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Crikey Mike, and I wasn't even aware of such things! I have smelled damp on some people I have met and of course, here in the Uk there are a lot of very old houses which don't have proper damp courses. They contain dry rot too oddly, which I suppose is a kind of mold, but you can still smell this. I wasn't aware that you could get mold in bedding though although I know that there are mites and things, unless the house was damp or empty. Mold grows on just about anything. You've seen it grow on the silicone caulk sealer around the bathtub, and on plastic shower curtains. It also grows on cotton. In the article Talking Rot And Mildew, P. Hamlyn shows a photo of a fungus growing on a cotton fibre: http://fungus.org.uk/images/mildew.jpg As you can see, the plant is so small it cannot be seen with the naked eye. The picture was taken with a scanning electron microscope that can show fine detail in microscopic objects. The round objects are the spores that are coated with the toxins that make us ill. When you are sleeping, your body supplies the warmth that starts them growing. They get moisture from your body, and use the cotton for food. They have the ideal conditions for growth. There are many different kinds of molds that grow in bedding. They give a wide variety of symptoms that are hard to identify as coming from mold toxins. It may take a long time, but once you start having symptoms, the damage is done. As far as I can tell, it is permanent. Your bedding may be a blend of cotton and polyester. Mold also loves plastic. Here's a photo of mold growing happily: http://fungus.org.uk/images/pu.jpg For reference, the complete article is at http://fungus.org.uk/nwfg/rot.htm With respect, and thank you for pointing out the possibility of such a thing, but I don't think this can be my problem. For one thing, it doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. For instance, I got it when I hurt my arm, but now I feel ok, even though I have a cold. With loads of CS I have kept it to just a cold and it hasn't developed into anything worse. Also, I would have thought it would have affected my husband too - being in the same environment - but he never gets this. Mold is very erratic, and the allergies it creates are highly individualistic. Your husband may not have developed symptoms yet, and he may never experience them. But the mold is there, and it is continually degrading your health. I make approximately 10ppm EIS and drink it at up to 20mls at a time at random intervals. Do you mean this would not be enough to get rid of herpes? And this would not be enough to kill friendly bacteria would it? I am a bit confused here by all this techie information I am afraid! lol dee It is very difficult to know the actual concentration of cs. The vendor's information can be seriously in error. You can do a salt test to get an idea of how much silver is in your solution. Pour some in a shot glass and add a few crystals of pickling (canning) salt. You should start to see a milky dispersion. A strong solution starts showing the dispersion sooner, and the dispersion changes from a pale blue to a milky white as the concentration goes from 5ppm to 20ppm. You can look through the dispersion and see objects behind the glass. A weak solution is transparent, and a strong solution will obscure most objects. The Herpes virus that causes cold sores may not respond to solutions that read below about 14uS to 16uS in a Hanna or COM-100 pwt. Shingles also requires a strong concentration. If you use a weak solution the first time Shingles hits, you may find it doesn't get rid of it and it keeps returning. When it returns, it takes a much stronger solution to keep it in check. So my advise is to learn how to make the strongest solution you can. This will destroy the Herpes virus that causes cold sores and Shingles, and they won't be part of your life anymore. The fact that you have a cold also says your solution is not strong enough. With a weak solution, the virus can enter the body cells where the immune system can't reach. The viruses take over the cell machinery and force it to make more viruses. These exit the cell to infect more cells, and you get sick. Since the virus is already established in the cells, silver can't do much to help stop the infection. With a strong solution, the flu virus never has a chance to get established in the first place. But a strong solution can also kill the friendly bacteria in your small intestine. This is a major problem with older people. But the problem completely disappears when you use sublingual absorption instead of drinking the solution. Yes,
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Thanks so much for all this Mike, I am going to read and inwardly digest! dee On 1 Feb 2010, at 16:28, Mike Monett wrote: Crikey Mike, and I wasn't even aware of such things! I have smelled damp on some people I have met and of course, here in the Uk there are a lot of very old houses which don't have proper damp courses. They contain dry rot too oddly, which I suppose is a kind of mold, but you can still smell this. I wasn't aware that you could get mold in bedding though although I know that there are mites and things, unless the house was damp or empty. Mold grows on just about anything. You've seen it grow on the silicone caulk sealer around the bathtub, and on plastic shower curtains. It also grows on cotton. In the article Talking Rot And Mildew, P. Hamlyn shows a photo of a fungus growing on a cotton fibre: http://fungus.org.uk/images/mildew.jpg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Crikey Mike, and I wasn't even aware of such things! I have smelled damp on some people I have met and of course, here in the Uk there are a lot of very old houses which don't have proper damp courses. They contain dry rot too oddly, which I suppose is a kind of mold, but you can still smell this. I wasn't aware that you could get mold in bedding though although I know that there are mites and things, unless the house was damp or empty. With respect, and thank you for pointing out the possibility of such a thing, but I don't think this can be my problem. For one thing, it doesn't happen all the time, only occasionally. For instance, I got it when I hurt my arm, but now I feel ok, even though I have a cold. With loads of CS I have kept it to just a cold and it hasn't developed into anything worse. Also, I would have thought it would have affected my husband too - being in the same environment - but he never gets this. I make approximately 10ppm EIS and drink it at up to 20mls at a time at random intervals. Do you mean this would not be enough to get rid of herpes? And this would not be enough to kill friendly bacteria would it? I am a bit confused here by all this techie information I am afraid! lol dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 23:51, Mike Monett wrote: Thank you for your very comprehensive post Mike and all the information in it. Thanks for taking the time to read it. I have to say that my shingles have never been anything like as bad as those in the pictures you showed. Those people were is a great deal of pain. My heart goes out to them for their suffering. I managed to stop mine just as it was starting to break out, but even that was painful enough. I just either get 'stabbing' pains on either set of ribs or under the fleshy part of my arms, or I get four or five small lesions on my face. These go when I apply 10ppm CS plus DMSO usually within a week or two or three weeks if I forget and don't apply the potion. 10ppm is not really strong enough to do the job. Also, the term ppm refers to colloidal silver that contains a significant proportion of silver hydroxide, AgOH. This is insoluble, inert, and has no biological activity. However, if you drink it, it converts to silver chloride and water in the stomach. The equation is AgOH + HCl -- AgCl + H2O -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hello Mike, I just joined the Silver List. I am receiving email notifications when people post, but have been unable to locate the web site where the forum is. Do you happen to have any idea of where that web site is? Your mold problem is interesting. There may be some other ways to manage the mold spores. It is possible to disinfect laundry washers, and dryers. It is also possible to inactivate mold spores in a room. I would love to carry on a conversation on this, if I could ever figure out a way to find the site. Thanks. Tom Hi Tom, Thanks for the email, and welcome to the list. This may be your first experience on a mailing list. Unlike Flicker, there is no web site where the forum takes place. It is all discussions carried on by email. So you have found the forum, and you are already on it:) To post a message to the forum, send an email to the silverlist as described in the home page. This is at http://www.silverlist.org/ To reply to a post, make sure the address in the link on your email client points to the silverlist, and not to the indivdual you are responding to. As far as mold spores, it is very difficult to inactivate them. They have 940 million years of evolution, and we have only 4 million. So they have figured out how to survive and destroy their competition, and we are simply the collateral damage in their biological warfare. Disinfecting a dryer means removing all the lint from the nooks and crannies. This can take several days with the proper equipment. The silverlist is mainly concerned with making and using colloidal silver. Other topics, such as mineral supplements, have been tolerated up to a point. Mold is also slightly off-topic, but so far it has not been banned from the list. I expect it might if it becomes excessive. I'm sure there are other forums that focus on mold, but I am really not much interested in joining them. My main interest is learning how to make and use silver ions. I have developed some techniques that are important, and I describe some of them on my web site at http://www.pstca.com/silversol/index.htm These techniques are far in advance of anything that have been available up to now. Please study the types of communication on the list, and learn who the people are and what their areas of competence are before you start posting your own ideas. You may find some people have little tolerance for outsiders, and others are very supportive. I am one of the supportive ones for newcomers. Welcome to the list! I am copying this to the list so you can see how it works. Regards, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks Dave, and do you take selenium too, as iodine is supposed to leach selenium I've heard. Oh dear, back to imbalances again! lol I have taken two to three drops with no apparent ill effects and maybe some good ones, but I haven't taken selenium. dee On 29 Jan 2010, at 21:01, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee: On the taking of iodine, don't expect it to give you a rush of energy. If you are deficient it takes a while to build up and give relief so the way I gage it is to take for a week or two and then remember back to when I started and compare with that. It's an individual thing and would be different depending on how deficient you are. In my case I was helped dramaticly within two days. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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thanks sol. dee On 29 Jan 2010, at 21:43, sol wrote: At 11:22 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: I would be grateful if you could post the link thanks. dee I just posted it but here it is again under a better subject heading. http://www.ithyroid.com/selenium.htm sol
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What are the symptoms of low selenium? thanks much Debbie From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 6:59:55 AM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Thanks Dave, and do you take selenium too, as iodine is supposed to leach selenium I've heard. Oh dear, back to imbalances again! lol I have taken two to three drops with no apparent ill effects and maybe some good ones, but I haven't taken selenium. dee On 29 Jan 2010, at 21:01, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee: On the taking of iodine, don't expect it to give you a rush of energy. If you are deficient it takes a while to build up and give relief so the way I gage it is to take for a week or two and then remember back to when I started and compare with that. It's an individual thing and would be different depending on how deficient you are. In my case I was helped dramaticly within two days. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dee I'm starting today I have about half of a bottle, left over from the try of the argeria cure, of 200mcg. I'm going to take one with the iodine and see if it makes things even better. Dave On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: Thanks Dave, and do you take selenium too, as iodine is supposed to leach selenium I've heard. Oh dear, back to imbalances again! lol I have taken two to three drops with no apparent ill effects and maybe some good ones, but I haven't taken selenium. dee On 29 Jan 2010, at 21:01, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee: On the taking of iodine, don't expect it to give you a rush of energy. If you are deficient it takes a while to build up and give relief so the way I gage it is to take for a week or two and then remember back to when I started and compare with that. It's an individual thing and would be different depending on how deficient you are. In my case I was helped dramaticly within two days. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thank you for your very comprehensive post Mike and all the information in it. I have to say that my shingles have never been anything like as bad as those in the pictures you showed. I just either get 'stabbing' pains on either set of ribs or under the fleshy part of my arms, or I get four or five small lesions on my face. These go when I apply 10ppm CS plus DMSO usually within a week or two or three weeks if I forget and don't apply the potion. It always happens when I am particularly stressed; like having this fall and thinking my arm was broken! I usually enjoy quite good health although I am overweight and don't exercise enough, neither do I eat particularly well. Its just that every once in a while, I get this bone tiredness which I can't explain i.e. I'm not doing anything different. I don't think it is mold, as our house is brick built and extremely well ventilated, plus we have central heating and there is no mold smell. My hubby is a builder and he would know if there was damp or mold I am sure. This is the UK by the way. Thanks again for replying so comprehensively, I am finding the articles on herpes zoster most interesting. dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 00:52, Mike Monett wrote: Dorothy, I also got shingles a long time ago. (Warning, graphic pictures) http://www.pstca.com/silversol/shingles/shingles.htm Like you, it came back. The cs I was making at the time was about the same as most people here. But it had no effect on the shingles. The sores were open and bleeding. This made life miserable, especially when taking a shower. At the same time, my Russian house guest and her son moved in. We all started getting very painful cold sores. The cs had no effect on them either. I spent a weekend experimenting with different electrode configurations and currents, and monitoring the results using the salt test. By Monday, I was making the strongest cs I had ever seen. It was so strong I decided to not swallow it, but instead to hold it in my mouth for 10 minutes and spit it out. My guests did the same. To my great astonishment, the following Wednesday the shingles sores dried up and fell off. The cold sores vanished also. (I posted this to the silverlist long ago. Hopefully we will be able to recover the archives and get them on line so everyone can see them again.) Anyway, this tells me the ion content must be as high as possible to combat the shingles and cold sore viruses. Since then, I have developed methods of making even stronger cs, and doing it reliably. I discuss these on my web site at http://www.pstca.com/silversol/ Now, the shingles keeps trying to come back. If I don't take the cs for a couple of days or a week, the stabbing pain and itching frenzy starts again. As soon as I take the cs, it stops. This tells us a number of things. 1. The calculations that I plan on presenting show that the silver content in the bloodstream is far too low to have any effect on bacteria or viruses. 18ppb is about a factor of 10 or 20 too small to have much effect on bacteria. I'm sure it will also have little effect on viruses. 2. The lead to the conclusion that the silver ion is needed by the immune system to make the proteins or enzymes that are needed to combat bacteria and viruses. 3. This problem has been going on for almost a decade. This shows the shingles virus cannot mutate and get past the immune system when it has an adequate supply of high ion content cs. 4. The silver ions do not stay in the body very long. They are used up and flushed out after a few days. So you need to keep on taking cs regularly. 5. Sublingual absorption is the most effective way to deliver silver ions to the bloodstream, where the immune system can grab them and put them to work. 6. As a further discovery, plotting the conductance curves as I show on my web site allows you to see when you have contamination on the electrodes. The contamination could be ordinary sulphur or chlorine from the environment. Whatever it is, it has a very detrimental effect on the electrolysis process. 7. To minimize the contamination, I put my Godzilla generator in the freezer compartment of a brand new, unused refrigerator. This freezes the humidity in the air and prevents the chemical reaction need for sulphur to tarnish the silver. 8. Afer several months, the electrodes are now very clean. I find all the Hanna readings have dropped about 20% from the previous values. For example, I usually read about 18uS using my method of making cs. Now I read about 14uS, which is a 22% drop. This tells me that contamination makes the Hanna read too high, and the actual silver content is lower than assumed. This probably applies to everyone who uses the
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I thought I would do this as well i.e. I've had four drops of iodine and then 100mcg of selenomethionine, but I took it at a different time incase of conflict. dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 14:59, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee I'm starting today I have about half of a bottle, left over from the try of the argeria cure, of 200mcg. I'm going to take one with the iodine and see if it makes things even better. Dave On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Thanks Dave, and do you take selenium too, as iodine is supposed to leach selenium I've heard. Oh dear, back to imbalances again! lol I have taken two to three drops with no apparent ill effects and maybe some good ones, but I haven't taken selenium. dee
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Just out of curiosity, what are your iron levels like? Particularly your ferritin level? Fatigue is one of the first symptoms of excess iron. sol At 11:45 AM 1/30/2010, you wrote: Its just that every once in a while, I get this bone tiredness which I can't explain i.e. I'm not doing anything different.
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I actually don't know sol. I did have a blood test done last year and they didn't mention iron but it was mainly for sugar as I had been pre diabetic they thought, but am not now. I used to have really low iron at one time, and my doctor told me then that I had no reserves at all, but that this was not unusual for women at my, then, age. I have always had low iron all through my life and as I say, I don't eat properly and am not keen on meat, and don't eat a lot of veg although I do like veg. It is strange, because it only happens on occasion, not all the time. dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 19:45, sol wrote: Just out of curiosity, what are your iron levels like? Particularly your ferritin level? Fatigue is one of the first symptoms of excess iron. sol At 11:45 AM 1/30/2010, you wrote: Its just that every once in a while, I get this bone tiredness which I can't explain i.e. I'm not doing anything different.
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Thank you for your very comprehensive post Mike and all the information in it. Thanks for taking the time to read it. I have to say that my shingles have never been anything like as bad as those in the pictures you showed. Those people were is a great deal of pain. My heart goes out to them for their suffering. I managed to stop mine just as it was starting to break out, but even that was painful enough. I just either get 'stabbing' pains on either set of ribs or under the fleshy part of my arms, or I get four or five small lesions on my face. These go when I apply 10ppm CS plus DMSO usually within a week or two or three weeks if I forget and don't apply the potion. 10ppm is not really strong enough to do the job. Also, the term ppm refers to colloidal silver that contains a significant proportion of silver hydroxide, AgOH. This is insoluble, inert, and has no biological activity. However, if you drink it, it converts to silver chloride and water in the stomach. The equation is AgOH + HCl -- AgCl + H2O The silver chloride is soluble up to about 800 ppb (parts per billion), after which it precipitates out as a white solid. It is slightly antibiotic and can kill the friendly bacteria in the small intestine. If there is a large quantity of AgCl, this can make you very sick since the bacteria are needed to aid in digestion. This gives symptoms that are often attributed to Herxheimer. But true Herx is not possible inside the body since the concentration of silver ions that end up in the bloodstream is far too low to have any effect on bacteria. It always happens when I am particularly stressed; like having this fall and thinking my arm was broken! That can be very bad for people our age. Please be careful. Watch where you are stepping and be careful of glare ice. I usually enjoy quite good health although I am overweight and don't exercise enough, neither do I eat particularly well. Its just that every once in a while, I get this bone tiredness which I can't explain ie I'm not doing anything different. These are both typical symptoms of bedmold. There are many different types of mold that inhabit the bedding and pillowcases. The toxins on the spores can have all kinds of vague, ill-defined symptoms. One symptom is it ruins your digestion system and bloats you up. This happens to me often. Another symptom is extreme fatigue. It is so bad you simply cannot function. The solution is to kill the spores. But they are very difficult to kill. There is no chemical or process available to us in the home that will have the slightest effect on the spores. However, high concentrations of ozone will strip the outer protective coating and expose the core. This kills the spore, and converts a lot of the toxins to simpler forms, such as carbon dioxide and less harmful molecules. The problem is getting a high enough concentration of ozone. Humidity in the air and normal room temperatures reduce the effectiveness of the corona in converting oxygen to ozone. Commercial machines that use ordinary room air cannot produce a high enough concentration. It takes pure, dried oxygen at low temperatures to reach high concentration. The is very expensive. But I think I may have found a way around this problem and should be able to make a high enough concentration with a much simpler system. I don't think it is mold, as our house is brick built and extremely well ventilated, plus we have central heating and there is no mold smell. My hubby is a builder and he would know if there was damp or mold I am sure. This is the UK by the way. Central heating usually means a hot air furnace. If so, the ducts will collect lint. This is a perfect place for all kinds of mold to grow. It doesn't have to make a moldy odor. It can, but many kinds of mold don't generate voc's. The toxins are still very harmful. It doesn't have to be damp. It gets all the water it needs from the humidity in the air. About the only place I found that is dry enough to minimize the growth is Boulder, Colorado in the winter. The relative humidity is 3% to 5%, and this is enough to stop the mold. Until spring arrives, and the humidity rises. If you are lucky enough to have hot water heating, the main problem is to keep dust and lint from collecting in the radiators. But after all these things are addressed, the main culprit is bedmold. This does more harm since you breath the toxins in eight hours every night. The spores are more concentrated since they are generated right where you are sleeping. One of the biggest problems I find is if you use bleach in the wash to kill the live mold plant, the bedding picks up
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Do you think it could make you deficient in iodine if you *weren't* supplementing with iodine Dave? I must say I am worried about taking megadoses of *anything* in case of causing imbalance which I've read, is worse than deficiency in anything. I have also read that huge doses of Vit C can leach calcium from the bones, but don't know if this is ascorbic acid or *any* type of Vit C. dee On 28 Jan 2010, at 19:44, Dave Darrin wrote: Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have nascent iodine Dave, and have taken it occasionally. As always, I am wary of taking things because of imbalancing, but I do suffer from this fatigue lately of which you speak, and I have been taking lots of Vit C. Maybe if I take some iodine in between taking the Vit C as you suggested? How much iodine do you take at a time, and do you take it in distilled water? thanks a lot. dee On 29 Jan 2010, at 02:57, Dave Darrin wrote: I was about ready for a cement overcoat when I read that on some doctors web site ( don't even remember who) so I started to space my iodine three hours later and in two days I was back with the living. In another two days or so I didn't need to fall asleep whenever I sat down as had been happening, especially when I sat at the computer. In thirty days I took off thirty pounds because besides boosting the thyroid with the iodine I made a concerted effort to keep all Soy products out of my mouth -- it changes testosterone into estrogen and suppresses the thyroid. Check out Dr. Wong's site on soy. Now I can put in a days work and sure I get tired but it is a good tired not the utterly destroying fatigue that I was experiencing. I've been in very good physical shape for years since whipping Lyme but was overwhelmed with fatigue all the time not knowing that spacing my supplements and eating the so called healthy Soy, which has been introduced into almost everything in the grocery store , was the problem. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS ..Iodine and C
Dave, Are you taking the Lugols Iodine? How much are you taking? thanks Debbie From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 9:57:32 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I was about ready for a cement overcoat when I read that on some doctors web site ( don't even remember who) so I started to space my iodine three hours later and in two days I was back with the living. In another two days or so I didn't need to fall asleep whenever I sat down as had been happening, especially when I sat at the computer. In thirty days I took off thirty pounds because besides boosting the thyroid with the iodine I made a concerted effort to keep all Soy products out of my mouth -- it changes testosterone into estrogen and suppresses the thyroid. Check out Dr. Wong's site on soy. Now I can put in a days work and sure I get tired but it is a good tired not the utterly destroying fatigue that I was experiencing. I've been in very good physical shape for years since whipping Lyme but was overwhelmed with fatigue all the time not knowing that spacing my supplements and eating the so called healthy Soy, which has been introduced into almost everything in the grocery store , was the problem. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't know that vit C removes iodine from the body, thanks Deb From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 2:44:44 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts. Dave On List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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What component of soy is responsible for that? Depending on what it is things like soy bean oil, lecithin, and maybe even fermented soy products may not have it in them. Marshall Dave Darrin wrote: I was about ready for a cement overcoat when I read that on some doctors web site ( don't even remember who) so I started to space my iodine three hours later and in two days I was back with the living. In another two days or so I didn't need to fall asleep whenever I sat down as had been happening, especially when I sat at the computer. In thirty days I took off thirty pounds because besides boosting the thyroid with the iodine I made a concerted effort to keep all Soy products out of my mouth -- it changes testosterone into estrogen and suppresses the thyroid. Check out Dr. Wong's site on soy. Now I can put in a days work and sure I get tired but it is a good tired not the utterly destroying fatigue that I was experiencing. I've been in very good physical shape for years since whipping Lyme but was overwhelmed with fatigue all the time not knowing that spacing my supplements and eating the so called healthy Soy, which has been introduced into almost everything in the grocery store , was the problem. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't know that vit C removes iodine from the body, thanks Deb *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 28, 2010 2:44:44 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts. Dave On List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes *Lugols 2% I take three drops a day. Dave * On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: Dave, Are you taking the Lugols Iodine? How much are you taking? thanks Debbie -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 28, 2010 9:57:32 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I was about ready for a cement overcoat when I read that on some doctors web site ( don't even remember who) so I started to space my iodine three hours later and in two days I was back with the living. In another two days or so I didn't need to fall asleep whenever I sat down as had been happening, especially when I sat at the computer. In thirty days I took off thirty pounds because besides boosting the thyroid with the iodine I made a concerted effort to keep all Soy products out of my mouth -- it changes testosterone into estrogen and suppresses the thyroid. Check out Dr. Wong's site on soy. Now I can put in a days work and sure I get tired but it is a good tired not the utterly destroying fatigue that I was experiencing. I've been in very good physical shape for years since whipping Lyme but was overwhelmed with fatigue all the time not knowing that spacing my supplements and eating the so called healthy Soy, which has been introduced into almost everything in the grocery store , was the problem. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: I didn't know that vit C removes iodine from the body, thanks Deb -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 28, 2010 2:44:44 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts.. Dave On List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You can Google Dr. Wong and see what he says. I don't have the link now due to a video card failure but will have my bookmarks back when my new one arrives. Dave On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: What component of soy is responsible for that? Depending on what it is things like soy bean oil, lecithin, and maybe even fermented soy products may not have it in them. Marshall Dave Darrin wrote: I was about ready for a cement overcoat when I read that on some doctors web site ( don't even remember who) so I started to space my iodine three hours later and in two days I was back with the living. In another two days or so I didn't need to fall asleep whenever I sat down as had been happening, especially when I sat at the computer. In thirty days I took off thirty pounds because besides boosting the thyroid with the iodine I made a concerted effort to keep all Soy products out of my mouth -- it changes testosterone into estrogen and suppresses the thyroid. Check out Dr. Wong's site on soy. Now I can put in a days work and sure I get tired but it is a good tired not the utterly destroying fatigue that I was experiencing. I've been in very good physical shape for years since whipping Lyme but was overwhelmed with fatigue all the time not knowing that spacing my supplements and eating the so called healthy Soy, which has been introduced into almost everything in the grocery store , was the problem. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.commailto: devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't know that vit C removes iodine from the body, thanks Deb *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 28, 2010 2:44:44 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts. Dave On List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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At 05:02 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: I have nascent iodine Dave, and have taken it occasionally. As always, I am wary of taking things because of imbalancing, but I do suffer from this fatigue lately of which you speak, and I have been taking lots of Vit C. Maybe if I take some iodine in between taking the Vit C as you suggested? How much iodine do you take at a time, and do you take it in distilled water? thanks a lot. dee Are you also supplementing selenium? I just read a very interesting article about selenium, iodine, and the thyroid. Supplementing iodine or selenium alone leads to increase in thyroid problems. The article may even have been posted here, if not and you want it, I can post the link. sol
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Dee: I take my iodine in filtered tap water. On the subject of imbalance I would suppose that you are imbalanced or you wouldn't need to bolster something to regain that balance. Sol: I have taken the much lauded Selenium cure for Argeria a couple of times but I didn't notice anything at all. Dave On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:08 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 05:02 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: I have nascent iodine Dave, and have taken it occasionally. As always, I am wary of taking things because of imbalancing, but I do suffer from this fatigue lately of which you speak, and I have been taking lots of Vit C. Maybe if I take some iodine in between taking the Vit C as you suggested? How much iodine do you take at a time, and do you take it in distilled water? thanks a lot. dee Are you also supplementing selenium? I just read a very interesting article about selenium, iodine, and the thyroid. Supplementing iodine or selenium alone leads to increase in thyroid problems. The article may even have been posted here, if not and you want it, I can post the link. sol
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Sol I'd love to see that link as I am currently in remission with Grave's disease - would love to get rid of it completely without incurring more issues. Lisa _ From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS At 05:02 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: I have nascent iodine Dave, and have taken it occasionally. As always, I am wary of taking things because of imbalancing, but I do suffer from this fatigue lately of which you speak, and I have been taking lots of Vit C. Maybe if I take some iodine in between taking the Vit C as you suggested? How much iodine do you take at a time, and do you take it in distilled water? thanks a lot. dee Are you also supplementing selenium? I just read a very interesting article about selenium, iodine, and the thyroid. Supplementing iodine or selenium alone leads to increase in thyroid problems. The article may even have been posted here, if not and you want it, I can post the link. sol
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Thanks sol. I think this is what worries me really i.e. you take one thing and then this means you have to take something else etc., etc., I thought by taking just chlorella it would avoid this but I didn't feel well after a while. I know that all these things can be toxic in the wrong doses, but the difficulty here is, how does one *know* what is the right dose? I haven't had any blood work done at the docs as I just don't *go* to the docs so don't know what I could be lacking. I just hope to prevent getting something ghastly as I get older, and as I say, I have been suffering from fatigue lately and my immune system doesn't seem so good. Hence the shingles, tiredness and horrible cold. dee I would be grateful if you could post the link thanks. On 29 Jan 2010, at 17:08, sol wrote: At 05:02 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: I have nascent iodine Dave, and have taken it occasionally. As always, I am wary of taking things because of imbalancing, but I do suffer from this fatigue lately of which you speak, and I have been taking lots of Vit C. Maybe if I take some iodine in between taking the Vit C as you suggested? How much iodine do you take at a time, and do you take it in distilled water? thanks a lot. dee Are you also supplementing selenium? I just read a very interesting article about selenium, iodine, and the thyroid. Supplementing iodine or selenium alone leads to increase in thyroid problems. The article may even have been posted here, if not and you want it, I can post the link. sol
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The problem is, I don't know *what* I'm imbalanced with! All I know is, I am really really bone tired, and keep getting shingles and now a cold. I also have a job sleeping. But I have given up going to the doctors (years ago) because I got fed up with being told it was 'my age' or 'I would feel better when the weather changes!' I have always treated myself since then and usually feel ok, but don't know what is causing this. dee PS Oh tell a lie - I did have a blood test done last year sometime to check sugar levels and B12 and they were fine and I presume any routine other test they might have done was ok. I don't personally believe in bothering about cholesterol. On 29 Jan 2010, at 17:41, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee: I take my iodine in filtered tap water. On the subject of imbalance I would suppose that you are imbalanced or you wouldn't need to bolster something to regain that balance. Sol: I have taken the much lauded Selenium cure for Argeria a couple of times but I didn't notice anything at all. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dee You left out everyone complains about that which is what I heard most often when I had Lyme. As if that would make me feel better. I have never been able to understand why they think the knowledge that someone else has a similar problem makes it better for you. Dave On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: The problem is, I don't know *what* I'm imbalanced with! All I know is, I am really really bone tired, and keep getting shingles and now a cold. I also have a job sleeping. But I have given up going to the doctors (years ago) because I got fed up with being told it was 'my age' or 'I would feel better when the weather changes!' I have always treated myself since then and usually feel ok, but don't know what is causing this. dee PS Oh tell a lie - I did have a blood test done last year sometime to check sugar levels and B12 and they were fine and I presume any routine other test they might have done was ok. I don't personally believe in bothering about cholesterol. On 29 Jan 2010, at 17:41, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee: I take my iodine in filtered tap water. On the subject of imbalance I would suppose that you are imbalanced or you wouldn't need to bolster something to regain that balance. Sol: I have taken the much lauded Selenium cure for Argeria a couple of times but I didn't notice anything at all. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Oh I forgot that one Dave! Yes, he did say to me 'everyone who has come to see me this morning has said the same thing!' Marvellous! dee On 29 Jan 2010, at 19:06, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee You left out everyone complains about that which is what I heard most often when I had Lyme. As if that would make me feel better. I have never been able to understand why they think the knowledge that someone else has a similar problem makes it better for you. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dee: On the taking of iodine, don't expect it to give you a rush of energy. If you are deficient it takes a while to build up and give relief so the way I gage it is to take for a week or two and then remember back to when I started and compare with that. It's an individual thing and would be different depending on how deficient you are. In my case I was helped dramaticly within two days. Dave On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: Oh I forgot that one Dave! Yes, he did say to me 'everyone who has come to see me this morning has said the same thing!' Marvellous! dee On 29 Jan 2010, at 19:06, Dave Darrin wrote: Dee You left out everyone complains about that which is what I heard most often when I had Lyme. As if that would make me feel better. I have never been able to understand why they think the knowledge that someone else has a similar problem makes it better for you. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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At 11:17 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: Sol Id love to see that link as I am currently in remission with Graves disease would love to get rid of it completely without incurring more issues. http://www.ithyroid.com/selenium.htm I have not read all the info at this link--the easy to read part starts at Interactions between selenium and iodine April 27, 1999 (found about 2/3 of the way down the page) here is the first paragraph: Selenium and iodine are two minerals which are critically important in the proper functioning of the thyroid. While the importance of iodine has been known a long time, the importance of selenium has only been discovered and explored since 1990. Much research is presently being conducted on the functions of these two minerals in thyroid function and it is becoming clear that there is an interaction between the two. Iodine has a seemingly simple role in the thyroid-it is incorporated into the thyroid hormone molecule. sol
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At 11:22 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: I would be grateful if you could post the link thanks. dee I just posted it but here it is again under a better subject heading. http://www.ithyroid.com/selenium.htm sol
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The problem is, I don't know *what* I'm imbalanced with! All I know is, I am really really bone tired, and keep getting shingles and now a cold. I also have a job sleeping. But I have given up going to the doctors (years ago) because I got fed up with being told it was 'my age' or 'I would feel better when the weather changes!' I have always treated myself since then and usually feel ok, but don't know what is causing this. dee PS Oh tell a lie - I did have a blood test done last year sometime to check sugar levels and B12 and they were fine and I presume any routine other test they might have done was ok. I don't personally believe in bothering about cholesterol. Dorothy, I also got shingles a long time ago. (Warning, graphic pictures) http://www.pstca.com/silversol/shingles/shingles.htm Like you, it came back. The cs I was making at the time was about the same as most people here. But it had no effect on the shingles. The sores were open and bleeding. This made life miserable, especially when taking a shower. At the same time, my Russian house guest and her son moved in. We all started getting very painful cold sores. The cs had no effect on them either. I spent a weekend experimenting with different electrode configurations and currents, and monitoring the results using the salt test. By Monday, I was making the strongest cs I had ever seen. It was so strong I decided to not swallow it, but instead to hold it in my mouth for 10 minutes and spit it out. My guests did the same. To my great astonishment, the following Wednesday the shingles sores dried up and fell off. The cold sores vanished also. (I posted this to the silverlist long ago. Hopefully we will be able to recover the archives and get them on line so everyone can see them again.) Anyway, this tells me the ion content must be as high as possible to combat the shingles and cold sore viruses. Since then, I have developed methods of making even stronger cs, and doing it reliably. I discuss these on my web site at http://www.pstca.com/silversol/ Now, the shingles keeps trying to come back. If I don't take the cs for a couple of days or a week, the stabbing pain and itching frenzy starts again. As soon as I take the cs, it stops. This tells us a number of things. 1. The calculations that I plan on presenting show that the silver content in the bloodstream is far too low to have any effect on bacteria or viruses. 18ppb is about a factor of 10 or 20 too small to have much effect on bacteria. I'm sure it will also have little effect on viruses. 2. The lead to the conclusion that the silver ion is needed by the immune system to make the proteins or enzymes that are needed to combat bacteria and viruses. 3. This problem has been going on for almost a decade. This shows the shingles virus cannot mutate and get past the immune system when it has an adequate supply of high ion content cs. 4. The silver ions do not stay in the body very long. They are used up and flushed out after a few days. So you need to keep on taking cs regularly. 5. Sublingual absorption is the most effective way to deliver silver ions to the bloodstream, where the immune system can grab them and put them to work. 6. As a further discovery, plotting the conductance curves as I show on my web site allows you to see when you have contamination on the electrodes. The contamination could be ordinary sulphur or chlorine from the environment. Whatever it is, it has a very detrimental effect on the electrolysis process. 7. To minimize the contamination, I put my Godzilla generator in the freezer compartment of a brand new, unused refrigerator. This freezes the humidity in the air and prevents the chemical reaction need for sulphur to tarnish the silver. 8. Afer several months, the electrodes are now very clean. I find all the Hanna readings have dropped about 20% from the previous values. For example, I usually read about 18uS using my method of making cs. Now I read about 14uS, which is a 22% drop. This tells me that contamination makes the Hanna read too high, and the actual silver content is lower than assumed. This probably applies to everyone who uses the Hanna or COM-100 to monitor their brew, since they will also be subject to contamination from the environment. But the 14uS cs is very good at stopping the shingles. 9. The experience I went through with mold toxins tells me that most symptoms you describe are caused by mold growing in the bedding. You inhale them all night long, and the toxins do terrible damage to your health. There may be other things involved as well, but I'm pretty sure that mold is at the base of all these things. The
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Here are some small updates for corrections and additions. I wrote: This tells us a number of things. 1. The calculations that I plan on presenting show that the silver content in the bloodstream is far too low to have any effect on bacteria or viruses. 18ppb is about a factor of 10 or 20 too small to have much effect on bacteria. I'm sure it will also have little effect on viruses. 2. The lead to the conclusion that the silver ion is needed by the immune system to make the proteins or enzymes that are needed to combat bacteria and viruses. The above paragraph should read: 2. This leads to the conclusion that the silver ion is needed by the immune system to make the proteins or enzymes that are needed to combat bacteria and viruses. 3. This problem has been going on for almost a decade. This shows the shingles virus cannot mutate and get past the immune system when it has an adequate supply of high ion content cs. I should add the following: The shingles virus has been exposed to silver ions for almost a decade. If the silver was killing them, they should have mutated by now and not be affected any longer. The fact the response remains exactly the same over such a long period means the silver is not killing the virus. It means the immune system doing the work, and is keeping up with any changes in the virus. The immune system can keep the virus at bay, providing it is supplied with the necessary tools. In this case, the silver ion is the essential ingredient. Without it, the virus runs wild and nothing can stop it. But supplied with the silver ions, the immune system tames it in a few hours. It is important to note that medical science has nothing that will stop the shingles virus. Tamiflu doesn't work. The other remedies offered by pharmaceutical companies have little effect on the shingles virus, but the side effects can be very serious, perhaps more harmful than the virus itself. Best Wishes, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Due to every person being different, I'll go with anything is possible and being alive is a risky business. You can get brained by a meteorite too, but it ain't likely. Why and how something happened to an odd person is pretty much a matter of speculation, less so than it did happen. If you have a hole in your head and a hot rock in your toes? That was probably a meteorite what done it. My ex was struck by lightning in a deep valley in a storm that hadn't got there yet, her car hit 3 times killing the alternator each time, the battery exploded twice and she couldn't wear a digital watch without the face going black. ..you tell me. Ode At 09:16 AM 1/27/2010 -0800, you wrote: Neville: My response is that I would and did make many of the same assumptions until people started asking me why my complexion was so grey. Also changing the name from CS to EIS doesn't make one iota of difference in the product. If it is made with pure silver, Pure steam distilled water with a generator made for that purpose it is the same product no matter what you call it. (around 80% ionic) I know what I'm doing now as I did when I first started. And I submit there IS an actual connection between EIS and Argeria. I don't rely on doctors for anything other than a gateway to testing Labs. I haven't had a prescription in fifteen years at least, I don't drink Alcohol, Smoke or use any kind of illicit drugs. I've never had a heart problem or Lung problem accept in conjunction with a cold which I haven't experienced in years of taking silver. I had a circulation problem in my feet that I cured with Niacin and I believe that the niacin flush, which is necessary, may have led to the silver getting into my skin. Other than that The only connection to Argeria is properly made silver. So keep on believing as you do and keep a weary eye on your mirror. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Makes sense Steve. I do tell people about argyria but I have always told them it has been from improperly made CS. Mind you, none of them take it to any extent anyway - one 250ml bottle usually lasts months! dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 19:32, Norton, Steve wrote: One has to consider how the other person will use the EIS. Sure, if someone is going to take EIS for the flu or an ounce a day for a year or a quart a day for a couple months, I’d tell them they won’t get argyria from that amount. But if someone is going to fight something like Lyme disease where the amounts could be high for an extended period of time (years), I would warn them. In some cases, the EIS might cure a debilitating illness and the risk might be worth it to the person. But I think they should know enough to make an informed decision in that case. - Steve N From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
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There are bacterium discovered that thrive around silver mines and have developed a tolerance, but when removed from that environment, they lost the tolerance in a few generations. For a bacterium, that would be what? ..a few minutes? IMO Anything that is to be strong needs exercise, so to replace the immune system might not be a great idea. Ode At 07:26 PM 1/27/2010 -0500, you wrote: Dick: The only reason I don't take it daily is because it can kill of some of the good bacteriaa in your/my intestines - even though I take digestive enzymes and probiotics. Maybe my thinking goes along the lines, also, that I don't want to wear out the infection killing properties of silver like happens with so many antibiotics. I haven't taken any pharma antibiotics in 35 years, but I do know that there effectiveness can falter by overuse. I assume that you're aware of how antibiotics become useless when certain bacteria learn how to over-rule them. What do you think? John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It sure does! dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 22:58, Richard Goodwin wrote: And that in turn brings back memories of the doctor coming to my house -- remember when they all made house calls routinely? -- and asking for an ashtray so he could light up his camel... From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 4:32:42 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
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Hmm! I don't think I would like to be blue or grey, but if it meant the difference between life and death, that would be different. dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 23:01, Richard Goodwin wrote: I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick
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So far my wife has taken 12 ounces of homemade CS (EIS) for about 10 months now to keep her Lyme in remission. The only thing grey about her is her hair :) Scott Adams www.lyme-resource.com http://www.lyme-resource.com/ You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott Adams _ From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS One has to consider how the other person will use the EIS. Sure, if someone is going to take EIS for the flu or an ounce a day for a year or a quart a day for a couple months, I'd tell them they won't get argyria from that amount. But if someone is going to fight something like Lyme disease where the amounts could be high for an extended period of time (years), I would warn them. In some cases, the EIS might cure a debilitating illness and the risk might be worth it to the person. But I think they should know enough to make an informed decision in that case. - Steve N From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don't necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of real life people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
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No one seems to know for sure. Some think it is argyria from the silver they used, some think it is because they are partly reptilian, some think that inbreeding caused a dna problem where their heart was hooked up backwards and some think that they stayed indoors all the time so had very very white skin where you could see the blue veins easily.. Marshall Richard Goodwin wrote: Isn't this where the blue-bloods come in? *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org mailto:d...@deetroy.org wrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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She must have been quite a woman Ode !!! Take good care Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I thought about that also -- if you take CS all the time, does it make your immune system lazy by totally replacing it? Somehow I doubt that it works that way. I think probably enough organisms survive the silver to trigger your immune system to go to work on them, just not so many that they overwhelm it. Every once in a while I start to get a cold, or maybe the flu, dunno, even though I take silver all the time. It never gets to a full blown cold or flu though, it just get started, then it goes away, usually in a few hours or a few days. So I figure the immune system is alive and well, and happy to have the assistance of the CS. Then again, I really don't know how the immune system works, so ... who knows? - Original Message From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 7:11:02 AM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS There are bacterium discovered that thrive around silver mines and have developed a tolerance, but when removed from that environment, they lost the tolerance in a few generations. For a bacterium, that would be what? ..a few minutes? IMO Anything that is to be strong needs exercise, so to replace the immune system might not be a great idea. Ode At 07:26 PM 1/27/2010 -0500, you wrote: Dick: The only reason I don't take it daily is because it can kill of some of the good bacteriaa in your/my intestines - even though I take digestive enzymes and probiotics. Maybe my thinking goes along the lines, also, that I don't want to wear out the infection killing properties of silver like happens with so many antibiotics. I haven't taken any pharma antibiotics in 35 years, but I do know that there effectiveness can falter by overuse. I assume that you're aware of how antibiotics become useless when certain bacteria learn how to over-rule them. What do you think? John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I hadn't heard those other possibilities. It is hard to imagine anyone turning blue from using silver utensils. After all, many many people have used silver utensils throughout the ages, without turning blue. And I just read that the so-called blue bloods, the aristocracy that was so named, didn't use silver utensils all that much anyway. I believe it was simply a name given to, or taken by, the aristocracy at one particular time, and may have had more to do with their lack of tans, thus fair skin through which veins were more visible, than with anything else. Dick - Original Message From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 10:46:42 AM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS No one seems to know for sure. Some think it is argyria from the silver they used, some think it is because they are partly reptilian, some think that inbreeding caused a dna problem where their heart was hooked up backwards and some think that they stayed indoors all the time so had very very white skin where you could see the blue veins easily.. Marshall Richard Goodwin wrote: Isn't this where the blue-bloods come in? *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org mailto:d...@deetroy.org wrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yeah, but ... if she can blow up car batteries and turn watch faces black, what happens to you when you, er, shake hands with her??? :-) Dick - Original Message From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 11:19:56 AM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS She must have been quite a woman Ode !!! Take good care Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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That certainly isn't my problem. I've seen pasty white skin with blue veins and they don't make the skin look blue-- just the veins. I am an outdoor type--Logger,Truck driver and master mechanic. I still am active as such though I am more choosy about what jobs I take on now days. Its been my opinion that Blue bloods were Royalty and never worked a day in their pathetic lives. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: No one seems to know for sure. Some think it is argyria from the silver they used, some think it is because they are partly reptilian, some think that inbreeding caused a dna problem where their heart was hooked up backwards and some think that they stayed indoors all the time so had very very white skin where you could see the blue veins easily.. Marshall Richard Goodwin wrote: Isn't this where the blue-bloods come in? *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgmailto: d...@deetroy.org wrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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What, you mean like politicians? dee On 28 Jan 2010, at 16:51, Dave Darrin wrote: That certainly isn't my problem. I've seen pasty white skin with blue veins and they don't make the skin look blue-- just the veins. I am an outdoor type--Logger,Truck driver and master mechanic. I still am active as such though I am more choosy about what jobs I take on now days. Its been my opinion that Blue bloods were Royalty and never worked a day in their pathetic lives. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: What, you mean like politicians? dee On 28 Jan 2010, at 16:51, Dave Darrin wrote: That certainly isn't my problem. I've seen pasty white skin with blue veins and they don't make the skin look blue-- just the veins. I am an outdoor type--Logger,Truck driver and master mechanic. I still am active as such though I am more choosy about what jobs I take on now days. Its been my opinion that Blue bloods were Royalty and never worked a day in their pathetic lives. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dave, Your information on your experience with EIS is very interesting and useful. To summarize your EIS usage, you took an average of one pint per day (sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years. All the EIS was clear colored and made with a colloid master 777 using a setting for 20 ppm. I assume that the 8 years is from the start of using EIS to today. The time from noticing blue moons to noticing a skin discoloration was 2 to 3 years. During those 2 to 3 years, you continued taking an average of one pint per day of EIS. Other than the niacin, you took no unusual types or amounts of supplements. Can you tell us how long it was from the start of using EIS till you first noticed blue moons? Max, Is it possible for you to provide similar information on your usage and experience? Thanks so much to both of you for your sharing. - Steve N From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say about two years. Maybe three. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well if you use the three year time line and subtract it from eight it would leave you with five years up to when it was noticed. Not that I think you can't add or subtract but maybe someone that reads this may be so challenged. ( just kidding around) Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: Dave, Your information on your experience with EIS is very interesting and useful. To summarize your EIS usage, you took an average of one pint per day (sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years. All the EIS was clear colored and made with a colloid master 777 using a setting for 20 ppm. I assume that the 8 years is from the start of using EIS to today. The time from noticing blue moons to noticing a skin discoloration was 2 to 3 years. During those 2 to 3 years, you continued taking an average of one pint per day of EIS. Other than the niacin, you took no unusual types or amounts of supplements. Can you tell us how long it was from the start of using EIS till you first noticed blue moons? Max, Is it possible for you to provide similar information on your usage and experience? Thanks so much to both of you for your sharing. - Steve N From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say about two years. Maybe three. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I wasn't sure how long you had the skin coloring and I wanted as good a timeline as possible. I have found that making assumptions can often lead to big mistakes and so I wanted to be sure. Thanks again, Steve N BTW, you did use distilled water? Or if not, what did you use? I apologize if I am asking questions you have already answered. From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Well if you use the three year time line and subtract it from eight it would leave you with five years up to when it was noticed. Not that I think you can't add or subtract but maybe someone that reads this may be so challenged. ( just kidding around) Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Dave, Your information on your experience with EIS is very interesting and useful. To summarize your EIS usage, you took an average of one pint per day (sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years. All the EIS was clear colored and made with a colloid master 777 using a setting for 20 ppm. I assume that the 8 years is from the start of using EIS to today. The time from noticing blue moons to noticing a skin discoloration was 2 to 3 years. During those 2 to 3 years, you continued taking an average of one pint per day of EIS. Other than the niacin, you took no unusual types or amounts of supplements. Can you tell us how long it was from the start of using EIS till you first noticed blue moons? Max, Is it possible for you to provide similar information on your usage and experience? Thanks so much to both of you for your sharing. - Steve N From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say about two years. Maybe three. Dave
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At 12:58 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: Well if you use the three year time line and subtract it from eight it would leave you with five years up to when it was noticed. Not that I think you can't add or subtract but maybe someone that reads this may be so challenged. ( just kidding around) Dave I am now confused, are you saying 5 years to when you noticed blue moons then 3 years to the facial coloration? Somehow I thought you had the facial argryia for longer. Is it then quite recent? I must be really slow mentally today, but if I'm not correct, could you once again set out the complete timeline? thanks, sol On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Norton, Steve mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.comstephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Dave, Your information on your experience with EIS is very interesting and useful. To summarize your EIS usage, you took an average of one pint per day (sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years. All the EIS was clear colored and made with a colloid master 777 using a setting for 20 ppm. I assume that the 8 years is from the start of using EIS to today. The time from noticing blue moons to noticing a skin discoloration was 2 to 3 years. During those 2 to 3 years, you continued taking an average of one pint per day of EIS. Other than the niacin, you took no unusual types or amounts of supplements. Can you tell us how long it was from the start of using EIS till you first noticed blue moons?
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I do believe I mentioned steam distilled. However my memory is short and I don't feel like sorting through the messages to find it. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: I wasn’t sure how long you had the skin coloring and I wanted as good a timeline as possible. I have found that making assumptions can often lead to big mistakes and so I wanted to be sure. Thanks again, Steve N BTW, you did use distilled water? Or if not, what did you use? I apologize if I am asking questions you have already answered. *From:* Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:58 AM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Well if you use the three year time line and subtract it from eight it would leave you with five years up to when it was noticed. Not that I think you can't add or subtract but maybe someone that reads this may be so challenged. ( just kidding around) Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Dave, Your information on your experience with EIS is very interesting and useful. To summarize your EIS usage, you took an average of one pint per day (sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years. All the EIS was clear colored and made with a colloid master 777 using a setting for 20 ppm. I assume that the 8 years is from the start of using EIS to today. The time from noticing blue moons to noticing a skin discoloration was 2 to 3 years. During those 2 to 3 years, you continued taking an average of one pint per day of EIS. Other than the niacin, you took no unusual types or amounts of supplements. Can you tell us how long it was from the start of using EIS till you first noticed blue moons? Max, Is it possible for you to provide similar information on your usage and experience? Thanks so much to both of you for your sharing. - Steve N From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say about two years. Maybe three. Dave
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M. Dudley has written many times in past about the possible role of caffeine in producing argyria, and the role of sunlight. He might be able to pull up some previous posts on this topic that would be enlightening, and help to develop some ideas about the phenomenon under discussion. Caffeine intake may be a major factor if he is correct. On Friday, Jan 29, 2010, at 04:48 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Dave, Your information on your experience with EIS is very interesting and useful. To summarize your EIS usage, you took an average of one pint per day (sometimes more - sometimes less) for eight years. All the EIS was clear colored and made with a colloid master 777 using a setting for 20 ppm. I assume that the 8 years is from the start of using EIS to today. The time from noticing blue moons to noticing a skin discoloration was 2 to 3 years. During those 2 to 3 years, you continued taking an average of one pint per day of EIS. Other than the niacin, you took no unusual types or amounts of supplements. Can you tell us how long it was from the start of using EIS till you first noticed blue moons? Max, Is it possible for you to provide similar information on your usage and experience? Thanks so much to both of you for your sharing. - Steve N From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say about two years. Maybe three. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I didn't know that vit C removes iodine from the body, thanks Deb From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 2:44:44 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts. Dave On List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I was about ready for a cement overcoat when I read that on some doctors web site ( don't even remember who) so I started to space my iodine three hours later and in two days I was back with the living. In another two days or so I didn't need to fall asleep whenever I sat down as had been happening, especially when I sat at the computer. In thirty days I took off thirty pounds because besides boosting the thyroid with the iodine I made a concerted effort to keep all Soy products out of my mouth -- it changes testosterone into estrogen and suppresses the thyroid. Check out Dr. Wong's site on soy. Now I can put in a days work and sure I get tired but it is a good tired not the utterly destroying fatigue that I was experiencing. I've been in very good physical shape for years since whipping Lyme but was overwhelmed with fatigue all the time not knowing that spacing my supplements and eating the so called healthy Soy, which has been introduced into almost everything in the grocery store , was the problem. Dave On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: I didn't know that vit C removes iodine from the body, thanks Deb -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 28, 2010 2:44:44 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly. But it is good work if you can land it. I noticed your interest in mega doses of vitamin C. I take three grams a day but have to space it away from Iodine as it combines and removes it from your body leaving your thyroid deficient in its most needed nutrient. Since the thyroid controls most all of your systems including metabolism it could be prohibitive to go too far with it. Another thought that came to mind is that ascorbic acid is acidic and I would think that if you were on the fence so to speak between acidic and alkaline PH the increase in acid could help cancer to take root. Re: Alkalise or die. ( I used to have the web site but lost it) Possibly if Linus Pauling had quit the C for a while instead of increasing it and substituted baking soda until the cancer was gone he might still be with us. Just a few thoughts. Dave On List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I agree. As health care is taken over more and more by those hungry for profit and power, i.e., insurance companies, big pharma and the government, it becomes less and less responsive to the actual needs of patients. And doctors for that matter. There seems to be a growing underground network of healthcare professionals, and their loyal following of patients, who are not afraid to buck the system and go off on their own into the worlds of alternative medicine and alternative medical practice. Personally, I am quite willing to pay out-of-pocket for such care, because it is often more effective than orthodox medical care, plus it isn't nearly as expensive, given that those doctors get 100% of the money I give them, not having to share it with the insurance industry, except of course for malpractice premiums... sigh. One result of this is a growing number of alternative doctors who are lyme literate, and who prescribe EIS in amounts and durations to actually cure the disease once and for all, which mainstream medicine and health insurance is unable and unwilling to do. We may all be our own guinea pigs here, but the results speak for themselves, and I am very glad to have found this email list and group of independent-minded people, who aren't afraid to go over, through, or around the medical establishment, from whom I am learning so much. Thank you. Dick - Original Message From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 4:50:40 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Sad tale, Steve, and good points. Vito might have had a herx reaction, too. sigh Still, if you add up enough anecdotal evidence across a large enough population and long enough period of time, it starts to become reasonable to draw some tentative conclusions. For instance, how many folks report going for years at a time without getting sick after starting to take CS... after a lifetime of getting colds, flu, or whatever, on a regular basis along with everyone else? Hear that tale often enough and you'll start to think maybe CS is contributing to that. Even in mainstream science and medicine, there's a vehicle for developing research directions on the basis of clinical experience. If a doctor sees something interesting happening in his or her patients, they can publish this, usually in the form of a survey of the literature and a case report, which seeks to interest researchers in pursuing further studies based on those anecdotal reports. Of course, we're not doctors, there are no official journals ready to publish our reports, and no bevy of institutions looking for ways to spend grant money developing our ideas. And ideas that are too radical or crackpot sounding are unlikely to get picked up, even when it *is* a doctor making the report. Some would also suggest there needs to be some profit in the idea for somebody. So for things like CS we're limited to watching the literature, accumulating anecdotes, and doing as much testing as we can afford to do as individuals and small groups. We can wish for more, but there's still good that's come of what we've been able to do. Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Could equally well be that he got such a strong herx reaction that it did him in, especially when he was in a weakened condition to begin with. Coule equally well be that he had something else entirely wrong with him, and died from something that had nothing whatsoever to do with CS or with any infection. You're right -- without more information, you can conclude anything you want from anecdotal evidence, and you can be 100% wrong as easily as you can be 100% right. Who knows. Dick From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:04:29 PM Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. I recognize that sometimes it really does suggest a compelling connection a la cause and effect, but at other times it does not, but people will believe crazy stuff due to coincidence. Here is a true story involving CS. One of our pet rats, Vito recently lost most interest in eating and began acting lethargic and depressed.My wife, who tends to our small furry friends faithfully, asked me if CS might help. I said it might. So she started mixing it 50/50 with regular water. Vito lapped it up greedily resting every now and then because he was weak. She did this for a couple days. Then the other night, Vito passed away. The gist of the story - Our sick rat drank CS and died. Now to some people, this would represent the proof they needed to show that CS is toxic. To others, it just would mean that poor Vito was too far gone for the CS to help, assuming that it could. In my mind, Vito was on his last legs and his hours were numbered. There is no way I believe that the CS hurt him, despite his ultimate demise. This is the problem with anecdotal evidence. It can be extremely convincing, yet it is NOT scientific and not proof of anything. Some things are right, even though there is not good proof. And some things are wrong, despite evidence which appears compelling on the surface. Cheers.
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Exactly, Neville! It's the how and the how much that matters. Incorrect conclusions can easily be drawn to support either the pro or the con side of any topic if the biggest possible picture, based upon the best possible infomation which is presently available and understood, is not seen for what it is. Taking as many surrounding facts into account as possible and logging them for future reference helps to develop the big picture experience and that is precisely why Lists like this one provide so much wisdom. When a large number of people are acting and reporting in a similar way, their collective experiences start to add up to something much bigger than a single personal effert, due to duplication of results. When this type of synergistic collective experimenting/reporting is being carried out, anecdotal evidence can be very meaningful as each successive anecdote helps to confirm another similar one or chip away at some of the credibility of a dissimilar one, until the statue, if you will, of evidence begins to take on a definite form of its own as it's shaped by a multitude of experimenters/artists who are all contributing to the final, or at least, fairly recognizable, piece of work/art. So, keep the anecdotes coming! They are worth their weight in silver, if not gold! Peter - Original Message - From: Neville Munn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Which is why a million questions need be asked so it can be logged and put up against another case which may come to light in the future, then comparisons can be made and a more accurate assessment may ensue. It's more a matter of *how much* information will/can be willingly/readily given or extracted from the individual and what conclusions, if any, can be drawn based on that information. Most correlate 'CS' with argyria, but that 'CS' usually constitutes *anything* that contains silver, or even the smell of silver? That alone prompts a thousand questions...Fairly difficult to determine with a degree of accuracy one way or tuther I would think from information available on the net today...Questions, questions, questions...Answers not entirely convincing or praps even trustworthy...supposition, inuendo, trickery, and some of course are outright lies...doesn't make an assessment any easier for or against! So, best everyone keeps plugging away on their own I spose using themselves as 'case studies', guinea pigs, or lab rats...each convincing themselves and/or making their own deliberations along the way. N. -- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:29 -0800 From: chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. -- Sell your old one fast! Time for a new car?
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When I first started making CS there was a chap in a nearby town who heard about it and used to get some off me to treat his Ross River Virus. This is a local illness carried by mosquitoes which can make people lethargic and painful for a long time. He found it was the only thing that would help him. I think he must have bought his own silver generator after that - at least, I did advise him to. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Somebody once said: If an AMA doctor, hospital, medical research establishmen, etc. reports on a patient's real life medical experience, it is called a Case Study, if it is reported by someone else, like the patient, it is called Anecdotal Evidence. From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca To: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 9:12:50 AM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly, Neville! It's the how and the how much that matters. Incorrect conclusions can easily be drawn to support either the pro or the con side of any topic if the biggest possible picture, based upon the best possible infomation which is presently available and understood, is not seen for what it is. Taking as many surrounding facts into account as possible and logging them for future reference helps to develop the big picture experience and that is precisely why Lists like this one provide so much wisdom. When a large number of people are acting and reporting in a similar way, their collective experiences start to add up to something much bigger than a single personal effert, due to duplication of results. When this type of synergistic collective experimenting/reporting is being carried out, anecdotal evidence can be very meaningful as each successive anecdote helps to confirm another similar one or chip away at some of the credibility of a dissimilar one, until the statue, if you will, of evidence begins to take on a definite form of its own as it's shaped by a multitude of experimenters/artists who are all contributing to the final, or at least, fairly recognizable, piece of work/art. So, keep the anecdotes coming! They are worth their weight in silver, if not gold! Peter - Original Message - From: Neville Munn To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Which is why a million questions need be asked so it can be logged and put up against another case which may come to light in the future, then comparisons can be made and a more accurate assessment may ensue. It's more a matter of *how much* information will/can be willingly/readily given or extracted from the individual and what conclusions, if any, can be drawn based on that information. Most correlate 'CS' with argyria, but that 'CS' usually constitutes *anything* that contains silver, or even the smell of silver? That alone prompts a thousand questions...Fairly difficult to determine with a degree of accuracy one way or tuther I would think from information available on the net today...Questions, questions, questions...Answers not entirely convincing or praps even trustworthy...supposition, inuendo, trickery, and some of course are outright lies...doesn't make an assessment any easier for or against! So, best everyone keeps plugging away on their own I spose using themselves as 'case studies', guinea pigs, or lab rats...each convincing themselves and/or making their own deliberations along the way. N. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:29 -0800 From: chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. Sell your old one fast! Time for a new car?
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My sentiments exactly, and to that end I remain 'independant' of the concensus
of opinion, both here and anywhere else, and remain unconvinced EIS, as
produced and consumed by those who know what they are doing, has any connection
with argyria. From all literature and published material available in the
public domain I have come across, and I emphasise all information *I* have come
across, I am somewhat surprised that such learned people on this List maintain
the suggestion that argyria is a possibility with the use of EIS in it's purest
form. I believe there are simply too many things going against that
proposition when one takes into account all the unknowns in relation to
product, an individuals lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption, praps
even medicinals etc etc etc.
I have always maintained 'CS' is the bas tard cousin to EIS and as such that
family has all sorts of riff raff and yobbo's masquerading as the real thing,
and I will continue to promote that point with anyone I speak with, despite all.
Colloidal Silver is an age old terminology when the 'colloids' were the size of
house bricks, this does not even come remotely close to what we produce today
using the methods and equipment we use and I will continue to disassociate
argyria in any way shape or form with Electrolytically Isolated Silver produced
*correctly* and ingested/used/applied etc with even the smallest amount of
common sense. One would need to ingest a hell of a lot of EIS in it's purest
form before any adverse effect would become evident from all literature I have
perused over the years.
While there may be some, not necessarily here of course, who wilfully go
against all known factors and protocols in the production and consumption of
this stuff, I consider those who participate on this list can make the
distinction between some Frankenstein concoction and EIS in it's purest form,
{which is why I consider this List has more to offer than others I have come
across}, and praps some should be looking elsewhere for the root cause of any
colouration which may have become apparent {no disrespect intended}.
If it so happens I turn blue sometime in the future, then the laugh will be on
me and everyone can have a field day, but until that day comes I will continue
to maintain my belief and continue with my production and daily intake of what
I consider a product equal to anything out there in quality...as I have been
doing for a number of years.
I have nothing to back my words up, other than my research, home production
experience, laboratory analysis and conviction.
OK, that'll do, I've probly stepped on enough toes by now. You can hit the
delete button now.
N.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:14:13 -0800
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I can understand the anecdotal evidence when something happens that could happen anyway. But they apply it to things that to me constitute absolute proof. If you cure something that is otherwise incurable, such as herpes or AIDS, then how can that be anecdotal? Marshall Richard Goodwin wrote: Somebody once said: If an AMA doctor, hospital, medical research establishmen, etc. reports on a patient's real life medical experience, it is called a Case Study, if it is reported by someone else, like the patient, it is called Anecdotal Evidence. *From:* Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca *To:* Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com; silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 9:12:50 AM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly, Neville! It's the how and the how much that matters. Incorrect conclusions can easily be drawn to support either the pro or the con side of any topic if the biggest possible picture, based upon the best possible infomation which is presently available and understood, is not seen for what it is. Taking as many surrounding facts into account as possible and logging them for future reference helps to develop the big picture experience and that is precisely why Lists like this one provide so much wisdom. When a large number of people are acting and reporting in a similar way, their collective experiences start to add up to something much bigger than a single personal effert, due to duplication of results. When this type of synergistic collective experimenting/reporting is being carried out, anecdotal evidence can be very meaningful as each successive anecdote helps to confirm another similar one or chip away at some of the credibility of a dissimilar one, until the statue, if you will, of evidence begins to take on a definite form of its own as it's shaped by a multitude of experimenters/artists who are all contributing to the final, or at least, fairly recognizable, piece of work/art. So, keep the anecdotes coming! They are worth their weight in silver, if not gold! Peter - Original Message - *From:* Neville Munn mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:59 PM *Subject:* RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Which is why a million questions need be asked so it can be logged and put up against another case which may come to light in the future, then comparisons can be made and a more accurate assessment may ensue. It's more a matter of *how much* information will/can be willingly/readily given or extracted from the individual and what conclusions, if any, can be drawn based on that information. Most correlate 'CS' with argyria, but that 'CS' usually constitutes *anything* that contains silver, or even the smell of silver? That alone prompts a thousand questions...Fairly difficult to determine with a degree of accuracy one way or tuther I would think from information available on the net today...Questions, questions, questions...Answers not entirely convincing or praps even trustworthy...supposition, inuendo, trickery, and some of course are outright lies...doesn't make an assessment any easier for or against! So, best everyone keeps plugging away on their own I spose using themselves as 'case studies', guinea pigs, or lab rats...each convincing themselves and/or making their own deliberations along the way. N. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:29 -0800 From: chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. Sell your old one fast! Time for a new car? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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When people use EIS, they don't necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of real life people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood? I have no proof for the following, but I think that silver chloride is formed in the stomach with EIS and that the silver chloride pretty much passes through the body unchanged. That would explain why in the Altman study the silver is eliminated primarily through the kidney whereas in the studies on silver elimination, using various types of silver other than EIS, silver elimination has always been shown to be primarily through the liver. My guess is that, due to the low solubility of silver chloride, most of the silver chloride exists as small particles in the body and are filtered out by the kidney specifically because they are small particles. From what I have gathered, large particles and silver in solution are most likely filtered out through the liver by several processes. I have also heard it stated that the silver particles in EIS can also act as a propalatic to prevent argyria. I don't have an understanding of how that can be. It may be from the above that much of the silver in EIS is not present in the body in a form that deposits in the tissues but some will be and if enough is used over time, argyria can happen. I understand that you have a firm personal conviction regarding EIS and argyria, but I think that a forum such as the silver list has to consider EIS as being used by a wide variety of people, under differing conditions and in various quantities due to the need of the individuals condition. And that under those unknown circumstances the possibility of argyria must be openly acknowledged. Regards, Steve N From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:34 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS [... I am somewhat surprised that such learned people on this List maintain the suggestion that argyria is a possibility with the use of EIS in it's purest form. I believe there are simply too many things going against that proposition when one takes into account all the unknowns in relation to product, an individuals lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption, praps even medicinals etc etc etc. ...]
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Exactly. It's called anecdotal by those who don't want to believe it. Or who don't want YOU to believe it. - Original Message From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:48:42 AM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I can understand the anecdotal evidence when something happens that could happen anyway. But they apply it to things that to me constitute absolute proof. If you cure something that is otherwise incurable, such as herpes or AIDS, then how can that be anecdotal? Marshall Richard Goodwin wrote: Somebody once said: If an AMA doctor, hospital, medical research establishmen, etc. reports on a patient's real life medical experience, it is called a Case Study, if it is reported by someone else, like the patient, it is called Anecdotal Evidence. *From:* Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca *To:* Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com; silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 9:12:50 AM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Exactly, Neville! It's the how and the how much that matters. Incorrect conclusions can easily be drawn to support either the pro or the con side of any topic if the biggest possible picture, based upon the best possible infomation which is presently available and understood, is not seen for what it is. Taking as many surrounding facts into account as possible and logging them for future reference helps to develop the big picture experience and that is precisely why Lists like this one provide so much wisdom. When a large number of people are acting and reporting in a similar way, their collective experiences start to add up to something much bigger than a single personal effert, due to duplication of results. When this type of synergistic collective experimenting/reporting is being carried out, anecdotal evidence can be very meaningful as each successive anecdote helps to confirm another similar one or chip away at some of the credibility of a dissimilar one, until the statue, if you will, of evidence begins to take on a definite form of its own as it's shaped by a multitude of experimenters/artists who are all contributing to the final, or at least, fairly recognizable, piece of work/art. So, keep the anecdotes coming! They are worth their weight in silver, if not gold! Peter - Original Message - *From:* Neville Munn mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:59 PM *Subject:* RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS Which is why a million questions need be asked so it can be logged and put up against another case which may come to light in the future, then comparisons can be made and a more accurate assessment may ensue. It's more a matter of *how much* information will/can be willingly/readily given or extracted from the individual and what conclusions, if any, can be drawn based on that information. Most correlate 'CS' with argyria, but that 'CS' usually constitutes *anything* that contains silver, or even the smell of silver? That alone prompts a thousand questions...Fairly difficult to determine with a degree of accuracy one way or tuther I would think from information available on the net today...Questions, questions, questions...Answers not entirely convincing or praps even trustworthy...supposition, inuendo, trickery, and some of course are outright lies...doesn't make an assessment any easier for or against! So, best everyone keeps plugging away on their own I spose using themselves as 'case studies', guinea pigs, or lab rats...each convincing themselves and/or making their own deliberations along the way. N. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:29 -0800 From: chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. Sell your old one fast! Time for a new car? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Neville:
My response is that I would and did make many of the same assumptions
until people started asking me why my complexion was so grey.
Also changing the name from CS to EIS doesn't make one iota of difference in
the product. If it is made with pure silver, Pure steam distilled water with
a generator made for that purpose it is the same product no matter what you
call it. (around 80% ionic)
I know what I'm doing now as I did when I first started. And I submit
there IS an actual connection between EIS and Argeria.
I don't rely on doctors for anything other than a gateway to testing Labs.
I haven't had a prescription in fifteen years at least, I don't drink
Alcohol, Smoke or use any kind of illicit drugs. I've never had a heart
problem or Lung problem accept in conjunction with a cold which I haven't
experienced in years of taking silver.
I had a circulation problem in my feet that I cured with Niacin and I
believe that the niacin flush, which is necessary, may have led to the
silver getting into my skin. Other than that The only connection to Argeria
is properly made silver.
So keep on believing as you do and keep a weary eye on your mirror.
Dave
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote:
My sentiments exactly, and to that end I remain 'independant' of the
concensus of opinion, both here and anywhere else, and remain unconvinced
EIS, as produced and consumed by those who know what they are doing, has any
connection with argyria. From all literature and published material
available in the public domain I have come across, and I emphasise all
information **I** have come across, I am somewhat surprised that such
learned people on this List maintain the suggestion that argyria is a
possibility with the use of EIS in it's purest form. I believe there are
simply too many things going against that proposition when one takes into
account all the unknowns in relation to product, an individuals lifestyle,
diet, habitat, supplement consumption, praps even medicinals etc etc etc.
I have always maintained 'CS' is the bas tard cousin to EIS and as such
that family has all sorts of riff raff and yobbo's masquerading as the real
thing, and I will continue to promote that point with anyone I speak with,
despite all.
Colloidal Silver is an age old terminology when the 'colloids' were the
size of house bricks, this does not even come remotely close to what we
produce today using the methods and equipment we use and I will continue to
disassociate argyria in any way shape or form with Electrolytically Isolated
Silver produced *correctly* and ingested/used/applied etc with even the
smallest amount of common sense. One would need to ingest a hell of a lot
of EIS in it's purest form before any adverse effect would become evident
from all literature I have perused over the years.
While there may be some, not necessarily here of course, who wilfully go
against all known factors and protocols in the production and consumption of
this stuff, I consider those who participate on this list can make
the distinction between some Frankenstein concoction and EIS in it's purest
form, {which is why I consider this List has more to offer than others I
have come across}, and praps some should be looking elsewhere for the root
cause of any colouration which may have become apparent {no disrespect
intended}.
If it so happens I turn blue sometime in the future, then the laugh will be
on me and everyone can have a field day, but until that day comes I will
continue to maintain my belief and continue with my production and daily
intake of what I consider a product equal to anything out there in
quality...as I have been doing for a number of years.
I have nothing to back my words up, other than my research, home production
experience, laboratory analysis and conviction.
OK, that'll do, I've probly stepped on enough toes by now. You can hit the
delete button now.
N.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:14:13 -0800
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Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Yes but if you think about some of these so-called scientific tests Neville, I think yours (and mine) are probably a lot more true and un-biased. After all, most of them take things out of context and even on some occasions, deliberately lied as to the efficacy and safety of their products. Cigarettes spring to mind here i.e. the tobacco industry did 'trials' which actually 'proved' tobacco was GOOD for us, would you please! And if you go into it, in some (very rare) instances, it actually *can* be, but not in MOST cases. With EIS I think it is *more* often beneficial than it is not. dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 15:33, Neville Munn wrote: My sentiments exactly, and to that end I remain 'independant' of the concensus of opinion, both here and anywhere else, and remain unconvinced EIS, as produced and consumed by those who know what they are doing, has any connection with argyria. From all literature and published material available in the public domain I have come across, and I emphasise all information *I* have come across, I am somewhat surprised that such learned people on this List maintain the suggestion that argyria is a possibility with the use of EIS in it's purest form. I believe there are simply too many things going against that proposition when one takes into account all the unknowns in relation to product, an individuals lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption, praps even medicinals etc etc etc.
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
One has to consider how the other person will use the EIS. Sure, if someone is going to take EIS for the flu or an ounce a day for a year or a quart a day for a couple months, I'd tell them they won't get argyria from that amount. But if someone is going to fight something like Lyme disease where the amounts could be high for an extended period of time (years), I would warn them. In some cases, the EIS might cure a debilitating illness and the risk might be worth it to the person. But I think they should know enough to make an informed decision in that case. - Steve N From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don't necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of real life people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Hi There Marshall, for those who HAVE TO BE RIGHT, for many reasons, tend to forget the power of the mind - as you stated anything can heal, all that is needed is the belief, which is the mindset However it is good to have choice in what any of us choose for ourselves, and this is where the research and deliberations are so very useful, it gives us all a road to travel on if we choose that road, and if not then we simply find another road. Bless and keep on keeping on to all of us on this list whether we know what we know or simply think we know what we think we know It matters not as long as we are all in the very best of health ! Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
That brings back memory's of Nine out of ten doctors smoke camels Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: Yes but if you think about some of these so-called scientific tests Neville, I think yours (and mine) are probably a lot more true and un-biased. After all, most of them take things out of context and even on some occasions, deliberately lied as to the efficacy and safety of their products. Cigarettes spring to mind here i.e. the tobacco industry did 'trials' which actually 'proved' tobacco was GOOD for us, would you please! And if you go into it, in some (very rare) instances, it actually *can* be, but not in MOST cases. With EIS I think it is *more* often beneficial than it is not. dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 15:33, Neville Munn wrote: My sentiments exactly, and to that end I remain 'independant' of the concensus of opinion, both here and anywhere else, and remain unconvinced EIS, as produced and consumed by those who know what they are doing, has any connection with argyria. From all literature and published material available in the public domain I have come across, and I emphasise all information **I** have come across, I am somewhat surprised that such learned people on this List maintain the suggestion that argyria is a possibility with the use of EIS in it's purest form. I believe there are simply too many things going against that proposition when one takes into account all the unknowns in relation to product, an individuals lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption, praps even medicinals etc etc etc.
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
At 10:16 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: I had a circulation problem in my feet that I cured with Niacin and I believe that the niacin flush, which is necessary, may have led to the silver getting into my skin. Other than that The only connection to Argeria is properly made silver. So keep on believing as you do and keep a weary eye on your mirror. Dave The idea of the niacin flushes allowing silver to deposit into the skin is intriguing. Do you have the grey in the nails also? I have the nail discoloration (blue moons) but no grey elsewhere. I have not taken as much CS as you did nor for as long, but considering my nails, the question of why I do not have grey skin of the face, etc. is interesting to me. I do not take niacin, and very seldom have ever taken even the supposedly non-flushing form niacinamide (which has in the far past caused me to flush, btw). I am subject to dermatitis, hives, eczema and the flushing from niacin will give me an intolerable outbreak of dermatitis or hives that can last far past the time a niacin flush is supposed to last. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
And that in turn brings back memories of the doctor coming to my house -- remember when they all made house calls routinely? -- and asking for an ashtray so he could light up his camel... From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 4:32:42 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS That brings back memory's of Nine out of ten doctors smoke camels Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Yes but if you think about some of these so-called scientific tests Neville, I think yours (and mine) are probably a lot more true and un-biased. After all, most of them take things out of context and even on some occasions, deliberately lied as to the efficacy and safety of their products. Cigarettes spring to mind here i.e. the tobacco industry did 'trials' which actually 'proved' tobacco was GOOD for us, would you please! And if you go into it, in some (very rare) instances, it actually *can* be, but not in MOST cases. With EIS I think it is *more* often beneficial than it is not. dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 15:33, Neville Munn wrote: My sentiments exactly, and to that end I remain 'independant' of the concensus of opinion, both here and anywhere else, and remain unconvinced EIS, as produced and consumed by those who know what they are doing, has any connection with argyria. From all literature and published material available in the public domain I have come across, and I emphasise all information *I* have come across, I am somewhat surprised that such learned people on this List maintain the suggestion that argyria is a possibility with the use of EIS in it's purest form. I believe there are simply too many things going against that proposition when one takes into account all the unknowns in relation to product, an individuals lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption, praps even medicinals etc etc etc.
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Isn't this where the blue-bloods come in? From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
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I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
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There happens to be a member here who's expressed a theory on that...joke or not, but given some thought I believe he's right, more about lack of sunlight moreso than silver probly, and probly isolation from the peasantry may have contributed where disease is concerned...protected species and all that. N. Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:59:14 -0800 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS To: silver-list@eskimo.com Isn't this where the blue-bloods come in? From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood? _ Time for a new car? Sell your old one fast! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/
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Whenever, if ever, my felines come down with any type of illness, they always get a dose of CSW administered by eye dropper. I don't think the claws or paws have ever indicated any blue moons - and their fur color is unchanged... No blueness Ha... ha... One of my cats, Angel, had a serious infection where she drooled blood colored saliva onto the front of her beautiful coat. I used CSW with her 3 - 4 times daily and Flor*Essence tea to detox her. This illness went on for about three months as did her daily dosages of both and she's healed and back into good shape. I published a children's book entitled: Angel the Mischievous Cat which is a delightfully humorous book for children ages 3 - 8. It was released by the publisher, Publish America, on January 19th. At publishamerica.com. under children's books. There you will see a very healthy Angel playing her tricks for youngsters. i have used CSW for years and do not have bluemoons or blue tinted flesh color. I use it on burns, cuts, if ever I think I have a sore throat coming on, if ever sinus infections begin coming on, in my washer, on the counters, in the bathrooms, etc.,. It's always stopped any infection dead in their tracks before they could ever take hold. I haven't had a cold or any illness in years. I don't use it daily, but sometimes gargle to kill off any bacteria and i soak my toothbrush in it. For me, it's a miracle in a bottle - a glass bottle that is... Ha... ha... It's my humble opinion that argyria can only happen if CSW is made incorrectly. John On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.comwrote: I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
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You've got my vote. N. Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:15 -0500 Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com [It's my humble opinion that argyria can only happen if CSW is made incorrectly.] _ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
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Dick's cut quote: [...only under fluorescent lights.] That's interesting? N. Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:01:23 -0800 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS To: silver-list@eskimo.com I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick From: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood? _ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
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Dick: The only reason I don't take it daily is because it can kill of some of the good bacteriaa in your/my intestines - even though I take digestive enzymes and probiotics. Maybe my thinking goes along the lines, also, that I don't want to wear out the infection killing properties of silver like happens with so many antibiotics. I haven't taken any pharma antibiotics in 35 years, but I do know that there effectiveness can falter by overuse. I assume that you're aware of how antibiotics become useless when certain bacteria learn how to over-rule them. What do you think? John On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:25 PM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: Whenever, if ever, my felines come down with any type of illness, they always get a dose of CSW administered by eye dropper. I don't think the claws or paws have ever indicated any blue moons - and their fur color is unchanged... No blueness Ha... ha... One of my cats, Angel, had a serious infection where she drooled blood colored saliva onto the front of her beautiful coat. I used CSW with her 3 - 4 times daily and Flor*Essence tea to detox her. This illness went on for about three months as did her daily dosages of both and she's healed and back into good shape. I published a children's book entitled: Angel the Mischievous Cat which is a delightfully humorous book for children ages 3 - 8. It was released by the publisher, Publish America, on January 19th. At publishamerica.com. under children's books. There you will see a very healthy Angel playing her tricks for youngsters. i have used CSW for years and do not have bluemoons or blue tinted flesh color. I use it on burns, cuts, if ever I think I have a sore throat coming on, if ever sinus infections begin coming on, in my washer, on the counters, in the bathrooms, etc.,. It's always stopped any infection dead in their tracks before they could ever take hold. I haven't had a cold or any illness in years. I don't use it daily, but sometimes gargle to kill off any bacteria and i soak my toothbrush in it. For me, it's a miracle in a bottle - a glass bottle that is... Ha... ha... It's my humble opinion that argyria can only happen if CSW is made incorrectly. John On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions
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The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say about two years. Maybe three. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:55 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 10:16 AM 1/27/2010, you wrote: I had a circulation problem in my feet that I cured with Niacin and I believe that the niacin flush, which is necessary, may have led to the silver getting into my skin. Other than that The only connection to Argeria is properly made silver. So keep on believing as you do and keep a weary eye on your mirror. Dave The idea of the niacin flushes allowing silver to deposit into the skin is intriguing. Do you have the grey in the nails also? I have the nail discoloration (blue moons) but no grey elsewhere. I have not taken as much CS as you did nor for as long, but considering my nails, the question of why I do not have grey skin of the face, etc. is interesting to me. I do not take niacin, and very seldom have ever taken even the supposedly non-flushing form niacinamide (which has in the far past caused me to flush, btw). I am subject to dermatitis, hives, eczema and the flushing from niacin will give me an intolerable outbreak of dermatitis or hives that can last far past the time a niacin flush is supposed to last. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mine shows more under fluorescent and very dark under sodium lights. When standing under sodium lighting in a service station I was asked if I fell into my paint bucket. I asked why he said that and the reply was your all blue. When I look in the mirror I don't see blue at all, just grey. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: Dick's cut quote: [...only under fluorescent lights.] That's interesting? N. -- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:01:23 -0800 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS To: silver-list@eskimo.com I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood? -- Browse profiles for FREE View photos of singles in your area!http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
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At 05:46 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote: The blue moons started long before the skin discoloration,I would say about two years. Maybe three. Dave Thanks, 2.5 to about 3 years is the time I took large quantities of CS daily, but when I finally noticed the nails I cut way back and basically stopped taking any orally regularly. I believe but cannot prove that the time of high dosing did what I wanted it to do...I had chronic candida and Epstein Barr, and do think I either got rid of them or at least put them in their place. I had terrible lactose intolerance (due to candida?) and that was cured and has never returned. I have never stopped using CS as mouthwash, and I still mist eyes/face/hands and inhale the mist several times a day when I am out in public running errands or shopping. I also use it topically as necessary. It is very rare for me to even try to catch anything, and I have not had one single instance of flu in the past 7 years. When I first started CS the first use was a tsp in my pet rabbit's drinking water, and it stopped his urine dribbling. I started using it as mouthwash, and within 2 weeks my teeth were no longer sensitive, and I had a comfortable dental cleaning--the first one that wasn't painful in 30 years. CS with DMSO added seems to have cured my husband's cold sores: he hasn't had an outbreak in years. My cats get straight CS as their drinking water. First about 1/2 CS in their water (balance being distilled water) stopped urinary tract problems in one cat totally. Then when she began to have asthma, I upped it to straight CS and she is now 6 months overdue for an attack. In any case I tend to credit CS as being the cause of her having had very few and widely spaced attacks. Our vet says the expected progression of feline asthma is increasingly severe attacks at shorter and shorter intervals. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sad tale, Steve, and good points. Vito might have had a herx reaction, too. sigh Still, if you add up enough anecdotal evidence across a large enough population and long enough period of time, it starts to become reasonable to draw some tentative conclusions. For instance, how many folks report going for years at a time without getting sick after starting to take CS... after a lifetime of getting colds, flu, or whatever, on a regular basis along with everyone else? Hear that tale often enough and you'll start to think maybe CS is contributing to that. Even in mainstream science and medicine, there's a vehicle for developing research directions on the basis of clinical experience. If a doctor sees something interesting happening in his or her patients, they can publish this, usually in the form of a survey of the literature and a case report, which seeks to interest researchers in pursuing further studies based on those anecdotal reports. Of course, we're not doctors, there are no official journals ready to publish our reports, and no bevy of institutions looking for ways to spend grant money developing our ideas. And ideas that are too radical or crackpot sounding are unlikely to get picked up, even when it *is* a doctor making the report. Some would also suggest there needs to be some profit in the idea for somebody. So for things like CS we're limited to watching the literature, accumulating anecdotes, and doing as much testing as we can afford to do as individuals and small groups. We can wish for more, but there's still good that's come of what we've been able to do. Mike D. I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. I recognize that sometimes it really does suggest a compelling connection a la cause and effect, but at other times it does not, but people will believe crazy stuff due to coincidence. Here is a true story involving CS. One of our pet rats, Vito recently lost most interest in eating and began acting lethargic and depressed. My wife, who tends to our small furry friends faithfully, asked me if CS might help. I said it might. So she started mixing it 50/50 with regular water. Vito lapped it up greedily resting every now and then because he was weak. She did this for a couple days. Then the other night, Vito passed away. The gist of the story - Our sick rat drank CS and died. Now to some people, this would represent the proof they needed to show that CS is toxic. To others, it just would mean that poor Vito was too far gone for the CS to help, assuming that it could. In my mind, Vito was on his last legs and his hours were numbered. There is no way I believe that the CS hurt him, despite his ultimate demise. This is the problem with anecdotal evidence. It can be extremely convincing, yet it is NOT scientific and not proof of anything. Some things are right, even though there is not good proof. And some things are wrong, despite evidence which appears compelling on the surface. Cheers. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Which is why a million questions need be asked so it can be logged and put up against another case which may come to light in the future, then comparisons can be made and a more accurate assessment may ensue. It's more a matter of *how much* information will/can be willingly/readily given or extracted from the individual and what conclusions, if any, can be drawn based on that information. Most correlate 'CS' with argyria, but that 'CS' usually constitutes *anything* that contains silver, or even the smell of silver? That alone prompts a thousand questions...Fairly difficult to determine with a degree of accuracy one way or tuther I would think from information available on the net today...Questions, questions, questions...Answers not entirely convincing or praps even trustworthy...supposition, inuendo, trickery, and some of course are outright lies...doesn't make an assessment any easier for or against! So, best everyone keeps plugging away on their own I spose using themselves as 'case studies', guinea pigs, or lab rats...each convincing themselves and/or making their own deliberations along the way. N. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:29 -0800 From: chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. _ Time for a new car? Sell your old one fast! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/
