Re: [RCSE] What the heck???
Thats just damn cute -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: Dan Borer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thelopezfamilyonline.com/play.php?first=Gordylast=Stahl ---BeginMessage--- http://www.thelopezfamilyonline.com/play.php?first=Gordylast=Stahl ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] What the heck???
That's just damn scary.. Robert P Buxton CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and prohibited from unauthorized disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: [RCSE] What the heck???
But who exactly will be his running mate? That ought to be interesting! Rob 2008/8/24 Dan Borer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thelopezfamilyonline.com/play.php?first=Gordylast=Stahl
[RCSE] What the heck???
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[RCSE] What a day for Jersey soaring!
Joe Melchoir, top Deleware TD pilot and Mooney owner, flew it to Lincoln Park airport about 11am and I was there. We loaded up his sailplane into my truck and headed to the field. The weather was good enough for the hawks all day. Light breezes big fluffy clouds. I flew my Sharon and Joe flew an old NSP Victory that still flies incredibly well! Beat Steffen showed up about 3pm, Joe and I were packing up, thinking about beer and steaks, but he begged us to stay, but I told him the only way I'd stay would be if he had a DLG stuck in a 100' pine tree for me to fetchlucky for him, he happened to have landed his the day before in the top of a giant pine at the edge of the fieldso we stayed. After retrieving the model, he dug out his Perfect ...so Joe and stayed for a few hours more to get some soaring in with his ship ;-). Contest tomorrow, hope to see you all there. Gordy In a message dated 8/15/2008 11:09:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, StLuc3 writes: Welcome back to NJ Gordy. We'll see you on Sunday. On Saturday I'll be at Leon's Sod Farm at 514 Pittstown Rd., Pittstown, NJ 08867 doing Base 'B' for Mike Lachowski's F3b practice. It's always fun to watch. In a message dated 8/15/2008 8:02:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GordySoar writes: Joe Melchoir is flying in with his Mooney...I'll be picking him up and even maybe I'll be flying :-) Gordy Hojo at Parsipanny (sp) In a message dated 8/15/2008 3:59:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guys: It should be in the 80s and sunny for our contest on Sunday. I will start the contest at 10 and we'll do 6 rounds with a 8 minute task and a graduated landing task. Remember, fly all 6 rounds and win a free membership in NJSS for 2009, a $25 savings! :-)) We will have our second and final contest of the season the 24th of August. Everybody have a great weekend! Steve PS Bill Vida's e-mail is still down and probably won't get fixed for another week. = The information in this transmission is intended for official use only and may contain information from NJM Insurance Group that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended for the exclusive use of the persons or entities to which it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this transmission to an intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication, or the use of its contents, is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete the material from any computer. = Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? _Read reviews on AOL Autos_ (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307) . Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? _Read reviews on AOL Autos_ (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307) . **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000307 )
RE: [RCSE] What Time Is It in Muncie?
From what I see Eastern Daylight Time Kurt -Original Message- From: Tom Nagel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:34 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] What Time Is It in Muncie? Gents: I gotta drive over to Muncie on Saturday morning. What time zone is Muncie using this year? Eastern Standard Daylight Savings, or Central Daylight Savings or Local Option Crapshoot Indiana Time Zone Roulette Time? I gotta adjust my sundial before leaving home! Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What handlaunch to get? An incomplete list...
POLECAT SIDEWINDER II - $300 Being a member of Team Polecat, I've got to suggest the SideWinder II. For $300 you really can't beat the price for a competition-level DLG... Hi-Load foam bagged with carbon rods and glass. If Bruce can't bust that wing, no one can! A really excellent deal on a plane. http://www.polecataero.com/products/sidewinder2/ SIMPLY COOL - $200? Our little man Lee has been flying a SideWinder II this year, and as a back-up he's been flying one of Kennedy Composites Simply Cool RES DLGs. Really slick ship! Molded one-piece wing. I wouldn't put it in Bruce's hands, but for youngin's and beginnin's it's pretty alright. I don't see it on Kennedy's site, so I'm not sure about availability or price - but I think it can be had for $200 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387155 DL50 - $70 I'm kinda a sucker for the cheap DLGs, 'cause that's what I got started with! I flew Red Weston's Red Herrings for about a year before I got a 'real' DLG. The DL50 from Mountain Models is a 50, foam wing DLG that is really simple to put together and is pretty tough! http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_28products_id=212 ALL THE REST... Now as far as competition-grade stuff goes, you're looking at $400+ per plane. And this isn't a complete list, but these are the most popular planes 'round my neck of the woods. Polecat XP-5 - $429 http://www.polecataero.com/products/xp-5/ Pilot: Bruce Davidson Taboo GT - $450 http://olgol.com/TabooGT/ Pilots: Oleg, Phil Jones Prototypes Vandal - $500 http://www.jonesprototypes.com/pricing.htm Pilots: Paul Anderson, them west coasty boys Blaster 2 - $385 http://kennedycomposites.com/blaster2.htm Marc Gellart won the NATS with one of these! Photon II - $370 http://kennedycomposites.com/photonii.htm RES w/ Flap. Pretty and indestructible in a mid-air! EURO MOLDIES and then you've got your Euro moldies like the Firework III / IV from SoaringUSA.com http://www.soaringusa.com/products/subcategory.htm?category_id=294 ...as welll as the Aspirin and SALPeter DLGs over at F3X.com http://www.f3x.com/htdocs/DLG.htm Most of the dudes in Germany fly molded ships. Why can't we get CNC molds and a people to crank them out here? Not sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Uncle! I give up, I want to play too. What handlaunch should I go out and get now? Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What Time Is It in Muncie?
Gents: I gotta drive over to Muncie on Saturday morning. What time zone is Muncie using this year? Eastern Standard Daylight Savings, or Central Daylight Savings or Local Option Crapshoot Indiana Time Zone Roulette Time? I gotta adjust my sundial before leaving home! Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What I did on the 5th of July.....
Well I listened to the weather report Friday evening and heard something like this... thunder showers for Saturday for most of the day chance of rain 80%...) Well I knew it was time to get the planes ready for a great day of flying... Sure enough Saturday morning rolls around, although cloudy, no rain in site... just as the weather man predicted. I load up the Condor-diction, Lovesong Aquila. Batteries are charged and I'm ready to go. I head out at 8:00 am sharp to pick up my daughter Jessica. 9:15 am I have Jess in the car breakfast and coffee and I head to the field. I see patches of blue sky, a but humid but no rain. First plane that gets assembled is my Condor-diction. This time I had done my homework and had checked and double checked everything. The only issue I had to deal with is finding the correct CG. I knew I was too far back the last time it went out (1 yr ago which caused the fuse to snap in half). This year I added about 2 oz of lead in the nose. I range check the plane, mark the location of the CG and I'm ready to hand toss. After about 2 tosses I had corrected the elevator bringing it to its new location. Two more hand tosses and I was more than 1/2 way across the field (no exaggeration). The flying field is probably close to 2000’ long or more. I was ready to put the Condor-diction on my heavy-duty hi-start. Up it goes first trim flight required dialing in the elevator but all else looks good. Second trim flight I checked the CG with the dive test and inverted flight. Only thing that needed final adjusting was elevator compensation w/ flaps. I know I'm close with the CG. Now time to see what this ship can do. I wanted to see what kind of speed I can get out of the MH32... so I pushed the nose over... WOW!!! this sucker really moves out.. .but yet... I can slow it up while in a thermal I think to myself KEWL!!! This is REALLY FLYING NICE!!! Keep in mind I wasn't interested in times at this point, just handling By about the 4 flight I can see this plane handles quite nicely... Next up is the 30 year old Aquila... Wanted to give Jessica some stick time. After routine range test and hand tosses I'm ready to launch. I flew the first flight out just to make sure all was ok. Up we go again and I hand the controls over to Jessica Like a duck takes to water Jessica is working some light lift first flight 4 min 40 sec... not bad considering not much going on with lift today. After about 3 flights seeing the air is quite buoyant, I decided to get the 'ole Lovesong a try. I check and recheck the CG making sure it is somewhere close to the joiner rod. I check and recheck all throws and then finally the range check. All checks out ok... Now for the first hand toss... Nothing to write home about ... just kind of mushes into the grown... humm I say... more umph in that toss... Next toss I give it a good push and off it goes... some elevator trim and toss again. This one was MUCH better... I got several hundred feet out of the launch... My intention today was just to make sure the Lovesong is ready to go... but I said to myself... I'm going to put it up on the hi-start... Living by an old adage from a near and dear friend of mine.. Edward Ajamian... it either flies or dies... I add a bunch more paces on the hi-start.. now pulling at least 25 or more lbs... I hook the Lovesong to it ... last minute wiggle of the sticks... then I release... The Lovesong heads for the heavens like a homesick angle... It is steady as a rock... I get a few hundred feet on the first launch. Ahhh yes.. the Lovesong.. wow what a nice flying plane!!! Next thing I realize is I'm hooked into a light thermal and going up.. and up.. and up... I horse around with it just to become acquainted with the Lovesong.. I land only to find I had clocked 5 minutes... without trying!!! Back to the Aquila.. Jessica gets a few more flights and does ok... I'm still going through basics with Jessica but it is amazing how quickly she picks things up. I ended the day with 2 more flights on the Lovesong... Each flight about 7-10 min. By this time I was getting overly hot... the sun was out and humidity was way up. By about 2:30 pm I'm ready to call it quits. After packing up.. and driving out.. I'm leaving the field in triumph.. and a lesson learned... don't trust those weather-men... It was a great day... sorry for those who listened to the weather-men and stayed home. That's all for now Kurt W. Zimmerman Kurt W. Zimmerman My Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kurtwzimmerman RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What I did on the 5th of July.....
Well I listened to the weather report Friday evening and heard something like this... thunder showers for Saturday for most of the day chance of rain 80%...) Well I knew it was time to get the planes ready for a great day of flying... Sure enough Saturday morning rolls around, although cloudy, no rain in site... just as the weather man predicted. I load up the Condor-diction, Lovesong Aquila. Batteries are charged and I'm ready to go. I head out at 8:00 am sharp to pick up my daughter Jessica. 9:15 am I have Jess in the car breakfast and coffee and I head to the field. I see patches of blue sky, a but humid but no rain. First plane that gets assembled is my Condor-diction. This time I had done my homework and had checked and double checked everything. The only issue I had to deal with is finding the correct CG. I knew I was too far back the last time it went out (1 yr ago which caused the fuse to snap in half). This year I added about 2 oz of lead in the nose. I range check the plane, mark the location of the CG and I'm ready to hand toss. After about 2 tosses I had corrected the elevator bringing it to its new location. Two more hand tosses and I was more than 1/2 way across the field (no exaggeration). The flying field is probably close to 2000' long or more. I was ready to put the Condor-diction on my heavy-duty hi-start. Up it goes first trim flight required dialing in the elevator but all else looks good. Second trim flight I checked the CG with the dive test and inverted flight. Only thing that needed final adjusting was elevator compensation w/ flaps. I know I'm close with the CG. Now time to see what this ship can do. I wanted to see what kind of speed I can get out of the MH32... so I pushed the nose over... WOW!!! this sucker really moves out.. .but yet... I can slow it up while in a thermal I think to myself KEWL!!! This is REALLY FLYING NICE!!! Keep in mind I wasn't interested in times at this point, just handling By about the 4 flight I can see this plane handles quite nicely... Next up is the 30 year old Aquila... Wanted to give Jessica some stick time. After routine range test and hand tosses I'm ready to launch. I flew the first flight out just to make sure all was ok. Up we go again and I hand the controls over to Jessica Like a duck takes to water Jessica is working some light lift first flight 4 min 40 sec... not bad considering not much going on with lift today. After about 3 flights seeing the air is quite buoyant, I decided to get the 'ole Lovesong a try. I check and recheck the CG making sure it is somewhere close to the joiner rod. I check and recheck all throws and then finally the range check. All checks out ok... Now for the first hand toss... Nothing to write home about ... just kind of mushes into the grown... humm I say... more umph in that toss... Next toss I give it a good push and off it goes... some elevator trim and toss again. This one was MUCH better... I got several hundred feet out of the launch... My intention today was just to make sure the Lovesong is ready to go... but I said to myself... I'm going to put it up on the hi-start... Living by an old adage from a near and dear friend of mine.. Edward Ajamian... it either flies or dies... I add a bunch more paces on the hi-start.. now pulling at least 25 or more lbs... I hook the Lovesong to it ... last minute wiggle of the sticks... then I release... The Lovesong heads for the heavens like a homesick angle... It is steady as a rock... I get a few hundred feet on the first launch. Ahhh yes.. the Lovesong.. wow what a nice flying plane!!! Next thing I realize is I'm hooked into a light thermal and going up.. and up.. and up... I horse around with it just to become acquainted with the Lovesong.. I land only to find I had clocked 5 minutes... without trying!!! Back to the Aquila.. Jessica gets a few more flights and does ok... I'm still going through basics with Jessica but it is amazing how quickly she picks things up. I ended the day with 2 more flights on the Lovesong... Each flight about 7-10 min. By this time I was getting overly hot... the sun was out and humidity was way up. By about 2:30 pm I'm ready to call it quits. After packing up.. and driving out.. I'm leaving the field in triumph.. and a lesson learned... don't trust those weather-men... It was a great day... sorry for those who listened to the weather-men and stayed home. That's all for now Kurt W. Zimmerman Database Administrator www.RegionalHelpWanted.com,Inc http://www.regionalhelpwanted.com,inc/ . - Long Name. Amazing Results! - 2007 New York Technology Fast 50 Award - The Best Places to Work in New York 2007 - www.bestcompaniesNY.com http://www.bestcompaniesny.com/ . - WEDDLE's 2004, 2005 User's Choice Award Winner www.cupid.com http://www.cupid.com/
[RCSE] What does this mean for F3J WC?
I found the following while perusing the F3J WC Web Site: 1.. The World Cup 2008 - Junior Number of Initial rounds : 12 Number of Fly off : 6 Number of pilots for fly off: 8 No Zero Round === Number of rounds to count : 11 The World Cup 2008 - Senior Number of Initial rounds : 12 Number of Fly off : 6 Number of pilots for fly off: 11 No zero round === Number of rounds to count : 11 Does this mean that a pilot with a zero round can never make the flyoffs? Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What does this mean for F3J WC?
No Jim - The zero round used to be a practice round to let the competitors and the contest management get used to the way the rounds would be run, e.g. hearing the timing signals etc. There practice rounds did not count for score. Since most of the recent events have had a warm-up competition, the kinks are already out and there is no need for a practice round. Jim -Original Message- From: Jim Deck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:34 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] What does this mean for F3J WC? I found the following while perusing the F3J WC Web Site: 1.. The World Cup 2008 - Junior Number of Initial rounds : 12 Number of Fly off : 6 Number of pilots for fly off: 8 No Zero Round === Number of rounds to count : 11 The World Cup 2008 - Senior Number of Initial rounds : 12 Number of Fly off : 6 Number of pilots for fly off: 11 No zero round === Number of rounds to count : 11 Does this mean that a pilot with a zero round can never make the flyoffs? Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What does this mean for F3J WC?
Jim, In short it means no warm up round before the flyoffs. That's all. Discussed in this conversation: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834010 In particular, these posts: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10071398postcount=224 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10071735postcount=228 Jon Jim Deck wrote: I found the following while perusing the F3J WC Web Site: 1.. The World Cup 2008 - Junior Number of Initial rounds : 12 Number of Fly off : 6 Number of pilots for fly off: 8 No Zero Round === Number of rounds to count : 11 The World Cup 2008 - Senior Number of Initial rounds : 12 Number of Fly off : 6 Number of pilots for fly off: 11 No zero round === Number of rounds to count : 11 Does this mean that a pilot with a zero round can never make the flyoffs? Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] what tape for Ava tips so they don't peel?
Have been flying the Ava some more. What kind of tape do people use on the tips so that the edge of the covering doesn't peel up? I've been having that problem. Or perhaps I should run a bit of thin CA to seal the edges?? BTW, I saw that video of the guy launching his Ava like a DLG. It's really more like a hammer throw, as the idea is to use a loop of line from your hand to the tow hook and just hold the tip in place. Anyway, I tried it and it works fine, but it didn't somehow feel right so I didn't put any power in it. Got maybe 30 or 40 feet anyway. Suspect over 100 is possible if you pull out the stops. No wobbles or anything. Even tho my cg is quite conservative, however, it doesn't pull up much. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] what tape for Ava tips so they don't peel?
What you do is put one layer of tape on each panel before you put them together . Be careful to not tape the spoiler down :-) That way when you put the wing tips on you are taping to the existing tape and it doesn't pull the covering off... Been doing it like this for 3 years with no problems... Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have been flying the Ava some more. What kind of tape do people use on the tips so that the edge of the covering doesn't peel up? I've been having that problem. Or perhaps I should run a bit of thin CA to seal the edges?? BTW, I saw that video of the guy launching his Ava like a DLG. It's really more like a hammer throw, as the idea is to use a loop of line from your hand to the tow hook and just hold the tip in place. Anyway, I tried it and it works fine, but it didn't somehow feel right so I didn't put any power in it. Got maybe 30 or 40 feet anyway. Suspect over 100 is possible if you pull out the stops. No wobbles or anything. Even tho my cg is quite conservative, however, it doesn't pull up much. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] what tape for Ava tips so they don't peel?
Jim, I have been using the crystal clear tape for the under layer and the upper or hold together layer, on everything, painted or moneycoated surfaces alike. On painted surfaces it does not pull up paint. The covering on AVA's is Oracover, which is sold here in the States as Hanger Nine Lite, I think. Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: Jim Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have been flying the Ava some more. What kind of tape do people use on the tips so that the edge of the covering doesn't peel up? I've been having that problem. Or perhaps I should run a bit of thin CA to seal the edges?? You need to use an underlayer of tape to protect the covering and/or paint. The 3M tape that comes with the purple plaid insert in the dispenser, Satin Tape, 3/4 wide, available at most office supply stores. The advantages of this tape are; thin, frosty finish so that the tape actually used to hold the panels together peels off cleanly. Apply a full width to both sides of the joint, starting at the hinge line and wrapping around the leading edge an inch or so. I believe that most fliers use to strong a tape to hold the together. On a hard landing I like to see the tape split as this dissipates quite a bit of energy - even though removing the split tape is a PITA. I use the 3M Crystal Clear tape to hold the panels together. Your mileage may vary. Jim Porter Johnston Iowa USA The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall. Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What Does TMSS Stand For? Great Field, Great Guys and ....
Hi guys, Tidewater Model Soaring Society normally have a club contest on the second Saturday of each month and my schedule happened to put me on their field that day (after about an 1,100 mile drive to get there). The weather was looking like rain and wind, but all we got was windin the 20+ range for most of the day but the winds aloft were s much stronger that if you flew across the wind direction it pushed your sailplane back a ridiculous distance. It wasn't 'hard' to fly in, and there was lift to be found if you caught the cycle right. My host and club pres, Lenny Strickland was in the zone, he flew steady and well but he needed a 20 min flight in his last round to max...tough even for a Supra in those conditions. But right off the launch, he gained and gained. We got him in to thermal flow zone and he kind of worked the it, never just sitting, but moving to stay with it. He maintained about 1,200' for most of the flight, but the sky was now getting darker and seeing the model was iffy at best. He'd been flying on the left side of the field and he'd gotten his time, so we decided to move across to get in landing position and to get a clearer view of the model, but as I mentioned, as soon as he got abeam of the wind, the model faded wa down wind. The flight turned from a winning effort to a battle to get home. In the end he took a zero for being off field, landing in a pasture nearly a thousand feet from the landing zone but safe. I can tell you it took a lot of beer and ribs to get over that flight! :-). All of the pilots rose their games to the task, in the end it was Josh Glaab who took the biggest piece of wood with me being the usual bridesmaid :-). Fun had by all! They are going to run a new ESL date with a fun format aimed at every level of pilot skill May 17, 18th, and I have to tell you guys around the country, its time you come over to this field, its got a lot lift zones, and plenty of view in all directions. We tested the just-tuned Wade Winches today that they'll be using and all seemed uniform. They'll have retrievers so thing should move a long plenty quick. The Tidewater club has a rich history of LSF5's and top pilots as well as hobby contributors, so I pity the fools don't put this one on their schedule. Gordy Onward :-) **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850)
[RCSE] what I'm building... Restoring this winter :-)
Restoring my dads 1/3 scale 35 year old Aeronca C-3 and converting it to electric using 123 batteries and making it a tow plane for my brother Scott's scale gliders :-) Havn't decided on a motor yet but am thinking of using two Axi's on a common shaft... I want to finish it and fly it for my dad before he dies. And then get my Dad who is 84 a ride in a full scale Aeronca C-3 if you don't know about the Aeronca it was considered the first ultralight built back in 1936,,, Affectionately called the flying bathtub :-) I love my father and owe him everything And now I'm crying Craig
[RCSE] what are you building this winter?
I have all the materials to build a Bubble Dancer. Now I just have to make it a priority to get it done. This will be the most ambitious build I have ever undertaken. Ed Anderson
Re: [RCSE] what are you building this winter?
Aint building nuttinbut am repairingJim Larkin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: [RCSE] what are you building this winter? I have all the materials to build a Bubble Dancer. Now I just have to make it a priority to get it done. This will be the most ambitious build I have ever undertaken. Ed Anderson
Re: [RCSE] what are you building this winter?
Winter?? hahaha, we're melting down here in South America, 95F+ degs
Re: [RCSE] what are you building this winter?
Sailaire for Nats res. Big Tooth :-) Cal Ricardo Rodriguez W. wrote: Winter?? hahaha, we're melting down here in South America, 95F+ degs No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1221 - Release Date: 1/12/2008 2:04 PM -- LSF V #38 and #109, AMA LSFV, Amateur License KA8CLD LSF 2997 V, 6718 V, 7740 IV working on V LSF Coordinator for West Michigan Soaring Society Former LSF President, Treasurer, Secretary Le Gray award winner 2000, Spirit of Soaring award winner 2002 Masters of Soaring winner, Dan Pruss award winner Midwest Two Meter Champion 2006, Four times MSL Champion Michigan Soaring League Secretary for 25 years AMA Leader member and Contest Director, District VII WMSS Treasurer and former President Editor of our club Newsletter for over 30 years Club Web Page: http://www.rcsoaring.org/ Personal Web Page: http://www.altelco.net/~calplsf/index.html Retired Computer Network Manager/Teacher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What I am Building
Guys, Great thread for us here in the Midwest. I just finished up a new Electron II from Kennedy Composites and have a new 2.4 Friendly AVA on the board about to be finished right now. Have a XP4 to build for a friend and then will start on a new 60 All Carbon DS plane when done with the XP4. If I get really ambitious I may either restore an Old ASW 27 a friend gave me years ago or finish up my 100 Slope Racer. See Ya, Pat RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] what are you building this winter?
Finishing up re-building an Emerald, a Laser Arts Sovereign and a new Tim McCann winch. Dennis Hoyle WMSS AMA# SNUT www.rcsoaring.org
[RCSE] What Am I building building this winter
Grand Esprit, best looking nostalgia plane out there. Stan
Re: [RCSE] What Am I building building this winter
An Astro Jeff. I am making a building document (pics and narrative) thread anyone interested? Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration
Re: [RCSE] What Am I building building this winter
I just finished an R2 led sled for a friend and have a new R3 half built for me. Also slated is a 3M fox that needs a rebuild as well as a new La Fish for another friend. Then there is the new ridge runner for the combat season as well as my new BD5 shot kit. So many planes so little time. -- Original message -- From: Stan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grand Esprit, best looking nostalgia plane out there. Stan ---BeginMessage--- Grand Esprit, best looking nostalgia plane out there.Stan ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] what are you building this winter?
I have another original under way. It is a development of the LilAn that I developed over the last two years but incorporating some things I was experimenting with 30 years ago. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What if they had an LSF election and no one reported the results?
What kind of beer Gordy? Thats all I need to make the picture complete. Ya dog. :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:48:01 -0500Subject: [RCSE] What if they had an LSF election and no one reported the results?To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I am sitting on the 6 floor of a resort in Mexico Beach Florida, my room door open to the sea breeze, a cool beer and some ribs laid out on the balcony table, I'm thinking, Something is missing! Then it came to me, what the heck is the results of the LSF elections? Gordy Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007
[RCSE] What if they had an LSF election and no one reported the results?
While I am sitting on the 6 floor of a resort in Mexico Beach Florida, my room door open to the sea breeze, a cool beer and some ribs laid out on the balcony table, I'm thinking, Something is missing! Then it came to me, what the heck is the results of the LSF elections? Gordy **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
[RCSE] What makes it a really good RCSE Thanksgiving?
Our annual clubs annual nite fly! The guys come out with sailplanes and electrics, dressed with lights and glow sticks. High start is set up and a beacon flash light is on hand. Hot chocolates and coffee. Now that makes it a Thanksgiving worth reporting on RCSE ! :-) Hope your club makes it one too! Gordy Louisville today Sunday Providence -Thursday Pennsacola area **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
The .. IL, IN, OH, MO area is very fortunate to have the OVSS series still going strong. LOFT's monthly contest yesterday had nine or ten guys, hat's off to them for flying in the windy conditions. This area is also blessed with the MOM format at the Nats. Watch out for my new OLY lll woody kit. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast.. The contests were definitely more attainable then. My first CASA Open contest at the Polo Field had over 100 pilots. That was only 10 years ago. I got many of my contest points at the monthly CASA contest at Manassas Battlefield. Now finding even 10 pilots for a monthly contest anywhere in VA is nearly impossible. Winning a monthly club contest was a lot easier than the ESL or a NATS. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast.. In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:06:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. I don't think it would have been all that different - we have certainly not found the established tasks all that daunting! Weak lift? - I logged 1 hour+ thermal flights on each of 12 consecutive summer weekend days back when, just for the fun of it (most with only one launch). I've also beat an hour on an overcast, chilly, and drizzly March day. For many years we (CASA) ran an XC event over a 32 mi course, yes it had tree canyons and tunnels, they go with the territory, they can be overcome (a good spotter/navigator helps). The course also had a nearly straight, mostly clear (only one tree canyon), 7.5 mile stretch over which several of us got our 10K GR. The Appalachian chain is hardly devoid of slope opportunities, I personally know of 4 sites where the 8 hr has been done multiple times. Mostly, it's having the will and commitment to watch the forecasts and GO when the wx is favorable for whatever. BTW, you have a significant error in your LSF history account for which I will post a correction shortly. Good Lift! Skip Schow ECSS/NSS 71-71, LSF 166 (V #46) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
The contests were definitely more attainable then. My first CASA Opencontest at the Polo Field hadover 100pilots. That wasonly 10 years ago. I got many of my contest points at the monthly CASA contest at Manassas Battlefield. Now findingeven 10 pilots for a monthly contest anywhere in VA is nearly impossible. Winning a monthly club contest was a lot easier than the ESL or a NATS. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast.. In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:06:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. I don't think it would have been all that different - we have certainly not found the established tasks all that daunting! Weak lift? - I logged 1 hour+ thermal flights on each of 12 consecutive summer weekend days back when, just for the fun of it (most with only one launch). I've also beat an hour on an overcast, chilly, and drizzly March day. For many years we (CASA) ran an XC event over a 32 mi course, yes it had tree canyons and tunnels, they go with the territory, they can be overcome (a good spotter/navigator helps). The course also had anearly straight, mostly clear (only one tree canyon),7.5 mile stretch over which several of us got our 10K GR. The Appalachian chain is hardly devoid of slope opportunities, I personally know of4 sites where the 8 hr has been done multiple times. Mostly, it's having the will and commitment to watch the forecasts and GO when the wx is favorable for whatever. BTW, you have a significant error in your LSF history account for which I will post a correction shortly. Good Lift! Skip Schow ECSS/NSS71-71, LSF 166 (V #46) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
At 05:50 AM 9/17/2006, you wrote: The contests were definitely more attainable then. My first CASA Open contest at the Polo Field had over 100 pilots. That was only 10 years ago. I got many of my contest points at the monthly CASA contest at Manassas Battlefield. Now finding even 10 pilots for a monthly contest anywhere in VA is nearly impossible. Winning a monthly club contest was a lot easier than the ESL or a NATS. T Don't forget that the LSF was formed in the late 60's and there were fewer real experts back then. We were all beginners.I was thinking of the slope and cross country tasks. All were definitely doable in the East but would the members of the ECSS have set a different set of tasks more suited to East coast conditions there rather than slope sites like Tory Pines and the wide open spaces of much of California? Much of what is now Silicon Valley was still farms and orchards as late as 1970. I remember flying pattern ships on a model field near the Lockheed Missile Plant there. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:06:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. I don't think it would have been all that different - we have certainly not found the established tasks all that daunting! Weak lift? - I logged 1 hour+ thermal flights on each of 12 consecutive summer weekend days back when, just for the fun of it (most with only one launch). I've also beat an hour on an overcast, chilly, and drizzly March day. For many years we (CASA) ran an XC event over a 32 mi course, yes it had tree canyons and tunnels, they go with the territory, they can be overcome (a good spotter/navigator helps). The course also had anearly straight, mostly clear (only one tree canyon),7.5 mile stretch over which several of us got our 10K GR. The Appalachian chain is hardly devoid of slope opportunities, I personally know of4 sites where the 8 hr has been done multiple times. Mostly, it's having the will and commitment to watch the forecasts and GO when the wx is favorable for whatever. BTW, you have a significant error in your LSF history account for which I will post a correction shortly. Good Lift! Skip Schow ECSS/NSS71-71, LSF 166 (V #46)
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
Then why the H*ll does it seem that Ohio Valley think its their play thing. Larrys - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:04 AM Subject: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast.. What would the tasks have been if LSF had been born on the East Coast? LSF was formed as a local California group to promote sailplane flying back in 1969 and the achievement tasks were developed to suit local conditions that allowed long thermal flights, long slope flights, and lots of wide open spaces for cross country. At that time, the other major group promoting soaring was the East Coast Soaring Society. Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
Since I am on the East Coast of Maine that would have been very interesting indeed.-- KenYork County SoaringLighthorse Team YCSSilence is Golden On 9/14/06, Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What wouldthe tasks have been if LSF had been born on the EastCoast?LSF was formed as a local California group to promotesailplane flying back in 1969 and the achievement tasks weredeveloped to suit local conditions that allowed long thermal flights, long slope flights, and lots of wide open spaces for crosscountry.At that time, the other major group promoting soaring wasthe East Coast Soaring Society. Imagine what tasks ECSSwould havedevelopedforthe weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads ofPennsylvania, New York, and New England.Chuck Anderson
[RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
What would the tasks have been if LSF had been born on the East Coast? LSF was formed as a local California group to promote sailplane flying back in 1969 and the achievement tasks were developed to suit local conditions that allowed long thermal flights, long slope flights, and lots of wide open spaces for cross country. At that time, the other major group promoting soaring was the East Coast Soaring Society. Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master's????
Joe Good to hear... Is anyone putting a list of what to bring??? Dr. Danny Williams D.C."Silence is golden, But Duck tape is silver"Colorado Springs, Colorado Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:33:16 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Soaring@airage.comSubject: Re: [RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master'sMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]got ya covered for Sat night.Joe Dirr--JD
Re: [RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master's????
got ya covered for Sat night. Joe Dirr -- JD Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be camping there, so if there is a BBQ, I'll eat it! :) ben wilson louisville area soaring society http://www.louisvillesoaring.org Danny C Williams wrote: I was just thinking / wondering ( I know a rare thing...thinking that is...but anyway ) Is anyone going to do a BBQ at the WSM Dr. Danny Williams D.C. Silence is golden, But Duck tape is silver Colorado Springs, Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master's????
I'll be sure to bring some Wisconsin brewed beer. At 01:33 PM 9/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: got ya covered for Sat night. Joe Dirr -- JD Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be camping there, so if there is a BBQ, I'll eat it! :) ben wilson louisville area soaring society http://www.louisvillesoaring.org Danny C Williams wrote: I was just thinking / wondering ( I know a rare thing...thinking that is...but anyway ) Is anyone going to do a BBQ at the WSM Dr. Danny Williams D.C. Silence is golden, But Duck tape is silver Colorado Springs, Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master's????
I'll be camping there, so if there is a BBQ, I'll eat it! :) ben wilson louisville area soaring society http://www.louisvillesoaring.org Danny C Williams wrote: I was just thinking / wondering ( I know a rare thing...thinking that is...but anyway ) Is anyone going to do a BBQ at the WSM Dr. Danny Williams D.C. Silence is golden, But Duck tape is silver Colorado Springs, Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master's????
I was just thinking / wondering ( I know a rare thing...thinking that is...but anyway ) Is anyone going to do a BBQ at the WSM Dr. Danny Williams D.C. Silence is golden, But Duck tape is silver Colorado Springs, Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What is Johnny Berlin's e mail address
I just lost my dog, and feel his pain. Stan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What IS it with French girls and servos?
Jim, What a sad sad picture for me. I spent vacations in 1978, 1979, and 1980 on that beach. Arguably, one of the most beautiful beaches in the world at the time! My wife and I would hike in and walk the beach to collect the flotsam each day and haul it out with us as we left in the evening. It was pure nature, and the French laws had restricted construction and designated it as an area that was not to be built on. I have intentionally avoided Orient Beach from November of 1980 when I witnessed the first of the developments opening. Money talks, and I'm sure there was a lot involved. It is now built up from end to end. I have seen footage of the Progress that has ensued. What a sad outcome for the nesting turtles, birds, and the wide range of wetland wildlife that found sheltered and habitat on that beach. It's amazing what man can call progress, and how fast we can destroy what nature built over the ages. Everyone, please help protect preserve nature and wildlife that depend on it. After all, we depend on nature for our sport. John -Original Message- From: Jim Laurel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:00 PM To: RCSE Yahoo Subject: [RCSE] What IS it with French girls and servos? http://www.twango.com/media.aspx?channelname=KDC.publicmedia=KDC.10091 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] what wt. glass to use on 1/4 scale fuse?
I'm building a 1/4 scale sailplane fuse, about 60 long and 6.3 wide at widest point with a T-tail (fin is part of fuse). It's a Glasflugel H-401 Kestrel 17. I'm using the lost foam method. I want to keep it light, but strong. What would be recommended weights of fiberglass cloth and how many layers to use at various areas in the fuselage? I was thinking of using 1.5 oz as the outside layer to make finishing easier (fine weave). Please help! Bob -- Bob Brown Bob Brown's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=80875 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467291 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building?
Thought its time for a new thread since it is building season I'll start. My favorite tool for building/ working with wood is a Stanley 60 1/2 low angle block plane. It gets more use than the sanding blocks, able to take off super thin shavings. I use it for shaping, trimming. Set it on edge against a shooting block and you can square and true balsa, plywood, etc. Its designed to trim end grain for regular wood projects, but for modeling its small enough to cover a wider range of uses when working with the size of wood we use in building. What is your favorite tool?? good lift, Tom attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building?
Ed, I don't think its a shameless plug at all. The Davis is a great tool I have a Davis plane and use it quite often. There are areas where I use it. Its simply not as comfortable in my hand (I do a lot of regular woodworking) And I hone my Stanley sharper than the razor blades on the Davis which dull far faster. But I use both, side by side. the Davis is the backup. Plus it has angles, which I can't get with the STanley - designed for straight and flat.The Davis is more universal and less expensive. Both are great. Stanley first , Davis second. Its hard to do without both tom -Original Message- From: Ed Berris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:46 PM To: Tom Moore Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Tom, you and I are on the same wave length. My favorite tool is a David Razor Plane. It's one of those tools that just feels right in your hand. But it also cuts through balsa, basswood, spruce like butter. I've tried all the small planes from England, Germany, Switzerland and the USA but this import made me get rid of all the others. I've used one for years. I liked it so well that I now import them myself. I operate www.skykingrcproducts.com and have them listed on my web site. Now I know what you may be thinking. This reply is just a shameless plug to sell something. It's not. I do have one other tool that I'm sure everyone reading this thread has at least one of and maybe two or three. My Dremel tool gets used every day I'm in my shop. I have one set up in a Bishop Cochran plunge base. I have another set up for use with my Perecman servo cut-out tool, another one is set up with a shaft drive and the last one is just plain. I should own some Dremel stock. I have several other tools that I really like but my number one choice goes to the David Plane. It's a gem. Ed - Original Message - From: Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Thought its time for a new thread since it is building season I'll start. My favorite tool for building/ working with wood is a Stanley 60 1/2 low angle block plane. It gets more use than the sanding blocks, able to take off super thin shavings. I use it for shaping, trimming. Set it on edge against a shooting block and you can square and true balsa, plywood, etc. Its designed to trim end grain for regular wood projects, but for modeling its small enough to cover a wider range of uses when working with the size of wood we use in building. What is your favorite tool?? good lift, Tom No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building?
A sledge hammer - great for opening those stubborn bottles of CA :~)Dan Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought its time for a new thread since it is building seasonI'll start. My favorite tool for building/ working with wood is a Stanley 60 1/2 lowangle block plane. It gets more use than the sanding blocks, able to takeoff super thin shavings. I use it for shaping, trimming. Set it on edgeagainst a shooting block and you can square and true balsa, plywood, etc. Its designed to trim end grain for regular wood projects, but for modelingits small enough to cover a wider range of uses when working with the sizeof wood we use in building.What is your favorite tool??good lift,Tom Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
Re: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building?
I just pick up a power planer ; http://www.greatplanes.com/accys/gpmr4030.html I wasn't really expecting much, but this thing works like a charm. I'm building a CA Sloper right now, and it has a basswwood LE and ply sheeting. I was able to plan the LE right down to the sheeting, then had VERY little to hand sand. Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Berris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Ed, I don't think its a shameless plug at all. The Davis is a great tool I have a Davis plane and use it quite often. There are areas where I use it. Its simply not as comfortable in my hand (I do a lot of regular woodworking) And I hone my Stanley sharper than the razor blades on the Davis which dull far faster. But I use both, side by side. the Davis is the backup. Plus it has angles, which I can't get with the STanley - designed for straight and flat.The Davis is more universal and less expensive. Both are great. Stanley first , Davis second. Its hard to do without both tom -Original Message- From: Ed Berris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:46 PM To: Tom Moore Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Tom, you and I are on the same wave length. My favorite tool is a David Razor Plane. It's one of those tools that just feels right in your hand. But it also cuts through balsa, basswood, spruce like butter. I've tried all the small planes from England, Germany, Switzerland and the USA but this import made me get rid of all the others. I've used one for years. I liked it so well that I now import them myself. I operate www.skykingrcproducts.com and have them listed on my web site. Now I know what you may be thinking. This reply is just a shameless plug to sell something. It's not. I do have one other tool that I'm sure everyone reading this thread has at least one of and maybe two or three. My Dremel tool gets used every day I'm in my shop. I have one set up in a Bishop Cochran plunge base. I have another set up for use with my Perecman servo cut-out tool, another one is set up with a shaft drive and the last one is just plain. I should own some Dremel stock. I have several other tools that I really like but my number one choice goes to the David Plane. It's a gem. Ed - Original Message - From: Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Thought its time for a new thread since it is building season I'll start. My favorite tool for building/ working with wood is a Stanley 60 1/2 low angle block plane. It gets more use than the sanding blocks, able to take off super thin shavings. I use it for shaping, trimming. Set it on edge against a shooting block and you can square and true balsa, plywood, etc. Its designed to trim end grain for regular wood projects, but for modeling its small enough to cover a wider range of uses when working with the size of wood we use in building. What is your favorite tool?? good lift, Tom No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building?
Come on guys, it's a Visa or Master Card! :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:40 PM To: Tom Moore; Ed Berris Cc: Soaring Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? I just pick up a power planer ; http://www.greatplanes.com/accys/gpmr4030.html I wasn't really expecting much, but this thing works like a charm. I'm building a CA Sloper right now, and it has a basswwood LE and ply sheeting. I was able to plan the LE right down to the sheeting, then had VERY little to hand sand. Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Berris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Ed, I don't think its a shameless plug at all. The Davis is a great tool I have a Davis plane and use it quite often. There are areas where I use it. Its simply not as comfortable in my hand (I do a lot of regular woodworking) And I hone my Stanley sharper than the razor blades on the Davis which dull far faster. But I use both, side by side. the Davis is the backup. Plus it has angles, which I can't get with the STanley - designed for straight and flat.The Davis is more universal and less expensive. Both are great. Stanley first , Davis second. Its hard to do without both tom -Original Message- From: Ed Berris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:46 PM To: Tom Moore Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Tom, you and I are on the same wave length. My favorite tool is a David Razor Plane. It's one of those tools that just feels right in your hand. But it also cuts through balsa, basswood, spruce like butter. I've tried all the small planes from England, Germany, Switzerland and the USA but this import made me get rid of all the others. I've used one for years. I liked it so well that I now import them myself. I operate www.skykingrcproducts.com and have them listed on my web site. Now I know what you may be thinking. This reply is just a shameless plug to sell something. It's not. I do have one other tool that I'm sure everyone reading this thread has at least one of and maybe two or three. My Dremel tool gets used every day I'm in my shop. I have one set up in a Bishop Cochran plunge base. I have another set up for use with my Perecman servo cut-out tool, another one is set up with a shaft drive and the last one is just plain. I should own some Dremel stock. I have several other tools that I really like but my number one choice goes to the David Plane. It's a gem. Ed - Original Message - From: Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Thought its time for a new thread since it is building season I'll start. My favorite tool for building/ working with wood is a Stanley 60 1/2 low angle block plane. It gets more use than the sanding blocks, able to take off super thin shavings. I use it for shaping, trimming. Set it on edge against a shooting block and you can square and true balsa, plywood, etc. Its designed to trim end grain for regular wood projects, but for modeling its small enough to cover a wider range of uses when working with the size of wood we use in building. What is your favorite tool?? good lift, Tom No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building?
My favorite tool is my hands. There are an infinite number of attachments that can connect to them to take care of any job you may have in mind. Mark __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Dremel Tool That is until I got my Li-Ion battery operated unit for xmas, cordless bliss!!! My favorite tool is my hands. There are an infinite number of attachments that can connect to them to take care of any job you may have in mind. Mark __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Best Regards, Russ Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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my favorite tool is, well...never mind Dan wrote: A sledge hammer - great for opening those stubborn bottles of CA :~) Dan Tom Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought its time for a new thread since it is building season I'll start. My favorite tool for building/ working with wood is a Stanley 60 1/2 low angle block plane. It gets more use than the sanding blocks, able to take off super thin shavings. I use it for shaping, trimming. Set it on edge against a shooting block and you can square and true balsa, plywood, etc. Its designed to trim end grain for regular wood projects, but for modeling its small enough to cover a wider range of uses when working with the size of wood we use in building. What is your favorite tool?? good lift, Tom Yahoo! DSL http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=37474/*http://promo.yahoo.com/broadband/ Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Title: RE: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? My favorite tool for building is my Magic Magnet Building Board made by Eldon J Lind Co. Ive got two boards and use both if I want to build fast (build both wings at the same time). It is great in holding the parts straight until I hit it with CA. Ive been using these building boards for over 15 years now and really am satisfied with them. Aloha to all on RCSE, Al Battad AMA #506981 _ From: Tom Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:10 PM To: Soaring Subject: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building? Thought its time for a new thread since it is building season I'll start. My favorite tool for building/ working with wood is a Stanley 60 1/2 low angle block plane. It gets more use than the sanding blocks, able to take off super thin shavings. I use it for shaping, trimming. Set it on edge against a shooting block and you can square and true balsa, plywood, etc. Its designed to trim end grain for regular wood projects, but for modeling its small enough to cover a wider range of uses when working with the size of wood we use in building. What is your favorite tool?? good lift, Tom
RE: [RCSE] What is your favorite tool for building?
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RE: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Barry is right, 6Vvs. 4.8V has nothing to with servo life. More folks are flying 6V now than probably anytime, and from what the guys have told me at JR, our servos can handle voltages much higher than 6V. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
You had a full carbon Pike. Phil had one of the ligther ones. The problem is the layup on the really light ones just isn't suited to a zoom in the wind. Marta Zavala wrote: Ive hit my F3J full carbon Pike very hard in a breeze during launch and have yet to experience any control surface flutter. I dont go really deep into the bucket on zoom though, especially in wind. Not because of the wing flutter issue Phil experienced, but because it seems to me a short quick zoom/ping off the line always results in higher launches for me. Ride that zoom deep into the bucket and perhaps youve lost much of that stored line energy? Plus you may just flutter your wing off. Just my stupid opinion. Walter - Original Message - From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Ford Long shaft winch, strong winch battery, short (600ft?) 240 lb test braided winch line, no retriever, bit of a breeze. All of that in combination with an agressive (even abusive), unpracticed launch style that generally involved diving too deeply on the zoom and most importantly a model with very heavy ailerons that had a strong tendency to flutter. Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. This happened repeatedly even after switching to DS368 servos. The HS5125s stripped on the first launch. The DS368s survived a few of those launches although the lighter servo arms did not survive, the servo mounts did not survive and finally, after going beefy on the servo arms and on the servo mountings, the control horns in the ailerons ripped out. I kept trying to beef up the aileron servos and mountings because I was stuck on Long island with only the Pike to fly and it was my mind-set that molded models were buy and fly and the Pike was an F3J model that should be able to handle any launch you can give it. It isn't pulling hard on launch that strips the gears. With the Pike Superior SL it is the going really fast that does the trick. The biggest problem on that particular model seamed to be that the ailerons were really heavy which is bad from a flutter perspective. David Hobby (current F3J world champion and Pike flyer) suggested using longer horns on the ailerons. I never tried that since I sold the model first. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Last night Cal Posthuma and I were discussing the situation with the smaller digital servos. We've never had problems with them however, one of our fellow flyers did. He was using a larger battey pack, I think it was a 6 volt, to get more zip out of the contol surfaces and burned out some servos. We have been using the standard 4.8 volt with no problems. Dennis Hoyle WMSS Treasurer / Sec / Web Geek www.rcsoaring.org
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
You don't say what servos were fried with 6V. I run 6V, as do many others, on DS368s and DS168s with no problem for two seasons. I have the 168s on ailerons on an Icon with RDS. Tight, no slope, no problems. Barry Andersen Cincinnati Soaring Society On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night Cal Posthuma and I were discussing the situation with the smaller digital servos. We've never had problems with them however, one of our fellow flyers did. He was using a larger battey pack, I think it was a 6 volt, to get more zip out of the contol surfaces and burned out some servos. We have been using the standard 4.8 volt with no problems. Dennis Hoyle WMSS Treasurer / Sec / Web Geek www.rcsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What are we doing to kill servos?
He was using a larger battery pack, I think it was a 6 volt, to get more zip out of the contol surfaces and burned out some servos. We have been using the standard 4.8 volt with no problems. Good observation! The whole 6 volt thing came about as mostly a marketing ploy years back to show that one brand's servo had more of everything, you'll notice none of them suggest 5 cells. For Pattern flyers of the day, it meant a lot to get any bit of performance out of the servos available at the time and since the servos were not tiny little bits like we use (servo motors as big as your thumb, versus our whole servos as big as your thumb) so they could handle the added current loads. There is nothing 'wrong' with using5 cells, you just have to understand that nothing you get is free, that includes the faster speed and increased torque that 5 cells provide, although it is interesting that all brands that we use offer far more speed and torque today at 4.8v than any servo did for our use in the past when 5 cells became a 'performance trick'...yet guys still use 5 cells to get moremore what is the question. If a servo moves faster than our thumbs, what's the advantage? Digital servo's 'holding' power will burn up their motor brushes, burn up their amplifiers and your wing, break down the contacts in the switch or connector or run down your system battery in flight before giving up their positions, having and extra 1.2+ volts helps that how? This is one of those inarguable advantages, 5 cells gives you more torque and more speed, so it must be good because those are good things and good can't be bad...to infinity :-) Again using 5 cells is not bad, its just a choice with possible bad consequences. All that being blabbed, the realblame for current servo failures in our servos ismostly due to: New molded models are now taken for granted.And because of that loads on all of our equipment but mostly the working parts ( our servos) are being asked to work more often and harder by a huge multiple than ever before. Servos got smaller and more powerful, two things you wouldn't do if you were designing electrical power units for durability. You can see why the trend is now to make wing servos with mounting lugs...so you can replace them without destroying your model. DON"T glue servos in, unless you can get them out during a contest for a swap...and you none blue guys, carry a soldering gun along :-) Which brings us to the realityservos are now replacement items. For the cost we expect them (like the good old days) to last ...forever, instead of a season or half which is a fair life time if you fly a lot or have binding, or over driving end points stalling the servo or stall the servo once in the grass. All of those things spike the power that collects in the servo's electrical components...turning them into heating elements, charring switch inner contacts, heating the tiny pin/sockets of our connectors. The fact is that servo mfg'rs have researched and searched for different motors and components...the good news? When the Mars lander comes back with that new metal, none of this will be a problem, but right now we are stuck with the materials available on Earth, and that's what's being used in our servos today. :-) Hitecs thins, JR thins, doesn't make much difference..they both have 'thin' parts inside. If you can fit a Micro Maxx, or 368 or some other 'thick' the wing bump is worth the value of the extra durability. Servo bumps are not going to cost you 30secs in a 10 min task or any landing points. Think hard about your servo choices, make thin-ness way down in the servo choice decision category. Consider your place on the score board...top ten guys interestingly don't have thin servo problems, so they'll always chose thin. The rest of us need to fly enough to learn how to read the air and to gain the thumb skills that allow those guys to win with foamies and non digital servos :-) Anyone out there think DP or JW wouldn't have won their last season's contests if they hadn't had digital servos, or thin servos? You can only make a watch so strong, get jiggy with that concept and you'll be far less disappointed when a servo gets killed (killed, because they don't just die :-) Gordy
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Did he ever measure the current draw on his model. If you have binding surfaces, you are going to be pumping a lot of current through the servos constantly. A 6-servo model at idle should be under 100 ma total. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night Cal Posthuma and I were discussing the situation with the smaller digital servos. We've never had problems with them however, one of our fellow flyers did. He was using a larger battey pack, I think it was a 6 volt, to get more zip out of the contol surfaces and burned out some servos. We have been using the standard 4.8 volt with no problems. Dennis Hoyle WMSS Treasurer / Sec / Web Geek www.rcsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Thats exactly why I chose full on carbon version. None the less, under the right conditions with a heavy foot I suppose one could flutter the wing off of it as well. I know they are strong, but to me still scary, grab the wing too hard, and believe me it isnt that hard, they exhibit a crispy/crunchy sound ala the snap, crackle, pop of Rice Krispies! That concerns me. My Icon never did that. I would sell it except nobody seems to want a excellent condition Pike anymore, especially with Barry bringing in the Supra now. If it does decent at the worlds maybe there will be some renewed intrest then I could dump the thing. Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? You had a full carbon Pike. Phil had one of the ligther ones. The problem is the layup on the really light ones just isn't suited to a zoom in the wind. Marta Zavala wrote: Ive hit my F3J full carbon Pike very hard in a breeze during launch and have yet to experience any control surface flutter. I dont go really deep into the bucket on zoom though, especially in wind. Not because of the wing flutter issue Phil experienced, but because it seems to me a short quick zoom/ping off the line always results in higher launches for me. Ride that zoom deep into the bucket and perhaps youve lost much of that stored line energy? Plus you may just flutter your wing off. Just my stupid opinion. Walter - Original Message - From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Ford Long shaft winch, strong winch battery, short (600ft?) 240 lb test braided winch line, no retriever, bit of a breeze. All of that in combination with an agressive (even abusive), unpracticed launch style that generally involved diving too deeply on the zoom and most importantly a model with very heavy ailerons that had a strong tendency to flutter. Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. This happened repeatedly even after switching to DS368 servos. The HS5125s stripped on the first launch. The DS368s survived a few of those launches although the lighter servo arms did not survive, the servo mounts did not survive and finally, after going beefy on the servo arms and on the servo mountings, the control horns in the ailerons ripped out. I kept trying to beef up the aileron servos and mountings because I was stuck on Long island with only the Pike to fly and it was my mind-set that molded models were buy and fly and the Pike was an F3J model that should be able to handle any launch you can give it. It isn't pulling hard on launch that strips the gears. With the Pike Superior SL it is the going really fast that does the trick. The biggest problem on that particular model seamed to be that the ailerons were really heavy which is bad from a flutter perspective. David Hobby (current F3J world champion and Pike flyer) suggested using longer horns on the ailerons. I never tried that since I sold the model first. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re:Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Hi Michael Al No, I didn't measure the voltage. I did work all my surfaces by hand till they were moving freely. I was using a 6 volt pack in the Ventus and I still am. All my problems went away when I changed over to analog servos. One thing I did notice when using Digitals were the servo were getting hot inside the wings that you could feel thru the wing skin. I diden't like that Al - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? Did he ever measure the current draw on his model. If you have binding surfaces, you are going to be pumping a lot of current through the servos constantly. A 6-servo model at idle should be under 100 ma total. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night Cal Posthuma and I were discussing the situation with the smaller digital servos. We've never had problems with them however, one of our fellow flyers did. He was using a larger battey pack, I think it was a 6 volt, to get more zip out of the contol surfaces and burned out some servos. We have been using the standard 4.8 volt with no problems. Dennis Hoyle WMSS Treasurer / Sec / Web Geek www.rcsoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Agreed, operating at the higher voltage requires more careful consideration. I have seen situations where 5125's smoked when the control surfaces hung up because of the wiper, or two 5125's were operating a single surface but in the opposite(!) directions during set-up (more smoke), crashes where the servos was being stalled and started smoking, etc (don't meander making your way to a crash site). They will not tolerate this for an extended length of time, nor do other similar servos under similar circumstances. No one can expect servos to stand this sort of abuse, more importantly it certainly is not the servos fault. I elect to supply 5cell voltage to all my 5125's and similar sized servos and larger because of the significant performance gains. A servo that can resist uncommanded mowement sooner will impact directly on control surface position and potential flutter. The frequency at which flutter may occur is pushed higher the more restricted the movement of a control surface. It's also a misnomer that these servos are mechanicaly or electrically ill-equipped to handle the voltage of a typical 5cell NiCD pack. After many years in many different types of aircraft and all the brands available, I have yet to experience anomalies of any sort that could be attributed to operating at the higher voltage recommended by the manufacturer. Folks can elect to install a regulator if it makes them feel better, but the introduction of a linear-based power dissipating IC between the source and load without redundancy is (electrically) not for me. The current quality of servos available to us from all marques continue to improve. Singling out a marque and calling it crap as someone stated just leads to a silly pissing contest and clouds the issue. It's easier to install a fatter servo like the 368, as there is less chance of a problem precisely as a result of it being beefier. Let's not confuse the issue by diminishing the abilities of the thinner servo. Again...it is not the servos fault! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night Cal Posthuma and I were discussing the situation with the smaller digital servos. We've never had problems with them however, one of our fellow flyers did. He was using a larger battey pack, I think it was a 6 volt, to get more zip out of the contol surfaces and burned out some servos. We have been using the standard 4.8 volt with no problems. Dennis Hoyle WMSS Treasurer / Sec / Web Geek www.rcsoaring.org -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
The 5125 is advertised as having the unbreakable MP gear train. When I did an autopsy on my 5125, that specific gear was in tact. The one next to it, however, was stripped, and it was metal. This happened with a number of other pilots in our club. Our conclusion was that there had to be a poor quality metal for the batch of servos we received. I have heard folks say that they have had good runs with this servo and I'm sure it is true. Maybe their was a time period in which a lower grade metal was used? None of them had motor problems; all had stripped gears. We were not landing them hard, but maybe the holding power works against them in a solid installation. The gear train was the first to give. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Radius Systems Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:37:15 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? The current quality of servos available to us from all marques continue to improve. Singling out a marque and calling it crap as someone stated just leads to a silly pissing contest and clouds the issue. It's easier to install a fatter servo like the 368, as there is less chance of a problem precisely as a result of it being beefier. Let's not confuse the issue by diminishing the abilities of the thinner servo. Again...it is not the servos fault! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
In these cases, I'm would expect an OEM to stand behind their product. Did they? John Erickson wrote: The 5125 is advertised as having the unbreakable MP gear train. When I did an autopsy on my 5125, that specific gear was in tact. The one next to it, however, was stripped, and it was metal. This happened with a number of other pilots in our club. Our conclusion was that there had to be a poor quality metal for the batch of servos we received. I have heard folks say that they have had good runs with this servo and I'm sure it is true. Maybe their was a time period in which a lower grade metal was used? None of them had motor problems; all had stripped gears. We were not landing them hard, but maybe the holding power works against them in a solid installation. The gear train was the first to give. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Radius Systems Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:37:15 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? The current quality of servos available to us from all marques continue to improve. Singling out a marque and calling it crap as someone stated just leads to a silly pissing contest and clouds the issue. It's easier to install a fatter servo like the 368, as there is less chance of a problem precisely as a result of it being beefier. Let's not confuse the issue by diminishing the abilities of the thinner servo. Again...it is not the servos fault! -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
-Original Message- From: Tom Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:36 AM To: Soaring Exchange Subject: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? Damn...what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? I used the Hitec 5125s on the ailerons of my first Pike Superior (mainly because I was lazy and the JR 168 leads were too short) and never had a problem for two years. They get killed the first time out with the plane's new owner. Other flyers gripe about constant gear stripping. Tom, I have not seen your launch but I have seen Phil's. I can see him breaking just about anything on that launch. See: www.SoarCASA.org/frame.htm. Picture doesn't do it justice. Bert RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
I have used a total of 6 5125s/ds168s - four of the 5125 and two 168, they all stripped, within weeks of install. They are nothing but crap in my book. Walter - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? Damn...what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? I used the Hitec 5125s on the ailerons of my first Pike Superior (mainly because I was lazy and the JR 168 leads were too short) and never had a problem for two years. They get killed the first time out with the plane's new owner. Other flyers gripe about constant gear stripping. I have the JR 168s on all four wing surfaces of my current Superior and it has had no problems, even flying at near full ballast in some pretty stiff winds (pulling hard enough to bust new braided line and some less than perfect landings thrown in). Granted, not F3J tows, but still... The JR 168s are on the ailerons of my current F3B ships and so far, so good. The 168s even survived the...um...demise of my first Furio (may it RIP) and that was a pretty violent pile-in. Enough to break the wing joiner in two and split both wings apart - tore an aileron loose and ripped one of the servos out of the wing. Both 168 servos were completely unscathed. Does not compute. Over. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
- Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Ford Long shaft winch, strong winch battery, short (600ft?) 240 lb test braided winch line, no retriever, bit of a breeze. All of that in combination with an agressive (even abusive), unpracticed launch style that generally involved diving too deeply on the zoom and most importantly a model with very heavy ailerons that had a strong tendency to flutter. Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. This happened repeatedly even after switching to DS368 servos. The HS5125s stripped on the first launch. The DS368s survived a few of those launches although the lighter servo arms did not survive, the servo mounts did not survive and finally, after going beefy on the servo arms and on the servo mountings, the control horns in the ailerons ripped out. I kept trying to beef up the aileron servos and mountings because I was stuck on Long island with only the Pike to fly and it was my mind-set that molded models were buy and fly and the Pike was an F3J model that should be able to handle any launch you can give it. It isn't pulling hard on launch that strips the gears. With the Pike Superior SL it is the going really fast that does the trick. The biggest problem on that particular model seamed to be that the ailerons were really heavy which is bad from a flutter perspective. David Hobby (current F3J world champion and Pike flyer) suggested using longer horns on the ailerons. I never tried that since I sold the model first. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
On 12/28/05, Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. If control surfaces are fluttering NO SERVO is long for this world, nor wing for that matter. Fix the flutter! Lighter surfaces help but the biggest thing is mass ballancing. When I built a Long-EZ (full size) is was made clear that the control surfaces MUST ballance in spec or they will flutter with the surface usually coming off and then other nasty things happening. At the speeds we are getting I expect to soon be seeing mass ballancing on surfaces soon. michael RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Hi Guys I just have to jump in here I killed 8 Hitec 5125 servos in my 5 meter Ventas 2 ax thank god it was on the bench before I got her in the air! After month's of trying to figure out what was the cause was wire size, connector plugs, bad solder joints. I finally changed out all the Hitec wing servos to Airtronics 141 servos and have never had a problem since! I'll never use the 5125 again in any plane I care about or fly hard. My two cents. Cheers Al - Original Message - From: Michael Neverdosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? On 12/28/05, Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. If control surfaces are fluttering NO SERVO is long for this world, nor wing for that matter. Fix the flutter! Lighter surfaces help but the biggest thing is mass ballancing. When I built a Long-EZ (full size) is was made clear that the control surfaces MUST ballance in spec or they will flutter with the surface usually coming off and then other nasty things happening. At the speeds we are getting I expect to soon be seeing mass ballancing on surfaces soon. michael RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Al, 5125's are not appropriate for such a large aircraft. This is not the servo's fault. Albert E. Wedworth wrote: Hi Guys I just have to jump in here I killed 8 Hitec 5125 servos in my 5 meter Ventas 2 ax thank god it was on the bench before I got her in the air! After month's of trying to figure out what was the cause was wire size, connector plugs, bad solder joints. I finally changed out all the Hitec wing servos to Airtronics 141 servos and have never had a problem since! I'll never use the 5125 again in any plane I care about or fly hard. My two cents. Cheers Al - Original Message - From: Michael Neverdosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? On 12/28/05, Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. If control surfaces are fluttering NO SERVO is long for this world, nor wing for that matter. Fix the flutter! Lighter surfaces help but the biggest thing is mass ballancing. When I built a Long-EZ (full size) is was made clear that the control surfaces MUST ballance in spec or they will flutter with the surface usually coming off and then other nasty things happening. At the speeds we are getting I expect to soon be seeing mass ballancing on surfaces soon. michael RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
I've just built 3 large scale planes, they sure don't give you much room in those wings to mount a very big servo. dh Al, 5125's are not appropriate for such a large aircraft. This is not the servo's fault. Albert E. Wedworth wrote: Hi Guys I just have to jump in here I killed 8 Hitec 5125 servos in my 5 meter Ventas 2 ax thank god it was on the bench before I got her in the air! After month's of trying to figure out what was the cause was wire size, connector plugs, bad solder joints. I finally changed out all the Hitec wing servos to Airtronics 141 servos and have never had a problem since! I'll never use the 5125 again in any plane I care about or fly hard. My two cents. Cheers Al - Original Message - From: Michael Neverdosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? On 12/28/05, Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. If control surfaces are fluttering NO SERVO is long for this world, nor wing for that matter. Fix the flutter! Lighter surfaces help but the biggest thing is mass ballancing. When I built a Long-EZ (full size) is was made clear that the control surfaces MUST ballance in spec or they will flutter with the surface usually coming off and then other nasty things happening. At the speeds we are getting I expect to soon be seeing mass ballancing on surfaces soon. michael RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Simon Van Leeuwen RADIUS SYSTEMS PnP SYSTEMS - The E-Harness of Choice Cogito Ergo Zooom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Ive hit my F3J full carbon Pike very hard in a breeze during launch and have yet to experience any control surface flutter. I dont go really deep into the bucket on zoom though, especially in wind. Not because of the wing flutter issue Phil experienced, but because it seems to me a short quick zoom/ping off the line always results in higher launches for me. Ride that zoom deep into the bucket and perhaps youve lost much of that stored line energy? Plus you may just flutter your wing off. Just my stupid opinion. Walter - Original Message - From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Ford Long shaft winch, strong winch battery, short (600ft?) 240 lb test braided winch line, no retriever, bit of a breeze. All of that in combination with an agressive (even abusive), unpracticed launch style that generally involved diving too deeply on the zoom and most importantly a model with very heavy ailerons that had a strong tendency to flutter. Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. This happened repeatedly even after switching to DS368 servos. The HS5125s stripped on the first launch. The DS368s survived a few of those launches although the lighter servo arms did not survive, the servo mounts did not survive and finally, after going beefy on the servo arms and on the servo mountings, the control horns in the ailerons ripped out. I kept trying to beef up the aileron servos and mountings because I was stuck on Long island with only the Pike to fly and it was my mind-set that molded models were buy and fly and the Pike was an F3J model that should be able to handle any launch you can give it. It isn't pulling hard on launch that strips the gears. With the Pike Superior SL it is the going really fast that does the trick. The biggest problem on that particular model seamed to be that the ailerons were really heavy which is bad from a flutter perspective. David Hobby (current F3J world champion and Pike flyer) suggested using longer horns on the ailerons. I never tried that since I sold the model first. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
What does an aircraft's size have to do with servo selection? Required servo torque should be determined by the force required on the control surface. A small aileron on a slow flying large airplane can be powered by a very small servo. A 5125 (or JR equivalent) is perfectly fine for the ailerons or elevator on Al's 5M Ventus. If two were used on each flap that would be fine as well. I would think that the rudder would want a little more than a 5125. -Ben Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: Al, 5125's are not appropriate for such a large aircraft. This is not the servo's fault. Albert E. Wedworth wrote: Hi Guys I just have to jump in here I killed 8 Hitec 5125 servos in my 5 meter Ventas 2 ax thank god it was on the bench before I got her in the air! After month's of trying to figure out what was the cause was wire size, connector plugs, bad solder joints. I finally changed out all the Hitec wing servos to Airtronics 141 servos and have never had a problem since! I'll never use the 5125 again in any plane I care about or fly hard. My two cents. Cheers Al - Original Message - From: Michael Neverdosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? On 12/28/05, Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. If control surfaces are fluttering NO SERVO is long for this world, nor wing for that matter. Fix the flutter! Lighter surfaces help but the biggest thing is mass ballancing. When I built a Long-EZ (full size) is was made clear that the control surfaces MUST ballance in spec or they will flutter with the surface usually coming off and then other nasty things happening. At the speeds we are getting I expect to soon be seeing mass ballancing on surfaces soon. michael RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Damn...what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? I used the Hitec 5125s on the ailerons of my first Pike Superior (mainly because I was lazy and the JR 168 leads were too short) and never had a problem for two years. They get killed the first time out with the plane's new owner. Other flyers gripe about constant gear stripping. I have the JR 168s on all four wing surfaces of my current Superior and it has had no problems, even flying at near full ballast in some pretty stiff winds (pulling hard enough to bust new braided line and some less than perfect landings thrown in). Granted, not F3J tows, but still... The JR 168s are on the ailerons of my current F3B ships and so far, so good. The 168s even survived the...um...demise of my first Furio (may it RIP) and that was a pretty violent pile-in. Enough to break the wing joiner in two and split both wings apart - tore an aileron loose and ripped one of the servos out of the wing. Both 168 servos were completely unscathed. Does not compute. Over. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What happened to bondo?
Title: RE: [RCSE] What happened to bondo? Try West Systems fillers. These are powders you mix into epoxy, like microballons. They have a big range of fillers, from super-tough structural fillers with lots of fiber in them to a fairing filler which is nice and light while still being very tough. You can get them at Marine-supply stores, and read about them at westsystem.com Matt -Original Message- From: Brent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:25 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] What happened to bondo? I'm doing a wing fairing on a scale ship, and I just did a small batch of short fiber Bondo - wow, does that stink. I hadn't used this since my old Torino (back in the 70-80s), and it used to be pink and fairly tame; at least that's what I remember. Now it's green, and my shop (the whole house) reeks. I think I passed out at some point, and I only mixed an apple sauce package worth. I think I'm committed now, but is there a better way? Epoxy and carbosil? I got the bondo tip from a pretty good scale ship guy, but he must have a better ventilation system than I do. I think I'm off to watch The Wall and listen to the Wizard of Oz... B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What happened to bondo?
I'm doing a wing fairing on a scale ship, and I just did a small batch of short fiber Bondo - wow, does that stink. I hadn't used this since my old Torino (back in the 70-80s), and it used to be pink and fairly tame; at least that's what I remember. Now it's green, and my shop (the whole house) reeks. I think I passed out at some point, and I only mixed an apple sauce package worth. I think I'm committed now, but is there a better way? Epoxy and carbosil? I got the bondo tip from a pretty good scale ship guy, but he must have a better ventilation system than I do. I think I'm off to watch The Wall and listen to the Wizard of Oz... B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What happened to bondo?
Brent, There's no-fiber, short fiber, and long-fiber versions of Bondo. The no-fiber is the creamy version you remember. Bondo and the competitive polyester body fillers are all heavier than you should use on a model aircraft. A mixture of epoxy and micro-balloons is much lighter and sands more easily. Mix the epoxy then stir in enough micro-balloons to make a dry, stiff mix. More micro-balloons makes for a lighter filler.More epoxy is wetter and heavier. For small spot filling (less weight build up), polyester spot filler is an air-dry product (no mixing) that comes in a tube. However, it also stinks... all polyester resin products do. Polyester is not house-friendly unless you live alone and have no sense of smell. Or, unless you want to live alone. Good luck, Tim - Original Message - From: Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] What happened to bondo? I'm doing a wing fairing on a scale ship, and I just did a small batch of short fiber Bondo - wow, does that stink. I hadn't used this since my old Torino (back in the 70-80s), and it used to be pink and fairly tame; at least that's what I remember. Now it's green, and my shop (the whole house) reeks. I think I passed out at some point, and I only mixed an apple sauce package worth. I think I'm committed now, but is there a better way? Epoxy and carbosil? I got the bondo tip from a pretty good scale ship guy, but he must have a better ventilation system than I do. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What happened to bondo?
I have not tried this for fairings, but I'd be tempted to use lightweight spackle for roughing in - and then maybe an epoxy/micro balloon mix for surface strength. Mark -Original Message- From: Tim Engel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:30 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] What happened to bondo? Brent, There's no-fiber, short fiber, and long-fiber versions of Bondo. The no-fiber is the creamy version you remember. Bondo and the competitive polyester body fillers are all heavier than you should use on a model aircraft. A mixture of epoxy and micro-balloons is much lighter and sands more easily. Mix the epoxy then stir in enough micro-balloons to make a dry, stiff mix. More micro-balloons makes for a lighter filler.More epoxy is wetter and heavier. For small spot filling (less weight build up), polyester spot filler is an air-dry product (no mixing) that comes in a tube. However, it also stinks... all polyester resin products do. Polyester is not house-friendly unless you live alone and have no sense of smell. Or, unless you want to live alone. Good luck, Tim - Original Message - From: Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] What happened to bondo? I'm doing a wing fairing on a scale ship, and I just did a small batch of short fiber Bondo - wow, does that stink. I hadn't used this since my old Torino (back in the 70-80s), and it used To... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What happened to bondo?
Many, Moe, Jack bought it all :~) DanTim Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brent,There's no-fiber, short fiber, and long-fiber versions of Bondo. Theno-fiber is the creamy version you remember.Bondo and the competitive polyester body fillers are all heavier than youshould use on a model aircraft. A mixture of epoxy and micro-balloons ismuch lighter and sands more easily. Mix the epoxy then stir in enoughmicro-balloons to make a dry, stiff mix. More micro-balloons makes for alighter filler. More epoxy is wetter and heavier.For small spot filling (less weight build up), polyester spot filler is anair-dry product (no mixing) that comes in a tube. However, it alsostinks... all polyester resin products do. Polyester is nothouse-friendly unless you live alone and have no sense of smell. Or,unless you want to live alone.Good luck,Tim- Original Message - From: "Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <SOARING@AIRAGE.COM>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:24 PMSubject: [RCSE] What happened to bondo? I'm doing a wing fairing on a scale ship, and I just did a small batch of short fiber Bondo - wow, does that stink. I hadn't used this since my old Torino (back in the 70-80s), and it usedto be pink and fairly tame; at least that's what I remember. Now it's green, and my shop (the whole house) reeks. I think I passed out at some point, and I only mixed an apple sauce package worth. I think I'm committed now, but is there a better way? Epoxy and carbosil? I got the bondo tip from a pretty good scale ship guy, but he must have a better ventilation system than I do.RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: [RCSE] What happened to bondo?
Try West Systems fillers. The 405 and 407 would be suitable for building up fillets that require some strength. If you just need to do some filling and want the easiest sanding, use the 410 microlight filler. It is easier to sand than microballons. Brent wrote: I'm doing a wing fairing on a scale ship, and I just did a small batch of short fiber Bondo - wow, does that stink. I hadn't used this since my old Torino (back in the 70-80s), and it used to be pink and fairly tame; at least that's what I remember. Now it's green, and my shop (the whole house) reeks. I think I passed out at some point, and I only mixed an apple sauce package worth. I think I'm committed now, but is there a better way? Epoxy and carbosil? I got the bondo tip from a pretty good scale ship guy, but he must have a better ventilation system than I do. I think I'm off to watch The Wall and listen to the Wizard of Oz... B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What happened to bondo?
At 9:24 PM -0400 10/25/05, Brent wrote: I'm doing a wing fairing on a scale ship, and I just did a small batch of short fiber Bondo - wow, does that stink. I hadn't used this since my old Torino (back in the 70-80s), and it used to be pink and fairly tame; at least that's what I remember. Now it's green, and my shop (the whole house) reeks. I think I passed out at some point, and I only mixed an apple sauce package worth. Try these: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cm/fillers.html I use the Superfil., it is light and sands easy. It will feather to nothing. Brian -- Brian Chan An Electric Airplane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What do thermals look like?
Those who have been around a while will recall that I've written several articles about thermals, some of which have been floating around on the Internet since before anybody had heard of the Web. The latest version, with some new graphics, is now up on my very crude website: http://cires.colorado.edu/~angevine Hopefully some folks will find it helpful and interesting. Those who maintain web sites with links to or copies of older versions should consider linking to the new version (John Derstine, maybe others?). Feedback is always welcome. Wayne Angevine Boulder, Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What happened to the system,
The RCSE worked fine for a week or two, suddenly this past weekend it quit again. How do I know? I am subscribed for the digest version on yahoo.com, I just read about 30 messages that did not come thru to this address. I tried re=subscribing no answer yet, 20 minutes or so later. Help Jerry Miller SOSS=Medford, OR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition...
Dick and all, Here is the link to the Queen Creek Old Buzzards event, photos of Dave Thornburg and others in action with his Sunbird, for the last time. http://www.skybench.com/sunbird/logo.jpg enjoy. Ray Hayes Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Dick Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition... Three or so years ago I traveled from Seattle to Visalia just to fly in a DLG fun fly on the first evening. I doubt that I will ever attend another NATS now that they are held so far away from the West Coast. I remember back when the LSF used to hold West coast contests in Santa Rosa CA and other locations. We even had a regional LSF contest in Seattle at the SASS field at 60 Acres South. I also traveled to Queen Creek Arizona in 200o to get the Old Buzzard's signature on my Sunbird Wing. I will probably remain a level 4 LSF (#557) forever unless I get really lucky in a bunch of bigger than normal West Coast contests. On the other hand, I have the memories of great West Coast contests in Vernon BC, Seattle, Salem, Santa Rosa, Richland, Spokane, etc. I remember the First year that Col. Thacker entered his Baby Bollis in Scale in California. I also remember him riding a bike around the pit area and having at least 4 changes of clothes during the day. I now live in Port Angeles, WA and have 5 parks I can fly my DLG within 2 miles of my house. No one I know within 30 miles of here even knows what a DLG is. Well, not exactly, Marc Mech is in the Bellingham area which is less than that by boat but a really long way by car. Harley Michaelis, Scobie Puchtler, Phil Pearson, Adam Weston, Tim Johnson, Sherman Knight, Bill Kuhlman, Dave Beardsley, Russ Young and many others from Washington State are well known on the Left Coast but do not seem to find Indiana in the summertime worth the effort. -- Dick Barker Port Angeles, WA - Turning HLG Around - Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Language: en In a message dated 8/3/2005 2:24:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From people's experience and unbiased opinions?, what would be the best organized competitions, meets, or fun flys have they encountered? Al, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go...
In a message dated 8/3/2005 2:24:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From people’s experience and unbiased opinions☺, what would be the best organized competitions, meets, or fun flys have they encountered? Al, I just ended 12 days in Muncie at the NATS. That is 12 days of competitive sailplane flying that included 13 events requiring 9 different models. Where else in the world can you do so much diversified flying in such a short time. Great flying, great people, great organization, great accommodations, good restaurants, challenging weather and an occasional piece of wood. Most events were MOM which means you only have to do better than the 9 guys standing next to you. What more could you ask for? Visalia is great and I would not miss it. One half trade show, one half carnival and one half contest, but limited to two days and two different models. Not MOM which means if you draw the first flight of the day you may be out of the contest in as little as 2 minutes and 50 seconds. Other contest like the Mid-South (Louisville next year), TNT (held at South Fork Ranch), and some OVSS events have multiple events for you to test your skills. What meds do you take for cabin fever? Don RichmondSan Diego, CA (Albuquerque, NM today)[EMAIL PROTECTED]hilaunch.com
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition...
Three or so years ago I traveled from Seattle to Visalia just to fly in a DLG fun fly on the first evening. I doubt that I will ever attend another NATS now that they are held so far away from the West Coast. I remember back when the LSF used to hold West coast contests in Santa Rosa CA and other locations. We even had a regional LSF contest in Seattle at the SASS field at 60 Acres South. I also traveled to Queen Creek Arizona in 200o to get the Old Buzzard's signature on my Sunbird Wing. I will probably remain a level 4 LSF (#557) forever unless I get really lucky in a bunch of bigger than normal West Coast contests. On the other hand, I have the memories of great West Coast contests in Vernon BC, Seattle, Salem, Santa Rosa, Richland, Spokane, etc. I remember the First year that Col. Thacker entered his Baby Bollis in Scale in California. I also remember him riding a bike around the pit area and having at least 4 changes of clothes during the day. I now live in Port Angeles, WA and have 5 parks I can fly my DLG within 2 miles of my house. No one I know within 30 miles of here even knows what a DLG is. Well, not exactly, Marc Mech is in the Bellingham area which is less than that by boat but a really long way by car. Harley Michaelis, Scobie Puchtler, Phil Pearson, Adam Weston, Tim Johnson, Sherman Knight, Bill Kuhlman, Dave Beardsley, Russ Young and many others from Washington State are well known on the Left Coast but do not seem to find Indiana in the summertime worth the effort. -- Dick Barker Port Angeles, WA - Turning HLG Around - Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Language: en In a message dated 8/3/2005 2:24:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From people's experience and unbiased opinions?, what would be the best organized competitions, meets, or fun flys have they encountered? Al, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition...
I now live in Port Angeles, WA and have 5 parks I can fly my DLG within 2 miles of my house. others from Washington State are well known on the Left Coast but do not seem to find Indiana in the summertime worth the effort. -- Dick Barker Port Angeles, WA - Turning HLG Around - He has a good point, you would have to be a nut case to leave the San Juan Islands in the summer M. Mech (happily typing from Lummi Island) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go to
Aloha to all. I’ve noticed quite a few organized competitions, meets, and fun flys over the past several months posted here on RCSE. I’ve “never been” to the mainland but if I did go, I would want to setup my itinerary to include one of these R/C competitions, meets, or fun flys. From people’s experience and unbiased opinions☺, what would be the best organized competitions, meets, or fun flys have they encountered? I’m also concerned about local accommodations (hotels, camping sites if I decide to camp out, etc.). I would like to hang out with the local flyers and see their flying sites also before and after the organized meet if possible. I would rather go to something that is soaring related, but I would consider other R/C meets like TOC and R/C shows and exhibitions just as long it is worthwhile to check out. Aloha to all on RCSE, Al Battad - WH6VE AMA #506981 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go to
Al my friend, some may disagree, but I feel confident in saying the best soaring experience is VISALIA. Good air, great people and somewhat bizarre landing tasks. Sometimes even unique entertainment like an Elvis impersonator or a potato gun or nite E-Zagi flying. Plus, you'll be reasonably close to many top slope sites of the country. Kansas does a nice slope event also. But few other attractions are in the area. Utah's Point of the Mountain event is quite good as well. But Visalia is unique and has more somewhat near-by sites to offer. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA (nowhere near Visalia) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go to
Just one other point. The NATS had ~153 participants (Marc's number). While Visalia consistently has limit it's participants to 300. Visalia is the place to attend Bill Swingle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go to
One other point: The NATS had ~150 participants. While Visalia consistently has to limit there entrants to 300. Visalia gets my vote! Bill Swingle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Bill, Good point, but if you could feasably hold the Nats in the big CA, there would be 300+ pilots entered too, you definatley have the concentrated numbers. That comparison is kind of apples/oranges comparison in my book. But yes, Visalia is the weekend party of RC soaring in the US, no denying that. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go to
Best all round sloper's event: Tri-Slope Six-Pack in Richland, Washington. http://www.shredair.com/ Awesome slope sites, lots of pilots, friendly fun flying get together, and every type of slope plane you can imagine shows up. Best PSS slope event: Inland Slope Rebels annual PSS Festival at Cajon Pass, California. http://www.inlandsloperebels.com/04pssfest/04pssfest.html Imagine seeing hundreds of the most drop dead gorgeous slope planes you've ever seen all gathered together in one place. No hanger queens either, they all come to fly! -Original Message- From: glide [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:24 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] What is the best R/C soaring related competition/meet/funfly to go to Aloha to all. I’ve noticed quite a few organized competitions, meets, and fun flys over the past several months posted here on RCSE. I’ve “never been” to the mainland but if I did go, I would want to setup my itinerary to include one of these R/C competitions, meets, or fun flys. From people’s experience and unbiased opinions☺, what would be the best organized competitions, meets, or fun flys have they encountered? I’m also concerned about local accommodations (hotels, camping sites if I decide to camp out, etc.). I would like to hang out with the local flyers and see their flying sites also before and after the organized meet if possible. I would rather go to something that is soaring related, but I would consider other R/C meets like TOC and R/C shows and exhibitions just as long it is worthwhile to check out. Aloha to all on RCSE, Al Battad - WH6VE AMA #506981 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What about South Carolina, Charleston area?
Brent, I found a spot not that far from Charleston a couple of years ago and listed some info about it at: http://www.slopeflyer.com/artman/publish/article_71.shtml The wind was not great the day I was there but it looked promising. -- Greg Smith Slope Soaring Resource http://www.slopeflyer.com From: Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:21:13 -0400 To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] What about South Carolina, Charleston area? We're going to Folly Island in a couple weeks, any sloping sites nearby - general Charleston area? Last trip to Outer Banks let me slope off the dunes facing the ocean each evening, but it was fairly tame. Anything better in this area? Thanks! Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What about South Carolina, Charleston area?
We're going to Folly Island in a couple weeks, any sloping sites nearby - general Charleston area? Last trip to Outer Banks let me slope off the dunes facing the ocean each evening, but it was fairly tame. Anything better in this area? Thanks! Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] What is the deal with ICON sailplanes?
This thread reminds me of a Jerry Seinfeld episode with the soup nazi. If you didn't order your soup in a particular way he would shout no soup for you! and you would be banished to the back of the line. I can only imagine Don Peters shouting No Icon for you! Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What is the deal with ICON sailplanes?
What is the deal with ICON sailplanes and selling them privately? It seems like every time someone mentions buying or selling an Icon from anyone else (other than the manufacturer) there is some buzz going on about it... Does the manufacturer prohibit you from dealing with a third party sale or purchase of an Icon? What will they do? Blacklist you? Thank you. Cameron Ninham RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
