Re: CS> 20 mule team borax as a source for boron

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 11/9/2012 8:32:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Refresh my memory please -- what is the borax for?
MA




Hi MA, Borax is a laundry booster. It is a source of boron if  anyone wants 
to use it that way.I use it both ways.. For my  boron source I wet my 
index finger {the pointer :-)  }  up to the  first knuckle & cover it with 
borax.. { 20 mule team }   & eat  it... I like the sweet taste--some folks 
can't stand it...  Lois

RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Dan Nave]

Just don't use the product called "Boraxo."  It has soap, etc, added to
the Borax.
 
Dan
 
 



From: Max Sanders [mailto:mazsand...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 6:56 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX


I just read a few of these posts and find it very interesting. Are you
talking about the "20 Mule Team Borax Natural Laundry Booster"?  Boron
may be good for one if needed, but is it OK to ingest the Borax product?
How do you know what else is in it and that it is safe? I always have a
box around for the other stuff, and it sure doesn't suggest ingesting
the material. Sounds as though it has helped your condition Daddybob.
Really very interesting.  I never knew boron was a hard to get element,
and had such consequences if deficient.

Maz

ransley  wrote: 

>OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks
to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it
measured about
1/4 teaspoon. So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too
high?<

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you
have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6
days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx
from it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all
over, got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg
vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx
again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just
fine. 

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out.
I'll report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single
sheapest and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots
of things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap,
this easy.

Daddybob


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

gwms...@optonline.net wrote:
Did I miss something about the borax posts?  Why is everyone talking 
about taking borax when boron is so cheap, readily available and 
already pre-measured to the dose you want to take?
Where? I checked the health food store last night, and they only had it 
in 5 mg capsules.  For 50 mg, that would be 10 a day.  If it had been a 
reasonable amount for a reasonable price, I  would have bought it.


Marshall
 
Original Message -

From: ransley
Date: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:25 pm
Subject: RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

> >Slow down the horses there.!
> Do you realise 1/4 tsp is 1000mg.? Hmmm Me thinks
> quite a large
> dose..??<
> ..
>
> > Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg. ... How would
> you measure
> the 30mg that everyone has mentioned? <
> ..
>
> 30 mgs. of Borax is not 30 mgs. of boron. I'm going on memory,
> but seems
> like it does take about 1000 mgs. of borax to actually get the needed
> elemental boron.
>
> In any case, per my previous post, I've gone way past this. I'm
> still here
> and feeling better than ever.
>
> Daddybob.
>
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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

If one is concerned about the purity of borax, then they could always 
purchase boric acid.  It is available in some drug stores in high 
purity.  Of course if you use that, the amount would go down since it 
contains a higher percentage of boron than borax does.


Marshall

Max Sanders wrote:
I just read a few of these posts and find it very interesting. Are you 
talking about the "20 Mule Team Borax Natural Laundry Booster"?  Boron 
may be good for one if needed, but is it OK to ingest the Borax 
product? How do you know what else is in it and that it is safe? I 
always have a box around for the other stuff, and it sure doesn't 
suggest ingesting the material. Sounds as though it has helped your 
condition Daddybob. Really very interesting.  I never knew boron was a 
hard to get element, and had such consequences if deficient.


Maz

*/ransley /* wrote:

>OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks
to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it
measured about
1/4 teaspoon. So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too
high?<

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6
days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx from
it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all over,
got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg
vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx
again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just fine.

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out. I'll
report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single sheapest
and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots of
things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap,
this easy.

Daddybob


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Bruce Anderson]

I hope this helps.
Bruce

Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

SS

> I've used CMO for years now and have reported what it has done for me
> several times.
>
> Now if you really want that relief to go into high gear, get Boron into
> your
> diet. It will do things that CMO won't, and the two together are a 
one-two

> punch against arthritis.
>
> But to stay on the topic of CS- it was MSM that gave me my first real
> arthritis relief, but the whole time I took it, I could feel the pain
> seething underneath like a caged animal, and if I didn't take massive
> doses
> of MSM, the animal lashed out. CS is what stopped all that. Just a few
> weeks
> of taking a pint daily of CS stopped all my seething chronic pain back in
> 2000.
>
> When you have been badly damaged by whatever cause of arthritis, no 
matter
> how you may rid yourself of the cause, you are left with 
osteo-arthritis.

> That's where CMO and Boron really make a difference.
>
> To test this for your self cheap and easy...and I ask anyone reading this
> not to jump to conclusions and start flaming me about it*...start 
dipping

> a
> wet fingertip, up to the first joint, into BORAX (yes 20 Mule Team Borax)
> and lick it off, at least once a day, going up to perhaps 4 times a day
> until you get the relief you need. The first thing you may notice is that
> the finger you use may start to feel better.
>
> *Borax is mined out of the ground and is perfectly edible, despite being
> sold as a laundry cleaner complete with warnings not to eat it because
> They
> (The Powers That Be) don't want you to know how effective it is. TOO 
much,

> as in spoonfuls, is poisonous, but what won't kill you if you take TOO
> much?
>
> If you're squeamish about doing it that way, then get yourself a boron
> supplement. I will not entertain arguments from
> non-supplement-get-it-all-from
-food freaks. You cannot get enough boron
> that
> way to get this ball rolling if you have severe arthritis. Forget it. I
> personally am now using Twin Labs Tri-Boron. Most people on this list are
> not of that extreme mindset anyway, since CS is definitely not available
> as
> food.
>
> Daddybob
>



Meggan Gaumer wrote:
Bruce, I was scanning this conversation but am unable to tell if you 
got your answer. my mom is very interested in trying this, so if you 
did get your answer and I missed it somehow, could you possibly 
forward it to me.

thanks
Meg'gan
mlgst...@gmail.com 

 
On 6/13/07, *Bruce Anderson* > wrote:


Greetings all:
Again I turn to the members pf the Silver List for help.
I have gone through all my saved mail and can not find and can not
find
the mail I thought I had saved on Boron/Borax.

From memory, Daddy Bob,  I think said to wet the index finger to the
first joint from the tip, stick it into the borax and lick it off.
I don't remember how often to do this or how long before results.

Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has a
warning: "CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally."
Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic?

Best regards;
Bruce A.







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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[nessie]

Hm:
Well you got me. Maybe someone else  will come to 
the rescue..???

 nessie..
*

nessie wrote:

Well..
  I will try and help a little here.. 1 Teaspoon is equal to 
4.72 gms.. Note that's grams which is 1720 milligrams.



***

 Marshall Dudley wrote:
But that depends on the density. That is for, I am guessing water, 
right?  Borax shows a weight of 1.73 g/cm^3, so in that case it would 
be closer to 2 grams per teaspoon. However borax powder has a good bit 
of air in it, so maybe not.


Boron is only 10.6% of the weight in borax, so 1,000 mg of borax, 
contains only 106 mg of borax, which is only about 3 times high, 
instead of 30 times high.







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Re: RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[gwms624]

Did I miss something about the borax posts?  Why is everyone talking about 
taking borax when boron is so cheap, readily available and already pre-measured 
to the dose you want to take?

Original Message -
From: ransley 
Date: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:25 pm
Subject: RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

> >Slow down the horses there.!
> Do you realise 1/4 tsp is 1000mg.? Hmmm Me thinks 
> quite a large
> dose..??<
> ..
> 
> > Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg. ... How would 
> you measure
> the 30mg that everyone has mentioned? <
> ..
> 
> 30 mgs. of Borax is not 30 mgs. of boron. I'm going on memory, 
> but seems
> like it does take about 1000 mgs. of borax to actually get the needed
> elemental boron. 
> 
> In any case, per my previous post, I've gone way past this. I'm 
> still here
> and feeling better than ever.
> 
> Daddybob.
> 
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RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Max Sanders]

I just read a few of these posts and find it very interesting. Are you talking 
about the "20 Mule Team Borax Natural Laundry Booster"?  Boron may be good for 
one if needed, but is it OK to ingest the Borax product? How do you know what 
else is in it and that it is safe? I always have a box around for the other 
stuff, and it sure doesn't suggest ingesting the material. Sounds as though it 
has helped your condition Daddybob. Really very interesting.  I never knew 
boron was a hard to get element, and had such consequences if deficient.

Maz

ransley  wrote: >OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the 
amount that sticks to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured about
1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too high?<

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6 days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx from it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all over, got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just fine. 

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out. I'll report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single sheapest and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots of things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap, this easy.

Daddybob


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RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[ransley]

>OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured about
1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too high?<

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6 days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx from it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all over, got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just fine. 

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out. I'll report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single sheapest and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots of things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap, this easy.

Daddybob


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RE: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[ransley]

 >Slow down the horses there.!
Do you realise  1/4 tsp is 1000mg.?  Hmmm Me thinks quite a large
dose..??<
..
 
> Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg. ...  How  would you measure
the 30mg that everyone has mentioned? <
..
 
30 mgs. of Borax is not 30 mgs. of boron.  I'm going on memory, but seems
like it does take about 1000 mgs. of borax to actually get the needed
elemental boron. 
 
In any case, per my previous post, I've gone way past this. I'm still here
and feeling better than ever.
 
Daddybob.

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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

nessie wrote:

Well..
  I will try and help a little here.. 1 Teaspoon is equal to 
4.72 gms.. Note that's grams which is 1720 milligrams.
But that depends on the density. That is for, I am guessing water, 
right?  Borax shows a weight of 1.73 g/cm^3, so in that case it would be 
closer to 2 grams per teaspoon. However borax powder has a good bit of 
air in it, so maybe not.


Boron is only 10.6% of the weight in borax, so 1,000 mg of borax, 
contains only 106 mg of borax, which is only about 3 times high, instead 
of 30 times high.


Marshall
  So  1 Teaspoon is 
also equal to   4720 mgms (Milligrams)
   Therefore 1/4 Teaspoon is equal to  4720/4which  
equals approx  1180 Milligrams..

  The recomended dosage was  30mg.. a very small amount..
  Another way to look at it  is to look at some 
pills/supplements you might have , check the physical size
   of the pill and see how many mg that correlates to on the 
label , and that would be ignoring the fillers etc. that they put into 
everything
   to make  them look bigger etc..Might give you some 
perspective on size weight etc..

   nessie..


Marshall Dudley wrote:
OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a 
wet finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it 
measured about 1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 
30 times too high?


Marshall





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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[cking001]

Heh...
Prolly a "pinch" would be more like it...

Chuck
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On 6/18/2007 12:23:24 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com)
wrote:
> OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet
> finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured
> about 1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too
> high?
> 
> Marshall
> 
> nessie wrote:
> > Well not sure exactly, but you took 33 times  the recommended
> > dosage.(1000/30)=   33.3..
> > So you need approx 1/33 of   1/4 tsp.. Don't know how you figure that
> > one out..?
> >  %


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet 
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured 
about 1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too 
high?


Marshall

nessie wrote:
Well not sure exactly, but you took 33 times  the recommended 
dosage.(1000/30)=   33.3..
So you need approx 1/33 of   1/4 tsp.. Don't know how you figure that 
one out..?

   nessie
***
Bonnie wrote:
If you dip you index finger up to the first joint and  then put it 
into a capsule I think that is the amount that I just took.  That is 
the measure that was mentioned here.  Yes, I realize that 1/4 is 
equal to 1000mg.  That is how I take my MSM.  How  would you measure 
the 30mg that everyone has mentioned?


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*From:* nessie 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2007 7:33 PM
*Subject:* CS>20 mule team BORAX

Whoa:
Slow down the horses there.!
Do you realise  1/4 tsp is 1000mg.?  Hmmm Me thinks quite
a large dose..??
nessie..
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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Bonnie]

Thank you.  Much easier to understand and I had not seen this before.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX


I think you are using quite a bit too much.  This article gives a much 
smaller amount which may be easier to measure.


Dan

http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/HF3-3.html

Boron is not officially recognized as an essential mineral, however, it is 
important for the calcium metabolism and, therefore, for healthy bones. In 
a study of postmenopausal women, boron supplementation reduced calcium 
loss by 44% and increased estrogen to the same levels as in women 
receiving estrogen replacement therapy. It can also help with arthritis. A 
therapeutic dose of 9 mg and a maintenance dose of 3 to 6 mg have been 
used. Boron is not normally available as a supplement. Instead borax or 
boric acid is being used, 50 mg of borax contains approximately 6 mg of 
boron and boric acid 8 mg. To measure this amount, dissolve one level 
teaspoon of borax in one quart of water and take a teaspoonful twice daily 
with meals.


Borax and boric acid have very low toxicity, only after taking several 
grams for several months did toxicity symptoms develop. The French diet is 
reported to contain about 36 mg of boron daily. I believe that a similar 
high intake would also be beneficial for those of other nationalities, 
although the exact amount is not critical. A chemistry teacher with severe 
arthritis described that he just put his finger into a box of borax twice 
daily and sucked the finger. He recovered after 3 weeks. I just dip the 
tip of a knife or spoon into borax and mix that with some food or juice.




Bonnie wrote:
Went to Wal-Mart and  got a box and am going to try it.  I have some 
empty gelatin caps and I filled one up, which is about 1/4 tsp. and took 
it. Should I start with it 2x a day?  If this helps get rid of the pain 
in my knees, I will be very glad.


Thanks
Bonnie
New Hampshire
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help



Silver Smith wrote:

Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

SS


This is an interesting article on boron for arthritis.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/glucosamine/boron-arthritis.html

Marshall


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[nessie]

Well not sure exactly, but you took 33 times  the recommended
dosage.(1000/30)=   33.3..
So you need approx 1/33 of   1/4 tsp.. Don't know how you figure that
one out..?
   nessie
***
Bonnie wrote:

  
  
  
  If you dip you index
finger up to the first joint and  then put it into a capsule I think
that is the amount that I just took.  That is the measure that was
mentioned here.  Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg.  That is
how I take my MSM.  How  would you measure the 30mg that everyone has
mentioned?
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
nessie 
To:
silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent:
Friday, June 15, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject:
CS>20 mule team BORAX


Whoa:
Slow down the horses there.!
Do you realise  1/4 tsp is 1000mg.?  Hmmm Me thinks quite a
large dose..??
    nessie..
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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Dan Nave]

I think you are using quite a bit too much.  This article 
gives a much smaller amount which may be easier to measure.


Dan

http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/HF3-3.html

Boron is not officially recognized as an essential mineral, 
however, it is important for the calcium metabolism and, 
therefore, for healthy bones. In a study of postmenopausal 
women, boron supplementation reduced calcium loss by 44% and 
increased estrogen to the same levels as in women receiving 
estrogen replacement therapy. It can also help with 
arthritis. A therapeutic dose of 9 mg and a maintenance dose 
of 3 to 6 mg have been used. Boron is not normally available 
as a supplement. Instead borax or boric acid is being used, 
50 mg of borax contains approximately 6 mg of boron and 
boric acid 8 mg. To measure this amount, dissolve one level 
teaspoon of borax in one quart of water and take a 
teaspoonful twice daily with meals.


Borax and boric acid have very low toxicity, only after 
taking several grams for several months did toxicity 
symptoms develop. The French diet is reported to contain 
about 36 mg of boron daily. I believe that a similar high 
intake would also be beneficial for those of other 
nationalities, although the exact amount is not critical. A 
chemistry teacher with severe arthritis described that he 
just put his finger into a box of borax twice daily and 
sucked the finger. He recovered after 3 weeks. I just dip 
the tip of a knife or spoon into borax and mix that with 
some food or juice.




Bonnie wrote:
Went to Wal-Mart and  got a box and am going to try it.  I have some 
empty gelatin caps and I filled one up, which is about 1/4 tsp. and took 
it. Should I start with it 2x a day?  If this helps get rid of the pain 
in my knees, I will be very glad.


Thanks
Bonnie
New Hampshire
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Silver Smith wrote:

Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

SS


This is an interesting article on boron for arthritis.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/glucosamine/boron-arthritis.html

Marshall


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Bonnie]

If you dip you index finger up to the first joint and  then put it into a 
capsule I think that is the amount that I just took.  That is the measure that 
was mentioned here.  Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg.  That is how I 
take my MSM.  How  would you measure the 30mg that everyone has mentioned?
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:33 PM
  Subject: CS>20 mule team BORAX


  Whoa:
  Slow down the horses there.!
  Do you realise  1/4 tsp is 1000mg.?  Hmmm Me thinks quite a large 
dose..??
  nessie..
  **

  Bonnie wrote: 
Went to Wal-Mart and  got a box and am going to try it.  I have some empty 
gelatin caps and I filled one up, which is about 1/4 tsp. and took it. Should I 
start with it 2x a day?  If this helps get rid of the pain in my knees, I will 
be very glad. 








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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX

[Bonnie]

Went to Wal-Mart and  got a box and am going to try it.  I have some empty 
gelatin caps and I filled one up, which is about 1/4 tsp. and took it. 
Should I start with it 2x a day?  If this helps get rid of the pain in my 
knees, I will be very glad.


Thanks
Bonnie
New Hampshire
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Silver Smith wrote:

Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

SS


This is an interesting article on boron for arthritis.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/glucosamine/boron-arthritis.html

Marshall


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Meggan Gaumer]

Bruce, I was scanning this conversation but am unable to tell if you got
your answer. my mom is very interested in trying this, so if you did get
your answer and I missed it somehow, could you possibly forward it to me.
thanks
Meg'gan
mlgst...@gmail.com


On 6/13/07, Bruce Anderson  wrote:


Greetings all:
Again I turn to the members pf the Silver List for help.
I have gone through all my saved mail and can not find and can not find
the mail I thought I had saved on Boron/Borax.

From memory, Daddy Bob,  I think said to wet the index finger to the
first joint from the tip, stick it into the borax and lick it off.
I don't remember how often to do this or how long before results.

Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has a
warning: "CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally."
Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic?

Best regards;
Bruce A.

Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX Boron in garden

[Rowena]

Yes, apparently the soil does need boron, but in very small amounts.  So it 
is not a great idea to broadcast it all over, as that is too  much.  The 
quantity is hardly any hardly ever.
Rowena

That's interesting because from the previous posts I was thinking it may
be a good idea to dissolve borax in water and spray it over the garden
so that the veggies will come to be rich in boron. But if it burns grass
that may not be such a good idea??
Dennis


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[dd611]

That's interesting because from the previous posts I was thinking it may 
be a good idea to dissolve borax in water and spray it over the garden 
so that the veggies will come to be rich in boron. But if it burns grass 
that may not be such a good idea??

Dennis

Clayton Family wrote:
One thing about the toxicity of boron and miners: the miners at US 
Borax were healthy, and stayed that way, unlike most other types of 
mines. The open pit there is so big it is incredible, and they use 
explosives, so the dust is everywhere, and you breathe it while there. 
Some of the minerals are fibrous, so that is bad, but still the miners 
did not get lung disease- that may be due to it's water solubility. 
The miners are still encouraged to use safe practices, but I did not 
see anyone with a mask on while I was there. Maybe the guys down at 
the bottom in all the dust, but they had sealed cabs in the trucks.


That being said, it is possible to get too much of it, and it can be 
toxic even in the doses one would get if using it to clean everything 
in the home. I remember some of the women that helped me with the mold 
issues said to be careful to use gloves if borax is all you use for 
cleaning ( it does a great job on mold).


I am not sure how persistant it is the the human body, but it can be 
used to kill a lawn weed called "creeping charlie", if applied in the 
spring before it grows much- it can be persistant in the soil and if 
it builds up too much, it can kill the grass. You can't apply it every 
year. That may be a clue.



On Jun 13, 2007, at 9:34 PM, Bruce Anderson wrote:


Greetings all:
Again I turn to the members pf the Silver List for help.
I have gone through all my saved mail and can not find and can not 
find the mail I thought I had saved on Boron/Borax.


From memory, Daddy Bob,  I think said to wet the index finger to the 
first joint from the tip, stick it into the borax and lick it off.

I don't remember how often to do this or how long before results.

Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has 
a warning: "CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid 
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally."

Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic?

Best regards;
Bruce A.




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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Clayton Family]

One thing about the toxicity of boron and miners: the miners at US 
Borax were healthy, and stayed that way, unlike most other types of 
mines. The open pit there is so big it is incredible, and they use 
explosives, so the dust is everywhere, and you breathe it while there. 
Some of the minerals are fibrous, so that is bad, but still the miners 
did not get lung disease- that may be due to it's water solubility. The 
miners are still encouraged to use safe practices, but I did not see 
anyone with a mask on while I was there. Maybe the guys down at the 
bottom in all the dust, but they had sealed cabs in the trucks.


That being said, it is possible to get too much of it, and it can be 
toxic even in the doses one would get if using it to clean everything 
in the home. I remember some of the women that helped me with the mold 
issues said to be careful to use gloves if borax is all you use for 
cleaning ( it does a great job on mold).


I am not sure how persistant it is the the human body, but it can be 
used to kill a lawn weed called "creeping charlie", if applied in the 
spring before it grows much- it can be persistant in the soil and if it 
builds up too much, it can kill the grass. You can't apply it every 
year. That may be a clue.



On Jun 13, 2007, at 9:34 PM, Bruce Anderson wrote:


Greetings all:
Again I turn to the members pf the Silver List for help.
I have gone through all my saved mail and can not find and can not 
find the mail I thought I had saved on Boron/Borax.


From memory, Daddy Bob,  I think said to wet the index finger to the 
first joint from the tip, stick it into the borax and lick it off.

I don't remember how often to do this or how long before results.

Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has a 
warning: "CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid 
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally."

Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic?

Best regards;
Bruce A.




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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Marshall Dudley]

Silver Smith wrote:

Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

SS


This is an interesting article on boron for arthritis.

http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/glucosamine/boron-arthritis.html

Marshall


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Rowena]

I think this is probably cover the rear stuff.  We warned you.  Don't blame 
us.  We told them not to.

Some people will overdo anything.

Do an internet search using words borax Carnarvon arthritis to find and read 
the story of the Australian arthritis/borax discovery and the  boron pill 
saga.

Rowena


Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has a
warning: "CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally."
Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic?

Best regards;
Bruce A.


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Rowena]

When I first started using Borax I did the Hulda Clark thing, using it for 
all cleaning and washing, handwashing, though not bath, as I used Epsom 
salts for that.
Maybe because my skin care is minimal, I found that using it instead of soap 
gave me deep cracks around the sides of my fingernails.  Now that would 
probably amount to overuse, but I wonder whether perhaps it is a bit too 
much of a degreaser for some people?

So I would be more nervous of using it in the bath than swallowing it.  I 
put it in our water container so that after reverse osmosis filtering the 
water gets to absorb borax, a bit of epsom salts, and some MSM.  It's not a 
medicinal level of any, probably, and I don't put them in every time, but at 
least we get them sometimes.

I then made my own soap, and used that for handwashing and discontinued the 
borax, though I still use it for cleaning (with rubber gloves) and the 
dishwasher.  It is not so good for stainless steel in the dishwasher, but 
it's nice to know it is not caustic in the machine.  I hot rinse off the 
plates before putting them in, so the dishwasher is kind of a big rinse and 
dry machine and doesn't get much in the way of food particles and grease.

Rowena



I wonder if bathing in the Borax would be a good alternative for those with 
arthritis, who maybe squeamish about eating it?  Just curious.  Thanks 


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Carl Deb Charter]

 I wonder if bathing in the Borax would be a good alternative for those with 
arthritis, who maybe squeamish about eating it?  Just curious.  Thanks
  - Original Message - 
  From: Silver Smith 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help


  Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

  SS

  > I've used CMO for years now and have reported what it has done for me
  > several times.
  >
  > Now if you really want that relief to go into high gear, get Boron into 
  > your
  > diet. It will do things that CMO won't, and the two together are a one-two
  > punch against arthritis.
  >
  > But to stay on the topic of CS- it was MSM that gave me my first real
  > arthritis relief, but the whole time I took it, I could feel the pain
  > seething underneath like a caged animal, and if I didn't take massive
  > doses
  > of MSM, the animal lashed out. CS is what stopped all that. Just a few 
  > weeks
  > of taking a pint daily of CS stopped all my seething chronic pain back in
  > 2000.
  >
  > When you have been badly damaged by whatever cause of arthritis, no matter
  > how you may rid yourself of the cause, you are left with osteo-arthritis. 
  > That's where CMO and Boron really make a difference.
  >
  > To test this for your self cheap and easy...and I ask anyone reading this
  > not to jump to conclusions and start flaming me about it*...start dipping 
  > a
  > wet fingertip, up to the first joint, into BORAX (yes 20 Mule Team Borax)
  > and lick it off, at least once a day, going up to perhaps 4 times a day 
  > until you get the relief you need. The first thing you may notice is that
  > the finger you use may start to feel better.
  >
  > *Borax is mined out of the ground and is perfectly edible, despite being 
  > sold as a laundry cleaner complete with warnings not to eat it because
  > They
  > (The Powers That Be) don't want you to know how effective it is. TOO much,
  > as in spoonfuls, is poisonous, but what won't kill you if you take TOO 
  > much?
  >
  > If you're squeamish about doing it that way, then get yourself a boron
  > supplement. I will not entertain arguments from
  > non-supplement-get-it-all-from
  -food freaks. You cannot get enough boron
  > that
  > way to get this ball rolling if you have severe arthritis. Forget it. I
  > personally am now using Twin Labs Tri-Boron. Most people on this list are
  > not of that extreme mindset anyway, since CS is definitely not available 
  > as
  > food.
  >
  > Daddybob
  >



  On 6/13/07, Bruce Anderson  wrote: 
Greetings all:
Again I turn to the members pf the Silver List for help.
I have gone through all my saved mail and can not find and can not find 
the mail I thought I had saved on Boron/Borax.

From memory, Daddy Bob,  I think said to wet the index finger to the
first joint from the tip, stick it into the borax and lick it off.
I don't remember how often to do this or how long before results. 

Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has a
warning: "CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally."
Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic? 

Best regards;
Bruce A.


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Re: CS>20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Silver Smith]

Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

SS


I've used CMO for years now and have reported what it has done for me
several times.

Now if you really want that relief to go into high gear, get Boron into
your
diet. It will do things that CMO won't, and the two together are a one-two
punch against arthritis.

But to stay on the topic of CS- it was MSM that gave me my first real
arthritis relief, but the whole time I took it, I could feel the pain
seething underneath like a caged animal, and if I didn't take massive
doses
of MSM, the animal lashed out. CS is what stopped all that. Just a few
weeks
of taking a pint daily of CS stopped all my seething chronic pain back in
2000.

When you have been badly damaged by whatever cause of arthritis, no matter
how you may rid yourself of the cause, you are left with osteo-arthritis.
That's where CMO and Boron really make a difference.

To test this for your self cheap and easy...and I ask anyone reading this
not to jump to conclusions and start flaming me about it*...start dipping
a
wet fingertip, up to the first joint, into BORAX (yes 20 Mule Team Borax)
and lick it off, at least once a day, going up to perhaps 4 times a day
until you get the relief you need. The first thing you may notice is that
the finger you use may start to feel better.

*Borax is mined out of the ground and is perfectly edible, despite being
sold as a laundry cleaner complete with warnings not to eat it because
They
(The Powers That Be) don't want you to know how effective it is. TOO much,
as in spoonfuls, is poisonous, but what won't kill you if you take TOO
much?

If you're squeamish about doing it that way, then get yourself a boron
supplement. I will not entertain arguments from
non-supplement-get-it-all-from-food freaks. You cannot get enough boron
that
way to get this ball rolling if you have severe arthritis. Forget it. I
personally am now using Twin Labs Tri-Boron. Most people on this list are
not of that extreme mindset anyway, since CS is definitely not available
as
food.

Daddybob




On 6/13/07, Bruce Anderson  wrote:


Greetings all:
Again I turn to the members pf the Silver List for help.
I have gone through all my saved mail and can not find and can not find
the mail I thought I had saved on Boron/Borax.

From memory, Daddy Bob,  I think said to wet the index finger to the
first joint from the tip, stick it into the borax and lick it off.
I don't remember how often to do this or how long before results.

Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has a
warning: "CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally."
Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic?

Best regards;
Bruce A.


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