Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging OpenStreetMap wide, 
so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag.

The Australian  tagging guidelines 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries
 don’t have an example using a node as a label, but the suburb of Cremorne, NSW 
does, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122

So in the case of Scarborough, the relation 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688 should have the node 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 added as a “label”. This will then 
show up as the “centre” of Scarborough.

The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 should have the name 
changed back to just “Scarborough” and the population tags moved to the 
relation.

Alex

From: Nev W 
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2022 at 8:22 pm
To: talk OSM Australian List 
Subject: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia
Hi
I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, city 
in OSM.
Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history
I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a comma 
and further definition?
Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies this?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb
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Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

Comments from lunchtime

  *   Someone in my walking group is a keen mapper and always correcting things
  *   In Victoria there is great open data (data.vic.gov.au) so less need
  *   Great contribution to the community
  *   How do you run on no money and no staff?

Alex

From: Phil Wyatt 
Date: Friday, 26 August 2022 at 12:13 pm
To: Alex Sims , 'talk-au OSM -' 
Subject: RE: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA
Well done Alex,

Events such as that are a great opportunity to chat to folks about opening up 
their data so we can have complete coverage. I notice that many of the Police 
Station points (especially remote ones) are missing in OSM but it also looks 
like some of their pins could also be inaccurate.

Given that lots of government agencies are also ESRI clients they could also 
make them available as part of ‘Community Maps Data Sharing Program’ with a 
suitable licence and then they would become available in the RapID editor

https://www.esri.com/arcgis-blog/products/arcgis-living-atlas/mapping/community-maps-data-sharing/

Cheers - Phil

From: Alex Sims 
Sent: Friday, 26 August 2022 11:34 AM
To: talk-au OSM - 
Subject: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

Hi,

I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information
Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency 
Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few 
“OpenStreetMap used here”.

Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to:

  *   The price is right, free!
  *   Good coverage of health facilities

Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps

  *   Find a police station (SA Police) 
https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via ESRI)

And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA government 
mapping

  *   Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490

My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty of 
users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, 
which we are probably willing to map.

Alex


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[talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information
Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency 
Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few 
“OpenStreetMap used here”.

Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to:

  *   The price is right, free!
  *   Good coverage of health facilities

Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps

  *   Find a police station (SA Police) 
https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via ESRI)

And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA government 
mapping

  *   Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490

My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty of 
users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, 
which we are probably willing to map.

Alex


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Re: [talk-au] Declared Hazardous Areas in Vic

[Alex Sims]

Hi

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions seems to suggest 
like you

bus:conditional = permit @ (Jun-Oct)

Looking in taginfo suggests something like this with a general condition and 
then specific exceptions:

bus:access = no
bus:conditional = yes @ (permit AND Jun-Oct)
bus:conditional = yes @ (Nov-May)

Alex
From: Brendan Barnes 
Date: Friday, 19 August 2022 at 8:31 pm
To: talk-au 
Subject: [talk-au] Declared Hazardous Areas in Vic
Hi all,

I've noticed these signs in Victorian Alpine areas 
https://kartaview.org/map/@-36.897592376139094,147.06169030221406,16z

And on a quick online seach came up with 
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/licence-and-permit-types/authority-to-drive-in-hazardous-areas

Would a tag to represent such roads be expressed something like:

bus:conditional = permit @ Jun-Oct

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Re: [talk-au] Well I bought an L1/L5 Mouse GPS

[Alex Sims via Talk-au]

The device is quite amazing. Will use 30-40 satellites from a mix of GPS, 
GLONASS, BEIDOU, QZSS (only on Windows, not on Android) and GALILEO. Is getting 
signals from both L1 (1575MHz) and L5 (1176MHz) bands from most GALILEO and 
half of BEIDOU and GPS, so removes most of the ionosphere noise. And then the 
kicker is, if I capture the raw measurements I can then run it against 
corrections from Geoscience Australia and get 10-30cm accuracy, so they say.

In a session this afternoon I walk around objects of interest and form a star 
on survey marks. I also walked around a sporting pitch circle to apply the 
circle test, that is travel in a circle and then the largest inner and smallest 
outer circle that encompasses all points indicates the accuracy. Looking about 
17.5m inner and 19m outer for a soccer centre circle. So I’m convinced.

From: Bob Cameron 
Date: Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 7:11 pm


One of the cross checks I do is to use a bidirectional Mapillary track layer. 
I'd suggest fairly good for road centering in open places (ie no phase delay 
GPS reflections). No good for non


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[talk-au] Well I bought an L1/L5 Mouse GPS

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I’ve now got a relatively (<$100 + postage) Mouse GPS. It is amazingly 
accurate. That’s the good news.

Now I can see a whole bunch of streets, buildings etc out by 1-5 meters as 
*some* features were traced without correcting the image offset. Also found my 
cheap GPS and an OSX machine are not a great combination. GPSD gets confused 
and ends up with mojibake most times. Virtual serial port is fine in screen, 
QGIS etc.

Still fun

Alex
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Re: [talk-au] Another highway classification question. This time in Adelaide.

[Alex Sims]

In terms of consistency with the rest of the roads in the Adelaide metropolitan 
area primary is correct. It seems to me to be better placed there according to 
the main (global) tagging guidelines.

All of the trunk roads in Adelaide are of national/strategic important and 
carry a lot of freight. The same seems so of Melbourne. Looking at Sydney it 
seems to have a few too many, New Illawarra Road at Lucas Heights, trunk, 
really? I’m wondering more if the Australian tagging guidelines for 
metropolitan trunk roads should stress more about a roads function and place in 
the network, rather than it’s label (A/B/C).

From: Andrew Davidson 
Date: Friday, 18 March 2022 at 7:16 pm
Found another highway classification map note:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2734030

This one asking if North Main Road should be classed trunk rather than
primary.

Do we have any Adelaidean mappers that could answer this question?


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Re: [talk-au] National Public Toilet map?

[Alex Sims]

My guess is no with high confidence.

The license is at https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/national-public-toilet-map 
and doesn’t derivatives.

Alex

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Do we have permission to use the National Public Toilet map:
https://toiletmap.gov.au/copyright?


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Re: [talk-au] Betty's Burgers - fast food or restaurant?

[Alex Sims]

I’ve never been to one, but have been to something that looks similar according 
to the images I found. It appears that you order and pay for your food and then 
are given a buzzer and then fetch your food. Reading 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drestaurant , the absence of 
waiting staff means it isn’t amenity=restaurant but amenity=fast_food.

Alex

From: Mat Attlee 
Date: Wednesday, 9 February 2022 at 9:40 pm
To: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: [talk-au] Betty's Burgers - fast food or restaurant?

I am currently on holiday and stumbled upon the chain that is Betty's Burgers. 
I didn't go inside so could anyone tell me if these are restaurants or fast 
food outlets where you order at the counter? I've had a look at ones already 
mapped and they aren't tagged consistently.

Happy to create an entry in the name suggestion index as I see there is already 
a Wikidata entry.
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Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

[Alex Sims]

Hi Michael,

Gname.org moved to gmane.io almost a year ago. So the subscription to 
x...@gname.org<mailto:x...@gname.org> will never work again and should be 
deleted. A new link needs to be set to gmane.io so that the NNTP feed via 
news.gmane.io can work (if desired)

https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/category/gmane/  summary of the move

Alex

From: Michael Collinson 
Date: Monday, 31 January 2022 at 10:18 am
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

I just create lists so I have forwarded this to Tom Hughes in case he can help 
or elucidate.  /Mike
On 31/1/22 10:24 am, Alex Sims wrote:
HI Graeme,

When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which 
includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at gname.org is 
bouncing back and you get the bounce.

So the link between the mailing list and gmane needs fixing, a job for the 
administrator of all the openstreetmap.org lists

I’ll have a poke and raise the issue with someone.

Alex

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, 31 January 2022 at 9:20 am
To: OSM-Au <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?
Just replied to the "Consistent addr:state format" thread as a reply all, but 
got an undelivered message bounce back to me.

Says that message was sent to
OSM-Au mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> & OSM-Au 
mailto:jbr...@public.gmane.org>>,
 but public.gmane.org<http://public.gmane.org> couldn't be found.

The response was:

DNS Error: 4023212 DNS type 'mx' lookup of 
public.gmane.org<http://public.gmane.org> responded with code NXDOMAIN Domain 
name not found: public.gmane.org<http://public.gmane.org>
Does this mean anything at all to anybody?

Thanks

Graeme



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Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

[Alex Sims]

HI Graeme,

When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which 
includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at gname.org is 
bouncing back and you get the bounce.

So the link between the mailing list and gmane needs fixing, a job for the 
administrator of all the openstreetmap.org lists

I’ll have a poke and raise the issue with someone.

Alex

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Date: Monday, 31 January 2022 at 9:20 am
To: OSM-Au 
Subject: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?
Just replied to the "Consistent addr:state format" thread as a reply all, but 
got an undelivered message bounce back to me.

Says that message was sent to
OSM-Au mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> & OSM-Au 
mailto:jbr...@public.gmane.org>>,
 but public.gmane.org couldn't be found.

The response was:

DNS Error: 4023212 DNS type 'mx' lookup of 
public.gmane.org responded with code NXDOMAIN Domain 
name not found: public.gmane.org
Does this mean anything at all to anybody?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Shared driveways

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I hadn't seen the "pipestream" before, and it does look to have some utility.

I'd much prefer that (legally) public roads be highway=residential/unclassified 
etc so as these will all be present in government data.

If it's private (even shared between many people) then it should be a 
pipestream or driveway or whatever so as to know you won't find it in a 
government based list and need to rely on survey on the ground or an aerial 
photo or whatever.

Alex

On 23/9/21, 11:51 am, "fors...@ozonline.com.au"  
wrote:

"so why isn't it just a simple highway=residential?"

in this case https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/203549225
either highway=service or highway=residential are OK with me

highway=service can be achieved by reversion in this case and there  
are approximately 5000 ways to deal with. Not all are lanes but I  
don't want to manually search 5000 ways looking for lanes tagged as  
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Re: [talk-au] Phone boxes

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

The public phones are enclosed in “cabinets”. It’s a really good question you 
ask as I’m not sure what official names they have if any. The instrument within 
them does have a code number and type but the cabinet less so.

I was a bit surprised by the Wiki using British Telecom cabinet types instead 
of generic descriptions. IMHO the tagging should be generic and reflect the 
features so they are globally understood, so fully enclosed with door, enclosed 
in a box without a door, partially enclosed, no enclosure

Alex

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 

I have mapped a few roadside public phones recently & wondered what we're 
supposed to call them, then just saw this post 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-May/061453.html which 
jogged my memory into asking you all.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtelephone refers to the type 
of booth, & UK types of booth are listed at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:booth.

Does anybody know what Telstra calls it's booths? (if anything?) eg
https://goo.gl/maps/PDSmT5pprx5ngJ8CA or
https://goo.gl/maps/ngDGa8eXPubSPRkP8

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Re: [talk-au] Australian maps for Garmin devices

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I use alternativaslibres.org too but would 
really prefer to roll my own. There are many flags for mkgmap but processors 
tend not to share their recipe. I’d be really happy if a nice processing recipe 
could be recorded into the wiki.

This would be really handy for diagnosing issues with the resultant map 
quickly. I know it’s skirting close to “mapping for the renderer” but please 
share anyway.

Alex


From: Brendan Barnes 

Are there any other good and current (and possibly free) Garmin Australian maps 
out there?

Is anyone interested in producing Garmin data (Mkgmap) for Australia or 
Oceania, but need help with processing/hosting? Please DM me.


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[talk-au] Level 15, 16 dirty tiles - Regency to Pym

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I’ve been having a bit of fun doing on the ground mapping to fix routing and 
South Road (a major road) in Adelaide reconfiguring towards an expressway. 
Having worked out that my vehicle GPS “snaps” to roads and then using 
OSMTracker for Android to fix that, its straightforward to fix and I’ve at 
least got the road geometry right.

However at https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-34.8752/138.5698 the old 
tiles are still in part there. I’ve tried marking the tiles as “dirty” e.g. 
https://tile.openstreetmap.org/16/57994/39548.png/dirty but level 15 and 16 are 
still looking strange. Any clues? All the other zooms look fine along with any 
maps generated.

Alex

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Re: [talk-au] Non-Contributed Information Related to Ways?

[Alex Sims]

Hi Andrew,

I attempted in GovHack 2018 competition to prototype a system for merging the 
two data sources OpenStreetMap and private frequently changing temporary data 
for rapid field deployment.

It is doable but I avoided your major issue (given the time) of having my 
private layer actually interact with the OSM layer by only having temporary 
buildings and nodes in my private layer so they are all on the same map but 
independent.

I’d suggest that you develop some sort of automated process to conflate your 
private data with OSM data. When you get conflicts you’ll need to manually edit 
your private data. E.g. You have your culvert for example as a node in your 
private data and you give it a tag that you expect to merge it with OSM way 
1234566 and automatically split the way in the combined data set.

https://github.com/softgrow/EngineC6 Concept Code
Team video seems unavailable at the moment, I’ll get on to that.

Alex


From: Andrew Hughes 
Date: Thursday, 9 July 2020 at 10:32 am
To: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: [talk-au] Non-Contributed Information Related to Ways?

Hi Again All,

We would like to investigate how we should store information which is related 
to ways given the following:

+ Some specific information we are looking to store is to meet our needs. We do 
have every intention to offer and promote the data through open source. 
However, they're fit for our purposes and won't be a popular item. So, I don't 
see us contributing these back directly...

+ Some of the information we are looking to store will need to be authored in 
accordance with legal requirements (basically, the person who says "You can 
drive a Sherman tank on this road" is allowed to do so, and not some 
unauthorized individual contributing via OSM). So in this case, we need to 
control who can create the related information.

To me the above seems like "private tags", happy to discuss that in isolation 
(and not really sure how/if that can be done). However...

+ We may need to "split" a single road segment into 2 or 3 segments to 
accurately model our relationships geographically - this would be contributed 
back to OSM. If there is something like a culvert (with a weight limit) half 
way along the road that won't support the tank then, yes we can split the road 
and tag the middle section as a Culvert and maybe the maxWeight and that would 
be contributed back to OSM and we would get our 3 segments + culvert & weight 
tags. But what if that mid segment is only needed as a segment for our 
purposes.. like "The adjacent property owner complained to the council about 
noise, so you can't drive your Sherman tank here"?  In which case... we could 
go split the road into 3 and contribute back, but others will see no reason as 
to why this was done? and I don't know what happens then? If I saw that, I'd 
think they should be dissolved back to 1 segment. I'd consider "area" based 
relationships, but they are really tricky around intersections and prone to 
failure. Particularly when the geometry is subject to so much change (i.e. turn 
out lane added...)

Plus (and probably less complicated)...
+ We need to detect/flag when our "private" information has a broken/orphaned 
"relationship" with OSM (ways). Because a way was deleted, split, merged... 
e.t.c... then we can repair the relationship.

Given all of the above, I would really appreciate any insight/suggestions 
anyone has.

Sorry if my explanation isn't the best... I hope it made sense.

Thanks for reading,
A Hughes.

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Re: [talk-au] T-Intersection signs - how to map a sign at 90 degrees

[Alex Sims]

The sign on the main road will be W2-4 (L), Side road entering on left, one day.

When conventions change, signs aren’t changed overnight, road authorities 
replace them as needed. You are looking at an older sign. At some point the 
arrow was added to the standard.

Alex


From: Ewen Hill 
Date: Saturday, 13 June 2020 at 8:38 pm
To: OSM-Au 
Subject: [talk-au] T-Intersection signs - how to map a sign at 90 degrees

Hi, I have a straight main road and a 90 degree road to the left that stops at 
the main road.  A yellow t-junction diamond precedes the intersection on the 
main through road so the T has been rotated 90 degrees.

The intersection in question is at  
openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-34.35067/142.03662

How do I represent this please as the only sign appears to be AU:W2-3 which is 
an upright "T" ...
https://www.artcraft.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=W2-3


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Re: [talk-au] traffic_calming=choker and table

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I obviously hang around with the wrong type of people, council people, traffic 
engineers, community groups etc. It’s a commonly used term, particularly in 
Local Government. To quote Austroads guide to Local Area Traffic Management, 
https://austroads.com.au/publications/traffic-management/agtm08/selection-of-latm-devices/horizontal-deflection-devices/driveway-links
 (free but registration required)

“Description of driveway links

Driveway links take the form of a single‑lane two-way meandering road extending 
over the length of two or more property frontages. They are an extended form of 
a slow point that generally provides a greater visual and physical impact on 
the street and the amount of traffic using it. Passing points may be required 
along the link if it is either very long or it is curved such that approaching 
drivers cannot see to the far end. Driveway links are particularly effective in 
reducing through traffic. Consideration needs to be given to maintaining 
drainage paths and providing bypasses for bicycles where possible”.

A chicane is something you’ll find on a racetrack, best not to get them 
confused.

Alex


From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 4 February 2020 at 1:34 pm
To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] traffic_calming=choker and table

On 4/2/20 8:23 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Yep, choked_table sounds good.

From that wiki page, though, I notice that a chicane is "Called a driveway link 
in Australia"? Maybe so, but for 40+ years of driving in Australia, I've only 
ever known them as chicanes!



Who calls a chicane a "driveway link'??? Not I.



Arr Alex Sims in South Australia added it .. message sent.






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[talk-au] Local Government Address changes

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

A number of statutory bodies get notification from Local Government Agencies of 
addressing changes (think, fire, police, etc). In the case of one LGA it is a 
monthly spreadsheet of mainly subdivisions of existing addresses and some new 
ones. They are willing to consider adding OpenStreetMap to their mailing list. 
Two questions for the list

  *   Is this of value to the project? I think it is as it shows changes that 
are necessary once addressing is done and also new building activity.
  *   Is there an email they can send Excel files to? Want to make it as easy 
as possible. They could use my address but it would be nice to have something 
like 
address-changes-south-austra...@openstreetmap.org
 to formalise it.


Thoughts?

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Re: [talk-au] Experiments in sub meter accuracy for under $30 (thirty) dollars

[Alex Sims]

Well it sort of works, I'm having trouble testing as I need to use a Windows 
machine to run u-center, and my main machine is not Windows. It is also very 
bright outside and the screen is not.

Nevertheless I've tried running it in a single position (ie leave it on the 
ground) and get the drift within a 1.5m x 1m box on the edge of an oval. 

It does appear to work and switches to Differential Mode rather than 
Autonomous. Key things I've found out are the satellite is at an elevation of 
49 degrees and an Azimuth of 9 degrees (from Adelaide) and C/NO 42. You have to 
manually set the PRN code to 122 to use only the Australian SBAS. You need to 
turn Galileo off as there are no corrections for it (on L1) and just use GPS 
and GLONASS. In the SBAS menu you must turn on "allow test mode use Msg 0". It 
was recommended to turn off Ranging. 

Things specific to my setup are you need to save the configuration to the Flash 
memory otherwise you have to reconfigure each time you plug it in (CFG Menu). 
In the config it was recommended to me to set in the NAV5 menu an appropriate 
Dynamic Model, I'm using "Stationary". I lose the SBAS each time an aircraft 
passes between me and the SBAS satellite.

Running it indoors (concrete tiles, brick walls) for about twenty minutes 
stayed in a 10m x 10m box.

The next step is to get it running under OSX and be able to detect it is in 
Differential mode, and try visiting some survey marks sometime next week.

Alex


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[talk-au] Experiments in sub meter accuracy for under $30 (thirty) dollars

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I have been trying for some time to get better accuracy for survey mapping and 
think I might now be on to something. I’ve just got off the phone with Chris 
Marshall from Frontier SI who is promoting the use of the Geoscience SBAS test 
bed and was really helpful

I’m now armed with a Ublox M8030 USB dongle (birthday present, Chinese 
manufacturer, appears genuine at least from the boot messages etc) and 
instructions on key points in configuring it in u-center.

I’m hoping to get sub meter accuracy,  which should be possible as long as I 
can see the SBAS satellite.

Failing that I’ll wait for the Xiaomi Mi8, with dual band (1&5) to fall in 
price to be within my grasp

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Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion

[Alex Sims]

A bit late to the party but anyway:

I wonder if we should add a sentence about verifiability 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability) like:

"If you are mapping private areas, make sure you only include details that 
[other mappers can verify]( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability)"

This covers the case like me who does map private roads etc but only where 
others can see them from the street or from the air etc. Indeed I'd like to map 
a swimming pool but can't as no-one else can verify it as is not visible from 
above, nor from any public place.

Alex


On 9/10/19, 11:26 am, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok.. I think the following can be done on the Australian Tagging Guidelines;


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[talk-au] Australian Buildings in 3D - verandah

[Alex Sims via Talk-au]

Hi,

I can’t seem to workout how to do a veranda (lightweight external roof, not the 
main roof of a building) in Simple 3D mapping. Can someone please point to some 
existing examples on the map that work?

I’m looking for two particular variations of a two storey building. The first 
is a shop with a simple veranda, the second is a hotel with two stories of 
verandah, the second storey being available to walk on

Example simple veranda:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Commercial_road_prahran_in_2006.jpg
Shops in Commercial Road, Prahan
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Harlaxton_House.jpg
Harlaxton House, Towoomba

Example two storey:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_William_Wallace_Hotel_Balmain_1.jpg 
Sir William Wallace Hotel, Balmain

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Re: [talk-au] Links with name

[Alex Sims]

Hi Petra,
I delete names like on example (2) on sight, it is confusing to give something 
a name that doesn’t actually have one, or it may be contested and also confuses 
most routing systems trying to produce meaningful directions and displays on 
GPS.
I’ve never seen case (1) and it looks pretty, ..meh.., and should be deleted in 
the same way as type (1) unless you can actually find a street-sign bearing the 
name, which I doubt exists. Looks like mapping for the renderer.
For example (3) there is a choice, remove the name and leave as a link (of the 
higher class road) or alternatively change the road type to that of the minor 
road. So either  “highway=residential”,”name=Jennings Street” or 
“highway=tertiary_link” will do. I would look at imagery to decide between the 
two as to which better resembles what is on the ground. There seems to be a 
slip lane on the street turning into Jennings Street, so I would go with 
“highway=tertiary_link”.
Alex
From: "Petra Rajka - (p)" https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4972970

 *   links take name from the upcoming road exactly as it is

ex. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/15958927

 *   links (or other way categories) between dual carriageways take the 
name from one of the adjacent roads

ex. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/172829556



In our mapping process we use this wiki page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_link where it’s specified that 
links shouldn’t have name, so we are wondering if there are any local 
rules/conventions regarding this in Australia? Should the links have name? It’s 
a particularity we didn’t found until now.



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[talk-au] [SA] Road name changes

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

Chasing up a road change in the public notices in The Advertiser today I found 
some opportunities for improvement for OpenStreetMap:


  *   Road name changes for council roads are notified by Public Notices and to 
emergency services and flow through to the data.sa.gov.au dataset, but we seem 
to have no process for making changes from here. My example in point is Laing 
Street, Pooraka which I’ve fixed after being wrong for 18 months
  *   Road name changes for state owned roads are similar, with no change 
tracking (I think) from data.sa.gov.au to OpenStreetMap)

Placename changes are collated at 
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/planning-and-property/planning-and-land-management/suburb-road-and-place-names/place-name-proposals
 which I look at. The changes are about 3-4 a year so not huge, I tend to get 
to these.

Anyone (from SA) like to take these on the delta changes for road names?

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Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

[Alex Sims]

I have an example that has bothering me for some time.

This building https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/228033047 is on a dual named 
street. The ten or so houses on the Southern side of so called “Elderslie 
Avenue” East of Braund Road  are actually Martin Close. Every other house on 
“Elderslie Avenue” is legally and survey wise on “Elderslie Avenue”.

I’ve surveyed it and there are extra street signs and some houses have a street 
name as well as a number on the outside. I looked at historical land titles 
records and it gives no answer as to how this came about. There were some 
street re-namings in the area to split streets at Prospect Road but nothing 
that shed’s any light on the history, but that’s another question.

I obviously need to split the way into the normal section and the dual named 
section, but how do I express this with one name on the South and one on the 
North?

Alex

From: Andrew Harvey 
Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2018 at 9:59 am
To: Nemanja Bračko 
Cc: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

Do you have an Australian example?

Highway name where the road segment has a different name I would create the 
relation and put it there. local_name is good for a local or informal or 
colloquial name.
On Wed., 21 Nov. 2018, 4:22 am Nemanja Bračko 
mailto:brack...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Can anyone help us, what we should do in the situation when we have
more then one alt_name?
Imagine the situation:
RD_NAME1: New York Street
RD_NAME2: Big Apple Street
RD_NAME3: US Highway

This is not a problem, let's say NY Street is name, US Highway is
alt_name (which is part of wider area, but without relation), and Big
Apple Street can be Local name. What if you have one extra or two
extra names? How do you want to map it?

Please advice,
Nemanja

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[talk-au] Increased precision options for Australia - QZSS, SBAS or Galileo

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I’m really wanting to have better accuracy from GPS for use with Openstreetmap. 
I can use survey marks and a laser rangefinder, but having a portable GPS would 
make so much easier to fix errors where objects have been armchair mapped or 
even GPS mapped with errors up to 3 meters.

I have tried three approaches

  *   QZSS – I can see this on my Android mobile phone but it doesn’t seem to 
be used. It seems as though I need a Japanese market device and even then I’m 
not sure I’ll get an increase
  *   Galileo – looks promising but when I’ve tested on supported devices 
(friends who have recent phones) the accuracy isn’t delivered. Further 
investigation shows that there aren’t enough satellites in service yet most of 
the day to give 4 visible. (Using GNSS View http://qzss.go.jp/en/ English text)
  *   Lastly the SBAS trial from Geoscience Australia - 
http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/positioning-navigation/positioning-for-the-future/satellite-based-augmentation-system
 - nothing magical has happened with any of the consumer grade devices I have 
access to. Also not sure how to test on an Android device if it is being used.

Has anyone obtained sub-meter accuracy from any of these approaches, it must be 
possible?

Please discuss.

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[talk-au] Postcodes in South Australia

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I’m getting increasingly frustrated with how my GPS (OpenStreetMap on Garmin 
via mkgmap) and the OpenStreetMap Nominatim handle postcodes in South Australia 
with a lot of defaulting to 5000 (Adelaide CBD)

I am assuming that a given suburb or locality maps to a single postcode 
(excluding institution’s which I don’t think we care about) but that a postcode 
my map to more than one suburb or locality

Given that I can see two ways of doing this (manual editing):

  1.  Find a sign, say outside a post office in a suburb/locality and use that 
value for that suburb/locality
  2.  Use the ABS definitions as a guide

Any comments as to things I’ve not thought of with regards to 
licensing/accuracy?

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Re: [talk-au] Am I doing intersections right?

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

You might be mapping for the renderer. :)

I have been not giving slip roads a name and making sure they are 
highway=secondary_link, trunk_link etc, which is considered valid by Keep 
Right, Geofabrik etc. It also makes sense on the ground as there is no physical 
sign on the slip road to give its name, it has none.

This then works correctly when using mkgmap and putting the data on a Garmin 
GPS.

Alex

On 24 Apr 2018, at 1:23 pm, Joel H. 
> wrote:


I have recently added and changed some details related to intersections (mostly 
adding slip roads and traffic lights).

What I'm mostly interested about are slip (turn left anytime with care) roads. 
I have made the decision for slip roads to inherit both the name and the road 
type (with the addition of making it a linking road) from its destination.

You can see examples here: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.82146/153.02973


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[talk-au] Canberra Contact

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I’ve been approached by email from an ACT Government public servant wanting a 
contact to discuss sharing (Canberra) data with OSM. Is there a Canberra/ACT 
based mapper who would like to take this on? (I’m in Adelaide)

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Re: [talk-au] Potential data import

[Alex Sims]

The planner may have swapped over to Google Maps, but the stop information 
remains OSM based e.g.

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops/view/17754

Alex

On 20 Feb 2018, at 1:30 pm, Daniel O'Connor 
> wrote:

:( https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/planner/ appears to have swapped over to 
google maps, sigh

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
On 20 Feb. 2018 1:41 pm, "Daniel O'Connor" 
> wrote:
A good example of a transport agency already doing this is Adelaide Metro; who 
both publish data as GTFS and provide tools based on openstreetmap; their 
internal data.

I'm interested to know more about this, are there any more details?

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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

It looks as though you are all based in Seattle, rather than Australia, is that 
right?

The big question for me is why are you armchair mapping Australia from the US.

How can you be sure that your edits are correct and what is Microsoft’s secret 
plan for Australia :) ?

Alex


On 22 Dec 2017, at 10:24 am, Jubal Harpster 
> wrote:
You may have noticed some Microsoft folks present on the mailings lists and 
Australian Slack channels in the past few months.  Microsoft have convened a 
small Open-Maps team that is starting to work on the OSM data in Australia. Our 
team is not importing data, using algorithms or robot edits to improve the map, 
we are using iD & JOSM to make improvements.

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[talk-au] Adelaide Mapping Event

[Alex Sims]

Dear David,

Please keep sending the emails.

Adelaide desperately needs a mapping session/meetup, so here goes

This has been suggested in the Grange/Henley Beach area to support tourism.

I’m thinking Saturday 26th August or Saturday 23rd September, meet at 2pm 
finish at 4pm, need suggestion for a venue that would accomodate non-mapping 
partners etc. Assume that everyone brings their own mapping gear and internet. 

Alex


> On 14 Jul 2017, at 10:38 am, David Dean  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> (If you don't want me to send these emails to you, please let me know and 
> I'll stop)
> 
> As a follow up to our earlier successful RGSQ Mapping Days event 
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brisbane/Mapping_Parties/2017-06_RGSQ_Mapping_Days
>  
> ),
>  we are having a short, casual, one-day follow up event at Nundah in 
> associate with the RGSQ's Nundah Map Group.
> 
> This will be on Friday 4th August from around 10-16:30, and further details 
> are available on the OSM wiki at 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brisbane/Events/2017-08-04_Nundah_Mapping_Party
>  
> .
> 
> Please feel free to follow that link for more details, and please let me know 
> within the next two weeks if you wish to attend. The location is still TBA, 
> but will be in the Nundah area, probably at the BCC Nundah Library.
> 
> I apologise for this event being on a weekday. If you cannot attend, please 
> wait for the next one, which will hopefully be at a slightly more 
> work-friendly time!

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[talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

[Alex Sims]

I’m not quite sure how to resolve this.

There is a relation 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 
 for the 
World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide.

It is a relation tagged as highway=raceway 

This is now propagating on to assorted apps as well as the slippy map and I’m 
finding it confusing.

I’m not sure if it should be
- deleted as it is not “on the ground” and verifiable
- made into a “ref” tag, like a highway alternative name, e.g A1, B2, C3
- something else.

I do find it a bit odd though as in the parts through Adelaide there is no 
signage, so it is more of an administrative feature like a suburb boundary but 
even less so. It only has use once a year and it is more the route of an event. 
I see the various odd shaped vehicles go by, but the road is not closed, it is 
more a cavalcade of vehicles passing along normal highways, subject to normal 
highway rules

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[talk-au] Keeping SA roads up to date

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I “dogfood” OpenStreetMap and use it in my GPS for directions. I was a bit 
surprised when I came across an almost two year old roundabout on a main road 
that wasn’t mapped. I’ve mapped it now at 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/48106706#map=15/-35.5205/138.6359 


This seems to be a problem that, as editors were not picking and mapping up 
this change. Maybe no editors travels this way, but still I was a bit 
embarrassed by the non-editors in the car.

I found a number of data sources with no hint of it such as aerial imagery or 
Strava cycling data. GPS tracks hints at it but I can’t be sure. I did find it 
in the Roads data set on data.sa.gov.au  but not on 
“State Maintained Roads”. 

As a suggestion, it looks as though we need some sort of comparison process for 
generations of “State Maintained Roads” to identify and validate changes. 
Another solution is to recruit more editors.

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Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

[Alex Sims]

Speaking of SA only I would define the LGA locations administered by the 
Outback Communities Authority as Unincorporated as
- thats how other hierarchies used by Government, ABS etc define it, and every 
point in SA is either in an LGA or Unincorporated
- Unincorporated means Outback Communities Authority does your bins, dog 
registration, planning, etc

The Pitjantjatjara lands I would define as not Unincorporated as "Anangu 
Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara” in the LGA level as that body peforms the 
equivalent function to an LGA, and it is not covered by the Outback Communities 
Authority so its not Unincorporated but not an LGA but something else that 
sites underneath the State. Similar Logic for Maralinga etc.

Alex

> On 21 Dec 2016, at 8:45 am, cleary  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have been adding administrative boundaries in NSW and SA using the
> Government data for which OSM has been given explicit permission. I am
> currently working on the "Pastoral Unincorporated Area" in SA and
> another mapper commented that it was inappropriate. I responded but my
> response appears not to have satisfied the other mapper.  I then found
> that the same mapper had deleted the "Unincorporated Area of New South
> Wales" because it was not administered by a council.
> 
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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

[Alex Sims]

Hmmm,

If I just delivered mail to particular addresses (as I did to 150 today, have a 
list of addresses) does that mean that these addresses are now able to be 
imported from the GNAF?

Maybe I need to tag them as note:letterbox verified or note:GNAF import ok?

I’m not being flippant, and I think it might be a reasonably efficient method 
of getting addresses in - verify letterbox, import from GNAF which gives me a 
lat, long done. I think is quicker than trace outline, print out map, survey 
using map marking addresses down.

Alex


> On 25 Jun 2016, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> 
> This isn't the only issue, but at a minimum there is an extra clause
> in the GNAF license [1]
> 
>> The EULA terms are based on the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 
>> International license (CC BY 4.0). However, an important restriction 
>> relating to the use of the open G-NAF for the sending of mail has been added.
>> The open G-NAF data must not be used for the generation of an address or the 
>> compilation of an address for the sending of mail unless the user has 
>> verified that each address to be used for the sending of mail is capable of 
>> receiving mail by reference to a secondary source of information. Further 
>> information on this use restriction is available here.
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Re: [talk-au] Highway route number prefixes for QLD and NT

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Hi Leith,

I’d second the finger waggling for tagging for the renderer, however a way out 
would be to transform the data in Mapbox on a state by state basis to get what 
you want. So OpenStreetMap records what is on the ground. When your rendering 
your map you can easily intersect polygons of the states with each highway link 
to take account of each states variation to make it look consistent nationally 
inside Mapbox.

At least the states are internally consistent. :-) and South Australia is all 
fine :-) :-)

Alex

> On 10 Nov 2015, at 6:46 PM, Leith Bade  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ross and Micheal,
> 
> Fair enough. Perhaps instead of trying to change the refs to include 
> prefixes, they should be removed for routes that are numerical only to align 
> with your recommendation.
> 
> Basically:
> - in Tasmania: change "NH1" to "1"
> - in Victoria: change all "S x" to "x"
> - in West Australia: change all "Sx" to "x"
> 
> To separate shield types, a comprehensive network of route relations would be 
> implemented using the networks codes assigned in 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields#Australia 
> 
> 
> This would require a large amount of effort however, unless it was automated 
> which I know a lot of people do not like.
> 
> (Sorry Ross for the duplicate email, I realised I forgot to hit reply all)
> 
> Thanks,
> Leith Bade
> le...@mapbox.com 
> On 10 November 2015 at 18:46, Ross  > wrote:
> To me your proposed changes appear to be a lot like tagging for the renderer:
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer 
> 
> 
> If the states are not doing alphanumeric then they should not be rendered 
> that way.
> 
> I'd suggest linking to the routes you are proposing to change and see what 
> opinions you get.
> 
> I'm sure this has been discussed before and I think the general consensus was 
> "only tag with alphanumerics where it is signposted as such".
> 
> You may also want to have a look at these:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_routes_in_Queensland 
> 
> 
> There is a similar wikipedia page for each state.
> 
> Cheers
> Ross
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/11/15 16:19, Leith Bade wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I work for Mapbox as their only southern hemisphere contractor based in 
>> Canberra.
>> 
>> Recently we begun a project to enhance our maps with highway shield images.
>> 
>> Most of Australia has been fairly straightforward to develop shield 
>> selection rules for thanks to the alphanumeric system.
>> 
>> However there are a states where no prefix is used with numeral only routes. 
>> Particularly Queensland (which has a mix of numeral and alphanumeric systems 
>> due to ongoing transition), the Northern Territory, and West Australia 
>> (which have not adopted the alphanumeric yet).
>> 
>> In other states prefixes are used to separate National Highways (green and 
>> gold shields), National Routes (white shields) and State Routes (blue 
>> shields).
>> 
>> Notably in Melbourne a "S xx" and West Australia a "Sxx" prefix is used for 
>> blue shield routes. Also in Tasmania "NH1" is used for the only 
>> non-alphanumeric route.
>> 
>> For national consistency I would like to change all state routes in the 
>> Northern Territory and Queensland to use a "Sxx" prefix. Additionally in 
>> West Australia and Northern Territory to change all national highways to 
>> "NHxx" prefix.
>> 
>> There is no use of a prefix currently anywhere for a national route, however 
>> changing the few remaining routes in West Australia, Northern Territory and 
>> Queensland to use a "NRxx" prefix would be useful.
>> 
>> Finally I found state route 24 in Northern Territory is highway=trunk when 
>> at most it should be highway=primary to match the rest of the state. Also in 
>> Queensland national route 1 from Cairns heading out west is also trunk when 
>> at most it should be primary since it does not connect to a major city.
>> 
>> I welcome any feedback or suggestions.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Leith Bade
>> le...@mapbox.com 
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Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Airport (mapped as both node and way)

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Hi,

Another “me too” as I have almost exclusively used OSM mapping in my Garmin GPS 
for a few years now. It’s highlighted all sorts of things, missing turn 
restrictions, wrong speed limits (not visible but affects routing), street 
names etc. Even works overseas, although I’ve mainly used it as a pedestrian, 
rather than driving.

I’ve added a lot of car parks at places I visit at well. I need to add a lot 
more addresses too.

There are however some mkgmap peculiarities and the maps that most people 
package up tend not to have their mkgmap configuration published and this may 
produces strange results in an Australian context. Some recipes tend to make a 
point for each area on the Garmin, so you definitely don’t want a node and an 
area for a single POI as you can end up with three entries. The mapping from 
OSM to Garmin for POI category seems also a bit variable and often not what is 
expected. The other weirdness is due to OSM having unlimited precision and 
Garmin having a max resolution of a few metres, so I might have removed a few 
extraneous nodes here and there :), but I try real hard not to “map for the 
renderer”

Alex


> On 1 Oct 2015, at 5:26 am, John Henderson  wrote:
> 
> On 30/09/15 19:31, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>> Currently Melbourne Airport appears in the database twice, once as a
>> node once as a way. Is there any reason why I should not move the
>> tags from the node to the way and delete the node?
>> 
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/235151361
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/305804278
> 
> Garmin GPS units have always been a favourite with OSM mappers, as well
> as the general public who don't want to pay exorbitant prices for map
> updates.
> 
> I regularly update and use an OSM base map on my Garmin car GPS.  It's
> great for finding routing errors in the underlying OSM data.

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[talk-au] [SA] Survey marks released as open data

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I’ve noticed that the SA Survey marks have been released as open data on the 
27th of July (3 days ago)

https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/survey-marks-and-survey-mark-plans-reference
 
https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/survey-marks-and-survey-mark-plans-reference

This should be quite useful for georeferencing the Bing Imagery as there are 
many survey marks visible in the photographs and the offset is often 2-3 meters.

I’m intending to add marks I can see on the ground (square rusty metal plates 
about 10cm plates labelled ACC in the Adelaide City Council) and in Bing and 
use this to better align North Adelaide and put data in the OSM Imagery Offset 
database, which seems very deficient in Australia generally.

This is quite a pleasing addition but to be of value will need other mappers to 
use the imagery offset database, rather than simply tracing Bing without an 
offset. Next one on my wishlist is the Property Cadastre, which will no doubt 
come to pass. Off topic my previous wishes have included Traffic Volumes AADT, 
Road Crashes - individual crashes not summated, now all available on 
data.sa.gov.au http://data.sa.gov.au/ 

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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Alex Sims]

I’ve started finding errors not on OpenStreetMap but in the DPTI data. 

I’ve documented a fix process at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads#Errors_in_the_source_data
 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads#Errors_in_the_source_data

It’s not as easy as an edit on the Map but it should work

Alex

 
 To make a project is just using curl plus json to describe it and add tasks. 
 Uh can't find github link right now but the api is pretty clear.
 Happy to help set that up later today/this week, as well as get the process 
 automated (git, 1x cron, etc)
 
  On 22/02/2015 11:20 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com 
  mailto:haselgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   
 
From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com 
   mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
   Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia 
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia
 
  Thanks. I had seen the edits Softgrow has done, but I wasn’t aware it was 
  documented anywhere
 

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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

Can you please make the matlab scripts available on Github so they might be 
used/improved?

I’m particularly wanting to use the output, then check the revised output, 
rinse, lather, repeat

Alex

 To make a project is just using curl plus json to describe it and add tasks. 
 Uh can't find github link right now but the api is pretty clear.
 Happy to help set that up later today/this week, as well as get the process 
 automated (git, 1x cron, etc)
 
  On 22/02/2015 11:20 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com 
  mailto:haselgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   
 
From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com 
   mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
   Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia 
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia
 
  Thanks. I had seen the edits Softgrow has done, but I wasn’t aware it was 
  documented anywhere
 

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Re: [talk-au] street addressing city or suburb?

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I've been populating addr:city with the thing in Australia we call the 
suburb. This seems to be supported by the definition on the wiki as this 
seems to say that the addr:* keys defines a postal address.


I've been playing around with mkgmap to Garmin and whatever happens, the 
more addresses the better. I've been playing with Osmhunter, an IOS app 
which makes it fun, although a bit slow.


Alex

On 14/10/2014 11:10 AM, Ben Kelley wrote:


Hi.

In OSM (for Australia), suburb=town, which is admin_level=9 for admin 
boundaries. We don't define the boundary of the wider metropolitan area.


To be honest I'm not sure of the value in adding this to addresses. 
The location of the address (within admin boundaries) will determine 
this, along with any street related to the address.


That is, it's probably better to let routing software infer the town, 
rather than re-enter it for every address.


  - Ben Kelley.

--
Ben Kelley
Sent from my Nexus 7

On 14 Oct 2014 11:19, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net 
mailto:dban...@internode.on.net wrote:



As far as routing engines go, my guess is City=Town=Suburb, they would
dump them all into one box and sort.

But I confess I don't see them as interchangeable in other contexts.
Difficult question Nicholas !

David


On Mon, 2014-10-13 at 23:54 +, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote:
 When I use the in-browser editor iD, and create a building
outline to tag, it offers up addr:city as a tag, but not addr:suburb

 Of course, I can add a new tag addr:suburb easily enough, but it
is a couple more steps.

 So the path of least resistance is to populate the tag addr:city
and leave blank addr:suburb

 Personally, I am leaning towards addr:city = Coorparoo as it
fits the convention of addressing letters as you point out.

 But I'd like to adhere to the established convention in Australia.

 Cheers,
 Nick

 -Original Message-
 From: David Bannon [mailto:dban...@internode.on.net
mailto:dban...@internode.on.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2014 9:21 AM
 To: Nicholas G Lawrence
 Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [talk-au] street addressing city or suburb?


 Nicholas, generally, when addressing an envelope for example,
we'd say -

 somestreet,
 Coorparoo,
 Queensland, postcode

 We'd reserve the use of Brisbane to an address in the CBD
itself. Or so I think...

 Apply the same principle here do you think ?

 David

 On Mon, 2014-10-13 at 23:09 +, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote:
  Hi all,
 
 
 
  What is the convention for tagging an address for a residential
  property in a suburb (Coorparoo) in a city (Brisbane)?
 
 
 
  addr:city = “Brisbane”
 
 
 
  Or
 
 
 
  addr:city = “Coorparoo”
 
 
 
  Or
 
 
 
  addr:suburb = “Coorparoo”
 
 
 
  Which is best for navigation and routing?



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[talk-au] Unleashed (Govhack) Adelaide - Technical mentors

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I suggested to the organising committee for Unleashed 2014 that having 
technical help for competitors for open source projects that provide data that 
is consumed by competitors would be helpful. The response was extremely 
positive and I am wondering if anyone would like to come into the competition 
in Adelaide which runs this weekend?

Help would be really useful particularly for the Opening night (Friday from 
6pm) and Saturday morning 9am to 12pm. You would help competitors understand 
how OpenStreetMap data is collected, its strengths and weaknesses, along with 
how it can be consumed either directly from the project or via intermediaries 
such as Leaflet etc.

If you can help out please contact me so I can pass your details on to the 
organisers so you can be admitted to the venue, name-tagged etc.

Alex



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[talk-au] ABC uses OpenStreetMap for Honours list Interactive Map

[Alex Sims]

It was nice to see a map linked from the ABC News home page, still there 
under Editor's picks.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-09/australians-recognised-for-services-at-queens-birthday-honours/5508980#interactive

that uses Openstreetmap (via leaflet and Mapbox).

Looking around SA some of the towns seem to be at the wrong level of 
hierarchy, but still nice to see


Alex

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Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

[Alex Sims]

On 28 Apr 2014, at 1:53 pm, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote:

 On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that 
 are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, 
 a way for each suburb that don't duplicate nodes along common borders, or 
 using a single way for the border and using a relation?

I might express and opinion about suburb mapping as I’ve done a fair bit of 
“mapping for the validator” which I suppose is not evil, unlike mapping for the 
renderer.

I’d prefer relations that depend on single ways, this avoids JOSM complaining 
too much about duplicate ways and can also tie into the definition in words 
that might belong in Wikipedia.

If appropriate ways do not exist, then create ways can be untagged or have a 
“ref=“ tag to indicate what they mean e.g. “Centreline of Smith Road” or 
“Southern side of Smith Road” etc that corresponds to their actual definition. 
Then build the relation (suburb) and super-relation (Postcode, LGA area) etc on 
top of these.

As to the type of relation as “boundary” or “multipolygon” I’ve still not 
figured out which is best.

Alex 


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Re: [talk-au] Adding residential properties?

[Alex Sims]

Hi Will,

I’ve been mapping the building outlines and tagging the feature appropriately, 
e.g. house and then adding address data to each building. I’ve also added in a 
smaller area the boundary fences or walls. There is I understand, two competing 
models for recording addresses, one where the building is labelled and another 
where a node is created at the building entrance.

Either way it maps “whats on the ground” and can be readily verified. 

Alex

On 5 Dec 2013, at 8:04 pm, Will Rouesnel w.roues...@gmail.com wrote:

 A simple example starting with my own house - how should residential
 buildings be tagged?
 
 The block they sit on is more of a land use concern, but the specific
 buildings don't occupy the entire block - and seem like they should be
 tagged house.
 
 Is this a correct way to go about things? The goal here would be to get
 my local area updated with street numbers so generated addresses can
 provide navigation to specific locations.
 
 Would it be correct to trace the outline of the blocks, and label them
 with the address and tag the land as residential use? Would this be
 likely to accomplish the overall goal (provide street numbers for my area)?


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Re: [talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

[Alex Sims]

Hi Jason,

There seems to be two layers in Bing in South Australia. A high resolution 
three or four year old layer and a lower resolution layer only about twelve 
months old. This may be related to what you are seeing.

On 6 Dec 2013, at 9:29 am, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 For about a week on 2 different machines I have only had access to zoom level 
 19.
 
 I've pretty much run down every google result possible (remove tile cache, 
 remove attribution file et al)  and am still having the issue.
 
 I've even looked up the JOSM bug tracker and sat in the JOSM dev chat room 
 before posting here.  The reason I'm starting here is to check if it's a 
 localised Bing problem or whether one of you smart people knows whether 
 something has changed that would cause this issue.
 
 I note that other parts of the globe are not affected as I can view London at 
 a Zoom of 20 (I think).
 

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[talk-au] Can I delete these suburbs

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I'm looking at changesets
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/17084700
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/17084304

and I'm beginning to think these streets and suburbs off Hillier Road 
and Redbanks road with many un-named streets simply do not exist.


There are no public roads and I think they are just paddocks.

Are there any steps I should take before deleting them?

Alex

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Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I had a bit of a go at the missing street names last night and have
developed a workflow and and measures. I'd invite any armchair mappers
to help me on this. 

I'm getting through about 100 missing names per hour so there is about
28 hours of armchair mapping here that will help quite a bit. I've
done most of the bit between Churchill Road, Grand Junction Road,
Hampstead Road and the ring route.

Measures:
Sum the number of missing names and major roads for each OSMI update
using the following scripts: As of 2013-11-26 20:52  (UTC) its 304
major and 2607 minor = 2911 total

wget
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/view/highways/wxs?SERVICE=WFSVERSION=1.0.0REQUEST=GetFeatureBBOX=138.42,-35.35,138.92,-34.56TYPENAME=name_missing_major;
-O - | grep ms:way_id | wc -l

wget
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/view/highways/wxs?SERVICE=WFSVERSION=1.0.0REQUEST=GetFeatureBBOX=138.42,-35.35,138.92,-34.56TYPENAME=name_missing_minor;
-O - | grep ms:way_id | wc -l

Workflow:
step 1 - Identify a rectangular area (bounding box) to work on from
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=highwayslon=138.61652lat=-34.89897zoom=11overlays=name_missing_major,name_missing_minor
step 2 - Download Roads.zip from http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/roads
which has street names in it
step 3 - Create a new vector layer in QGIS from roads.zip (takes a
minute or two)
step 4 - select the bounding box identified in step 1 in QGIS (the
bounding box tool is in a pull-down icon)
step 4 - export the selected objects in this layer to a new shapefile.
This gives something that JOSM will load quickly
step 5 - Open up JOSM and open the shapefile from step 4 (needs the
OpenData plug in), this should be fairly quick and painless
step 6 - As a new layer, download part of the area identified at step
1 to work on
step 7 - press validate
step 8 - for each unnamed way identified at step 7, zoom to it and
then alter the visible layer to identify the name, then edit in the
correct name and use a tag source:name=data.sa.gov.au. Remove
fixme=name tags if present
step 9 - repeat steps 7 and 8 until no unnamed ways are left
step 10 - time permitting have a look at other JOSM identified
validation errors
step 11 - repeat step 6 to 10 until the whole area is covered
step 12 - repeat steps 1 to 11 until all of Adelaide is fixed

 Alex 

- Original Message -
From: Walker Garth (DPTI) 
To:talk-au@openstreetmap.org 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:32:04 +1030
Subject:[talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

Currently we’ve identified that there are several areas of OSM which
require tagging for pedestrian access, which impacts our open trip
planning routing options.

 

· Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and
street numbers)


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[talk-au] Fwd: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I met this afternoon with Garth Walker from the SA Government DPTI who’s using 
OpenStreetMap data with OpenJourneyPlanner for public transport journey 
planning on Adelaidemetro.com.au

One thing that came up early on was a lot of footpaths crossing but not meeting 
highways giving them and their users issues, e.g. from KeepRight

http://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=13lat=-34.91529lon=138.52762layers=B0Tch=0%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198show_ign=1show_tmpign=1

If anyone is feeling like some armchair mapping here it would be most 
appreciated.

One question I tried to answer for Garth is how could his area help 
OpenStreetMap locally. I had a couple of ideas:
* A loan drone that I saw elsewhere today that can get images and integrates 
into OpenStreetMap and seems practical, (at least in France) for mapping areas 
without imagery quickly from 120m
* A Friday afternoon meeting for them to show us how they use OpenStreetMap
* Release of Survey Marks in SA for georeferencing

Are there any more ideas?

It was really helpful for me to find someone putting all of our hard work to 
good use in a public way.

Alex

Begin forwarded message:

 From: GW - Customer Experience garth.wal...@sa.gov.au
 Subject: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution
 Date: 20 November 2013 3:35:06 pm ACDT
 To: adelaide-metro-developer-gr...@googlegroups.com
 
 I'd like to say hi to the Open Street Maps community.
 
 We've identified a few areas of improvement for South Australian Open Street 
 Maps which we would encourage contributors to focus on.
 It would be really helpful to us and we're keen on building a relationship 
 with the community on this front.
 
 
 We're keen to see improvements to walking paths, official bike ways, 
 accessibility detail, street address detail and points of interest such as 
 tourist destinations.

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[talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au

[Alex Sims]

I've now obtained permission and recorded it at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#South_Australian_Government_data


This is really very helpful as it allows:
* at least a first pass for filling in nonames roads
* geo-referencing  Bing photos against property boundaries at least near 
the CBD
* accurate Local Government and Suburb boundaries as opposed to ABS 
approximations
* more bike lanes, playgrounds, fire stations, ambulance stations etc. 
to be included


I followed a similar path to what was used for data.gov.au, and would 
comment that the day to write seeking permission/clarification is today 
as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it.


Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for mapping.

Alex
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Subject:Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au
Date:   Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930
From:   Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org



I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for 
sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au


Alex

On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote:


The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that 
attribution reasonable to the medium is more than the ODbL 
guarantees which allows notices in a location ... where users would 
be likely to look for it such as a wiki page linked from /copyright 
or in the case of produced works, a notice ... reasonably calculated 
to make [anyone] aware that Content was obtained from the Database 
(The Database in that quote would be what was provided under CC BY).


Some cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention on any 
page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which is clearly 
unreasonable when there can be dozens of sources on one page, or even 
hundreds.


*From:*Ian Sergeant [mailto:inas66+...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM
*To:* Daniel O'Connor
*Cc:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au

Hi Daniel,

The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their 
data relicenced under our licence?


CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only 
seeking attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that 
it is still insufficient for us to use without further permission from 
the data owner. Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the 
past in gaining such permission.


Ian.

On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com 
mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:


The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in 
publishing open data.


The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't 
seen it yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in 
some fashion.


Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either 
CSV or Shapefile format:


Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a 
reference/looking into:


http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries

and of course:

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations

Not sure how much overlap with data.gov.au http://data.gov.au data 
sets (assume some).


Anyone want to have a look around and

1) Call out the things you think are missing

2) Call out the things you'd want to have imported or manually 
transcribed into open street map





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[talk-au] National Library of Australia - Mapping Exhibition

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

The National Library of Australia is planning an exhibition on mapping 
starting in November this year till March 2014 and wanted to know if we 
had any ideas for activities that OpenStreetMap might want to run as 
part of this or associated with it.


There are some nice visualisations that could be used, e.g. 
http://osmlab.github.io/show-me-the-way/ Show me the way which shows OSM 
edits in real time.


Is there interest for a workshop for beginners and hands on mapping 
party in Canberra at some point?


Any suggestions, particular from local mappers?

Alex
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Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au

[Alex Sims]

I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for 
sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au


Alex

On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote:


The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that 
attribution reasonable to the medium is more than the ODbL 
guarantees which allows notices in a location ... where users would 
be likely to look for it such as a wiki page linked from /copyright 
or in the case of produced works, a notice ... reasonably calculated 
to make [anyone] aware that Content was obtained from the Database 
(The Database in that quote would be what was provided under CC BY).


Some cities releasing data as CC BY insisted that only mention on any 
page where the map was viewed was reasonable, which is clearly 
unreasonable when there can be dozens of sources on one page, or even 
hundreds.


*From:*Ian Sergeant [mailto:inas66+...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:09 AM
*To:* Daniel O'Connor
*Cc:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au

Hi Daniel,

The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their 
data relicenced under our licence?


CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only 
seeking attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that 
it is still insufficient for us to use without further permission from 
the data owner.  Pointers to our attribution page have worked in the 
past in gaining such permission.


Ian.

On 24 May 2013 18:58, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com 
mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:


The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in 
publishing open data.


The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't 
seen it yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in 
some fashion.


Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either 
CSV or Shapefile format:


Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a 
reference/looking into:


http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries

and of course:

http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations

Not sure how much overlap with data.gov.au http://data.gov.au data 
sets (assume some).


Anyone want to have a look around and

1) Call out the things you think are missing

2) Call out the things you'd want to have imported or manually 
transcribed into open street map



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Re: [talk-au] Using multipolygon to create large lake

[Alex Sims]

On 23/04/2013 6:27 PM, Brett Russell wrote:
Much appreciated.  I found though the lake was not rendered but then 
refreshing and zooming in and out it did come up so the rendering is a 
little suspect, might be due to Telstra's 3G network issues or the use 
of Firefox.
I've switched from Potlach to JOSM and found it works quite well on a 
flakey network or even no network at all at times. I'd use the installed 
version though rather than the webstart. It's well worth the initial 
pain and I've only done really minor things if any in Potlach since 
changing.


Alex

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[OSM-legal-talk] Using CC-BY as a source for Openstreetmap

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

I looked at wiki.openstreetmap.org and couldn't find a straight answer 
as to wheter CC-BY data sets can be used as a source for Openstreetmap.


The South Australian State government Department of Transport, Planning 
and Infrastructure has started a small but potentially useful data 
portal at http://dpti.sa.gov.au/data_download_portal/


The data is licensed Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia Licence, 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/deed.en


I'm proposing to use the Suburb boundaries as a basis for mapping and 
the Gazeteer for checking existing placenames.


My understanding is that if attribution is made somewhere in 
wiki.openstreetmap.org then the data can be used.


Or is there more than that?

Alex

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Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

[Alex Sims]

On 11/12/2012 6:06 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
Ok, but I don't think we should get hung up on the coincidence between 
the Australian official meaning of city and the tag place=city. 
(By coincidence, I mean, if we happened to speak some other language, 
obviously there'd be no official designation of city.)


So...what do we want place=city to refer to?
I would want place=city to refer to an urban populated area of at 
least 100,000 people as per 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Values


I've taken to fixing errors from Geofabrik OSMI and have changed places 
to match the schema above. Whilst I find hamlet  village grate on me as 
words, they are merely code for an object to be mapped. It's only 
really issue because I speak English (Australian) and the OSM schema was 
developed in English (United Kingdom) that there is an issue. If we all 
spoke Finnish or Swahili we wouldn't be having this discussion now.


Alex

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Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

[Alex Sims]

On 12/12/2012 2:54 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:
My view on all this is that if a place has officially been designated 
as a city then we must tag it as such. If it is offically a town then 
we must tag it as a town etc.
If we can't find any official designation then either common sense of 
maybe a state specific rule could be applied.
Anyway, in my neck of the woods Goulburn really MUST revert to a city 
or we risk alienating all NSW residents and making our map 
unacceptable to a large number of potential users.

I had a look at cities by population from http://www.statoids.com/yau.html.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place defines city These are 
defined by charter or other governmental designation in some territories 
and are a matter of judgement in others. Should normally have a 
population of at least 100,000 people and be larger than nearby towns. 


The only real issue where there might be a conflict with OSMI is 
Charters Towers with a population of 8893 which is well below 100,000. 
So it might be the Australian special case. There are three rural cities 
with population less than 10,000 in SA, Goyder, Wakefield and Light but 
they are regional names, not those of their towns (Burra, Balaklava and 
Kapunda).


As to towns often with a population of 10,000 people and good range of 
local facilities including schools, medical facilities etc and 
traditionally a market. In areas of low population towns may have 
significantly lower populations. and the smallest Australian one is 
Jabiru NT with 1696.


So maybe as a way forward for tagging Australia
Population  100,000 - City
100,000  Population  10,000 - Town unless designated as a city
10,000  Population  1,000 - Village unless designated as Town or 
Charters Tower which is designated a city

1,000  Population - Hamlet

That should keep locals happy and still be globally consistent?

Alex

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Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

[Alex Sims]

On 26/11/2012 10:38 AM, mick wrote:

I'm in two minds about removing 'historical' data.

Yes, objects no longer visible on the ground shouldn't be rendered on the map.
I've been following this discussion with interest. We do mark and should 
mark administrative boundaries which are not visible on the ground. Can 
the logic for these boundaries which be usefully extended to historical 
data?


Alex

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Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections

[Alex Sims]

On 3/11/2012 5:33 PM, John Henderson wrote:

I checked some intersections in Melbourne’s CBD, and the method I saw
that I liked and thought the best was where there were 4 lights at
the intersection, but they were not placed on the intersecting modes,
but one node back “upstream” on each way.  I think this is good
because no matter which way you go through the intersection, you only
pass one set of lights (rather than 2 if they were placed on the
actual intersecting nodes).
I read it and liked it but then poked around near me but found that 
traffic signals where a divided road meets and undivided road, the 
undivided road gets a count of two. You could put the undivided (two 
ray) road traffic signals in the centre of the intersection but that 
starts to look pretty strange.


Which then leads us to possible accusations of mapping for the routing 
renderer. Strictly speaking the traffic lights are things on poles 
placed on traffic islands as well as overhead gantries. Should we be 
tagging the physical object, ie. the signal rather than its effect which 
is most pronounced at the stop-line?


Another thought would be to tag the stopline with a direction tag to 
hint the renderer that a vehicle would stop here moving in a particular 
direction..starts to get complicated. What about wig-wags outside 
fire-stations or supplementary traffic signals applied to a level 
crossing. Starts to get tricky..


Still worth thinking about...

Alex

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[talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit

[Alex Sims]

Adelaide Metro, the umbrella brand for public transport in Adelaide on 
their new (beta) website at


http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/

are using OpenTripPlanner and OpenStreetmap for journey planning. Nice 
to see OpenStreetmap getting more, albeit unacknowledged exposure.


Alex

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Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit

[Alex Sims]

My understanding is that real time data is sent from all Metrocard vehicles via 
GPRS to a central site. The supply of data is real soon now and they are keen 
to get developers using the data

All of the timetable data and stop data has been available for a year or so as 
GTFS format, although hidden on their old site under site map. There is a 
copy also on GitHub.

Getting back on topic I don't think their license condition permits upload to 
OpenStreetmap, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Alex

On 01/11/2012, at 9:11 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are they pushing data into OSM? Or do we know if the installation has data 
 services available? (Good to see the bus stops are URIs!)
 
 I remember approaching them several years ago, asking about data extracts of 
 timetables/stop locations/etc to do mashups - I met with them, but I felt it 
 went poorly at the time.

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Re: [talk-au] The OSM ladder

[Alex Sims]

Nick,

Is this a thought experiment about OSM mapping or a question about loading 
gauges that the ARTC might better answer?

My quick guess is that OSM cannot answer the question either in the affirmative 
or the negative as it doesn't have data every 50 meters along the route.

Alex

On 16/10/2012, at 5:35 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wish to transport a long thinnish somewhat fragile wooden object from 
 Sydney to Canberra behind steam locomotive 1210. Given that there some 
 tunnels along the way, is the mapping in OSM accurate enough in terms of 
 bendiness to calculate (given a known width of tunnel) whether the wooden 
 object will survive the trip.
 
 I guess it's a bit like the ladder around the corner problem except that the 
 corner is not 90 degree and it's not actually a ladder.  I suspect the object 
 may be in the vicinity of 50 metres long.
  
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Re: [talk-au] Routing islands

[Alex Sims]

On 12/10/2012 4:40 PM, Ben Kelley wrote:
I noticed this the other day: Geofabrik Tools has a Routing layer that 
highlights islands.


Islands are ways that you cannot route to, and generally point to a 
problem somewhere.


The routing layer only seems to apply to Europe, and puts hashing over 
the rest of the world, although the pink Islands overlay does work 
for Australia.


e.g. See this section of Sydney:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routinglon=151.08138lat=-33.86157zoom=15

Ben,

That's quite a useful find. There seem to be all sorts of extras in 
the OSMI tools in that more works than the documentation or the provided 
interfaces suggest.


Alex

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[talk-au] Prod - osmaustralia.org

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

It's quite a useful resource particularly with lots of school holidays 
related mapping but seems unwell for the last four or five days. I've 
tried an email to the contact with no success.


Anyone able to advise of status or how to prod it into action?

Alex


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[talk-au] Present for keen OSMer

[Alex Sims]

I've been asked what I might like as a present and am not sure what to 
ask for. I've already got a laptop with a battery that works, Garmin GPS 
and cheapie Android phone.


Suggestions are welcome.

Alex

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Re: [talk-au] Introducing myself and I have a question too

[Alex Sims]

On 8/08/2012 3:23 PM, Matthew Landauer wrote:

Recently, mySociety, a UK based charity and one the worlds pioneers in
online digital democracy released a web service called mapit:
http://global.mapit.mysociety.org/

What it does is slurp administrative boundary data from OSM and
present and republish it in a really easy to use (and free) web
service.

I see that 2011 LGA boundary data is available on data.gov.au:
http://data.gov.au/dataset/local-government-area-asgc-ed-2011/

Dear Matthew,

I've admired the mySociety projects, particularly Fix my Street. I also 
diligently scanned my junk mail for http://www.electionleaflets.org.au 
in the last federal election.


I'm happy to work on importing LGA areas once I've caught up on tidying 
things up after the great redaction of 2012 in South Australia.


Alex

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