Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Jo
Now that the new way of rendering with Carto instead of Mapnik is finally
becoming reality, it becomes clear that highway=bus_stop will never (or at
least not during my lifetime) be replaced by
public_transport=platform/bus=yes.

I started to double tag all the new stops I'm adding and the ones I'm
updating.

Some people claim that public_transport=platform/bus=yes is longer and less
efficient than highway=bus_stop, but of course

highway=bus_stop
public_transport=platform
bus=yes

is even less so, but I stopped caring about that.

Pity,

Polyglot


2013-12-11 21:41 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com:

 tag-transform is an osmosis plugin. It happens before conversion to the
 postgres database, so you can use any tags that exist in the wild


 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:

 For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for
 the rendering of Mapnik. At that time it didn't make sense to update
 stylesheets.

 Jo


 2013/12/11 Mike N nice...@att.net

 On 12/11/2013 11:07 AM, fly wrote:

 If you keep on adding both schemes simultaneously you will not notice
 the problem and there will be no reason for developers to adjust the
 software.


  One of the problems in this situation is the map rendering developers
 have not taken an interest in the new scheme.

   If someone has submitted a 'pull request' that included the new
 tagging scheme but it was ignored, that is a different story.  OSM is
 frequently described as a do-ocracy - in which finished and coded solutions
 win out over what is needed.  And it's quite possible that we public
 transport mappers have been collecting and entering the information but
 have never gotten into CSS Map stylesheets, or whatever is the technology
 behind the renderers.



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Re: [talk-ph] Happy 10th Birthday OSM! Tell us your story.

2014-08-11 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Happy birthday!

How did I start? Well, I first created an account in
OSM in July 28, 2007. And I've been hooked ever since. You can all read
about how I started on my blog:

“OpenStreetMap Does the Philippines”, August 4, 2007 (a week after I
created an account)
http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com/posts/osm_does_the_philippines

“OpenStreetMapping My Neighborhood”, September 1, 2007 (a month after)
http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com/posts/osm_my_neighborhood

I've also blogged about OSM many times over the past 7 years:
http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com/categories/osm/

:-)

Eugene

On Aug 8, 2014 9:12 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Happy 10th Birthday #OpenStreetMap

 http://youtu.be/7sC83j6vzjo

 Tell us how did you start with OSM.

 I'll start.
 I discovered OSM around Jan 2006 (user# 1417) while trying to look for
 PH vector data I need for a research.  Free geographic data in the PH
 back then is very limited. The idea of building it from scratch got me
 interested.  However, I wasn't able to edit right away because I can't
 get the then java-based web editor to run.
 ~10 months later I stumbled upon JOSM in the wiki and created my first
node.

 The oldest rendering I was able to save was this [0].  As far as I
 remember, it was Mike Collinson who made those edits.  Many borrowed,
 hacked, broken, lost GPS since [1], Marikina is still not complete
 [2].  So, I'm still here mapping.


 [0] http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1050/3170253158_21336b1da2.jpg
 [1] http://www.slideshare.net/esambale/my-gps-stories
 [2]
https://www.facebook.com/mapmarikina/photos/pb.661458867266431.-220752.1407528496./665472483531736/?type=1theater

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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

2014-08-11 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice
paddy embankments do not do that.
On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com wrote:


 First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
 Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.

 I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
 case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact
 they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.

 Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
 showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
 Philippine Mapping Convention is like in real life.

 I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
 landuse=farmland
 crop=rice
 farm=flooded_crops

 What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as man_made=dyke
 [1] over highway=path ?

 [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke



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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

2014-08-11 Per discussione Erwin Olario
It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the wiki
page for dyke states it as an embankment built to *restrict the flow of
water or other liquids* , which in this applies to restricting the water
within the paddies.

Is there a more appropriate tag?



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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
 appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice
 paddy embankments do not do that.
 On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com wrote:


 First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
 Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.

 I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
 case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact
 they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.

 Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
 showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
 Philippine Mapping Convention is like in real life.

 I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
 landuse=farmland
 crop=rice
 farm=flooded_crops

 What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
 man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?

 [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke



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Re: [talk-ph] tracing individual rice paddies

2014-08-11 Per discussione Erwin Olario
On a related note, should we encourage mapping of individual rice paddies,
similar to what's being done with fish ponds?
​​

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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com wrote:


 It's probably not being used as such but rice are flood crops and the wiki
 page for dyke states it as an embankment built to *restrict the flow of
 water or other liquids* , which in this applies to restricting the water
 within the paddies.

 Is there a more appropriate tag?



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 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think neither tag is appropriate. man_made=dyke doesn't seem to be
 appropriate since a dyke's purpose is to prevent flooding, and these rice
 paddy embankments do not do that.
 On Aug 11, 2014 5:32 AM, Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com wrote:


 First of all, kudos to the volunteers working in the Lubao area[0] in
 Pampanga for the level of details they are adding to OpenStreetMap.

 I do wonder, however, if the appropriate tags are being used. In this
 case,  paddy field levees are being tagged as highway=path, when in fact
 they are primarily used as embankments, not as paths.

 Many of us here in the mailing list would consider Lubao as a local
 showcase for OpenStreetMap and perhaps, like me, would like it to show what
 Philippine Mapping Convention is like in real life.

 I normally use the following tags for rice paddies:
 landuse=farmland
 crop=rice
 farm=flooded_crops

 What are your thoughts about tagging ways between paddies as
 man_made=dyke [1] over highway=path ?

 [0] http://osm.org/go/4zOPCCmZg-?m=
 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddyke



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[OSM-talk-be] Verkeersborden DB (van het forum)

2014-08-11 Per discussione Marc Gemis
Allroads (Nederlander) schreef op het forum (
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23415):

Ik woon te ver weg de grens om persoonlijk even langs te gaan.
dit kreeg ik als bericht van.  verkeersboden mow.vlaanderen.be ik stelde de
vraag als privaat persoon.

De toegang tot de verkeersbordendatabank is persoonlijk en daarom gekoppeld
aan identificatiegegevens.  Voor inwoners van België gebeurt aanmelden met
de elektronische identiteitskaart of federaal token.  Op zich is er geen
bezwaar tegen om u toegang te geven tot de toepassing.  Praktisch gezien
ligt dit echter moeilijker, aangezien u niet beschikt over een eID of
token.

Via deze link http://sma-help.fedict.belgium.be/nl/fa … egistreren leest u
hoe ook niet-Belgen toegang kunnen krijgen tot beveiligde diensten.  De
procedure lijkt me echter nogal omslachtig in relatie tot waarvoor u de
toegang zou gebruiken.

Ik kan u verder wel vertellen dat de Vlaamse overheid geregeld contact
heeft met kaartenmakers en dat het onze bedoeling is om de data waarover
wij beschikken ook ter beschikking te stellen van deze bedrijven, zodat ze
ze kunnen aanwenden tot verbetering van hun kaarten.  Op deze manier hopen
we de problemen die u aanhaalt te kunnen verhelpen.

@escade
vandaar nu de vraag wie heeft contact als osm kaartenbouwer met de
organisatie


je zou dus even bij je gemeente langs kunnen gaan voor een id.

maar je hebt ook een card reader nodig

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heeft er al iemand geprobeerd deze gegevens te downloaden ?
licentie ?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Ed Loach
 Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you
 could
 ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. 

Are we still talking Incorrect speed limit? What clarification
does that need? I used to get a lot of similar reports from
Skobbler, so mapped all the local speed limits and then they stopped
being reported as missing or wrong. Having said that you then need
to monitor for changes (in my case I try and watch public notices in
the local newspaper and add a note if I read about a planned change,
so I or any other mapper can actually monitor for the signs
changing).

Anyway Incorrect speed limit is one that needs a survey, but not
really clarification.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Hi,
A distinction between field notes and armchair IMHO goes too far.
Instead a kind of field flag might help, which can be seen as this
note has to be reviewed by someone with detailled on-the-ground
knowledge or being present on the ground.

On the other hand there's the problem of an increasing number of notes.
I see two different problems here.

1) Too many notes I cannot solve: Motivation goes down, and I start to
close notes just to get rid of them although they are neither solved nor
correctly identified as being invalid.
This is an individual problem for each (maintaining) mapper. I would
like to see something like hide this node for me, perhaps with an
optional ...until it is changed or commented by someone else. This
would allow armchair mappers to clean up the notes as far as possible
without being disturbed by irrelevant notes being processed already.

2) What is the purpose of notes?
There are private notes of mappers for themself to fix problems later;
often these aren't explained in detail as the mapper relies on his
memory to understand it. Those might be solved by allowing private
notes as mentioned by others.
There are bug notes, where something is wrong in the map in contrast
to missing notes, where something is missing. Both may be valuable,
some for locals, some for armchair mappers, some for both, and others
for nobody.
The distinction between armchair and field is difficult. Of course
there are Germans or HOT-people who armchair-map somewhere else in the
world or something like that, but I don't think it would solve the
issue. I think, although those don't call themself armchair-mappers,
most of these issues arise where someone checks his own city, or the
region around for bugs. Bugs where the mapper might go to in the field
if necessary, if not now, then in the next weeks or months, becoming a
field mapper by doing that. Moreover most armchair mappers (I hope) are
field mappers in their local area. It would therefore require to decide
about my own field mapping area versus the rest of the world to show
or hide the one or the other set of nodes.

To conclude: I think there's the chance for improvement of the notes
system, but closing notes should be done with care, and only where it is
clear that the note is either solved or unsolvable/wrong.

regards
Peter

Am 10.08.2014 um 14:10 schrieb Matthijs Melissen:
 I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying problem seems to be
 that it is not clear whether notes are meant for armchair mappers, or
 for surveyors in the field.
 
 I think both types of notes are useful: that way the notes can serve
 as a two-way communication between mappers in the field (for example
 novices who don't know how to edit the map themselves) and armchair
 mappers (who might want to communicate with mappers in the field if
 they are unable to do a field check themselves at that moment).
 
 So the solution might be very simple: make two types of notes, 'desk'
 notes and 'field' notes. The desk notes can be handled by armchair
 mappers. The field notes need a check in the field. Notes created by
 anonymous users should be desk notes by default, and if information is
 missing, the armchair mapper should be able to turn it into a field
 note.
 
 The notes JB refers seem to be field-type notes. I think they are
 useful, and I think it's not helpful if armchair mappers try to close
 all of them without doing a survey.
 
 Anyone think a split in field and desk notes is a good idea?
 Implementation of this should be easy.
 
 -- Matthijs
 
 On 10 August 2014 11:50, JB jb...@mailoo.org wrote:
 Hello,
 I think I will reopen the debate here, by asking a simple question: how many
 of those saying hey, let this note open, it does no harm to anybody have
 actually browsed a country for its opened notes and tried to close them? How
 many have done the same with openstreetbugs during its last year of life?
 If you have not, let me tell you, loud and clear: the note database will
 become unusable soon. When you browse 10 notes and are forced to leave 9
 open because it does provide no clean information, you just stop trying.
 That is why during OSB close up, I found so many notes of that kind
 (continue the path, this is wrong, this does not exist, etc.), that where
 just not clear enough, or where just too old (the correction had been done
 without OSB), and most of them where more than 2 years old. And this is why
 OSB was a mess in the end.
 I have tried to keep the DB clean in France, am still trying by beeing less
 narrow-minded, but I just see its quality decreasing every day.
 So I do not have the exact number, but adding some 10s of little valued
 notes every week saying this speed limit may be wrong, some of them added
 by error (not along a highway) does not seem an improvement to the notes DB
 to me.
 JB.


 Le 10/08/2014 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :


 Il giorno 09/ago/2014, alle ore 13:56, Norbert Wenzel
 norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 

Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Tom Hughes

On 10/08/14 21:16, Norbert Wenzel wrote:


Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you could
ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. And that has
been tried. The quality of these reports has already been discussed on
this list so I don't see any value in these notes. And I don't think I'm
alone with my judgment since most if not all of these notes have been
closed by now by different users.


Just to let people know, I have now managed to make contact with the 
authors of the app that is creating these notes and they are now 
reviewing the comments in this thread and working on improvements.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer


 Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 10:29, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com ha 
 scritto:
 
 Anyway Incorrect speed limit is one that needs a survey, but not
 really clarification.


+1, I also don't think this can be reported automatically (a preconfigured 
text is not something I'd call automatically reporting. If these had been 
entered by comparison with another source this would obviously be different...

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Per discussione Pieren
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:

 Also feel free to add the code to other pages or remove/discuss it if you
 think it doesn't fit somewhere.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_Mistakes

I don't think the wiki is the right place to highlight tagging
mistakes. These errors are coming from history or some obsolete
presets. We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc). Feel free to ask
enhancements for these tools instead of writing some static sections
in the wiki. Potentially, all tag pages may contain such mistake
sections.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Per discussione Dave F.



We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc).


That osmose site looks good (even better than keepright?). Shame it does 
extend to the UK at the moment.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Norbert Wenzel
On 08/11/2014 10:29 AM, Ed Loach wrote:
 Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you
 could
 ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. 
 
 Are we still talking Incorrect speed limit? What clarification
 does that need? [...]

The start and end of the speed limit are not given. That's what I would
usually ask. And there are speed limits reported that I just don't
believe, eg. the famous 0km/h or 105km/h. Or speed limits in areas with
variable speed limits already tagged in OSM. An application that uses
OSM data and (semi)automatically reports issues should imo filter
obvious errors and *at least give a way for OSM to get in touch with the
application team* to tell them about problems in their
application/version of the OSM data.

 Anyway Incorrect speed limit is one that needs a survey, but not
 really clarification.

You could solve every problem in OSM by survey, but what's the point of
notes saying survey needed?

A lot of messages posted with the same text and known to be of dubious
quality are hiding those messages that are posted by a user on the
osm.org website. Usually users who post notes on the osm.org check back
if the map has changed so I'd like to fix these first.

I think this all boils down to the need for different categories of
notes. Those posted by single users that spot an error on the map and
who care about that report enough to possibly check back and give
further details and those of datausers that have their own crowd (or
tool/validator) that reports errors in the datausers version of OSM data
and where the user might not even know he has put a note on the osm.org
website, so no answer or feedback can be expected (and the report might
be bogus since the error might only be in the datausers data/app).

Norbert

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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer


Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 12:25, Norbert Wenzel 
norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 Anyway Incorrect speed limit is one that needs a survey, but not
 really clarification.
 
 You could solve every problem in OSM by survey, but what's the point of
 notes saying survey needed?


It is like a fix me, it reports a wrong speed limit which are otherwise hard to 
spot



 
 A lot of messages posted with the same text and known to be of dubious
 quality


Have there been cases where at the time the note was created the speed limit in 
osm was actually correct?

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 12:38 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

 
 Have there been cases where at the time the note was created the speed limit 
 in osm was actually correct?
 
Yes, this one which I closed yesterday,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/214534

Only to now spot this one appearing.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/216068

The speed limit was added to this stretch of M25 3 years ago.

Most I have seen have been clearly wrong, 0 kph and 10kph is not a valid
speed limit. 

These notes do seem numerous and are creating a lot of noise making
other valid notes hard to spot. 

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 09:54 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
 On 10/08/14 21:16, Norbert Wenzel wrote:
 
  Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you could
  ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. And that has
  been tried. The quality of these reports has already been discussed on
  this list so I don't see any value in these notes. And I don't think I'm
  alone with my judgment since most if not all of these notes have been
  closed by now by different users.
 
 Just to let people know, I have now managed to make contact with the 
 authors of the app that is creating these notes and they are now 
 reviewing the comments in this thread and working on improvements.
 
What is the app called? Do tell.

Phil (trigpoint)




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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Per discussione Marc Gemis
This is mainly a problem of capacity. During the SOTM EU 2014, the
maintainers/developers of the site asked the different communities for
servers to extend the area that is covered.

regards

m


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:


  We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
 common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc).


 That osmose site looks good (even better than keepright?). Shame it does
 extend to the UK at the moment.

 Dave F.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Norbert Wenzel
On 08/11/2014 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 12:25, Norbert Wenzel 
 norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 A lot of messages posted with the same text and known to be of dubious
 quality
 
 Have there been cases where at the time the note was created the speed limit 
 in osm was actually correct?

Yes there have even been cases where the static speed limit (good old
metal sign) has been correctly tagged in OSM and still reported. And the
other cases have been described in the previous mail.

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [wikimedia-it] Wmf assume sviluppatore per osm

2014-08-11 Per discussione Cristian Consonni
Hello,

forwarding here since I think it's relevant.

«The Wikimedia Foundation is forming a small team to evolve how our
users create, modify, and use map and geospatial information. We
believe location information is at the center of modern devices and we
are eager to empower our users to contribute and consume location
information. We’re especially excited about the work that the
OpenStreetMap project has done and want to better integrate it with
Wikipedia.»

http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qSa9VfwQcs=9UL9Vfwtpage=Job+Descriptionj=ojIlZfw5

So if you are a software engineer yourself or you know somebody suited
for the job please go/point them to the url above.

Cheers.

Cristian

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Re: [OSM-talk] [wikimedia-it] Wmf assume sviluppatore per osm

2014-08-11 Per discussione Cristian Consonni
2014-08-11 12:44 GMT+01:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 forwarding here since I think it's relevant.

(sorry for the thread subject in Italian, I was forwarding from the
Wikimedia Italia mailing list)

C

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Per discussione Frédéric Rodrigo
Le 11/08/2014 11:52, Pieren a écrit : On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM, 
Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:


 Also feel free to add the code to other pages or remove/discuss it 
if you

 think it doesn't fit somewhere.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_Mistakes

 I don't think the wiki is the right place to highlight tagging
 mistakes. These errors are coming from history or some obsolete
 presets. We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
 common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc). Feel free to ask
 enhancements for these tools instead of writing some static sections
 in the wiki. Potentially, all tag pages may contain such mistake
 sections.

You can add this kind of simple detection problem to Osmose QA just by 
adding it on this wiki page :


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner


Le 11/08/2014 13:18, Marc Gemis a écrit :

This is mainly a problem of capacity. During the SOTM EU 2014, the
maintainers/developers of the site asked the different communities for
servers to extend the area that is covered.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

That osmose site looks good (even better than keepright?). Shame it
does extend to the UK at the moment.


Yes. It's the main problem for global coverage. We aim local 
community/chapter provide some resources to analyses local data. On this 
last spring/summer we have improved coverage with new servers around the 
world. I will make an announcement soon about all this news. Btw, we 
have now a coverage map as well :


http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=2lat=0lon=0layer=Mapnikoverlays=FTFF
(after this, for back to errors display, switch layers)

Large countries (in data) need lot of CPU time.

Frédéric.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Per discussione SomeoneElse

On 11/08/2014 13:00, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:



You can add this kind of simple detection problem to Osmose QA just by 
adding it on this wiki page :


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner



In the case of things that aren't simple typos that you think might be 
mistakes, you really ought to try and contact the original mapper 
rather than just removing tags that you don't understand (1).  It may be 
that you don't understand the concept that the original mapper was 
trying to capture, or that they need to document something better, but 
talking rather than remote editing really ought to be the first step.


Cheers,

Andy


(1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/291469081/history


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Per discussione Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 14:00 +0200, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:
 Le 11/08/2014 11:52, Pieren a écrit : On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM, 
 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
  
   Also feel free to add the code to other pages or remove/discuss it 
 if you
   think it doesn't fit somewhere.
  
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_Mistakes
  
   I don't think the wiki is the right place to highlight tagging
   mistakes. These errors are coming from history or some obsolete
   presets. We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
   common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc). Feel free to ask
   enhancements for these tools instead of writing some static sections
   in the wiki. Potentially, all tag pages may contain such mistake
   sections.
 
 You can add this kind of simple detection problem to Osmose QA just by 
 adding it on this wiki page :
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner
 
 
I think a lot of those are dangerous and could remove the meaning
intended by the original mapper, shop=fishing  shop=fish. In my mind
one sells fishing rods and the other fresh fish to take home and cook.

Shop=lingerie is a type in itself, changing it to shop=clothes,
clothes=woman will loose intended meaning.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Per discussione Frédéric Rodrigo
Le 11/08/2014 14:30, SomeoneElse a écrit : On 11/08/2014 13:00, 
Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner

 In the case of things that aren't simple typos that you think might
 be mistakes, you really ought to try and contact the original mapper
 rather than just removing tags that you don't understand (1).  It may
 be that you don't understand the concept that the original mapper was
 trying to capture, or that they need to document something better,
 but talking rather than remote editing really ought to be the first
 step.


Le 11/08/2014 14:50, Philip Barnes a écrit :

I think a lot of those are dangerous and could remove the meaning
intended by the original mapper, shop=fishing  shop=fish. In my mind
one sells fishing rods and the other fresh fish to take home and cook.

Shop=lingerie is a type in itself, changing it to shop=clothes,
clothes=woman will loose intended meaning.


It's not automatic correction. Message are displayed to contributor. 
More over, it's a wiki page, it can be improved.


Regards.
Frédéric.


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[Talk-is] Tenging stíga og rútun fyrir gangandi og hjólandi

2014-08-11 Per discussione Arni Davidsson
Sæl

Á að skrifa hér á ensku frekar en íslensku? Ég byrja allavega á íslensku.

Það hefur áður verið minnst á að leiðavalið (routing) fyrir gangandi og
hjólandi sé ekki að ganga sem skyldi í Open street map. Ástæðan er að hluta
til innfærsla á gögnum yfir stíga frá sveitarfélögunum því í þeim gögnum
virðast stígar oft ekki tengdir yfir götur né við götu. Þannig virkar
leiðavalið ekki vegna þess að stígar eru einfaldlega ekki tengdir. Það er
fyrirsjáanlegt að það er talsverð vinna að tengja stígana. Sjá t.d. það sem
gerist hér að neðan í ridethecity og hvernig gögnin líta út í openstreetmap
og í borgarvefsjá:

http://is.ridethecity.com/#3655489
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/64.14255/-21.90141layers=C
http://borgarvefsja.reykjavik.is/borgarvefsja/?_ga=1.45753188.1365589408.1360679825

Það er spurning hvort stígagögn sveitarfélaganna hafi ekki verið hálfgerður
bjarnargreiði frá þessum sjónarhóli en spurningin er hvernig á að laga
þetta? Á bara að hella sér í að tengja stíga við götur og yfir götur þar
sem um þverun er að ræða. Eins og þið sjáið í Hátúni er fullt af þverunum
og meira að segja þveranir á gangbrautarljósum á Laugavegi koma ekki fram í
Openstreetmap.

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Re: [Talk-is] Tenging stíga og rútun fyrir gangandi og hjólandi

2014-08-11 Per discussione Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Ég er búinn að vera að gera skurk í þessu og þegar RideTheCity uppfærir 
sig sést að mikið af gangstéttum hverfa sem hjólastígar.


Ég er líka búinn að vera að reyna að skilgreina sérstaka hjólaleiðir 
(Relation Cycle Route) og afraksturinn sést betur á OpenCycleMap sem 
uppfærir kortið vikulega frá OSM. Nýjar leiðir frá mér þarna eru 
Kópavogsstígur, Kársnesstígur og svo Elliðaárdalsstígarnir.


http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=12lat=64.12851lon=-21.89742layers=B

Ég áleit sem svo að best sé að taka bicycle=yes af öllum foot path og 
svo bætum við þeim á það sem við teldum vera hjólastíga, ekki 
gangstéttir nema þær geta hins vegar verið hluti hjólaleiða.


Þeir sem muna hvernig OpenCycleMap leit út áður muna kannski að það var 
eiginlega allt í bláum strikum á öllum gangstéttum sem flækti málin 
frekar en einfaldaði.


Nú síðast var ég að skoða tólið sem Strava var að búa til fyrir OSM, þar 
sem þeir nota hlaupa- og hjólagögnin til að hjálpa OSM að nálgast betur 
leiðir. Það verður enginn svikinn af þessum fyrirlestri og tólið sem 
þeir benda á þar svínvirkar, ég var að prófa það. 
http://stateofthemap.us/session/slide/


Ég sakna svo leiða sem þekkjast sem á meðal hjólreiðamanna, til dæmis 
rakst ég á feril frá fyrrum vinnufélaga sem fór Jaðarinn sagði hann.


Það er mýgrútur af tækifærum þarna til að laga og það eru til fleiri tól 
en RideTheCity sem virðast eitthvað rólegir í að updeita.




Þann 11.8.2014 16:26, skrifaði Arni Davidsson:

Sæl

Á að skrifa hér á ensku frekar en íslensku? Ég byrja allavega á íslensku.

Það hefur áður verið minnst á að leiðavalið (routing) fyrir gangandi 
og hjólandi sé ekki að ganga sem skyldi í Open street map. Ástæðan er 
að hluta til innfærsla á gögnum yfir stíga frá sveitarfélögunum því í 
þeim gögnum virðast stígar oft ekki tengdir yfir götur né við götu. 
Þannig virkar leiðavalið ekki vegna þess að stígar eru einfaldlega 
ekki tengdir. Það er fyrirsjáanlegt að það er talsverð vinna að tengja 
stígana. Sjá t.d. það sem gerist hér að neðan í ridethecity og hvernig 
gögnin líta út í openstreetmap og í borgarvefsjá:


http://is.ridethecity.com/#3655489
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/64.14255/-21.90141layers=C
http://borgarvefsja.reykjavik.is/borgarvefsja/?_ga=1.45753188.1365589408.1360679825

Það er spurning hvort stígagögn sveitarfélaganna hafi ekki verið 
hálfgerður bjarnargreiði frá þessum sjónarhóli en spurningin er 
hvernig á að laga þetta? Á bara að hella sér í að tengja stíga við 
götur og yfir götur þar sem um þverun er að ræða. Eins og þið sjáið í 
Hátúni er fullt af þverunum og meira að segja þveranir á 
gangbrautarljósum á Laugavegi koma ekki fram í Openstreetmap.


Einhverjar snjalla hugmyndir?

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Re: [Talk-de] Radweit routen löschen? (WAS: Radweit)

2014-08-11 Per discussione Norbert Wenzel
On 08/08/2014 11:44 PM, Henning Scholland wrote:
 damals vor vielen Jahren als das mit den Routenrelationen gerade
 begann hab ich auch ein paar Radweitstrecken eingetragen. Damals als
 network=radweit. Ob das jetzt immer noch so drin ist oder ob die
 jemand umgetaggt hat oder bereits gelöscht hat weiß ich nicht. Aber
 sowas in der Art halte ich für notwendig. Klar ist: Es braucht einen
 Unterschied zwischen dem herkömmlichen *cn.

Aber nur unter der Annahme dass wirklich jeder jede beliebige Strecke
eintragen können soll. Ob das jetzt Radweit ist oder eben meine eigene
Lieblingsstrecke für Dreiräder mit Hartgummireifen.

Ich denke dass wir eine Grenze ziehen müssen, da die Server sonst für
diverese Routensammlungen als günstiger Hostingprovider missbraucht
werden. Und die physische Ausschilderung ist imo ein gutes Kriterium,
das objektiv und für jeden leicht überprüfbar ist. Wenn wir hingegen
Qualitätskriterien verwenden, dann werden wir vermutlich so viele
Meinungen wie User zu jeder beliebigen Strecke bekommen und uns dann
erst auf nichts einigen können. Ich behaupte jede eingetragene Strecke
wird für irgendwen irgendwann nützlich (gewesen) sein. Die Frage ist ob
sie deshalb in der OSM Datenbank gehosted werden muss, was ich verneinen
würde.

Und ja, ich würde das ganze auch bei *way=proposed so sehen.

Norbert

PS: Und bitte, keine Analogien wieso wir dann Fernbuslinien auch löschen
müssten. Das hat Frederik Ramm bereits beantwortet, dem würd ich mich
genau so anschließen.

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Re: [Talk-de] Veggiekarte.de

2014-08-11 Per discussione Benjamin Lebsanft
Hallo zusammen,

ich tagge alles als diet:vegan=yes wo es vegane Gerichte gibt. Ich finde
diese Information für mich nützlich und es stört mich auch nicht dass
noch andere Dinge angeboten werden. Aber es ist ja angedacht zwischen
yes und only optisch zu unterscheiden, damit die Veganer, die es
stört sich vorher entscheiden können.

Liebe Grüße
Benjamin

Am 10.08.2014 22:10, schrieb Norbert Kück:
 Hallo,
 
 am 10.08.2014 21:19 schrieb 715371:
 Speisekarte aber deutlich mehr Auszeichnungen bekommen. Und Gerichte:
 Von 9 Würsten ist dann nur noch eine vegan.
 Ich gestehe, die Speisekarte nicht gelesen zu haben - ich kenne den
 Laden. Man darf zweifeln, ob sich echte Veganer wirklich wohl fühlen,
 wenn sie zwischen diesen Fleischmassen ihre verirrte Veganwurst suchen
 sollen. :-)
 
 Gruß
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Re: [Talk-de] Veggiekarte.de

2014-08-11 Per discussione André Riedel
Gibt es eigentlich eine Unterscheidung zwischen Viele
vegetarische/vegane Gerichte und Salat+EinOderZweiAndereGerichte ?

Am 11. August 2014 14:03 schrieb Benjamin Lebsanft benja...@lebsanft.org:
 Hallo zusammen,

 ich tagge alles als diet:vegan=yes wo es vegane Gerichte gibt. Ich finde
 diese Information für mich nützlich und es stört mich auch nicht dass
 noch andere Dinge angeboten werden. Aber es ist ja angedacht zwischen
 yes und only optisch zu unterscheiden, damit die Veganer, die es
 stört sich vorher entscheiden können.

 Liebe Grüße
 Benjamin

 Am 10.08.2014 22:10, schrieb Norbert Kück:
 Hallo,

 am 10.08.2014 21:19 schrieb 715371:
 Speisekarte aber deutlich mehr Auszeichnungen bekommen. Und Gerichte:
 Von 9 Würsten ist dann nur noch eine vegan.
 Ich gestehe, die Speisekarte nicht gelesen zu haben - ich kenne den
 Laden. Man darf zweifeln, ob sich echte Veganer wirklich wohl fühlen,
 wenn sie zwischen diesen Fleischmassen ihre verirrte Veganwurst suchen
 sollen. :-)

 Gruß
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Re: [Talk-de] Veggiekarte.de

2014-08-11 Per discussione Benjamin Lebsanft
Juhu Relevanzkriterien ;) Hmm ja schwierig das.

Am 11.08.2014 14:43, schrieb André Riedel:
 Gibt es eigentlich eine Unterscheidung zwischen Viele
 vegetarische/vegane Gerichte und Salat+EinOderZweiAndereGerichte ?
 
 Am 11. August 2014 14:03 schrieb Benjamin Lebsanft benja...@lebsanft.org:
 Hallo zusammen,

 ich tagge alles als diet:vegan=yes wo es vegane Gerichte gibt. Ich finde
 diese Information für mich nützlich und es stört mich auch nicht dass
 noch andere Dinge angeboten werden. Aber es ist ja angedacht zwischen
 yes und only optisch zu unterscheiden, damit die Veganer, die es
 stört sich vorher entscheiden können.

 Liebe Grüße
 Benjamin

 Am 10.08.2014 22:10, schrieb Norbert Kück:
 Hallo,

 am 10.08.2014 21:19 schrieb 715371:
 Speisekarte aber deutlich mehr Auszeichnungen bekommen. Und Gerichte:
 Von 9 Würsten ist dann nur noch eine vegan.
 Ich gestehe, die Speisekarte nicht gelesen zu haben - ich kenne den
 Laden. Man darf zweifeln, ob sich echte Veganer wirklich wohl fühlen,
 wenn sie zwischen diesen Fleischmassen ihre verirrte Veganwurst suchen
 sollen. :-)

 Gruß
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Re: [Talk-de] Veggiekarte.de

2014-08-11 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Am 11.08.2014 14:43, schrieb André Riedel:
 Gibt es eigentlich eine Unterscheidung zwischen Viele
 vegetarische/vegane Gerichte und Salat+EinOderZweiAndereGerichte ?

Da kommt es jetzt darauf an, wie man die Definition liest. Es heißt ja
für yes: full options available (i.e. several proper meals not just
side salads in restaurants or a baked potato in a pub ...)

Insofern könnte man durchaus argumentieren, dass
Salat+EinOderZweiAndereGerichte nicht für yes reicht.

Zufriedenstellend ist das nicht, denn dann geht der wichtige Unterschied
zwischen überhaupt keinen Optionen und wenig Optionen verloren. Aber
wenn man ein minimales Angebot und ein sehr reichhaltiges beide mit yes
versieht, dann ist das auch nicht ideal.

Eigentlich bräuchte man einen zusätzlichen limited-Wert zwischen no
und yes.

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Re: [Talk-de] Veggiekarte.de

2014-08-11 Per discussione André Riedel
Keine Relevanzkriterien, aber ein Wert zwischen yes und only?
diet:vegan = no/yes/*/only

Bei Taginfo gibt es noch few/limited/partial/some für sehr wenige Gerichte.
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diet:vegetarian#values

Am 11. August 2014 14:54 schrieb Benjamin Lebsanft benja...@lebsanft.org:
 Juhu Relevanzkriterien ;) Hmm ja schwierig das.

 Am 11.08.2014 14:43, schrieb André Riedel:
 Gibt es eigentlich eine Unterscheidung zwischen Viele
 vegetarische/vegane Gerichte und Salat+EinOderZweiAndereGerichte ?

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Re: [Talk-de] Veggiekarte.de

2014-08-11 Per discussione 715371
Hi,

Am 11.08.2014 um 14:59 schrieb Tobias Knerr:
 Am 11.08.2014 14:43, schrieb André Riedel:
 Gibt es eigentlich eine Unterscheidung zwischen Viele
 vegetarische/vegane Gerichte und Salat+EinOderZweiAndereGerichte ?
 
 Da kommt es jetzt darauf an, wie man die Definition liest. Es heißt ja
 für yes: full options available (i.e. several proper meals not just
 side salads in restaurants or a baked potato in a pub ...)
 
 Insofern könnte man durchaus argumentieren, dass
 Salat+EinOderZweiAndereGerichte nicht für yes reicht.

Könnte man da nicht noch etwas genauer werden?
yes, falls es in jedem Gang (Getränke eingeschlossen), den der POI
anbietet wenigstens mehr als eine (Auswahl)möglichkeit gibt. So war das
doch bestimmt eigentlich gemeint.

Eine schärfere Regelung für yes würde auch evtl einen weiteren Wert wie
limited oder ähnliches überflüssig machen.

IMHO würde ich es vom Tagging her schöner finden, wenn für yes nur die
Existenz gefordert wird. Also nicht several (was ja mindestens 2
entspricht). So Wörter wie several provozieren hier unnötig Differenzen.

 Zufriedenstellend ist das nicht, denn dann geht der wichtige Unterschied
 zwischen überhaupt keinen Optionen und wenig Optionen verloren. Aber
 wenn man ein minimales Angebot und ein sehr reichhaltiges beide mit yes
 versieht, dann ist das auch nicht ideal.
 
 Eigentlich bräuchte man einen zusätzlichen limited-Wert zwischen no
 und yes.

Ich vermute mal, dass das dann auf Definitionen hinausläuft wie
mindestens die Hälfte aller angebotenen Gerichte/Gänge/Getränke ist
vegetarisch.

LG
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[Talk-de] Wochenaufgabe KW33/34 Adressen ohne Strasse

2014-08-11 Per discussione Christoph (TheFive@OSM)
Hi,
Etwas verspätet mein Thread zur Wochenaufgabe: Ihr habt ja im Forum Thread 
Adressstatistik schon wacker losgelegt.
Ich hatte zwischen Tür und Angel schon die Auswertung von Gehrkes Zahlen 
getweeted (#osmwa3334).
Google Tabelle zur Chartansicht
Im ersten Reiter den Filter wählen und im zweiten dann die Grafik anschauen.
Filterbar ist Bundesland, Grössenordnung und Grössenordnung Änderung.
Viel Spass beim Fixen.

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[Talk-de] RadioOSM: OSMDE037 Interview: Offene Behörden

2014-08-11 Per discussione mazdermind
Hallo liebe OpenStreetMapper,
die neuste Folge von RadioOSM - OSMDE037 Interview: Offene Behörden - ist 
verfügbar und sollte in Kürze in euren Podcatchern auftauchen.
Natürlich könnt ihr diese Folge auch in unserem Blog hören: 
http://ift.tt/1sOME8z
Dort findet ihr auch Links zu allen Themen, über die wir gespochen haben.
Viel Spaß damit und Liebe Grüße,
euer RadioOSM Team
- Andi, Marc und Michael
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[Talk-it] Fwd: [wikimedia-it] Costituzione di WMI come capitolo territoriale di OSMF - la delibera!

2014-08-11 Per discussione Cristian Consonni
Ciao a tutti,

Domenica 3 agosto Simone ed io abbiamo partecipato ad una riunione (via
Mumble) del LCWG (Local Chapters Working Group) che ha proposto a OSMF ed
al suo board un modello definitivo di Chapter Agreement,
l'accordo/contratto che OSMF stringerà con i futuri capitoli locali.

Abbiamo discusso di questo accordo nei mesi passati proponendo alcune
modifiche e integrazioni (niente di eclatante, sostanzialmente specificare
meglio alcuni punti in particolare quelli riguardanti i loghi).

Ho spostato il testo della delibera su questa pagina pubblica, seguite
questo link:
http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Delibere/2014/Costituzione_di_WMI_come_capitolo_territoriale_di_OSM_Foundation

Ovviamente le porte di WIkimedia Italia (sperabilmente presto nota anche
come OpenStreetMap Italia) sono sempre aperte.

Se volete iscrivervi potete farlo qui:
http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Iscrizioni

Colgo l'occasione per ricordare a chi fosse socio (o fosse interessato a
divetarlo) di chiedere di essere iscritto alla lista dei soci dove vengono
discusse le iniziative ed a partecipare alle attività dell'associazione.

Cristian Consonni
per conto di WIkimedia Italia
Cari tutti,

mentre Jimbo si scaglia con tutto il suo peso (lulz) contro coloro che
rendono l'aria irrespirabile su Wikipedia, ho finito di caricare anche
i testi riguardo una importante delibera (la terza) che abbiamo
approvato nella riunione dell'8 agosto (nota: sì, l'invio di una mail
per tema è voluto, si tratta di temi differenti e da trattare in
thread differenti).

Abbiamo ricevuto il sostanziale via libera per costituirci come
capitolo territoriale di OpenStreetMap Foundation. In altre parole, il
processo di collaborazione fra WMI e OSM sta per fare il passo
decisivo.

La delibera si trova qui:
http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Associazione:Delibere/2014/Costituzione_di_WMI_come_capitolo_territoriale_di_OSM_Foundation

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [wikimedia-it] Costituzione di WMI come capitolo territoriale di OSMF - la delibera!

2014-08-11 Per discussione Carlo Stemberger
Il giorno 11 agosto 2014 09:17, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com
ha scritto:

 Se volete iscrivervi potete farlo qui:

 http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Iscrizioni


Come avevo scritto tempo fa, appena l'associazione accetterà pagamenti in
bitcoin io mi iscriverò senz'altro; tra l'altro OSM Foundation accetta
bitcoin da un sacco di tempo, e di recente si è aggiunta anche Wikimedia
Foundation.

Ciao!

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[Talk-it] Fwd: [wikimedia-it] Wmf assume sviluppatore per osm

2014-08-11 Per discussione Cristian Consonni
Ciao,

Wikimedia Foundation cerca una sviluppatore con background OSM.

Ecco la call qui (in inglese):
http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qSa9VfwQcs=9UL9Vfwtpage=Job+Descriptionj=ojIlZfw5

Mi porto anche avanti e vi faccio notare che spesso molti sviluppatori
WMF riescono a lavorare da remoto. Quindi se avete le competenze
adatte e non vi fate spaventare da qualche viaggio a San Francisco
ogni tanto, candidatevi.

Ciao,

C

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Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto sentiero da cancellare o meno?

2014-08-11 Per discussione mircozorzo
Ciao, provando a modificare la relazione ottengo errori, avreste voglia di
aiutarmi a sistemare?

Grazie.

Ciao, Mirco



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Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto sentiero da cancellare o meno?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Volker Schmidt
fa mezz'ora. vado a prendere un caffè


2014-08-11 15:26 GMT+02:00 mircozorzo mircozo...@inwind.it:

 Ciao, provando a modificare la relazione ottengo errori, avreste voglia di
 aiutarmi a sistemare?

 Grazie.

 Ciao, Mirco



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[Talk-uy] State of Map 2014 - Buenos Aires

2014-08-11 Per discussione muralito


Estimados: 




Del 7 al 9 de noviembre es la Conferencia Internacional de Openstreetmap, que 
este año se hace en Buenos Aires, organizado con los esfuerzos de la comunidad 
argentina. 

Esto es mas o menos como el mundial, una vez que queda cerca esta bueno 
aprovechar e ir. 




Les adjunto la invitacion y ademas el planteo de ir armando algo en conjunto. 




Saludos, 

M. 








Sigue la invitacion  








Hola! 

Este es un contacto personal como miembro del grupo local organizador de: 

State of the Map 2014 - Buenos Aires! http://stateofthemap.org/ 

8va Conferencia Internacional de Cartografía Digital Libre Una comunidad 
abierta y apasionada por mapear el mundo 

El evento internacional de OSM por primera vez en latinoamerica. 

Te proponemos que participes! 

• 

Animete a prensentar algun tema como conferencista. Si quieres, y no se te 
ocurre nada :P , tenemos una lista de temas (y material) para sugerirte. 
• 

Anotate como colaborador, falta mucho por hacer, tareas menores y mayores para 
elegir! Ya tenemos la sede del lugar (Centro Argentino de Ingenieros) y algunos 
patrocinadores. 
• 

Registrate como miebro de OSM en: http://sotm14.eventbrite.com/ 


CONTACTO openstreetmap.org.ar @- gmail.com (Generico) gonzalo @- 
stateofthemap.org (Coordinator) infosefer @- yahoo.com (Yo, Sefer) 

Saludos. Sefer.



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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Shenstone done

2014-08-11 Per discussione Rob Nickerson
Nice one.
I've added a few OSM Notes of things that caught my attention when checking
with the geofabrik OSM Inspector tool. If you have time to stop by these,
that would be great.

Rob


On 7 August 2014 22:12, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wrapped up the remaining main Shenstone area mapping this evening. There
 is still the little private road in the NE corner which I’ll check out on
 the bike next time I’m up there.



 Looks great.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.6379/-1.8383



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Re: [Talk-es] Mapeo con cat2osm2 y josm para un pueblecito de Castellón

2014-08-11 Per discussione Ander Pijoan
Perdón por la tardanza, es que estoy en el quinto pino.

Si andamos siempre esperando para subir los datos, al final seguirá el mapa
igual que siempre. Lo del 3D son unos tags nuevos que han definido, pero en
cuanto terminemos de pasar el cat2osm a 3D igual luego cambian otra cosa y
vuelta a esperar.

Ahora que es verano, tenemos tiempo libre para pasear, revisar datos, etc.
Yo me pondría con ello ahora y cuando esté lo de 3D el cambio será muy
fácil y sin necesidad de romper nada.

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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Manuel Kaufmann
Hola!

2014-08-11 11:20 GMT-03:00 Gabriel gepat...@gmail.com:
 Bienvenido che, creo que nos cruzamos en algun pycamp (el de Verónica... fue
 en el 2012??)

Puede ser. Yo recuerdo tu nombre, pero no te tengo de cara ahora
mismo. Igual, tengo bastante mala memoria, no me sorprendería si me
decís que estuvimos charlando todo un día :P

 Yo empece hace bastante y retome fuerte el año pasado cuando me mudé a
 SMAndes. Al principio usaba el editor web, pero hace dos semanas empece con
 el josm y si, es mucho mejor.

Voy a bajar el JOSM y empezar a verlo.

¿Qué usan ustedes en sus GPS? ¿Cuál es su caballito de batalla? Por
ejemplo, yo tengo el OSM y ProyectoMapear en el GPS. Normalmente uso
OSM pero por ahí chequeo algo que me parece sospechoso del OSM en los
mapas de ProyectoMapear.

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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Fernando Toledo
El 11/08/14 14:39, Gabriel escribió:
 Hace un mes y medio puse el mapa de OSM por primera vez en el gps y no
 volví atras.
 
 Por donde vivo yo se ven las mejoras que voy haciendo en cada nueva
 release, asi que es un motivo más para ir colaborando con osm.
 
cual es la version de osm para garmis que estas bajando?
como esta el tema de las alturas de las calles?

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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Fernando Toledo
El 11/08/14 15:24, Fernando Toledo escribió:
 El 11/08/14 14:39, Gabriel escribió:
 Hace un mes y medio puse el mapa de OSM por primera vez en el gps y no
 volví atras.

 Por donde vivo yo se ven las mejoras que voy haciendo en cada nueva
 release, asi que es un motivo más para ir colaborando con osm.

 cual es la version de osm para garmis que estas bajando?
 como esta el tema de las alturas de las calles?
 
s/garmis/garmin/

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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Manuel Kaufmann
2014-08-11 15:24 GMT-03:00 Fernando Toledo ftol...@docksud.com.ar:
 cual es la version de osm para garmis que estas bajando?

 1 .Entro en este sitio

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

 2. Selecciono en el mapa las áreas que quiero descargar
 3. Me manda un email con el link para la descarga.

 como esta el tema de las alturas de las calles?

¿a qué te referís con esto? Si es a la numeración de las calles, en
general las que he utilizado mientras estuve viajando estaban mal por
aproximadamente 3 o 4 cuadras. En Chile, le erraba como por 10 más o
menos.


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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Federico Pértile
Salvo que me haya quedado desactualizado el problema de los mapas Garmin 
basados en OSM es que no tienen altura de calles y no está previsto que lo 
tengan.

Con OsmAnd tenés las alturas, pero claro, necesitás Android.

Manuel como te dijeron lo mejor es empezar con tu barrio y ciudad, en general 
los trazados de calles y nombres de calles están (salvo barrios nuevos), lo que 
puede faltar son los sentidos, tag surface (paved, unpaved), y también 
enderezar las calles. Las alturas de calles es donde más verde estamos, pero 
también lo más complicado, yo te recomiendo que te familiarices con JOSM y 
después arranques con las alturas.


El día lunes, 11 de agosto de 2014 14:40, Gabriel gepat...@gmail.com escribió:
 





Hace un mes y medio puse el mapa de OSM por primera vez en el gps y no volví 
atras. 

Por donde vivo yo se ven las mejoras que voy haciendo en cada nueva release, 
asi que es un motivo más para ir colaborando con osm. 



El 11 de agosto de 2014, 12:58, Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com escribió:

Hola!

2014-08-11 11:20 GMT-03:00 Gabriel gepat...@gmail.com:

 Bienvenido che, creo que nos cruzamos en algun pycamp (el de Verónica... fue
 en el 2012??)

Puede ser. Yo recuerdo tu nombre, pero no te tengo de cara ahora
mismo. Igual, tengo bastante mala memoria, no me sorprendería si me
decís que estuvimos charlando todo un día :P


 Yo empece hace bastante y retome fuerte el año pasado cuando me mudé a
 SMAndes. Al principio usaba el editor web, pero hace dos semanas empece con
 el josm y si, es mucho mejor.

Voy a bajar el JOSM y empezar a verlo.

¿Qué usan ustedes en sus GPS? ¿Cuál es su caballito de batalla? Por
ejemplo, yo tengo el OSM y ProyectoMapear en el GPS. Normalmente uso
OSM pero por ahí chequeo algo que me parece sospechoso del OSM en los
mapas de ProyectoMapear.


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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Martin Andres Gomez Gimenez
El lun, 11-08-2014 a las 15:27 -0300, Fernando Toledo escribió:

 El 11/08/14 15:24, Fernando Toledo escribió:
  El 11/08/14 14:39, Gabriel escribió:
  Hace un mes y medio puse el mapa de OSM por primera vez en el gps y no
  volví atras.
 
  Por donde vivo yo se ven las mejoras que voy haciendo en cada nueva
  release, asi que es un motivo más para ir colaborando con osm.
 
  cual es la version de osm para garmis que estas bajando?
  como esta el tema de las alturas de las calles?
  
 s/garmis/garmin/



Hola Fernando!

Te faltó poner sed delante... Je

Mirror mapa Garmin -- http://osm-garmin.bbs.docksud.com.ar/

Y hablando del mapa: esta semana no compilé el mapa porque el Osmosis me
tiró unos errores al intentar filtrar los límites, pero bueno me haré un
tiempito para ver que es...


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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Gabriel
mm... no tuve en cuenta el tema de las alturas de calles, acá en San Martín
de los Andes no te manejas tanto por dirección numerica sino por
referencias, así que no creo que nadie se halla tomado el laburo de cargar
las alturas, y por eso mismo no noté que falten en el mapa para el gps.

Volviendo a la consulta de humitos, pegale una leida a la pagina del
proyecto de Argentina, te va a ahorrar varias metidas de pata.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Argentina


Y acá hay tres mirrors (uno mio :)) de donde bajar los mapas que compila
Martín

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Argentina#Mapa_ruteable_para_Garmin


El 11 de agosto de 2014, 15:41, Martin Andres Gomez Gimenez 
mggime...@i-nis.com.ar escribió:

  El lun, 11-08-2014 a las 15:27 -0300, Fernando Toledo escribió:

 El 11/08/14 15:24, Fernando Toledo escribió: El 11/08/14 14:39, Gabriel 
 escribió: Hace un mes y medio puse el mapa de OSM por primera vez en el gps 
 y no volví atras. Por donde vivo yo se ven las mejoras que voy haciendo 
 en cada nueva release, asi que es un motivo más para ir colaborando con 
 osm. cual es la version de osm para garmis que estas bajando? como esta 
 el tema de las alturas de las calles?
 s/garmis/garmin/

   Hola Fernando!

 Te faltó poner sed delante... Je

 Mirror mapa Garmin -- http://osm-garmin.bbs.docksud.com.ar/

 Y hablando del mapa: esta semana no compilé el mapa porque el Osmosis me
 tiró unos errores al intentar filtrar los límites, pero bueno me haré un
 tiempito para ver que es...


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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Fernando Toledo
El 11/08/14 15:41, Martin Andres Gomez Gimenez escribió:
 Hola Fernando!
 
 Te faltó poner sed delante... Je
 
 Mirror mapa Garmin -- http://osm-garmin.bbs.docksud.com.ar/
 
 Y hablando del mapa: esta semana no compilé el mapa porque el Osmosis me
 tiró unos errores al intentar filtrar los límites, pero bueno me haré un
 tiempito para ver que es...
 
Sisi alto mirror ;), preguntaba por si estaban usando algun otro ya que
hace bocha que no usaba el gps
voy a actualizarlo de nuevo.

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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Martin Andres Gomez Gimenez
El lun, 11-08-2014 a las 11:31 -0700, Federico Pértile escribió:
 Salvo que me haya quedado desactualizado el problema de los mapas
 Garmin basados en OSM es que no tienen altura de calles y no está
 previsto que lo tengan.


Hola Federico!

Lamento decirte que has quedado muy desactualizado. Las alturas en los
mapas para Garmin funcionan y muy bien. No se quién hizo correr la
versión de que nunca funcionarían las alturas, ya que los
desarrolladores de Mkgmap han trabajado muy duro para hacer que
funcione. El ruteo y los tiempos de arribo también funcionan bien, pero
dependen (al igual que las alturas) que el la región geográfica esté
correctamente relevada y si es posible bien detallada.


Recomiendo que pruebes el mapa que compilo en un Garmin y después me
contas. Seguramente encontrarás errore, los cuales estaría bueno que los
reportaras en el foro para poder corregirlos.


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Re: [Talk-ar] Empezando

2014-08-11 Per discussione Manuel Kaufmann
2014-08-11 21:43 GMT-03:00 Martin Andres Gomez Gimenez mggime...@i-nis.com.ar:
 Recomiendo que pruebes el mapa que compilo en un Garmin y después me contas

¿Cuál es la diferencia entre los mapas que compilás vos y los que
descargo desde acá?

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/




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Re: [Talk-at] Unterschiede zwischen basemap.at und geoimage.at

2014-08-11 Per discussione martin ringer
Ich habe den Eindruck, dass manchmal die Hausnummern auf den falschen Gebäuden 
sind.
Bauernhof mit einigen Gebäuden, Hausnummer auf einer Lagerhalle, wo das 
Wohnhaus gut erkennbar ist.

 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:35:19 +0200
 From: da...@black.co.at
 To: talk-at@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [Talk-at] Unterschiede zwischen basemap.at und geoimage.at
 
 Hi,
 
 gibt es eigentlich Richtlinien oder Überlegungen wie man mit 
 Unterschieden zwischen basemap.at und geoimage.at umgehen soll? Ich bin 
 gerade dabei eine Ortschaft zu erfassen und habe einige Häuser gefunden, 
 die am Luftbild existieren, für die aber keine basemap Shape existiert.
 
 Ebenso sehen einige Straßen auf basemap sehr komisch aus (Überlappung 
 mit Häusern, keine Deckung mit Luftbild).
 
 Wie geht man mit sowas um? Gibt es bei basemap jemanden der sich für 
 solche Situationen interessiert?
 
 
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Re: [Talk-at] Unterschiede zwischen basemap.at und geoimage.at

2014-08-11 Per discussione Andreas Labres
On 11.08.14 09:09, martin ringer wrote:
 Ich habe den Eindruck, dass manchmal die Hausnummern auf den falschen Gebäuden
 sind.
 Bauernhof mit einigen Gebäuden, Hausnummer auf einer Lagerhalle, wo das
 Wohnhaus gut erkennbar ist.

Ja, manchmal ist die Hausnummer auch an der (alleinstehenden) Garage statt am
Wohnhaus.

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Re: [Talk-at] Günstiger GPS-Logger

2014-08-11 Per discussione kelvan bugmenot
Am 9. August 2014 11:05 schrieb Norbert Wenzel norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com:
 Wenn dir das passt, kannst du den Logger ausborgen, ich brauch ihn eh
 sehr selten.

Das wäre super, wie lange kannst du ihn denn entbehren?
Wenn das Wetter mitspielt bin ich das Wochenende Bergwandern und würde
bei der Gelegenheit gleich austesten ob ich damit zurecht komme (nicht
das ich nach ein paar Tagen draufkomme das gar nicht mitgeloggt
wurde).
Wäre dann die ersten beiden Septemberwochen weg.

lg,
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Re: [Talk-at] Günstiger GPS-Logger

2014-08-11 Per discussione Norbert Wenzel
On 08/11/2014 02:28 PM, kelvan bugmenot wrote:
 Am 9. August 2014 11:05 schrieb Norbert Wenzel 
 norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com:
 Wenn dir das passt, kannst du den Logger ausborgen, ich brauch ihn eh
 sehr selten.
 
 Das wäre super, wie lange kannst du ihn denn entbehren?
 Wenn das Wetter mitspielt bin ich das Wochenende Bergwandern und würde
 bei der Gelegenheit gleich austesten ob ich damit zurecht komme (nicht
 das ich nach ein paar Tagen draufkomme das gar nicht mitgeloggt
 wurde).
 Wäre dann die ersten beiden Septemberwochen weg.

Soll mir Recht sein. Ich hab zur Not noch den alten iBlue 747. Der hält
zwar nicht so lang, aber längere Touren hab ich ohnehin keine in Planung.

Details einfach per mail direkt an mich statt an die Liste.

lg,
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[Talk-at] LUGT/OSM-Stammtisch Innsbruck am 14. August 2014

2014-08-11 Per discussione Simon Legner

Servus!

Wir möchten zum nächsten gemeinsamen LUGT-/OSM-Stammtisch einladen:

am Donnerstag, 14. August 2014 um 19:00 Uhr
im Restaurant Kastanie
Innsbrucker Straße 4, 6176 Völs

Wir freuen uns auf ein zahlreiches Erscheinen!

Die Einladung ist wie immer auch im OSM-Wiki und auf der LUGT-Webseite
zu finden:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Innsbruck/Stammtisch
http://www.lugt.at/

Grüße
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Re: [Talk-cat] platges que menguen i espigons

2014-08-11 Per discussione Xavier Barnada
Hola,

Jo sempre miro que les dades siguin el mes semblants a la realitat que puc,
tot i aixo amb aquest tipus de dades que poden canviar al llarg de l'any es
complicat.El que faig es canviar-ho quan veig que el que hi ha a OSM es
molt diferent de la realitat.

El que no recomanaria es el fet de moure la linea de costa ja que si es mou
i per algun motiu es trenca destroça el renderitzat i pot ser complicat de
trobar l'error.

Salutacions
 El dia 11/08/2014 18:00, Miquel Morell mmorell08...@gmail.com va
escriure:

 estaba endreçant una mica la zona de platja vilssar de mar.
 resulta que enguany no han regenerat la sorra, es a dir que de el que diu
 OSM, al que es veu a les fotos de satelit , fins la crua realitat (no hi ha
 platja) hi ha un mon.

 que recomaneu: anar modificant le platges conforme s'omplenin o es buidin,
 o deixar-ho com esta.
 el no deixar-ho implica feina de per vida, donada la lluita entre politics
 (per possar sorra i tindre platja) i la natura (corrents i tempestes que se
 l'emporten)

 per cert he clasificat els espigons com
   man_made=breakwater

 tambe he clasificat aixi els murs de pedra que hi ha entre platja i
 passeig maritim, tot i que no sempre toquen al mar. hi teniu algun
 comentari?
 jo no acabo de veure clar clasificar-los com retaining-wall, donat que el
 mar hi pica si hi ha lleventada, i per aixo els han possat.
 salut
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Re: [Talk-cz] RUIAN a inkrementální aktualizace

2014-08-11 Per discussione Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Dne 10.8.2014 21:49, Petr Vejsada napsal(a):
 Mám schema, vzniklé z dat ke dni 30.4. plus aktualizace. Od začátku těch 
 aktualizací tam mám ten patch, co ignoruje čísla transakcí, tedy *ignoruje*, 
 není tam =, jak je asi v poslední -dev, viz debata na Githubu. To jen pro 
 pořádek. Ač není pravděpodobné, že by se čísla transakcí někdy 
 dekrementovala, 
 vyloučit to asi nemůžeme!
 
 * SO 78153263 je v červencovém dumpu (20140731_OB_554791_UKSH.xml.gz),
 ale není v dumpu z června ani žádném změnovém souboru.
 
 select deleted,id_trans_ruian,definicni_bod is not NULL as 
 definicni_bod,hranice 
 is not NULL as hranice,plati_od,item_timestamp from ruian.rn_stavebni_objekt 
 where kod=78153263;
 
  deleted | id_trans_ruian | definicni_bod | hranice |  plati_od  |   
 item_timestamp
 -++---+-++
  f   | 627026 | t | f   | 20.06.2014 | 22.06.2014 
 11:38:58.947812
 
 je tedy ve změnovém souboru z průběhu června. Nahráno 22.6., takže asi soubor 
 z 21.6., ale nevím jistě. Nenahrávám každý den, jen skoro každý den.
 
 V dumpu z června by ovšem být měl.

Tak tohle mě vážně nenapadlo... dohledal jsem to ve změnovém souboru z
20.6. a obsah do puntíku sedí s tím, co je v červencovém dumpu. Ale v
červnu fakt nebyl.

Takže chyby jsou vážně v obojím, což opravdu není dobré :/

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Re: [Talk-cz] Dokončení importu adres

2014-08-11 Per discussione Marián Kyral


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Předmět: [Talk-cz] Dokončení importu adres

Ahoj,

zbývá nám necelé jedno procento adres, přičemž půlka toho procenta je 
problematická.

Jedná se o obce:
okres Praha-východ:
Jevany
Kozojedy
Stříbrná Skalice
Vyžlovka
okres Břeclav:
Mikulov
Břeclav

U všech, s výjimkou Břeclavi, jde o značný podíl dvojitých (trojitých, ...) 
adres typu číslo 35 a 5035. Nechce se mi vědomě toto nahrávat do OSM, i když
v 
minulosti byly nahrány i obce s větším podílem tohoto jevu




Ahoj,

nemá to někdo poblíž? Asi by byl vhodný průzkum v terénu. Třeba tam fakt 
jsou dvě čísla :-D




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Re: [Talk-cz] Návod: jak natlačit lesy do zákoutí v LPIS (ContourMerge plugin)

2014-08-11 Per discussione Martin Švec - OSM
Jup :-))) Kam jsem se sakra díval, že jsem ten plugin přehlídnul?

Návod je zbytečně složitý, plugin toho umí mnooohem víc než popisuješ :-) 
Klikáním na uzly se totiž
dají cesty virtuálně rozsekat na menší úseky, není potřeba nic rozdělovat a 
slučovat. Takže po
zjednodušení:

(1) Kliknout na ikonu ContourMerge.
(2) Kliknout na dva uzly zdrojové cesty, objeví se na nich žluté křížky.
(3) Kliknout na dva uzly cílové cesty, zas se vyznačí křížky.
(4) Přetáhnout myší takto vybraný úsek zdrojové cesty na odpovídající úsek 
cílové cesty.

A co je nejlepší, dají se tím naráz spravit všechny nesrovnalosti kolem LPIS 
polygonu, překryvy i
poloostrovy, i když jsou tvořeny více cestami. Těch rozdělovacích křížků se 
totiž dá naklikat
neomezené množství na různých cestách a pak se dají úseky mezi nimi libovolně 
přesouvat. V rámci
stejné cesty může být jeden úsek zdrojový, druhý cílový, záleží co se kam 
přetáhne. Křížky se dají
průběžně přidávat a odebírat. A přetahovat se dá tak dlouho, dokud je funkce 
zapnutá. Poloostrov z
více cest sice nejde zaplnit v jediném kroku, ale křížkování a přetahování po 
úsecích je triviální.
Stačí si jen předdělat na segmentu zdrojové cesty zásobu uzlů, aby bylo z čeho 
přetahovat.

Ruční práce na půl hodiny se smrskla na pár intuitivních kliků a přetažení. A 
krásně se tím dělají i
nové plochy, hur.

Martin

Dne 10.8.2014 23:37, Marián Kyral napsal(a):
 Ahoj,
 Při hledání možností, jak řešit problém v předmětu jsem procházel seznam
 pluginů a narazil na CountourMerge plugin [1]. Ten už mám sice dlouho
 nainstalovaný, ale až dnes jsem se na něj podíval podrobněji a zjistil
 jak se s ním vlastně pracuje. Není to nic složitého, jsou potřeba jen
 dva segmenty, se kterými plugin manipuluje.

 Velmi dobře to funguje u poloostrovů tvořených jednou cestou. Pokud je
 tam těch cest více, tak to taky jde, ale je to větší piplačka - je
 potřeba pracovat s každou cestou zvlášť.

 Udělal jsem k tomu obrázkový návod a protože se mi nevešel do emailu,
 najdete jej tady: http://osm.kyralovi.cz/navody/ContourMerge_plugin.html

 Snad se to bude někomu hodit.

 Marián

 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/ContourMerge



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Re: [Talk-cz] Návod: jak natlačit lesy do zákoutí v LPIS (ContourMerge plugin)

2014-08-11 Per discussione Marián Kyral
Aha, koukám, že jsem to neposlal do konference ;-)
Navíc, jsem našel dole na stránce, takový nenápadný odkaz, kde to popsáno 
je. Škoda, že jsem to nedočetl až do konce ;-)

http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/ContourMerge

Marián


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(ContourMerge plugin)


Fakt? Tak na to jsem nedošel. Ono se taky není co divit, tak wiki stránka je
taková nijaká a z těch obrázků jsem jen vydedukoval, že se to musí nějak 
rozdělit. Nad těmi žlutými křížky jsem moc nedumal a louskat zdroják se mi 
moc nechtělo ;-)

Díky za zprávu. Možná by nebylo od věci tu wiki stránku vhodně doplnit a 
udělat překlad do češtiny.

Marián


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Datum: 11. 8. 2014 14:05:32
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Návod: jak natlačit lesy do zákoutí v LPIS 
(ContourMerge plugin)

Jup :-))) Kam jsem se sakra díval, že jsem ten plugin přehlídnul?

Návod je zbytečně složitý, plugin toho umí mnooohem víc než popisuješ :-) 
Klikáním na uzly se totiž
dají cesty virtuálně rozsekat na menší úseky, není potřeba nic rozdělovat 
a slučovat. Takže po
zjednodušení:

(1) Kliknout na ikonu ContourMerge.
(2) Kliknout na dva uzly zdrojové cesty, objeví se na nich žluté křížky.
(3) Kliknout na dva uzly cílové cesty, zas se vyznačí křížky.
(4) Přetáhnout myší takto vybraný úsek zdrojové cesty na odpovídající úsek 
cílové cesty.

A co je nejlepší, dají se tím naráz spravit všechny nesrovnalosti kolem LPIS
polygonu, překryvy i
poloostrovy, i když jsou tvořeny více cestami. Těch rozdělovacích křížků 
se totiž dá naklikat
neomezené množství na různých cestách a pak se dají úseky mezi nimi 
libovolně přesouvat. V rámci
stejné cesty může být jeden úsek zdrojový, druhý cílový, záleží co se kam 
přetáhne. Křížky se dají
průběžně přidávat a odebírat. A přetahovat se dá tak dlouho, dokud je funkce
zapnutá. Poloostrov z
více cest sice nejde zaplnit v jediném kroku, ale křížkování a přetahování 
po úsecích je triviální.
Stačí si jen předdělat na segmentu zdrojové cesty zásobu uzlů, aby bylo z 
čeho přetahovat.

Ruční práce na půl hodiny se smrskla na pár intuitivních kliků a přetažení. 
A krásně se tím dělají i
nové plochy, hur.

Martin

Dne 10.8.2014 23:37, Marián Kyral napsal(a):
 Ahoj,
 Při hledání možností, jak řešit problém v předmětu jsem procházel seznam
 pluginů a narazil na CountourMerge plugin [1]. Ten už mám sice dlouho
 nainstalovaný, ale až dnes jsem se na něj podíval podrobněji a zjistil
 jak se s ním vlastně pracuje. Není to nic složitého, jsou potřeba jen
 dva segmenty, se kterými plugin manipuluje.

 Velmi dobře to funguje u poloostrovů tvořených jednou cestou. Pokud je
 tam těch cest více, tak to taky jde, ale je to větší piplačka - je
 potřeba pracovat s každou cestou zvlášť.

 Udělal jsem k tomu obrázkový návod a protože se mi nevešel do emailu,
 najdete jej tady: http://osm.kyralovi.cz/navody/ContourMerge_plugin.html

 Snad se to bude někomu hodit.

 Marián

 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/ContourMerge



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Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS

2014-08-11 Per discussione Jan Dudík
Dělám něco špatně?
stáhl jsem si tracer z [1], k němu v JOSM dva vyžadované doplňky, na
pozadí si zapnul požadovanou vrstvu wms abych viděl co klikám.
spustím tracer, kliknu na budovu  - aktualizuje se dle RUIAN
kliknu na plochu, kde je v LPIS vybarvená plocha - a nic
mačkáním T dosáhnu jediné změny, že se ani po kliku na budovu nic nestane

[1] http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/lpis/Tracer.jar

JAnD


Dne 8. srpna 2014 21:04 Pavel  Kwiecien pavel.kwiec...@seznam.cz napsal(a):
 Ahoj, trochu jsem si už s Tracerem zablbnul a už se mi to tady pod horama
 zazelenalo
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/50.5706/15.7740

 Pokud by spojování nebylo automatické, tak nemá smysl se tím zabývat. Tracer
 funguje dobře, akorát import je potřeba vždy!!  projet  v JOSM validací,
 protože tracováním/vstupníma daty vzniká obrovské množství chyb a varování.
 Na dvě kliknutí se toho dá zbavit.

 Ještě pro neznalé. Je dobré si v JOSM nastavit třeba tuto WMS vrstvu:
 http://eagri.cz/public/app/wms/plpis.fcgi?FORMAT=image/gifVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=LPIS_FB_KULSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

 aby bylo vidět, kde jsou LPIS data.

 Zdraví Pavel Kwiecien

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 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS


 Ahoj,

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 ahoj!

  Jak by sis to propojení představoval? Mne nenapadá, jak by se to dalo
  udělat.

 No úplně přesně to nevím :).

 Napřed bych viděl úvahu, zda jednotlivá políčka (=parcely a LPIS polygony)
 sdružovat nebo ne. Na tom závisí i strategie aktualizací. Zatím mi přijde
 nemožné hlídat si podle ref:, zda se něco v LPIS změnilo a na změnu
 zareagovat. Nevíme, co se může měnit. Určitě druh kultury, možná i
 geometrie?
 Je možné, že tam, kde je teď 50 malých políček bude za 3 roky jen jedno
 velké
 či naopak?

 No, zato vime ze je to po katastralnich uzemich, ne?

 Takze az to bude chtit nekdo updatovat:

 Pro kazdy polygon:
 Je polygon se stejnou geometrii v osm?
 NE: importuju
 ANO: zmenim parametry na ty z noveho lpis, je li nutne

 Pro polygony z OSM ktere jsem zatim nezpracoval:
 Jestlize polygon ma source=lpis
 Jestlize se od importu nezmenil, smazu ho
 Jinak je to na rucni rozhodnuti co je aktualnejsi.

 Hmm?
 Pavel


 No zásadní problém je: Slučovat nebo neslučovat polygony se stejným landuse
 vedle sebe?

 Třeba tady: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/49.66388/18.38023 by se
 sloučení hodilo. Ale když jsem experimentálně pár polygonů označil a nechal
 sloučit, tak z toho vylezl nějaký paskvil, protože ač jsou ty natrasované
 polygony vizuálně vedle sebe, ne vždy na sebe přesně navazují.


 Pokud je budu napojovat na sebe, tak musím nutně s nějakým bodem pohnout a
 tím pádem změním geometrii = problém při aktualizaci - jak poznám, že je
 daný polygon stejný, jen byl mírně změněn z důvodu napojení na sousední
 polygon? Přidat nějakou toleranci?


 A pokud se bude slučovat (což bych v tomto konkrétním případě rád udělal),
 co udělat s ref? Já bych jej úplně vyhodil, nechal bych jen source=lpis, aby
 bylo jasné, odkud se to vzalo. A chybějící ref by znamenalo, že polygon
 vznikl sloučením menších polygonů. Nebo tam dát nějaký speciální tag?

 Třeba lpis=merged ?


 Pokud by ref zůstalo, nutně by to vedlo k něčemu takovému:

 ref=123;2231;2231;22455;875;646


 Bylo by to k něčemu?


 Marián




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Re: [Talk-cz] Návod: jak natlačit lesy do zákoutí v LPIS (ContourMerge plugin)

2014-08-11 Per discussione Martin Švec - OSM
Dne 11.8.2014 14:37, Marián Kyral napsal(a):
 Aha, koukám, že jsem to neposlal do konference ;-)
 Navíc, jsem našel dole na stránce, takový nenápadný odkaz, kde to popsáno je. 
 Škoda, že jsem to
 nedočetl až do konce ;-)

 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/ContourMerge


Heh, tak ten odkaz jsem taky přehlídl... Já to zjistil klikáním v JOSM, omylem 
se mi na uzlu objevil
jakejsi křížek, tak jsem zkoušel k čemu slouží ;-)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS

2014-08-11 Per discussione Michal Pustějovský
Máš spuštěný tracer server?



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Datum: 11. 8. 2014 14:45:35
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Dělám něco špatně?
stáhl jsem si tracer z [1], k němu v JOSM dva vyžadované doplňky, na
pozadí si zapnul požadovanou vrstvu wms abych viděl co klikám.
spustím tracer, kliknu na budovu - aktualizuje se dle RUIAN
kliknu na plochu, kde je v LPIS vybarvená plocha - a nic
mačkáním T dosáhnu jediné změny, že se ani po kliku na budovu nic nestane

[1] http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/lpis/Tracer.jar

JAnD


Dne 8. srpna 2014 21:04 Pavel Kwiecien pavel.kwiec...@seznam.cz napsal(a):
 Ahoj, trochu jsem si už s Tracerem zablbnul a už se mi to tady pod horama
 zazelenalo
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/50.5706/15.7740

 Pokud by spojování nebylo automatické, tak nemá smysl se tím zabývat. 
Tracer
 funguje dobře, akorát import je potřeba vždy!! projet v JOSM validací,
 protože tracováním/vstupníma daty vzniká obrovské množství chyb a 
varování.
 Na dvě kliknutí se toho dá zbavit.

 Ještě pro neznalé. Je dobré si v JOSM nastavit třeba tuto WMS vrstvu:
 http://eagri.cz/public/app/wms/plpis.fcgi?FORMAT=image/gifVERSION=1.1.1;
SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=LPIS_FB_KULSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH=
{width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

 aby bylo vidět, kde jsou LPIS data.

 Zdraví Pavel Kwiecien

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 Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
 Datum: 8. 8. 2014 9:08:35

 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS


 Ahoj,

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 Od: Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz
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 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS


 ahoj!

  Jak by sis to propojení představoval? Mne nenapadá, jak by se to dalo
  udělat.

 No úplně přesně to nevím :).

 Napřed bych viděl úvahu, zda jednotlivá políčka (=parcely a LPIS 
polygony)
 sdružovat nebo ne. Na tom závisí i strategie aktualizací. Zatím mi přijde
 nemožné hlídat si podle ref:, zda se něco v LPIS změnilo a na změnu
 zareagovat. Nevíme, co se může měnit. Určitě druh kultury, možná i
 geometrie?
 Je možné, že tam, kde je teď 50 malých políček bude za 3 roky jen jedno
 velké
 či naopak?

 No, zato vime ze je to po katastralnich uzemich, ne?

 Takze az to bude chtit nekdo updatovat:

 Pro kazdy polygon:
 Je polygon se stejnou geometrii v osm?
 NE: importuju
 ANO: zmenim parametry na ty z noveho lpis, je li nutne

 Pro polygony z OSM ktere jsem zatim nezpracoval:
 Jestlize polygon ma source=lpis
 Jestlize se od importu nezmenil, smazu ho
 Jinak je to na rucni rozhodnuti co je aktualnejsi.

 Hmm?
 Pavel


 No zásadní problém je: Slučovat nebo neslučovat polygony se stejným 
landuse
 vedle sebe?

 Třeba tady: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/49.66388/18.38023 by se
 sloučení hodilo. Ale když jsem experimentálně pár polygonů označil a 
nechal
 sloučit, tak z toho vylezl nějaký paskvil, protože ač jsou ty natrasované
 polygony vizuálně vedle sebe, ne vždy na sebe přesně navazují.


 Pokud je budu napojovat na sebe, tak musím nutně s nějakým bodem pohnout a
 tím pádem změním geometrii = problém při aktualizaci - jak poznám, že je
 daný polygon stejný, jen byl mírně změněn z důvodu napojení na sousední
 polygon? Přidat nějakou toleranci?


 A pokud se bude slučovat (což bych v tomto konkrétním případě rád udělal),
 co udělat s ref? Já bych jej úplně vyhodil, nechal bych jen source=lpis, 
aby
 bylo jasné, odkud se to vzalo. A chybějící ref by znamenalo, že polygon
 vznikl sloučením menších polygonů. Nebo tam dát nějaký speciální tag?

 Třeba lpis=merged ?


 Pokud by ref zůstalo, nutně by to vedlo k něčemu takovému:

 ref=123;2231;2231;22455;875;646


 Bylo by to k něčemu?


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Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS

2014-08-11 Per discussione Martin Švec - OSM
Tím to nebude (pokud nechce klasický trasování katastrální mapy).

(1) V nastavení pluginu zaškrtnout moduly RUIAN a LPIS, odškrtnout Klasický.
(2) Mac(kat T a sledovat jak se me(ní kurzor myši, R = budovy z RUIANu, LP = 
pu*da z LPISu.

Martin

Dne 11.8.2014 15:53, Michal Puste(jovský napsal(a):
 Máš spušte(ný tracer server?


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 Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
 Datum: 11. 8. 2014 14:45:35
 Pr(edme(t: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS


 De(lám ne(co špatne(?
 stáhl jsem si tracer z [1], k ne(mu v JOSM dva vyžadované dopln(ky, na
 pozadí si zapnul požadovanou vrstvu wms abych vide(l co klikám.
 spustím tracer, kliknu na budovu - aktualizuje se dle RUIAN
 kliknu na plochu, kde je v LPIS vybarvená plocha - a nic
 mac(káním T dosáhnu jediné zme(ny, že se ani po kliku na budovu nic 
 nestane

 [1] http://www.kyralovi.cz/tmp/josm/beta/lpis/Tracer.jar

 JAnD


 Dne 8. srpna 2014 21:04 Pavel Kwiecien pavel.kwiec...@seznam.cz 
 napsal(a):
  Ahoj, trochu jsem si už s Tracerem zablbnul a už se mi to tady pod 
 horama
  zazelenalo
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/50.5706/15.7740
 
  Pokud by spojování nebylo automatické, tak nemá smysl se tím zabývat. 
 Tracer
  funguje dobr(e, akorát import je potr(eba vždy!! projet v JOSM validací,
  protože tracováním/vstupníma daty vzniká obrovské množství chyb a 
 varování.
  Na dve( kliknutí se toho dá zbavit.
 
  Ješte( pro neznalé. Je dobré si v JOSM nastavit tr(eba tuto WMS vrstvu:
 
 
 http://eagri.cz/public/app/wms/plpis.fcgi?FORMAT=image/gifVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=LPIS_FB_KULSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
 
  aby bylo vide(t, kde jsou LPIS data.
 
  Zdraví Pavel Kwiecien
 
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  Od: Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz
 
 
  Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
  Datum: 8. 8. 2014 9:08:35
 
  Pr(edme(t: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS
 
 
  Ahoj,
 
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  Od: Pavel Machek pa...@ucw.cz
  Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
  Datum: 5. 8. 2014 23:19:28
  Pr(edme(t: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - pLPIS
 
 
  ahoj!
 
   Jak by sis to propojení pr(edstavoval? Mne nenapadá, jak by se to 
 dalo
   ude(lat.
 
  No úplne( pr(esne( to nevím :).
 
  Napr(ed bych vide(l úvahu, zda jednotlivá políc(ka (=parcely a LPIS 
 polygony)
  sdružovat nebo ne. Na tom závisí i strategie aktualizací. Zatím mi 
 pr(ijde
  nemožné hlídat si podle ref:, zda se ne(co v LPIS zme(nilo a na zme(nu
  zareagovat. Nevíme, co se mu*že me(nit. Urc(ite( druh kultury, možná i
  geometrie?
  Je možné, že tam, kde je ted( 50 malých políc(ek bude za 3 roky jen 
 jedno
  velké
  c(i naopak?
 
  No, zato vime ze je to po katastralnich uzemich, ne?
 
  Takze az to bude chtit nekdo updatovat:
 
  Pro kazdy polygon:
  Je polygon se stejnou geometrii v osm?
  NE: importuju
  ANO: zmenim parametry na ty z noveho lpis, je li nutne
 
  Pro polygony z OSM ktere jsem zatim nezpracoval:
  Jestlize polygon ma source=lpis
  Jestlize se od importu nezmenil, smazu ho
  Jinak je to na rucni rozhodnuti co je aktualnejsi.
 
  Hmm?
  Pavel
 
 
  No zásadní problém je: Sluc(ovat nebo nesluc(ovat polygony se stejným 
 landuse
  vedle sebe?
 
  Tr(eba tady: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/49.66388/18.38023 by 
 se
  slouc(ení hodilo. Ale když jsem experimentálne( pár polygonu* oznac(il 
 a nechal
  slouc(it, tak z toho vylezl ne(jaký paskvil, protože ac( jsou ty 
 natrasované
  polygony vizuálne( vedle sebe, ne vždy na sebe pr(esne( navazují.
 
 
  Pokud je budu napojovat na sebe, tak musím nutne( s ne(jakým bodem 
 pohnout a
  tím pádem zme(ním geometrii = problém pr(i aktualizaci - jak poznám, 
 že je
  daný polygon stejný, jen byl mírne( zme(ne(n z du*vodu napojení na 
 sousední
  polygon? Pr(idat ne(jakou toleranci?
 
 
  A pokud se bude sluc(ovat (což bych v tomto konkrétním pr(ípade( rád 
 ude(lal),
  co ude(lat s ref? Já bych jej úplne( vyhodil, nechal bych jen 
 source=lpis, aby
  bylo jasné, odkud se to vzalo. A chybe(jící ref by znamenalo, že polygon
  vznikl slouc(ením menších polygonu*. Nebo tam dát ne(jaký speciální tag?
 
  Tr(eba lpis=merged ?
 
 
  Pokud by ref zu*stalo, nutne( by to vedlo k ne(c(emu takovému:
 
  ref=123;2231;2231;22455;875;646
 
 
  Bylo by to k ne(c(emu?
 
 
  Marián
 
 
 
 
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  (cesky, pictures)
  

[OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Julien MÊME
Bonjour,

Je souhaiterai informer d'une « aire piétonne » représentées par les panneaux 
B54 (début) et B55 (fin) en France.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panneau_de_signalisation_d%27une_aire_pi%C3%A9tonne_en_France

Étonné, je ne trouve pas d'information à ce sujet. Alors, je fais appel à vos 
propositions afin de compléter cette page :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France


Il faut savoir qu'une Aire piétonne :
 - donne la priorité complète aux piétons

 - permet la circulation à tous les véhicules, mais à l'allure du pas 
(interprétation : estimée à 5 km/h max), sauf disposition contraire soumise par 
l'autorité locale).

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Francescu GAROBY
Sur la page du wiki d'OSM que tu cites, il y a le panneau C109 (qui a le
même dessin que le panneau B54 : qui peut me dire la différence ?) et les
tags à mettre dans ce cas (highway=pedestrian, au minimum).

Francescu


Le 11 août 2014 12:47, Julien MÊME julienmeme-li...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 Je souhaiterai informer d'une « aire piétonne » représentées par les
 panneaux B54 (début) et B55 (fin) en France.

 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panneau_de_signalisation_d%27une_aire_pi%C3%A9tonne_en_France

 Étonné, je ne trouve pas d'information à ce sujet. Alors, je fais appel à
 vos propositions afin de compléter cette page :
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France

 Il faut savoir qu'une Aire piétonne :
  - donne la priorité complète aux piétons
  - permet la circulation à tous les véhicules, mais à l'allure du pas
 (interprétation : estimée à 5 km/h max), sauf disposition contraire soumise
 par l'autorité locale).

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Julien MÊME
En effet, je ne l'avais pas vu.

À rechercher de plus près, le C109 ne semble plus exister[1] et les tags ne 
correspondent pas à la définition d'une aire piétonne[2].

Au final, les tags doivent permettre :
 - aux piétons de circuler
 - à tout véhicule de circuler pour la desserte locale uniquement sauf les 
vélos qui ont le droit de passage
 - il n'y a pas de limite de vitesse à proprement dit, étant donné que le 
piéton est prioritaire l'allure du pas est l'usage (et ça semble être plus 6 
km/h que 5).

Merci également à dcrochet pour son aide sur l'IRC OFTC.net #osm-fr !

[1] 
http://www.equipementsdelaroute.equipement.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/Arrete1967_2annexe_vc20120402_cle03791b.pdf
[2] 
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/spipdgmt/pdf/Plaquette_CERTU_aire_pietonne_cle062738.pdf



Le Lundi 11 août 2014 13h02, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit :
 


Sur la page du wiki d'OSM que tu cites, il y a le panneau C109 (qui a le même 
dessin que le panneau B54 : qui peut me dire la différence ?) et les tags à 
mettre dans ce cas (highway=pedestrian, au minimum).

Francescu




Le 11 août 2014 12:47, Julien MÊME julienmeme-li...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

Bonjour,


Je souhaiterai informer d'une « aire piétonne » représentées par les panneaux 
B54 (début) et B55 (fin) en France.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panneau_de_signalisation_d%27une_aire_pi%C3%A9tonne_en_France


Étonné, je ne trouve pas d'information à ce sujet. Alors, je fais appel à vos 
propositions afin de compléter cette page :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France



Il faut savoir qu'une Aire piétonne :
 - donne la priorité complète aux piétons

 - permet la circulation à tous les véhicules, mais à l'allure du pas 
(interprétation : estimée à 5 km/h max), sauf disposition contraire soumise 
par l'autorité locale).


Merci par avance,
JulienM.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Francescu GAROBY
Je ne comprends pas ce qui ne colle pas, dans les tags proposés ? Vu ce que
tu dis, en rajoutant bicycle=yes et en mettant finalement
highway=living_street au lieu de highway=pedestrian, ça devrait être
bon, non ?

Francescu


Le 11 août 2014 13:24, Julien MÊME julienmeme-li...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 En effet, je ne l'avais pas vu.

 À rechercher de plus près, le C109 ne semble plus exister[1] et les tags
 ne correspondent pas à la définition d'une aire piétonne[2].

 Au final, les tags doivent permettre :
  - aux piétons de circuler
  - à tout véhicule de circuler pour la desserte locale uniquement sauf les
 vélos qui ont le droit de passage
  - il n'y a pas de limite de vitesse à proprement dit, étant donné que le
 piéton est prioritaire l'allure du pas est l'usage (et ça semble être plus
 6 km/h que 5).

 Merci également à dcrochet pour son aide sur l'IRC OFTC.net #osm-fr !

 [1]
 http://www.equipementsdelaroute.equipement.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/Arrete1967_2annexe_vc20120402_cle03791b.pdf
 [2]
 http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/spipdgmt/pdf/Plaquette_CERTU_aire_pietonne_cle062738.pdf


   Le Lundi 11 août 2014 13h02, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a
 écrit :


 Sur la page du wiki d'OSM que tu cites, il y a le panneau C109 (qui a le
 même dessin que le panneau B54 : qui peut me dire la différence ?) et les
 tags à mettre dans ce cas (highway=pedestrian, au minimum).

 Francescu


 Le 11 août 2014 12:47, Julien MÊME julienmeme-li...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 Je souhaiterai informer d'une « aire piétonne » représentées par les
 panneaux B54 (début) et B55 (fin) en France.

 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panneau_de_signalisation_d%27une_aire_pi%C3%A9tonne_en_France

 Étonné, je ne trouve pas d'information à ce sujet. Alors, je fais appel à
 vos propositions afin de compléter cette page :
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France

 Il faut savoir qu'une Aire piétonne :
  - donne la priorité complète aux piétons
  - permet la circulation à tous les véhicules, mais à l'allure du pas
 (interprétation : estimée à 5 km/h max), sauf disposition contraire soumise
 par l'autorité locale).

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Julien MÊME
Oui, justement ce sont les tags évoqués sur le Wiki qui ne sont pas bons ou 
complets. Je ne dis pas que je n'ai pas de solutions, mais je fais appel à 
votre expérience pour proposer les choses et en discuter afin d'améliorer la 
documentation et avoir une trace dans la liste de diffusion pour ceux qui 
chercheront par la suite.


Concernant justement ta solution, il ne s'agit pas d'une zone de rencontre[1] 
mais d'une aire piétonne qui légalement n'est pas la même chose, donc 
highway=living_street ne me semble pas correct.

Merci Francescu en tout cas !


JulienM.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:highway%3Dliving_street



Le Lundi 11 août 2014 13h29, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit :
 


Je ne comprends pas ce qui ne colle pas, dans les tags proposés ? Vu ce que tu 
dis, en rajoutant bicycle=yes et en mettant finalement 
highway=living_street au lieu de highway=pedestrian, ça devrait être bon, 
non ?

Francescu




Le 11 août 2014 13:24, Julien MÊME julienmeme-li...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

En effet, je ne l'avais pas vu.

À rechercher de plus près, le C109 ne semble plus exister[1] et les tags ne 
correspondent pas à la définition d'une aire piétonne[2].

Au final, les tags doivent permettre :
 - aux piétons de circuler
 - à tout véhicule de circuler pour la desserte locale uniquement sauf les 
vélos qui ont le droit de passage
 - il n'y a pas de limite de vitesse à proprement dit, étant donné que le 
piéton est prioritaire l'allure du pas est l'usage (et ça semble être plus 6 
km/h que 5).

Merci également à dcrochet pour son aide sur l'IRC OFTC.net #osm-fr !

[1] 
http://www.equipementsdelaroute.equipement.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/Arrete1967_2annexe_vc20120402_cle03791b.pdf
[2] 
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/spipdgmt/pdf/Plaquette_CERTU_aire_pietonne_cle062738.pdf




Le Lundi 11 août 2014 13h02, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit :
 



Sur la page du wiki d'OSM que tu cites, il y a le panneau C109 (qui a le même 
dessin que le panneau B54 : qui peut me dire la différence ?) et les tags à 
mettre dans ce cas (highway=pedestrian, au minimum).

Francescu




Le 11 août 2014 12:47, Julien MÊME julienmeme-li...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

Bonjour,


Je souhaiterai informer d'une « aire piétonne » représentées par les panneaux 
B54 (début) et B55 (fin) en France.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panneau_de_signalisation_d%27une_aire_pi%C3%A9tonne_en_France


Étonné, je ne trouve pas d'information à ce sujet. Alors, je fais appel à vos 
propositions afin de compléter cette page :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France



Il faut savoir qu'une Aire piétonne :
 - donne la priorité complète aux piétons

 - permet la circulation à tous les véhicules, mais à l'allure du pas 
(interprétation : estimée à 5 km/h max), sauf disposition contraire soumise 
par l'autorité locale).


Merci par avance,
JulienM.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione David Crochet

Bonjour

Le 11/08/2014 13:28, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :

[2]
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/spipdgmt/pdf/Plaquette_CERTU_aire_pietonne_cle062738.pdf


Et le CERTU sur la Zone de rencontre :

http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr/content/download/3189/28063/version/1/file/guide_techn_fiche3_technique_zone_rencontre_cle0262fe.pdf

et le CERTU sur les 3 zones  zone piétonne ,  zone de rencontre  et 
 zone 30 


http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr/content/download/3194/28098/version/1/file/fiche_zca2_mo_domaine_d_emploi_75dpi_cle1511dd-1.pdf

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione JB

Au fait, une toute petite question,
Dans les zones de rencontres, en plus de highway=living_street, il faut 
bien ajouter systématiquement oneway:bicycle=no ?

JB.


Le 11/08/2014 14:04, David Crochet a écrit :

Bonjour

Le 11/08/2014 13:28, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :

[2]
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/spipdgmt/pdf/Plaquette_CERTU_aire_pietonne_cle062738.pdf 



Et le CERTU sur la Zone de rencontre :

http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr/content/download/3189/28063/version/1/file/guide_techn_fiche3_technique_zone_rencontre_cle0262fe.pdf 



et le CERTU sur les 3 zones  zone piétonne ,  zone de rencontre  
et  zone 30 


http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr/content/download/3194/28098/version/1/file/fiche_zca2_mo_domaine_d_emploi_75dpi_cle1511dd-1.pdf 



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione George Kaplan
 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:32:11 +0200
 From: jb...@mailoo.org
 To: talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?
 
 Au fait, une toute petite question,
 Dans les zones de rencontres, en plus de highway=living_street, il faut 
 bien ajouter systématiquement oneway:bicycle=no ?
 JB.

Je dirais que non, pas systématiquement. Le code de la route stipule que les 
voies en sens unique pour véhicules motorisés dans une zone de rencontre sont 
par défaut en double sens pour les vélos *sauf mention contraire de l'autorité 
de police* (les termes ne sont peut-être pas les bons).
Donc une voie en zone de rencontre qui est en sens unique n'est pas 
automatiquement en double sens cyclable. J'ai au moins un exemple de ce cas à 
Paris.
George
  
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aire piétonne ?

2014-08-11 Per discussione Nicolas Frery
Le 11/08/2014 17:09, George Kaplan a écrit :
 Je dirais que non, pas systématiquement. Le code de la route stipule que les 
 voies en sens unique pour véhicules motorisés dans une zone de rencontre sont 
 par défaut en double sens pour les vélos *sauf mention contraire de 
 l'autorité de police* (les termes ne sont peut-être pas les bons).
 Donc une voie en zone de rencontre qui est en sens unique n'est pas 
 automatiquement en double sens cyclable. J'ai au moins un exemple de ce cas à 
 Paris.
 George

Il y a des communes qui font le contraire, l'exception devient la règle.
C'est bien dommage.

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[OSM-talk-fr] Article intéressant de rue89 sur les données libres

2014-08-11 Per discussione Pierre Béland
.

 
http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2014/08/11/open-data-democratie-reponse-dhenri-verdier-m-data-gouvernement-254156

À voir plus particulièreemnet à partir de la section Une démocratie des 
acteurs. On y souligne que cela ne se limite pas au contrôle de la démocratie 
représentative, que l'on voit l'émergence de nouveaux pouvoirs.

Ajoutée à l’existence d’Internet, qui permet aux citoyens de se 
synchroniser, de s’organiser, et de coopérer, cette révolution nous fait
 entrer dans un monde nouveau où la puissance de la multitude est 
devenue un paramètre politique essentiel.

Les compétences y sont plurielles. L’organisation sociale devient 
multipolaire. De nouvelles élites apparaissent, qui fondent leurs 
légitimités dans des dimensions incommensurables. Des blogueurs tiennent
 la dragée haute aux journalistes. Des collectifs développent Linux, 
Wikipédia ou OpenStreetMap. La curation sur le web social permet de 
nouvelles hiérarchisations de l’information.

La carte géolocalisée et horodatée des accidents de la route, qui a nourri le 
hackathon récemment organisé par l’OKFN et le ministère de l’Intérieur, et qui 
a permis le magnifique travail de Rue89, vaut son pesant de kilobits... Le 
fichiers des noms de rues, qui a 
nourri tant de développements. Les statistiques de pollution, les fonds 
de carte, les données météo...

C’est une dimension qui échappe fréquemment aux non-codeurs : l’open 
data ne se limite pas à révéler des données. Il vise à les rendre 
accessibles, maniables, activables. Et c’est pour cela qu’il ouvre sur 
un univers de réutilisations imprévues.



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[OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione ZIMMY
J'ai beau chercher je ne trouve pas d'information ni sur le wiki ni dans
taginfo permettant de confirmer pour un arrêt de bus la présence de :

- carte de quartier ou transport
- horaire de passage des bus
- présence du nom de l'arrêt
- numéro des lignes concernées

Mes proposition :

display:map=yes/no/bad
display:timetable=yes/no/bad
display:name=yes/no/bad
display:lines=yes/no/bad

Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Ces informations seront valorisées ici :
http://lizpoi.3liz.com/orange/index.php/lizpoi/map/?tree_id=3selected=135



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione Jo
Moi, je mets les lignes qui servent cet arrêt dans route_ref. Les bus
express où ceux qui ne s'arrêtent pas dans not_served_by.

Jo


2014-08-11 19:46 GMT+02:00 ZIMMY jeanlouis.zimmerm...@laposte.net:

 J'ai beau chercher je ne trouve pas d'information ni sur le wiki ni dans
 taginfo permettant de confirmer pour un arrêt de bus la présence de :

 - carte de quartier ou transport
 - horaire de passage des bus
 - présence du nom de l'arrêt
 - numéro des lignes concernées

 Mes proposition :

 display:map=yes/no/bad
 display:timetable=yes/no/bad
 display:name=yes/no/bad
 display:lines=yes/no/bad

 Qu'en pensez-vous ?

 Ces informations seront valorisées ici :
 http://lizpoi.3liz.com/orange/index.php/lizpoi/map/?tree_id=3selected=135



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione Plop76

ZIMMY a écrit :

J'ai beau chercher je ne trouve pas d'information ni sur le wiki ni dans
taginfo permettant de confirmer pour un arrêt de bus la présence de :

- carte de quartier ou transport


Sur Grenoble il y a network_map qui est utilisé pour indiquer s'il y a 
une carte du réseau : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.fr/keys/network_map





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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione Vincent Pottier

Le 11/08/2014 19:46, ZIMMY a écrit :

J'ai beau chercher je ne trouve pas d'information ni sur le wiki ni dans
taginfo permettant de confirmer pour un arrêt de bus la présence de :

- carte de quartier ou transport
- horaire de passage des bus
- présence du nom de l'arrêt
- numéro des lignes concernées

Mes proposition :

display:map=yes/no/bad
display:timetable=yes/no/bad
display:name=yes/no/bad
display:lines=yes/no/bad

Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Ces informations seront valorisées ici :
http://lizpoi.3liz.com/orange/index.php/lizpoi/map/?tree_id=3selected=135

Hum, il me semble que display, ça correspond plus à un écran 
d'affichage (valeurs 'analog'...) avec un contenu variable[1]
Ça me semblerait intéressant de reprendre des éléments du schéma 
information en reprenant la clef board [2].


board:network_scheme=yes/no/bad (plus suggestif que map, et peut-être des 
valeurs telles que 'main_lines/full/local')
board:timetable=yes/no/bad
board:name=yes/no/bad
board:line_numbers=yes/no/bad (lines, c'est un peu flou...)

Il existe une clef departures_board [3] qui ne semble pas documentée, 
et un tout petit usage du board=


[1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=display
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:board_type
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
Réutiliser les tags lié aux 'information' est une bonne idée, mais je ne
ferait ni un board:, ni un display: mais un information:
Car ce que vous décrivez est un détail de l'info mise à disposition,
indépendamment que ce soit un support physique simple ou électronique.
Note : que veux dire Bad ?
Le 11 août 2014 21:55, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Le 11/08/2014 19:46, ZIMMY a écrit :

 J'ai beau chercher je ne trouve pas d'information ni sur le wiki ni dans
 taginfo permettant de confirmer pour un arrêt de bus la présence de :

 - carte de quartier ou transport
 - horaire de passage des bus
 - présence du nom de l'arrêt
 - numéro des lignes concernées

 Mes proposition :

 display:map=yes/no/bad
 display:timetable=yes/no/bad
 display:name=yes/no/bad
 display:lines=yes/no/bad

 Qu'en pensez-vous ?

 Ces informations seront valorisées ici :
 http://lizpoi.3liz.com/orange/index.php/lizpoi/map/?tree_id=
 3selected=135

  Hum, il me semble que display, ça correspond plus à un écran
 d'affichage (valeurs 'analog'...) avec un contenu variable[1]
 Ça me semblerait intéressant de reprendre des éléments du schéma
 information en reprenant la clef board [2].

 board:network_scheme=yes/no/bad (plus suggestif que map, et peut-être des
 valeurs telles que 'main_lines/full/local')
 board:timetable=yes/no/bad
 board:name=yes/no/bad
 board:line_numbers=yes/no/bad (lines, c'est un peu flou...)

 Il existe une clef departures_board [3] qui ne semble pas documentée, et
 un tout petit usage du board=

 [1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=display
 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:board_type
 [3] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/departures_board
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione Vincent Pottier

Le 11/08/2014 23:14, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft a écrit :


Réutiliser les tags lié aux 'information' est une bonne idée, mais je 
ne ferait ni un board:, ni un display: mais un information:
Car ce que vous décrivez est un détail de l'info mise à disposition, 
indépendamment que ce soit un support physique simple ou électronique.


OK, mais le information=board aidera à comprendre que l'information est 
disponible sur un panneau d'affichage permanent type papier et non sur 
un écran au contenu variable. (le sujet porte handicap cognitif)



Note : que veux dire Bad ?


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione ZIMMY
Bon à priori nous nous orientons vers un information:map ...
Est-ce que info:map, info:name=*...
est bienvenu ou on garde le côté homogène de la clef avec le mot à
rallonge?

Pour ce qui est du bad c'est que la carte, le nom, le numéro des lignes,
ou les horaires peuvent être affichés ou présents mais :
- non compréhensibles, non lisibles, ...
il faudra alors un champs description en complément



FrViPofm wrote
 Le 11/08/2014 23:14, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft a écrit :

 Réutiliser les tags lié aux 'information' est une bonne idée, mais je 
 ne ferait ni un board:, ni un display: mais un information:
 Car ce que vous décrivez est un détail de l'info mise à disposition, 
 indépendamment que ce soit un support physique simple ou électronique.

 OK, mais le information=board aidera à comprendre que l'information est 
 disponible sur un panneau d'affichage permanent type papier et non sur 
 un écran au contenu variable. (le sujet porte handicap cognitif)
 
 Note : que veux dire Bad ?

 Pas bien !
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione ZIMMY
Le travaill réalisé sur Grenoble est très intéressant mais dans le cas où un
arrêt contient déjà beaucoup de données il est nécessaire d'avoir une clé
avec entrée logique afin de regrouper les champs associés un peu à la
manière du recyclage 
recycling:glass=*

Pour exemple voici un arrêt qui est déjà bien chargé
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1300837073

Une fois le retour validé je ferai un basculement du display vers
information ou info:map


Plop76 wrote
 ZIMMY a écrit :
 J'ai beau chercher je ne trouve pas d'information ni sur le wiki ni dans
 taginfo permettant de confirmer pour un arrêt de bus la présence de :

 - carte de quartier ou transport
 
 Sur Grenoble il y a network_map qui est utilisé pour indiquer s'il y a 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] arrêt de bus : information, sur handicap cognitif

2014-08-11 Per discussione Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
Je resterai au plus explicite avec un 'information' en complet, un preset
josm t'aidera à ne pas tout réécrire en permanence.

Évidement c'est à coupler avec un information=* pour caractériser que c'est
un support physique.

J'ai toujours du mal à comprendre le 'Bad', ça se fait ailleurs ?
Le 12 août 2014 07:16, ZIMMY jeanlouis.zimmerm...@laposte.net a écrit :

 Bon à priori nous nous orientons vers un information:map ...
 Est-ce que info:map, info:name=*...
 est bienvenu ou on garde le côté homogène de la clef avec le mot à
 rallonge?

 Pour ce qui est du bad c'est que la carte, le nom, le numéro des lignes,
 ou les horaires peuvent être affichés ou présents mais :
 - non compréhensibles, non lisibles, ...
 il faudra alors un champs description en complément



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  Le 11/08/2014 23:14, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft a écrit :
 
  Réutiliser les tags lié aux 'information' est une bonne idée, mais je
  ne ferait ni un board:, ni un display: mais un information:
  Car ce que vous décrivez est un détail de l'info mise à disposition,
  indépendamment que ce soit un support physique simple ou électronique.
 
  OK, mais le information=board aidera à comprendre que l'information est
  disponible sur un panneau d'affichage permanent type papier et non sur
  un écran au contenu variable. (le sujet porte handicap cognitif)
 
  Note : que veux dire Bad ?
 
  Pas bien !
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Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-11 Per discussione Pavlo Dudka
2014-08-11 1:31 GMT+03:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk:

 Taking for example Nottingham:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/24913081
 What is the source of this data?

Common knowledge.


 How can someone who's local to Nottingham actually verify that the name
 that you've added is correct?

Visit Ukrainian Catholic Church in Nottingham
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/62230804, ask anyone to confirm that
Ноттінгем is correct spelling.
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Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road

2014-08-11 Per discussione Dave F.

On 05/08/2014 15:38, Andy Robinson wrote:

Whether its legal is not our concern surely


Not really true:

So many of the tags used are based around legal regulations:
access=*
max_speed=*
bicycle=no
etc... etc...

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Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-11 Per discussione Derick Rethans
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014, SomeoneElse wrote:

 On 04/08/2014 16:15, Pavlo Dudka wrote:

  Hi! I would like to add ukrainian names for cities of UK, but found 
  that SomeoneElse_Revert removed some of name:uk-tags in changeset 
  20757217 with a comment reverting undiscussed Ukrainian 
  translations including ones for which there's nothing on the 
  ground. This is the list of cities I plan to modify: 
  http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4rF
 
 I notice that you've now decided to upload this changeset adding 
 Ukrainian names for places:
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24588556
 
 Taking for example Nottingham:
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/24913081
 
 What is the source of this data?
 
 Under what licence was it made available?
 
 How can someone who's local to Nottingham actually verify that the 
 name that you've added is correct?
 
 For the record it looks like a simple soundalike translation of 
 Nottingham from one alphabet to another, rather than a unique name at 
 all.

It looks like it perhaps, just like Londen (used in Dutch) is a 
soundalike translation from its English counterpart. And you'd 
certainly not find Londen on any sign in London to verify this 
*correct* Dutch name for it. But it's certainly correct that London has 
name:nl = Londen.

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Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road

2014-08-11 Per discussione Colin Smale
 

In this case it is not our access to, or use of, the road which may be
illegal (the landowner is giving us permission after all, once we hand
over the two quid) but the very existence of the road, because it was
constructed without the requisite planning permission. 

On 2014-08-11 11:10, Dave F. wrote: 

 On 05/08/2014 15:38, Andy Robinson wrote:
 
 Whether its legal is not our concern surely
 
 Not really true:
 
 So many of the tags used are based around legal regulations:
 access=*
 max_speed=*
 bicycle=no
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Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road (going a bit OT)

2014-08-11 Per discussione Dave F.

On 05/08/2014 15:00, Curon Davies wrote:
On 5 August 2014 14:25, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com 
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:


 One reason I haven't added it is because it's illegal (AFAIK. The 
owners of the land  local councillor failed to reply to my tweets)  
definitely has no planning permission.


The development isn't illegal, there is no criminal offence (AFAIK), 
on the other hand it is unlawful.


a) Semantics
b) Isn't there a statute law which says 'you can't build or open a road 
without authorisation'?




 They have produced no proof it's been constructed to DfT/HA standards.

AFAIK roads only need to be constructed to this standard if the road 
is to be adopted, there are numerous developments where the road isn't 
built to standard, yet they are still mapped on OSM.


AFAIK adoption is only the transfer of responsibility for maintenance 
i.e. from the building contractor to the local municipal authority. The 
roads, depending on there usage, have to be constructed to various 
standards. I can't imagine the M6 toll was allowed to get away with 
rolling out just 150mm thick layer of compacted hardcore.




 Insurance (all parties) is unclear  possibly suspect. Another 
reason is I don't map everybody's private drive way.


Although questionable, the road is opperated by KELSTON TOLL ROAD 
LIMITED, and therefore would require public liability insurance.


Getting insurance is dead easy. These companies love being given money 
for old rope, (think of extended warranties for your big screen TV). 
Receiving a payout is another matter. Will _your_ policy compensate if 
you hit another vehicle on an unlawful road?


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Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road (going a bit OT)

2014-08-11 Per discussione david
I would hope so, for anyone who has ever been to a village fete and 
parked in the farmers field.




Getting insurance is dead easy. These companies love being given money
for old rope, (think of extended warranties for your big screen TV).
Receiving a payout is another matter. Will _your_ policy compensate if
you hit another vehicle on an unlawful road?

Dave F.



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Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road (going a bit OT)

2014-08-11 Per discussione David Woolley

On 11/08/14 10:33, Dave F. wrote:

On 05/08/2014 15:00, Curon Davies wrote:

On 5 August 2014 14:25, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

 One reason I haven't added it is because it's illegal (AFAIK. The
owners of the land  local councillor failed to reply to my tweets) 
definitely has no planning permission.

The development isn't illegal, there is no criminal offence (AFAIK),
on the other hand it is unlawful.


a) Semantics
b) Isn't there a statute law which says 'you can't build or open a road
without authorisation'?


It seems to me that this is being driven by one particular application 
of the map, motor vehicle routing.


The road exists.  It is possible to get permission to use it if you are 
under 3.5T.  Therefore I would say that something like this is valid: 
highway=unclassified; motor_vehicles=yes/permissive; hgv=no; fee=yes is 
necessary.


If that results in routing applications using it in a way that voids 
insurance, maybe add something like mib_approved=no.


Buildings certainly should still be mapped, even if they don't have 
planning permission (four years for construction and 10 for use are more 
permanent than most shop tenancies).


Settlements should be mapped, even if some other country disputes their 
legality.


More generally, though, it is dangerous for something like OSM to claim 
authority on the legal status of any object.  Locally, you put yourself 
at risk of being sued when you turn out to be wrong.  Internationally, 
it increases the pressure to ban it from countries involved with border 
disputes.



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Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-11 Per discussione Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 06:55 +0200, Marc Gemis wrote:
 Can I apply this reasoning to English names for Belgian towns as
 well ?
 Where can I verify that the English name for Antwerpen is
 Antwerp ? What is the source of this data? Under which license was
 that made available ?
 How can someone who's local to Antwerp actually verify that the name
 that you've added is correct?
 
I must admit I agree with you, we know because we know. Although I guess
thats expected as Belgium and the UK are neighbours with a history of
travelling between the countries. 

There are too many translated names, many European cities have English
names I was not aware of. I tripped over reading a news article today
which mentioned Wuerzberg, it took a few seconds to work out it was
referring to Würzburg. If I was writing that article it wouldn't have
occurred to me to look up an English spelling. Wuerzberg, may be closer
to to the pronunciation, not sure, I can cope with umlauts.

Modified spelling do not help however, most people are far more likely
to encounter the word Würzburg on a motorway sign or a railway departure
board than are likely to want to say it, its far easier to gloss over
the umlaut than have a strange spelling that doesn't appear on the
signposts.

Although the Belgians did confuse me once, driving through Belgium
towards Lille, the signs suddenly changed to Rijsel for no apparent
reason.

Phil (trigpoint)







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[Talk-GB] newbie alert - railways in North Kent

2014-08-11 Per discussione Colin Smale
 

Particularly if you have an interest in railway tagging (both stations
and track) in north Kent you might want to keep a watch out for new
mapper James Philips who joined us in July and has been unilaterally
reworking some tagging. Unfortunately he has left several unconnected
tracks, as well as tagging the track as a platform with name=Platform 1
and tagging the station buildings with railway=station (which may not be
wrong, depends how you look at it) while leaving all the other tags on
the original node, which gets tagged as a platform. The station XXX
also gets named XXX Railway Station. 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Phillips 

--colin 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey National Grid maps of Edinburgh

2014-08-11 Per discussione Donald Noble
Thanks Rob,

The alignment matches well with both bing and what is already on OSM
(although this may largely be derived).

Also pleasing to note that the addresses I have surveyed match those
on the OS map - don't suppose they change all that often.

Cheers, Donald

On 10 August 2014 00:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all, particularly those folk mapping up in Scotland,

 The National Library of Scotland has added the earliest editions of Ordnance
 Survey National Grid maps covering the Edinburgh environs to their online
 map offerings.

 http://maps.nls.uk/additions.html#28

 What's so special about these maps is that they show details right down to
 individual buildings plus their addresses! I think this is a first for the
 UK (Warwickshire CC have a map layer of these National Grid maps but theirs
 cover a period which is still in copyright so cannot be used for OSM).

 If out mapping and you want to double check an address, this could be a
 great asset to have at your disposal.

 To add this to JOSM you need to create a new imagery layer with the
 following URL:

 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata3/os/edinburgh_1250_out/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

 Regards,
 Rob

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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey National Grid maps of Edinburgh

2014-08-11 Per discussione SK53
I met Richard Rodger who is leading the MESH project at Edinburgh
University. Addresses in central Edinburgh have changed so little in 200
years that they are able to use OSM to map where attorneys were located in
the middle of the 19th Century. The historical addresses were acquired from
Business Directories. And MESH is the reason why these particular maps have
been done. There is a link to the project there.

I dont think there is that much detailed information available yet, but it
looks to be shaping up to be both a fascinating project and a classic
example of how OSM data can be used for purposes very different from what
one might expect.

Jerry


On 11 August 2014 22:52, Donald Noble drno...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Rob,

 The alignment matches well with both bing and what is already on OSM
 (although this may largely be derived).

 Also pleasing to note that the addresses I have surveyed match those
 on the OS map - don't suppose they change all that often.

 Cheers, Donald

 On 10 August 2014 00:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all, particularly those folk mapping up in Scotland,
 
  The National Library of Scotland has added the earliest editions of
 Ordnance
  Survey National Grid maps covering the Edinburgh environs to their online
  map offerings.
 
  http://maps.nls.uk/additions.html#28
 
  What's so special about these maps is that they show details right down
 to
  individual buildings plus their addresses! I think this is a first for
 the
  UK (Warwickshire CC have a map layer of these National Grid maps but
 theirs
  cover a period which is still in copyright so cannot be used for OSM).
 
  If out mapping and you want to double check an address, this could be a
  great asset to have at your disposal.
 
  To add this to JOSM you need to create a new imagery layer with the
  following URL:
 
  http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata3/os/edinburgh_1250_out/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
 
  Regards,
  Rob
 
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