CSpossibly intresting observation of CS, was Re: CSFound on a forum
Re Mike's comments below on CS quality in the first place, I recently had to make a batch of CS from less than ideal distilled water, and the batch turned light yellow. My cat's drinking water is about 1/2 CS and 1/2 distilled water (I use DW not quite pure enough for CS making as drinking water always). Using the yellow CS, the cat's water turns lavender-ish or grey after they have been drinking from the bowl a while. When their water is mixed with perfectly clear CS this doesn't happen. My guess is that the clear CS is much more stable than even the light yellow. sol M. G. Devour wrote: Now, if I remember rigth, he was using a stable product made with low current density that should have been mostly ionic and small particles. Nor did he push for very high concentrations, which are unnecessary. Perhaps if you're making some unstable brew with other than pure distilled water, and letting the current run away to make dilute mud, then you might have more reason to worry. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSjust an observation...
The body takes time to come up to speed...'after' it decides there is a problem. Many microbes replicate much faster. The immune system is always playing catch up and usually does catch up after a while. CS works 'now'...'if' enough gets to where it's needed. Either way, kill rate has to exceed replication rate and the greater the difference, the faster the cure. It's a drag race with microbes having a head startand CS is a shot of NOS. [BOOST] Ode At 09:15 PM 5/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: I am completely floored at how effective and how QUICKLY CS works. I burned my hand day before yesterday taking something out of the oven. I sprayed cs topically on it several times that evening. It was a superficial burn but in the past would blister and then form a thin scab then heal. I sprayed the cs on it periodically that night, and then a few times the next day. I was stunned to find that although it really hurt I had No blister form and no scab. I am looking at it now and it has a shiny place on the finger where I burned it but that it IT! Then today I noticed that I had a place on my gums that was getting a bit swollen around where two teeth meet. Normally I floss, scrub with toothpaste and baking soda, and repeat. The swelling usually subsides by the next morning. I did my normal routine but noticed that the swelling was quite painful. So I tried again. Then I remembered I could use CS on it with a cotton swab. It has been 2 hours later and the swelling is GONE. I am stunned. OK, so this makes me wonder. see the body can and does heal itself. Most infections or illnesses are cleared up within 10 day to two weeks. Most doctors know this and try to get their patients to wait at least that long before treatment. Most people however want the pill, so a prescription is prescribed and the meds are taken. Is it possible, that the meds are really NOT working but the body's natural ability to heal itself is (despite having to fight the drugs)? I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly. If the drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast healing rates? Lori No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005
Re: CSjust an observation...
lkfields wrote: I am completely floored at how effective and how QUICKLY CS works. I burned my hand day before yesterday taking something out of the oven. I sprayed cs topically on it several times that evening. It was a superficial burn but in the past would blister and then form a thin scab then heal. I sprayed the cs on it periodically that night, and then a few times the next day. I was stunned to find that although it really hurt I had No blister form and no scab. I am looking at it now and it has a shiny place on the finger where I burned it but that it IT!Then today I noticed that I had a place on my gums that was getting a bit swollen around where two teeth meet. Normally I floss, scrub with toothpaste and baking soda, and repeat. The swelling usually subsides by the next morning. I did my normal routine but noticed that the swelling was quite painful. So I tried again. Then I remembered I could use CS on it with a cotton swab. It has been 2 hours later and the swelling is GONE. I am stunned.OK, so this makes me wonder. see the body can and does heal itself. Most infections or illnesses are cleared up within 10 day to two weeks. Most doctors know this and try to get their patients to wait at least that long before treatment. Most people however want the pill, so a prescription is prescribed and the meds are taken.Is it possible, that the meds are really NOT working but the body's natural ability to heal itself is (despite having to fight the drugs)? I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly. If the drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast healing rates? Exactly what drugs are you talking about? Very few if any drugs promote healing that I know of. Antibiotics kill pathogens, but do not promote healing. The only things that I know of that really promote healing are natural herbs and miinerals, such as aloe vera and CS. Marshall Lori
RE: CSjust an observation...
True, drugs kill the pathogens and the body does the healing. What I am saying isis it really the drugs doing the killing? For instance, with my gums. The swelling is the bodies reaction to the germs. The swelling serves to isolate the infection so it won't spread until the body can deal with it. Right? So in comes the silver, kills all the germs and the selling goes down. Well, swishing with peroxide doesn't get those results, applying antibiotic ointment doesn't, applying alcohol doesn't, taking a antibiotic doesn't. This leads me to believe these things don't really work as well as we are led to believe. Lori _ From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly. If the drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast healing rates? Exactly what drugs are you talking about? Very few if any drugs promote healing that I know of. Antibiotics kill pathogens, but do not promote healing. The only things that I know of that really promote healing are natural herbs and miinerals, such as aloe vera and CS. Marshall
RE: CSjust an observation...
For your information.most antibiotics are only bacteriostatic. In other words they stop the growth of the bacteria on the assumption that it will give time for an adequate immune system to catch up. There are very few, if any bacteriocidal antibiotics. CS on the other hand if it can get to the organism is bacteriocidal and so is more effective, especially for those with compromised immune systems. True, drugs kill the pathogens and the body does the healing. What I am saying isis it really the drugs doing the killing? For instance, with my gums. The swelling is the bodies reaction to the germs. The swelling serves to isolate the infection so it won't spread until the body can deal with it. Right? So in comes the silver, kills all the germs and the selling goes down. Well, swishing with peroxide doesn't get those results, applying antibiotic ointment doesn't, applying alcohol doesn't, taking a antibiotic doesn't. This leads me to believe these things don't really work as well as we are led to believe. Lori _ From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly. If the drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast healing rates? Exactly what drugs are you talking about? Very few if any drugs promote healing that I know of. Antibiotics kill pathogens, but do not promote healing. The only things that I know of that really promote healing are natural herbs and miinerals, such as aloe vera and CS. Marshall
CSjust an observation...
I am completely floored at how effective and how QUICKLY CS works. I burned my hand day before yesterday taking something out of the oven. I sprayed cs topically on it several times that evening. It was a superficial burn but in the past would blister and then form a thin scab then heal. I sprayed the cs on it periodically that night, and then a few times the next day. I was stunned to find that although it really hurt I had No blister form and no scab. I am looking at it now and it has a shiny place on the finger where I burned it but that it IT! Then today I noticed that I had a place on my gums that was getting a bit swollen around where two teeth meet. Normally I floss, scrub with toothpaste and baking soda, and repeat. The swelling usually subsides by the next morning. I did my normal routine but noticed that the swelling was quite painful. So I tried again. Then I remembered I could use CS on it with a cotton swab. It has been 2 hours later and the swelling is GONE. I am stunned. OK, so this makes me wonder. see the body can and does heal itself. Most infections or illnesses are cleared up within 10 day to two weeks. Most doctors know this and try to get their patients to wait at least that long before treatment. Most people however want the pill, so a prescription is prescribed and the meds are taken. Is it possible, that the meds are really NOT working but the body's natural ability to heal itself is (despite having to fight the drugs)? I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly. If the drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast healing rates? Lori
Re: CSSARS can live on common surfaces -- OBSERVATION
Several years past, we were privy to a series of evaluations, conducted by another institution, in which they were unable to find a flu-like virusfrom among a large numberwhich could survive direct exposure to 10% acetic acid (common vinegar) combined with a very weak surfactant (detergent); and less than 5% of these viruses could survive an environment of 5% acetic acid. A majority of them were completely unable to replicate in an environment presenting with acetic acid concentrations as low as 3.75% . One can only assume that the many gifted research facilities addressing the SARS challenge..have testedand confirmed that SARS..unlike the flu-like viruses tested by this small research group.is immune to organic acid environments below %? Sincerely,Brooks Bradley. C Creel wrote: SARS can live on common surfaces By Rob Stein, The Washington Post The SARS virus can survive on common surfaces at room temperature for hours or even days, which could explain how people can catch the deadly lung infection without face-to-face contact with a sick person, scientists have found. NEW LABORATORY STUDIES, being released today, have produced the first scientific data on how long the SARS virus can live in various places and conditions, demonstrating for the first time that the microbe can linger outside an infected person's body. One study showed the virus survived for at least 24 hours on a plastic surface at room temperature, which suggests it might be possible to become infected from touching a tabletop, doorknob or other object. Another found the microbe remained viable for as long as four days in human waste, a crucial finding that could clarify how the virus can spread through apartment buildings, hospitals and other facilities. German scientists found a common detergent failed to kill the virus, indicating that some efforts to sterilize contaminated areas may be ineffective. An experiment conducted in Japan concluded that the virus could live for extended periods in the cold, suggesting it could survive the winter. The long-awaited findings should be crucial for containing the epidemic, and they could solve one of the most important mysteries about the new disease: how the virus spreads without direct exposure to infected individuals. It's the first time we have hard data on the survival of the virus. Before, we were just speculating, Klaus Stohr, the World Health Organization's top SARS scientist, said yesterday. There has been a lot of speculation that the touching of objects could be involved. This shows that transmission by contaminated hands or contaminated objects in the environment can play a role. In addition, the findings will help researchers develop better tests for the virus and possible treatments. Now that they know what temperatures kill the virus, researchers can purify serum from sick people to use in calibrating tests and possibly to give other patients as a therapy. Serum contains antibodies that are measured by tests. In addition, the antibodies could work as a treatment if they can neutralize the virus. CASES INCREASE The new data come as the number of cases continues to increase. An additional 191 cases and 18 deaths were reported yesterday, bringing the toll to 6,234 cases in 27 countries, and 435 deaths, according to the WHO. Outbreaks appear to be under control in Hanoi, Hong Kong, Singapore and Toronto, but the disease was still spreading in many parts of China, and Taiwan has experienced a sharp jump in cases in the past week. U.S. health officials are investigating 54 probable cases in this country, including three in Virginia, and are monitoring an additional 237 suspected cases. The results were produced by laboratories in Hong Kong, Japan, Germany and Beijing that are part of a scientific network organized by WHO to study the previously unknown virus. The findings were compiled and analyzed over the past few days and were to be posted on WHO's Web site today so public health workers around the world can begin using them to keep the virus from spreading, said Stohr, who described the findings in a telephone interview. These studies are very important for designing strategies for cleaning and disinfecting, Stohr said. Stohr stressed that a key unknown is how much virus is necessary for someone to become infected. So even though the virus can survive in the environment, it remains unknown whether it can survive in sufficient quantities to be dangerous, he said. What we're seeing is that this virus certainly has the capacity to stay in the environment. What we don't know is the infectious dose, he said. Stohr also emphasized that by far, the primary mode of transmission was through droplets that spray out when an infected person sneezes or coughs. ALTERNATIVE
Re: CSSARS can live on common surfaces -- OBSERVATION
Dear Brooks, You said: One can only assume that the many gifted research facilities addressing the SARS challenge..have testedand confirmed that SARS..unlike the flu-like viruses tested by this small research group.is immune to organic acid environments below %? I have no formal knowledge of this. I'm sure something is being used to kill SARS on surfaces as I am aware of a person who contracted SARS while he was hospitalized and awaiting surgery. The surgery was done by a physician who was recovering from SARS. I'm sure the OR had to be safely cleaned. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT:Cancer Protocol...Observation.
In reading abstracts from Dr. Quillin's article on Cancer' Sweet Tooth, published in Nutirition Science News, April, 2000, it occurred to me that in view of the fact he states that mannoheptulose (an abstract from the avocado) has demonstrated marked effectivity in controlling tumor cell growth (65% to 79%)there could be a useful reinforcement derived from persons amenable to Urine Therapy protocols..since mannoheptulose displays a marked tendency to concentrate in the urine. This is just an observation..not a recommendation. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGFSE and cs observation
What is gfse? Thanks Margie -Original Message- From: Vilik Rapheles [mailto:vi...@peak.org] Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 10:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGFSE and cs observation gfse must kill bugs my cs is not getting. Either it goes places the cs is not going,or is better at killing some bugs. ~ Jim, When I took gfse most of my symptoms cleared up in three days. () As I increased the dose I kept getting herx then feeling better. It all came tumbling down in three months...organism developed tolerance? I have not had the same results with silver. I wonder if the gfse gets to things in the gut that silver does not. I would think so. I mixed my gfse in psyllium seed, to get it to the walls of the gut. Maybe if I did that with silver I would have similar results, but haven't tried it (yet). It is claimed that gfse does not affect good flora, but I'm not sure I believe it. Silver does apparently affect good flora. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGFSE and cs observation
BANDER, MARGIE F wrote: What is gfse? Thanks Margie Hi Margie, GrapeFruit Seed Extract Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSGFSE and cs observation
I have taken cs for a while and am past any herx, even if I drink a pint. I use an ac setup producing a clear cs with lots of tyndall, target ppm of 30. I haven't tested for a while, but I think my ppm is in that ballpark as I am very careful to keep my process consistent. While I cannot get a herx from cs, I CAN get a herx from grapefruit seed extract. 30 drops in a glass of orange juice will bring on a slight temp increase and obvious increase in sweating, very mild headache comes and goes. Goes away in a few hours. The point being: gfse must kill bugs my cs is not getting. Either it goes places the cs is not going, or is better at killing some bugs. It may be an observation worth remembering for those who have experienced bugs which seem very hard to control completely. Has anyone else had thoughts on this? Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGFSE and cs observation
I have taken cs for a while and am past any herx, even if I drink a pint. I use an ac setup producing a clear cs with lots of tyndall, target ppm of 30. I haven't tested for a while, but I think my ppm is in that ballpark as I am very careful to keep my process consistent. While I cannot get a herx from cs, I CAN get a herx from grapefruit seed extract. 30 drops in a glass of orange juice will bring on a slight temp increase and obvious increase in sweating, very mild headache comes and goes. Goes away in a few hours. The point being: gfse must kill bugs my cs is not getting. Either it goes places the cs is not going, or is better at killing some bugs. It may be an observation worth remembering for those who have experienced bugs which seem very hard to control completely. Has anyone else had thoughts on this? Jim Dear Jim, Maybe you are showing a slight allergic reaction to the GFSE. Just a thought... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGFSE and cs observation
Jim wrote: While I cannot get a herx from cs, I CAN get a herx from grapefruit seed extract. 30 drops in a glass of orange juice will bring on a slight temp increase and obvious increase in sweating, very mild headache comes and goes. Goes away in a few hours. The point being: gfse must kill bugs my cs is not getting. Either it goes places the cs is not going, or is better at killing some bugs. It may be an observation worth remembering for those who have experienced bugs which seem very hard to control completely. Has anyone else had thoughts on this? Wow, Jim. I was going to make a report on my recent experiences in this regard. Your timing is amazing. I've been using CS of one sort or another for over two years now. In that time I have avoided any serious upper respiratory infections and ended my chronic bronchitis. I have not needed antibiotics at all in that time, even though I used to average 2 or 3 courses a year. I've gotten the occasional cold, but by avoiding the secondary bacterial infections I could recover quickly and completely as the virus would run its course. Even my allergies were less severe. So, I've demonstrated to my satisfaction that CS is good stuff. I've been very busy and under some stress for a while. In the crush of things I've not been making or using CS very much. Two weeks ago, like a bolt out of the blue, I had a couple of *extremely* allergic days. I started with sneezing fits that would go on for minutes at a time, eyes watering, sinuses exploding, nose running all over the place, coughing and hacking, the whole maximum histimine reaction. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was the most extreme reaction of this sort I can remember. This is not the time of year I have allergies, either. My biggie is ragweed, which doesn't come out until late August in our area. I came out of it all with a deep cough, sore throat, and headache that has persisted since then. The cough has made my chest sore and raw. My sinuses have continued to be painful. The glands in my neck are swollen. The phlegm builds up in my lungs at night and takes a while to clear out in the morning. Sleeping has been difficult due to the cough. I've treated symptoms with acetaminophen for the headache and sore throat, and OTC cough suppressant, expectorant, decongestant cough syrup or capsules to break up the phlegm and let me rest. By the second day I began taking CS which is probably in the 3-7 ppm range, several ounces per day, a tablespoon at a time whenever I thought about it throughout the day. I put the CS in a spray bottle and would just give myself a few squeezes into the mouth and swish it around for a minute or two before swallowing. Whatever I have has not gone away with just the CS. It reminds me a *lot* of the viral pneumonia I had three years ago that led me to find CS to begin with, though without the bacterial infection on top of it that nearly caused my throat to swell shut! Late last week I bought some grapefruit seed extract at the health food store. I tapered off on the CS over the weekend and started building up the GfSE to the max recommended 40-some drops per day, divided into several doses (to keep the taste tolerable!). Now, only after 4-5 days I'm starting to see signs of improvement. The pain in my throat around the larynx and glands is starting to lessen, the cough moderate, the headache diminish. I can feel myself just beginning to heal. I was very concerned that I wasn't getting better, and worried that I might have picked up one of those rare bacteria that CS does not work against in addition to some virus. So I figured I would just switch gears to the GfSE and hit it from another direction. I *might* have been just as successful doubling and re-doubling my dosage of CS, or just waiting it out. I'm also drinking more juice than usual in order to administer the GfSE, and resting more now than I did at the beginning. So anything or nothing might be making me better. There's no way to know exactly what's going on. You can't do a good clean experiment in this kind of situation, unfortunately, because there is no way to do a control. I'm just glad that I've learned so much from this list. It makes sense to try something different when what you're doing does *not* seem to be working after you've given it a decent chance. Knowing about GfSE gave me another option to try. One of our members mentioned that the GfSE stopped working for her after a few weeks or months, so I plan to keep going until whatever I've got is gone, then go back to a maintenance dose of CS. I figure it's good to have more than one weapon in the arsenal. Be well, all! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail
Re: CSGFSE and cs observation
Jim, It's also possible that you are allergic to gfse or oranges. To find out, after you get up in the morning, and before you have eaten or drunk anything, sit down for one minute, then take your pulse (sitting pulse). Then drink, say, a half glass of orange juice. Then, every 15 minutes for one hour, sit down and take your pulse again. If your pulse increases significantly - more than 92 - it means your body is struggling with that food substance. You can, of course, test other foods as well. I got this from the book, The Pulse Test, by Dr. Arthur Coca, and have been using it for the last 16 years in my practise (I am a Bioanalyst). You should also test the gfse separately in distilled H2O. You should only test one or two food items per day (assuming you don't react to either of them), and only to single foods. Bread is, of course, not one food. If you reacted to bread, you would not know whether it was the wheat or the yeast or the sweetener, etc., that you were reacting to. This tells you not only what you are allergic to, but what your body is unhappy with for any other reason. Terry Wayne --- Jim j...@glol.net wrote: I have taken cs for a while and am past any herx, even if I drink a pint. I use an ac setup producing a clear cs with lots of tyndall, target ppm of 30. I haven't tested for a while, but I think my ppm is in that ballpark as I am very careful to keep my process consistent. While I cannot get a herx from cs, I CAN get a herx from grapefruit seed extract. 30 drops in a glass of orange juice will bring on a slight temp increase and obvious increase in sweating, very mild headache comes and goes. Goes away in a few hours. The point being: gfse must kill bugs my cs is not getting. Either it goes places the cs is not going, or is better at killing some bugs. It may be an observation worth remembering for those who have experienced bugs which seem very hard to control completely. Has anyone else had thoughts on this? Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGFSE and cs observation
I have taken cs for a while and am past any herx, even if I drink a pint. I use an ac setup producing a clear cs with lots of tyndall, target ppm of 30. I haven't tested for a while, but I think my ppm is in that ballpark as I am very careful to keep my process consistent. While I cannot get a herx from cs, I CAN get a herx from grapefruit seed extract. 30 drops in a glass of orange juice will bring on a slight temp increase and obvious increase in sweating, very mild headache comes and goes. Goes away in a few hours. The point being: gfse must kill bugs my cs is not getting. Either it goes places the cs is not going, or is better at killing some bugs. It may be an observation worth remembering for those who have experienced bugs which seem very hard to control completely. Has anyone else had thoughts on this? Jim Just three... !) David Sandoval (founder of The Green Kamut Corporation) claims that liquid GSE has some chemical residues from the processing it undergoes, and it could be this chemical, or 2) 30 drops is a LOT of GSE...is it possible that you are just experiencing an OVERDOSE effect? You can get a reaction from using too much of ANYTHING... or 3) There is debate on whether or not the AC method of producing CS produces an effective CS. You might go back to the basics there, and make a batch using the old tried and true 9volt battery method and see if you get a Hx reaction using it. -- Charles Marcus -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGFSE and cs observation
Jim, I noticed before when I took it that it always caused major brain fog for me. I didn't know if this was due to a herx or just from the grapeseed extract. I should try it again and see what happens. I was taking a vitamin with this in it and I loved the vitamin but the GSE in it just made them unbearable. I felt like I was on cloud nine somewhere. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGFSE and cs observation
gfse must kill bugs my cs is not getting. Either it goes places the cs is not going,or is better at killing some bugs. ~ Jim, When I took gfse most of my symptoms cleared up in three days. () As I increased the dose I kept getting herx then feeling better. It all came tumbling down in three months...organism developed tolerance? I have not had the same results with silver. I wonder if the gfse gets to things in the gut that silver does not. I would think so. I mixed my gfse in psyllium seed, to get it to the walls of the gut. Maybe if I did that with silver I would have similar results, but haven't tried it (yet). It is claimed that gfse does not affect good flora, but I'm not sure I believe it. Silver does apparently affect good flora. ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: An observation...
Joyce Inouye wrote: What is your web site for the silver generator? Also, please list parts and where we can buy them. Thank you, :) Joyce I've had some interest expressed by a few people; (really not that many expressed an interest so far...) Busy times for me right now; give me a few days to draft up the circuit diagram write up some construction notes; there'll eventually be a new html page, probably called something like, cspulsed.htm going on the website linked from the other pages. I'll post a notice to the silver list when the page is up. By the way, thanks to those who did express an interest; I'll try to find time to get this done fairl soon! Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit on the 'back burner' for a while longer... Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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I think you've hit the the KEY to making QUALITY silver--a CONSISTENTLY LOW voltage. I came across a site that made silver .005-.010 microns colloids using LOW VOLTAGE. The GOLDEN color you observed is often associated with colloidal silver of this size, and is mentioned in literature to have good germicidal qualities. Perhaps you could devise an instrument that keeps the voltage at a low level, yet makes colloidal silver fairly fast, like the commercial silver makers. Regards, :) Joyce On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, George Martin wrote: Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. My procedure is pretty much what I term 'list standard'. I start with 28 oz of distilled water (I use mason jars that I just happened to have sitting around). This is heated using a coffee cup warmer to approx 120 F. or so. The electrodes are two 5 lengths of .999 16 ga wire. Since I can't get Hanna Instruments to respond to my inquiries I usually process the CS until it turns a gentle amber color...about an hour after the first indications of CS production appear. I guess that this is probably in the range of 10-15 ppm based on list discussions. I am an electronics tech by trade and am curious about the goings on in my little circuit. So I have two digital multi-meters connected to analyze the process. One is in series with the voltage source to measure current and the other is connected across the electrodes to measure voltage. I have run this set up two ways; with three 9-volt batteries in series to give 27 VDC and with an old linear power supply I had on my work bench that supplies a fixed 36 VDC. The process didn't vary considerably when I used the higher voltage so that is what I usually do. Seems my wife always has a need for 9 volt batteries... At the beginning of the process the readings were on average 36 VDC at a current of .15 - .40 ma depending on the quality of the distilled water. Over the space of 20 to 30 minutes the voltage would drop a volt or so and the current would slowly increase. When the current reached approx. 3.0 ma the wispy discharge would become apparent. From this point on the current would increase at a quicker rate due of course to the increased conductivity of the CS solution. When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. This was in spite of the convection currents caused by the heating device. The 'stream' was eventually dispersed by the convection as it sank lower but this made me curious. I then ran a batch using the same setup as above with preheated water but no active heating device. This was to hopefully minimize the convection currents. I also let the process continue for about 2 hours. What I noticed was that the 'stream' of CS that sank seemed to pool in the bottom of the jar. There was a distinctly darker appearance to this and it was about 1/4 or so thick. After I terminated the process I let it set overnight in a dark cabinet and observed it the next day and noticed no change. I then gave it a stir and mixed everything up. I let it sit for an additional three days and didn't notice any settling with the exception of some of the sludge that had dropped off of the electrode during the proccessing. It looked like a regular (darker than usual due to the extra time cooking) jar of CS. This got me to thinking... I know that CS is produced at all times during the process. That is why the conductivity of the water slowly changes. I also had observed that at certain current levels different effects were seen. Next I modified my little circuit by adding some variable resistance. I then started another batch using essentially the same setup as before only this time the voltage was lowered to 9 VDC. No particular reason why I chose that value but it seemed appropriate since the standard is three 9-volt batteries... The initial current read .14 ma. (I think that this may be due to the failure of my particular meter to accurately indicate very low current values). and very slowly began to climb. I won't try to make a table of readings or anything but suffice to say that nothing really note worthy was happening for several hours with the exception of the currently slowly increasing and the negative electrode darkening. After five hours I observed a very faint tint to the water and a distinct Tyndal (sp) effect. The current had reached 2.45 ma and the negative
Re: An observation/diagram...
The particle size is most important--from what I've read, it should be about 0.005 to 0.010 microns?? What is the silver size of your generator? -Original Message- From: Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net To: George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp; silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: Re: An observation... George Martin wrote: Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. snip Regards, George Martin George, I read with interestyour email. I also have worked with less than the 28-36 volts commonly recommended, and commonly run at 15 volts with no current limiting, so thatr I can monitor the increasing current to determine the cutoff. I also use a pulsed DC, rather than a constat current. My theory is that by disrupting the current flow frequently (20KHz) that the tendancy for silver ions to be produced in larger'clumps' is less likely. Since I don't have access to a microscope to verify this, and financial resources need to be directed elswhere for now, this is still in the unproven theory stage. I use 8mA at 15 volts (meter averaged reading) as my cutoff, in hot distilled water, using 1/4 of a previous batch as a 'starter'. (Cuyrrent is directly related to electrode geometry, and is therefore relative to my setup: 3-1/4 wetted length, 14ga, 1/2 apart in an 8 oz container. I don't have occasion to use more than ~6 ounces per week to 10 days, so I don't make larger batches, preferring instead to make a new batch as I get down to the 1/4 level - using it to start my next batch. Even at the 120mW power level (8mA at 15 volts) I am just below where the product produced may begin to get a bit cloudy - seems that up to that current level, the resulting product is a very clear, deep golden yellow. At above 10 mA, however, a slight silvery hazyness begins to be detectable. Since the TDS1 reads 20PPM consistantly when the generating process is stopped at the 8mA reading at 15 volts, I have found it unnecessary to run beyond this point. While the silver sludge builds up on the negatively charged electrode (cathode), if the distilled water tests 000 or 001 on the TDS1 before starting, no precipitation is observed. Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early experimenting. If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be expensive! Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit on the 'back burner' for a while longer... Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Yes Bruce, I'm interested, too. Please post a circuit diagram for your pulsed dc generator. --Bill At 10:26 AM 7-14-98 +0200, you wrote: Hi Bruce, Please post the circuit diagram for your pulsed dc generator. I'm interested. Be well, - Christian von Wechmar Stellenbosch, South Africa - -Original Message- From: Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net To: George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp; silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: Re: An observation... (snip) Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early experimenting. If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be expensive! Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit on the 'back burner' for a while longer... Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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On 14 Jul 98 at 19:14, Peter wrote: I saw a clever use of a 5v regulator 7805 to limit current to 20mA in a cs circuit. ... I see no reason why anyone couldn't use a 1k resistor in exactly the same manner to limit circuit current to 5mA. Exactly, Pete. This sort of current limiter is a standard application of voltage regulator chips. You'll find a circuit for it in just about every data book listing. We all worry about voltage, but the real actor in this process is the flow of current. We will need to do some pretty detailed studies of the behavior of the system in terms of particle size and production rates vs. electrode geometries and current density. Then we'll know what kind of circuit or setup will work the best. Even if we end up re-inventing the wheel and discover that the best arrangement is already the most popular, the whole process will be out in the open and documented on the web for everyone to see. That will be a good thing. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Bill and intrepid colloiders, I saw a clever use of a 5v regulator 7805 to limit current to 20mA in a cs circuit.Basically,it had input connected to the +ve(36v?),and the output through a 250 ohm resistor to the gnd terminal.This terminal then connected to the silver electrode. So,the 5v regulator was limiting the cs generating circuit-a series limiter if you like. I see no reason why anyone couldn't use a 1k resistor in exactly the same manner to limit circuit current to 5mA.Info courtesy Frank Matzka. petemc -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, 14 July 1998 9:22 Subject: Re: An observation... Chuck, Thanks for clarifying the purposes of the bulb. The basic question, however, is still looking for an answer: Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) As Mike wrote: ...it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I would try. I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort would emerge as the best strategy once we start to really study the process. Any clues ? --Bill At 11:21 AM 7-13-98 -0700, Chuck wrote: This is Marsha's husband replying. My name is Chuck Hallett and my profession is Electrical Engineering. I am writing to hopefully describe the purpose of the light bulb in the silver generator circuit. The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the electrodes touch each other (short circuit). When the wires touch, or your alligator clips touch, the current in the batteries and the wires is limited only by the internal resistance of the batteries and the connecting wires. Electrical Current generates heat. Lots of current generates lots of heat. Try this, take a single nine volt battery (a used but not totally dead one) and connect a spare alligator clip lead to each terminal. You should notice the wire getting anything from warm to hot enough to melt the insulation. The bulb limits the current to 40 milliamps which is a reasonable amount of current for the battery circuit, and far below what the colloidal silver process will use. If the leads short together, at best, your batteries ($4.95 retail each) will quickly discharge and you'll be out buying new ones. At worst the heat generated could cause the wires to melt, and at an extreme, cause a fire. Why a 28 volt 40 milliamp lamp? Answer: Economies of supply. 28 volts because we don't want the bult to burn out if we short the wires together. When this happens all you've done is closed the switch on what is now the equivalent of a flashlight. If a smaller voltage bulb were used, it would glow very brightly for a short period of time and burn out. Then it would act like a blown fuse, i.e. no silver generation until replaced with a new bulb. 40 milliamps because it is a reasonable limiting value for the circuit and more importantly it is a commonly available bulb (at Radio Shack anyway). Just like the light bulbs you put in your lamps, these small lamps come in standard sizes. You can get different sizes which would work, but they are harder to get and much more expensive. Lastly the bulb serves as a battery condition indicator. The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes directly to the batteries. You just run the risk of running your batteries down quickly. If you are worried about a fire, either make sure nothing combustible is near the batteries wire, or don't do it. I hope this sheds some light (pun intended) on the situation. Direct all flames to me at w7...@usa.net -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:27 AM Subject: Re: An observation... I read that the 40 mA bulb was used to limit the current to 40 mA maximum -- and lower currents would be desirable, (if smaller bulbs were available) to minimize colloidal particle size. George's current is no where near 40 mA, and the results seem to be compromised or questionable, already (at 36 vdc). Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) Or, could one use 6 vdc, and keep a batch running 24 hours a day (in a dark place) ? --Bill At 10:10 AM 7-13-98 -5, Mike D. wrote: On 13 Jul 98 at 22:15, George Martin wrote: When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. Hello George, Excellent set of observations. Your setup is very similar to mine. I see the same effect at about
Re: An observation/diagram...
Hi Bruce, Please post the circuit diagram for your pulsed dc generator. I'm interested. Be well, - Christian von Wechmar Stellenbosch, South Africa - -Original Message- From: Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net To: George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp; silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: Re: An observation... George Martin wrote: Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. snip Regards, George Martin George, I read with interestyour email. I also have worked with less than the 28-36 volts commonly recommended, and commonly run at 15 volts with no current limiting, so thatr I can monitor the increasing current to determine the cutoff. I also use a pulsed DC, rather than a constat current. My theory is that by disrupting the current flow frequently (20KHz) that the tendancy for silver ions to be produced in larger'clumps' is less likely. Since I don't have access to a microscope to verify this, and financial resources need to be directed elswhere for now, this is still in the unproven theory stage. I use 8mA at 15 volts (meter averaged reading) as my cutoff, in hot distilled water, using 1/4 of a previous batch as a 'starter'. (Cuyrrent is directly related to electrode geometry, and is therefore relative to my setup: 3-1/4 wetted length, 14ga, 1/2 apart in an 8 oz container. I don't have occasion to use more than ~6 ounces per week to 10 days, so I don't make larger batches, preferring instead to make a new batch as I get down to the 1/4 level - using it to start my next batch. Even at the 120mW power level (8mA at 15 volts) I am just below where the product produced may begin to get a bit cloudy - seems that up to that current level, the resulting product is a very clear, deep golden yellow. At above 10 mA, however, a slight silvery hazyness begins to be detectable. Since the TDS1 reads 20PPM consistantly when the generating process is stopped at the 8mA reading at 15 volts, I have found it unnecessary to run beyond this point. While the silver sludge builds up on the negatively charged electrode (cathode), if the distilled water tests 000 or 001 on the TDS1 before starting, no precipitation is observed. Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early experimenting. If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be expensive! Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit on the 'back burner' for a while longer... Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Hi Chuck! Thanks for contributing. And thank you so much for sharing Marsha with us! big grin On 13 Jul 98 at 11:21, you wrote: The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the electrodes touch each other (short circuit). ... The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes directly to the batteries. In a few situations the bulb can influence the process. Specifically, for those who use salt or baking soda electrolyte to speed things up, or running the no-salt process a really long time trying to make high ppm. Enough current flows that the bulb begins to glow dimly. There is enough voltage drop across the bulb for the electrode voltage to drop considerably, towards 15 volts in my old setup as an example. We're talking currents about 20ma, which is pretty darn high. So it can serve as a really crude process current limiter for some setups. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Chuck, Thanks for clarifying the purposes of the bulb. The basic question, however, is still looking for an answer: Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) As Mike wrote: ...it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I would try. I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort would emerge as the best strategy once we start to really study the process. Any clues ? --Bill At 11:21 AM 7-13-98 -0700, Chuck wrote: This is Marsha's husband replying. My name is Chuck Hallett and my profession is Electrical Engineering. I am writing to hopefully describe the purpose of the light bulb in the silver generator circuit. The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the electrodes touch each other (short circuit). When the wires touch, or your alligator clips touch, the current in the batteries and the wires is limited only by the internal resistance of the batteries and the connecting wires. Electrical Current generates heat. Lots of current generates lots of heat. Try this, take a single nine volt battery (a used but not totally dead one) and connect a spare alligator clip lead to each terminal. You should notice the wire getting anything from warm to hot enough to melt the insulation. The bulb limits the current to 40 milliamps which is a reasonable amount of current for the battery circuit, and far below what the colloidal silver process will use. If the leads short together, at best, your batteries ($4.95 retail each) will quickly discharge and you'll be out buying new ones. At worst the heat generated could cause the wires to melt, and at an extreme, cause a fire. Why a 28 volt 40 milliamp lamp? Answer: Economies of supply. 28 volts because we don't want the bult to burn out if we short the wires together. When this happens all you've done is closed the switch on what is now the equivalent of a flashlight. If a smaller voltage bulb were used, it would glow very brightly for a short period of time and burn out. Then it would act like a blown fuse, i.e. no silver generation until replaced with a new bulb. 40 milliamps because it is a reasonable limiting value for the circuit and more importantly it is a commonly available bulb (at Radio Shack anyway). Just like the light bulbs you put in your lamps, these small lamps come in standard sizes. You can get different sizes which would work, but they are harder to get and much more expensive. Lastly the bulb serves as a battery condition indicator. The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes directly to the batteries. You just run the risk of running your batteries down quickly. If you are worried about a fire, either make sure nothing combustible is near the batteries wire, or don't do it. I hope this sheds some light (pun intended) on the situation. Direct all flames to me at w7...@usa.net -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:27 AM Subject: Re: An observation... I read that the 40 mA bulb was used to limit the current to 40 mA maximum -- and lower currents would be desirable, (if smaller bulbs were available) to minimize colloidal particle size. George's current is no where near 40 mA, and the results seem to be compromised or questionable, already (at 36 vdc). Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) Or, could one use 6 vdc, and keep a batch running 24 hours a day (in a dark place) ? --Bill At 10:10 AM 7-13-98 -5, Mike D. wrote: On 13 Jul 98 at 22:15, George Martin wrote: When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. Hello George, Excellent set of observations. Your setup is very similar to mine. I see the same effect at about the same current. I wonder if those are larger particles. A long time ago Rose used a microscope at work to look at some CS I made that was run for a long time (different apparatus and recipe than I'm using now). She saw much larger particles mixed with the almost invisible smaller ones. Above a certain current, some people have talked about burning the silver particles. I doubt that's a proper description, but it conveys the notion that the particles made are different. So it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I would try. I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort
Re: An observation...
This is Marsha's husband replying. My name is Chuck Hallett and my profession is Electrical Engineering. I am writing to hopefully describe the purpose of the light bulb in the silver generator circuit. The primary purpose of the bulb is to limit current in the event the electrodes touch each other (short circuit). When the wires touch, or your alligator clips touch, the current in the batteries and the wires is limited only by the internal resistance of the batteries and the connecting wires. Electrical Current generates heat. Lots of current generates lots of heat. Try this, take a single nine volt battery (a used but not totally dead one) and connect a spare alligator clip lead to each terminal. You should notice the wire getting anything from warm to hot enough to melt the insulation. The bulb limits the current to 40 milliamps which is a reasonable amount of current for the battery circuit, and far below what the colloidal silver process will use. If the leads short together, at best, your batteries ($4.95 retail each) will quickly discharge and you'll be out buying new ones. At worst the heat generated could cause the wires to melt, and at an extreme, cause a fire. Why a 28 volt 40 milliamp lamp? Answer: Economies of supply. 28 volts because we don't want the bult to burn out if we short the wires together. When this happens all you've done is closed the switch on what is now the equivalent of a flashlight. If a smaller voltage bulb were used, it would glow very brightly for a short period of time and burn out. Then it would act like a blown fuse, i.e. no silver generation until replaced with a new bulb. 40 milliamps because it is a reasonable limiting value for the circuit and more importantly it is a commonly available bulb (at Radio Shack anyway). Just like the light bulbs you put in your lamps, these small lamps come in standard sizes. You can get different sizes which would work, but they are harder to get and much more expensive. Lastly the bulb serves as a battery condition indicator. The bulb serves no purpose in the silver generation process, it is only there for the reasons stated, and you can make a perfectly functioning generator without the bulb, by connecting the silver electrodes directly to the batteries. You just run the risk of running your batteries down quickly. If you are worried about a fire, either make sure nothing combustible is near the batteries wire, or don't do it. I hope this sheds some light (pun intended) on the situation. Direct all flames to me at w7...@usa.net -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:27 AM Subject: Re: An observation... I read that the 40 mA bulb was used to limit the current to 40 mA maximum -- and lower currents would be desirable, (if smaller bulbs were available) to minimize colloidal particle size. George's current is no where near 40 mA, and the results seem to be compromised or questionable, already (at 36 vdc). Does anyone know how to design a 5 mA current regulator ? (Any references or ideas appreciated.) Or, could one use 6 vdc, and keep a batch running 24 hours a day (in a dark place) ? --Bill At 10:10 AM 7-13-98 -5, Mike D. wrote: On 13 Jul 98 at 22:15, George Martin wrote: When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. Hello George, Excellent set of observations. Your setup is very similar to mine. I see the same effect at about the same current. I wonder if those are larger particles. A long time ago Rose used a microscope at work to look at some CS I made that was run for a long time (different apparatus and recipe than I'm using now). She saw much larger particles mixed with the almost invisible smaller ones. Above a certain current, some people have talked about burning the silver particles. I doubt that's a proper description, but it conveys the notion that the particles made are different. So it makes sense to try current limiting at something below that at which the descending cloud of darker particles is seen. That's what I would try. I've long thought that current limiting schemes of various sort would emerge as the best strategy once we start to really study the process. I've also wondered if there is a calculable property that would let you predict that threshold level, such as current density (current flow vs. surface area of electrodes). You're welcome to try the experiments. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line
Re: An observation...
George Martin wrote: Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. snip Regards, George Martin George, I read with interestyour email. I also have worked with less than the 28-36 volts commonly recommended, and commonly run at 15 volts with no current limiting, so thatr I can monitor the increasing current to determine the cutoff. I also use a pulsed DC, rather than a constat current. My theory is that by disrupting the current flow frequently (20KHz) that the tendancy for silver ions to be produced in larger'clumps' is less likely. Since I don't have access to a microscope to verify this, and financial resources need to be directed elswhere for now, this is still in the unproven theory stage. I use 8mA at 15 volts (meter averaged reading) as my cutoff, in hot distilled water, using 1/4 of a previous batch as a 'starter'. (Cuyrrent is directly related to electrode geometry, and is therefore relative to my setup: 3-1/4 wetted length, 14ga, 1/2 apart in an 8 oz container. I don't have occasion to use more than ~6 ounces per week to 10 days, so I don't make larger batches, preferring instead to make a new batch as I get down to the 1/4 level - using it to start my next batch. Even at the 120mW power level (8mA at 15 volts) I am just below where the product produced may begin to get a bit cloudy - seems that up to that current level, the resulting product is a very clear, deep golden yellow. At above 10 mA, however, a slight silvery hazyness begins to be detectable. Since the TDS1 reads 20PPM consistantly when the generating process is stopped at the 8mA reading at 15 volts, I have found it unnecessary to run beyond this point. While the silver sludge builds up on the negatively charged electrode (cathode), if the distilled water tests 000 or 001 on the TDS1 before starting, no precipitation is observed. Producing a pulsed DC CS generator supply is quite simple; a basic 555 timer astable circuit will produce more power than needed. Parts can be less than $25.00, including either a battery holder, or an AC plug in power supply; all available at Radio Shack. The 555 timer chip will tolerate up to 18 volts, which was a guideline in my early experimenting. If there's enough interest, I'll post a circuit diagram on my website for a 12 to 18 volt powered pulsed DC CS generator. If there's enough interest, I'll produce a PC board, parts list, and instructions for around $12.00. With enough interest, a full kit could be made available fairly reasonably. Generating your own quality CS doesn't have to be expensive! Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit on the 'back burner' for a while longer... Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
An observation and a comment
Observation:It seems to me that the $450 solar panel was to recharge the batteries and not to directly make the silver from the energy from the panels but rather make the silver using the batteries that where charged from the panels But I could be wrong... A comment:Could both of you boys take your pissing contest off line [Asbestos suit on - flame away!] Carl -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
