[biofuel] Anyone know of a good list for saving energy in the home?
Hi All, It's almost summertime, and for those of us in the Arizona desert that means high energy bills for cooling. I am looking for a good list on how to save energy (mainly to enquire on proper AC control.) If any of you can shed light on my problem, it would be much appreciated: I have a two story home (3,200 sqft) with two central air conditioning units. The unit for the second story is smaller and uses less electricity when in use. I have top-grade insulation and energy efficient windows and doors. I have just purchased two Honeywell programmable thermostats to control the units, and am wondering how to set them. My electric company offers an on-peak, off-peak plan that I am on. Electricity costs 0.165 cents per kWh from 1:00PM to 8:00PM and 0.0369 cents all other times. Therefore, I have set my units to run (for the most part) before and after 1:00-8:00 PM. Basically the house will be cooled to 77 degrees in the off peak hours and allowed to warm to 84 degrees in the on-peak hours. Is this a good plan for efficiency? Can my upstairs unit alone do the job of cooling the house efficiently during on-peak hours? Any ideas? TIA, Ryan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
OK, enough already. I won't make the same mistake again and post MHOs on this list. How any of you can sit there and say you have not directly benefited from the colonization of the land that now makes up the USA is beyond me, but OK. Now, shall we get back to biofuels? Thank you, Ryan -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:41 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war Dermot, The problem is that Ryan is a product of Hollywood history and that he must have slept in school. It is an overwhelming task to answer his short posting, that is so efficient in showing the total lack of knowledge in facts and history. I was about to respond, but discovered that it would take well over 20 pages, to correct only the few statements he did. At the moment, I do not have the energy to respond to a caricature of Americans, it is so many of them that have education and knowledge anyway, so why bother. . Maybe Noam Chomsky would help, but it should be complemented by some basic reading of history books. Hakan At 20:51 15/05/2004, you wrote: Hi Ryan, Where do you get your news/views from? Fox News! I don't know where to start in correcting the inaccuracies in your statements, nor do I have the time. I think the best thing you could do would be to read almost any book by Noam Chomsky (What Uncle Sam Really Wants or Deterring Democracy)about the way America runs the world. Did you never hear of the American overthrow of democratically elected governments in Chile and Guatemala and Iran? Regards Dermot -Original Message- From: Ryan Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 May 2004 09:22 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war Hey Todd et al, let's not make this personal, did you perhaps not see my :)?. I was merely saying that we have all benefited in the long run from the genocide that happened in North America in the past. One cannot judge history by modern standards, that's History 101! America is single-handedly the most innovative populace the world has ever known period. Look around you, the technology our democracy and free markets have produced and continue to produce have saved countless more lives, and provided for even more than were lost in the settling of this land. We are all benefiting from this, our life expectancy is much higher than even two generations ago, and our quality of life is unimaginable to those in the past. Do you like your medicine? Your efficient, convenient way of life? Your entertainment, refrigerator, how about your computer, it's software and the Internet? Have you ever used a phone, or turned on a light, or read a newspaper, or wondered about the mysteries of Space? This country has developed more technology than any other past or present, that we are all benefiting from. Furthermore, who does the world look to for justice in the world? Were it not the Americans who emerged victorious in WWI and WWII saving the world from tyranny and genocide? Did anyone else contribute more to the plight of the South Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Kuwaitis and Saudis, or to the people of Yugoslavia? Who stopped the communists from taking over the world? Has anyone else offered to bail out countless corrupt government after corrupt government, saving people from poverty, without even asking to be re-paid? Do I condone genocide? Of course not. But we, in this day and age, have all benefited from it. That is all I am saying. As for my comments on the need to reduce incentive for stability in the Middle East, I apologize for painting anyone on this list (who did not want to be painted) as working toward reducing dependency on foreign oil, specifically oil from the Middle East. What I meant to say, is that I am working to reduce our dependency on foreign oil so that we as a nation have less of a reason (incentive) to meddle in the affairs of the Middle East. As far as I can tell (and I have never been there) the region is fraught with religious strife, brutality, ignorance, and hatred. In short, most of the countries there seem almost laughably behind the times given their resources, corrupt, and no place to be if you were born with fallopian tubes and a uterus. Islamic law fosters fear, slows progress, and is easily abused by those in power. We are fighting the evil, backward, minority in Iraq for many reasons, oil, hope, and liberation among them. We have attempted to provide them with hope for a brighter future, teach them about democracy and free trade, so that we may watch them prosper, and no one can seem to get past centuries old grudges and hatred toward one another and us. It got so bad, one man ordered the hijacking and crashing of our
[biofuel] Biodiesel moving into Northern CA
http://www.redding.com/redd/nw_local/article/0,2232,REDD_17533_2890112,00.ht ml Biodiesel offers renewable fuel alternative By Alex Breitler, Record Searchlight May 16, 2004 Right now, you'd have to drive to Ukiah, Berkeley or Medford, Ore., to fill up on biodiesel. But if one group of enthusiasts has its way, the vegetable-based alternative fuel might one day flow from pumps here in the north state. The Shasta Energy Group and Redding-based Cross Petroleum are gauging public interest in biodiesel, which supporters say is cleaner for the environment and reduces U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Questions remain about where and when a biodiesel fueling station might be built. The idea is just now sputtering to life. But organizers like the sound of biodiesel, which might be particularly useful in the north state. There are so many diesel-fired furnaces and stoves up here, and half the vehicles on the road are trucks, said Thomas Deerfield of the energy group, based in Mount Shasta. Siskiyou County is probably higher per capita diesel truck ownership than anywhere. Biodiesel is gleaned from soybean oil, corn oil or other crops. The fuel is refined with alcohol and can be used in any old diesel engine, with only a few modifications -- or none at all. It contains no petroleum, but can be blended with regular diesel to make the endeavor more affordable. There are 200 retail pumps nationwide, most of them built in the past two years, according to the nonprofit National Biodiesel Board. Most are in the Midwest. Eighteen are in California, many in the San Francisco Bay area or Southern California. Whether the north state's scattered population would provide enough demand for biodiesel remains to be seen, said Dennis Cross, vice president of Cross Petroleum. Still, he said his company is actively looking at the possibility. For the customers that are environmentally sensitive, it's a good recycling tool, Cross said. I think it's going to be difficult for some customers to justify the cost. John Tannaci and his wife, Kirsten Olson, plan to give biodiesel a whirl this summer while harvesting peaches, cherries, plums, apricots and mixed vegetables on their 20-acre farm near Grenada. The idea of a renewable fuel source -- rather than fossil fuel reliance -- fascinated Tannaci, who's been farming the land for 15 years. They're not making dinosaurs anymore, but you can keep growing soybeans, he said. Plus, his wife said, it's a way for farmers to support other farmers. The couple plans to purchase 270 gallons of biodiesel from an Oregon supplier. It'll cost $2.50 a gallon, compared with about $2.25 a gallon for regular diesel. They won't use pure biodiesel -- it's likely to coagulate in the Siskiyou County cold -- but instead will mix it with standard diesel. The only difference Tannaci expects next month when he fires up his tractors and delivery trucks for the harvest season is exhaust that smells like french fries. As for the north state fueling station, Deerfield said there's enough interest to start an informal co-op, but that commercial biodiesel would require massive amounts of regulatory paperwork. Still, he said the energy group is hoping to attract interest from diesel consumers. I'm sure it's not that far away from catching on, he said. Reporter Alex Breitler can be reached at 225-8344 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
to slaughter and displace the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic ... natives who cannot withstand overwhelming numbers, unimaginable weaponry and devastating disease? Who the hell are you or anyone else to pass such judgement? Wake up for Christ's sake!!! And everyone elses. Standing up for a depraved philosophy that states we are morally compelled by God Almighty to kill weaker people and steal their land is every bit as immoral and depraved as those who swing the sword, obliterate food supplies or intentionally seed blankets with smallpox - or any similar actions. And then you move on and take issue with applications of similar policies of arrogance in the present day? Something sure isn't wound and tensioned properly in your upstairs orbit if you can on the one hand see the insanity of Bush's implementation of Jacksonian policy but still endorse or justify such aberrations in historical context. Somehow you need to get a mental, emotional and even spiritual grip and start understanding that all those dead, maimed and displaced persons from previous generations that you so easily dismiss were as human as you are at this very moment - and judging by your words, perhaps more so in many respects. One can only wonder how you would perceive history if you were a mother or child or infant or weathered elder on the receiving end of a saber or bullet sent from god. What are now ghosts were once brothers and sisters. And neither you nor anyone else has ever possessed the right to wave your hand and state that their murder is or was justified. As for your dismally blind and sweepingly general perspective on how well off the indigenous peoples of the North American continent are today or what the traits of a broadened education are? Whatever it is that you're smoking you need to put it down and take a long walk back into the world of reality. Todd Swearingen --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can add in our defense, is that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited it previously. Yes, you too have benefited from Jackson' s quest, so find a better argument about the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic though culturally rich natives who fell easily to manifest destiny. Their children are being well taken care of, and now have the benefit of electricity, inexpensive housing, internal combustion, oh, and beer. :) Also, we sure picked a loser for a President in 2000, good thing we can kick him out of office in 2004. How many other countries refresh their leadership on such a regular basis? I agree with some who think his entire administration should be behind bars for the atrocities, corruption, and fleecing of not only the American public, but the entire world. I am ashamed to be associated with our false President and his cabinet these days, but proud that I voted for Al Gore, and rightly so...as it turns out. Is Kerry the answer? Maybe, but at least he will choose an entirely different administration and get those crocked-good-for-nothin' Ashcrofts, Rumsfelds, and Cheneys out of positions of power. When push comes to shove, and believe me it has! The American public will do the right thing. In the mean time, we're all [here on this list] are just doing what we can to reduce the need for foreign oil, to take the incentive away from stability in the Middle East. Personally I look forward to the day when the economics of the region make it impossible to inhabit the area, at least on the same scale. Where will all of those people go? Well, they may just have to assimilate elsewhere, obey the law, get a job, and act respectable. Enough of this 2000 year code of Islamic law already, the world awards progress...they'll figure it out. Please note I don't hate Native Americans or Muslim populations in general, I believe all people are generally good, and have gone through the four years of feminist based philosophy that is State-sponsored University here in the US. With that said- Flame away dear friends, Ryan :) -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:57 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war Why not ask the Israelis Ted? No. Wait. They haven't figured out their little problem yet either. Many don't agree with the analogy of Iraq being another Viet Nam. Rather, the comparison to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank is more appropriate - continual attrition, continual hate, continual oppression, continual occupation. But heck. The US has been very good at oppression, occupation and even genocide
RE: [biofuel] Truck spills gallons of used cooking oil
The world's first biodegradable oil spill! No flamingos or alligators were injured, although several were seen waddling away apparently bloated after consuming mass quantities of the French-Fry slick. Unfortunately someone got hurt by sliding into a tree though, I hope she is OK... Ironic that she worked for the Dept. of Agriculture, eh? -Original Message- From: Pat McCotter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] Truck spills gallons of used cooking oil Sorry about the cross-post but had to spread this http://www.ctnow.com/sns-othernews-0506cooking,0,5618895.story OR http://tinyurl.com/2ao9g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Is it gas or diesel powered?
Is this a joke? :) I first drove a 1983 VW Rabbit Diesel LS to 250,000 miles before it finally rusted itself out of order (no small feat in Oregon where there is no salt.) Now I drive a 2002 Golf (Rabbit) TDI and have already put 60,000 miles on it, mostly using biodeisel. How on Earth has this 1985 beauty not been driven? Are you going for the Barett Jackson Auction or something? Wait a minute, I just saw the photo! HA! That was really funny! -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:45 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Is it gas or diesel powered? 1985 Blue Volkswagen Golf for sale. Only 9 miles Only first gear and reverse used Never driven hard Original tires Original brakes Original fuel and oil One owner Wishing to sell due to employment lay-off http://www.terminalbraindrain.com/archives/VWGolfforsale.php Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war
All I can add in our defense, is that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited it previously. Yes, you too have benefited from Jackson' s quest, so find a better argument about the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic though culturally rich natives who fell easily to manifest destiny. Their children are being well taken care of, and now have the benefit of electricity, inexpensive housing, internal combustion, oh, and beer. :) Also, we sure picked a loser for a President in 2000, good thing we can kick him out of office in 2004. How many other countries refresh their leadership on such a regular basis? I agree with some who think his entire administration should be behind bars for the atrocities, corruption, and fleecing of not only the American public, but the entire world. I am ashamed to be associated with our false President and his cabinet these days, but proud that I voted for Al Gore, and rightly so...as it turns out. Is Kerry the answer? Maybe, but at least he will choose an entirely different administration and get those crocked-good-for-nothin' Ashcrofts, Rumsfelds, and Cheneys out of positions of power. When push comes to shove, and believe me it has! The American public will do the right thing. In the mean time, we're all [here on this list] are just doing what we can to reduce the need for foreign oil, to take the incentive away from stability in the Middle East. Personally I look forward to the day when the economics of the region make it impossible to inhabit the area, at least on the same scale. Where will all of those people go? Well, they may just have to assimilate elsewhere, obey the law, get a job, and act respectable. Enough of this 2000 year code of Islamic law already, the world awards progress...they'll figure it out. Please note I don't hate Native Americans or Muslim populations in general, I believe all people are generally good, and have gone through the four years of feminist based philosophy that is State-sponsored University here in the US. With that said- Flame away dear friends, Ryan :) -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:57 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war Why not ask the Israelis Ted? No. Wait. They haven't figured out their little problem yet either. Many don't agree with the analogy of Iraq being another Viet Nam. Rather, the comparison to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank is more appropriate - continual attrition, continual hate, continual oppression, continual occupation. But heck. The US has been very good at oppression, occupation and even genocide throughout its illustrious past. Just ask any American native. And for that? Jackson got his picture on the $20. One very queer country that pays homage to those who are the architects of such sweeping devastation. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ted Dinkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war As the poll states, the majority think this is a bad idea. My question is how do we get out of it? Just quiting and going home would be a worse situation and staying will cost many lives on all sides. Ted Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling of it. As we said the whole time, it were and is a bad idea to unilaterally occupy Iraq. Now finally a majority of the American people seems to agree with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find any majority population of any country in the world, who think that the Iraq occupation was or is a good idea. We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their opinion of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of Natural Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally have transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. The same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of the opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even if they wanted, they cannot meet the growing demand in US and the world. US is not only buying to meet higher demands, but is also buying desperately for filling up their strategic storage reserve, that way pushing prices higher. Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do
[biofuel] Capitol Hearing Gives Ethanol, Biodiesel Boost
Capitol Hearing Gives Ethanol, Biodiesel Boost Washington, DC - May 7, 2004 [SolarAccess.com] Chairman Sam Graves of the House Subcommittee on Rural Enterprises, Agriculture, and Technology held a hearing about the future of renewable energy. Graves held the hearing to provide facts about the progress America has made with renewable energy and the future of the industry. Ethanol and biodiesel are not just the future of America's energy supply, they are cleaner and affordable alternatives today, Graves said. It's a triple play. It's good for the environment. It's good for consumers. And it's good for farmers. Graves cited America's dependence on foreign sources of energy as evidence that a new energy policy that invests in domestic sources of energy be implemented as soon as possible. The House and Senate have passed an energy policy but have yet to work out their differences. Graves stressed that an energy policy is needed to help meet our energy needs while protecting our national security. We can grow much of America's energy needs in Missouri, Graves said. That's why we need a national energy policy that invests more in the domestic production of energy. Breaking our dependence on foreign oil is not only a good energy policy, it is good for our national security. Charlie Hurst is a fifth generation farmer from North West Missouri and secretary treasurer of Golden Triangle Energy Cooperative from Craig, Missouri. He testified about the economic benefits of ethanol. The ability for farmers to impact our energy supply is a big step forward for the farming industry, Mr. Hurst said. The fact that we can take corn we grow in the field and turn it into energy is remarkable. It means more jobs in Missouri and greater financial and national security for America. Investing in ethanol is a way to preserve a way of life for farmers across the Midwest. I hope the government recognizes how important ethanol is to our way of life and invests more in ethanol production. Brooks Hurst, who testified on behalf of the Missouri Soybean Association, is from Tarkio, Missouri. He testified about the benefits of biodiesel. Biodiesel helps keep our environment and the air we breathe clean, said Mr. Hurst. Another major benefit of biodiesel is that it lessens the nation's dependence on foreign oil. Why should we in this nation continue importing fuel from the Middle East when farmers such as myself can grow 100 percent renewable fuel on farms right here in the USA in an environmentally beneficial way? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] DaimlerChrysler India undertaking 5,000km biodiesel test drive
EXCLUSIVE: INDIA: DaimlerChrysler India undertaking 5,000km biodiesel test drive 05 May 2004 Source: just-auto.com editorial team Article Summary: In a joint project with University of Hoehenheim, Germany and Council for Scientific and Industrial research (CSIR), India, DaimlerChrysler has initiated a sustainability study of the usage of bio-diesel, derived from Jatropha vegetable oil, as an automotive fuel. http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=44304 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel stations to expand in Colorado
Article Published: Sunday, April 25, 2004 Biodiesel stations to expand in Colorado Distributor to add 10 sites to Front Range By Kris Hudson Denver Post Staff Writer Post / Craig F. Walker Denver Public Works employee Gene Roybal steps from a truck last week at Denver Wastewater Management Facility on West Third Avenue. Public Works will participate in a pilot biodiesel program. A Fort Collins-based distributor of biodiesel fuel plans to more than triple its distribution sites in Colorado next month. Blue Sun Biodiesel intends to add 10 new stations to the four that now pump its B20 biodiesel, a mixture of 80 percent diesel and 20 percent processed soybean oil. Going from four to 14 is a representation of the kind of people that we have here on the Front Range, said Jeff Probst, president and chief executive of 2 1/2-year-old Blue Sun. Going from diesel fuel to biodiesel takes an investment from drivers willing to pay more at the pump. Blue Sun's expansion comes after the city of Denver announced plans last week to fuel 60 of its Public Works vehicles with biodiesel for the rest of this year. Among Blue Sun's new sites are stations in Boulder, Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Fort Lupton, Fort Collins and in Denver at 5201 York St. Those sites add to Blue Sun's four established sites in Boulder, Fort Morgan, Carbondale and Commerce City. Proponents of biodiesel note that it produces fewer emissions than regular diesel and, in some cases, produces better mileage per gallon. However, it typically costs 15 percent to 20 percent more per gallon than regular diesel. Friday, a gallon of diesel in Colorado averaged $1.87. Up to some point, people are willing to pay extra for a more environmentally friendly product, said Bob McCormick, a senior fuels engineer at the National Renewable Energy Laboratories in Golden. But I don't know how big the market could get. Aside from Denver's Public Works department, other biodiesel users in Colorado include Colorado Springs Utilities, the Regional Transportation District, the city of Boulder, the University of Colorado and Rocky Mountain National Park. Denver Public Schools intends to fuel 100 of its buses with biodiesel. In Denver, Offen Petroleum will convert three commercial pumps and one regular automotive pump at its Sinclair station on York Street to biodiesel in May. It's going to be our sole offering here at the station, Offen managing director Bill Gallagher said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] News from Google: Biodiesel love-in
Biodiesel love-in by Mike Keefe-Feldman Republican Sen. Conrad Burns and Democratic gubernatorial hopeful Brian Schweitzer engaged in a bitter Senate campaign in 2000, but the two politicians came together to sing the praises of vegetable-oil based biodiesel fuel in Missoula on Sat., April 24, during the grand opening of biodiesel pumps at two local Cenex stations÷one on Brooks St., the other on North Reserve. After Burns congratulated Cenex, Schweitzer showed up to say that a biodiesel bill would be the first piece of legislation heâd sign as governor. Jeremy Richter was first in the pump-line, filling up his girlfriendâs silver Jetta with the new B20 biodiesel/regular hybrid fuel. While much of the concern over biodiesel has centered on price (biodiesel in Missoula will cost $2.15/gallon as compared to approximately $1.95/gallon for regular diesel), Richter says he thinks the new fuel may actually be more cost-effective due to biodieselâs increased gas mileage. Richter recounts filling up on biodiesel one day in Seattle, driving around that day and returning to Missoula the next, all on one tank of biodiesel. David Max, vice president of Sustainable Systems, LLC, the company behind the new pumps, says that the cost of biodiesel is also balanced out by studies which have shown that the fuel is easier on an engineâs injector components, meaning less maintenance may be required. The bulldozer that plows snow off Glacier National Parkâs Going to the Sun Road is run on biodiesel, according to Glacier Facility Manager Lou Summerfield, who told those in attendance that his crew currently uses 63 biodiesel-run vehicles. ãWeâve had no problems whatsoever with biodiesel, and tests have shown weâve reduced emissions significantly,ä Summerfield said. ãI didnât have to make any vehicle modifications at all, so all I can tell you is Îgo for it.âä The dayâs only conflict stemmed from the choice of free hot dogs versus soy dogs. When one gentleman noted that the soy variety was going faster, another replied, ãThose are the kind of people who are going to be into this.ä Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] My first tank of B20
Good work, busyditch! Wait until you get that Golf chipped, can you say bio-wheel-spin? :) Ryan P.S. Lucky you, Diesel #2 is $2.19-2.25 and BD100 $3.21 here in Phoenix, AZ right now. -Original Message- From: Busyditch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 4:28 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] My first tank of B20 Well, I have finally found a source for B-D here in North NJ. It is a local fuel oil company who carries 5 gal pails and also 55 gal drums. I bought 3 pails today, with the hope of buying a drum and keeping it in the yard where I work. I put in 3 gallons because it is a 14 gal tank (Golf) and then topped it off. Oh, yeah, while g-ass-oline prices are soaring, I have watched petro diesel come down almost 8 cents per gallon in 2 weeks, (I paid $1.55 US per galllon) The first thing I noticed when I got home is that the exhaust smell is much less notable. So now the Biodiesel sticker in my back window is finaly accurate. Now on to making my own! busyditch Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
I would highly reccomend posting your request to the TDI Club (www.tdiclub.com) They have a good biodiesel forum where, I am sure you will find some folks w/ high miles on SVO. -Original Message- From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:46 PM To: Biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? Hi all, I often get asked how many engines, specifically modern direct injection engines, I know of, that have gone more than the magic number (for some reason) of 100,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers, please...so, let's say over 160,000 km) I know I could spend hours scouring the databases, such as they exist, translating from German sites, etc. etc...but if anyone needs a good research project for academic work, this is one!! Or, if you just want to send me notice of examples of such that you are aware of, please do! Please exclude old Mercedes.I know there are lots of those that have gone that far...I am looking for TDI's, modern trucks, equivalent hours on gensets or tractors (let's see...1600 hours at 100 km/hok, let's say over 1600 hours), etc. I'll compile these as they come in, unless someone out there can set up a self-admin database for us, which would be a heck of a lot easier, and more accessible for all The SVO 100,000 Mile Club Database.anyone up for doing that? We can host it on our server space if need be, I think. Spread the word? Help get it going? Thank you! Edward Beggs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: smartcar
I wonder, will Smart make the little SUV (Smart Urban Vehicle?) weigh in at
6,000 lbs to qualify for the tax write-off? ;)
Ryan
-Original Message-
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:38 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: smartcar
RE: name...Maybe SUV Sport Utlity Vehicle is a name that needs
reclamation anyway...the ones out there now are neither sporty nor
utilitarian.
Edward Beggs
On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 07:51 PM, Brian wrote:
Smart does have plans to start marketing in the US in 2006. They
are designing an SUV for our market, and not planning to market the
fortwo here. Isn't Smart SUV an oxymoron? I'm thinking that the
name of the company says it all when it comes to why they're not
selling in the US. No market for such a product here.
Brian
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 6 May 2004 17:11:34 -0500, you wrote:
Murdoch,
Isn't this partly an issue of Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel not being
commonly available here, yet, the way it is in Europe? If the
fuel
appropriate to how they designed the engine were common,
wouldn't they
be more inclined to sell the vehicle here?
I'm not familiar with the fuel requirements of the Lupo.
However, ULSD is only a few years away in the US, market wide.
Todd Swearingen
I think, by one measure, a few years is probably not that much
time.
A refinery engineer, looking at the costs or difficulties, might
have
a thing or two to tell us about this.
But at the same time, I think this few years has been part of why
we
haven't seen the advent of such cars as the LUPO or many other
affordable promising mileage-oriented excellent New-Diesel-
Technology
vehicles in the U.S.
It could even be used as a pretext to prevent (for awhile)
admitting
the Smart Car. Apparently, though, the diesel fuel in Canada won't
take the engine out of warranty, so I don't know about that.
As I mentioned, with respect to the Smart Car, I think we should
anticipate that devilish pretexts will be used to delay or prevent
admission of something as promising looking as the Smart Car. If
I'm
wrong, then I will be the happiest about this. I am just erring on
the side of assuming that the opposition (for want of a better
way
to put a face to a name) will not discontinue operations because
we've
finally found a promising alternative.
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RE: [biofuel] Re: smartcar
Ha!
-Original Message-
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:59 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: smartcar
Ships with massive Enduro go kart tanks, a 24 lift kit, 33 tires...
and loaded with 3 tons of biodiesel. You never have to buy fuel, for
the life of the car, and they get the writeoff.
And the most amazing part is, the more you drive it, the better the
acceleration and fuel economy become...well, up a pointbut when it
finally runs out of fuel, you just go and get a new one.
;-)
On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 11:47 PM, Ryan Morgan wrote:
I wonder, will Smart make the little SUV (Smart Urban Vehicle?) weigh
in at
6,000 lbs to qualify for the tax write-off? ;)
Ryan
-Original Message-
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:38 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: smartcar
RE: name...Maybe SUV Sport Utlity Vehicle is a name that needs
reclamation anyway...the ones out there now are neither sporty nor
utilitarian.
Edward Beggs
On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 07:51 PM, Brian wrote:
Smart does have plans to start marketing in the US in 2006. They
are designing an SUV for our market, and not planning to market the
fortwo here. Isn't Smart SUV an oxymoron? I'm thinking that the
name of the company says it all when it comes to why they're not
selling in the US. No market for such a product here.
Brian
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 6 May 2004 17:11:34 -0500, you wrote:
Murdoch,
Isn't this partly an issue of Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel not being
commonly available here, yet, the way it is in Europe? If the
fuel
appropriate to how they designed the engine were common,
wouldn't they
be more inclined to sell the vehicle here?
I'm not familiar with the fuel requirements of the Lupo.
However, ULSD is only a few years away in the US, market wide.
Todd Swearingen
I think, by one measure, a few years is probably not that much
time.
A refinery engineer, looking at the costs or difficulties, might
have
a thing or two to tell us about this.
But at the same time, I think this few years has been part of why
we
haven't seen the advent of such cars as the LUPO or many other
affordable promising mileage-oriented excellent New-Diesel-
Technology
vehicles in the U.S.
It could even be used as a pretext to prevent (for awhile)
admitting
the Smart Car. Apparently, though, the diesel fuel in Canada won't
take the engine out of warranty, so I don't know about that.
As I mentioned, with respect to the Smart Car, I think we should
anticipate that devilish pretexts will be used to delay or prevent
admission of something as promising looking as the Smart Car. If
I'm
wrong, then I will be the happiest about this. I am just erring on
the side of assuming that the opposition (for want of a better
way
to put a face to a name) will not discontinue operations because
we've
finally found a promising alternative.
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RE: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems
[GIS is]Powerful stuff. I first saw that in action about 12 years ago when a very bright young Australian guy showed me what it was capable of, at Friends of the Earth International's hq in London. Very impressive! Moved on a lot since then eh? Yes it has, you need any bio data mapped, you let me know. In the mean time, those of you in the US may find our website interesting: www.aerials-express.com Type an address in and see the building from the air. I think it sounds brilliant! Where's the catch? No catch? Short of evil aliens taking out a satellite or two while invading? No catch, though the price for a navigation system (built in to the vehicle) is around $3,000.00. For anyone interested, a Garmin I-Que PDA ($500.00) will do the same thing. Saludos, Ryan From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 5:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems Hi Ryan Here's a brain storm for you: I work in GIS, for those of you who aren't yet familiar with that, it stands for Geographic Information Systems. Powerful stuff. I first saw that in action about 12 years ago when a very bright young Australian guy showed me what it was capable of, at Friends of the Earth International's hq in London. Very impressive! Moved on a lot since then eh? Essentially I make maps and use things like aerial photography and GPS to do so. Hanging out at my local map store on a Friday evening (what a dork) I got to talking with another mapper about his VW TDI and biodiesel. He wasn't too clear on what biodiesel was (he thought it was just filtered SVO) so I started explaining how SVO required two tanks and a switch. I told him how the driver had to start on dino/biodiesel, switch to SVO, and then remember to switch it back before turning the motor off. We both agreed that this was too much to remember for the driving masses, and bingo! It hit me. Why not hook the switch to an in-vehicle navigation system? Believe it or not, this would not be difficult to do. The driver gets in the vehicle, sets a route, and the car knows when it's a quarter mile away from it's destination and switches back to dino/biodiesel automatically. What do you think? I think it sounds brilliant! Where's the catch? No catch? Short of evil aliens taking out a satellite or two while invading? Best Keith Cheers, Ryan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel
Worth a listen, thanks for posting it. Ryan -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 5:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=687 You have to click on the Windows Media Player link. I am unable to make the real player link work, though that may be my setup. Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music, and then the radio show begins. I'm listening to the interview now. I think the person interviewed has a web page here: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems
Here's a brain storm for you: I work in GIS, for those of you who aren't yet familiar with that, it stands for Geographic Information Systems. Essentially I make maps and use things like aerial photography and GPS to do so. Hanging out at my local map store on a Friday evening (what a dork) I got to talking with another mapper about his VW TDI and biodiesel. He wasn't too clear on what biodiesel was (he thought it was just filtered SVO) so I started explaining how SVO required two tanks and a switch. I told him how the driver had to start on dino/biodiesel, switch to SVO, and then remember to switch it back before turning the motor off. We both agreed that this was too much to remember for the driving masses, and bingo! It hit me. Why not hook the switch to an in-vehicle navigation system? Believe it or not, this would not be difficult to do. The driver gets in the vehicle, sets a route, and the car knows when it's a quarter mile away from it's destination and switches back to dino/biodiesel automatically. What do you think? Cheers, Ryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break
Wow, have any of you read his book? Has anyone on the list read it? He has valid points, especially when it comes to risk aversion and the means we go to to save ourselves from miniscule threats. His whole point is that the number one factor that decides how long we will live is whether or not we live in poverty, and makes a great case for how capitalism saves those who participate from poverty. He talks about how government is getting too big in this country, about how much money that gets wasted as they fail time after time after time. He talks about how the private sector can do such a better job than the public sector of saving ourselves from ourselves. He even talks about ADM and their success in squashing competition by using government subsidies on ethanol. I encourage you to give it a read, it may be eye opening, totally changed my view on Nader too. Cheers, Ryan -Original Message- From: jtcava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:25 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break Crap,he sounds alot like Rush Limbaugh. John Appal Energy wrote: Ryan, Speaking only from personal experience, having worked environmental issues for twenty some years, Stossel is a clown. He takes every valid scientific/social/economic argument on an issue that he is in disfavor with, degrades them and particularly those who hold them with open ridicule and belittlement, to the point that those who don't see a subject his way are painted as radical, irratioinal, self-serving alarmists, at least to the uninitiated and unaware. What he boils down to is notthing more than an opportunist pursuing sensationalism and recognition at the expense of all else. Food irradiation? Toxic waste incinerators? Over fishing? Just name a serious subject that can and does adversely affect human health and livlihood and Stossel will attempt to turn it into a joke. His insights are relative? Only from the perspective of sending up a flare as to how far some people/industries will go - how selective and deceptive they will present a matter in order to create an inordinantly distorted perspective in the public eye - mis-information and dis-information practiced as an art form to the detriment of the balance of society. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ryan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break Really, whay do you say that? Did you read his book? Frankly, I'm a little bit surprised by your reaction, Keith. Cheers, Ryan -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:54 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break Stossel's a liar and a cheat, just another industry front-man, close links with the usual suspects, no integrity. Keith Well worth a read, the book clearly describes how, since the 1950s, the US Government has run amock. I read it cover to cover with biodiesel production in mind, and found Stossel's insights relevant to our cause. Below is the book's description: When he hit the airwaves thirty years ago, Stossel helped create a whole new category of news, dedicated to protecting and informing consumers. As a crusading reporter, he chased snake-oil peddlers, rip- off artists, and corporate thieves, winning the applause of his peers. But along the way, he noticed that there was something far more troublesome going on: While the networks screamed about the dangers of exploding BIC lighters and coffeepots, worse risks were ignored. And while reporters were teaming up with lawyers and legislators to stick it to big business, they seldom reported the ways the free market made life better. In Give Me a Break, Stossel explains how ambitious bureaucrats, intellectually lazy reporters, and greedy lawyers make your life worse even as they claim to protect your interests. Taking on such sacred cows as the FDA, the War on Drugs, and scaremongering environmental activists -- and backing up his trademark irreverence with careful reasoning and research -- he shows how the problems that government tries and fails to fix can be solved better by the extraordinary power of the free market. He traces his journey from cub reporter to 20/20 co-anchor, revealing his battles to get his ideas to the public, his struggle to overcome stuttering, and his eventual realization that, for years, much of his reporting missed the point. Stossel
RE: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break
Really, whay do you say that? Did you read his book? Frankly, I'm a little bit surprised by your reaction, Keith. Cheers, Ryan -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:54 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break Stossel's a liar and a cheat, just another industry front-man, close links with the usual suspects, no integrity. Keith Well worth a read, the book clearly describes how, since the 1950s, the US Government has run amock. I read it cover to cover with biodiesel production in mind, and found Stossel's insights relevant to our cause. Below is the book's description: When he hit the airwaves thirty years ago, Stossel helped create a whole new category of news, dedicated to protecting and informing consumers. As a crusading reporter, he chased snake-oil peddlers, rip- off artists, and corporate thieves, winning the applause of his peers. But along the way, he noticed that there was something far more troublesome going on: While the networks screamed about the dangers of exploding BIC lighters and coffeepots, worse risks were ignored. And while reporters were teaming up with lawyers and legislators to stick it to big business, they seldom reported the ways the free market made life better. In Give Me a Break, Stossel explains how ambitious bureaucrats, intellectually lazy reporters, and greedy lawyers make your life worse even as they claim to protect your interests. Taking on such sacred cows as the FDA, the War on Drugs, and scaremongering environmental activists -- and backing up his trademark irreverence with careful reasoning and research -- he shows how the problems that government tries and fails to fix can be solved better by the extraordinary power of the free market. He traces his journey from cub reporter to 20/20 co-anchor, revealing his battles to get his ideas to the public, his struggle to overcome stuttering, and his eventual realization that, for years, much of his reporting missed the point. Stossel concludes the book with a provocative blueprint for change: a simple plan in the spirit of the Founding Fathers to ensure that America remains a place 'where free minds -- and free markets -- make good things happen.' Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] BREAKING NEWS**Massive Oil Spill In Suisun Bay**
Kinder Morgan also lost a pipe here in Arizona causing a gas panic and shortage in the summer of 2003. Many of us in our BioTDIs couldn't help but laugh...a little. You would think they would learn their lesson, wait until Erin Brokovich gets her hands on them... Major Oil Spill Near San Francisco Apr 29, 2004 2:39 pm US/Mountain Emergency response teams were trying to clean up a massive diesel fuel spill from a ruptured pipeline into a wetlands area near Suisun Bay, federal officials said Thursday. Mark Merchant, a spokesman for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, said as much as 1 million gallons could have been spilled. But a state environmental official said the amount could be significantly lower. Officials were still trying to determine how much diesel fuel had spilled. They said the exact amount would not be known until the pipe is fixed and refilled. A 14-inch petroleum pipeline owned by Kinder-Morgan Energy Partners ruptured and spilled into the wetlands of Suisun Marsh, which feeds into San Francisco Bay, Merchant said. State and federal crews specializing in oil spill cleanups were at the scene Thursday about 25 miles northeast of San Francisco. About 50 people from the Coast Guard, the state Department of Fish and Game, Solano County and the EPA were assessing the damage and cleaning up the spill. Kinder Morgan noticed a drop in pipeline pressure around 6 p.m. Tuesday night and shut down that section of the pipeline, said Dana Michaels, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Fish and Game. State and federal agencies were notified of the spill Wednesday. Authorities were trying to determine the extent of the damage, but said diesel fuel had spread over an area of 300 yards in the marsh, Michaels said. -Original Message- From: Ryan Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] BREAKING NEWS**Massive Oil Spill In Suisun Bay** Massive Oil Spill In Suisun Bay POSTED: 12:50 pm PDT April 29, 2004 UPDATED: 12:57 pm PDT April 29, 2004 FAIRFIELD, Calif. -- Emergency response teams are trying to clean up as much as 1 million gallons of diesel fuel that spilled into Suisun Bay from a ruptured pipeline, federal officials said Thursday. A 14-inch petroleum pipeline owned by Kinder-Morgan ruptured Wednesday and spilled diesel fuel into the wetlands of Suisun Bay, which feeds into San Francisco Bay, said March Merchant, a spokesman for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. State and federal crews specializing in oil spill cleanups were at the scene Thursday about 25 miles northeast of San Francisco. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BREAKING NEWS**Massive Oil Spill In Suisun Bay**
Massive Oil Spill In Suisun Bay POSTED: 12:50 pm PDT April 29, 2004 UPDATED: 12:57 pm PDT April 29, 2004 FAIRFIELD, Calif. -- Emergency response teams are trying to clean up as much as 1 million gallons of diesel fuel that spilled into Suisun Bay from a ruptured pipeline, federal officials said Thursday. A 14-inch petroleum pipeline owned by Kinder-Morgan ruptured Wednesday and spilled diesel fuel into the wetlands of Suisun Bay, which feeds into San Francisco Bay, said March Merchant, a spokesman for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. State and federal crews specializing in oil spill cleanups were at the scene Thursday about 25 miles northeast of San Francisco. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[biofuel] Solar Power in China?
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hello all, Lately I've been hearing rumors of some advanced solar power units being manufactured inexpensively in China. Does anyone know of an article or a genuine research source on this? Thanks in advance, Ryan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
RE: [biofuel] small diesel engines made in US for passenger cars?
I would expect to see the first moves from Chrysler, especially now that they have merged with Mercedes Benz. The Jeep Liberty, for example, will be available soon with a diesel here in the U.S.. Since most of the recent techno-car-babble revolves around hybrids, and Toyota has a clear advantage, I wouldn't be surprised to see Chrysler enter the market with a diesel hybrid. Such a move would undoubtedly make people take notice, especially if such a vehicle could be made to go 80 miles on a gallon...a whopping 30 more than a gasoline hybrid. We can all hope, right? :) Ryan -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:02 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] small diesel engines made in US for passenger cars? We discussed some of the very few diesel options out there available to the U.S. consumers buying passenger cars (such as the VW TDI). As we project some increase in US consumers driving diesels (such as when Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel becomes more available) I was wondering as to how it's going to be accomplished for more manufacturers to offer diesel passenger vehicles. Of the U.S. manufacturers, are there any who have maintained production or any expertise in this area? Even some of their pickup truck diesel capabilities seem to be imported (Isuzu-manufactured engines in GM trucks, or just Isuzu technology contributions?). There do seem to be respectable diesel-pickup truck offerings from various manufacturers. I don't know any of the answers to these matters just wondering a few things. We have discussed that diesel engines were projected into the PNGV prototypes, but those prototypes seem to have been mothballed with such extreme prejudice that I don't know what could be produced within the next few years. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/mk9osC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Volkswagen TDI
Exactly, biodiesel will not void your window clip warranty, or the CD player warranty, but it will void your engine warranty should you make a bad batch of biodiesel and clog your injectors. Cheers, Ryan -Original Message- From: Aaron Ellringer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Volkswagen TDI I also have a 2002 Golf TDI. In the last two months I've had the car into the dealer for warranty work (window regulators and trunk release button poked through). It was fully covered and I've been running 100% biodiesel since I bought the car used (10,000 miles ago). We should be clear. Biodiesel does not void the warranty. My warranty is still entirely valid. If something were to happen in the engine during the warranty period, VW would have to know you were burning biodiesel and make a case that the biodiesel was the cause of the problem. Same goes for crummy petrodiesel. Burn the bean! aaron in wisconsin I have an '02 Golf and I know for a fact that using biodiesel in your VW will void the manufacturer's warranty. Check out www.tdiclub.com for more information. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Volkswagen TDI
I have an '02 Golf and I know for a fact that using biodiesel in your VW will void the manufacturer's warranty. Check out www.tdiclub.com for more information. -Original Message- From: jerelst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:38 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Volkswagen TDI I plan to start making biodiesel, but I'm still not comfortable about placing homemade diesel into the tank for a car I just paid $20,000 for. How many of you have made biodiesel for a Volkswagen TDI on a long-term basis? How many miles have you been doing this? Have you experienced any problems with your engine. Have you experienced any warrantee problems with Wolkswagen of America? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: diesel or hybrid?
Good article, Hakan! You might want to have it proofread though. -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 2:40 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: diesel or hybrid? Rolede, I think that you really pushed the right button here. As I pointed out in my failed bid for the US presidency (do not accept non resident, non American and not born in US candidates, -:)). The Lupo and compatible cars, with biodiesel, is the only way to make a dent in the US oil dependency at 2010. I have also mentioned this in my free 2,000 gallon biodiesel initiative. I have given the American people the key to oil independence, now it is only to make the right choice. I suppose that all news agencies will publish and everybody will read it with interest. -:) For diesel alternative in general see, Diesel engine, as a ready for use energy saving technology. by Hakan Falk at Energy Saving Now. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/dieseltech.shtmlhttp://energy.saving.nu/b iofuels/dieseltech.shtml Hakan At 12:47 AM 9/27/2003, you wrote: While the Prius has much to offer, it is not the most fuel efficient car ouit there. It is easily beaten by the VW Lupo 3L TDI, which has a three cylinder Diesel engine with direct fuel injection and a displacement of 1.2 litres, which produces 45 kW of power. It is called the '3L' because it's official fuel consumption is below three litres per 100 km-94.1 miles per gallon. On a recent trek of 20,6999 miles at an average speed of 53.1 mph, it averaged 118 miles per gallon. The worst it got was 100.9 mpg, and the best was 141.9 mpg. Since this Diesel can be driven on Bio Fuel, it would be low in pollution, while independant of fossil fuel. Diesels if taken care of can do in excess of 400,000 miles. You can also produce your own Bio Fuel for the Lupo- not so for the Prius. VW is working towards a goal of 300 MPG using Diesel technology. By contrast the Prius uses gasoline-(something you can't make, and is a major pollutant, as well as a depleting resourse, of anti-American countries)- as well as electric. Someday, those batteries will have to be replaced, and at a substantial cost to either you- if you keep it that long, or the person you sell it to and it's resale price affected by that replacement cost- eventuality. While it may be noble to support hybrid technology, Diesel technology-which Rudolf Diesel designed and originated as a NON FOSSIL FUEL alternative (and was murdered for it), should deserve just as much -if not more, support. Rolede Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid?
I'm with you on all accounts except for the overall practicallity of the Toyota. You're driving over 25,000 miles a year. Last I heard, the Toyota was only designed to go 100,000 miles before needing an ultra-expensive battery replacement. The diesel, on the other hand, is reliable to between 200,000 and 500,000+ if well taken care of (Mobil Delvac-1 key here.) Also, the first generation Toyotas had problems with their small tires wearing out (around 12,000 miles avg.) so you could be in the tire shop every six months, wearas (get it?) the VW's energy efficinet Michelins go for about 40,000. On the other hand, the Toyota with it's PZEV rating it now shares with California Ford Focuses, is much better for the environment than the VW even if it's running on biodiesel. It comes down to concience vs. practicality. There is no question that both are marvellous alternatives to anything else out there, but how much are you willing to spend for the benefit of your concience? I would suggest the Toyota is perfect for those who have short commutes (drive about half as much as you do) and the VW is a clear winner for those of us who have longer commutes, especially if it's running on biodiesel. That's just my two cents. Ryan -Original Message- From: Thor Skov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:43 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid? I'd like to pose a question to forum. I am considering swapping my 2001 Golf TDI for another car, one that is an automatic rather than a stick. I have to do a lot of driving for my job (about 90 miles a day), and although I prefer stick driving, the clutching is bothering my pelvis and leg. So, I am contemplating getting either a new Jetta TDI wagon (I really like the VWs) or the second generation toyota Prius. The question for me is what type of technology should I support, from the standpoints both of environmental impact and incentives to auto manufacturers. On the one hand, I want to be able to continue to burn biodiesel, which makes up approximately 1/4 of my fuel consumption--more if the proposed subsidy goes through (assuming World Energy drops its prices accordingly and/or the Ferndale plant actually starts producing sometime this decade). Biodiesel has good environmental benefits, gets decent mileage (maybe 45 mpg with the automatic), and is a great conversation item with which to get people thinking about sustainability. Also, there is the option to convert to SVO down the road. I don't have a feel for the extent to which my purchase will encourage VW and other european firms to start selling more high-efficient diesel models in the U.S. On the other hand, the new Prius gets considerably better mileage, and is a SULEV/PZEV. Not being carbon neutral withstanding, it pollutes much less than the TDI. Toyota is far out in front of Detroit (and Europe) in hybrid development, and there is something to be said I think for rewarding that innovation. U.S. automakers haven't even put out a first generation hybrid vehicle and Toyota is already working on its third generation. Any thoughts? thor skov p.s. I'd really prefer a jetcar, if I could get one! = Sentiment without action is the ruin of the soul. --Edward Abbey Grants Manager, Stillaguamish Tribe Of Indians P.O. Box 277 Arlington, WA 98223-0277 Phone: (360) 652-7362 Ext 284 Fax: (360) 435-7689 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA - VWvortex.com
With this delay until 2006 (I guess) for the cleaner diesel fuel, things seem to be moving at a glacial pace. I thought it was 2007, so 2006 would be an advance. -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:50 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA - VWvortex.com Does Nissan make a TD? I didn't know that. I don't think I've seen it here. Maybe that's also related to the fuel? Or just low demand? I don't know. When there are more gas crises here in the states, (prices are pushing back up a little, but not yet enough to be noticed in a crisis sort of definition) folks can't readily turn to biodiesel enough to stir up the ruckus I'd like to see and I think part of the reason is the lack of consumer diesel cars out there. Sure, you have plenty of larger diesel vehicles, but not a lot of smaller diesel cars. Just a theory. I think the Oil companies probably don't mind this. Else, you might see a slight increase in stories such as were coming from Britain, with the State complaining that enough folks were trying biodiesel to cut into fuel-related tax revenues. Im looking forward to that kind of story coming more from the States, so we'll know we're making some progress, but we may have some more time to wait. With this delay until 2006 (I guess) for the cleaner diesel fuel, things seem to be moving at a glacial pace. MM On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:50:57 +0200, you wrote: Hi MM, I want one too and will buy one. I have now an 3 years old Nissan Primera estate TD and my wife a Golf GTI. We were planning to change the Golf (7 years now) to a new Golf TDI. My wife says that I need a larger car, but the truth is that she needs it for her business. Will try to get her to take the Nissan and we buy a Lupo for me. I do not drive that much any longer (20,000 km/year) and mostly short trips and parking in the City. I think I would enjoy a Lupo, acceleration and top speed is close enough to the Nissan. Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA site
Funny, the Mexican version doesn't have side impact beams, for example... Ryan -Original Message- From: Hakan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:45 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA site Ryan, Knowing safety issues in Europe and VW design principles, I doubt that the Lupo is a problem. If it would have been the VW Brazilian GOL, you might have a point. It is more to it. My suspicion is that the TDI Golf is a preferred model and with a relatively small diesel market in US, they will wait for ULSD. All European cars are now covering ULSD and biodiesel mixes, the Japanese also. Ethanol mixes also. If the Lupo is called the 3 liter car, the Golf TDI should be called the 4 liter car. 25% difference in consumption, but still extremely good. If the market for diesels develop like the European market, be sure that the Lupo will be there. Hakan At 08:32 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: I think the Lupo has safety issues, i.e. it doesn't meet the US safety standards. Getting it up to par would probably involve re-tooling and negating the reward for selling in the US. Automakers usually lose money on their cheapest models, they use them as loss leaders to try to build brand loyalty. Why would VW bring over a 500,000+ mile loss leader that needs to be completely re-done to meet our safety standards here? Wait until the Japanese start bringing more diesels over once we switch to ULSD. Cheers! Ryan -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:13 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA site Volkswagen Lupo 3-Liter TDI http://www.LupoUSA.com (or VW Polo) Some excerpts: In Europe they call it the 3-liter car. The Volkswagen Lupo can travel 100 kilometers on three liters of diesel or bio-diesel. This translates to 99 miles per gallon on the highway, 64 in the city. How can I cajole, persuade, beg, or strong-arm VW to sell me one of these? From The VW Lupo USA Guestbook If hybrid sells good here, I don't see any reason 3-L TDI won't sell. C'mon, bring it over! America is supposed to stand for freedom... freedom to choose... I want this choice! Selling the Lupo in North America is an excellent step in promoting good stewardship of the environment. -- give consumers a choice to help fight air pollution. Please bring the Lupo to the States so we can have the ultimate commuting option! PLEASE help the US be a little more efficient with it's limited resources! I want a Lupo! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA site
Thank you for pointing out where Mexico is, I thought it was North, my mistake. -Original Message- From: Hakan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:34 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA site Ryan, No car would be accepted in Europe without sufficient side impact protection and sufficient independent tests to go with it. I have no idea about Mexico and would not judge without proper information. Europe (including Germany, the home of VolksWagen) is East of US, Mexico is South. Hakan At 11:17 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: Funny, the Mexican version doesn't have side impact beams, for example... Ryan -Original Message- From: Hakan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:45 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA site Ryan, Knowing safety issues in Europe and VW design principles, I doubt that the Lupo is a problem. If it would have been the VW Brazilian GOL, you might have a point. It is more to it. My suspicion is that the TDI Golf is a preferred model and with a relatively small diesel market in US, they will wait for ULSD. All European cars are now covering ULSD and biodiesel mixes, the Japanese also. Ethanol mixes also. If the Lupo is called the 3 liter car, the Golf TDI should be called the 4 liter car. 25% difference in consumption, but still extremely good. If the market for diesels develop like the European market, be sure that the Lupo will be there. Hakan At 08:32 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: I think the Lupo has safety issues, i.e. it doesn't meet the US safety standards. Getting it up to par would probably involve re-tooling and negating the reward for selling in the US. Automakers usually lose money on their cheapest models, they use them as loss leaders to try to build brand loyalty. Why would VW bring over a 500,000+ mile loss leader that needs to be completely re-done to meet our safety standards here? Wait until the Japanese start bringing more diesels over once we switch to ULSD. Cheers! Ryan -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:13 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] VW Lupo USA site Volkswagen Lupo 3-Liter TDI http://www.LupoUSA.com (or VW Polo) Some excerpts: In Europe they call it the 3-liter car. The Volkswagen Lupo can travel 100 kilometers on three liters of diesel or bio-diesel. This translates to 99 miles per gallon on the highway, 64 in the city. How can I cajole, persuade, beg, or strong-arm VW to sell me one of these? From The VW Lupo USA Guestbook If hybrid sells good here, I don't see any reason 3-L TDI won't sell. C'mon, bring it over! America is supposed to stand for freedom... freedom to choose... I want this choice! Selling the Lupo in North America is an excellent step in promoting good stewardship of the environment. -- give consumers a choice to help fight air pollution. Please bring the Lupo to the States so we can have the ultimate commuting option! PLEASE help the US be a little more efficient with it's limited resources! I want a Lupo! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Mentioned on Paul Harvey
On my way to lunch today I heard Paul Harvey mention biodiesel along with the following points: Made from ethanol or home-grown soy beans Better than regular diesel for the motor, injectors, and fuel pump Lower emmissions Just thought I'd pass it on! Ryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S./california diesel options
I agree, there are people on the tdiclub.com reporting over 300,000 miles with out a hitch in their VWs. P.S. Diesels will flood the US market once we convert over to ULSD in 2006-2007 -Original Message- From: oscoballoonoffice [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:26 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] U.S./california diesel options This must have been writen by a Toyota Salesman i finde Volkswagen Cars to be reliable and thy hold the Value unlike Japanese Cars - Original Message - From: Sam Clarkson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: Jill meadows [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:58 AM Subject: [biofuel] U.S./california diesel options Hey folks, at the moment the only diesel passenger cars sold in the u.s. are german: Mercedes are cost prohibitive, and VWs are unreliable (consumer reports rates the passat as average reliability, and every other VW ispoor or Bad Volkswagen is through selling cars in california after this year, so every new tdi in the state is going for msrp or more, and most are already sold. Here's a little grassroots organization idea, as there are relatively no decent diesel passenger vehicles or small trucks in the U.S., take ten minutes to call toyota to request that they start importing their diesel engine to the states. it gets over fifty mpg in a camry sized car, and is a low emissions engine. everyone else in the world gets to drive it, why shouldn't we? I just called and said I'd buy a new prius if they sold one as a diesel. someone wrote it down. probably no effect, but if 1000 people did it toyota's comment # is 1800 331 4331 pass this on to your friends who are interested in biofuels. even if you can't afford a new car, they don't know that, and that means five and ten years down the road we will have used reliable cars around. ten minutes. we all know the frustration of trying to find a bio-rig do you really want a full sized truck that might get 20 mpg with the right gearbox? do you really want a 1982 isuzu with 25 miles on it? do you really want your kids in a old VW rabbit? call toyota if you can. thanks, sam Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW
Rumor has it the VW Eurovan is slated for a 6 cylinder TDI and the microbus will hopefully get the same 4 cylinder we are currently enjoying. -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW Wow! This definately gives me a chubby! Wonder if they will bolt up to vw bus bellhousings?! --- Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=43013 VW commits V-10 diesel to U.S. By Dorothee Ostle Automotive News / March 24, 2003 WOLFSBURG, Germany -- Volkswagen AG will introduce its V-10 TDI direct-injection diesel engine in the United States, VW Chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder says. The engine will debut in the VW Touareg SUV in the spring of 2004 and later will be available in the Phaeton luxury sedan. Pischetsrieder says it has not been decided whether the V-8 TDI diesel engine Audi uses in its flagship A8 would be made available in the United States. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save Smiley. Help put Messenger back in the office. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4PqtEC/anyFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW
You can find just about everything at: www.tdiclub.com Cheers! -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:56 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW Would you happen to have any links to the actual motor specifications? I like the little '82 1.6L diesel in my VW pickup. However, a similar motor in a van is a miserable combination! - way too slow for driving on the interstate! As I prepare to give my type IV engine a new home, I am preparing a 3.L Buick gasoline V6 for my '75 Westy - oh how I hope I can keep the project alive to eventually put a diesel in the van. So this new VW is a rather exciting proposition - keeping it all in the same family as it were. Mark --- Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it the VW Eurovan is slated for a 6 cylinder TDI and the microbus will hopefully get the same 4 cylinder we are currently enjoying. -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW Wow! This definately gives me a chubby! Wonder if they will bolt up to vw bus bellhousings?! --- Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=43013 VW commits V-10 diesel to U.S. By Dorothee Ostle Automotive News / March 24, 2003 WOLFSBURG, Germany -- Volkswagen AG will introduce its V-10 TDI direct-injection diesel engine in the United States, VW Chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder says. The engine will debut in the VW Touareg SUV in the spring of 2004 and later will be available in the Phaeton luxury sedan. Pischetsrieder says it has not been decided whether the V-8 TDI diesel engine Audi uses in its flagship A8 would be made available in the United States. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] FYI, North America about to get a 25MPG V-10 Diesel from VW
http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=43013 VW commits V-10 diesel to U.S. By Dorothee Ostle Automotive News / March 24, 2003 WOLFSBURG, Germany -- Volkswagen AG will introduce its V-10 TDI direct-injection diesel engine in the United States, VW Chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder says. The engine will debut in the VW Touareg SUV in the spring of 2004 and later will be available in the Phaeton luxury sedan. Pischetsrieder says it has not been decided whether the V-8 TDI diesel engine Audi uses in its flagship A8 would be made available in the United States. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] diesel cars in the United States?
If you don't want to spend $20,000 for a VW you could wait for the Ford Focus...But as a 2002 Golf TDI owner, it's worth the $20,000 (just get a 5-speed.) Check out www.tdiclub.com if you haven't already, you'll find everything you need to know about the VWs. Good Luck! Ryan -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:49 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel cars in the United States? cars: vw TDI's, mercedes, trucks: gm, for, dodge small trucks: nissan, mazda Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: [biofuel] diesel cars in the United States? Anyone have any recommendations about buying a used diesel, so as to implement biodiesel? My gasoline-powered car has been destroyed as it sat parked at the side of the road by a woman who thought it was important to look down at her new little dog as it distracted her in her Ford F150. I am not asking if anyone has a car for sale, and probably don't realy want to go there, just asking what models I should look under in the auto trader. I'll look at a truck if I have to, but tend toward cars. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] jeep TDI
You'll probably want to relocate the intercooler, I've lost two since last April by running over tire tread in the road. At $500.00 a piece, I'm pretty mad they decided to put it 3 inches above the ground. At least maybe in a Jeep, you might be able to protect it better. -Original Message- From: Crabb, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:17 AM To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [biofuel] jeep TDI does anyone know whether you can stick a vw TDI into a jeep wrangler? I like the wrangler as a no -frills vehicle, but dont really care for getting 16-19 mpg I believe I have seen 80's vintage VW diesels installed in Suzuki sidekicks, with apprx 35 mpg+ or so. The wife is not terribly fond of the Suzuki vehicle, though and would rather attempt a different route. I think there should be more room in the jeep engine bay. thanks for any help. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Ê Was: Per haps many .. but not all
US for me. -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:42 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all Is that an 'imperial' gallon or US gallon? --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:34 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Ê Was: Perhaps many .. but not all I have a manual TDI. I average 45 and do get almost 50 on the highway. I have never gotten more than 50 however. Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so, 50+ is usually only attained by the manual transmission (which is hard to find.) ÊThe automatics get in the low 40s. ÊAlso, to get 50+ even with a manual you have to drive a steady pace below 65 MPH. Check out www.tdiclub.com for more. --Ryan '02 VW Golf TDI 5-speed Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all
Not so, 50+ is usually only attained by the manual transmission (which is hard to find.) The automatics get in the low 40s. Also, to get 50+ even with a manual you have to drive a steady pace below 65 MPH. Check out www.tdiclub.com for more. --Ryan '02 VW Golf TDI 5-speed -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all Depending on the year Jetta TDI, you should be getting over 50mpg. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John E Hayes III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many .. but not all aegent wrote: There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car options that fit my criteria. I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs? I've only had my Jetta TDI for about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3 tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my next fillup to see if that helps. At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm running around $0.0423 per mile. Once I have a few more data points, and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web. John Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] availability
Biodiesel in Sacramento: Olympian/CytoCulture -- 4420 Northgate Blvd; Sacramento CA; (650) 616-3505; public with restrictions - email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/call (530) 265-6980 to get pre-approved for a fueling card. Yes it improves the particulate output and keeps your VW's intake clean. Check out: www.tdiclub.com and welcome to the forum! -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:54 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] availability no retrofit for biodiesel. a retrofit is necessary for svo/wvo. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: jonpierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] availability I just joined this group and have a lot questions: Do any of you know if a refit or configuration is needed to be able to run bio fuel in a VW TDI diesel engine, like in the Golf or the Jetta? Does anyone know of a source to buy bio diesel fuel in the area of Sacramento, California? I've heard that there are companies selling it in the Denver area. What about Northern California? Does using Biodiesel improve on the particulate output of the diesel engine, in comparison to usual diesel fuel? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
Copied from tdiclub.com...another chip option: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showflat.php?Cat=Board=UBB4Number=102802page=0; view=collapsedsb=5o=fpart=1 I have some good news for those people out there that are looking for an alternative solution to the other UnNamed offerings. Digi-Tec, A German based company, is working to bring their products to the United States. I have had the pleasure of working closely with their US distributor to try and address some of the most common issues with the current offerings from other companies. The most common approach that TDI'ers take is to chip their vehicles and/or add larger injectors. I myself have went down the road of chipping, only to remove the chip and go back to the stock program. Why? You may ask? 1) The Drivability of the altered program was of far less quality than the OEM program. 2) Clutch Slippage 3) Smoke, Smoke, Smoke. 4) Surge While most people will say that I am trying to have my cake and eat it too, I prefer to think that the proper amount of RD from the chip maker should make for a very transparent changeover from OEM to Modified. With this being said, I introduce everyone to Digi-Tec. What they have been able to do is nothing less than amazing. On Lito's 2000 TDI with .205's he has rock solid reliability, with NO MORE SMOKE than that of a totally stock 90HP US car. Not to mention the total elimination of surge and as an added bonus his MFA gives the correct Fuel Mileage. Because of the smooth powerband of the Digi-tec Chip, clutch slippage is no-longer an issue. Power is estimated in the 130-140HP range, with real numbers awaiting a trip to the Dyno. All things being said, you have rock-solid reliability and drivability with outstanding performance. Currently, we are working on programs for Stock US 90HP cars, both automatic and manual transmissions, with both stock and upgraded injectors. This project has been over 1 year in the making, but based on the latest tests I feel confident that given enough interest from the community we can at last enjoy OEM reliability with impressive performance. -Original Message- From: Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:05 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears While it's true you can blow your turbo, if you take the appropriate measures to reduce the risk, i.e. don't floor it going uphill, and don't run above 100 MPH for long distances (not that you would ever do that anyway) your turbo should last a long time. Some folks are reporting 150,000 miles+ without any problems. I'm not kidding when I say it feels like twice the power over stock. -Original Message- From: Perry Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:45 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears Yes, but as I understand it, you're just working your turbo harder. Don't know what the long term effects will be, but I decided against the Upsolute when I got some information on how it works its magic. You certainly won't break your car in the short term, it's long term that is uncertain. And note, I only said uncertain. Time will tell; I just decided to let others be the guinea pigs. Some are quite obviously enjoying it... Perry - Original Message - From: Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears I second that, Thor. I also have a VW Golf TDI. You've seen www.tdiclub.com right? Do yourself a favor and go and get an Upsolute chip. My mileage increased, and the car feels like a Porsche. :) Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: Thor Skov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears --- Domenick V. Amato wrote: What is luxo junk to one is comfort and safety to another. The general public votes with its pocket book for SUVs and pickup trucks. Fifty million Americans can't be politically incorrect. Dom Amato Hello Don, By that logic, slavery wasn't bad. Neither was Hitler (I mean, 80 million? Germans can't be wrong). But, Don, you're absolutely correct that the general public does vote for SUVs with their pocketbook. The question is, why? Your implied answer to that question seems to be because they know what's best for them. That's possible. It is also possible that people are duped by advertising, have few fuel efficient automobile choices, and often do not make rational economic choices. I've read (and though I can't provide a reference, I'm sure someone else on this list can) that SUVs are the most profitable cars for automakers, which is why they push them so
RE: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
While it's true you can blow your turbo, if you take the appropriate measures to reduce the risk, i.e. don't floor it going uphill, and don't run above 100 MPH for long distances (not that you would ever do that anyway) your turbo should last a long time. Some folks are reporting 150,000 miles+ without any problems. I'm not kidding when I say it feels like twice the power over stock. -Original Message- From: Perry Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:45 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears Yes, but as I understand it, you're just working your turbo harder. Don't know what the long term effects will be, but I decided against the Upsolute when I got some information on how it works its magic. You certainly won't break your car in the short term, it's long term that is uncertain. And note, I only said uncertain. Time will tell; I just decided to let others be the guinea pigs. Some are quite obviously enjoying it... Perry - Original Message - From: Ryan Morgan, Aerials Express [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears I second that, Thor. I also have a VW Golf TDI. You've seen www.tdiclub.com right? Do yourself a favor and go and get an Upsolute chip. My mileage increased, and the car feels like a Porsche. :) Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: Thor Skov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears --- Domenick V. Amato wrote: What is luxo junk to one is comfort and safety to another. The general public votes with its pocket book for SUVs and pickup trucks. Fifty million Americans can't be politically incorrect. Dom Amato Hello Don, By that logic, slavery wasn't bad. Neither was Hitler (I mean, 80 million? Germans can't be wrong). But, Don, you're absolutely correct that the general public does vote for SUVs with their pocketbook. The question is, why? Your implied answer to that question seems to be because they know what's best for them. That's possible. It is also possible that people are duped by advertising, have few fuel efficient automobile choices, and often do not make rational economic choices. I've read (and though I can't provide a reference, I'm sure someone else on this list can) that SUVs are the most profitable cars for automakers, which is why they push them so hard. It's a fact that SUVs are a loophole around CAFE standards. People have latched onto them, for sure, but don't try to tell me that the SUV phenomenon was not driven to a great degree by advertising. Automakers love to claim that they just build what people want, but they have a strong hand in creating those wants. Fact: automakers didn't want to have to invest in the research to design fuel efficient engines, make the commitment to retool factories. It was easier to take a truck frame and build a car on it. Europeans have fuel efficient cars. Why don't we? When I went to look for a fuel efficient car my choices were incredibly limited - Honda Insight, Honda Civic, Ford Focus, Toyota Prius, Toyota Corolla, and the VW TDI. I opted for the VW Golf because it was cheaper than the Insight and Prius (as well as more available, was the only hatchback, could burn biodiesel, was more comfortable than the Fords, seemed better engineered and had better styling, and was a hatchback. Also, I like the way a european car drives, compared to a japanese. Now, I love my Golf, but I was lucky to find a model that I indeed did like from among the paucity of choices. I honestly think that American values are messed up--people really do love big cars, and small cars with big engines. It's about power power power, and yet there is no place to use this power. People want cars that can go 140 mph, but will never drive them faster than half that. Doesn't seem rational to me. I remember longing for a Toyota SR5 4WD pickup when I was in high school (just like the one in Back to the Future), but hey, I GREW UP! Fact: SUVs are not the safest cars out there; minivans are, and they have more room, get better mileage, and cost less than SUVs. But minivans are not cool which tells me that people are thinking about styling and image (the advertising influence) and not about economics or practicality. Also, most people are bent on ownership versus receiving a flow of services from an automobile. Let me explain. I live in Seattle, where it seems that every other vehicle is an SUV or a truck. People insist they need a 4wd vehicle. But we have mild winters, with little snow to speak of, and the one time a year it does snow you stay at home since Seattle
RE: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
I second that, Thor. I also have a VW Golf TDI. You've seen www.tdiclub.com right? Do yourself a favor and go and get an Upsolute chip. My mileage increased, and the car feels like a Porsche. :) Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: Thor Skov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears --- Domenick V. Amato wrote: What is luxo junk to one is comfort and safety to another. The general public votes with its pocket book for SUVs and pickup trucks. Fifty million Americans can't be politically incorrect. Dom Amato Hello Don, By that logic, slavery wasn't bad. Neither was Hitler (I mean, 80 million? Germans can't be wrong). But, Don, you're absolutely correct that the general public does vote for SUVs with their pocketbook. The question is, why? Your implied answer to that question seems to be because they know what's best for them. That's possible. It is also possible that people are duped by advertising, have few fuel efficient automobile choices, and often do not make rational economic choices. I've read (and though I can't provide a reference, I'm sure someone else on this list can) that SUVs are the most profitable cars for automakers, which is why they push them so hard. It's a fact that SUVs are a loophole around CAFE standards. People have latched onto them, for sure, but don't try to tell me that the SUV phenomenon was not driven to a great degree by advertising. Automakers love to claim that they just build what people want, but they have a strong hand in creating those wants. Fact: automakers didn't want to have to invest in the research to design fuel efficient engines, make the commitment to retool factories. It was easier to take a truck frame and build a car on it. Europeans have fuel efficient cars. Why don't we? When I went to look for a fuel efficient car my choices were incredibly limited - Honda Insight, Honda Civic, Ford Focus, Toyota Prius, Toyota Corolla, and the VW TDI. I opted for the VW Golf because it was cheaper than the Insight and Prius (as well as more available, was the only hatchback, could burn biodiesel, was more comfortable than the Fords, seemed better engineered and had better styling, and was a hatchback. Also, I like the way a european car drives, compared to a japanese. Now, I love my Golf, but I was lucky to find a model that I indeed did like from among the paucity of choices. I honestly think that American values are messed up--people really do love big cars, and small cars with big engines. It's about power power power, and yet there is no place to use this power. People want cars that can go 140 mph, but will never drive them faster than half that. Doesn't seem rational to me. I remember longing for a Toyota SR5 4WD pickup when I was in high school (just like the one in Back to the Future), but hey, I GREW UP! Fact: SUVs are not the safest cars out there; minivans are, and they have more room, get better mileage, and cost less than SUVs. But minivans are not cool which tells me that people are thinking about styling and image (the advertising influence) and not about economics or practicality. Also, most people are bent on ownership versus receiving a flow of services from an automobile. Let me explain. I live in Seattle, where it seems that every other vehicle is an SUV or a truck. People insist they need a 4wd vehicle. But we have mild winters, with little snow to speak of, and the one time a year it does snow you stay at home since Seattle is full of hills and people here don't know how to drive in snow anyway. So 2 inches shuts everything down. Now a lot of people I know who own SUVs claim that they need them to go to the mountains, to go skiing, etc etc. However, most ski areas you can get to just fine with a front wheel drive car. And who's really going to take a $55,000 Escalade or Navigator or Mercedes off-road? But let's assume that they do indeed go somewhere where an *only* an SUV can go. How often is that? 2, 3 times a year at most? So they purchase an SUV ostensibly for those rare occasions, and the other 355 days they commute in a gas guzzling behemoth. If instead they had an efficient car for their daily needs, they could take all that money they save in capital and operating costs (licensing, fuel, insurance) and rent an SUV for the few times they need it, and have cash left over. Would you go out and buy a dumptruck if you needed to haul a load of dirt, and then drive it to work every day? But, people are taught by advertising and by example to think in terms of ownership, not in flows of services. I know that cars are (unfortunately) part of the american persona and american psyche. And the American dream and the american myth. But just because a lot of people buy SUVs does not mean that they are making a good choice, nor that SUVs are the best
RE: [biofuel] US News and World Report: Cover Story
Interestingly enough your website may have contributed to this article in a round about way. About a month ago, US News asked for reader reaction to the question, What would Jesus drive? I couldn't resist and sent in a letter that was later published on their website. I closed with a reference to your website, pointing anyone who was interested in learning more about biodiesel there. I bet they used your website in their research. Reader's letters can be read here: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/world/letters/suv1.htm Keep up the good work! Ryan -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] US News and World Report: Cover Story Thanks Ryan - very good: If George Bush had pointed to the wreck of the World Trade Center, and said, `We must correct this problem,' and the only way is by raising the cost of gasoline on a phased-in basis, it would have worked, he says. It was the golden opportunity missed. Yea, verily. Keith http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030217/biztech/17oil.htm Living Without Oil As war looms, the search for new energy alternatives is all the more urgent Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] US News and World Report: Cover Story
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030217/biztech/17oil.htm Living Without Oil As war looms, the search for new energy alternatives is all the more urgent By Marianne Lavelle Grant Goodman wanted to do his part to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. So two years ago, the Phoenix concrete producer began using biodiesel--made from refined soybean oil--to fuel his fleet of 130 diesel-powered cement mixers and excavators. For his efforts, Goodman in 2001 won a local entrepreneur of the year award and plaudits from the Environmental Protection Agency. But protecting the Earth was not Goodman's only concern. Let's start with national security--the billions and billions we waste dancing around the issue, protecting those pipelines, invading Iraq, doing whatever else we're doing in the Middle East. It all gets down to continuing the flow of oil to this country. Goodman's stance hasn't been easy. Biodiesel fuel sold for 70 cents per gallon more than regular diesel fuel, giving competitors of his Rockland Materials a decided edge. It cost me a few hundred grand, says Goodman. Those harsh economics forced him last year to resort to a petroleum mix including 40 percent or less of biodiesel. But don't count him out. He plans to build his own soybean oil refinery this year to help him return to 100 percent biodiesel. Goodman has urged other local businesses to make the switch, but as long as petroleum is cheaper, he says, I'm this guy screaming in the wind. Sure, in theory, everyone agrees the nation should break its 20 million-barrel-a-day oil habit, 58 percent of it imported. Last week, President Bush noted that sometimes we import from countries that don't particularly like us. It jeopardizes our national security. Antiwar protesters, who argue that Iraq's massive oil reserves have made it a U.S. target, use sharper rhetoric. No blood for oil! they shouted at demonstrations at gasoline stations around the country last week. At the other end of the political spectrum, Martin Feldstein, who headed former President Reagan's panel of economic advisers, has argued that the United States should set a goal of complete oil independence by the year 2020. Otherwise, we will continue to be hostage to the policies of the current and future rulers of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, and their neighbors. And indeed, the jitters of potential war in the Middle East and political upheaval in Venezuela, the nation's fourth-largest oil supplier, have pushed up the price of gasoline for eight consecutive weeks. If global events turn awry, an oil price shock could, as has happened repeatedly in the past, tip the struggling economy back into recession. Within reach. But has anyone found a reasonable alternative to the black gold that fuels the U.S. economy? Some answers seem tantalizingly close, especially for transportation, which consumes the vast majority of our oil. Hundreds of truck fleets and bus systems already run on two diesel-fuel alternatives, biodiesel and natural gas. Meanwhile, biotechnology has made it possible to extract fuels from farm products like corn husks, long discarded as waste. And, of course, there are the many recent advances in the harnessing of energy from the world's most abundant element, hydrogen--the science for which Bush pledged $1.2 billion support in his State of the Union message. But much more money and an even broader government commitment will be needed to reverse the current U.S. trajectory toward greater oil addiction. After all, largely because of the popularity of gas-guzzling sport utility vehicles, the average fuel economy of the 2003 fleet of cars sank 6 percent below the peak set 15 years ago. Critics say that until the new technology is ready to help the nation kick the oil habit, the Bush administration should focus on breaking the addiction step by step. Fuel-economy regulations, they argue, could force greater use of the breakthrough hybrid gas-electric engine and other lesser-known innovations that can squeeze more miles out of every gallon of gasoline. Japan's government, for example, vows to put 10 million ecofriendly cars on its roads by 2010, a number it hopes will include not only 50,000 hydrogen fuel cell cars but also natural gas vehicles, electric autos, and hybrids. Japan's auto industry views that as an attainable goal, given the tax incentives and subsidies that support it. Stephen Tang, president of Millennium Cell, an Eatontown, N.J., firm that has developed a hydrogen fueling system, is hopeful that a similar commitment will catch fire here. If we can get the oil man to say the word `hydrogen,' that's significant progress, says Tang. In his so-called FreedomFUEL initiative, the president zeroed in on what is unquestionably the most promising alternative fuel. Hydrogen is everywhere, and when used to power a special battery called a fuel cell, its only waste product is water. It's an alluring option, but slippery. Hydrogen is extremely difficult to harness, store,
RE: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles
The following may interest you... Excerpt from: http://www.eru.uregina.ca/kybettbd/chem207/Chem%20207%20More%20efficient%20c ars.html Someone (A French racing car driver I believe) announced, at a conference in South Africa in 1999, that he had designed a car ( the MDI-TOP) that ran on pressurized air. Air tanks, like those used by scuba divers, were filled with air under pressure, using an electric pump. The car, as I remember, could then travel for up to 200 km and reasonable speeds and acceleration. It would, of course, emit no CO2 or NOx during use. Polluting gases would have been emitted to produce the electricity required to pump the air. I have no further information, would be pleased if someone can correct my rather vague recollections. Martin, a student in Chem. 207 (2001) has kindly given me a reference to a web site with lots of information about this car: http://globalstewards.org/aircar.htmThe news items on this web site say that Mexico City is going to build 40,000 of them for use as taxi's, starting in 2001. Plans are also underway to build them in the USA and Europe. However there are skeptics who say that they cannot be safe and will not have normal safety features in order to reduce weight (they are very small and lightly built). I think that we will have to wait and see what happens. The above web site says that the cars will use 300L of air at 300 bar ( 4500 psi, see Hydrogen Fuels for a comment of the safety aspects of high pressure gas in cars) My calculations show that this is 11,000 mol of air, which, if all of the energy can be used as it expands to 1 bar pressure, will give 164,000 kJ. This is equivalent to the energy from the combustion of 4L of gasoline( assuming 100% efficiency), or, allowing for the inefficiencies in both the air and gasoline engine, 8L of gasoline. The electricity used to pump the air into the storage tanks is 46 kWh, or, at say 80% efficiency for pumping, 57 kWh. This would cost about $5 at $0.09 cents per kWh, for a 200 km trip. A good compact gasoline engine car, at 4L per 100 km, would use 8L of gasoline, cost about $6. So there is no great savings in cost especially if one allows for the fact that the compact gasoline engine car is larger and safer. There would, of course, be a big saving in pollution in the cities and an overall saving if the air was pumped using a renewable source if energy rather than electricity from fossil fuel plants -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles Mexican government bought 40,000 French Air Taxi and going to be delivered in couple years. We will have to go to Mexico City to try out the Air Taxi. Suggested Retail $14,000(Euro 9500), runs 60MPH, range 120 miles. Charge at station $3 per charge and takes 3 minutes(If we had these infra-structure available) Charge at home with a small electric air compressor takes 4 hours, take 20 KWH of electricity. S.C.Edison is charging 13 cents per KWH, then the cost to charge at home will be $2.60 And spending $2.60 and I can run 120 miles??? This must be a dream? Anyone who knows the price of the small home use air compressor? The price for Air car already included an on-board 5.5KW compressor to compress air into the tanks! Happy to know there are about 50 companies want to buy franchises or manufacturing facilities. Hope more air cars will be available, personally I will like to take the Family 6 seater! Also will see how much they will tax for using AIR, if any! It's not 100% green, unless the energy to compress air comes from biomass/solar or wind. Power plant still using 70% or so fossil oil to generate power! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Intro and question
www.tdiclub.com is the right place for this, there is a classified section where dealers routinely report on their current stock of TDIs. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 9:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Intro and question Hi Y'all, I have been monitoring this list for awhile and although I am totally excited about biofule I must admit that I have never actually done it. I did try to start a car charing organization in Yolo Co CA a few years ago but couldn't get the needed resourses togethernamely people power. Here is my questionI am an auctioneer and work at car auctions for the $$$ (I specialize in benefit auctions). Being such I have friends that are dealers that are happy to buy wholesale for me. Occaionally I see a nice TDI or some other diesel product role by. I often think to my self and say self you should have X buy that for you and then post it on the list here. Would y'all consider that SPAM? Best, Jack Young www.jacksauctions.com 530.219.7900 (voice) 530.795.5536 (fax) Well, folks? Would we consider Jack's offer as SPAM? I have an idea there's a place for this, only I can't remember where it is. Didn't somebody post some such thing (me maybe)? Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] GWBush.com -- Good Bumper Stickers
Hi All, Thought I'd pass this site along in case you still have a spot somewhere between your rear window and your bumper for another sticker. I especially like the one that says: Regieme change starts at home and, I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway. www.gwbush.com Happy motoring! Ryan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] 1% diesel
I seem to remember a report that Chrysler was going to manufacture a Jeep Liberty with a diesel for 2004. Should get between 25-35 MPG at least? Wait until the US dinodiesel catches up with with the rest of the world and we get the good stuff, in 2006 or 2007 (I can't remember which.) I think everyone will introduce a common rail at that point. -Original Message- From: Crabb, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:28 AM To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [biofuel] 1% diesel I think it is because it is extra stinky here, and no one likes to get that stink on their hands.. because you carry that for a while. People are lazy and dont want to put the gloves on.. heh Also, you cant go to every station and get diesel.. so that limits the ability to go driving about late at night. for those that live near interstates.. it could be a reasonable option. Also the sootiness is a turnoff for many people. I guess it is ok to just pour puke that you cant see in a gas car.. but a little soot on hard acceleration is bad in a more fuel efficient car.. go figure. The fact that you can only get a VW jetta etc.. for the common man.. means that servicing is more difficult. not that many VW dealers.. etc. You could get the Mercedes.. but then.. thats more money than most poeple can spend. You *could* get a pickup if you had to have a local model.. but then you are now getting 18mpg. and you sound like the local trash truck. It would be nice if one of the domestics could get a deal with VW and get the diesel option for a motor in a car. I would think that DiamlerChrysler would now have the expertise to transplant one of their diesels locally. a 50mpg Dodge Neon would be a nice selling point. Tricia Liu wrote I was told that the reason only 1% American drives Diesel car is because the Diesel is $1.67/gallon while gasoline is $1.60/gallon. And not available in all gas stations. But in Europe, Diesel is far more cheaper than Gasoline for about how much cheaper? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] More on SUVs
Your Range Rover is tied for the least fuel efficint, most polluting SUV. Congratulations, I hope you don't drive it to work. (Unless you work in the Serengeti.) -Original Message- From: Ken Basterfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:28 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] More on SUVs SUV doesn't mean much to me in dear old Blighty. What are they that cause so much consternation. Is my Range Rover one of these? ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:08 AM Subject: [biofuel] More on SUVs http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/rollover/ frontline: rollover | PBS Rollover - the hidden history of the SUV. They're the most popular vehicle in America. Are they also among the most dengerous? Unsafe on any tire? How safe are SUVs? Should the government do more to protect consumers? An overview of the SUV's hidden history and a look at the politics of auto safety. Before you buy an SUV... Here are a few facts and statistics you ought to consider, including questions and answers on SUVs and safety, and links to current consumer information on the Web. Interviews Former top regulators, a longtime Ford marketer, a prominent plaintiff attorney, an award-winning New York Times reporter, and an insurance industry safety analyst. Nixon and Detroit - inside the Oval Office Web-exclusive audio of Richard Nixon's 1971 meeting with Henry Ford II and Lee Iacocca, and recently released documents revealing Nixon's efforts on behalf of the auto industry. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SUV, truck owners get a big tax break
I just heard a commercial on the radio selling Cadillac Escalades...if you are a business owner and you buy before the end of the year the IRS will allow you to write off $32,000... was the gist. I was appalled! Played on the leading talk radio @ 5:00 PM in the Phoenix market. Disgusting. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:37 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] SUV, truck owners get a big tax break http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosinsider/0212/18/c01-38875.htm - 12/18/02 Wednesday, December 18, 2002 David Coates / The Detroit News Karl Wizinsky, a health care consultant in Novi, was able to write off $32,000 of the $47,000 purchase price of a Ford Excursion as a business expense. It's perfectly legal, and accountants and auto dealers are starting to catch on. SUV, truck owners get a big tax break Loophole allows hefty write-off for vehicles By Jeff Plungis / Detroit News Washington Bureau Eligible vehicles Here are the 38 light truck models that qualify for an extra $24,000 accelerated depreciation tax break: BMW X5 Cadillac Escalade Chevy Astro Chevy Avalanche Chevy Express Chevy Silverado Chevy Suburban Chevy Tahoe Dodge Durango Dodge Ram Van Dodge Ram Maxi Van Dodge Ram Wagon Dodge Ram 1500 Dodge Ram 2500 Dodge Ram 3500 Ford Excursion Ford Expedition Ford Econoline E-150 Ford Econoline E-250 Ford Econoline E-350 Ford F-150 Ford F-250 Ford F-350 GMC Yukon GMC Safari GMC Savana GMC Sierra GMC Sierra Denali Land Rover Discovery Land Rover Range Rover Lincoln Blackwood Lincoln Navigator Mercedes ML 320 Mercedes ML 500 Mercedes ML55 AMG Toyota Land Cruiser Toyota Sequoia Toyota Tundra Comment on this story Send this story to a friend Get Home Delivery WASHINGTON -- Karl Wizinsky wasn't thinking about buying a new vehicle, and certainly not a big SUV. So why is there a brand-new $47,000 Ford Excursion sitting in his driveway? He was able to write off $32,000 of the purchase price as a business expense. We really did it because it was a pretty hefty deduction, said Wizinsky, a health care consultant in Novi. At the same time the tax code sanctions $30,000 write-offs for SUVs, prospective purchasers of a fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles qualify for a relatively small $4,000 tax credit. A deal to extend similar tax credits to other environmentally friendly vehicles remains stalled in Congress. It's all legal, and accountants and auto dealers are beginning to catch on. If it can save the consumer money, it's most likely that the dealer is going to know about it, said Andrew Beck, spokesman for the National Automobile Dealers Association. So far, there is no indication anyone in Congress wants to close the loophole. In fact, even higher depreciation tax breaks are on the table as part of the next round of tax cuts President Bush is planning. The SUV tax break is becoming a staple of advice in the accounting world, as small business owners such as Wizinsky are advised on ways to reduce end-of-the-year tax bills. The size of the tax break has been growing under a schedule that became law in 1996. That's when Congress changed tax law to encourage business investment. The scale of the tax break surprises accountants and tax experts, who feel bound to recommend SUVs and other light trucks to small-business clients. As I understood it, the reason (for the tax break) is to encourage business investment. That's what happened in my case, Wizinsky said. At the same time, the tax break seems to contradict other national goals, such as improving vehicle fuel efficiency. A more economical fleet would aid two important national goals: reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil and cutting greenhouse gasses. The total cost of the loophole hasn't been calculated by the government, but Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan Washington watchdog group, estimates the SUV tax loophole could cost taxpayers between $840 million and $987 million for every 100,000 vehicles sold to businesses. Aileen Roder, the group's program director, questioned whether there is a national need to subsidize sales of the largest light trucks -- given Americans are buying SUVs in record numbers. This is one of the most lucrative breaks in the tax code, Roder said. We're making it a fiscal no-brainer for businesses to buy giant SUVs. To get an idea of the scale of the SUV tax break, a credit aimed at making it easier for small businesses to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act costs $525 million per 100,000 uses. A tax credit to reimburse teachers for classroom supplies annually costs the treasury $250 million per 100,000 uses. And a provision allowing taxpayers to put up to $3,000 of tax-free earnings per year in private retirement accounts costs about $90 million per 100,000 taxpayers, according to Taxpayers for Common
RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting
Try buying an Optima battery: http://www.optimabatteries.com/ and don't forget to put some winter additive in your diesel (there's nothing worse than spending the winter in the parking lot due to a frozen fuel line) :) -Original Message- From: Michael Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:49 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] cold weather starting I've actually just bought my first diesel car, and this is one of my main concerns (as I said, I don't really know anything!) - If I go skiing and can't plug my car in, for the day or sometimes even for a few days, do you have tips on starting it when I want to get home? Is this something I need to worry about? Sounds like you have lots of experience, and I really don't know what to expect going into my first winter with a diesel. When I get that far, I'm also planning to mix biodiesel with petro diesel to reduce cold weather starting problems. Is that a good solution? While it may not be a real problem at all, It may be a percieved problem with diesel - for people like me who don't know much about it but what they've heard. The effect can be the same. Mike Hakan Falk wrote: I had diesel cars the last 26 years as private vehicle, both in Sweden and after I moved to middle and southern Europe. In Sweden it was often minus 25 Celsius in the winter and minus 15 Celsius in Central Europe. The only time I had serious problem was one time when I was skiing in Sweden and it was minus 40 Celsius for a couple of days. Had to heat it up and then put 20% Kerosene in the tank. Could not ski anyway, since the risk for bad frostbites was too big. Hakan PS. during the same period I had gasoline company cars. At 10:34 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: I don't really know what I'm talking about, but from a Canadian perspective I think diesel is widely considered a dirty fuel (and it sounds like the truth of this is what you're researching), but also it's hard to start when it's minus 20 degrees, which is a real, if surmountable, problem in this climate - this second point would also apply to some areas in the US. Mike Hello All, I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between European (global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, refinement processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission controls, etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's notable lack of presence in the US. Thanks, Thom Hello Thom Good for you. Can't help much, but these might be useful: Fuel Lubricity Reviewed, Paul Lacey, Southwest Research Institute, Steve Howell, MARC-IV Consulting, Inc., SAE paper number 982567, International Fall Fuels and Lubricants Meeting and Exposition, October 19-22, 1998, San Francisco, California. Lubricity Benefits http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
The problem most people run into is when the intake gets clogged with soot. If you run Biodiesel, you greatly reduce this problem since there is little to no soot, or...you could always have it cleaned out by your local mechanic. I have a VW Golf TDI and according to those on www.tdiclub.com, soot buildup can be reduced by either: A. Using Biodiesel B. Consistently revving the engine above 3000 RPM before shifting (Which, I suppose, blows the soot out.) C. Never lugging the motor D. Taking the occasional long road trip to burn off the deposits. E. Cleaning out the intake. (As a last resort.) Hope this helps you in your decision! -Original Message- From: rucksackn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Jetta TDI
Rock on! '02 Golf TDI 1. Get a 5-speed (The auto gets poor mileage and is sluggish) 2. Put B100 in the tank 3. Get Upsoluted (see tdiclub.com) 4. Hang on! -Original Message- From: yoslater1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:29 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Jetta TDI Hi, MY old car is dying a slow painful death and I was thinking about getting the Jetta TDI. Does anyone have any experience with putting biodiesel in Jetta's ?? All ideas welcomed! Thanks Slater Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EPA: A Comprehensive Analysis of Biodiesel Impacts on Exhaust
Found this on tdiclub.com this morning, and thought many of you would be interested. My apologies if this has already been discussed. The Environmental Protection Agency has released a draft report entitled, A Comprehensive Analysis of Biodiesel Impacts on Exhaust Emissions. This draft technical report can be found at the following Website: This technical report is being made available to the public in draft form to permit interested parties an opportunity to review and critique the data, methodology, assumptions, and conclusions. Comments will be accepted through December 31, 2002. Information regarding the means through which comments can be submitted to the EPA can be found in the report. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/analysis/biodsl/p02001.pdf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets
http://www.hondacars.com/theelement/signup.html
This is the ultimate when it comes in a diesel (2006?) No problem with the
HOSE either!
:)
Ryan
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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:16 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets
I haven't added anything to this thread, but I'm in the process of
changing the gas-guzzlin' V8 in my Land Rover Defender to the Land Rover
300 Tdi, with a 2nd heated tank for straight vegetable oil. And there
are a few SUV's out there that come stock with diesel engines -
Suburbans with the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel being probably the most
plentiful, but out there but more rare are things like diesel Isuzu
Troopers, diesel International Scouts, etc.
I even ran across a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser for sale the other day -
an '82 FJ60, originally from Canada.
Craig
Kim Garth Travis wrote:
Curtis Sakima wrote:
Take a HOSE and WASH out the inside now THERE'S a
vehicle I would support!!
Just be careful of the time of year! I did it to a van
once that seriously needed it but it took dragging it to a
heated garage to thaw out the door so they would open. I was a 1973
ford E100, short box, with a 300 six in it. Got great gas mileage,
hauled anything, [I was a courier] and in the summer it was easy to
clean. I would love to be able to buy something like that again.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
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RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels
man do i disagree...to a point, i feel suv's are fine, though i agree that if one is city bound, (you can have it) there is no need for one, I should have told you I live in Phoenix, AZ where there are few hills, slight chance for snow, even slighter for rain, and a plethora of soccer moms driving Lincoln Navigators to the beauty parlor. Seems like every night I see a story on the news with some kind of either fatal or near-fatal accident between a on-the-phone soccer mom, in what would have been, until recently, considered a tank, and a family in an import, three of which were smashed to smithereens my a vehicle, built for heavy-duty-off-road-trailer-pulling-up-a-mud-wall (now with a car-like suspension, by the way) on it's way to the supermarket. What's really funny (to me) is when two of them collide and the drivers (always alone) are cut in half by the seatbelt as tons of re-enforced-drive-through-the-mountain-not-over-it steel frames refuse to give way. SUVs are dangerous, they pollute, they roll over, they smash families in imports to smithereens, and they're almost always right on my tail. Oh yeah, they raise fuel prices, and insurance rates for the rest of us to boot. You drive an SUV in the city, you might as well be hanging your middle finger out the window yelling, ME ME ME ME! Thank you, all of you, for having the courage and wisdom to search for alternate means of transportation. Ryan -Original Message- From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:18 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels man do i disagree...to a point, i feel suv's are fine, though i agree that if one is city bound, (you can have it) there is no need for one, but even better are heavy duty trucks, personally have a ford f250 4x4. if one lives in the cities or very close to them, then these little electric powered rat cars are fine as one is just hurredly scurrying around doing all the domestic tasks living in cities requires, fine... but if one desires to live in the country, forests or whatever, these light fragile cars do not cut it. what i'd like to see, take down the roads to about 1/10 the existing ammount, all 2 lanes, all familys move into 2-400 square foot 5th wheels, trailers, etc. singles could be in truck campers, everyone becomes more hunter gatherer-like in these modern tipees, make the whole earth into one big national park we all share, planting fruits, nuts, oil crops etc., creating an oasis that all can roam and thrive/play in... ooops got carried away. the average full-time rv'er uses a fraction of the resources of the average 2500+ home plus all the cars that go with it, even with their migrating included. guess who has the richer LIFE? its not the size of the vehichles, its how they are being used. nunativs?!? - Original Message - From: Ryan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels Ok you're right, Honda does have a good track record for producing ULEV vehicles made from recycled parts, but does the American family really need another SUV? I guess I'm just sick and tired of them and wish people would stop buying them. SUVs are not cool, that's the image I would like to see projected. There oughtta be a law! :) Cheers, Ryan Morgan Proud owner of a 50 MPG 2002 VW Golf TDI running BD100 -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:51 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels Ryan Morgan wrote: Why the heck did ABC cancel Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect? http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2001-09-27/stewart.html Crushing a Contrarian 09/27/2001 ... Maher says his undoing came at the hands of two shock-jock radio hosts in Texas who endlessly ran the snippet (We have been the cowards!) and whipped their audience into a frenzy. Within a few hours, the Maher Incident was playing on radio talk shows nationwide and consumers were besieging Politically Incorrect's commercial sponsors with demands for a boycott. Very quickly, Sears and Federal Express pulled their sponsorships, and several Midwest stations suspended his show indefinitely. [We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly.] Anyone notice who sponsored his final show? Ben Franklin's ghost? The Honda Pilot SUV! What a slap in the face from corporate America!!! ... the Ultimate Family Adventure Vehicle, - Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle (ULEV) with excellent fuel economy, constructed with ninety percent recyclable components. Huh... Honda doesn't even bother to say what
RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels
Can't soccer moms be just as busy in microbuses? I don't have a problem with that at all. The reason they are right on my tail is because they can see over me...and because they get a sense of power. Have you ever noticed: The bigger the SUV the smaller the woman driving it? Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with women in general, just small women driving their big Lincoln Navigators on my butt. everyone needs to be free of obligations of all sorts... we really need the courage and the wisdom to let go of most of civilization and get a LIFE... Does that make you an anarchist? :) -Original Message- From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:32 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels but thats a problem with having a population of overly-busy soccer moms, not having suv's... the reason they're right on your tail is that everyone is racing the clock, that needs to change, everyone needs to be free of obligations of all sorts... we really need the courage and the wisdom to let go of most of civilization and get a LIFE... I should have told you I live in Phoenix, AZ where there are few hills, slight chance for snow, even slighter for rain, and a plethora of soccer moms driving Lincoln Navigators to the beauty parlor. Seems like every night I see a story on the news with some kind of either fatal or near-fatal accident between a on-the-phone soccer mom, in what would have been, until recently, considered a tank, and a family in an import, three of which were smashed to smithereens my a vehicle, built for heavy-duty-off-road-trailer-pulling-up-a-mud-wall (now with a car-like suspension, by the way) on it's way to the supermarket. What's really funny (to me) is when two of them collide and the drivers (always alone) are cut in half by the seatbelt as tons of re-enforced-drive-through-the-mountain-not-over-it steel frames refuse to give way. SUVs are dangerous, they pollute, they roll over, they smash families in imports to smithereens, and they're almost always right on my tail. Oh yeah, they raise fuel prices, and insurance rates for the rest of us to boot. You drive an SUV in the city, you might as well be hanging your middle finger out the window yelling, ME ME ME ME! Thank you, all of you, for having the courage and wisdom to search for alternate means of transportation. Ryan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.
Hi Al, Sorry if I am also contributing to what you consider a waste of bandwidth, have you tried not reading on? If you're using outlook to manage your email, try sorting by conversation. That way, if one doesn't appeal to your taste you can simply ignore the thread. Just a suggestion. ;) Ryan P.S. That's View Current View By Conversation in Outlook -Original Message- From: al [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:50 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it. Good day, I havent been a member of this group for long but have noticed that some people cannot resist writing about everything even if they have nothing worth writing about. I'n my opinion the Group would be much more Green as regards bandwith on the internet it these people think twice, is that message realy necessary I awate your hail of abuse, but beleive me you cannot come near to the abouse I've had in my time because I'm an individualist and can think for myself. Keep it shout eh. al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels
Why the heck did ABC cancel Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect? Anyone notice who sponsored his final show? The Honda Pilot SUV! What a slap in the face from corporate America!!! Irony or a message? -Original Message- From: Curtis Sakima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:33 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels Most of the group pretty much understands where I stand. So I don't think any severe damage would come about by me saying it again. And that is that I personally think ... that a lot of what this WHOLE WORLD is coming down to lately. Is one BIG argument of your morals vs. mine. And more importantly ... that there oughta be a LAW ... such that my morals dictate everyone's life ... including YOURS. That your morals are your moral .. yeah,yeah,yeah ... but my morals are THE FACTS. I see the trend. I blame no one in particular. Nobody in this group. Nobody in this... or any other country. I simply see the trend. Just turn on your local news channel... and you'll see it. I can't really say that I know why it is happening. Perhaps someone more intellegent than I could explain to me why. I don't know why ... but I see it happening. And it frightens me sometime. Curtis --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Edward Beggs, --snip I think that we are getting in to a ridiculous discussion about your moral verses mine. Nothing that anyone of us have the knowledge to discuss. = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Discontinued Ford Trucks
Thank God! Frankly I am embarrassed for America (and a little scared for my own safety) every time I see someone commuting to work in one of those things. Let them collect dust in collectors' garages. Ford Excursion: R.I.P. -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:19 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Discontinued Ford Trucks Heard yesterday that the U.S. Ford Excursion is being discontinued. This SUV was intended to compete with GMs Chevy Suburban. It sounded as if the Lincoln Blackwood luxury pickup truck may also be a collectors item. `` Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Discover Remote PC Acess Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/p5uw2C/1ncEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles
Wasn't Chrysler also planning on bringing back the Charger R/T for 2001 with a natural gas engine? If I remember correctly the thing could go from 0 to 60 in less than 7 seconds. OK, maybe not the most efficient, but certainly the most efficient in it's class: http://www.dodge.com/inside/concept_vehicles/charger_rt.html Don't forget the Nash Metropolitan either: http://members.tripod.com/PNWMOC/stats.html 30-40 MPG back in 1955! (22.2 seconds to 60) -Original Message- From: Prairie Dog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 2:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles I've seen numerous vehicles mentioned lately (current or old-timey) that had wonderful efficiency ratings. I wonder if we couldn't assemble a collage of info on these vehicles, and hopefully glean some usable info on them that might result in higher MPG ratings nowadays? My entry would be one from Chrysler. In the mid-'40's, they built about 20 test cars that were powered by a jet turbine engine! They got 40-plus MPG even in that day and age, and better yet, they ran on almost ANYTHING that burns! Veggie oil, kerosene, gas, turpentine, alcohol, oil, diesel; it ate it all. It could run them straight, or in nearly any combination of the above. Find it, pour it in. The only reason they didn't put it into production was because it had an annoying whine (it's a jet turbine!), and it was a little sluggish off the line (fixable with today's transmission technologies). The engine was an advanced version of an early military tank engine that Chrysler produced for the US government. Any other ideas? -Joel Rutledge Prairie Dog Recycling Wichita, Kansas Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles
How about the Honda Aero 50cc scooter? -Original Message- From: Prairie Dog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 2:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Historic efficient vehicles I've seen numerous vehicles mentioned lately (current or old-timey) that had wonderful efficiency ratings. I wonder if we couldn't assemble a collage of info on these vehicles, and hopefully glean some usable info on them that might result in higher MPG ratings nowadays? My entry would be one from Chrysler. In the mid-'40's, they built about 20 test cars that were powered by a jet turbine engine! They got 40-plus MPG even in that day and age, and better yet, they ran on almost ANYTHING that burns! Veggie oil, kerosene, gas, turpentine, alcohol, oil, diesel; it ate it all. It could run them straight, or in nearly any combination of the above. Find it, pour it in. The only reason they didn't put it into production was because it had an annoying whine (it's a jet turbine!), and it was a little sluggish off the line (fixable with today's transmission technologies). The engine was an advanced version of an early military tank engine that Chrysler produced for the US government. Any other ideas? -Joel Rutledge Prairie Dog Recycling Wichita, Kansas Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] FYI-VW's policy on using Biodiesel in US TDIs
Is this a crock, or is rapeseed BD superior, from a mechanical standpoint, to soybean BD? -Original Message- Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site. We appreciate your inquiry on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel. B100 stands for 100% biodiesel. It is a diesel fuel derived from biomass feedstock such as soybeans. It can be blended with regular diesel fuel (B20 = 20% biodiesel/80% regular diesel, for example). In Europe our diesel engines are certified to operate any blend of the biodiesel that is available in Europe. European biodiesel is different than biodiesel in the U.S. since it is produced from different feedstock (the rapeseed plant versus the soy plant). Our parent company does not agree with the specifications for biodiesel in the U.S. and does not recommend its use in any percentage. Using biodiesel will invalidate our warranty. If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact Volkswagen Customer Care at 800-822-8987. Thank you for your submission. Dani Volktalk -Original Message- Comments : Hi, I own a 00 Jetta TDI and I have a question about VWoA's attitude about the use of Bio-Diesel or any of its blends, and the honoring of any warranty work done on a car that uses Bio-Diesel... I would like to start using Bio-Diesel, but not if it voids my warranty Thank You [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Email this guy, he has a few to choose from. Cheers, Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: craig reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:57 AM To: Biodiesel; Biofuel; Biofuels-Biz Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker? Anyone know where to buy some? Thanks, Craig Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] diesel engines
Hi Dennis, thanks for volunteering your expertise! If I may, what kind of long term effects (positive and/or negative) will running BD100 have on my unmodified 2002 VW Golf TDI's motor/turbo/fuel system? Is it better to run BD50 or BD20? Thanks, Ryan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:19 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel engines you will have to take your injector pump to a diesel service center that rebuilds pumps. it takes special equipment to rebuild a pump. having it rebuild is a lot cheaper than trading it in for another pump, as long as its not too wore out. steve spence wrote: want to come over and help me rebuild my rabbit. injector pump is shot. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: [biofuel] diesel engines if you guys really want to know something about diesel engines i am the one to talk to. i am a diesel mechanic and have worked on a lot of different brands of motors. i have a mazda pickup with a 2.2 mitsubishi idi diesel, it has a 21- 1 compression ratio. diesel engines have to have at least 14-1 compression ratio to burn #2 fuel. most direct injection engines run 16-1 to 17-1 ratios. also long stroked diesels are more efficient and run cleaner than short stroked engines. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You?
Anyone interested in the VW TDIs should, if you haven't already, check out www.tdiclub.com for more info. Just bought a Golf TDI and put my first tank of Biodiesel 100 in it this weekend. Wow, talk about running smooth (but a little power loss noticable.) I'm getting 46-55 MPG with the five speed, avoid the automatic if you can. Cheers! Ryan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 12:13 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? Steve, Found a 99' Jetta TDI for $6900. Needs a couple of front fenders, right side hit, needs a fr/f ront door, but mechanically perfect with 51,ooo miles. I'm I'm going to make the guy an offer tomorrow. Wish me luck. Jesse I'll wish you luck, Jesse. Let us know, eh? BEST OF GOOD LUCK! regards Keith Portfolio: http://www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? Today I test drove a new vw beetle, turbo diesel. Now this is one fine automobile. 44mpg isn't shabby either. saw diesel today for $1.23 / us gallon. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: stewart hyde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? Agreed My 14 year old Citroen BX turbodesel/GTI hybrid Gets 50 mpg (Imperial 4.55 ltr) and runs beautifilly with rapeseed oil @50% fuel extender Stewart from Wales UK where fuel is almost one dollar per litre. - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] So, You Want to Buy a Green Car ... Or Do You? I drove a BMW minicooper yesterday, and although it was cute, I would not call 33mpg on premium unleaded clean. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Available in Phoenix
To anyone interested, I located a supplier in the Phoenix metro area and confirmed the availability of 100%BD to the general public. Click on the link below for more information: http://www.supremeoil.com/biodieselx.html Sincerely, Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] My BioD life is about to begin!
Just bought one, great cars! Check out the following website for more information than you'll know what to do with on VW TDIs (and others) www.tdiclub.com Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ, USA -Original Message- From: Jonathan Pennington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:42 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] My BioD life is about to begin! My pH meter just arrived (I'm an environmental geologist, so needed one anyway :-), my chemicals are on the way, and I just bought a '99 Jetta TDI for $8k. I'm starting up next weekend when the chemicals arrive on making my first batch of BioD. Man this is exciting! Thanks for all your information everyone. I'm sure I'll be around to relate more later. Anyone else have VW TDIs? -J -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
