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Holy Moses - I´ll will get into that
Thanks!
BR
Søren

> Den 28. mar. 2018 kl. 00.00 skrev Pierre Alexandre Tremblay 
> <tremb...@gmail.com>:
> 
> This is a very interesting setup. Ambisonics expect your speakers to be on an 
> equidistant sphere (or circle). You have a few options with your setup. Here 
> are a few, in order of practicality for the composting process:
> 
> 1) use the free SpatGris plugin, in free mode, and position your loudspeakers 
> on the grid where they will be, and pan along. Simple and efficient, 
> amplitude based panning. You can choose the radius for each speaker.
> 
> 2) set 2 ambisonic arrays (one of each circles) and crossfade between them
> 
> 3) set the full setup in a fake sphere, using the first 8 as you 0 deg 
> elevation and the other at 45 deg: it won’t be perfect, but you could use 
> elevation to crossfade between rings…
> 
> The trick is to try them: give each setup 2 h of play time, and see which one 
> inspires you the most. They will all have quirks and you will compose around 
> them. That is true for any setup, even stereo ;-)
> 
> p
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 22:49, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> allright
>> my speaker setup (expected to be) 2 concentric circles with 8 speakers in 
>> both circles, so I will have to concentric circles of speakers.
>> then also an inner circle more but all sound in this in headphones.
>> 
>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 23.43 skrev Pierre Alexandre Tremblay 
>>> <tremb...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, to be accurate: there is no more sweet spot issue than vbap. It is 
>>> not better, nor worse. Both have a sound, strengths and weaknesses.
>>> 
>>> If you use asymmetrical speaker layout, far from a regular setup, all will 
>>> fail. You just have to choose your colour of problems.
>>> 
>>> p
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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread Pierre Alexandre Tremblay

This is a very interesting setup. Ambisonics expect your speakers to be on an 
equidistant sphere (or circle). You have a few options with your setup. Here 
are a few, in order of practicality for the composting process:

1) use the free SpatGris plugin, in free mode, and position your loudspeakers 
on the grid where they will be, and pan along. Simple and efficient, amplitude 
based panning. You can choose the radius for each speaker.

2) set 2 ambisonic arrays (one of each circles) and crossfade between them

3) set the full setup in a fake sphere, using the first 8 as you 0 deg 
elevation and the other at 45 deg: it won’t be perfect, but you could use 
elevation to crossfade between rings…

The trick is to try them: give each setup 2 h of play time, and see which one 
inspires you the most. They will all have quirks and you will compose around 
them. That is true for any setup, even stereo ;-)

p



> On 27 Mar 2018, at 22:49, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> allright
> my speaker setup (expected to be) 2 concentric circles with 8 speakers in 
> both circles, so I will have to concentric circles of speakers.
> then also an inner circle more but all sound in this in headphones.
> 
>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 23.43 skrev Pierre Alexandre Tremblay 
>> <tremb...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.
>> 
>> Sorry, to be accurate: there is no more sweet spot issue than vbap. It is 
>> not better, nor worse. Both have a sound, strengths and weaknesses.
>> 
>> If you use asymmetrical speaker layout, far from a regular setup, all will 
>> fail. You just have to choose your colour of problems.
>> 
>> p
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> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
> 
> Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At 
> Moesgaard Museum
> 
> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Sursound] Linux support for Octomic

2018-03-27 Thread Marc Lavallée

Can we expect Octoproc to be released as free software
(with a free/libre license like Tetraproc),
without requiring to buy an OctoMic?
--
Marc

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:21:03 +0200
Fons Adriaensen  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> This is to announce that I will support Core Sound's new Octomic
>  in the same way as the
> Tetramic. 
> 
> Currently the 'octofile' program is available. This is a command
> line file processor performing the A/B conversion. Input can be 
> 1, 2, 4, or 8 files (raw capsule signals), output is a 2nd order
> Ambisonic file in either the legacy FuMa/amb format, or the now
> de facto standard Ambix format (SN3D/ACN), or even N3D/ACN if
> you want that. Output can be wav, aiff, caf, or flac.
> 
> A real-time processor 'octoproc' will follow in a month or so.
> This will have the same features as tetraproc: Jack interface,
> real-time A/B conversion, metering and stereo monitoring.
> 
> The software will be available free (in source form) to anyone
> who has bought or ordered an OctoMic. 
> 
> Ciao,
> 

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allright
my speaker setup (expected to be) 2 concentric circles with 8 speakers in both 
circles, so I will have to concentric circles of speakers.
then also an inner circle more but all sound in this in headphones.

> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 23.43 skrev Pierre Alexandre Tremblay 
> <tremb...@gmail.com>:
> 
>> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.
> 
> Sorry, to be accurate: there is no more sweet spot issue than vbap. It is not 
> better, nor worse. Both have a sound, strengths and weaknesses.
> 
> If you use asymmetrical speaker layout, far from a regular setup, all will 
> fail. You just have to choose your colour of problems.
> 
> p
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Moesgaard Museum

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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread Pierre Alexandre Tremblay

> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.

Sorry, to be accurate: there is no more sweet spot issue than vbap. It is not 
better, nor worse. Both have a sound, strengths and weaknesses.

If you use asymmetrical speaker layout, far from a regular setup, all will 
fail. You just have to choose your colour of problems.

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Re: [Sursound] Linux support for Octomic

2018-03-27 Thread Bearcat Şándor

Fantastic news Fons. Thank you for your continuing great work in bringing
we audio/Linux geeks great software and the ability to run with the Mac and
Windows users.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> This is to announce that I will support Core Sound's new Octomic
> <http://www.core-sound.com/OctoMic/1.php> in the same way as the
> Tetramic.
>
> Currently the 'octofile' program is available. This is a command
> line file processor performing the A/B conversion. Input can be
> 1, 2, 4, or 8 files (raw capsule signals), output is a 2nd order
> Ambisonic file in either the legacy FuMa/amb format, or the now
> de facto standard Ambix format (SN3D/ACN), or even N3D/ACN if
> you want that. Output can be wav, aiff, caf, or flac.
>
> A real-time processor 'octoproc' will follow in a month or so.
> This will have the same features as tetraproc: Jack interface,
> real-time A/B conversion, metering and stereo monitoring.
>
> The software will be available free (in source form) to anyone
> who has bought or ordered an OctoMic.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-order Ambisonics Microphone

2018-03-27 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano


On 03/27/2018 01:18 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:08:54PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:


Sweet! A resounding "me too" to Stefan's question about the matrix, since
you're one channel short :)
Looking at the geometry, I guess you sacrificed the second-order
rotationally symmetric component (FuMa R or ACN 08), which seems to be a
good choice to me.


ACN 6 (= R) actually. The only possible choice given this geometry.
The actual R output is derived from W, which is correct for (near)
horizontal sources.
The A/B processing is a combination of IIR filters and an 8 by 8
convolution matrix. The real magic is of course how this matrix
is computed. To know more you'll have to sell your soul :-)


Ha ha! I thought I had not done that!!! What I have must be the result 
of a (hopefully) short-term rental agreement in the fine print of some 
other contract...


I've been slowly working on an A to B encoder for my version of Eric's 
eight capsule design (the Octathingy). Simpler than yours, and an 
extension of the quad capsule encoder that I initially thought could not 
possibly work for the eight capsule design (I get "reasonable" polar 
patterns at this point). For now a static A to B matrix (8x8) followed 
by FIR filters for each component. The devil is around somewhere (in the 
details :-)...


-- Fernando



Can I assume that there is an updated version of TetraProc for the followers
of the penguin?


See previous post.


And looking at the shop, I don't see the Rycote lyre listed yet - is it a
generic one that can be had from them,


AFAIK, yes. They also have one for the Tetramic. I have it, it's quite
effective. Also fits into the wind shield and optional 'dead kitten'.


I'm trying to come up with a good business case to order one asap, and since
I'm good at fooling myself, it might just happen :-D


Just let me know if and when :-)

Ciao,



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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-orderAmbisonics Microphone

2018-03-27 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano


On 03/27/2018 12:58 PM, Eric Benjamin wrote:

I’d like to point out that I am the inventor of the second order microphone 
array called by Core-Sound the Octomic. I published the design six years ago at 
the 133rd AES Convention in preprint 8728. I purposefully did not patent the 
invention to allow entrepreneurs to use the design.  But I would like a little 
bit of credit! I realize that Core Sound put in significant effort in making 
their product.


Yes! And the "Octathingy", which is part of the SpHEAR[*] project, is 
also a physical realization of Eric's eight capsule design (thanks and 
kudos!).


Two of them are already functional, the first one since 6/2017 (lowres 
picture attached), and the current encoder (which is generated Faust 
code) outputs WXYZSTUV.



I made the microphone utilize only eight channels because I only can record 
eight channels.


That was the attraction of the design for me as well. I have been using 
it with a Zoom F8.


Thanks again, Eric!
-- Fernando

[*] https://cm-gitlab.stanford.edu/ambisonics/SpHEAR/



From: Jörn Nettingsmeier
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:09 PM
To: sursound@music.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 
2nd-orderAmbisonics Microphone

On 03/27/2018 03:59 PM, Len Moskowitz wrote:

core-sound.com/OctoMic/1.php


Sweet! A resounding "me too" to Stefan's question about the matrix,
since you're one channel short :)
Looking at the geometry, I guess you sacrificed the second-order
rotationally symmetric component (FuMa R or ACN 08), which seems to be a
good choice to me.

What's that disclaimer about third-party PPAs? I mean, your PPA seems to
be an integral part of the mic, given that it produces unbalanced
signals. Is there any other magic going on there?

I wonder if you can get ZOOM to include an octomic firmware in the F8
eventually, as Sennheiser did with their Ambeo mic, that one's mighty
handy. (Not that I'm holding my breath, I wouldn't be surprised if there
were some exclusive deals at play...)

Can I assume that there is an updated version of TetraProc for the
followers of the penguin?

And looking at the shop, I don't see the Rycote lyre listed yet - is it
a generic one that can be had from them, or something custom-made and
not quite ready yet?

I'm trying to come up with a good business case to order one asap, and
since I'm good at fooling myself, it might just happen :-D


All best,


Jörn





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well I hoped you would say that!
I´m in to new territory here so I might ask you(…) more questions about the 
logic/Reaper combi
/Søren
> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 21.44 skrev Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com>:
> 
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, 20:21 Søren Bendixen, <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I cannot figure out how to get 16 ch busses working in Logic
>> If you have any idea it would be helpfull
> 
> 
> You don't.
> i just send the outputs directly to a synced Reaper, which does the
> processing in realtime.
> Mono,  stereo, or any other disreet flavours, piped out directly or via
> busses.
> I use it on a separate machine, but one could also use soundflower, jack,
> or an audio interface 'loop back function'.
> If processing headroom is tight, one can work at lower resolution, and do
> an offline full quality render later.
> 
> Ps. I'm with Fons.
> At 3rd order, with a good decode,  Ambisonics sounds good.
> The sweet spot is related to frequency, so i think it's only small for the
> high end.
> I do 1st order decodes to subs, as to me it sounds better.
> Not sure VBAP sweet spot is as large for the lows...
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Steve
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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-order Ambisonics Microphone

2018-03-27 Thread Stefan Schreiber

Nice discussion here, interesting for professionals (Fons) and
amateurs (me TOO!) alike.

Sipping some night coffee... 

Stefan

Citando Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:08:54PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:

Sweet! A resounding "me too" to Stefan's question about the matrix, since

you're one channel short :)

Looking at the geometry, I guess you sacrificed the second-order

rotationally symmetric component (FuMa R or ACN 08), which seems to be a

good choice to me.

ACN 6 (= R) actually. The only possible choice given this geometry.

The actual R output is derived from W, which is correct for (near)

horizontal sources.

The A/B processing is a combination of IIR filters and an 8 by 8

convolution matrix. The real magic is of course how this matrix

is computed. To know more you'll have to sell your soul :-)

Can I assume that there is an updated version of TetraProc for the followers

of the penguin?

See previous post.

And looking at the shop, I don't see the Rycote lyre listed yet - is it a

generic one that can be had from them,

AFAIK, yes. They also have one for the Tetramic. I have it, it's quite

effective. Also fits into the wind shield and optional 'dead kitten'.

I'm trying to come up with a good business case to order one asap, and since

I'm good at fooling myself, it might just happen :-D

Just let me know if and when :-)

Ciao,

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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

I’m cool with that Augustine, really. and ambisonics is still in consideration.
For the next few days ill do some tests
and then i might be wiser :-)
I’m really grateful for all the help I’m receiving - so far 

/søren
> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 22.29 skrev Augustine Leudar 
> <augustineleu...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Ive found for walk around installations with unusual speaker arrays -
> amplitude panning has been th emost useful - howeve rif ther eis hole sin
> the panning ambisonics shines (ie where theres a big gap). As your speaker
> array is quite unusual I guess you could use ambisonics for both rings
> and amplitude pan between them. But as someone said - this isnt an
> ambisonics vs vbap/dbap thread - they both have different strengths and
> weaknesses.
> 
> On 27 March 2018 at 21:26, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You are clear
>> Very interesting about the sweet spot.
>> I might get back to the “done correctly” thing - cause I’ve never worked
>> with ambisonics in a released project.
>> Thanks
>> BR
>> Søren Bendixen
>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 21.40 skrev Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:05:27PM +0200, Søren Bendixen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight)
>>> 
>>> To be clear: the somewhat caustic language used do not refer
>>> to the original poster, but to his sources.
>>> 
>>>> so the phase issue is not to be considered a problem -
>>>> if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue?
>>> 
>>> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.
>>> 
>>> Ciao,
>>> 
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>> 
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>> Moesgaard Museum
>> 
>> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-orderAmbisonics Microphone

2018-03-27 Thread Stefan Schreiber

https://cm-gitlab.stanford.edu/ambisonics/SpHEAR/

"3D models

The 3D models currently include the TinySpHEAR, a four capsule first
order Ambisonics microphone, the Octathingy, an eight capsule second
order design by Eric Benjamin and Aaron Heller and preliminary designs
for 12 and 20 capsule designs (the BigSpHEAR_12 and BigSpHEAR_20
models). The models will be expanded as testing proceeds."

So let's not forget to mention your colleague Aaron (Heller), too?

Best,

Stefan

P.S.: I would see the Octathingy as reduced "Platonic body" design.

This doesn't mean it could not be an invention. Even then the
spherical array microphone has been invented before. The invention
would be to design a microphone for order 1.x?

I am just speculating, because there has to be some specific feature
to be claimed.

Citando Eric Benjamin <eb...@pacbell.net>:

I’d like to point out that I am the inventor of the second order
microphone array called by Core-Sound the Octomic. I published the
design six years ago at the 133rd AES Convention in preprint 8728. I
purposefully did not patent the invention to allow entrepreneurs to
use the design. But I would like a little bit of credit! I realize
that Core Sound put in significant effort in making their product.

I made the microphone utilize only eight channels because I only
can record eight channels.

Eric Benjamin

From: Jörn Nettingsmeier

Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:09 PM

To: sursound@music.vt.edu

Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First
2nd-orderAmbisonics Microphone

On 03/27/2018 03:59 PM, Len Moskowitz wrote:

core-sound.com/OctoMic/1.php[1]

Sweet! A resounding "me too" to Stefan's question about the matrix,

since you're one channel short :)

Looking at the geometry, I guess you sacrificed the second-order

rotationally symmetric component (FuMa R or ACN 08), which seems to be a

good choice to me.

What's that disclaimer about third-party PPAs? I mean, your PPA seems to

be an integral part of the mic, given that it produces unbalanced

signals. Is there any other magic going on there?

I wonder if you can get ZOOM to include an octomic firmware in the F8

eventually, as Sennheiser did with their Ambeo mic, that one's mighty

handy. (Not that I'm holding my breath, I wouldn't be surprised if there

were some exclusive deals at play...)

Can I assume that there is an updated version of TetraProc for the

followers of the penguin?

And looking at the shop, I don't see the Rycote lyre listed yet - is it

a generic one that can be had from them, or something custom-made and

not quite ready yet?

I'm trying to come up with a good business case to order one asap, and

since I'm good at fooling myself, it might just happen :-D

All best,

Jörn

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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-orderAmbisonics Microphone

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:58:08PM -0700, Eric Benjamin wrote:

> I’d like to point out that I am the inventor of the second order microphone
> array called by Core-Sound the Octomic. I published the design six years
> ago at the 133rd AES Convention in preprint 8728.

That is absolutely true. That preprint is indeed the first published description
and analysis of the capsule geometry as used by the OctoMic.

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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

Ive found for walk around installations with unusual speaker arrays -
amplitude panning has been th emost useful - howeve rif ther eis hole sin
the panning ambisonics shines (ie where theres a big gap). As your speaker
array is quite unusual I guess you could use ambisonics for both rings
and amplitude pan between them. But as someone said - this isnt an
ambisonics vs vbap/dbap thread - they both have different strengths and
weaknesses.

On 27 March 2018 at 21:26, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You are clear
> Very interesting about the sweet spot.
> I might get back to the “done correctly” thing - cause I’ve never worked
> with ambisonics in a released project.
> Thanks
> BR
> Søren Bendixen
> > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 21.40 skrev Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:05:27PM +0200, Søren Bendixen wrote:
> >
> >> Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight)
> >
> > To be clear: the somewhat caustic language used do not refer
> > to the original poster, but to his sources.
> >
> >> so the phase issue is not to be considered a problem -
> >> if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue?
> >
> > If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.
> >
> > Ciao,
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You are clear
Very interesting about the sweet spot.
I might get back to the “done correctly” thing - cause I’ve never worked with 
ambisonics in a released project.
Thanks
BR
Søren Bendixen
> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 21.40 skrev Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:05:27PM +0200, Søren Bendixen wrote:
> 
>> Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight)
> 
> To be clear: the somewhat caustic language used do not refer 
> to the original poster, but to his sources.
> 
>> so the phase issue is not to be considered a problem -
>> if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue?
> 
> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-order Ambisonics Microphone

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:08:54PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:

> Sweet! A resounding "me too" to Stefan's question about the matrix, since
> you're one channel short :)
> Looking at the geometry, I guess you sacrificed the second-order
> rotationally symmetric component (FuMa R or ACN 08), which seems to be a
> good choice to me.

ACN 6 (= R) actually. The only possible choice given this geometry.
The actual R output is derived from W, which is correct for (near)
horizontal sources.
The A/B processing is a combination of IIR filters and an 8 by 8
convolution matrix. The real magic is of course how this matrix
is computed. To know more you'll have to sell your soul :-)

> Can I assume that there is an updated version of TetraProc for the followers
> of the penguin?

See previous post.

> And looking at the shop, I don't see the Rycote lyre listed yet - is it a
> generic one that can be had from them,

AFAIK, yes. They also have one for the Tetramic. I have it, it's quite
effective. Also fits into the wind shield and optional 'dead kitten'.

> I'm trying to come up with a good business case to order one asap, and since
> I'm good at fooling myself, it might just happen :-D

Just let me know if and when :-)

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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-orderAmbisonics Microphone

2018-03-27 Thread Eric Benjamin

I’d like to point out that I am the inventor of the second order microphone 
array called by Core-Sound the Octomic. I published the design six years ago at 
the 133rd AES Convention in preprint 8728. I purposefully did not patent the 
invention to allow entrepreneurs to use the design.  But I would like a little 
bit of credit! I realize that Core Sound put in significant effort in making 
their product.

I made the microphone utilize only eight channels because I only can record 
eight channels.

Eric Benjamin

From: Jörn Nettingsmeier
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:09 PM
To: sursound@music.vt.edu
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 
2nd-orderAmbisonics Microphone

On 03/27/2018 03:59 PM, Len Moskowitz wrote:
> core-sound.com/OctoMic/1.php

Sweet! A resounding "me too" to Stefan's question about the matrix, 
since you're one channel short :)
Looking at the geometry, I guess you sacrificed the second-order 
rotationally symmetric component (FuMa R or ACN 08), which seems to be a 
good choice to me.

What's that disclaimer about third-party PPAs? I mean, your PPA seems to 
be an integral part of the mic, given that it produces unbalanced 
signals. Is there any other magic going on there?

I wonder if you can get ZOOM to include an octomic firmware in the F8 
eventually, as Sennheiser did with their Ambeo mic, that one's mighty 
handy. (Not that I'm holding my breath, I wouldn't be surprised if there 
were some exclusive deals at play...)

Can I assume that there is an updated version of TetraProc for the 
followers of the penguin?

And looking at the shop, I don't see the Rycote lyre listed yet - is it 
a generic one that can be had from them, or something custom-made and 
not quite ready yet?

I'm trying to come up with a good business case to order one asap, and 
since I'm good at fooling myself, it might just happen :-D


All best,


Jörn




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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread Steven Boardman

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, 20:21 Søren Bendixen, <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I cannot figure out how to get 16 ch busses working in Logic
> If you have any idea it would be helpfull

You don't.
 i just send the outputs directly to a synced Reaper, which does the
processing in realtime.
Mono,  stereo, or any other disreet flavours, piped out directly or via
busses.
I use it on a separate machine, but one could also use soundflower, jack,
or an audio interface 'loop back function'.
If processing headroom is tight, one can work at lower resolution, and do
an offline full quality render later.

Ps. I'm with Fons.
At 3rd order, with a good decode,  Ambisonics sounds good.
The sweet spot is related to frequency, so i think it's only small for the
high end.
I do 1st order decodes to subs, as to me it sounds better.
Not sure VBAP sweet spot is as large for the lows...

Best

Steve

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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:05:27PM +0200, Søren Bendixen wrote:

> Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight)

To be clear: the somewhat caustic language used do not refer 
to the original poster, but to his sources.

> so the phase issue is not to be considered a problem -
> if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue?

If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue.

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Thanks Steven
I´m considering a move to Reaper, but 15 years ago I did choose Logic as my 
DAW, second by Ableton Live (only remix stuff, and DJ like stuff and 
loop-making - no mixing)
after fumbling around.And logic is (also) my composing tool. nevertheless i 
have the feeling, that Reaper will do the job. The key command thing is 
essential! and big issue for not jumping right away.
I have done several “parrallel designs” in different sessions in logic and 
assembled them later (in logic)
I cannot figure out how to get 16 ch busses working in Logic
If you have any idea it would be helpfull
I´m testing spatial Audio designer now - and maybe it can get past the bus 
structure.
BR
Søren Bendixen
> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 20.14 skrev Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi Søren
> 
> Here's My 2 pence.
> 
> I have used Logic, live and protools for years, and dreaded the switch to
> Reaper to take advantage of the 64ch buses.
> In the end i didn't, i use them all.
> If i am composing i generally use logic, transfer and mixing from film
> edits,  protools, and live performances,  Ableton.
> But i always go through Reaper to do most spatialisation. This is all done
> via digital in and outs and network sync, midi and osc. It works very
> well,  and meant i did not have to change over 20 years of programming in a
> short time.
> Now i tend to do a lot more in Reaper, and and quite happy working solely
> with it. It's a fantastic DAW made by a very responsive team.
> The transition is greatly helped by the fact i have changed all similar
> functions to the same key commands. No looking in a load of menus for
> differently named items.
> 
> I'm not fully convinced of the use of vbap just because of the sweet spot.
> To me even 1st order Ambisonics sounds more immersive, even out of the
> sweetspot. It doesn't suffer speakers pulling the phantom image to the
> nearest source so obviously.
> Ambisonics also seems to even out room response
> , and is
> tolerant of cheap speakers (if they are all the same).
> This all should be a consideration.
> So using both techniques may yield a more robust response.
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Steven
> 
> On 27 Mar 2018 17:13, "Søren Bendixen" <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Johannes
> I’ve been demoing it for a few days!, so I know about it - but only
> scratching the surface - and I actually forgot it on my testing list.
> I liked it, and I´ll get back to MNTN soon, but now my concern is DAW -
> stay in Logic Pro or go to Reaper
> BR
> Søren
> 
> 
>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 17.23 skrev Johannes Scherzer <
> j.scher...@taucher-sound.com>:
>> 
>> Hi Soeren,
>> 
>> If you’re looking for a VBAP/DBAP tool, check out The Sound of the
> Mountain.
>> 
>> WWW.MNTN.ROCKS
>> 
>> It’s super flexible with custom speaker setups, lightweight in terms of
> required processing power, and we intentionally built it exactly for media
> based scenography in museum exhibitions.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> Johannes
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27. Mar 2018, at 08:32, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
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Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight) so the phase issue is not to be 
considered a problem - if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue?

BR
Søren Bendixen

> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 20.40 skrev Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 08:01:20AM +0100, Jack Reynolds wrote:
> 
>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has
>> a quite confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics
>> produce an in phase and out of phase signal in opposite speaker
>> pairs. So if you pan a signal towards a particular speaker, the
>> opposite speaker will produce a lower level antiphase signal,
>> which will work when you are positioned equidistant from both
>> speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air pressure
>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic
>> pattern.
> 
> It is unfortunate (and strange) that after all those years this sort
> of misinformation is still spread. I can only attribute it to what
> seem to be two properties of 'the web': anybody, no matter how misguided
> or malicious, can post whatever he/she wants, and the web never forgets.
> 
> To put this straight: yes these antiphase signals in the opposite
> direction do exist. But first, their level goes down as order increases,
> and second, any decent AMB decoder will use this form of decoding only
> for low frequencies (where 'low' depends on the size of the rig).
> At mid and higher frequencies a 'max-rE' decode should be used, and
> at third order and above the produces very such low levels in the
> opposite direction that it doesn't matter anymore. Third and higher 
> order will work very well for larger systems - IF DONE CORRECTLY. 
> 
> Ciao,
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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 08:01:20AM +0100, Jack Reynolds wrote:

> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has
> a quite confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics
> produce an in phase and out of phase signal in opposite speaker
> pairs. So if you pan a signal towards a particular speaker, the
> opposite speaker will produce a lower level antiphase signal,
> which will work when you are positioned equidistant from both
> speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air pressure
> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic
> pattern.

It is unfortunate (and strange) that after all those years this sort
of misinformation is still spread. I can only attribute it to what
seem to be two properties of 'the web': anybody, no matter how misguided
or malicious, can post whatever he/she wants, and the web never forgets.

To put this straight: yes these antiphase signals in the opposite
direction do exist. But first, their level goes down as order increases,
and second, any decent AMB decoder will use this form of decoding only
for low frequencies (where 'low' depends on the size of the rig).
At mid and higher frequencies a 'max-rE' decode should be used, and
at third order and above the produces very such low levels in the
opposite direction that it doesn't matter anymore. Third and higher 
order will work very well for larger systems - IF DONE CORRECTLY. 

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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread Steven Boardman

Hi Søren

Here's My 2 pence.

I have used Logic, live and protools for years, and dreaded the switch to
Reaper to take advantage of the 64ch buses.
In the end i didn't, i use them all.
If i am composing i generally use logic, transfer and mixing from film
edits,  protools, and live performances,  Ableton.
But i always go through Reaper to do most spatialisation. This is all done
via digital in and outs and network sync, midi and osc. It works very
well,  and meant i did not have to change over 20 years of programming in a
short time.
Now i tend to do a lot more in Reaper, and and quite happy working solely
with it. It's a fantastic DAW made by a very responsive team.
The transition is greatly helped by the fact i have changed all similar
functions to the same key commands. No looking in a load of menus for
differently named items.

I'm not fully convinced of the use of vbap just because of the sweet spot.
To me even 1st order Ambisonics sounds more immersive, even out of the
sweetspot. It doesn't suffer speakers pulling the phantom image to the
nearest source so obviously.
Ambisonics also seems to even out room response
, and is
 tolerant of cheap speakers (if they are all the same).
This all should be a consideration.
So using both techniques may yield a more robust response.

Best

Steven

On 27 Mar 2018 17:13, "Søren Bendixen" <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Johannes
I’ve been demoing it for a few days!, so I know about it - but only
scratching the surface - and I actually forgot it on my testing list.
I liked it, and I´ll get back to MNTN soon, but now my concern is DAW -
stay in Logic Pro or go to Reaper
BR
Søren

> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 17.23 skrev Johannes Scherzer <
j.scher...@taucher-sound.com>:
>
> Hi Soeren,
>
> If you’re looking for a VBAP/DBAP tool, check out The Sound of the
Mountain.
>
> WWW.MNTN.ROCKS
>
> It’s super flexible with custom speaker setups, lightweight in terms of
required processing power, and we intentionally built it exactly for media
based scenography in museum exhibitions.
>
> Good luck!
> Johannes
>
>
>> On 27. Mar 2018, at 08:32, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
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Composer/Sound Designer/Producer

Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At
Moesgaard Museum

New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017

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Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Announces OctoMic - First 2nd-order Ambisonics Microphone

2018-03-27 Thread Ralf R Radermacher


Am 27.03.18 um 15:59 schrieb Len Moskowitz:


core-sound.com/OctoMic/1.php


They'd better come up with drivers for the products they've already 
sold, years ago, e.g. core sound drivers for their useless sorround 
headphones.


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Hi Johannes
I’ve been demoing it for a few days!, so I know about it - but only scratching 
the surface - and I actually forgot it on my testing list.
I liked it, and I´ll get back to MNTN soon, but now my concern is DAW - stay in 
Logic Pro or go to Reaper
BR
Søren

> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 17.23 skrev Johannes Scherzer 
> <j.scher...@taucher-sound.com>:
> 
> Hi Soeren,
> 
> If you’re looking for a VBAP/DBAP tool, check out The Sound of the Mountain. 
> 
> WWW.MNTN.ROCKS
> 
> It’s super flexible with custom speaker setups, lightweight in terms of 
> required processing power, and we intentionally built it exactly for media 
> based scenography in museum exhibitions. 
> 
> Good luck!
> Johannes
> 
> 
>> On 27. Mar 2018, at 08:32, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
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Søren Bendixen
Composer/Sound Designer/Producer

Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At 
Moesgaard Museum

New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017





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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread Johannes Scherzer

Hi Soeren,

If you’re looking for a VBAP/DBAP tool, check out The Sound of the Mountain. 

WWW.MNTN.ROCKS

It’s super flexible with custom speaker setups, lightweight in terms of 
required processing power, and we intentionally built it exactly for media 
based scenography in museum exhibitions. 

Good luck!
Johannes

> On 27. Mar 2018, at 08:32, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

 some of this
> > > >>> sounddesign will appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can
> > > >>> be two different
> > > >> audiofiles
> > > >>> (managed by Qlab).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is
> > > >>>> square
> > > but
> > > >>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by
> > > >>> projecting
> > > >> movies
> > > >>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of
> > > >>> mainly
> > > season
> > > >>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and
> > > >>> just the sound of a cold cold morning..).
> > > >>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
> > > >>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people
> > > >>>> walking or
> > > >>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle
> > > >>> circle and
> > > >> into
> > > >>> headphones. and back.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer
> > > >>>> circle will
> > > >>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you
> > > >>> will hear layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so
> > > >>> you never leave
> > > what I
> > > >>> call the overall sounddesign.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So how do I do that..?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim
> > > >>>> for” a
> > > >>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
> > > >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> > > >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
> > > >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> > > >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
> > > >>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition
> > > >>>> crowd
> > > >>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
> > > >>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it
> > > >>>> is the
> > > >>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the
> > > >>> middle
> > > of
> > > >> a
> > > >>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also
> > > >>> like
> > > the
> > > >>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
> > > >>> configuration..right?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs
> > > >>>> both
> > > >>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific
> > > position)-
> > > >>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
> > > >>> overall ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds
> > > >>> in the same
> > > >> design…?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And what software do I need?
> > > >>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files
> > > >>>> and make
> > > >>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
> > > >>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural
> > > >>>> sound for
> > > >>> headphones.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I´m testing
> > > >>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in
> > > >>>> logic
> > > too)
> > > >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics
> > > >>>> output) -
> > > >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
> > > >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but
> > > >>>> misses some
> > > >>> automation)
> > > >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I’m about to test

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread Marc Lavallée

gt; > >>> circle and  
> > >> into  
> > >>> headphones. and back.  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer
> > >>>> circle will  
> > >>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you
> > >>> will hear layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so
> > >>> you never leave  
> > what I  
> > >>> call the overall sounddesign.  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So how do I do that..?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim
> > >>>> for” a  
> > >>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
> > >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> > >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
> > >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> > >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?  
> > >>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition
> > >>>> crowd  
> > >>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.  
> > >>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it
> > >>>> is the  
> > >>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the
> > >>> middle  
> > of  
> > >> a  
> > >>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also
> > >>> like  
> > the  
> > >>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
> > >>> configuration..right?  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs
> > >>>> both  
> > >>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific  
> > position)-  
> > >>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
> > >>> overall ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds
> > >>> in the same  
> > >> design…?  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And what software do I need?
> > >>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files
> > >>>> and make  
> > >>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files  
> > >>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural
> > >>>> sound for  
> > >>> headphones.  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I´m testing
> > >>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in
> > >>>> logic  
> > too)  
> > >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics
> > >>>> output) -  
> > >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)  
> > >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but
> > >>>> misses some  
> > >>> automation)  
> > >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I’m about to test
> > >>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
> > >>>> Rondo360
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab
> > >>>> can  
> > handle  
> > >>> ambisonics, right?  
> > >>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper  
> > >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <  
> > >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in
> > >>>> different  
> > >>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try
> > >>> and  
> > make  
> > >>> all three in the same session…in logic.  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might
> > >>>> use for  
> > >>> some odd stuff.  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So - what do you recommend?
> > >>>> And what do see as problems/issues?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone
> > >>>> to says:  
> > >>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-)  
> > >>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people
> > >>>> how does  
> > >> far  
> > >>> more weird stuff than this :-)  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Søren Bendixen
> > >>>> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition
> > >>>> “Gladiator”,  
> > >> At  
> > >>> Moesgaard Museum  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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; >>>>>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my
> >>> speakers.
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool.
> >>>>>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but
> hope I
> >>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and
> Reaper.
> >>> I
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic -
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into
> >>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>> DAW
> >>>>>>>>> is difficult.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use
> >>>>>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo,
> >>> some
> >>>>>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging
> >>> every
> >>>>>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways -
> and I
> >>>>>>>> started
> >>>>>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3
> >>>>>> compositions/sounddesign
> >>>>>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from
> >>>>>> asoundeffect).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker
> >>>>>>>>> placement.
> >>>>>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and
> >>> this is
> >>>>>>>>> what want to do:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one
> >>> related
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two
> other
> >>>>>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5
> meters
> >>> up
> >>>>>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This
> >>> sounddesign
> >>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this
> >>> part of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this
> sounddesign
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different
> >>>>>>>> audiofiles
> >>>>>>>>> (managed by Qlab).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is
> >>> square
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by
> projecting
> >>>>>>>> movies
> >>>>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of
> mainly
> >>>>>> season
> >>>>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and
> just
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..).
> >>>>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
> >>>>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people
> >>> walking or
> >>>>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>> headphones. and back.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circ

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;>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use
>>>>>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo,
>>> some
>>>>>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging
>>> every
>>>>>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I
>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3
>>>>>> compositions/sounddesign
>>>>>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from
>>>>>> asoundeffect).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker
>>>>>>>>> placement.
>>>>>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and
>>> this is
>>>>>>>>> what want to do:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one
>>> related
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other
>>>>>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters
>>> up
>>>>>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This
>>> sounddesign
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this
>>> part of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different
>>>>>>>> audiofiles
>>>>>>>>> (managed by Qlab).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is
>>> square
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting
>>>>>>>> movies
>>>>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly
>>>>>> season
>>>>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..).
>>>>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
>>>>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people
>>> walking or
>>>>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle
>>> and
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> headphones. and back.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will
>>> hear
>>>>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave
>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So how do I do that..?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim
>>> for” a
>>>>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
>>>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
>>>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
>>>>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition
>>> crowd
>>>>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker
>> >>>>>> placement.
>> >>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and
>> this is
>> >>>>>> what want to do:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one
>> related
>> >>> to
>> >>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other
>> >>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters
>> up
>> >>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This
>> sounddesign
>> >>>>> will
>> >>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this
>> part of
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign
>> >>> will
>> >>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different
>> >>>>> audiofiles
>> >>>>>> (managed by Qlab).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is
>> square
>> >>> but
>> >>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting
>> >>>>> movies
>> >>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly
>> >>> season
>> >>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..).
>> >>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
>> >>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people
>> walking or
>> >>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle
>> and
>> >>>>> into
>> >>>>>> headphones. and back.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle
>> >>> will
>> >>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will
>> hear
>> >>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave
>> >>> what I
>> >>>>>> call the overall sounddesign.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So how do I do that..?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim
>> for” a
>> >>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
>> >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>> >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
>> >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>> >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
>> >>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition
>> crowd
>> >>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>> >>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is
>> the
>> >>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the
>> middle
>> >>> of
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also
>> like
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
>> >>>>>> configuration..right?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
>> >>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific
>> >>> position)-
>> >>>>>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
>> >>> overall
>> >>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

local sound related to object/themes in this part
> of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign
> >>> will
> >>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different
> >>>>> audiofiles
> >>>>>> (managed by Qlab).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square
> >>> but
> >>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting
> >>>>> movies
> >>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly
> >>> season
> >>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just
> >>> the
> >>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..).
> >>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
> >>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking
> or
> >>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle
> and
> >>>>> into
> >>>>>> headphones. and back.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle
> >>> will
> >>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will
> hear
> >>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave
> >>> what I
> >>>>>> call the overall sounddesign.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So how do I do that..?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim
> for” a
> >>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
> >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
> >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
> >>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd
> >>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
> >>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is
> the
> >>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the
> middle
> >>> of
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like
> >>> the
> >>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
> >>>>>> configuration..right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
> >>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific
> >>> position)-
> >>>>>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
> >>> overall
> >>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
> >>>>> design…?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And what software do I need?
> >>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and
> make
> >>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
> >>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound
> >>> for
> >>>>>> headphones.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I´m testing
> >>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic
> >>> too)
> >>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics
> output)
> >>> -
> >>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
> >>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses
> >>> some
> >>>>>> automation)
> >>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I’m about to test
> >>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
> >>>>>>> Rondo360
> >>>>>>>
> >

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

gt;> but
>>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting
>>>>>> movies
>>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly
>>>> season
>>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just
>>>> the
>>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..).
>>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
>>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking
>>>> or
>>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and
>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> headphones. and back.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle
>>>> will
>>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear
>>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave
>>>> what I
>>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So how do I do that..?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for”
>>>> a
>>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
>>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd
>>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>>>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the
>>>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the
>>>> middle of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like
>>>> the
>>>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
>>>>>>> configuration..right?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
>>>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific
>>>> position)-
>>>>>>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
>>>> overall
>>>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
>>>>>> design…?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And what software do I need?
>>>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make
>>>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
>>>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound
>>>> for
>>>>>>> headphones.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I´m testing
>>>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic
>>>> too)
>>>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics
>>>> output) -
>>>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
>>>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses
>>>> some
>>>>>>> automation)
>>>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m about to test
>>>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
>>>>>>>> Rondo360
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can
>>>> handle
>>>>>>> ambisonics, right?
>>>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
>>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
>>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
>>>>>>> sessions and combini

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

l
>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear
>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave
>>> what I
>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So how do I do that..?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a
>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd
>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the
>>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle
>>> of
>>>>> a
>>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like
>>> the
>>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
>>>>>> configuration..right?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
>>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific
>>> position)-
>>>>>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
>>> overall
>>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
>>>>> design…?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And what software do I need?
>>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make
>>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
>>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound
>>> for
>>>>>> headphones.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I´m testing
>>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic
>>> too)
>>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output)
>>> -
>>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
>>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses
>>> some
>>>>>> automation)
>>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m about to test
>>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
>>>>>>> Rondo360
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can
>>> handle
>>>>>> ambisonics, right?
>>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
>>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and
>>> make
>>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for
>>>>>> some odd stuff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So - what do you recommend?
>>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says:
>>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-)
>>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does
>>>>> far
>>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Søren Bendixen
>>>>>>> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>&g

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

gt;>>
>>> >>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle
>>> will
>>> >>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear
>>> >>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave
>>> what I
>>> >>> call the overall sounddesign.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So how do I do that..?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for”
>>> a
>>> >>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
>>> >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>> >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
>>> >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>> >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
>>> >>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd
>>> >>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>>> >>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the
>>> >>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the
>>> middle of
>>> >> a
>>> >>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like
>>> the
>>> >>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
>>> >>> configuration..right?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
>>> >>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific
>>> position)-
>>> >>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
>>> overall
>>> >>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
>>> >> design…?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> And what software do I need?
>>> >>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make
>>> >>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
>>> >>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound
>>> for
>>> >>> headphones.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I´m testing
>>> >>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic
>>> too)
>>> >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics
>>> output) -
>>> >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
>>> >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses
>>> some
>>> >>> automation)
>>> >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I’m about to test
>>> >>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
>>> >>>> Rondo360
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can
>>> handle
>>> >>> ambisonics, right?
>>> >>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
>>> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
>>> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
>>> >>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and
>>> make
>>> >>> all three in the same session…in logic.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use
>>> for
>>> >>> some odd stuff.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So - what do you recommend?
>>> >>>> And what do see as problems/issues?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to
>>> says:
>>> >>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-)
>>> >>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does
>>> >> far
>>> >>> more weird stuff than this :-)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Søren Bendixen
>>> >>>> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition
>>> “Gladiator”,
>>> >> At
>>> >>> Moesgaard Museum
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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 walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>> >>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the
>> >>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle
>> of
>> >> a
>> >>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like
>> the
>> >>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
>> >>> configuration..right?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
>> >>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific
>> position)-
>> >>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an
>> overall
>> >>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
>> >> design…?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And what software do I need?
>> >>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make
>> >>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
>> >>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound
>> for
>> >>> headphones.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I´m testing
>> >>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic
>> too)
>> >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output)
>> -
>> >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
>> >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses
>> some
>> >>> automation)
>> >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’m about to test
>> >>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
>> >>>> Rondo360
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can
>> handle
>> >>> ambisonics, right?
>> >>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
>> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
>> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
>> >>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and
>> make
>> >>> all three in the same session…in logic.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for
>> >>> some odd stuff.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So - what do you recommend?
>> >>>> And what do see as problems/issues?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says:
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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic
> too)
> >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) -
> >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
> >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some
> >>> automation)
> >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m about to test
> >>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
> >>>> Rondo360
> >>>>
> >>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can
> handle
> >>> ambisonics, right?
> >>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
> >>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and
> make
> >>> all three in the same session…in logic.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for
> >>> some odd stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> So - what do you recommend?
> >>>> And what do see as problems/issues?
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says:
> >>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-)
> >>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does
> >> far
> >>> more weird stuff than this :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Søren Bendixen
> >>>> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
> >>>>
> >>>> Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”,
> >> At
> >>> Moesgaard Museum
> >>>>
> >>>> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread søren Bendixen

nd so is speaker
>>> placement.
>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is
>>> what want to do:
>>>> 
>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related to
>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other
>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural.
>>>> 
>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up
>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign
>> will
>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of
>> the
>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will
>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different
>> audiofiles
>>> (managed by Qlab).
>>>> 
>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square but
>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting
>> movies
>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly season
>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just the
>>> sound of a cold cold morning..).
>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or
>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and
>> into
>>> headphones. and back.
>>>> 
>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle will
>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear
>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave what I
>>> call the overall sounddesign.
>>>> 
>>>> So how do I do that..?
>>>> 
>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a
>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd
>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the
>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle of
>> a
>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like the
>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
>>> configuration..right?
>>>> 
>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific position)-
>>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an overall
>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
>> design…?
>>>> 
>>>> And what software do I need?
>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make
>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound for
>>> headphones.
>>>> 
>>>> I´m testing
>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic too)
>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) -
>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some
>>> automation)
>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
>>>> 
>>>> I’m about to test
>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
>>>> Rondo360
>>>> 
>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can handle
>>> ambisonics, right?
>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
>>>> 
>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and make
>>> all three in the same session…in logic.
>>>> 
>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for
>>> some odd stuff.
>>>> 
>>&

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread søren Bendixen

is time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is
>>> what want to do:
>>>> 
>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related to
>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other
>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural.
>>>> 
>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up
>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign
>> will
>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of
>> the
>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will
>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different
>> audiofiles
>>> (managed by Qlab).
>>>> 
>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square but
>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting
>> movies
>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly season
>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just the
>>> sound of a cold cold morning..).
>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or
>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and
>> into
>>> headphones. and back.
>>>> 
>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle will
>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear
>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave what I
>>> call the overall sounddesign.
>>>> 
>>>> So how do I do that..?
>>>> 
>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a
>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd
>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the
>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle of
>> a
>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like the
>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
>>> configuration..right?
>>>> 
>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific position)-
>>> and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an overall
>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
>> design…?
>>>> 
>>>> And what software do I need?
>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make
>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound for
>>> headphones.
>>>> 
>>>> I´m testing
>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic too)
>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) -
>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good)
>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some
>>> automation)
>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
>>>> 
>>>> I’m about to test
>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
>>>> Rondo360
>>>> 
>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can handle
>>> ambisonics, right?
>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
>>>> 
>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and make
>>> all three in the same session…in logic.
>>>> 
>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for
>>> some odd stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> So - what do you recommend?
>>>> And what d

Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project

2018-03-27 Thread jack reynolds

usic, local sound related to object/themes in this part of
> the
> > exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will
> > appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different
> audiofiles
> > (managed by Qlab).
> > >
> > > - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square but
> > we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting
> movies
> > on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly season
> > related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just the
> > sound of a cold cold morning..).
> > > his sounddesign should be ambisonics too.
> > > If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or
> > wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and
> into
> > headphones. and back.
> > >
> > > The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle will
> > blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear
> > layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave what I
> > call the overall sounddesign.
> > >
> > > So how do I do that..?
> > >
> > > First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a
> > sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www.
> > creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> > ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www.
> > creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of-
> > ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..?
> > > It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd
> > walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go.
> > > And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the
> > best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle of
> a
> > storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like the
> > idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker
> > configuration..right?
> > >
> > > So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both
> > overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific position)-
> > and wandering sounds -  it seems to be possible too to blend an overall
> > ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same
> design…?
> > >
> > > And what software do I need?
> > > I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make
> > ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files
> > > and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound for
> > headphones.
> > >
> > > I´m testing
> > > Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic too)
> > > DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) -
> > (sounds great and the panner is very good)
> > > And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some
> > automation)
> > > Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic)
> > >
> > > I’m about to test
> > > Waves ambisonics B360 + NX
> > > Rondo360
> > >
> > > Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can handle
> > ambisonics, right?
> > > I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper
> > https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 <
> > https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556>
> > >
> > > I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different
> > sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and make
> > all three in the same session…in logic.
> > >
> > > I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for
> > some odd stuff.
> > >
> > > So - what do you recommend?
> > > And what do see as problems/issues?
> > >
> > > I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says:
> > Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-)
> > > And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does
> far
> > more weird stuff than this :-)
> > >
> > > I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me.
> > >
> > > Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
> > >
> > > Søren Bendixen
> > > Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
> > >
> > > Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”,
> At
> > Moesgaard Museum
> > >
> > > New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017
> > >
>

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