Re: [Sursound] A comparison of fifteen ambisonic microphones
Med venlig hilsen Søren Bendixen Audiotect Composer/Sounddesigner/guitarist (iPhone message) > Den 10. nov. 2023 kl. 11.57 skrev Panos Kouvelis : > > Although this thread is based on engineering and the scientific method, I > would like to point out that all the developers of ambisonic microphones > are doing a great job offering tools in a sector that is difficult for the > industry to follow and more difficult for the average consumer to grasp. > Not to mention that Ambisonics doesn't have the money backing and marketing > power of commercial proprietary formats, besides the fact that it's a > pretty elegant solution to spatial audio. > > Everybody in the commercial immersive audio sector already has a difficult > job, which sometimes seems like a dead end. > > For us engineers and/or scientists, one decibel makes a difference, but we > all should be proud and happy that we have so many nice toys to create, > which is the ultimate cause. > > I personally like to thank everybody who worked or shared input in this > endeavor! > > Major kudos! :-) > > *Pan Athen* > SoundFellas <https://soundfellas.com/>, *MediaFlake Ltd > <http://mediaflake.com/>* > Digital Media Services, Content, and Tools > > >> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 12:35 PM Jack Reynolds >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Mark, >> >> Much appreciated >> >> I only wish Len wasn’t so defensive! >> >> Cheers >> >> Jack >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 10 Nov 2023, at 01:18, Mark Thompson >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Jack, I really appreciate the work you and your colleagues have >> put together. It is a great resource for our community. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Mark >>> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20231110/d86b2fea/attachment.htm> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20231110/e1f95661/attachment.htm> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Replacement for Beyerdynamic Headzone?
DearVR monitor..? Best Søren Sendt fra min iPhone > Den 13. aug. 2023 kl. 12.19 skrev Ralf R Radermacher : > > Having upgraded my Mac OS from Monterey to Ventura, my Headzone Pro > wouldn't work anymore. Looks like Core Audio no longer supports it. > Customer support by Beyer for this product has ended years ago. So I had > to revert to Monterey and no, you don't want to know how that went... > > At least, it's working again. > > Anyway, a quick market survey showed that there seems to be no > replacement for the Headzone. Not from Beyer and not from anyone else. > Or have I missed something? > > For those who are not familiar with the Headzone: it's a headphone > amplifier with a built-in HRTF processor that simulates listening > through loudspeakers (stereo up to 5.1) in a room with definable > characteristics. > > https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/beyerdynamic-headzone-pro > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] The Garden of Unearthly Delights
I’m not but I wish I was Looks and sounds very cool All the best Søren Bendixen/Audiotect Sendt fra min iPhone > Den 26. mar. 2023 kl. 17.37 skrev Augustine Leudar > : > > Hi Spatials, > On the outside.possibility that anyone finds themselves around Killarney > National Park in Ireland today, The Garden of Unearthly Delights 3D sound > installation is open free to the public, details here: > > https://fb.watch/jw0M1Skl1n/ > > Exact location: > > Dropped pin > https://maps.app.goo.gl/iP74ynDuhJiwVz1U6 > > All the best > Gus > > > > >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, 17:00 , wrote: >> >> Send Sursound mailing list submissions to >>sursound@music.vt.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>sursound-ow...@music.vt.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." >> >> >> WHEN REPLYING EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE >> >> ALSO EDIT THE MESSAGE BODY >> >> You are receiving the digest so when replying, please remember to edit >> your Subject line to that of the original message you are replying to, so >> it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Sursound-list digest?" the >> subject should match the post you are replying to. >> >> Also, please EDIT the quoted post so that it is not the entire digest, but >> just the post you are replying to - this will keep the archive useful and >> not polluted with extraneous posts. >> >> This is the responsibility of digest subscribers. the community and list >> subscribers care about the integrity of the threads and archives so this is >> important. >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Tenure-track professorship open in Aalto University (Pulkki Ville) >> 2. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Fons Adriaensen) >> 3. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Sampo Syreeni) >> 4. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Chris Woolf) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:21:21 + >> From: Pulkki Ville >> To: "sursound@music.vt.edu" >> Subject: [Sursound] Tenure-track professorship open in Aalto >>University >> Message-ID: <433f58be-15e0-474d-b35b-17f1036d5...@aalto.fi> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello, >> >> [sorry for cross-posting] >> >> We have an assistant-level tenure-track faculty position Department of >> Information and Communications Engineering in Aalto University. >> >> We welcome all applicants with a research background where psychoacoustics >> is applied in audio or any other field of acoustics. >> >> More details here: >> >> https://aalto.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com/PrivateJobPosting/job/Otaniemi-Espoo-Finland/Assistant-Professor-in-Technical-Psychoacoustics--tenure-track-_R35274-5 >> >> The campus of Aalto University is in Espoo, metropolitan area of Helsinki, >> Finland. >> >> >> All the best, >> Ville Pulkki >> Professor of Acoustics >> Acoustics lab >> Dept Information and Communications Engineering >> Aalto University >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20230215/b45a154f/attachment.htm >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:44:46 +0100 >> From: Fons Adriaensen >> To: sursound@music.vt.edu >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] So long CIPIC HRTF? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:06:39PM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >>> >>> I'd put counter-aileron, maybe some rudder, and often pull down >>> to recover airspeed... >> >> 'pull down' ?? >> >> You either 'pull up' or 'push down'... >> >> And if you're in a spiral, there is no need to recover >> airspeed - it will be dangerously high and you want to >> reduce it. >> >> Ciao, >> >> -- >> FA >> >> >> >> -- >>
Re: [Sursound] about principled rendering of ambisonic to binaural
I´m also "only" a musician/composer, trying to get wiser..:-) But I do know that VST is not working in Logic - this is AU format only. I would try stuff, and listen. Maybe you could use Reasurroundpan the new surroundplugin in reaper. if U don´t have reaper U can get a 60 days free evaluation (or more) Another plug in I use for listening back is DearVR MONITOR. Penteo can do the same and go directly to Binaural but goes from atmos 5.1.4. Or you can try Flux spat revolution (expensive) There is trial versions of all this plug ins (Spat R is Not a plug in though) Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer & stringed instruments player Company: Audiotect Web:audiotect.dk <http://audiotect.dk/> Latest Music and Sounddesign 14 september - ? Sound and Music for New Exhibition at Danish Jewish Museum, Copenhagen. August 2022 - ? Music and sounddesign for the Exhibition "Auf den Spuren einer Königin", at Großraden, Germany 29 april 2022 - february 23 Sounddesign for Neanderthal exhibition at the National History Museum - Copenhagen 22 january - 11 september 2022 Music and sounddesign for "RUS Viking" at Moesgaard Museum In progress Sound and Music for the Exhibition KAOS. Moesgaard Museum. Opens 11 nov. 2022 Recordings for new album :"Musik" by Søren Bendixen.Release fall 2022 > Den 18. sep. 2022 kl. 04.57 skrev David McKevy : > > Ralph you mentioned wanting a Mac based VST so I assume you have access to > Logic and can try their binaural decoder? > > It's been a while since I worked with channel based surround but I assume > that by now they may have varying HRTF's... > > Just a thought... > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 8:52 PM Ralph Jones wrote: > >> I’m a composer, not a mathematician, so while I try, I don’t get very far >> at understanding discussions like this. But the subject is of real concern >> for me, because I am currently working in 5.1.4 surround format >> (channel-based, not Atmos) and I would dearly love to find a mac-compatible >> VST plugin that would convincingly render my work in binaural. So, is there >> a plugin that does what Fons describes here? (i.e., given azimuth and >> elevation for each channel, render the signals to binaural convincingly, >> including an impression of elevation for height channels.) >> >> Ralph Jones >> >>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 9:00 AM,Fons Adriaensen wrote: >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:59:49 +0200 >>> From: Fons Adriaensen >>> To: sursound@music.vt.edu >>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] about principled rendering of ambisonic to >>> binaural >>> Message-ID: >>> <20220913135949.ugwflytibwa7p...@mail1.linuxaudio.cyso.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> >> >> [Snip] >> >>> Another question is if for high quality binaural rendering, starting from >>> Ambisonic content is a good idea at all. >>> >>> Simple fact is that if you want really good results you need very high >>> order, and >>> >>> 1. such content isn't available from direct recordings (we don't have >> even >>> 10th order microphpones), so it has to be synthetic, >>> >>> 2. rendering it from an Ambisonic format would be very inefficient. For >>> example for order 20 you'd need 441 convolutions if you assume L/R head >>> symmetry, twice that number if you don't. >>> >>> Compare this to rendering from object encoded content (i.e. mono signals >>> plus directional metadata). You need only two convolutions per object. >>> Starting from a sufficiently dense HRIR set, you can easily generate a >>> new set on a regular grid with a few thousand points, and interpolate >>> them (VBAP style) in real time. This can give you the same resolution >>> as e.g. order 40 Ambisonics at fraction of the complexity. >>> >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> -- >>> FA >> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20220917/acff5f4e/attachment.htm> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe her
Re: [Sursound] Into Sound - Headphone Localization Hearing Test
Done couldn´t really hear "back" or I messed up between back left (mostly) and back i guess Best Søren Bendixen/Audiotect > Den 1. nov. 2021 kl. 12.24 skrev Jakob Gille : > > For all the people interested in binaural audio: > I'm currently working on a new technique to enhance the localization of > sounds in binaural music. > To further examine this, I created a hearing test. It would be great if a lot > of people could participate to get representative results. > So have fun listening to some Shakespeare and Drums and feel free to share > the test! > It only takes around 5 min. > https://bit.ly/intosoundhearingtest <https://bit.ly/intosoundhearingtest> > > -- > Into Sound - Konzerte für dreidimensionale Musik > https://intosound.de > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20211101/0eb21515/attachment.htm> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer & Guitarist Company: Audiotect Latest Music and Sounddesign Neanderthal - In the Land of the Mammoth Hunters -17 nov 2020 - oct. 2021 Moesgaard Museum special exhibition Stringquartet no. 1 - Release d. 200920 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20211101/b0cfed66/attachment.htm> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 26222 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20211101/b0cfed66/attachment.jpeg> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: strygekvartet.png Type: image/png Size: 54289 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20211101/b0cfed66/attachment.png> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] build in speakers
Hi I´m doing a lot of sound design for different museums and the museum uses mainly Genelecs, different models (the Dante suited ones mostly). In the current exhibition we have 57 speakers. they sound good, distributes the sound fine, but they look like..speakers and take up the space like speakers. And the designer of the exhibitions (and the soundesigner) doesn´t like a modern looking speaker in the middle of set up about a neanderthal. The speakers end up being placed "out of sight" - 3,5 - 4 meter above ground, sometimes a combi of this high and on the floor. So If I want a group of Mammoths walking through the wood, they walk 4 meters up (and suddenly on the ground and up again) - so I don´t do the walk... Sometimes we want a projection on a large stone (build of wood and stuff) to speak directly to the the viewer/listener, but the speaker hangs from the ceiling - 3 meters up... In rare occasion we are allowed to build in the Genelecs and after calibration it ended up sounding really good. (eight Genelec´s pointing outwards in a circle, playing stereo (aka 4 stereo set ups) A lot of you guyes have probably experienced the same challenges. And like me been searching the marked for build in possibilities But I cannot find anything that both sound good and is build in capable (or just "out of sight"). Where should I look? any experience to share? pros and cons? I know there are "laws and order" regarding how a speaker needs to be build to make a sound (a good one) and I´m talking to some technical guys about why not event a speaker that uses the thing it is buid into as the sound chamber. Of course in conjunction with some calibration. So you have "the gut" of the speaker and uses (in this case) the Stone as a chamber. Anyone ever tried that? Another thing is how to cover up the speaker diaphragm/membrane, the we don´t eat up the frequencies. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer & Guitarist Company: Audiotect Radio Audiotect: Is closed atm. Latest Music and Sounddesign Neanderthal - In the Land of the Mammoth Hunters -17 nov 2020 - summer 2021 Moesgaard Museum special exhibition Stringquartet no. 1 - Release d. 200920 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20201113/58dd1fc8/attachment.htm> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: neandertaler-moesgaard-museum-website kopi.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5530 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20201113/58dd1fc8/attachment.jpg> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: strygekvartet.png Type: image/png Size: 54289 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20201113/58dd1fc8/attachment.png> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] speakers pointing away from center
Thanks for the feedback. I feel more reassured. Spat can do DBAP, and I´m waitng for an answer from Flux regarding speaker configuration. I think it wold be ideal to make the right set up, but I could be theory only - Don´t know - I wil make som tests next week. I´m on a tight schedule, so learning new software is a challenge, but I will look into it. Best regards Søren > Den 3. okt. 2020 kl. 11.23 skrev Augustine Leudar : > > in which you CAN tell the software where the speakers are and ideally in > which direction they are facing. > > On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 10:20, Augustine Leudar > wrote: > >> just to elaborate with an example - I once had to pan a sound around an >> octagon of speakers "facing outward" - using a normal octaphonic panner >> worked with this just as well as if the speakers had been facing inward - >> because basically the software doesn't know where you've put speakers- it >> just uses panning laws to pan sounds from one speaker to the next, you just >> need to play around with speaker positions/directivty/panning law etc . I >> even used an octaphonic panner in which the software thought the speakers >> were in a nice circle - to pan a sound round a part of a maze once. You >> just have to watch your panning law/speaker positions so there's not too >> many holes in the panning - and make sure you're not trying to pan "across >> the circle" as obviously if your speakers are not in a circle it will lead >> to unpredictable results. This is a workaround - obviously some form of >> special DBAP software is preferred. >> >> On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 09:35, Augustine Leudar >> wrote: >> >>> Hi I do these kinds of things all the time - far more than ambisonics in >>> fact basically you want to use Dbap or just any form of amplitude panning. >>> You could try using ICST in max msp which allows you to draw a map of the >>> sp[eakers, adjust directivity and then pan the sound around said map, or >>> you could try Immersive DSPs Immergo system which will allow you to do a >>> similar thing with certain soundcards, I believe Spat has this capability >>> too. If Learning this software is too much for your time schedule you can >>> use normal surround sound panners in a way that they're not strictly meant >>> to be used. For example a normal quadraphonic panner will still pan a sound >>> up and down a straight line of 4 speakers instead of a square if you put >>> the speakers in a straight line instead of a square etc etc >>> all the best >>> Gus >>> >>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 at 22:30, Søren Bendixen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Surround group >>>> For my next exhibition sounddesign I need to make to set ups that is >>>> causing me some concern >>>> one set up is 4 speakers, another is 6 speakers (but are only feeded by >>>> 4 channels of sound) >>>> BUT for both set ups the speakers are point away from center. >>>> The speakers are arranged in a circle, They play out at an angle of >>>> approx. 30 - 40 degrees, seen from a horizontal angle, so they point >>>> upwards, a bit. Hope this is understandable. >>>> >>>> I usually work in reaper + Spat Revolution when I have to make "crazy" >>>> configurations, but this one I can not get drawn in spat R and I do not >>>> immediately know a program that can do such a set up. Next week I have to >>>> experiment with a similar high-pitched line-up - and think that I might >>>> just have to produce directly. >>>> I will try quad format first and see/hear what happens... >>>> >>>> One of the set ups is a Mammuth standing in a river. The sounddesign >>>> should "make the mammuth come alive - so I have one speaker for head, one >>>> for each side and one for the back of the animal. >>>> The diameter for the speaker circle is around one meter for this design, >>>> The diameter for the other design is approx. 2 meters. >>>> >>>> In both cases there must be a coherent sound design (in one set up we >>>> add speak). >>>> If anyone has ideas, experiences I would love to hear about it. >>>> >>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards >>>> >>>> Søren Bendixen >>>> Composer/Sound Designer & Guitarist >>>> >>>> Company: Audiotect >>>> >>>> Radio Audiotect: Playlist < >>>> https://open.spotify.com/playlist/75xmPEKthgagQwwtvllfeJ?si=
[Sursound] speakers pointing away from center
Hi Surround group For my next exhibition sounddesign I need to make to set ups that is causing me some concern one set up is 4 speakers, another is 6 speakers (but are only feeded by 4 channels of sound) BUT for both set ups the speakers are point away from center. The speakers are arranged in a circle, They play out at an angle of approx. 30 - 40 degrees, seen from a horizontal angle, so they point upwards, a bit. Hope this is understandable. I usually work in reaper + Spat Revolution when I have to make "crazy" configurations, but this one I can not get drawn in spat R and I do not immediately know a program that can do such a set up. Next week I have to experiment with a similar high-pitched line-up - and think that I might just have to produce directly. I will try quad format first and see/hear what happens... One of the set ups is a Mammuth standing in a river. The sounddesign should "make the mammuth come alive - so I have one speaker for head, one for each side and one for the back of the animal. The diameter for the speaker circle is around one meter for this design, The diameter for the other design is approx. 2 meters. In both cases there must be a coherent sound design (in one set up we add speak). If anyone has ideas, experiences I would love to hear about it. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer & Guitarist Company: Audiotect Radio Audiotect: Playlist <https://open.spotify.com/playlist/75xmPEKthgagQwwtvllfeJ?si=IqiVEz1lTOK9HKOXOtEcgQ> Latest Music and Sounddesign Stringquartet no. 1 - Release d. 200920 "HEX - Museum for Witch Hunt" Ribe, Denmark From 30 june 2020 - Permanent exhibition -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20201002/538d72d5/attachment.htm> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5395.png Type: image/png Size: 113871 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20201002/538d72d5/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 107457750_157381739207936_3979296757990523384_o 2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 26694 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20201002/538d72d5/attachment.jpeg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode's Ambisonic library [was Re: Comparison Sennheiser Ambeo mic vs. Rode NT-SF1?]
Cool, thanks Been searching for amb files the last few days Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer & Sound Designer Listen: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2VtMLzhkZ2AZwtuFZ7EAFr?si=9Ahj6TIQQFiBmv5Jio0X_w > Den 25. apr. 2020 kl. 14.04 skrev David Worrall : > > > > Hi All, > > In case you missed it: > > https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/04/24/rode-microphones-releases-free-ambisonic-sound-library/ > > Hope you’re all bearing up under the lock-in, > > David > > --- > > Dr David Worrall > > Professor, Audio Arts and Acoustics > > Columbia College Chicago > > 33 E. Ida B. Wells Drive Room 601A > > Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA 60605 > > Wikipedia:David Worrall > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Worrall_(composer)> > > Personal research/creative practice website:avatar.com.au > <http://avatar.com.au/> > > Some music/sonification:on soundcloud > <https://soundcloud.com/david-worrall-8849455> Youtube videos > <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9vjIQ8ca6oOnhOs1fMq1DqhoaxXV-9i0> > > New Organised Sound issue (25/1):Computation in the Sonic Arts > <https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/organised-sound/volume/C868728E57C2FEF58217164D7F862577> > > New Book:Sonification Design: From data to intelligible soundfields > <https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030014964>(Springer) > > (also available throughAmazon > <https://www.amazon.com/Sonification-Design-intelligible-soundfields-Human-Computer/dp/3030014967/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=worrall+sonification=1553803176=gateway=8-1-fkmrnull>) > > > *From:*Sursound <mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu>> on behalf of Steven Boardman > mailto:boardroomout...@gmail.com>> > *Reply-To:*Surround Sound discussion group <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu>> > *Date:*Friday, December 14, 2018 at 04:42 > *To:*Surround Sound discussion group <mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu>> > *Subject:*Re: [Sursound] Comparison Sennheiser Ambeo mic vs. Rode NT-SF1? > > Hi Stefan > > One can use multiple instances to create as many beamformers as one needs > > to upmix or extract. One doesn't need to be constrained to 7.1 or 5.1 > > positions, as all beamformers can be moved. Although in pairs and a > > separate centre channel, which is a pain. > > As i mentioned earlier, it good at this, a lot better than the usual > > virtual first order mic. As one can suppress the rear lobe. It is > > definitely sharper as well. > > I can't compare it directly to Harpex as i don't have the full Harpex > > version, just the algorithm in Blue Ripples Harpex up mixer. (which i use > > all the time) > > The Rode plugin is free so try it. I am not sure why, as I think users > > would pay for its decording. I am now using it regularly. > > Best > > Steve > > .” > > - - - - > > They don’t mention this, in fact this seems to be a kind of Facebook > > speculation... > > Other sources: > > https://digitalfilmmaker.net/rode-soundfield-nt-sf1-ambisonic-microphone/ > > So in my understanding you can’t simulate a high-resolution ambisonics > > to 5.1 decoding (for example) with 5 virtual shotgun mikes. Because > > the “shotgun capsule responses” won’t add up to a 5.1 microphone at > > all... (The 5.1 mike capsule responses should be rather cardioid, and > > a coincident stereophonic 5.1 microphone ain’t be good either.) > > It is even less clear how a supposed new parametric ambisonics > > decoding process should work, because such a thing is neither > > explained nor even mentioned by Rode - and I don’t see any function to > > test... > > Do I miss anything? Of course it would be quite sensational if Rode > > should have invented a new form of FOA upsampling AND would give this > > away “for free” in some plugin. (AND then not promoting this > > sensational feature...) > > But I highly doubt it... > > Best, > > Stefan > > P.S.: But in case I should be wrong, it would have been me to provoke > > a reaction from Rode which would < unveil > a very hidden and > > insignificant superresolution feature. > > . > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20181214/93873a63/attachment.html> > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu <mailto:Sursound@music.vt.edu
Re: [Sursound] Flux Spat Revolution - any users?
Hi Jon Answers below > Den 18. jul. 2019 kl. 22.28 skrev Jonathan Kawchuk > : > > Hey Søren, > > > • I’m getting some crashing when trying to load the return plugin in reaper > but seems to be fine now. Don´t know, but be sure to check and follow all suggestions re. setting up Reaper for Spat R. (in the Spat R. userguide 1.1 - be sure you´re on 1.1.). Do all suggestions before inserting the return plug. Be sure to have the same frame rate too. (under project setting in reaper - I use 30) > • Names from tracks do not auto populate into the send plugin Are you using AU or VST? VST is doing this. Use AU instead. > • Getting a mismatch on my buffer no matter what I do (attached). I’m working > at 1024 and 2048 with 96k but it seems to think i’m on 2056 - this is the > biggest problem Do you request block size in reaper? (under preferences - device) - btw: I don´t see anything attached..? in Spat R: You have to manully set the block size (= buffersize) and not choose any device. A save and restart of both program sometimes helps. But I also get a mismatch at 1024, but It workss fine when choosing 2048.(just a test session with one send and one return - when I did my last project I was on 4096..!) > • Speaker arrangements not saving > well I had this issue a while back. Can´t remember what happened but I do not > experiences this any more. What I do depends if I´m bullding from scratch or building from an existing arrangement. But I tried to dublicate a stereo arrangement and then did some changes - applied and it was saved - and kept coming up. When you write in changes in ex. Azimuth always press enter on your computer keyboard. then apply - and then save! always save save save..:-) > What errors are you experiencing? I’ll keep updating. Well I have a long list of errors I will try and collect them and post them asap. One thing though: If you´re on a mac (don´t know about PC) you can benefit (sometimes save your session) by disableling HyberThread. I use an app called "CPUSetter" (free but he gets happu if you donate - i Did) just enable it again if you´re using Logic Pro or other stuff. /Søren > > > > On Jul 16, 2019, 12:25 AM -0600, Søren Bendixen , > wrote: >> >> >> >> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards >> Søren Bendixen >> Composer & Producer >> soerenbendixen.com >> >>> Den 16. jul. 2019 kl. 04.48 skrev Jonathan Kawchuk >>> : >>> >>> Hi Søren, >>> >>> Just about to start using Flux Spat Revolution and Reaper this week (if I >>> can get their demo license to even work). Will keep communications open if >>> anything messes up. >>> >>> Jon >>>> On May 25, 2019, 12:18 PM -0600, Søren Bendixen >>>> , wrote: >>>> >>>> As stated >>>> I need to talk to somebody with experience with Flux spat revolution >>>> It just keeps f...ing up (using Reaper as daw) >>>> >>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards >>>> Søren Bendixen >>>> Composer & Producer >>>> soerenbendixen.com >>>> ___ >>>> Sursound mailing list >>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >>>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >>> -- next part -- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190715/572b/attachment.html> >>> ___ >>> Sursound mailing list >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit >> account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190718/1bad4b99/attachment.html> > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Attachment.png > Type: image/png > Size: 5459 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190718/1bad4b99/attachment.png> > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Attach
Re: [Sursound] Flux Spat Revolution - any users?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer & Producer soerenbendixen.com > Den 16. jul. 2019 kl. 04.48 skrev Jonathan Kawchuk > : > > Hi Søren, > > Just about to start using Flux Spat Revolution and Reaper this week (if I can > get their demo license to even work). Will keep communications open if > anything messes up. > > Jon >> On May 25, 2019, 12:18 PM -0600, Søren Bendixen , >> wrote: >> >> As stated >> I need to talk to somebody with experience with Flux spat revolution >> It just keeps f...ing up (using Reaper as daw) >> >> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards >> Søren Bendixen >> Composer & Producer >> soerenbendixen.com >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit >> account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190715/572b/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Flux Spat Revolution - any users?
As stated I need to talk to somebody with experience with Flux spat revolution It just keeps f...ing up (using Reaper as daw) Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer & Producer soerenbendixen.com ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] any users of Flux Spat Revolution (together with Reaper)?
Hi Folks I would like to get in contact with users of Flux SPAT Revolution, in conjunction with Reaper. Other DAWS could do, but I have serious issues with SPAT and Reaper, but some or most of them could come from SPAT R. I on one hand I need help (I am in contact with FLux, they are kinda slow (busy!), and the problems seems to fundamental, that I need someone user experience - and sharing of issues/solutions. On the other hand I need to confirm or not confirm that these issues is caused by my misuse or misunderstand of the program - could be, but I seriously doubt it. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Company: Audiotect New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets Nomader", - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019 - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019 Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190420/6793966a/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4363.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23636 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190420/6793966a/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Zoom H3-VR
Someone on Facebook mention around 350 USD https://www.facebook.com/groups/SpatialAudioVRARMR/?multi_permalinks=1454242301385759_id=1536703644190551_t=group_highlights <https://www.facebook.com/groups/SpatialAudioVRARMR/?multi_permalinks=1454242301385759_id=1536703644190551_t=group_highlights> /Søren Bendixen > Den 14. sep. 2018 kl. 09.43 skrev David Worrall : > > Hi All, > > I didn’t manage to see a price. Any clues? > > > > Cheers, > > David > > > > > > From: Sursound on behalf of Marc Lavallée > > Reply-To: Surround Sound discussion group > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 8:00 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Zoom H3-VR > > > > Le 13/09/2018 à 14:04, Courville, Daniel a écrit : > > New tetrahedral mic and recorder from Zoom: > > https://www.zoom.co.jp/products/field-video-recording/field-recording/zoom-h3-vr-handy-recorder > > > > I just read the quick guide pdf document (which is only 16 pages long). > > > > It has nice features; notably it can work as a 4-channel USB sound module. > > > > Sadly, the remote control app is for iOS only (no Android version yet); > > I guess that a market study proved that the target audience is mostly > > using Apple products. > > > > Something odd; the orientation must be set in the menu, and the > > orientation sensors are just used to adjust the tilt of the microphone > > (like an integrated level). An orientation tracker, with automatic > > rotation of the soundfield would have been better (but maybe more > > expensive). The same tracker could have been used to rotate the > > soundfield while replaying the recording through the phone out, instead > > of changing the soundfield rotation in the menu (because small lcd menus > > are such a pain to use). > > > > Marc > > > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180914/c14e6e0d/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Company: Audiotect New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets Nomader", - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019 - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019 Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180914/c0847206/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4363.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23636 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180914/c0847206/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Looking for mic advice
Hi Len This is very interesting information. I’ve have just ordered a mixpre 6 so I’m ready for 1’ st order ambisonics But my aim is using ambisonics in exhibition set ups so people can walk around in spaces/full circles ca. 10 meters in diameter I have no experience with ambisonics and not at all in “live” settings but regarding your info it seems like only a 2’ end order ambisonics recording will be usefull? If usefull at all..? If usefull; Can you recommend Zoom F8n (or “just” F8) as a recorder with Octomic? Or any other 8 ch recorder around the same price range? The main point is low noise pre’s - no fancy stuff. Re. Price: the list price is 1999 USD for Octomic and you mention that it is just a little above Sennheiser Ambeo (which i can buy in Europe incl. tax AND shipping for 1920 USD at Thomann) Is your price ex. Tax and shipping? I live in Denmark. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer & Producer soerenbendixen.com > Den 12. aug. 2018 kl. 20.37 skrev Len Moskowitz : > > When selecting an ambisonic microphone, I'll suggest a few things you should > look and listen for. > > > All of the older Soundfield microphones (all other than the SPS200) used > hardware to apply their calibrations. Each microphone was individually > measured and a calibration correction was built into the hardware processor. > > > As the microphones aged, they fell out of calibration. To restore their > performance, you had to send the microphone and the processor back to > Soundfield for re-calibration. This was expensive, and ideally had to be done > every two or three years. When Soundfield went through multiple changes of > owndership, the knowledge to re-calibrate (and even to initially calibrate) > was lost. > > > > With the introduction of our TetraMic in late 2006, the hardware was no > longer needed. We calibrated each and every TetraMic individually and > provided a calibration file that was applied with an A- to B-format encoder > plugin. > > > Soundfield later came out with their SPS200. Instead of providing individual > calibration files for each SPS200, they initially matched all the capsules at > the factory to the same standard, and then provided a single generic > calibration correction that they expected would work for all SPS200s. It > turns out that as the capsules on the SPS200s aged, a single generic > calibration file couldn't possibly work for all of them. And they never > offered a re-calibration service. Eventually, based on what we've measured, > they lost the ability to even match the capsules correctly initially at the > factory - eachone is very different than the next. > > > > The result of using a single generic calibration correction file is that they > can't correct for a lot of things. One of them is divergence at low > frequencies. So what they did was to cut off the SPS200's low frequency > response at around 90 Hz. The Sennheiser Ambeo takes the same approach, and > it also has a 90 Hz low frequency cutoff. The new Rode mic (as of yet > unreleased) seems to follow the same approach. > > > > And of course, as the capsules age, even if they were well-matched from the > factory (which SPS200s are not now, but Ambeos seem to be), after two or > three years, they will not be. > > > Neither Soundfield (now owned by Rode) nor Sennheiser offers re-calibration > services. > > > > SPS200 and Ambeo are first-order tetrahedral array microphones. > > > TetraMic is Core Sound's first-order microphone. It is probably the > best-selling first-order microphone in the world. Each one is individually > calibrated. Re-calibration is recommended every two to three years. Low > frequency response goes down to below 30 Hz. (We've calibrated them on > special order down to 10 Hz.) It's calibration is tuned to sound like a DPA > 4003. > > > > First-order tetrahedral arrays are good for some things, but they're weak at > others. If properly calibrated, its pickup patterns are better than pretty > much any mono mic. But its listening sweet spot is only about the size of a > human head. Outside of that you'll start to hear some loss of localization > cues. Its localization cues are not particularly strong, which is why the VR > industry tends to use them for ambience, but supplements them with spot mics > for stronger localization cues. > > > > Second-order ambisonic mics have a much, much larger sweet spot, and much, > much stronger localization cues. They can synthesize second-order pickup > patterns that have much more directional selectivity, rejecting much more > sound from unwanted directions. That let's you get at least twice as far from > the sound sou
Re: [Sursound] Looking for mic advice
Link to audio clip recorded with Mr. Reynolds mic? And a hint about price..? No info on website but the other mics look beautiful Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer & Producer soerenbendixen.com > Den 11. aug. 2018 kl. 19.29 skrev Axel Drioli : > > Jack's mic sounds amazing, the soundfield is so clear and less > 'in-your-face', as opposed to most FOA mics. > > > > On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 at 19:16 jack reynolds > wrote: > >> I use 14mm electrets, so you can still get them pretty close together. They >> naturally have a lower noise floor and wide dynamic range. >> >> Jack >> >>> On 11 August 2018 at 14:42, Chris Woolf wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote: >>>> >>>> ... I use >>>> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower >>>> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around. >>>> >>>> But is that done using large diaphragm capsules? With the inevitable >>> consequences in terms of coincidence? >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ___ >>> Sursound mailing list >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> 07889727365 >> >> 02036861372 >> >> 3 Swimmers Lane >> Haggerston >> London >> E2 8FR >> >> >> www.facebook.com/reynoldsmicrophones >> >> www.sohovr.co.uk >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180811/504f69e2/attachment.html >>> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > -- > *Axel Drioli <http://www.axeldrioli.com/>* > > *Immersive Audio Designer and Producer for 360 Videos, VR and Installations* > > > *Tel-Facetime: +44 7460 223640 * > *Skype: axel.drioli* > *Website: * > *axeldrioli.com <http://axeldrioli.com/>* > *E-mail: 3dso...@axeldrioli.com <3dso...@axeldrioli.com>* > > > *LDN. UK* > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180811/c2006be3/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Looking for mic advice
Hi I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode) NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so.. BR Søren Bendixen > Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland : > > Hi guys > > We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a > additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage. > > I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads > of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible. > > We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard > mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had > experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders. > > Advice welcome > > Drew > > > > > > Drew Kirkland > 1 campbleton cottage > Hunterston Estate > KA23 9QF > > 07876238608 > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180810/3ceb1f7b/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Company: Audiotect New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets Nomader", - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019 - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019 Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180810/8f5743a1/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4363.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 20401 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180810/8f5743a1/attachment.jpeg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
Holy Moses - I´ll will get into that Thanks! BR Søren > Den 28. mar. 2018 kl. 00.00 skrev Pierre Alexandre Tremblay > <tremb...@gmail.com>: > > This is a very interesting setup. Ambisonics expect your speakers to be on an > equidistant sphere (or circle). You have a few options with your setup. Here > are a few, in order of practicality for the composting process: > > 1) use the free SpatGris plugin, in free mode, and position your loudspeakers > on the grid where they will be, and pan along. Simple and efficient, > amplitude based panning. You can choose the radius for each speaker. > > 2) set 2 ambisonic arrays (one of each circles) and crossfade between them > > 3) set the full setup in a fake sphere, using the first 8 as you 0 deg > elevation and the other at 45 deg: it won’t be perfect, but you could use > elevation to crossfade between rings… > > The trick is to try them: give each setup 2 h of play time, and see which one > inspires you the most. They will all have quirks and you will compose around > them. That is true for any setup, even stereo ;-) > > p > > > >> On 27 Mar 2018, at 22:49, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> allright >> my speaker setup (expected to be) 2 concentric circles with 8 speakers in >> both circles, so I will have to concentric circles of speakers. >> then also an inner circle more but all sound in this in headphones. >> >>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 23.43 skrev Pierre Alexandre Tremblay >>> <tremb...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue. >>> >>> Sorry, to be accurate: there is no more sweet spot issue than vbap. It is >>> not better, nor worse. Both have a sound, strengths and weaknesses. >>> >>> If you use asymmetrical speaker layout, far from a regular setup, all will >>> fail. You just have to choose your colour of problems. >>> >>> p >>> ___ >>> Sursound mailing list >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> >> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards >> >> Søren Bendixen >> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer >> >> Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At >> Moesgaard Museum >> >> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 >> >> >> >> >> >> Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag >> soerenbendi...@gmail.com >> +45 60624394 >> www.soerenbendixen.com >> Facebook >> Soundcloud >> >> >> >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/169a6bbe/attachment.html> >> -- next part -- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 61248 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/169a6bbe/attachment.jpg> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit >> account or options, view archives and so on. > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180328/9466b19a/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180328/9466b19a/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
allright my speaker setup (expected to be) 2 concentric circles with 8 speakers in both circles, so I will have to concentric circles of speakers. then also an inner circle more but all sound in this in headphones. > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 23.43 skrev Pierre Alexandre Tremblay > <tremb...@gmail.com>: > >> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue. > > Sorry, to be accurate: there is no more sweet spot issue than vbap. It is not > better, nor worse. Both have a sound, strengths and weaknesses. > > If you use asymmetrical speaker layout, far from a regular setup, all will > fail. You just have to choose your colour of problems. > > p > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/169a6bbe/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/169a6bbe/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
well I hoped you would say that! I´m in to new territory here so I might ask you(…) more questions about the logic/Reaper combi /Søren > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 21.44 skrev Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com>: > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, 20:21 Søren Bendixen, <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I cannot figure out how to get 16 ch busses working in Logic >> If you have any idea it would be helpfull > > > You don't. > i just send the outputs directly to a synced Reaper, which does the > processing in realtime. > Mono, stereo, or any other disreet flavours, piped out directly or via > busses. > I use it on a separate machine, but one could also use soundflower, jack, > or an audio interface 'loop back function'. > If processing headroom is tight, one can work at lower resolution, and do > an offline full quality render later. > > Ps. I'm with Fons. > At 3rd order, with a good decode, Ambisonics sounds good. > The sweet spot is related to frequency, so i think it's only small for the > high end. > I do 1st order decodes to subs, as to me it sounds better. > Not sure VBAP sweet spot is as large for the lows... > > > Best > > Steve > >> >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/b9fd6303/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/54b614aa/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/54b614aa/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
I’m cool with that Augustine, really. and ambisonics is still in consideration. For the next few days ill do some tests and then i might be wiser :-) I’m really grateful for all the help I’m receiving - so far /søren > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 22.29 skrev Augustine Leudar > <augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > Ive found for walk around installations with unusual speaker arrays - > amplitude panning has been th emost useful - howeve rif ther eis hole sin > the panning ambisonics shines (ie where theres a big gap). As your speaker > array is quite unusual I guess you could use ambisonics for both rings > and amplitude pan between them. But as someone said - this isnt an > ambisonics vs vbap/dbap thread - they both have different strengths and > weaknesses. > > On 27 March 2018 at 21:26, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You are clear >> Very interesting about the sweet spot. >> I might get back to the “done correctly” thing - cause I’ve never worked >> with ambisonics in a released project. >> Thanks >> BR >> Søren Bendixen >>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 21.40 skrev Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>: >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:05:27PM +0200, Søren Bendixen wrote: >>> >>>> Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight) >>> >>> To be clear: the somewhat caustic language used do not refer >>> to the original poster, but to his sources. >>> >>>> so the phase issue is not to be considered a problem - >>>> if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue? >>> >>> If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue. >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> -- >>> FA >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Sursound mailing list >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> >> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards >> >> Søren Bendixen >> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer >> >> Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At >> Moesgaard Museum >> >> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 >> >> >> >> >> >> Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag >> soerenbendi...@gmail.com >> +45 60624394 >> www.soerenbendixen.com >> Facebook >> Soundcloud >> >> >> >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ >> attachments/20180327/13710a42/attachment.html> >> -- next part -- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 61248 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ >> attachments/20180327/13710a42/attachment.jpg> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > > -- > Dr. Augustine Leudar > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > Company Number : NI635217 > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > Belfast BT88LL > www.magikdoor.net > -- next part ------ > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/bedb6c21/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/c7ba6838/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/c7ba6838/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
You are clear Very interesting about the sweet spot. I might get back to the “done correctly” thing - cause I’ve never worked with ambisonics in a released project. Thanks BR Søren Bendixen > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 21.40 skrev Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:05:27PM +0200, Søren Bendixen wrote: > >> Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight) > > To be clear: the somewhat caustic language used do not refer > to the original poster, but to his sources. > >> so the phase issue is not to be considered a problem - >> if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue? > > If done correctly, there is no sweep spot issue. > > Ciao, > > -- > FA > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/13710a42/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/13710a42/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
Thanks Steven I´m considering a move to Reaper, but 15 years ago I did choose Logic as my DAW, second by Ableton Live (only remix stuff, and DJ like stuff and loop-making - no mixing) after fumbling around.And logic is (also) my composing tool. nevertheless i have the feeling, that Reaper will do the job. The key command thing is essential! and big issue for not jumping right away. I have done several “parrallel designs” in different sessions in logic and assembled them later (in logic) I cannot figure out how to get 16 ch busses working in Logic If you have any idea it would be helpfull I´m testing spatial Audio designer now - and maybe it can get past the bus structure. BR Søren Bendixen > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 20.14 skrev Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com>: > > Hi Søren > > Here's My 2 pence. > > I have used Logic, live and protools for years, and dreaded the switch to > Reaper to take advantage of the 64ch buses. > In the end i didn't, i use them all. > If i am composing i generally use logic, transfer and mixing from film > edits, protools, and live performances, Ableton. > But i always go through Reaper to do most spatialisation. This is all done > via digital in and outs and network sync, midi and osc. It works very > well, and meant i did not have to change over 20 years of programming in a > short time. > Now i tend to do a lot more in Reaper, and and quite happy working solely > with it. It's a fantastic DAW made by a very responsive team. > The transition is greatly helped by the fact i have changed all similar > functions to the same key commands. No looking in a load of menus for > differently named items. > > I'm not fully convinced of the use of vbap just because of the sweet spot. > To me even 1st order Ambisonics sounds more immersive, even out of the > sweetspot. It doesn't suffer speakers pulling the phantom image to the > nearest source so obviously. > Ambisonics also seems to even out room response > , and is > tolerant of cheap speakers (if they are all the same). > This all should be a consideration. > So using both techniques may yield a more robust response. > > > Best > > Steven > > On 27 Mar 2018 17:13, "Søren Bendixen" <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Johannes > I’ve been demoing it for a few days!, so I know about it - but only > scratching the surface - and I actually forgot it on my testing list. > I liked it, and I´ll get back to MNTN soon, but now my concern is DAW - > stay in Logic Pro or go to Reaper > BR > Søren > > >> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 17.23 skrev Johannes Scherzer < > j.scher...@taucher-sound.com>: >> >> Hi Soeren, >> >> If you’re looking for a VBAP/DBAP tool, check out The Sound of the > Mountain. >> >> WWW.MNTN.ROCKS >> >> It’s super flexible with custom speaker setups, lightweight in terms of > required processing power, and we intentionally built it exactly for media > based scenography in museum exhibitions. >> >> Good luck! >> Johannes >> >> >>> On 27. Mar 2018, at 08:32, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: >>> >>> Re: (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project >>>(s?ren Bendixen) >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/9041d34e/attachment.html >> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > Med venlig hilsen/Best regards > > Søren Bendixen > Composer/Sound Designer/Producer > > Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At > Moesgaard Museum > > New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 > > > > > > Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag > soerenbendi...@gmail.com > +45 60624394 > www.soerenbendixen.com > Facebook > Soundcloud > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/ae9524e1/attachment.html >> > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 61248 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/ae9524e1/attachment.jpg >> > > ___
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
Okay (dont start a gearslutzlike fight) so the phase issue is not to be considered a problem - if done correctly - but what about the sweet spot issue? BR Søren Bendixen > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 20.40 skrev Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org>: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 08:01:20AM +0100, Jack Reynolds wrote: > >> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has >> a quite confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics >> produce an in phase and out of phase signal in opposite speaker >> pairs. So if you pan a signal towards a particular speaker, the >> opposite speaker will produce a lower level antiphase signal, >> which will work when you are positioned equidistant from both >> speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air pressure >> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >> pattern. > > It is unfortunate (and strange) that after all those years this sort > of misinformation is still spread. I can only attribute it to what > seem to be two properties of 'the web': anybody, no matter how misguided > or malicious, can post whatever he/she wants, and the web never forgets. > > To put this straight: yes these antiphase signals in the opposite > direction do exist. But first, their level goes down as order increases, > and second, any decent AMB decoder will use this form of decoding only > for low frequencies (where 'low' depends on the size of the rig). > At mid and higher frequencies a 'max-rE' decode should be used, and > at third order and above the produces very such low levels in the > opposite direction that it doesn't matter anymore. Third and higher > order will work very well for larger systems - IF DONE CORRECTLY. > > Ciao, > > -- > FA > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/b028ae1d/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/b028ae1d/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
Hi Johannes I’ve been demoing it for a few days!, so I know about it - but only scratching the surface - and I actually forgot it on my testing list. I liked it, and I´ll get back to MNTN soon, but now my concern is DAW - stay in Logic Pro or go to Reaper BR Søren > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 17.23 skrev Johannes Scherzer > <j.scher...@taucher-sound.com>: > > Hi Soeren, > > If you’re looking for a VBAP/DBAP tool, check out The Sound of the Mountain. > > WWW.MNTN.ROCKS > > It’s super flexible with custom speaker setups, lightweight in terms of > required processing power, and we intentionally built it exactly for media > based scenography in museum exhibitions. > > Good luck! > Johannes > > >> On 27. Mar 2018, at 08:32, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: >> >> Re: (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project >> (s?ren Bendixen) > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/9041d34e/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/ae9524e1/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/ae9524e1/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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now? > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.37 skrev Augustine Leudar > <augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > Actually I've ehad a thought about how you could do it in Logic. Give me a > bell +44 (0) 7719456112 > best > Gus > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:36, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Learning Max would take much longer than learning Nuendo. Its not max for >> live perse but the standalone software max msp which predated max for live >> Im suggesting. >> I wouldnt try and use live for this and Logic doesnt have enough busses. >> What you are describing is the kind of work I do very often - Im afraid the >> learning curve would be quite steep as you need to learn new software. I >> would learn reaper. >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:32, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I could afford Nuendo, but are nervous about time for learning. >>> Max—is it max for live? >>> I work daily in Ableton Live, but guess max is a different thing. >>> Logic has 8 ch busses. >>> >>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.25 skrev Augustine Leudar < >>> augustineleu...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns >>> - >>>> reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus >>> system in >>>> Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact >>> the >>>> balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a >>> really >>>> irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it >>> (theres >>>> possibly other software available - thats just what I use) >>>> >>>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >>>>> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >>>>> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I >>> dont >>>>> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> And impressive work! >>>>>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>>>>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>>>>> BR >>>>>> Søren Bendixen >>>>>> >>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>>>>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>>>>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar < >>> augustineleu...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >>> would >>>>>> be >>>>>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>>>>> sweet >>>>>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations >>> and >>>>>>>> occasionally for museums, >>>>>>>> best, >>>>>>>> Gus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >>>>>> phase >>>>
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.28 skrev Augustine Leudar > <augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > PS there are more flexible forms of amplitude panning - but Im trying to > keep it brief ! Fro circles Vbap the one I reckon. > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:25, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > >> PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns - >> reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus system in >> Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact the >> balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a really >> irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it (theres >> possibly other software available - thats just what I use) >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >>> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >>> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I dont >>> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >>> >>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks >>>> And impressive work! >>>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>>> BR >>>> Søren Bendixen >>>> >>>> Sendt fra min iPad >>>> >>>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >>>> with >>>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >>>> would be >>>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>>> sweet >>>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >>>>>> occasionally for museums, >>>>>> best, >>>>>> Gus >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>>> quite >>>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >>>> phase >>>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >>>> signal >>>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >>>> lower >>>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >>>>>> equidistant >>>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >>>>>> pressure >>>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >>>>>> pattern. >>>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because >>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >>>> unless >>>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel >>>> signal. >>>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper >>>> and >>>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >>>>>> could >>>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs >>>> which >>>>>> will
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
I could afford Nuendo, but are nervous about time for learning. Max—is it max for live? I work daily in Ableton Live, but guess max is a different thing. Logic has 8 ch busses. > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.25 skrev Augustine Leudar > <augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns - > reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus system in > Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact the > balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a really > irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it (theres > possibly other software available - thats just what I use) > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > >> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I dont >> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks >>> And impressive work! >>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>> BR >>> Søren Bendixen >>> >>> Sendt fra min iPad >>> >>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >>> with >>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would >>> be >>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>> sweet >>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >>>>> occasionally for museums, >>>>> best, >>>>> Gus >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>> quite >>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >>> phase >>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >>> signal >>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >>> lower >>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >>>>> equidistant >>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >>>>> pressure >>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >>>>> pattern. >>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of >>>>> the >>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >>> unless >>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. >>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper >>> and >>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >>>>> could >>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which >>>>> will >>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a >>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS >>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same >>> time. >>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
Thanks And impressive work! Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) BR Søren Bendixen Sendt fra min iPad > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: > > This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. > > J > > http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/papers/marentakis_2014c.pdf > > > On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project with >> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would be >> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - sweet >> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >> occasionally for museums, >> best, >> Gus >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a quite >>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in phase >>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a signal >>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a lower >>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >> equidistant >>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >> pressure >>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >> pattern. >>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of >> the >>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, unless >>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. >>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>> >>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper and >>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >> could >>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which >> will >>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a >>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS >>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same time. >>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so >>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> I need some advice! >>>> >>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project >>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot lately, >>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff to >>> binaural. >>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. I >>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I can >>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>>> >>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I do >>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the >>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into another >> DAW >>> is difficult. >>>> >>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some >>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every >>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >> started >>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 compositions/sounddesign >>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from asoundeffect). >>>> >>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - a
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
Very cool Interesting that also genres influences the experience of stability and spatial quality Sendt fra min iPad > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: > > This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. > > J > > http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/papers/marentakis_2014c.pdf > > > On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project with >> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would be >> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - sweet >> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >> occasionally for museums, >> best, >> Gus >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a quite >>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in phase >>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a signal >>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a lower >>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >> equidistant >>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >> pressure >>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >> pattern. >>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of >> the >>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, unless >>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. >>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>> >>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper and >>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >> could >>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which >> will >>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a >>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS >>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same time. >>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so >>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> I need some advice! >>>> >>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project >>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot lately, >>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff to >>> binaural. >>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. I >>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I can >>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>>> >>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I do >>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the >>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into another >> DAW >>> is difficult. >>>> >>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some >>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every >>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >> started >>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 compositions/sounddesign >>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from asoundeffect). >>>> >>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >>> placement. >>>> But th
Re: [Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
Hi Jack Thanks for feedback My feedback belo Sendt fra min iPad > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 09.01 skrev Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: > > As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a quite > confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in phase and > out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a signal towards > a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a lower level > antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned equidistant from > both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air pressure at > that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic pattern. So as > you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of the opposite > pairs of speakers. > It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, unless you > are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. > So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? I don’t know about vbap - cannot find a lot about it - any info, links to videos and plugin makers? Will vbap work in Reaper or/ and Logic Pro? Sounds like ambisonics is no go re. Sweet spot and placing sounds. Btw: when I wrote sound related to specific objects it is just “close to” specific object :-) Maybe I should just stick with my “unusual” use of the standard surround configurations - using 7.1 and just using it in “circle mode”..hmm > > I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper and have > also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which could be > worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which will give > you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a > customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS > Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same time. > They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! > PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so first > order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. PTHD is just too expensive, nuendo just expensive... The other stuff might not be relevant if I don’t use ambisonics. I think I get the bus thing but if I stay with 7.1 it will work in logic > Hope this helps! > > Cheers > > Jack > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello >> I need some advice! >> >> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: >> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ >> <https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project could >> be the one using ambisonics!… >> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot lately, and >> demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff to >> binaural. >> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. I did >> that a while back and it sounded very cool. >> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I can get >> my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >> >> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I do most >> of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the exhibition >> opens in less than three months…so digging deep into another DAW is >> difficult. >> >> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use standard >> technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some sourround >> configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every sound as a part >> of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I started out working this >> way because I was asked to do 3 compositions/sounddesign playing in the same >> room - (please read the article from asoundeffect). >> >> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker placement. >> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is what >> want to do: >> >> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related to the >> speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other circles. I >> want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >> >> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up >> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign will >> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of the >> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will >> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be
[Sursound] (a little )help needed for ambisonics museum project
e session…in logic. I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for some odd stuff. So - what do you recommend? And what do see as problems/issues? I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says: Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does far more weird stuff than this :-) I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/e3c21b73/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/e3c21b73/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Numinous3D headphone disco
Very cool. > Den 3. nov. 2017 kl. 12.58 skrev Oliver Larkin <olilar...@googlemail.com>: > > Dear surr-sounders, > > Please check out a website I made numinous3d.com <http://numinous3d.com/> > where I have done a 3D mix of a friend's track (which is currently in the top > 10 on beatport.com <http://beatport.com/> psychedelic trance section**). The > website is and interactive VR experience which transports you to the SPIRAL > studio at the University of Huddersfield, UK where I mixed the piece in HOA. > It includes some fascinating visualisation of the HOA soundfield done with > Blue Ripple Sound’s O3A Flare (thanks Richard!). Be warned that the website > is a bit slow to load and works best on desktop chrome/firefox (recent > version). it does work for me with my iphone and google cardboard when I have > a decent internet connection*. It also works well on desktop windows with the > HTC Vive in Firefox. On the website you will hear a two channel binaural mix > that I have done by re-recording different elements of the HOA mix in the > Applied Psychoacoustics Lab (APL) listening room using a Neumann KU100 dummy > head, and mixing that with direct sound (kick & bass) and 5OA decoded to > binaural, where the room impression from the KU100 didn't work. > > You can also listen to that binaural mix on soundcloud: > https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix > <https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix> > > I've uploaded a 360 video version to both facebook and youtube, which both > use head tracked binauralisers. There I am a bit less in control of the mix. > It's interesting how different the bass and spatialisation sounds on facebook > (where I've uploaded 2nd order Ambix audio) versus youtube (where I've > uploaded 1st order Ambix audio) > > Youtube 360 version: http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k <http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k> > > Facebook 360 version: http://goo.gl/9kZG5V <http://goo.gl/9kZG5V> > > If anyone would like the high quality, uncompressed versions of the binaural > mix or 1OA -> 5OA files to play in your studio please contact me directly. > > I'm very interested to hear your feedback on this. If you “like” it please do > click the button on facebook / soundcloud / youtube! > > best regards, > > Oli Larkin > > www.olilarkin.co.uk <http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/> > > > * the music is 8 minutes long and is supplied as stereo track in a webm/mp4 > video file. the video file is ~20 mb (webm) / ~40mb (mp4) . Originally I > wanted to include options to render head tracked binaural on the website > using omnitone.js, but I wasn’t able to implement that at this stage. What I > really should do is do the visualisation as a shader thus losing the video, > and meaning that 8 minutes of 16 channel TOA is reasonable. > > ** https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630 > <https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20171103/e776702e/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20171105/69931917/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20171105/69931917/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] How to find best fit of SOFA files from CIPRIC?
I’ m in too iPhone 6s+)Filled out the form on your site too Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer & Producer soerenbendixen.com > Den 6. okt. 2017 kl. 16.47 skrev Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com>: > > So would I! > > Android please :) > Filled out the form on your site too. > > Best > > Steve >> On 6 Oct 2017, at 14:37, Antti Vanne <antti.va...@ownsurround.com> wrote: >> >> Would you be interested trying out our mobile phone scanning, see e.g. >> https://medium.com/@nahkiz/the-holy-grail-in-audio-and-how-we-found-it-c3e55ccdf37a >> >>> On Oct 6, 2017 16:26, "Bo-Erik Sandholm" <bosses...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am looking for information on how to find the best fit from public/Free >>> SOFA databases. >>> >>> I think one criteria could be the inter ear distance? >>> How would I for example find the best fit in the CIPRIC SOFA database for >>> my headwith. >>> >>> I do not really want to test all available SOFA files by listening with >>> them. >>> >>> And for me the process of getting a personal SOFA seems still to be too >>> expensive or at least hard to do. >>> >>> Bo-Erik >>> Stockholm Sweden >>> -- next part -- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ >>> attachments/20171006/42573cb9/attachment.html> >>> ___ >>> Sursound mailing list >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >>> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20171006/0072e71d/attachment.html> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit >> account or options, view archives and so on. > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Binaural Dr. Who
cool > Den 11. maj 2017 kl. 21.55 skrev Michael Dunn <m...@cantares.on.ca>: > > <http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/140920-doctor-who-knock-knock-episode-offers-spooky-binaural-soundtrack-that-will-freak-you-out> > > > > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com Facebook Soundcloud -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170511/1ea283ac/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61248 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170511/1ea283ac/attachment.jpg> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] wireless speaker/transmission recommendations
If you are looking for a soundcard that gives you almost endless possibilities I have made a few large project for exhibitions (at Moesgaard Museum, Denmark) and can recommend RME soundcards (fireface 2) with the included routing system Totalmix. It works. I´m not associated with the company. You can read about my work here: http://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/?utm_source=sme_medium=twitter_campaign=sme_share <http://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/?utm_source=sme_medium=twitter_campaign=sme_share> Regards Søren Bendixen > Den 16. nov. 2016 kl. 21.57 skrev jim moses <jmo...@brown.edu>: > > Hi, > I'm looking for suggestions for an installation project. I need to transmit > multi-channel audio to up to 10 loudspeakers. The distances are pretty > short but I'm looking for a system with flexible routing. > > Thanks, > Jim > > -- > Jim Moses > Technical Director/Lecturer > Brown University Music Department and M.E.M.E. (Multimedia and Electronic > Music Experiments) > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20161116/fefa1f0d/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Sound Designer/Producer Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, At Moesgaard Museum Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com <http://soerenbendixen.com/> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/pages/S%C3%B8ren-Bendixen/187054771374939> Soundcloud <https://soundcloud.com/you/sets> Buy the soundtrack “The First Emperor - China´s Terracotta Army > on cd <http://soerenbendixen.com/shop.ehtml> > Digital Download > <https://itunes.apple.com/dk/album/first-emperor-chinas-terracotta/id1029519718?l=da> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20161116/646fa533/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Small multichannel speakers setup
A few years back I searched for new monitors - found PSI audio - and now I´m an ambassador of the brand. But no salesspeech - I bought the A17 - m for studio use but they also have the A14 - m for smaller needs. The A17 - m is the best, most neutral monitor I ever had (used to ADAM - all kinds from A5 to s3A, and genelec (the smaller ones), Tannoy (in exhibition - the new ones...), JBl (the old ones..), B, Yamaha, Digidesign RM2 It is expensive, at least in Denmark (my country), but just excellent. Not waterproof though.. http://www.psiaudio.com/en/ regards Søren Bendixen 2016-05-12 21:19 GMT+02:00 Emanuele Costantini <lamacchiaco...@yahoo.it>: > Hello everyone, > > due to the lack of space in modern houses, I am in need to look for small > speakers to get on with my multichannel projects, here at home and ideally > to bring them with me in small spaces to playback my works. > For my stereo projects I have been using Bose ComputerMonitor: > > > https://www.bose.co.uk/GB/en/home-and-personal-audio/speakers/stereo/computer-musicmonitor/ > > and I have been able to deliver final mixes matching bigger systems, or > needing small adjustments. Ideally I would like to expand that system but I > find annoying they use specific connectors and they work in couple, so > connecting it from my RME ADI8 it would be a bit of a trick to do also > because I will need an odd number of those (5 or 7 ?) > I've been scouting on the internet and I've seen few options. > I am intrigued by the JBL LSR305 > > > http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/recording-broadcast/3-series/lsr305#.VzTQ5mbtZE4 > > being that brand the standard for cinema sound and that industry being my > main income, I quite like to get that way, but despite being quite small > they are still a bit big and heavy, unfortunately. > I found the Fostex PM03.d and PM 04.d > > > http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/PM0.4d.shtml#content-3-tab-tab > > Which are smaller and lighter, but the specifics are not that great, the > 04.d are better though. > Adam F5: > > http://www.adam-audio.com/en/pro-audio/products/f5/technical-data > > They look like the best of the range. Obviously to deliver those > characteristics they have to be heavy, a bit too much and not that small. > A friend of mine has a stereo system of MAudio AV42: > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/view/av42#.VzSSzWbtZE4 > > Which doesn't sound bad at all even if they are working in couple they > have more standard connections, so I could do my own extensions. > In that case I've been looking at the bigger brothers MAudio BX5 D2, > slighlty bigger and heavier: > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/view/bx5-d2#.VzSUrWbtZE4 > > I am wondering if anyone has an hint to suggest or other brands/model to > consider or was surpises by the sound of smaller systems, Bose docet, > like... ehm logitech? ;-) > :-) > > Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions. > > Emanuele > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160514/f8bdef87/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Using Apple Logic X for ambisonics
Thank you Steve I´ll look into it. Regards Søren Bendixen > Den 12. mar. 2016 kl. 22.42 skrev Steven Boardman <boardroomout...@gmail.com>: > > The best way i have found is to bus everything out to another app like > Reaper. This way you can pretty much use any DAW. > You can either use soundflower, jack, osx core audio networking or similar > to pipe it out within the same machine. Using core midi for sync and even > automation of reaper plugs. > I personally use two different machines and a load of adat light pipe > interfaces. With midi via ethernet, and sync via midi, smpte or vitc. One > machine does standard mixing and sequencing (pro tools, logic and ableton), > while the other takes care of spatialisation and decoding (reaper). I > operate both machines from the same machine via remote desk top/screen > sharing. On two touch sensitive screens. > It works well and is extremely flexible. > I have various decodes set up on folder tracks in reaper that allow me > bounce loads of different channel counts. I also have various input > channels set up to process different channel counts live. This helps to > getting up and running fast. > > I hope this helps. > > All the best > > Steve. > On 12 Mar 2016 7:48 pm, "Søren Bendixen" <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you have any experience with ambisonic/bformat files and logic to share > please do so - I´m working in 7.1 (3/4.1) for a major project and wanted to > decode to 7.1. > Sound field limited will not show up in 7.1 (3/4.1) but only in 7-1 (SDDS) > (and also “lower” formats) > Harpex B works excellent in 5.1 but to my ears not i 7.1 > All the VST´s is no go (I don´t have vst to au adapter) > > I´m still a newbie re. ambisonic/Bformat but it seems and sounds very > promising. > > Regards > Søren Bendixen >> Den 12. mar. 2016 kl. 18.26 skrev Courville, Daniel < > courville.dan...@uqam.ca>: >> >> S?ren Bendixen wrote : >> >>> It does?t work with Logic Pro X - but almost none of the all the plugins >>> for decoding/converting ambisonics works in logic - or the work with >>> limitations, odd behavior or only fine up to 5.1. For other DAW?s Ambi >>> Head seems like a cool plug in >> >> It does work in Logic Pro X 10.2.2. >> >> I selected "Quadraphonic" as the surround format for the LPX project and > I dragged a quad file in the audio track: without a quad file in the track, > the track will stay mono and the Ambi Head plug-in won't be available as an > insert. >> >> - Daniel >> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > Med venlig hilsen/Best regards > > Søren Bendixen > Composer/Producer/Sound Designer > > Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag > soerenbendi...@gmail.com > +45 60624394 > www.soerenbendixen.com <http://soerenbendixen.com/> > Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/pages/S%C3%B8ren-Bendixen/187054771374939 >> > Soundcloud <https://soundcloud.com/you/sets> > > Buy the soundtrack “The First Emperor - China´s Terracotta Army >> on cd <http://soerenbendixen.com/shop.ehtml> > >> Digital Download < > https://itunes.apple.com/dk/album/first-emperor-chinas-terracotta/id1029519718?l=da >> > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160312/b3ba0077/attachment.html >> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > ------ next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160312/340a85df/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Producer/Sound Designer Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com <http://soerenbendixen.com/> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/pages/S%C3%B8ren-Bendixen/187054771374939> Soundcloud <https://soundcloud.com/you/sets> Bu
Re: [Sursound] Ambi Head
If you have any experience with ambisonic/bformat files and logic to share please do so - I´m working in 7.1 (3/4.1) for a major project and wanted to decode to 7.1. Sound field limited will not show up in 7.1 (3/4.1) but only in 7-1 (SDDS) (and also “lower” formats) Harpex B works excellent in 5.1 but to my ears not i 7.1 All the VST´s is no go (I don´t have vst to au adapter) I´m still a newbie re. ambisonic/Bformat but it seems and sounds very promising. Regards Søren Bendixen > Den 12. mar. 2016 kl. 18.26 skrev Courville, Daniel > <courville.dan...@uqam.ca>: > > S?ren Bendixen wrote : > >> It does?t work with Logic Pro X - but almost none of the all the plugins >> for decoding/converting ambisonics works in logic - or the work with >> limitations, odd behavior or only fine up to 5.1. For other DAW?s Ambi >> Head seems like a cool plug in > > It does work in Logic Pro X 10.2.2. > > I selected "Quadraphonic" as the surround format for the LPX project and I > dragged a quad file in the audio track: without a quad file in the track, the > track will stay mono and the Ambi Head plug-in won't be available as an > insert. > > - Daniel > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Producer/Sound Designer Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com <http://soerenbendixen.com/> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/pages/S%C3%B8ren-Bendixen/187054771374939> Soundcloud <https://soundcloud.com/you/sets> Buy the soundtrack “The First Emperor - China´s Terracotta Army > on cd <http://soerenbendixen.com/shop.ehtml> > Digital Download > <https://itunes.apple.com/dk/album/first-emperor-chinas-terracotta/id1029519718?l=da> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160312/b3ba0077/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Sursound Digest, Vol 92, Issue 11
cool - I stand corrected - I haven´t managed to get the plug in to show up i logic, although validated. Charles fromt the company did´t managed either :-) But yes - in quad with a quadfile it shows up (also in Pro Logic - LCRS) Regards Søren > Den 12. mar. 2016 kl. 18.22 skrev Courville, Daniel > <courville.dan...@uqam.ca>: > > S?ren Bendixen wrote : > >> It does?t work with Logic Pro X - but almost none of the all the plugins >> for decoding/converting ambisonics works in logic - or the work with >> limitations, odd behavior or only fine up to 5.1. For other DAW?s Ambi >> Head seems like a cool plug in > > It does work in Logic Pro X 10.2.2. > > I selected "Quadraphonic" as the surround format for the LPX project and I > dragged a quad file in the audio track: without a quad file in the track, the > track will stay mono and the Ambi Head plug-in won't be available as an > insert. > > - Daniel > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Søren Bendixen Composer/Producer/Sound Designer Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag soerenbendi...@gmail.com +45 60624394 www.soerenbendixen.com <http://soerenbendixen.com/> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/pages/S%C3%B8ren-Bendixen/187054771374939> Soundcloud <https://soundcloud.com/you/sets> Buy the soundtrack “The First Emperor - China´s Terracotta Army > on cd <http://soerenbendixen.com/shop.ehtml> > Digital Download > <https://itunes.apple.com/dk/album/first-emperor-chinas-terracotta/id1029519718?l=da> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160312/9c5ff213/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambi Head
It does´t work with Logic Pro X - but almost none of the all the plugins for decoding/converting ambisonics works in logic - or the work with limitations, odd behavior or only fine up to 5.1. For other DAW´s Ambi Head seems like a cool plug in Regards Søren Bendixen 2016-03-11 12:00 GMT+01:00 umashankar manthravadi <umasha...@hotmail.com>: > Just downloaded the demo version and will try it. Highly kicked that > brahma is there on their list! > > umashankar > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > From: Jon Honeyball<mailto:j...@jonhoneyball.com> > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 3:59 PM > To: Surround Sound discussion group<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambi Head > > Interesting – much cheaper than the alternative. > > On 10/03/2016, 05:53, "Sursound on behalf of Paul Doornbusch" < > sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu on behalf of paul.doornbu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >Has anyone tried Ambi Head - http://www.noisemakers.fr/ambi-head/ < > http://www.noisemakers.fr/ambi-head/> ? > > > >I’m just curious how well it works if people have tried it. > > > >Thanks, > >Paul > > > >-- next part -- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160310/385e9bfa/attachment.html > > > >-- next part -- > >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >Name: signature.asc > >Type: application/pgp-signature > >Size: 841 bytes > >Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail > >URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160310/385e9bfa/attachment.asc > > > >___ > >Sursound mailing list > >Sursound@music.vt.edu > >https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160311/f7be652f/attachment.html > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160312/2ca13214/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
