CS>PAPAYA ENZYMES FOR DAMEON
Hi folks - When I was in the hospital someone sent me info on using papaya enzymes for thinning mucous and reducing inflamed lung tissue, but I lost some of those emails to another machine I was using. Could whomever you were PLEASE re-send that to me?? Thank you... Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>DAMEON UPDATE -- 10/9/98
Hello Silverados - Well, it's been yet another near-death roller coaster ride! This time was THE worst ever. It started as a cold which complicated my Cystic Fibrosis. Then I waited too long to get into the hospital for the IV drug treatment and it became a very close call. Now I'm back in the same old hospital crap: Drugs and their terrible side-affects and whether they're worth using against the bugs that are killing me. Along the way they discovered a bad bug that's been eating up my lungs probably for years. It's a TB-related complex "myco-bacterium" that's *very* hard to kill. It'll be a long-term drug therapy that may take a whole 2 YEARS -- until after the year 2000!! 3 drugs are used at the same time that will turn my urine and tears ORANGE. There was also another bug found in the culture that they could not identify and ended up sending to the Center for Disease Control (CDC). Suffice it to say, I'm not a happy camper at this time. I also discovered a new and interesting tid-bit about Cystic Fibrosis (CF): While the alternative therapies (especially Colloidal Silver) have been excellent at killing some of the worst bugs known to the CF world, they also ironically could create an opening for something new and potentially even worse to move in! It seems that -- like everything else ion the Universe -- these little critters are territorial and don't want other bugs crowding their space. So, in a sense, this would make Pseudomonas aeruginosa (one of the worse killers in the CF world) my friend! VERY STRANGE. This just serves to illustrate all the more how complex the nature of our being is. I guess there really are no simple answers here. This has been the short report. I'm grateful to everyone for your concern and prayers/best wishes during this HELLISH period for me... it was really touching. I'm still stuck in the hospital for now. I'll update this as more is learned, but for now, I'm off the CS (by my doctor's request) til we get word from the CDC on what that mystery bug is. One final note: I was very good friends with the man called Joost -- or "Jovo" (http://www.jovo.com.hk/) -- and was extremely shocked and saddened to learn of his sudden death when I finally checked email from here. All I could do was stare at the screen in tearful disbelief. Sleeping was difficult that night. He was a great and trustworthy friend who was always willing to help and a true warrior; a real fighter. He left behind two sons whom he loved dearly. He was also the last person I communicated with before entering the hospital; he said he would pray for me. He will be missed. For those interested, he'd begun posting the story of his life (http://jovo.com.hk/Jovostory.htm). Take care all -- Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: "sitting here"
Carl - I don't have much to offer, but I know several people who've gone to a clinic in San Diego to be treated with wheatgrass. They came back telling me how folks with cancer were cured while they were there and how one guy had a massive tumor on his face that completely disappeared before he left! You probably already know about wheatgrass therapy, but if you didn't, it's real easy to grow, is VERY cheap and all you'd need is a juicer like the GREEN POWER and you could juice it quite easily. Besides drinking, it's juice can be applied topically as a poltice or rubbed into the skin/lymph system and enemas can be done. All this has been used with great success by many people. One interesting point: The molecular make-up of chlorophyl is almost identical to hemaglobin! That green juice is powerful stuff... like gettin a blood transfusion! For what it's worth: You're an inspiration. Dameon __ sitting here only the screen sees my tears of anger fear frustration hurt doubt I want to scream but am afraid I may not be able to stop He keeps saying "I never thought it would come to this" As I clean him up and change his diaper As I feed him his milk shake As I empty his catheter As I check to see if his bedsores are healing or becoming worse As I hear him say that he has a sore throat As I encourage more fluids As I see this once strong, independent man sleep in the fetal position It hurts I'm scared When do I let go? Have I let go? Is it too soon? Carl -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: [Silver] In Subject Line Of Posts?
Hi Mike - Just a simple "CS" would be perfect! Dameon _ Hello gentlemen, and LIST! Yes, I agree this would be a good addition. Does anybody out there object? I'll consider anything that will make e-mail management easier for people. I think that the string "CS>" or something like that would work well and be the minimum length. I'll ask around at eskimo for if and how this can be done with smartlist. Please send me your opinions one way or the other, folks! I'm still quite busy here, with a lot vying for my attention. So please be patient if the change takes a while. Thanks. Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: [Silver] In Subject Line Of Posts?
I agree. This *would* be nice. Dameon ___ Most lists that I am on, have the name of the list as the first word of the subject line of each post. This makes it easy to do an Edit-Sort-Sort By Subject and have all the posts by a certain list all in one block which makes it easier to find past posts in the list. Mike, would it be possible to do that with this list? ThanksMike Rhyner -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: .999 vs .9999/ OT - Ozone
Chc - Contact this guy; he's the best expert I know of after a year of researching!: Saul Pressman HIS WEBSITE : http://www.plasmafire.com/ PLASMAFIRE INT'L. 7186 - 205th Street LANGLEY, BC CANADA V2Y 1T1 Phone : 604-532-9596 Contact Marsha from this list for silver. Mike D (the moderator) knows her well. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
COULD CS CURE IT?
List - The following is from CNET Digital Dispatch. Many of you may already know about this, but it's new to me so I thought I'd share it. Notice how she says that "more than 70 percent of the population has been exposed to this bacteria"... all the more reason to keep taking CS continually. Dameon _ 10. BEHIND THE SCENES (FOR DIGITAL DISPATCH READERS ONLY) I don't usually go all biotech in this section, but I just got word that Alzheimer's disease may at last be traceable to a simple microbe. The organism officially know as Chlamydia pneumoniae was discovered in the brains of 17 out of 19 Alzheimer's patients in a recent study. By contrast, the bacteria was found in only 1 of 19 non-Alzheimer's brain used in a related study. I should point out that this microbe is not to be confused with Chlamydia trachomatis, the dreaded STD that I am not covering today. (I mean, how far afield do you want this section to go?) Chlamydia pneumoniae is linked to common respiratory ailments, including sinusitis, bronchitis, and pneumonia. Researchers are studying the organism to see how and when it travels from the lungs and sets up shop in the brain. Since more than 70 percent of the population has been exposed to this bacteria, many as early as childhood, the real question centers on what or when something occurs to trigger this bacteria into Alzheimer's in later life. The link may be atherosclerosis, a inflammatory condition that leads to stroke, cardiovascular disease, and is often signaled by fatty build-up in the blood vessels. Chlamydia in the brain's glial cells--which function as the brain's immune system--can trigger an inflammation that may bring about Alzheimer's. Another possible entry route to the brain is through the nose. Disturbance in smell is a widespread side- effect of Alzheimer's disease. Anyway, that's all that I know on the topic, but I did find it interesting, although scary--not as scary perhaps as wondering if simple underarm deodorant will cause Alzheimer's, but scary nonetheless. I also found similar info on this same microbe and its role in heart disease. We're onto something folks, and antibiotics may actually be all that we need--assuming we're not immune to them by then. Before you write in and ask for a "more info" link, let me explain why I'm not putting one in. If you go to CNET Snap.com and type in "Chlamydia pneumoniae and Alzheimer's," you'll get a listing of bizarre and often small sites that cover these developments. The last time I personally pointed 1 million people to a link residing at Cornell University, it shut down their server and halted some email for a day. (It also prompted some powerful "I hate CNET" student Web pages.) So please check these sites out at your own pace, and if you find out more from your explorations, please drop me a line. --Alice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
OFF-TOPIC: SUCCONOT
Hello - I don't know if I'm spelling this right, but last week I saw an all-natural cookie recipe on the Discovery channel and the woman said to use what sounded like SUCCONOT instead of sugar. She said it was natural juices that were dried and had all the vits and mins lacking in white table sugar. It was sitting in a bowl and looked somewhat brownish or maybe off-white. If anyone can give me a lead on getting this, I'd be grateful. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS protocol - Brown glass, etc.
Thank you, Paul! You've enlightened me and I now intend to buy TWO bottles: A brown GALLON bottle and a smaller one for the daily usage. What you say makes sense. One thing I might add is that it *seems* to me that if a beer bottle is made to withstand the onslaught of alcohol molecules over long periods, it *should* work well with CS. Just my limited opinion, tho I have to admit I won't be taking that chance. I also agree that the fridge may have too many electrical fields and if cooling is not necessary, then why take the chance. Dameon Dameion wrote: > You still didn't answer the question of keeping CS in a plain glass > bottle but with some dark cloth over it, or storing it out of light's > reach. I see no difference in this over using *brown* bottles; in fact, > it's probably better to keep ALL light away from the home-brews. If we were going to just throw a black cloth over the bottles, that would do, I think, to keep light out of the brew. But different containers are made with different qualities of silica sand (the primary ingredient in glass) and differing levels of impurities. Example: I use mason jars to make CS in. Some of them develop a yellow tinge after one or two uses, others never do. It has to do with the particular mix the maker used in that batch of raw glass. This gives me to think that a pickle jar or a beer bottle *might* be OK for some things, but *might not* for others. And the same with containers originally intended with other things. Generally speaking, pharmaceutical glass makers like Kerr Glass of Jackson, TN, or Ball of Muncie, IN, make brown glass or clear glass containers using accepted standards of silica content, accepted standards of firing for hardness and density and so on. That is why, particularly with the delicate nature of CS home brew coupled with the kind of testing we are talking about, I think it is wise to invest in a pharmaceutical grade container. > And what about refridgeration? Since properly made CS has nothing organic in it, I can think of no reason whatsoever to keep it cold. Storing it away from electrical fields and sources of bright light seems, in my humble opinion, to be adequate for LVDC CS Grace & Peace,paul bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Nickel toxicity << THANKS!
Thanks for the all these fine references on nickel, Bill. They're worth keeping in "perm-file"! Dameon ___ > By the way, someone keeps saying that nickel is toxic. Its not. > However if nickel is heated in the presence of Carbon Monoxide > it will form NICKEL TETRACARBONYL (Ni CO4) which is extremely > toxic, however this liquid has a high vapour pressure and the > vapour is carried away by the carbon monoxide. Usually the > vapour is passed over a hot surface and it decomposes back into > metallic nickel and carbon monoxide and recycled. We are not > very likely to be meeting with NI CO4. Bob, I just searched through my files for 'nickel'. Regarding nickel tetracarbonyl, actually we are likely to encounter this toxic substance that you describe as "carried away by carbon monoxide". Tobacco smoke (and auto exhaust) contains both nickel and carbon monoxide, thus tobacco smoke (and auto exhaust) contains some unhealthy amount of toxic nickel tetracarbonyl. Inhaled nickel accumulates in the lungs and has been associated with increased rates of lung, nasal, and laryngeal cancers. As for nickel being toxic or not, it all depends on 1) the degree of exposure and 2) the state of immune activation to this heavy metal. Although I haven't collected any Medline references I read that nickel is a known carcinogen. However, food contains ultra- trace levels of nickel, and 'organic' nickel (from vegetables, grains, beans, and nuts) likely does help to maintain health. Nickel allergy can cause local skin or systemic reactions. The nickel in jewelry, dental materials, or prosthetic joints or heart valves (stainless steel) may also be allergenic sources. The EPA lists nickel as a toxic waste (even non-radioactive nickel) if it comes from industrial processes, but not if it comes from vegetation. The EPA names nickel in its list of the 100 most toxic and hazardous chemicals found at Superfund (toxic waste) sites. Below are quotes extracted from various sources. --Bill From: Galen D. Knight, Ph.D. VitaleTherapeutics, Inc. e-mail: galen...@highfiber.com http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org Re: Heating or frying OILS: Metals such as nickel catalyze the epoxidation of olefins (unsaturated organic molecules) so it makes sense to heat oil in non-metallic containers if one heats at all. Stainless steel is a no-no, since even surgical stainless steel (used in implants and supposedly hypoallergenic posts for ear-rings, watch backs, and other jewelry) usually contains nickel, cobalt, and chromium. See: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/vtlmtltb.htm Stainless steel machinery contains carcinogenic nickel. They use nickel as catalyst to saturate vegetable oils into margarine. Do you think they get all of the metal out? THE MARGARINE HOAX -- Margarine, Fatty Acids and Your Health http://www2.peg.apc.org/~nexus/margarine.html Another 'side-effect' of hydrogenation is that a residue of toxic metals, usually nickel and aluminium, is left behind in the finished product. These metals are used as catalysts in the reaction, but they accumulate in our cells and nervous system where they poison enzyme systems and alter cellular functions, endangering health and causing a wide variety of problems. These toxic metals are difficult to eliminate without special detoxification techniques [EDTA chelation], and our 'toxic load' increases steadily with small exposures over time. Since they are increasingly found in our air, food and water, the cumulative doses can add up to dangerous levels over time. Re: Nickel (Dental Materials) Hypersensitivity Clifford Consulting & Research, Inc. Colorado Springs, CO http://www.ccrlab.com Percentage Reactive - Database of 12,823 blood serum specimens Nickel Salts Group. . . . . . 97.9% of samples = Reactive Mercury Salts Group . . . . . 92.7% Arsenic Salts Group . . . . . 86.4% Lead Salts Group. . . . . . . 68.0% Silver Salts Group. . . . . . 24.7% Uranium Salts Group . . . . . 04.1% Testing Methodology... Reactivity testing is conducted on patient blood serum. Using qualitative antigen-antibody precipitin observations, it is possible to detect the presence of antibodies in the serum which have been specifically formed against such chemical groups as acrylates, urethanes, toluenes, nickel, aluminum, mercury, etc. A small quantity of a challenge material is mixed with a sample of patient serum and observed for the formation of an immune complex which precipitates out of solution and collects at the bottom of the test well. Cautions (re: CV NiTi braces) While CV NiTi is copper free, it still contains nickel. We are not aware of any fatal reactions to nickel in orthodontic cases. However, nickel is a fairly common allergen. According to a recent article in the AJO (American Journal of Orthodonti
Re: CS protocol - Brown glass, etc.
Paul, You still didn't answer the question of keeping CS in a plain glass bottle but with some dark cloth over it, or storing it out of light's reach. I see no difference in this over using *brown* bottles; in fact, it's probably better to keep ALL light away from the home-brews. And what about refridgeration? Dameon Dameon and silver-listers: It is not my intent to argue that somehow HVAC produced CS isn't OK, or anything like that. It's just that we're trying to establish a protocol for the ones who cannot afford an expensive HVAC machine, so that we can make a product that will produce repeatably reliable results. The success you have had with your HVAC silver is great, and I would never suggest that you should change, or try to follow the proposed protocol yourself, unless you just want to. For those of us who must use cheap, low-voltage DC methods to make CS, the solutions that we can make for only a few bucks and a little time *NEED* to be kept away from bright light and electro-chemical influences. Thus, Bob Beck and others have learned that using brown glass works to keep the product viable longer. The purpose of the protocol is to provide a method that is relatively inexpensive for as many as want to to produce and test a workable product. If I had the money, I'd want to have a machine that made a product with indefinite shelf life, too. I don't begrudge anyone who does. But let's not confuse the discussion about how we're going to produce LVDC CS by introducing apples and oranges comparisons with HVAC CS. Grace & Peace to you all. paul bembower > Thanks for the response, Paul, but I think the testing will be better > for determining the truth here. I've been getting WaterOz ionic silver > water for over a year by the GALLON, which comes in a slightly fogged > PLASTIC bottle, and it works fine MONTHS LATER -- my culture reports are > PROOF of that. Maybe the problem for you is more in the *way* you're > making the CS... I don't know. Besides, why would dark brown bottles be > necessary at all? Why not just store CS in clean, clear GLASS bottles > and through a black cloth over it or keep it in a cupboard/closet?! I > plan on doing that with the WaterOz -- even tho I *seemingly* don't need > to. The objective is to keep UV light out; that's not too hard. Unless > I'm wrong about what UV can penetrate; *does* UV penetrate black cloth? > Also, what about keeping CS in a refridgerator? > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Toxicity of Silver (reference document for your research archives.)
Hi Bruce - Been reading your posts for quite a long time now, and from this last series it seems like you *definitely* DON'T approve of systems like the Motherlode or the CS'PRO' -- which use HIGH VOLTAGE to produce their silver. Is this a correct assumption? Dameon _ This is the background for my beliefs / recommendations to use only pure distilled water of a known / tested purity, use low voltage DC, to generate it, etc Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS protocol << George Martin
Hey George - I use the GREEN Grolsch beer bottles to store fresh-made juices in! The caps *are* quite *cool*! It's amazing how well the juices keep in those things, but (with juices) you have to fill them all the way to the top to keep air at a minimum for maximum freshness. Only wish I could've emptied them myself in the first place, but not with this body! Take care. Dameon __ On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:44:18 -0500, Paul Bembower wrote: =>Storage of completed product should be in brown glass pharmaceutical =>grade bottles only (available from your druggist/apothecary). Plastic =>(even used Hydrogen Peroxide bottles) seem to affect the CS) => Does anyone have an idea how these compare to very dark brown beer bottles? I have a supply of Grolch bottles that I have been using because the nifty 'cork' arrangement makes sealing and unsealing a breeze. Regards, George Martin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Stainless steel
Thanks, Mike. My thoughts, too. How can it matter if the distiller *does* have something "toxic" in the elements if the final water *vapor* is rising, leaving the toxins behind?? Isn't that the definition of "distilled"?? The heating coil of the SEARS wouldn't have any affect on that. Of course, there's an easy way to find out once and for all: Just get the water tested -- which I intend to do. Dameon Hello All, Just lurking/observing... want to make coment about 80% nickel that should be no problem as long as the distilled water/heated water is not taking any nickel or what ever is toxic into the final distilled process. That is why we speak favorably of distilling... to hope any un-desirables are left behind... that the distilled is not also distilling into that end product chemicals that are condensed at near the same temperature as water now in that case you might be getting a greater concentration of the original contaminant(s) you were trying to avoid. I think consumer reports years ago mentioned that if the heat/condesing/cooling temperature were to broad that this could happen. Just thoughts... thanks mike slivinski -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS protocol -- PAUL B
Thanks for the response, Paul, but I think the testing will be better for determining the truth here. I've been getting WaterOz ionic silver water for over a year by the GALLON, which comes in a slightly fogged PLASTIC bottle, and it works fine MONTHS LATER -- my culture reports are PROOF of that. Maybe the problem for you is more in the *way* you're making the CS... I don't know. Besides, why would dark brown bottles be necessary at all? Why not just store CS in clean, clear GLASS bottles and through a black cloth over it or keep it in a cupboard/closet?! I plan on doing that with the WaterOz -- even tho I *seemingly* don't need to. The objective is to keep UV light out; that's not too hard. Unless I'm wrong about what UV can penetrate; *does* UV penetrate black cloth? Also, what about keeping CS in a refridgerator? Dameon __ Dameon wrote: > I was wondering what proof you have of this statement, and does that > include brown glass bottles (with plastic caps) that vitamins originally > came in? > > "Storage of completed product should be in brown glass pharmaceutical > grade bottles only (available from your druggist/apothecary). Plastic > (even used Hydrogen Peroxide bottles) seem to affect the CS)" > Paul replies: The proof seem to be in the pudding. I first used an old plastic hydrogen peroxide bottle. Had wonderful results right off the bat, but they tapered off quite quickly--3 or 4 days. Made a new batch, put into the cleaned H2O2 bottle, same thing again. Since I've been using the heavy brown glass bottles, the stuff seems to last much longer (I use a batch in about 2 weeks, so can't say if it will last any longer). I also use a nasal inhaler which originally contained Atrovent. It is plastic. I put a small amount in it and throw it away the remainer every couple of days, because after that it stops helping my chronic sinus infection. In fact, I am wondering what the shelf life of CS seems to be. Assuming that the plastic somehow changes the electrical characteristics of the solution, without causing it to precipitate, I'd like to think that properly stored, it would remain effective until the colored particles had settled or precipitated or whatever they ultimately would do. Can anyone else shed some light on this? Regarding beer and vitamin bottles, only experimentation will tell. When I get my Hanna PWT (it was due via UPS yesterday and didn't show up--) I'll be better able to tell if anything settles or precipitates over time. I think Christian's ZetaTester or anecdotal evidence will be the only ways to determine how long the stuff lasts in any kind of container. Maybe chc's kinesiology (spelling?) will also help here. I'll be anxious to see what kind of results we get when we actually start testing. Grace & Peace--paul bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: "Burnt Taste of Distilled Water"
Hello Joyce. Ya know, if you lived in the mountains and had to travel by donkey down treacherous paths into the big city braving the wilds of nature while doing so once every 3 months for supplies I could understand why you're putting yourself through all this. But unless this is true, TAKE THE DAMN THING BACK ALREADY AND TRY ANOTHER ONE. You're turning this into a major science project when all you have to do is replace it and start over: If you *still* get that taste, *then* I would do the science project because it's *obviously* NOT the distiller's fault! Life is short and you're wasting time. Take it from someone living on the edge who wasted enough of his own and regrets it. Words from someone who cares about you - Dameon __ On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Daniel F. Smith wrote: > Joyce, > > Is there any possibility that the water you are using has dust or some > kind of organic mater in it? Answer--I don't think the water contains too much dust or organic contaminants--it is supposed to come from the "pristine mountains". Our naive mayor wanted to bottle and sell our city water, but it has poisons such as chlorine and fluorine added to it. (Dr. Clark warns us against drinking these industrial waste products. Chlorine weakens our immune system, and I heard that fluorine destroys a portion of our brains and make us submissive to authority. Do any of you know about this research?} The legislatures are passing laws to force cities to put fluorine into the water, but some cities defy the laws and use ozone to purify their water. > Also, you might start the Sears distiller in the morning and stop it > about an inch before it fills the jug. That way the water temperature > should be no more that 212F which should be cool enough to avoid > 'toasting' the water. I've tried drinking the water after about an hour, and it still tasted burnt. > Finally, do you clean the vessel after every couple of batches? We use > a coiled stainless steel 'Scrub-bud' to clean the build up of calcium > and other minerals. Occasionaly we use 'Lime-Away' which has a mild > acid that bubbles the deposits away. We always rinse thoroughly several > times after using the 'Lime-Away' (Simple Green company also has a > 'Lime Scale Remover' that we have used on occasion.) I've made only about 3 batches so far, so the vessel is still quite new. I like your idea of using 'lime-away' or perhaps a dilute vinegar-water mixture to dissolve the minerals. It may work well if left in the vessel overnight, then it could simply be rinsed out in the morning. (The 'scrub-bud' may scrub out too much metal from the vessel.) > Hope this is helpful, Thanks, it has given me more options to try. Right now, I'm distilling the 50:50 whiteVinegar-water in the vessel to clean out the coils. (I first made the mistake of simply POURING the 50:50 mixture into a straw down the coils, which didn't work.) If the vinegar and vodka doesn't work, I might try "lime away" next. Thanks for the info, Joyce -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS protocol -- PAUL B
Hello, Paul. I was wondering what proof you have of this statement, and does that include brown glass bottles (with plastic caps) that vitamins originally came in? "Storage of completed product should be in brown glass pharmaceutical grade bottles only (available from your druggist/apothecary). Plastic (even used Hydrogen Peroxide bottles) seem to affect the CS)" Dameon ___ Mike, there's been so little of late about the CS protocol, I'd like to suggest something to get us back to that-- I think the simplest setup possible, with the greatest possibility for duplication in a wide variety of settings, should be adopted. I vote for: 3 - 9v batteries (cheap & commonly available) 1 - 28v 40ma incandescent bulb for ballast (ditto) 16 oz (1 pint) mason jar container (ditto) 3" immersion (so 6" electrodes can be revesed end for end for economy) 14ga .999 silver electrodes (2) (commonly available but not cheap) 3/4" spacing of electrodes, with minimum of 3/4" clearance from sides and bottom of brewing container (spacing of standard dual banana pin plug/jack is 3/4") brewing time = 2 hr. (this product should be used by users & compared to whatever they have been using for efficacy against whatever they have been treating with CS...a longer or shorter time might be better for some users/conditions) stirring w/ nonmetallic stirrer at 1/2 hour intervals (McDonald's Stir Sticks or bamboo skewers do quite nicely) wiping of electrodes at 1/2 hour intervals (keeps down the sludge) filtration with a single, normal 10-cup coffee filter (cheap & commonly available) All apparatus should be cleaned and rinsed with distilled water before beginning. I suggest that each person make a starter batch by heating the distilled water (by microwave or by hot-water bath) to 180 deg. F. to start, using NO electrolyte of any kind. Subsequent batches, following Bruce Stenulson's suggestion, should be made with 75% fresh, room-temp distilled water, and 25% of the starter (or previous batch), to improve conductivity. I believe that no electrolyte or protein of any kind should be used. Storage of completed product should be in brown glass pharmaceutical grade bottles only (available from your druggist/apothecary). Plastic (even used Hydrogen Peroxide bottles) seem to affect the CS) Now that ought to provide something to arouse a comment from almost everyone! [very big grin] It is not a sacred cow to me (no hurt feelings), so jump in and let's get this settled, folks, before my wife/partner tells me I can't honor my pledge 'cuz I've spent too much on my apparatus! Grace & Peace to you all. Paul Bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
POLAR BEAR DISTILLER -- SUSAN
Susan - A few questions; 1) How much did you pay for that Polar Bear and where exactly did you get it? I wasn't aware that they sold "used" distillers. 2) That's very interesting about the coffee filter bringing the PPM to 000... exactly what brand of coffee filters are you using and have you done repeat testing on this? It *seems* that impurities/particles in the filters would actually *add* to the PPM! 3) Where did you get 1-gallon GLASS jugs from? Dameon _ Hi, I purchased a used Polar Bear Distiller from the Polar Bear Co. in Nebraska. It works just fine. The final step has the condensed distilled water go down a clear tube connected to a stainless steel cylinder which contains acitvated charcoal and then on into the container. The water tastes good and is .001 on the TDS unless I pour it through a non bleached coffee filter and then in registers 000. When I first got it I had to run it on the sterilize cycle. I clean it by boiling vinegar in the boiling chamber. There was something that for me I couldn't have because of my chemical sensitivities in the Sears, but I can't remember now what that was. It sound as if some component is out-gassing and until it is through, perhaps the charcoal would help you. It is a good idea anyway to "finish it off". Another thing is how many gallons have you made with it? I have 2-5gallon jugs I fill and then 5 -1 gal jugs that are glass. Perhaps if you just put it somewhere and ran it a while it would finish getting broken in. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: SEARS DISTILLER
Joyce & Bill G - I've been using a SEARS distiller now for 3 weeks and it's been the best water I've ever had. I don't know why you're getting that "burnt" taste Joyce, but I wouldn't have even hassled with it as much as you have: I would have just exchanged it for another. SEARS is very good about these things (usually). They even told me that I had up to a YEAR to return mine if I wasn't satisfied for ANY reason whatsoever! How could I lose?? There *is* a carbon-type filter already on the distiller. You shouldn't have to buy another. Once you get the situation straightened out, you *may* want to think about adding CONCENTRACE® trace minerals to it for that extra margin of safety (and it'll make your water taste like that Hawaiian stuff you've been drinking!). It's got all kinds of *cool* minerals that we can't get enough of, like boron, and there *is* that possibility that you *could* be leeching minerals from your body by drinking *just* distilled water (anyone remember that fun little debate I/we had with "Darryl" from Australia??). I've also started adding something called AlkaLife® to it; it's an alkaline booster that should help with the elimination of acidic wastes from the body. With these 2 substances added to fresh-made d-water, I feel that I have the most perfect water I've ever consumed. Dameon ___ I'm now working to try and get clean-tasting water from my Sears distiller, but it has a burnt taste which I haven't been able to get rid of. I was told to wash the coil with 50:50 WhiteVinegar:Water mixture, then with Vodka. This method worked well on another brand of distiller, making the water clean tasting. But when I poured the 50:50 mixture through the coil of my Sears distiller (I didn't have Vodka), the distilled water still tasted "burnt". I'm working through suggestions people gave me. My next step is to call Sears and discuss my problem with them. If nothing else works, I may get a carbon-filter water pitcher recommended by Hulda Clark to see if it might take the burnt taste out. Some people don't taste the burnt taste, so I might have a defective distiller, or my taste buds may be extra sensitive. (I was raised on an island with unpolluted Hawaiian water, and refused to drink city water for many years because of its awful taste.) Regards, :) Joyce On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Bill Galkowski wrote: > Okay folks... I am interested buying a distiller. Can somebody pass along the > info to me when they get a chance? Thanks. > > Bill G. > wil...@thecore.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Texas -- ABDUCTIONS
Wow... so it *is* true that we *can* all fit there. Imagine how easy it will be to fence us in when all those saucers finally do land... Dameon ___ Dameon wrote: > Thanks for that tid-bit about the world's population! I did *not* > know that everyone could fit into the state of Texas... but *who* > would want to live in *Texas*!! hehehehe I don't know, Dameon, the Texans I've met have been a little bit "different" for sure, but... I've verified the anecdote about the world's population being able to fit in Texas, and still have 1500 square feet for each person to move around in. I admit it would not be sustainable, but picture the *entire* rest of the globe completely wild and unpeopled. Gives a different perspective on the environmentalists who are predicting such dire consequences from overpopulation, doesn't it? Raises my skepticism a notch or two. Yes, I know this is off topic. Sheesh! Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Fever - ATTN: BJS
H. did I miss something? I don't really have an opinion on this one. Should I? If you're referring to the mention of Erliciosis, I don't think that has anything to do with Cystic Fibrosis. ___ > Have your son tested for Lyme Disease and Babeosis in California they are both > caused from a tick bite the reproduction cycle for these two infections along > with onother called Erliciosis can all be inflicked from one tick bite. I have > the first two diseases. I visited your beutiful island in May, along with my > husband, who also has Lyme disease and my daughter who flies for Delta. on > the intrenet look up Tick borne diseases and look at Lyme and Babeosis. Or > take alook at" MANAGING LYME DISEASE DiagnosticHints and Treatment Guidelines > for Lyme Borreliosis", By Joseph J. Burrascano, Jr.,M.D., he is the expert on > tick born diseases Diagnosis and treatment, try and get a copy over the > internet. the address is http://listserv.edu/list/lymenet-l/managing htm > good luck and let me know if this turns out to be your sons problem. Carol > Interesting post. What do you think Dameon? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: ATTN: BJS
Yeah... Cleveland. But at least we *do* have the Rock'n Roll Hall Of Fame! Dameon likow...@earthlink.net wrote: > > OK, to all the sensitives who're - or will be - retaliating because I > mentioned Texas in a sarcastic way, COOL IT... it's no big deal. I only > meant that it's been so damn hot there lately one may do better in HELL. > Besides, I live in Cleveland, so you can all start laughing now. > > Dameon > > CLEVELAND, !! You mean the ARMPIT of America Ha, Ha ha ha! bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: ATTN: BJS
OK, to all the sensitives who're - or will be - retaliating because I mentioned Texas in a sarcastic way, COOL IT... it's no big deal. I only meant that it's been so damn hot there lately one may do better in HELL. Besides, I live in Cleveland, so you can all start laughing now. Dameon __ I live her and happen to like it. Arnie Farber Houston,Texas likow...@earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks for that tid-bit about the world's population! I did *not* know > that everyone could fit into the state of Texas... but *who* would want > to live in *Texas*!! hehehehe > > Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
ATTN: BJS
Thanks for that tid-bit about the world's population! I did *not* know that everyone could fit into the state of Texas... but *who* would want to live in *Texas*!! hehehehe Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & Immunity - IT'S ALL RELATIVE
Good to see Whitney admit obedience to the unknown variables by the use of vit-C and herbs, though I would hardly classify CS as a "big gun" compared to other things; "big guns" usually imply serious risk of damage for the sake of killing the opponent. Has anyone ever been seriously damaged from CS? Ozone will damage if protocols are not carefully followed and I would bet sensitivity levels are much higher amongst the majority than they are to CS. But ozone is a marvelous weapon/healer even though there's a risk; *ozone* is a "big gun". With all that's UNknown about the actions of CS in the body - especially since there are implications that we used to get so much more through the foods we'd eat - I believe the way it's used *must* be totally up to the individual. It's a good opportunity for the person to go deeper and *feel* what the "correct" amount is. Until there is definite empirical evidence that CS *does* interfere with the workings of our immune systems, it's just fear to state that it would or could. Pregnant women are advised to get enough folic acid (part of the B-vitamin complex) to prevent their babies from being born with a disconnected spine; the amount needed to prevent this horrible deformity is not even visible to the naked eye. This, to me, reveals the implications of how important it is to get the proper elements for a healthy life - amount being relative. Who can really say what's enough - vitamins, minerals, CS or otherwise? I was once taking 100,000 IU's of vitamin-A a day for MONTHS as part of a medical experiment. At that level I should have experienced some kind of side affects; they kept asking me if I was, but I wasn't... nothing! Then there's an IV drug for fighting infections in Cystic Fibrosis called Colymycin; *most* patients have terrible side affects from even a small amount: Heavy urination, rubber legs and migrain headaches. When I was on it I felt absolutely nothing - not even tingling toes! I treat silver water as a "mineral suppliment" that just *happens* to work better than a drug for my situation. Lucky me... so far. Speaking of drugs, just what *is* a drug, in it's simplest definition? They're *subtsances* taken for a specific reason with the intent of getting well. This can also define what a vitamin, mineral or CS is. When I first began studying natural healing/vitamins I read about all kinds of illnesses due to deficiencies (imbalances) that were "cured" with vitamins/minerals; that kinda sounds similar to a "drug". The point is: All these things seem to overlap at some point. How many on this list drink coffee? Alcohol? Smoke? They're saying that a little wine every day is "good", even though the body recognizes ALL alcohol as a poison. Coffee's a good example of paradox: When consumed *orally* it depletes the body of valuable necessities and causes all kinds of imbalances with implications of even contributing to some cancers; when taken *rectally*, it initiates a "purging" affect that is actually used in some cancer treatments! So, all this amounts to the individual's call to use CS and at what amount. But, as one book says, "Fate and unforeseen occurrence befall all men (and women)". *IF* it turns out that there's a risk to using CS in the long run, that's the price you pay for living. Think of all the other risks taken daily that are not even considered - driving being the most obvious. One of the biggest killers in America is falling in the bathtub and you risk more breathing downtown city air on a smoggy day, because of all the unknown interactions of about 13 million chemicals poured into the atmosphere every year, than you ever could with CS. And no matter how "healthy" you eat, the body automatically regards food as an "invader"; this is part of "digestion": The attack, breakdown and use of the invader called "food" with it's inevitable toxins... kind of like what the white blood cells do on their level. And did you know that when sperm enters a woman much of it is *immediately* treated as an intruder and destroyed? Yet we still have over-population. Even the growing fetus can cause chemical changes in the woman that could end up killing her! Seems to me the Great Infinite loves the game of Paradox. I wouldn't be too afraid of CS. One thing is apparent just about everywhere you look in Nature: The Universe doesn't like sissy's. Dameon _ A few folks have very astutely pointed out that there are important exceptions to my let-your-immune-system-try-to-do-its-job-before-intervening theory. Thanks. There are some really nasty bugs out there, and it does not make sense to wait until they have you down before defending yourself. I should also admit that I do not always follow the theory myself. I am already a complete vitamin C junkie, and I start in on the echinacea at the first sign of a cold. But I hesitate to use the big guns (CS) on every little sore throat, fearing that I will become a CS junkie as well. Whitney -
Re: Motherlode vs. CSPro systems.....
I'd get this one if I were you: http://www.csprosystems.com http://www.csprosystems.com/HVAC_Specs.htm i...@csprosystems.com Bruce Marx For information, call: 210-626-2546 (9am - 9pm, CST), 7 Days a Week It's better and cheaper. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS five gallon plans??? - BJS
HAHAHAHAHA!! *That's* funny! Dameon _ > DC Electricity.101 tells you that 3 batteries in series MUST be of the SAME > electrical size as to voltage/amperage/capacity. This is a NO-NO!!! > > Of course it will work for awhile BUT the output volage/amperage will drop > when the smaller battery is exhausted. > > Good Health to All. > gb. Just wire in a 12 pack. Lift one tab on one end, and one tab on the other end for your connections. All cans must be in contact. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: SEARS WATER DISTILLER
Hi Joyce and all - I just got my SEARS DISTILLER but haven't tried it yet since I was waiting to find out about the "aluminum factor", so I can't comment on the "burnt taste". But I called KENMORE - who actually makes the machine which SEARS only sells - and they checked with their tech dept and assured me that it *was* stainless steel, then faxed me a copy of the tech sheet with a description of the boiling pot as being stainless steel. Then, I was re-reading the directions and noticed that they say "stainless steel boiling pot" (which I'd missed the first time) in the "first time use and set-up" section. Then someone on the list said that there were 2 types of stainless steel and that a magnet would stick to the safe one, so I took a little refridgerator magnet and it sticks just fine! I guess it passes all tests for safety. I've noticed other companies selling what looks like this model for A LOT MORE $$! WaterWise has what looks like the exact same thing for $300 and a place out of Australia is selling it for $500+! I paid $120 on sale! Joyce: Did you sample water from the FIRST batch?? They say in the directions that you have to "break it in" because there's factory residue in it that will affect the taste! Dameon _ I tried the SEARS water distiller, but the water did NOT taste very good--sort of "burntish". I tried adding Microhydrin to make it more like Hunza water, but the "burnt taste" was still there. Drinking burnt water doesn't appeal to me very much. Do any of you know how to "clean up the taste" of this water? Also, the pot seems to be made of aluminum like Daemon mentioned, and I noticed that although the aluminum content went down in the distilled water, it did not go down as drastically as the other metals did. :) Joyce P.S. My school dumped my mail, so please re-send if you emailed me anything between: July 1 to July 7 July 18 to 20 Thank you! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: One woman's experience with CS
Whitney - I just read how the scalp is a very absorbant part of the body, so you targeted a key area to try your experiment on. You must have an extremely sensitive system to feel a Herx like that from just what your did! I know someone *drinking* 32-ounces a day of 43PPM CS and he doesn't experience any side affects! I was curious about something: Where did you learn that MSM would help get CS out of the body? Dameon __ Hi, folks. Here's a little story for the files. I recently bought an elegant little CS maker, designed by one of our members. I made a batch of nice amber-colored CS. Not daring to take it internally for starters, I decided to use it externally, *thinking* that it would be safer. I have a *terrible* case of itchy, scaly, scalp with falling-out hair. Surely something is living there. So I decided to try the CS on it. I saturated my head with about 1 to 2 oz. of the stuff and sat down to read my e-mail. About 1/2 hour later I began to feel *very* weird. Sort of cold and light-headed. Felt like the beginning of my typical Herx reaction. Ran to the shower and washed it off, but I was into one of my Herx reactions where I feel like I'm going to faint, dizzy, like I can't think straight, and my heart starts flip-flopping, hesitating and then starting up again with a thud. I have had pretty good luck using Clark's recommendation re Herx: arginine in daytime, ornithine at night, so I took a bunch of them and they seemed to help, but would keep wearing off, and I'd be back in the faint feeling. I also took a bunch of MSM, thinking maybe it would get rid of some of the silver and thus cut down the total detox. The condition of my scalp improved dramatically. But the whole thing lasted about two scary, unpleasant days (my typical Herx time) and taught me a few things: 1. Never underestimate the possibility that a substance (especially CS!) will be absorbed through the skin. 2. Start with lower doses of CS! I would really appreciate any comments that would help me understand the whole experience better. Whitney -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: "Cobalt" Blue bottles ???
Uhhh I don't think they actually use COBALT in that glass, folks. I could be wrong, but I do art and that pigment is VERY EXPENSIVE. Many paint makers have switched to synthetic pigments (thalo's and ultramarine's) because of it. I would bet that it's the COLOR that matters because of the way it affects UV light, and NOT the actual metal in the glass that makes the dif! Also, I wouldn't put *too* much faith in the "muscle-testing" methodology: I started out as a "fan" of it 22 years ago, but have since changed my tune since it seems to be more "unscientific" and *very* subjective. If muscle-testing works so well, why are we bothering to get anything tested and looking for the perfect CS-making protocol? In fact, just muscle-test everything out there and if it tests "strong", then eat it or wear it! After almost dying last November, I was taken to a homeopethist. I was too weak to be "muscle-tested" so she had *my dad* hold the *PLASTIC* bottles of suppliments I brought along and had me put my hand on *his* shoulder *over* his winter clothing and *then* "tested" for whether they were "good" for me or not! If *his* arm went down, they were "bad" for *me*! And Santa Claus comes down my chimney every December 25th. Of course, almost all the suppliments I brought were "bad" for me and we ended up buying $125 of her "good" suppliments! Geee, maybe we weren't facing the right direction during the "tests"? While I fully believe there are unexplainable energies out there, muscle-testing *may* have about 10% merit -- at best (in my opinion). If our bodies are SO "aware" that they can detect which pills are "good" or "bad" for it *through* plastic bottles, through someone else's body and through winter clothing, then none of us stand a chance and we may as well buy our grave plots right now because of all the things assaulting us at every moment these days! Just walking down a city street we breathe about 2000 new chemicals a year! And then there's electromagnetic overload and radio and microwave radiation! Sorry, but muscle-testing looks more like "rediculous" than "sicence" -- IN MY OPINION. But I await the day when someone can turn me back into a "true believer"; it would be a *cool* addition to my alternative weaponry! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Just a thot' on Dr. - WORTH KEEPING
Thanks, Sandi... it was a good read. Dameon _ To All Who Contribute To This List, My heartfelt thanx as I have been priviledged to learn so much... I have been reading this list now for a few months and not being known as the strong silent type, I wonder why I have sat silent for so long. Pehaps it is because I know that I am not eloquent with words and have NEVER corresponded with but a few on this crazy thing called a computer; a thing that has added more gray hairs to this aging body than any kid I ever raised. I almost quit this list as I watched the many Dr. bashing letters come through and so decided rather than cut my nose to spite my face, as I love the general info that I get, I should just add my input. I am a nuse and I could add much to the horror stories that have been printed. I am/was a wife who spent years allowing her husband to make and live with his choices after he was diagnosed with cancer. His choices cost him his life and we buried him almost two years ago. I then watched my sister make the same choices at the same price. I currently practice in the field of geriatrics specializing in Alzheimers and other dementias and if you feel the general field of medicine is a nightmare you ought to see what happens in that area of medicinebut families choose to turn the care of their loved ones over to the Dr. who supposedly knows it all. On the other side of the coin, we have a small alternative medical clinic in town. Within the clinic are 2 MD's who practice with many other health prationers, and utilize both fields of knowledge. Amongst their peers, they are respected but tho't of as a bit weird...but they perservere and though their numbers are small, they do make a difference. They educate and inform and encourage their "patrons" to participate in their health care. And so in this little town in which I am lucky to reside I sit and make a few observations. The general public holds mluch of the responsibility for what goes on in the field of medicine. As with almost every avenue of life, they turn the responsibility of their health over to anotherIt is seen repeatedly in schools, politics, religion and the rearing of children to mention only a few aspects. As long as people continue to do this, the price will always be high in that we give our power away. For those who have had "sour" experiences, perhaps it was the lesson you needed to reclaim your power...and it sounds as tho' some of you are doing a great job of it. If this be true, then the experience should become one of thanksgiving not of bashing. Not all lessons are learned without discomfort. When I was diagnosed with MS almost 30 years ago and told that I would have to learn to live with the fact that MS was incurrable, I, after many months and much bantering with the Dr., finally got angry and decided that NO ONE would ever tell me what I HAD to accept. I searched and researched for answers, trying this and that...but I have no trace of MS and I have lived a long rich life...full of learning which continues to this day and I am so grateful for the Dr. who sparked that fight in me. I have not always been able to pass that fight on to others but then I am not responsible for their choices. I assist where I can and am so happy for the few lives I have been able to touch. I really did not mean to write a book, only to pass on that maybe our energy can serve ua better by joining forces and exchanging information. I do so appreciate the knowledge that you guys share and I have little to offer in the electrical area of expertise that is needed but please accept my contribution of $50 to "the fund". I will await the info as to where to send it and thanx to you all for your time and info! I truly believe in the power of one...Sandi -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Be sure to identify subjects clearly. Digest structure.
I agree totally. Dameon Robert Wells The List has been very busy lately and I'm having real trouble keeping up with all the postings, even though they are important to me. Many of the message topics are clearly identified, but some are not. Might I meekly suggest that we all try to identify our topics as clearly as possible to allow readers to focus on those subjects most important to them? It would help me, especially after a weekend to be able to sort throught the postings. I counted 30+ messages dated 7/14 and 20+ already today (7/15). I'm grateful for this wonderful forum. The ideas and support have been fast and furious. In order to accomodate more growth, however, we will need to be careful to make our messages particularly clear in the topic or subject line. Don't be afraid to change the subject line when you respond to a posting. It can be very helpful, especially when the topic starts changing from the original thread. I tried confining myself to the digest version back in May, but found that I disliked the format, especially since there were long copies of messages and the ever present trailer telling how to get on and off the list (any chance of automatically deleting those in the digest?). Furthermore, the digest seemed to cut out the sender's e-mail address so I couldn't respond directly when I wanted to (I haven't checked to see if this is still an issue). Finally, I started wanting to categorize the messages by subject (testing, other diseases, making CS, etc.) For all these reasons I went back to the regular list, but I spend too much time at it every day and it is starting to get in my way a bit. I haven't figured out how to manage this yet, but clear marking of topics will probably help. Bob Wells -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: UPDATE - ATTN: BJS
With all my ranting in the last post, I forgot to answer your question: I met the unfortunate CF victim too late; he was already so sick that he was urinating blood from all the drugs they were pumping into him and he was too scared to sway from the great doctor's influence. I showed him the bottle and gave his mother the phone number, but I'm sure they never called. When CF progresses to that point, the victims become like deer in the headlights: Lack of breath, emaciation and toxic side affects from the drugs take over and it's a merry-go-round of one fear after another; confusion rules. You don't know who to trust and the doctor seems like the Angel In White. I've been very close to death twice, and can tell you I know the feeling I saw in that man's eyes the last time I saw him. In fact, the first time I almost died he was in the hospital at the same time and while I was in bed on oxygen afraid that I'd never leave there alive, I would see him and his mother walking by everyday. They even peaked in once to ask my mom how I was doing, even tho we hadn't met. Back then, *he* was the "stronger one" and I didn't know if I would make it. Then I got out of the hospital and said "Screw this crap: These stinking drugs make me as sick as the disease!" and did massive juicing and ozone and CS and some Beck stuff and herbs and vits and mins and NO MORE DAIRY PRODUCTS and lots of fruit and water and I became 10 times stronger than I was in the hospital! But Tom kept following the doctor's advice with all the drugs - and now he's dead. An interesting contrast, isn't it? I'm still not out of danger (just coughed up blood for the first time in 2 years yesterday), but I'm *MUCH* better than I was back in November! Now I need to see how far I can take it. Dameon ___ > By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my > disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his > "doctor" - the same "doctor" I trusted for most of my years, > Dameon > Have you told your doctor about CS Dameon? Did you friend try CS? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: UPDATE - ATTN: BJS!!
Yup! And he shrugged and asked what it is and what it does. When I told him, he snidely remarked that "we've only known about most bacteria for a hundred years or so"! Say WHAT?! How the HELL does that relate to people staying healthy from using it??!! See, *this* is the kind of ARROGANCE that I've had to deal with; and what's *really* pathetic is to watch how all the new interns hover around this guy all eager to learn his "wisdom". I feel like walking up to him right in front of them all and saying "Hey, Stern! Lose any patients lately? It's a good thing I didn't follow *your* instructions for staying alive or I'd ALREADY BE DEAD!" When I implied this to one of his fellow-doctors in private, she looked at me with hate and proceeded to repremand me like a child! Talk about ARROGANCE: I'm 42 and still alive with a disease that kills most by 20 or 30 and she had the audacity to "scold" me for saying "I'm still alive because throughout my life I've only taken about 1/4 of all the drugs that Stern wanted me to"! Can you believe this *DUNG* (the word was originally *SHIT* but I don't want to sound too nasty)?! I BLASPHEMED against one of their own - the GODS - and got my wrist verbally slapped! I learned that day *when* to keep my mouth shut! Hey, bjs! How come I can't send things to your personal email address?? They always come back to me! Dameon ___ > By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my > disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his > "doctor" - the same "doctor" I trusted for most of my years, > Dameon > Have you told your doctor about CS Dameon? Did you friend try CS? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR - NANCY
Hi Nancy - Thank you for responding. If I email my snailmail address, could you find it in your heart to copy and mail that literature to me? Or is there an URL for this company? I did a Web search but couldn't find anything. Thanks for the thoughts on my friend's death. It's been an especially depressing week for me; in fact, today I coughed up blood (first time in 2.5 years) and was very allarmed by it. I think my emotions had something to do with it. Dameon PS...If you want my snailmail address, please send your *real* email address; I tried sending this message to you personally the first time and it came back to me. THANKS. ___ I think I've mentioned the Motherlode (about $400); haven't gotten one yet; it's on my list of expensive "toys" to get within the next 6 mo. It can process up to a gallon of CS, pretty high ppm if desired; doesn't require "wiping wires or filtering" or dark glass bottles, and processes fairly quickly according to literature I have on it. A teenage girl I know used this CS (her mother made it for her). She had severe headaches with Lyme disease and is now asymptotic. I'm sorry that you lost another friend; thanks for letting us know. I hope you can find a better doctor, too. Sincerely, Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
COMFREY
Yes, it's back in health food stores. Years ago comfrey-pepsin was a wonderful GI (Gastrointestinal )healing agent. We used it to heal ulcers, to sooth the GI tract and it worked great. Who says you need antibitics to heal h.pylori?? Anyway, someone got a hairbrained idea to shove 1000 x the usual does into lab rats and i believe it caused cancer. (Duuuhhh, no kidding) So in all of their wisdom the FDA took it off the market. I do not know if it ever came back. Now we use "Okra Pepsin", which seems to work good too. So, Joyce if you have comfrey pepsin in your yard, do find out what, how, when and why, because it is valuable. BTW don't forget to e-mail me your address, off the net! chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
COMFREY: THE "BONEMENDER"
"W. D. Cavanaugh" : "My point is: almost nobody I know has any knowledge of comfrey..." COMFREY: One of the best weapons in herbal medicine; miraculous in it's ability to rapidly mend and heal broken bones and torn flesh. The Indians called it BONEMENDER and was wrapped around limbs with broken bones and other injuries to promote healing. Even the Egyptians knew of it's power. They would place the wet leaves over tumor areas. It grows all around the world in some form - even Siberia - like Nature's general medicine. One plant will quickly spread and they're very durable little buggers. The leaves are good, but the roots are also used for their magical active ingredient "allantoin". We have a huge patch growing in the middle of our garden every year and I've drank gallons of fresh comfrey tea. This year I'll be juicing the fresh leaves. For a long time my dad has been making a special comfrey liquid that he gives to people with arthritis and other problems; they rub it on the painful area and soon it's like new again. His aunt taught him how to make it; the roots and/or leaves have to soak in alcohol for months before it's ready. He preaches comfrey like "born agains" preach the Bible. Great stuff, that comfrey. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR
Hello Listers, Would the person(s) who posted that they were using the expensive AC GENERATOR (I think around $600) during that AC/DC debate some months back please stand up? Also, anyone else who has knowledge in this area or knows of similar generators. I would like to ask some questions. Thank you - Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Doctor bashing - UPDATE
Not to drag this out any longer than it's already gone, but on the 10 PM news tonight, they reported on a national survey of doctors that was done by a medical insurance company and found that, in 50% of the cases (when averaged out), the "doctors" were negligent or outright wrong in their treatments!! The essential theme was that *maybe* it isn't such a good idea to trust your doctor after all! I guess my statement that 50-75% are a__holes wasn't too far from the mark, heh? By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his "doctor" - the same "doctor" I trusted for most of my years, which I will be dumping next week. The sickening thing about it is that this "doctor" is viewed with god-like respect, and yet he continues to lose the patients that follow his advice the most!! Go figure. Suffice it to say, he doesn't like *me* very much; I'm sure his arrogant ego will not be bruised by my departure. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: Legal to prescribe already?
Thanks for posting this, bjs1779 - It was great reading and, once again, drove home the value of this substance. Especially interesting was the part about intraveneous administration. I've been wanting to try that for over a year. I just might with the WaterOz silver mineral water, since it's particles are so small. Dameon _ Clinical Use Report Of MSP Dr. Joseph J. Cardot Researchers have been warning the medical establishment for years that the indiscriminate use of antibiotics could spawn mutations in pathogens (bacterial, viral, and fungal), creating "Super Bugs" resistant to all known medications. The result, they warned, would create a "post antibiotic world" where common, as well as uncommon, infections would quickly escalate into fatal illnesses. The warning have been ignored; the result is that we are--right now--facing a major threat to human life from formally treatable infectious conditions. A friend of mine, Dr. Richard Callahan, York, NE, in a recent phone conversation remarked that, in his opinion, mutated pneumococcus nacteria and viral pneumonia will be killing thousands of Americans annually within five years. Bad news indeed. The good news is that Mild Silver Protein (MSP) may be an answer to the dilemma we are facing. I have operated a family practice for 37 years where I have treated all types of infections in patients varying in ages from infants to over ninety. Before prescribing any treatment I believe a doctor should determine if the patient might suffer harmful effects from the treatment. "First Do No Harm." The treatment should also offer the prospect of helping the patient recover. MSP meets both of the criteria. I started using a silver suspension in protocols for patients with infections in January of 1992. The first patient, a female, had "walking" viral pneumonia. She was placed on one tablespoon of the silver suspension t.i.d. She was asymptomatic the fourth day into treatment. I was astounded. I thought that it might have been a misdiagnosis. Since that first experience I have treated more than 50 cases of viral pneumonia with the same positive results. Time of treatment varies, due to patient condition and severity of infection, from four days to thirty days. The outcome, however, is consistently positive; the infection is cleared. Since that first experience I have included MSP in protocols for all types of infectious diseases with positive results. MSP has cleared reoccurring ear infections in children who were scheduled for tube surgery making the procedure unnecessary. Infectious fibromayalgia (Fibromyositis) and Sjogren's syndrome patients have benefitted from MSP therapy; MSP therapy helps many rheumatoid arthritis patients with synovial fluid infections that are causing inflammation to no longer need steroids. Systemic Candida Albicans is successfully treated with MSP. It is so effective we must start with small doses to control Herxheimer effect. Staph and other infections in the mouth (Gingivitis) have dramatically improved with MSP therapy. The Lyme disease spirochete (Borrelia burgdorferi) is eliminated using MSP therapy. I have records of Lyme patients who have been taking various antibiotics for three or more years who have become asymptomatic on MSP therapy after just three or four weeks of treatment. The average duration to rid the body of the spirochete is three to nine months. Systemic Candida Albicans frequently occurs in patients with Lyme; complicating the treatment and prolonging the duration of treatment. Lyme disease is far more prevalent than is generally known. Lyme has been reported in the U.S. in 43 states, and in all of Canada. I believe that reported cases of Lyme represent only about 20% of the actual number of Lyme cases. Lyme is routinely misdiagnosed as meningitis or as a "heat rash." A red rash is a typical symptom of Lyme. Ag-Cidal and Silvicidal* are proving to be IOO% effective in getting rid of the Lyme spirochete when they are included in the treatment protocol. The important thing about MSP therapy is that it is non-toxic. I have never observed any side effect from using MSP therapy, and I have used it in patients with all kinds of infections. In acute conditions as much as four tablespoons per day has been given, with no adverse reactions observed or reported. HIV positive patients have responded to MSP therapy if begun before the advanced Stages of full blown AIDS. Temple University studies indicate that MSP kills the HIV virus in vitro. I believe that the HIV can be completely eliminated by using higher concentrations of MSP than can be absorbed with oral dosing. In vivo studies should be done using 250 to 750 ppm MSP administered IV. Due to the fact that MSP is non-toxic in high concentrations, this could prove to be a God-sent treatment for the millions who are suffering and dying from AIDS related illnesses. The use of AZT and ot
Re: Microbial Challenge Test Update
List - I agree with George M to get the tests done anyway. I'll try to come up with another $10 (I know it's not much; I'm sorry). I think having some back-up data is important. Showing the public test results from A SINGLE LAB may not cut it with the opposition. Considering what CS has done for me, with a *serious* illness, our efforts in this matter could really help a lot of people dispell doubts about it's worth. But they'll need more proof than *just* our personal experiences and *probably* more than one test result. It may also be "progressive" for CS-listers to start including their protocols when reporting on success/failures in using CS so that others can make better judgements with their own protocols. Maybe even the inclusion of things like body weight and nutritional habits (ie: how much coffe does someone drink a day, are "sweets" eaten or alcohol consumed, what vitamins/minerals are also being taken). This may sound complicated at first, but it really isn't, and I think it will shed some light on the process as a whole. There is a rumour that Vitamin-C, for example, may have a "chelating affect" on C-Silver and that it should be taken several hours after C-Silver. This has not been confirmed, but if folks on the list are taking 'X' amount of silver for 'X' disease 'X' times a day and still getting little or no results, it may not be in the PPM or the *way* the CS was made, but in other aspects of their life -- like nutrition. If we establish some solid ground work here, it could branch off into a *real* scientific methodology that even mainstream science cannot ignore, and *maybe* even help people who were previously afraid of CS to approach trying it! Dameon __ Very sorry folks, I hadn't had my morning coffee yet when I read Joyce's lab report and I was VERY WRONG! It was indeed done at the desired concentrations with precisely the kind of data points I was looking for. Thanks again Joyce. Well, I look to you all for guidance at this point. Should we proceed with our own test at this point(replication is always good science) or should we just call it done and save the money for some other CS related endeavor? Help! Thanks, Doug. -- I think that we should proceed with our tests. Can't have too much data! Of course, the lab tests won't tell us anything about how the different particle sizes travel through the body. At best it will give us an indication of what happens when (if) the silver reaches the offending organism. One other item I have been thinking about recently. If the data from Joyce's test holds true for ours then what is the quantity of CS we need to ingest to bring up the level of silver in the blood (or whatever body fluid is the target) to levels that are toxic to the 'bad' virus/bacteria. Seems to me it would be quite a bit... I remember someone posting the doses recommended according to body weight but I don't have access to my archives. Regards, George Martin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Doctor bashing
Hello Nancy - I found your comments regarding this whole issue to be amongst the most balanced of any posted. Funny how one little response to a seemingly insignificant post set off such a fire. When I responded to whomever made the anti-doctors statement way back when, I never expected to start so many fireworks over whether doctors are worthy of their pay or status in society (not to mention their lives, considering the attitudes of some!)... but then, it *is* the 4th of July. In fact, it was mostly sarcasm in that I used the amount of 98% and the term "scum"; *obviously* more than 2% are "good" people, it's just that it's impossible to *really* know how many are not! When I made my other post stating that I felt 50-75% were corrupt (at least in part) I *do* think that's much more accurate and fits in overall with other aspects of human nature and other humans in their professions. In general, it seems to be "the nature of the beast" for a small quantity of *quality* humans to exist in ANY field of human activity, but it becomes more amplified in the medical profession because the mistakes are so glaring compared to (as you say) car repair or a head of hair. If someone screws up your car, it ain't headline news; when the wrong leg gets amputated, it ceratinly is -- and *must* be! And as you accurately point out "...the sicker one is, the more aware that person becomes of how little our doctors do know about health and illness...". This is very true. Necessity ALWAYS dictates in Life. If you're not that sick, or never had a child that sick, doctors aren't "bad" guys (or girls); but if you see your child repeatedly sick for years and it's breaking your heart and then you discover Colloidal Silver and it's miraculous implications (or ANY of the "alternatives" available that are being used with great success in other places), it tends to make you suspicious of ALL medicos. Any system inherently has a point of no return; with a fatal illness you play "Beat The Clock" everyday. Every minute seems cramped and uncomfortable while waiting for "the cure" to come along, but we are suspicious of a system that ignores obvious other, *better*, remedies so how can we have faith that "the cure" will come in time? So things get even more cramped and uncomfortable. And this is pretty much the basic "wounded animal" psychology; one thing compounds another and all the time that big old clock in the sky is ticking ever louder. It makes those playing games with your life appear extremely evil, and I mean that in the "ignorant" sense to a great degree. There is *honest* ignorance ([-]evil) -- where someone just didn't know there was a better way, and there is *arrogant* ignorance ([+]evil) -- where they may have sensed Truth and a better way, but chose to ignore it because of ego or job security or whatever. But then, this is where The Truth issue itself can become very abstract: If a doctor raising a family with kids in college or perhaps even a chronically sick child of their own has built a good way of life being the "conventional" kind of doctor, and then discovers something like CS and it's wonderful implications and sincerely wants to start "prescribing" it to their patients -- perhaps even conducting "scientific experiments" to prove it's worth to the world -- but knows what they're up against, is it the "truthful", "better" way to jeopardize their entire family's lives over this? If there's the slightest chance that they could lose everything by employing the use of CS on a regular basis, is it worth it? This is where we all have to look in the mirror... where the *real* MANimal aspects of our limited nature comes into play. I can stand alone; I have no offspring to care for -- not even a wife or girlfriend. Like the film BRAVE HEART, I can afford to fight the great war with nothing to jeopardize but *my own* life -- which we all lose in the end anyway. And my attack is mostly against single doctors I've known (or with the establishment itself) who *could* make some changes if they wanted to. But I honestly admit that IF there were others I had to provide for I may not be quite the warrior, for the love that bonds also weakens. We are faced with compromises every step of the way. Much of where we end up in Life is a "Destiny" thing, over which we have little control. But turning points are the key; you have to dig deep to discover the correct battle to fight. An ancient philosopher once wrote "All things are born of war". I'm still waiting for Nature to prove that statement false. Time and unforeseen occurrence befall all men (and women) and since we're going to die in the end, choosing the right battle seems all important. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem... it's just a question of *how much* of a part. Dameon Tue/3:05PM/7/7/98 _ Sorry, Dameon, that was intended to go to the list, not you & Tom Young individually. As I posted in an earlier email this
Re: Doc stuff and more
Doug (I have a brother by that name!) -
The test idea is a good one and I, too, will put in some money. Being on
a Welfare-type program, tho, I couldn't afford any more than $10
(sorry). But it did come to mind: What CS will be tested? Someone's
home-brewed? Some health food store brand? A name brand? As all who've
been following my story knows, I favor WaterOz. I wouldn't care if
another brand were tested because the WaterOz is literally saving my
life (and I have med records to prove it). I don't plan on ever
switching unless they go out of business ("if it ain't broke, don't fix
it"), so I think there'll be some disagreement on this issue.
Maybe it would be good to first find out from the group what the most
commonly used CS maker is (SOTA, etc) and use THAT as the base?
But I would still throw in $10 if the group decides to go for this, just
out of curiosity and for the evolution of CS knowledge.
Dameon
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Re: Doctor bashing
In my very first response to this subject I used the term "scum", including *most* doctors into that catagory. That was wrong. Douglas McMurtrie, Mike D and others have made good points to the contrary in their defense. 98% of all doctors are not "scum", but I think the percentage of those in the medical field that are driven by ego and selfish interests (monetary) are fair higher than just a few: Probably more in the 50-75% range. If that weren't so, you'd be seeing a lot more of them working for a lot less money and/or even going on "missions" to other countries to work with devastated people who have literally nothing. But instead you see them charging $100 (or more) for a 15-minute office visit and driving very nice cars and living in very nice homes and taking very nice vacations (and many only "work" 4 or 5 hours a day, too); hardly suffering for their "cause" to "help" humanity, in my opinion. Not to drag this thing out any longer because it's getting really boring, but having been in the hospital more times than I care to remember since the age of 4, and being up at all hours while there, and getting to know MANY doctors and interns alike, and listening to their conversations (sometimes without them realizing it), I can assure you that the thought of "helping" people comes *AFTER* thoughts of money and what they'll be buying and where they'll be going in the future. Sorry to step on any toes here, but this is pure and honest observation; I have *nothing* to gain by making such statements. In fact, in a sense, I'm "biting the hand that feeds me" because I could have another lung collapse and be under their complete control tomorrow! But the truth is the truth. My own cousin is a surgeon who's been "varifying" this truth for the past 10 years to me with *many* stories of operations that don't need to be done and wrong drugs that are routinely given and other negligences that are swept under the rug continually. I personally TWICE IN THE PAST YEAR have had to prove to/remind my doctor of the drug mistakes he was making with me(!), but he wasn't paid any less for doing a bad job! They are, for the most part, untouchable -- and they know it. And *this* is where any "evil" inherent in the situation ferments (in my opinion). Even *if* they *do* get prosecuted for some mishap, they just pack up and move to another state and start a practice there! Amazingly, *VERY* few ever actually lose their license! By the way: My cousin is sick of it all and is planning on leaving the medical field; he's currently writing a book on The Bible. See ya! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Doctor bashing
Hi all. I agree with Mike D, W. D. Cavanaugh and all the rest who rallied in defense of those in the medical establishment who are possibly willing to cross the line into this/our dimension. My perspective/attitude on doctors in general is quite tainted because of having had to deal with them on a continual basis since I was 4 years old. I doubt that there are many on the list that can claim the same amount of experience. This does not make me an "expert" on ALL of them, but I can surely attest with great accuarcy to the high degree of hypocracy and lack of *real* concern for The Truth, whatever that may be -- at least in the field of Cystic Fibrosis research. It's like that old joke: A scientist puts a frog on a table and takes note of how far the frog jumped with all 4 legs -- after alarming it with a sound -- writing, "Frog jumped 3 feet with 4 legs". Then he removes 1 leg and presses the alarm again observing, "Frog jumped 2 feet with 2 legs". Then he removes another leg, presses the alarm and observes, "Frog jumped 6 inches with 1 leg". Finally, removing the 4th leg and pressing the alarm he writes, "Frog goes deaf". If the "doctors" are committed to *really* healing the sick, why are they barking up so many wrong trees to begin with? A perfect example of what I'm talking about is the fact that Joyce Inouye has posted on her site PROOF that Colloidal Silver KILLS THE VERY BACTERIA THAT KILL MOST OF CYSTIC FIBROSIS VICTIMS!! Studies done by an actual lab and even earlier reports from DECADES ago have confirmed it for all the doubters, not to mention my own experience! So why are these "healers" and supposedly truthful "doctors" with a mission to help humanity ignoring this information? Why is a friend of mine with the same disease not expected to live past the next week because all the drugs they've been giving him FOR THIS VERY SAME BACTERIA have ruined his kidneys and liver and other systems are now shutting down? That's where my attitude stems from. I *used* to blindly trust them [like most people] and now I'm paying for it. Most people with marginal "doctor" experience may not feel the same way, and -- as I said in my first "doctor-bashing" agreement -- there *are* some good ones out there who *are* just plain ignorant of these options [like CS] and *may* be willing to learn and *maybe* even risk their career JUST to help people, but they're so few and far between that I wouldn't hold my breath. Most wouldn't risk their entire schooling and high-paying career to start replacing their drugs with Colloidal Silver. They may *want* to or feel a sincere desire to do so, but sayin' ain't doin'. So they stay close to the security of their AMA masters while continuing to use many of the poisons they really don't need to and getting paid well for it. If *YOU* had invested in a long/expensive medical education and someone proved that half [or more] of the drugs you were prescribing and treatments you were getting paid for doing could cease because of a substance that can be made in someone's kitchen, would you cross that line? Move to Mexico? End up like Wilhelm Reich or Ruth Drown [and they weren't even "doctors"]? Most AMA "doctors" remind me of that scene from the film COOL HAND LUKE where Paul Newman is being put in "the box" for solitary confinement and the jailer apologizes because he's "just doing his job"; Luke says to him, "Callin' it a job don't make it right". I salute any doctor couragious enough to rebel against the mighty force of The Dark Gods, but the sad truth is that 98% of them simply won't. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: OFF TOPIC
You are correct. 98% the "doctors" in this country are scum. At best, they are educated idiots. *Some* surgeons *may* be an exception: When I had 12 hours to live because of a bad appendix that was leaking poisons into my system, I was grateful for sugery. In *some* cases they *are* necessary. Dameon ___ Thought you may like to know that the recent case here in Adelaide of a woman suing her "Dr" for negligence for misdiagnosis of breast cancer of which she is now dying ... she won her case... has had repercussions for the lawyer handling the case ...he was the Chairman of the Board at a major Community Hospital for many years but has had to resign due to threats to him and his family and to the hospital as the "Doctors" would not recommend patients to the hospital even though the hospital was not involved in the case while he remained Chairman of the Board ..he resigned on the basis that he did not want the hospital to suffer ...this to me is Mafia like tactics and does not paint a verify good picture of the medical "profession" Doctors apparently don't feel they are accountable for their mistakes and I feel the old story that they bury them is true.. also the above tactics makes one wonder about the ethics of the "profession" and if one wants to read the original story from the news paper I will obtain it and scan it in .. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS - colon bacteria
Listers - Since Mike D made reference to me "swishing" CS around in my mouth before swallowing, I thought I should jump in here: What I do EXACTLY is measure out 9cc/mls of WaterOz silver water and carefully squirt it under my tongue; then I look at the clock and try to decide right then how long I "feel" the need to hold it. Sometimes I "feel" that only 15 or 20 minutes will work, other times I "feel" that a full 30 minutes may be called for. It's kind of a body-mind discussion and a lot depends on how my disease (Cystic Fibrosis) has been acting up lately. Then I just sort of forget about it and get busy with something, remembering NOT TO SWALLOW, and keeping it mostly under my tongue. I >do< allow the swallowing reflex to work, but I'm careful NOT to swallow the >CS. I keep an eye on the clock and how my body's responding to the CS, if at >all. Many times I will go beyond the time I thought I would swallow by because >my body >seems< to want me to hold it longer. I started being this critical >after sensing a "shift" when holding it past a certain amount of time. Before >that I didn't care, then one day noticed that I could "sense" when the CS had >gotten to a certain level and it felt more intense than just 5-minutes >earlier. Maybe that's the "blood saturation level" that we should strive for >with this stuff... I don't know. But now I sorta wait for that to happen >whenever possible. Sometimes it takes longer than others, but usually ALWAYS >happens by around 30-minutes. Another >possible< benefit to holding it so long >is that it mixes with enzymes naturally produced in the mouth when something >is placed there through salivation. I have a >theory< that this in some ! ! way helps usher the CS through the wall of the stomach better since it's mixed with so much saliva by the time I finally swallow it. This came to mind after recalling what I once read an Indian Guru say regarding health in relation to diet & nutrition: "Drink your food and chew your water." His statement meant to concentrate more on how digestion begins in the mouth, and that the more time we take to >chew< our food -- or at least keep it in our mouth -- the more likely we are to get the most out of it. Do not under-rate the power of salivary enzymes! Since I started eating >much slower< my heartburn problems have greatly diminished. Chewing spearmint gum after eating also works great! Anyway, I do the above procedure after first getting up in the morning and drinking a fair amount of mineralized water first (about 1/2 liter) just to get the organs lubricated again after sleeping. Then after swallowing the CS, I don't eat or drink ANYTHING for >at least< another 30-minutes -- ! ! just to be sure that the CS has gotten as much into my system as possible. I repeat the same procedure at night approximately 12-hours after the morning dose of CS, making sure to have not eaten anything for at least 3-hours before... including any vitamins. Dameon ___ Silver, we are told, is filtered from the blood by the liver and excreted in the feces. So if someone taking CS has comparable levels of silver in the stool, that's a good thing. Intake = outgo = no accumulation! The good stuff happens in between where the body has adequate levels of silver available to work it's magic by whatever mechanism(s). Now, just where are the beneficial bacteria in the gut? In the colon, or in the small intestine, or both? Where does the liver dump the stuff it filters out of the blood? We don't really know if the silver goes quite "everywhere", in that blood levels might not affect what goes on in the intestine, for instance. What I'm casting about for here is the possibility that you can avoid total wipe-out of gut flora if the CS is primarily absorbed in the mouth and/or stomach. Some people (e.g. Dameon) take CS by swishing in the mouth for a number of minutes then swallowing it or even *spitting it out*. They are getting through the mucous membranes in the mouth and may not even touch their intestinal flora. I've nuked my flora, I'm pretty sure, by taking lots of CS for an extended period. Lacking the flora changed stool consistency and effected uptake of nutrients, I believe. I ended up with muscle and joint pain in my back and lower extremities that disappeared within 12 hours of drinking some of that calcium supplemented orange juice. So it is important to support your body's digestive process, and it *is* possible to disrupt it taking CS. We've got the "mouth-swish method", and people sipping large amounts of 3-5 ppm silver as their drinking water, plus methods of replacing the gut flora with yogurt or acidophilus, enzymes, etc. Any of these might be sufficient to avoid side effects while gaining the full benefit of the silver. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail mes
Re: CS - colon bacteria
Paul, Mike S and others - I'm going to chime in here: I already have major intestinal problems from Cystic Fibrosis. I can't even digest my own food without taking high-powered enteric coated time-release enzymes. I've been taking WaterOz silver water *heavy* for 8-months now, and I've had NO intestinal problems! Usually, if something's going to cause problems, I'm the perfect lab-rat because I feel it quickly. An earlier post said something about "ionic" silver killing the "good" intestinal flora... WaterOz supposedly *IS* "ionic" silver and, like I just said, I've had NO problemmo with it. Either this whole CS thing is *very* subjective, or there's a lot of misinformation flying around for whatever reason (probably monetary). It could also be more dependent on the quality of the product than we might suspect... who knows? All the more reason to establish a "standard" for making CS, perhaps. Or if the home-brew is giving you problems and you need serious help, try some pre-made brand and see if things change for the better! What have you got to lose, a few bucks? Just my opinion. Dameon ___ Paul, I'm thinking that the CS does make it through the stomach based on what I have observed. I have kicked intestinal flu with CS, and I happen to be one of those who ends up with other intestinal problems when I ingest CS. If I take some Acidophilus for a few days, everything seems to come back to normal. It may work differently on others, but CS seems to work on both the good and bad intestinal bacteria in me. Maybe it is actually something else besides the loss of good intestinal bacteria that causes me the problems. I think I'm going to have to try some experimentation and drag out my microscope as well. Vern. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: yogurt and CS, AGAIN!
Mike is very correct on this point! When I first tried CS it was under the wrong conditions and I was doing it the wrong way, so for months I didn't even pick it up again -- concluding it was "OK, but nothing special". Later -- after almost dying and being shocked into higher awareness (some called it "enlightened") -- I was forced into trying anything and everything very quickly but also realized that I needed to stay very focussed and be very scientific (methodologically speaking). It was only *then* that I became aware that the CS must be what's keeping my cultures "clear"! What a turn-around from my previous conclusion, and it was ALL in THE WAY I first approached it: I wasn't taking the right amount often enough, and when I did, I usually ate too soon afterward or before. There's even specualtion from some sources that the H2O2 I was taking when I first tried CS may have interfered and I've now heard that you should seperate drinking ozonated water from taking CS by at least 2 hours! And then there's the vitamin-C theory that IT interferes with CS because it acts like a chelating agent! These are all things I had to keep in mind and since I wasn't getting any definite answers from any reliable sources, I've decided to seperate the CS *completely* from *everything*! I take it all by it's lonesome on a completely empty stomach and -- after holding it under my tongue for 15-30 minutes -- swallow it and don't eat/drink *anything* for at least and hour. Then the first thing I eat/drink is usually distilled water with CONCENTRACE trace minerals added (2cc/mls per ONE liter of d-water). I ease into food, that way I *know* the CS is about as absorbed as it ever will be. It took quite a few mistakes to formulate this protocol, but it must be working since my cultures are clear, my energies are higher (which they NEVER were on antibiotics) and I'm coughing less! Everyone keep on experimenting, but don't let too much emotion get in the way of the chemistry. We're dealing with the "nuts-and-bolts" of chemical interactions here... we can be filled with glee AFTER the healing occurs, and *THAT* will be greatly improved if we can make some *solid* determinations. Dameon ___ Interesting work, Jim! Keep on... Just a side comment to anyone looking on: When you're watching experiments like Jim's as they are being done, it's important not to make too much of what you see, Jim's or anyone else's speculations while the work is in progress, or anything else. One or two tests serve nothing more than to teach the experimentalist a few things he didn't know about *how* he should be doing the experiments. Over time, the methods, results, conclusions, and resulting theory may change considerably. So, to avoid chasing after every phantom idea that will be tested and discarded along the way, be slow to draw conclusions. That's science, folks, whether done in the megabuck labs or one person's workshop! Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & Cystic Fibrosis
To my fellow Silver Warriors: Per usual, Mike D has given a thoroughly balanced opinion of the overall objective of this group! I fully agree that a lot of work needs to be done in the documentation of all aspects of silver making and it's uses. WaterOz just happens to be working in my situation and at levels of strength most people probably would not want/need to take (I'm up to 18cc/mls a day at 100+PPM and climbing til my body says otherwise). I think it's important to view ourselves not just as victims of illnesses that we're trying to cure, but as pioneers doing the research work that the AMA/FDA *should* be doing if things were being run honestly. *We* are the ones taking whatever risks there be and giving feedback to THE WORLD through this magical technology! This isn't *just* "a list", my friends, this is A FORUM OF INSIGHT INTO SUPERIOR POSSIBILITIES that could help stadiums of people in a single sweep! If someone had told me a year ago that the bottle of clear liquid sitting under my computer table would change my life so dramatically, I would have laughingly doubted them -- but it has. And if that's so for me, then it will be so for others as well... others who don't even suspect it yet but may stumble upon this group and all our "research" someday when they need it most. People desperate for relief from the hopelessness that's so easy to acquire through "conventional" methods of treatment. In other words: *COLLECTIVELY* we are more important than we can realize! It's up to us, now. Keep the faith and keep up the good work! I will continue to do my part and make known the information. Good luck to you all! Dameon The Silver Warrior __ Dameon is giving us some great insights into his treatment and experience. He's put together of a *lot* of different things which are helping him survive the disease. Thank you, sir! For the rest of us, I think we should try to become as well informed as we can, so we are able, like Dameon, to assemble a complement of tecniques to sustain our health or solve our health problems. CS is a useful component for such a regimen and a versitile tool. We need to continue to build our understanding of CS. That's what this group's for. > There seems to be an on-going debate about which silver is the > best. I know this: Concentration and penetration are key: If the > particles are smaller, they'll get into more places and be more > affective. The WaterOz product has obviously been effective for Dameon. When he first made contact with us, I was skeptical of it because of the high concentration claimed. This attitude comes from the baseless claims *some* vendors make, and simply *not* having the facilities to test and compare and categorize all the different products that are competing for our attention. I want to be able to *know* the particle size and concentration of a product, and have some way to objectively measure the effectiveness of a preparation. Without that, although we might know from Dameon's experience that WaterOz works, we won't know what *other* preparations might work, and most importantly, we won't know *why*. I'd like to resist the temptation to classify any one product as *best*, since different features are better in different situations. For some, cost might be more critical than a certain degree of effectiveness, particularly when dealing with less demanding conditions. For others, cost is no object. Then we've got folks for whom do-it-yourself is essential, like Cisco's folks out in Guam. What all have in common is the need to know that what they buy or make is safe and effective enough to produce results. Ultimately, I'd like us to be able to classify the various CS preparations, equipment, and methods by valid measures and properties. Then we could examine any new technique or product and be able to say, with reasonable certainty, whether or not it will work for its intended use. Then people will have the *most* options, because they will discover that a lot of different products work, and be able to avoid the ones that won't, and be able to tell the difference. > I hope all this makes it clear why I view this brand of silver > water so important. It's important because it *works*. What I want to know is *why*. Then we could point to the kinds of equipment that you would need to make something as good, or know why that wouldn't be practical. In any case, we at least would know our options. > ... Everytime I look at a bottle of drugs now I cringe and hope > that WaterOz keeps on working so that I never have to go on them > again! Amen to that! Thank you Dameon. I wish you well, brother. Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line.
Re: CS and yogurt
Thank you, Jim! Excellent work. It's exciting to see experimentation in
progress. I look forward to your future postings!
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CS & Cystic Fibrosis
Because Joyce Inouye had some questions: There seems to be an on-going debate about which silver is the best. I know this: Concentration and penetration are key: If the particles are smaller, they'll get into more places and be more affective. WaterOz silver has particles so small that it will even penetrate spinal fluid (claims the company). They'll also expell from the body more completely after doing their work (claims pro-CS sources). I can't prove any of this, but I know that enough CS must penetrate my heavily damaged lung tissue containing great amounts of very thick phlegm or it's worthless. Obviously, WaterOz does that or my cultures would not be coming back "clear". Plus, CF is not *really* a "lung disease" per say, the destruction is just more critical there; it's really a BODY disease in that it affects all kinds of other systems, too (like the pancreas, kidneys, bowels and sinuses). So the more the silver can penetrate, the better! And I have yet to hear of a home-brew kit that will produce completely clear liquid at the stated 100+PPM of WaterOz that is still clear -- they all have some tint: Golden or amber. I've seen CS as dark as maple syrup! If there's a tint, then light is refracting off LARGER-than-WaterOz particles. Everyone I know of having good results with their home-brewed CS isn't dealing with a disease as deadly as mine, so their bodies have room for error -- mine doesn't. And if they *do* have a disease as deadly as mine or don't think their CS is doing the job, they should switch to WaterOz before it's too late (my opinion). There are serious *reasons* why most CF victims die by 20 and many long before that. At 42, I am very ancient. If WaterOz is *working for me*, then that's important progress in the *treatment of* this disease (and if it ain't broke, don't fix it!). "Besides the smaller and more uniform size, is there a difference when you drink the silver?" See above and all past postings. "Is it more effective?" See above and all past postings. "What's different about the silver that makes you partial to it?" See above and all past postings. "Have you tried Soto's silver maker?" No. "Since you mentioned only the concentration and appearance of the silver, I wondered whether you were favoring WateOz by intellectual reasoning instead of by its effectiveness." I favor it because the proof's in the puddin'. I don't have the room to play "intellectual reasoning" games: I almost died twice in the past 7 months. This disease plays hardball. At 20 I had the rare opportunity of actually watching a CF victim die right in front of me while in the hospital for my own IV drug "treatment". My room was across the hall from this poor girl's. It was the middle of the night and I couldn't sleep. In all the comotion, nobody noticed me standing there. That changed me. To this day I wonder what forces were at work to bring that about since it is very unusual and restricted. I decided that night to fight and now I am one of the oldest CF victims in the world. Years ago when I was in much better health I did a lot of "intellectualizing" about avaliable solutions -- now I go with gut reaction: If it works, I stick with it til something makes the spinning top wobble. *Then* I get intellectual about what's causing the problem and immediately switch modes. Like recently: I began craving orange juice *bigtime*, so instead of juicing oranges, I broke open canned oj. Then I began to notice that every time I drank it I'd have terrific coughing spasms. When I checked the label I found that it contained oranges from Brasil and Mexico -- places where there's little or no restrictions on the use of very bad pesticides (like DDT!). NO MORE OJ. SPASMS STOPPED. "Do you feel better?" I never really feel "better" having CF, it's just more of a tolerable situation when using WaterOz and not the drugs. In my entire life I had ONE DAY where I actually felt completely free of the disease and very good, but I won't go into that because it's too complicated and had a lot to do with many circumstances. The goal here is to keep lung damage from progressing til a major breakthrough in transplant or regeneration methodologies occurs. The hope is that I can hold out long enough to actually get new versions of my own lungs (grown in a big jar in Sweden, probably) so there's no rejection complications from someone else's tissue. Even the idea of having another person's lungs repulses me -- even IF science solves the rejection problems. I'll go with that if I have to, but I'd actually prefer getting a new pair of my own lungs that still have the CF problem, than to have someone else's organs! I can deal with this disease now for the rest of my life, I just need to breathe better! With new lungs from my own tissue that don't have all the scar-tissue of my present versions, I can keep them going til I'm 90 and feel like a million bucks! I know so much about good nutrition and preventing lung damage now that it w
MORE ABOUT WATEROZ
For those who *do* end up trying this silver water, here's some additional important info: I was told by the company NOT to set the gallon on concrete (basement, garage); for some reason this will "zap" the charge from the colloidal suspension. Also, they suggest keeping it in a cool place out of direct contact with sunlight. I keep mine on the stairs to the basement where it's kinda cool and dark. I refill a smaller bottle that empties quickly every week. I know a woman who keeps it in the fridge... not sure if that's necessary. Also, as one last precaution, I keep it away from magnets or anything with a magnetic field (stereo speakers, motors). Never heard anything to the contrary, but don't know if magnetic fields will affect it. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
WATEROZ INFO BY REQUEST
I've had so many off-line requests for WaterOz info that I've decided to post it. http://www.waterozm.com/ Here's the woman who's been helping me (she's very nice but a terrible typist): LillyLucas Lillian's toll-free #: 1-888-926-0220 A pint of WaterOz Silver Mineral Water is around $20 and a gallon goes for around $60 (including shipping, I think). They also make other colloidals (tho they don't call them "colloidal") like platinum water, zinc water, selenium water and magnesium water (copper). All have high amounts of the metal/minerals they represent (50-100+ PPM) and I think they just raised the PPM of magnesium water to a whopping 1200! I remember talking to a research chemist 20 years ago on the importance of magnesium (copper) in achieving near miraculous healing results from it's use. That and vit-C were used together in their experiments, but I don't have the proportions. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and Milk -- ATTN: BJS
Here's the site for WaterOz : http://www.waterozm.com/ Here's the woman I've been dealing with (very nice, but a bad typist): LillyLucas Lillian's toll-free #: 1-888-926-0220 WaterOz silver mineral water is $20 a pint and around $60 a gallon. The dif between WaterOz and the SOTA -- or any other home-brew unit -- is that the WaterOz is much more concentrated (100+PPM) and the particles are very much smaller and more uniform. They're probably using a very expensive ($10,000) industrial-grade silver maker. I've talked with a main man at the company but he wouldn't say. Their stuff is as clear as water but has lots of silver (it dries on a white plate to a dark gray). They also make other goodies, like colloidal platinum, zinc and magnesium (copper). They also sell an ozone machine but it is NOT rated for medical grade ozone production. To get one of those, you'll have to make the leap into the $1200 - $3000 range. Plus you'll need a source for pure O2. WaterOz's machine will make ozone from room air, but will also create toxins because of this; you can drink ozonated water from it, though. As for the ozone generators for purifying the air, there have been *some* reports of lung irritation from these, but it may be a very subjective thing. Some people are just too sensitive. Hope this helps. Dameon - Do any of you know how the silver made by SOTA Instruments Inc. (the company recommended by Dr. Hulda Clark for zapper) compare with WaterOz? What is WaterOz's web site? Does WaterOz have both silver and ozone? Do you make your own ozone water? I know of a company that sells an instrument to make ozonated water. They also sell an ozone generator to purify the air. Forgive me if I'm way off base, but I haven't been keeping up with the news, and have been contemplating which silver maker (or ozone maker) to get. :) Joyce -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and Milk -- ATTN: BJS
BJS - Glad you posted this response! I bought a silver maker but never used it because my success with WaterOz has been so fantastic! It's like: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". I just heard from Lillian, who I get it from, and she said that a doctor in England just ordered 16 gallons of all the WaterOz products to use like medicine at his clinic! He had them tested and was very impressed -- found that they're the PPM like the company claims. I'm on my 2nd gallon of WaterOz mineral water! It was recommended to me in the first place by and *excellent* friend (who also got me into ozone) way back when I first started my search for greater health truths on the Net. That seems like an eternity ago, so much has happened since then... but the WaterOz is still with me and working GREAT! Have a good day. Dameon ~~~ > I tried the "milk test" as well, and my results were exactly the same as > yours. My CS tested 15ppm on the Hanna WP-1, and I used one teaspoon in a > half gallon of milk. Perhaps this is simply too little silver, or too much > milk. > > Dean The CS I have made also does not protect the milk very well. That is why I still buy the stuff. Water Oz CS keep it from even smelling for several days. It seemed to be very drinkable, but declined the temptation. It is labled at 100 ppm. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
IMPORTANT Cystic Fibrosis/CS UPDATE: ATTN: BJS
*I tried sending this to bjs1...@theramp.net and it came back to me.* Yeah, I *was* -- along with H2O2 and even putting H202 into my O2 concentrator's humidifier. But after a lung collapse 6 weeks ago I conferred with someone who's an expert on the subject and they agreed with my suspicion that maybe the O2 (as in O3 broken down) had something to do with it. A big problem with CF lungs is that they become like balloons with "worn down areas" that can pop at anytime. That apparently happened -- even though my cultures were clear -- because of all the years before Colloidal Silver and ozone. The ozone and H2O2 were likely irritations. Plus, I've reached the point where my blood retains too much CO2 after the O2 is used up, and that adds to the problems. Funny how much difference a couple years can make: If I'd discovered all the things I'm doing now in '96, I could have probably lived a much longer healthier life. It's like I'm just a little too late. I'm just below that line of comfort and safety. Before I was just looking at the mine field, now I'm walking in it. Dameon > To all concerned, ESPECIALLY those with Cystic Fibrosis (it's a long > one, so grab a snack!): Didn't you mention that you were drinking some ozone water awhile back? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: IMPORTANT Cystic Fibrosis/CS UPDATE
Great, Mike!! *THAT'S* why I posted it! I didn't want to "jump the gun" and will be even happier over the next few months if the reports come back the same, but I do ask that my post #2 be passed on instead of #1 since I stupidly omitted the amount of silver water I've been taking a day; I think that's key. I started out doing very little and didn't get these results (maybe due to the amount of infections in CF lungs); then I began taking a lot and felt like I was having an "allergic" reaction so I called the woman I get the WaterOz from and she advised cutting back incrementally til I felt right. 10-12cc/mls a day feels right -- for now. Fighting on - Dameon ~~~ Dameon, IMPORTANT isn't strong enough. All I can say is thank you. My wife has cousins with CF. I'll pass the info on to her. I say in all earnestness, Be Well! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
IMPORTANT Cystic Fibrosis/CS UPDATE#2
I forgot to mention in the first edition that the amount of silver water I've been taking is 10-12cc/mls a day -- half in the morning and half at night -- on a completely empty stomach, HELD UNDER THE TONGUE for 15-30 minutes before swallowing. OK... NOW read the rest! ~ To all concerned, ESPECIALLY those with Cystic Fibrosis (it's a long one, so grab a snack!): As most of you know, I have Cystic Fibrosis (CF) -- a killer "genetic" disease with no known cure as of yet. I have reported periodically on the results of my mucous culture reports as they pertain to the use of Colloidal Silver directly. What makes these culture studies so important is that they are really the guiding light for the CF "doctors" in how they will treat a patient from month to month, which means primarily what drugs they will choose to bombard the poor individual with that will most likely make them as sick (or sicker) than the disease itself (if not immediately, then eventually). Before this latest update I wanted to wait for my most recent report to confirm what I've been suspecting for quite some time: That Colloidal Silver is capable of greatly reducing -- or completely negating -- the use of MOST OR ALL the drugs used in treating lung infections brought on by this deadly disease! It is now confirmed: COLLOIDAL SILVER WORKS! I have had more "clear" culture reports over the past year than ever in my life! Previous to the use of C-Silver, the ONLY way I was able to obtain "clear" cultures was to be admitted into the hospital for a 3-week, 24-hour a day I.V. injection routine of very toxic antibiotics and even then, the cultures would sometimes return with "abnormal flora" results. But *if* the drugs did work to stop the lung infections, within weeks of leaving the hospital, the infections would come back -- even though I was taking powerful oral antibiotics at 2-4 times the normal dose! Then I discovered 2 ways (so far) to achieve keeping my cultures "clear" -- both of which are outside the scope of "approved" medicine in America: Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation and Colloidal Silver. The UBI treatments were *excellent* (but costly) at neutralizing ALL lung infections last summer, at which time I used little or no C-Silver; but since those ended, I have used *nothing but* C-Silver for the treatment of my lung infections! I could have waited another month to file this report, but I think it's obvious enough by now that IT WORKS, and that's all that counts! I will continue to give updates for the sake of all who are "keeping the faith" in this amazing substance for your own ills, and also for any of you who may actually have CF (or know someone who does). FOR ANYONE KNOWING THE SERIOUSNESS THIS DISEASE OR WHO MAY BE LIVING WITH IT PERSONALLY, YOU WILL REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THIS INFORMATION IS. Repeated lung infections lead to massive scar-tissue that eventuates in death! Stop the lung infections, and you affectively stop the worst aspect of the disease! If I'd had C-Silver just a few years ago, I would not have to be going on the lung transplant list now! And I can tell you I'm very frightened. The prognosis for CF lung transplants is NOT good, and the really sad thing is that it could have been avoided if the lung infections could have been kept at bay for all these years. In keeping with strict "scientific protocol", I feel that it's important to mention at this time the EXACT type of Colloidal Silver that I've been using to achieve these amazing results (at the risk of sounding like I'm selling a particular product): The brand is called WaterOz Silver Mineral Water (the company refuses to call it "colloidal", though it *is* a colloidal suspension). I feel mentioning this is imporant because I *may not* have achieved the same results with "home-brewed" C-Silver. To be honest, I was far too weak and attending to so many things after almost dying last November that I preferred the "ready-made" convenience of WaterOz. It was strictly circumstantial "luck" that I happened to choose this brand; perhaps others would be as affective -- I don't know. But I *DO KNOW* that these culture reports are very thorough and are rarely mistaken -- especially this many times in a one-year period! So I must conclude that the WaterOz Silver Mineral Water is more powerful than drugs like CIPROFLOXACIN HYDROCHLORIDE and SULFANETHOXAZOLE and NORFLOXACIN and CLINDAMYCIN -- just to name a few of the *many* that are prescribed on a regular basis and taken for YEARS with no lasting affect! It even beats some of the most powerful new drugs to come out for CF, like TOBRAMYCIN AEROSOL (which costs $13,000 a year!!). I cannot emphasize enough how important this information is in the treatment of this disease; some of the drugs used are so toxic that patients given them can begin coughing up -- and even urinating -- blood! Other drugs induce side-affects similar to being sea-sick or prevent walking altoge
IMPORTANT Cystic Fibrosis/CS UPDATE
To all concerned, ESPECIALLY those with Cystic Fibrosis (it's a long one, so grab a snack!): As most of you know, I have Cystic Fibrosis (CF) -- a killer "genetic" disease with no known cure as of yet. I have reported periodically on the results of my mucous culture reports as they pertain to the use of Colloidal Silver directly. What makes these culture studies so important is that they are really the guiding light for the CF "doctors" in how they will treat a patient from month to month, which means primarily what drugs they will choose to bombard the poor individual with that will most likely make them as sick (or sicker) than the disease itself (if not immediately, then eventually). Before this latest update I wanted to wait for my most recent report to confirm what I've been suspecting for quite some time: That Colloidal Silver is capable of greatly reducing -- or completely negating -- the use of MOST OR ALL the drugs used in treating lung infections brought on by this deadly disease! It is now confirmed: COLLOIDAL SILVER WORKS! I have had more "clear" culture reports over the past year than ever in my life! Previous to the use of C-Silver, the ONLY way I was able to obtain "clear" cultures was to be admitted into the hospital for a 3-week, 24-hour a day I.V. injection routine of very toxic antibiotics and even then, the cultures would sometimes return with "abnormal flora" results. But *if* the drugs did work to stop the lung infections, within weeks of leaving the hospital, the infections would come back -- even though I was taking powerful oral antibiotics at 2-4 times the normal dose! Then I discovered 2 ways (so far) to achieve keeping my cultures "clear" -- both of which are outside the scope of "approved" medicine in America: Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation and Colloidal Silver. The UBI treatments were *excellent* (but costly) at neutralizing ALL lung infections last summer, at which time I used little or no C-Silver; but since those ended, I have used *nothing but* C-Silver for the treatment of my lung infections! I could have waited another month to file this report, but I think it's obvious enough by now that IT WORKS, and that's all that counts! I will continue to give updates for the sake of all who are "keeping the faith" in this amazing substance for your own ills, and also for any of you who may actually have CF (or know someone who does). FOR ANYONE KNOWING THE SERIOUSNESS THIS DISEASE OR WHO MAY BE LIVING WITH IT PERSONALLY, YOU WILL REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THIS INFORMATION IS. Repeated lung infections lead to massive scar-tissue that eventuates in death! Stop the lung infections, and you affectively stop the worst aspect of the disease! If I'd had C-Silver just a few years ago, I would not have to be going on the lung transplant list now! And I can tell you I'm very frightened. The prognosis for CF lung transplants is NOT good, and the really sad thing is that it could have been avoided if the lung infections could have been kept at bay for all these years. In keeping with strict "scientific protocol", I feel that it's important to mention at this time the EXACT type of Colloidal Silver that I've been using to achieve these amazing results (at the risk of sounding like I'm selling a particular product): The brand is called WaterOz Silver Mineral Water (the company refuses to call it "colloidal", though it *is* a colloidal suspension). I feel mentioning this is imporant because I *may not* have achieved the same results with "home-brewed" C-Silver. To be honest, I was far too weak and attending to so many things after almost dying last November that I preferred the "ready-made" convenience of WaterOz. It was strictly circumstantial "luck" that I happened to choose this brand; perhaps others would be as affective -- I don't know. But I *DO KNOW* that these culture reports are very thorough and are rarely mistaken -- especially this many times in a one-year period! So I must conclude that the WaterOz Silver Mineral Water is more powerful than drugs like CIPROFLOXACIN HYDROCHLORIDE and SULFANETHOXAZOLE and NORFLOXACIN and CLINDAMYCIN -- just to name a few of the *many* that are prescribed on a regular basis and taken for YEARS with no lasting affect! It even beats some of the most powerful new drugs to come out for CF, like TOBRAMYCIN AEROSOL (which costs $13,000 a year!!). I cannot emphasize enough how important this information is in the treatment of this disease; some of the drugs used are so toxic that patients given them can begin coughing up -- and even urinating -- blood! Other drugs induce side-affects similar to being sea-sick or prevent walking altogether, and nausia is usually a given with even the "milder" drugs. One drug called COLISTIMETHATE SODIUM (Coly-Mycin©) causes serious migrain headaches in many patients! The fact that the CF "community" and medical INDUSTRY continues to ignore the serious effectiveness of Colloidal Silver merely proves, once again, where their heart$
Re: ATTN: bjs1779: H2O2 & C-SILVER?
I was actually thinking of : H2O2 one month and c-silver the next; on one a month and off one a month. What I heard was that c-silver has to build up in the tissues for maximum benefit and that H2O2 works to chelate metals out of the body -- including silver. Or that H202 will react *against* silver altogether like a sort of corrosion due to the O2 molecule. ~~~ > I heard that H202 or OZONE can oxidize silver and *maybe* should be used > at completely seperate times? > > Dameon > > ~ I think that is pretty much consistant with what I said. But they do put CS in h2o2 for the food industry. Just something to keep in mind. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Holding the PSA down below 4.0 in older men.
"...after 3 "cycles" of Colloidal Silver then start using a specially modified RIFE/BARE device built by DON TUNNEY.Currently, this device is being tested on a volunteer who has a particularly nasty recurring PROSTATE CANCER problem. As of today, this volunteer seems to be experiencing the kind of reaction that most cancer people get when the device works for them." I was curious to know what modifications these are, if you can discuss them? Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
ATTN: bjs1779: H2O2 & C-SILVER?
I heard that H202 or OZONE can oxidize silver and *maybe* should be used at completely seperate times? Dameon ~ Joyce Inouye wrote: > > It may be a good idea make ozone water. I wonder whether colloidal silver > and ozone would work synergistically is getting rid of pathogens in our > body? > > I've read that ozone kills HIV virus, and it's possible to reverse the > condition in a month. But whenever a doctor in the United States used to > try ozone experiments, the FDA closed them down. You can read a little > about ozone at the following web site. Click on Ozone. > > http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01 Ozone water is great. It is much safer that h2o2 because water is limited as to how much ozone it can hold. No chance of overdose. It also must be drank immediatly after ozoning in order to get the oxygenation effect. Detox factors still apply, so it is advisable to start slow. I suspect that ozone and colloidal silver would complimment each other, but maybe not taken at the same time. Although some food grade h2o2 does contain colloidal silver in order to make it more effective. So maybe the oxidation factor of CS is not a great concern. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
ATTN: SUSAN -- Microwave Article
Hi Susan! If you send a copy to Virginia, could you CC me one, too?? Thanks! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
H2O2 BY THE CASE?
Hello - Awhile back someone posted that they had a line on where to buy food-grade H202 and was offering to get a case of 12 (I think) if others would go in on it to lessen the expense. I was wondering who that was and if they could contact me about this place? Thanks. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: hello -- THIS IS FUNNY!
"Judging by the amount of traffic on this list for the last few days, I think I will cut down on my silver intake. bjs" I had to laugh when I read this! THANKS FOR THE UPLIFT, BJS -- I needed that! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: AC SILVER
Hello! Could you please tell me where you got your generator from and how much you paid? Thanks! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS nasal spray
While CS as nasal-spray MAY work well, I've tried it in a nebulizer used normally for delivering antibiotics to the lungs and it's NOT recommended. I tried it 5 times for the serious lung infections brought on by Cystic Fibrosis and every time had a bad reaction: The feeling of suffication. I couldn't understand this since I was using silver mineral water from WaterOz, which has 100+PPM the size of ions (according to the bottle). I would try it, have a bad reaction, and then try it again in a week to see if it happened again. Bad reaction everytime. Then I met someone who is quite learned in natural healing remedies and has built 2 Rife machines -- one of which he used to cure his mother of bone cancer -- and said that breathing CS through a nebulizer may be depositing the silver particles into the tiny alvioli(sp) that the O2 molecule enters through and blocking it... that made sense to me! He told me to remember that we're not dealing with a soluable chemical here, but with a PARTICLE -- and that's a lot bigger than an O2 molecule! I feel that I gave nebulizing CS a real chance and it it didn't work... not yet, anyway. And that's too bad because I thought I'd surely be the perfect "lab-rat" since I have continual lung infections from CF. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all eyes. ~~~ PETE WROTE: "## A nebuliser also works very well at delivering the cs as a very fine mist.This may be a viable option especially for those who contract viral type asthma.I have just been looking at the parasite pictures recently referenced by Rip on the Rife list;some of the parasites enter into the lungs at some part of their life-cycle,so would be exposed to the cs if it was delivered by a nebuliser .And,I am glad to confirm cs effectiveness as experienced by my dear wife, who (sceptically) sprayed some into her nostrils and experienced an overnight removal of a very painful sinus condition.I was glad of her scepticism as it may somewhat remove the placebo/persuaded soul effect. your fellow lister, pete" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Blood/brain barrier -- GOOD QUESTION!!
Sorry if I'm tuning in late, folks, but this seems to be a very good question! Does anyone have knowledge about this topic?? CAN c-silver cross the blood/brain barrier and settle in the brain?? I read that a large amounts of alluminum has been found in the brains of alzheimers victims -- which could be linked to years of using anti-perspirants containing it! And THAT'S through the skin! We're DRINKING silver!! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Okay, here's my year 2000 post! - FROM DAMEON
To one and all - I wasn't going to stick my nose into this at all, but after seeing Mike D's post I took it as "a sign": Something that concerns me far more than whether man's world of computer contraptions starts to melt-down is a little date called 5-5-2000. Many of you may not be aware that on this date MOST of the planets in our solar system are going to align!! Several "experts" on the subject have implied dramatic Earth-shifts because of the gravitational affects (read Velikovsky's "Earth In Upheaval" for theories about this happening before)! When you consider how *just* the moon and sun spot activity affects things here on planet earth, it don't bode well for us. Just as an aside: You may surprised at what you find if you did some research into how sun spots have affected life here throughout history... and they're NOTHING compared to a major planetary alignment! They're now saying that some of the 100,000 or so asteroids that are whizzing around us at a relatively safe distance and angle could EASILY be swayed in our direction from this kind of alignment; so *even if* we don't experience something directly from the gravity, it COULD point one or more rocks toward earth's path with only a "sneeze". Scientisits know that asteroids can change course dramatically from just the release of gasses that they exude from stored ice they carry (thus the term "sneeze"); add the intense gravitational affects of a major planetary alignment to that and you have a recipe for disaster! And don't forget: It would only take ONE asteroid the size of a small house hitting in the right spot to completely ruin civilization as we know it -- and most of life on the planet (or it's surface, anyway)! Of course, I HOPE TO GOD THEY'RE WRONG, but it *IS* quite possible that thing's will be pretty different very soon -- whether computers fail or not! When you consider EVERYTHING that's happening -- from what I said above to the increase in world chaos to all the nuclear warheads still sitting around to envirenmental destruction to over-population and strange new germs turning up to even the Mayan calander (and others) showing time running out by 2017(?), it's can be frightening. But Mike D is right: The focus has got to be on TODAY. There's nothing we can do about most (or any) of this, so getting the job done in our little "sector" of "reality" becomes the most important thing and sharing information for the improvement of other "sectors" will hopefully cause a balance to flourish, even in the face of all these bad odds. There is much work to be done... Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
AN APOLOGY TO DARRYL & LIST
Dear listers: This is an apology to all of you -- and ESPECIALLY Darryl -- for the way I over-reacted toward a fellow truth seeker. I felt attacked by his initial response to my possibly ignorant suggestion that drinking distilled water indefinitely COULD lead to undesirable affects. My reaction was no doubt due in part to the bad news that day that my "doctors" are INSISTING on putting a tube in my stomach for as long as a year to make me gain weight... but that is no excuse for me to act as aggressively as I did. We all have problems; that's why we're here. As I wrote to my dear friend Cisco privately, this feeling of gasping for air all the time has begun taking it's toll and after this recent lung collapse is even worse; it tends to put a person "on edge". But that's my own private hell and I don't have the right to include others. I do NOT seek pitty, just sharing the facts. I can only hope that somewhere between all the not-so-friendly remarks, someone may have gained SOMETHING from the exchange of information. Darryl wrote to me expressing that he feels I have/had something to do with him being removed from the list. I don't know anything about this and I am VERY SORRY if he has been! I ask that he PLEASE be allowed back on, IF in fact this is true! Once again, my apologies to ALL. It won't happen again. Dameon Likowski -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: distilled water: NOT -- ATTN: "Darryyll"
Wow... you are rally brainwashed. You should read more than one book. DEAD WATER: As in LOW oxygen content; as in NOTHING NUTRITIONAL; as in LITTLE OR NO ELECTRICAL CONDUCTIVITY -- which is one of the important functions of minerals in the first place; as in SITTING ON THE STORE'S SHELVES FOR DAYS-WEEKS-MONTHS after being bottled in less than sterile conditions in less than sterile bottles; as in NOT GIVING ENOUGH TO ORGANISMS WHO ARE MOSTLY MADE UP OF WATER!... is THAT a clear enough definition of DEAD for ya??! Based upon what most nutritionists worth their salt (another mineral) would agree -- that the ideal amount of water we all SHOULD BE DRINKING everyday is around 64 ounces -- it damn well better be nutritious, minerally speaking! If (like you say below) d-water is so "sterile" that nothing can grow in it, then why don't they use it in hospitals for washing patient's surgery areas where sterile water is a requirement? I work with paints, and the bottles that the water-based paints are kept in have to be washed with alcohol first BECAUSE THE DISTILLED WATER MIXED WITH THE PAINTS *PROMOTES* THE GROWTH OF ORGANISMS -- NOT HINDERS!! That info was told to me by the quality-control department of the biggest paint company in the country who cannot afford to have mold growing in their product after reaching the stores!! They first ADD distilled water to keep the acrylic paint quality high, then have to add a preservative TO KEEP "BUGS" FROM GROWING! I don't believe a multi-million dollar company would waste resources doing this IF d-water actually reduced the ability for organisms/fungi/mold to grow. As for YOU continuing to drink and cook with d-water: GO FOR IT! Like I said, my "warning" doesn't apply to people like you but to those attempting to refine their methods a bit more. There's about a million WORSE things one can do besides drinking distilled water all the time; one day of breathing downtown city air is probably worse than a year of drinking d-water! But as I also said: Why take chances? Why stress the system any further? REMEMBER: YOU ARE MOSTLY WATER. I don't have to quote every study or theory or debate that ever happened over the d-water issue... Nature itself shows us what's right: ALL WATER ON THE PLANET *NATURALLY* HAS SOME KIND OF MINERALS ALREADY IN IT, so I guess mineral water is the correct water. Go ahead and drink nothing but distilled water -- you're entitled to your ignorance. Freedom of choice (and to debate these issues) is the wonderful thing about America! I pointed out the Web sites I did for mineral supplimentation because RIGHT NOW they seem like the best options -- but that could change next week! It's the beauty of the Internet: You never know when the next great piece of *better* information will come popping up! And besides, if you've had the excellent health that you say you've had all your life, your opinion isn't even important to people in MY boat: *We're* the one's fighting the REAL WAR. When you live with DEATH STARING YOU IN THE FACE EVERY DAY FROM INFANCY and have known little more than pain and discomfort, people like you don't even count; you can't even *begin* to know what that's like... you can THINK you do, but that's only in your dreams, homeboy. Ever watch the "Bob Newhart Show"? I think the name "Darryyll" suits you: "I should not place a large amount of money on it if I was you!" I rest my case. Dameon ONCE AGAIN, FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO IMPROVE THEIR HEALTH: "CONCENTRACE" mineral drops: http://www.traceminerals.com/index.html) or go to: http://www.alkalife.com/ and buy "AlkaLife" specifically designed to be added to distilled water to raise the body's alkaline level. A 2-month supply is only $15 and it will help wash out waste from the body, which is acid in nature and leads to disease. ~ >1) I'm afraid your over-reaction to the very valid warning I gave just made *YOU* look "nutty", buddy. It is a well-known fact that d-water is, indeed, DEAD. So back to the dead water deal hey? How did it die? What did it die from? If you want to use the term "death" then it must be shown to be dead! Who said it is well known? Where are the references? These are all myths that have been around for a long time, that cause people to miss out on the magnificent benefits of distilled water >There is NO NUTRITIONAL VALUE WHAT-SO-EVER. There is no nutritional value in water unless the minerals are in organic form, as they are in the inorganic form only when normally found in water they have little or no nutritional water just like rain water .are you also making a case that rain water will be harmful to your health? >Any PH test paper will prove that it has a higher acid level Wrong again distilled water is pH neutral, and only becomes acidic from reaction to the Carbon dioxide in the air when left " uncovered". >and RAIN WATER doesn't even apply here. Why it is distilled water
Re: distilled water -- ATTN: "Darryyll"
1) I'm afraid your over-reaction to the very valid warning I gave just made *YOU* look "nutty", buddy. It is a well-known fact that d-water is, indeed, DEAD. There is NO NUTRITIONAL VALUE WHAT-SO-EVER. Any PH test paper will prove that it has a higher acid level (which contributes to disease) than even tap water, and RAIN WATER doesn't even apply here. Do some research into why Japanese doctors actually prescribe microwater units as therapy for sick people in Japan. You know, Japan? -- where they refined the use of Co-Enzyme Q10? But you probably think I'm trying to "sell" something right now, and that CoQ10 is hog-wash also, right? And as for my "poor nutrient uptake", many on this list already know that I've been using EXCELLENT nutritional skills for almost 22 years (probably since before you could spell the word "nutrient") and have read a mountain of literature AND tried just about everything known to man -- including a trip to the Philippinnes for psychic surgery. So I would bet that YOU'RE "education" is GREATLY LACKING in terms of actual experience, compared to mine. IT IS A FACT THAT DISTILLED WATER LEECHES MINERALS FROM THE BODY: Basic Nutrition, room 101. Exactly HOW much leeaching occurs depends on many factors and won't apply the same to everyone, but why add stress to the system? If you want to get the "bad" heavy-metals out of your body, there are better ways than the lame "chelating affect" of distilled water! 2) I'm not trying to promote or "sell" ANYTHING here -- just passing info like everyone else. Now, if YOU want to IGNORANTLY BELIEVE that d-water is just fine over long-term use, then keep right on using it! You probably think eating cheese is OK, too! (And Adelle Davis -- a leading "nutritionist" and proponent of liver-eating -- couldn't understand why she got cancer and died back in the 1970's either!) My "warning" was sent out to those on the list who want to "push the envelope" of body cleansing, and plastic-bottled distilled water that's been sitting around for who-knows-how-long just don't cut it; it certainly beats any tap water out there by light years (except for possibly homes with a well or spring) but there are so many variables involved with commercial distilled water that one never really knows WHAT they're getting. And while MOST people can't afford a quality home distiller to make it fresh all the time, they CAN add minerals to it to bring it "back to life" and H202 to make sure any bugs growing in it from the factory setting are killed off. SEE HOW IT WORKS?? GET A REAL EDUCATION. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE DABBLING IN MAKING COLLOIDAL SILVER NOW DOESN'T MAKE YOU SMART. Some of us out here have been fighting a life-and-death WAR EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES. And for anyone thinking that you can get TOO MUCH MINERALS, there's tribes and peoples around the world who live into their 90's and beyond who scientists have found drink water with TONS of minerals daily! H could there be a connection??!! I say better to be safe than sorry. 3) One more thing: As I've repeatedly stated (add nausium) on this list, I have a SERIOUS, FATAL DISEASE called Cystic Fibrosis and have SOMEHOW MANAGED to make it into the 1% catagory of survivors for my age (42) with my methodologies while MOST CF victims die by 20 or 30! I'd say I probably know what I'm doing! Can *YOU* make THAT claim, "Darryyll"? DAMEON~L ~~ From: "Darryl " I have to comment >You should NOT be drinking straight distilled water without adding nutrients to it; it's very acid and will actually contribute to bad health. Unfortunately this information is wrong and wrong totally, distilled water is not an acid water and is in no way harmful to anyones health, would anyone argue they should not drink rain water ??? probably the only water anyone should drink anyway ! this is straight out disinformation , what ever is dead water anyway ? This info is a sales pitch only to sell a product not at all needed for pure distilled water I have ONLY been drinking, cooking with, etc, distilled water since 1980 ...that is enough time for me to know I should continue to do so !!! ...and use for all my C/S making ...the equally fraudulent claims by people promoting the nutty Grander water energisers at exorbitant prices would have you believe you are drinking so called " dead water " would be cheering this nutty post >I've been drinking it for 8 years and recently learned that I have "mineral deficiency syndrome" -- even tho I take lots of minerals every day! Sorry old son ...if you are mineral deficient it has not been caused by drinking distilled water, but by poor nutrient uptake and diet >Last October I severely fractured a rib to the point where it was actually sticking out like a lump from my side -- completely seperated from the rib cage -- from just coughing while I had a cold! So what does this have to do with drinking distilled water ? Try reading
Re: TDS 1
"All batches come out clear with a slight yellow tint when viewed in the light. I also drink 64 oz of distilled water per day. I have had very bad kidney infections for the past ten yrs, and it got to the point that I was on antibiotics full time. For the past 9 months I have been taking 4 oz of the CS everyday, I stoped all antibiotics and my last three urine tests have showed no bacteria growth." You should NOT be drinking straight distilled water without adding nutrients to it; it's very acid and will actually contribute to bad health. I've been drinking it for 8 years and recently learned that I have "mineral deficiency syndrome" -- even tho I take lots of minerals every day! Last October I severely fractured a rib to the point where it was actually sticking out like a lump from my side -- completely seperated from the rib cage -- from just coughing while I had a cold! D-water tends to pull too much out of the body because it's DEAD water. It needs to have minerals added (like "CONCENTRACE" mineral drops: http://www.traceminerals.com/index.html) or go to: http://www.alkalife.com/ and buy "AlkaLife" specifically designed to be added to D-water to raise it's alkaline level. A 2-month supply is only $15 and it will also help wash out waste from the body, which is acid in nature. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: solar distiller
Seems like the most practical poor-man's approach would be to first distill the water and then deal with the mildew seperately by spraying or dowsing it with the C-Silver elixar. Can't say for sure, tho. Dameon From: Michael C Slivinski Hello all , regarding mildew... does mildew develope in a bowl that might be made of silver or is silver plated??? What if the water that collects and drips into a contaner that is primed with some cs... wouldn't that assure some more degree of purity..or at least keep some of those little buggers out?? thanks mike slivinski >Jim, > >There is a group that sells themat their site they also show you how >they are builtwe just down loaded it and built from hunt and >peck...it works well in the tropics. We get as much as 8 gallons per day >and have had it dump out 12 on high humidity days...I am still searching >for the sitewill advise. > >Eh ya also gotta keep it real clean or mildew takes up house keeping. > >Cisco > > > >jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: >> >> > >> . To make a solar distiller is >> > quite simple and this will eliminate your requirement for buying >> > distilled water or taking risks with R-O water. >> > >> > Just offering what we find necessary to maintain a quality product. >> > >> > Cisco >> > >> > >> Cisco, >> If you don't mind, would you please post to the list how to make a >> solar distiller. I would love to have a distiller, but can't afford >> to let go of $200+ right now. >> Thanks for your help, and the wonderful work you do for the people >> there. >> God Bless you and your ministry! >> Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
A SILVER STORY
Hello all - I'm sure many of you know of me by now. With all the reminding and whining I've done about having Cystic Fibrosis, I thought you'd all find the following tale encouraging: After almost dying 5 months ago, I left the hospital determined NOT to check out just yet. A major part of that determination rested on the daily usage of CSilver -- whether I "felt" it doing anything or not! I began hitting this disease with everything I've got, both in terms of knowledge *and* machinery. So I started using a product called "Silver Mineral Water" from a company called WaterOz, which I'd bought earlier but used little of. It is completely clear and comes in a clear plastic bottle and claims to have 100+ PPM silver content (I never had it tested so can't say for sure)... all the "no-no's" of what silver water is supposed to look like and be contained in (according to some folks on the list). With this illness, one of the key ways for determining what's going on with our (non-stop) lung infections is to get a "mucous culture" -- we literally cough up as much as possible and it is sent to a lab for "culturing" over a 9-day period to see what grows. These cultures are done once a month. Yesterday my doctor told me that my last five cultures have been free of staph infections, which is usually on-going with us CF victims; no matter what else is growing in there, staph is almost always present. In fact, my last culture was "clear" altogether -- meaning that it was identical to what a "healthy" person's culture would look like if the same test were done on them. This is almost unheard of in the CF world! Since my general diet over the past 22 years has been quite good (including juicing) we'll rule out any radical dietary shift as being the cause for improvement. Therefore the only things I've been doing differently are : 1) Drinking WaterOz silver water (1/2 ounce in the morning on an empty stomach and 1/2 ounce at night on empty). 2) Drinking ozonated water from a med-grade ozone machine through-out the day (but I only started that 3 weeks or so ago). 3) Drinking fresh carrot-garlic-apple juice from an ACME juicer, with 3 to 5 cloves of garlic PRESSED into each glass of fresh juice, then swallowing the skins while drinking the juice. Pressing the garlic is important as this causes an enzymatic chemical reaction which enhances the power of garlic. As stated above: I've been juicing for 22 years but only recently began adding garlic. At this point neither friend nor foe can stand to be near me, but at least the lung infections are at bay. It also helps if you live in a high-vampire community. So I'm forced to believe at this time that the silver had/has much to do with this markedly improved situation. I also know that volumes have been written about the "miracles" of garlic's power and fresh juicing, so that no doubt helped. But I've been more consistent with the silver than the garlic/juice, so *IF* I had to choose, it would be the silver water. Who knows... maybe it *is* the combination of all three forces! No matter, it means I don't have to be on several very toxic drugs in high dosages that make me almost as sick as the illness itself. And that, to me, is like Christmas everyday! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: OFF TOPIC:Electroporation vs Beck machines
Just wanted to let you know that, for ME, this was RIGHT ON TOPIC! I've been thinking of getting one of these machines for a fatal disease I have called Cystic Fibrosis but I'm on so many drugs that I was very worried about this affect happening; now I think I'll risk it! This is a perfect axample of: NEVER WITH-HOLD AN IDEA FROM THIS GROUP BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW *WHY* YOU'RE BEING PROMPTED TO REVEAL IT!! (It has something to do with the field-phenomenon called "spirit".) Dameon *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Bill, I don't have any immediate illness and I don't use Beck's zapper on a regular basis. When I do use it I've found that I can and do drink coffee (my only drug intake) just before sitting down to a two hour zapper session. In theory this should induce much more caffein into my system. I have not had any type of reaction, say, of not being able to sleep because of over stimulation due to excess caffein in my system. That's not say that Beck's warnings are to be ignored. He is also using the warning to protect himself legally etc etc. There can/will always be a situation that might induce some sort of reaction due to electroporation. Take care, Douglas Haack, Sydney -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: http://www.u36.com/~fredw/bobbeck.htm
THANK YOU FRED!.. For taking the time/energy to put this together! It's ALREADY helped me and it's not even finished yet! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: UV Blood treatments
So Dan, what's this all about? Did you get UV treatments? The link you posted *is* a good one, indeed! I've known about it for awhile and have sent several people there myself! Dameon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A while back someone asked me about UV blood irradiation. This is a very good link. http://www.ubi.org/ He thinks plain old sunlight and sunbathing can provide a low level UV boost to the blood and general health. There are also machines of course. Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: SCOTT
If you're looking for SCOTT BERNER, he's now on the oxylist (l...@oxytherapy.com). His address is: Scott Berner -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Kill Studies -- AMEN!!!
HOPEFULLY! *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* maneagle summer wrote: Hello the List: I have been interested to read all the different views and supposed expression of truth as seen from the many different perspectives. I have a CSPro Ultra machine which I really like a lot and have used for about four months. But now, according to the representative of PII, "There are units on the market that produce up to 10,000 volts but these do not generate ions of silver but particles of elemental silver." If I am reading him right I believe he is saying that my machine doesn't produce true colloidal silver. Is that true? I am no scientist and no expert but have paid a lot of money for a device that I feel did help me get over a very serious fingernail infection. Still, I would like to know the truth. If someone on the list has the equipment, I would like to see KILL STUDIES done! Studies where cultures of pathogens are exposed to the liquid products produced by the different companies that are said to produce Collidal Silver to see how quickly the pathogens are killed if at all. I would like to see the studies include the major AC generator companies as well as some from the DC generator companies and maybe a few examples of homebrew produced CS. Hopefully, someday, someone will have the where-with-all to do this so we can have a reference for what really works. Warren -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: You know what?
I agree with both, but tend to agree more with Mike D *ONLY* because of affordability! Perhaps the more expensive machines ARE better, but how many can afford to buy one of them? Since *methodology* has so much to do with Life's processes/evolution, *if* we can find a way to make C-Silver *almost* as "good" as what the more expensive devices do, we'll be that much further ahead. Even the "inferior" low-voltage machines *must* be producing some kind of colloidal solution... even if it's not 100%. Right? ** On 1 Apr 98 at 7:47, Tom Clayton wrote: > I am most convinced that [the high voltage method] is AT LEAST ONE > GOOD WAY to produce the product that I am looking for. Absolutely agree. > There can be endless debate over lower voltage products and > devices, but I do not like it when particles are too large or if > they precipitate out of solution, which by definition means that a > true colloidal product has not been produced. Most pharmaceuticals have a finite shelf life. If something settles out in a few days, I would suspect it, too. But some of these low voltage preparations remain good for months, with no measurable decay in concentration or observed efficacy. Is this good enough? It should be *IF* we know exactly how to produce and evaluate them. The fact that we don't only means there's still room for study. Ignorance is not permanent, and just because we have one solution doesn't mean we should stop looking for others. > So, when I get an extra $800, I am going to purchase one of the high > voltage machines (probably CS pro, since they have been laboratory > tested) and make me some reproducible batches of CS for myself and > then I am going to see if some of my patients can be helped by this > product. It's an effective answer for your situation. I have no doubt you'll have success with it. Please let us know. I for one really appreciate that you're looking at it. In the meantime we should do what we can here to *eliminate* the doubt and uncertainty surrounding low voltage systems. If we're successful it would be a worthwhile effort, wouldn't it Tom? > End of opinion. But LO! Not the end of the debate! Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Troubled Times: Colloidal Silver
Sounds very interesting... is it for real? *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Dear List: Has anyone tried putting a drop of honey into the water to decrease silver oxide as suggested in Merlin's magic? Ken http://www.zetatalk3.com/health/theal202.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Teeth -- ATTN: DOUGLAS
I have severely discolored teeth from having grown up taking sulfa drugs for lung infections (Cystic Fibrosis). The dentist told me that there is a "bleaching" process you can have done that involves -- of all things -- hydrogen peroxide! One more excellent use for the O2 molecule!... (a little plug for the good folks over at l...@oxytherapy.com!) Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
ATTN: RYB -- I'VE BEEN USING WATEROZ C-WATER
{{ I found this following site that advertises selenium,zinc,silver
water ! Go to http://www.jeffry.com/ and there you can click on
"Water Oz".. It would appear that their silver water is colloidal
silver...
Yours,ryb...}}
Dear Ryb, others:
It certainly seems to be! I've been using it now for 8 months and you
can clearly taste the silver and see it around the rim of the plastic
bottle. It *is* clear, like regular water, in appearance and because of
this I was skeptical about it's silver content at first; so I took a
white dish and placed several drops of WaterOz silver water onto it to
dry overnight: To my amazement, there were dark silvery-gray spots the
next day! Then I began to notice that the shotglasses I drink it from
had a lot of violet-colored silver residue dried in the bottom (very
pretty, actually). A Q-tip with alcohol on it confirmed that it was
silver upon removal. Then, I was hospitalized in November for severe
lung infections and because of all the I.V. antibiotics they had me on I
dveloped a major yeast infection that worked it's way up into my throat;
the pain was terrible -- like I'd swallowed acid! The doctor wanted to
put me on an anti-yeast drug called Nystatin(sp?) and told me to use it
3 times a day and that -- by the 3rd day -- my yeast should be gone. He
left the room and I remembered that I'd brought my bottle of WaterOz
with me and that C-Silver kills yeast. So I filled my shotglass and
*slowly* swallowed small amounts at a time after first swishing it
around in my mouth. Within 15 minutes the pain was reduced by half and
within an hour was almost gone!! By that night it was gone completely
and never came back! So much for anti-yeast drugs!
Hope this answers some of your questions.
Dameon
P.S... They're having problems with their Web site right now, but I got
news by phone last week that the company also has PLATINUM water and
they offer several others, like slenium water and magnesium water. NOTE:
I AM A SATISFIED USER OF THEIR PRODUCTS AND NOT HERE TO PROMOTE SALES IN
ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM... JUST TO PASS INFORMATION. ENTER AT YOUR OWN
RISK!
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Re: Teeth
Hi there, and YES! I have experienced that also, but with C-Silver purchased from a company called WaterOz -- which is clear like water and of a *very* small partical size. I got scared at first but found that it just brushes away; but I can't speak for how home-brewed C-Silver will act. I'll be making my own soon, tho. Keep colloidaling! Dameon *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Hello everyone! I have been one of those "lurkers" around here for the past few months and for the past few weeks have been making my own CS and taking it daily. I have a question for those of you who are regular users of CS. Has anyone noticed any discoloration of their teeth? I hold the CS in my mouth and swish it around a bit before swallowing. I'm not sure if this is causing the discoloration that I'm seeing, but it's the only thing that I have done differently. Thanks for any replies! Becky mteac...@juno.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: What about colloidal gold?
YES! I, too, would like to learn about C-Gold! I vote to keep it on the list. Dameon > Christian von Wechmar wrote: > > Mike, I realise that this is a *silver* list, so I really won't persue this > > topic on this list again. Maybe someone can contact me off-list with an > > answer or two. I really want to make CG... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
THE TYNDALL EFFECT
Hello Mike and everyone.
I got this recently from a representative of a company selling Silver
Water and wondered if anyone new what is meant here? They claim that
*their* Silver Water is the best (naturally) because it's made with a
patented process that does not involve electrolisis(sp?) of any kind and
produces much smaller, concentrated silver mineral ions (100+ ppm) than
what could possibly be made at home on a small machine. They claim that
their Silver Water even permeates the spinal fluid. Any feed-back would
be welcomed.
{{The machines you talk about do not produce clear (as in: water-clear,
NOT golden) colloidal silver. The molecules do not pass the tyndall
effect.}}
Dameon
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Re: to Dameon et al, A history of silver 1916
THANKS! for the EXTENSIVE amount of info, Sue. Most interesting, indeed! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: HYDROGENATED OIL: DEATH
Unfortunately, besides what the 6:30 news with Tom Brokaw has reported about the obvious dangers of "trans-fatty acids", all I have is what I've verbally acquired over the past 10 years about how deadly the shit is for ya. It's well known in the "underground" of alternative med/nutrition circles that I move in about how Hydro-oil turns into an inert substance in the body -- similar to a little ball of plastice -- that can end up "mutating" the cell it's in, causing cancer. The body doesn't discharge it as easily as a natural substance but instead stores it (usually in the fatty tissues); over time, it "festers" and you have problems. ALL fast foods are made/fried in the stuff (called FRY-MAX, which comes in a big can and looks like CRISCO, which is the same thing). Kids are raised from day one with french fries being shoved in their mouths and the plastic storage begins! WENDY'S "Frosty" drink is PURE HYDRO-OIL that's been frozen! I've seen/read the package they make it outta. But the cutsie little commercials on TV make it all look so innocent, then 5 or 10 years later the kids have brain cancer and their ignorant parents just don't know why. Then they trust in the "doctors" for chemo and/or radiation and the young little life turns into hell. It's used in so many foods/soups/breads (you'll see if you read labels constantly) that I'm convinced it has a lot to do with the general public's health problems. Too bad for them; I guess the ignorant and undisciplined must die. Dameon +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ mbgu...@julian.uwo.ca wrote: > > Dameon: > > Can u give me some ref on Hydrogenated oil, particularly wrt to colon > cancer. I agree 100% that hydrogenated oil should be avoided at any cost > but don't have any clinical data to show for it. > > Thx > > Chris Gupta > > >.I also avoid all junk foods and anything with the poison called > HYDROGENATED OIL which is in many > >more things than people are aware of... and it is truly a poison! It is > >the main reason there are so many kids getting brain cancer and adults > >getting colon cancer and other disorders -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: DO NOT MAINLINE! -- THANKS Tom Clayton!
Thanks for the warning, Tom!! God knows I have NO ROOM FOR ERROR at this
point! Before I get anywhere close to MAINLINING it I'll have to do a
LOT more research.
I don't understand why you wrote this part?:
{{Anyone who thinks that silver chloride
is poisonous does not understand that chloride
is everywhere and if an ionic compound is going to
be made, this is the most likely one, but the silver
is also free to dissociate again. This is not the case
with silver nitrate.}}
Does this pertain somehow to using IV silver?
Dameon
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I WOULD NOT MAINLINE THIS STUFF.
DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER SUCH A THING.
The silver might bypass the capillaries in the lungs
and there is no telling what will happen. You must
not go beyond the body's natural filters, of which
the lungs are most important regarding venous to
arterial blood exchange.
The silver will get to where it needs to go if you
drink it and swish it around in your mouth before
swallowing. Anyone who thinks that silver chloride
is poisonous does not understand that chloride
is everywhere and if an ionic compound is going to
be made, this is the most likely one, but the silver
is also free to dissociate again. This is not the case
with silver nitrate.
Tom Clayton, MD
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>
>THANK YOU Susan! I did not know that! What's your reference for this
>knowledge? Actually, I've heard so many differing opinions about doing
>this that I would hunt down someone who really knows what they're doing
>first. I do know someone who's INJECTED it just below the skin and into
>a muscle many times, but I was talking about MAINLINING it. The bacteria
>(Pseudomonas aeruginosa) causing my lung infections need to be hit hard
>and fast; no pussyfootin with this kind... they're too deadly and my
>lungs are already too badly damaged.
>
>Dameon
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So what are we talking here? Do we start donations? HOW-WHERE-WHEN? Dameon ** > If I could even get a black & white video camera ... and a snappy > for my computer, I could get some computer pictures going. > I have a lot of ideas for experiments with the darkfield! This is called leverage, folks! A very small investment from us would yield a lot of knowledge for everybody interested in CS. These are just the sort of things a cyber-community like ours is capable of fostering. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: INTRAVENEOUS C-SILVER : THANX SUSAN!
Chris --
Yes. In fact, I was breathing it through a nebulizer designed for
inhaling antibiotic aerosols for Cystic Fibrosis, so I inhaled it the
best possible way! But I was warned that, because I'm dealing with
silver PARTICLES -- and NOT chemicals (like the antibiotics) -- that I
could create further problems in the tiny alvioli sacks. As I have *very
little* good lung tissue left, I decided to stop with the silver.
Somehow it makes sense that damaged (or even healthy lungs) would have a
harder time getting rid of something like that, but I could be wrong. My
lungs didn't feel quite right either; kind of uncomfortable for hours
afterward and it was sometimes harder to breathe. Obviously, the lungs
are able to get rid of dust, which is a particle, but it seems that the
silver particle is much smaller and therefore could cause problems. If
anyone has knowledge about this, please to let me know.
Dameon
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{{Have you tried inhaling it. A ultrasonic humidifier works best but
meanwhile a very fine mist might help.
Chris Gupta}}
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Re: C-Silver for Staph -- THANKS!
Thanks for the encouragement, Larry! I actually HAVE been using C-Silver for many months by a company called WaterOz. They use a patented method for reducing their silver down to ion-particle size for maximum obsorption (even into the nervous system). They charge $80 a gallon and I feel the need to take much more than I've been, so I also just bought a C-Silver machine (for the same price of a gallon of WaterOz stuff!). If I feel the need, I'll combine the two in some way. But I want to get to the point where I'm drinking around a quart a day; I've heard that Beck or someone has drank as much as a gallon a day without harm. The whole point is to keep these bacteria at bay, since I don't have much usable lung tissue left. It's extremely important. I have to be added to the LUNG TRANSPLANT LIST because there's so much damage. So anything I can do to slow down the infections is very important... even if it means mild toxicity from C-Silver. God knows the drugs they have me on *already* make me sick! Dameon P.S... Something that I started 22 years ago and absolutely know has helped keep me alive much longer than the average Cystic Fibrosis victim is fresh juicing with an ACME juicerator! I am now in the 1% catagory of survivors (age 42) with this disease and juicing has alwasy made me feel very strong. You may want to try this if you haven't already, but you have to be disciplined and do it regularly. I also avoid all junk foods and anything with the poison called HYDROGENATED OIL which is in many more things than people are aware of... and it is truly a poison! It is the main reason there are so many kids getting brain cancer and adults getting colon cancer and other disorders. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: INTRAVENEOUS C-SILVER : THANX SUSAN!
THANK YOU Susan! I did not know that! What's your reference for this knowledge? Actually, I've heard so many differing opinions about doing this that I would hunt down someone who really knows what they're doing first. I do know someone who's INJECTED it just below the skin and into a muscle many times, but I was talking about MAINLINING it. The bacteria (Pseudomonas aeruginosa) causing my lung infections need to be hit hard and fast; no pussyfootin with this kind... they're too deadly and my lungs are already too badly damaged. Dameon P.S... If you respond to my question, could you please put TO DAMEON in the "subject" line... thanks! *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Susan M. Yensen wrote: > > Hi Dameon, > > Do not inject CS made with salt!!! Even in 1916 they knew better. > > Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer > Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: PPM meter testing results
Thanks Mike. I've been keeping an eye on the discussions within the group about this meter; it's great to have someone like you helping us all out by testing the gear -- especially the *really poor* one's, like me. Every penny counts, so I await your verdict before spending the moola. By the way, this is the guy with Cystic Fibrosis, in case you've forgotten. You advised me to get a silver machine from Thomas Miller and it just arrived yesterday. I haven't used it yet, but it looks as solid as any I've seen and the price was *very* right. I really feel the need for a PPM meter so I know just how much silver I'm dealing with. My disease, at this point, offers no room for error and I feel that accuracy in my approach to experimentation is important; the lung infections I'm trying to smash are quite nasty and may need a very high PPM of silver over a sustained period. Injection is not out of the question. The bacteria's name is Pseudomonas aeruginosa and is the main killer of CF victims because of it's voracious nature. And then there's staph... forever staph. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: TO SUE WITH LUNG CANCER
Hi Sue. I'm a fellow-silver-listian and I saw a response to your illness advising you to do a Web search for a doctor performing PHOTOLUMINESENCE treatments (otherwise known as PHOTO-OXIDATION or ultraviolet blood irradiation). Since I've had more UV treatments than anyone on record in the world, I thought this info would be helpful: ACAM American College for Advancement in Medicine 23121 Verdugo Drive, Suite 204 Laguna Hills, CA 92653 714-583-7666 800-532-3688 FAX: 714-455-9679 Call them for a list of all the doctors in the USA performing UV treatments. It is, without a doubt, THE closest thing to a miracle I have ever experienced (and I've tried just about everything -- including psychic surgery in the Philipines)! UV killed 2 types of bacteria giving me lung infections that the "doctors" had no treatment for; it wasn't a matter of IF I would die, but WHEN. In only 3 treatments they were gone! Each treatment is very simple and takes only about 30 minutes. I went on to have 64 more treatments for other reasons. My health improved dramatically after a lifetime of living with a serious, deadly disease called Cystic Fibrosis. I don't know exactly what UV treatments will do for your condition, but it may be worth a try. I also STRONGLY ADVISE that you get the book "Into The Light" by Dr. William Campbell Douglass (father of the Dr. Douglass in Florida with the wholistic clinic); this book covers just about everything you'd ever want to know about UV treatments and has a lot of info on it's application to cancer. In my opinion, the book would be a bargain at twice the price. Good luck! Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Making Colloidal Silver
Yes, PLEASE! Some us still use a Mac, and the file posted by Robert Kramer couldn't be opened because I couldn't find an app for it on the Mac. Dameon --- Fred Walter wrote: > > >From: Robert Kramer > >Below is attached something I hope you will find interesting. > > A word to the wise - if you actually want others to be able to read > whatever it is that you post, you need to use a format that others > can read. ".gif" or ".jpf" for images, and plain ASCII for text. > > IE. What is a ".wpd" file? Nothing that I have will understand it. > > fred
INJECTING COLLOIDAL SILVER
Does anyone know the good, the bad and the ugly about injecting colloidal silver? I've heard things about all of the above. I have a fatal disease called Cystic Fibrosis (involves constant serious lung infections) and was thinking of mainlining CS since they're running out of (toxic, barely affective) drugs they can give me. Any ACCURATE info would be a God-send. THANKS in advance.
