from:"bill"

hawker wrote:
> I get a pile of MS Outlook invites. I never see them as Seamonkey (and I 
> assume Thunderbrird)just ignore them.
> It seems to be to be incredibly vain to assume everyone is using Outlook 
> but so it seems to be with sales folks.
> 
> So is there any plug in so that I actually get them and can read them? 
> Would lightning do this?

My sentiments exactly about the Outlook folks -- but I don't think
they're changing, so some kind of add-on would sure help those of us
who prefer Seamonkey





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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> Actually, all I really want is to be able to set a minimum font size
>> for plain text emails and not have it automatically apply to the
>> browser. (Maybe that's a tall order, I wouldn't have any way of
>> knowing.)
> 
> Actually, by definition plain text has no font specification. You can 
> set your prefs to use a particular font style and size:
>   Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts | Monospace...
> but the incoming message itself has no font specification.
> 
> So for example if you set Monospace to 20 pt Courier and Minimum font 
> size to 14, your browser will obey the 14 point spec (because HTML pages 
> do specify font styles and sizes) but your plain text emails will appear 
> in 20 point Courier.


In your example, how does the mail client know to use 20 pt instead of
14 pt?

I've never been able to find documentation or puzzle out how those
particular settings work; I just mess with them until SOMETHING looks
good, only to realize that the new settings mess something else up
terribly!


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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, all I really want is to be able to set a minimum font size
>>>>>> for plain text emails and not have it automatically apply to the
>>>>>> browser. (Maybe that's a tall order, I wouldn't have any way of
>>>>>> knowing.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, by definition plain text has no font specification. You can
>>>>> set your prefs to use a particular font style and size:
>>>>>   Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts | Monospace...
>>>>> but the incoming message itself has no font specification.
>>>>>
>>>>> So for example if you set Monospace to 20 pt Courier and Minimum font
>>>>> size to 14, your browser will obey the 14 point spec (because HTML pages
>>>>> do specify font styles and sizes) but your plain text emails will appear
>>>>> in 20 point Courier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In your example, how does the mail client know to use 20 pt instead of
>>>> 14 pt?
>>>
>>> I'm gonna guess that it assumes plain text is fixed-width (monospace).
>>
>>
>> Whatever the reason -- that works for me in the "Compose" window, but
>> not in the preview pane, or after double-clicking incoming messages.
>>
>> That's my biggest problems -- scanning huge numbers of incoming emails
>> on a high-resolution monitor, without having to put my face right
>> against the screen!
>>
>> Is there some way to make this work for incoming emails?
> 
> Strange, it works fine for me, except of course for HTML messages.


OK -- as long as I know it SHOULD work, I'll see if I can make it work
that way here. It would resolve a long-standing problem for me!


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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> I'm experimenting on three different machines and the results are
>> inconsistent.
>>
>> Setting a "monospace" font and font size always results in that font
>> and size being used in the Compose windows, but I can't figure out why
>> it's so inconsistent as to the preview pane.
>>
>> I understand that this setting won't affect incoming emails that were
>> composed in HTML, but it's inconsistent even on what I believe are
>> plain-text emails. How can I tell which are in plain text for sure?
>> One idea is that some incoming emails might look like plain text
>> because they appear in Courier New, my choice of monospace font, but
>> actually be HTML.
> 
> Depending on the sender's settings, sometimes messages are sent in both 
> plain text and HTML. Depending on the recipient's settings, one or the 
> other of those will be displayed.
> 
> If you examine the "source code" of such a message (with the message 
> open, do CTRL-U), you'll see something like this (ellipses indicate 
> omissions for the sake of clarity):
> 
>   Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="gobbledygook"
>   Content-language: en-us
>   ...
>   
>   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>   
>   --gobbledygook
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>   
>   ...
>   
>   --gobbledygook
>   Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>   
>   ...
> 
> In this example, the sending machine marked the first copy of the 
> message as plain text and the second copy as HTML. I've used the word 
> "gobbledygook" to represent the alphabet soup you'll actually see for 
> the boundary.
> 
> I'm not sure how SM handles such messages, but I would expect plain-text 
> settings to apply if the rules say to display the message as plain text, 
> and HTML settings to apply if the rules say to display the message as 
> HTML. But I can't figure out how to specify these rules.
> 
> Another possibility is that some of your senders may have specified 
> non-Western encodings. If you look carefully at
>   Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts
> you will find that Monospace can be set differently for different 
> encodings. For example, I have Western monospace set to Courier New, but 
> Korean monospace set to GulimChe. So if a sender specifies Korean 
> encoding, I'll see it in GulimChe instead of Courier New. You can also 
> set different sizes for different encodings.
> 
> Two other places you may want to look:
> 
> 1) Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Message Display
> 
> There's an option:
>   Plain text messages
>   Font: (•) Fixed width (o) Variable width
> 
> So you could set it to display plain-text messages with proportional 
> font(s), but AFAIK the default is fixed-width.
> 
> 2) Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Composition
> There's an option:
>   Defaults for HTML Messages:
>   Font: [Variable Width]
> 
> You can pull down [Fixed Width] or a specific font from the list.


This is incredibly helpful!

On my office computer, I had specified "variable width" for displaying
plain text messages; that's why they showed up in Charter BT instead
of Courier New.

I had completely forgotten about CTRL-U! Next time messages show up
strange, I'll able to figure out how they were sent.

And now that I know about CTRL-0, I'll always know whether the current
zoom level is the default, or the result of my recent efforts.

My only regret is that this information is buried in a string on
another subject, where it may be hard for others to find
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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, all I really want is to be able to set a minimum font size
>>>> for plain text emails and not have it automatically apply to the
>>>> browser. (Maybe that's a tall order, I wouldn't have any way of
>>>> knowing.)
>>>
>>> Actually, by definition plain text has no font specification. You can
>>> set your prefs to use a particular font style and size:
>>> Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts | Monospace...
>>> but the incoming message itself has no font specification.
>>>
>>> So for example if you set Monospace to 20 pt Courier and Minimum font
>>> size to 14, your browser will obey the 14 point spec (because HTML pages
>>> do specify font styles and sizes) but your plain text emails will appear
>>> in 20 point Courier.
>>
>>
>> In your example, how does the mail client know to use 20 pt instead of
>> 14 pt?
> 
> I'm gonna guess that it assumes plain text is fixed-width (monospace).


Whatever the reason -- that works for me in the "Compose" window, but
not in the preview pane, or after double-clicking incoming messages.

That's my biggest problems -- scanning huge numbers of incoming emails
on a high-resolution monitor, without having to put my face right
against the screen!

Is there some way to make this work for incoming emails?




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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

BIll Spikowski wrote:
> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, all I really want is to be able to set a minimum font size
>>>>>>> for plain text emails and not have it automatically apply to the
>>>>>>> browser. (Maybe that's a tall order, I wouldn't have any way of
>>>>>>> knowing.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, by definition plain text has no font specification. You can
>>>>>> set your prefs to use a particular font style and size:
>>>>>>  Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts | Monospace...
>>>>>> but the incoming message itself has no font specification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So for example if you set Monospace to 20 pt Courier and Minimum font
>>>>>> size to 14, your browser will obey the 14 point spec (because HTML pages
>>>>>> do specify font styles and sizes) but your plain text emails will appear
>>>>>> in 20 point Courier.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In your example, how does the mail client know to use 20 pt instead of
>>>>> 14 pt?
>>>>
>>>> I'm gonna guess that it assumes plain text is fixed-width (monospace).
>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever the reason -- that works for me in the "Compose" window, but
>>> not in the preview pane, or after double-clicking incoming messages.
>>>
>>> That's my biggest problems -- scanning huge numbers of incoming emails
>>> on a high-resolution monitor, without having to put my face right
>>> against the screen!
>>>
>>> Is there some way to make this work for incoming emails?
>>
>> Strange, it works fine for me, except of course for HTML messages.
> 
> 
> OK -- as long as I know it SHOULD work, I'll see if I can make it work
> that way here. It would resolve a long-standing problem for me!

I'm experimenting on three different machines and the results are
inconsistent.

Setting a "monospace" font and font size always results in that font
and size being used in the Compose windows, but I can't figure out why
it's so inconsistent as to the preview pane.

I understand that this setting won't affect incoming emails that were
composed in HTML, but it's inconsistent even on what I believe are
plain-text emails. How can I tell which are in plain text for sure?
One idea is that some incoming emails might look like plain text
because they appear in Courier New, my choice of monospace font, but
actually be HTML.

On one machine, all incoming plain-text emails appear in Charter BT
font, which I recognize because it's the default font I use for word
processing documents. However, the only instructions I've given SM
regarding Charter BT is to use it as the serif font, which if I'm
understanding how all this is supposed to work, shouldn't affect
plain-text emails but should apply to websites that don't specify a
serif font.

In researching this further on-line, the SM font dialog box seems to
be inherited from Firefox, which is a surprise to me because I had
never been able to find how to set fonts in Firefox. That could
explain why SM doesn't provide any documentation of this feature and
why confused users posting to this group advise each other around in
circles, never truly figuring out how this is supposed to work!

Thanks Paul for offering the most knowledgeable advice to date.

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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

Hartmut Figge wrote:
> BIll Spikowski:
> 
>> For me, having them together in a suite seems more harmful than helpful:
>>
>> -- When one crashes, the other crashes with it. Not every day; but
>> often a few times a day
> 
> For me crashes occur very seldom althoug i am using Trunk. And those
> crashes are fixed quickly.
> 
> Hartmut

The crashes could be from problems on my computer, rather than with
SM. It's annoying, but not that big of a deal, especially now with the
"restore session" feature.

Whereas, the font problem is a really big deal to me. I'm testing
other browsers right now (once again) to see if I could live with one
of them instead of SM, even though they all seem inferior for my
needs. The real issue is the font minimum size glitch, which has been
a problem forever and seems unlikely to ever get fixed.

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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

WaltS wrote:
>  
> Why install a suite if you ain't gonna use it?

Well, it depends on why you installed the suite in the first place!

I use the SM browser and SM mail because I like both pieces of
software MUCH better than any of the competition.

For me, having them together in a suite seems more harmful than helpful:

-- When one crashes, the other crashes with it. Not every day; but
often a few times a day

-- The font preferences would be better if they could be set
separately for the browser and email client. If I set a minimum font
size sufficient for me to be able to read email, then many web pages
aren't readable because their text is in a constrained box. How is
that setup helpful to users?

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Re: outlook invites

hawker wrote:
> On 6/4/2013 1:49 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> hawker wrote:
>>> On 6/4/2013 11:19 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>> Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> hawker a tapoté, le 03/06/2013 18:05:
>>>>>> So is there any plug in so that I actually get them and can read them?
>>>>>> Would lightning do this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes : 
>>>>> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Calendar/Calendar_Versions>
>>>>
>>>> What am I looking at? Is Calendar an extension that will work with
>>>> Outlook invites? Or do I need Lightning (whatever that is)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>   From what I can tell Calendar and Lightning are the same thing.
>>> Lighting is a calendar plug in that gives many features, one of which is
>>> the ability to read Outlook invites.  I think much of the Outlook style
>>> scheduling, calendar, meeting invites etc is rolled into Lighting.
>>> It seems to "outlook-ize" Mozilla products.
>>> I have not yet tried it.  The only thing moving me to it is keeping up
>>> with sales folks that use Outlook.
>>
>>
>> Regrettably it's not compatible with the current version of Seamonkey;
>> otherwise I'd try it out.
>>
>> Just today I missed a teleconference because the email announcement
>> said June 6, but all the other attendees got the Outlook announcement
>> that had the correct date, June 4!
>>
>>
> 
> It IS available for the current version of Seamonkey - but you have to 
> pay attention to which one to install. Look at the link above.
> If your on 2.17.1 (the current version) use Lightning 2.2B1 download is here
> https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/downloads/file/196540/lightning-2.2b1-sm+tb-windows.xpi?src=version-history
> If your on a different version use the chart to download the correct 
> version from the list here
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Calendar/Calendar_Versions


Right out of the box, I see one big advantage of Lightning -- messages
from Outlook users that contain calendar items are now highlighted!

That simple point of knowledge is important, even if the rest of the
calendar function doesn't work out for me...

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Re: outlook invites

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> hawker a tapoté, le 03/06/2013 18:05:
>> So is there any plug in so that I actually get them and can read them? 
>> Would lightning do this?
> 
> Yes : 

What am I looking at? Is Calendar an extension that will work with
Outlook invites? Or do I need Lightning (whatever that is)?


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Re: outlook invites

hawker wrote:
> On 6/4/2013 11:19 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> hawker a tapoté, le 03/06/2013 18:05:
>>>> So is there any plug in so that I actually get them and can read them?
>>>> Would lightning do this?
>>>
>>> Yes : <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Calendar/Calendar_Versions>
>>
>> What am I looking at? Is Calendar an extension that will work with
>> Outlook invites? Or do I need Lightning (whatever that is)?
>>
>>
> 
>  From what I can tell Calendar and Lightning are the same thing.
> Lighting is a calendar plug in that gives many features, one of which is 
> the ability to read Outlook invites.  I think much of the Outlook style 
> scheduling, calendar, meeting invites etc is rolled into Lighting.
> It seems to "outlook-ize" Mozilla products.
> I have not yet tried it.  The only thing moving me to it is keeping up 
> with sales folks that use Outlook.


Regrettably it's not compatible with the current version of Seamonkey;
otherwise I'd try it out.

Just today I missed a teleconference because the email announcement
said June 6, but all the other attendees got the Outlook announcement
that had the correct date, June 4!


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Re: Pref to redirect mailto: links?

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> Whereas, the font problem is a really big deal to me. I'm testing
>> other browsers right now (once again) to see if I could live with
>> one of them instead of SM, even though they all seem inferior for my
>> needs. The real issue is the font minimum size glitch, which has
>> been a problem forever and seems unlikely to ever get fixed.
> 
> For that (and really, it's not SM's fault that some idiot web designers 
> use constrained boxes), I suggest you use CTRL-+/- to adjust the zoom.

Yes -- without CTRL +/- I could not survive!

Yet there are many websites where that doesn't help; for instance, the
font expands at the same rate as the constrained box, making both
larger, but not allowing any more text to be visible.

I don't know all the reasons that lead web designers to their
creations, but rather than assuming they're idiots and waiting for
them to "see the light," I wish a browser as sophisticated and
manipulable as SM would let me see their sites TODAY!

There was an extension that solved this problem for me for years ("no
squint" maybe?) but it didn't survive the transition to SM 2.0.

Actually, all I really want is to be able to set a minimum font size
for plain text emails and not have it automatically apply to the
browser. (Maybe that's a tall order, I wouldn't have any way of knowing.)

> If you zoom in email and then launch the browser, the browser will start 
> with that same zoom level. But you can clear it with CTRL-0, and from 
> then on, with both modules open, you can zoom them independently.

Well this is news to me -- thanks for the tip! I'll experiment
immediately. I typically leave the SM mail window open all the time,
while opening and closing browser windows throughout the day.

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Re: Telling SM to do internal reboot

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Davidsen


Jens Hatlak wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I know the developers will say there's no time to fix the problem of the
memory leak


There's no time to... SCNR. Incidentally I know that "the developers", which in
this case mostly means TB developers, continually fix memory leaks. So chances
are that the ones you are seeing are actually caused by add-ons rather than the
application itself.

So could you give of hint which of the add-ons which come standard are at fault? 
Chatzilla? DOM inspector? Do they leak even though you don't use them? The only 
add-ins typically installed are not used when the system is sitting there 
filtering mail neither Lightning nor quote collapse is being used, I'm not 
there. I restart Friday night and Monday the process is 3-4G large.


I'm not a big fan of add-on because I hate chasing updates, those two are about 
the only thing I normally install.


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Re: Minimum font size

David E. Ross wrote:
> On 5/20/13 10:23 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> In the browser appearance preferences, how do I get rid of the
>> mandatory font size for proportional and monospace fonts?
>>
>> I can set them from 8 to 72 points, but even after setting the
>> "minimum font size" box to "none," I can't get the browser to let
>> individual sites set the font size -- whatever font size I enter gets
>> applied to every site.
>>
> 
> Many Web pages do not specify a font size.  Without a default in your
> prferences, what should they use?

I have no problem with the browser setting a default for sites that
don't specify a font size, but right now I have no ability to use the
website-specified font size (or font style).

Each site I visit uses the font and font size I set in preferences,
and I have to CTRL + or - to make the site viewable.

This can't be right, so I assume I must be doing something wrong; and
perhaps fixing that will solve other problems I have with the SM
browser on certain websites.

Has anyone else had the problem of setting the "minimum font size" box
to "none," but still having the default font size controlling all
websites? I'm running Windows XP SP3 and the very latest SM version.

This isn't anything new, I'm just finally getting around to tracking
down the problem. I'll admit to fussing with the font size settings
dozens of times through the years; when I get everything just right
for reading emails, then I find that the browser display is messed up.
After I while I find some happy medium that works for both emails and
the browser, then I quit messing with the settings for a while.
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Re: Telling SM to do internal reboot

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ant wrote:

On 5/18/2013 5:12 PM PT, Bill Davidsen typed:


The mail filters in SM are highly useful, and I like to leave it running
to do sorting, moving, forwarding. and such as messages come in.
However, because SM still loses memory (at least on Linux) at an amazing
rate, a reboot every time it get to 2-3GB in size is desirable. In
particular the reboot to same open windows, as done after updating with
the add-on manager, would be ideal. Is there some way to trigger that,
such as a signal, which can be done externally?

I know the developers will say there's no time to fix the problem of the
memory leak, is there a way to get around it?


Why not do a manual restart (quit and relaunch)? I have to do this often. :(


How do I do that from a crontab? I have a script which checks space and kills 
when the process gets too big, but it would need manual intervention to enter 
the master password.


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Re: Minimum font size

Richard Owlett wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> In the browser appearance preferences, how do I get rid of the
>> mandatory font size for proportional and monospace fonts?
>>
>> I can set them from 8 to 72 points, but even after setting the
>> "minimum font size" box to "none," I can't get the browser to let
>> individual sites set the font size -- whatever font size I enter gets
>> applied to every site.
>>
> 
> I believe the check box titled "Allow documents to use other 
> fonts" will do so.


I've got that box checked; but it doesn't seem to allow "other fonts"
(or other font sizes) to be displayed...


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Re: let's make a high-visibility theme!

2013-05-22 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ben09880 wrote:

I am an aspiring theme creator and respectfully request any and all assistance
available to craft a theme for visually impaired individuals.

I currently use Notepad++ to write my CSS, and the extension "Stylish" to apply
them.

I am nervous of creating my own userChrome.css file, as I have no prior
knowledge of this structure/methodology/language/etc.

I am not a web programmer.  Padding, margins, etc. are all over my head, but I'm
trying.  I have a tiny bit of background from DOS, CP/M, C=Basic, etc.

If there is a more appropriate location on the internet for this (and please
don't say Mozillazine.org), please inform me.

I do believe a 'standard-high-visibility' theme should come standard... with
font scale options and icon scale options.  I've seen what others have created
and I am positive this is possible... but probably extremely difficult.

I have gotten so far as extracting omni.ja; I can make some sense of it, but not
much.


If you want it to be useful you can't stop with text, the icons need to be easy 
to identify as well. Just BIG isn't the answer, and don't use red and green 
mush, color blind people can't see them well. I have a friend who and see red on 
black at all, which I found when he was looking for a sign while I drove one night.


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Minimum font size

In the browser appearance preferences, how do I get rid of the
mandatory font size for proportional and monospace fonts?

I can set them from 8 to 72 points, but even after setting the
"minimum font size" box to "none," I can't get the browser to let
individual sites set the font size -- whatever font size I enter gets
applied to every site.
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Re: Minimum font size

BIll Spikowski wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 5/20/13 10:23 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>> In the browser appearance preferences, how do I get rid of the
>>> mandatory font size for proportional and monospace fonts?
>>>
>>> I can set them from 8 to 72 points, but even after setting the
>>> "minimum font size" box to "none," I can't get the browser to let
>>> individual sites set the font size -- whatever font size I enter gets
>>> applied to every site.
>>>
>>
>> Many Web pages do not specify a font size.  Without a default in your
>> prferences, what should they use?
> 
> 
> I have no problem with the browser setting a default for sites that
> don't specify a font size, but right now I have no ability to use the
> website-specified font size (or font style).
> 
> Each site I visit uses the font and font size I set in preferences,
> and I have to CTRL + or - to make the site viewable.
> 
> This can't be right, so I assume I must be doing something wrong; and
> perhaps fixing that will solve other problems I have with the SM
> browser on certain websites.
> 
> Has anyone else had the problem of setting the "minimum font size" box
> to "none," but still having the default font size controlling all
> websites? I'm running Windows XP SP3 and the very latest SM version.
> 
> This isn't anything new, I'm just finally getting around to tracking
> down the problem. I'll admit to fussing with the font size settings
> dozens of times through the years; when I get everything just right
> for reading emails, then I find that the browser display is messed up.
> After I while I find some happy medium that works for both emails and
> the browser, then I quit messing with the settings for a while.


I've got this fixed, though I still don't understand the problem.

I created a new profile and saw that everything worked as expected
with the default settings in Preferences | Appearance | Fonts.

In my regular profile, I tried resetting everything to match the
default settings in the new profile. The differences were almost
indistinguishable, yet the browser now displays fonts and font sizes
specified by individual.

Thank you to those who responded to my request!


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Re: NASA live tv feed


W3BNR wrote:

Can't view it in SM 2.8 with VLC Media Player (not downloadin), but it's working
in IE with VLC;

http://sites.wff.nasa.gov/webcast/


How does it work with work with versions of SM released in the last few years? 
They might support something like a recent plugin.


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Re: Old Eyes


Lee wrote:

Got a question for someone, at my advanced stage of decay I am finding
it a problem to read Sea Monkey.  The print is so small in the area
for listing of names etch and across the top where you can read the
incoming mail (not the body of text)is so small.  I know I can hit Ctrl
and + and enlarge the body print.  But the rest if I enlarge it more
than 12 it blocks out some parts of Sea Monkey.  Such as sign in.  Is
there any little trick other than getting a 50 inch monitor to be able
to read this stuff.  I did do the pref thing and did make the minimum
18 but as I said it blocked the name/password so I could not use it and
am now back to 12.  Especially where it says Subject from date above the
body of the msg!  Thanks!


One thing you can do is reduce the pixels on your screen, which may make your 
wallpaper less beautiful but will make everything bigger. On Linux you can 
usually do that on a temporary basis, Windows generally wants to bend you to its 
will and learn to cope with the default behavior.


I had my screen at 1600x900 and the wallpaper looked great, I could get a ton of 
stuff on the screen at the same time without using a bunch of desktops, and the 
only issue was that I could READ the stuff :-(


Changed to a less ambitious resolution and the issue went away. I do have an old 
42in TV which has a bad picture as a TV. It was replaced under warranty as 
having bad video, but fed from the computer it's fine. Fits my lifestyle but not 
my desk space.


Oh, I also have a pair of glasses optimized to exactly my normal viewing 
distance, and it was a well spent $200 to go with top quality hardware. That 
helps old eyes, too.


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Re: Old Eyes


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Ben09880 wrote:


For the time being, I have been able to create a theme that makes text
easier to read by changing all background elements within SeaMonkey to
be black, with all text white.


Are you sure you want to do that? Isn't it backwards with white-on-black?
I believe sharp black-on-white is much easier to read.

No, bright text on black screen is easier to read (for everyone, kids just don't 
notice). When the screen is bright the pupils shrink, think trying to see a 
traffic signal when the sun is in your eyes. That's why there's a "backlit" 
option on cameras.



White-on-black is common on garage band web sites...

I'm not sure that's relevant to the technical issues... I like green on black 
personally, that's also not relevant.


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Telling SM to do internal reboot

The mail filters in SM are highly useful, and I like to leave it running to do 
sorting, moving, forwarding. and such as messages come in. However, because SM 
still loses memory (at least on Linux) at an amazing rate, a reboot every time 
it get to 2-3GB in size is desirable. In particular the reboot to same open 
windows, as done after updating with the add-on manager, would be ideal. Is 
there some way to trigger that, such as a signal, which can be done externally?


I know the developers will say there's no time to fix the problem of the memory 
leak, is there a way to get around it?


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Re: RFE: Bundling BlueGriffon

2013-04-24 Thread Bill Davidsen


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


John Bessa wrote:


and my view is that composer is the way to go.


Composer is extremely old and hasn't been looked after in many
years. I'd suggest, if you want something this simple, that you look
into BlueGriffon, which is still currently being developed.

<http://www.bluegriffon.org/>

...


Given that situation, and since BlueGriffon is a "next-generation Web editor
based on the rendering engine of Firefox," how about the developers start
bundling /that/ instead of Composer?

Sure, take out the part that the rest of us use for what we do, and replace with 
something that suits you better. Composer works perfectly for what it does, 
ideal for small simple web pages, HTML documents, etc. If someone wants 
additional features by all means identify what suits you and go use it. 
Contribute time and/or money to get it added to seamonkey. NOTE: added not swapped.


You were given the web site, can't you even be bothered to go get the tool 
yourself and not break the workflow of hundreds or thousands of other users who 
are using the tool you want to remove. Why don't you go BUY one of the 
commercial tools if they suit you better?


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Re: Automatic checking for bookmarked sites updates

2013-04-04 Thread BIll Spikowski

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Ilya wrote:
>> Here's what SeaMonkey Help says:
>>
>> "You can also set SeaMonkey to check bookmarked websites for
>>changes.
>>
>>Open the Bookmarks menu and choose Manage Bookmarks.
>>In your Bookmarks window, click a bookmark.
>>Click Properties.
>>Use the pull down lists and the textfield under Check this location
>>  for updates to specify how often you want SeaMonkey to check the
>>  bookmarked page for changes.
>>To be notified when the bookmarked page changes, choose from the options
>>  in the Notification section."
>>
>> But I can't see any "pull down lists". I that me being a retard, or the
>> feature has been really removed from SM?
> 
> You might try AM-Deadlink:
> 
> http://www.aignes.com/deadlink.htm


Or the Cadillac version, Website Watcher:
http://aignes.com/

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Re: Ugly line wraps in email

2013-03-31 Thread BIll Spikowski

Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2013-03-29 09:51 (GMT-0400) BIll Spikowski composed:
> 
>> Janine Starykowicz wrote:
> 
>>> In the latest version of SeaMonkey, something has changed in text
>>> vs. html mail. I used to be able to paste as plain text, and
>>> everything would wrap neatly in the received email. Now, it seems
>>> the default is paste as text, but when the email is received, it
>>> has line breaks where they were in the original. How do I get back
>>> to a flowing wrap?
> 
>> I hadn't noticed any recent changes; but this is a longstanding issue
>> that I've never fully resolved.
> 
>> Even with plain text, sometimes there are hidden line breaks that
>> destroy the readability of forwarded or "replied to" messages.
> 
>> I don't know where they come from or how to remove them, although I've
>> tried everything under the sun!
> 
> I do plain text in email about 99.9998% of the time. To get rid of "hidden" 
> line breaks I switch from windowed to fullscreen to change the displayed line 
> lengths, then backspace from the hard breaks and delete all but the first 
> "quote" mark. On switching back to windowed after finishing backspacing, 
> sometimes stragglers show up, which I remove the same way. Once that's done, 
> edit->rewrap restores quote marks to appropriate locations according to 
> configured composition line length.


Thank you -- that looks like a good method!


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Re: Ugly line wraps in email

2013-03-29 Thread BIll Spikowski

Janine Starykowicz wrote:
> In the latest version of SeaMonkey, something has changed in text
> vs. html mail. I used to be able to paste as plain text, and
> everything would wrap neatly in the received email. Now, it seems
> the default is paste as text, but when the email is received, it
> has line breaks where they were in the original. How do I get back
> to a flowing wrap?

I hadn't noticed any recent changes; but this is a longstanding issue
that I've never fully resolved.

Even with plain text, sometimes there are hidden line breaks that
destroy the readability of forwarded or "replied to" messages.

I don't know where they come from or how to remove them, although I've
tried everything under the sun!

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Re: pop-ups

2013-03-26 Thread BIll Spikowski

may12.newsgroup wrote:
> Is there a link somewhere that could help me set the pop-up options to 
> eliminate the flood that seems to be taking over my computer. Some of 
> them overlay what I am working on and I have to go away to another link 
> and come back, often to the same problem.


EDIT | PREFERENCES | PRIVACY & SECURITY | POPUP WINDOWS -- check
"block unrequested popup windows"

If you later decide to allow popup windows for a site and then change
your mind, go to:
TOOLS | POPUP MANAGER | PERMISSIONS -- look for any domain where you
want to allow popups, then click "allow"

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Re: Send button lost

2013-03-22 Thread BIll Spikowski

G. Ross wrote:
> Using 2.6.1 in Win7.  To send or forward a message there is no "Send" 
> button.  have to press ctrl-enter or click files/send now.  Has this 
> been corrected in the newer iterations?


Working fine here -- did your mail toolbar get hidden? (in the Compose
window, View | Show/Hide | Mail Toolbar)


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Re: Quote Colors

2013-03-19 Thread BIll Spikowski

MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 18/03/2013 15:23, BIll Spikowski told the world:
>> I just started using "Quote Colors" again; it makes threaded
>> discussions much more comprehensible, instead of this:
>> Once before I tried it but gave up because it only worked on my
>> computer; it didn't add the coloring into the message itself where it
>> would be visible to others.
>>
>> So now I figure it was never designed to work that way; or am I
>> missing something?
>>
> No, you aren't missing anything. QuoteColors basically tweaks the
> preferences for displaying messages you received; it does *not* actually
> modifies the message, nor does it changes the styles for messages you send.
>
> That's why it can affect plaintext messages, for instance -- yet when
> you reply them, they are still plaintext.
>
> Before QuoteColors, way, way back in the old times of Mozilla
> Application Suite 1.0 or thereabouts -- or maybe even before that -- I
> found a reference to prefs.js that explained how to tweak the
> appearance of the message being read. I went to the trouble of doing it
> all by hand, once. QuoteColors made it way simpler.

It sure does!

After reinstalling it, I remember how much I had enjoyed using it.

Now that I realize it can't format outgoing messages, I've stopped
wondering and will just enjoy using it!

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Re: Quote Colors

2013-03-18 Thread BIll Spikowski

Mark Berger wrote:
> Rickles wrote:
>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>> I just started using "Quote Colors" again; it makes threaded
>>> discussions much more comprehensible, instead of this:
>>> Once before I tried it but gave up because it only worked on my
>>> computer; it didn't add the coloring into the message itself where it
>>> would be visible to others.
>>>
>>> So now I figure it was never designed to work that way; or am I
>>> missing something?
>>>
>> If you open your Add-ons mgr window, then click on the Options button
>> for QuoteColors, you'll see the boxes where you can tick to change the
>> text color, or not, as well as the background color, etc.
>>
>> I'm using QC v0.3 on SM 2.16.2 under XP-SP3, and it shows a highlited
>> bar for each indent, a different color for each indent, and the text
>> matches the color of the indent bar.
> Windows XP SP3  SM 2.16.2
> SM disabled my QC v0.3, and it won't reinstall from the website.  Is 
> there a way to get it to work?

I've got the exact same setup; I reinstalled QC v0.3 this morning from
here:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html
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Quote Colors

2013-03-18 Thread BIll Spikowski

I just started using "Quote Colors" again; it makes threaded
discussions much more comprehensible, instead of this:
>
>>
>>>

>

Once before I tried it but gave up because it only worked on my
computer; it didn't add the coloring into the message itself where it
would be visible to others.

So now I figure it was never designed to work that way; or am I
missing something?
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Re: Acrobat plugin out of date?

2013-03-05 Thread BIll Spikowski

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Updated my full Adobe Acrobat program to v. 10.1.6 on February 15, runs 
> fine.
> 
> SM/FF plugins check says my plugin is out of date, offers to downgrade 
> me to Acrobat Reader 11.0.02.
> 
> Is my full program really vulnerable, do I really need to downgrade to 
> the Reader?
> 
> Or can I just update the plugin?


There's a previous thread on this subject, beginning on 12/31/2012,
titled "A new PDF problem..."

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Re: Backing Up & Archiving (offloading) SeaMonkey and Thunderbird

2013-02-27 Thread Bill Davidsen


Lori wrote:

I've never understood how to do this, and as a result of massive duplication
of messages, I lost

two important folders I was working on for accounting, due to overload, I
imagine.

Verizon blamed Mozilla for the duplication, by the way.

My laptop crashed and I urgently need to protect my mail before sending to
HP for repairs.

How about starting with what OS you run, since the header doesn't seem to have 
that info?Unfortunately the best practice differs.


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Re: Per-Window Private Browsing

2013-02-23 Thread Bill Davidsen


Neil wrote:

Neil wrote:


The Per-Window Private Browsing that Firefox is switching too has been turned
on for all applications in nightly builds. We'll need to add some UI for it so
that people will be able to try it out; if we can't get it working in time, we
can always hide it later.

So far I know will need some new menuitems, such as File - New Private Window
(Ctrl+Shift+P?) and Open Link in Private Window. The Open Location dialog will
also need an option to open in a new private window. Anyone got any other
suggestions?


I found bug 460895 which I have morphed to track this effort, and already filed
a few dependent bugs with patches for the truly adventurous. At the moment the
place that needs the most help is the about:privatebrowsing page itself, for
which I have written a placeholder while I get some more UI hooked up. Once
these initial patches get in, nightly users will be able to point out all the
problems with private browsing, of which I expect there to be quite a few.

Is there some about:everything or similar which shows what things can be found 
in about:* space? A few times a year I see someone mention some new feature in 
that space, and it would REALLY be nice if this was documented beyond the "read 
the source" level.


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Re: v2.16 is officially out.

2013-02-23 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.16/


Works fine, but is there any hope the download page could have a link to current 
versions of popular plugins along with the link to the 64-bit Linux version? 
Going in and editing the version in the xpi didn't work, a more recent daily was 
needed to get it working.


And on that topic, what would it take to get 64-bit Linux supported? More people 
are running 64 bit than 32 bit, at least for installs done in the last 18 months 
(my bittorrent server shows that for both Fedora and Mint). About two years ago 
there was a mention that someone had donated server capacity to finally allow 
supporting 64-bit, but it doesn't happen, so "Check for updates" never helps, 
upgrades must all be manual unless your distribution tracks changes and updates.


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Re: pdf and SeaMonkey 2.16

2013-02-19 Thread Bill Davidsen


WaltS wrote:

On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support for the
.pdf file format?


What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems optimal, PDF is a
format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file basis, so
the current action seems appropriate.



He probably has this in mind.

<http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/>


Given that a plugin can be called by default if you always want to view, and if 
this is Mozilla maintained code they seem to be putting their effort into 
features rather than the buglist, I can't say I care much one way or the other. 
Wish FF for Android would play MP3 (URLs ending in .m3u) for all the icecast 
public radio stations, not having to find a plugin or run a separate app would 
be a time saver.


If it's in the core code I bet SM will get it because it's easier than not, 
otherwise who knows, plugins can be called now.


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Re: pdf and SeaMonkey 2.16

2013-02-19 Thread Bill Davidsen


Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support for the
.pdf file format?


What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems optimal, PDF is a 
format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file basis, so 
the current action seems appropriate.


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Re: Serious Overload Problem

2013-02-17 Thread BIll Spikowski

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Robert Gault wrote:
> 
>> I've had a similar issue with recent versions of SeaMonkey but don't
>> know whether SM is causing the problem, my AT&T mailbox on Yahoo, or my
>> dial-up connection.
>>
>> Any time the content of an email is "large" say about 100K, it is not
>> deleted from the Yahoo mailbox. Instead, the large email kills the flow
>> leaving the large email and all others on Yahoo.
>> Since the large email was not POPed, the next attempt at getting email
>> just repeats the large message.
>>
>> The workaround is to manually delete large emails from Yahoo via the
>> browser.
>>
>> I suspect that this is a timing issue caused by the slow dial-up
>> connection.
> 
> Have you looked here?
> 
> Edit | Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings... | Disk Space
> [x] To save disk space, do not download messages larger than nn KB
> 
> I've never enabled this setting, so I don't know how SM handles large 
> messages in this configuration. Does it just silently ignore them, or 
> does it notify the user?


It downloads the header and the initial lines of the message and
provides a button if you want to download the entire message. Very
simple, very effective!


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Re: Java

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

NoOp wrote:

I wonder... I visit <http://myspeed.visualware.com/index.php> where I
need both flash an java. I find that I have to turn on both individually
to get the speed test to work correctly: flash to select the region, and
java to perform the speed test. If I bypass the flash requirement:
<http://myspeed.visualware.com/servers/namerica/iad.php?testtype=-2&codebase=mcssjc.visualware.com&location=USA:>

Then all I need to do is turn on Java to work. And yes, I did test using
Windows:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0
SeaMonkey/2.15.1
Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U13
File: npjp2.dll
Version: 10.13.2.20

That said, I'd still turn on Java *only* if it is absolutely necessary &
then *turn it off* when no longer necessary.

Interesting...

The site you linked reported my speeds in SE Pennsylvania based on their Newark,
NJ server:
6.91 Mbps down
13.3 Mbps up

A moment later, <http://www.speedtest.net/> reported based on their New York
server:
57.46, 58.43 Mbps down (two tests)
32.68, 32.81 Mbps up (two tests)

I wonder who to believe?

I do seem to be able to stream HD video without jaggies or dropped frames, so
I'm leaning toward speedtest.

As a former news server project leader for at&t, I can tell you that your
network tuning and theirs can make a huge difference in observed speed,
particularly on long links. I first started looking at this when I was with GE,
feeding data over a satellite link, although I'm sure all of their sites have
surface connections.

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Re: Edit message as new


W3BNR wrote:

On 2/3/2013 11:37 AM Ray_Net submitted the following:

W3BNR wrote, On 03/02/2013 15:53:

Is there any way to have SM NOT keep the message addresses when using the
'Edit message as new' function?


"Edit" - "Select" - "All"
Then click on "Message" - "New Message"
Paste into body text.
Fill in the Subject
Put one or more mail adress(es)



That's the way I've been doing it when there are a number of addresses is the
original.  One or two I don't mind erasing with the 'edit msg as new'.
But I'd like to be able to 'one click' on the 'edit message as new' and not have
the old address inserted.

I would love to have a one click "delete recipients" or be able to select the 
first, hit alt-ctrl-End to select to the last and then delete. Hate to say it, 
but select-all doesn't do quite the same thing with attach and inlined images, 
at least I don't find a way to always do the right thing.


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Re: v2.15.1 is out now.


NoOp wrote:

On 01/24/2013 05:54 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

NoOp wrote:

...


The file on the addons site is from here:
<http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/2313/?C=M;O=D>
[lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi29-Nov-2012 08:40   1.8M]
$ md5sum lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi
d2792f4ec9be646ba5cef9e1fc5f4e07  lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi

...


I reckon the best place to ask is on the lightning user & dev groups.


Figured it was on their side, just would like to have a working xpi, to use on
machines without external network.

Thanks for looking.



Bill, you can download & use this file for machines without an external
network:

<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/2313/lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi>

That is the file that the addons manager downloads & installs.

Last night's build, I assume? I'll keep that handy, the last one I see on my 
backup was Jan 10.



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Re: v2.15.2 is out!


WaltS wrote:

Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.15/changes



Successfully installed.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0
SeaMonkey/2.15.2


Did your old Lightning 2.0b work, or did you have to install a new nightly?

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Re: Java

2013-02-01 Thread Bill Davidsen


NoOp wrote:

On 01/31/2013 06:39 AM, Matthias Kahlert wrote:

Am 31.01.2013 10:43, schrieb Rob:

...

When a problem can be worked around by using a new profile, it should
always be possible to determine what part of the profile is the cause.


Yes, but that is a very tedious task, so I hoped someone might know the
solution.

After some more testing (the new profile that worked yesterday has again
ceased to do so today) it seems that pluginreg.dat might be the culprit,
which doesn't even sound far-fetched with hindsight...



https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-to-use-java-if-its-been-blocked


Just a comment, The "always allow java" section is really a map to "always allow 
*every plugin*" and ignores the case where the java is trusted but some other 
aspects of the site, such as flash, might not be. That might well not be the 
action of chaice in all cases.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.15

2013-01-25 Thread Bill Davidsen


Rob wrote:

Daniel  wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 15/01/2013 16:45:


Ray_Net wrote:


I think that he spaeak about Mails, not News  there is no Threads
in mail.

Yet there is a View / Threads option in Mail (I never use Usenet news),
and changing the option changes the threads that are displayed . . .

Philip Taylor

Oups ! You are true ... i never imagine that.
Anyway i have "All" for View-Threads option.
But i cannot see threads .. i see mails after mails without relations
between 2 mails.


Ray, have you had any e-mails that should be threaded?? Here in NG, the
messages can easily be with-in threads, but I, for one, rarely get more
then one e-mail on the same thread!!


The threading relies on the References: header that each mail client should
fill with the message-IDs of the earlier messages in the thread.

Many mail clients don't do that, and then the threading does not work.

Actually, I sure hope mail threads on "In-Reply-To" as well, since that's very 
common. Almost all NNTP systems use References properly. When I did a 
mail-to-news gateway I had to rewrite the header. One of my complaints is that 
Seamonkey doesn't handle mail and news with a common interface, the "W" (whtch 
thread) command isn't in the mail, and that hurts when reading mailing lists.


Thus my mail-to-news gateway, just so I could use that feature.

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Re: v2.15.1 is out now.

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Davidsen

NoOp wrote:

On 01/24/2013 11:17 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 01/23/2013 09:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ant wrote:

I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately
holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces
the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla
builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of
places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in
this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even
with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one
won't work.

WFM.

See my thread: "2.15 & Lightning"
01/10/2013

Let me share an interesting this using your original note. I pulled down the
2.15.1 x86_64 Linux tar, and the xpi file, and put them in a shared (NFS)
directory. In a virtual machine running 2.14.1 as default, I installed the
seamonkey and started it. Worked fine.

Then I went to add-in manager and clicked "install from file," and Lightning
would not install.

What version was the xpi and the md5sum? Where did you get it from?

Then I went to the website, through the development channel,
and it did install. Any thoughts appreciated.

My original post from the thread I referenced (Message-ID:
) was:

For those that have upgraded to SeaMonkey 2.15 & use the Lightning
Calendar extension, please note that you'll need to update to Lightning
version 2.0b1. You can download the xpi from here:
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/>
scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "Development
Channel", click the yellow '+ Add to SeaMonkey' button.

As for why you need to use a beta version with SeaMonkey 2.15, this
might be of interest:
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/lightning/reviews/417396/>

The file on the addons site is from here:
<http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/2313/?C=M;O=D>
[lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi29-Nov-2012 08:40 1.8M]
$ md5sum lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi
d2792f4ec9be646ba5cef9e1fc5f4e07 lightning-2.0b1-sm+tb-linux.xpi

If you open the install.rdf file in that xpi package it shows:
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}2.152.15.*{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}Lightning2.0b1
...
Linux_x86-gcc3Linux_x86_64-gcc3

If you open the one from here & look at the install.rdf:
<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/2.0b1-candidates/build1/linux-x86_64/>
$ md5sum lightning.xpi
71a9de08a351ac6aecd7f4b66dfa4111 lightning.xpi
it shows:

{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}2.15a22.15a2{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}Lightning2.0b1
...
/preferences.xulLinux_x86_64-gcc3

So there are obvious differences. Unfortunately there seem to be
different versions all over the map & the file labels are all generic
'lightning.xpi' on the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly
directories. So I'd stick with the
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/ - at leased they are
labeled.

I reckon the best place to ask is on the lightning user & dev groups.

Figured it was on their side, just would like to have a working xpi, to use on
machines without external network.

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Re: v2.15.1 is out now.

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Davidsen


NoOp wrote:

On 01/23/2013 09:29 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ant wrote:



I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately
holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces
the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla
builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of
places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in
this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even
with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one
won't work.



WFM.

See my thread: "2.15 & Lightning"
01/10/2013

Let me share an interesting this using your original note. I pulled down the 
2.15.1 x86_64 Linux tar, and the xpi file, and put them in a shared (NFS) 
directory. In a virtual machine running 2.14.1 as default, I installed the 
seamonkey and started it. Worked fine.


Then I went to add-in manager and clicked "install from file," and Lightning 
would not install. Then I went to the website, through the development channel, 
and it did install. Any thoughts appreciated.



Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0
SeaMonkey/2.15
Lightning 2.0b1 true {e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.15

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ray_Net wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 15/01/2013 16:45:


Ray_Net wrote:


I think that he spaeak about Mails, not News  there is no Threads in mail.

Yet there is a View / Threads option in Mail (I never use Usenet news),
and changing the option changes the threads that are displayed . . .

Philip Taylor

Oups ! You are true ... i never imagine that.
Anyway i have "All" for View-Threads option.
But i cannot see threads .. i see mails after mails without relations between 2
mails.


At the top of the page, in the column headings, click the leftmost one. I have a 
funky theme loaded so I'm not sure what it looks like to you, but click it, just 
as your would click the date header to sort by date or subject to sort by 
subject, etc.


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Re: v2.15.1 is out now.

2013-01-23 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ant wrote:


I wish there was a working version of Lightning for 2.15, I'm not deliberately 
holding back, but I really need calendar. Is it possible that whoever produces 
the Linux-x86_64 version could put a link to the calendar as well? Since Mozilla 
builds that version, it would be helpful to *find* it! I have all sorts of 
places to look, at least three URLs where Lightning for processors released in 
this millenium may be found, but it sometimes works and sometimes not, and even 
with the compatibility checking as off as I can get it, two won't load and one 
won't work.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

2013-01-19 Thread bill

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:
> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
> to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
> SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
> and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, 
> but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us 
> customize much better than IE.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.

Thanks Michael Gordon. 
I am talking about the System Task Bar with the Clock. Either a Windows XP, or 
a SeaMonkey update, changed this behavior. SeaMonkey always use to reopen its 
component windows in the order they were in when we last closed the program, 
but now when opened, it always forces the SeaMonkey Email component to open 
first, and be closest to the Start button. 
We always have SeaMonkey's Browser and Email windows open on the System Task 
Bar. We are an internet store, and frequently are replying to customers emails 
with links to specific products on our html website. Those are the main 
programs we have open, and use constantly, throughout the day. While we may 
also need to open Excel, an HTML editor, an FTP program, etc., it is always 
handiest to have the SeaMonkey Browser window open to the far left on the 
System Task Bar (closest to Start button), and then SeaMonkey Email, and then 
other programs to the right of these, which get opened and closed throughout 
the day. When this order changes, we have to spend more time hunting the 
correct window on the System Task Bar to click, instead of just "knowing" where 
it is.
Its an annoyance more than anything, I just don't know what changed in one of 
the updates, but it effected four computers at the same time, so this is not a 
one computer "preference" setting. I have done a work around by only having 
SeaMonkey open the Browser, and then we click SeaMonkey's Email icon to open 
the Email component to the right. We have multiple SeaMonkey Profiles, so it is 
just one more step every time we open SeaMonkey. I was hoping somebody knew 
what changed, and a simple fix.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

2013-01-13 Thread bill

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:
> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
> to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
> SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
> and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, 
> but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us 
> customize much better than IE.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
> Email on right. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey profiles, so 
> consistency is important.

Bill, if my interpretation of your situation is correct, re-set your
display as you require the browser and e-mail windows and then, on each
screen, click on the icon at the left of the title bar and one of the
options you should see is to close the screen. Do so for each screen
and, hopefully, when you re0open SM, things will be as you require!!

Daniel,
You have the correct interpretation, but your solution din not work.

I did not mean to confuse everybody with "task bar", but isn't that the bar at 
the bottom of the screen that shows which programs you have open? We require 
multiple programs to be open at once, and must change between them frequently. 
That is why consistency in location is important or else we always click on the 
wrong program. 

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SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

2013-01-09 Thread bill

We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but 
the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize 
much better than IE.

Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email 
on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey 
profiles, so consistency is important.
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Re: Address Book(s)

2013-01-04 Thread BIll Spikowski

Jens Hatlak wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> I see that I have two address books, "personal address book" and
>> "collected addresses."
>>
>> What's the purpose of having two address books?
>>
>> Which address book is queried when I begin to type in an addressee for
>> an e-mail?
> 
> Take a look at Preferences, Mail & Newsgroups, Addressing. This should 
> answer some of your questions, esp. in combination with the Help button.


I should have looked there first!

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Re: Address Book(s)

2013-01-04 Thread BIll Spikowski

Michael Gordon wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> I see that I have two address books, "personal address book" and
>> "collected addresses."
>>
>> What's the purpose of having two address books?
>>
>> Which address book is queried when I begin to type in an addressee for
>> an e-mail?
>>
>> Is there any advantage to maintaining them separately, as opposed to
>> combining them (so I wouldn't have to search both when looking for an
>> email address)?
>>
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Both address books can be quered when you begin entering an e-mail 
> address into the "To:" field.
> 
> The Personal address book is your accounts personal address book where 
> you can manually enter data, have SM enter the e-mail address from a 
> received message, or create groups of addresses.
> 
> The Collected address book is unique to SeaMonkey and Thunderbird.  Each 
> time you press the send button to send a message, SM saves the outgoing 
> address in the Collected address book.  This book only contains a 
> listing of outgoing addresses, but you can click on an address in this 
> book and drag it over to your Personal Address Book.  From there you can 
> enter other personal data about the owner of the address.  It saves 
> making typo errors when entering addresses by hand.  Errors like the 
> difference between #1 letters L, l, i, I, O, 0, and other similar 
> combinations.

Thank you -- very helpful!

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Address Book(s)

2013-01-03 Thread BIll Spikowski

I see that I have two address books, "personal address book" and
"collected addresses."

What's the purpose of having two address books?

Which address book is queried when I begin to type in an addressee for
an e-mail?

Is there any advantage to maintaining them separately, as opposed to
combining them (so I wouldn't have to search both when looking for an
email address)?
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Re: A new PDF problem...

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never been able to figure out why some people want to have
>>> both programs installed. If you have the full Acrobat program, what
>>> good is the Reader? You already have a perfectly good reader in
>>> Acrobat. So don't confuse them, and don't confuse the OS, and don't
>>> confuse SM. Delete the Reader and just run Acrobat.
>>
>> Paul, I agree completely -- that's why I'm frustrated when SM blocks
>> the full Acrobat program and insists that I install a new version of
>> the crippled Reader.
> 
> Can't say that's ever happened to me. I've heard of firewalls and such 
> blocking installers, but SM has never done that.

If it ever happens to you, this is what you'll see: You will click on
a PDF link in SM mail or browser, expecting it to open in a new tab
(at least that's how my system is set up); instead you'll be given a
solid grey screen that says "Check for updates... Click here to
activate plugin."

There are other reasons for this screen occasionally appearing
(usually that acrobat.exe is hung up), but this time you'll be asked
to update Acrobat. If you accept, you will find Acrobat Reader 11 to
be installed in place of your full Acrobat plug-in.

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Re: A new PDF problem...

WaltS wrote:
> On 01/02/2013 08:54 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> WaltS wrote:
>>> On 12/31/2012 12:53 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>>>> I'm a longtime Seamonkey user with multiple computers at different
>>>>>> locations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They all run Windows XP and are set up identically, to open PDF links
>>>>>> in a new tab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the past week or two, each computer frequently has the same
>>>>>> problem. Instead of PDF links opening, I get a blank grey screen that
>>>>>> says "Check for updates... Click here to activate plugin." This used
>>>>>> to happen occasionally and could be corrected by closing Acrobat.exe
>>>>>> in Task Manager and reloading the PDF link, but now it happens very
>>>>>> frequently on every computer -- and my old fix never works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? It just kills me to have to
>>>>>> keep switching to clunky IE to open PDF links!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Check in Tools - Add-ons Manager to see if there is a Adobe PDF plugin
>>>>> and deactivate it.  Also, go into Adobe Reader and turn off updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> And unless you have some love for Adobe Reader, uninstall and get the
>>>>> free Foxit PDF reader:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have no love for Adobe Reader, but I use the full Adobe Acrobat
>>>> version 9.5, which is listed as a plug-in in the Add-ons Manager. If I
>>>> disable that, do you know what will happen? Is that decision easily
>>>> reversible?
>>>>
>>>> I hesitate to turn off Adobe updates, given the dire security warnings
>>>> they keep providing!
>>>>
>>>> I'm normally happy just to experiment, but when it comes to the
>>>> interaction of Adobe Acrobat and Seamonkey, it's a complete mystery to
>>>> me, and I've learned to hesitate tinkering with a PDF setup that
>>>> finally works for me...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would think this also applies to SeaMonkey.
>>>
>>> Adobe Reader 9.5.1 and below was blocked in October 2012.
>>>
>>> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/blocked/p156>
>>
>>
>> I don't know why anyone would continue to use READER 9.5.1, when a
>> free upgrade to 11 is easily available, as are numerous competing
>> products that many people prefer.
>>
>> But I'm using the full Adobe Acrobat 9.5.1, not Reader 9.5.1. I think
>> SM is confusing the two. Acrobat 9.5.1 is updated constantly; it's not
>> the latest version, but it's hardly obsolete, or unpatched as to security.
>>
>> I think you've identified the source of my problem -- that SM thinks
>> I'm using READER 9.5.1 and is blocking it "for my own good."
>>
>> Understanding that should help me find some solution
>>
>>
> 
> The full Adobe Acrobat 9.5.1 doesn't come with a reader plugin,
> and you have none showing in SeaMonkey under Tools > Add-ons Manager > 
> Plugins?


Adobe explains nothing about whether Acrobat contains plug-ins. But
I've been using Acrobat and SM/Mozilla/Netscape for fifteen years and
have never had to do anything to make it work, except when SM decides
that my long-working installation should be disabled (maybe once every
couple of years).

Right now my Add-ons Manager reports "Adobe Acrobat 9.5.2.295" as
"Adobe PDF Plug-In for Firefox and Netscape "9.5.2""   (A few days
ago, it says 9.5.1.)

Today it has stopped disabling Acrobat and everything is working fine,
so I can't do any more troubleshooting. When I click "check to see if
your plugins are up to date," however, the Firefox plug-in checker
reports 9.5.2 as outdated, even though it's only days old. But now I
know better than to click "update"...

For now, all is well!

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Re: A new PDF problem...

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
> 
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>
>>> I found out years ago that if you install the writer, you need to
>>> reinstall the reader.  Yes, they will work okay without doing that;
>>> but SeaMonkey will then view PDF files in the writer instead of the
>>> reader.
>>>
>>> Also, you should turn off updates.  On the reader's menu bar,
>>> select [Edit > Preferences > Updater], select the last radio
>>> button, and then the okay button.  Periodically, manually check
>>> <http://get.adobe.com/reader/> to see if there is a new version.
>>>
>>> The current version of the reader is 11.0.
>>
>> My Acrobat 9.5 is the full version of Acrobat -- which includes all
>> the reader functions, but also all the writer functions, plus the
>> PDF editing functions.
>>
>> SM (and Firefox) often seems to confuse these two programs. For
>> instance, on my office computer, the Add-ons Manager correctly
>> reports Adobe Acrobat 9.5.1 as my plug-in, but its update link would
>> replace it with Adobe Reader 11, which for me would be a huge
>> downgrade in functionality.
> 
> I've never been able to figure out why some people want to have both 
> programs installed. If you have the full Acrobat program, what good is 
> the Reader? You already have a perfectly good reader in Acrobat. So 
> don't confuse them, and don't confuse the OS, and don't confuse SM. 
> Delete the Reader and just run Acrobat.


Paul, I agree completely -- that's why I'm frustrated when SM blocks
the full Acrobat program and insists that I install a new version of
the crippled Reader.

Without wanting to, I've experienced having both installed at the same
time, and it was very difficult to untangle.

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Re: A new PDF problem...

Paul wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> I'm a longtime Seamonkey user with multiple computers at different
>> locations.
>>
>> They all run Windows XP and are set up identically, to open PDF links
>> in a new tab.
>>
>> For the past week or two, each computer frequently has the same
>> problem. Instead of PDF links opening, I get a blank grey screen that
>> says "Check for updates... Click here to activate plugin." This used
>> to happen occasionally and could be corrected by closing Acrobat.exe
>> in Task Manager and reloading the PDF link, but now it happens very
>> frequently on every computer -- and my old fix never works.
>>
>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? It just kills me to have to
>> keep switching to clunky IE to open PDF links!
> 
> On one test machine, why not turn off adobe bloatware
> and install Foxit?  10 megs vs. 110 megs.
> The old Foxit 2.2 works well for me. I don't get viruses.


I often use Foxit, but not with SM where it insists on replacing
Acrobat. Foxit's a nice product, but it's only my first choice for
certain functions where I've found it superior.


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Re: A new PDF problem...

WaltS wrote:
> On 12/31/2012 12:53 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>> I'm a longtime Seamonkey user with multiple computers at different
>>>> locations.
>>>>
>>>> They all run Windows XP and are set up identically, to open PDF links
>>>> in a new tab.
>>>>
>>>> For the past week or two, each computer frequently has the same
>>>> problem. Instead of PDF links opening, I get a blank grey screen that
>>>> says "Check for updates... Click here to activate plugin." This used
>>>> to happen occasionally and could be corrected by closing Acrobat.exe
>>>> in Task Manager and reloading the PDF link, but now it happens very
>>>> frequently on every computer -- and my old fix never works.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? It just kills me to have to
>>>> keep switching to clunky IE to open PDF links!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Check in Tools - Add-ons Manager to see if there is a Adobe PDF plugin
>>> and deactivate it.  Also, go into Adobe Reader and turn off updates.
>>>
>>> And unless you have some love for Adobe Reader, uninstall and get the
>>> free Foxit PDF reader:
>>
>>
>> I have no love for Adobe Reader, but I use the full Adobe Acrobat
>> version 9.5, which is listed as a plug-in in the Add-ons Manager. If I
>> disable that, do you know what will happen? Is that decision easily
>> reversible?
>>
>> I hesitate to turn off Adobe updates, given the dire security warnings
>> they keep providing!
>>
>> I'm normally happy just to experiment, but when it comes to the
>> interaction of Adobe Acrobat and Seamonkey, it's a complete mystery to
>> me, and I've learned to hesitate tinkering with a PDF setup that
>> finally works for me...
>>
> 
> I would think this also applies to SeaMonkey.
> 
> Adobe Reader 9.5.1 and below was blocked in October 2012.
> 
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/blocked/p156>


I don't know why anyone would continue to use READER 9.5.1, when a
free upgrade to 11 is easily available, as are numerous competing
products that many people prefer.

But I'm using the full Adobe Acrobat 9.5.1, not Reader 9.5.1. I think
SM is confusing the two. Acrobat 9.5.1 is updated constantly; it's not
the latest version, but it's hardly obsolete, or unpatched as to security.

I think you've identified the source of my problem -- that SM thinks
I'm using READER 9.5.1 and is blocking it "for my own good."

Understanding that should help me find some solution


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Re: A new PDF problem...

David E. Ross wrote:
> On 12/31/12 9:53 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>>> I'm a longtime Seamonkey user with multiple computers at different
>>>> locations.
>>>>
>>>> They all run Windows XP and are set up identically, to open PDF links
>>>> in a new tab.
>>>>
>>>> For the past week or two, each computer frequently has the same
>>>> problem. Instead of PDF links opening, I get a blank grey screen that
>>>> says "Check for updates... Click here to activate plugin." This used
>>>> to happen occasionally and could be corrected by closing Acrobat.exe
>>>> in Task Manager and reloading the PDF link, but now it happens very
>>>> frequently on every computer -- and my old fix never works.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? It just kills me to have to
>>>> keep switching to clunky IE to open PDF links!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Check in Tools - Add-ons Manager to see if there is a Adobe PDF plugin 
>>> and deactivate it.  Also, go into Adobe Reader and turn off updates.
>>>
>>> And unless you have some love for Adobe Reader, uninstall and get the 
>>> free Foxit PDF reader:
>>
>>
>> I have no love for Adobe Reader, but I use the full Adobe Acrobat
>> version 9.5, which is listed as a plug-in in the Add-ons Manager. If I
>> disable that, do you know what will happen? Is that decision easily
>> reversible?
>>
>> I hesitate to turn off Adobe updates, given the dire security warnings
>> they keep providing!
>>
>> I'm normally happy just to experiment, but when it comes to the
>> interaction of Adobe Acrobat and Seamonkey, it's a complete mystery to
>> me, and I've learned to hesitate tinkering with a PDF setup that
>> finally works for me...
>>
> 
> Your Adobe Acrobat 9.5 -- is that the reader or the writer?
> 
> I found out years ago that if you install the writer, you need to
> reinstall the reader.  Yes, they will work okay without doing that; but
> SeaMonkey will then view PDF files in the writer instead of the reader.
> 
> Also, you should turn off updates.  On the reader's menu bar, select
> [Edit > Preferences > Updater], select the last radio button, and then
> the okay button.  Periodically, manually check
> <http://get.adobe.com/reader/> to see if there is a new version.
> 
> The current version of the reader is 11.0.


My Acrobat 9.5 is the full version of Acrobat -- which includes all
the reader functions, but also all the writer functions, plus the PDF
editing functions.

SM (and Firefox) often seems to confuse these two programs. For
instance, on my office computer, the Add-ons Manager correctly reports
Adobe Acrobat 9.5.1 as my plug-in, but its update link would replace
it with Adobe Reader 11, which for me would be a huge downgrade in
functionality.





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Re: A new PDF problem...

2012-12-31 Thread BIll Spikowski

Ed Mullen wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> I'm a longtime Seamonkey user with multiple computers at different
>> locations.
>>
>> They all run Windows XP and are set up identically, to open PDF links
>> in a new tab.
>>
>> For the past week or two, each computer frequently has the same
>> problem. Instead of PDF links opening, I get a blank grey screen that
>> says "Check for updates... Click here to activate plugin." This used
>> to happen occasionally and could be corrected by closing Acrobat.exe
>> in Task Manager and reloading the PDF link, but now it happens very
>> frequently on every computer -- and my old fix never works.
>>
>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? It just kills me to have to
>> keep switching to clunky IE to open PDF links!
>>
> 
> Check in Tools - Add-ons Manager to see if there is a Adobe PDF plugin 
> and deactivate it.  Also, go into Adobe Reader and turn off updates.
> 
> And unless you have some love for Adobe Reader, uninstall and get the 
> free Foxit PDF reader:

I have no love for Adobe Reader, but I use the full Adobe Acrobat
version 9.5, which is listed as a plug-in in the Add-ons Manager. If I
disable that, do you know what will happen? Is that decision easily
reversible?

I hesitate to turn off Adobe updates, given the dire security warnings
they keep providing!

I'm normally happy just to experiment, but when it comes to the
interaction of Adobe Acrobat and Seamonkey, it's a complete mystery to
me, and I've learned to hesitate tinkering with a PDF setup that
finally works for me...

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A new PDF problem...

2012-12-31 Thread BIll Spikowski

I'm a longtime Seamonkey user with multiple computers at different
locations.

They all run Windows XP and are set up identically, to open PDF links
in a new tab.

For the past week or two, each computer frequently has the same
problem. Instead of PDF links opening, I get a blank grey screen that
says "Check for updates... Click here to activate plugin." This used
to happen occasionally and could be corrected by closing Acrobat.exe
in Task Manager and reloading the PDF link, but now it happens very
frequently on every computer -- and my old fix never works.

Has anyone else encountered this problem? It just kills me to have to
keep switching to clunky IE to open PDF links!

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Re: Mailing list

2012-12-13 Thread Bill Davidsen


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Tihomir wrote:


If I receive an interesting email from someone and want to forward it to
a group of people, I use the mailing list feature that is included in
Seamonkey.
But if the original sender is someone who is already in the mailing list
I want to forward to, I would then also like to remove that address from
the list of recipients.
Forte Agent (IIRC) handles this nicely, choosing a mailing list entry
fills the actual email addresses, separated with commas, into the to:
field, so it is easy to remove individual entries.

Is there a way?


Here's a workaround:

1) Create the message as described, but choose "Send Later."

2) Find the message in the "Unsent Messages" folder, Edit as New (CTRL-E). You
will notice that the mailing list name has been interpreted as a list of
individual addresses.


Don't know about your config, mine goes in OUTBOX.


3) Delete the addressees you want to exclude.

4) Send the edited version normally.

5) Delete the unsent copy.

After I send unsent messages they are removed when sent. Again, your config is 
different.


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Re: Clear cache ??

2012-12-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


WaltS wrote:

On 12/05/2012 03:15 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:


WaltS wrote:

How do you bypass the domain-masking frame?


Right-click / This frame / Shew only this frame.


Or, as I did because I was looking at the source, see that it's in a
frame
and go direct to the real URL from there.   :-)



I looked at the source, but missed the real URL.

So I have to read source code now, to know if I am on the real URL?
Why wasn't I redirected automagically?

Think about that a minute... Refresh happens when the current page 
changes, or you do a forced manual reload. Since the page you were 
viewing didn't change, there was no way to know that the link target 
changed.


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2.14.1 64 bit Linux fails with Lightning

2012-12-12 Thread Bill Davidsen

I know, not supported, not official, has been working. Will fall back 
until it works again. Events list comes up, but attempts to add items fail.


http://webster.tmr.com/~davidsen/Lightning-ng.png

Permissions and ownership checked, and I know it's not supported, just 
reporting.


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Re: Adding an Address to the Address Book

2012-11-29 Thread BIll Spikowski

Ken wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> Mister Moose wrote:
>>> What has happened to the "Add Sender to Address Book" option in
>>> SeaMonkey?  It has simply disappeared from the menu options when I
>>> right-click on an email header.  Why was it removed?  I used this
>>> feature often!
>>
>>
>>
>> I've noticed lately that this option often doesn't appear; but when
>> right-clicking on OTHER emails, it does still appear.
>>
>> I haven't managed to figure out this behavior!
>>
>>
> Could it be that it only appears for addresses that are NOT already in 
> the address book?


That's my best guess so far! Although, if so, wouldn't it better to
open the existing address book card for that e-mail address, so that
it could be verified, or edited?


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Re: Adding an Address to the Address Book

2012-11-29 Thread BIll Spikowski

Mister Moose wrote:
> What has happened to the "Add Sender to Address Book" option in
> SeaMonkey?  It has simply disappeared from the menu options when I
> right-click on an email header.  Why was it removed?  I used this
> feature often!

I've noticed lately that this option often doesn't appear; but when
right-clicking on OTHER emails, it does still appear.

I haven't managed to figure out this behavior!

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Re: SeaMonkey-Compatible Password Exporter [was: Password saver has stopped working again]

2012-11-25 Thread Bill Davidsen


Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Today, I discovered a SeaMonkey-compatible Password Exporter.  It can be
downloaded from the Rosenthal & Rosenthal FTP site at
<ftp://ftp.2rosenthals.com/pub/Mozilla/Extensions/modified-for-SM-2.x/>,
which can be opened via SeaMonkey.  Password Exporter is in the bottom
half of the page.




Also available at the Mozilla Add-Ons site:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/password-exporter/?src=ss


It says it won't work in 2.14

That's fixable, more importantly it doesn't seem to download, it just says 
"Can't install." I have an older version of this which has been hacked to 
install, but I would like to see what the difference between the old and new 
version is. It's probably on the Mozilla site somewhere to find with ftp, but 
life is short and the site is large.


I thought the compatibility extension was supposed to allow you to install 
anyway, but I guess that isn't working in this case.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14 released

2012-11-25 Thread Bill Davidsen


Jens Hatlak wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.14: The new major release
of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download [1] now! Building on
the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox release, it delivers the latest
developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware acceleration and
improved JavaScript speed.

For some reason saving of passwords in the password manager doesn't seem to be 
working, a real PITA when I'm doing a lot of holiday shopping. Saved passwords 
are still there and functional, but new sites passwords don't save, for whatever 
reason.


Other than that nothing noted, don't use the new features (or they make no 
visible difference), and only the saving seems an issue. Still investigating, 
for now I'm glad I have the file with passwords as a backup. Good that minor 
stability issues are being chased, though.



SeaMonkey 2.14 is available in 26 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:
* OS X 10.6 is now the minimum supported Mac version
* JavaScript Maps and Sets are now iterable
* SVG FillPaint and StrokePaint have been implemented
* The sandbox attribute has been implemented for iframes, enabling
   increased security
* Fixed several stability issues

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.14, see the What's New in
SeaMonkey 2.14 section of the Release Notes [2], which also contain a list of
known issues and answers to frequently asked questions. For a more general
overview of the SeaMonkey project (and screen shots!), visit
www.seamonkey-project.org.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.14
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.14/

Greetings,

Jens




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Re: winmail.dat

2012-11-25 Thread BIll Spikowski

David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/25/12 7:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
>> BIll Spikowski wrote, On 25/11/2012 13:59:
>>> Smiles wrote:
>>>
>>>> how do I open a winmail.dat file sent to me with SeaMonkey
>>>
>>> I use "WinMail Opener":
>>> http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/
>>>
>> If Winmail Opener can do it . SM will be smart enough to do it also ?
>> Ok i have the answer .. SM developpers hates microsoft stuff, so will 
>> never never try to manage winmail.dat :-)
>>
> 
> Why should SeaMonkey (or Mozilla in general) implement something that is
> proprietary to Microsoft, something that no other non-Microsoft software
> supports?


So that Seamonkey users can interact with their colleagues, who often
work in businesses that yoke them to Microsoft, whatever their
personal preferences?

You could hardly find a more devoted and loyal Seamonkey user than me;
but I don't recommend Seamonkey to non-techie friends because of just
this sort of shortcoming.

I keep hoping that someone with the appropriate technical skills will
write an extension that interprets winmail.dat files and Outlook
appointments

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Re: winmail.dat

2012-11-25 Thread BIll Spikowski

Smiles wrote:

> how do I open a winmail.dat file sent to me with SeaMonkey


I use "WinMail Opener":
http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/

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Making "Page Setup" choices "non-sticky"

2012-11-20 Thread BIll Spikowski

When I print a document that needs a different scale than my preferred
default (Shrink to fit Page Width), the scale I select remains in
place until I manually change it back. Is there some way to avoid this
behavior, making the scale selection non-sticky?
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Re: Suppress newly introduced e-mail pop-up

2012-11-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


Philip Chee wrote:

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:05:21 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Still getting an obscuring pop-up, Jens; not as intrusive
as the earlier one (one entry instead of many) but still
annoying and interferes with functionality of e-mail client.


Hmm, so the pref I told you only controls the extra preview text. AFAICS
there is no pref for disabling the popup altogether. Maybe it can be
hidden using CSS, but I wouldn't bet on it. Probably would need a code
change then.

Greetings,

Jens


The minimal popup (without the preview text) only shows if the folder
pane isn't wide enough to show the full name of the folder currently
hovered over. So to disable that you need to drag the splitter to the
right until the popup stops appearing.

In many cases that's WAY wider than needed. My solution, after killing preview 
and just getting the full name, is "don't hover the pointer over the name in the 
folder selector!"



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Re: Still not informed of updates

2012-11-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


Craig wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Craig, I see you are using Linux x86_64. The SeaMonkey Council does not
produce a Linux 64bit releaseyet.

They do, eventually, provide a "contributed" version, but this could
take a couple of days extra. I believe, in the future, they will provide
an "approved" versioneventually!

Keep checking.


I am, however, using a 32-bit version of 2.12.1. Should that not check for a
newer 32-bit version?

That depends on if it is one you downloaded and installed from Mozilla or if 
it's a package with your distribution. Fedora usually gets the package in 
testing quickly, then in production about ten days later. Your distribution 
almost certainly has a policy, which might not be the same.


Re Linux x86_64:
1 - there wad no 64 bit release
2 - I asked and was told it was due to lack of server power to build it
3 - after i (and others) offered server hours or contributions, we were told
that new server power was coming.
4 - I asked how they could have server power to build for beta and not for
release
5 - the x86_64 is now not in the beta builds or release

Draw what conclusions you will, I don't really want to keep an entire 32 bit 
environment for one program, so I use the 64 bit version.


Don't know what the Windows version does, the Linux versions all hemorage 
memory, this one is virt 1.2GB, resident 188MB, after 28 hours up.


Hope some part of this broad response hits your problem.


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Re: When will Mozilla be releasing its SeaMonkey 2.13.2?

2012-10-30 Thread Bill Davidsen


Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Desiree wrote:

"WaltS"  wrote in message
news:ofmdnsxm8p1ohxdnnz2dnuvz_uidn...@mozilla.org...

On 10/28/2012 02:30 PM, Ant wrote:

On 10/28/2012 10:44 AM PT, WaltS typed:
...

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ shows it out. I will wait for its
internal updater. :)


I downloaded the 32-bit version, and installed it.

Checking for updates using the 64-bit version didn't seem to find an
update, and it may not since it is a contributed build.


Ah. I am using 32-bit from Mozilla's server and still no updates just a
few minutes ago. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805714
says it is waiting for Symantec/Norton's whitelist before releasing the
internal update. Let's hope this works correctly. ;)

How's that 64-bit one? Can you tell any differences from the 32-bit one?



It looks prettier.

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I must have missed something along the way regarding this. I read the bug
and I still don't understand what Norton's whitelist has to do with
releasing the SM update.

It's Tuesday and still no update available through internal updater.




Its out now.

The short answer re: Nortons whitelist, is that there are a good number of users
of SeaMonkey using Norton as a Virus Scan.

Norton has "heuristic" scans, which are falsely identifying some files SeaMonkey
needs to function properly as "including behavior that is known/common in
malware" (or some such), which makes Norton (by default, with little way to
prevent in future installs) delete the files from the OS.

Even restoring them from Norton yields future problems with partial-updates
(since norton, seems to slightly modify the checksum of the dll's when restored)

SeaMonkey will still startup when this happens for most users, but many
essential functions are broken.

It is why I still made SeaMonkey available via the website, since users who
manually download/install can recognize the issue relatively easily; however
users who get an update automatically, and then on restart get it applied, only
to find out Norton hurt their install will have had issues, without easily
understanding what the issue was.

None of the Sec Issues fixed in SM 2.13.2 were exploited in the wild (that we
know of yet), so I felt safe in the wait for Norton here.


Thank you for the explanation, I know a few people I suspect of using Windows.

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Re: When will Mozilla be releasing its SeaMonkey 2.13.2?

2012-10-30 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ant wrote:

On 10/28/2012 10:44 AM PT, WaltS typed:
...

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ shows it out. I will wait for its
internal updater. :)


I downloaded the 32-bit version, and installed it.

Checking for updates using the 64-bit version didn't seem to find an
update, and it may not since it is a contributed build.


Ah. I am using 32-bit from Mozilla's server and still no updates just a few
minutes ago. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805714 says it is
waiting for Symantec/Norton's whitelist before releasing the internal update.
Let's hope this works correctly. ;)

How's that 64-bit one? Can you tell any differences from the 32-bit one?


It doesn't seem to leak memory as fast. I try to avoid having all the 32 bit 
libraries on 64 bit machines, so I use the contributed one. I did build my own 
at one point, but it was more "just to prove I can" than by need. I haven't 
built a Linux kernel in almost two years either, although 15 months of that was 
coping with with family issues.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.2 available for download

2012-10-30 Thread Bill Davidsen


Paul Bergsagel wrote:

This is not an official announcement but SeaMonkey is now available for download
on the Seamonkey Project page http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

At the moment the update is not on the "Check for update" tab in the
browser--not sure when the update will appear.

Thanks to our coders for this timely update.


I'm torn between amazement and gratitude at the fast fix and prompt (if 
unofficial) update, and unease that there have been 12.1, 13.1, and now 13.2 
releases. I fear the faster and faster release cycle has caused the QA to shrink 
faster than the time between releases. If I wanted to run dailies...


I'm delighted that SM is being so diligent about fixes, I wish they weren't 
shooting at a moving target upstream, or at least such a *fast* moving target.


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Password saver has stopped working again

2012-10-26 Thread Bill Davidsen

Once again a new version has stopped supporting an extension to save all 
passwords in human readable format. I'm not looking for a discussion of why this 
is a good or bad thing, since it is a required thing for this client.


Reasons to do it:
- it's *their* hardware
- it's *their* passwords
- they pay me *their* money to do things *their* way
- the choice is to provide the list, on paper, within 24 hours of
  any change, or stop working for them
- they're not asking for anything of mine, just theirs the way
  they want it.

So is there an extension which allows dumping the full content of the password 
database into a text file or are we back to doing it by hand or using another 
software?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.1 Released

2012-10-24 Thread Bill Davidsen


David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/14/12 3:09 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

David E. Ross schrieb:

I go to the FTP server so that I can also download the related SHA1
checksum.


FYI, if you use the SeaMonkey-internal update mechanism, you get both
the advantages of using as-local-as-possible mirrors *and* verification
with a checksum that is not just SHA-1 but SHA-512 - and the checksum
and other info about the update is coming via an encrypted connection
(SSL) that is only allowed to be signed by certain CAs, so that the
delivery mechanism is *really* secure.

Robert Kaiser



Having to maintain two PCs, I prefer to download the update and then
install from my hard drive.  For incremental updates via .mar files, I
developed a .bat file script to do this.

What I really want is to download once and install twice.  The internal
update capability would download twice to install twice.

I recently obtained an application to compute and verify SHA512
checksums.  While Thunderbird updates on the FTP servers have SHA512
checksums as well as MD5 and SHA1, SeaMonkey updates on the FTP servers
have only MD5 and SHA1.

A short word about CRC methods: sources of error are transmission error and 
deliberate tampering. the reason people moved away from MD5 was that it is in 
some cases actually possible to modify a binary and fudge it to match an MD5sum. 
The sha1 is more resistant to deliberate tampering, but since you are getting 
the binary and CRC values from the same machine, if someone could hack the 
binary they could hack the CRC as well, giving no protection against tampering.


The sha512 is better than sha1 and sha256, but there is a paper out showing that 
sha224 is actually more resistant to tampering but less for random errors. I 
leave it to you to find and read that topic if you care, the short answer is 
that the MD5 is fine as a check for random damage in most cases, and getting the 
CRC (of any kind) from the same site as the binary is a risk. If you want 
secure, pull the sha512 via ftp from the master server, then download and check 
the actual binary from somewhere fast.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.1 Released

2012-10-24 Thread Bill Davidsen


Robert Kaiser wrote:

David E. Ross schrieb:

I go to the FTP server so that I can also download the related SHA1
checksum.


FYI, if you use the SeaMonkey-internal update mechanism, you get both the
advantages of using as-local-as-possible mirrors *and* verification with a
checksum that is not just SHA-1 but SHA-512 - and the checksum and other info
about the update is coming via an encrypted connection (SSL) that is only
allowed to be signed by certain CAs, so that the delivery mechanism is *really*
secure.

Good to know, and if you guys ever support 64bit Linux for real instead of as a 
contributed build, that would be the way to go.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.13.1 Released

2012-10-24 Thread Bill Davidsen


Desiree wrote:

"Sandy"  wrote in message
news:y8ednfyynp_lyutnnz2dnuvz_rodn...@mozilla.org...



Why does the partial update fail? This is the third time in a row that I
have had to endure the very slow servers and download the full update.
Why
is this?

I'm not going to further update SM if I have to do these big, slow full
updates.



Updated very quickly and easily here using Windows 7 and about 7Meg
download speed.  I also live on a small island off the West coast of
Scotland so I am a wee bit remote.



I'm in the middle of the Pacific ocean and have 15/1 plan but Mozilla has
extremely slow serversalways has. I get about 240KB/sec on download.


I have no idea how you diddle your network settings on Windows, or if they 
extend the "We know best" to that, but setting your window size larger often 
helps for connections with slow ping times. That allows more packets to be "in 
flight" out of the server but unacknowledged by your system. Bigger is better in 
this case, defaults were probably set for 640k Windows 95 and never tuned for 
current memory sizes.



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Re: Junk mail

2012-10-10 Thread BIll Spikowski

Jim Williams wrote:
> Hello,
> Can someone tell my why he heck emails I send to myself, such as a
> website I send to myself, a lot of times are flagged as 'junk' and to
> straight to my junk folder?
> I've the checked the preferences Collected, OE, and Personal addresses
> not to go to junk.


I've had this same problem for quite some time now -- quite puzzling!

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Re: [Linux] Browser refuses to use my script as helper app

2012-09-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 7 septembre 2012, NoOp a écrit :


You need to change the permissions. This works for me (although the
window size is not ideal (for my monitor):

$ ls -al evince-patched
-rwxrwxr-- 1 214 Sep  7 18:06 evince-patched


Thanks, but that doesn't work for me (plus I wouldn't want to set +w for the
group). Then I also tried 700, 754, 770, 777, 775, 744, to no avail.

Take a look at permissions on the directories in the path, you need world 
execute to pass through (not read). I agree about making things group writable, 
although if your Linux makes a per-user group it probably doesn't present much 
of an issue.


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Re: SeaMonkey is overly parranoid and has inadequate error message

2012-09-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


Richard Owlett wrote:

My ISP (small local firm) provides spam and virus filters on all email accounts.
They use software from www.barracudanetworks.com .

I have two problems with SeaMonkey's response to messages from my ISP that there
are emails in my quarantine folder.

1. SeaMonkey flags all these messages as a possible scam. The messages are in
HTML and have a link to click through to my quarantined message and to page to
modify my preferences.
2. When I click on any of the links I receive a warning message that the URL is
numeric.

How can I "white list" these messages and that specific URL?
Each incoming notification does have a button for "Not a scam". But that only
deletes the warning for that specific notification, not the next one from my ISP 
:<

I will give you some hints, but because (a) you use Windows, and (b) you 
undoubtedly don't run your own mail server, I can't give you step by step 
instructions. This info from my notes.


The "scam" stuff is set in a header line in the message seemingly added by SM. 
It's one of the X-Mozilla-Status lines. If the message looks like a scam a bit 
will be set for the message, clear the bit to make the warning go away. In my 
case I simply added the flag lines in my custom perl mail filter which works 
with spamassassin to preprocess mail. How you do it is up to you, if you're a 
programmer and want to play with the mail file wherever SM puts them in Windows, 
go to it and share your results.


I suspect this will help with understanding more than solution, but there it is.

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Re: Keeping the last XX days for news/usenet servers in SM v2.0.12?

2012-09-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ant wrote:

Hi!

I noticed that SeaMonkey (SM) v2.0.12 purges old newsgroup threads/posts before
I go read the specific newsgroup. Is there a way to have it do AFTER I read the
newsgroup like in v2.0.14 and earlier?

Basically I was downloading tons of headers in an unread newgroup with last
eight/8 days to keep. I went to read this group, and it was empty because SM
purged the newsgroup threads because they were older than 8/eight days. :(

One more thing to check, someone mentioned marking old messages as read, you 
don't by any chance have view->threads set to "threads with unread" do you? If 
so you will not see the threads marked read even though they are still there.


Grasping at straws, but I often wish for more options in this area, much like 
message filters. In particular I want:

1 - show threads if I have posted to them
2 - show threads if any post tagged XX
(I tag questions I will answer if someone else doesn't)

After that I'm out of ideas.

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Re: ALT-A

2012-09-11 Thread Bill Davidsen


rjkrjk wrote:

win xp sp3, sm 2.12

attempting to copy information originating from SM COMPOSER /
(HTML) Source by ALT-A

I think it stopped working as of this new (2.12) update

need some help here


You must be focused in the window before you use cntl-A. That's the most common 
reason why it grabs what's in another window, if any.


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Re: Google Maps GL

2012-09-07 Thread BIll Spikowski

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
> hawker wrote:
>> I see Google has a new map sytem called MapsGL.
>>
>> When I try to use it in Seamonky 2.11 it says my browser is not
>> supported.  Under supported browsers it lists Firefox going back a ways
>> (version 8) so Seamonkey should work as well.
>>
>> I understand Seamonkey now advertises itself as Firefox, so can anyone
>> tell me why this is not working and what to do to make it work?
> 
> MapsGL works for me ("Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0)
> Gecko/20120826 Firefox/15.0 SeaMonkey/2.12", XP Pro SP3)  -JW


Works for me with Seamonkey 2.12 and Windows XP SP3


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Re: GNOME shell service

2012-09-04 Thread Bill Davidsen


WaltS wrote:

On 09/02/2012 02:42 PM, Neil wrote:

Today I checked in the remaining parts of the GNOME shell service. When
those of you running Linux update tomorrow you may find that it prompts
you to set it as your default browser and mail client. (It can also be
set as your default news and RSS client.)



Just installed Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/18.0
Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15a1 Build ID: 20120202003005 to test this, and
when I select Help > Check for Updates..., I get No Updates Found.

Gnome 3.4.2

I commented on the somewhat random results of update in another post. 
Unfortunately the only reliable way I have found which "always works" is to 
download and install a complete nightly. YMMV, but I have had various issues 
with upgrade.


I doubt this helps, but hopefully it adds information.

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Is there any hope for a supported 64bit Linux version?

2012-09-04 Thread Bill Davidsen

We last went down this road a few years ago and Robert said that {someone} was 
contributing a few servers to up capacity for builds to allow Linux_x86_64 to be 
supported. Didn't happen.


For all the people who have missed the subject or don't know the difference 
between "supported" and "contributed," please don't clutter the list with 
off-topic responses.


With a supported build you can check for updates, you can update in place, and 
even opt to do automatic updates if you are a trusting person. If you try that 
from 64bit Linux, the update loaded is the 32 bit one. But you say, "it works 
for me," and except for a GB or so of 32 bit libraries and cruft you are 
correct. But it would be *so* nice to just upgrade instead of doing a full 
reinstall from scratch (and depending on the goodness of a contributor for that).


So one last time, any hope?

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Re: Need some advice

2012-08-23 Thread BIll Spikowski

hawker wrote:
> On 8/23/2012 2:48 PM, Ken wrote:
>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>> On 12-08-23 10:02 AM, Ken wrote:
  I have a 93 year old stepmother living 1000 miles from where I
 live. She actually does amazingly well on the computer and
 Internet, but
 occasionally has problems.  Sometimes it is inadvertently clicking on
 something, and that changing the way her browser or mail works. 
 She is
 using the latest version of SeaMonkey, as am I.  When she
 encounters a
 problem, I get her on the phone and while both of us are on the
 computer
 try to picture what she is encountering, and see if I can correct her
 problem.  Listed below is her latest problem and her description
 of it:
 __
  "I have a question.  When I am reading my new emails, the note
 appears, "Compact Now?"  I just discovered if I say yes it deletes
 all
 the messages that I have read, and I did not want them deleted.
 In fact, I think that may have been why I lost all those emails,
 because
 I thought I was supposed to say yes, that it was a good thing to
 do.  I
 have not been saying yes, but today I decided that maybe I should
 "compact"---whatever that means!!, and that is when I
 couldn't
 find the email I had just opened.  Do they go to Trash?"
 __
  In her text above she cites "those Emails" from a previous
 incident
 where she lost her messages in ALL folders, based upon her
 comments.  I
 intend to call her again tonight and walk her through the settings
 for
 her SeaMonkey Email program and see if she has something set that
 could
 explain why her messages in her INBOX were moved or deleted when she
 compacted her folders.  I also intend to ask her if she allowed the
 compacting to complete before she did something else?

  Does anyone have a possible explanation as to how messages could
 have been moved or deleted during the compacting of folders??  I feel
 confident that she did something or has set something that caused it,
 since I have been using SeaMonkey for years and have never
 experienced
 that type of problem.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> It's a bug in which messages get temporarily removed from view after
>>> you've compacted the folder. If you select another folder then switch
>>> back, you should see the messages.
>>>
>>
>>  Thanks to all for the advice, I shall contact her tonight and
>> report back on the progress I made.
> 
> If it is the bug mentioned above then perhaps her box is huge.
> When mail boxes get very large they can take over 30 min to compact.
> What I do to avoid this is never let a box be over 1 year (and in some
> cases even less) worth of mail. So if I have box
> "Grandkids" or "inbox" I make a "grandkids_2011" or "inbox_2011" and
> move all the 2011 mail to that box to start fresh in 2012. It keeps
> the box size small and quicker to compact. Also helps in searching etc.


I highly recommend this practice!

Compacting is quicker for folders with fewer emails, plus you avoid
the potential loss of all old e-mails if the compacting process is
somehow interrupted and the entire file is damaged.

File damage is still possible, but much less likely if the compacting
process isn't taking forever because it's re-compacting ancient emails
-- and, if damage does occur, fewer emails are at risk.

I began doing this after TWICE losing valuable archived emails due to
power surges related to lightning strikes...
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Re: spinning cursor

2012-08-13 Thread Bill Davidsen


Daniel wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote, On 28/05/2012 01:18:

sean nathan wrote:

is there something going on with the mozilla.org servers that would
cause m to have an incessantly spininng cursor when connected to this
newsgroup?

sean


It's not the servers, it's a bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727414

Where we can use a work-around:
Under about:config put ui.use_activity_cursor false


I wouldn't call that a work-around, it disables the cursor function to
tell you
when things are (still) happening. If you want a work-around tap the
ESC key
which may actually stop the background activity causing the cursor
spin. Since
that make the CPU usage go down, at least in Linux, I assume that the
real issue
is that some background activity is still running a loop checking if
something
is complete and sleeping if it isn't.

I would rather have the activity notification present and stop the
background
activity manually when I see something running, as opposed to
selecting an
option which amounts to "something undesirable is happening, I won't
look."
Generally in computing ignorance is not bliss.


After checking this problem a bit, it actually may be a server issue, in
that 4-5 other servers I visit which have lots of unread articles don't
show this behavior. The cursor spin briefly while the network activity
indicator is on, then stops without intervention on most other servers
other than mozilla servers.

I shall investigate more, but I post now so people can see if this
matches their observations.



Bill, I also get the no stop spinning icon in the Accounts and Threads parts of
the SM screen, have don so since about 2.7 or 2.8

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:14.0)
Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11

Tried your tip about tapping Escdoes not work for me!!

Thanks for testing, another data point. Happily it does for me, just used it a 
moment ago, but all workarounds fall under the YMMV rule.


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Re: spinning cursor

2012-08-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote, On 28/05/2012 01:18:

sean nathan wrote:

is there something going on with the mozilla.org servers that would
cause m to have an incessantly spininng cursor when connected to this
newsgroup?

sean


It's not the servers, it's a bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727414

Where we can use a work-around:
Under about:config put ui.use_activity_cursor false


I wouldn't call that a work-around, it disables the cursor function to tell you
when things are (still) happening. If you want a work-around tap the ESC key
which may actually stop the background activity causing the cursor spin. Since
that make the CPU usage go down, at least in Linux, I assume that the real issue
is that some background activity is still running a loop checking if something
is complete and sleeping if it isn't.

I would rather have the activity notification present and stop the background
activity manually when I see something running, as opposed to selecting an
option which amounts to "something undesirable is happening, I won't look."
Generally in computing ignorance is not bliss.

After checking this problem a bit, it actually may be a server issue, in that 
4-5 other servers I visit which have lots of unread articles don't show this 
behavior. The cursor spin briefly while the network activity indicator is on, 
then stops without intervention on most other servers other than mozilla servers.


I shall investigate more, but I post now so people can see if this matches their 
observations.


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Re: spinning cursor

2012-08-12 Thread Bill Davidsen


Ray_Net wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote, On 28/05/2012 01:18:

sean nathan wrote:

is there something going on with the mozilla.org servers that would
cause m to have an incessantly spininng cursor when connected to this
newsgroup?

sean


It's not the servers, it's a bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727414

Where we can use a work-around:
Under about:config put ui.use_activity_cursor false


I wouldn't call that a work-around, it disables the cursor function to tell you 
when things are (still) happening. If you want a work-around tap the ESC key 
which may actually stop the background activity causing the cursor spin. Since 
that make the CPU usage go down, at least in Linux, I assume that the real issue 
is that some background activity is still running a loop checking if something 
is complete and sleeping if it isn't.


I would rather have the activity notification present and stop the background 
activity manually when I see something running, as opposed to selecting an 
option which amounts to "something undesirable is happening, I won't look." 
Generally in computing ignorance is not bliss.


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Re: Sync setup issues


Jens Hatlak wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I have sync on several machines, but trying to set up a number of
virtual desktops for a course, I get this "prove you are not a robot"
screen. I seem to recall a CAPCHA or similar prompt before, no nothing...


Yes, it's a CAPTCHA; reCAPTCHA (Google), actually.


I assume this requires some image viewer not installed by default and
not checked for


No, it's just a website embedded (loaded) into the Sync setup wizard.

I guess it's a connection issue on your end or between you, your provider and
the CAPTCHA provider, because it worked for me on both Win 7 with a recent SM
nightly (2.14a) and on Linux with SM 2.11.

The only other reason I could think of would be that the CAPTCHA provider's site
is blocked by some software on your end, e.g. an add-on. Sync takes care of
NoScript itself, but anything else (like AdBlock Plus) could interfere.


Nothing of that nature loaded, and probably wouldn't change with 2.9.1 vs. 2.11 
anyhow. Well, I'll look at the source and see if anything is obvious, maybe even 
install KDE and see if it's related in some way.


Thanks for the hints.

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Re: Sync setup - CAPCHA not displayed w/ 2.11


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bill Davidsen:


Been playing that for ten days now, VZ doesn't check up the pole when it rains
for safety, tells me I can't get fiber because my phone lines are underground.
You can probably see it now,


Yes. I have saved it and looked at it with gimp.


but it just shows the empty rectangle where a  CAPCHA would be. Sigh.


Could it be that the captcha is coming from a remote source which is
blocked? Perhaps by a preference or by Adblock? How about a try with
-safe-mode?


I'll try that, but why 2.9.1 would work and 2.11 not...?

I was hoping a developer would comment, but I guess the SM developers just leave 
a hook for sync and don't want to get into it (reasonable), while the sync 
developers don't read here (assumption, possibly wrong).


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Re: Sync setup - CAPCHA not displayed w/ 2.11


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Bill Davidsen:

Bill Davidsen wrote:



Screen: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/SyncSetup-Fail-2.png


Still hoping for some interest, 2.9.1 worked


I cannot see the picture. But even if, i do not use sync or VMs.

|Network Timeout
|
|The operation timed out when attempting to contact www.tmr.com.
|
|The requested site did not respond to a connection request and
|thebrowser has stopped waiting for a reply.

Hartmut

Yes, I have been having issues with the incoming line to the mail and web 
servers for ten days. When it rains my speed drops and/or ceases. I file a 
trouble ticket and Verizon checks the line next dry day, finds nothing.


Been playing that for ten days now, VZ doesn't check up the pole when it rains 
for safety, tells me I can't get fiber because my phone lines are underground. 
You can probably see it now, but it just shows the empty rectangle where a 
CAPCHA would be. Sigh.


--
Bill Davidsen 
  We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have
taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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