Re: sync not working the last few days?

[Bill Spikowski]

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

El 03/10/15 a las 13:42, Thomas Rocek escribió:

On Saturday, October 3, 2015 at 5:51:14 AM UTC-4, Herrmann Hofer
wrote:

1443865390221 Sync.ErrorHandler ERROR X-Weave-Alert: hard-eol:
The sync1.1 service has been shut down

I might have to try to set up my own 1.1 Server :-(

Thanks for the note; I tried to look in my logs and didn't see
that.  If you *do* figure out how to set up a server, could you
please post instructions for those of us who are not very
sophisticated in such matters?  Thanks very much again, best, Tom


The instructions for setting up a Sync 1.1 server are here:

https://docs.services.mozilla.com/howtos/run-sync.html

This was anticipated, as Mozilla announced that it was going to shut
it down on October 1st, since Firefox is using Sync 1.5 since long ago.

SeaMonkey has got permission to use Sync 1.5, but it will take some
time to update SeaMonkey Sync code to 1.5.



Unfortunately those instructions are way beyond me, so I'm looking for another 
workaround.

Is there a trustable source that maintains a shared Sync 1.1 server?

Or, although I prefer Seamonkey to Firefox -- could I switch all my browsers 
back to Firefox, import my Seamonkey bookmarks on one machine, then use Sync 
1.5 to keep all my machine synchronized?

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Re: sync not working the last few days?

[Bill Spikowski]

Thomas Rocek wrote:

I have a bunch of machines running Seamonkey (2.38, but sync was set up long before the 
"can't link new machine" problem).

I'm not sure when it started, but at least as of yesterday I'm getting "Sync encountered an error 
while syncing: Unknown error" message; if I go to preferences-->sync to try to look at my 
quota, I get "can't retrieve quota".  And the problem doesn't seem transient; changed 
bookmarks on one machine aren't appearing on others.

Does anyone know if the sync server is down or is my problem unique to me?  
(and if the latter, any suggestions?)


I've been unable to Sync for almost 24 hours, by far the longest down-time I've 
ever experienced. I'm running SM 2.26.1 on five synced Windows machines.

It makes me wonder what I'd do if the Sync system ever stopped working permanently -- I went from 
"who would need that" to "I can't live without it" in record time!
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Re: JPG's Not Displaying

[Bill Spikowski]

Tom Pamin wrote:

EE wrote:

Tom Pamin wrote:

When JPG photos are attached to emails I read using my roadrunner
webmail site, they do not display. I only see a small red x instead of
the photo. These photos display fine using IE. Is there a setting to
change in SM?


If they are attachments, can you not detach them and view them as normal
images?


Even when I save the attached images to my PC, I still just get the small red x.


Tom, have you tried accessing this webmail account from a different browser, 
and from your Seamonkey browser running in safe mode? Those tests would 
eliminate a lot of possible problems . . .
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Re: JPG's Not Displaying

[Bill Spikowski]

Tom Pamin wrote:

When JPG photos are attached to emails I read using my roadrunner webmail site, 
they do not display. I only see a small red x instead of the photo. These 
photos display fine using IE. Is there a setting to change in SM?



Can you explain further?

Are you using the Seamonkey browser to access the roadrunner webmail site?

Or are you using the Seamonkey email client to view your mail from the 
roadrunner mail server?
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each release brings a new set of issues, LOL

[Bill DeCoster]

Now all of a sudden youtube videos are unable to be played at full 
screen. where is the permissions menu?

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Re: Can't print from the compose window - Known bug

[Bill Spikowski]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Bill Spikowski schrieb:

The past several days I've lost the ability to print an email I'm
writing from the "Compose" window.


Hi,

as I found in the source of your e-mail you use
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 
SeaMonkey/2.33.1
Please mention such details in your questions!

Your problem probably is "Bug 1142997 - Cannot Print from Composer and other 
 elements "
 <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1142997>

Best Regards

Rainer Bielefeld
(SeaMonkey QA volunteer)



Yes -- that sounds like the same problem.

I've resolutely avoided upgrading SM past 2.26, but somehow 2.33.1 is on my 
computer now, which could explain the sudden appearance of this problem.

Very glad to see that several people have noticed this problem and are trying 
to track it down!

I've noticed one more bit of strange new printing behavior - when I print an 
email or a web page, SM selects the wrong printer. Even when I select the 
default printer manually in the SM dialog box, next time I print it's sent to 
the (same) wrong printer again. Not that big a deal; but perhaps connected?

Sorry for not mentioning my SM version -- though I would have reported what I 
THOUGHT I was running, rather than the correct version! Also, I'm running 
Windows XP on this computer.
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Can't print from the compose window

[Bill Spikowski]

The past several days I've lost the ability to print an email I'm writing from the 
"Compose" window. I click FILE | PRINT and nothing comes out of the printer, in 
fact I'm not even asked what printer to use.

If I save the email, I can print it just fine from the main SM mail window.

Nothing else is odd with regard to printing from Seamonkey or any other 
software.

Anyone have an idea what might cause this behavior?
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Re: Password Manager

[Bill Spikowski]

SameulS wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 08/03/2015 09:34 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

SameulS wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

may I ask your to read and consider
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/QA/Bug_writing_guidelines>?


All those hints also are relevant for support requests here.

"has stopped working" is too meaningless, and it's a question of
courtesy not to burden other helping volunteers research in your mail
header to find out that you use something like Windows 8.1 or
Windows RT
8.1 or Windows Server 2012 R2.

Best regards

Rainer Bielefeld


I apologize for my transgression in posting to the board. Thank you
for pointing this out to me.

Warmest regards.



Samuel -- What version of Seamonkey are you using? Have you updated it
recently? Those factors can affect saved passwords too.



It helps to read original posts.

"My PW Manager has stopped working for some strange reason on SM
2.33.1 on a W 8.1pro machine."



The additional information I requested would help too.

If the OP recently upgraded from say SM 2.26, then his is a well-known
problem.

If his problem began after updating from say SM 2.31, or unrelated to an
update, that's a different matter.







This started after down grading from 2.35 or some such version that did not 
work well for me, so I reverted to 2.33.1 as the newer version was still a test.

I did post about the challenges with that version, but most likely did not do 
in a fashion which the testers/SM gurus could answer or respond to. For this I 
do apologize as well.

Thank you all for your invaluable input and assistance.



Thanks for the additional info. Afraid I can't help; I've reverted to 2.26 
because of several problems with newer versions (not just passwords), so I 
don't know what factors between 2.35 and 2.33.1 might be causing this problem.

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Re: Password Manager

[Bill Spikowski]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 08/03/2015 09:34 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

SameulS wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

may I ask your to read and consider
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/QA/Bug_writing_guidelines>?

All those hints also are relevant for support requests here.

"has stopped working" is too meaningless, and it's a question of
courtesy not to burden other helping volunteers research in your mail
header to find out that you use something like Windows 8.1 or Windows RT
8.1 or Windows Server 2012 R2.

Best regards

Rainer Bielefeld


I apologize for my transgression in posting to the board. Thank you
for pointing this out to me.

Warmest regards.



Samuel -- What version of Seamonkey are you using? Have you updated it
recently? Those factors can affect saved passwords too.



It helps to read original posts.

"My PW Manager has stopped working for some strange reason on SM 2.33.1 on a W 
8.1pro machine."



The additional information I requested would help too.

If the OP recently upgraded from say SM 2.26, then his is a well-known problem.

If his problem began after updating from say SM 2.31, or unrelated to an 
update, that's a different matter.


 


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Re: Password Manager

[Bill Spikowski]

SameulS wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

may I ask your to read and consider
?
All those hints also are relevant for support requests here.

"has stopped working" is too meaningless, and it's a question of
courtesy not to burden other helping volunteers research in your mail
header to find out that you use something like Windows 8.1 or Windows RT
8.1 or Windows Server 2012 R2.

Best regards

Rainer Bielefeld


I apologize for my transgression in posting to the board. Thank you for 
pointing this out to me.

Warmest regards.



Samuel -- What version of Seamonkey are you using? Have you updated it 
recently? Those factors can affect saved passwords too.
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Re: No Response?

[Bill Spikowski]

Marie DeWees wrote:

I downloaded Sea Monkey.  Set up one email account and guess what? It
has the same issues as Thunderbird.  There are 145 messages from the
same vendor.  I am sure this is either a virus or a filter, but I do
NOT know how to fix it and Thunderbird support is NOT helping me. I
have sent long emails to them to no avail.

So, can this be fixed?  Why is Sea Monkey downloading the mess I have
with Thunderbird?  I specifically said not to include any prior settings.
I, obviously need an email client.  I would prefer it to be a Mozilla
product. But, if you cannot help me I will have to find something else.
Can you, at the least, let me know if you can help.  This has gone on
far too long.

I use Windows 7 as my OS. SeaMonkey version 2.33.1



Can you explain your situation a little more?

When you installed Seamonkey, did you set up your email account using a POP 
mail server or an IMAP mail server? Seamonkey is happy to use either system for 
your email, but that choice affects how it works, especially how it knows 
whether you want to store your emails on your own computer or keep them stored 
on your internet provider's server.

There are experts here on both systems.

If you don't remember, go to Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings, then click on "Server 
Settings" in the left window, then look on the top line in the right window, right after 
"Server Type:"

If you delete the 145 messages you don't want, do you get the same 145 messages 
the next day? or immediately?

Can you tell where this unwanted message is coming from?



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Re: 2.33.1 Page reload problem

[Bill Spikowski]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I am currently using version SM 2.33.1 in Windows 7 Pro. My browser frequently 
stalls in the process of trying to load a web page. Using the page Reload 
feature used to reload the same page, but now it opens up a second folder that 
tries to open the same page simultaneously. I end up with two folders that get 
stalled while trying to load one page.

Any clues on this issue? Thanks in advance for your help.




Does this happen only on certain web pages? If so, if you can provide a sample 
URL, others can check the behavior on their machines.

If not, have you tried starting SM in safe mode and trying again?  (HELP | 
RESTART WITH ADD-ONS DISABLED)  If the problem goes away, then the likely 
culprit is one of your add-ons.
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Re: Does sync-ing work in SeaMonkey?

[Bill Spikowski]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Adrian Kalla schrieb:


That's not the correct answer.



But currently future of Sync is unknown, see


and similar,




That's awful!

Sync was a game-changer for me; don't know how I could go forward without it 
(or something comparable)!

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Re: NoSquint For SeaMonkey

[Bill Spikowski]

fixitmanariz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 3:34:08 PM UTC-7, PhillipJones wrote:

Has Mr Chee made any progress on updating NoSquint for the 2.5 and later
series of SeaMonkey? I've Contacted original Auto haven't heard from him
yet. But have read in forums on the question he is downright hostile at
the mention of SeaMonkey.


Mr. Chee is a frequent contributor here and he's unfailingly polite and helpful!

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seamonkey obsolete?

[Bill DeCoster]

I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of 
issues with it. What's the point if nothing works?

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Re: Sending a drafted e-mail, but older draft copy still stays?

[Bill Spikowski]

Daniel wrote:

On 15/06/2015 11:40 PM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/12/2015 10:45 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Ant wrote:


Once in a while, I noticed my sent draft e-mails leaves a copy behind
in my SeaMonkey's Local Folders' Drafts folder. I have not yet to
figure out the pattern why this happens once in a while. Has anyone
noticed this too?


I don't use whatever Seamonkey means by Local Folders (embarrassed to
say after decades with this suite that I've never figured out its
purpose).



You don't see your posts to this newsgroup in the Sent folder under
Local folders? It's where all 1420 of my sent messages are stored.


Nope. Not sure why not. I only see my newsgroups posting in the actual
newsgroup; not in any Sent folders. That's not a problem to me.


Bill, have a look at Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings ( *Note* : *NOT* Edit->Preferences->Mail & 
Newsgroups), select an newsgroup account, select "Copies & Folders" for that account and have a look at 
the top section, "When sending messages". Have you told SM where to Automatically place a copy in:??

That's where your posts to these newsgroups should be stored.

Looked there; it indicates my renamed version of Local Folders. But the sent 
messages aren't there, not sure why. No drafts there either; but I don't know 
that I've ever saved a draft newsgroup posting.

Really not a problem to me -- just a curiosity!







Also where drafts go if you save a post as a draft, so you can
proofread it, before sending.


I save draft emails all the time because I may work on them over a
period of hours or even days, and SM tends to crash from time to time
(usually the browser, but that takes down the whole suite).

I don't think I've ever saved a draft post to a newsgroup; I often print
them to proofread them before posting, but that's about it!


The screen I mentioned above also indicates where any drafts for that account 
are stored, or allows you to set where they should be stored.



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Re: Sending a drafted e-mail, but older draft copy still stays?

[Bill Spikowski]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/12/2015 10:45 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Ant wrote:


Once in a while, I noticed my sent draft e-mails leaves a copy behind
in my SeaMonkey's Local Folders' Drafts folder. I have not yet to
figure out the pattern why this happens once in a while. Has anyone
noticed this too?


I don't use whatever Seamonkey means by Local Folders (embarrassed to
say after decades with this suite that I've never figured out its purpose).



You don't see your posts to this newsgroup in the Sent folder under Local 
folders? It's where all 1420 of my sent messages are stored.


Nope. Not sure why not. I only see my newsgroups posting in the actual 
newsgroup; not in any Sent folders. That's not a problem to me.





Also where drafts go if you save a post as a draft, so you can proofread it, 
before sending.


I save draft emails all the time because I may work on them over a period of 
hours or even days, and SM tends to crash from time to time (usually the 
browser, but that takes down the whole suite).

I don't think I've ever saved a draft post to a newsgroup; I often print them 
to proofread them before posting, but that's about it!


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Re: Sending a drafted e-mail, but older draft copy still stays?

[Bill Spikowski]

Ant wrote:


Once in a while, I noticed my sent draft e-mails leaves a copy behind in my 
SeaMonkey's Local Folders' Drafts folder. I have not yet to figure out the 
pattern why this happens once in a while. Has anyone noticed this too?


I don't use whatever Seamonkey means by Local Folders (embarrassed to say after 
decades with this suite that I've never figured out its purpose).

But I regularly find emails left behind in my regular Drafts folder after I've 
sent them. It's a bit of a mystery; one definite cause is when I've saved a 
draft email, then modified it and sent it without having resaved it first. It's 
rather a pain; I always have to go back and be sure that email actually went 
out before I delete the remnant in the Drafts folder.


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Re: Misplaced a folder of important bookmarks!

[Bill Spikowski]

JAS wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I save a LOT of bookmarks and keep them organized in a complex nest of
folders.

Recently an important folder seems have disappeared; I can no longer
find it in Bookmarks Manager.

I can find individual bookmarks in that folder using the search feature,
so I know the folder hasn't been deleted -- I may have dragged it to
somewhere else in my folder structure, but I can't find the folder.

Is there any way to figure out the LOCATION of an individual bookmark in
the Bookmarks Manager?

You might look at 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/show-parent-folder/?src=ss I 
use it with SM 2.32.1 after I run it through the Extension Convertor at 
http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ -- Works great for me. You set the 
columns you want to show in the search when using the Bookmark manger by going 
to View in the manger.


Thanks for the tip -- this extension works great for me too! It enables a "parent 
folder" column in BookMarks Manager -- and I especially like the 'reverse folder 
hierarchy' option.

A few years back I had about given up on bookmarks. Then the Sync feature was 
added; once I didn't have to maintain different bookmark files on each 
computer, I started keeping bookmarks again and organizing them. The loss of 
this single folder ('secret' tips on how to make Microsoft Word useful instead 
of making me insane) reminded me how much I've come to rely on bookmarks.

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Re: Misplaced a folder of important bookmarks!

[Bill Spikowski]

Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 5 juin 2015, Bill Spikowski a écrit :


Recently an important folder seems have disappeared; I can no longer find it in 
Bookmarks Manager.

I can find individual bookmarks in that folder using the search feature, so I 
know the folder hasn't been deleted -- I may have dragged it to somewhere else 
in my folder structure, but I can't find the folder.

Is there any way to figure out the LOCATION of an individual bookmark in the 
Bookmarks Manager?


Load the bookmark. Click on the bookmark icon in the address bar. Click "Choose" in the 
drop-down "Folder" list. This will highlight the bookmark's folder in the tree.

WFM in 2.12.1, at least.


I had never tried that -- turns out my missing folder was in the most 
improbable location, and has now been moved back where it belongs!

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Misplaced a folder of important bookmarks!

[Bill Spikowski]

I save a LOT of bookmarks and keep them organized in a complex nest of folders.

Recently an important folder seems have disappeared; I can no longer find it in 
Bookmarks Manager.

I can find individual bookmarks in that folder using the search feature, so I 
know the folder hasn't been deleted -- I may have dragged it to somewhere else 
in my folder structure, but I can't find the folder.

Is there any way to figure out the LOCATION of an individual bookmark in the 
Bookmarks Manager?
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Re: Making Passwords Show Letters ?

[Bill Spikowski]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote on 04/27/2015 8:46 AM:

No practical reason

What about seeing what one is typing when entering complex passwords?

Think especially about these situations:  a lousy keyboard, like most laptops; 
working in a dark area; using a touchscreen; people with dyslexia, or poor 
typing skills; the visually impaired; or those having several hundred passwords 
for different sites.

Oh, come: how about the wireless kbd that transmits the keycodes?
Is your office a TEMPEST design?


No idea what a TEMPEST office is.

Would never use a wireless keyboard.

I use LastPass myself, but I don't tell other people that my password solution 
is the only valid one. Lots of people don't understand password managers, or 
don't trust them; or are the only users of their computers, and don't need the 
extra complexity.

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Re: Making Passwords Show Letters ?

[Bill Spikowski]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 19:38:21 +1000, Daniel 
wrote:


On 26/04/15 10:00, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:24:53 -0700, DoctorBill 
wrote:


Most all Username / Password entry boxes only show
the Asterisk (*) when one enters the password.

Is there something in SeaMonkey that one can
toggle so that one sees what one is actually
entering ?

I tuype so prly thet I meed tyu sea what I hab
enterd.

DoktoeVill

This is a bad phishing attempt.


No, Doctor Bill is a long time, very occasional, poster hereabouts, from
I think, regional (i.e. about 60-90 miles from a large City) U.S. of A.

Hmm, be that as it may. Whenever I see these kinds of message , it
always sends up a social engineering attack flag. There's no practical
reason to want to know how to unhide a hidden password field other
than to clear-text pass the password into some hidden service or some
other nefarious purpose. Just my 2 cents.


No practical reason

What about seeing what one is typing when entering complex passwords?

Think especially about these situations:  a lousy keyboard, like most laptops; 
working in a dark area; using a touchscreen; people with dyslexia, or poor 
typing skills; the visually impaired; or those having several hundred passwords 
for different sites.
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Re: Delay sending mail

[Bill Spikowski]

Glen wrote:



To answer your question, see this:
http://blog.kamens.us/send-later/#server-side

According to the author of 'Send Later' it is possible to setup a
server-side solution using the add-on, I just haven't done it myself
since I feel comfortable (for the most part) leaving SM open while not
around, so I can't say with certainty what the difficulty level is to do
it.  I did glance at the instructions, it looks quite easy to do,
however. Here's a suggestion for you: Maybe use a spare computer and
keep it locked with a password? It's just a thought.

And as for added security, if you write to the same people all the time
and are concerned about prying eyes, which it sounds to be and, imo,
smart to be that way, you should maybe look into using Enigmail for SM.
  It's also a nice way to push your friends, family and clients (if
applicable) into thinking more independently and protecting your private
conversations, especially those people you communicate with on an
on-going basis, regardless if it's 'secret information' being shared or
not.

I do have one caveat about using Enigmail: If you test or use Enigmail,
you need to make sure you never, ever forget your pass phrase!! If you
do, you are S-O-L. Other than that, I have yet to find an article
telling me the encryption has been broken or any back-doors written in,
so, in my eyes, it's a perfect way to give Big Brother (NSA) and it's
cohorts (Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc, etc) the middle finger any day
of the week, because now you're messages are completely private and
encrypted from you until they reach your recipient and they decide to
have them unencrypted using your password.

So here's the link to the Enigmail Project:
https://www.enigmail.net/home/index.php

I hope it helps.



Thanks again -- I'll investigate further!
 


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Re: Delay sending mail

[Bill Spikowski]

Glen wrote:

Inojim wrote:

I'm wondering with Sea Monkey email (and this might apply to Thunderbird as 
well) if there is a way to prevent the program from instantly sending an 
outgoing message when you hit the 'Send this message now' button.  Can the 
message be put in the Outbox and sent the next time Sea Monkey automatically 
retrieves incoming mail?  I don't know how many times I've hit Send only to 
realize I forgot a recipient, changed my mind or whatever.  Having a built-in 
delay would be nice.


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/send-later-3/?src=search



Thanks for this suggestion -- that's a useful extension that I wasn't aware of!

I immediately began thinking how this concept could work even better. If 
Seamonkey is closed (or the computer crashes or is shut off), messages won't be 
sent by this extension. I need to close Seamonkey before leaving my office 
every day so that it will stop moving emails from my server to my office 
computer, so that interferes with how I might use this extension.

I've found a couple of services that will forward your pre-written emails at a 
set time and date, even when your computer is off. (I've been using followup.cc 
to send myself 'take out the trash' reminders). But these messages don't look 
like they're coming directly from me, so it doesn't work for business 
communications.
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Re: Messages in junk folder -- formatting missing

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Ant wrote:

I assume it was designed that way to prevent malicious activities no phoning 
home with graphics on remote servers, disabled HTML, etc. I don't know of a way 
to disable it.


That sounds reasonable.

If I can't disable that behavior, I'll try to modify my filtering systems so 
those messages are routed differently.
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Re: Messages in junk folder -- formatting missing

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Daniel wrote:

On 21/04/15 23:17, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Messages moved to my junk folder are often missing all their formatting.
I'm wondering if this is considered a feature of Seamonkey? Or a bug? Or
might it be caused by the messages themselves?

I train SM's adaptive junk system to route all kinds of routine and
commercial messages to my junk folder, not because I don't want to read
them but because I don't want them popping up in my inbox while I'm
working.

I also use SM filters to route messages to my junk folder -- but this
problem seems to happen to messages that are routed by SM's own junk
system.

This behavior isn't new, but it seems curious. If it's a feature, is
there any way I could turn it off?


Bill, I set up my SM to send any junk messages direct to the Trash folder 
(Edit->Preferences->Mail & Newsgroups->Junk & Suspect Mail)

Maybe you can set your SM up similarly, and then filter your "all kinds of routine 
and commercial messages" to your junk folder for later perusal!!

Note, depending on your set-up, if you do filter your junk direct to the Trash 
folder, they may be deleted when you next close SM!


I use my junk folder for two separate purposes: to hold messages marked as junk 
by Seamonkey's adaptive system, and to hold messages that my custom filters 
send to junk for later perusal. This works for me; most true spam is removed by 
mail server before it comes into Seamonkey, so my junk folder ends up holding 
stuff that mostly I want to look at -- when I have some down time!

I also have filters that send certain messages directly to trash; those are 
messages that a few spammers that manage to regularly evade my server's spam 
filter, so I'm OK, thrilled actually, with them disappearing automatically.

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Messages in junk folder -- formatting missing

[Bill Spikowski]

Messages moved to my junk folder are often missing all their formatting. I'm 
wondering if this is considered a feature of Seamonkey? Or a bug? Or might it 
be caused by the messages themselves?

I train SM's adaptive junk system to route all kinds of routine and commercial 
messages to my junk folder, not because I don't want to read them but because I 
don't want them popping up in my inbox while I'm working.

I also use SM filters to route messages to my junk folder -- but this problem 
seems to happen to messages that are routed by SM's own junk system.

This behavior isn't new, but it seems curious. If it's a feature, is there any 
way I could turn it off?
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Re: receiving emails - how to put images in proper place

[Bill Spikowski]

G. Ross wrote:

Jim wrote:

I have a lot of friends who like to send me junk mail, etc, which I feel
compelled to read (or sometimes enjoy reading).

One problem I have more and more often, is that they send an email with
images, but in the email, there are only blank places where the images
are supposed to go, and the images are sent as attachments (ie labeled
part 1.2, part 1.3, etc).

Is there any way to populate the message with the attached images? (So
that I don't have to look at all the images, and try to figure out where
they're supposed to go in the message).
(Does this make sense what I'm saying?)

Jim


Click on "View" at the top of the screen, and check "View attachments inline".


If "View attachments inline" doesn't help, start paying attention to who is 
sending you these particular emails; it may be that their email software is causing this 
problem. Outlook is notorious for sending attachments in proprietary formats that other 
email software can't decode.

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Re: How to Sort SM Message Filter File?

[Bill Spikowski]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

I would like to sort whatever file contains all of the "Message Filters"
into alphabetical order. I know I could use "Move Up" or "Move Down" but
with about 30 filters it would be easier to sort the file. Is that possible?



To sort the filters alphabetically, you can use the quickFilters extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/quickfilters/

I think I had to use the Seamonkey Extension Converter to make this extension 
work, but with my hundreds of filters, it was the only practical way to sort 
them.

As others have noted, sorting them will affect the way your filters work; it 
didn't cause me any problems at all.

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Re: search for body text across "local folders" stalls

[Bill Spikowski]

Bob Fleischer wrote:

With SeaMonkey 2.33.1, if I do a search for a string in "body" on "Local 
Folders" and subfolders, the search will stall at some point and never complete.

Anything I should check or fix?


If your mail folders are huge, a "body" search will take a long time -- are 
you're sure it's stalled, and not merely still searching?

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Still no printing from composer with latest update 2.33.1

[Bill DeCoster]

I am still unable to print from composer with this latest update.  I am 
hearing there is a simple solution. What's up?

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Re: Seamonkey update Crash

[Bill DeCoster]

SM 2.33 - Haven't had any crash issues yet. Running Windows 8.1 64-Bit. 
My issue is printing from composer. Hope you get your crashing issues fixed.



Eric wrote:

Has anyone else been experiencing Seamonkey Crashing after updating?

I've had to revert the other computer that I use for business purposes
to an older release of Seamonkey.  The other OS is Windows 7 Home
Premium 64 bit.

Here is what I've done to try and fix the crash problem.

On update, I'll do a warm boot of the system.  Crash.

Download and instal latest release of Seamonkey. Crash

warm boot.  Crash.

Revert to an older version 2.3.1. Crash.

warm boot.  Works.

I'm at my wits end with the crashes on the windows 7 machine.

This doesn't happen on my Vista Machine that I'm currently writing this on.

Any ideas?

TIA

Eric


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Printing from composer SM 2.33

[Bill DeCoster]

Printing from composer. Is anyone else having issues printing from 
composer with this new release.

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Re: Pop up problem

[Bill Spikowski]

Bob Minchin wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Do you have the PrefBar extension.  If so, import the UnPopup Button
from .

This button will transfer any popup window, that gets opened, back to
a "real browser window", by re-enabling menu bar, any toolbar, the
sidebar and the status bar. You have to enable PrefBar for popup
windows, to be able to use this one.


Gotta try this button -- always wondered if there was an easy way to do that!

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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[Bill Spikowski]

HenriK wrote:

Is there anyone who has had any experience moving GMail 'Sent' messages from 
GMail's WebMail 'Sent' folder to Seamonkey's e-mail client?


Not exactly what you're asking; but I've created a Gmail account right in the 
SM mail client. I drag messages from the Gmail sent folder right into my 
regular SM folders.

One day I wondered if it would work, and it did. I didn't do anything special 
and it hasn't caused any other problems. (I've never gotten my arms around the 
Gmail web interface.)


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Re: Restricting Extensions

[Bill Spikowski]

Desiree wrote:

On 2/12/2015 9:05 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

According to
,
Firefox will no longer allow extensions to be installed unless signed by
Mozilla.  Users will have NO option to allow an unsigned extension to be
installed.  That is, signatures by Mozilla will be mandatory.

Will this also be implemented in SeaMonkey?


The blog states this will NOT be implemented for SeaMonkey.

I stunned that Mozilla is doing this.  This is political and could be the death 
of Fx.



And maybe rejuvenation for Seamonkey, with the addition of all those newly 
disgruntled Firefox users?
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Re: new topic : Does you (( new SeaMonkey fans )) use Composer, Lightning calendar, ?????

[Bill Spikowski]

Alex Beauroy wrote:

new topic : Does  you (( new SeaMonkey fans )) use Composer, Lightning 
calendar, ?
IRC ChatZilla ???
@lex




I use Lightning --  many of my colleagues use Outlook for everything, and assume others 
do too. Without Lightning, when they "invite" me to a meeting, I get a blank 
email instead of an Outlook meeting announcement. I don't rely on the Lightning calendar 
function for anything else, but it lets me communicate with the Outlook world on that 
single subject.
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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:


I use "print preview" religiously; otherwise I'd consume even MORE of
the world's forests.

BUT -- I haven't found a way to "print preview" in the SM mail
client.

You'd think that wouldn't often be necessary; but because the
"Scale:" setting in the print preview window in the browser is
sticky, and carries over to the email client, I often print emails
and discover them to be set at 50% or 150% because I needed that
scale to print a webpage earlier in the day.

The SM browser has "Print Preview" on the file menu, but the SM mail
client does not.


On my 2.32 it does. I have File | Print Preview either when viewing a message 
in the preview pane or when I open the message in a separate window. This is 
nothing new, you should have it in 2.26.1 as well.

Are you using an extension that modifies the menus?



I've NEVER had Print Preview in the mail client; I always assumed that was "just the 
way it is."

I've always wished this option were in the compose window too -- I often print 
my outgoing business emails to edit or proofread them before sending them out, 
and it's annoying when they unexpectedly print at 50%!

I use lots of extensions, but the only one I'm aware of that comes close to the 
menus is PrefBar; but this problem long pre-dates my use of PrefBar.

Sure enough, I just restarted SM in safe mode and Print Preview is there as 
plain as day in the mail window.

Now I just have to track down the culprit!

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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

WaltS48 wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

The SM browser has "Print Preview" on the file menu, but the SM mail
client does not.



My SeaMonkey 2.31 mail client has "Print Preview" under "File" on the menu bar.

If you right click in a toolbar, select "Customize" you can add a printer icon to the "Mail 
Toolbar" which also has "Print Preview".



Thanks - the second item works right now; I'll check out the first when I 
upgrade to 2.31!
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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Win-7, SM 2.32, HP Deskjet printer

For several months when I click on "Print" from a web site (airline
boarding pass, store coupon etc.) what comes out is a version that is
 about 50% size.  Thus, if there is a bar code, it is too small for
the store etc. to read.

If I copy & paste the exact same URL into Chrome and then click on
print from that, I get a full size image with readable bar code.  OK,
that's an acceptable work-around; but why is this happening every
time with SeaMonkey?  Is this some sort of bug that only I keep
experiencing?  Is there some adjustment within SM that I'm not
making?

SeaMonkey remembers your last print settings until you change them.

The next time you need to print, instead of going directly to Print, use
Print Preview and set the size and orientation as desired. SM will
remember those settings until you change them again.

OK, that may have worked.  I looked at Print Preview on the original page, and sure 
enough it was set to 60% size...why, I have no idea. When I changed it to 100%, and then 
went back and clicked on the "Print" link it did print out correctly. Now I 
hope this is really sticky and will apply to all future printing. Thanks to all those who 
suggested utilizing Print Preview!!


I use "print preview" religiously; otherwise I'd consume even MORE of the 
world's forests.

BUT -- I haven't found a way to "print preview" in the SM mail client.

You'd think that wouldn't often be necessary; but because the "Scale:" setting 
in the print preview window in the browser is sticky, and carries over to the email 
client, I often print emails and discover them to be set at 50% or 150% because I needed 
that scale to print a webpage earlier in the day.

The SM browser has "Print Preview" on the file menu, but the SM mail client 
does not.

I've used David Ross' suggestion for user.js (later in this thread), so now my 
sticky browser settings get wiped out each time I restart Seamonkey. That's 
very helpful, but since I typically leave a SM mail window open all day, it 
resets my scale preference only once per day.


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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

If you have never edited prefs.js, I strongly recommend that you save
the file outside of your profile.  Also, editing it will not work unless
SeaMonkey is not running.





Here's my new user.js file:

# Mozilla User Preferences

/* This file can be edited while Seamonkey is running; it will be copied into 
pref.js at next restart.
 *

user_pref("print.printer_C2424_2x2.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_C2424_double-sided.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_C2424_plain.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_C2424_recycled.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_Samsung_CLP-550_Series.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_WorkCentre_C2424_PS.print_shrink_to_fit", true);

// default to "shrink to fit"



Yet -- it doesn't work; selecting say 50% changes "true" to "false"; restarting SM 
doesn't reset it to "true."

Do you see anything in my user.js file that's wrong?



I removed everything above the "user_pref" lines from user.js; now it works 
fine.

Thanks everyone for teaching me something new!

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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:


I saw the same thing earlier this week.  With SeaMonkey terminated, I
went to the file prefs.js in my profile, opened it in Wordpad, and
searched for "print.printer".  I deleted blocks of preference variables
that related to obsolete printers and such pseudo printers as Adobe
Acrobat (for which the print-to-PDF function is not supported in Windows
7) and doPDF 7 (an application that does print-to-PDF but has been
replaced with doPDF 8).

If you have never edited prefs.js, I strongly recommend that you save
the file outside of your profile.  Also, editing it will not work unless
SeaMonkey is not running.



I've tried this for each active printer (after deleting the obsolete printers 
from prefs.js).

Here's my new user.js file:

# Mozilla User Preferences

/* This file can be edited while Seamonkey is running; it will be copied into 
pref.js at next restart.
 *

user_pref("print.printer_C2424_2x2.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_C2424_double-sided.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_C2424_plain.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_C2424_recycled.print_shrink_to_fit", true);
user_pref("print.printer_Samsung_CLP-550_Series.print_shrink_to_fit", 
true);
user_pref("print.printer_WorkCentre_C2424_PS.print_shrink_to_fit", 
true);

// default to "shrink to fit"



Yet -- it doesn't work; selecting say 50% changes "true" to "false"; restarting SM 
doesn't reset it to "true."

Do you see anything in my user.js file that's wrong?
 


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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:

That's maybe THIRTY rows for each printer!

I saw the same thing earlier this week.  With SeaMonkey terminated, I
went to the file prefs.js in my profile, opened it in Wordpad, and
searched for "print.printer".  I deleted blocks of preference variables
that related to obsolete printers and such pseudo printers as Adobe
Acrobat (for which the print-to-PDF function is not supported in Windows
7) and doPDF 7 (an application that does print-to-PDF but has been
replaced with doPDF 8).

If you have never edited prefs.js, I strongly recommend that you save
the file outside of your profile.  Also, editing it will not work unless
SeaMonkey is not running.


Do you mean, save a copy of prefs.js as a backup in case my editing messes it 
up?

Or do you mean to move it somewhere else permanently?

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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/28/2015 11:06 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

There is a way for SeaMonkey not to remember the last print settings.
Instead, you can establish default settings that come into effect every
time you launch SeaMonkey.

In your profile, find the file user.js.  If it does not exist, create it
with a plain-text text editor.  Insert the following statements:

user_pref("print_printer", "");
// default back to Windows default printer if another printer
// was selected

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_orientation",0);
// restore portrait if landscape had been specified

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_scaling","1.0");
//  restore 100% scaling

The lines beginning with // are comments to remind you why you have
these statements.  The semi-colons are mandatory.  Every time you launch
SeaMonkey, these will override whatever print settings were last used.

In the first set (print_printer), this works with Windows; I do not know
if there is an equivalent for MACs or Linux.  In the second set
(print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print _orientation), you will
have to find the equivalent preference variable for your own printer; a
value of 1 defaults to landscape.  In the third set (print.printer_HP
_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_scaling), you will again have to find the
equivalent preference variable for your own printer; the number is the
multiplier for scaling (e.g., 1.0=100%, 0.5=50%).

To find equivalent preference variables for the second and third sets,
enter about:config in the address area (URI bar) of SeaMonkey.  In the
Search area, enter print.printer_ and scroll through the results.


The one that's important to me would be to restore my general
preference for Scale = Shrink To Fit (after I've chosen a different
scale for some specific document).

Do you know if there is a way to accomplish that?


In user.js, insert

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_shrink_to_fit",true);
// default to "shrink to fit"



I just created user.js (guess I never did that before) but in looking in 
about:config to find out the name of my printer, I see about rows for every 
printer I've ever installed (or reinstalled) -- several dozen of them!

Is there a way to delete all those entries so I'd be left with only my 
currently installed printers? That's still five printers, but it would be easy 
enough to modify user.js for each one, once I was pretty confident I wasn't 
modifying ancient printer entries!
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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/28/2015 11:06 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

There is a way for SeaMonkey not to remember the last print settings.
Instead, you can establish default settings that come into effect every
time you launch SeaMonkey.

In your profile, find the file user.js.  If it does not exist, create it
with a plain-text text editor.  Insert the following statements:

user_pref("print_printer", "");
// default back to Windows default printer if another printer
// was selected

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_orientation",0);
// restore portrait if landscape had been specified

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_scaling","1.0");
//  restore 100% scaling

The lines beginning with // are comments to remind you why you have
these statements.  The semi-colons are mandatory.  Every time you launch
SeaMonkey, these will override whatever print settings were last used.

In the first set (print_printer), this works with Windows; I do not know
if there is an equivalent for MACs or Linux.  In the second set
(print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print _orientation), you will
have to find the equivalent preference variable for your own printer; a
value of 1 defaults to landscape.  In the third set (print.printer_HP
_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_scaling), you will again have to find the
equivalent preference variable for your own printer; the number is the
multiplier for scaling (e.g., 1.0=100%, 0.5=50%).

To find equivalent preference variables for the second and third sets,
enter about:config in the address area (URI bar) of SeaMonkey.  In the
Search area, enter print.printer_ and scroll through the results.


The one that's important to me would be to restore my general
preference for Scale = Shrink To Fit (after I've chosen a different
scale for some specific document).

Do you know if there is a way to accomplish that?


In user.js, insert

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_shrink_to_fit",true);
// default to "shrink to fit"



I just created user.js (guess I never did that before) but in looking in 
about:config to find out the name of my printer, I see about rows for every 
printer I've ever installed (or reinstalled) -- several dozen of them!

Is there a way to delete all those entries so I'd be left with only my 
currently installed printers? That's still five printers, but it would be easy 
enough to modify user.js for each one, once I was pretty confident I wasn't 
modifying ancient printer entries!


That's maybe THIRTY rows for each printer!
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Re: Printing

[Bill Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:

There is a way for SeaMonkey not to remember the last print settings.
Instead, you can establish default settings that come into effect every
time you launch SeaMonkey.

In your profile, find the file user.js.  If it does not exist, create it
with a plain-text text editor.  Insert the following statements:

user_pref("print_printer", "");
// default back to Windows default printer if another printer
// was selected

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_orientation",0);
// restore portrait if landscape had been specified

user_pref("print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_scaling","1.0");
//  restore 100% scaling

The lines beginning with // are comments to remind you why you have
these statements.  The semi-colons are mandatory.  Every time you launch
SeaMonkey, these will override whatever print settings were last used.

In the first set (print_printer), this works with Windows; I do not know
if there is an equivalent for MACs or Linux.  In the second set
(print.printer_HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print _orientation), you will
have to find the equivalent preference variable for your own printer; a
value of 1 defaults to landscape.  In the third set (print.printer_HP
_Color_LaserJet_CP1215.print_scaling), you will again have to find the
equivalent preference variable for your own printer; the number is the
multiplier for scaling (e.g., 1.0=100%, 0.5=50%).

To find equivalent preference variables for the second and third sets,
enter about:config in the address area (URI bar) of SeaMonkey.  In the
Search area, enter print.printer_ and scroll through the results.



The one that's important to me would be to restore my general preference for 
Scale = Shrink To Fit (after I've chosen a different scale for some specific 
document).

Do you know if there is a way to accomplish that?

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Re: Printing

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Ken Rudolph wrote:

Win-7, SM 2.32, HP Deskjet printer

For several months when I click on "Print" from a web site (airline boarding 
pass, store coupon etc.) what comes out is a version that is about 50% size.  Thus, if 
there is a bar code, it is too small for the store etc. to read.

If I copy & paste the exact same URL into Chrome and then click on print from 
that, I get a full size image with readable bar code.  OK, that's an acceptable 
work-around; but why is this happening every time with SeaMonkey?  Is this some 
sort of bug that only I keep experiencing?  Is there some adjustment within SM that 
I'm not making?


Do you look at the page you want to print in Print Preview? That's where you 
can fix things before wasting a sheet of paper.

The downside is that if you adjust the scale in the Seamonkey's Print Preview 
window, the new setting is 'sticky' and will carry forward until you change it 
back (for instance, to 'shrink to fit'), either in the Print Preview window, or 
in the Page Setup dialog box.

The other browsers all have different methods of adjusting the print settings. 
Despite the 'sticky' glitch I just mentioned, which has been with us forever, I 
find the SM print options to be the best of the whole lot.

On some web pages, however, SM just won't print right; I find the same thing is 
true with other browsers. The solution is usually just to open the page in a 
different browser and try printing from there.


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Re: Automatic Seamonkey updates

[Bill Spikowski]

Daniel wrote:

On 14/01/15 05:26, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Did something just change about how Seamonkey handles automatic updates?

My installations are set to automatically check for updates, but not
download or install them.

Yet this past hour I suddenly got SM 2.31 installed, against my wishes.


Bill, did you check you settings at Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software 
Installation??



Yes -- they're the same as before -- check for updates but don't download or 
install them.

Normally that produces a weekly message reminding me that I'm headed for hades 
for not using the latest version of Seamonkey. But yesterday I came back from 
lunch and saw the new version installing itself at a really awkward time for me 
-- I lost my calendar (Lightning) and password manager (because I wasn't given 
the chance to disable Remember Passwords), and for some reason couldn't even 
send emails. I reinstalled 2.26.1 and I'm OK for now. Hopefully this was just 
one of those flukes, not some decision to take away our choice of whether to 
upgrade or not, and when is a good time to perform upgrades (NOT in the middle 
of my workday!).

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Did something just change about how Seamonkey handles automatic updates?

My installations are set to automatically check for updates, but not download 
or install them.

Yet this past hour I suddenly got SM 2.31 installed, against my wishes.
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Re: Google Maps

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Jonathan N. Little wrote:

That is not supposed to happen. Sure sounds like you have a AutoScroll button 
defined in SetPoint


AutoScroll is news to me!

I see AutoScroll as a choice for certain buttons, but with my mouse at least, 
Setpoint doesn't give me any choices about how the scroll wheel behaves. But 
maybe its getting invoked some other way . . . .
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Re: Google Maps

[Bill Spikowski]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

hawker wrote:

You may be on to something.
I too use the nicer logitec mice, but I keep having software incompatibility 
issues with the Logitech drivers. In the end I use the mouse but do not install 
the logitec drives and my problems go away. I actually just disable the 
starting of the driver in AutoRuns as I sometimes need it to set features.  You 
can RMB on the driver window and exit set point to regain MS control of the 
driver and see if that changes anything.


I'll experiment with that!


I always assumed that if Setpoint wasn't running, I'd lose all its 
configuration settings. But I just ended the process and I really can't tell 
any difference, except that the odd scrolling problem in Google Maps has 
suddenly gone away!

I'm sure that without Setpoint I'll lose the "low battery" warning for my 
wireless mouse -- but that's insignificant since I know how the mouse starts acting when 
its battery is low.

Now the test is to see if I've lost anything important. If not, this problem 
will be completely solved!

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Re: Google Maps

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hawker wrote:

You may be on to something.
I too use the nicer logitec mice, but I keep having software incompatibility 
issues with the Logitech drivers. In the end I use the mouse but do not install 
the logitec drives and my problems go away. I actually just disable the 
starting of the driver in AutoRuns as I sometimes need it to set features.  You 
can RMB on the driver window and exit set point to regain MS control of the 
driver and see if that changes anything.


I'll experiment with that!

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Re: Google Maps

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Jonathan N. Little wrote:

As side of the suggestions for Logitech Setpoint, what are your setting for 
scrollwheel in Seamonkey?

Preferences > Advance > Mouse Wheel



Nothing unusual - with no modifier key, it's set to "scroll the document" at 
100%

I just realized I've never explained why I don't just skip mouse wheel 
scrolling and use the  + and - keys -- it's because my uncontrolled zooming 
problem in SM sometimes happens when I'm merely moving my mouse across Google 
Maps (not just when I'm scrolling with the mouse wheel).

Just now, I moved my mouse across the window and Google Maps zoomed out to view 
the whole world.

This is no killer problem; I can use Google Maps just fine in Firefox or Chrome 
-- but I prefer the Seamonkey browser.


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Re: Google Maps

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Rickles wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:



If it does the same thing at all, less or more frequently than in SM, try 
updating your mouse driver.  Sometimes something that simple can make all the 
difference.



The mouse is new in the last couple of months, and I do have the latest driver 
installed (and Logitech's SetPoint mouse software). I've turned off several 
unexplained features in SetPoint (like SetPoint Implementation and Smart Move) 
but the Google Maps behavior persists.

I tried restarting SM with all add-ons disabled; no change in this behavior.

I'm recalling that I've ditched every wireless mouse and trackball I've ever tried, due 
to odd usability problems with every one (laggy behavior; unacceptable battery 
consumption, you name it). I bought this "Anywhere MX" mouse as a travel mouse 
but it feels great and works so well that I want to make it my permanent mouse on my 
desktop machines . . . .



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Re: Google Maps

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mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Thanks -- I'll keep experimenting and see if I can isolate this problem;
it may be unique to my setup


It wasn't clear from your original post - are you holding Ctrl while scrolling 
the mouse wheel to zoom Google Maps, in the same way as you can for any other 
web page? If you are doing that, try scrolling without holding Ctrl. Google 
Maps implements its own zooming behaviour on scrolling, so it may confuse 
things if SeaMonkey's zooming is also being activated.



I wasn't using CTRL -- just scrolling the mouse wheel -- normal Google Maps 
behavior.

Clicking the + and -  buttons in Google Maps still works fine. I had gotten 
comfortable using the mouse wheel because it's faster -- but now it won't stop 
scrolling when I let go of the mouse wheel!


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Re: Google Maps

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2015 11:58 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:


I wonder if anyone else is experiencing trouble recently while
zooming Google Maps in Seamonkey.

In recent months I've noticed erratic zooming in Google Maps with
various browsers, but only in Seamonkey is it so pronounced as to
make Google Maps unusable.

The problem occurs while zooming in with a mouse scroll wheel; the
zoom continues (erratically) after I've reached my desired zoom
level. In Firefox and Chrome, it seems to only zoom one extra zoom
level, but in Seamonkey it will zoom maybe 5 or more zoom levels,
letting me count oranges on the trees when I'm trying to understand
an entire neighborhood.

The problem is limited to Google Maps; I can use the mouse wheel and
the control key to zoom in and out of any other web pages in
Seamonkey without incident.

My mouse is a Logitech Anywhere MX wireless model; running SM 2.26
and Windows XP (yes, I understand the problems with both, but I have
my reasons)


Windows 7 Ultimate
SeaMOnkey 2.26.1
Logitech M100 wired mouse

I do not see a problem with zooming either the map or the satellite view
of my own home.



Thanks -- I'll keep experimenting and see if I can isolate this problem; it may 
be unique to my setup

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[Bill Spikowski]

I wonder if anyone else is experiencing trouble recently while zooming Google 
Maps in Seamonkey.

In recent months I've noticed erratic zooming in Google Maps with various 
browsers, but only in Seamonkey is it so pronounced as to make Google Maps 
unusable.

The problem occurs while zooming in with a mouse scroll wheel; the zoom 
continues (erratically) after I've reached my desired zoom level. In Firefox 
and Chrome, it seems to only zoom one extra zoom level, but in Seamonkey it 
will zoom maybe 5 or more zoom levels, letting me count oranges on the trees 
when I'm trying to understand an entire neighborhood.

The problem is limited to Google Maps; I can use the mouse wheel and the 
control key to zoom in and out of any other web pages in Seamonkey without 
incident.

My mouse is a Logitech Anywhere MX wireless model; running SM 2.26 and Windows 
XP (yes, I understand the problems with both, but I have my reasons)

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Re: Find box invoked without being requested

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David H. Durgee wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

What do you mean by "make sure the web box is selected first"? If I'm in
the middle of typing in a web box, doesn't that mean that web box has
already been selected? Is there some other step I've been missing?


Is it possible that you are hitting a tab that takes you out of the input field 
in the form?  Is it possible that the field in the form is of a specific length 
and forwards you to something other than another text input field when you hit 
the last character? Either of these could result in the behavior you report.


I considered the possibility that my finger was inadvertently hitting the tab 
key, but that's definitely not the problem.

Putting the cursor back in the text box allow me to continue inputting text, so 
it's not a size limitation of the text boxes.

The only pattern I found (once, on one web site) was that hitting a "W" always dumped me 
to the find box, while typing other letters did not. I wondered if my keyboard was substituting 
something else for "W"; but I've never seen that behavior again, and haven't been able to 
identify any other patterns.

I truly appreciate all the ideas offered in this group!

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Re: Find box invoked without being requested

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hawker wrote:

On 12/15/2014 10:11 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

pjdkru...@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, it's an accessibility feature called Type Ahead Find which is
enabled by default in SeaMonkey.  In about:config you can disable by
setting these prefs to false:

accessibility.typeaheadfind
accessibility.typeaheadfind.autostart


I've changed both to FALSE, as suggested -- thank you!

Does anyone know what "Type Ahead Find" is supposed to do?



 I think the default is well chosen.
I often to search in a page. It is anoying to have to enter CTRL-F then type. 
This way I can just type. I don't have the problems you have. To enter in a web 
box and not search just make sure the web box is selected first.


What do you mean by "make sure the web box is selected first"? If I'm in the 
middle of typing in a web box, doesn't that mean that web box has already been selected? 
Is there some other step I've been missing?




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Re: Find box invoked without being requested

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mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Does anyone else have the problem where they're typing something into a
web form in SM and suddenly the "find box" pops open and the cursor is
entering my text there, instead of in the web form?

This has been happening quite a lot and I kept assuming I was hitting
some odd key combination that replicated 'control F' -- but today I've
been paying attention and it's been happening randomly, even when I'm
sure I'm not hitting any odd key combination, or any specific key.

If this is happening only to me, I'd better investigate my keyboard!


A couple of thoughts...

1. Is this a general problem, or does it only happen one or a few particular 
sites? It may be that the page is still loading when you start typing, and when 
it finishes loading, it runs some Javascript which affects the keyboard focus, 
so you're no longer typing in the text box.


For me, it's a general problem, on multiple computers, different OSs, and 
various websites, but only when I'm using the SM browser. It might not happen 
for a few days, then five times in one day. It's not something that occurs only 
when a page has been freshly loaded.




2. Are you using a laptop with a touchpad? It's possible that your wrist taps the 
touchpad, causing a mouse click outside of the box you're filling in, thus 
removing keyboard focus from it. If possible, try disabling the tap-to-click 
feature or adjusting its sensitivity (in Windows, there's probably an option 
somewhere under Control Panel > Mouse, though the exact place varies with 
manufacturer and Windows version).

It does happen on my laptop, in which case I always assume I brushed the 
touchpad! When it happens on desktop machines, first I assumed that the mouse 
must have moved slightly as I was typing -- but I've eliminated that 
possibility, so it's something else



In both cases, having positioned the keyboard focus outside of the text box, continuing to type 
activates the "find as you type" feature (as others have mentioned). It can be disabled 
at Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Find As You Type, but you'll probably find that the 
keyboard focus still keeps leaving the text box, and just doesn't activate the find box having 
done so.

I'm not sure what you mean. If I'm in the middle of typing in a text box, how 
could the keyboard focus be somewhere else? (other than possibilities you 
mention above). Are you saying that would be the symptom of another problem, if 
Find As You Type has been disabled?

If the focus somehow moves outside the text box, but not to the find box, what 
would happen? Does that mean my typing would suddenly have no effect until I 
put the cursor back in the a box and continued typing? I'll watch for that 
behavior.

I've disabled Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Find As You Type. So far, I don't 
seem to have lost any functionality, and the find box hasn't suddenly opened, nor has 
the focus jumped out of a box, but it's only been one day.

Thanks for the observations, I'd love to get this minor annoyance sorted out.
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Re: Find box invoked without being requested

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pjdkru...@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, it's an accessibility feature called Type Ahead Find which is enabled by 
default in SeaMonkey.  In about:config you can disable by setting these prefs 
to false:

accessibility.typeaheadfind
accessibility.typeaheadfind.autostart


I've changed both to FALSE, as suggested -- thank you!

Does anyone know what "Type Ahead Find" is supposed to do?

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Find box invoked without being requested

[Bill Spikowski]

Does anyone else have the problem where they're typing something into a web form in SM 
and suddenly the "find box" pops open and the cursor is entering my text there, 
instead of in the web form?

This has been happening quite a lot and I kept assuming I was hitting some odd 
key combination that replicated 'control F' -- but today I've been paying 
attention and it's been happening randomly, even when I'm sure I'm not hitting 
any odd key combination, or any specific key.

If this is happening only to me, I'd better investigate my keyboard!
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Re: Dropbox question

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Bill Spikowski wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote on 06/12/2014 23:13:

A technical question for Dropbox users:

Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; 
Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction.

However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on 
Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing 
enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the 
link is correct!)

One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then 
selecting "View on dropbox.com," then looking at my new folder or files and 
verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in 
Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome.

Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I 
verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, 
then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being 
sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is 
that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there 
instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com.

Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey 
rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and 
don't recall my passwords.

Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I 
haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google.

You say that they said: "when a file is already on your local computer, you get 
redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com."
So it's not a problem with the SM browser. Any browser will follow the dropbox 
mechanism.


Right -- this one isn't a SM problem; but as it eliminates my alternate 
approach, so the SM problem below becomes more critical to me!




You have just the SM problem:
"right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting "View on dropbox.com," 
then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has 
suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome."


Exactly.  If no other Dropbox users report this problem, I'll try to track down 
some errant SM extension that might be causing this behavior  . . . .



Well, turns out it's a filter in Adblock Plus 2.6.6 that has been causing my problem. 
With the "Antisocial" filter disabled, Dropbox.com works fine in Seamonkey.


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Re: Dropbox question

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Bob Minchin wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

A technical question for Dropbox users:

Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer;
Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction.

However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted
on Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is
confusing enough for regular users; new users are often completely
baffled, even when the link is correct!)

One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox
desktop icon, then selecting "View on dropbox.com," then looking at my
new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that
has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still
works in Firefox and Chrome.

Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I
verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in
Seamonkey, then clicking on the link before sending the email and making
sure I'm being sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that
approach; their explanation is that when a file is already on your local
computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on
dropbox.com.

Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within
Seamonkey rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other
computers and don't recall my passwords.

Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and
I haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through
Google.

If Dropbox have made the connection between the URL you used and your local 
machine, does that not mean the link was correct in the first place?
 I use a personal Dropbox account to store files for a small hobby forum that I 
help run and none of my users have ever reported a difficulty accessing files.


This is a recent problem -- just in the past week.

As to your question -- I haven't a clue, since Dropbox keeps its inner workings 
hidden from users. I found the product almost unusable until I stumbled upon 
the way I use it -- keeping a local folder on the desktop of each of my 
computers that I can interact with using normal file management tools and even 
without an internet connection; and only accessing Dropbox.com when I need to 
verify that a file I want to share has uploaded properly and the link I'm about 
to send a colleague connects to that file.

Perhaps I'm not even using their product correctly; I've tried to get tech help 
from them a few times without success.

Whenever I get frustrated with Dropbox, I try another file sharing services, 
only to find even bigger problems (e.g., my recipients must create an account; 
or they get bombed with advertising; or the download page has additional links 
designed to trick my colleagues; or the interface has just as many 
peculiarities as Dropbox or an even-more-baffling interface). Then I slink back 
to Dropbox -- until the cycle resumes!
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Re: Dropbox question

[Bill Spikowski]

Ray_Net wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote on 06/12/2014 23:13:

A technical question for Dropbox users:

Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; 
Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction.

However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on 
Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing 
enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the 
link is correct!)

One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then 
selecting "View on dropbox.com," then looking at my new folder or files and 
verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in 
Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome.

Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I 
verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, 
then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being 
sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is 
that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there 
instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com.

Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey 
rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and 
don't recall my passwords.

Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I 
haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google.

You say that they said: "when a file is already on your local computer, you get 
redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com."
So it's not a problem with the SM browser. Any browser will follow the dropbox 
mechanism.


Right -- this one isn't a SM problem; but as it eliminates my alternate 
approach, so the SM problem below becomes more critical to me!




You have just the SM problem:
"right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting "View on dropbox.com," 
then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has 
suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome."


Exactly.  If no other Dropbox users report this problem, I'll try to track down 
some errant SM extension that might be causing this behavior  . . . .
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[Bill Spikowski]

A technical question for Dropbox users:

Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; 
Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction.

However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on 
Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing 
enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the 
link is correct!)

One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then 
selecting "View on dropbox.com," then looking at my new folder or files and 
verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in 
Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome.

Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I 
verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, 
then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being 
sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is 
that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there 
instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com.

Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey 
rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and 
don't recall my passwords.

Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I 
haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google.
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Re: Seamonkey always asks to save pdf files

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David Wilkinson wrote:

On Windows 7, I use Foxit Reader as my PDF application, and I want
PDF files from the web to open in Foxit Reader (not in a browser
tab). But whenever I click on a pgf document in SeaMonkey, I am
forced to first download the file. It will not open directly in Foxit
Reader.

Who is causing this: Seamonkey, Foxit Reader, or Windows? In nay
case, how can I fix it?



I've never gotten that behavior with Foxit, or with Acrobat or Reader for that 
matter, no matter how hard I've tried!

If you want to open it in the full application, you'll need to open the saved 
file directly from the application.

My default behavior is looking at PDFs in a Acrobat browser tab -- then saving 
and reopening when I need some particular feature from the full versions of 
Foxit, Acrobat, or NitroPro.


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Re: Upgrade problem

[Bill Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/3/2014 6:30 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:



Do you have the "save passwords" extension installed?  If so, disable it!

Dave


Without the Save Passwords extension, passwords that have been saved
will no longer be fetched and used if the login Web page has
autocomplete=off.  Saving passwords when autocomplete=off was
implemented but not using them when autocomplete=off.



Yes, I've noticed!

For this reason I have reverted to SM  2.26 -- which from your footer line, you 
have also done . . .
 


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Re: Upgrade problem

[Bill Spikowski]

David H. Durgee wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

(probably unrelated to the other problem that I asked about yesterday)

I upgraded from SM 2.26 yesterday. These days I don't upgrade for each
new version because of the problems it's been causing me (Lightning;
saved passwords), but when I used to upgrade for every new version, it
never caused me any problems.

This time I've lost the ability to receive email. The problem affects
every one of my POP and IMAP accounts.

(But apparently the news reader still works!)

Is this just a fluke on my machine, or is this a recurring problem with
a known solution?

I could just experiment with setting up all new accounts, but last time
I did that, it messed up hundreds of my custom mail filters . . . .



Do you have the "save passwords" extension installed?  If so, disable it!

Dave



Duh -- one of the very reasons I had held off upgrading!

Thanks for the quick answer.
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Re: Another bookmark question

[Bill Spikowski]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:


I was organizing bookmarks today and messed something up. Dragging
folders of bookmarks is sometimes flaky, with folders ending up in the
wrong place, but I've never actually LOST any folders. This time I'm
afraid I have, about a dozen folders that are pretty important to me.

I have a backup of places.sqlite from yesterday, but I'd rather not
replace the current file because I have made a lot of other bookmark
changes since yesterday. Is there a way to extract just the lost folders
from yesterday's places.sqlite and paste it into my current file?

I have the SQLite Manager extension installed, but I have no clue how it
works, or if it can accomplish what I want to do.


Here's one clumsy workaround, others may think of something better:

1) Export your current configuration as Bookmarks.HTML. Rename it so you can 
identify it, e.g., MangledBookmarks.HTML.

2) With SM closed, copy/paste the backup places.sqlite over the existing one.

3) Launch SM and import MangledBookmarks.HTML, which should create a separate 
bookmark folder.

4) Drag and drop the lost folders back to where you want them. Delete whatever 
folders you no longer need.

5) Lather, rinse, repeat. ;-)



YES -- that worked like a charm!
 


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Upgrade problem

[Bill Spikowski]

(probably unrelated to the other problem that I asked about yesterday)

I upgraded from SM 2.26 yesterday. These days I don't upgrade for each new 
version because of the problems it's been causing me (Lightning; saved 
passwords), but when I used to upgrade for every new version, it never caused 
me any problems.

This time I've lost the ability to receive email. The problem affects every one 
of my POP and IMAP accounts.

(But apparently the news reader still works!)

Is this just a fluke on my machine, or is this a recurring problem with a known 
solution?

I could just experiment with setting up all new accounts, but last time I did 
that, it messed up hundreds of my custom mail filters . . . .
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Another bookmark question

[Bill Spikowski]

I was organizing bookmarks today and messed something up. Dragging folders of 
bookmarks is sometimes flaky, with folders ending up in the wrong place, but 
I've never actually LOST any folders. This time I'm afraid I have, about a 
dozen folders that are pretty important to me.

I have a backup of places.sqlite from yesterday, but I'd rather not replace the 
current file because I have made a lot of other bookmark changes since 
yesterday. Is there a way to extract just the lost folders from yesterday's 
places.sqlite and paste it into my current file?

I have the SQLite Manager extension installed, but I have no clue how it works, 
or if it can accomplish what I want to do.
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Re: Automation/Macro for SeaMonkey?

[Bill Spikowski]

Ant wrote:

On 11/29/2014 6:54 PM PT, David E. Ross typed:
> While it still involves some manual operations, I use the PrefBar

extension to enable or disable AdBlock Plus from PrefBar's tool bar.

After customizing my menu bar, navigation tool bar, and PrefBar tool
bar, I don't need a Web site navigation bar or bookmarks tool bar and
have disabled those.  Thus, I have only three bars at the top of my
SeaMonkey window: menu, navigation tool, and PrefBar.


I do use PrefBar too. Toggling things manually gets old. ;)


Agreed -- PrefBar has got lots of great stuff! Here are two that I use EVERY 
DAY (not sure whether all of these are native PrefBar, or buttons provided by 
others):

-- toggle "Colors" off (for instance, when I stumble on a website that's 
illegible because the webmaster thought it would be cool to use blue text on a black 
background)

-- toggle "Full Page Zoom," to reduce or increase font size without changing 
the size of images

-- increase and decrease the displayed font size whenever my hand is on the 
mouse instead of the keyboard (I use this one dozens of times every day).
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Re: compacting empty email folders

[Bill Spikowski]

Rick Merrill wrote:

compacting empty email folders saves 18MB (in one case).

This is  a folder with nothing in the trash, nothing in the inbox.
I only tried this on a whim because I had always assumed that totally empty 
accounts
had no over head.

Soo, can "compact on exit" be done???



Not sure how to do exactly THAT -- but you can try this:

EDIT | PREFERENCES | MAIL & NEWSGROUPS | NETWORK & STORAGE | DISK SPACE | "Compact 
all folders when it will save over __ MB in total"

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Re: SM 2.30 a disaster

[Bill Spikowski]

Judy Dolby McBean wrote:

SM 2.30 is non-stop trouble!  Profile manager not working.freezes, 1 inbox 
crashed, I choose profile to go somewhere and get another.  I can't depend on 
it.

I want to go back to previous version, How can I stop it from automatically 
updating back to 2.30?




Go to Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software Installation and, in the SeaMonkey section, 
de-select "Automatically check for updates" and/or de-select Automatically download and 
install the updates.

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Re: "password dot" problem

[Bill Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2014 10:35 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2014 6:33 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Try the extension Show my Password from <http://netcat.ath.cx/extensions.html>.

SM can't find this URL -- is there another way in?


Try
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/show-my-password/>.
The netcat.ath.cx URI is what is contained in the extension, which is
what was shown by the InfoList button on PrefBar.  The
addons.mozilla.org URI is what I have in my bookmarks, and it worked
when I tried it just now.

The addons.mozilla.org page indicates "Not available for SeaMonkey
2.26.1".  Try downloading it anyway and installing it from your local
hard drive.  Let me know in this thread if that does not work.  In that
case, file install.rdf within the .xpi file needs to be modified.  I can
do that and provide you with the result.

I couldn't get it to install; I'm running version 2.26

Then I downloaded the Firefox version, which also wouldn't install. Even "Extension 
Converter" wouldn't make it work!



I modified the install.rdf file, as I previously indicated might be
necessary.  The extension should now install in SeaMonkey through
version 2.31.  I then uploaded the .xpi file to
<http://www.rossde.com/test/show_my_password-2.0-fx+sm.xpi>.  Please let
me know when you download this and install it so that I can then delete
it from my Web server.

NOTE WELL:  I did NOT modify the install.rdf file for installation in
the current version of Firefox.


David -- thank you -- your version installed without incident.

The password doesn't appear on mouse hover, but the context menu has a "show 
password" option, which does the job for me!

This will solve my frequent problem with passwords not being accepted because the 
"shift lock" has been pressed inadvertently and I haven't realized it!

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Re: "password dot" problem

[BIll Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2014 6:33 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Try the extension Show my Password from <http://netcat.ath.cx/extensions.html>.


SM can't find this URL -- is there another way in?


Try
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/show-my-password/>.
The netcat.ath.cx URI is what is contained in the extension, which is
what was shown by the InfoList button on PrefBar.  The
addons.mozilla.org URI is what I have in my bookmarks, and it worked
when I tried it just now.

The addons.mozilla.org page indicates "Not available for SeaMonkey
2.26.1".  Try downloading it anyway and installing it from your local
hard drive.  Let me know in this thread if that does not work.  In that
case, file install.rdf within the .xpi file needs to be modified.  I can
do that and provide you with the result.


I couldn't get it to install; I'm running version 2.26

Then I downloaded the Firefox version, which also wouldn't install. Even "Extension 
Converter" wouldn't make it work!


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Re: "password dot" problem

[BIll Spikowski]

David E. Ross wrote:
Try the extension Show my Password from . 



SM can't find this URL -- is there another way in?
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Re: scam notice

[BIll Spikowski]

Smiles wrote:

how do I turn off the email scam notification in seamonkey



Edit - Preferences - Mail & Newsgroups - Junk & Suspect Mail - UNcheck "Tell me if 
..."
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Re: 2.30 upgrade breaks seamonkey

[Bill Davidsen]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/16/2014 04:41 AM, jkdingw...@gmail.com wrote:

I allowed SeaMonkey to auto-update from 2.29.1 to 2.30 this morning but it
appears to have broken the install for me and I'm unable to recover.  The
symptoms are that SeaMonkey will start but all windows have a normal border
with all content being black.  OS is Windows 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit).  I
have tried the following steps to try and make it work:

Delete C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey and reinstall
Update video display drivers (Nvidia NVS 4200M)
Manually create a new profile by editing profiles.ini to add an extra entry
Delete registry keys relating to SeaMonkey/Mozilla/Netscape from HKCU/Software
and HKLM/Software.

Reverting to 2.29.1 restores the correct behaviour.

Has anyone else seen and solved a similar issue or is this worthy of a bug
report?




Disable hardware acceleration in SM 2.30. Edit > Preferences > Appearance >
Content.

How do you do that? The pages are all black, a tribute to a minimalist theme, 
but not a good GUI.


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Re: v2.30 is out.

[Bill Davidsen]

EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.30/ but no final
release notes yet? I hope they fixed the issues I saw in v2.29 to cause
me to go back to v2.26.1 like the address books' sorting, place.sqlite's
history getting corrupted, etc.

Thank you in advance. :)


The addressbook is fixed, but the bookmark restore from backup is not.


Great, you get a false sense of security from having a backup, then it tells you 
you have nothing.


If you make a backup will older versions retrore the backup (ie. backup is 
good), or will a backup from an old version restore fine on 2.30 (restore is 
okay, backup is broken)?


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Re: v2.29's addressbooks not sorting correctly in its Name column?

[Bill Davidsen]

Ant wrote:

On 10/16/2014 4:53 AM PT, Philip Chee typed:


"You can now insert formulas in Composer using a dialog (LaTeX to MathML)."
1. Everybody here say, when someone ask for a correction, that Composer
is dead BUT enhancements are not dead ??? In my opinion Corrections of
bugs are more important than New-Features.


It's dead in the sense that nobody regularly writes code for the
Composer component any more. A *volunteer* with an itch to fix something
important to their selves wrote the above patch. I doubt that he's
interested in fixing anything else in the Composer codebase. We call
these: drive-by fixes/patches.

So here we have an unlikely combination of someone with an issue they
want fixed, and who also has the knowledge to fix it.


Do many people even use Composer?


Me, it has just the level of capability I need to create a tree structured bunch 
of pages connected by links. Don't need vast fancy things, just want to be able 
to make something which will build usable pages, in a way faster than typing 
HTML in vi.


A simple, easy to use, portable tool is irreplaceable.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1

[Bill Davidsen]

NoOp wrote:

On 10/06/2014 10:19 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


Since linux64 does exist (in unofficial) and we release langpacks you can
install into linux64, we have not made that process a higher priority, than,
say, actually releasing betas or releases in general. (You'll note that the
latest round of betas are still delayed).

I thank you for your continued interest, and hope to have more to share "soon".

~Justin Wood (Callek)


It's not lack of an official release that bothers me as much as having to spend
a lot of time trying to find a version of Lightning which works with each 64 bit
update (in some cases I fail). I believe that's true for other packages as well,
but Lightning is my one and only blocker to upgrade, other than outright bugs
like saving bookmarks and/or passwords in recoverable format.

Would it be possible for someone to add a URL for that to the release notes? To
me that is vastly more important 64 bit support than making a package official
or not. Again, I suspect other 64 bit users have a similar issue with other
packages, I'll let them make their own case.



Lightning updates have been working just fine for me recently w/linux 64
and 32 bit. However when they don't I have this page bookmarked:
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions>
and refer to that for the version numbers.
I also have this bookmarked:
<http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/releases/>

Note: I'm currently running SM 2.30:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0
SeaMonkey/2.30
and
Lightning   3.5b1 {e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}


I shall cautiously try 2.29.1 again, thanks.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29.1

[Bill Davidsen]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


Since linux64 does exist (in unofficial) and we release langpacks you can
install into linux64, we have not made that process a higher priority, than,
say, actually releasing betas or releases in general. (You'll note that the
latest round of betas are still delayed).

I thank you for your continued interest, and hope to have more to share "soon".

~Justin Wood (Callek)


It's not lack of an official release that bothers me as much as having to spend 
a lot of time trying to find a version of Lightning which works with each 64 bit 
update (in some cases I fail). I believe that's true for other packages as well, 
but Lightning is my one and only blocker to upgrade, other than outright bugs 
like saving bookmarks and/or passwords in recoverable format.


Would it be possible for someone to add a URL for that to the release notes? To 
me that is vastly more important 64 bit support than making a package official 
or not. Again, I suspect other 64 bit users have a similar issue with other 
packages, I'll let them make their own case.


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Re: Message Filters

[BIll Spikowski]

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

>On that one, a guess would be that you may have set configs for sent mail to 
write copies to the Junk folder.

That's not it for my situation; the messages from me that get routed to junk 
were sent from my phone, or from a different computer.

I found the filter log, conveniently named 'filterlog.html' -- but I haven't 
been able to locate what's causing this behavior. Perhaps it's something in the 
junk filtering system, rather than my customized message filters.


Each individual profile has its own auto-learn junk filter.

Thus, if you are creating messages on your phone, and they get classified as 
junk on your primary working computer, the thing to do is to make sure that 
everything that's getting designated as Junk on the computer gets explicitly 
marked as Not Junk (using shift-J).

For stuff that you've created, there's enough similarities of messages that it 
should take designating only a couple as Not Junk for the filter to recognize 
that your stuff isn't Junk.


YES -- that sounds like it should fix my situation with very little effort -- 
I'll try it!

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Re: Message Filters

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Bill Spikowski wrote:

Does anyone know where the log file is stored? I'd like to be able
to review it somewhere more convenient than the window provided by
Seamonkey, and be able to search the log file.

I've found msgFilterRules.dat, but all I see there is the filter
definitions, not the filter log.

I think you need to install the SQLite Manager and then find the message
datbase under the SeaMonkey user profile in yor ~/home/Mozilla.


I finally found the filter log file -- in a file named filterlog.html.

It's a plain text file that I can view in a text editor; would the SQLite 
Manage be able to view and manipulate this file?
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Re: Message Filters

[BIll Spikowski]

NFN Smith wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:


I hadn't even thought about performance improvements; I'm mainly
trying to figure out why certain emails are getting filtered when I
don't want them to. For instance, any email FROM me has gotten sent
to junk, for years now!



On that one, a guess would be that you may have set configs for sent mail to 
write copies to the Junk folder.

Normally, you want the defaults for that, although when I'm working from a 
profile that's not my primary one (e.g. on another machine), I'll set that 
profile to write sent messages to my inbox.  That way, when I next work from my 
normal connection (which is POP), I have a copy of the original message that I 
can put in my normal filing system.


That's not it for my situation; the messages from me that get routed to junk 
were sent from my phone, or from a different computer.

I found the filter log, conveniently named 'filterlog.html' -- but I haven't 
been able to locate what's causing this behavior. Perhaps it's something in the 
junk filtering system, rather than my customized message filters.

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Re: Message Filters

[BIll Spikowski]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

Does anyone know where the log file is stored? I'd like to be able to review it
somewhere more convenient than the window provided by Seamonkey, and be able to
search the log file.

I've found msgFilterRules.dat, but all I see there is the filter definitions,
not the filter log.

I hadn't even thought about performance improvements; I'm mainly trying to
figure out why certain emails are getting filtered when I don't want them to.
For instance, any email FROM me has gotten sent to junk, for years now!

(I just found a couple of extensions, "filter for filters" and "quickfilters,"
and am trying to make them work to allow filters to be sorted by the name and be
searched.)


The order in which they are displayed is the order in which they are run, 
unless there is no interaction between them that's probably NOT what you want. 
Where multiple rules may apply to a single message you need some thought not to 
put the rules in the wrong order and do something really unexpected to yourself.

For rules you want to run on every message, put them first if performance 
doesn't matter as much as not missing something. The, for performance, put 
rules which will delete or move many messages before rules which you expect to 
hit only a few messages. Put rules which are cheap to run, looking at message 
size or header fields, before filters which look in the body of the message.




The 'quickfilters' extension works great for sorting filters by name!

I haven't noticed any performance difference, or odd interaction, after sorting 
them by name. Maybe that's because my filters are nearly all by sender name, or 
a word in the subject line -- and don't require looking into the message body.

I've managed to eliminate about a third of the filters because they're clearly 
obsolete, and consolidate dozens more that were various attempts at achieving 
the same result.

(BTW, Quickfilters also has a feature for SEARCHING the filters, but I haven't 
figured out how to make that work yet.)

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Re: SM 2.29 no Flash plugin

[Bill Davidsen]

MCBastos wrote:

On 15/09/2014 08:08, Mr. Ed wrote:


Interesting note on that page:
"Flash Player 11.2 is the *last* supported Flash Player version for
Linux OS."


That's because Flash is its way out and Adobe knows it. iOS never
allowed it, then they dropped support on Android, then Linux and
Solaris... it's just a matter of time until OSX and Windows are dropped too.

Unfortunately the rest of the world disagrees and releases content in flash 
format. Now, if you make movies and get money from ad clicks for people watching 
them, you use what the people watch, and have a number of formats available. 
However, if you are a company and made an instructional video for your product 
which people watch for free, you don't care if people can't watch it, they can 
get the viewer or pay you to come service the product.


And that's why flash is a must for me, because I need to information and will do 
what I need to to be able to view it. Market pressure at it finest.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start

[Bill Davidsen]

Ray_Net wrote:

Francois LE COAT wrote, On 17/09/2014 22:46:

Hi,

Ray_Net writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote, On 12/09/2014 14:35:

I have installed the French language pack from the following URL :

<ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi>


with the 2.26 version of SeaMonkey, if I remember well.


Have you installed
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.29/langpack/seamonkey-2.29.fr.langpack.xpi


with the 2.29 version of SeaMonkey ?


I'm sorry ... I couldn't have installed this version of language pack,
because SeaMonkey 2.29 is not even starting. There's only a box, with
an error message, as I reported in this thread. I don't have access
to SeaMonkey 2.29 ... Do you understand ? It is updated, and it fails.

As far as I understood, French localized version of SeaMonkey 2.29
is only working for Microsoft Windows users. It doesn't work for
me neither under OS X 10.6.8, nor Kubuntu 14.04 GNU/Linux.

SeaMonkey 2.29 is a bad update, that I have to cancel back to 2.26.

I hope you're understanding ? There's a problem with the "parser" :-(

Regards,


Ok, ok - i never do upgrade nor downgrade.
I remove the version i want to quit removing all extensions before.
then i install the version i want to use and install extensions(of the same
version of the new SM).


That's a good way to do it, how do you install the extensions, since the binary 
won't start? Is there an installer out of band?


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Re: Message Filters

[Bill Davidsen]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

If you haven't done so, you might want to enable logging for a couple of
weeks, and see which rules are being hit, and which ones aren't.  For the
ones that aren't, consider disabling or deleting, and you might see a little
bit of a performance improvement.


I'll try logging -- hadn't thought about using that to weed out obsolete 
filters!


Actually, logging is already enabled, and has been since 2010!

Does anyone know where the log file is stored? I'd like to be able to review it
somewhere more convenient than the window provided by Seamonkey, and be able to
search the log file.

I've found msgFilterRules.dat, but all I see there is the filter definitions,
not the filter log.

I hadn't even thought about performance improvements; I'm mainly trying to
figure out why certain emails are getting filtered when I don't want them to.
For instance, any email FROM me has gotten sent to junk, for years now!

(I just found a couple of extensions, "filter for filters" and "quickfilters,"
and am trying to make them work to allow filters to be sorted by the name and be
searched.)


The order in which they are displayed is the order in which they are run, unless 
there is no interaction between them that's probably NOT what you want. Where 
multiple rules may apply to a single message you need some thought not to put 
the rules in the wrong order and do something really unexpected to yourself.


For rules you want to run on every message, put them first if performance 
doesn't matter as much as not missing something. The, for performance, put rules 
which will delete or move many messages before rules which you expect to hit 
only a few messages. Put rules which are cheap to run, looking at message size 
or header fields, before filters which look in the body of the message.


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Re: Message Filters

[BIll Spikowski]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

If you haven't done so, you might want to enable logging for a couple of weeks, 
and see which rules are being hit, and which ones aren't.  For the ones that 
aren't, consider disabling or deleting, and you might see a little bit of a 
performance improvement.


I'll try logging -- hadn't thought about using that to weed out obsolete 
filters!


Actually, logging is already enabled, and has been since 2010!

Does anyone know where the log file is stored? I'd like to be able to review it 
somewhere more convenient than the window provided by Seamonkey, and be able to 
search the log file.

I've found msgFilterRules.dat, but all I see there is the filter definitions, 
not the filter log.

I hadn't even thought about performance improvements; I'm mainly trying to 
figure out why certain emails are getting filtered when I don't want them to. 
For instance, any email FROM me has gotten sent to junk, for years now!

(I just found a couple of extensions, "filter for filters" and "quickfilters," 
and am trying to make them work to allow filters to be sorted by the name and be searched.)
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Re: Message Filters

[BIll Spikowski]

NFN Smith wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

I've accumulated several hundred message filters over the years.

They're apparently displayed in the order they were created.

Are there any tools that would allow me to sort them, or put them in folders, 
or compare and delete duplicate entries?



Other than being able to shift up or down (and altering order of execution), 
I'm not aware of any.

That said, if you have that many, chances are probably pretty good that you've 
got a bunch that are rarely being hit, if at all.

If you haven't done so, you might want to enable logging for a couple of weeks, 
and see which rules are being hit, and which ones aren't.  For the ones that 
aren't, consider disabling or deleting, and you might see a little bit of a 
performance improvement.

Smith



I'll try logging -- hadn't thought about using that to weed out obsolete 
filters!

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Message Filters

[BIll Spikowski]

I've accumulated several hundred message filters over the years.

They're apparently displayed in the order they were created.

Are there any tools that would allow me to sort them, or put them in folders, 
or compare and delete duplicate entries?

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Re: Remember Passwords add-on function - how can we get it back in 2.29 now?

[Bill Salisbury]

I am having the same problem.  Having benn using it for about 20 years.  Bill
Pardon the poor prior message



On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:23 AM, Bill Salisbury 
 wrote:
 


I  am having the same problem.  Makes SM almost useless after sing for 20 
years.  Bill



On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:20 AM, David H. Durgee  
wrote:
 


Thanks to keeping an eye on this newsgroup, I have avoided the worst of 
the problems others
 have reported by disabling the "Remember Passwords" 
add-on prior to upgrading SeaMonkey to the 2.29 release.  While I have 
avoided the worst I am still seeing problems.  Seven web sites that I 
was able to access with ease before the upgrade are now a problem, 
requiring me to go to a data manager tab and copy a password as opposed 
to simply having it filled in automatically.  This is annoying!

Is the developer of the Remember Passwords add-on still active?  Could 
he issue an update that works with 2.29 that will bring back the lost 
function?  If not, can the developers incorporate the complete function, 
not the partial fix they obviously have implemented, as release a 2.29.1 
with it quickly?

Thank you for any assistance you can give in getting this back to 
working as it did with 2.26.2 and the Remember Passwords
 add-on.

Dave
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Re: Remember Passwords add-on function - how can we get it back in 2.29 now?

[Bill Salisbury]

I  am having the same problem.  Makes SM almost useless after sing for 20 
years.  Bill



On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:20 AM, David H. Durgee  
wrote:
 


Thanks to keeping an eye on this newsgroup, I have avoided the worst of 
the problems others have reported by disabling the "Remember Passwords" 
add-on prior to upgrading SeaMonkey to the 2.29 release.  While I have 
avoided the worst I am still seeing problems.  Seven web sites that I 
was able to access with ease before the upgrade are now a problem, 
requiring me to go to a data manager tab and copy a password as opposed 
to simply having it filled in automatically.  This is annoying!

Is the developer of the Remember Passwords add-on still active?  Could 
he issue an update that works with 2.29 that will bring back the lost 
function?  If not, can the developers incorporate the complete function, 
not the partial fix they obviously have implemented, as release a 2.29.1 
with it quickly?

Thank you for any assistance you can give in getting this back to 
working as it did with 2.26.2 and the Remember Passwords add-on.

Dave
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Re: Junk filters acting up

[BIll Spikowski]

Trane Francks wrote:

Unless my commercial webhost turned something on, no. There is nothing being 
added to the subject line, they are just going

in to SM's junk folder. It's infrequent enough that I haven't gotten any of 
these on my laptop, although I do have everything forwarding to gmail so will 
check there.

Junk mail training is an ongoing process. Any time SeaMonkey marks good mail as 
junk, be sure to unmark it. Any mail that comes in that is junk but not 
correctly filtered, be sure to mark it as junk.


I rarely have the situation where SM marks good mail as junk, so I've never 
been able to follow this official advice on how to properly train the junk 
detection system:

Junk processing must be well *trained* for it to work correctly. Training involves marking many 
messages as "junk" and many messages as "not junk". It is important to mark 
*both types of messages*, both good and bad, not just the ones that are junk.

*Initially*, incoming messages might not be accurately junked because you have 
not trained it enough.

 1. Check your Junk folder to see if any non-junk messages have been detected 
as junk, and mark non-junk ones as not junk.
 2. Bayesian filtering requires at least 100 bad messages be marked as spam and 
100 good messages marked as not junk to function. To work best, it needs a few 
hundred of each marked.
  * If you mark a thousand spam messages but do not mark legitimate 
messages, or very few, it won't work well.
  * It's best to mark *different types* of messages good and bad - marking 
500 messages from the same source is not as good as marking 500 messages from 
different people.


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Junk_Mail_Controls
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Re: SM 2.17.1 Junk folder question

[BIll Spikowski]

chicagofan wrote:

I cannot find a location to set the days for messages toremain in the Junk 
Folder before being automatically deleted. All I can find is a way to manually 
delete them all.

Am I overlooking it, or has it been removed?


EDIT | MAIL & NEWSGROUP ACCOUNT SETTINGS | JUNK SETTINGS | DESTINATION AND 
RETENTION

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Re: [Spam] marking email

[BIll Spikowski]

William wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

William wrote:

Occasionally an email I receive has the mark "[Spam]" added to the
subject line.  Most of them are from retailers I have dealt with, so I
don't consider them spam.  I delete them and they sit in my trash file.

I'm a bit concerned that whatever adds this (Spam Assassin, apparently,
will someday wake up and start deleting these before I have a chance to
read and delete them.

I read through preferences and found nothing about Spam Assassin, but
there were a couple of items I had marked so that this type of message
is not deleted until I do the deleting.

So how can I end this spam marking, or is it really not a problem.


This is an ISP issue looking at your email address it seems to cox.net.
I would use your browser and log into cox.net WEB Mail. From there you
should be able to go in and set your spam filter a little more relaxed.
I you have certain address that you want to come through and not be spam
then you should be able to add them to you white list.

Danny,


I've never installed spam assassin, and a search of my hard drive doesn't find 
it.

I visited my ISP and they had three options for dealing with spam. First (and 
the active one) was that they would delete all spam. Second was that they would 
place all spam in a junk file and it would disappear in 21 days.  Third was 
that they would add [spam] to the subject and send it along to me.

I didn't like having someone else make the decision, and I didn't like having 
to visit my ISP periodically to check if I agreed with their decision, So I 
selected the third option.

What still puzzles me is that they appear to zap some email, and forward some 
email, from the same sender.


That's the nature of automated spam killers -- they can be pretty 
sophisticated, but I'd never trust one to automatically delete what they deem 
to be spam!

My ISP uses Spam Assassin, which weeds out maybe 98% of the crap, but blocks a 
fair amount of stuff I want to see (particularly emails from on-line merchants, 
and email lists that I may have subscribed to). Spam Assassin comes with white 
lists and black lists that I make great use of, but still - I've set up a 
separate IMAP account in Seamonkey for the Spam Assassin junk folder; that way 
I can see what it wants to throw away without leaving Seamonkey. Every day or 
two I scroll through the crap, rescuing a stray now and then, and deleting the 
rest. That occasional exercise sure beats being deluged by spam all day long!
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