CSTesting CS
I have a Hanna 98308 TDS meter. Is it accurate for testing CS PPM? Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesting CS
Alan, The HI98308 is the PWT and it measures directly in PPM from .1 to 99.9 PPM TDS meters read in whole numbers and only read about 1/2 the silver so you double their readings. Trem -Original Message- From: Alan Faulkner [mailto:ala...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting CS I have a Hanna 98308 TDS meter. Is it accurate for testing CS PPM? Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting CS
Hello Trem: My silvergen will not shut offf after 3-4 hours using good ph distilled water. An suggestions. ThankYou On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote: Alan, The HI98308 is the PWT and it measures directly in PPM from .1 to 99.9 PPM TDS meters read in whole numbers and only read about 1/2 the silver so you double their readings. Trem -Original Message- From: Alan Faulkner [mailto:ala...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting CS I have a Hanna 98308 TDS meter. Is it accurate for testing CS PPM? Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSTesting CS
On 09/30/2014 02:36 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: I have a Hanna 98308 TDS meter. Is it accurate for testing CS PPM? My problem with TDS (total dissolved solids) meters, is that they have a rather arbitrary calibration, based on the assumption that the dissolved solid is some particular salt. I like a true (EC or electrical conductivity) conductivity meter. To convert microsiemens per cm conductivity to total dissolved solids you use a conversion factor to calculate the dissolved solids value for a specific substance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conductivity_%28electrolytic%29 http://www.tdsmeter.com/what-is?id=0019 Unfortunately, colloidal silver gives a different conductivity (lower) that ionic silver, for the same concentration. But either TDS or EC meters should give consistent and repeatable results for silver water made by the same method (where the ratio of colloidal to ionic silver should be pretty consistent). So if you like the solution you have made, making it, again, to the same reading, should produce about the same solution. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesting CS
Hello Gary, The generators will sometimes not shut off on the HIGH setting because the water will not accept any more ions and it keeps turning them into colloids which are not conductive. Just turn the dial down until it shuts off and that’s the maximum setting for the water you’re using. Usually around 2-3 O:clock will be about right. I hope this helps you. Best regards, Trem Williams customer_serv...@silvergen.com www.silvergen.com From: Gary Hilt [mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTesting CS Hello Trem: My silvergen will not shut offf after 3-4 hours using good ph distilled water. An suggestions. ThankYou On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote: Alan, The HI98308 is the PWT and it measures directly in PPM from .1 to 99.9 PPM TDS meters read in whole numbers and only read about 1/2 the silver so you double their readings. Trem -Original Message- From: Alan Faulkner [mailto:ala...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting CS I have a Hanna 98308 TDS meter. Is it accurate for testing CS PPM? Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: [...] No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode If you are seeing a significnt conductivity drop after the brew is finished, you have a contamination problem, most likely silver sulfide, or severe leaching from your soda-lime glass. This can easily give 60% drop in conductivity. If you remove the contamination, the conductivity drop should be around 8% or less. The conductivity of a solution is defined as the reciprocal of the resistance of a 1cm cube. The conductivity is directly proportional to the number of charge carriers in the solution. This is a linear function over the entire range of conductivities we use. For example, the Hanna HI 7033 Calibration Solution is 84uS/cm at 25C. This is a single point calibration, meaning all other measurements fit on a straight line down to zero and are a linear function of the conductivity. For silver and hydroxide ions, the relationship between conductivity and ppm is 1uS = 1 ppm, providing you have no contamination. I did a study long ago that shows this. Note the measurements cover the range of 3.3uS to 26uS. Here is the url: http://silvercentral.org/measure/1us2ppm.htm There is no reason to expect any deviation above this value, for example in the SilverCell process that can easily reach 44uS. If your measurements indicate the results above 30uS are a wild guess, then there is something seriously wrong with your measurements, or you have significant contamination problems, or both. Since you seem to be insensitive to contamination problems, I would guess both. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
Hogwash deleted. Ode At 06:21 AM 5/7/2012 -0400, you wrote: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: [...] No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode If you are seeing a significnt conductivity drop after the brew is finished, you have a contamination problem, most likely silver sulfide, or severe leaching from your soda-lime glass. This can easily give 60% drop in conductivity. If you remove the contamination, the conductivity drop should be around 8% or less. The conductivity of a solution is defined as the reciprocal of the resistance of a 1cm cube. The conductivity is directly proportional to the number of charge carriers in the solution. This is a linear function over the entire range of conductivities we use. For example, the Hanna HI 7033 Calibration Solution is 84uS/cm at 25C. This is a single point calibration, meaning all other measurements fit on a straight line down to zero and are a linear function of the conductivity. For silver and hydroxide ions, the relationship between conductivity and ppm is 1uS = 1 ppm, providing you have no contamination. I did a study long ago that shows this. Note the measurements cover the range of 3.3uS to 26uS. Here is the url: http://silvercentral.org/measure/1us2ppm.htm There is no reason to expect any deviation above this value, for example in the SilverCell process that can easily reach 44uS. If your measurements indicate the results above 30uS are a wild guess, then there is something seriously wrong with your measurements, or you have significant contamination problems, or both. Since you seem to be insensitive to contamination problems, I would guess both. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
Ken, I'm sure glad you know how to tell the difference, and left all the good stuff! And thanks for confirming my figure of a 60% drop in conductivity with your own measurments of 65%. That shows the problem is real and affects everyone. Thanks, Mike Monett Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: Hogwash deleted. Ode At 06:21 AM 5/7/2012 -0400, you wrote: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: [...] No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode If you are seeing a significnt conductivity drop after the brew is finished, you have a contamination problem, most likely silver sulfide, or severe leaching from your soda-lime glass. This can easily give 60% drop in conductivity. If you remove the contamination, the conductivity drop should be around 8% or less. The conductivity of a solution is defined as the reciprocal of the resistance of a 1cm cube. The conductivity is directly proportional to the number of charge carriers in the solution. This is a linear function over the entire range of conductivities we use. For example, the Hanna HI 7033 Calibration Solution is 84uS/cm at 25C. This is a single point calibration, meaning all other measurements fit on a straight line down to zero and are a linear function of the conductivity. For silver and hydroxide ions, the relationship between conductivity and ppm is 1uS = 1 ppm, providing you have no contamination. I did a study long ago that shows this. Note the measurements cover the range of 3.3uS to 26uS. Here is the url: http://silvercentral.org/measure/1us2ppm.htm There is no reason to expect any deviation above this value, for example in the SilverCell process that can easily reach 44uS. If your measurements indicate the results above 30uS are a wild guess, then there is something seriously wrong with your measurements, or you have significant contamination problems, or both. Since you seem to be insensitive to contamination problems, I would guess both. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
Both meters measure conductivity and particles aren't conductive. You have it backwards. Meters detect ONLY ionic content. The PWT doesn't run the conductivity number through an equation meant for salt water. Roughly double a TDS number to get what a PWT says. No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode At 06:56 PM 5/5/2012 -0700, you wrote: Monette M mentioned that ionic silver 20+ PPM is good to take when one is ill. How does one measure ionic silver's ppm. I have both PWT and TDS meters and i understand they measure colloidal silver's particles. Thanks. Melly
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
I missed Melly's post so I will reply through here. TDS meters can have different calibration depensing on the application. One is a factor of 2 different from conductivity measured with a pwt. The other calibration is a different number. You often cannot tell which number was used to calibrate the TDS. So you cannot simply double the reading. If you have a pwt also, simply measure the cs with both meters and take the ratio. This will tell you what the calibration factor is. You most likely have some silver sulfide tarnish on the electrodes from automobile combustion and other sources. This releases sulfur ions into the solution during the brew and can significantly disrupt the brew. The sulfur contamination cannot be detected with a pwt. By far the best way to detemine the quality of your cs is with the Salt Test. It is immune to the contamination and will give you a direct indication of the silver ion content. Please see the following link for more information. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/560?l=1 Thanks, Mike Monett Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: Both meters measure conductivity and particles aren't conductive. You have it backwards. Meters detect ONLY ionic content. The PWT doesn't run the conductivity number through an equation meant for salt water. Roughly double a TDS number to get what a PWT says. No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode At 06:56 PM 5/5/2012 -0700, you wrote: Monette M mentioned that ionic silver 20+ PPM is good to take when one is ill. How does one measure ionic silver's ppm. I have both PWT and TDS meters and i understand they measure colloidal silver's particles. Thanks. Melly -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
Monette M mentioned that ionic silver 20+ PPM is good to take when one is ill. How does one measure ionic silver's ppm. I have both PWT and TDS meters and i understand they measure colloidal silver's particles. Thanks. Melly
Re: CStesting with PH test strips
I would like to test my cs at differet PPM's for how alkaline it is, but am not sure what type of strips I need to accomplish this with. Can anyone tell me what to shop for? Thanks, Lin
RE: CSTesting pH?
Continued reading up on ph testing is gradually steering me towards either test
strips or those el cheapo type meters similar to soil moisture testers, just a
long prong you stick in the dirt {or in this case, water}, either of the above
seems like the best 'less fuss' option for my purpose.
N.
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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 21:02:40 -0500
Subject: RE: CSTesting pH?
Neville writes:
Most articles I've read talk about keeping that probe wet all the time.
I don't think that's important for my purpose though.
I'd have to ask my wife, the scientist, but i seem to remember that
some pH probes do have to be protected by keeping them in a calibration
solution all the time when not in use, or they might go bad.
I'll ask her, but if the equipment manufacturer says so, you'd probably
want to do it.
Be well,
Mike D.
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RE: CSTesting pH?
Hi Neville, The keeping wet instruction is to prevent premature death of the pH probe. they go for years if looked after properly . Some probes may go down, never to recover, in a month or so if not cared for. OK, Tony On 5 Jul 2010 at 10:57, Neville Munn wrote about : Subject : RE: CSTesting pH? Hi Tony, Most articles I've read talk about keeping that probe wet all the time. I don't think that's important for my purpose though. I'd say that's only if a degree of accuracy was of the utmost importance, more in laboratory situations I suspect as opposed to the kitchen benchtop. I think I've got the answer I've been looking for. Cheers N. From: a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:24:33 +0200 Subject: RE: CSTesting pH? Hi Neville, Taking a guess here . The buffer may be a solution made up to be a fixed pH for testing and monitoring and adjusting the pH meter. From memory, watching others setting up and calibrating pH electrodes and meters, there were two such solutions at or near the ends of the upper and lower range of the desired measurement range. But usually only one solution is sufficient for checking, once the meter and electrode is set. A buffer solution is chosen to be a stable pH even though it has aged or been stuffed up in other ways. It should be a steady, reliable known pH. OK, Tony On 3 Jul 2010 at 11:28, Neville Munn wrote about : Subject : RE: CSTesting pH? This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take a measurement *as is*. I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution. Why do you add the reagent Harold? Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything, just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch. N. From: har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting pH? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700 I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com _ View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
RE: CSTesting pH?
Hi Tony, Most articles I've read talk about keeping that probe wet all the time. I don't think that's important for my purpose though. I'd say that's only if a degree of accuracy was of the utmost importance, more in laboratory situations I suspect as opposed to the kitchen benchtop. I think I've got the answer I've been looking for. Cheers N. From: a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:24:33 +0200 Subject: RE: CSTesting pH? Hi Neville, Taking a guess here . The buffer may be a solution made up to be a fixed pH for testing and monitoring and adjusting the pH meter. From memory, watching others setting up and calibrating pH electrodes and meters, there were two such solutions at or near the ends of the upper and lower range of the desired measurement range. But usually only one solution is sufficient for checking, once the meter and electrode is set. A buffer solution is chosen to be a stable pH even though it has aged or been stuffed up in other ways. It should be a steady, reliable known pH. OK, Tony On 3 Jul 2010 at 11:28, Neville Munn wrote about : Subject : RE: CSTesting pH? This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take a measurement *as is*. I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution. Why do you add the reagent Harold? Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything, just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch. N. From: har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting pH? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700 I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com _ View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
RE: CSTesting pH?
Neville writes: Most articles I've read talk about keeping that probe wet all the time. I don't think that's important for my purpose though. I'd have to ask my wife, the scientist, but i seem to remember that some pH probes do have to be protected by keeping them in a calibration solution all the time when not in use, or they might go bad. I'll ask her, but if the equipment manufacturer says so, you'd probably want to do it. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesting pH?
Oops, OK, Sorry, my mistake.
I did say my knowledge of chemistry was minimal {but I am still reading in an
attempt to get a better grasp of pH testing methods} g.
N.
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 21:21:13 -0500
Subject: RE: CSTesting pH?
Neville,
The chemical Harold is adding is not a buffer, but simply an
*indicator* that changes color over a range of pH. It's a similar thing
to the stuff that's soaked into litmus paper. It should *not* change
the pH of the sample, if it's properly designed and made.
Buffers, as you say, are designed to adjust the pH to a particular
value, and don't necessarily have anything to do with measuring the pH.
The only way I can think they might is by measuring the amount needed
to achieve that pH change you could possibly get some indication of the
composition of the acid or alkaline chemistry of the sample. That's
just a guess on my part, however. I don't have any experience with such
systems.
Be well,
Mike D.
This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change
anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take
a measurement *as is*.
I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply
wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution.
Why do you add the reagent Harold?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing
or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a
neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything,
just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch.
N.
From: har...@telus.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSTesting pH?
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700
I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2
drops in a measured amt of water.
Harold
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RE: CSTesting pH?
Hi Neville, Taking a guess here . The buffer may be a solution made up to be a fixed pH for testing and monitoring and adjusting the pH meter. From memory, watching others setting up and calibrating pH electrodes and meters, there were two such solutions at or near the ends of the upper and lower range of the desired measurement range. But usually only one solution is sufficient for checking, once the meter and electrode is set. A buffer solution is chosen to be a stable pH even though it has aged or been stuffed up in other ways. It should be a steady, reliable known pH. OK, Tony On 3 Jul 2010 at 11:28, Neville Munn wrote about : Subject : RE: CSTesting pH? This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take a measurement *as is*. I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution. Why do you add the reagent Harold? Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything, just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch. N. From: har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting pH? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700 I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesting pH?
Exactly.
The Litumus paper is to see what the PH is, the buffer to change it and
Litumus paper is to see what the PH is then.
Ode
At 09:55 PM 7/2/2010 +1030, you wrote:
Don't know if you've misunderstood the question Ode?
Most articles I read about pH testing there is mention of a buffer
solution, not being chemistry minded, and my understanding in these
matters is minimal {whilst I continue my search for relevant material}
therefore I just wanted to know if a meter/paper could be used *as is*
without the necessity for that buffer solution.
It seems to me that the reason buffer solutions are used is if one wishes
to *change* the acidity or alkalinity of that solution which is being
tested as a means of 'compensation'...I don't want to *change* or
*compensate* for anything...just want to know if I can dip the paper/meter
in the water and use that pH reading as a reference of pH of that solution.
Do you follow what I'm saying?
PH will be different at cessation of production to what it will be after
suitable time frame has elapsed...to a point whereby I suppose the pH
reaches a point of 'stabilization?'...Yes/No? Not dissimilar to the
silver solution time frame for stabilization.
N.
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 05:59:00 -0400
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: odecoy...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: CSTesting pH?
It seems to me that if you do buffer a solution, you are using the
paper/meter to test the PH altering effect of the buffer and would have to
test the solution both before and after buffering it.
Ode
At 05:34 PM 7/2/2010 +1030, you wrote:
If I wanted to test pH of distilled water or my EIS/CS solutions do I
need
to use that 'buffer' solution or can I simply use a pH meter or paper
strips...in, out, job done so to speak?
N.
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If I wanted to test pH of distilled water or my EIS/CS solutions do I need to use that 'buffer' solution or can I simply use a pH meter or paper strips...in, out, job done so to speak? N. _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
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It seems to me that if you do buffer a solution, you are using the paper/meter to test the PH altering effect of the buffer and would have to test the solution both before and after buffering it. Ode At 05:34 PM 7/2/2010 +1030, you wrote: If I wanted to test pH of distilled water or my EIS/CS solutions do I need to use that 'buffer' solution or can I simply use a pH meter or paper strips...in, out, job done so to speak? N. -- Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Don't know if you've misunderstood the question Ode?
Most articles I read about pH testing there is mention of a buffer solution,
not being chemistry minded, and my understanding in these matters is minimal
{whilst I continue my search for relevant material} therefore I just wanted to
know if a meter/paper could be used *as is* without the necessity for that
buffer solution.
It seems to me that the reason buffer solutions are used is if one wishes to
*change* the acidity or alkalinity of that solution which is being tested as a
means of 'compensation'...I don't want to *change* or *compensate* for
anything...just want to know if I can dip the paper/meter in the water and use
that pH reading as a reference of pH of that solution.
Do you follow what I'm saying?
PH will be different at cessation of production to what it will be after
suitable time frame has elapsed...to a point whereby I suppose the pH reaches a
point of 'stabilization?'...Yes/No? Not dissimilar to the silver solution time
frame for stabilization.
N.
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 05:59:00 -0400
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: odecoy...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: CSTesting pH?
It seems to me that if you do buffer a solution, you are using the
paper/meter to test the PH altering effect of the buffer and would have to
test the solution both before and after buffering it.
Ode
At 05:34 PM 7/2/2010 +1030, you wrote:
If I wanted to test pH of distilled water or my EIS/CS solutions do I need
to use that 'buffer' solution or can I simply use a pH meter or paper
strips...in, out, job done so to speak?
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Re: CSTesting pH?
Neville Munn wrote: If I wanted to test pH of distilled water or my EIS/CS solutions do I need to use that 'buffer' solution or can I simply use a pH meter or paper strips...in, out, job done so to speak? N. Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ Just test the water, do not buffer it or you will get a wrong answer. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thank You kind Sir. N. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:31:40 -0400 From: mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTesting pH? Neville Munn wrote: If I wanted to test pH of distilled water or my EIS/CS solutions do I need to use that 'buffer' solution or can I simply use a pH meter or paper strips...in, out, job done so to speak? N. Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ Just test the water, do not buffer it or you will get a wrong answer. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com _ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
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I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold
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This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take a measurement *as is*. I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution. Why do you add the reagent Harold? Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything, just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch. N. From: har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting pH? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700 I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/
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Neville, The chemical Harold is adding is not a buffer, but simply an *indicator* that changes color over a range of pH. It's a similar thing to the stuff that's soaked into litmus paper. It should *not* change the pH of the sample, if it's properly designed and made. Buffers, as you say, are designed to adjust the pH to a particular value, and don't necessarily have anything to do with measuring the pH. The only way I can think they might is by measuring the amount needed to achieve that pH change you could possibly get some indication of the composition of the acid or alkaline chemistry of the sample. That's just a guess on my part, however. I don't have any experience with such systems. Be well, Mike D. This is why I asked if a buffer is *necessary*, I don't want to change anything, and I don't want to 'neutralise' anything, I just want to take a measurement *as is*. I'm content now, knowing that a buffer is not a requirement if simply wanting to take a straight measurement of water or a solution. Why do you add the reagent Harold? Correct me if I'm wrong, but buffers are for the purpose of increasing or decreasing acidity/alkalinity as a compensatory measure to create a neutral pH are they not? I don't wish to alter or neutralise anything, just get a reading of pH of the water/solution as it is from scratch. N. From: har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTesting pH? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:26:24 -0700 I test my Distilled water using an aquarium kit.It uses a blue reagent,2 drops in a measured amt of water. Harold _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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same here - Original Message From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 2:29:37 PM Subject: CStesting I'm sending this as I have had two replies sent back as undeliverable! dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Nothing wrong with battery units. *All* generators have a use just as *all* solutions or suspensions have a use, one just needs to know when to use a battery one and how/why and in what circumstance one would use it, that's something this 'one' decides. Sorry Dave but must support the grass roots of the industry, not polite to turn ones back on ones roots. It's not all about the 'teeniest weeniest itty bitty' particles in 'crystal clear mountain glacier' water, there's far more to it than that for me which is why I must defend the little beggars...for all their rudimentary crudeness. N. Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:07:17 -0700 Subject: Re: CSTesting From: davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com I used 20 ppm approx. for my battle with Lyme. The colloid master Model 777 www.wishgranted.com makes a gallon at a time with a sun tea jar using two maple leaves hung in the water with flat straps so they stay straight with each other,you can decant from the spigot without filtering. No stirring needed as the polarity is reversed every 55 seconds. No hassle to that arrangement. I wouldn't have anything else. Of course I don't get any kicks out of sitting in the middle of my lawn and watching the grass grow either. That is about what you get with the battery arrangements. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Mike. I think that most people aim for a ppm-level of around 10. We are happy with anything in the range from as low as 5 ppms to as high as 20 ppms. Mine is rarely higher than 14 or 15. No -- most of us aren't guessing -- we're using a tester of some sort. Mine is a Hanna tester (available from www.wishgranted.com). You simply dip the end of the unit into your silver solution and it gives a digital readout of the approximate ppm level. Yes -- approximate. This tester isn't designed to measure ppms of silver -- there actually isn't any unit designed to do that -- but this comes pretty darn close for a reasonable price. I think I paid $55.00 for mine. Plus shipping. Incidentally -- there are proponents of the theory that the lower ppm-level CS is as effective, or more effective than the higher ppm-level CS. IOW -- 5 ppms are just fine. Quality control is mostly visual -- if you process it correctly, and your tester gives you a reading of between 5 and 20 ppms, and your product is perfectly clear, then you have good quality Colloidal Silver. Or, Electrically Isolated Silver, as we like to call it here. Hope this helps. MA On 8/19/2009 9:55:16 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: I've now read a number of posts regarding how much and how often folks take CS in the attempt to treat Lyme. However, no posts have actually spoke to the strength of the solution, which to me seems to be a very important variable. For instance, one teaspoon of a 5000 ppm solution is a heck of a lot more silver than 1 gallon of a 1 ppm solution. I mean, for you folks out there making your own silver solutionsdo you have any idea how strong it is, or are you just guessing? If you do, what do you use for quality control? Mike _ What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx
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I don't I just use as much as works! I had my lymph gland which comes up the jaw and into the cheek, suddenly hurt and swelled right up like a balloon. I drank about forty mls of my CS which is approximately 10ppm (between 5-8 on the TDS meter) every ten minutes or so for two hours and it shrunk to almost nothing. Took the same every half hour and in four hours total, it had gone. dee On 20 Aug 2009, at 02:55, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Dee.I've now read a number of posts regarding how much and how often folks take CS in the attempt to treat Lyme. However, no posts have actually spoke to the strength of the solution, which to me seems to be a very important variable. For instance, one teaspoon of a 5000 ppm solution is a heck of a lot more silver than 1 gallon of a 1 ppm solution. I mean, for you folks out there making your own silver solutionsdo you have any idea how strong it is, or are you just guessing? If you do, what do you use for quality control? Mike
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My experience is that chronic Lyme responds favorably to CS alone, but it is impossible to completely cure because it hides in places where CS cannot get to. I have found that to cure chronic Lyme requires the full Bob Beck protocol, especially the pulser to get it out of the lymph and joints. Marshall Scott Adams wrote: I have to say I am very skeptical that Chronic Lyme would be cured in that short a time. My wife is on 12oz a day for the last 5 months. We can say its in remission, but we don't believe its cured. If even one spirochete is in a cyst somewhere or a biofilm it can rebound when the body gets stressed. If you did indeed have Chronic Lyme and got cured that is wonderful. I just find it hard to believe with all the studying and research I have been doing on this disease in the last 3 years. Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com mailto:msad...@msadams.com www.msadams.com http://www.msadams.com/ Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/ *From:* Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:52 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSTesting After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com http://granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. I never took any antibiotics as the doctor didn't think I had it. He saw the rash as it kept repeating every few years and the tests came back positive but he said that Lyme isn't a problem in this area . As if I only stayed here. I contacted the disease in Germany in1957. That was before it even had a name. If you have late Lyme you can imagine what I went through in that length of time. That was about 8 years ago and it takes a long time to heal from the damage even after the spirochetes are gone. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com mailto:papad...@gmail.com wrote: Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks I will pass this information on to her. Did you notice any GI problems during this time? That would seem to have killed off your good gut bacteria. _ From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTesting Have her try the treatment every twenty minutes to totally saturate her tissues and see if that doesn't do the trick. I'm not in remission --I got rid of it. I had done a lot of research on it as well and that is why I figured a total saturation would have to be done(take more in than your body can eliminate). Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote: I have to say I am very skeptical that Chronic Lyme would be cured in that short a time. My wife is on 12oz a day for the last 5 months. We can say its in remission, but we don't believe its cured. If even one spirochete is in a cyst somewhere or a biofilm it can rebound when the body gets stressed. If you did indeed have Chronic Lyme and got cured that is wonderful. I just find it hard to believe with all the studying and research I have been doing on this disease in the last 3 years. Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com www.msadams.com http://www.msadams.com/ Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/ _ From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTesting After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. I never took any antibiotics as the doctor didn't think I had it. He saw the rash as it kept repeating every few years and the tests came back positive but he said that Lyme isn't a problem in this area . As if I only stayed here. I contacted the disease in Germany in1957. That was before it even had a name. If you have late Lyme you can imagine what I went through in that length of time. That was about 8 years ago and it takes a long time to heal from the damage even after the spirochetes are gone. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Marshalee (nice name), would very much appreciate the intructions to build a CS maker. I bought one but would like to have a back up. Also, thanks for the great testimony. Orrilia From: Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:21:39 PM Subject: Re: CSTesting Hi! Please STOP taking Invive right now!!! It WILL turn you blue! (and it will certainly put you in the poor house...) I`ll email you the directions for the simple generator, which makes CS for a few cents a gallon! I have used it since 1996, and am now as well as can be, and still pink as a piggy! (Fat as one too. sigh...Love that chocolate, way too much! LOL) Yes, CS is the ONLY thing that stopped my Lyme. Doxy for 6 years didn`t. (I wouldn`t take the iv crap.) Only side effects: it stops mild depressions, eases a allergic reactions and asthma. (All in my own personal experience.) CS made the way I make it won`t turn you blue as it is so fine it is easily excreted via the liver. I take 1 swallow per day as a preventive, 3 for active infections (as in tummy ache from eating something off.) My swallow = 1/3 Cup. Dangers? none! Have used it successfully for birds (giardia) guinea pigs (eye infections) Pugs (smelly breath) plants (mold) and cut flowers (they last for weeks!) PLMK if you have further questions. If you want my whole story, you can email me privately and I`ll send my phone number. (My brain damage tells me I have no feet and sitting here make them swell and ache. So it is easier to chat on the phone. I can call back on my cheap long distance nickel if you prefer.) I`d like to hear YOUR story, too! Be WELL Marshalee, mom to 4 grandma to 9, 8 living, and owned by 2 Pug dogs. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Marshallee... Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme. Mine is in the late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only diagnosed 3 years ago. Three years of antibiotics, both orally and shots, haven't helped too much so I'm looking into other options. CS appears to be a recommended option and I've just started using a product called Invive 5000 ppm.however, at the recommended dosage of 4 teaspoons per day it will become somewhat expensive at $100 per 118 ml bottle. So I have some questions, if you don't mind. Are you confident CS was the primary reason for the Lyme being cured? Could it have been something else? What was the strength and dosage you were taking, and for what duration? What side effects should I be concerned about? (so far the only thing I've read about is skin discoloration) Who manufactures a good product at a reasonable price? Is is worth making my own CS solution, how difficult is it, and what dangers are involved? thanks! Mike Jackson, NJ __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
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not with the apostrophe there, I wouldn't have thought. dee On 18 Aug 2009, at 21:32, Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave
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I don't think anyone would recommend taking this ppm for any length of time. Much better (and cheaper!) to make your own and just as, if not more, effective. dee On 19 Aug 2009, at 01:10, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Marshallee... Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme. Mine is in the late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only diagnosed 3 years ago. Three years of antibiotics, both orally and shots, haven't helped too much so I'm looking into other options. CS appears to be a recommended option and I've just started using a product called Invive 5000 ppm.however, at the recommended dosage of 4 teaspoons per day it will become somewhat expensive at $100 per 118 ml bottle. So I have some questions, if you don't mind.
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Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. I never took any antibiotics as the doctor didn't think I had it. He saw the rash as it kept repeating every few years and the tests came back positive but he said that Lyme isn't a problem in this area . As if I only stayed here. I contacted the disease in Germany in1957. That was before it even had a name. If you have late Lyme you can imagine what I went through in that length of time. That was about 8 years ago and it takes a long time to heal from the damage even after the spirochetes are gone. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. Did you have a test to determine if you were rid of Lyme ? Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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How much did you take during the 3 days? On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. I never took any antibiotics as the doctor didn't think I had it. He saw the rash as it kept repeating every few years and the tests came back positive but he said that Lyme isn't a problem in this area . As if I only stayed here. I contacted the disease in Germany in1957. That was before it even had a name. If you have late Lyme you can imagine what I went through in that length of time. That was about 8 years ago and it takes a long time to heal from the damage even after the spirochetes are gone. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
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Smitty wrote: After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. Did you have a test to determine if you were rid of Lyme ? Do they even have a test that will tell you with any accuracy. When I had Lyme the tests were over 50% unreliable. False positives AND negatives. They were a total waste of money. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have to say I am very skeptical that Chronic Lyme would be cured in that short a time. My wife is on 12oz a day for the last 5 months. We can say its in remission, but we don't believe its cured. If even one spirochete is in a cyst somewhere or a biofilm it can rebound when the body gets stressed. If you did indeed have Chronic Lyme and got cured that is wonderful. I just find it hard to believe with all the studying and research I have been doing on this disease in the last 3 years. Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com www.msadams.com http://www.msadams.com/ Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/ _ From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTesting After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. I never took any antibiotics as the doctor didn't think I had it. He saw the rash as it kept repeating every few years and the tests came back positive but he said that Lyme isn't a problem in this area . As if I only stayed here. I contacted the disease in Germany in1957. That was before it even had a name. If you have late Lyme you can imagine what I went through in that length of time. That was about 8 years ago and it takes a long time to heal from the damage even after the spirochetes are gone. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I chugged two pints of purchased CS and then I was making my own so I took 4ozs every 20 minutes for the three days until I awoke in the middle of the night feeling just great as if a fever had broken or something like that. I believe the frequency of the treatments made the difference. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote: How much did you take during the 3 days? On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. I never took any antibiotics as the doctor didn't think I had it. He saw the rash as it kept repeating every few years and the tests came back positive but he said that Lyme isn't a problem in this area . As if I only stayed here. I contacted the disease in Germany in1957. That was before it even had a name. If you have late Lyme you can imagine what I went through in that length of time. That was about 8 years ago and it takes a long time to heal from the damage even after the spirochetes are gone. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
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The tests aren't conclusive but they say it's a clinical diagnosis that takes in the visible such as the migrans rash that isn't seen in other settings. The thing is I knew what I had because I had lived with it. I don't have it now and haven't had any relapses. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Smitty wrote: After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. Did you have a test to determine if you were rid of Lyme ? Do they even have a test that will tell you with any accuracy. When I had Lyme the tests were over 50% unreliable. False positives AND negatives. They were a total waste of money. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Have her try the treatment every twenty minutes to totally saturate her tissues and see if that doesn't do the trick. I'm not in remission --I got rid of it. I had done a lot of research on it as well and that is why I figured a total saturation would have to be done(take more in than your body can eliminate). Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote: I have to say I am very skeptical that Chronic Lyme would be cured in that short a time. My wife is on 12oz a day for the last 5 months. We can say its in remission, but we don't believe its cured. If even one spirochete is in a cyst somewhere or a biofilm it can rebound when the body gets stressed. If you did indeed have Chronic Lyme and got cured that is wonderful. I just find it hard to believe with all the studying and research I have been doing on this disease in the last 3 years. Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com www.msadams.com Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/ -- *From:* Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:52 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSTesting After 42 years of late Lyme I bought a CS maker from Wish granted.com and it took me three days to rid myself of Lyme. I never took any antibiotics as the doctor didn't think I had it. He saw the rash as it kept repeating every few years and the tests came back positive but he said that Lyme isn't a problem in this area . As if I only stayed here. I contacted the disease in Germany in1957. That was before it even had a name. If you have late Lyme you can imagine what I went through in that length of time. That was about 8 years ago and it takes a long time to heal from the damage even after the spirochetes are gone. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Dave: Are you gonna make your OWN CS maker ? Smitty On 8/19/09, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Limes is a plural as well as a noun. Why didn't you capitalize lime to make a noun of it. Lime with an apostrophe and an s denotes possession -- so what belonged to that Lyme? I think any one would extrapolate a small green fruit with the appearance of a small green orange would be a Lime. Dave We don't have anything useful to talk about today eh. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dave Darrin wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. Lyme's is the possessive form of Lyme, as in Lyme's symptoms are. What are the little green oranges? Are you talking about limes? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dee.I've now read a number of posts regarding how much and how often folks take CS in the attempt to treat Lyme. However, no posts have actually spoke to the strength of the solution, which to me seems to be a very important variable. For instance, one teaspoon of a 5000 ppm solution is a heck of a lot more silver than 1 gallon of a 1 ppm solution. I mean, for you folks out there making your own silver solutionsdo you have any idea how strong it is, or are you just guessing? If you do, what do you use for quality control? Mike - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:20 am Subject: Re: CSTesting To: silver-list@eskimo.com I don't think anyone would recommend taking this ppm for any length of time. Much better (and cheaper!) to make your own and just as, if not more, effective. dee On 19 Aug 2009, at 01:10, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Marshallee... Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme. Mine is in the late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only diagnosed 3 years ago. Three years of antibiotics, both orally and shots, haven't helped too much so I'm looking into other options. CS appears to be a recommended option and I've just started using a product called Invive 5000 ppm.however, at the recommended dosage of 4 teaspoons per day it will become somewhat expensive at $100 per 118 ml bottle. So I have some questions, if you don't mind.
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The most common ppm range of home made CS is in the 10 to 20 ppm range. It is very effective. It can be used with impunity. High ppm commercial stuff is silver combined with something else such as silver nitrate or a mild silver protein. These need more knowledge to use safely and can cause agryia. Chuck NJ State Bird is the Mosquito. On 8/19/2009 9:55:16 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Dee. I've now read a number of posts regarding how much and how often folks take CS in the attempt to treat Lyme. However, no posts have actually spoke to the strength of the solution, which to me seems to be a very important variable. For instance, one teaspoon of a 5000 ppm solution is a heck of a lot more silver than 1 gallon of a 1 ppm solution. I mean, for you folks out there making your own silver solutionsdo you have any idea how strong it is, or are you just guessing? If you do, what do you use for quality control? Mike - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:20 am Subject: Re: CSTesting To: silver-list@eskimo.com I don't think anyone would recommend taking this ppm for any length of time. Much better (and cheaper!) to make your own and just as, if not more, effective. dee On 19 Aug 2009, at 01:10, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Marshallee... Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme. Mine is in the late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only diagnosed 3 years ago. Three years o No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.61/2313 - Release Date: 08/19/09 06:03:00
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Hi Mike. I think that most people aim for a ppm-level of around 10. We are happy with anything in the range from as low as 5 ppms to as high as 20 ppms. Mine is rarely higher than 14 or 15. No -- most of us aren't guessing -- we're using a tester of some sort. Mine is a Hanna tester (available from www.wishgranted.com). You simply dip the end of the unit into your silver solution and it gives a digital readout of the approximate ppm level. Yes -- approximate. This tester isn't designed to measure ppms of silver -- there actually isn't any unit designed to do that -- but this comes pretty darn close for a reasonable price. I think I paid $55.00 for mine. Plus shipping. Incidentally -- there are proponents of the theory that the lower ppm-level CS is as effective, or more effective than the higher ppm-level CS. IOW -- 5 ppms are just fine. Quality control is mostly visual -- if you process it correctly, and your tester gives you a reading of between 5 and 20 ppms, and your product is perfectly clear, then you have good quality Colloidal Silver. Or, Electrically Isolated Silver, as we like to call it here. Hope this helps. MA On 8/19/2009 9:55:16 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: I've now read a number of posts regarding how much and how often folks take CS in the attempt to treat Lyme. However, no posts have actually spoke to the strength of the solution, which to me seems to be a very important variable. For instance, one teaspoon of a 5000 ppm solution is a heck of a lot more silver than 1 gallon of a 1 ppm solution. I mean, for you folks out there making your own silver solutionsdo you have any idea how strong it is, or are you just guessing? If you do, what do you use for quality control? Mike
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I used 20 ppm approx. for my battle with Lyme. The colloid master Model 777 www.wishgranted.com makes a gallon at a time with a sun tea jar using two maple leaves hung in the water with flat straps so they stay straight with each other,you can decant from the spigot without filtering. No stirring needed as the polarity is reversed every 55 seconds. No hassle to that arrangement. I wouldn't have anything else. Of course I don't get any kicks out of sitting in the middle of my lawn and watching the grass grow either. That is about what you get with the battery arrangements. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hi Mike. I think that most people aim for a ppm-level of around 10. We are happy with anything in the range from as low as 5 ppms to as high as 20 ppms. Mine is rarely higher than 14 or 15. No -- most of us aren't guessing -- we're using a tester of some sort. Mine is a Hanna tester (available from www.wishgranted.com). You simply dip the end of the unit into your silver solution and it gives a digital readout of the approximate ppm level. Yes -- approximate. This tester isn't designed to measure ppms of silver -- there actually isn't any unit designed to do that -- but this comes pretty darn close for a reasonable price. I think I paid $55.00 for mine. Plus shipping. Incidentally -- there are proponents of the theory that the lower ppm-level CS is as effective, or more effective than the higher ppm-level CS. IOW -- 5 ppms are just fine. Quality control is mostly visual -- if you process it correctly, and your tester gives you a reading of between 5 and 20 ppms, and your product is perfectly clear, then you have good quality Colloidal Silver. Or, Electrically Isolated Silver, as we like to call it here. Hope this helps. MA On 8/19/2009 9:55:16 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: I've now read a number of posts regarding how much and how often folks take CS in the attempt to treat Lyme. However, no posts have actually spoke to the strength of the solution, which to me seems to be a very important variable. For instance, one teaspoon of a 5000 ppm solution is a heck of a lot more silver than 1 gallon of a 1 ppm solution. I mean, for you folks out there making your own silver solutionsdo you have any idea how strong it is, or are you just guessing? If you do, what do you use for quality control? Mike
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That 5000 stuff is bound in protein and not any more bio available than about A 10 ppm home made solution if that much. Ions of silver which home made mainly consists of can go where protein molecules can't without getting stuck and causing Argeria. Dave On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:37 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hi Mike. I think that most people aim for a ppm-level of around 10. We are happy with anything in the range from as low as 5 ppms to as high as 20 ppms. Mine is rarely higher than 14 or 15. No -- most of us aren't guessing -- we're using a tester of some sort. Mine is a Hanna tester (available from www.wishgranted.com). You simply dip the end of the unit into your silver solution and it gives a digital readout of the approximate ppm level. Yes -- approximate. This tester isn't designed to measure ppms of silver -- there actually isn't any unit designed to do that -- but this comes pretty darn close for a reasonable price. I think I paid $55.00 for mine. Plus shipping. Incidentally -- there are proponents of the theory that the lower ppm-level CS is as effective, or more effective than the higher ppm-level CS. IOW -- 5 ppms are just fine. Quality control is mostly visual -- if you process it correctly, and your tester gives you a reading of between 5 and 20 ppms, and your product is perfectly clear, then you have good quality Colloidal Silver. Or, Electrically Isolated Silver, as we like to call it here. Hope this helps. MA On 8/19/2009 9:55:16 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: I've now read a number of posts regarding how much and how often folks take CS in the attempt to treat Lyme. However, no posts have actually spoke to the strength of the solution, which to me seems to be a very important variable. For instance, one teaspoon of a 5000 ppm solution is a heck of a lot more silver than 1 gallon of a 1 ppm solution. I mean, for you folks out there making your own silver solutionsdo you have any idea how strong it is, or are you just guessing? If you do, what do you use for quality control? Mike
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If Invive will help with the Lyme, that's fine by me.I'd rather have skin discoloration than continue to be sick (really, I mean itI'd rather glow like a neon sign than continue to feel the way I do) - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:22 pm Subject: Re: CSTesting To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi! Please STOP taking Invive right now!!! It WILL turn you blue! (and it will certainly put you in the poor house...)I`ll email you the directionsfor the simple generator, which makes CS for a few cents a gallon! I have used it since 1996, and am now as well as can be, and still pink as a piggy! (Fat as one too. sigh...Love that chocolate, way too much! LOL) Yes, CS is the ONLY thing that stopped my Lyme. Doxy for 6 years didn`t. (I wouldn`t take the iv crap.) Only side effects: it stops mild depressions, eases a allergic reactions and asthma. (All in my own personal experience.) CS made the way I make it won`t turn you blue as it is so fine it is easily excreted via the liver. I take 1 swallow per day as a preventive, 3 for active infections (as in tummy ache from eating something off.) My swallow = 1/3 Cup. Dangers? none! Have used it successfully for birds (giardia) guinea pigs (eye infections)Pugs (smelly breath) plants (mold) and cut flowers (they last for weeks!) PLMK if you have further questions. If you want my whole story, you can email me privately and I`ll send my phone number. (My brain damage tells me I have no feet and sitting here make them swell and ache. So it is easier to chat on the phone. I can call back on my cheap long distance nickel if you prefer.) I`d like to hear YOUR story, too! Be WELL Marshalee, mom to 4 grandma to 9, 8 living, and owned by 2 Pug dogs. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, wrote: Marshallee... Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme. Mine is in the late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only diagnosed 3 years ago. Three years of antibiotics, both orally and shots, haven't helped too much so I'm looking into other options. CS appears to be a recommended option and I've just started using a product called Invive 5000 ppm.however, at the recommended dosage of 4 teaspoons per day it will become somewhat expensive at $100 per 118 ml bottle. So I have some questions, if you don't mind. Are you confident CS was the primary reason for the Lyme being cured? Could it have been something else? What was the strength and dosage you were taking, and for what duration? What side effects should I be concerned about? (so far the only thing I've read about is skin discoloration) Who manufactures a good product at a reasonable price? Is is worth making my own CS solution, how difficult is it, and what dangers are involved? thanks! Mike Jackson, NJ
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Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike
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You came thru loud clear. You should also join the yahoo group DMSO. They have a lot of info regarding Lyme's. Smitty On 8/18/09, luv2h...@optonline.net luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: You came thru loud clear. You should also join the yahoo group DMSO. They have a lot of info regarding Lyme's. Smitty On 8/18/09, luv2h...@optonline.net luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave Hardly. . . . those are limes. . . . . I've seen the disease in print with sss. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Most certainly! we just saw it in print in your message. Doesn't make it correct. If you need more convincing ask Marsha. Dave On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Lyme's are small green oranges. Lyme is the disease. Dave On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: You came thru loud clear. You should also join the yahoo group DMSO. They have a lot of info regarding Lyme's. Smitty On 8/18/09, luv2h...@optonline.net luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Most certainly! we just saw it in print in your message. Doesn't make it correct. If you need more convincing ask Marsha. Dave Lyme it is. . . . . Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Scuse me Smitty--Didn't have anything better to do today. Dave On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Most certainly! we just saw it in print in your message. Doesn't make it correct. If you need more convincing ask Marsha. Dave Lyme it is. . . . . Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Scuse me Smitty--Didn't have anything better to do today. Dave Quite alright. . . I'm retired too. . . . “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.” —Margaret Thatcher Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, Mike, CS cured me of 6 years` worth of Stage 3 disseminated Lyme, which nearly killed me. Destroyed my gall bladder, gave me brain damage. I`m disabled, but pretty much OK now.Great stuff! Direct answer to a prayer for help!! I make my own for a few cents a gallon. Email me if you want the directions I use and my source of silver wire. Marshalee On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:16 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike
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Marshallee... Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme. Mine is in the late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only diagnosed 3 years ago. Three years of antibiotics, both orally and shots, haven't helped too much so I'm looking into other options. CS appears to be a recommended option and I've just started using a product called Invive 5000 ppm.however, at the recommended dosage of 4 teaspoons per day it will become somewhat expensive at $100 per 118 ml bottle. So I have some questions, if you don't mind. Are you confident CS was the primary reason for the Lyme being cured? Could it have been something else? What was the strength and dosage you were taking, and for what duration? What side effects should I be concerned about? (so far the only thing I've read about is skin discoloration) Who manufactures a good product at a reasonable price? Is is worth making my own CS solution, how difficult is it, and what dangers are involved? thanks! Mike Jackson, NJ - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:35 pm Subject: Re: CSTesting To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi, Mike, CS cured me of 6 years` worth of Stage 3 disseminated Lyme, which nearly killed me. Destroyed my gall bladder, gave me brain damage. I`m disabled, but pretty much OK now.Great stuff! Direct answer to a prayer for help!! I make my own for a few cents a gallon. Email me if you want the directionsI use and my source of silver wire. Marshalee On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:16 PM, wrote: Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike
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Marshalee, I'd like to have your dosing info that worked for Lyme for you. What is the ppm of your CS, and how often/how much did you take and for how long? thanks, sol Marshalee Hallett wrote: CS cured me of 6 years` worth of Stage 3 disseminated Lyme, which nearly killed me. Destroyed my gall bladder, gave me brain damage. I`m disabled, but pretty much OK now. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi! Please STOP taking Invive right now!!! It WILL turn you blue! (and it will certainly put you in the poor house...)I`ll email you the directions for the simple generator, which makes CS for a few cents a gallon! I have used it since 1996, and am now as well as can be, and still pink as a piggy! (Fat as one too. sigh...Love that chocolate, way too much! LOL) Yes, CS is the ONLY thing that stopped my Lyme. Doxy for 6 years didn`t. (I wouldn`t take the iv crap.) Only side effects: it stops mild depressions, eases a allergic reactions and asthma. (All in my own personal experience.) CS made the way I make it won`t turn you blue as it is so fine it is easily excreted via the liver. I take 1 swallow per day as a preventive, 3 for active infections (as in tummy ache from eating something off.) My swallow = 1/3 Cup. Dangers? none! Have used it successfully for birds (giardia) guinea pigs (eye infections) Pugs (smelly breath) plants (mold) and cut flowers (they last for weeks!) PLMK if you have further questions. If you want my whole story, you can email me privately and I`ll send my phone number. (My brain damage tells me I have no feet and sitting here make them swell and ache. So it is easier to chat on the phone. I can call back on my cheap long distance nickel if you prefer.) I`d like to hear YOUR story, too! Be WELL Marshalee, mom to 4 grandma to 9, 8 living, and owned by 2 Pug dogs. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Marshallee... Thanks and glad to hear the CS helped with your Lyme. Mine is in the late disseminated stage as well, had it since 1986 though it was only diagnosed 3 years ago. Three years of antibiotics, both orally and shots, haven't helped too much so I'm looking into other options. CS appears to be a recommended option and I've just started using a product called Invive 5000 ppm.however, at the recommended dosage of 4 teaspoons per day it will become somewhat expensive at $100 per 118 ml bottle. So I have some questions, if you don't mind. Are you confident CS was the primary reason for the Lyme being cured? Could it have been something else? What was the strength and dosage you were taking, and for what duration? What side effects should I be concerned about? (so far the only thing I've read about is skin discoloration) Who manufactures a good product at a reasonable price? Is is worth making my own CS solution, how difficult is it, and what dangers are involved? thanks! Mike Jackson, NJ
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Smitty Thanks, but really looking for info regarding CS. Does this group discuss colloidal silver, or is it all about DMSO? Perhaps I joined the wrong group. Mike Jackson, NJ - Original Message - From: Smitty Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:20 pm Subject: Re: CSTesting To: silver-list@eskimo.com You came thru loud clear. You should also join the yahoo group DMSO. They have a lot of info regarding Lyme's. Smitty On 8/18/09, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Mike I'm not Smitty but felt the same way you are feeling when I first joined the group. I had a need that I wanted addressed and the topic wasn't strictly CS. I did find that if you ask a question someone will answer. It's amazing what I have learned from this group about other health topics to my and my husband's benefit. There are also web sites that cover many items you may have questions about. You may want to go to http://www.fugitt.com/cs.htm Wayne Fugitt was the sponcer of the site and listed so much information, kept a lot of archives on his personal computers. We recently lost Wayne but so far the site is still working. I think you will find many answers there. Hang in there and ask away. Dianne Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:23:30 + From: luv2h...@optonline.net Subject: Re: CSTesting To: silver-list@eskimo.com Smitty Thanks, but really looking for info regarding CS. Does this group discuss colloidal silver, or is it all about DMSO? Perhaps I joined the wrong group. Mike Jackson, NJ - Original Message - From: Smitty Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 4:20 pm Subject: Re: CSTesting To: silver-list@eskimo.com You came thru loud clear. You should also join the yahoo group DMSO. They have a lot of info regarding Lyme's. Smitty On 8/18/09, luv2h...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and testing to see if this message gets through. I have Lyme disease and wanted to discuss the merits of colloidal silver in the treatment of Lyme as well as sources of properly prepared silver solutions. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009
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Good site Kathryn. At least they are reasonable. dee On 30 Jul 2009, at 19:47, Clayton Family wrote: Speaking of gel, there is a local company that is making and selling a product made with aloe vera gel and silver. I have heard that the silver process is similar to the sovereign silver, ie ionic. He has has good reports from it, so it says on his site, which is ionic silver works dot com, all in one word, of course. Kathryn On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
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Didn't know if it did work, for that very reason, but it does, so there must be something else to it. Could it be. Liquid interface as the highly hygroscopic pulling attributes draw out body fluids to replace that which is evaporating from the gels *exposed to drier air* surface. Infections and wounds are generally wet. Ode At 01:59 PM 7/29/2009 -1000, you wrote: How does CS gel work if it is in a gel like medium? shar On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Ode Coyote mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net wrote: The body isn't agar. Have him test it in a liquid medium. Or actually flood the sample with dilute CS that would mimic being washed with body fluids. What he demonstrated is why CS doesn't kill the flora in the gut. Ode At 09:09 AM 7/27/2009 -0500, you wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the bottle you provided. I am wondering whether in vivo there is another mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique. I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please pass them on. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org/http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com
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Speaking of gel, there is a local company that is making and selling a product made with aloe vera gel and silver. I have heard that the silver process is similar to the sovereign silver, ie ionic. He has has good reports from it, so it says on his site, which is ionic silver works dot com, all in one word, of course. Kathryn On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: Didn't know if it did work, for that very reason, but it does, so there must be something else to it. Could it be. Liquid interface as the highly hygroscopic pulling attributes draw out body fluids to replace that which is evaporating from the gels *exposed to drier air* surface. Infections and wounds are generally wet. Ode At 01:59 PM 7/29/2009 -1000, you wrote: How does CS gel work if it is in a gel like medium? shar -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dan wrote: This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours. Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of a post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it may have looked like your post. His reply is at the bottom. Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you. And it's an excellent demonstration of why you should edit your post before sending so that only quoted text relevant to your point is included! grin Oh, and I didn't choose to read Marshall's reply as seeming to be smug or critical, though I can see that his phrasing might not have been sufficiently nuanced to avoid that impression if you look for it... Carry on! Mike D. dat list owner guy On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrickd...@deetroy.org wrote: This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine question! [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Any liquid has Brownian motion going on all the time, if not also thermal convection that occurs when temperatures change...both, kinetic energies. ode OdeAt 04:02 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, you wrote: Static as in still, unmoving, opposite; kinetic as in motion, movement Annie cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Different from what? What do you mean by static? Do you not cook? A broth is a kind of soup or soup base. It's a liquid, therefore anything placed in it, such as CS, disperses through out. Agar is jellylike. CS would stay near where it was placed, not disperse, therefore not be effective. Chuck Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin Hobbes On 7/28/2009 7:23:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: why would this be different please? I would have thought both liquids would be static. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass... The liquid is a broth. Chuck Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime commitment for a pig. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I am using g-mail for the silver list because of the problem of getting the silver_list on comcast.net. The g-mail automatically hides all the quoted text, and only showed Marshall's reply, so I didn't even know that it might appear that I was replying to dee. Also, g-mail insists on organizing the posts in topical format, so it is also difficult to get a sense of how old some of the posts really are. At first read, Marshall's post seemed a bit exasperated or defensive that we would even attempt to test something that he had done ages ago... but it is easy to misinterpret this sort of thing. I know that he is pretty steady emotionally so I didn't feel it would be a problem if I tweaked his nose once or twice... ;-)) Dan On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:40 AM, M. G. Devourmdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Dan wrote: This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours. Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of a post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it may have looked like your post. His reply is at the bottom. Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you. And it's an excellent demonstration of why you should edit your post before sending so that only quoted text relevant to your point is included! grin Oh, and I didn't choose to read Marshall's reply as seeming to be smug or critical, though I can see that his phrasing might not have been sufficiently nuanced to avoid that impression if you look for it... Carry on! Mike D. dat list owner guy On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrickd...@deetroy.org wrote: This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine question! [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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How does CS gel work if it is in a gel like medium? shar On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote: The body isn't agar. Have him test it in a liquid medium. Or actually flood the sample with dilute CS that would mimic being washed with body fluids. What he demonstrated is why CS doesn't kill the flora in the gut. Ode At 09:09 AM 7/27/2009 -0500, you wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the bottle you provided. I am wondering whether in vivo there is another mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique. I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please pass them on. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The body isn't agar. Have him test it in a liquid medium. Or actually flood the sample with dilute CS that would mimic being washed with body fluids. What he demonstrated is why CS doesn't kill the flora in the gut. Ode At 09:09 AM 7/27/2009 -0500, you wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the bottle you provided. I am wondering whether in vivo there is another mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique. I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please pass them on. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a semi solid. Ode At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote: what is broths please? and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote: Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: t Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar plates. There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar. The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything. This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know. Marshall -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Does this imply that CS is not good for hard surface sterilization? Sorry, I'm just coming in on the conversation. -Ken Bagwell From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:43:51 AM Subject: Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a semi solid. Ode At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote: what is broths please? and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote: Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: t Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar plates. There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar. The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything. This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know. Marshall -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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why would this be different please? I would have thought both liquids would be static. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass... The liquid is a broth. Chuck Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime commitment for a pig.
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thanks Marshall, that has made it much clearer and I will save it for future reference. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 21:36, Marshall Dudley wrote: We have to go through this every year or so. 1. CS must have mobility to come in contact with pathogens and kill them. If there is no contact, there is no action. 2. CS will therefore have very limited killing power in any medium which is solid, or semisolid. This includes such things as gelatin and a healthy stool. 3. CS kills both aerobic and anaerobic microorganisms, there generally are no Good vs Bad microorganisms, only misplaced organisms. IE. yeast in your bread or beer is good, in your intestines, vagina or blood stream is bad. Likewise E coli is good in your intestines, but bad in your blood or vagina. When people say that CS does not kill good bacteria because it generally does not wipe out the good flora in the intestines, they are mistaken, it is not because the bacteria are good and CS somehow has this magical capability to tell if the bacteria is good or bad in that environment, but rather the medium is semisolid so the CS has no mobility.
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Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: why would this be different please? I would have thought both liquids would be static. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass... The liquid is a broth. Chuck Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime commitment for a pig. No, liquids are never static. Look up Browning movement. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Ken Nancy Bagwell wrote: Does this imply that CS is not good for hard surface sterilization? No, CS when applied to a hard surface is liquid, and as long as the pathogen is on the surface, it can get to it. Marshall Sorry, I'm just coming in on the conversation. -Ken Bagwell *From:* Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:43:51 AM *Subject:* Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a semi solid. Ode At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote: what is broths please? and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote: Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: t Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar plates. There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar. The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything. This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know. Marshall -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Spray and wipe. Cover the surface with CS. Chuck If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough --Mario Andretti On 7/28/2009 6:37:26 AM, Ken Nancy Bagwell (kenancy2...@yahoo.com) wrote: Does this imply that CS is not good for hard surface sterilization? Sorry, I'm just coming in on the conversation. -Ken Bagwell - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:43:51 AM Subject: Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory If you have dire rear, the contents of the intestine are no longer a semi solid. Ode At 06:28 PM 7/27/2009 +0100, you wrote: what is broths please? and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote: Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: t Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar plates. There was 100% kills No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Different from what? What do you mean by static? Do you not cook? A broth is a kind of soup or soup base. It's a liquid, therefore anything placed in it, such as CS, disperses through out. Agar is jellylike. CS would stay near where it was placed, not disperse, therefore not be effective. Chuck Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin Hobbes On 7/28/2009 7:23:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: why would this be different please? I would have thought both liquids would be static. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass... The liquid is a broth. Chuck Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime commitment for a pig. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Static as in still, unmoving, opposite; kinetic as in motion, movement Annie cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Different from what? What do you mean by static? Do you not cook? A broth is a kind of soup or soup base. It's a liquid, therefore anything placed in it, such as CS, disperses through out. Agar is jellylike. CS would stay near where it was placed, not disperse, therefore not be effective. Chuck Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin Hobbes On 7/28/2009 7:23:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: why would this be different please? I would have thought both liquids would be static. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:39, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Boil, simmer chicken bones, carcass... The liquid is a broth. Chuck Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime commitment for a pig. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the bottle you provided. I am wondering whether in vivo there is another mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique. I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please pass them on. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this, and *they* reported that all organisms were killed. How come? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae.
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the bottle you provided. I am wondering whether in vivo there is another mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique. I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please pass them on. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this, and *they* reported that all organisms were killed. How come? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar plates. There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar. The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything. This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Right on, Jim. Trem - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the bottle you provided. I am wondering whether in vivo there is another mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique. I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please pass them on. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Could the CS have been made using dead batteries? It's happened to one lister before. Chuck I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol On 7/27/2009 10:41:07 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this, and *they* reported that all organisms were killed. How come? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date: 07/27/09 05:58:00
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
what is broths please? and if CS doesn't kill anything in the intestines, how come it helps with dogs with sickness and diarrhoea (and people)? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Marshall Dudley wrote: Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: t Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar plates. There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar. The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything. This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know. Marshall --
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Now, don't get uppity... It is always nice to get confirmation from an independent professional. I'll forward the information. Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Marshall Dudleymdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this, and *they* reported that all organisms were killed. How come? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. Those tests were run by me back in 1999, and reported to this list 10 years ago. The tests are correct, CS will not kill anything on agar plates. This is a known fact, and is how we realized WHY CS has little or no effect on bacteria in the intestines. We ran tests on broths, and agar plates. There was 100% kills on the broths and 0% kill on the agar. The reason is simple, colloidal silver has to be mobile to find and kill pathogens, on the agar plates it becomes fixed and immobile, and thus is unable to contact or kill anything. This is not new news, but simply confirmation of what we already know. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
No, not in this case at least. Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Could the CS have been made using dead batteries? It's happened to one lister before. Chuck I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol On 7/27/2009 10:41:07 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: the test used in the article someone posted was the same method as this, and *they* reported that all organisms were killed. How come? dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 15:09, Dan Nave wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date: 07/27/09 05:58:00 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
Thanks, will do this. Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jim Holmesgooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: Ask him to try the sol in broth, not plated media. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I gave some Colloidal Silver solution to an old friend of mine that I met at a reunion who happens to be a microbiologist. I happened to have some CS with me and he was intrigued with it and said he was willing to do some tests of it's effectivity. I have included his response below. If anyone has some suggestions on how to test it properly, please let me know. Also, any relevant reference as well. He says: I tested the colloidal silver solution using the methodology that we use in the lab to test standardized antibiotics. I created a lawn of bacteria of known density on agar plates, and then placed a drop of the silver solution in the center of the plate, which then diffused through the bacteria and into the agar medium. None of the 9 most commonly encountered organisms showed any zone of inhibition. The organisms I used in this experiment were E. coli, E. coli (ESBL), Staph. aureus and MRSA, Enterococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Moraxella cattarrhalis, Group A beta Strep, and Streptococcus pneumoniae. I have to google the subject as I am surprised that there was no inhibitory effect what so ever at the dosage level direct from the bottle you provided. I am wondering whether in vivo there is another mechanism utilized that is not demonstrated by my plate technique. I'm interested in knowing more, so if you have some references please pass them on. Thanks, Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine question! Now there is more information being posted, I can see that the tests were not the same, so now I'm waiting for all input so I can see for myself hopefully. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:31, Dan Nave wrote: Now, don't get uppity... It is always nice to get confirmation from an independent professional. I'll forward the information. Dan
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours. Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of a post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it may have looked like your post. His reply is at the bottom. Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you. Dan On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrickd...@deetroy.org wrote: This is not me being uppity as you put it, but asking a genuine question! Now there is more information being posted, I can see that the tests were not the same, so now I'm waiting for all input so I can see for myself hopefully. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:31, Dan Nave wrote: Now, don't get uppity... It is always nice to get confirmation from an independent professional. I'll forward the information. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting Effectivity of CS in the Labratory
No problem. dee On 27 Jul 2009, at 18:56, Dan Nave wrote: This was connected to Marshall's post, not yours. Marshall has the outdated notion that you have to reply at the end of a post rather than at the beginning, so when he quoted your post, it may have looked like your post. His reply is at the bottom. Sorry if it seemed to be directed at you. Dan
