Re: [OSM-talk-be] Addresses in Belgium
Frederik Ramm developed a script that takes history into account: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It does a lot more credit to the work of Ivodeb around Korbeek-Lo and Bierbeek. The numbers are also for worldwide edits instead of only Belgium. Happy New Year (well almost), Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk] House Numbers
Hi, I've made a program that counts how many house numbers someone has added. It uses object history, so it should be able to correctly award the count to the person actually adding the addr:housenumber tag. I don't yet know what will happen with this, but before I make further plans, here's the current list of all accounts that have added addresses, and how many: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
The number (10334) associated to me, Kjarrval, does seem correct. I did a lot of walks last summer and gathered a lot of housenumbers on OsmPad. Could send you the files if you want a rough verification of the number of houses. - Svavar Kjarrval On 30/12/12 21:53, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I've made a program that counts how many house numbers someone has added. It uses object history, so it should be able to correctly award the count to the person actually adding the addr:housenumber tag. I don't yet know what will happen with this, but before I make further plans, here's the current list of all accounts that have added addresses, and how many: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. Bye Frederik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I've made a program that counts how many house numbers someone has added. It uses object history, so it should be able to correctly award the count to the person actually adding the addr:housenumber tag. I don't yet know what will happen with this, but before I make further plans, here's the current list of all accounts that have added addresses, and how many: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. The numbers seem reasonable to me. It gives me credit for 838. Via an XAPI query I see I am the last editor of 729 addr:housenumber objects in Kansas. (which is 64% of the non-imported address data here) Add in the mapping I've done on trips and 838 seems like a sane number. One problem: The page seems to have utf-8 problems. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
On 30/12/2012 21:53, Frederik Ramm wrote: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. From a quick check, the numbers seem about the right for me - only a couple of hundred house numbers so far. Though I'm planning on mapping more soon, now that I have an Android phone with KeypadMapper. It would be good if it could include addr:housename tags as well. A lot of the houses around here have house names instead of numbers (or house names as well as numbers). Craig ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
On 30/12/12 21:53, Frederik Ramm wrote: It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. The numbers for me look about right. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Number seems in right sort of range for me. You could get some guinea pigs to do sanity checks by checking numbers before and after an extensive house number mapping effort by themselves Cheers Steve From: Frederik Ramm [frede...@remote.org] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:53 PM To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] House Numbers Hi, I've made a program that counts how many house numbers someone has added. It uses object history, so it should be able to correctly award the count to the person actually adding the addr:housenumber tag. I don't yet know what will happen with this, but before I make further plans, here's the current list of all accounts that have added addresses, and how many: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk --- Please note that Middlesex University's preferred way of receiving all correspondence is via email in line with our Environmental Policy. All incoming post to Middlesex University is opened and scanned by our digital document handler, CDS, and then emailed to the recipient. If you do not want your correspondence to Middlesex University processed in this way please email the recipient directly. Parcels, couriered items and recorded delivery items will not be opened or scanned by CDS. There are items which are exceptions which will be opened by CDS but will not be scanned a full list of these can be obtained by contacting the University. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
I did my own analysis for housenumbers in Belgium, but that only took the last person who touched the object into account. The numbers look in the right ballpark for the people I verified. The real algorithm should be: the last person who added the housenumber the object has in the latest version. Thanks for this and best wishes, Jo 2012/12/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Hi, I've made a program that counts how many house numbers someone has added. It uses object history, so it should be able to correctly award the count to the person actually adding the addr:housenumber tag. I don't yet know what will happen with this, but before I make further plans, here's the current list of all accounts that have added addresses, and how many: http://www.remote.org/**frederik/tmp/housenumbers.htmlhttp://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
6137 Looks good for me. I collect a *lot* of addresses simply by walking. Cheers, ingalls On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I've made a program that counts how many house numbers someone has added. It uses object history, so it should be able to correctly award the count to the person actually adding the addr:housenumber tag. I don't yet know what will happen with this, but before I make further plans, here's the current list of all accounts that have added addresses, and how many: http://www.remote.org/**frederik/tmp/housenumbers.htmlhttp://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Frederik - Very cool! My numbers look about right. (probably exactly right. ; ) ) Thanks, Jeff On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:05 PM, nicholas ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com wrote: 6137 Looks good for me. I collect a *lot* of addresses simply by walking. Cheers, ingalls On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote: Hi, I've made a program that counts how many house numbers someone has added. It uses object history, so it should be able to correctly award the count to the person actually adding the addr:housenumber tag. I don't yet know what will happen with this, but before I make further plans, here's the current list of all accounts that have added addresses, and how many: http://www.remote.org/**frederik/tmp/housenumbers.htmlhttp://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/housenumbers.html It would be great if you could find your name on the list and do a quick sanity check in your head whether this looks right or not. According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Frederik Ramm writes: According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k numbers. (Sh! Don't tell Frederik, but I think people imported some quantity of those numbers, and the stars haven't fallen from the sky[1]. For the record, 923 of my addresses were lovingly hand-picked, sanded with 100, then 400 grit, stained, varnished, and mounted on an artesian iron bracket. The other 12,738 were roughly and mechanically inserted, after I had verified that they were about as accurate as doing them all by hand, one at a freaking time.) [1] Yet. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] what to do cues
Are there any tools that can tip users to what they could do in a particular map area? For example, for a given bb(zoomsome min) in a browser window, is there anything that says: - Hey, relative to other (or selected best-practice examples) areas like the one you're viewing, this area has: -- Fewer addresses - learn how to add -- Fewer buildings - learn how to add -- Fewer POIs - learn how to add -- POIs that would normally have buildings, but don't (e.g. schools) -- Zorro Ways - learn how to fix -- There's a park with no trails - learn how to add -- etc. In general, I'm thinking of something that will help new users answer the question, How can I help?, particularly for their local 'hood without sending them to too (too) many off-map web resources. Or even a suggestive OSM Inspector? - Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] what to do cues
On Dec 30, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: Are there any tools that can tip users to what they could do in a particular map area? For example, for a given bb(zoomsome min) in a browser window, is there anything that says: - Hey, relative to other (or selected best-practice examples) areas like the one you're viewing, this area has: -- Fewer addresses - learn how to add -- Fewer buildings - learn how to add -- Fewer POIs - learn how to add -- POIs that would normally have buildings, but don't (e.g. schools) -- Zorro Ways - learn how to fix -- There's a park with no trails - learn how to add -- etc. In general, I'm thinking of something that will help new users answer the question, How can I help?, particularly for their local 'hood without sending them to too (too) many off-map web resources. Or even a suggestive OSM Inspector? Geofabrik has the Inspector tool, which is a bit inside-baseball but does a great job of surfacing a variety of common tagging and geometry problems: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/debug.html?view=geometrylon=-122.29381lat=37.80892zoom=11opacity=0.29 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/debug.html?view=tagginglon=-122.33638lat=47.55957zoom=11opacity=0.29 It'd be interesting to develop code for some of the more wish-listey items you suggest, like parks with no trails or buildingless-POIs. -mike. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] what to do cues
On 2012-12-31 18:54, Jeff Meyer wrote: Are there any tools that can tip users to what they could do in a particular map area? For example, for a given bb(zoomsome min) in a browser window, is there anything that says: - Hey, relative to other (or selected best-practice examples) areas like the one youre viewing, this area has: -- Fewer addresses - learn how to add -- Fewer buildings - learn how to add -- Fewer POIs - learn how to add -- POIs that would normally have buildings, but dont (e.g. schools) -- Zorro Ways - learn how to fix -- Theres a park with no trails - learn how to add -- etc. In general, Im thinking of something that will help new users answer the question, How can I help?, particularly for their local hood the problem with that is that it makes osm rather more conservative than it perhaps wants to be. newbies, who come to the project with less ideas about 'how things are, and how things should be' are one useful avenue for critique of what we do, why and how. steering them into a way which says what we think they can do will possibly decrease that, which would be our loss and theirs the more flippant answer to what they could map would be to suggest they look at the map, then walk round a neighbourhood and record what they think is relevant and not already mapped. all the hints are there already, whenever someone asks me what should i map? i say well, what do you think is important, what matters to you, what interests you?, rather than giving them a list of what i think matters, or what i have been indoctrinated to believe 'should' be on a map -- robin http://universitywithoutconditions.ac.nz - Auckland's Free University ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] what to do cues
You could as On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: On Dec 30, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: Are there any tools that can tip users to what they could do in a particular map area? For example, for a given bb(zoomsome min) in a browser window, is there anything that says: - Hey, relative to other (or selected best-practice examples) areas like the one you're viewing, this area has: -- Fewer addresses - learn how to add -- Fewer buildings - learn how to add -- Fewer POIs - learn how to add -- POIs that would normally have buildings, but don't (e.g. schools) -- Zorro Ways - learn how to fix -- There's a park with no trails - learn how to add -- etc. In general, I'm thinking of something that will help new users answer the question, How can I help?, particularly for their local 'hood without sending them to too (too) many off-map web resources. Or even a suggestive OSM Inspector? Geofabrik has the Inspector tool, which is a bit inside-baseball but does a great job of surfacing a variety of common tagging and geometry problems: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/debug.html?view=geometrylon=-122.29381lat=37.80892zoom=11opacity=0.29 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/debug.html?view=tagginglon=-122.33638lat=47.55957zoom=11opacity=0.29 It'd be interesting to develop code for some of the more wish-listey items you suggest, like parks with no trails or buildingless-POIs. -mike. How about OpenStreetBugs (http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/)? Encourage people to add details of errors and omissions that they have noticed that they can't or don't know how to fix. Then encourage everyone else to take a look there from time to time and fix the things they can. I sometimes use OpenStreetBugs to leave notes for myself. I will make a note of something to do later, then, later, I can go and fix it, or maybe someone else had time to do it instead. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
Hi Frederik, Am Sonntag, den 30.12.2012, 22:53 +0100 schrieb Frederik Ramm: It is quite possible that the program has bugs so if you notice something strange, do mention it. o.k. I'm at the bottom of the list: -680 werner2101 What does the negative number mean? I've not mapped many adresses and would expect 30-50 adresses. But I've done some cleanup work on bad imports in the past (deleting dupes). That one looks strange to: 3490 OSMF Redaction Account I don't think that the redaction bot actively mapped adresses. I'd expect the redaction bot has mapped zero adresses. Regards Werner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers
From: Werner Hoch [mailto:werner...@gmx.de] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] House Numbers That one looks strange to: 3490 OSMF Redaction Account I don't think that the redaction bot actively mapped adresses. I'd expect the redaction bot has mapped zero adresses. In certain scenarios the adding of an address can be hidden by redactions but the address still be clean so the first time the address appears is on the post-redaction version by the bot. It's not particularly common, but the bot touched a lot of data. If you parse the full history planet you won't see cases where the redaction bot removed addresses because they were redacted. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-de] mapnik high res rendering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi hi, On 12/27/12 16:45, Masi Master wrote: Hi, also bei mir funktioniert es... Ahh, du meinst wahrscheinlich den Fehler an den Kachelgrenzen? Da wird manchmal abgeschnitten. ah ich hab mir grad mal ein paar mehr Kacheln rendern lassen ... und jetzt seh ich das Problem ... Mit welcher Einstellung oder Befehl man das unterbindet, weiß ich leider nicht. Aber bei den professionellen Mapnikkarten wird die Kachel einfach mit einem breiten Rand gerendert, der dann wieder Abgeschnitten wird. So dass der Mittelpunkt des Schilds auch auf der angrenzenden Kachel (zwar im Verschnittbereich) liegt, aber so dass das Schild auch dort gerendert wird, und somit das Stückchen Rand dort zu sehen ist. Prinzip soweit verstanden? hm ok ... das setup dafür würde mich intressieren hat jemand ein angepasstes py skript oder sowas? Gruß Tobi Gruß Masi Am 27.12.2012, 10:22 Uhr, schrieb Tobias Hobmeier tob...@antifuse.de: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQ4EySAAoJEEbEq/z9yHoup2MQAIVxTgf3s3hn9erlrwc8EpL0 dSu+cQ2mLQHhqSomFL/8h3PF9DM43UtltKseUlIiXqX72CbdV9BJDY2h160aUXtN KoS0adqZta6Ys/NaN6SVXEUc3hJVHamOlIf/dhAPm/vmyHdCedlZS88/bviXfR6Z zR1zewTRKXeqx4Jvq+k5F178fBzqWmevRl4UhZLARC6ABqI/n1l5vo6rCoeVCvSb xvrdw5UK0Zz7eSLLQSPlyVea61XfunzZq6uelX3BZyXhCcUH5+mBeSk+2/Uajz+5 AhMdnZaJSBC/SqfkCsNZEEudtXUT1N4gXSrYDUzbWKsHj33QY/bQ+aHODVgFKD+P IsEqf7tn2usDIuIM+QkbOxXy4EkuqqVtwWzPzQDxoqk9zy38+ynhUcEPPwB6eXhd uNqjlt/yUluQ+HIvDyUiKXxjcEbXWC5g5W8WdsPZE3nNGPgjlRAlEYtXRQx505I6 wgkGFR4ypmy7w7Afz1zCxhz19J0XEcIKcmJBzWAml3M1p8eBcbPxOyxNdfs5ewoB YoMhq6Y4actceL68uXxPlVXOxvnKzqW1p49+1dWML8NJzW5NcAM3APcy3ZDAuEPx nEaX320gyVITHbsnwye7VbiQn369iZofU0LCaeBrhlSPXl9H2QUKenhUdTYUcB7+ +s8As2B/G6LmFuWnYOnz =qObl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] mapnik high res rendering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/28/12 01:22, Peter Körner wrote: Hi Tobias, Masi, Am 27.12.2012 16:45, schrieb Masi Master: also bei mir funktioniert es... Ahh, du meinst wahrscheinlich den Fehler an den Kachelgrenzen? Da wird manchmal abgeschnitten. Mit welcher Einstellung oder Befehl man das unterbindet, weiß ich leider nicht. Der entsprechende Parameter im Mapnik-XML lautet buffer-size. Sinnvolle Werte wären beispielsweise 64 oder 128. Beispiel: Map background-color=#b5d0d0 srs=srs900913; minimum-version=2.0.0 buffer-size=64 Lg, Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de Hi Peter, ich hab jetzt die buffer-size auf 128 gestellt. Die größe eines meiner Tiles liegt bei 256px. In meinem beispiel hab ich die Wanderwege der Region mit schönen großen keksen versehen 18x18px und rendere sie mit ShieldSymbolizer size=14 fill=#fff placement=line file=symbols;/hike.png spacing=800 minimum-distance=40 fontset-name=bold-fonts[ref]/ShieldSymbolizer in meine Karte. Die Darstellung auf den Tiles ist leider nicht optimal ( http://mac.piffpaffpuff.net/osm/darstellung.png ) oft treten halbe oder 3/4te kekse auf. Hat jemand eine Idee woher das kommt und wie ich das am einfachsten beheben kann? An einer anderen stelle habe ich das problem dass der keks von Wanderweg 1 (relation ref=1) vom Weg des Wanderweges 0 (relation ref=0) überdeckt wird... :-( Gruß Tobias -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQ4IgOAAoJEEbEq/z9yHouKC0P/jlEmVZcf5HJKi74gpUTBUeb yF4ff/PZcvNAyj0/WZs4ajtqhi1ZRjUsMIs3OIGtT7KGqoc4s9Osok37Uxt5Z3jr Mgwmvgl6JN7PxkCyQ6NwpD3GfGmr6OpsEPaenQmwjW2UUJhSHQEAKZqH2l2IigxJ BUD/k78nHPzPWy0wuKdzzDE6r7t6epJhPAlNmNcNmN0/Ii+/aPzZTXiDrjB+Goq7 TvyJpPVFiqs7Ux+n5BXgKihwVEkRVHw+YJuP2rTHfmP65IrcB2/N1BCH0wqC3+GD QHOjY4jeCQCwuWkdH8wckSkHEqHLUtd4JcF5yd7MWC8tlgtfanjPBg0K/t2q2Tm0 ZLhIx/93g4hS3mySbz2x6CrNwKi4tB2lPPD6d6Vj2znP6oXBlr+nxHO8yGkfmvbZ 5u/rW0GZIUW/Wvx1Tq/RvI1t68YUtzTsyTmvn79Q0GUltk0A7uSuahlPYJgr5KKU hmiWO1pwyOMH0zRPXd64kIhRHcVLQi6XEDGmQ+Bue1kJ7jmQK2LAHYqdGotUjhJK xhX3rfS2SwzeVwh4WnKczXrKEEpz85Pc64P+p8G58GhsWDoIbrjFMGt3eMxvT4R9 Xldw+/Ngb8pBnTMdQwN1LWone6nC3Y7ziVm0kpNrb8+9fSEC8aGA2RUJ0TxtfcMb r0BYbES1NYhbqFO1EU6P =eWQ3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] SBAS macht Position schlechter
Hallo, jetzt ist es mir passiert. Ich hatte im Logger SBAS eingeschaltet in einem Gebiet in dem keine Korrekturdaten vorliegen. Der MT3329 im Transystem 747A+ scheint unfähig das zu erkennen. Ich hätte den Teil mit den IGP Masken aus der Spezifikation so verstanden dass der Empfänger das auswerten muss. In meinem Blogpost habe ich einen Screenshot von der Abweichung die sich ergeben hat. http://www.technologyblog.de/2012/12/warum-sbas-fluch-und-segen-zugleich-ist / Ich empfehle nach dieser Erfahrung jedem der seinen Logger mit in den Urlaub nimmt im Zweifelsfall SBAS abzuschalten. Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] R: Aggiornamento dati ortografia strade
Am 30/dic/2012 um 08:31 schrieb Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it: La grammatica della lingua italiana dice questo: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Maiuscolo_e_minuscolo Non mi sembra pertinente, come si legge all'inizio, queste sono regole per la wikipedia italiana: Questa pagina di aiuto regolamenta l'utilizzo di maiuscole e minuscole nel corpo dei testi appartenenti al namespace principale. Per i titoli delle voci puoi adeguarti a questa linea guida, a meno che non si tratti di titoli di opere dell'ingegno (libri, periodici, opere musicali e film di norma hanno un nome proprio), per le quali si segue una linea guida apposita. Trattandosi nel caso di nomi delle strade sempre di nomi propri non si possono applicare regole generiche di grammatica. Ciao, Martin___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: R: Aggiornamento dati ortografia strade
Gli davo affidamento non solo per wikipedia perché in calce al documento compare come riferimento: Luca Serianni; Giovanni Nencioni. http://www.accademiadellacrusca.it/it/lingua-italiana/consulenza-linguistica/domande-risposte/uso-maiuscole-minuscole Uso delle maiuscole e minuscole. http://www.accademiadellacrusca.it/ www.accademiadellacrusca.it Enjoi Beppe Da: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Inviato: domenica 30 dicembre 2012 13:21 A: openstreetmap list - italiano Cc: openstreetmap list - italiano Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] R: Aggiornamento dati ortografia strade Am 30/dic/2012 um 08:31 schrieb Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it: La grammatica della lingua italiana dice questo: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Maiuscolo_e_minuscolo Non mi sembra pertinente, come si legge all'inizio, queste sono regole per la wikipedia italiana: Questa pagina di aiuto regolamenta l'utilizzo di http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiuscolo maiuscole e http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuscolo minuscole nel corpo dei testi appartenenti al http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ns0 namespace principale. Per i titoli delle voci puoi adeguarti a questa linea guida, a meno che non si tratti di titoli di opere dell'ingegno (libri, periodici, opere musicali e film di norma hanno un nome proprio), per le quali si segue una http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Titoli_di_opere_dell%27ingegno linea guida apposita. Trattandosi nel caso di nomi delle strade sempre di nomi propri non si possono applicare regole generiche di grammatica. Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Aggiornamento dati ortografia strade
Il giorno dom, 30/12/2012 alle 08.31 +0100, Giuseppe Amici ha scritto: La grammatica della lingua italiana dice questo: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Maiuscolo_e_minuscolo Egregio Rattorosso, non volermene ma dovrei correggerti nel tuo messaggio come faceva la mia Prof di Italiano con un segno rosso e blu (errore gravissimo): si dice li scrivo e non gli scrivo nel contesto della tua frase. :-) Enjoi Beppe Ok, beccato. Mi auto punisco facendoti notare che nell'altro messaggio ho scritto anche centra senza apostrofo :) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: ******AUGURI A TUTTI*****
Messaggio originale Da: roby...@libero.it Data: 30/12/2012 10.22 A: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: [Talk-it] **AUGURI A TUTTI* Colgo l'occasione per mandare un augurio a tutti Voi per il nuovo anno. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Auguri :) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] Desplazamiento Ortofotos BING vs PNOA
Hola a todos; Tras constrastar Bing y PNOA con el catastro, antes no cargaba, me quedaré con el PNOA como las ortofotos no desplazadas. Ahora el problema que veo es que, aunque corrijamos Ronda con JOSM, cualquier usuario que edite con Potlatch va a borrar o modificar nuestras ediciones. No lo sé, pero ¿no se podría indicar a los desarrolladores de Potlatch que añadan el PNOA? Así evitaríamos errores. Un saludo Óscar (alias cronoser) ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] User FS161820
Hallo! User http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/FS161820 hat in den letzten Tagen in Wien ziemlich viele Objekte angefasst/erzeugt. Hat wer einen Überblick, wer das ist und was er tut? /al ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] User FS161820
Hi, ja, das ist ein Freund von mir, der wohl gerade intensiv seine Ferien mit Mappen verbringt. Ich weiß aber nicht, was er gerade so macht, ein Blick auf die Edits: Häuserblöcke und grüne Innenhöfe zeichnen, Adressranges mappen (in Häuser wär wohl besser..) Ist etwas nicht in Ordnung? LG, Markus On 12/30/2012 01:02 PM, Andreas Labres wrote: Hallo! User http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/FS161820 hat in den letzten Tagen in Wien ziemlich viele Objekte angefasst/erzeugt. Hat wer einen Überblick, wer das ist und was er tut? /al ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-lv] Ceļu surface styleshīts
Jautājums vairāk zinošajiem OSM cilvēkiem. Ja man atrastos pāris dienas paķimerēties ar OSM styleshītu un uztaisīt lai rāda ceļu segumus, tad: A: Kādi ir vizuālie veidi segumu attēlošanai? Man jau personīgi ir pierasts JS stils. Reku OSM tasks par šo tēmu, džeki pat salikuši kopā tādu primitīvu stilu: https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1447 B: kā var kautko notestēt? Tobiš negribu veltīt veselu dienu lai liktu augšā datubāzi, renderēšanas serveri, utt. Viesturs ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-ca] Osmose, Outil de qualité, maintenant disponible pour le Québec
English follows Osmose est un outil de détection d'erreur similaire à Keepright. Il permet de détecter les erreurs et incohérences des données OSM et se présente sous la forme d'une carte OSM avec des info-bulles indiquant les erreurs. À gauche, on sélectionne à partir de la liste de problèmes à détecter. Sur la carte, on clique sur lesinfo-bulles pour éditer directement dans JOSM ou Potlatch. Depuis aujourd'hui, l'outil Osmose couvre le Québec pour l'ensemble des analyses d'erreur. Le reste du Canada est partiellement couvert pour certaines erreurs mais les développeurs de OSM-France m'indiquent qu'il y aurait possibilité d'inclure tout le Canada. La liste des erreurs est mise à jour quotidiennement. voir http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/map/?zoom=10lat=46.49412lon=-72.81377layers=BFFFTitem=level=1,2,3 liste des erreurs http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Osmose/erreurs Pour certaines erreurs détectées par Osmose, telles que les abbréviations ou Espace surnuméraire (deux espaces blancs), vous observerez lors de l'import dans JOSM que la correction proposée est déja effectuée dans l'attribut Name. Lorsque vous avez complété la correction dans JOSM, vous cliquez sur Corrigé dans l'info-bulle de Osmose. Merci aux développeurs de OSM-France pour cet excellent travail. La section Statistiques nous permet de mieux se coordonner, et de voir si certaines corrections pourraient être corrigées automatiquement par un BOT plutôt que manuellement. voir un tableau des erreurs pour le Québec http://beta.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/errors/?country=canada_quebec Tel que déjà discuté sur la liste Talk-Ca, on retrouve un grand nombre d'erreurs qui sont apparues systématiquement lors de précédents imports Canvec. On ne retrouve plus ces erreurs dans les imports récents. Cependant, il nous reste à corriger la base OSM pour toutes les erreurs présentes. On retrouve notamment : lanes=-1 Abbréviations et Noms avec deux espaces (Espace surnuméraire) Ce serait l'occasion de faire la liste des corrections qui pourraient être faites via un BOT. Y-a-t-il des développeurs qui ont l'expertise pour traiter à partir d'un bot et seraient prêts à collaborer? --- Osmose is an error detection tool similar to Keepright. It can detect errors and inconsistencies in OSM data in the form of a map OSM with tooltips. On the left side, we select from the list of problems detected. On the map, the select a tooltip and click to edit directly in JOSM. Starting today, the Osmose tool covers Québec for all error analysis. The rest of Canada is partially covered for some errors but developers of OSM-France tell me that there would be opportunity to include all of Canada. The list of errors is updated daily. see http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/map/?zoom=10lat=46.49412lon=-72.81377layers=BFFFTitem=level=1,2,3 Errors list http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose/erreurs For some errors detected by Osmose, such as abbreviations or Too many spaces, you will notice when importing in JOSM that the proposed correction is already done in the Name Tag. When you have completed the correction in JOSM you click on the Corrected link of the Osmose tooltip to confirm the correction. Thanks very much to the developers OSM-France for their excellent work. The Statistics section allows us to better coordinate, and see if some adjustments could be corrected automatically by a bot rather than manually. see error table for Québec http://beta.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/errors/?country=canada_quebec As already discussed on the Talk-Ca list, there are a large number of errors that have appeared consistently in previous Canvec imports. We do not find these errors in the recent imports. However, we still need to fix the base OSM for the previous errors. We find in particular: lanes = -1 Names abbreviations and with too many spaces This is an opportunity to make a list of corrections that could be made via a bot. Are there any developers who have the expertise to run a bot and are willing to cooperate? Pierre ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Loire-atlantique et GR - Lettre ouverte à la FFRP ?
Bonjour Le 30/12/2012 08:46, piratebab a écrit : Il peut y avoir un intérêt à matérialiser les GR, car sur le terrain, ils sont clairement identifiés. Oui, et c'est leur délégation du ministère de maintenir en bon état la signalétique des GR Mais comme GR est une marque déposée ... Oui, mais pas Chemin/Parcours de Grande Randonnée. Ni « G.R. » car selon la règle grammaticale française, les abréviations utilisant l'initiale de chacun des termes doit être suivi d'un point. Comme déjà indiqué, le GR ne sont que l'assemblage de chemin existants (dans la très grande majorité des cas). Ces chemins sont ouverts au public, donc rien ne nous empêche de les mettre dans OSM (sans l'indication GR bien évidement ). Oui, c'est mon opinion. -- Cordialement David Crochet http://fr.wikiversity.org : Communauté pédagogique libre à laquelle chacun peut prendre part ! http://www.wikimedia.fr : Aidons la diffusion de la connaissance libre ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
Le message suivant de Silmiga-sy: ## Bonjour, Membre depuis avril, je me présente a posteriori. Avec des étudiants, diplômés et enseignants de Géographie du développement sur Paris, nous avons fondé une association cet été. Nous comptons une centaine de membres et de nombreux étudiants partent dans des pays en développement pour 2 à 6 mois chaque année, pays en général moins bien cartographiés que la France, l'Allemagne,... . Nous souhaiterions contribuer davantage au projet OSM. Pouvons-nous créer un compte utilisable collectivement par les membres de notre asso, ou vaut-il mieux créer des comptes personnels ? La première option n'est peut-être pas possible d'ailleurs. A titre personnel et professionnel, je suis surtout intéressé par le Burkina Faso et Madagascar. J'espère que nous pourrons mettre en place quelques formations en 2013 pour apprendre à mieux contribuer sur OSM, voire participer ou organiser quelques carto-parties ou faire du plaidoyer pour libérer des données dans des régions qui en manquent. Solidairement Séb a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
Bonjour, Sans pouvoir te répondre sur le coté technique, il serait préférable d'avoir un compte par utilisateur pour différente raison : - Suivi personnel des modifications afin que l'utilisateur retrouve les siennes simplement ; - En cas d'erreur de saisie, il est préférable d'entrer en contact avec la bonne personne ; - Certaines personne préfère conserver leurs trace GPS privée et d'autre les partages ; - Si plusieurs personne ce connecte simultanément peut être que cela poserai des problème en cas d'envoi de donnée multiple. Par contre libre aux membres de l'association d'indiquer ses modifications sur une page commune ou un site de suivi afin d'avoir un suivi collectif mais là c'est à étudier de façon aboutie pour éviter que le projet soit lourd et contraignant. Le 30 décembre 2012 17:42, fo...@letuffe.org a écrit : Le message suivant de Silmiga-sy: ## Bonjour, Membre depuis avril, je me présente a posteriori. Avec des étudiants, diplômés et enseignants de Géographie du développement sur Paris, nous avons fondé une association cet été. Nous comptons une centaine de membres et de nombreux étudiants partent dans des pays en développement pour 2 à 6 mois chaque année, pays en général moins bien cartographiés que la France, l'Allemagne,... . Nous souhaiterions contribuer davantage au projet OSM. Pouvons-nous créer un compte utilisable collectivement par les membres de notre asso, ou vaut-il mieux créer des comptes personnels ? La première option n'est peut-être pas possible d'ailleurs. A titre personnel et professionnel, je suis surtout intéressé par le Burkina Faso et Madagascar. J'espère que nous pourrons mettre en place quelques formations en 2013 pour apprendre à mieux contribuer sur OSM, voire participer ou organiser quelques carto-parties ou faire du plaidoyer pour libérer des données dans des régions qui en manquent. Solidairement Séb a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
Jo, ce message a été posté sur le forum et est recopié ici (talk-fr) parce que c'est un nouveau sujet ouvert sur le forum. Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Tu peux répondre directement sur le forum, le lien est d'ailleurs mis en bas du message: http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Le 30 décembre 2012 18:11, Jo. perche...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Sans pouvoir te répondre sur le coté technique, il serait préférable d'avoir un compte par utilisateur pour différente raison : - Suivi personnel des modifications afin que l'utilisateur retrouve les siennes simplement ; - En cas d'erreur de saisie, il est préférable d'entrer en contact avec la bonne personne ; - Certaines personne préfère conserver leurs trace GPS privée et d'autre les partages ; - Si plusieurs personne ce connecte simultanément peut être que cela poserai des problème en cas d'envoi de donnée multiple. Par contre libre aux membres de l'association d'indiquer ses modifications sur une page commune ou un site de suivi afin d'avoir un suivi collectif mais là c'est à étudier de façon aboutie pour éviter que le projet soit lourd et contraignant. Le 30 décembre 2012 17:42, fo...@letuffe.org a écrit : Le message suivant de Silmiga-sy: ## Bonjour, Membre depuis avril, je me présente a posteriori. Avec des étudiants, diplômés et enseignants de Géographie du développement sur Paris, nous avons fondé une association cet été. Nous comptons une centaine de membres et de nombreux étudiants partent dans des pays en développement pour 2 à 6 mois chaque année, pays en général moins bien cartographiés que la France, l'Allemagne,... . Nous souhaiterions contribuer davantage au projet OSM. Pouvons-nous créer un compte utilisable collectivement par les membres de notre asso, ou vaut-il mieux créer des comptes personnels ? La première option n'est peut-être pas possible d'ailleurs. A titre personnel et professionnel, je suis surtout intéressé par le Burkina Faso et Madagascar. J'espère que nous pourrons mettre en place quelques formations en 2013 pour apprendre à mieux contribuer sur OSM, voire participer ou organiser quelques carto-parties ou faire du plaidoyer pour libérer des données dans des régions qui en manquent. Solidairement Séb a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
À propos du lien, je ne le trouve pas pratique du tout ! C'est le lien vers le sujet qu'il faudrait mettre, et non juste celui vers la section du forum. Francescu Le 30 déc. 2012 18:22, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Jo, ce message a été posté sur le forum et est recopié ici (talk-fr) parce que c'est un nouveau sujet ouvert sur le forum. Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Tu peux répondre directement sur le forum, le lien est d'ailleurs mis en bas du message: http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Le 30 décembre 2012 18:11, Jo. perche...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Sans pouvoir te répondre sur le coté technique, il serait préférable d'avoir un compte par utilisateur pour différente raison : - Suivi personnel des modifications afin que l'utilisateur retrouve les siennes simplement ; - En cas d'erreur de saisie, il est préférable d'entrer en contact avec la bonne personne ; - Certaines personne préfère conserver leurs trace GPS privée et d'autre les partages ; - Si plusieurs personne ce connecte simultanément peut être que cela poserai des problème en cas d'envoi de donnée multiple. Par contre libre aux membres de l'association d'indiquer ses modifications sur une page commune ou un site de suivi afin d'avoir un suivi collectif mais là c'est à étudier de façon aboutie pour éviter que le projet soit lourd et contraignant. Le 30 décembre 2012 17:42, fo...@letuffe.org a écrit : Le message suivant de Silmiga-sy: ## Bonjour, Membre depuis avril, je me présente a posteriori. Avec des étudiants, diplômés et enseignants de Géographie du développement sur Paris, nous avons fondé une association cet été. Nous comptons une centaine de membres et de nombreux étudiants partent dans des pays en développement pour 2 à 6 mois chaque année, pays en général moins bien cartographiés que la France, l'Allemagne,... . Nous souhaiterions contribuer davantage au projet OSM. Pouvons-nous créer un compte utilisable collectivement par les membres de notre asso, ou vaut-il mieux créer des comptes personnels ? La première option n'est peut-être pas possible d'ailleurs. A titre personnel et professionnel, je suis surtout intéressé par le Burkina Faso et Madagascar. J'espère que nous pourrons mettre en place quelques formations en 2013 pour apprendre à mieux contribuer sur OSM, voire participer ou organiser quelques carto-parties ou faire du plaidoyer pour libérer des données dans des régions qui en manquent. Solidairement Séb a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
2012/12/30 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Jo, ce message a été posté sur le forum et est recopié ici (talk-fr) parce que c'est un nouveau sujet ouvert sur le forum. Si vous ne voulez plus voir de réponses sur cette liste, il suffit d'arrêter de renvoyer les messages du forum ici Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
Cela a déjà été signalé plusieurs fois. Mais bon... Le 30 décembre 2012 18:29, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : À propos du lien, je ne le trouve pas pratique du tout ! C'est le lien vers le sujet qu'il faudrait mettre, et non juste celui vers la section du forum. Francescu Le 30 déc. 2012 18:22, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Jo, ce message a été posté sur le forum et est recopié ici (talk-fr) parce que c'est un nouveau sujet ouvert sur le forum. Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Tu peux répondre directement sur le forum, le lien est d'ailleurs mis en bas du message: http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Le 30 décembre 2012 18:11, Jo. perche...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Sans pouvoir te répondre sur le coté technique, il serait préférable d'avoir un compte par utilisateur pour différente raison : - Suivi personnel des modifications afin que l'utilisateur retrouve les siennes simplement ; - En cas d'erreur de saisie, il est préférable d'entrer en contact avec la bonne personne ; - Certaines personne préfère conserver leurs trace GPS privée et d'autre les partages ; - Si plusieurs personne ce connecte simultanément peut être que cela poserai des problème en cas d'envoi de donnée multiple. Par contre libre aux membres de l'association d'indiquer ses modifications sur une page commune ou un site de suivi afin d'avoir un suivi collectif mais là c'est à étudier de façon aboutie pour éviter que le projet soit lourd et contraignant. Le 30 décembre 2012 17:42, fo...@letuffe.org a écrit : Le message suivant de Silmiga-sy: ## Bonjour, Membre depuis avril, je me présente a posteriori. Avec des étudiants, diplômés et enseignants de Géographie du développement sur Paris, nous avons fondé une association cet été. Nous comptons une centaine de membres et de nombreux étudiants partent dans des pays en développement pour 2 à 6 mois chaque année, pays en général moins bien cartographiés que la France, l'Allemagne,... . Nous souhaiterions contribuer davantage au projet OSM. Pouvons-nous créer un compte utilisable collectivement par les membres de notre asso, ou vaut-il mieux créer des comptes personnels ? La première option n'est peut-être pas possible d'ailleurs. A titre personnel et professionnel, je suis surtout intéressé par le Burkina Faso et Madagascar. J'espère que nous pourrons mettre en place quelques formations en 2013 pour apprendre à mieux contribuer sur OSM, voire participer ou organiser quelques carto-parties ou faire du plaidoyer pour libérer des données dans des régions qui en manquent. Solidairement Séb a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
Le 30 déc. 2012 à 18:44, Pieren a écrit : 2012/12/30 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Jo, ce message a été posté sur le forum et est recopié ici (talk-fr) parce que c'est un nouveau sujet ouvert sur le forum. Si vous ne voulez plus voir de réponses sur cette liste, il suffit d'arrêter de renvoyer les messages du forum ici…. C'est un moindre inconvénient de voir des réponses mal aiguillées que de manquer de répondre de manière pertinente aux nouveaux arrivants sur OSM. Après, on a le choix entre faire la remarque du mauvais aiguillage sur la liste ou en privé. Mieux vaut faire confiance à l'intelligence des participants : s'ils savent écrire sur une mailing liste , ils savent explorer un forum. Christian ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
Tient c'est original, je n'avais pas du tout fait attention que ça pouvait venir du forum... je ferait attention les prochaines fois. J'ai posté de nombreuse question sur le forum, mon pseudo est percherie Je suis en train de me rendre compte que la mail liste est plutôt dédié à des questions de fond et bien poussé sur OSM et le forum est plutot pour les questions plus courante et surtout pour les nouveaux arrivant comme moi. Renvoyer les nouveaux sujet du forum vers la liste permet d'avoir une grande réactivité sur le forum. Quand je suis arrivé sur le forum, je trouvait étrange qu'une petite communauté soit si réactive, surtout que ce n'était pas toujours les même personnes qui répondait et c'est ça qui m'a séduit = ne pas être seul pour démarrer. Je vais donc plutôt poster mes questions sur le forum et suivre les discutions sur l'avenir d'OSM sur la liste. Le 30 décembre 2012 19:04, Christian Rogel christian.ro...@club-internet.fr a écrit : Le 30 déc. 2012 à 18:44, Pieren a écrit : 2012/12/30 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: Jo, ce message a été posté sur le forum et est recopié ici (talk-fr) parce que c'est un nouveau sujet ouvert sur le forum. Si vous ne voulez plus voir de réponses sur cette liste, il suffit d'arrêter de renvoyer les messages du forum ici…. C'est un moindre inconvénient de voir des réponses mal aiguillées que de manquer de répondre de manière pertinente aux nouveaux arrivants sur OSM. Après, on a le choix entre faire la remarque du mauvais aiguillage sur la liste ou en privé. Mieux vaut faire confiance à l'intelligence des participants : s'ils savent écrire sur une mailing liste , ils savent explorer un forum. Christian ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Présentation - disposer d'un compte collectif ?
Le 30 décembre 2012 23:11, Jo. perche...@gmail.com a écrit : Tient c'est original, je n'avais pas du tout fait attention que ça pouvait venir du forum... je ferait attention les prochaines fois. J'ai posté de nombreuse question sur le forum, mon pseudo est percherie Je suis en train de me rendre compte que la mail liste est plutôt dédié à des questions de fond et bien poussé sur OSM et le forum est plutot pour les questions plus courante et surtout pour les nouveaux arrivant comme moi. Renvoyer les nouveaux sujet du forum vers la liste permet d'avoir une grande réactivité sur le forum. Quand je suis arrivé sur le forum, je trouvait étrange qu'une petite communauté soit si réactive, surtout que ce n'était pas toujours les même personnes qui répondait et c'est ça qui m'a séduit = ne pas être seul pour démarrer. Je vais donc plutôt poster mes questions sur le forum et suivre les discutions sur l'avenir d'OSM sur la liste. Tu as bien saisi l'articulation entre forum et mailing list et ça marche plutôt bien. J'ai d'ailleurs mis en évidence le forum sur le site web openstreetmap.fr avec la liste des derniers sujets ouverts dans ce but. Cela permet d'y amener de nouveaux contributeurs ou visiteurs qui pourraient être découragés par une liste de diffusion (procédure d'abonnement lourdingue, volume des messages incontrôlable, discussions plus intenses, etc). -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-ja] iD alpha0
OSMの次期WebエディターのiD、アルファ０版が ２２日リリースされています。 HTML5/Javascript技術によるWebでのOSM編集ツールの本命です。 腕に覚えのある方も、ないけど興味のある方、お試しあれ。 国際化、地域化、日本語化はまだまだされていません。 今後、日本からも参加サれる方が増えることを期待しています。 ライブで試すこともできます。 http://geowiki.com/iD/#?map=18.00/35.63284/139.88046 三浦 Original Message Subject:[OSM-dev] iD alpha0 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:24:54 -0500 From: Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org To: d...@openstreetmap.org Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.devel Hey all, Happy to announce that early tomorrow we're tagging an alpha0 release of iD for testing development: http://mapbox.com/osmdev/2012/12/22/alpha0/ As you all know, creating an editor is a very big effort and there's still a long way to go. What this mostly means is that we're happy with this set of features being good for an alpha release series, working on stability, and then adding a lot of great stuff (powerful presets) when we enter beta. On a technical level, it also means that development is shifting from our intense-but-enjoyable regime of working in the master branch to working in feature and bugfix branches and trying to keep master in a continually-improving state. And that we are, as much as ever, excited for any new contributors to join. A big thanks to Saman, John, Alex, Richard, Martin and more for their work towards this point. Tom ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] アイランド・マッピングの後方支援募集！
いいだです。 大島のアイランドマッピング、地味に参加しています。 北西部の建物を中心に描いていますが、 先日ついに、ゴルフ場に手を染めてしまいました。。。(^^; http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.78962lon=139.38429zoom=17layers=M 砂浜、灯台、田畑に水路、森林、港湾、工業地域など、 「あれーこのタグなんだったっけ？」と調べながら描いています。 今回の大島だと、道路に並木がかぶさっているようでどこが道路か判別しづらいのですが、 そこは実際に現地に行ってからのお楽しみなのかなー、と思っています。 フェリールートがまだぜんぜん書かれていないので、 船便のルートは書きたいですねー。 2012年12月29日 0:08 Toshikazu SETO t...@lt.ritsumei.ac.jp: 瀬戸です。 以前、関さんからご案内のあった伊豆大島での アイランド・マッピングに向けて有志で準備を進めています。 現時点で企画している概要は以下のURLを御覧ください。 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Izuoshima_mapping_party_20130119 観光協会や町民の方を交えたマッピング・パーティは 1/19・20に実施予定ですが当日は時間も限られるので、 事前にアームチェアマッピングとして ひと通りOSM経験者が書いておきたいと考えています。 現状、大島の地図はかなり要素が書き込まれていますが 建物・道路のBingや、基盤地図情報25000のトレースを介して まだ書き込める要素がありそうです。 お正月にお時間のある方、ぜひ事前マッピングへのご参加 よろしくお願いいたします。 明確に分担は決めていませんが、編集の競合を避ける手段としてMapcraftを使ったcakeを作成してみましたのでご活用下さい。 http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/203 なお、これを機に我が島でもという方がおられましたら ぜひ伊豆七島をはじめまだまだ白地図は残っているので 同様にご参加ください。 Hal Seki h...@georepublic.co.jp wrote: 関です。伊豆大島でマッピングパーティを開く件、概要が固まって来ました。 1月19（土）、20（日）を使って、大島でのマッピングパーティ＆アイデアソンを行います。 アイデアソンは、防災や観光に役に立つサービスについて考えます。 予定としては、 1月19日（土） 08:30 竹芝発 10:30 大島着 11:00 会場集合 〜18:00 レクチャー＆フィールドワーク＆（マッピング or アイデアソン） 大島防災について、気象庁の防災担当の方からのレクチャーやフィールドワーク、マッピングなどを行います。 （マッピングとアイデアソンのバランスをどうするかも含め、内容はこれから詰めます。） 18:00〜19:00 中間発表 懇親会の後、大島宿泊 1月20日（日） 09:00〜11:00 マッピング or アイデアソン 11:00〜12:00 成果発表、質疑など 12:00 終了 14:40 大島発 16:25 竹芝着 というのを考えております。伊豆大島の観光協会も協力いただいているので、ネット環境もバッチリです。 主催は大島になると思いますが、大島からの受託を受けて三菱総研及び弊社が作業しています。 その委託費の中から若干の予算が使えますので、マッピングの運営をお手伝いいただける方であれば、4名まで大島へご招待できます。（宿代とフェリー代の実費をお支払いします。） お手伝いいただける方は私まで御連絡ください。（希望者多数の場合は当方で調整させていただきます。） 運営側としてお手伝いいただかない場合も、一般参加も可能なイベントですので、アイランドマッピングにご興味のある方は、伊豆大島の観光も兼ねて、是非遊びにきませんか。 当日は大島のネイチャーガイドや気象庁の防災担当の方から、伊豆大島案内もしていただける予定です。 申込みページなどがオープンになった際には改めて御連絡させていただきます。 -- 位置情報連動型ビジネス調査報告書2012 発売中 http://r.impressrd.jp/iil/geo-location2012 ※著者割引で20%引きになります Georepublic Japan 代表社員/CEO 関 治之 http://georepublic.co.jp/ 〒151-0071 東京都渋谷区本町3-24-14 Skype: hal_sk 2012/11/19 Taro Matsuzawa t...@georepublic.co.jp こちらのMLには初めて投稿させて頂きます、 Georepublic Japanの松澤です。 # たぶんbtmだとかsmellmanだとか組長だとか # もじら組に居たあいつとか言えばわかる人は多いと思いますw 今日の夜中に投稿していたんですが、メアドを間違っていたため投稿できなかっ たので再送します。 今伊豆大島に来ています。僕は関さんの会社で、 伊豆大島でどこのドコドコ経由の仕事とかは言えませんけど(K-OFで話したのは オフレコですよ)、Localwikiを通じて情報発信の仕組み作りをしています。 # ついでに4sqとinstegramを併用して伊豆大島の美味い飯テロをしてますw とりあえずGARMINのなんちゃらを適当に動かしていますが、 マッピングには慣れてないので実感を少し。 1. Bing雲の問題は結構でかいです。 土地柄、地図で中心となってるのが火山関係なんですが、 そこら辺が雲がかかってるので付きあわせをするとわかりづらくて、 せめて三原山の周辺だけでも雲が無いようにしたいです。 # 伊豆大島の中心は三原山なんだけど、それで検索すると一瞬何もないよう に映るケースがあったりします 2. 見えないかもしれない道 移動していて結構「椿の間」を通る道があって、航空写真からだと見えない かもしれないっていうのが実感としてあります。 今回ロガーをちゃんと回せたので、あとで照らしあわせて結果を報告します が、わりとそんな地形は多いらしく、一緒に活動してる人曰く、 「Googleマップで近くを通ってる２つの道があるけど、そこを歩くと実は小 さい道で２つの道が繋がってて面白い！」 という話がありました。 あと、他の人も「椿のトンネルを通ってみたら先に民家があって行き止まり だった」というのもありました。 アームチェアマッピングでできるところもいっぱいあります(弊社のDanielは 岡田港あたりをマッピングしてます)が、 現地を見てわかるところも結構ある気がします。 3. インポートデータ 若干古いのもありました。 ただ、古い道路をちょっとだけ削りつつ新しい道路を繋げてる場所があって 編集で頭がパンクしてます(汗 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.69807lon=139.38191zoom=15layers=M ここは道が２つになっていますが、インポートした方は道がすでに無くなっ ています。ただし、中途半端に残っていたりします。 4. 面白い観光資源について 今日現地の高校生と取材をしていて、伊豆大島で唯一の動物園に行って来ま した。 面白いのが柵となるところにまず人が入れるようになるというゾーンがかな りありました。柵に入ると路上なのに孔雀が飛んできて我が物顔で居座ったりと か、他の動物園とは全然違うものがありました。 あと、前面バリアフリー化がされていて、でも細かく階段があったりして細 かく地図にできたら面白いなっていう感じもありました。 ではでは。 (2012/11/18 13:05), Satoshi IIDA wrote: いいだです。 Localwikiと聞いてｗ 伊豆大島、Bingの解像度も高めなので、そのままでも かなり細かいところまでアームチェアマッピングできる気がしています。 雲がかかっている部分が散見されるので、そこらへんがわかればもっと嬉しい、かな？ Yahoo/ALPSデータもインポート済で 既に主要道路は描かれていてるようですが、 細かい道路がまだ描かれていなかったりしていますので、描くのは楽しそうです。 2012年11月12日 23:06 Hal Seki h...@georepublic.co.jp: 東さん ものすごい偶然なのですが、今当社で伊豆大島の観光に関するオープンデータベース作りを仕事で請けています。 LocalWikiを使ったサイト構築をしているのですが、ベース地図にOSMを使っています。Google Maps は伊豆大島はあまり細かくなかったのが幸いしました。 実は話の流れで、伊豆大島で観光・防災オープンデータハッカソン＆マッピングパーティを一泊二日で来年やりたいという話になっています。 1月19日（土）・20日（日）が今のところ候補になっています。 現在地元のネイチャーガイドや高校生に、LocalWikiにデータを入れて貰うワークショップを開いているのですが、その方達をマッピングパーティにお誘いすることもできると思います。 観光協会とも連携しているので、会議室なども使えると思います。 また、大島町が保有している、高分解能の航空写真を提供してもらえるかもしれず、今交渉中です。 まだ色々詰めているところなので、詳細決まり次第御連絡いたしますが、是非ご協力いただければと思います。 -- 位置情報連動型ビジネス調査報告書2012 発売中 http://r.impressrd.jp/iil/geo-location2012 ※著者割引で20%引きになります Georepublic Japan 代表社員/CEO 関 治之 http://georepublic.co.jp/ 〒151-0071 東京都渋谷区本町3-24-14 Skype: hal_sk 2012/11/12 ribbon o...@ns.ribbon.or.jp On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:01:42PM +0900, Shu Higashi wrote: ＜場所＞ ・広すぎず、狭すぎず、徒歩や自転車で一日で回れる程度の面積 ・どちらかといえば南寄り 例：隠岐、小豆島、神津島 ＜日程＞ ・繁忙期は避けたい ・土日＋１日有休の２泊３日程度 ・集合、解散は非同期でOK 例：2013/5/25(土)-26(日)をコアに前後＋１日 伊豆諸島は比較的利便性が良いと思いますが、手頃な所では 伊豆大島、どうでしょうか。船、飛行機どちらでも到達できますし。 島そのものは大きいのですが、元町とか、住宅地や商業地も ありますし。 伊勢志摩あたりも島がいくつかありますね。島内宿泊できる 所もありますが、LANは分からないなあ。ただ、伊勢志摩は 土日に、それなりのホテルに泊まると高いです。 ただ、リアス式海岸にある島なので、歩ける/自転車走行 可能な所は狭いと思います。遠目に見てもそんな感じでした。 瀬戸内海でしたら、直島などいかがでしょう。大きさは手頃ですし、 LAN設備がある民宿もあるようです。POIになりそうな施設もありますし。
[Talk-GB] Fwd: Footpath segmentation
Several UK local authorities have released their Public Right of Way data under a Open Data license Barry Cornelius has been doing a great job of collating the data sets here http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/ I have been processing these into UTF Grids at Google Zooms 13-15 to use for route creation aiding on my hike/bike/... route planning site here http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.h … oz=8gt=1http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.71242566072326lon=-1.3943651810922883gz=15oz=8gt=1 Press the Wand button (top left tool bar rightmost) then the Route button (bottom left tool bar, leftmost). You can then click e.g. along the Thames path building the route you want. Off PROW points, e.g. along a road, are included if no PROW is highlighted when you click. The PROW assistance can be toggled on / off at any time. On clicking a PROW it is linked to the existing route by its end nearest to the end of the route. When starting a route with a PROW, the end of the PROW nearest the click is used as the start. You can use use Right-Click to rub out route points from the end of the route. If you pick the wrong path. Fortunately the released PROW data has a pretty good and consistent segmentation treatment with each path segment, between junctions with other paths and roads, being a separate feature. As some of the honeypot counties like Cumbria have not (yet) released PROW data, I have been attempting to use OSM path data for those areas. Unfortunately I find that the OSM path data has a wildly varying segmentation treatment. At Troutbeck, near to Windermere, you will find a very long path that goes all up Troutbeck, over Thornthwaite Crag, Froswick, Ill Bell and Yoke and then to the Garburn Pass. This path is OSM is way 27577503 in cumbria.osm from http://download.geofabrik.de/openstreet … n/england/ . http://download.geofabrik.de/openstreetmap/europe/great_britain/england/Such a long path is not very useful for off road routing as it has many junctions with other paths along its length. I have had to implement a simple segmentation algorithm before using the OSM path data for route aiding. You should be able to see the segmentation as you mouseover the above path on my test page here http://ukprow.appspot.com/map/prow_test.htm I would be interested to hear how council released prow data has / has not been used within OSM to add to or replace existing contributed path data. Hants and Devon have released PROW data but sadly many of the paths in the New Forest and Dartmoor are not PROW (black dashes on the OS 1:50K). It would be good to use a blend of OSM and council data in such areas but I am unsure how to avoid duplicate paths if there are paths in OSM not tagged as PROW. Of course the best solution to all this would be for OS to release a national path data set as Open Data. Bill Chadwick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] When is a police station not a police station?
Evenin' all, Like most forces Hampshire Constabulary is trying to save money and one of their initiatives has been to reduce the number of police stations. My local station is one of those affected by the cuts and while the building is still in use for parking patrol cars and has the odd plod in residence all public facing services have been transferred elsewhere. I'm now left wondering what the most appropriate tagging is: * amenity=police - duck tagging, after all it does have a sign saying police station outside. Perhaps with counter=no, public=no, or some-such. * building=police, operator=Hampshire Constabulary - Perhaps better in light of the fact that it's no longer a directly accessible public amenity. Has anyone else dealt with this before? What did you do? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
Hi, On 30.12.2012 04:23, Michael Patrick wrote: The point being, is that every locale is going to have features (and combinations of features) to give contest to some user's activity or use. And for that individual or community of users, if that feature(s) can't be added or isn't present, the map is 'broken'. OSM is a giant geodata editor, NOT a giant one-stop map making toolkit. Geodata that must be surveyed, edited, corrected by many eyeballs is usually well suited for OSM. So if these low and high water lines of which you speak benefit from the knowledge of locals (or frequent users of those waterways/areas), if they can be, and are, surveyed by amateurs, then I guess it would be a good idea to include them in OSM. If, on the other hand, these low and high water lines are defined/recorded elsewhere (probably even in a legally binding form if they are relevant to some statue), and the only reason you want them in OSM is because you don't have the means, knowledge, or patience to actually retrieve that data from elsewhere and have it drawn into your map, then you advocate abusing OSM as a third party data distribution vehicle. OSM is for crowdsourced data; that is OSM's strength - that hundreds of thousands of people can actually improve, edit, fix the data, and that is something you can't achieve by downloading a shape file from your county's GIS department. OSM's strength is definitely not collecting all the third-party geodata in the world that someone might find useful and load that into a common database so that people who want to make maps have easy access to such data. OSM is not designed for that. If you wanted to design a system that does something like this, you would build something other than OSM, something where the strength is storing (and finding) vast amounts of third-party geodata without the capability to edit, and therefore without much of the bells and whistles (or ballast!) that OSM with its mapper/survey centric architecture has. For example, you'd simply upload a shape file with a million house geometries to the storage server, instead of painstakingly converting it to ways and nodes and slicing it into changesets of no more than 50k objects and adding source tags to everything etc - you'd just say here's this shapefile, this is what the columns mean, this is the extent and then everyone who wants those houses on their map can simply switch that layer on. OSM is not that system, and therefore it is not surprising that people who want such a system are often told to look elsewhere. If it's hiking / snow shoeing, while 10 ft contours would be overkill, the 500ft, 1000ft, 1500ft, 2000ft, etc. are critical because weather warnings are broadcast according to those levels. I'm not sure if we're maybe talking different things. I'm all for cartographic freedom and experiments, and of course anyone can and should make any map they want, and have access to all the data they could possibly want. All I'm saying is that OSM is *one* ingredient in a map maker's toolbox, and of course he'll have other sources to get his height contours from and use them. It's just that it would be nice to have height contours on a map is no reason for including height contours in the OSM database. Adapting the some parts of the map content local conditions would seem to meet this philosophy, but I have been detecting a refrain that if it doesn't fit some current 'x-y-z' tradition / theme, go do it 'elsewhere'. There's nothing against someone creating a map that shows height contours in one area, high and low water lines in another area, parcel boundaries in a third, and mugging hotspots in a fourth. In fact I would be thrilled to see such a map with regional variations. However, these are challenges of map making (rendering). We're certainly not going to import height contours in some areas just because a map maker can't figure out how to make height contours appear in that area only! To give you another example - we've often talked about feature density and rendering rules. Pubs are shown only on zoom level 16 and above, because if you were to show them on 14 or 15, the typical city centre would be nothing but pubs. However, in a rural area where only one of four villages even has a pub, it would be very helpful to have that shown at zoom level 14! This is a cartographic challenge, not a data challenge; we're not going to delete the smaller inner-city pubs in our database, and we're not going to add a render_at_z14=true tag to the sole village pub either. It is the map maker's job to get that right. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If, on the other hand, these low and high water lines are defined/recorded elsewhere (probably even in a legally binding form if they are relevant to some statue), and the only reason you want them in OSM is because you don't have the means, knowledge, or patience to actually retrieve that data from elsewhere and have it drawn into your map, then you advocate abusing OSM as a third party data distribution vehicle. I think people's patience is frayed a bit, so let me try to rephrase what some of the people who are against this type of import are saying: OSM is not data repository, it's a dataset onto itself. Through years of experience, and trial and error, we have found that importing these external datasets does not help the project in most cases. Therefore we propose different solutions to some of the problems. Where imported data can be used to aid mappers, we recommend making imagery available either for tracing, or as a visual aid for surveyors. For places where the data is not observable by amateurs, then the solution appears to be to to create data mashups. OSM is for crowdsourced data; that is OSM's strength - that hundreds of thousands of people can actually improve, edit, fix the data, and that is something you can't achieve by downloading a shape file from your county's GIS department. But you can (and are encouraged) to use OSM data alongside your county's data (in ways that comply with all applicable license agreements). OSM's strength is definitely not collecting all the third-party geodata in the world that someone might find useful and load that into a common database so that people who want to make maps have easy access to such data. Other projects exist which attempt this, some commercial, and some not. These projects work differently than OSM, and folks wanting this are encouraged to use those resources. OSM is not that system, and therefore it is not surprising that people who want such a system are often told to look elsewhere. This may seem unfriendly at first, but it's a bit like being upset at your dog for being unable to fly, or yelling at a bird for being unable to breathe under water. The communities around Free geodata are varied, and it doesn't make sense for one project to try to do and be everything, but rather to work off the strengths of each project, and see here collaboration makes sense. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
Hi, On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: OSM is not data repository, it's a dataset onto itself. Through years of experience, and trial and error, we have found that importing these external datasets does not help the project in most cases. Therefore we propose different solutions to some of the problems. I don't think this is the majority view. - Imports are officially allowed. We have a process defined for doing them well. - Steve Coast, the project founder, just three months ago asked for a crazy huge import for addresses. - For where I map (basically one town) 95% of the data was imported by others. I am perfectly happy about it. There is still tons of mapping to do. - If you watch the user stats page, imports are happening every single day from all over the world. - The wiki has over 400 pages devoted to imports, many of them focused on specific import projects. When 98% of the data in US was already imported, it seems a kind of late to be even having this discussion. It is really absurd to ask people who are are interested in imports to go someplace else, when imports are a huge part of the map in the US (this is talk-us right?), have been for a long long time, are happening every single day, are officially allowed, have the support of the majority of the people in the project, and our founder just three months ago asked for a new huge import for addresses. Nobody should be getting asked to leave over this issue. In 2009, the open space layer from MassGIS was imported in Massachusetts. Most of the landuse=conservation in the state come from this import. I started mapping this year, noticed the problems, and decided to fix it. I used my local knowledge (I am a member of one of the local conservation groups), bing images, walking around, talking/emailing my neighbors, and the MassGIS L3 parcel data. None of these sources are 100% correct. The authoritative parcel data is not available to OSM because of a bad license my town uses. I did my best to synthesize what I think is the most complete and accurate map of the conservation land. It has been a ton of work figuring this all out (10x more work than the building import). As far as I know, OSM is only place to get this information with a good/liberal license. I think that most (but not Frederik!) people in the project would agree that this is a net improvement to the map. I would also like to point out, I was *not* looking for a huge heated conversation about the scope of OSM, pushing people off to other projects, etc when I posted my question. It was just a couple of very small questions about data that has been in the db since 2009. I am frustrated that my thread was taken over like this. We should rename this mailing list import-fighting-us-plus-frederik. Bye Jason. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: OSM is not data repository, it's a dataset onto itself. Through years of experience, and trial and error, we have found that importing these external datasets does not help the project in most cases. Therefore we propose different solutions to some of the problems. I don't think this is the majority view. - Imports are officially allowed. We have a process defined for doing them well. We don't, actually (just because there's a page on the wiki doesn't make it official or defined). This is a source of much frustration and one of the reasons why Serge has brought together a group of interested parties to work on such a thing. - Steve Coast, the project founder, just three months ago asked for a crazy huge import for addresses. Steve says lots of crazy things in order to move OSM forward. Importing addresses from reliable sources is one of his least crazy ideas. :) When 98% of the data in US was already imported, it seems a kind of late to be even having this discussion. It is really absurd to ask people who are are interested in imports to go someplace else, when imports are a huge part of the map in the US (this is talk-us right?), have been for a long long time, are happening every single day, are officially allowed, have the support of the majority of the people in the project, and our founder just three months ago asked for a new huge import for addresses. Nobody should be getting asked to leave over this issue. I don't think anyone is being asked to leave. We are asking people to be careful about the data they dump into OSM. Some data doesn't belong in the OSM dataset. In 2009, the open space layer from MassGIS was imported in Massachusetts. Most of the landuse=conservation in the state come from this import. I started mapping this year, noticed the problems, and decided to fix it. I used my local knowledge (I am a member of one of the local conservation groups), bing images, walking around, talking/emailing my neighbors, and the MassGIS L3 parcel data. None of these sources are 100% correct. The authoritative parcel data is not available to OSM because of a bad license my town uses. I did my best to synthesize what I think is the most complete and accurate map of the conservation land. It has been a ton of work figuring this all out (10x more work than the building import). As far as I know, OSM is only place to get this information with a good/liberal license. I think that most (but not Frederik!) people in the project would agree that this is a net improvement to the map. Using external data to improve OSM is great. Adding park/conservation area boundaries based on a combination of local knowledge, aerial imagery, and stuff like the MassGIS data is great. On the other hand, when you string importing and parcel data together in the same sentence you're setting off all sorts of alarms because a) importing has historically implied adding crappy OSM data. Even seasoned users like myself have done a piss poor job (e.g. the county borders or some NHD stuff) and b) parcel data implies tens of thousands of abutting polygons (which means they need to be 'glommed' and multipolygon 'relationified'), a huge glut of useless data added to the database, and complaints from users who use editors that aren't designed to handle data density. I would also like to point out, I was *not* looking for a huge heated conversation about the scope of OSM, pushing people off to other projects, etc when I posted my question. It was just a couple of very small questions about data that has been in the db since 2009. I am frustrated that my thread was taken over like this. We should rename this mailing list import-fighting-us-plus-frederik. To be fair, you asked a very open-ended question and had a very (inadvertently) bait-laden subject line. Your original question was what should the exact criteria be for including an 'open space' parcel in OSM? and I think your answer is that there shouldn't be exact criteria. As frustrating as it is sometimes, there aren't exact criteria for anything in OSM. Having said that: you should map things that are verifiable by another mapper on the ground (parks, schools, hospitals, named open spaces) and you should not import generic parcel data. You agreed with that in your second sentence, but there were plenty of messages in this thread talking about it :). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
I am very sympathetic to what I sense to be Jason's (and Michael's and others') frustrations. It's quite clear there are a *very* large number of imports that have contributed to the body of data that is OSM (Incomplete list here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Import). Hopefully, this frustration hasn't gone to waste. : ) I think this thread has generated some thoughtful commentary (see: Ian's statements below a great email off-thread that Serge sent me) that I hope will be integrated into DWG-sanctioned guidelines for imports. For those not on imports@, I've sent a separate note to the DWG asking for clarification on where to look for their guidelines. - Jeff On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Your original question was what should the exact criteria be for including an 'open space' parcel in OSM? and I think your answer is that there shouldn't be exact criteria. As frustrating as it is sometimes, there aren't exact criteria for anything in OSM. Having said that: you should map things that are verifiable by another mapper on the ground (parks, schools, hospitals, named open spaces) and you should not import generic parcel data. You agreed with that in your second sentence, but there were plenty of messages in this thread talking about it :). -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
There sure is a huge amount of imported data in OSM, but I don't see what's frustrating about distinguishing between useful and not-useful data imports. What we've been discussing here is what sort of data should be imported and if it's useful. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: I am very sympathetic to what I sense to be Jason's (and Michael's and others') frustrations. It's quite clear there are a *very* large number of imports that have contributed to the body of data that is OSM (Incomplete list here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Import). Hopefully, this frustration hasn't gone to waste. : ) I think this thread has generated some thoughtful commentary (see: Ian's statements below a great email off-thread that Serge sent me) that I hope will be integrated into DWG-sanctioned guidelines for imports. For those not on imports@, I've sent a separate note to the DWG asking for clarification on where to look for their guidelines. - Jeff On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Your original question was what should the exact criteria be for including an 'open space' parcel in OSM? and I think your answer is that there shouldn't be exact criteria. As frustrating as it is sometimes, there aren't exact criteria for anything in OSM. Having said that: you should map things that are verifiable by another mapper on the ground (parks, schools, hospitals, named open spaces) and you should not import generic parcel data. You agreed with that in your second sentence, but there were plenty of messages in this thread talking about it :). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
What's frustrating about distinguishing between useful not useful data imports is that there isn't much information available on the wiki other documentation about how to distinguish between the two. At least, I haven't been able to find much of the good information that's in the minds of the old-timers and the comments of this thread on the wiki or other documentation. So... people can take the time to come up with what they think is a good idea, to go looking for guidance, to follow what guidelines are available, to prep data, to find what seem to be relevant comparable past imports, and then be told in email that what they've been working on is unacceptable. I think this problem is fixable by transferring this knowledge onto the web pages, which is what some of us are trying to do with the wiki. In the mean time, I'm saying it can be frustrating to follow every rule you can find and then to be told you're still doing something incorrectly. FWIW, I'm also sympathetic to the frustrations of people who end up cleaning up after the imports that do go awry. - Jeff On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: There sure is a huge amount of imported data in OSM, but I don't see what's frustrating about distinguishing between useful and not-useful data imports. What we've been discussing here is what sort of data should be imported and if it's useful. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: I am very sympathetic to what I sense to be Jason's (and Michael's and others') frustrations. It's quite clear there are a *very* large number of imports that have contributed to the body of data that is OSM (Incomplete list here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Import). Hopefully, this frustration hasn't gone to waste. : ) I think this thread has generated some thoughtful commentary (see: Ian's statements below a great email off-thread that Serge sent me) that I hope will be integrated into DWG-sanctioned guidelines for imports. For those not on imports@, I've sent a separate note to the DWG asking for clarification on where to look for their guidelines. - Jeff On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Your original question was what should the exact criteria be for including an 'open space' parcel in OSM? and I think your answer is that there shouldn't be exact criteria. As frustrating as it is sometimes, there aren't exact criteria for anything in OSM. Having said that: you should map things that are verifiable by another mapper on the ground (parks, schools, hospitals, named open spaces) and you should not import generic parcel data. You agreed with that in your second sentence, but there were plenty of messages in this thread talking about it :). -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: What's frustrating about distinguishing between useful not useful data imports is that there isn't much information available on the wiki other documentation about how to distinguish between the two. At least, I haven't been able to find much of the good information that's in the minds of the old-timers and the comments of this thread on the wiki or other documentation. I think we've relied on the OSM principle of map what others can verify on the ground to define what is acceptable to import. In general, most data is acceptable to import when properly discussed and reviewed, but in this particular case we all got crazy because parcel data apparently means many different things to different people and (at least in my view) it's almost universally not something that belonged in OSM. So... people can take the time to come up with what they think is a good idea, to go looking for guidance, to follow what guidelines are available, to prep data, to find what seem to be relevant comparable past imports, and then be told in email that what they've been working on is unacceptable. The seventh step of the imports checklist is to discuss your plans with the mailing list. This is really quite early in the process and if it puts people off from contributing to OSM then I don't think we really want their import to happen anyway. I think this problem is fixable by transferring this knowledge onto the web pages, which is what some of us are trying to do with the wiki. I hope that the working group Serge is spearheading will generate a document (preferably not on the wiki) describing how to move forward with imports in our community. In the mean time, I'm saying it can be frustrating to follow every rule you can find and then to be told you're still doing something incorrectly. As I said before, if the community's concerns about your import put you off from contributing it to OSM, then you should seek help to improve it or continue doing local surveying instead of being completely put-off from OSM as a whole. FWIW, I'm also sympathetic to the frustrations of people who end up cleaning up after the imports that do go awry. The old-timers are loud when it comes to imports because OSM has had *very few* imports that work and we've had to deal with them all. Whether its my crappy county lines import (abutting polygons need to be broken apart and turned into relations), extraneous data (useless source data leaking in to OSM tags), over-noding (over-digitized but not necessarily accurate source data), improper licensing, improper interaction with the OSM API, or any number of other problems that arise, it's very hard to pull off. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
Serge Wroclawski writes: Steve suggested we need addresses. He didn't ask for a crazy huge import. Well, he kinda did. The TIGER data has addresses. The original import didn't include them. We *could* triple the size of the data in the USA by creating address ways alongside the TIGER ways. Eventually we will triple it, if only by hand. The real question about this import (which is technically feasible), is whether we can fix the errors with less effort than it will take to input them by hand. Speaking as someone who has done importing and hand editing, I think we should do the import ... of course only in areas where there aren't already addresses. When 98% of the data in US was already imported, it seems a kind of late to be even having this discussion. The common wisdom around OSM is that if we had vast areas of emptiness, people would have sprung into action to create a useful map. My experience went the other way: I looked at the emptiness and said Geezums, we have the TIGER data, why don't we start with that?? And as much as I curse the darkness of TIGER inaccuracy, I've found it easier to light a light using the TIGER data. work on Free geodata an imports, that you might be happier working on something like CommonMap, which has a different approach than OSM CommonMap is defunct. As for this fighting, I see very little fighting. I see a lot of passionate arguments being made. Yup. Oh, and about the parcel data? It's too big for the value it creates. I say this precisely because I created import files for Oneida County's parcels, and ... it was too big for the value it created. It's more useful as an overlay, like you see at http://tile.osm.osuosl.org/tiles/ny_oneida_parcels_2008/preview.html#14/43.1839/-75.4517 -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-12-29
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-12-29 Map to visualize what each file contains: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-12-29/kml/kml.html FAQ Why did you do this? I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-12-29 Can or should I seed the torrents? Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a 2GB file. Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. This might not happen forever, and if you would like your non-US area to get included, let me know. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM
On Dec 30, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Serge Wroclawski writes: Steve suggested we need addresses. He didn't ask for a crazy huge import. Well, he kinda did. The TIGER data has addresses. The original import didn't include them. We *could* triple the size of the data in the USA by creating address ways alongside the TIGER ways. Eventually we will triple it, if only by hand. The real question about this import (which is technically feasible), is whether we can fix the errors with less effort than it will take to input them by hand. Speaking as someone who has done importing and hand editing, I think we should do the import ... of course only in areas where there aren't already addresses. There are some other angles to this. * One, is this: Can we expect to reasonably map the United States with addressing in a reasonable amount of time? Fred wrote an oblique blog post hoping that we will. That addressing is just like any other dataset that at first looked too hard (I don't know, footpaths or whatever). That is, it will get done quicker than you think. Fred lives in Germany and day-to-day finds a very different culture to the one I live in though. For example, mapping parties suck in the US because people drive and therefore don't go for a beer. We found this time and again. The culture has taken an age to mature here compared to Germany. The per-capita mapping is far lower than in Germany. Fred would probably say, Stallmanesque, that our ideals are more important than skipping ahead and doing an import. That even if it takes another 20 years to get it all done, we should wait since that way we would be doing it the 'right' way. For some definition of 'right'. The problem is that the anarchic-libertarian ideals that have worked so well at those German stamtisch are just not working here, or in a bunch of other places. Therefore I don't see why each country or state (i.e. Mass. and their own imports) can't have it's own solution which reflects the cultural realities there. As people have been pointing out here, it's kind of a false starting point /anyway/ since everything in the US practically started as an import anyway. So we can noodle with what reasonable amount of time means. To me, it means yesterday since this has already been going on far too long. * Another is, the threat of importing crappy TIGER ranges is motivating people to go look at available county data. That is fantastic. So as Ian alluded to pushing the conversation forward is itself a motivator * The most important though is to look at the realities of where we are. OSM is the third-largest crowd-sourced map behind Google and Waze. Fred will jump in and say it isn't a competition and to a degree that is true. However the world is changing. It may be soon (say 1-5 years) that there aren't just three crowd sourced maps of the world, but there are ten. Or twenty. Your computer-illiterate relative really doesn't care what map they use, they just care that it is up to date. It's arguable that they will therefore go use the map that came with their car or their phone and contribute to that. There is enough spare attention in the world to easily sustain 10 or 20 global crowd sourced maps. Skip back to Wikipedia. It took off by being both the place to contribute text (input) and also to read it (output). We've given up on the output part, that is the project thus far makes the website output (map style, user experience) useful to mappers and that's it. It's looking essentially impossible to break the core culture around how osm.org is built, maintained and operated but for the few highly-technical, competent and hard-working people who control it. Just look at the last major update, swapping one JS library for another JS library to show map tiles. It's technically elegant but it's completely irrelevant for, say, making the website easier to use, report a bug, get help or whatever. I digress. The point is that we don't have the feedback loop that wikipedia did. Our output is intermediated by the hundreds of sites and apps which use OSM. We gave up on the output side, Wikipedia did not. And, incidentally, neither has Waze or Google. The leap of faith you're asked to take is that wikipedia succeeded because it was free and open. I'm really not sure that's true. I wonder what would happen if we could rewind the clock and have Britannica or Encarta build similar websites back in 2002, or whatever. Would they have failed? I suspect not, actually. Just look at how Google and Waze have not failed. Tying this together, I posit that to be bigger than just the worlds third-largest crowd-sourced map we have to a) be quick b) import data where we have failings and c) fix the output stage and tie it back to the input to fix the imports as required. iD is a nice start, but potlatch has been nice enough for a long time. The issues are much plainer and in other
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Proposed import: Alaska Boroughs/CPDs
The first question is what is appropriate consultation, and that will vary on a case by case basis with the type of data, complexity of import, type of object being imported, where it's being imported, existing data, experience of importer, feedback received, etc. I missed adding the link to the appropriate wiki page in the catalogue. It was supposed to part of my pre-import checklist, but got missed. The import was from an account dedicated to imports. There are also some CanVec imports on the same account. I re-organized my accounts somewhat. Being on the DWG I do a very large number of reverts so my account situation is complicated. Most people don't have that issue. From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:10 AM To: Toby Murray Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk Subject: Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] Proposed import: Alaska Boroughs/CPDs Paul - I'm grateful for your efforts here. I'd like to use this import as a test case for further discussing our current import guidelines and policies. In particular: - Is 3 days a suitable duration for reviewing proposed imports? - Should there be an entry for this import on the Import Catalogue page? - Should the Alaska import use a separate account from other imports you've coordinated? Yes, these q's may sound a little snarky (hopefully in a friendly way ; ) ), but I am sincerely interested in resolving answers to these questions so we can help clarify guidance moving forward. (my take on the answers are: no (2 weeks minimum), no (that page is a disaster), and no clue.) Thanks, Jeff On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Proposed import: Alaska Boroughs/CPDs Given that the comments received have been generally positive and the concerns raised are addressed I'm going to go ahead and start post- processing the data so I can merge it in as well as figuring out how the heck to identify all the existing imported borough/CPD boundaries, all tagged differently. Completed successfully. Because the boundaries are now much less nodey the boundaries went from about 170k nodes to 25k nodes. I added wikipedia=* and website=* tags as applicable. Wikipedia tags should help Nominatim determine importance when there are two places with the same name. As most states aren't adding counties at the rate that Alaska has added boroughs I doubt it'll come up again but I documented the SQL I used to identify and delete the existing boundaries without conflicts on deleted nodes at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Alaska/TIGER_Counties. Thanks for cleaning this up. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
