post). Going by her most recent statements, she only consumed 3 or 4 gallons. The question I posed was VERY basic. Just how much WaterOz DID she take? Which statement is accurate? I am beginning to think she is either a shill, or has a bone to pick with the manufacturer of WaterOz products. While this is purely speculation on my part, see if you can follow my thinking. This is all hypothetical, of course. Someone gets involved with a manufacturer, and stands to make a profit. So they espouse the virtues of the products. Then as time passes, that person has a little falling-out with that manufacturer. So, they run around trying to bad mouth them. Most probably just pure fiction on my part, but possible nonetheless. Her selectivity in answering questions posed to her makes me quite suspect. Her outright attack on your, quite valid, statements, as if she is the ultimate authority, only adds to her lack of credibility. Personally, I cannot accept any of her statements as fact until she sees fit to explain the discrepancies. As always, just my 2 cents. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Argyria and Beneficial Bugs
Janis, It is not my intention, nor the intention of others (I believe), to "blast" you. Nor is it my intention to make light of your situation. But, you do need to understand that there are many people on this list who would like to know the specifics. No, the exact amount of WaterOz that you consumed isn't critical, but as much accurate information that you can provide is. Why? So that it may be possible in the future to keep someone else from ending up the same way. One point that should be clarified is that WaterOz is NOT the same as electrically produced colloidal silver. It is, as I and others have previously stated, a silver nitrate solution. It is as different from colloidal silver as a block of sodium is from sodium nitrate. While sodium nitrate will peacefully dissolve in water, pure sodium will cause quite an explosion when placed into water. The differentiation between the WaterOz product and colloidal silver should be stressed. What should also be stressed is that at this point in time, there are still no documented, verifiable cases of argyria caused solely by ingestion of electro-colloidal silver. If anyone has documentation to the contrary, there are many who eagerly await the chance to view it. As far as your statement.. "I was told you guys would do this and I was waiting to see how long it would take before you would blast me and yes I get a little irritated because I remember all the things that I read on this list back then and felt so confident with everything. Now I am paying the price of being so gullible and believing everything and all the safety of it." In reading through the archives, it seems that YOU were the one so cock-sure of the safety of WaterOz, even though others were bringing up questions as to the possibility of it causing argyria. You chose not to even question the safety of the product, even though many were trying to get you to consider otherwise. It seems you have selectively chosen not to remember those statements, but rather, would have everyone believe that you were somehow misled and duped into taking WaterOz by the people on this list. While I am sorry to hear about your condition, let me close by saying there are worse things in life. As an amputee, I know the looks, stares, and comments one generally receives in public. But those are truly nothing. To eradicate your depression, might I suggest visiting your local childrens hospital and taking a look at little kids who have been burned beyond belief, or those who have lost limbs. I have, as they say, been there and done that. And, I find that your whole "woe is me" attitude, about a cosmetic condition that is only visible under certain lighting, genuinely sucks. It's my opinion that you should learn what is important in life, and how to count your blessings. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
Hello Kevin, Tuesday, April 23, 2002, 6:52:17 AM, you wrote: KN> I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies KN> it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous? KN> Kevin Nolan KN> - Original Message - KN> From: "John Draper" KN> To: "silver-list" KN> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: CS>>GMO ACTION ALERTS >> TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS >> >> (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY >> >> The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis, >> Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate >> representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of >> >> * more genetically engineered crops, >> * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and >> * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic >> experiments >> >> Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these >> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered >> food! >> >> Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your >> representatives, just visit >> >> http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121 >> >> and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your >> address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your >> concerns. >> >> Thank you for your support. >> >> (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY! >> >> Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day, >> Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned >> Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove >> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line. >> >> Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support >> this initiative. >> >> BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at >> >> 1-888-560-4625 >> >> Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove >> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line. >> >> BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting >> >> http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm >> >> and following the instructions there. >> >> Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft >> Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods >> needs to hear from concerned citizens more than once until the company >> agrees to remove genetically engineered ingredients from its product >> line. >> >> Thanks for your timely action. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> The activities enganged in by the GMO companies should arouse suspicion in anyone. Reckless action by the USDA, in letting GMO crops be freely planted, without any research whatsoever, should also be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Ask yourself if you feel comfortable with these facts. Monsanto's "roundup ready" variety of crops are not what they seem. If, for some reason, the farmer decides there is no need to spray Roundup (say there aren't any weeds in the fields), the "roundup ready" crops will die. They have been so altered as to REQUIRE the use of an herbicide, specifically Roundup. How about this one. Just a handful of companies can control the food supply of the world, and the ultimate pricing of such. Using "terminator technology", all seeds produced by the plants are sterile. Therefore, the farmer MUST buy new seeds every year, at the going price, which is decided by a small handful of companies. Want to see the ultimate in greed and power? There it is. No one eats unless they can pay your price. Because there is no feasible way to contain pollen from these plants, some of these characteristics WILL find their way into surrounding, non-GMO plants as well. It is already happening. This doesn't even begin to address the issue of bT corn pollen, and how it is nearly wiping out the entire population of Monarch butterflies. While the GMO companies try and claim they are doing this for the betterment of mankind, I personally feel it is nothing more than another diabolical attempt to gain total power, as witnessed time and again throughout history. Personally, I support biodiversity. It is the way the world has always been. To allow companies, especially ones with a checkered past in the areas of human safety, to brew up the world's food supply in some lab, without ANYONE even keeping an eye on them, could be a bigger episode in human history than the early use of lead pipes to supply drinking water. -- Best regards, Solar
CS>Re[2]: CS>Ozone and Cavities
Hello Mary, Thursday, February 20, 2003, 11:01:48 AM, you wrote: MLB> I have a question we purchased a honeywell air purifier for my mother-in-law MLB> who has double pneumonia, the byproduct is ozone, my carpenter said that it MLB> was dangerous to leave on when she is in the room for the ozone will MLB> eventually kill her, is this true??? Check the specifications, and I am sure you will find that the Honeywell's ozone output is WELL WITHIN the OSHA recommendations for ozone exposure. It is not an 'ozone generator', but rather an air filter/purifier that has ozone production as a byproduct. This is a far cry from a device designed to produce ozone. Ask yourself this... Do you HONESTLY think, in this modern day society FILLED with weasel lawyers (no offense intended to weasels), that a multi-billion dollar corporation such as Honeywell would sell a product that could easily kill people, without warnings placed all over the unit?? I feel quite confident that a common hand drill (A/C, brush type) produces more ozone in a couple of minutes than the Honeywell could in 24 hours. Ask your carpenter if he has changed over to battery type drills, for fear of killing too many people with his trusty old A/C powered Milwaukee. Then tell him to quit terrifying people with his urban legends. (Cripes, watch this turn INTO an urban legend. A/C powered hand drills will kill you from the ozone they produce bound to be the next internet propegated urban legend) -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Anthrax Comment
Hello Catherine, Sunday, February 23, 2003, 7:08:11 PM, you wrote: CC> Anthrax spores are not difficult to kill outside the body. There are a CC> number of CC> substances that do this. Inside the body, the anthrax spore spreads its CC> toxins so quickly, IF CS were to work against it, imediate treatment would CC> be required. CC> This is a big IF, because it has yet to be demonstrated on animals or CC> humans. CC> I think you would also find that the quality of CS most make at home would CC> not be sufficient. Catherine: I suggest you reread the statement made by Brooks. I will quote it again "Somewhere, in my personal archives, I have a paper published by a person in the U.S. Department of Agriculture (circa 1940), which discusses the fact that silver and silver-containing products, displayed excellent control of anthrax in specific farm animals..but have been unsuccessful in locating it to date." Personally, it is my opinion that Mr. Bradley is a great treasure, who walks around with more vital information in his head than is contained in a dozen encyclopedia sets. I will trust his memory on this one. Should you have scientific documentation that demonstrates otherwise, would you please be kind enough to cite your references? -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver
Hello James, Saturday, March 1, 2003, 6:19:21 PM, you wrote: JA> You said "The truth is that a silver solution whose silver content is JA> predominantly ionic silver should not be labeled as "colloidal silver". The JA> FTC would call that product mislabeled" JA> I say, going by the following definitions, ionic silver seems to be a JA> colloid. JA> What say you? JA> Since you mentioned the FDC, a government agency, I chose one of their JA> dictionaries. JA> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/mplusdictionary.html JA> Medical Dictionary JA> Main Entry: col·loid JA> Pronunciation: 'käl-"oid JA> Function: noun JA> 1 : a gelatinous or mucinous substance found in tissues in disease or JA> normally (as in the thyroid) JA> 2 a : a substance consisting of particles that are dispersed throughout JA> another substance and are too small for resolution with an ordinary light JA> microscope but are incapable of passing through a semipermeable membrane b : JA> a mixture (as smoke) consisting of a colloid together with the medium in JA> which it is dispersed The part about NOT passing through a semipermeable membrane differentiates colloidal from ionic. Ionic is dissolved, and therefore will pass through a semipermeable membrane. JA> Main Entry: par·ti·cle JA> Pronunciation: 'pärt-i-k&l JA> Function: noun JA> 1 : one of the minute subdivisions of matter (as an atom or molecule) ; also JA> : ELEMENTARY PARTICLE JA> 2 : a minute quantity or fragment JA> Main Entry: elementary particle JA> Function: noun JA> 1 : any of the particles of which matter and energy are composed or which JA> mediate the fundamental forces of nature ; especially : one (as the photon JA> or the electron) whose existence has not been attributed to the combination JA> of other more fundamental entities JA> 2 : one of the structural units of mitochondrial cristae that are observable JA> by the electron microscope usually as spheres or stalked spheres and are JA> prob. the seat of fundamental energy-producing reactions I don't have a CLUE as to why you included "elementary particle", as the common definition (the first one) has nothing to do with colloids, but rather subatomic particles. JA> Main Entry: pos·i·tron JA> Pronunciation: 'päz-&-"trän JA> Function: noun JA> : a positively charged particle having the same mass and magnitude of charge JA> as the electron and constituting the antiparticle of the electron -- called JA> also positive electron James, if you think that somehow a positron has ANYTHING to do with the positive charge of ionic silver, think again. A positron is the OPPOSITE of an electron, and exists in ANTIMATTER. The positive charge of ionic silver is caused by a LACK of an electron, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with silver, whether ionic or colloidal. JA> Yours in health, JA> James Allison Please, let us not try and impress, or confuse, anyone with basic BS on the subject. Two of the above definitions have NO PLACE in discussing colloidal and/or ionic silver (well, the "elementary particle" one could be used in the definition of an electron I suppose). -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>Anthrax Comment - mesosilver
S> The positive charge S> of ionic silver is caused by a LACK of an electron, and has ABSOLUTELY S> NOTHING to do with silver, whether ionic or colloidal. That SHOULD have read different. It should say... The positive charge exhibited by ionic silver has to do with the fact that it is missing an electron. A positron has NOTHING to do with either ionic or colloidal silver. A positron is an ANTI-electron, and exists only in antimatter. And antimatter exists only in very well equipped labs on this planet. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>cs and dmso
Hello Charles, Saturday, March 15, 2003, 10:59:02 PM, you wrote: C. CS> As we have learned on this list CS can damage brain cells, and dmso will CS> carry it to the brain. CS damages the brain?? I don't think you read that right. ANYONE, who has ANY scientific evidence that CS causes brain damage, please submit it to the list. No opinions Facts... With references in the literature. Brooks Bradley has been using CS mixed with small amounts (10-20%) DMSO for quite some time. I don't think it has ever shown effects of brain damage. PLASE folks.. As Pogo said. "I have seen the enemy... And he is us." Let us not propagate misleading statements, half-truths, and downright disinformation. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>blood-brain barrier
Hello Kit, Sunday, March 16, 2003, 12:54:43 AM, you wrote: K> Thanks, Jonathan, K> For the addtional info K> Any idea if the ponts, chi, and lasers have K> to be correclating to brain representations? K> Also, according to Beck, his blood-electrification K> device will also do soI don't know to how many K> substances but he warns not to eat garlic K> while using his device since it will temporarily K> be able to cross the BBB. Kit Kit, et al. Beck never suggested that blood electrification caused things to pass the blood/brain barrier that wouldn't normally do so. What he DID incidicate was the effect of transfection would occur (which he incorrectly labeled as electroporation). This has NOTHING to do with the BBB. As a side note, transfection varies with the wave shape, and frequency. There is a lot information available out there on the subject, much of which comes from M.I.T. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fake Iraq Documents Probed
Hello Kit, Sunday, March 16, 2003, 1:26:53 AM, you wrote: K> Posted on Fri, Mar. 14, 2003 K> Senator Wants Fake Iraq Documents Probed Honestly, this kind of CRAP is why I left this list over a year ago! Ask Mike! This garbage (political) has NO FREAKING PLACE ON THIS LIST! Now, if everyone would just read up on why they SHOULDN'T be posting in html too! -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>cs and dmso
Hello C, Sunday, March 16, 2003, 4:48:27 AM, you wrote: CC> An experimental study on silver in the nervous system and on aspects of its CC> general cellular toxicity. CC> Rungby J CC> Dan Med Bull 1990 Oct 37:442-9 The above abstract states "high doses of silver", yet fails to define that. High doses?? How much is that? In what form? CC> CC> Toxicology CC> Volume 186, Issues 1-2 , 15 April 2003, Pages 151-157 CC> Accumulation of silver from drinking water into cerebellum and musculus CC> soleus in mice CC> Kai H. O. Pelkonena, Helvi Heinonen-Tanski, , b and Osmo O. P. Hänninena CC> a Department of Physiology, University of Kuopio, POB 1627, FIN 70211, CC> Kuopio, Finland CC> b Department of Environmental Sciences, University of Kuopio, POB 1627, FIN CC> 70211, Kuopio, Finland CC> Received 9 August 2002; revised 11 December 2002; accepted 11 December CC> 2002. CC> Abstract CC> In spite of the general toxicity, ecotoxicity and sparsely known metabolism CC> of silver, WHO allows silver ions (Ag) up to 0.1 mg/l in drinking water CC> disinfection. In order to determine the accumulation and distribution of CC> silver in a mammalian body, mice were given for 1 and 2 weeks drinking water CC> containing a 3-fold lower concentration, namely 0.03 mg/l silver ions as CC> silver nitrate labelled with 110mAg. The above is another perfect example of silver nitrate being utilized, across the board, as a representative of all states of silver. I can perform the same type of science right here. I hereby make the following observation. Potassium ions are LETHAL! I just proved this by performing a study, using potassium ions as provided by potassium cyanide. All test subjects immediately fell over dead, therefore proving without doubt that potassium, in its ionic form, is lethal. See what I mean??? So, in other words, no one can find a shred of evidence that elemental silver is toxic to brain cells. I would think that, if that WERE the case, we would have reams of information on silver miners over the years that would at least give us SOME indication! My whole point was Read carefully, and don't jump to make outlandish statements. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Lipomas
Hello Denise, Monday, March 17, 2003, 10:40:33 PM, you wrote: DE> Sharon... <> Denise: Low level laser therapy has been in use for many decades. A simple search will result in reams of information, a lot of it published in the "respected" medical periodicals and journals. The lasers utilized are low level, and are NOT anywhere near as powerful as a surgical laser. Eye damage is only a concern if one stares into the beam. The beam will penetrate quite well through hair, but will be diffused. Other than staring into the beam, there are no real safety hazards in using a device like this. On the same note, if one cares to delve into the world of LLLT, you will find that there IS a point of the laser being too powerful. There exists a window of power levels which prove beneficial. Something not powerful enough yields no results, and something too powerful yields no results. Luckily for us, the low end extends below the power levels of superbright LED's (standard, superbright Light Emitting Diodes work wonders, as many on this list will attest), and the high end runs up quite a ways, but is far short of thermal tissue damage. While many have shown that the "ideal" wavelength is on the order of 660nm, anywhere in the red spectrum yields results. The "original" laser for this purpose was the helium/neon variety, which emits light at roughly 633 nanometers, and it had favorable results. Personally, I have found that superbright LED's show VERY acceptable results for many conditions, and eliminate the eye hazard. I do have a few that illuminate far better than a 5 milliwatt laser pointer, and I wouldn't look directly into them. Also, for some purposes, it seems that favorable results only manifest if the light is pulsed, as a constant, steady-state seems to result in no effect. Mind you, this is only for some purposes. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Light for Peace [OT]
Hello Jannette, Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 7:37:22 PM, you wrote: JA> I realize that this is really off-topic, but considering the world situation JA> today, I don't think many of you will mind: JA> Blessings and Light, JA> Jannette JA> Subject: Put a light in your window. JA> Dear friends, JA> Please join me in taking a simple action for peace. JA> Together with thousands of folks around the world, I'm putting JA> a light in my window. If enough of us do the same, we can send JA> a strong message of continued opposition to war and continued JA> hope for peace. . Sorry, Jannette, but I am ALL FOR war. In this world, there IS good and evil, no matter how many people choose to ignore it. And, to stand by and let evil run rampant is, in my opinion, the action of a coward. While I realize that I will be chastised by Mike, I really don't care. Since so many people feel like it is their duty to pollute this list with such vile garbage, I might as well kick in my 2 cents. Those who fail to learn from history are DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. Freedom isn't free.. And it's cost can only be paid for in blood. Put your candle in the window and hope that North Korea's insane dictator doesn't get a bug up his ass one day and nuke us, or Japan. And hope that some of the other insane dictators feel merciful on us poor Americans. Be like the ostrich, and go bury your head in the sand, and maybe it will all go away. Meanwhile, back in REALITY where the rest of us live, those of us with some common sense, and some balls, will do something to eliminate the problem. Finally. All I am saying Is give war a chance. Oh, and please refrain from all of the crying about people dying. I have lost relatives in almost every war and military action this country has ever been involved in. And yes, I have family in the military right now (special forces), and yes, they are overseas at this very moment. It is only by a complete miracle that I didn't lose my brother in the Pentagon on September 11. While this list has some real brilliant minds on it, and many people who will gladly help each other out, it is a SHAME that THAT portion of it tends to get buried in all of the tripe that so many feel needs to be posted. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?
Hello ian, Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 9:05:00 PM, you wrote: ihc> Hi: ihc> Contrary to to what you are saying, I have never seen CS stop a respiratory ihc> pneumona "fast", even with correctly produced ECS, even lots of it. It may ihc> help a lot and it may clear up sooner but I think that's the best that can ihc> be hoped for. Heads up Ian: A little FYI: I have observed, on numerous occassions, full-blown double-pneumonia wiped out in less than 12 hours with CS, and CS alone! The following is how I have done it. The basis of it all is that you MUST get the CS IN CONTACT with the nasties that are causing the affliction. 1) Get an ULTRASONIC vaporizer. I have used, with outstanding results, the Vicks model 5100 (made by KAZ). You can see it at http://www.vicks.com/products/more_products.shtml Scroll down to the unit (about 80% of the way down the page). 2) Remove the "demineralization removing" cartidge. 3) Fill base of unit with CS (about a pint). 4) Turn unit on, and breathe slowly and deeply. Do this for 5-10 minutes, and repeat ever hour or so. 5) Some add MSM and DMSO to the CS, in order to carry it through the mucus. If my memory serves me, you saturate the CS with MSM, then add 10% DMSO. WITHOUT using the MSM and/or DMSO, I have seen pneumonia WIPED OUT in rather short order. Oral application of CS for pulmonary problems is indeed "a slow boat to China". Brooks Bradley has reported on, many times, his "airbrush nebulizer". Many on the list have used it with great success. Running it on bottled oxygen seems to give it an extra kick as well. I have found that most any inexpensive ULTRASONIC vaporizer works VERY well, and, from the specifications on the transducers used, the mist is in the 5 micron range, which gets it down into the lungs quite nicely. I have built a "nebulizer" adapter from two 500 milliliter "spring water" bottles which cut down on the air flow, and increase the density of the "fog". Should you wish, I can email a picture to you. I would post it, but I believe the list limit is 40K, and the photos are 46K and 50K. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Am I doing it wrong?
Hello Marshall, Thursday, March 27, 2003, 9:21:30 PM, you wrote: MD> Pretty easy to do with a 15KV neon sign transformer. MD> Marshall To all: Working at voltages of 10,000 volts is very hazardous. Doing so at 15,000 volts is not only needless, it is utterly insane. Fires appear from nowhere, in near zero time. While I, personally, have not had any fires, ask Ole Bob or Frank Key about the subject. Going over 12,000 volts is a no-no unless you are prepared for the consequences. There is, for some reason, a huge difference between 12,000 volts and 15,000 volts, when it comes to starting fires. Luckily, I have only had meltdowns in my high voltage setups. Also, if one is going to experiment in this area, they are well advised to heed the warnings of Ole Bob about nitrogen oxides. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Lead
Hello Janine, Saturday, March 29, 2003, 2:40:51 PM, you wrote: JM> Tony, JM> My Dr. is a little gun shy about lead as we live in an area(North Idaho) JM> where there is a lot of silver mining and lead has been know to be a JM> problem. He has seen a lot of people with lead poisoning. I am considering JM> having my water and cs tested for lead just to make sure. I don't think cs JM> made with .999 pure silver have any more lead than your avg. water. JM> Sincerely, JM> Janine Meunier JM> jani...@adelphia.net JM> -Original Message- JM> From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] JM> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:29 PM JM> To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>>Lead JM> Janine, JM> Could you ask your medical professional to quote some sort of relative JM> figures or quantities . Like drinking water has 'somuch' lead in it and CS JM> made with distilled water has 'so much ' lead in it. Maybe you could ask him JM> for references which you, or we, could follow up. JM> We know how poisonous lead is and mercury is more poisonous. But the medical JM> and dental lot have promoted mercury for dental fillings. So can you believe JM> what they are saying now. JM> sincerely JM> Tony JM> Janine Meunier wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I haven't been here in awhile but still using CS going on 2-3 years. I was >> wondering if anyone has ever had their homemade CS tested for lead JM> content? >> I make my CS with the 3- 9 volt battery method and 2 .999 silver ingots. >> Recently a medical professional said that there is lead in the silver and >> that the levels are too high to be safe. What do you guys have to say? >> Thanks very much. >> >> Sincerely, >> Janine >> Janine, all: Simple math here. Let's assume that ALL of the contaminants in your .999 silver are lead (which they aren't... Actually, .999 silver is nearly always .9995, at least from every source I have personally looked at). YOUR CS: 20 PPM silver... Equals 20 milligrams per liter20X0.001=0.02, or 0.02 milligrams per liter, or 0.02 PPM contaminants. This would be 2 parts per hundred million, or 20 PPB (parts per billion). The maximum contaminant level (or MCL) for lead in drinking water in the United States, from a municipal supply, is 15 PPB (parts per billion). So... We would have a lead level in excess of the MCL for drinking water, but ONLY if the contaminants in your silver were PURE LEAD and nothing else, and ONLY if your CS was 20 PPM in concentration. Now, for a more realistic look. 999 fine silver is allowed to have a total of 0.001 (1/10 of 1 percent, or 1000 PPM) TOTAL impurities. But, the MAXIMUM levels of various impurities is as follows copper: 800 PPM lead: 250 PPM iron: 200 PPM bismuth: 10 PPM So, applying this to our above situation, we find that the maximum lead content we will achieve is 5 PPB lead. This is ONE THIRD the amount allowed in a municipal source of drinking water. Should you decide to get your CS tested for lead content, take the time to do a proper analysis, and also send in a sample of the SAME distilled water that you used to make it with (from the same batch, same container). This will give you a baseline to compare with. Without this baseline, you will NEVER determine if it is the silver which is contaminated, or the distilled water! All of this comes together to say, once again, that the "medical professional" you consulted with doesn't have a clue as to what they are talking about. Unfortunately, this is not uncommon. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Pure silver wire source
Hello Dan, Saturday, March 29, 2003, 1:20:44 PM, you wrote: D> I have some silver wire from a jeweler. He calls it .999. I don't know how D> honest he is. What is a good source for pure silver wire? Is there a great D> hazard using .999 wire from a jeweler? Is . better just to be sure? D> Also how pure is the Canadian Silver Maple Leaf? I have one and am tempted D> to pound it into electrodes. But it seems pretty hard and not malleable. D> One site says: D> Canadian Maple Leaf Silver D> 1 oz. of pure silver (.) vs. (.999). D> Thanks D> Dan The Canadian Mint is one of the few sources of the purest silver and gold onthe planet. The Maple Leaf is fine, and is truly . fine as well. For a source of wire, most people go to http://www.ccsilver.com and have had good experiences in dealing with them. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Tea Tree Oil
Hello Maja, Wednesday, April 2, 2003, 7:04:57 PM, you wrote: MH> On the other hand CS is kind of antibiotic and it's MH> not recommended for Cystic Fibrosis people for more MH> than 15 days, because the bugs develop resistency to MH> it. -- Please state the source for your above statement. As I currently understand, there is but ONE species of bacteria that thrives in silver-rich soil. And, if removed from the silver-rich soil and allowed to multiply, it loses its 'silver resistance' in but ONE generation, ie, if you were to place it back onto the silver-rich soil after multiplying ONCE, it would be killed. To be sure that there is no confusion, I am saying that the above statement about germs developing some sort of 'resistance' to silver is scientifically unfounded, and purely false. As always, I put forth the challenge to be proven wrong. Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>purest ever cont'd. experiment
Hello INGRID, Monday, April 7, 2003, 12:14:58 AM, you wrote: <> First off, in order to make a "perfect colloid", you need to define the parameters of a "perfect colloid". Second, you can put a chunk of silver into water and let it sit for a hundred years, and you will still have a chunk of silver in water. The silver will not dissolve into the water. Silver is a noble metal. If, by some chance, something in the immediate surroundings put an electromotive force through the silver, and the silver was the anode, THEN something would happen. Yes, if you burn hydrogen in a pure oxygen environment, you will most certainly make water. And you will do so with quite an explosive force as well. Why go to all of the trouble? Distilled water is quite adequate. If, for some reason, you feel it isn't, you can always find a source of 18 megohm laboratory grade water. It IS pure water. There IS NO conversion of alternating current (AC) to direct current (DC). It would take a basic electronics course to cover this with you. To make it fairly simple, voltage and resistance determine current. To change the current flow, you need only alter voltage or resistance. Which brings us to our next point. Using water with ANY ions in it will lower its resistance, which will in turn, increase the current flowing through it at a given voltage. Besides, just what are those ions? Is there nitrate or nitrite present, which will give you the HIGHLY UNDESIRABLE compound of silver nitrate? Is part of it chlorine, which will form silver chloride? This is but ONE of the reasons it is imperative to use DISTILLED water. Besides, once you start your CS generator, you are immediately putting silver ions into the water. Your "CS" will be, in actuality, MOSTLY silver ions dissolved in water. While your quest for the "perfect colloidal silver" is noble, rest assured that there are many on this list who have devoted years of their life, thousands of dollars (or even many hundreds of thousands of dollars), and gallons of perspiration doing the same. Many of these people have a multitude of degrees in the sciences to boot. And, after all of this money, time, and effort,we still can't even fully agree on a few basic points, such as. How do you accurately measure particle size? How do you determine ionic or particulate content? Which is more desirable, ions or particles? How small can you make a particle in a colloid and still have it remain in a stable state, such as for long term storage? Many people will give you an answer to the above questions, and the answers will be as diverse and numerous as the people answering them. Some things we CAN agree on, though. Such as, even the most horribly made CS is effective to some degree. No matter if it has particles large enough to be red (colloidal brickbats), or is mostly ionic, colorless and clear. I guess my best advice is to sit back, read the traffic on this list for a while, and ask questions. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS resistency
TM> DMSO may overcome these barriers. I have had excellent success using very TM> small amounts of DMSO. In the order of a drop per cup of CS, or CS and H2O2. TM> The ghastly smell is replaced with delightful woody aromas which change TM> constantly. TM> Tony Egads! I just put 4 drops of DMSO into 3 or 4 ounces of CS for use as a mouthwash. Being my first experience with it, I was amazed at the obnoxious odor coming from the DMSO bottle. I may have to use less in the future, as it is imparting a slight, SLIGHT taste to the CS. Reminds me of what it must be like chewing on a bicycle innertube. I was going to ask if it was supposed to smell so "powerful" straight from the bottle, but I guess that is its nature. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT: Was Bone Spurs, now "Thinking Nothing"
Hello Joanne, Leo, etc., The ability to "think nothing" is referred to as "empty the mind" in T'ai Chi. I am NOT speaking of the "T'ai Chi" that is commonly taught to people as a physical exercise. I speak of the true T'ai Chi. It is difficult to find instruction in the true art (the "true art" in my books is a form directly traceable to either the Chen, Yang, or Wu families). One can reach a point of being able to empty the mind at will. It is when one achieves this state that the art goes from one of external (physical body movement), to one of internal (spiritual energy manifesting itself in the physical world). Once this point is reached, major "breakthroughs" are possible. Of course, I really don't expect anyone to believe all of this. Unless one has seen a true master in action, such as Cheng Man-Ch'ing (who, unfortunately passed away decades ago), or Liang, Tsung-Tsai (T. T. Liang, who, I believe, is still alive), then it all sounds quite impossible. The technique of doing this is not one of force, ie "making" it happen. It is, rather, the ability to "allow" it to happen. When the state is reached, it is quite invigorating. As Joanne put it, "being at total peace with all around me". I have also heard it described as "being one with the universe". Incidentally, T'ai Chi masters have the ability to heal (some witnesses to this describe it as nothing short of incredible). They also have the ability to maim or kill. The technique uses the same vessels, meridians, and points that accupunture uses. When used in combat, the technique is called "Cavity Press". I personally find that a warm bath, in a dimly lit room, combined with proper breathing technique, is very conducive to emptying the mind. Anyhow, this has NOTHING to do with colloidal silver! So, any further discussion should probably be taken off-list. -- Best regards, Solar mailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Beck Pulser: WARNING!
Hello list, A word to the wise. The "Beck Pulser" is not similar, in function or form, to the Hulda Clark "zapper". To say that it "zaps parasites in the blood" is a major oversimplification of how the device works. Please be aware that there are SERIOUS concerns when using a Beck type device. People HAVE BEEN KILLED using these. This is NOT to say that the protocol isn't effective. It is very effective. But, unless one understands what they are doing, they shouldn't do it. The threat is NOT from electrocution, but from an effect called electroporation, whereby ANY substance in the bloodstream has its effects multiplied by 10-20 times. Common substances that are not toxic at a normal dose can become so with the elevated effects. Bob Beck goes into this in the literature, and on the video tape, available from Sota Instruments. I strongly urge anyone considering this to get the facts. Sota Instruments has quality paperwork on the protocol. It costs $14.00 (at least the last time I ordered one), and is listed under the name of "The Beck Protocol". It includes all of the research related to the protocol, including schematics, parts lists, and parts suppliers. Also, please note that it is a PROTOCOL, and involves more than just the pulser unit. To not follow the entire protocol to the letter is to invite failure. I STRONGLY believe that any "failures" with this protocol can be directly traced to not following it to the letter, especially with electrode placement. Sota instuments can be found at http://www.sotainstruments.com I am not affiliated with Sota in any way, shape, or form, other than being a very satisfied customer. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Re[2]: CS>Beck Pulser: WARNING!
Hello George, Thursday, July 12, 2001, 8:41:07 PM, you wrote: GM> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:25:52 -0400, Solar wrote: GM> [snip] =>>People HAVE BEEN KILLED using these. GM> If you are going to make statements such as this you need to supply GM> a cite or two. Otherwise you are just spreading FUD (Fear, GM> Uncertainty, Deceit). =>>I strongly urge anyone considering this to get the facts. GM> Good idea. When (if) you do please share them... GM> Regards, GM> George Martin GM> -- GM> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. GM> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: GM> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com GM> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. GM> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com GM> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html GM> List maintainer: Mike Devour George: The terms are Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Second, the fact that people have been killed is presented by none other than Dr. Robert Beck himself. If you want to see it for yourself, just order the videotape of his presentation at the Granada Forum. I think it is still available from Sota. I believe that, since he is the originator of the protocol itself, we can take his word for it, don't you think? -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
CS>Re[2]: CS>Colloidal gold
Hello Trem, Saturday, July 21, 2001, 6:05:08 PM, you wrote: T> I'll ask anyone again. Didn't get any response the first time around. T> Frank or anyone, T> Can you tell me what is meant by the "Aqueous dispersion of colloidal metallic gold was prepared by a modification of the citrate reduction method of Frens." as mentioned in the colloidal gold/IQ T> thread discussed a week or so ago regarding this URL? http://www.belmarpharmacy.com/library/reference3.html The method was developed by Frens. It is as follows. To 50 mL of boiling tetrachloroauric acid, in a 0.01% solution, is added 0.5 mL of a 1% solution of trisodium citrate. The color changes from gray initially, to lavender, then to red. The resultand CG has a particle size of 41 nanometers. The whole rection takes about 5 minutes. Colloidal metals can be made by chemical reaction, as above. But, I have no idea how one would remove the particles from the liquid, which I would think would still have trace chemicals in it. Fractional crystallization, which is the standard technique for compounds in a solvent, certainly would be of no use. I have a feeling that the company making the CG pills is using the above method, straining the particles, then adding them to fillers/binders to make a tablet. Of course I could be wrong on that one. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Help with Dosage
Hello DeadTiredCaregiver, Wednesday, July 25, 2001, 2:14:55 PM, you wrote: D> I need help with the amount of CS to give to a five pound cat I took in D> after she came to my D> door, sick. Mary Jo: In the past, my adopted cat (actually belongs to the neighbor, but he sort of gave up on the thing ever coming home a few years ago since it stays here constantly) has had various injuries. One was a fairly good sized, deep claw mark, just above his one eye. When I first saw this, his eye was swollen, almost completely shut. I figured it would be swollen all the way shut in short order. I brought him into the house, and put down a clean bowl, filled with ~15 PPM (best guess) colloidal silver. This was all he was allowed to have for 2 days or ss (no water at all). Within an hour, his eye was back to normal. I was stunned, to say the least. Many others on the list have written about similar experiences as well, so I personally believe it is safe, and probably a good idea, to replace the cat's water with straight CS. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Where to find 50 ppm......
Hello DeadTiredCaregiver, Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 12:39:38 PM, you wrote: D> The bottle says: D> True Electro-Colloidal Process D> Pure Silver (50ppm) D> Advanced Liquid Technology D> made by Innovative Natural Products, Escondido, CA D> Low Potency: 50 ppm D> Other Ingredients: Water D> 1-800-893-7467 M-F 9-4 PST D> www.inovnatprod.com I looked at their website, and they make many claims. That it is an electro-colloidal process, that they can make it up to 1100 PPM, and that the particle size is only 0.001 micron. I find that extraordinarily hard to believe. I would LOVE to see Frank Key do an analysis of their products and add them to his "Commercial Products" report page. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Progressive subdivision of a cube
Hello Tai-Pan, Sunday, August 19, 2001, 3:11:58 PM, you wrote: TP> We started with a cube one centimeter square and kept dividing TP> it down to molecule size cubes. Recall that a centimeter is just a little TP> under a forth of an inch. A centimeter is exactly 0.393701 of an inch, which is FAR GREATER that a fourth of an inch (0.250). There are 2.54 centimeters to an inch. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria?
Hello kukurippa, Monday, August 20, 2001, 8:31:06 PM, you wrote: k_> Hi y'all, k_> I found this of interest... it's about the emergence of silver-resitant k_> bacteria. Perhaps those of you with a scientific background can be k_> critical... k_> http://www.healthsci.tufts.edu/apua/Newsletter/17_3a.html This is an old article. It has been hashed and rehashed. Look in the archives. I believe it was earlier this year. Read the article carefully, and what it states is basically anything from a pharmaceutical company is just fine, and anything that isn't is very bad. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ago Ag+
Hello kukurippa, Tuesday, August 21, 2001, 3:26:48 AM, you wrote: k_> Here I go again with the Silverlon website... On their product comparison k_> site, they say this: k_> "The silver released from the Silverlon® surface is 100% in the ionic (Ag+1) k_> with no silver released in the metallic nanocrystaline form." I'm not sure why you keep referring to the Silverlon website. What it describes is the product, Silverlon, which is a synthetic bandage that has a coating of silver. No one on this list denies the germicidal activity of ionic silver. Nor does anyone deny the germicidal activity of elemental silver. The information contained on the Silverlon website is great if you want to know how the Silverlon product works. But, it is not valid to use that information, which is about one specific product, as a blanket explaination for all silver-containing products. Even the regrowth of a severed finger may be, or may not be, anything special. In the book "The Body Electric", Dr. Becker speaks of the fact that, a finger severed to the first joint WILL grow back, provided 2 conditions are met. First, that the end of the finger is bandaged, and NOT sew shut. Second, that the person is 11 years old, or younger. So, the finger regeneration may or may not be a spectacular event, depending on the age of the patient. Just my proverbial $0.02 -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>The Following from Quackwatch May be of Interest
Hello Holmes, Tuesday, August 21, 2001, 4:10:55 PM, you wrote: JOH> I can't remember the details, but there was a political upheaval of some JOH> sort in Amsterdam, perhaps in the 1500s. To start things off, they hung all JOH> of the lawyers. JOH> James-Osbourne: Holmes Sounds like a damn good start to me, James! -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Help with level 4 glioblastoma
Hello Stephen, Monday, August 27, 2001, 11:49:54 PM, you wrote: SH> Hello Marshall, It is now surfacing that mad cow is not transmissable to SH> humans from the beef. Mad cow is coming from organophosphates used to treat SH> the animals for flies etc. This is according to articles in the Acres USA SH> paper. Regards, h...@mcmo.net SH> Stephen K. Hessler, N.M.D. SH> HC 1 Box 175 SH> Centerville, MO 63633 SH> 573-924-2254 (usually home after 8 pm) I, for one, find this impossible to believe, as it does not explain the deaths of 80+ europeans from CJD, or the death of the man in Colorado who died of CJD which was traced to eating a wild deer that he had harvested himself. It also fails to explain the fact that CJD IS transmitted from surgical instruments shared between patients in brain surguries, NO MATTER WHAT METHOD is used to sterilize them in between. Just my $0.02! -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Agryria AGAIN??
Hello List, For the record, argyria is a dead horse as far as colloidal silver is concerned. The FACT of the matter is that, the US FDA has NOT ONE report of argyria from electrically generated colloidal silver. EVER! As proof, I offer the following web page, which is a reproduction of a Freedom Of Information Act request to the FDA, and their reply. With the FDA's recent rampage against colloidal silver, you can bet your ass that if they had even ONE report, they would have attempted to make a mountain from a mole hill. Please note that I have nothing to do with the website, its author, or any products they sell. http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_safety_information.htm -- Best regards, Solar mailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Viruses/worms/trojans on list.
Hello List, As everyone should know, an email sent to the list by Bill Missett with the subject of "Unidentified Subject", is yet again another virus/trojan/worm sent to the list. Just for everyone's information, any email you ever get warning of a virus that has been "classified by Microsoft", is either a hoax, or a virus/trojan/worm itself (as is the case with Bill's message). Both Microsoft, and Intel, never classify ANY virus, as they are not in the antivirus business. Please let me share with everyone what steps I feel are appropriate to prevent the proliferation of these. 1) Everyone should have, and be running, a copy of Zonealarm. They offer a FREE version, which works unbelieveably well! This software IS IMPERATIVE if you have a broadband, always on connection, such as DSL, or a cable modem. It is fully documented, automatically notifies you of any updates, and will protect you from probes/netbios session and name attempts/email trojans, worms, and viruses. You WILL need to tell the software which programs are allowed to access the internet, but have the option of telling it once, and letting it remember. Also, you will get to see just how many probes and connection attempts are made on your machine, which will probably suprise most people. * NOTE * If you go reporting every probe and access attempt to your ISP, you will be labelled "the boy who cried wolf". These things happen constantly. Also, Zonealarm will "quarantine" suspicious email attachments, mark them with a big "ZA" icon, and warn you if you attempt to open them. You are well advised to delete any attachments that Zonealarm marks, unless you KNOW what the attachment is, who sent it, and are EXPECTING to receive it. Zonealarm is available for FREE from. http://www.zonelabs.com Scroll to the bottom of the above page for the link to the free version. 2) Microsoft's Outlook, and Outlook Express, are the most vulnerable email clients out there. By default, they will execute macros and Visual Basic scripts. This is what causes all of the trouble. I know that most people who use any of the various Outlook products will probably not change their email client, which is why I recommend Zonealarm. For those who want a more secure email client, there are many of them out there. A few that come to mind are Eudora, and The Bat. While it may take a while to learn how to use any of these clients, they are all very powerful, and will generally protect you from all of the little "email nasties" out there. Another little note. While the hoax emails may seem harmless enough, in reality, they are more than they first appear. These are usually started by scumbag email "mass marketers", otherwise known as spammers. Believe it or not, they use software to grab email addresses as it passes across one of their email servers. This is called "address grepping" software. While it may appear as no big deal, these rats then add your email address to their database, and then sell it to other "mass email advertisers". They are the scourge of the internet, and the lowest form of scum on the planet. Some typical examples of their handiwork are things like "If you send this email to 10 friends, "company X" will mail you a coupon for $20.00 off your next purchase". "Email this to all of your friends! Movie/book "X" is coming out, and we need to put a stop to it!" You should get the general idea. ANYTHING that has you add your email address to a list of them is, for certain, the bottom feeders harvesting valid email addresses again. I really didn't mean to go on a long diatribe, but if this information helps even one person, I believe it is worth it. -- Best regards, Solar mailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PEACE Please
Hello Tony, Tuesday, September 11, 2001, 2:27:21 PM, you wrote: TM> Deeply shocked. Been watching CNN. Praying for world Peace. TM> PEACE PEACE PEACE TM> Tony No offense, Tony, and anyone else, but peace will only come after the eradication of spineless terrorists and the nations that harbor them. While I am no warmongerer, I am not a pacifist either. If ever there was a time to bring the full brunt of the American military down on someone, that time is now. I am all for the use of military force, and any means necessary, to permanently put an end to states that harbor known terrorists. Since we are always called "imperialist Americans", we might as well play the role and make these countries territories of the US, no matter WHAT the rest of the world thinks. When the lion wants to get a good nights sleep, he goes and kills the patriarch of the hyena. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>peace is within each of us
mily in many wars, you have no idea how offensive your words are. RH> -- RH> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. RH> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: RH> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com RH> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. RH> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com RH> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html RH> List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
CS>Re[2]: CS>peace is within each of us
This commentary was meant as a personal email, but because my email client replies to the "reply-to" field, it made it on list. My apologies. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Mesosilver
Hello Stephen, Sunday, September 16, 2001, 5:31:24 PM, you wrote: SQ> Dear Listmembers, SQ> After several references in past postings by the manufacturer of the subject SQ> product concerning its quality and effectiveness, and now two most SQ> recent quotes [below] the past day or so, the truth of the matter begs to be SQ> shown, since his comments are not only self-serving but, more important, SQ> misleading. SNIP SQ> The presumption offered by this manufacturer was that the "smaller" the SQ> particles the greater its bactericidal effectiveness. This assumption -- SQ> made without any documented evidence -- can only be described as spurious SQ> science! SQ> Go to www.natural-immunogenics.com for the pictorial truth and comment. SQ> You'll find the NEWS link on the home page, up on the left. Funny thing. I went to your website, and you also seem to assert that the most desirable property of colloidal silver is having a small particle size. Also, could you please explain the word "energia"? My Webster's has no such word. Nor does http://www.dictionary.com, which leaves me wondering if it is pseudo-science or just a marketing term. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Cesium Chloride
Hello Ivan, Monday, September 17, 2001, 8:13:17 AM, you wrote: IA> Hi folks, IA> Any one had any experience with Cesium Chloride as a cancer supplement? IA> http://seasilver.threadnet.com/Preventorium/cesium.htm IA> Thanks IA> Ivan. IA> -- IA> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. IA> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: IA> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com IA> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. IA> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com IA> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html IA> List maintainer: Mike Devour Ivan: You may want to take a look here. http://www.cancer-coverup.com/ -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
Re: CS>AC or dc, more than one kind of each
me, seeing is believing. Also note that I DO plan on testing some CS made by the HVAC ARC process with various volunteers this winter. But unless it proves itself superior to my current process, I personally will use what I have been for years. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>circuit diagrams
Hello Damian, Saturday, September 22, 2001, 4:55:08 AM, you wrote: D> This is a circuit that i built. I believe the capacitors might be the wrong D> size cause when i hooked it up the batteries went flat immediately and D> there was silver floating on the top. I think its the cap size stated in D> mfd which could micro or milli. farads. If anyone has a better circuit i D> would appreciate a URL or copy D> take care D> damian D> http://www.bioelectrifier.com/csg.htm D> At 01:55 PM 21/09/2001 +0200, you wrote: >>Can anyone tell me where I can obtain circuit diagrams for more advanced, >>current-controlled colloidal silver generators? >> >>Joseph. D> -- D> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. D> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: D> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com D> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. D> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com D> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html D> List maintainer: Mike Devour Damian: If you are using batteries to power that circuit, you would not use the capacitors. Nor the diodes, or transformer. The transformer is to step the voltage down, the diodes to rectify it to pulsed DC, and the capacitors to smooth the pulsed DC into a constant DC voltage. You can drop the 3.3K 1 watt resistor as well, as it looks like it is being used as a bleeddown. Personally, I would remove the LED as well, as it is going to be a constant voltage drop, and thus will prevent the output from ever reaching its maximum voltage. To simplify the design, I would use an LM317T instead of the 7805. That, along with one resistor, is all that is needed to make a constant-current supply. If the resistor is in series with, or replaced by, a potentiometer, you would be able to easily adjust the current delivered. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
Re: CS>Fwd: [healthfraud] Computer Viruses
Hello ROGALTMAN, Wednesday, October 03, 2001, 4:00:43 PM, you wrote: Rac> List: Anyone know if this is true? Roger Rac> In a message dated 10/3/2001 3:59:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rac> mike...@aol.com writes: >> Subj:[healthfraud] Computer Viruses >> Date:10/3/2001 3:59:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time >> From:mike...@aol.com >> To:truelot...@hotmail.com, jaly...@myexcel.com, >> healthfr...@lists.quackwatch.com >> >> >> >> >> Hello List, >> >> My company has been plagued by computer viruses for four weeks now. >> >> Some computer pros came in today to fix it. They said you can now get a >> virus by simply browsing the Internet. >> >> Mcihael >> Yes, Roger, it actually IS true. Although many may find it hard to believe! You will find it described in detail at. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Silver Patendet
Hello Marshall, Tuesday, October 09, 2001, 12:50:51 PM, you wrote: MD> goran wrote: >> Some time passed, but I did found out the CS that can befound >> athttp://www.libertyconnection.netIS patented.The patend number is: >> 6214299 MD> The colloidal silver is not patented. I just looked at the patent. MD> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6214299'.WKU.&OS=PN/6214299&RS=PN/6214299 MD> They patented the idea of putting a stiring mechanism in the container. You forgot to mention that they RIPPED OFF Bruce Marx's method for making HVAC CS. At least they DO credit him when they desribe the "prior art". -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Mail programs, was, Re: CS>Re: OT, quake (#913)
Hello Tai-Pan, Saturday, October 13, 2001, 5:36:54 PM, you wrote: TP> Hi jr,jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: TP> --snip--Re mail programs, HTML allows virus contamination; plain text does not. TP> jr TP> Another "urban legend" TP> Viruses happen because of the way some "programs are written", TP> the language of a program has nothing to do with it. TP> Plain text, HTML, any language, can have viruses written using TP> them. Even in DOS days we had viruses. In principle, you are right Bob. But, the fact of the matter is that when written in plain text, it is NOT executed. HTML has the ability to cause the client to call an embedded script, which can be one of a destructive nature. I have received many, many hostile scripts embedded into an HTML email. But, because my mail client is set to only read plain text, no harm was ever done. Nor can it be. Besides, plain text is not a language. While you can program in plain text, it must either be compiled, or sent to an interpreter. Besides, all of those fancy HTML emails are a total waste of time and bandwidth on a listserver. As has been presented here before, a lot of the time they don't even come out looking like they are supposed to, ie dark text on a dark background. It really is best if everyone posts to the list in plain text. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Re Nebulizer
Hello Nina, Sunday, October 14, 2001, 7:22:11 AM, you wrote: >>>You are correct, the Omron nebulizer does not require oxygen, it has a NS> built in air pump that will put out 24 psi. >>$54.95 is indeed a great buy for a nebulizer. NS> Unfortunately, the Omron doesn't work with a face mask (I was told this by NS> the manufacturer), so I'll have to get the higher-priced DeVilbiss NS> Pulmo-Aide. I found it online for $94.00 at Noah's Ark Home Care. NS> Nina Nina: The ONLY reason one would use a face mask is if one is treating an infant or animal which cannot control its breathing, ie through the mouth only. To use a mask is detrimental to the nebulizing process. ANY of the manufacturers out there will tell you this fact. Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Canadian coins for silver
Hello Carol, Tuesday, October 16, 2001, 12:07:51 PM, you wrote: C> I checked into this and the Canadian coins were only .8? pure from what they C> told me at the coin shop but you can get silver ingets(bars) 1oz. each that C> are .999 silver at coin shops for about $5.75 each. Carol We are not talking Canadian currency. The Maple Leaf coins are known worldwide for their purity. To have an "edge" in the collectors market, each country has to offer something that they feel is superior to everything else out there. Canada offers the highest metal purity, and all of the Silver Maple Leafs are stamped . fine. They are probably purer than that. Some specialty gold coins come in purities up to .9 fine. Canada refines their metals right at the mint. The Discovery Channel had an exceptional piece on the Royal Canadian Mint earlier this year that went into great detail. The Maple Leaf series is considered a "bullion coin". They do mint other coins in sterling silver as well. Have a look at... http://www.mint.ca/en/business_services/bullion.htm -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
Hello Terry, Thursday, October 18, 2001, 5:26:50 PM, you wrote: TC> Jim Meissner said: TC> "That was my question to you! Does the pulsing TC> provide some value? My guess would be that if you add TC> a capacitor it will raise the voltage and probably TC> reduce the brewing time?" TC> Terry responds: TC> I contacted the shop where I got my rectifier, he TC> asked some questions about the particulars of my TC> rectifier, and told me it was a full-wave rectifier, TC> but he was mystified how it could give me 100VDC. I TC> hooked it up to my voltmeter (which reads it as 120VAC TC> before the rectifier) and it still reads 100VDC all by TC> itself. TC> Mystifying, eh? Not mystifying at all, Terry. If it reads 120 Volts AC before the rectifier, you have... 120*1.414=169.68 or 170 volts. This is the peak-to-peak voltage. The reason your meter reads it as 100 volts is because it is DC that is pulsed at 120 Hertz. Place a suitable capacitor across the DC output, and your meter will then read the DC voltage. Or, hook it up to an oscilliscope. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Stainless Steel
Hello Robb, Friday, October 19, 2001, 2:12:53 PM, you wrote: RA> I am just now doing my own tests on how this system will work for me. I'm RA> using a 2 quart stainless measuring container with a stainless handle. I'm RA> using a cool whip plastic lid with a small hole in the center for my silver. RA> The positive lead is connected to the container and the negative to the RA> silver. I'm using 16 volts @ 2amps. I just finished one hour and then RA> tested my CS. It is Approximately 2ppm at this point with no floaters or RA> oxidation visible. I just started my second hour. Robb I HOPE that was a typgraphical error, Robb! You should have the NEGATIVE connected to the stainless container, and the POSITIVE connected to the silver electrode. Otherwise, you are putting iron, chromium, and who knows what else into the water. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Full? Sine? Half?
Hello M., Monday, October 22, 2001, 7:06:11 AM, you wrote: >> If you replace "average" with RMS in what you wrote it would all be >> correct. However average and RMS are NOT the same thing. ... >> The average is approximately .90 times the RMS value for a sine wave. >> >> See http://www.traceengineering.com/technical/tech_notes/tn2.html for >> more information on this relationship. MGD> Thank you. I appreciate the connection. Now, how does one explain the MGD> concept of RMS to a non-technical person other than as a fancy MGD> approximation of "average of the voltage available to do work", which MGD> is what I was intending in my message? MGD> Be well, MGD> Mike D. MGD> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] MGD> [mdev...@eskimo.com] MGD> [Speaking only for myself... ] Mike: An easy way to explain it is as follows. RMS AC voltage is the equivilant to the DC voltage it would take to heat the same purely resistive, non-reactive element, to the same temperature. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: PLEASE NOTICE: MAG. PULSER INFO
Hello brooks, Tuesday, October 30, 2001, 6:45:08 PM, you wrote: bb> - Original Message - bb> From: brooks bradley bb> To: Silver-list@eskimo.com bb> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:38 PM bb> Subject: PLEASE NOTICE: MAG. PULSER INFO bb> Dear list members. I keep getting an enormous number of inquiries about the progress of my post. Please note that I made the post late last night bb> (around 2:00 A.M.). If you will search your mail I believe you will find it. bb> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Brooks and list: Anyone building one of these devices may be interested in the following.. All Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com Page 66 of their current catalog lists the following. PHOTOFLASH rated capacitors. These are rated for photoflas use, and will withstand that abuse far longer than your typical electrolytic! 160 microfarad 360 volt --- $1.00 each 200 microfarad 360 volt --- $1.25 each 410 microfarad 300 volt --- $2.00 each 600 microfarad 330 volt --- $2.50 each I personally use the 600 microfarad, 330 volt. The prices above are for 1 unit. They offer discounts in lots of 10 units. Also, one may want to change out the flashtube. Using the stock unit (I believe it is rated at 4 watt/seconds) will result in iits demise before too long. Mouser Electronics http://www.mouser.com Page 108 of their current catalog lists an array of flashtubes. I have had good luck using stock number 36FT106, which is rated at 60 watt/seconds, and 10,000 flashes. Also, you may want to change any resistors in the charging circuit. I wouldn't change their resistance value, but rather their power rating (wattage) so that they don't burn up. Also, if you don't want to wind your own coil, you can order one. You can order an AMS brand air-core crossover coil from MCM Electronics. http://www.mcmelectronics.com You may not find it listed, but if you call them they still have them. 1-800-543-4330 is the current number I have for them (check their website to be sure). The catalog number is #50-940. It is wound with 16 gauge wire, has a resistance of 0.58 ohms, and an inductance of 2.5 mH. It measures 2-7/8 inches in diameter, and costs $10.65 the last time I ordered a few. I have read that you want to pule with the NORTH side of the coil. Also, a good, high-surge-current diode reverse biased across the capacitor will limit "ringing", and increase capacitor life. Just my 2 cents, of course. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Fw: PLEASE NOTICE: MAG. PULSER INFO
List, Anyone experimenting with such a setup should note that it is NOT ISOLATED from the main electrical service that you plug it in to. This is a hazard. Be CERTAIN to fully insulate all connections, especially the connections made to the coil. For what may be an easier, and certainly a bit safer (a BIT safer, because we are talking 330-360 volts here) project, one may want to check out the "strobe kit" that is offered by Radio Shack. It can be found at.. http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=990%2D0074 It is only $11.95, you can order it online, and it is powered by 6-12 volts DC. This will provide isolation from the mains. Whatever you do, BE CAREFUL!! -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>References
Hello Marshall, list, Saturday, November 03, 2001, 12:13:18 PM, you wrote: MD> Actually there are some bacteria found around silver mines that are tolerant to MD> silver. Of course they have been in a silver rich areas for millions of MD> years. But I am not aware of any silver tolerant bacteria which is pathogenic. MD> Marshall Correct. Actually, I read that it was found in silver-rich earth. But, the most interesting thing was that, if the bacteria was removed from the silver-rich earth for a short time, and allowed to reproduce, that it no longer had its resistance. In other words, it would be killed when reintroduced to the silver-rich soil. I can't remember where I read it, so I can't cite the source. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Nebulizer Vs inhaler
Hello Arthur, Saturday, November 10, 2001, 10:00:55 PM, you wrote: AR> People have asked me several times; "why wouldn't an inhaler work to AR> deliver CS as well as a nebulizer?" AR> Anyone have an opinion? By "inhaler", do you mean one of those small, pressurized, pocket sized things that they use to deliver prescription drugs in? If so, I'll tell you why it is a BAD idea. First off, the drugs delivered by that method are, contrary to wide belief, a dry solid, and not a liquid. The liquid one hears when you shake one of those things is the refigerant inside that they use for a propellant. The refrigerant quickly flashes into a gas, and expands, which carries the microfine crystalline drug along with it. Which leads to the second reason why they are a bad idea. The refrigerant. When they used R-12, the stuff wasn't so bad. But, now they have new "ozone friendly" refrigerants that they use. The production of these "new" refrigerants does more damage to the environment than you can even imagine. Not to mention the fact that R-134a, the new refigerant of choice to replace R-12, causes testicular tumors in lab animals. Or the fact that it FAILED the inhalation toxicity testing conducted at Wright-Patterson Air Force base. Aside from all of this, the "inhaler" doesn't atomize, or nebulize, the stuff leaving the can. In order to get a liquid into the lungs, you will need to have a particle size of at most 8 microns. Anything larger will stick in the throat and larynx. Ideally, the particle size should be 5 microns or less to reach the air sacs. Otherwise, a lot of it is deposited along the bronchial tubes. And with a mist this fine, it does take a while to actually nebulize say 5 milliliters. Of course, none of this even begins to address the equipment one would need to charge and pressurize the "inhaler". Or the strange reactions that would take place inside of an aluminum vessel, charged with CS, and pressurized with a hydroflourocarbon. And no, you can't just pressurize one with air. If you did, you MIGHT get one shot out of it before the pressure had fallen to an unusable level. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Making 1st CS - using ppm calculator
Hello natural, Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 7:41:19 PM, you wrote: njc> Somewhere I read that adding a few grains of dead sea salt to the very njc> first batch was used to get the reaction going, then later you could use njc> a bit of the CS to "seed" it. I couldn' t find my dead sea salt, so I njc> used a few grains of KCl instead, I used KCl over table salt so I njc> wouldn't have any anti-caking additives or iodine. (Seemed best at the njc> time!) I drank an ounce, and my husband did too! I thought he was under njc> the impressions that it was just another one of my mad scientist njc> experiments, but he's evidently been convinced as well about it's good njc> use by what I've read to him so far. It was very metalic-y tasting, is njc> this due to the silver chloride formed or is all CS like that? njc> Next batch I'll not use the KCl. njc> I'm still wanting to try to use it in my ultrasonic humidifier - Does njc> anyone know if this may not be good because of the silver chloride? It's not good because you made a batch of garbage. Did you not see Ole Bob's reply to your earlier post? If it is milky after just a few minutes, it is junk. Are you using tap water to make this in? And then adding potassium chloride? Start with PURE distilled water. Even then, some brands are worthless. You should see darn near NOTHING happening for the first 10 minutes. I wouldn't even put that garbage into an ultrasonic humidifier, let alone breathe it in. I wouldn't even drink it, and probably wouldn't even water a plant with it, from the description you give. Slow down, reread everything, and make sure you fully understand before you begin. No wonder Bob is sooo grumpy. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Robey Mark 4 generator/test results
Hello Connie, Please note that Ole Bob's testing using a photospectrometer only tests to determine the ionic portion. Additonal testing on these samples to show the total silver would give a more complete picture. Saturday, December 01, 2001, 6:05:00 PM, you wrote: C> I requested Ole Bob test samples from the Robey Mark IV generator a friend C> uses. C> I believe this gives me the right to post his testing results. C> The addy for this generator boasts 20-80 ppm in 10 minutes, my friend says C> it does have an automatic shut off. C> Sample labeled 80 PPM; Conductivity = 18 uS/cc; pH = 6.41; Strong T.E.; C> Ag = 12.98 PPM; crystal clear. C> Sample labeled 60 PPM; Conductivity = 15 uS/cc; pH = 6.27; Strong T.E.; C> Ag = 15.4 PPM; crystal clear. C> Sample labeled 40 PPM; Conductivity = 10 uS/cc; pH = 5.70; Strong T.E.; C> Ag = 4.62 PPM; crystal clear. C> Sample labeled 20 PPM; Conductivity = 160 uS/cc; pH = 7.30; Medium T.E.; C> Ag = 0.55 PPM; very slight yellow. C> Sincerely, C> "Ole Bob" -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@dialup.oar.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Email address change.
Hello silver-list, Just for future reference, my email address has changed. -- Best regards, Solar mailto:so...@dialup.oar.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Big ppm
Hello marjie, Tuesday, December 04, 2001, 9:22:18 PM, you wrote: m> Some scoundrels claim their CS is 100-800 PPM. This is rubbish. At such concentrations the particles would agglomerate forming much larger particles. Basic chemistry. m> http://www.generic-co-op.com/silver.htm m> See entire article at the above URL Marjie: Maybe you are not aware, but Dr. Jon Brooks has been exposed as a ripoff artist, among other things. So, the above quote, whether accurate or not, is coming from a bad source. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Cancer Cure
Hello Robb, Wednesday, December 05, 2001, 7:43:43 PM, you wrote: RA> Most of us are very aware of Hulda Clarks findings...this isn't the RA> same.this came from a Chinese doctor...he says wormwood RA> affects cancer cells directly...thats why I was asking if anyone saw RA> itbecause it isn't the same findings that most of us have already RA> seen..Robb Not only that, Robb, but it is a different plant as well. There are many, many "wormwood" plants. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>Ozonated water, FIR fibre
Hello Kevin, Thursday, December 06, 2001, 9:06:11 AM, you wrote: KN> On the matter of FIR - no. Conservation of energy - the first law of thermodynamics - is not sufficient; there is the second law to contend with as well. If any (passive) material could KN> selectively radiate a frequency spectrum different from that of a surrounding environment at the same temperature as the material, one could construct a method of extracting heat defying the KN> second law. This restriction does not apply when the material is held at a different temperature - emissivity of the material then dictates a different spectrum from some other material. This may KN> seem contradictory but it's not - check any good textbook on thermodynamics.I believe it all gets back to the power of advertizing hype - if you believe something works, in a sense it does, KN> regardless of the facts. KN> regards, Kevin Nolan Kevin, The ability of a material to absorb energy at one wavelength and emit it at another is very easy to demonstrate. It is done on a daily basis. Something as simple as a flourescent light works like this. The ultraviolet light emitted by the excited gas is converted to white light by the phospher coating. One can also use a nitrogen laser emitting UV to excite various dyes, which then emit energy at another wavelength. Believe it or not, human bone behaves in this manner. When excited by ultraviolet light, it emits IR radiation. This is covered in the book "The Body Electric", by Dr. Becker. Because I am rearrnaging my entire house right now, I can't cite the pages, or the studies, at this time. As long as the energy conversion doesn't exceed 100%, I can't see where it violates the laws of thermodynamics. I do understand your statements, though, concerning two bodies, at the same temperature, without additional energy being added. In that case, yes, they will emit energy at the same wavelength. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>WAS: RE: a reason to buy 400ppm CS, NOW: Wind Generator.
Hello List, For those interested in building such devices, I HIGHLY suggest you do a search on the Savonius turbine. It works no matter which way the wind is blowing, is much more efficient, is VERY easy to build from scrap, and devleops quite a bit of torque. You can find various applications all over the web, including electric generators, water pumps, etc. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Virii, hoaxes, etc.
Hello silver-list, Once again, well-meaning people are polluting the list with stuff about virii, trojans, worms, etc. Let's go over this once again. 1) The BEST way to protect yourself against email trojans/worms/virii/VB scripts is to NOT use ANY Microsoft product for your email client. Outlook and Outlook Express have many known vulnerabilities, and these are exploited on a daily basis. GET A REAL EMAIL CLIENT. 2) Microsoft and Intel NEVER, EVER, EVER classify a virus. EVER. All of these "mass emailings" that people spread around that state such things are hoaxes. The sole intention of propagating such a hoax is so that email address grepping software, running on email servers owned/operated by bottom-feeding SPAMMERS, can extract more valid email addresses. The people who start these things are the scourge of the internet, and the vilest scum one can imagine. When you, with good intentions, email these out to all of your friends, you are assisting these pieces of garbage. 3) Antivirus software that automatically scans email for the presence of a "virus" can, and does, give many false alarms. One can actually insert certain text into an all-text email that will set off most of the antivirus programs out there. 4) If one is intent upon using Outlook or Outlook Expres as your email client, a very good way to protect yourself is by downloading a FREE program called ZoneAlarm. It will quarantine most suspect email, and prevent you from accidentally launching a suspicious attachment. It is a software firewall program, and I highly urge ANYONE who has a constant connection to the internet (such as xDSL or a cable modem) to install it. It is utterly amazing how many people have open machines that are constantly connected. Not only can all of the contents on your machine be viewed, but it can be changed as well. Add to this the fact that your machine can be used in a DDoS attack (and your ISP will hold YOU responsible for this in most cases), and you will begin to understand the importance of a software firewall. 5) All posts on sujects like this, INCLUDING THIS ONE, are way off-topic, and really shouldn't become "the thread that never dies"! Actually, they probably shouldn't even be "on list". Just a couple good email clients for Windows are Eudora, and The Bat. http://www.eudora.com http://www.ritlabs.com ZoneAlarm can be obtained at http://www.zonelabs.com look around for the FREE version. A GREAT resource for investigating the much-circulated myths is http://www.vmyths.com I covers not only hoaxes and myths, but the hysteria that surrounds them as well. This hysteria is multiplied by various news organizations, such as CNN, who see it as a ratings-grabber. One last thing. Some may have questions, which is good. Please understand that I do NOT have the time to answer them. Look around the net. The answers for computer security are there if you look for them. -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>zappers
Hello Del, Friday, March 23, 2001, 10:43:23 AM, you wrote: DoEC> I have owned a Beck's Silver pulser from Sota Instruments for a couple of DoEC> years. The concept is simple electrolution of all the bloodstream organisms DoEC> at 100 milliamps in vivo, plus you make CS with it. Parts would cost about DoEC> 40 bucks if you were into electronics. Plans are freely given (not by DoEC> Sota...they are into selling their units at about $200). Some say the DoEC> Jaguar one is better and cheaper. Many say that the Clarkes does not do DoEC> quite what it is supposed to even in the organism specific sense where with DoEC> the Becks or Jaguar there,s no need to know the germ(s) name(s). DoEC> Interestingly, prety much right across the board, thereb seems to be a DoEC> pretty constant recommendation to use CS as well.Del DoEC> - Original Message - DoEC> From: "julie m" DoEC> To: DoEC> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:28 AM Subject: Re: CS>>zappers >> i intend to buy a machine of this kind for health DoEC> purposes/experimentation. >> i can't decide which type of machine would be best for overall health; for >> the money. there is the clark zapper, the beck/ rife machine, the DoEC> enhancer, >> etc. all the web sites say their machine is the best and each one i look >> into sounds better than the last. anyone have an opinion about which would >> best to try? i know nothing about electricity, except to respect it, so i >> would be most comfortable purchasing something already constructed. i >> respect the great wealth of experience and knowledge on this list. >> >> thanks in advance, >> julie m. >> >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> Actually, it is NOT 100 milliamps, but 100 MICROAMPS. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
Re: CS>Ions vs Particles
Hello Robert, Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 8:14:08 AM, you wrote: RLB> Hi Ya'all, RLB> More pot stirring!!! RLB> Just some more confusion to add to the sum of our knowledge. RLB> Sometimes in the morning if my underarm odor is too offensive I use some RLB> Ionic CS before the aluminum free deodorant stick. RLB> Since making the cloudy stuff ala Frank Key and the originator Bill RLB> Fernald, I keep some in the bathroom. RLB> Monday morning was a "bad odor day" so I tried the particulate CS, and RLB> it was of no effect. So I went to the kitchen where the ionic CS is RLB> located and used it. Walla, no more odor. RLB> So much for my limited in vitro test. RLB> "Ole Bob" RLB> -- RLB> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. RLB> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: RLB> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com RLB> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. RLB> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com RLB> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html RLB> List maintainer: Mike Devour How about a little more stirring there, Ole Bob? So, this brings up a question. Is the ionic silver killing the bacteria, and eliminating the odor that way? Or, is the ionic silver reacting chemically with the odor-causing chemicals that the bacteria produce (possibly sulfur-containing compounds)? -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
CS>Re[2]: CS>Unidentified subject!
Hello Alvin, Sunday, April 15, 2001, 2:49:51 PM, you wrote: AR> Hi Harsha AR> I didn't make this generator..It was a letter AR> posted on another list which was written by Don Croft. AR> I was asking the list if anyone knew what he was referring AR> to in the letter or what it means.. AR> Alvin AR> -- AR> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. AR> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: AR> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com AR> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. AR> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com AR> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html AR> List maintainer: Mike Devour Do a search for orgone, or orgone physics. It has nothing to do with chemtrails. Also search Reich. It has to do with natural energies. Reich's "cloudbuster" was/is said to be able to control/modify the orgone energies, and claims are made that he used this to turn parts of the desert into a veritable oasis, being able to control the rainfall. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
CS>Re[2]: CS> Hoof/Mouth Foot/Mouth
Hello, Thursday, April 19, 2001, 10:57:47 AM, you wrote: JOH> One report I saw said max 5 out of 100 die from Aftosa. The disease has no JOH> known effects on humans. JOH> From a personal friend's report, the British solders in Northern Ireland are JOH> breaking the fences between infected and non-infected herds. They are doing JOH> this for Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis also. JOH> It is economic warfare. JOH> JOH JOH> 85-00712 I'm not convinced it is "economic warfare". I have a feeling that these practices are aimed at taking food production out of the hands of the private individual, and into the hands of government. Of course, this is all done in the name of "safety". Add to this the "terminator" and "verminator" technology used in genetically engineered foods, and it comes out to be one frightening scenario. Imagine pollen from these crops blowing in the wind, and eventually inflicting your home garden. Other than the "freaks" who grow their foods in greenhouses and utilize air filters that remove pollen, everyone will be affected. For those who think this is some far-out scenario, it is going on as we speak. How hard is it to imagine all food coming from goverment run farms? Let's be realistic here. The goverment already supplies water to most of the population, all in the name of "safety". To this water, they add any chemical they darn well please. Just my $0.02! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fwd: Re: CS>Re[2]: CS> Hoof/Mouth Foot/Mouth
Hello Serita-spl, Thursday, April 19, 2001, 4:34:40 PM, you wrote: Sswn> Sorry Solar, Sswn> I meant for this to go to the list. Serita No problem. I kind of figured it out. Take care! -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bottles
Hello Gil, Friday, April 20, 2001, 8:47:17 PM, you wrote: GD> Is there someplace I can order bottles, eye droppers, atomizers in brown or GD> blue glass? I'm making my own CS, and I want to be able to give some to a GD> few people. GD> Gil DiSanto GD> -- GD> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. GD> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: GD> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com GD> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. GD> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com GD> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html GD> List maintainer: Mike Devour I've always had a good experience in dealing with E.D. Luce in the past. http://www.essentialsupplies.com -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
