Re: CS>Doctors...
it, find out the odds of success or failure so you can make your own judgment. Sometimes they are right, many times they are dead wrong! There is no substitute for information. That's why I read every message that appears on this list. Del - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... Of course, doctors know everything possible under the sun and every single one of millions of human variations and combinations. Fat chance. Your belief in doctors is infallible and when it's unrealistic, that's their fault. Yea, that'll work...and you aren't evil. Mental illness never made a body sick. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...
With doctors you have to pick and choose. They can do some good things and some very bad things. For instance, a window once fell on my middle finger (yes, that one) just above the top knuckle. The pain was so intense it almost wasn't pain any more. My left hand was pinned by the window so I had quite a struggle getting the window to open with my right hand so I could get out from under it. The finger was gashed clear across and the bone in the tip of the finger was broken in two. Made a fast trip to the emergency room, and the doctor on call did an absolutely great job of sewing the finger back together again (with appropriate local anesthetic). However, weeks went by and the bone refused to knit. The hand specialist I was referred to recommended that I have a pin inserted. He very reasonably explained that I would not be able to bend the knuckle any more. I said no thanks, went home, and started to type on my computer keyboard and play the piano again. Hurt at first, but four months later the finger was as strong as ever - just needed to start using it. The point is, you can consult doctors but make your own determination about whether or not to go ahead with their recommendations - and, based on my experiences, most of the time you do not need to do what they recommend. Another example: many years ago (about twenty?) after a ten mile run, I noticed blood in my urine. Went to the HMO and the docs there insisted on shooting me up with a dye and taking x-rays. I said no thanks, and have been fine ever since. No recurrence. If there had been more than one such event, maybe I would have done as they said, but I wanted confirmation that there was a problem serious enough to warrant such action. Another example: my mother had heart problems in her early eighties. Doctors told her to have bypass surgery. I said nothing because I didn't know anything about that stuff, and a lot of people seemed to do ok with it. She was dead within three months after the surgery due to multiple strokes that left her a vegetable before she died. Turns out many people get strokes after such surgery, but I did not know that then. She would have lived several more years, I believe, if she had ignored the doctors. You need to research what the doctor is telling you before you do it, find out the odds of success or failure so you can make your own judgment. Sometimes they are right, many times they are dead wrong! There is no substitute for information. That's why I read every message that appears on this list. Del - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... Of course, doctors know everything possible under the sun and every single one of millions of human variations and combinations. Fat chance. Your belief in doctors is infallible and when it's unrealistic, that's their fault. Yea, that'll work...and you aren't evil. Mental illness never made a body sick. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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300,000 miles on a good engine rebuild is not unusual with good maintenance. A good engine builder pays closer attention to detail and tolerances than the factory. Some vehicles will do 300k to 500k from the factory. A clutch only wears when starting from a stop, if the driver knows how to drive, what a clutch does and how. I've never worn a clutch out. I have replaced a few, just because it was easy to do with the engine out. I have also re-used some with 300,000 miles on it. The most I've ever put on a car, so far is ~500,000 miles. I bought a good 86 Toyota Pickup body with 542,000 miles, original engine...still running [badly] and put my 78 drive train in it. [rebuilt once, full race tolerances. ] The 78 rusted apart. Still going like new. Ode At 10:43 AM 10/19/2007 -0700, you wrote: Ode, common now..800,000 miles and 3 engines? If you were making the comparison to a plastic surgeon, the analogy would be more believable. :) Ode Coyote wrote: ## I've heard this one a hundred times. Car comes in needing a new clutch, gets new clutch. 1Customer screams about being screwed, but won't listen to driving lessons. Tries to sue the mechanic...sometimes wins because judges know nothing about cars or driving one. Meanwhile, the mechanics identical clutch has out lived 3 engines at 800,000 miles on the car. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:41 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:41 PM
Re: CS>Doctors...
Ode, common now..800,000 miles and 3 engines? If you were making the comparison to a plastic surgeon, the analogy would be more believable. :) Ode Coyote wrote: ## I've heard this one a hundred times. Car comes in needing a new clutch, gets new clutch. 1Customer screams about being screwed, but won't listen to driving lessons. Tries to sue the mechanic...sometimes wins because judges know nothing about cars or driving one. Meanwhile, the mechanics identical clutch has out lived 3 engines at 800,000 miles on the car. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt
Dee wrote: There's another point here which I don't think has been covered yet. This is that patients can be their own worst enemies. i.e. When the doctor says nothing can be done for their cold etc., they insist on anti-biotics or something that they can take home with them! I think that a lot of them probably intuitively know that the doctors are lieing. They just don't realize that the doctor will NOT give them anything to help, although there are plenty of things that will typically help, such as CS, olive leaf extract, oreganol, ozone water, and possibly MMS. They are simply looking in the wrong place for cures. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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When a person approaches a health care provider, or anyone else providing a service, and relinquishes their self-responsibility for acquiring at least some knowledge of the problem they are sealing their fate. If you know your engine is always stalling and the mechanic tells you he's done an evaluation and you're crazy, would you keep bringing your car back to him? ## I've heard this one a hundred times. Car comes in needing a new clutch, gets new clutch. 10,000 miles later, it needs another one. Customer screams about being screwed, but won't listen to driving lessons. Tries to sue the mechanic...sometimes wins because judges know nothing about cars or driving one. Meanwhile, the mechanics identical clutch has out lived 3 engines at 800,000 miles on the car. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...
Of course, doctors know everything possible under the sun and every single one of millions of human variations and combinations. Fat chance. Your belief in doctors is infallible and when it's unrealistic, that's their fault. Yea, that'll work...and you aren't evil. Mental illness never made a body sick. Ode At 02:42 PM 10/16/2007 -0700, you wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt
There's another point here which I don't think has been covered yet. This is that patients can be their own worst enemies. i.e. When the doctor says nothing can be done for their cold etc., they insist on anti-biotics or something that they can take home with them! Our doctor has told us this. Also my friends husband was sooo put out because they wouldn't prescribe statins for him as he is on heart medication. He also was put out because he couldn't have the pneumonia jab and had to be content with just the 'flu jab (!) some people insist on being (mis)treated! Dee ---Original Message--- From: John Plumridge Date: 19/10/2007 03:39:34 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt All true Carol Ann, and nicely put. But anger is the natural emotion felt at perceived injustice. Deception is an example. and the anger has an object, though maybe fuzzy. It shouldn' t be all doctors, and is also a system of political corruption. But that seems almost like all doctors. We do bring our children up with some sense of understanding that people have different roles, and in that we put trust if possible. With medicine it may be that we are not necessarily lied to, and doctors aren't researchers, merely robots. The problems are immense, but there is plenty of evidence from doctors themselves.
Re: CS>Doctors...
Very good post John. Dee ---Original Message--- From: John Plumridge Date: 19/10/2007 02:20:17 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... OK, if they know they are lying, but consider that there are many ailments that don't amount to a diagnosis of some syndrome or known pathology. ALso, in the early stages, depending how a patient presents themsleves, and with no clear indications, why fear the worst, when things do spontaneously improve - or should do. Like, I somethimes don't feel 100%. But as I never go to the doctor for anything, unless I need surgery to remove a bullet or something, or to witness my concussion after slipping on a supermarket floor (ho ho), I say to myself, look here somehting is wrong, you are pushing yourself and living unhealthily. LIke I rest before I get bad flu, and go for a walk in the fresh air if I've been too sedentary.
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
How beautiful. --On 17 October 2007 19:01:26 -0700 Carol Ann wrote: Kurt - p.s. Enjoy Life. Sometimes people can get so absolutely preoccupied and caught up in inconsequential psycho dramas to the exclusion of all else ( even illness is not excluded) that they forget some of important things that make less than desirable health more bearable. Carol Ann wrote: Hey there, speak for thee...and not for we.[Image: "05.gif"] I dunno know about thee, I've been going left when everyone else was going right since I was but a wee babeor so my daddy used to tell me up until the day he died. Society overall, has not yet demonstrated to me why I should do an about face any time soon. Kurt Milkowski wrote: Hey Carol, History just keeps repeating itself. Its really kind of funny when you think about it. We get all knids of new toys to play with but we don't get any smarter do we? Kurt Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors, EFA Profile list and Example
within the normal range is not the ideal range. Some (Omega's) are low throughout the American population, as a whole. JOhn --On 17 October 2007 09:02:15 -0500 CWFugitt wrote: Morning Faith, At 07:26 AM 10/17/2007, you wrote: What's an EFA profile? Don't feel bad, most doctors do not know. Essential Fatty Acid Profile. There are about 29 items on the list. Mine had to go to the Mayo Clinic. Local Blood Labs cannot usually do it. At age 64, every single item was within the normal range. You can see one here. ( Mine ) http://www.fugitt.com/blood/efa_wf.jpg Try to make it larger with your browser, the copy quality is not good, but it can be read. Not sure what all it proves. Maybe it proves one does not have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peeling. Wayne "Many people would sooner die than think. In fact they do. http://www.miraclemineral.org/ Silver file Area... http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/ MDI Subscribe Email mailto:mdi_news-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt
All true Carol Ann, and nicely put. But anger is the natural emotion felt at perceived injustice. Deception is an example. and the anger has an object, though maybe fuzzy. It shouldn' t be all doctors, and is also a system of political corruption. But that seems almost like all doctors. We do bring our children up with some sense of understanding that people have different roles, and in that we put trust if possible. With medicine it may be that we are not necessarily lied to, and doctors aren't researchers, merely robots. The problems are immense, but there is plenty of evidence from doctors themselves. As someone put it earlier, med school has few lecturers, but teachers of a syllabus. Critical thinking is largely lacking. JOhn. --On 17 October 2007 06:25:01 -0700 Carol Ann wrote: Hey Kurt ~ Re your sis. Forget mistakes. Forget failures. Forget everything except what you're going to do now and do it. ;) Ya know, of course, that by now, what you are experiencing is a learning process which is sometimes very painful but very applicable to the old saying...what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. The problems you mention are universal, no need to take it personally on the chin in silence or turn the other cheek. Our current system is merely a mirror of societies deeply entrenched belief systems; what people acquiesce to by letting govt,media, perceived gurus (doc's included) demonstrates/mirrors how people have allowed themselves to be used. There has always been way to much complacency...the you do it for me because I don't want to be responsible mentality. Others become the ultimate teachers, bosses, healers. Someone, just tell me what to do mentality! Boils down to ideological worship and foolishness. Is it frustrating. Absolutely. Unfortunately, humans need to be tricked, lied to and deceived before they can become aware. Those that become aware are the better for it. Not to hijack the thread in any way, but I will make a quick reference for to the current state of affairs re the Iraq War as an analogy. People allowed the progression of national affairs in this regard because of complacency, lack of interest, naivety, acquiescence of their voting power, etc, etc. Like it or not..what the medical professions and govt are accused of doing is really reflecting complacency and heinous archaic common beliefs and projecting the drama back. ...which means, for the most part, in many ways, those choosing to remain in acceptance and un-informed, are essentially no better than the accused. "Undirected" anger is imvho just a waste of exceptional and often, very productive energy. Kurt Milkowski wrote: Hey Carol, > I do what I can to let others know. I should probably let you know that my sister belongs to this group of quacks known as md's. Whose fault is it for trusting doctors? Mine. Having a sister for an md I >thought I had and in. All pretty funny that I had to suffer for such a long time before waking up. I might seem a bit angry to some about it, and I am. The anger however is mostly at myself for letting myself be decieved. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Doctors are no more evil or good based solely upon their profession than say...your local pastor, or service engineer be they mechanics or plumbers. More so when the individual seeking advice is totally ignorant about the service sought. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In the past five or so years, all the doctors I have visited, except one, has been fair enough. A lot depends on my attitude, and they sense I have little patience for arrogance or 'lack of disclosure'. THey could lose me (it's in my eye's - non-dependency) so they do their best within the constraints to advise. I treat them respectfully as consultants, but I am the decision-maker. My intelligence must be addressed. The one idiot was a dermatologist (seeing my little boy) who pulled mocking faces when my wife reported trials of homeopathy- as if she were a fool to try: he wore a bow tie. He poo pooed everything we were attempting ( mattresses, carpets/flooring etc, heat regulation) We didn't bother with his drugs. SHortly after I diagnosed leaky gut, and had this conformed by a private consultant. Could I blame the UK hospital doctors? not really - it is all political. THree years later, the same hospital kindly informs me 'a lot of child eczema is gut-related'). Then they offered loads of useless blood/allergy tests. THe results came, and they couldn't tell me whether the 'highs' were high compared to the general population or to eczema children. You see, all eczema children show elevated scores across the whole range. THis is a symptom, and the food is not the cause (multiple food intolerances). IN fact you can predict that the higher the protein content the greater the intolerance, taking into account the degree to which the protein is broken down to amino acids (e.g fermented soya products, pulses, parmesan as opposed to non-matured cheese). ALso, they don't test the food we actually eat. If they test wheat as bread, which bread? Which flour? And so forth. Conclusion: beware of DOctors with bow-ties. JOhn --On 16 October 2007 21:59:38 -0400 Dianne France wrote: The main doctor I see is very open minded about my ideals of how I want to be treated for problems I go in for and tries hard to work with me. She will suggest things and listens to what I say. We don't always agree with what I need but she treats my decisions with respect. That is not always the experience I have had with doctors but this one is different. I feel fortunate to have her for a doctor. Dianne - Original Message - From: faith gagne To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... I am really fed up with this conversation. I have 3 or 4 extremely good and wonderrful doctors who have not only helped me immeasurably over and over again, but who I have come to consider kind, loving and caring friend. All this doctor-bashing is really getting to me. I like and admire professional people and If you do not like or trust doctors that is your problem. Faith - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007
Re: CS>Doctors...
This is an important point I think , Nancy. I could expand briefly: limited knowledge of biochemical processes and nutrition has led to spurious conclusions, fashions and so on. Many of these were taken up and publicised by a competitive food industry (processed foods). MOreover, processed food, which has increased beyond belief, presents a complicated picture. And, quality of produce has deteriorated along with soils. JOhn --On 16 October 2007 18:32:11 -0700 Tad Winiecki wrote: My experience is that doctors actually don't know what is wrong when the cause of the problem is nutritional. They are not taught nutrition in medical school. So they can tell you straight-faced that you have a disease whose cause is unknown and it cannot be cured but they can give you drugs to treat the symptoms or surgery. That is what they told me about my bursitis and also my thumb/tendon problem I had as a nursing mother (both just needing more calcium and magnesium in a absorbable form). My doctor sister said, "But that's just one doctor that didn't know" but actually I have met 4 other women who had the same problem when nursing and were told the same lies, and one had the scars from the unnecessary surgery. It takes a special doctor to have knowledge of nutrition, I haven't seen one yet. My sister does try some, and will try to help people correct their diets. Yes, my youngest sister is a doctor and just visited along with my other 3 siblings. She said she was afraid to open her mouth about her medical views since I'm such an alternative nutcase (not her words) and I act so superior. Then she proceeded to say she was worried I would die of something like appendicitis because I wouldn't seek the attention of a doctor. Talk about acting superior. I asked her why she couldn't test people for their mineral deficiencies and treat their nutritional diseases, and she said the insurance company would not pay for the tests, or there were no tests for some. We parted still at an empasse. Nancy On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Kurt Milkowski wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...
This conversation has been a discussion , I thought. Why dislike it? ALso, Faith, admiring people because they are professionals is risky. Of course all doctors shouldn't be thought of in the same way, which means criticism, and also of the medical system - which is what is really at issue here, is valid and necessary by public and doctors alike. One example DOctor Ron PAul, who criticises the medical system - particularly the corruptive government involvement in that system. JOhn --On 16 October 2007 19:40:13 -0400 faith gagne wrote: I am really fed up with this conversation. I have 3 or 4 extremely good and wonderrful doctors who have not only helped me immeasurably over and over again, but who I have come to consider kind, loving and caring friend. All this doctor-bashing is really getting to me. I like and admire professional people and If you do not like or trust doctors that is your problem. Faith - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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OK, if they know they are lying, but consider that there are many ailments that don't amount to a diagnosis of some syndrome or known pathology. ALso, in the early stages, depending how a patient presents themsleves, and with no clear indications, why fear the worst, when things do spontaneously improve - or should do. Like, I somethimes don't feel 100%. But as I never go to the doctor for anything, unless I need surgery to remove a bullet or something, or to witness my concussion after slipping on a supermarket floor (ho ho), I say to myself, look here somehting is wrong, you are pushing yourself and living unhealthily. LIke I rest before I get bad flu, and go for a walk in the fresh air if I've been too sedentary. Those nasty symptoms, of being run down, could be the beginning of cancer, or ME, muscle atrophy, bone deterioration, myoinfarction etc. And sure, I know myself I've had them all and cured them at the outset. Also, it's worth considering that doctors do value the placebo effect, tell a patient there is nothing wrong, is known to have a benign effect a lot of the time - reassurance. It helps people to get over minor (or early) stage symptoms. I don't think all doctors think their patients are imagining symptoms all the time...like the symptoms of old age are widespread, but non-specific. Well, that's to expand understanding of the big picture. But I don't forget, doctors can be ruthless, corrupt, nasty, petty, overbearing, vain, stupid, arrogant, and as you say, evil. But not all of them all the time. The main problem is medicine as an industry. Same with herbalism, reiki, housebuilding, convenience food, spiritual guides that accost you in your living room... you name it. But getting a haircut isn't so bad, unless you you go to Sweeny Todd (who worked for a doctor, I think). JOhn --On 16 October 2007 14:42:08 -0700 Kurt Milkowski wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
That being the case - bible references - Ignorance regarding the terminology and interpretation of the word "Witch" whether applied to modern or archaic is bliss. Simon Jester wrote: On 10/17/2007 Carol Ann wrote: Get a good concordance and look up the biblical word(s) used for 'witches' - you'll find that they fit the modern 'doctor' to a 't'... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
On 10/17/2007 Carol Ann wrote: I got curious about the Apollo comment because I never read that before. Anyway, this is one of the references I found and thought you might enjoy it. It made me laugh. Just substitute modern terminology, for example, gods of prophecy/priests/ = doctors; temple/abaton =- hospitals/nursing/hospice/doctors offices. Visions/dreams - big pharma tv commercials; offerings; health ins/medicade; etc. etc. Things haven't changed muchhave they. :) Get a good concordance and look up the biblical word(s) used for 'witches' - you'll find that they fit the modern 'doctor' to a 't'... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
Kurt - p.s. Enjoy Life. Sometimes people can get so absolutely preoccupied and caught up in inconsequential psycho dramas to the exclusion of all else ( even illness is not excluded) that they forget some of important things that make less than desirable health more bearable. Carol Ann wrote: Hey there, speak for thee...and not for we. I dunno know about thee, I've been going left when everyone else was going right since I was but a wee babeor so my daddy used to tell me up until the day he died. Society overall, has not yet demonstrated to me why I should do an about face any time soon. Kurt Milkowski wrote: Hey Carol, History just keeps repeating itself. Its really kind of funny when you think about it. We get all knids of new toys to play with but we don't get any smarter do we? Kurt Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
Well I've always kind of been going against the grain, swimming upstream. Now the waters just running a little faster, hope I don't drown. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Hey there, speak for thee...and not for we. I dunno know about thee, I've been going left when everyone else was going right since I was but a wee babeor so my daddy used to tell me up until the day he died. Society overall, has not yet demonstrated to me why I should do an about face any time soon. Kurt Milkowski wrote:Hey Carol, History just keeps repeating itself. Its really kind of funny when you think about it. We get all knids of new toys to play with but we don't get any smarter do we? Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Hi Kurt, I got curious about the Apollo comment because I never read that before. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
Hey there, speak for thee...and not for we. I dunno know about thee, I've been going left when everyone else was going right since I was but a wee babeor so my daddy used to tell me up until the day he died. Society overall, has not yet demonstrated to me why I should do an about face any time soon. Kurt Milkowski wrote: Hey Carol, History just keeps repeating itself. Its really kind of funny when you think about it. We get all knids of new toys to play with but we don't get any smarter do we? Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Hi Kurt, I got curious about the Apollo comment because I never read that before. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
Hey Carol, History just keeps repeating itself. Its really kind of funny when you think about it. We get all knids of new toys to play with but we don't get any smarter do we? Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Hi Kurt, I got curious about the Apollo comment because I never read that before. Anyway, this is one of the references I found and thought you might enjoy it. It made me laugh. Just substitute modern terminology, for example, gods of prophecy/priests/ = doctors; temple/abaton =- hospitals/nursing/hospice/doctors offices. Visions/dreams - big pharma tv commercials; offerings; health ins/medicade; etc. etc. Things haven't changed muchhave they. :) "In the temple of Artemis, sister of Apollo, god of prophecy, patients would pray and make offerings for aid. The most important building, however, was the abaton. After making offerings to the gods, patients were ordered to sleep in the abaton and not to open their eyes under any circumstances. During the night Asclepius, his daughters, and his priests would visit patients in turn. Asclepius was believed to examine each patient before applying remedies, medicines made of natural ingredients. Some patients reported that Asclepius had sent snakes to lick their wounds clean. When the patients woke the next morning, they would often declare themselves totally cured. Even patients suffering from blindness or other seemingly incurable conditions reported success. The priests would also prescribe treatments and regimes based on a patient's visions or dreams while asleep. Patients who had been cured left offerings of money or inscribed tablets detailing their treatment at the temples. Success may have been more to do with the physical regime or the practical treatments devised by the priests, but belief in the healing powers of Asclepius also had a positive effect. Kurt Milkowski wrote:Hey Carol, >I feel bad for these people having been brainwashed. >I know its the hippocratic oath, the oath was origionally made to the god >appolo. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Question.What do you think about the millions of people who go to doctors with mysterious complaints. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hi Kurt, I got curious about the Apollo comment because I never read that before. Anyway, this is one of the references I found and thought you might enjoy it. It made me laugh. Just substitute modern terminology, for example, gods of prophecy/priests/ = doctors; temple/abaton =- hospitals/nursing/hospice/doctors offices. Visions/dreams - big pharma tv commercials; offerings; health ins/medicade; etc. etc. Things haven't changed muchhave they. :) "In the temple of Artemis, sister of Apollo, god of prophecy, patients would pray and make offerings for aid. The most important building, however, was the abaton. After making offerings to the gods, patients were ordered to sleep in the abaton and not to open their eyes under any circumstances. During the night Asclepius, his daughters, and his priests would visit patients in turn. Asclepius was believed to examine each patient before applying remedies, medicines made of natural ingredients. Some patients reported that Asclepius had sent snakes to lick their wounds clean. When the patients woke the next morning, they would often declare themselves totally cured. Even patients suffering from blindness or other seemingly incurable conditions reported success. The priests would also prescribe treatments and regimes based on a patient's visions or dreams while asleep. Patients who had been cured left offerings of money or inscribed tablets detailing their treatment at the temples. Success may have been more to do with the physical regime or the practical treatments devised by the priests, but belief in the healing powers of Asclepius also had a positive effect. Kurt Milkowski wrote: Hey Carol, >I feel bad for these people having been brainwashed. >I know its the hippocratic oath, the oath was origionally made to the god >appolo. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Question.What do you think about the millions of people who go to doctors with mysterious complaints. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hey Carol, I feel bad for these people having been brainwashed. I was one of them, then I woke up. Unfortunately we live in a greedy, sick world. I know its the hippocratic oath, the oath was origionally made to the god appolo. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Question.What do you think about the millions of people who go to doctors with mysterious complaints. They're given a RX because the doctor really dosen't have a definitive diagnosis and is taking their best shot with a drug that they believe might help. The patient has the RX filled and never bothers to read the inserts. When bad reactions happen or their conditions continue worsen or morph and their health deteriorates, they claim to be mystified. So the doc prescribes another RX and the cycle continues. Do you see them as individuals who have a certain amount of responsibility for their own health or should doctors solely shoulder the blame. btw...its not the Apollo oath, its the Hippocratic oath. :) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_today.html Kurt Milkowski wrote:Hey Carol, Again, when you realize the oath the doctors take is to the greek gos of destruction, apollo, you may think twice. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hey Paula, Sure post away. I went to the doctor, was of no use at all, just went alot. Kurt Paula Perry wrote: Kurt, I was reading an article just this morning posted on Rense about drugs. Some of the drugs they were talking about in the article actually caused a drug indused Parkinson's Disease and other diseases. I will post the article if you want to read it. You did say that you used a lot of md doctoring. Paula - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] Hey Carol, Again, when you realize the oath the doctors take is to the greek gos of destruction, apollo, you may think twice. Been through a fair share of surgeries and hospitilazations with my family, not a whole bunch of fun. Do I give the credit to any humans for the successful outcomes of these invasive procedures, absolutely not, God gets that. Now that I have realized that the cause of the problems was due to the vaccines these "wonderful" people have stuck in our asses, I do what I can to let others know. I should probably let you know that my sister belongs to this group of quacks known as md's. I will also tell you that after being run through the mill be these "caring" professonals, I had started to develope parkinsons about a year and a half ago. I can tell you also that as of now I don't have parkinsons at the moment, again I give the credit to God, that I'm not in the same shape as Michael J. Fox is right about now. Whose fault is it for trusting doctors? Mine. Having a sister for an md I thought I had and in. All pretty funny that I had to suffer for such a long time before waking up. I might seem a bit angry to some about it, and I am. The anger however is mostly at myself for letting myself be decieved. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Doctors are no more evil or good based solely upon their profession than say...your local pastor, or service engineer be they mechanics or plumbers. More so when the individual seeking advice is totally ignorant about the service sought. Doctors are but mere mortals, human beings although I have met my share of those who believe otherwise. With those gods, I've gone 10 rounds sometimes. The simple fact is that somme are more or less honest than others. About 3 years ago my son and I sat before an anesthesiologist who steadfastly proclaimed that there were absolutely no dangers whatsoever associated with general anesthesia. My son needed an operation. Did the doc have his way.absolutely not because the operation did not require a general. The meeting was scheduled because I objected from the get go..I knew a general was not necessary but he would have scheduled it as a matter or routine. As I sat assessing him, I concluded that he was lying, and it didn't take but a few minutes before he knew, that I knew. Did he say this because he was dishonest, truly believed what he said, inexperienced, or just a demented idiot? Each person must do their own evaluation when they place their lives in another's hands. To this day I will be eternally grateful to the surgeon who sewed four fingers back of one of my sons who would have otherwise lost them due to a water skiing accident. And then there's the surgeon who fixed another sons fibula that had completely severed in a football game. My neice will soon be attending Med School. She calls the witch doctor, as she fondly calls me, to see if I have any Echanesia on hand when she comes down with a cold. And its usually because she runs out. Does she know about colloidal silver. Absolutely. When she attends med school, will they attempt to brain wash her. Absolutely. The primary difference between her and the anesthesia guy will be that integrity and honesty cannot be bought or sold. When a person approaches a health care provider, or anyone else providing a service, and relinquishes their self-responsibility for acquiring at least some knowledge of the problem they are sealing their fate. If you know your engine is always stalling and the mechanic tells you he's done an evaluation and you're crazy, would you keep bringing your car back to him? Kurt Milkowski wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt
Hey Carol, What I am doing now is this, trying to give some folks information. As you know most don't like the truth, the truth is uncomfortable. Waking up is hard to do, Niel Sedaka could rewrite a good song there. That has been my job for the last year and a half. The more we get to wake up the better we will be when the shit hits the fan. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Hey Kurt ~ Re your sis. Forget mistakes. Forget failures. Forget everything except what you're going to do now and do it. ;) Ya know, of course, that by now, what you are experiencing is a learning process which is sometimes very painful but very applicable to the old saying...what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. The problems you mention are universal, no need to take it personally on the chin in silence or turn the other cheek. Our current system is merely a mirror of societies deeply entrenched belief systems; what people acquiesce to by letting govt,media, perceived gurus (doc's included) demonstrates/mirrors how people have allowed themselves to be used. There has always been way to much complacency...the you do it for me because I don't want to be responsible mentality. Others become the ultimate teachers, bosses, healers. Someone, just tell me what to do mentality! Boils down to ideological worship and foolishness. Is it frustrating. Absolutely. Unfortunately, humans need to be tricked, lied to and deceived before they can become aware. Those that become aware are the better for it. Not to hijack the thread in any way, but I will make a quick reference for to the current state of affairs re the Iraq War as an analogy. People allowed the progression of national affairs in this regard because of complacency, lack of interest, naivety, acquiescence of their voting power, etc, etc. Like it or not..what the medical professions and govt are accused of doing is really reflecting complacency and heinous archaic common beliefs and projecting the drama back. ...which means, for the most part, in many ways, those choosing to remain in acceptance and un-informed, are essentially no better than the accused. "Undirected" anger is imvho just a waste of exceptional and often, very productive energy. Kurt Milkowski wrote:Hey Carol, > I do what I can to let others know. >I should probably let you know that my sister belongs to this group of quacks known as md's. >Whose fault is it for trusting doctors? Mine. Having a sister for an md I >thought I had and in. All pretty funny that I had to suffer for such a long time before waking up. I might seem a bit angry to some about it, and I am. The anger however is mostly at myself for letting myself be decieved. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Doctors are no more evil or good based solely upon their profession than say...your local pastor, or service engineer be they mechanics or plumbers. More so when the individual seeking advice is totally ignorant about the service sought. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
Kurt ~ Question.What do you think about the millions of people who go to doctors with mysterious complaints. They're given a RX because the doctor really dosen't have a definitive diagnosis and is taking their best shot with a drug that they believe might help. The patient has the RX filled and never bothers to read the inserts. When bad reactions happen or their conditions continue worsen or morph and their health deteriorates, they claim to be mystified. So the doc prescribes another RX and the cycle continues. Do you see them as individuals who have a certain amount of responsibility for their own health or should doctors solely shoulder the blame. btw...its not the Apollo oath, its the Hippocratic oath. :) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_today.html Kurt Milkowski wrote: Hey Carol, Again, when you realize the oath the doctors take is to the greek gos of destruction, apollo, you may think twice. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt
Hey Kurt ~ Re your sis. Forget mistakes. Forget failures. Forget everything except what you're going to do now and do it. ;) Ya know, of course, that by now, what you are experiencing is a learning process which is sometimes very painful but very applicable to the old saying...what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. The problems you mention are universal, no need to take it personally on the chin in silence or turn the other cheek. Our current system is merely a mirror of societies deeply entrenched belief systems; what people acquiesce to by letting govt,media, perceived gurus (doc's included) demonstrates/mirrors how people have allowed themselves to be used. There has always been way to much complacency...the you do it for me because I don't want to be responsible mentality. Others become the ultimate teachers, bosses, healers. Someone, just tell me what to do mentality! Boils down to ideological worship and foolishness. Is it frustrating. Absolutely. Unfortunately, humans need to be tricked, lied to and deceived before they can become aware. Those that become aware are the better for it. Not to hijack the thread in any way, but I will make a quick reference for to the current state of affairs re the Iraq War as an analogy. People allowed the progression of national affairs in this regard because of complacency, lack of interest, naivety, acquiescence of their voting power, etc, etc. Like it or not..what the medical professions and govt are accused of doing is really reflecting complacency and heinous archaic common beliefs and projecting the drama back. ...which means, for the most part, in many ways, those choosing to remain in acceptance and un-informed, are essentially no better than the accused. "Undirected" anger is imvho just a waste of exceptional and often, very productive energy. Kurt Milkowski wrote: Hey Carol, > I do what I can to let others know. >I should probably let you know that my sister belongs to this group of quacks known as md's. >Whose fault is it for trusting doctors? Mine. Having a sister for an md I >thought I had and in. All pretty funny that I had to suffer for such a long time before waking up. I might seem a bit angry to some about it, and I am. The anger however is mostly at myself for letting myself be decieved. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Doctors are no more evil or good based solely upon their profession than say...your local pastor, or service engineer be they mechanics or plumbers. More so when the individual seeking advice is totally ignorant about the service sought. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Not a bad idea Wayne, from one silly carpenter to a goofy ole' technician. Kurt CWFugitt wrote: Morning Kurt, >>At 06:31 AM 10/17/2007, you wrote: > First realize the these "wonderful" doctors make an oath to apollo, the > greek god of destruction. I am only a goofy old technician and my first rule is "Do thy patient no harm". I guess we need to print up a few thousand of these oaths that doctors take and scatter them around the shopping centers and the doctors office Or cram a few down their throats. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
Kurt, I was reading an article just this morning posted on Rense about drugs. Some of the drugs they were talking about in the article actually caused a drug indused Parkinson's Disease and other diseases. I will post the article if you want to read it. You did say that you used a lot of md doctoring. Paula - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] Hey Carol, Again, when you realize the oath the doctors take is to the greek gos of destruction, apollo, you may think twice. Been through a fair share of surgeries and hospitilazations with my family, not a whole bunch of fun. Do I give the credit to any humans for the successful outcomes of these invasive procedures, absolutely not, God gets that. Now that I have realized that the cause of the problems was due to the vaccines these "wonderful" people have stuck in our asses, I do what I can to let others know. I should probably let you know that my sister belongs to this group of quacks known as md's. I will also tell you that after being run through the mill be these "caring" professonals, I had started to develope parkinsons about a year and a half ago. I can tell you also that as of now I don't have parkinsons at the moment, again I give the credit to God, that I'm not in the same shape as Michael J. Fox is right about now. Whose fault is it for trusting doctors? Mine. Having a sister for an md I thought I had and in. All pretty funny that I had to suffer for such a long time before waking up. I might seem a bit angry to some about it, and I am. The anger however is mostly at myself for letting myself be decieved. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Doctors are no more evil or good based solely upon their profession than say...your local pastor, or service engineer be they mechanics or plumbers. More so when the individual seeking advice is totally ignorant about the service sought. Doctors are but mere mortals, human beings although I have met my share of those who believe otherwise. With those gods, I've gone 10 rounds sometimes. The simple fact is that somme are more or less honest than others. About 3 years ago my son and I sat before an anesthesiologist who steadfastly proclaimed that there were absolutely no dangers whatsoever associated with general anesthesia. My son needed an operation. Did the doc have his way.absolutely not because the operation did not require a general. The meeting was scheduled because I objected from the get go..I knew a general was not necessary but he would have scheduled it as a matter or routine. As I sat assessing him, I concluded that he was lying, and it didn't take but a few minutes before he knew, that I knew. Did he say this because he was dishonest, truly believed what he said, inexperienced, or just a demented idiot? Each person must do their own evaluation when they place their lives in another's hands. To this day I will be eternally grateful to the surgeon who sewed four fingers back of one of my sons who would have otherwise lost them due to a water skiing accident. And then there's the surgeon who fixed another sons fibula that had completely severed in a football game. My neice will soon be attending Med School. She calls the witch doctor, as she fondly calls me, to see if I have any Echanesia on hand when she comes down with a cold. And its usually because she runs out. Does she know about colloidal silver. Absolutely. When she attends med school, will they attempt to brain wash her. Absolutely. The primary difference between her and the anesthesia guy will be that integrity and honesty cannot be bought or sold. When a person approaches a health care provider, or anyone else providing a service, and relinquishes their self-responsibility for acquiring at least some knowledge of the problem they are sealing their fate. If you know your engine is always stalling and the mechanic tells you he's done an evaluation and you're crazy, would you keep bringing your car back to him? Kurt Milkowski wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swo
Re: CS>Doctors, The good, the Bad, and the ugly
What's an EFA profile? Faith - Original Message - From: CWFugitt To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: CS>Doctors, The good, the Bad, and the ugly Evening Faith, >>At 06:40 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: I am really fed up with this conversation. I always hate to disagree with you, but sometimes, I have to. Just a little anyway. I have 3 or 4 extremely good and wonderrful doctors who have not only helped me immeasurably over and over again, but who I have come to consider kind, loving and caring friend. They can be all that for sure. I do not see how that makes them a good doctor. Being a doctor is not a mickey mouse undertaking. I have a few I like, I am very nice to them, and often take them a gift. Finally, I have some trained to my way of thinking, at least when dealing with me. This does not mean I trust them with my life or even value their opinion, at times. All this doctor-bashing is really getting to me. I like and admire professional people and If you do not like or trust doctors that is your problem. Most of it is totally justified. No doubt some missed the statement, that... "Doctors should be suing the medical schools for not getting the education they pay for".That was made by an atomic bomb scientist, 96 years old, I think. Many pages have been torn out of their textbooks. Some people on the faculty of the medical colleges cannot lecture to the students, all they can do is teach the assigned subjects, This was true of one simply because of one statement he made. It is no surprise that "most" are idiots. If you find one you trust, rest assured there are 999 others that should be digging ditches. One old family friend and doctor made the statement, . "If the only people that came into my office needed to see a doctor, I would have to get another job". It is hard to say too much bad about them, and somewhat hard to say anything good about them. I would make you a bet give a blood report to any of them, then send it to any one of the 100 on our different lists, ( me included ) and see who tells you the most valuable things. What does he do ? Circle one thing that is high and one more that is low. Does he say anything about the items that are near the low normal extreme or the items that are near the high normal extremes? I have about decided that most blood reports are frauds anyway, as they are not based on "Any Scientific" Normals or Standards. Of course you knew that. When I had my EFA profile done, the doctor and nurse had been in the business for 28 years. Neither had ever seen an EFA profile before. One great doctors says this is the greatest diagnostic tool available to any doctor. Enough said. Wayne =
Re: CS>Doctors...
Morning Kurt, >>At 06:31 AM 10/17/2007, you wrote: First realize the these "wonderful" doctors make an oath to apollo, the greek god of destruction. I am only a goofy old technician and my first rule is "Do thy patient no harm". I guess we need to print up a few thousand of these oaths that doctors take and scatter them around the shopping centers and the doctors office Or cram a few down their throats. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...
Sorry you are fed up with this conversation, unfortunately the truth is very unpopular. First realize the these "wonderful" doctors make an oath to apollo, the greek god of destruction. It is not only my problem, it is the problem with amerika today.If you find the truth uncomfortable, delete. Kurt faith gagne wrote: I am really fed up with this conversation. I have 3 or 4 extremely good and wonderrful doctors who have not only helped me immeasurably over and over again, but who I have come to consider kind, loving and caring friend. All this doctor-bashing is really getting to me. I like and admire professional people and If you do not like or trust doctors that is your problem. Faith - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode >On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: >> >>Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make >>a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," >>"nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely >>unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol]
Hey Carol, Again, when you realize the oath the doctors take is to the greek gos of destruction, apollo, you may think twice. Been through a fair share of surgeries and hospitilazations with my family, not a whole bunch of fun. Do I give the credit to any humans for the successful outcomes of these invasive procedures, absolutely not, God gets that. Now that I have realized that the cause of the problems was due to the vaccines these "wonderful" people have stuck in our asses, I do what I can to let others know. I should probably let you know that my sister belongs to this group of quacks known as md's. I will also tell you that after being run through the mill be these "caring" professonals, I had started to develope parkinsons about a year and a half ago. I can tell you also that as of now I don't have parkinsons at the moment, again I give the credit to God, that I'm not in the same shape as Michael J. Fox is right about now. Whose fault is it for trusting doctors? Mine. Having a sister for an md I thought I had and in. All pretty funny that I had to suffer for such a long time before waking up. I might seem a bit angry to some about it, and I am. The anger however is mostly at myself for letting myself be decieved. Kurt Carol Ann wrote: Kurt ~ Doctors are no more evil or good based solely upon their profession than say...your local pastor, or service engineer be they mechanics or plumbers. More so when the individual seeking advice is totally ignorant about the service sought. Doctors are but mere mortals, human beings although I have met my share of those who believe otherwise. With those gods, I've gone 10 rounds sometimes. The simple fact is that somme are more or less honest than others. About 3 years ago my son and I sat before an anesthesiologist who steadfastly proclaimed that there were absolutely no dangers whatsoever associated with general anesthesia. My son needed an operation. Did the doc have his way.absolutely not because the operation did not require a general. The meeting was scheduled because I objected from the get go..I knew a general was not necessary but he would have scheduled it as a matter or routine. As I sat assessing him, I concluded that he was lying, and it didn't take but a few minutes before he knew, that I knew. Did he say this because he was dishonest, truly believed what he said, inexperienced, or just a demented idiot? Each person must do their own evaluation when they place their lives in another's hands. To this day I will be eternally grateful to the surgeon who sewed four fingers back of one of my sons who would have otherwise lost them due to a water skiing accident. And then there's the surgeon who fixed another sons fibula that had completely severed in a football game. My neice will soon be attending Med School. She calls the witch doctor, as she fondly calls me, to see if I have any Echanesia on hand when she comes down with a cold. And its usually because she runs out. Does she know about colloidal silver. Absolutely. When she attends med school, will they attempt to brain wash her. Absolutely. The primary difference between her and the anesthesia guy will be that integrity and honesty cannot be bought or sold. When a person approaches a health care provider, or anyone else providing a service, and relinquishes their self-responsibility for acquiring at least some knowledge of the problem they are sealing their fate. If you know your engine is always stalling and the mechanic tells you he's done an evaluation and you're crazy, would you keep bringing your car back to him? Kurt Milkowski wrote:When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
Re: CS>Doctors...
I am going to bring this back on topic, I hope! CS/EIS is free, or nearly so, helps many diseases/conditions and is as toxic as water. Big Insurance is co-mingled with Big Pharma, and has a vested interest in drug profits. If you use EIS/CS, you probably won't be going to the MD, who won't get the chance to prescribe an expensive drug to treat your Symptoms (most drugs don't cure anything, just treat the symptoms!). MDs are brainwashed from the first year of med school that drugs and surgery are the only things that will help, oh, yes, and grudgingly, therapy AFTER the surgery. No nutrition is taught, deficiency diseases are covered in a half-hour the first year of school, and MDs are taught that noone knows anything if they haven't been to med school. So, CS/EIS will become severely restricted, as have some supplements, so that Big Pharma can continue getting big profits to fund Big Insurance. You must make your own EIS/CS if you want some, and cannot sell or (eventually, just wait for the legislation) even give it away, or you will be a felon. Something similar happened to tobacco and hemp/marijuana (yes, I know they are different). If the Big Industry cannot find a way to patent something, they get their Senators and Congressmen to make it illegal. Sorry for the rant, it's one of my hot buttons -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...what they won't tell you.
What Doctors Don't Tell You Searchable Archives http://www.healthy.net/Search/WDDTY.asp?str=L&AValue=&srch=a&SortBy=Alpha Clayton Family wrote: the ones I saw that did say EXACTLY that, were not lying. They just believed the load of hogwash they were being fed. Some of it prepetrated by the ones that *are* evil, and behind the supression of the free practice of medicine ( and I do not mean money). Other parts of it are rooted in psychology ideas of somatic illness that are fast becoming out of date (see the research in the last 20 years of physical brain injury treatment), but are not recognised by many. Kathryn On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Kurt Milkowski wrote: > Ode Coyote wrote: >> It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" >> If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore >> more...but deviate just a little . >> >On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: >> >> >> >>Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you >> make Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Doctors... "The New Order of Doctors"
In a message dated 10/15/2007 6:38:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, c_wa...@earthlink.net writes: Evening Kurt, >> At 04:37 PM 10/15/2007, you wrote: >Well the more people become aware of the evil medical system the better >off everybody will be. 800,000 killed last year at the hand of these >genius', can anyone explain to me how this could possibly be accidental? One doctor, speaking to 80 other doctors, stated, ... "the doctors of the future will not be allowed to diagnose and treat disease. Furthermore, they will be used to kill people". You can read it.. http://www.fugitt.com/files/neworder.zip This is called, "The new order of the barbarians". 3 files, may be txt files. Simple and to the point ! Who suggested or said , "It is accidental". In one discussion it was stated, that they get a cash reward for each. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: CS>Doctors...
On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Tad Winiecki wrote: I asked her why she couldn't test people for their mineral deficiencies and treat their nutritional diseases, and she said the insurance company would not pay for the tests, or there were no tests for some. That is exactly what I am talking about. Since when do insurance companies get to decide my fate? This is a huge and growing problem, and it is complex. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...
The main doctor I see is very open minded about my ideals of how I want to be treated for problems I go in for and tries hard to work with me. She will suggest things and listens to what I say. We don't always agree with what I need but she treats my decisions with respect. That is not always the experience I have had with doctors but this one is different. I feel fortunate to have her for a doctor. Dianne - Original Message - From: faith gagne<mailto:jitte...@gis.net> To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... I am really fed up with this conversation. I have 3 or 4 extremely good and wonderrful doctors who have not only helped me immeasurably over and over again, but who I have come to consider kind, loving and caring friend. All this doctor-bashing is really getting to me. I like and admire professional people and If you do not like or trust doctors that is your problem. Faith - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski<mailto:kurt.milkow...@sbcglobal.net> To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode >On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: >> >>Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make >>a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," >>"nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely >>unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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My experience is that doctors actually don't know what is wrong when the cause of the problem is nutritional. They are not taught nutrition in medical school. So they can tell you straight-faced that you have a disease whose cause is unknown and it cannot be cured but they can give you drugs to treat the symptoms or surgery. That is what they told me about my bursitis and also my thumb/tendon problem I had as a nursing mother (both just needing more calcium and magnesium in a absorbable form). My doctor sister said, "But that's just one doctor that didn't know" but actually I have met 4 other women who had the same problem when nursing and were told the same lies, and one had the scars from the unnecessary surgery. It takes a special doctor to have knowledge of nutrition, I haven't seen one yet. My sister does try some, and will try to help people correct their diets. Yes, my youngest sister is a doctor and just visited along with my other 3 siblings. She said she was afraid to open her mouth about her medical views since I'm such an alternative nutcase (not her words) and I act so superior. Then she proceeded to say she was worried I would die of something like appendicitis because I wouldn't seek the attention of a doctor. Talk about acting superior. I asked her why she couldn't test people for their mineral deficiencies and treat their nutritional diseases, and she said the insurance company would not pay for the tests, or there were no tests for some. We parted still at an empasse. Nancy On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Kurt Milkowski wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...
I am really fed up with this conversation. I have 3 or 4 extremely good and wonderrful doctors who have not only helped me immeasurably over and over again, but who I have come to consider kind, loving and caring friend. All this doctor-bashing is really getting to me. I like and admire professional people and If you do not like or trust doctors that is your problem. Faith - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doctors... When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode >On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: >> >>Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make >>a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," >>"nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely >>unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doctors...
the ones I saw that did say EXACTLY that, were not lying. They just believed the load of hogwash they were being fed. Some of it prepetrated by the ones that *are* evil, and behind the supression of the free practice of medicine ( and I do not mean money). Other parts of it are rooted in psychology ideas of somatic illness that are fast becoming out of date (see the research in the last 20 years of physical brain injury treatment), but are not recognised by many. Really, Kurt, you just undermine your whole position when you beat this dead horse, painting everyone with the same brush. I wish you would re-read what Mike said at the bottom of the page Kathryn On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Kurt Milkowski wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little . >On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: >> >>Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make >>a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," >>"nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely >>unfriendly. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Kurt ~ Doctors are no more evil or good based solely upon their profession than say...your local pastor, or service engineer be they mechanics or plumbers. More so when the individual seeking advice is totally ignorant about the service sought. Doctors are but mere mortals, human beings although I have met my share of those who believe otherwise. With those gods, I've gone 10 rounds sometimes. The simple fact is that somme are more or less honest than others. About 3 years ago my son and I sat before an anesthesiologist who steadfastly proclaimed that there were absolutely no dangers whatsoever associated with general anesthesia. My son needed an operation. Did the doc have his way.absolutely not because the operation did not require a general. The meeting was scheduled because I objected from the get go..I knew a general was not necessary but he would have scheduled it as a matter or routine.As I sat assessing him, I concluded that he was lying, and it didn't take but a few minutes before he knew, that I knew. Did he say this because he was dishonest, truly believed what he said, inexperienced, or just a demented idiot? Each person must do their own evaluation when they place their lives in another's hands. To this day I will be eternally grateful to the surgeon who sewed four fingers back of one of my sons who would have otherwise lost them due to a water skiing accident. And then there's the surgeon who fixed another sons fibula that had completely severed in a football game. My neice will soon be attending Med School. She calls the witch doctor, as she fondly calls me, to see if I have any Echanesia on hand when she comes down with a cold. And its usually because she runs out. Does she know about colloidal silver. Absolutely. When she attends med school, will they attempt to brain wash her. Absolutely. The primary difference between her and the anesthesia guy will be that integrity and honesty cannot be bought or sold. When a person approaches a health care provider, or anyone else providing a service, and relinquishes their self-responsibility for acquiring at least some knowledge of the problem they are sealing their fate. If you know your engine is always stalling and the mechanic tells you he's done an evaluation and you're crazy, would you keep bringing your car back to him? Kurt Milkowski wrote: When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
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When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going on, but if they've been around for a while they know. Kurt Ode Coyote wrote: It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode >On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: >> >>Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make >>a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," >>"nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely >>unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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It is not all the doctors that are the basis for the system. It looks to be insurance companies, and a few bad guys. And how many would die with no medical treatment? Alot. I good solution, imho, is to let each person decide what they want to do with their own body. And to keep governemental interferance out of it, and esp the state medical boards, who are many times responsible for spearheading abuses of various kinds, to keep certain medical factions in power, and to keep any other form of medicine cowed. And this is nothing new, either. It has been going on for maybe over a hundred years, with varying degrees of success. On Oct 15, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Kurt Milkowski wrote: Well the more people become aware of the evil medical system the better off everybody will be. 800,000 killed last year at the hand of these genius', can anyone explain to me how this could possibly be accidental? Kurt Clayton Family wrote: Thanks, Mike, well said, and worth repeating. It is very frustrating to have such negative experiences at the hands of those who are in the business of helping us, and then to learn of the blatent warfare tactics of a powerful few to keep the rest in line and promote one point of view, and one standard of care. It often seems as though there is no one who will listen and help, . -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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It said the insurance companies are doing that, paying a bounty on each person denied coverage. On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:32 PM, CWFugitt wrote: Evening Kurt, >> At 04:37 PM 10/15/2007, you wrote: Well the more people become aware of the evil medical system the better off everybody will be. 800,000 killed last year at the hand of these genius', can anyone explain to me how this could possibly be accidental? One doctor, speaking to 80 other doctors, stated, ... "the doctors of the future will not be allowed to diagnose and treat disease. Furthermore, they will be used to kill people". You can read it.. http://www.fugitt.com/files/neworder.zip This is called, "The new order of the barbarians". 3 files, may be txt files. Simple and to the point ! Who suggested or said , "It is accidental". In one discussion it was stated, that they get a cash reward for each. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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It's mostly self defense that makes Doctors "toe the official line" If they weren't constantly under attack, they could afford to explore more...but deviate just a little and be wrong, unbelievable law suits, flocks of vultures swoop in for their pound of flesh with the "victim" getting a third share. I've met a few that will whisper, very quitely and privately, "Colloidal Silver", then pretend he didn't. I've had some at my house and "turned them on" to CS. I know a few dentists that would love to be able to use EIS in their practice...they've seen what it can do with their own eyes. "Looks goodunfortunately, can't use it" Most doctors...almost ALL doctors...are very sincere people, but they have to huddle under the legal umbrella for protection. I sold a box of 6 EIS generators delivered to a hospital in NYC...probably to treat street people who don't have lawyers or any money, and several more to names with MD behind them...I assume, for their friends and families. No, they aren't Devils and they aren't stupidthey are afraid. Ode On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely unfriendly. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Sounds a lot like Farenheit 451 to me. George Orwell was about 20 years ahead of his time, should have been "2004!" >Well the more people become aware of the evil medical system the better >off everybody will be. 800,000 killed last year at the hand of these >genius', can anyone explain to me how this could possibly be accidental? One doctor, speaking to 80 other doctors, stated, ... "the doctors of the future will not be allowed to diagnose and treat disease. Furthermore, they will be used to kill people". You can read it.. http://www.fugitt.com/files/neworder.zip This is called, "The new order of the barbarians". 3 files, may be txt files. Simple and to the point ! " -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Well the more people become aware of the evil medical system the better off everybody will be. 800,000 killed last year at the hand of these genius', can anyone explain to me how this could possibly be accidental? Kurt Clayton Family wrote: Thanks, Mike, well said, and worth repeating. It is very frustrating to have such negative experiences at the hands of those who are in the business of helping us, and then to learn of the blatent warfare tactics of a powerful few to keep the rest in line and promote one point of view, and one standard of care. It often seems as though there is no one who will listen and help, and would rather we go off and die quietly than continue to bother them with our non existent, psychosomatic complaints. My insurance company certain would have liked that- one less person to interfere with their money making capability. Then you find a gem- one who even calls you at home to make sure you are not off dying in an emergency room without him knowing, another one who while shackled with restraints, makes sure I know who is successfully treating this if I would like to go, and makes off the record recommendations of supplements that he knows will help. There is a real and serious problem with medical practice in this country, and it seems to start with HMO's, and "standards of care" that are necessary to deal with the litigous nature of the populace, who in general seem to believe everyone has a *right* to good health, and may think suing a dr means suing an insurance company. Stuff happens. To everybody, if you only live long enough to not die tragically young. Everyone is dying, if you want to look at it that way. We all just want to put it off for as long as possible, and enjoy our life as much as we can. Many good doctors help with that. I owe my life twice over to good drs that keep up, and know how to think through problems. Thank God for them. I also owe my recovery to my own efforts,and I prefer to fix myself when ever possible. Sometimes it has not been possible. Kathryn On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: > > Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make > a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," > "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely > unfriendly. > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Sorry about the lack of trimming...my mouse has died, in spite of being given no medicine or vaccinations. I'm using my blue tooth phone at the moment as a mouse controller. Anyway, Mike's post about doctors hits the mark for me, and reveals insight about who doctors are. As children people want to become doctors. They cannot be blamed for their training or the subsequent straightjacket of employment, any more than other employees, perhaps. Hippocratic oaths do make it a special case, I believe. But then, you can hear that 'it doesn't really apply these days'...which seems to take into account the political situation of Doctors and State Licences. Generally, I find surgeons or hospital doctors are superior, because they treat an emergency, and are in many cases less prone to rely on drugs than general practitioners (in the UK). For example, they may more readily lance a septic wound than give an increasing course of antibiotics until amputation is necessary. (General Practitioner applies to the UK). Young doctors (and it varies culturally as well as individually) may be arrogant, and start off as if they have 'all the answers', are 'here to save life', act where god is impotent etc..be blinded by a narrow field within mediicine and all that, but they also mature in one way or another. Patient expectations play a clear role, as well as the politics of the day. So the way you question and speak to a doctor makes a difference, even your pauses. I like to treat them as consultants. People who I consult, they do their best; I make the decisions. I do offer them my misgivings, but only as if in passing, rather than a direct challenge to them, and also I try to show them my present understanding without too much detail. In this last tactic, I find Doctors in the UK are increasing ly receptive to the level of patient knowledge, and more so where you are a parent of a child patient. In summary, the kind of misgivings about medicine shared on the list , I generally share, but I think doctors are victims of the system. Many become disillusioned with medicine because of that. As well being in a straightjacket, they are met by unrealistic or demanding patient expectations in the sphere of human suffering. The result is a terrible system of care, which prescribes diet coke ot cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy as a way of losing all independence long before dying. Of course, most Doctors don't find the time, or are not encouraged to read about Vaccination as a dirty game and misinformation: that is one example of how Doctors cannot easily swe outside the box. To question Vaccination would be extraordinary, and they wouldn't accept the current web publications without looking at a large number of original journal reports first. That would take a doctor weeks of reading, in tracing history of vaccines for a centuray. They don't have the time. If you look at medical studies, those conducted Doctors, as in Surgeons, tend to be pretty interesting and benign, checking their own work, and exploring factors of health such as diet and so forth. These are ongoing within their department. But the rely upon biomedical laboratory studie sfor so much of their work, by phd grads and medical researchers, who are not surgeons (i.e. involved with patient care). These studies are expensive and elaboratly set up according to protocol, but their interpretation is usually a lopsided snapshot of a human beings metabolism, and does not involve longditudinaal or comparative studies. Whilst they do compare to placebo over short duration, they don't compare to 'do nothing' over years, or take into account lifestyle factors. I could illustrate: imagine a study where noone is to be given anything, and one group is in fact given the medicine of study, secretly. Of course it's never been done, and this exceeds the double blind placebo study, where both groups think they are being given something, expecting a boost. Drawing conclusions upon statistically significant advantages in a non-placebo group is at differences where placebo might be say 47% over short term, and the medicine 50% improvement. This is actually low efficacy, and where side effcts even where noted are not taken into accoun t because they may be long -term. ANd improvements may be short term. Most doctors think that placebo is only about 40 to 50 % maximum. BUt it actually exceeds this with enhancement factors, such as colour of the medicine, name of the medicine, status of the doctor, etc. When a non-active placebo is given and an active drug given, the mere drug stimulation (side effects) may enhance placebo in the real drug group. This is just one example of the limits and woolliness of so called strict trials of effect. So you could say , Doctors are not behind the 'miracle cures' but are instructed in them. IT is frequently Doctor conducted trial that later discard new breakthroughs, or m
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Well put, Mike. "M. G. Devour" wrote: Hi folks, Here in the US, in order for doctors to function professionally on any basis at all they must participate in a system that is extremely controlled -- many of us would say thoroughly corrupt. No matter their motivation and character, that system severely restricts what they are permitted to do, and, if they want to be able to eat, they will not buck the system. Economic realities combine with education, peer pressure and legal/licensing authorities to complete their domestication. By *our* definitions, "good doctors" are remarkable for their scarcity. There are the few who listen and cooperate as best they can. A rare handful even abandon conformity alltogether. Treasure these! I know a few of us can honestly say we have known a *good* doctor or two. Most of you can honestly say that you have not. We even have, and have had in the past, a few physicians in our group. You'll seldom hear from them because it seems that a few people always fail to distinguish friend from foe, and they'd rather avoid the unwarranted and vicious attacks earned for them by their choice of profession and the actions of their peers. Sometimes, despite their good intentions, those few doctors who've joined us couldn't help coming across as know-it-alls or failed to recognize the intelligence and wisdom of the local experts and the limitations of their own training, and alienated themselves. So, on occasion, both sides have contributed to the failure to get along. What I want to say is this: Our mission is, first, informing interested individuals of the value of colloidal silver and related ideas, and second, helping people with whatever health challenges they face. In the interest of fulfilling that mission, please restrain yourself enough not to indulge in vicious, hostile, totally unqualified, blanket condemnation of *all* doctors. Hate the mainstream all you want, but don't drive away those who want to learn. Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely unfriendly. I think basic fairness demands as much of us. Our mission certainly does. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour In His Service, Scott Young <>< "The ultimate healing is death." - Elisabeth Kugler-Ross - Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV.
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Unfortunate, but true, Kathryn. Clayton Family wrote: Thanks, Mike, well said, and worth repeating. It is very frustrating to have such negative experiences at the hands of those who are in the business of helping us, and then to learn of the blatent warfare tactics of a powerful few to keep the rest in line and promote one point of view, and one standard of care. It often seems as though there is no one who will listen and help, and would rather we go off and die quietly than continue to bother them with our non existent, psychosomatic complaints. My insurance company certain would have liked that- one less person to interfere with their money making capability. Then you find a gem- one who even calls you at home to make sure you are not off dying in an emergency room without him knowing, another one who while shackled with restraints, makes sure I know who is successfully treating this if I would like to go, and makes off the record recommendations of supplements that he knows will help. There is a real and serious problem with medical practice in this country, and it seems to start with HMO's, and "standards of care" that are necessary to deal with the litigous nature of the populace, who in general seem to believe everyone has a *right* to good health, and may think suing a dr means suing an insurance company. Stuff happens. To everybody, if you only live long enough to not die tragically young. Everyone is dying, if you want to look at it that way. We all just want to put it off for as long as possible, and enjoy our life as much as we can. Many good doctors help with that. I owe my life twice over to good drs that keep up, and know how to think through problems. Thank God for them. I also owe my recovery to my own efforts,and I prefer to fix myself when ever possible. Sometimes it has not been possible. Kathryn On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: > > Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make > a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," > "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely > unfriendly. > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour In His Service, Scott Young <>< "The ultimate healing is death." - Elisabeth Kugler-Ross - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.
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Thanks, Mike, well said, and worth repeating. It is very frustrating to have such negative experiences at the hands of those who are in the business of helping us, and then to learn of the blatent warfare tactics of a powerful few to keep the rest in line and promote one point of view, and one standard of care. It often seems as though there is no one who will listen and help, and would rather we go off and die quietly than continue to bother them with our non existent, psychosomatic complaints. My insurance company certain would have liked that- one less person to interfere with their money making capability. Then you find a gem- one who even calls you at home to make sure you are not off dying in an emergency room without him knowing, another one who while shackled with restraints, makes sure I know who is successfully treating this if I would like to go, and makes off the record recommendations of supplements that he knows will help. There is a real and serious problem with medical practice in this country, and it seems to start with HMO's, and "standards of care" that are necessary to deal with the litigous nature of the populace, who in general seem to believe everyone has a *right* to good health, and may think suing a dr means suing an insurance company. Stuff happens. To everybody, if you only live long enough to not die tragically young. Everyone is dying, if you want to look at it that way. We all just want to put it off for as long as possible, and enjoy our life as much as we can. Many good doctors help with that. I owe my life twice over to good drs that keep up, and know how to think through problems. Thank God for them. I also owe my recovery to my own efforts,and I prefer to fix myself when ever possible. Sometimes it has not been possible. Kathryn On Oct 15, 2007, at 5:09 AM, M. G. Devour wrote: Allow for the existence of the exceptional few... *every* time you make a statement about "doctors." It doesn't take many words -- "most," "nearly all" -- to tranform the environment from hostile to merely unfriendly. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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My mom died of colon cancer, with mets to the liver. She had NO treatment, and thus had five good years. She didn`t really deteriorate until the last 2 weeks! She saw the horror and misery her mom had gone through with breast cancer and the primitive chemotherapy available back in the late 1940s, and decided it wasn`t for her. Me neither. I`m NOT afraid of death, after all, it is merely the doorway back to where we came from in the first place. If I get cancer, hey, I`m done here, and get to go Home! Marshalee *This is basically correct, Marshalee, in fact they cant get beyond the dec.col. at all now; but the entire colon can be quite nicely viewed-- I have had them with and without sedation [same with endoscopic] and there is some discomfort from the air pressure inserted to shape the colon for a better view and things can get a little crowed in there if they turn the scope around for a look in the other direction such as to look at the anus from inside. There may be discomfort [moderate pain] if they snip of suspicious tissue for analysis. They can even remove polyps with the thing; I would imagine this would always would be under sedation. Afterwards, there can be quite a bit of passing of the air I mentioned and some are embarrassed [yes, em-bare-assed]. Not everyone is thrilled to have someone poking them around there. but what the heck your life might be worth saving. imagine how your loved ones would feel. how Katie feels about her husband not having had this relatively simple testing.* *An interesting perspective about it all is, as some maintain, that it ALL occurs OUTSIDE the body [except for the IV, if used]. From the nose straight thru to the anus, is considered by some to all be outside the body, hence, about as non invasive as you can get.* *...as I said before: * *if you have no familial colon prob, are under 50, no symptoms of colon* *prob. NO one they are responsible for/to, *and *no family that gives a damn* *about em. if you don't care. you're silly.* *davido* -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I resepctfully disagree, there really are very valid individual reasons why someone at high risk (me) would refuse these tests, I do not intend to discuss them here however. This is not something to say a person is silly about, really. I have thoroughly researched both the "benefits" and risks of having or not having these tests and it is not at all a decision taken lightly, or in dumb faith that I will never get cancer. It is truly an educated decision. I have a hard time with why doctors and evidently you yourself cannot understand that someone could choose not to test and have good sound reasons for doing so. sol David S Osborne wrote: if you have no familial colon prob, are under 50, no symptoms of colon prob. NO one they are responsible for/to, and no family that gives a damn about em. if you don't care. you're silly. davido -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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This is basically correct, Marshalee, in fact they cant get beyond the dec.col. at all now; but the entire colon can be quite nicely viewed-- I have had them with and without sedation [same with endoscopic] and there is some discomfort from the air pressure inserted to shape the colon for a better view and things can get a little crowed in there if they turn the scope around for a look in the other direction such as to look at the anus from inside. There may be discomfort [moderate pain] if they snip of suspicious tissue for analysis. They can even remove polyps with the thing; I would imagine this would always would be under sedation. Afterwards, there can be quite a bit of passing of the air I mentioned and some are embarrassed [yes, em-bare-assed]. Not everyone is thrilled to have someone poking them around there. but what the heck your life might be worth saving. imagine how your loved ones would feel. how Katie feels about her husband not having had this relatively simple testing. An interesting perspective about it all is, as some maintain, that it ALL occurs OUTSIDE the body [except for the IV, if used]. From the nose straight thru to the anus, is considered by some to all be outside the body, hence, about as non invasive as you can get. ...as I said before: if you have no familial colon prob, are under 50, no symptoms of colon prob. NO one they are responsible for/to, and no family that gives a damn about em. if you don't care. you're silly. davido On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:03:20 -0600 Marshalee writes: > I watched Katie Couric get one on TV a while back. They can`t getfar > beyond the Descending Colon. > Marshalee
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I watched Katie Couric get one on TV a while back. They can`t getfar beyond the Descending Colon. Marshalee He must have had his tumor located low enough down the colon to be found, most are up high, where the colonoscopy the tubes can`t get. Are you sure you aren't talking about a sigmoidoscopy? They can't get up to the higher tract of the colon. But I was under the impression that a colonoscopy was able to check everything. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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if a male has no familial colon prob, is under 50, no symptoms of colon prob. and no family that gives a damn about em-- I would say they have the right to drive the docs nuts. davido On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:58:21 -0600 sol writes: > Having some family history of colon cancer, it drives doctors nuts > that > I refuse to have a colonoscopy, I've had two sigmoidoscopies years > ago, > and those were enough for me, I refuse any more of those either. > What > drives me nuts about doctors, and why I stay away from them as much > as > possible, is that they refuse to acknowledge that this is MY body, > and > it is MY choice, and it is NOT made out of ignorance, or fear, but > from > educated, reasoned choice. > sol > > marmar...@aol.com wrote: > > > > > A colonoscopy WOULD HAVE saved my Dad's life, if he'd had one. I > > > think avoiding a colonoscopy is perilous. MA > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: > 4/13/2005 > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal > Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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I think a colonoscopy does pretty much examine the entire intestinal tract. My mother's surgeon insisted on showing me the photos of her colonoscopy as well as the polyps they removed (in little glass tubes). He didn't seem to notice I was gagging and looking away. He was very proud of his work. But then surgeons and other medical personnel do tend not to be squeamish. sol marmar...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/13/2005 10:12:42 AM Central Standard Time, mama...@netzero.net writes: He must have had his tumor located low enough down the colon to be found, most are up high, where the colonoscopy the tubes can`t get. Are you sure you aren't talking about a sigmoidoscopy? They can't get up to the higher tract of the colon. But I was under the impression that a colonoscopy was able to check everything. MA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Having some family history of colon cancer, it drives doctors nuts that I refuse to have a colonoscopy, I've had two sigmoidoscopies years ago, and those were enough for me, I refuse any more of those either. What drives me nuts about doctors, and why I stay away from them as much as possible, is that they refuse to acknowledge that this is MY body, and it is MY choice, and it is NOT made out of ignorance, or fear, but from educated, reasoned choice. sol marmar...@aol.com wrote: A colonoscopy WOULD HAVE saved my Dad's life, if he'd had one. I think avoiding a colonoscopy is perilous. MA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In a message dated 4/13/2005 10:12:42 AM Central Standard Time, mama...@netzero.net writes: He must have had his tumor located low enough down the colon to be found, most are up high, where the colonoscopy the tubes can`t get. Are you sure you aren't talking about a sigmoidoscopy? They can't get up to the higher tract of the colon. But I was under the impression that a colonoscopy was able to check everything. MA
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In a message dated 4/13/2005 10:08:36 AM Central Standard Time, mama...@netzero.net writes: I`m getting my share put into a Special Needs Trust, so I can keep my SSI and Medicaid going. I'm interested in this. I have a sister who is on Soc.Sec.Disability with Medicaid, etc. She will be getting a substantial insurance settlement from an automobile accident, and I doubt seriously that she knows anything about a Special Needs Trust. Nor do I. Can you elaborate? Are they available in all states? MA
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In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:33:42 AM Central Standard Time, ide...@juno.com writes: a colonoscopy definitely saved my son's life a couple years ago. A colonoscopy WOULD HAVE saved my Dad's life, if he'd had one. I think avoiding a colonoscopy is perilous. MA
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GMurray and Marshalee and group, If you have spleen or stomach troubles, I understand that Kombucha Tea will assist in digestion, detoxification, and for probiotics. I have been making and drinking it now for several months, and it truly is an Elixir of the Gods! So, if you are brewing your own CS, you might think about brewing your own Kombucha too. If you have any questions, e-mail me. Sasha ---Original Message--- From: Marshalee Date: 04/13/05 07:59:34 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>doctors, sigh Hi! Well, I have no gallbladder anymore, as the darn Lyme bugs did it in. Had to have it removed in 1991. (I heard this happens to a lot of Lymies) Maybe this is a phantom pain?? No pain in the left side at all. I took a big bunch of silver yesterday, and that finally got rid of the small fever I`d been experiencing for a week or so. I`m wondering if I`m trying to detox, as I recently upped my intake of Vitamin C, B complex, calcium, and other good things. Been rereading Adelle Davis`s "Let`s Get Well". (Boy, the Quackwatch idiot sure lambasted her!) Marshalee > Hi Marshalee, > > The pains under your ribs is likely your gall bladder/liver on your > rightside and spleen on your left side. I had my gallbladder removed > eight years ago and when they diagnosed many stones they also found my > spleen to be enlarged. WhenI feel crappy my spleen enlarges more and > I can feel it pushing on my bottom ribs. It is sometimes tiggered by > certain foods or when i am cleansing and stirring up toxins. It can > be downright annoying. > It can also be a sign of lymphoma, best to have a ct scan or ultrasound. > > G Murray > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <>
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Hi Marshalee, Good to hear about no pains under the left ribs as that is not a good sign. I have no gallbladder either. I still have pains in that area. Maybe phantom pains, but you can still have stones in the bile ducts and liver trying to exit. I have passses several stones since having my gallbladder removed. I do frequent liver cleansing as well and that seems to keep the pain at bay. I have heard of people taking a daily dose of lemon in some water(sweetened with a little honey or maple syrup) for a few weeks also helps with liver pains. Try milk thistle as well. G Murray Marshalee wrote: Hi! Well, I have no gallbladder anymore, as the darn Lyme bugs did it in. Had to have it removed in 1991. (I heard this happens to a lot of Lymies) Maybe this is a phantom pain?? No pain in the left side at all. I took a big bunch of silver yesterday, and that finally got rid of the small fever I`d been experiencing for a week or so. I`m wondering if I`m trying to detox, as I recently upped my intake of Vitamin C, B complex, calcium, and other good things. Been rereading Adelle Davis`s "Let`s Get Well". (Boy, the Quackwatch idiot sure lambasted her!) Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Dear David, I am so glad for him! He must have had his tumor located low enough down the colon to be found, most are up high, where the colonoscopy the tubes can`t get. Thus my mom died. sigh... I had a colonoscopy 9 years ago, when the Lyme was ravaging me. The doc did it, found nothing, and so he called it IBS. Marshalee a colonoscopy /definitely/ saved my son's life a couple years ago. He's mid 40 davido -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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OK! Thanks for the info. Once my Trust is up and running, by the end of the month, hopefully, I`ll be able to get good things like that. (Right now, I`m on a 75 dollar loan from my daughter, just to make it to the end of this month. I used up all my savings in the last 7 months, and am now living on $125 a month Doesn`t work.) After the recent sale of our late mom`s home, (in Napa, CA; it went for nearly half a million for a 4 BR tract home! Go figure...) I`m getting my share put into a Special Needs Trust, so I can keep my SSI and Medicaid going. It won`t pay for food, clothing or shelter, the SSI HAS to do that, but it can pay for anything else, vitamins, a juicer, dog food, my new Pug puppy, a new van with a chair lift, etc. Hooray! Please let me know the best place to get vitamins, ie. the Internet, a local HF store? Marshalee, after going through approx 20 brands of powdered C, I settled on Natrol brand Ester C. Keeping an empty stomach and increasing a hydrochloric acid with a supplement would help rapid and a better absorption. My main routine is to take 2 heaping teaspons (approx. 7,000 mg) in juice at least 2 x a day. It's a calcium ascorbate. It may also help to take N actyl Cistiene (NAC) and r-lipoic acid to keep the c re-circulating. Pycnogenol will also do the same. Please keep in touch; I'd be happy to try to answer questions if I can. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Marshalee, Regarding your gall bladder and spleen -- have you thought about a bowel, liver, and kidney cleanse to remove the stones and old waste material that may be causing your ailments? Sasha ---Original Message--- From: Marshalee Date: 04/12/05 21:15:45 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>doctors, sigh Hmm, interesting! Any suggestions on what is a good kind of C to get? I have some chewable, but it tastes yucky, hard for me to get down. And some tablets make my stomach burn. Marshalee >Marshalee, I feel the same about the colonosocopy. I told my doc about >http://GaryNull.com s comments that we all have cancer several times in >or lives, and he agreed, so if I develop it, then I would do the least >toxic treatment first, and so on. > I am finding that mega doses of ester c powder as a basis of all the >therapies has great benefit regarding joint pain. Some say many diseases >are really symptoms of scurvy (vit c deficiency) at different levels. >http://bolenreport.com > I had a joint injury that lasted 2 years until I mega dosed C and it >cleared up in 2 weeks. > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <>
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Hi! Well, I have no gallbladder anymore, as the darn Lyme bugs did it in. Had to have it removed in 1991. (I heard this happens to a lot of Lymies) Maybe this is a phantom pain?? No pain in the left side at all. I took a big bunch of silver yesterday, and that finally got rid of the small fever I`d been experiencing for a week or so. I`m wondering if I`m trying to detox, as I recently upped my intake of Vitamin C, B complex, calcium, and other good things. Been rereading Adelle Davis`s "Let`s Get Well". (Boy, the Quackwatch idiot sure lambasted her!) Marshalee Hi Marshalee, The pains under your ribs is likely your gall bladder/liver on your rightside and spleen on your left side. I had my gallbladder removed eight years ago and when they diagnosed many stones they also found my spleen to be enlarged. WhenI feel crappy my spleen enlarges more and I can feel it pushing on my bottom ribs. It is sometimes tiggered by certain foods or when i am cleansing and stirring up toxins. It can be downright annoying. It can also be a sign of lymphoma, best to have a ct scan or ultrasound. G Murray -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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a colonoscopy definitely saved my son's life a couple years ago. He's mid 40 davido On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:39:30 -0400 alltogether...@webtv.net writes: > Marshalee, I feel the same about the colonosocopy. I told my doc > about > http://GaryNull.com s comments that we all have cancer several > times in > or lives, and he agreed, so if I develop it, then I would do the > least > toxic treatment first, and so on. > I am finding that mega doses of ester c powder as a basis of all > the > therapies has great benefit regarding joint pain. Some say many > diseases > are really symptoms of scurvy (vit c deficiency) at different > levels. > http://bolenreport.com > I had a joint injury that lasted 2 years until I mega dosed C and > it > cleared up in 2 weeks. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal > Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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Marshalee, after going through approx 20 brands of powdered C, I settled on Natrol brand Ester C. Keeping an empty stomach and increasing a hydrochloric acid with a supplement would help rapid and a better absorption. My main routine is to take 2 heaping teaspons (approx. 7,000 mg) in juice at least 2 x a day. It's a calcium ascorbate. It may also help to take N actyl Cistiene (NAC) and r-lipoic acid to keep the c re-circulating. Pycnogenol will also do the same. Please keep in touch; I'd be happy to try to answer questions if I can. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Marshalee, The pains under your ribs is likely your gall bladder/liver on your rightside and spleen on your left side. I had my gallbladder removed eight years ago and when they diagnosed many stones they also found my spleen to be enlarged. WhenI feel crappy my spleen enlarges more and I can feel it pushing on my bottom ribs. It is sometimes tiggered by certain foods or when i am cleansing and stirring up toxins. It can be downright annoying. It can also be a sign of lymphoma, best to have a ct scan or ultrasound. G Murray Marshalee wrote: I`m feeling really crummy, weak and achy all over, some pain under my ribs, and my feet really annoy me now, especially when I have been lying down a while. Probably old Lyme Disease damage. Any ideas? Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I'm very sorry to hear about your situation Marshalee. Sincerely..Ernie -Original Message- From: Marshalee [mailto:mama...@netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>doctors, sigh Hi, Listers! Well, I went for a checkup today, to one of the only docs in town who does Medicaid and is accepting new patients. She is a nice lady, she is from Romania, but she obviously thinks CS is weird, and that too much stomach acid causes heartburn. (I told her about the low stomach acid/gas connection, but she pooh-poohed the idea.) She wants me to have a bunch of blood work, a colonoscopy, an EKG, an abdominal ultrascan, and at least I can get the foot X rays I asked for! (I want to see how the arthritis in them is progressing.) I`m going to pass on the darn colonoscopy, as I hated the one I had, and anyway IF I get colon cancer, I`ll be really glad. (My ticket Home!) I told her my entire CS story, but she can`t get a handle on it. Oh well. Maybe later I can get to her! I`m feeling really crummy, weak and achy all over, some pain under my ribs, and my feet really annoy me now, especially when I have been lying down a while. Probably old Lyme Disease damage. Any ideas? Marshalee > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hmm, interesting! Any suggestions on what is a good kind of C to get? I have some chewable, but it tastes yucky, hard for me to get down. And some tablets make my stomach burn. Marshalee Marshalee, I feel the same about the colonosocopy. I told my doc about http://GaryNull.com s comments that we all have cancer several times in or lives, and he agreed, so if I develop it, then I would do the least toxic treatment first, and so on. I am finding that mega doses of ester c powder as a basis of all the therapies has great benefit regarding joint pain. Some say many diseases are really symptoms of scurvy (vit c deficiency) at different levels. http://bolenreport.com I had a joint injury that lasted 2 years until I mega dosed C and it cleared up in 2 weeks. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Marshalee, I feel the same about the colonosocopy. I told my doc about http://GaryNull.com s comments that we all have cancer several times in or lives, and he agreed, so if I develop it, then I would do the least toxic treatment first, and so on. I am finding that mega doses of ester c powder as a basis of all the therapies has great benefit regarding joint pain. Some say many diseases are really symptoms of scurvy (vit c deficiency) at different levels. http://bolenreport.com I had a joint injury that lasted 2 years until I mega dosed C and it cleared up in 2 weeks. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Himagain knows a lot more than what he has been telling us in his posts. Those who are interested in our present world can lean much more about health by asking for their free copy of Global Insights by phoning this toll free number - 800-729-4131 val...@healingmatters.com - Original Message - From: "John Rigby" To: Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: CS>Doctors and you > Hi folks, > This appeared on the CS list. Not sure if it is another "troll" or not. :-) > > > At 02:11 AM 22/08/04, you wrote: > >Docs have just as many conficting beliefs as anyone and more restrictions > >on their actions than anyone, all of which are "intended" to protect you... > >and the Docs from malpractice suits which are also "intended" to protect you. > > It's the publics demand for protection that made the situation what it is, > >not evil intentions of Doctors, who, incidently, are quitting left and > >right because they CAN'T do what they think best or even 'tell' you what > >they think is best. > - > But, it did start me thinking about the power of conditioning/brainwashing, > again. > > There is far less than POINT1% of the Medical Mafia that *ever* leave the > Familia. > It is all about choices. > Anyone who knows what he/she is doing to innocent "trusting" people - and > they KNOW within months of getting into the franchise - and continues to > do it for nothing more than the money is certainly not religious. They > would have to know that they are going to their Hell. They decided for > Mammon. Simple. > > I have nothing against the poor dumb mother who thinks her child is safe in > the hands of a Catholic Priest .. unless she can read. THEN she has > failed in her job. > Exactly as the mother who allows her child to be vaccinated - without > being able to say that she researched the question at least to the same > depth she did before buying the washing machine. > > The ENTIRE U.S. Medical system is the creation of just two geniuses ( > demons!) and a lot of strongarm hitmen support. > You can go here - send people here - for an > introduction: http://www.fablor.com/matrixide > > But then, there will be no further excuse for not being > self-responsible > > Himagain, > Wondering what the hell he is doing still in the trenches at his age. > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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From: John Rigby John, I'm surprised! For all the wisdom you provide us on this list to say "Wondering what the hell he is doing still in the trenches at his age." B.S. I'll post OT. Christine > From: John Rigby > But, it did start me thinking about the power of conditioning/brainwashing, > again. > > There is far less than POINT1% of the Medical Mafia that *ever* leave the > Familia. > It is all about choices. > Anyone who knows what he/she is doing to innocent "trusting" people - and > they KNOW within months of getting into the franchise - and continues to > do it for nothing more than the money is certainly not religious. They > would have to know that they are going to their Hell. They decided for > Mammon. Simple. > > I have nothing against the poor dumb mother who thinks her child is safe in > the hands of a Catholic Priest .. unless she can read. THEN she has > failed in her job. > Exactly as the mother who allows her child to be vaccinated - without > being able to say that she researched the question at least to the same > depth she did before buying the washing machine. > > The ENTIRE U.S. Medical system is the creation of just two geniuses ( > demons!) and a lot of strongarm hitmen support. > You can go here - send people here - for an > introduction: http://www.fablor.com/matrixide > > But then, there will be no further excuse for not being > self-responsible > > Himagain, > Wondering what the hell he is doing still in the trenches at his age. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In a message dated 6/28/99 2:23:31 PM Central Daylight Time, liz...@frontiernet.net writes: << Most of the "perks" doctors receive are not money but golf trips, expensive gifts, freebies on lots of stuff compliments of the company that manufactures the particular brand of poison being pushed that month. Liz >> Someone in my family is the only nurse in a Dr. office. She is constantly tellng me about the great food delivered to the office and many times she brings all sorts of things home the drug reps drop off. I don't know what they do for the doc but if they can't get past her they don't see him so it is a never ending you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. I will say in his defense, that he is a fine person that sometimes goes along with us strange ones that will not use drugs. edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
