[OSM-fi] OpenStreetMap - karttojen Wikipedia, to 10.6.2010 klo 18 Tampereella
(in English below) *Fellowship-tapaaminen Tampereella* Paikkatietoasiantuntija Jukka Rahkonen kertoo miten omalla GPS-laitteella voi osallistua OpenStreetMapin parantamiseen sekä miten OSM-aineistoja hyödyntää omien OGC-standardin mukaisten karttojen ja palveluiden tekemiseksi. Tilaisuuden järjestää Euroopan vapaiden ohjemistojen säätiö (http://www.fsfe.org). Tilaisuus on ilmainen ja avoin kaikille. Jotta voimme mitoittaa tarjoilun, toivomme osallistujien ilmoittavan tulostaan etukäteen osoitteeseen finl...@fsfeurope.org, mutta ilmoittautuminen ei ole pakollista. http://www.vapaasuomi.fi/Kalenteri/OpenStreetMap_-_karttojen_Wikipedia *Fellowship meeting in Tampere* GIS-expert Jukka Rahkonen tells about the OpenStreetMap-project and how you can contribute to it with your own GPS-device and how you can use OSM-data to make your own maps and GIS-services that comply with the OGC-standards. Admission to the event is free. No registration is required, but if you plan to attend, please drop us a line at finl...@fsfeurope.org. https://wiki.fsfe.org/Tampere 2010-06-10 -- Otto Kekäläinen [] o...@fsfe.org Finnish Team Coordinator[][][] GPG/PGP 0xB7F7E4E1 Free Software Foundation Europe || +358 44 566 2204 http://www.fsfe.org/ finl...@fsfe.org ___ talk-fi mailing list talk-fi@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fi
[Talk-hr] pravne zavrzlame
Tko ne prati problematiku neka svakako baci oko pošto je Nails dosta upucen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Matija%20Nalis/diary/10855 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mnalis#Plans -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [talk-ph] better ways to coordinate coastline mapping?
Excellent! I updated the wiki page to indicate your progress. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Coastline_Corrections#Priorities FYI, I also finished Bohol and Panay. I am starting Samar Island (offline for the moment in order not to break anything). The hard ones are Mainland Mindanao and Palawan. Any takers? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: I have just finished the entire eastern coastline of Mindoro. Wondering when they will appear at mapnik? Wasn't there a way to request for re-rendering? Or was that for Osmarender? Use the osmareder to view updates. Update to Mapnik coastlines less frequent. The last update was Wed Apr 14 13:19:17 UTC 2010 http://hypercube.telascience.org/~kleptog/last_update.txt anyway, will work on the western part naman this weekend cheers On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: This is via JOSM/WMS Landsat, right? Just the other week, I have done some Agusan coastlines near Cabadbaran City. Ok, I will take Mindoro now ... cheers On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:10 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: The first proposed priority is to focus coastline mapping to the 10 largest islands and then move on to the next. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Coastline_Corrections#Priorities I expected lower figures, but it seems we have great coverage already for the top 10 largest islands! - Leyte is almost complete (major work by axk?) - Luzon and Cebu almost there - Bohol will probably take just a few more hours - major work needed for Mindoro, Negros, Samar, Palawan, Panay and Mainland Mindanao Choose you island now after this batch (goal is to finish by end of June 2010), we can move on to the 10 or 20. Anyone up for the challenge? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?
-- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Potential-huge-License-violation-anyone-know-anything-about-this-tp5132343p5134100.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?
So, in summary: - No attribution - Is a derived work released under Copyright I assume this hasn't been cleared and 'waived' by someone at OSM? Where can we go from here? I think that in cases where we can prove such a 'mistake' we should send them a letter and clearly indicate their wrong behavior. In addition we should put a sentence that they can make donation to OpenStreetMap and the community forgets about the mistake. Otherwise the OSMF might take further legal actions. From my experience I can tell that most companies would be willing to pay a reasonable amount as it would take away the risk of bad press. In the end the outcome would be best for both parties where the impact and severity of the mistake is low or medium (I wouldn't consider it a huge violation as in the header. For me a huge violation is when another make maker steals OSM data). In cases where a company gains a financial advantage from a breach of license I think legal actions would be appropriate and should definitely be taken. I think this is important as many companies are already watching what happens in case of a severe violation to OSM data. If nothing happens many companies might take advantage... Regards, Oliver -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Potential-huge-License-violation-anyone-know-anything-about-this-tp5132343p5134658.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?
Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: In addition we should put a sentence that they can make donation to OpenStreetMap and the community forgets about the mistake. Otherwise the OSMF might take further legal actions. You mean as in Dear Mr President, I've got this photo showing you in bed with another man, here's my bank account where you can make a donation, in which case I will forget about it... ... unless I need more money later in which case I might again remember? Honestly, what you're suggesting smacks of blackmail. I do not doubt for a second that it will work in some cases but I consider it morally inacceptable, *especially* because every single contributor is entitled to take legal action, so even if the accused paid up nobody in the world can guarantee that he would not get sued, or get bad press. (I'm not sure in how far this might change with the proposed license change; if the license change puts OSMF in the sole position of being able to sue then yes, OSMF could say they won't sue in exchange for payment but I would still consider this questionable, not least because it would mean that if they decline to pay we'd have to sue which I'd like to avoid.) In cases where a company gains a financial advantage from a breach of license I think legal actions would be appropriate and should definitely be taken. I think this is important as many companies are already watching what happens in case of a severe violation to OSM data. If nothing happens many companies might take advantage... I am very skeptical of legal action. If someone really takes the piss then yes, perhaps, but it must never come to OSMF being a fundraising machine for lawyers. Legal action can very quickly cost more than everything else we do, and I would hate to be in a project whose main activity, according to the balance books, is paying lawyers to sue people. Legal action must be the exception, not the norm, and reserved for really big cases. There is so much murky and questionable legal action going on around copyright and maps, and it must never come to people being fearful of using OSM because they fear the legal consequences of misstepping. Also, if we start threatening to sue people then we also need to set up proper advice for users (if you follow these rules then we won't sue you), and be prepared to answer questions (I want to do X. Is that allowed?) with something other than Dunno, ask a lawyer, and we might still sue you later. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?
Dear Mr President, I've got this photo showing you in bed with another man, here's my bank account where you can make a donation, in which case will forget about it... ... unless I need more money later in which case I might again remember? Honestly, what you're suggesting smacks of blackmail. It is a completely different story. The reason behind the action is stop others from repeating the mistakes. If you just ignore every case without consequences you fill in a blank cheque for the rest of world. You normally see roughly 100 hundred post in a mailing list in case of a misuse but not action towards the guys who were misbehaving. I think this is one of the big weaknesses of OSM: it is very good at arguing in the group but not at taking it to the outside world. There needs to be a process to educate the market. It does not help anybody to show the frustrations in mailing list. And if you have a better proposal for education then please come up with it. I am very skeptical of legal action. If someone really takes the piss then yes, perhaps, but it must never come to OSMF being a fundraising machine for lawyers. Legal action can very quickly cost more than everything else we do, and I would hate to be in a project whose main activity, according to the balance books, is paying lawyers to sue people. If that is needed to prevent OSM from exploiting then - yes - there might be fundraising machine for legal support. However, I have not intention to artificially blow it up. I just want to create a situation where people are aware that abusing OSM data leads to consequences so that is becomes a trade-off like not buying a ticket for train. Regards, Oliver -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Potential-huge-License-violation-anyone-know-anything-about-this-tp5132343p5135013.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?
Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: I just want to create a situation where people are aware that abusing OSM data leads to consequences so that is becomes a trade-off like not buying a ticket for train. If too many people use the train without paying then the operator will go bust. If too many people use OSM without attribution then...? Don't get me wrong, as long as we have this license we should insist on people following it, if only to respect our work. But by making comparisons like the above you're already playing what I like to call the music industry game, which is neatly illustrated here: http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/piratebay_header.jpg Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?
2010/6/3 Phil Monger phil...@gmail.com: I want OSM to be used in this way, but properly - and with according advantages given to end users. Companies *need to know* they cannot assert copyright over the mapping they take in this way. +1 cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:52:25 -0700 (PDT), Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: If I'm mapping I try and keep nodes intact and edit the tagging to preserve the ID and history, but there are cases where this can't happen. Another example where ID and history are lost is when we change items from single nodes to areas, as we get higher resolution photo maps (like NearMap) or more accurate GPS / inertial positioning devices. Recently I have been deleting nodes and recreating them as areas for playgrounds, tennis courts, swimming pools, etc. Apart from the loss of ID and history, this also affects clients such as Mapzen POI Collector. Once a point of interest is no longer a single node, Mapzen does not consider it as a point of interest or allow it to be edited. It even disappears from the map entirely for several weeks, until Mapzen's base layer is re-rendered to show the area. Does anyone have a good solution for this? Keep the node (not because of the ID, but because of the POI meaning) and add the area as a non-named area with only tags to indicate usage. Optionally add them all in a relation. That way you keep the POI for POI collectors, you can use the POI to position the name on the map and still have the site visible as an area on the map. Other solution: have POI collectors rewrite their code to consider areas too (and use the average location of all points in the area as the POI location). I must say I have not always mapped according to the first rule myself. But IMHO this is a point that needs discussing, for the POI collector's sake. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 3 June 2010 16:07, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Keep the node (not because of the ID, but because of the POI meaning) and add the area as a non-named area with only tags to indicate usage. Optionally add them all in a relation. That way you keep the POI for POI collectors, you can use the POI to position the name on the map and still have the site visible as an area on the map. Other solution: have POI collectors rewrite their code to consider areas too (and use the average location of all points in the area as the POI location). I must say I have not always mapped according to the first rule myself. But IMHO this is a point that needs discussing, for the POI collector's sake. Even if you did map for the POI collectors they still need to take into account POIs added as areas by others, so it seems like poor coding not to deal with POIs as areas in any case. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
Hi, here is a humble suggestion, instead of giving *everything* unique id, we might focus on making some form of permalink that is usable upon request. Like for wikipedia articles etc, that we can link to and be relatively sure that the link will still be there. Some form of watch tool that would inform the user that the permalink he created is broken. It would be easier to maintain a list of don't break me links than to rework the whole system. mike On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:19 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2010 16:07, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Keep the node (not because of the ID, but because of the POI meaning) and add the area as a non-named area with only tags to indicate usage. Optionally add them all in a relation. That way you keep the POI for POI collectors, you can use the POI to position the name on the map and still have the site visible as an area on the map. Other solution: have POI collectors rewrite their code to consider areas too (and use the average location of all points in the area as the POI location). I must say I have not always mapped according to the first rule myself. But IMHO this is a point that needs discussing, for the POI collector's sake. Even if you did map for the POI collectors they still need to take into account POIs added as areas by others, so it seems like poor coding not to deal with POIs as areas in any case. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 3 June 2010 16:26, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, here is a humble suggestion, instead of giving *everything* unique id, I didn't actually mean everything in that sense, for example the nodes on a road don't all need unique IDs nor should they get them, but at the same time a single node might need 2 unique IDs, one for the building and one for the business occupying the building. In any case I think I mixed up 2 issues in the one email, that is assigning objects unique IDs and then distributing those unique IDs on stickers as a kind of PR/advertising exercise. To cover the first issue about using/assigning unique IDs against OSM objects, I've written a wiki page with some initial thoughts on the subject: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/UUID As for promotion, I'll leave that till UUIDs are sorted. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:19 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 3 June 2010 16:26, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, here is a humble suggestion, instead of giving *everything* unique id, I didn't actually mean everything in that sense, for example the nodes on a road don't all need unique IDs nor should they get them, but at the same time a single node might need 2 unique IDs, one for the building and one for the business occupying the building. At the end, you just translate a lat/lon + tag to a number when you can simply request a tag by its lat/lon to an appropriate api. The unique ID already exists, it's the osm_id. Why should we recreate the wheel ? But it's true that the ID is not permanent and cannot really be trusted. URL's in Wikipedia have the same issue. What about trying to improve the persistence of the ID by using a similar mechanism : when an editor sees that a node has been replaced by another node or polygon with the same meaning (or set of tags), it could insert a kind of #REDIRECT into the removed object redirecting to the new osm_id Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 3 June 2010 17:56, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: At the end, you just translate a lat/lon + tag to a number when you can simply request a tag by its lat/lon to an appropriate api. This doesn't cover the case of where a business moves... The unique ID already exists, it's the osm_id. Why should we recreate the wheel ? But it's true that the ID is not permanent and cannot really be You answered your own question... trusted. URL's in Wikipedia have the same issue. What about trying to improve the persistence of the ID by using a similar mechanism : when an editor sees that a node has been replaced by another node or polygon with the same meaning (or set of tags), it could insert a kind of #REDIRECT into the removed object redirecting to the new osm_id This doesn't work because not every object needs a unique ID, some objects need multiple unique IDs and some objects need to share the same unique ID, or create a relation and use the unique ID on the relation, although this could be another method to tag similar/same objects without needing to use a relation. Redirecting won't be effective in the example I listed on the wiki page of a building having a unique ID and a tenant having a unique ID and the tenant moving to a new building, the unique ID can follow the tenant but not effect the existing building information like address. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Apart from the loss of ID and history, this also affects clients such as Mapzen POI Collector. Once a point of interest is no longer a single node, Mapzen does not consider it as a point of interest or allow it to be edited. It even disappears from the map entirely for several weeks, until Mapzen's base layer is re-rendered to show the area. Does anyone have a good solution for this? When I was working on the POI collector roadmap it was always the intention to interpret point of interest areas as well as point of interest nodes. I'm not sure if any such areas are being dealt with yet - the idea was to synthesize a POI in the middle of the area to let you change the tags, but not change the geometry. We'd need an update from one of the CloudMade team. Feel free to keep converting nodes into areas when you feel it's appropriate. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: Software goes on, brain goes off...
talking of annoying . has this thread not been to death?! -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of John Smith Sent: Wed 02/06/2010 15:16 To: Anthony Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; Nick Whitelegg Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: Software goes on, brain goes off... On 3 June 2010 00:15, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: They could always require people to log in. Or require people to log in if they want to put up with the annoying terms and conditions only once. This woman is claiming she wasn't warned the route might be bad, so to ensure that people don't forget they agreed to view the warning only once, everyone will be forced to view it every time regardless. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: This doesn't cover the case of where a business moves... What external applications need from OSM is a persistent ID for persistent objects. If a business moves, then use a yellow page application to find the new address. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 3 June 2010 19:39, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: What external applications need from OSM is a persistent ID for persistent objects. If a business moves, then use a yellow page application to find the new address. Businesses are only one application, I'm not sure what 3rd party sites are using OSM IDs but Flickr and osmfuel.org are 2 that I know of and every time some new use for OSM IDs occur people always seem to comment about why it's such a bad idea to use OSM IDs, I'm trying to come up with a better suggestion. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
To find the official name of the street you can ask the local authority or whichever body is responsible for naming streets. They may also promise to update the street signs in due course. In the meantime put the correct data in OSM, together with a note citing the response you received. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SahanaCamp and Workshop - July 2010 - Delhi, India
I just want to second that the Sahana crew is great. They are interested in collaborating between the OSM Humanitarian tagging scheme and Sahana. The idea being to bridge between the two systems to utilize Sahana to track things that wouldn't be put in OSM (things like people for example). RELIEF is a quarterly exercise in the U.S. were different projects get together to collaborate. This was discussed and worked on at the previous one a couple months ago. Thanks, Kate On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: Hi all, If there are any OSM members in the sub-continent, I recommend this event. Sahana makes heavy use of Open Street Maps, and GIS systems in general. It's a great framework for developing applications in the humanitarian disaster response domains. I'm sure many of the participants would be interested in collaborating. My best, Tim McNamara -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Howden michael.how...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:20 PM Subject: [Sahana-user] SahanaCamp and Workshop - July 2010 - Delhi, India To: sahana-u...@lists.sourceforge.net, Sahana developers' list sahana-main...@lists.sourceforge.net, sahana-e...@googlegroups.com UPCOMING EVENTS: - SahanaCamp 2nd - 5th July 20100 For Programmers and Web Designers who are interested in building Information Technology Solutions for Disasters and Development Sahana Workshop Information Technology Solutions for Disasters and Development 3rd July 2010 For people working for NGOs/UN/Government/Other Agencies and others interested in Information Technology Solutions for Disasters and Development Location: Sarai-CSDS 29 Rajpur Road Civil Lines Delhi - 110054 India Cost: FREE Applications: Spaces are limited. Applications close 14th June. Sahana Workshop: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHkwMEs0QzZmcnQ4YlVHMFR5U1JB ZXc6MQ SahanaCamp (includes Sahana Workshop): http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG9IcHJ6SlNCWG5COTFfbUVaSExW R1E6MQ Sahana --- Sahana is a Free and Open Source Disaster Management System which was started in Sri Lanka after the 2004 Tsunami. It is a web based collaboration tool that addresses the common coordination problems during a disaster from finding missing people, managing aid, managing volunteers, tracking camps effectively between Government groups, the civil society (NGOs) and the people affected by disasters. www.sahanafoundation.org Details Sahana Workshop is a one day event which will provide an introduction to how information technology can be used to assist organisations working in disasters and development. It will include opportunities to share experiences and lessons learned with others who have worked in this area. You'll get hand on experience using the Sahana Eden (http://eden.sahanafoundation.org/) platform which was deployed in response to the Earthquake in Haiti and includes SMS and Mapping technologies. Finally, you'll have the opportunity to share your real world needs for information technology solutions to provide input for the future development of Sahana. SahanaCamp is a four day long intensive event, for programmers and web designers who are involved or interested in helping organizations working in Disasters and Development. You will be introduced to programming in Python on the Sahana Eden Rapid Application Development (RAD) platform. You will be developing real solutions to meet real needs such as Logistics, Organisational Management and Mapping or according to your needs. You'll be working aside members of the core Sahana Eden development team, who will be there to support and encourage you along. SahanaCamp would be ideal for programmers and web designers who are developing solution for Disasters and Development organizations. Participants are expected to have existing programming or design skills (and will certainly learn some new ones during the camp!). Venue -- Sarai is a programme of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, (CSDS) one of India's leading research institutes with a commitment to critical and dissenting thought and a focus on critically expanding the horizons of the discourse on development, particularly with reference to South Asia. We are a coalition of researchers and practitioners with a commitment towards developing a model of research-practice that is public and creative, in which multiple voices express and render themselves in a variety of forms. www.sarai.net For more information, please contact mich...@sahanafoundation.org or visit http://wiki.sahanafoundation.org/doku.php/community:sahanacamp. Could you please share this invitation amongst your networks and with other who may be interested. Regards Michael Howden mich...@sahanafoundation.org --
[OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
Hi, for the first time, this week's .osm.bz2 planet has an eleven-digit size (10026036818 bytes). That's up 20% from beginning of the year. In 2007, we had an 88% increase in the same time span; in 2008 it was 36%, and in 2009 it was 19%. Of course these numbers say little since we had numerous large imports, format changes, and even changed the bz2 implementation along the way. The uncompressed XML file ist just a few bytes short of 150 GB. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] transhumance routes
In Spain there is a large network of historic transhumance routes (cañadas or Viás Pecuarias http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%ADa_pecuaria) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumance) that we have started a discussion about how to tag. So far we are creating relations that link the various bits of path, track and road that make them up (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vias_Pecuarias_de_España). However we need consensus on how to tag them, since they are an international feature - primarily, what to call them. In England they are called 'drovers' roads' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drovers'_road) en Australia 'stock routes', USA 'cattle trail', French 'chemin de transhumance'. Any suggestions on what to call them. route= transhumance could be a more academic solution, route='livestock' a bit more agricultural. In some countries transhumance is still a practice, so the routes are 'live'. In Spain they are historic, but many exist and are a point of controversy between landowners and ecologists/historical right of way people. James -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] transhumance routes
On 3 June 2010 23:34, James Stewart j.k.stew...@ed.ac.uk wrote: In England they are called 'drovers' roads' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drovers'_road) en Australia 'stock routes', USA 'cattle trail', French 'chemin de transhumance'. When in doubt people usually opt for the UK english terms, in this case it also seems to be the shortest, the important thing is to properly document what you do more than the specific term you use. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:26 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, here is a humble suggestion, instead of giving *everything* unique id, we might focus on making some form of permalink that is usable upon request. Like for wikipedia articles etc, that we can link to and be relatively sure that the link will still be there. Some form of watch tool that would inform the user that the permalink he created is broken. It would be easier to maintain a list of don't break me links than to rework the whole system. mike Okay, here's a plan. I took some of the detail from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/UUID but adapted it a bit: *From the URL for any node/way/relation (or lat/lon pair) one can click on a button make permanent link. *The node/way/relation gets tagged with uuid=*, where * is generated using an algorithm expected to create a universally unique id (I'll let someone more expert determine how, but I was thinking some sort of hash on the xml of the feature itself plus the time). If a lat/lon pair is created then a new node is created with that uuid. *A wiki page is set up where http://domain/wiki/UUID has text, links, and a slippy map. The slippy map highlights the element which has the UUID. The text is meant to be brief - only enough to uniquely identify the thing (perhaps the description text could even be duplicated in a uuid_description tag). Links would be used for the actual interesting data about the thing. *If more than one element points to the same UUID, this is an error - use a relation if you want to do this. *Mappers are encouraged to check http://domain/wiki/UUID before deleting or repurposing nodes/ways/relations. *A bot goes through regularly checking for additions, deletions, drastic changes, duplicate UUIDs, etc., and adds them to a list for people to manually check/fix. *All external sources are encouraged to point to UUIDs, not to the element id. Please note that I've abandoned the functionality of having multiple uuids on a single element (e.g. uuid:building and uuid:shop). I felt that this overcomplicates things from the standpoint of someone clicking on make permanent link - they shouldn't have to know anything about the internal workings of OSM and I want to maintain the flexibility to tag *anything*, not just a predetermined list of things. I suppose this could be allowed for advanced users who want to do things by hand, but it's not in this plan. Anthony ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Please note that I've abandoned the functionality of having multiple uuids on a single element (e.g. uuid:building and uuid:shop). Hmm, on second thought, maybe that's not such a hot idea. There might be two different stores which are combined into one, and obviously we'd want to keep both uuids (otherwise they wouldn't be permanent). Still, I'd prefer uuid=1;2;3 to uuid:*=*. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 4 June 2010 00:07, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: *The node/way/relation gets tagged with uuid=*, where * is generated using an algorithm expected to create a universally unique id (I'll let someone more expert determine how, but I was thinking some sort of hash on the xml of the feature itself plus the time). If a lat/lon pair is created then a new node is created with that uuid. This is why I included links to RFC 4122, this already covers generating UUIDs in a standard way and that way we avoid trying to reinvent the wheel, plus there is already UUID libraries. *A wiki page is set up where http://domain/wiki/UUID has text, links, and a slippy map. The slippy map highlights the element which has the UUID. The text is meant to be brief - only enough to uniquely identify the thing (perhaps the description text could even be duplicated in a uuid_description tag). Links would be used for the actual interesting data about the thing. This wiki page could also contain a list of existing references IDs from import sources, that way if you know the source and the ID from the source you can find the OSM UUID. Please note that I've abandoned the functionality of having multiple uuids on a single element (e.g. uuid:building and uuid:shop). I felt that this overcomplicates things from the standpoint of someone clicking on make permanent link - they shouldn't have to know anything about the internal I disagree, lets call shop and building UUID tag types, when you want to create a unique ID and only one of these UUID tag types exists it simply gets added as uuid=* or uuid:UUID tag type=*, alternatively if there is multiple a dialog could simply ask which UUID tag type they wish to add, similar to other JOSM preset dialogs. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
To extend Anthony's idea slightly further it might be useful to create a bot script that if you want a UUID for an object in the OSM DB, it can tag the object with a new UUID and return that, or simply return the any existing UUIDs, this would take care of things like Flickr/osmfuel/wikipedia needing to find out the UUID if they get a node/way/relation ID. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 4 June 2010 00:20, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Hmm, on second thought, maybe that's not such a hot idea. There might be two different stores which are combined into one, and obviously we'd want to keep both uuids (otherwise they wouldn't be permanent). This may require multiple relations against a single node or area otherwise you won't know which uuid would apply to which store. Still, I'd prefer uuid=1;2;3 to uuid:*=*. The benefit of sub-tagging instead of tag stuffing is it is more efficient for things to parse. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: What external applications need from OSM is a persistent ID for persistent objects. If a business moves, then use a yellow page application to find the new address. I'm sorry to jump into this thread from hell, but you've touched on a question that's been unclear to me from the beginning of this discussion, which is What does an permanent object mean? A common thing for me to do as a mapper is manually collect POIs while walking, upload them, and then later, using sources like imagry, get rid of my nodes and replace them with ways (eg buildings). So is the permanent object the node? Is the permanent object the POI? What if the POI moves? If I tag the public library as a POI node, then do a building trace, that's one POI- but what if the library moves (as my local library is planning on doing). Does that permanent object move with the library, or does it stay with the building? - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 4 June 2010 00:38, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry to jump into this thread from hell, but you've touched on a question that's been unclear to me from the beginning of this discussion, which is What does an permanent object mean? There are no permanent objects in OSM, some just last longer than others. So is the permanent object the node? Is the permanent object the POI? What if the POI moves? If I tag the public library as a POI node, then do a building trace, that's one POI- but what if the library moves (as my local library is planning on doing). Does that permanent object move with the library, or does it stay with the building? That ended up the point of this thread, figuring a method to tag any object, doesn't matter if it's a node or a way or an area or a relation, and have a way to refer to that object, even if that object changes from being a node to being an area. The actual object is less important, in this context, than the unique ID number keeping tracking of it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 3 June 2010 15:38, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: What external applications need from OSM is a persistent ID for persistent objects. If a business moves, then use a yellow page application to find the new address. I'm sorry to jump into this thread from hell, but you've touched on a question that's been unclear to me from the beginning of this discussion, which is What does an permanent object mean? A common thing for me to do as a mapper is manually collect POIs while walking, upload them, and then later, using sources like imagry, get rid of my nodes and replace them with ways (eg buildings). So is the permanent object the node? Is the permanent object the POI? What if the POI moves? If I tag the public library as a POI node, then do a building trace, that's one POI- but what if the library moves (as my local library is planning on doing). Does that permanent object move with the library, or does it stay with the building? The idea behind John's idea is that the permanent UUID is linked to your library. So if your library moves, you need to move the UUID tags to the new building. It is meant to be associated with the moral entity like a library, a shop, etc... Moral entity might not be the best term but it is close, I think. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: On 3 June 2010 15:38, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: So is the permanent object the node? Is the permanent object the POI? What if the POI moves? If I tag the public library as a POI node, then do a building trace, that's one POI- but what if the library moves (as my local library is planning on doing). Does that permanent object move with the library, or does it stay with the building? The idea behind John's idea is that the permanent UUID is linked to your library. So if your library moves, you need to move the UUID tags to the new building. It is meant to be associated with the moral entity like a library, a shop, etc... Moral entity might not be the best term but it is close, I think. Yes. The way I see it, the permanent object/moral entity would be whatever you describe in the text. So if you put in the text the Texas School Book Depository, the uuid should move when the book depository moves. If you put in the text the building where Oswald shot Kennedy, the uuid shouldn't move when the book depository moves. I'd think in most cases you'd choose the former rather than the latter, but in some cases you might really want to link to the latter (such as the example given). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 4 June 2010 00:58, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Yes. The way I see it, the permanent object/moral entity would be whatever you describe in the text. So if you put in the text the Texas School Book Depository, the uuid should move when the book depository moves. If you put in the text the building where Oswald shot Kennedy, the uuid shouldn't move when the book depository moves. I'd think in most cases you'd choose the former rather than the latter, but in some cases you might really want to link to the latter (such as the example given). Actually that's a better example than the one I thought up, I'll add it to the wiki page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
On 3 June 2010 23:01, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: for the first time, this week's .osm.bz2 planet has an eleven-digit size (10026036818 bytes). That's up 20% from beginning of the year. In Do we really have to stoop to GB v GiB debate to make things look better? I'd still like to know the actual stats of users v accounts, to me a user isn't a user unless they've made 5 or more edits. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
Hi John, John Smith wrote: It's come up in the past about unique IDs for objects, some people use OSM IDs for this, however someone has come up with a different way to do this, make a QR code and stick it to the object and use the QR codes ID number: http://digitalurban.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-to-add-anything-to-internet-of.html I wonder how hard it would be to have OSM stickers with unique ID codes and ask business owners to put them up in their windows? we are doing something like this here in Ethiopia. We assign OSM POIs (IDs) with short names (www.addismap.com/name). We have prepared stickers and write with a perma marker the name part. No QR code anyways, as nobody would have the sufficient mobile phones to decode that stuff. Greetings from Addis Ababa, Alexander www.addismap.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
John Smith-7 wrote: I'd still like to know the actual stats of users v accounts, to me a user isn't a user unless they've made 5 or more edits. Assuming my statistics are correct, there are 119071 users who have at least one changeset (excluding those users that are anonymous, as they don't turn up in the changesets). So about half of the number of accounts have done at least one edit. I haven't done the statistics for 5 or more edits. Some other statistics about users that might be interesting though. In the past week there were 1559 users who's first edit was less than 5 days ago. An additional 610 users whos first edit was less than 45 days ago. 2942 Users less than 500 days and another 1070 edited this week who have been with OSM for more than 500 days. So that appears like a fairly healthy distribution between new and old mappers. I haven't broken those numbers down by region, which might be quite interesting too. Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Planet-file-now-at-10-GB-tp5135055p5136350.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
Dear Kai, Is there a way for you to check how many people have been editing in this bbox ([Lat/Lon][-17.5/-77][-56/-68]) in, lets say, the last week? Thank you very much. Regards, Julio Costa OpenStreetMap Chile http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: John Smith-7 wrote: I'd still like to know the actual stats of users v accounts, to me a user isn't a user unless they've made 5 or more edits. Assuming my statistics are correct, there are 119071 users who have at least one changeset (excluding those users that are anonymous, as they don't turn up in the changesets). So about half of the number of accounts have done at least one edit. I haven't done the statistics for 5 or more edits. Some other statistics about users that might be interesting though. In the past week there were 1559 users who's first edit was less than 5 days ago. An additional 610 users whos first edit was less than 45 days ago. 2942 Users less than 500 days and another 1070 edited this week who have been with OSM for more than 500 days. So that appears like a fairly healthy distribution between new and old mappers. I haven't broken those numbers down by region, which might be quite interesting too. Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Planet-file-now-at-10-GB-tp5135055p5136350.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
Julio Costa Zambelli julio.costa at openstreetmap.cl writes: Dear Kai,Is there a way for you to check how many people have been editing in this bbox ([Lat/Lon][-17.5/-77][-56/-68]) in, lets say, the last week?Thank you very much.Regards,Julio Costa Hi, Itoworld has a tool for this, see http://www.itoworld.com/static/openstreetmap.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
I always use the ITO OpenStreetMap environment for specific bbox and time/date edit queries: http://www.itoworld.com/static/openstreetmap.html On 06/03/2010 09:23 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli wrote: Dear Kai, Is there a way for you to check how many people have been editing in this bbox ([Lat/Lon][-17.5/-77][-56/-68]) in, lets say, the last week? Thank you very much. Regards, Julio Costa OpenStreetMap Chile http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com mailto:kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: John Smith-7 wrote: I'd still like to know the actual stats of users v accounts, to me a user isn't a user unless they've made 5 or more edits. Assuming my statistics are correct, there are 119071 users who have at least one changeset (excluding those users that are anonymous, as they don't turn up in the changesets). So about half of the number of accounts have done at least one edit. I haven't done the statistics for 5 or more edits. Some other statistics about users that might be interesting though. In the past week there were 1559 users who's first edit was less than 5 days ago. An additional 610 users whos first edit was less than 45 days ago. 2942 Users less than 500 days and another 1070 edited this week who have been with OSM for more than 500 days. So that appears like a fairly healthy distribution between new and old mappers. I haven't broken those numbers down by region, which might be quite interesting too. Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Planet-file-now-at-10-GB-tp5135055p5136350.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] H.O.T. Kit Fundraiser
Hey All, Nicolas Chavent and I are heading to Haiti on June 14th. On previous missions we left behind computers/GPS Units and printer scanners so people could continue mapping. At the moment there is no further funding for more kits, but we are going to be moving out to additional cities in Haiti. We are doing a last minute fundraiser to see if we can get money for more kits: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/weblog/?page_id=13 If you want to help that would be most amazing, Kate ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
On 4 June 2010 04:32, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming my statistics are correct, there are 119071 users who have at least one changeset (excluding those users that are anonymous, as they don't turn up in the changesets). So about half of the number of accounts have done at least one edit. I haven't done the statistics for 5 or more edits. Thanks for that, imho this is a more realistic number, although I'm guessing that number would also includes bots although it may be difficult to know which accounts are bots... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
On 4 June 2010 05:23, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: Is there a way for you to check how many people have been editing in this bbox ([Lat/Lon][-17.5/-77][-56/-68]) in, lets say, the last week? JOSM has a changeset panel, which would give you duplicate users, and has been quite useful to me in the past. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
On 4 June 2010 00:20, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Hmm, on second thought, maybe that's not such a hot idea. There might be two different stores which are combined into one, and obviously we'd want to keep both uuids (otherwise they wouldn't be permanent). David Dean has suggested Flickr would probably be more interested in building UUIDs than tenants, so this is as good a reason as any to automatically allocate multiple UUIDs based on what the object is tagged with when a UUID is requested. I've also incorporated most of your previous emails suggestions into the wiki page, it might be useful to get a comment from Flickr or Wikipedia about our current thinking, since they are the ones most likely to benefit from this. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] 2D Barcodes for locations
The 'shortlink' does not describe an object with OSM, it describes a location on the planet (akin to a lat/long). ie: http://osm.org/go/0EEQCvG5-?m http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shortlink I wanted to follow on from this idea a little as I think that there is some potential here, if someone wants to run with it. QR-Codes and DataMatrix have limitations in how much data and what type of data can be stored, which results in varying sized barcodes. For DataMatrix (which I have some experience in) there are several 'alphabets' with special sequences to switch between them. If the shortlink was all upper, all lower or case independant this would be better, but they are already defined to use the following encoding. -- # array of 64 chars to encode 6 bits. this is almost like base64 encoding, but # the symbolic chars are different, as base64's + and / aren't very # URL-friendly. ARRAY = ('A'..'Z').to_a + ('a'..'z').to_a + ('0'..'9').to_a + ['_','@'] -- Which means that the maximum compression can not happen, but link can be represented in Text, C40, ASCII, Base256. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.507859lon=-0.127828zoom=18layers=B000FTF compresses to http://osm.org/go/euu4gZ_It--?m http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.507859lon=-0.127828zoom=10layers=B000FTF compresses to http://osm.org/go/euu4gZ?m I've attached some example images, Simonattachment: zoom10.pngattachment: zoom18.png___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB
At 2010-06-03 12:23, Julio Costa Zambelli wrote: Is there a way for you to check how many people have been editing in this bbox ([Lat/Lon][-17.5/-77][-56/-68]) in, lets say, the last week? To see changesets in a specific area, browse: http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=MinLong,MinLat,MaxLong,MaxLat Note that it includes a lot of noise generated by bots that define huge areas for their changesets. You'd have to download the individual changesets, then walk through them and get the min/max lat/lon to find the real edited area. It would be nice if, on upload, the API would automatically do this and add a tag with that info. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 2D Barcodes for locations
On 4 June 2010 13:17, si...@mungewell.org wrote: QR-Codes and DataMatrix have limitations in how much data and what type of data can be stored, which results in varying sized barcodes. The limitations of QR codes, if we embed a URL, should be plenty, even without any compression, eg: http://osm.org/qr/21d906f1-7a93-49f5-beee-7c126b840a85 Although the QR code could be smaller if less error correction was used, or smaller pixels, or we could make them bigger and have the OSM URL underneath... attachment: qrcode.png___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] hot.openstreetmap.org
FYI: opening hot.openstreetmap.org just shows the root files - should better redirect to weblog/ . (favicon.* files have 0 bytes) Roman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On 03/06/10 13:31, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: 2.At least two people suggested that an eeepc 701 would make a great GPS using Navit. I'd love to find a howto for this because I have one sitting on my desk ... and I could do a simple PS to run it off the car electrics. Mine is the 4 meg model ... currently running easy-peasy. I'll just sound a note of caution about running an EeePC from 12 volts DC. I've tried with my 1000H and my son's smaller version (700 series). In both cases, the power light on the EeePC just rapidly switches between red and green. I've tried from various 12v sources, including a 12v regulated power supply capable of delivering 6 Amps. I've gone back to using the genuine AC power supply, with a 230v inverter when I use it in the car. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:12:50 +1000 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 03/06/10 13:31, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: 2. At least two people suggested that an eeepc 701 would make a great GPS using Navit. I'd love to find a howto for this because I have one sitting on my desk ... and I could do a simple PS to run it off the car electrics. Mine is the 4 meg model ... currently running easy-peasy. I'll just sound a note of caution about running an EeePC from 12 volts DC. + John Your email promted me to look on the back of my #701. It says, inter alia ... +9.5V DC 2.315A 22W. Certainly NOT a good idea to just connect it to a 12 volt battery. Power needs to be regulated , capable of at least 2.5A ... and protected against the auto environment ... with some kind of anti-splat circuit!!! Maybe your idea of an inverter plus the usual 240V power supply ids a good one!! Thanks again Richard -- Eraina and Richard Jenkins Canberra, AU 'linux on a Mac: delightful' Skype: richardirena ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On 3 June 2010 17:36, Eraina and Richard jenkins richardvk...@gmail.com wrote: Your email promted me to look on the back of my #701. It says, inter alia ... +9.5V DC 2.315A 22W. Certainly NOT a good idea to just connect it to a 12 volt battery. Power needs to be regulated , capable of at least 2.5A ... and protected against the auto environment ... with some kind of anti-splat circuit!!! Maybe your idea of an inverter plus the usual 240V power supply ids a good one!! I just checked mine, and it's also 9.5V, not sure why I thought it was 12V but I just use an inverter as well, but the draw is only 6W, my laptop draws 45+ W ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On 03/06/10 17:45, John Smith wrote: I just checked mine, and it's also 9.5V, not sure why I thought it was 12V but I just use an inverter as well, but the draw is only 6W, my laptop draws 45+ W My 1000H says 12v, 3A, but wouldn't run properly from any 12v source I tried except the original power pack. It was a couple of years ago, but whatever voltage my son's 700 series said on it was what I tried (within 1v, from a regulated supply). Likewise, same result. Only a low power inverter is required. My 150W inverter is several times the required capacity. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] [SOTM] State of country Australia poster
Hello, This year, the State of the Map in Girona will make use of posters (A1 vertical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_paper_size ) for State of Countries. Since last year, it has been a very interesting year for Australia with some major imports like the boundaries and the introduction of Nearmap. Obviously, it would be better if someone from Australia could come to present it but I would be equally happy just to hang the poster for people to see what is happening. The printing of the poster would be done directly in Girona so it wouldn't be a problem if a PDF was to be sent. I would love to see some of you just to put a face on the names that I see and it is always better to meet in person. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, John Henderson wrote: I've gone back to using the genuine AC power supply, with a 230v inverter when I use it in the car. I've got an inverter - use it to charge the battery rather than constant use on the inverter ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: 1. Where is there a tutorial/howto/whatever for Navit. For me it comes up with a blank screen ... and no maps. I did attempt to download some maps for SE Australia ... so, how do I proceed from this point?? you need a suitable conf file I'll send it separately ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
Eraina and Richard jenkins richardvk...@gmail.com wrote: 1.Where is there a tutorial/howto/whatever for Navit. For me it comes up with a blank screen ... and no maps. I did attempt to download some maps for SE Australia ... so, how do I proceed from this point?? Unfortunately, configuring navit isn't exactly user-friendly. It requires editing an XML file. There's no easy clicky-clicky interface. http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit Also, acquiring and loading maps isn't user-friendly. You can download navit maps from cloudmade, but you have to manually copy them into the right location, referenced from the navit.xml file you edited earlier. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:12:50 +1000 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 03/06/10 13:31, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: 2.At least two people suggested that an eeepc 701 would make a great GPS using Navit. I'd love to find a howto for this because I have one sitting on my desk ... and I could do a simple PS to run it off the car electrics. Mine is the 4 meg model ... currently running easy-peasy. I'll just sound a note of caution about running an EeePC from 12 volts DC. + John Your email promted me to look on the back of my #701. It says, inter alia ... +9.5V DC 2.315A 22W. Certainly NOT a good idea to just connect it to a 12 volt battery. Power needs to be regulated , capable of at least 2.5A ... and protected against the auto environment ... with some kind of anti-splat circuit!!! Maybe your idea of an inverter plus the usual 240V power supply ids a good one!! Get one of these. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-12-24V-Car-Charger-Adapter-ASUS-Eee-PC-700-701-/120568116358?cmd=ViewItempt=AU_Laptop_Accessorieshash=item1c126b7486 I've been using one on my eeePC 900 for about 12months without a problem, in fact I bought two so that I've got one in each vehicle and don't have to look for it when I change cars. Much better than having 240V floating around in the car. If your using some other laptop then there are generic vehicle adapters for most available from jaycar, etc -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)
On 03/06/10 19:53, Liz wrote: I've got an inverter - use it to charge the battery rather than constant use on the inverter I used my EeePC 1000H a lot, and had to replace the battery after about 12 months. It was expensive. So now I usually run it with the battery removed, especially if mains is available. I have my car's cigarette lighter socket wired to be permanently on, although some inverters might drop out when the car's started motor is engaged. I agree with Ross about it being better not to have mains voltages operating in the passenger compartment. I also note that the seller of his eBay-referenced car adaptor has a 12v output version available for the 1000H. I'll be getting one to try. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Object ID Permenence
Thanks to David and James (on this list) and Anthony from the main talk list for feedback, we've come up with a proposal on giving objects in the OSM DB one or more unique IDs which unlike regular OSM IDs can be shifted from nodes to areas as they are changed. This proposal will probably not have much benefit for people on this list, unless you run a 3rd party website that uses OSM IDs to reference objects on OSM. However I thought I'd put the ID out there in case anyone has some ideas that were over looked. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/UUID ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um destinatio n-tag ergänzen
Am Mittwoch 02 Juni 2010, 20:39:55 schrieb steffterra: Das Fernziel ist jedoch nur eines dieser junctions Noch nichtmal das. Fernziele sind meistens Städte gewisser Größe, die mehrere Autobahnabfahrten haben (oder gleich per Kreuz mit einer Bundesstraße/lokalen Autobahn angebunden sind). Es gibt z.B. meines Wissens keine Autobahnabfahrten Hamburg oder Stuttgart. Gruß, Bernd -- Vorstellungskraft ist wichtiger als Wissen. - Albert Einstein signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen
Am 03.06.2010 00:50, schrieb steffterra: Der ref-Tag gibt vor, dass man ref=A 7, E 22 taggen soll - also Komma und Leerzeichen. Oha, ich dachte es sei Usus (und habe es bisher immer so in den Daten gesehen), bei mehreren Values pro Tag das Semikolon zu benutzen. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Strassenbreite
Moin, die Doku zum Tag width schweigt sich leider aus, oder hier die physikalische Breite gemeint ist oder die Breite zwischen den Begrenzungslinien (falls vorhanden). Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenbreite
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 09:55:05AM +0200, Chris66 wrote: die Doku zum Tag width schweigt sich leider aus, oder hier die physikalische Breite gemeint ist oder die Breite zwischen den Begrenzungslinien (falls vorhanden). Und wenn es letzteres ist, ist es dann inklusive der Breite der Begrenzungslinien oder ohne? Fragen über Fragen! Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OpenRouteService schon wieder gehackt?
Hallo zusammen, beim zweiten Anlauf lief es. Beim ersten Versuch ors [1] zu öffnen war die Seite leer/weiß, im Quelltext aber was unschönes zum Thema Downloads - möchte ich jetzt nicht näher drauf eingehen. Irre ich, oder kommt das öfter vor? Hatte es ja hier auch schon ein paar Mal gelesen. MfG, Chris.. [1] http://openrouteservice.org/ -- Mein kleiner, persönlicher OSM-Duden: +1 - bin Deiner Meinung -1 - sehe ich nicht so AIO - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenRouteService schon wieder gehackt?
Am 03.06.2010 10:31, schrieb Christian Knorr: beim zweiten Anlauf lief es. Beim ersten Versuch ors [1] zu öffnen war die Seite leer/weiß, im Quelltext aber was unschönes zum Thema Downloads - möchte ich jetzt nicht näher drauf eingehen. Irre ich, oder kommt das öfter vor? Hatte es ja hier auch schon ein paar Mal gelesen. Hi, die korrekte Adresse lautet: http://129.206.229.146/openrouteservice/ Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenRouteService schon wieder gehackt?
die korrekte Adresse lautet: http://129.206.229.146/openrouteservice/ naja ... korrekt ist die andere Adresse auch - aber wohl eben schon wieder gehackt Schusch ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenbreite
Am 3. Juni 2010 09:55 schrieb Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de: Moin, die Doku zum Tag width schweigt sich leider aus, oder hier die physikalische Breite gemeint ist oder die Breite zwischen den Begrenzungslinien (falls vorhanden). Aus unserer Praxis heraus, daß wir (die meisten von uns) mit ways ganze baulich nicht getrennte Fahrbahnkörper (und nicht einzelne Fahrstreifen) abbilden, würde ich width für die Breite der ganzen Fahrbahn halten (und verwende es auch so). Die verkehrsrechtlich nutzbare Breite könnte dann ja mit width:legal oder etwas ähnlichem angegeben werden... Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenbreite
Am 03.06.2010 09:55, schrieb Chris66: die Doku zum Tag width schweigt sich leider aus, oder hier die physikalische Breite gemeint ist oder die Breite zwischen den Begrenzungslinien (falls vorhanden). Ich würde von der physikalischen Breite ausgehen, weil es auch andere Objekte wie z.B. Bäche gibt, wo das width-Tag so verwendet wird. Da fände ich es sehr inkonsistent und verwirrend, wenn es bei Straßen anders wäre und plötzlich eine gesetzliche Einschränkung gemeint wäre. Grüße, Gerry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenbreite
Am 03.06.2010 11:45, schrieb Martin Simon: Die verkehrsrechtlich nutzbare Breite könnte dann ja mit width:legal oder etwas ähnlichem angegeben werden... Das wäre IMHO eigentlich besser bei den einzelnen Fahrspuren aufgehoben; da sich da keine Einigung abzeichnet, kann man es derzeit praktisch nur angeben, wenn alle Spuren gleich breit sind. Ansonsten gibt es ja noch maxwidth=*, das üblicherweise bei Beschilderung verwendet wird und somit in erster Linie eine legislative Beschränkung definiert (natürlich bekommen derlei gesetzeswidrige Fahrer meistens auch Probleme mit der Physik). Grüße, Gerry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenRouteService schon wieder gehackt?
Dear all, Leider bin ich erst jetzt dazu gekommen den für den Domain-Umzug benötigten Authorization.Ident Code beim bisherigen Provider Evanzo zu beantragen. Ich hoffe Evanzo reagiert rasch... Ich war davon ausgegangen, dass die damaligen Probleme seitens des Providers gelöst seien. Da sich diese Hoffnung nicht bestätigt, ziehe ich unsere Domains nun schnellstmöglich zu einem etablierten Hoster um. Unsere eigentlichen Server sind nicht betroffen, sondern es betrifft nur die Weiterleitung des Domain-Namens auf unseren Server. Damit sollte eine URL wie http://129.206.229.146/openrouteservice/ sicher sein. Ich bitte vielmals um Entschuldigung für die Umstände, meine Blauäugigkeit und die Verzögerung beim Providerumzug. beste Grüße a. zipf http://giscience.uni-hd.de Am 03.06.2010 10:31, schrieb Christian Knorr: beim zweiten Anlauf lief es. Beim ersten Versuch ors [1] zu ?ffnen war die Seite leer/wei?, im Quelltext aber was unsch?nes zum Thema Downloads - m?chte ich jetzt nicht n?her drauf eingehen. Irre ich, oder kommt das ?fter vor? Hatte es ja hier auch schon ein paar Mal gelesen. Hi, die korrekte Adresse lautet: http://129.206.229.146/openrouteservice/ Chris -- --- Prof. Dr. Alexander Zipf Chair of GIScience Department of Geography, University of Heidelberg z...@uni-heidelberg.de http://giscience.uni-hd.de Berliner Straße 48, D-69120 Heidelberg, Germany fon: +49(0)6221 / 54 5533 // fax: +49(0)6221 / 54 4996 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenbreite
Hallo, Am Donnerstag 03 Juni 2010 09:55:05 schrieb Chris66: Moin, die Doku zum Tag width schweigt sich leider aus, oder hier die physikalische Breite gemeint ist oder die Breite zwischen den Begrenzungslinien (falls vorhanden). das Thema hatten wir schon mehrfach. Wir sind uns nicht einmal einig, ob die Breite der Fahrbahn oder der ganzen Straße ggf. mit Fußweg gemeint ist - ohne jetzt eine Meinung äußern zu wollen. Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM für Feuerwehr
Hallo, Am Freitag 28 Mai 2010 22:05:36 schrieb Sven Geggus: André Reichelt andr...@online.de wrote: Da hast Du etwas missverstanden. Es ist nicht NICHT änderbar sondern Änderungen müssen zunächst freigeschaltet werden. Im Prinzip wird also so lange weiterhin der alte Versionsstand ausgegeben bis der neue Versionsstand von genügend anderen Mitgliedern bestätigt wurde. Um Gottes willen nicht diesen Unfug den es in der Wikipedia seit neuestem gibt. Manche Leute sind gleicher als andere... Nein danke! +1 Als Alternative und Lösung auch für andere Fälle könnte man vielleicht überlegen, ob man einen Node nicht mit absoluter, sondern mit relativer Position zu vorhandenen Daten, Bsp. Straßenachse, angeben könnte. Verschiebe ich eine Straße um ein paar Meter, weil ich das inzwischen besser messen kann als früher, müssen alle Bushaltestellen, Müllcontainer, ... manuell verschoben werden. Die Info, dass der Hydrant oder weiß ich was 8m von der Ecke A/B-Straße und 6m aus der Achse liegt, beschreibt seine Lage sowieso besser und kann benutzt werden, um die neue Position automatisch zu berechnen. Vielleicht ist er dann immer noch absolut um 4m verkehrt, aber der Feuerwehrhäuptling wird seinen Wasserspender kaum nach absoluten UTM- Koordinaten suchen, sondern in der Regel vor Hausnummer xy. Wir hätten dann eine innere Genauigkeit, die wir mit unseren Methoden wesentlich genauer hinkriegen als die absolute, und die für den Benutzer draußen genau das ist, was er braucht. Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM für Feuerwehr - Signaturen?
Hallo, Am Samstag 29 Mai 2010 01:41:21 schrieb Florian Gross: Es wäre denkbar, daß die Positionen auch von OSM stammen, aber gerade Daten für den Rettungsdienst (eben sowas wie Hydranten) sollte man IMO in einer eigenen Datenbank vorhalten. was nützt es, die Koordinaten des Hydranten mit Schlüssel, Löschsicherung, GPG, automatischer Wiederherstellung (fehlt noch was? ;-) ) zu sichern, wenn die zugehörige Straße - korrekt oder nicht - um 15m verschoben wird und der Hydrant jetzt nur noch im Fahrradkeller zugängig ist. Mit dem GPG-Schlüssel kommt die Feuerwehr da auch nicht rein. :-) Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DOP mit Bodenauflösung 2m für Hausu mrisse?
Am 2. Juni 2010 17:14 schrieb Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de: | Das Entnehmen von Hausumrissen aus der amtlichen Karte stellt eine | Entnahme aus einer für die Vermessungsverwaltung geschützten | Datenbank iSv § 87 a Urheberrechtsgesetz dar. | Dies gilt auch, wenn die Informationen nicht 1:1, sondern in | vereinfachter Form übertragen werden. Sei es, dass eine | 1:1-Übertragung technisch nicht möglich ist oder aus | Vereinfachungsgründen nicht gewünscht ist (Generalisierung). | Entscheidend ist, dass die Informationen aus der Karte in insgesamt | wesentlichem Umfang (also viele Gebäude, ganze Ortschaft, nicht nur | eine Handvoll) oder systematisch genutzt werden. Eine systematische | Entnahme liegt inbesondere dann vor, wenn die Informationen entnommen | werden, um ein Folgeprodukt wie OpenStreetMap aufzubauen und | öffentlich zugänglich zu machen. bezog sich das auf amtliche Karten oder Luftbilder? m.E. nur auf Karten, aber wie die anderen schon geschrieben haben: unter den Bedingungen (Kosten) ist das keine Kooperationschance sondern eine Kooperationsschande ;-) Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Strassenbreite
Am 3. Juni 2010 11:45 schrieb Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: Die verkehrsrechtlich nutzbare Breite könnte dann ja mit width:legal oder etwas ähnlichem angegeben werden... bzw. die Breite der einzelnen Spuren angeben. Bei Fußwegen gibt es ja meistens gar keine Streifen, und manchmal auch sonst nur unklare Ränder (z.B. bei unpaved). Bei Standstreifen macht das ja durchaus ziemlich was aus, wobei die Zahl der Spuren bei Autobahnen viel interessanter ist als die Breite in Metern. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DOP mit Bodenauflösung 2m für Hausu mrisse?
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: bezog sich das auf amtliche Karten oder Luftbilder? m.E. nur auf Karten, aber wie die anderen schon geschrieben haben: unter den Bedingungen (Kosten) ist das keine Kooperationschance sondern eine Kooperationsschande ;-) Nein, es bezog sich auf die Luftbilder. Laut Aussage des Vermessungsamts würden die angeblich reichen und ich bräuchte keinen Zugriff auf die amtlichen Karten. Der Pixelwust, den ich als 2m DOP kenne, ist aber für Hausumrisse meiner Meinung nach unbrauchbar. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Trennzeichen bei Aufzählungen im Wert eines Tags (war: motorway und motorway_link um destination-tag ergänzen)
Am 03.06.2010 um 09:43 schrieb Chris66: Am 03.06.2010 00:50, schrieb steffterra: Der ref-Tag gibt vor, dass man ref=A 7, E 22 taggen soll - also Komma und Leerzeichen. Oha, ich dachte es sei Usus (und habe es bisher immer so in den Daten gesehen), bei mehreren Values pro Tag das Semikolon zu benutzen. Keine Ahnung, vlt. ist auch das Komma mit Leerzeichen ungewöhnlich und man sollte auch beim ref eher Semikolon und kein Leerzeichen verwenden? Weiss da jemand mehr darüber, was bei anderen Tags üblich ist? Danke im voraus, steffterra ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen
Am 03.06.2010 um 08:44 schrieb Bernd Wurst: Am Mittwoch 02 Juni 2010, 20:39:55 schrieb steffterra: Das Fernziel ist jedoch nur eines dieser junctions Noch nichtmal das. Fernziele sind meistens Städte gewisser Größe, die mehrere Autobahnabfahrten haben (oder gleich per Kreuz mit einer Bundesstraße/lokalen Autobahn angebunden sind). Es gibt z.B. meines Wissens keine Autobahnabfahrten Hamburg oder Stuttgart. glaube ich auch. Hast Recht. Dennoch werden diese Fernziele als Städtenamen auf den Auffahrten genannt. die Abfahrten sind dann meist genauer bezeichnet, schon weil es an diesen Fernzielen meist mehrere Abfahrten gibt (xy Nord, xy Süd, mit Namens-Zusatz der nä. Ortschaft in der Nähe der Abfahrt, etc.) Kennt ihr eine Liste/Datenbank, in der die Auffahrten mit ihren Fernziel-Städtenamen (Zeichen Nr. 430, und für AB-Kreuze Nr.448) gesammelt sind? Danke, steffterra ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Garminkarten Ausschnitte
Jochen Topf glaubte zu wissen: Hab mich grad gestern mit Sven Geggus drüber unterhalten, ob man das Zusammenbauen irgendwie noch einfacher machen kann. Hintergrund ist, dass der Server, wo man die AIO-Garmin-Karten runterladen kann, total ausgelastet ist mir den Riesen-Downloads, die die Leute immerzu machen. Um wie viel Traffic geht es da eigentlich zur Zeit? Wenn es ein sehr einfach zu benutzendes Tool gäbe, dann bräuchten die Leute nicht mehr so häufig ganz Europa runterladen. Ich stelle mir das so vor, dass man angeben kann, welchen Ausschnitt man braucht, das Tool stellt dann fest, welche Teile gebraucht werden, lädt die runter, baut sie zusammen und gibt einem eine fertige Datei. Klingt verlockend. flo -- Waas???ßßß Ihr habt einen GEMEINSAMEN Vornamen?? Welchen denn?? Karl-Hubert, wobei Florian die erste Hälfte und Florian die andere hat. [Bernd Brodesser und Martin Leidig in suse-talk] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Reihenfolge der Ebenen
Chris66 glaubte zu wissen: Am 01.06.2010 10:44, schrieb André Joost: Es steht dir doch frei, erst die gpx oder erst die osm-Daten zu laden. Ja, aber mein Workflow ist in der Regel, dass ich erst die gpx lade, da dann der passende Ausschnitt schon eingestellt ist. Den für dich passenden Tip hast du gelöscht: In der Box mit denen Ebenen gibt es einen Pfeil nach oben und einen nach unten. Mit denen Verschiebst du die Ebenen wie es dir gefällt. flo -- Da waren die Männchen aber noch weiss und die Leitern auch ja! In der neuen Version sollen ja echter Aussehen. Genau wie in der neuen Pitfall Version, die übrigena Gaga ist. [WoKo in dafb] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenRouteService schon wieder gehackt?
Am Donnerstag 03 Juni 2010 10:39:37 schrieb Chris66: Hi, die korrekte Adresse lautet: http://129.206.229.146/openrouteservice/ Das kenn' schon :/ mehrfach. Fragt sich nur wie lange das noch die korrekte Adresse ist. Außerdem kann ich mir das nicht merken. Ist ja auch ne doofe Adresse, da ist http://openrouteservice.org/ schon einprägsamer. Chris MfG, Chris. -- Mein kleiner, persönlicher OSM-Duden: +1 - bin Deiner Meinung -1 - sehe ich nicht so AIO - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Trennzeichen bei Aufzählungen im Wert eines Tags (war: motorway und motorway_link um d estination-tag ergänzen )
Am Donnerstag 03 Juni 2010, 19:43:36 schrieb steffterra: Keine Ahnung, vlt. ist auch das Komma mit Leerzeichen ungewöhnlich und man sollte auch beim ref eher Semikolon und kein Leerzeichen verwenden? Weiss da jemand mehr darüber, was bei anderen Tags üblich ist? Sowohl bei OSM als auch bei fast allen anderen Dingen bei denen ich bisher programmiertechnisch mit mehreren Werten in einer Zeichenkette zu tun hatte, war das Semikolon das Trennzeichen der Wahl. Ein Trennzeichen sollte eben das sein, *ein* Zeichen das im normalen Text möglichst selten vorkommt (und dabei halt doch kein obskures Sonderzeichen ist). Das Semikolon kommt in Namen und Bezeichnungen quasi nie vor und es wurde daher grundsätzlich bei den mir bisher bekannten OSM-Tags als Trenner für mehrere Werte benutzt. Bei CSV-Dateien kommt ja (anders als der Name suggeriert) auch in den meisten Fällen das Semikolon zum Einsatz. Kurzum: Ich gehe davon aus, dass die Verwendung von Komma und Leerzeichen im genannten Wiki-Artikel wenig diskutiert und fundiert gewählt wurde sondern eine schlichte ich schreib mal was auf-Aktion war. Ich würde ganz stark dazu raten, überall Semikolon zu benutzen, das ist vergleichsweise sehr weit verbreitet. Gruß, Bernd -- Skeptiker sind jene Menschen, die einfach nicht an die friedliche Nutzung der Atombombe glauben wollen. - Werner Mitsch (dt. Aphoristiker) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OT: Garmin eTrex Legend kaputt
Hallo. Ich habe eine Frage, die hier eigentlich Off-Topic ist aber ich erwarte hier Leute die mir helfen können. Antworten bitte an mich privat. Ich besitze seit einiger Zeit ein Garmin eTrex Legend HCx, das ich auch im Auto benutze. Neulich ging es an einer Autobahnraststätte beim Abstellen der Zündung ganz normal nach 30 Sekunden aus, danach aber nicht mehr an. Seither kann ich das Gerät nur noch mit Akkus/Batterien betreiben. Sobald ich irgend eine externe Stromversorgung anschließe (Autokabel oder normales USB- Kabel), geht es sofort aus und lässt sich erst wieder einschalten, wenn ich das Kabel abziehe. So macht natürlich der Betrieb keinen Spaß mehr, insbesondere da ich jetzt keine Möglichkeit mehr habe, Routen oder Wegpunkte auf das Gerät zu laden. Kennt jemand einen solchen Fehler? Ist das was behebbares? Fällt jemandem eine kreative Lösung ein, wie man das Gerät noch irgendwie per USB verbinden kann ohne dass dort Spannung anliegt? Da ich spätestens nachdem der Hard-Reset nichts genützt hat nicht daran glaube, dass es ein selbst behebbares Problem ist, gleich noch eine Frage: Macht es Sinn, ein Gerät zur (nicht-Garantie-)Reparatur zu Garmin einzusenden? Hat das schonmal jemand gemacht? Da ich auf eine Überspannung vom Auto- Ladekabel tippe und selbiges ein 08/15-Ramschartikel und kein Garmin-Zubehör ist, fällt ein Garantiefall wohl weg. :) Gruß, Bernd -- Erfahrung heisst gar nichts. Man kann eine Sache auch 35 Jahre lang schlecht machen. - Kurt Tucholsky (dt. Schriftsteller) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] MTB Slippy-Map / Onlinekarte der openmtbmap
Hallo zusammen. Ich hab mal ne Frage zu der hstore: Ich komm gerade nicht wirklich weiter. Ich hab ein wenig beim parking abgeschaut und wollte jetzt mal ein mtb-tag auslesen: Layer name=scale status=on srs=osm2pgsql_projection; StyleNamemtb:scale/StyleName Datasource Parameter name=table (select way, (tags-'mtb:scale') as mtb:scale, from refix;_line WHERE (tags ? 'mtb:scale') ) as roads /Parameter datasource-settings; /Datasource /Layer Will aber nicht funktionieren. Habe ihr eine Idee? Danke! Gruß -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/MTB-Slippy-Map-Onlinekarte-der-openmtbmap-tp5112824p5136402.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen
Hallo. Am Donnerstag 03 Juni 2010, 19:48:40 schrieb steffterra: Kennt ihr eine Liste/Datenbank, in der die Auffahrten mit ihren Fernziel-Städtenamen (Zeichen Nr. 430, und für AB-Kreuze Nr.448) gesammelt sind? Es ist nicht exakt das was du suchst, aber die Fotos auf http://www.autobahn-bilder.de/ sind dafür gut geeignet. Auf den Autobahnen stehen oft Wegweiser, wohin es auf der Autobahn grade aus weiter geht. Oder es stehen an der Seite Schilder, wie weit es zu den Fernzielen noch ist. Das kannst du bei den Auffahrten in der Region dann auch als Fernziel eintragen. Und falls es nicht identisch ist: Es ist wesentlich besser als nichts und jeder kann es ändern wenn er es besser weiß. Gruß, Bernd -- Windows Error 005: Multitasking attempted. System confused. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Trennzeichen bei Aufzählungen im Wert eines Tags (war: motorway und motorway_link um d estination-tag ergänzen )
Am 03.06.2010 20:33, schrieb Bernd Wurst: Ich würde ganz stark dazu raten, überall Semikolon zu benutzen, das ist vergleichsweise sehr weit verbreitet. +1 nicht nur verbreitet, sondern auch dokumentiert, siehe z.B. auch http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Faq#What_shall_I_do_for_roads_that_have_multiple_values_for_a_tag.3F Die Frage ist, wie man das Komma wieder kleinkriegt... Problematisch dabei ist vor allem, dass es sich wohl in anderen Fremdsprachen ins Wiki eingenistet hat. Wenn man es im englischen korrigiert, bleibt z.B. immer noch der russische Artikel. Grüße, Gerry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OT: Garmin eTrex Legend kaputt
Moin, von solchen Effekten habe ich bisher nichts gehoert und deshalb kann ich auch nicht wirklich eine Loesung anbieten. Hast du mal probiert, dass Geraet ohne Speicherkarte zu betreiben? Ohne USB-Verbindung wirst du wahrscheinlich auch nicht versuchen koennen, die Firmware neu aufzuspielen. Von deiner Beschreibung her klingt aber ansonsten deine Einschaetzung schon ganz richtig, dass da wohl hardwaremaessig was kaputt gegangen ist. Ich wuerde einfach mal Garmin fragen, was sie zu den Effekten sagen, und dabei grosszuegig unerwaehnt lassen, bei welcher Gelegenheit das Geraet kaputt gegangen ist. Gruss Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OT: Wie (lange) Tracks / Routen auf Garmin etrex Vista HCx kopieren
Hallo, sicher etwas OT, aber ich hoffe mal, daß das Problem hier schon auftrat und im Endergebnis will ich ja einen Track für OSM erstellen ... Folgendes Problem: Ich möchte die Strecke der Harzquerung von Wernigerode nach Nordhausen abfahren, um für diesen Lauf eine Relation anzulegen. Einige Wegteile sind auch noch gar nicht gemappt. Auf gpsies.com habe ich zum Vergleich Route und Track heruntergeladen und wollte diese per gpsbabel -t -i gpx -f trackfile.gpx -o garmin -F usb: gpsbabel -r -i gpx -f routefile.gpx -o garmin -F usb: auf mein Garmin Etrex Vista HCx kopieren. Wenn ich das so mache bekomme ich jeweils vom Gerät die Meldung: Track gekürzt bzw. Route gekürzt Das finde ich ärgerlich, denn eigene Tracks können doch sehr wohl länger als dir knapp 4200 Punkte sein. Ich habe vor dem kopieren auch alle noch auf dem Gerät vorhandenen Tracks gelöscht, sodaß der zu wenig Speicher nicht das Problem sein sollte. Ich hab's auch mal per gpsbabel -i gpx -f trackfile.gpx -x simplify,count=523 -o gpx -F track_ein_achtel_der_punkte.gpx versucht - aber auch das war dem Garmin noch etwas viel, obwohl nun doch schon Nordhausen in Sicht kommt. Die Frage ist nun: wiemacht Ihr das, wenn Ihr mal längere Tracks auf das GPS haben wollt, als so ohne weiteres geht. Viele Grüße Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OT: Garmin eTrex Legend kaputt
Hallo Bernd, opfere doch einfach ein USB-Kabel, entferne Isolierung und Abschirmung irgendwo vorsichtig und trenne die +5V Leitung auf. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Usb_kabel_beschriftet.jpgfiletimestamp=20080530215106 Übrigens: Wenn mir Kunden Geräte zur Garntiereparatur zurück schicken, schreiben sie mir in der Regel nicht, welche Umstände einen Garantiefall ausschließen könnten ;-) -fri- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OT: Wie (lange) Tracks / Routen auf Garmin etrex Vista HCx kopieren
Hallo, Am 03.06.2010 22:13, schrieb Andreas Tille: Ich hab's auch mal per gpsbabel -i gpx -f trackfile.gpx -x simplify,count=523 -o gpx -F track_ein_achtel_der_punkte.gpx versucht - aber auch das war dem Garmin noch etwas viel, obwohl nun doch schon Nordhausen in Sicht kommt. Ein Track, der auf das Gerät geladen wird kann maximal 500 Punkte enthalten. Es gibt auch einen Trick, Tracks mit mehr als 500 Punkten zu laden: http://blog.gpsies.com/article/143/track-mit-mehr-als-500-punkten-auf-den-garmin-etrex-speichern Aber ich habe das noch nie ausprobiert. Für Tagestouren haben mir bisher die 500 Punkte immer augereicht. Bei Mehrtagestouren mache ich eben einen Track pro Tag. Ich finde zu viele Trackpunkte ohnehin beim Ablaufen/fahren des Tracks eher störend. Man muss ja nicht unbedingt jede kleine Richtungsänderung im Track abbilden. Gruß Rainer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenRouteService schon wieder gehackt?
Am 03.06.2010 10:31, schrieb Christian Knorr: im Quelltext aber was unschönes zum Thema Downloads - möchte ich jetzt nicht näher drauf eingehen. Ich gehe inzwischen davon aus, dass es zum Geschäftsmodell von Evanzo gehört, diese DNS-Fehler nicht zu verhindern, sondern dafür am Erlös beteiligt zu werden. Dass Openroutservice.org von Nutzern einer Symantec-Suite wegen Phishing-Domain-Alarms nicht angesurft werden kann, das schrieb ich ja schon vor einigen Wochen. -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OT: Garmin eTrex Legend kaputt
Ich habe keine Ahnung von was für einem KFZ-Kabel Du dort sprichst. Werde da etwas konkreter. Hast Du es mal mit einem Standard-Mini-USB-Kabel am PC versucht? -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenRouteService schon wieder gehackt?
Alexander Zipf z...@uni-heidelberg.de wrote: Da sich diese Hoffnung nicht bestätigt, ziehe ich unsere Domains nun schnellstmöglich zu einem etablierten Hoster um. Ich registriere Domains entweder über http://www.domaindiscount24.com/ oder über http://www.schlundtech.de/ Beides empfehlenswert wenn man das Zeug im wesentlichen selber machen will! Ich würde empfehlen auf einen Redirector komplett zu verzichten und die ORS Domain direkt auf eure IP zeigen zu lassen. Bei dd24 geht beides. Gruss Sven -- Ich fürchte mich nicht vor der Rückkehr der Faschisten in der Maske der Faschisten, sondern vor der Rückkehr der Faschisten in der Maske der Demokraten (Theodor W. Adorno) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] MTB Slippy-Map / Onlinekarte der openmtbmap
Am 03.06.2010 20:46, schrieb godofglow: (select way, (tags-'mtb:scale') as mtb:scale, from refix;_line WHERE (tags ? 'mtb:scale') ) as roads bitte teste deine Queries vorher mit psql: psql -h sql-mapnik -d osm_mapnik Das Query hat zwei Fehler: 1. das Komma nach dem mtb:scale 2. die Entität refix; sollte wohl besser prefix; lauten Lg, Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Spezialkarte Trampen
Hallo liebe Community, als Mapper, der zwar schon ein ganzes Weilchen dabei ist, in letzter Zeit aber mehr mit anderen Dingen beschäftigt ist, bin ich durch die Anfrage einiger Freunde zu einer mit OSM hoffentlich zu lösenden Aufgabe gekommen. Das Projekt ist eine Deutschlandkarte, die explizit fürs Tramping genutzt werden soll. Das hat dann einige Spezialanforderungen: * Das ganze soll auf einem Flyer landen, und um nützlich und detailliert genug zu sein ist derzeit ein Druck in A3 geplant. * Im Wesentlichen sollte möglichst ausschließlich das Autobahnnetz darauf zu sehen sein, im Gegensatz zu der Darstellung im Wiki beim Autobahnprojekt wäre es aber schön, wenn auch die Nummern der Autobahnen gerendert würden. * Zur Orientierung böten sich noch die Namen größerer Städte an, das müsste man mal gucken… * Idealerweise – und ich glaube hier dürfte die Hauptschwierigkeit liegen – würde diese Karte auch alle Autobahnraststätten enthalten, denn diese sind, so hab ich mir sagen lassen, fundamental wichtig beim Trampen, fürs Umsteigen und Weiterkommen. Das mit den Raststätten dürfte deshalb wohl ein Problem sein, weil – soweit ich es zumindest bisher sehen konnte – die bei uns eingezeichneten Raststätten nirgendwo eine eigene semantische Kennzeichnung haben, sondern in aller Regel nur eine Sammlung von mehreren highway=service, Parkplätzen, evtl. WCs, Tankstellen und Restaurants sind, aber nicht als solche irgendwie getaggt und so dürfte es schwierig werden, das in einem niedrigen Zoom-Level irgendwie zu rendern. Hat vielleicht jemand für dieses Problem eine Idee? Falls sich ein sinnvoller Tagging-Vorschlag fände, dann wäre es vielleicht überlegenswert, diese Raststätten mit einem eigenen Tag zu versehen. Wäre zwar eine Fleißarbeit, aber noch hab ich ein paar Wochen Zeit und vielleicht wäre jemand interessiert zu helfen? ;) Dann noch allgemein eine Frage zur Herangehensweise: Ich habe bisher eigentlich noch kaum Erfahrung mit eigenem Mapnik-Rendering, würde mir das aber mal anschauen. Gibt es von Seiten derjenigen, die etwas mehr Erfahrung mit Spezialrenderings haben vielleicht noch andere Herangehensweisen? Deutschlandkarte und Mapnik, ich weiß natürlich nicht, wie gut das in so niedrigen Zoom-Leveln funktioniert… Ich wäre prinzipiell für jegliche Tipps und Tricks und Hinweise dankbar. Bisschen Zeit bleibt noch, aber wäre schon cool, wenn ich sowas innerhalb ein paar Wochen auf die Reihe bringen könnte. Liebe Grüße aus Würzburg, Patrick. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OT: Wie (lange) Tracks / Routen auf Garmin etrex Vista HCx kopieren
Am 3. Juni 2010 22:28 schrieb Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de: Ich finde zu viele Trackpunkte ohnehin beim Ablaufen/fahren des Tracks eher störend. Man muss ja nicht unbedingt jede kleine Richtungsänderung im Track abbilden. stimmt, wenn man nicht gerade kartiert braucht man die Details nicht unbedingt. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spezialkarte Trampen
Hallo, wenn du nur eine Bilddatei haben möchtest, die gedruckt werden kann würde ich Maperitive oder dessen vorgänger Kosmos vorschlagen. Denen kannst du ein Style-File geben und dann rendern die Programme dir die OSM-Daten. Dabei wirst du auf 2 Probleme stoßen, die sich aber lösen lassen. a) Style-File erstellen b) der germany-Extract ist zu groß a)Würde ich dir den Map-Composer empfehlen. Der kann Style-Files für Kosmos per guter GUI erstellen (in der nächsten Version auch für Maperitive). b) ist da schon etwas schwieriger. Hier musst du den Extract mit osmosis Filtern, sodass nurnoch die benötigten Objekte in der Datei sind. Wenn du weitere Fragen hast, nur zu... Viele Grüße, aighes -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Spezialkarte-Trampen-tp5137250p5137328.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spezialkarte Trampen
Am 04.06.2010 00:27, schrieb Patrick Hanft: Das mit den Raststätten dürfte deshalb wohl ein Problem sein, weil – soweit ich es zumindest bisher sehen konnte – die bei uns eingezeichneten Raststätten nirgendwo eine eigene semantische Kennzeichnung haben, Oh, dann bekommen wir die Kleinraststätte (Das Ding was einem niemand genau definieren kann...) -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen
Am 03.06.2010 um 20:50 schrieb Bernd Wurst: Hallo. Am Donnerstag 03 Juni 2010, 19:48:40 schrieb steffterra: Kennt ihr eine Liste/Datenbank, in der die Auffahrten mit ihren Fernziel-Städtenamen (Zeichen Nr. 430, und für AB-Kreuze Nr.448) gesammelt sind? Es ist nicht exakt das was du suchst, aber die Fotos auf http://www.autobahn-bilder.de/ sind dafür gut geeignet. Das ist ja der Hammer - da hat sich ja jemand wirklich Arbeit gemacht (die postproduction war sicher sehr aufwendig) Danke dafür, steffterra ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Trennzeichen bei Aufzählungen im Wert eines Tags (war: motorway und motorway_link um d estination-tag ergänzen )
Am 03.06.2010 um 20:57 schrieb Gerry Light: Am 03.06.2010 20:33, schrieb Bernd Wurst: Ich würde ganz stark dazu raten, überall Semikolon zu benutzen, das ist vergleichsweise sehr weit verbreitet. +1 nicht nur verbreitet, sondern auch dokumentiert, siehe z.B. auch http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Faq#What_shall_I_do_for_roads_that_have_multiple_values_for_a_tag.3F Habs geändert für motorway und motorway_link und natürlich auch für destination richtig mit Semikolon ohne Leerzeichen eingetragen. Des weiteren habe ich mir erlaubt die engl. Seite für ref auf den Fall der mehrfachen Values etwas anzupassen. (Daher stammt auch Dein link, wie ich vermute) Passt doch so, oder? :-) Grüße, steffterra___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de