Re: Thanks for output on touch screens
Larry, Just to clarify, don't think for a second that anyone is doing anything remotely resembling "normal" typing on these on screen keyboards. Think of them as keyboards for text messaging, brief email replies, and so on. Everyone uses real keyboards for any real typing. Otherwise, dictation works surprisingly well. But again, at least for myself, I don't consider it viable for anything of any real length. And there have been times when I've spent more time after the fact navigating back through the text to make corrections than I spent dictating it in the first place. And finally, you can only dictate so much in one shot before it simply times out and enters what it heard up to that point. Hth, Tom On 4/6/2017 6:01 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Hey Listers, A big thanks for so many responses to my question regarding touch screens. As it stands, right now, I am not quite ready to get serious about using an iDevice or any other at present. However, there is a chance that at some point that with the flux in the screen reading field, it might be an option for real investigation on my part. I think it might be fun, not to mention a challenge to become comfortable using one of these devices, but I really get the feeling that I would ultimately cheat just a bit and use a bluetooth keyboard for any real composition, and most likely only use the touch screen for short texts, or in that circumstance, whatever text input scheme my chosen device makes available. But anyway, it is good to hear all of your advice and observations on your use of these devices. Thanks again, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: a question about using touch screens
Slight correction if you're talking about iOS. When you can simply lift your finger to enter a character that's touch typing. For me it's much faster than having to double tap or split tap. And for dictation I never use the button. A two finger double tap starts and stops dictation. Regards, Tom On 4/6/2017 5:21 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote: I have my typing mode set to standard keyboard. When I touch a letter, if I want that letter I lift, if not I slide to the letter I want. I use the backspace a lot and also dictation helps. There is a dictation button on the lower left near the spacebar. If I do any writing of any length, I use my desktop with Window-eyes. (there, I related the topic to W-e) Brenda On 4/6/2017 2:13 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: future of WE
The upgrade was in the windows update. It took 3 hours to upgrade, but Window-Eyes is working well. It left all my settings and desk top the same as the older version of windows 10 anivercery edition. Excuse the spelling. It's getting late here. Pastor Gil -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 8:25 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: future of WE Hi Chris, If you open the Windows Update dialog, there is an option to force the update to install, or you can wait for it to do it itself eventually. In the Cortana search box, type "update." When Check for Updates appears, press Enter. In the dialog which appears, read the whole dialog with Control-Shift-W. There is a "Yes" button which allows you to grab the update and install it. I haven't done this myself, but the above is what I learned by exploring my system. (smile) All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:33 PM To: michael's emails ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE i am going to do just that. I'm going to wait until it appears in Windows update before I install it. I thought i made that clear before, my apollogies. On 4/6/2017 8:34 PM, michael's emails via Talk wrote: how are you ment to hold off on the win ten update it will just down load on win ten home. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 5:22 AM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE may be , may be not. microsoft is allowing this early download but it is not the final autherized release. there may be some more bug fixes before the final release. some web sites are telling people to wait for a few months. like the anaversory release it had many subsaquent upgrades to fix the bugs that were found within weeks of its final release they had to fix. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:09 PM To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE wait. hold on. it's out today? it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the month. On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it. - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: future of WE OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://l
RE: fat fingers and touch screens!
I'd be interested in that device. Please send info to but...@fairpoint.net Thanks. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Barbara via Talk wrote: Well I briefly looked at a device at the 2017 CSUN conference which connects to an iPhone. This device has physical buttons which replaces the flicking. I am sure this will be useful to those who have problems flicking either by preference or because of a disability. If anyone is interested, I can provide a link to a web site. I will do this off list since it is not a Window-Eyes related question. Smile. Barbara batters...@sbcglobal.net -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:18 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: fat fingers and touch screens! How does a totally blind like myself know where to put the pen on the screne? Does it work well for you?I have a terrible with the iphone touch screen even there is a partial braille keyboard from speed dots. I have the the iphone se -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:01 PM To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: fat fingers and touch screens! if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40scho ols.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/batterseye%40s bcglobal.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: future of WE
It is simple to me, they'll sell it as long as people want it and may or may not sort of support it. I doubt if there will be any future developmentsWhy would they develop two screen readers? Why would you develop two screen readers to work with edge, when your main product which is copy protected will do the trick. I've got probably a thousand vhs video tapes that I still use, but you sure can't find them in a store any more. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Don H via Talk wrote: OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: future of WE
Hi Chris, If you open the Windows Update dialog, there is an option to force the update to install, or you can wait for it to do it itself eventually. In the Cortana search box, type "update." When Check for Updates appears, press Enter. In the dialog which appears, read the whole dialog with Control-Shift-W. There is a "Yes" button which allows you to grab the update and install it. I haven't done this myself, but the above is what I learned by exploring my system. (smile) All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:33 PM To: michael's emails ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE i am going to do just that. I'm going to wait until it appears in Windows update before I install it. I thought i made that clear before, my apollogies. On 4/6/2017 8:34 PM, michael's emails via Talk wrote: > how are you ment to hold off on the win ten update it will just down > load on win ten home. > Cheers Michael. > > -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk > Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 5:22 AM > To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: future of WE > > may be , may be not. microsoft is allowing this early download but it > is not > the final autherized release. there may be some more bug fixes before > the final > release. > some web sites are telling people to wait for a few months. > like the anaversory release it had many subsaquent upgrades to fix the > bugs > that were found within weeks of its final release they had to fix. > > -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:09 PM > To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: future of WE > > wait. hold on. it's out today? > > it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the > month. > > > > On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: >> Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great >> with it. >>- Original Message - >>From: Don H via Talk >>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM >>Subject: future of WE >> >> >>OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with >> the >>next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is >> being >>said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. >>___ >>Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >>For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. >>For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. > > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be f
RE: KNFB reader
Hi Charlie, Yes, KNFBReader for Windows 10 is fully accessible with Window-Eyes and Narrator. Good luck, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:35 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: KNFB reader Hello, KNFB reader is available for Windows 10. Will it work with Window-Eyes? Thanks, Charlie Short ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: NVDA addons
www.grossgang.com www.nvaccess.org On 4/6/2017 10:57 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: URLs please? Andy - Original Message - From: "Joshua Kennedy via Talk" To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 7:23 PM Subject: NVDA addons you get all of the addons from the NVDA community addons website. you can also get some from Jeff's NVDA addons page. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: NVDA addons
URLs please? Andy - Original Message - From: "Joshua Kennedy via Talk" To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 7:23 PM Subject: NVDA addons you get all of the addons from the NVDA community addons website. you can also get some from Jeff's NVDA addons page. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
touch devices
if you would use an android device if you decide to switch to one, you will find many file managers that gives you access to the file system and folder or directory structure like you find in windows. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
using touch screens
touch screens are quite easy to use. when the screen reader whether its talkback for android or voiceover for iPhone is turned on, when you put your finger or the pen on the screen talkback will read what is under your finger. there are different gestures you use to quickly move around apps and screens such as swiping in different directions, single and double taps and so on. for example if I want to scroll on my tablet I put two fingers on the bottom of the screen and slide them up to near the top of the screen. I know I am scrolling up or down by the ascending or descending tone sound that talkback makes. Some apps like my xfinity tv app really rely on the touch screen. but with other apps like web browsers I can mostly use my tablet's physical keyboard on the RCA galileo pro tablet. as for keyboards, I'm so used to where the keys are on the touch screen I can usually put my finger right on the letter I want, lift my finger off the screen and the letter is inserted into the edit box. with practice, touch screens are easy. you may need someone to show you how they work at first maybe spend a few hours with you getting you used to it. I had a friend who was frustrated with touch screens. I spent about an hour or so showing him. Now he really loves his android phones! ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
NVDA addons
you get all of the addons from the NVDA community addons website. you can also get some from Jeff's NVDA addons page. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
Hi Tony, I'm for broadening your knowledge and learning the touch-screen gadgets, but my guess is that even these will turn into dinosaurs in short order once the tech companies perfect the digital assistants. Very soon, you'll be able to sit back and do everything with your voice, assuming you can communicate well with this. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:35 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion I agree on this. WE will be the first to go, next will be Jaws. They had their day, but times and technology are changing. It's kind of funny really, for years I've heard blind people complaining about the high cost of these "special" things for the blind because they are not main stream. Now that devices with screen readers are available for less than $100 people are having shit fits because they may have to change the OS or screen reader they are used to. The best thing I can tell you is get one, either an Android or and Apple device while your Window stuff is still working and start playing with it. Maybe by the time the Jaws and WE plays out you will be adept at the new device. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:14 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion yes, but whats to talk about? most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped selling w e. their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to death and not bringing in any money. jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer for it to die. there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people that use them. 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, with the70 percent unemployment rate? -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second > generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I > ended up getting a ipad mini because it
Re: future of WE
i am going to do just that. I'm going to wait until it appears in Windows update before I install it. I thought i made that clear before, my apollogies. On 4/6/2017 8:34 PM, michael's emails via Talk wrote: how are you ment to hold off on the win ten update it will just down load on win ten home. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 5:22 AM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE may be , may be not. microsoft is allowing this early download but it is not the final autherized release. there may be some more bug fixes before the final release. some web sites are telling people to wait for a few months. like the anaversory release it had many subsaquent upgrades to fix the bugs that were found within weeks of its final release they had to fix. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:09 PM To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE wait. hold on. it's out today? it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the month. On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it. - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: future of WE OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
Tony, What some of us are worried about is how committed the new world will be to supporting software for employment situations. I use older software on the job that does not seem to work with NVDA or Narrator but does work with JAWS and Window-Eyes. These two screen readers have some tricks that NVDA and Narrator don't have where older software is concerned that makes it possible to use software that may not be real accessible. There are aspects of NVDA with which I am not familiar, but in general, I find it less responsive than either JAWS or Window-Eyes in many situations even though it is a respectable screen reader. People on the job are not in a good position to just switch operating systems as more and more one is bound to what one's employer uses. There are many people who will manage fine if both Window-Eyes and JAWS went away, and the environment might change some over time where employment software is concerned as well, but employers lag behind in terms of upgrading software and operating systems so even changes to operating systems and software won't get into the work place for a while. . This is the aspect that concerns me some. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 4:35 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion I agree on this. WE will be the first to go, next will be Jaws. They had their day, but times and technology are changing. It's kind of funny really, for years I've heard blind people complaining about the high cost of these "special" things for the blind because they are not main stream. Now that devices with screen readers are available for less than $100 people are having shit fits because they may have to change the OS or screen reader they are used to. The best thing I can tell you is get one, either an Android or and Apple device while your Window stuff is still working and start playing with it. Maybe by the time the Jaws and WE plays out you will be adept at the new device. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:14 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion yes, but whats to talk about? most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped selling w e. their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to death and not bringing in any money. jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer for it to die. there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people that use them. 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, with the70 percent unemployment rate? -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. Howe
Re: future of WE
how are you ment to hold off on the win ten update it will just down load on win ten home. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 5:22 AM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE may be , may be not. microsoft is allowing this early download but it is not the final autherized release. there may be some more bug fixes before the final release. some web sites are telling people to wait for a few months. like the anaversory release it had many subsaquent upgrades to fix the bugs that were found within weeks of its final release they had to fix. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:09 PM To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE wait. hold on. it's out today? it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the month. On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it. - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: future of WE OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: making the switch
I have a hd fire 7 inch and find it very nice to use. Cheers michael -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:21 PM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: making the switch The Tablet I'm thinking about getting is the Kindle Fire. This way I can get a feel for android and have access to Alexa. -Original Message- From: Tony C Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:00 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: making the switch I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with. I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie: Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one. -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it? I hear that the ios version is much better! -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: making the switch I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: future of window-eyes
If Window Eyes is to be around, all this silence and all the speculation that is being talked about without any response has to be hurting any future sales. Not good business practice. - Original Message - From: Dennis Long via Talk To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:21 PM Subject: RE: future of window-eyes I agree. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 6:36 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of window-eyes The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be around for the forseeable future. If any updates have to be made, i'm sure they'll make them available. Many people have indicated that this is the case, yet these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues. People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems that don't exist. On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: > may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what > to do with w e. > develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, > merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether. > > > > -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM > To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future > ofwindow-eyes > > > > Hi everyone. Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was > a lot of information. > Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters > but merely to contribute to the discussion. However, I have some > thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes. > > I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed. > It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way. > To me, the significant words were: > "that's all I can say here." Not only were those words spoken but the > way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading > on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version > that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. > Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA. We still > haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't > been able to get any answers here in Australia. So, my strategy is the > old scouting approach. "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the > situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned > a new Screen reader. In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws > if absolutely necessary. > Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed. It is my > favourite of all Screen readers. > > Again, thank you for the PodCast. > > Cheers. > > > Ian Westerland > > > > > > > > On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: >> Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because >> of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e will be here >> for now or words to that effect. >> >> >> Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity >> (or something like that). >> >> >> brenda >> >> >> On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: >>> Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except >>> that >>> it would continue. >>> I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be >>> ready for >>> the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said >>> that we >>> were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and >>> that >>> they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would >>> address >>> product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they >>> need >>> to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. >>> Rebecca >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On >>> >>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM >>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >>> Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of >>> window-eyes >>> >>> In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed >>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author >>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 >>> >>> >>> 0embarqma
RE: future of window-eyes
I agree. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 6:36 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of window-eyes The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be around for the forseeable future. If any updates have to be made, i'm sure they'll make them available. Many people have indicated that this is the case, yet these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues. People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems that don't exist. On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: > may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what > to do with w e. > develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, > merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether. > > > > -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM > To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future > ofwindow-eyes > > > > Hi everyone. Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was > a lot of information. > Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters > but merely to contribute to the discussion. However, I have some > thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes. > > I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed. > It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way. > To me, the significant words were: > "that's all I can say here." Not only were those words spoken but the > way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading > on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version > that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. > Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA. We still > haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't > been able to get any answers here in Australia. So, my strategy is the > old scouting approach. "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the > situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned > a new Screen reader. In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws > if absolutely necessary. > Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed. It is my > favourite of all Screen readers. > > Again, thank you for the PodCast. > > Cheers. > > > Ian Westerland > > > > > > > > On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: >> Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because >> of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e will be here >> for now or words to that effect. >> >> >> Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity >> (or something like that). >> >> >> brenda >> >> >> On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: >>> Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except >>> that >>> it would continue. >>> I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be >>> ready for >>> the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said >>> that we >>> were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and >>> that >>> they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would >>> address >>> product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they >>> need >>> to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. >>> Rebecca >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On >>> >>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM >>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >>> Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of >>> window-eyes >>> >>> In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed >>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author >>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 >>> >>> >>> 0embarqmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40winds tream.net. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo
Re: future of window-eyes
Hello, Well, from a business view point. What would be the reason to spend lot's of money on a product that is loosing popularity not only due to cost, but to the fact that free and/or lower cost products are out performing it. It's kind of like when we had 8 track tapes and cassetts were developed. They were better, cheaper, and lasted longer, then they were replaced by CD's, and now CD's are being replaced by digital music. I'm known many blind and VI people over the years who didn't have access to computers and speech programs simply due to the cost of it. Now you can actually purchase a device that gives you access to the net, txt messageing, etc with a built in screen reader that in a lot of cases out performs the $1000.00 screen readers that until now we've been force to use for less than $100. I'm doubting that I'll purchase another SMA, if one is even available once the last upgrade I have is gone. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:35 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of window-eyes The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be around for the forseeable future. If any updates have to be made, i'm sure they'll make them available. Many people have indicated that this is the case, yet these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues. People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems that don't exist. On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what to do with w e. develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether. -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes Hi everyone. Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was a lot of information. Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters but merely to contribute to the discussion. However, I have some thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes. I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed. It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way. To me, the significant words were: "that's all I can say here." Not only were those words spoken but the way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA. We still haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't been able to get any answers here in Australia. So, my strategy is the old scouting approach. "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned a new Screen reader. In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws if absolutely necessary. Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed. It is my favourite of all Screen readers. Again, thank you for the PodCast. Cheers. Ian Westerland On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e will be here for now or words to that effect. Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity (or something like that). brenda On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that it would continue. I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 0embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit
RE: future of window-eyes
If you were treating this industry as a business, when would you make major announcements? The speculation from list members suggests close to your summer conventions - NFB and ACB. However: Freedom Scientific has a new 40 cell Braille notetaker coming out later this year. I've already advised my dealer that I'm interested in the new Focus line of displays, also coming out later this year. I love braile, and the screen reader which provides the best Braile support for me is not Window-Eyes. And: I gave it plenty of chances. Optelec are involved, and of course, Focus is synonomous with JFW and Braille. Why have they decided to link Braille developments with JFW - not Window-Eyes? Ai Squared has a poor track record when it comes to Braille of any sort. Perhaps that might change with a new device incorporating Window-Eyes? But if so - why would VFO set up two rival devices in what is a small market. The organisations AI and FS are no longer competitors. VFO has already taken the best that the three separate organisations can offer, and put them to work on a product range with JFW at the centre. I do agree with many who have said that this does not seem to be in the best interests of end users, but life isn't always kind either! Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Friday, 7 April 2017 9:47 a.m. To: Ian Westerland; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: future of window-eyes may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what to do with w e. develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether. -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes Hi everyone. Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was a lot of information. Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters but merely to contribute to the discussion. However, I have some thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes. I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed. It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way. To me, the significant words were: "that's all I can say here." Not only were those words spoken but the way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA. We still haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't been able to get any answers here in Australia. So, my strategy is the old scouting approach. "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned a new Screen reader. In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws if absolutely necessary. Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed. It is my favourite of all Screen readers. Again, thank you for the PodCast. Cheers. Ian Westerland On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: > Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did > because of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e > will be here for now or words to that effect. > > > Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more > unity (or something like that). > > > brenda > > > On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: >> Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except >> that it would continue. >> I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be >> ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I >> also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the >> talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to >> Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. >> Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who >> appreciate it. JMO. >> Rebecca >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.co >> m] On >> >> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM >> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >> Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of >> window-eyes >> >> In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed >> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership option
RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
Hello Vaughan. Sky here. Originally, when NVDA started, it wasn't their intention to put Window-Eyes, or JAWS out of business. This was back in 2007. The only way Window-Eyes could even continue to be updated, being free, was if the company was nonprophet and they were relying on donations. From what I am getting, its very difficult to turn a comertial screen reader to a free version, and continue to update it, unless they change to a nonprophet. In fact, I remember a interview with Jeremy Curry about 3 years ago on cool blind tek and he said that they were going to continue to update Window-Eyes and that the updates were going to come much faster than normal, and I was hoping that Window-Eyes would become a nonprophet screen reader where you could donate if you liked it and so on, just like you can with NVDA. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 3:23 PM To: 'wohlg...@gmail.com'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Jim: who is this guy Dave? I talked recently to a very senior person with VFO, (as have others) and the message is essentially no on-going development of Window-Eyes. Who would buy it anyway? Most of the recent discussion on this list has been about free screen reader solutions of one sort or another. Window-Eyes popularity has been trashed by the for Office deal and NVDA. Whilst the for Office plan might have brought about a spike in Window-eyes users, it hasn't funded on-going development. Those of us who still own Window-Eyes know that it wil function until something breaks it. The longer it is left without development, the greater the likelihood that something will break it. If the Window-Eyes support list has turned into discussing everything about access other than Window-Eyes, this sends to me a signal that no one is prepared to buy it. My admission is that switching to JFW was not based on principle. It was, and is the simple reality that at work, and now at home, it is a better tool for me. People who are talking about free alternatives to Window-eyes and who are looking at other platforms are also making pragmatic decisions. The cause(s) of these mixed messages are VFO PERSONNEL - NOT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. It was once appropriate to voice concerns and anxieties via this list, but as things are showing themselves to be - this list is no longer moderated. If you look at list traffic, it is high volume from a small number of people. It has probably always been that there are many more Window-Eyes users than those of us discussing the product on this list. But if we needed another indidcation of the decline in Window-Eyes's future, just monitor this list. The number of participants is not increasing, and the range of threads is actulaly narrowing. These threads are also becoming more off topic. Jim: enjoy your continued use of Window-eyes, but I encourage making plans for your continued uninterrupted use of this technology. Vaughan. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Friday, 7 April 2017 10:02 a.m. To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Hi there! It seems as though I have went down this road before, Window-Eyes is still being sold at least by the Ai-Squared through VFO or whatever they're called now,and yes I talked to Dave from Ai-Squared just a few days ago. He Assured me that Window-Eyes was still alive and kicking for the forseeable future. So until I get the word from someone official I willo continue to correct these missplace messages. Don't want to ruffle to many feathers but mine are getting ruffled by all this supposed miss-imformation! THANKS & Have A Great Day! de . On 06-Apr-17 17:14, net bat via Talk wrote: > yes, but whats to talk about? > most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped > selling w e. > their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to > death and not bringing in any money. > jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer > for it to die. > there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people > that use them. > 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, > with the70 percent unemployment rate? > > > -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM > To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion > > Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Re: future of window-eyes
The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be around for the forseeable future. If any updates have to be made, i'm sure they'll make them available. Many people have indicated that this is the case, yet these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues. People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems that don't exist. On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what to do with w e. develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether. -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes Hi everyone. Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was a lot of information. Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters but merely to contribute to the discussion. However, I have some thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes. I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed. It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way. To me, the significant words were: "that's all I can say here." Not only were those words spoken but the way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA. We still haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't been able to get any answers here in Australia. So, my strategy is the old scouting approach. "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned a new Screen reader. In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws if absolutely necessary. Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed. It is my favourite of all Screen readers. Again, thank you for the PodCast. Cheers. Ian Westerland On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e will be here for now or words to that effect. Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity (or something like that). brenda On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that it would continue. I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 0embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/iwesterl%40bigpond.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/pr
RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
Jim: who is this guy Dave? I talked recently to a very senior person with VFO, (as have others) and the message is essentially no on-going development of Window-Eyes. Who would buy it anyway? Most of the recent discussion on this list has been about free screen reader solutions of one sort or another. Window-Eyes popularity has been trashed by the for Office deal and NVDA. Whilst the for Office plan might have brought about a spike in Window-eyes users, it hasn't funded on-going development. Those of us who still own Window-Eyes know that it wil function until something breaks it. The longer it is left without development, the greater the likelihood that something will break it. If the Window-Eyes support list has turned into discussing everything about access other than Window-Eyes, this sends to me a signal that no one is prepared to buy it. My admission is that switching to JFW was not based on principle. It was, and is the simple reality that at work, and now at home, it is a better tool for me. People who are talking about free alternatives to Window-eyes and who are looking at other platforms are also making pragmatic decisions. The cause(s) of these mixed messages are VFO PERSONNEL - NOT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. It was once appropriate to voice concerns and anxieties via this list, but as things are showing themselves to be - this list is no longer moderated. If you look at list traffic, it is high volume from a small number of people. It has probably always been that there are many more Window-Eyes users than those of us discussing the product on this list. But if we needed another indidcation of the decline in Window-Eyes's future, just monitor this list. The number of participants is not increasing, and the range of threads is actulaly narrowing. These threads are also becoming more off topic. Jim: enjoy your continued use of Window-eyes, but I encourage making plans for your continued uninterrupted use of this technology. Vaughan. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Friday, 7 April 2017 10:02 a.m. To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Hi there! It seems as though I have went down this road before, Window-Eyes is still being sold at least by the Ai-Squared through VFO or whatever they're called now,and yes I talked to Dave from Ai-Squared just a few days ago. He Assured me that Window-Eyes was still alive and kicking for the forseeable future. So until I get the word from someone official I willo continue to correct these missplace messages. Don't want to ruffle to many feathers but mine are getting ruffled by all this supposed miss-imformation! THANKS & Have A Great Day! de . On 06-Apr-17 17:14, net bat via Talk wrote: > yes, but whats to talk about? > most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped > selling w e. > their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to > death and not bringing in any money. > jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer > for it to die. > there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people > that use them. > 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, > with the70 percent unemployment rate? > > > -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM > To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion > > Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM > To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun > and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the > file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it > as I can with other non-Apple devices. > It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to > extend its capacity. > Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. > Evan > > -Original Message- > From: net bat via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM > To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file > structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't > even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. > *** > but. . . > since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing > much easier to use. > i thought it was the same as the app switcher to sw
Thanks for output on touch screens
Hey Listers, A big thanks for so many responses to my question regarding touch screens. As it stands, right now, I am not quite ready to get serious about using an iDevice or any other at present. However, there is a chance that at some point that with the flux in the screen reading field, it might be an option for real investigation on my part. I think it might be fun, not to mention a challenge to become comfortable using one of these devices, but I really get the feeling that I would ultimately cheat just a bit and use a bluetooth keyboard for any real composition, and most likely only use the touch screen for short texts, or in that circumstance, whatever text input scheme my chosen device makes available. But anyway, it is good to hear all of your advice and observations on your use of these devices. Thanks again, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
Hi there! It seems as though I have went down this road before, Window-Eyes is still being sold at least by the Ai-Squared through VFO or whatever they're called now,and yes I talked to Dave from Ai-Squared just a few days ago. He Assured me that Window-Eyes was still alive and kicking for the forseeable future. So until I get the word from someone official I willo continue to correct these missplace messages. Don't want to ruffle to many feathers but mine are getting ruffled by all this supposed miss-imformation! THANKS & Have A Great Day! de . On 06-Apr-17 17:14, net bat via Talk wrote: yes, but whats to talk about? most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped selling w e. their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to death and not bringing in any money. jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer for it to die. there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people that use them. 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, with the70 percent unemployment rate? -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing
future of window-eyes
may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what to do with w e. develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether. -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes Hi everyone. Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was a lot of information. Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters but merely to contribute to the discussion. However, I have some thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes. I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed. It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way. To me, the significant words were: "that's all I can say here." Not only were those words spoken but the way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA. We still haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't been able to get any answers here in Australia. So, my strategy is the old scouting approach. "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned a new Screen reader. In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws if absolutely necessary. Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed. It is my favourite of all Screen readers. Again, thank you for the PodCast. Cheers. Ian Westerland On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e will be here for now or words to that effect. Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity (or something like that). brenda On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that it would continue. I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 0embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/iwesterl%40bigpond.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List arch
Re: a question about using touch screens
Yes, patience, I can confirm this. When you first encounter a touchscreen, move your finger around slowly so that the device has a chance to speak what you've touched before your finger has moved halfway across the screen. That was the problem I had when I first got my iPad Mini. I made things harder on myself because I was moving my finger too quickly. When you've learned the layout, then you can zoom around, but at first, keep it slow. Evan -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 5:26 PM To: 'Larry Higgins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: a question about using touch screens Larry, using a touchscreen requires a good deal of practice, practice, practice! And, patience! You'll need more than a dose of it. But, you can do it if there are NO DEXTERITY issues. Whilst you are familiarizing yourself with the concept, it may be nice to allow yourself to double tap a key to register it. This way, when you find the letter you want on the keyboard, lifting your fingers won't inadvertently place the wrong letter in the edit box. Once you become a pro at it, you will most certainly change over to lift typing and this has already been described in some other post on the subject matter. If you can, please consider visiting a phone store and play with as many touchscreen devices as possible. If you want one to take home, find a reasonably-priced Android touchscreen phone. I'm almost certain you can find some at Walmart for about $60 or less. It won't be a flagship device, but it'll surely help you get started slowly until Ms. Android becomes your friend! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: a question about using touch screens
I am not very fast with it but once I learn the layout that is correct but I do use dictation or a Bluetooth keyboard most of the time. You could do it, I'm sure he could. Jo Taliaferro On Apr 6, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote: Myself, I know the keyboard is layed out just likd a regular keyboard fo whatever letter myy finger lands on first I know about where to move to for the letter I need. When you first touch a letter, Icon, or whatever using voice over the voice over will speak the letter when you hear the letter you want you do a quick double tap with that finger, just like double clicking the mouse. you can get fairly fast with it, but either using dictation or a blue tooth keyboard is the most efficient way. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 1:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: a question about using touch screens OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soaringeagle7%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
WE and Creator version of Win 10
I just installed the creator update to Windows 10. WE seems to work just as it did. Still works poorly with the Edge browser. NVDA however works pretty well with Edge under Creator version of Win 10. If as is currently being mentioned that there will be no more real development of WE I am assuming that Edge will not ever work well with WE. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
I agree on this. WE will be the first to go, next will be Jaws. They had their day, but times and technology are changing. It's kind of funny really, for years I've heard blind people complaining about the high cost of these "special" things for the blind because they are not main stream. Now that devices with screen readers are available for less than $100 people are having shit fits because they may have to change the OS or screen reader they are used to. The best thing I can tell you is get one, either an Android or and Apple device while your Window stuff is still working and start playing with it. Maybe by the time the Jaws and WE plays out you will be adept at the new device. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:14 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion yes, but whats to talk about? most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped selling w e. their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to death and not bringing in any money. jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer for it to die. there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people that use them. 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, with the70 percent unemployment rate? -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bu
KNFB reader
Hello, KNFB reader is available for Windows 10. Will it work with Window-Eyes? Thanks, Charlie Short ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes
Hi everyone. Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was a lot of information. Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters but merely to contribute to the discussion. However, I have some thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes. I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed. It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way. To me, the significant words were: "that's all I can say here." Not only were those words spoken but the way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA. We still haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't been able to get any answers here in Australia. So, my strategy is the old scouting approach. "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned a new Screen reader. In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws if absolutely necessary. Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed. It is my favourite of all Screen readers. Again, thank you for the PodCast. Cheers. Ian Westerland On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e will be here for now or words to that effect. Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity (or something like that). brenda On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that it would continue. I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 0embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/iwesterl%40bigpond.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: a question about using touch screens
Larry, using a touchscreen requires a good deal of practice, practice, practice! And, patience! You'll need more than a dose of it. But, you can do it if there are NO DEXTERITY issues. Whilst you are familiarizing yourself with the concept, it may be nice to allow yourself to double tap a key to register it. This way, when you find the letter you want on the keyboard, lifting your fingers won't inadvertently place the wrong letter in the edit box. Once you become a pro at it, you will most certainly change over to lift typing and this has already been described in some other post on the subject matter. If you can, please consider visiting a phone store and play with as many touchscreen devices as possible. If you want one to take home, find a reasonably-priced Android touchscreen phone. I'm almost certain you can find some at Walmart for about $60 or less. It won't be a flagship device, but it'll surely help you get started slowly until Ms. Android becomes your friend! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
yes, but whats to talk about? most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped selling w e. their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to death and not bringing in any money. jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer for it to die. there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people that use them. 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, with the70 percent unemployment rate? -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn > it on > turn on voice over and
Re: a question about using touch screens
I have my typing mode set to standard keyboard. When I touch a letter, if I want that letter I lift, if not I slide to the letter I want. I use the backspace a lot and also dictation helps. There is a dictation button on the lower left near the spacebar. If I do any writing of any length, I use my desktop with Window-eyes. (there, I related the topic to W-e) Brenda On 4/6/2017 2:13 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes
Interesting podcast. Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?). His words were W-e will be here for now or words to that effect. Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity (or something like that). brenda On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote: Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that it would continue. I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 0embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: making the switch
Russ, even if Voice Dream Reader DOES NOT do all you wish for, the Android platform has so many apps that are either free or inexpensive that will fit the bill! That, I believe, is what sets Android apart in so many ways! For example, I have a PDF-TO-SPEECH app that will read PDF formatted documents and files! For EPub books, I use Google Playbooks and it is accessible. I use the Kindle app to read Kindle books. I don't have bookshare, but I guarantee you that if I download a book from bookshare as an MP3 formatted file or even text, I shall be able to read it with no problems. With respect to the Amazon Fire, please note that it is NOT A PURE Android tablet. Amazon, like all other manufacturers/developers who are Android enthusiasts, has added its own bells and whistles. The Amazon Fire DOES NOT come with Talkback preinstalled; however, it has Voice Views! Google Play Services will need to be installed on the Amazon Fire before you can install Talkback. Before you buy though, if you live close to a computer store such as BestBuy, please take a trip there and play with the Fire! Also, please understand that Android and iOS are vastly different in terms of accessibility. On Android, multiple finger taps are "truly" not there; Two finger taps are not very common, a single finger tap for the most part will launch an app if you set things correctly. Yes, you can swipe left or right, but this does not have to be done all the time. Learning Android will require a good dose of patience, but I am certain you'll do well at that. All in all, Android is fun; its openness and the vast array of choices are what has attracted me to it! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows screen readers
Hi Don, If you regularly call the same telephone menu, you can program pauses into the dialing sequence by adding a comma or two, followed by the numbers to dial, followed by more commas and more numbers etc. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:32 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Speaking of those things I don't like on the iPhone, how about when you make a phone call into an automated system where you have to type more numbers. The keypad is hidden when the call is answered, so you have to tap around to unhide the keyboard to type the additional numbers. By that time, the thing may have timed out and disconnected you. I know that I can use headphones, but that is just another piece of junk to keep with you. Having said that, I won't give up my iPhone because of the numerous things it can do for me including but not limited to GPS, internet radio, podcasts, book reading and on and on and on. Don Roberts On 4/6/2017 11:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote: > one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file > structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't > even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. > *** > but. . . > since i found out about the item chooser it makes > sifari browseing much easier to use. > i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between > running apps. > not to open a list of all the links on the web page. > > -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM > To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Windows screen readers > > Hi Butch, > > I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. > I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but > perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded > that not everyone can learn it. > My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. > It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. > However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her > iPhone 6SE. > However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, > the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it > answers you back. > > With respect, > > Rod > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM > To: Russ Kiehne > Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it > works for you. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > >> I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation >> victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up >> getting a >> ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader >> stream >> and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery >> life >> than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and >> plextalk pocket. >> >> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen >> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM >> To: Russ Kiehne >> Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Why do you think I have one of those? >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne >> wrote: >> >>> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >>> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >>> >>> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, >>> touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to >>> me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it >>> isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the >>> same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody >>> should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod >>> touch >>> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >>> 73 >>> Butch >>> WA0VJR >>> Node 3148 >>> Wallace, ks. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, >>> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >>> > learn. >>> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn >>> it on >>> > turn on voice over and have fun. >>> > >>> > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk >>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >>> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com
Re: fat fingers and touch screens!
I would like that link. Thanks tch...@mediacombb.net -Original Message- From: Barbara via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:45 PM To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat' Subject: RE: fat fingers and touch screens! Well I briefly looked at a device at the 2017 CSUN conference which connects to an iPhone. This device has physical buttons which replaces the flicking. I am sure this will be useful to those who have problems flicking either by preference or because of a disability. If anyone is interested, I can provide a link to a web site. I will do this off list since it is not a Window-Eyes related question. Smile. Barbara batters...@sbcglobal.net -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:18 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: fat fingers and touch screens! How does a totally blind like myself know where to put the pen on the screne? Does it work well for you?I have a terrible with the iphone touch screen even there is a partial braille keyboard from speed dots. I have the the iphone se -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:01 PM To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: fat fingers and touch screens! if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40scho ols.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/batterseye%40s bcglobal.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows screen readers
I agree with you. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation > victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a > ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream > and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life > than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and > plextalk pocket. > > -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM > To: Russ Kiehne > Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Why do you think I have one of those? > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne > wrote: > >> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >> >> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, >> touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to >> me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it >> isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the >> same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody >> should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch >> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Tue, >> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >> >> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >> > learn. >> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on >> > turn on voice over and have fun. >> > >> > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> > >> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a >> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions >> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it >> > is >> > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using >> > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web >> > pages. >> > >> > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> > >Tony, >> > > >> > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the >> > > past >> > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of >> > > what >> > > I >> > >feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users >> > >felt >> > >that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and >> > >Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did >> > >not >> > >work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself >> > >frustrated >> > >there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, >> > >particularly >> > >web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on >> > > all >> > >platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the >> > > MAC >> > >and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have >> > > switched >> > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or >> > > poor >> > >web browser support. People I have talked to who work on >> > > accessibility >> > >have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to >> > >be >> > >tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to >> > > know >> > > if >> > >the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in >> > >web >> > >sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, >> > > that >> > > Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page >> > > with >> > >a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard >> > > to >> > >determine where problems exist. >> > > >> > >I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. >> > > >> > >Best regards, >> > > >> > >Steve Jacobson >> > > >> > >-Original Message- >> > >From: Talk >> > >
Re: Windows screen readers
I've spoken with Apple about this issue, and maybe if several people alert them to this issue they will try to make it better in the next updates. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:40 PM To: Donald L. Roberts ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Don: I have run into that situation, I use my bluetooth keyboard and I use the VO-right and left arrows to arrow between the numbers. Of course, you have to do this quickly so that it doesn't time out, but it has worked for me a majority of the time. Sometimes, the window looses focus, and then you have to let the call go and figure out how to get back to the Phone app, then try again. Kevin Huber On 4/6/17, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote: Speaking of those things I don't like on the iPhone, how about when you make a phone call into an automated system where you have to type more numbers. The keypad is hidden when the call is answered, so you have to tap around to unhide the keyboard to type the additional numbers. By that time, the thing may have timed out and disconnected you. I know that I can use headphones, but that is just another piece of junk to keep with you. Having said that, I won't give up my iPhone because of the numerous things it can do for me including but not limited to GPS, internet radio, podcasts, book reading and on and on and on. Don Roberts On 4/6/2017 11:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote: one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussio
RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second > generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I > ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do > with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more > volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader > stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. > > -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM > To: Russ Kiehne > Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Why do you think I have one of those? > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne > wrote: > >> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >> >> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the >> like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make >> sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand >> is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. >> But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for >> years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. >> I have an I pod touch >> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Tue, >> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >> >> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >> > learn. >> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn >> > it on >> > turn on voice over and have fun. >> > >> > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> > >> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad >> > and a >> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile >> > versions >> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it >> > is >> > really a soluti
RE: fat fingers and touch screens!
Well I briefly looked at a device at the 2017 CSUN conference which connects to an iPhone. This device has physical buttons which replaces the flicking. I am sure this will be useful to those who have problems flicking either by preference or because of a disability. If anyone is interested, I can provide a link to a web site. I will do this off list since it is not a Window-Eyes related question. Smile. Barbara batters...@sbcglobal.net -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:18 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: fat fingers and touch screens! How does a totally blind like myself know where to put the pen on the screne? Does it work well for you?I have a terrible with the iphone touch screen even there is a partial braille keyboard from speed dots. I have the the iphone se -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:01 PM To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: fat fingers and touch screens! if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40scho ols.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/batterseye%40s bcglobal.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
My I phone at least 95 percent of the time the number pad is on the screen. If not in the center at the top is the number you are callling and you just tap that to show keypad. It can be a pain sometimes but there are some settings you can change to make things simpler. -Original Message- From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:31 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Speaking of those things I don't like on the iPhone, how about when you make a phone call into an automated system where you have to type more numbers. The keypad is hidden when the call is answered, so you have to tap around to unhide the keyboard to type the additional numbers. By that time, the thing may have timed out and disconnected you. I know that I can use headphones, but that is just another piece of junk to keep with you. Having said that, I won't give up my iPhone because of the numerous things it can do for me including but not limited to GPS, internet radio, podcasts, book reading and on and on and on. Don Roberts On 4/6/2017 11:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote: one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know w
Re: Golden Cursor for NVDA
Rod, I am fairly new to NVDA. Are there instructions on how to use the mouse cursor functionality after I install it? For example, what keys to use? Also, will this add on work with NVDA 16.2? Thank you much. Butch -- BK ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
Hi Don: I have run into that situation, I use my bluetooth keyboard and I use the VO-right and left arrows to arrow between the numbers. Of course, you have to do this quickly so that it doesn't time out, but it has worked for me a majority of the time. Sometimes, the window looses focus, and then you have to let the call go and figure out how to get back to the Phone app, then try again. Kevin Huber On 4/6/17, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote: > Speaking of those things I don't like on the iPhone, how about when you > make a phone call into an automated system where you have to type more > numbers. The keypad is hidden when the call is answered, so you have to > tap around to unhide the keyboard to type the additional numbers. By > that time, the thing may have timed out and disconnected you. I know > that I can use headphones, but that is just another piece of junk to > keep with you. > > > Having said that, I won't give up my iPhone because of the numerous > things it can do for me including but not limited to GPS, internet > radio, podcasts, book reading and on and on and on. > > Don Roberts > > On 4/6/2017 11:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote: >> one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file >> structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't >> even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. >> *** >> but. . . >> since i found out about the item chooser it makes >> sifari browseing much easier to use. >> i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between >> running apps. >> not to open a list of all the links on the web page. >> >> -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM >> To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: Windows screen readers >> >> Hi Butch, >> >> I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. >> I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but >> perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded >> that not everyone can learn it. >> My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. >> It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. >> However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her >> iPhone 6SE. >> However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, >> the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it >> answers you back. >> >> With respect, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM >> To: Russ Kiehne >> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it >> works for you. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: >> >>> I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation >>> victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up >>> getting a >>> ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader >>> stream >>> and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery >>> life >>> than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and >>> plextalk pocket. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM >>> To: Russ Kiehne >>> Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >>> >>> Why do you think I have one of those? >>> 73 >>> Butch >>> WA0VJR >>> Node 3148 >>> Wallace, ks. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne >>> wrote: >>> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via
Re: future of WE
Microsoft is always releasing bug fixes. In the past once a month. - Original Message - From: Stephen Clark via Talk To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:34 PM Subject: Re: future of WE Well, that's funny because I have the final release installed. They are Rowling it out in phases like they did with the Anniversary Edition. On 4/6/2017 3:22 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: > may be , may be not. microsoft is allowing this early download but it > is not the final autherized release. there may be some more bug fixes > before the final release. > some web sites are telling people to wait for a few months. > like the anaversory release it had many subsaquent upgrades to fix the > bugs that were found within weeks of its final release they had to fix. > > -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:09 PM > To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: future of WE > > wait. hold on. it's out today? > > it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the > month. > > > > On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: >> Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great >> with it. >>- Original Message - >>From: Don H via Talk >>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM >>Subject: future of WE >> >> >>OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with >> the >>next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is >> being >>said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. >>___ >>Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >>For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. >>For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/sclark04%40twcny.rr.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Anyone have new support phone number?
Hi there! This is a number that I got from a call from Dave at AI-Squared. The number rings into VFO but you are given a menu which contains AiSquared. The Number is, 727-803-8000. Again you are presented with a menu which you can choose AiSquared. I left a message and got a call from Dave shortly after my call. Give it a Try. Good Luck & Have A good 1! de . On 06-Apr-17 15:36, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote: On 4/5/17, Michael via Talk wrote: Hi. Actually, for the past few months, no matter which phone number you call, you will reach the VFO phone system. You can still call the Ai Squared number which is (802) 362-3612. You'll have to take things from there, smile. Mike M. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Anyone have new support phone number? Hi: Since their server is having problems I wonder if there is a new support number, it may have also changed after the move to the new company. Rick USA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/massey52%40q.c om. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wohlggie%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: future of WE
Well, that's funny because I have the final release installed. They are Rowling it out in phases like they did with the Anniversary Edition. On 4/6/2017 3:22 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: may be , may be not. microsoft is allowing this early download but it is not the final autherized release. there may be some more bug fixes before the final release. some web sites are telling people to wait for a few months. like the anaversory release it had many subsaquent upgrades to fix the bugs that were found within weeks of its final release they had to fix. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:09 PM To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE wait. hold on. it's out today? it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the month. On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it. - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: future of WE OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/sclark04%40twcny.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
Speaking of those things I don't like on the iPhone, how about when you make a phone call into an automated system where you have to type more numbers. The keypad is hidden when the call is answered, so you have to tap around to unhide the keyboard to type the additional numbers. By that time, the thing may have timed out and disconnected you. I know that I can use headphones, but that is just another piece of junk to keep with you. Having said that, I won't give up my iPhone because of the numerous things it can do for me including but not limited to GPS, internet radio, podcasts, book reading and on and on and on. Don Roberts On 4/6/2017 11:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote: one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it > is > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web > pages. > > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: > >Tony, > > > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the > > past > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of
Re: fat fingers and touch screens!
Yes, I use the side of my thumb quite often. On 4/6/2017 2:18 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi Netbat, Fat fingers should have no impact whatsoever on your use of a touch screen. You normally just repeatedly flick in whatever direction you need to in order to select an item, and then just double-tab to activate it. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:01 PM To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: fat fingers and touch screens! if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
You can however use the I could to store files. -Original Message- From: Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 1:46 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it > on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and > a > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile > versions > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it > is > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some > web > pages. > > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: > >Tony, > > > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more du
Re: Anyone have new support phone number?
On 4/5/17, Michael via Talk wrote: > Hi. Actually, for the past few months, no matter which phone number you > call, you will reach the VFO phone system. You can still call the Ai > Squared number which is (802) 362-3612. You'll have to take things from > there, smile. > > Mike M. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: Anyone have new support phone number? > > Hi: > Since their server is having problems I wonder if there is a new support > number, it may have also changed after the move to the new company. > Rick USA > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/massey52%40q.c > om. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: future of WE
may be , may be not. microsoft is allowing this early download but it is not the final autherized release. there may be some more bug fixes before the final release. some web sites are telling people to wait for a few months. like the anaversory release it had many subsaquent upgrades to fix the bugs that were found within weeks of its final release they had to fix. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:09 PM To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: future of WE wait. hold on. it's out today? it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the month. On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it. - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: future of WE OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: future of WE
wait. hold on. it's out today? it's only April 6th and it wasn't supposed to be out til later in the month. On 4/6/2017 2:31 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it. - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: future of WE OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: a question about using touch screens
that works as long as the iphone is set to double tap. grin there is a touch typeing setting too. with this on the keyboard buttons will activate as soon as your finger leaves the button without tapping the screen. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:23 AM To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: a question about using touch screens Myself, I know the keyboard is layed out just likd a regular keyboard fo whatever letter myy finger lands on first I know about where to move to for the letter I need. When you first touch a letter, Icon, or whatever using voice over the voice over will speak the letter when you hear the letter you want you do a quick double tap with that finger, just like double clicking the mouse. you can get fairly fast with it, but either using dictation or a blue tooth keyboard is the most efficient way. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 1:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: a question about using touch screens OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Apple devices. It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend its capacity. Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. Evan -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it > on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and > a > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile > versions > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it > is > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some > web > pages. > > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: > >Tony, > > > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during > > the > > past > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of > > what > > I > >feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS > > users > >felt
Re: a question about using touch screens
Karen, the word you're looking for standard typing. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7...@gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7...@yahoo.com > On Apr 6, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Karen Poulakos via Talk > wrote: > > Larry, > > On the iPhone and iPad, as you slide your finger over the on screen > keyboard, Voiceover will say the letters. There are two typing modes. With > the first one, I can't remember what they call it, you tap twice to select > the letter. > > With the second, which is the one I use, I think it's called touch typing, > the letter is selected when you lift your finger. No need to double tap the > letter.Voice over says the letter when you locate it, and says it again when > you lift your finger. > > I've found that as I have become familiar with where the letters are on the > screen, I don't have to spend as much time hunting for them. > > Karen P > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+kpoulakos=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:13 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: a question about using touch screens > > OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever > attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I > realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? > > I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt > and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't > be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the > fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do > you guys who make use of these screens do it? > > Please be nice . > > Larry > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kpoulakos%40sb > cglobal.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jhud7789%40outlook.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: a question about using touch screens
Larry, On the iPhone and iPad, as you slide your finger over the on screen keyboard, Voiceover will say the letters. There are two typing modes. With the first one, I can't remember what they call it, you tap twice to select the letter. With the second, which is the one I use, I think it's called touch typing, the letter is selected when you lift your finger. No need to double tap the letter.Voice over says the letter when you locate it, and says it again when you lift your finger. I've found that as I have become familiar with where the letters are on the screen, I don't have to spend as much time hunting for them. Karen P -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kpoulakos=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: a question about using touch screens OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizablehome base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kpoulakos%40sb cglobal.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. *** but. . . since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easier to use. i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps. not to open a list of all the links on the web page. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it > is > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web > pages. > > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: > >Tony, > > > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the > > past > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of > > what > > I > >feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users > >felt > >that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and > >Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did > >not > >work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself > >frustrated > >there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, > >particularly > >web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on > > all > >platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the > > MAC > >and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have > > switched > > back. Also, some of yo
Re: future of WE
Just upgraded to Windows Creator and Window Eyes is working great with it. - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: future of WE OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: a question about using touch screens
Hi there! Sorry if I called you by the wrong name, my mistake if I did. . On 06-Apr-17 14:22, Jim wrote: Hi Larry! I have been using touch screens for arou 5 to 6 years and yes at first it was rather difficult. But I did eventually get use to them-now to the point that I have little or no difficulty using them at all! It is just a mattewr of searching around until you find what you want and you should make some attemp to memorize the layout of the screen that you are using. For example the dialpad is layed out the same as is it on a standard touchtone pad so that shouldn't take much getting use to, but there are many other layouts which do take a bit of getting use to. Be patient and try to do On 06-Apr-17 14:13, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wohlggie%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: a question about using touch screens
Hi Larry! I have been using touch screens for arou 5 to 6 years and yes at first it was rather difficult. But I did eventually get use to them-now to the point that I have little or no difficulty using them at all! It is just a mattewr of searching around until you find what you want and you should make some attempt to memorize the layout of the screen that you are using. For example the dial pad is layed out the same as it is on a standard touchtone pad so that shouldn't take much getting use to, but there are many other layouts which do take a bit of getting use to. Be patient and try to do as much exploring as you can since I believe this familiarizes you quicker with the layouts. I am certain you can get things figured out! Good Luck! & Have A Good 1! de . On 06-Apr-17 14:13, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wohlggie%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: fat fingers and touch screens!
I haven't marked my screen in any way, I just learned the position of the things I use most. -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 1:17 PM To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: fat fingers and touch screens! How does a totally blind like myself know where to put the pen on the screne? Does it work well for you?I have a terrible with the iphone touch screen even there is a partial braille keyboard from speed dots. I have the the iphone se -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:01 PM To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: fat fingers and touch screens! if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
future of WE
OK so it seems that the news is that WE will continue to work with the next version of Windows 10. That is good news however nothing is being said about making any real updates to WE now or in the future. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: a question about using touch screens
Myself, I know the keyboard is layed out just likd a regular keyboard fo whatever letter myy finger lands on first I know about where to move to for the letter I need. When you first touch a letter, Icon, or whatever using voice over the voice over will speak the letter when you hear the letter you want you do a quick double tap with that finger, just like double clicking the mouse. you can get fairly fast with it, but either using dictation or a blue tooth keyboard is the most efficient way. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 1:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: a question about using touch screens OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows screen readers
Siri doesn't add or delete for you, wish it would do that. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:12 PM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows screen readers Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation > victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a > ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream > and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life > than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and > plextalk pocket. > > -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM > To: Russ Kiehne > Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Why do you think I have one of those? > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne > wrote: > >> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >> >> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, >> touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to >> me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it >> isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the >> same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody >> should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch >> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Tue, >> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >> >> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >> > learn. >> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on >> > turn on voice over and have fun. >> > >> > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> > >> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a >> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions >> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it >> > is >> > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using >> > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web >> > pages. >> > >> > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> > >Tony, >> > > >> > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the >> > > past >> > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of >> > > what >> > > I >> > >feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users >> > >felt >> > >that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and >> > >Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did >> > >not >> > >work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself >> > >frustrated >> > >there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, >> > >particularly >> > >web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on >> > > all >> > >platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the >> > > MAC >> > >and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have >> > > switched >> > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inco
RE: fat fingers and touch screens!
Hi Netbat, Fat fingers should have no impact whatsoever on your use of a touch screen. You normally just repeatedly flick in whatever direction you need to in order to select an item, and then just double-tab to activate it. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:01 PM To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: fat fingers and touch screens! if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: fat fingers and touch screens!
How does a totally blind like myself know where to put the pen on the screne? Does it work well for you?I have a terrible with the iphone touch screen even there is a partial braille keyboard from speed dots. I have the the iphone se -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:01 PM To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: fat fingers and touch screens! if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
a question about using touch screens
OK folks, I've been wanting to ask this for a long time. Not having ever attempted to use a tablet, iPhone or any other touch screen device, I realize just how stupid this question might sound, but bear with me, OK? I just want to know how a blind user like myself avoids becoming a hunt and pecker when trying to type on a touch screen. There obviously can't be anything like home keys, or a easily recognizable home base for the fingers, so short of having to buy and use a bluetooth keyboard, how do you guys who make use of these screens do it? Please be nice . Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows screen readers
Hi Butch, I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone can learn it. My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone 6SE. However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation > victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a > ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream > and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life > than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and > plextalk pocket. > > -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM > To: Russ Kiehne > Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Why do you think I have one of those? > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne > wrote: > >> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >> >> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, >> touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to >> me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it >> isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the >> same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody >> should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch >> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Tue, >> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >> >> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >> > learn. >> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on >> > turn on voice over and have fun. >> > >> > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> > >> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a >> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions >> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it >> > is >> > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using >> > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web >> > pages. >> > >> > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> > >Tony, >> > > >> > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the >> > > past >> > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of >> > > what >> > > I >> > >feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users >> > >felt >> > >that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and >> > >Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did >> > >not >> > >work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself >> > >frustrated >> > >there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, >> > >particularly >> > >web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on >> > > all >> > >platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the >> > > MAC >> > >and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have >> > > switched >> > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or >> > > poor >> > >web browser support. People I have talked to who work on >> > > accessibility >> > >have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to >> > >be >> > >tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to >> > > know >> > > if >> > >the pa
fat fingers and touch screens!
if you have fat fingers try useing a touch screen pen. you can get them on ebay or amazon for about $10 for a pack of 3. you use these in place of your fingers. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:23 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber On 4/4/17, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, > touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to > me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it > isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the > same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody > should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch > 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Tue, > 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > >> Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn. >> reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on >> turn >> on voice over and have fun. >> >> -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a >> Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions >> of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is >> really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using >> NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web >> pages. >> >> On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >>> Tony, >>> >>> I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the >>> past >>> year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of what >>> I >>> feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users felt >>> that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and >>> Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did not >>> work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustrated >>> there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, particularly >>> web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on all >>> platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the MAC >>> and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have switched >>> back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or >>> poor >>> web browser support. People I have talked to who work on accessibility >>> have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to be >>> tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to know >>> if >>> the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in web >>> sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, >>> that >>> Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page >>> with >>> a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard to >>> determine where problems exist. >>> >>> I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Windows screen readers >>> >>> Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user >>> for >>> several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve >>> been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone >>> can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix the >>> first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a >>> person >>> can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use netflix >>> with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen reader >>> as >>> opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t use >>> Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told me >>> it >>> isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or my I >>> Pad Mini and use netflix with the free
Re: Windows screen readers
Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it works for you. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to > learn. > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on > turn on voice over and have fun. > > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it > is > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web > pages. > > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: > >Tony, > > > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the > > past > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of > > what > > I > >feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users > >felt > >that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and > >Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did > >not > >work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself > >frustrated > >there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, > >particularly > >web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on > > all > >platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the > > MAC > >and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have > > switched > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or > > poor > >web browser support. People I have talked to who work on > > accessibility > >have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to > >be > >tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to > > know > > if > >the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in > >web > >sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, > > that > > Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page > > with > >a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard > > to > >determine where problems exist. > > > >I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. > > > >Best regards, > > > >Steve Jacobson > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Talk > >[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] > > On > >Behalf Of Tony C via Talk > >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM > >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > >Subject: Windows screen readers > > > > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user > > for > >several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and > >I’ve > >been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone > >can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix > >the > >first thin
Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes
That's good to know. Honestly, I'd rather pay the $50 or so for the upgrade fees as oppose to the over $200 that the competition charges. Keep up the good work Window-Eyes! - Original Message - From: "Rebecca Lineberger via Talk" To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 8:29 AM Subject: RE: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that it would continue. I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 0embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/armando.maldonado0767%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes
Thanks for this podcast. Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that it would continue. I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked. I also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors. Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who appreciate it. JMO. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%4 0embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: making the switch
Hi, I don't think it reads Apple Pages files on the Android version, but I could be wrong. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: 06 April 2017 15:39 To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would. On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote: > Does it do all of the following? > > With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected > epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 > text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as > LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, > Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice > about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare > and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device. Voice dream reader > is supplied with Acapela. You have the optionof using Neospeech or > Ivona. > I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a > booksense when reading any text based file. > > -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM > To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: Re: making the switch > > voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot. > > > Sent with AquaMail for Android > http://www.aqua-mail.com > > > On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" wrote: > >> How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it? >> I hear that the ios version is much better! >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: making the switch >> >> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA >> galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact >> I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses >> taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from >> the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing >> games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes >> game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet >> even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio. >> >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gm ail.com. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: making the switch
Hi, Kindle fire is not the best example of Android, it is somewhat modified. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: 06 April 2017 14:22 To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: making the switch The Tablet I'm thinking about getting is the Kindle Fire. This way I can get a feel for android and have access to Alexa. -Original Message- From: Tony C Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:00 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: making the switch I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with. I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie: Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one. -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it? I hear that the ios version is much better! -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: making the switch I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gm ail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: making the switch
Hi, Voice Dream for Android is even better in that you can use even more voices. I have Eloquence for Android. Try that on the iPhone. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: 06 April 2017 14:18 To: Josh Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch Does it do all of the following? With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device. Voice dream reader is supplied with Acapela. You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona. I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense when reading any text based file. -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" wrote: > How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it? > I hear that the ios version is much better! > > -Original Message- > From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: making the switch > > I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA > galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact > I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses > taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from > the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing > games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes > game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even > interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gm ail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: making the switch
I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would. On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote: Does it do all of the following? With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device. Voice dream reader is supplied with Acapela. You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona. I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense when reading any text based file. -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" wrote: How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it? I hear that the ios version is much better! -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: making the switch I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes
In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows screen readers
I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM To: Russ Kiehne Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Why do you think I have one of those? 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn. reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on turn on voice over and have fun. -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web pages. On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: > Tony, > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the > past > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of > what > I > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users > felt > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did > not > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustrated > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, > particularly > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on > all > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the > MAC > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have > switched > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or > poor > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on > accessibility > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to be > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to > know > if > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in web > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, > that > Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page > with > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard > to > determine where problems exist. > > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] > On > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Windows screen readers > > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user > for > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix the > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a > person > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use > netflix > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen > reader > as > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t use > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told > me > it > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or my > I >
Re: making the switch
The Tablet I'm thinking about getting is the Kindle Fire. This way I can get a feel for android and have access to Alexa. -Original Message- From: Tony C Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:00 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: making the switch I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with. I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie: Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one. -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it? I hear that the ios version is much better! -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: making the switch I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: making the switch
Does it do all of the following? With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device. Voice dream reader is supplied with Acapela. You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona. I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense when reading any text based file. -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: making the switch voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" wrote: How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it? I hear that the ios version is much better! -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: making the switch I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
