Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[nogaro_]

Il wiki alla voce "lanes" parla di "marked traffic lines", non parla di 
larghezza. Per sapere quante macchine affiancate ci possono stare si usa 
"width". Se in Italia anche su strade larghe le singole corsie non vengono 
marcate, per il wiki e' lanes=1.
CiaoAlberto
 Original message From: Martin Koppenhoefer 
 Date: 07/09/2018  23:06  (GMT+01:00) To: openstreetmap 
list - italiano  Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Numero di 
corsie sbagliato
lanes=1 va bene per strade dove c’è una corsia di marcia insieme, per tutti i 
sensi di marcia, in altre parole, 2 macchine non passano.
https://dennisschatz.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/single-lane-road.jpg

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] S'opposer à la directive européenne "Copyright in the Digital Single Market"

[Jean-Christophe Becquet]

Le 07/09/2018 11:31, Benoit Fournier - OpenStreetMap France a écrit :
> Symboliquement, OpenStreetMap Allemagne présente des tuiles
> d'information sur fond noir au milieu de la carte.
> https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html

Bonjour,

Excellente idée de campagne de sensibilisation ces tuiles sur fond noir
au milieu de la carte ; particulièrement percutant je trouve, au moment
où ne compte plus les sites perturbés par le changement de la politique
tarifaire de Google Maps : « Impossible de charger Google Maps
correctement sur cette page ».

Quelle météo en France aujourd'hui ? ️ Mitigée avec tendance au
dépassement de quota de l'api @googlemaps
https://twitter.com/1map1fail/status/1034789619710287872


Cet été, plusieurs Wikipédias européennes avaient baissé le rideau pour
marquer leur opposition à cette directive.
https://www.numerama.com/politique/393134-directive-sur-le-droit-dauteur-wikipedia-rouvre-ses-portes-apres-son-blackout-dans-plusieurs-pays.html


L'April reste fortement mobilisée contre les dangers de cette directive
sur le droit d'auteur, voici quelques travaux récents :

Agir avant le 12 septembre pour sauver Internet du filtrage généralisé
des contenus
https://www.april.org/agir-avant-le-12-septembre-pour-sauver-internet-du-filtrage-generalise-des-contenus

Directive droit d'auteur : le gouvernement français doit soutenir
l'exclusion pleine et entière des forges logicielles
https://www.april.org/directive-droit-d-auteur-le-gouvernement-francais-doit-soutenir-l-exclusion-pleine-et-entiere-des-fo

Proposition de directive droit d'auteur : un vrai débat de fond en
septembre pour sortir des caricatures
https://www.april.org/proposition-de-directive-droit-d-auteur-un-vrai-debat-de-fond-en-septembre-pour-sortir-des-caricatur

Bon week-end

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Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 7:12 PM Jmapb  wrote:

> On 9/6/2018 6:44 PM, Leif Rasmussen wrote:
>
> > First, for keeping the tagging style as consistent as possible, each
> > post box will be given the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687".  This
> > way, even if the operator=* tags are changed later on, all post boxes
> > will still be consistent and easy to querry.
>
> Earlier I wrote in favor of keeping operator=USPS. Just to add, I don't
> see any problem with adding this operator:wikidata tag, but there's no
> reason to expect anyone else will be adding it to newly mapped mailboxes
> going forward, right? I mean, "United States Postal Service" may be a
> chore to type, but nothing compared to typing "operator:wikidata=Q668687".


 Granted, there could be a bot that scans for and automatically updates
this.  But there could just as easily be a bot that correctly expands
things as well,
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Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

[Jmapb]

On 9/6/2018 6:44 PM, Leif Rasmussen wrote:

First, for keeping the tagging style as consistent as possible, each 
post box will be given the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687".  This 
way, even if the operator=* tags are changed later on, all post boxes 
will still be consistent and easy to querry.


Earlier I wrote in favor of keeping operator=USPS. Just to add, I don't 
see any problem with adding this operator:wikidata tag, but there's no 
reason to expect anyone else will be adding it to newly mapped mailboxes 
going forward, right? I mean, "United States Postal Service" may be a 
chore to type, but nothing compared to typing "operator:wikidata=Q668687".


J

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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 7. Sep 2018, at 09:59, Cascafico Giovanni  wrote:
> 
> Ho seguito questo criterio per le incoerenze name/brand:
> - disponibile img mapillary: nessun problema, aggiorno name ed eventualmente 
> brand (questo mai capitato), rimuovo fixme
> - no img mapillary, no survey: se name più vecchio di 2 anni fa > aggiorno 
> name da brand, rimuovo fixme
> - altri casi lascio fixme


quindi stai scrivendo in name la stessa cosa che sta già in brand? 


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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 7. Sep 2018, at 09:59, Cascafico Giovanni  wrote:
> 
> inoltre pensavo ci fossero meno immagini Mapillary... da quello che ho visto 
> ci sono molte possibilità di migliorare le cose anche con l'armchair mapping.


solo se le foto sono più nuove che 4 mesi, perché altrimenti dovremmo dare 
precedenza al MISE ;-)

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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Sergio Manzi]

Vabbé, mi sono dimenticato il link...

[1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsia_di_marcia


On 2018-09-07 23:21, Sergio Manzi wrote:
>
> Per il poco che potrà valere, sono totalmente d'accordo con l'interpretazione 
> che Martin da di /lanes/
>
> In realtà anche Wikipedia [1] Italiana sembra essere d'accordo:
>
> /La corsia di marcia è una parte della carreggiata o della strada (e in 
> particolare delle superstrade e delle autostrade) *dimensionata* in modo tale 
> da consentire lo scorrimento di una fila di veicoli in viaggio./
>
> Attenzione, dice "dimensionata", non "disegnata", e parla di "fila" (/quindi 
> traffico in una certa unica direzione/): c'è spazio per due file? 2 lanes!
>
> Attenzione (/forse.../) anche al "/false friend/" linguistico in Inglese: 
> /designated/ non è "disegnato", ma "riservato", "predisposto", 
> "d*e*s*i*gnato".
>
> On 2018-09-07 23:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> On 7. Sep 2018, at 21:44, Davide Sandona' > > wrote:
>>
>>> Io sono uno dei mappatori che ha utilizzato il tag lanes=1, che secondo 
>>> alcuni sembra essere il male
>>
>>
>> lanes=1 va bene per strade dove c’è una corsia di marcia insieme, per tutti 
>> i sensi di marcia, in altre parole, 2 macchine non passano.
>>
>> https://dennisschatz.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/single-lane-road.jpg
>>
>>
>> Ciao, Martin 
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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Sergio Manzi]

Per il poco che potrà valere, sono totalmente d'accordo con l'interpretazione 
che Martin da di /lanes/

In realtà anche Wikipedia [1] Italiana sembra essere d'accordo:

/La corsia di marcia è una parte della carreggiata o della strada (e in 
particolare delle superstrade e delle autostrade) *dimensionata* in modo tale 
da consentire lo scorrimento di una fila di veicoli in viaggio./

Attenzione, dice "dimensionata", non "disegnata", e parla di "fila" (/quindi 
traffico in una certa unica direzione/): c'è spazio per due file? 2 lanes!

Attenzione (/forse.../) anche al "/false friend/" linguistico in Inglese: 
/designated/ non è "disegnato", ma "riservato", "predisposto", "d*e*s*i*gnato".

On 2018-09-07 23:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 7. Sep 2018, at 21:44, Davide Sandona'  > wrote:
>
>> Io sono uno dei mappatori che ha utilizzato il tag lanes=1, che secondo 
>> alcuni sembra essere il male
>
>
> lanes=1 va bene per strade dove c’è una corsia di marcia insieme, per tutti i 
> sensi di marcia, in altre parole, 2 macchine non passano.
>
> https://dennisschatz.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/single-lane-road.jpg
>
>
> Ciao, Martin 
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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 7. Sep 2018, at 21:44, Davide Sandona'  wrote:
> 
> Ritengo dunque di NON dovermi convertire!
> Riguardo all'opinione di considerare lanes=1 senza oneway=yes|no un errore di 
> mappatura: fintantoché la comunità OSM non si esprime con certezza sulla 
> questione (e quindi aggiornare anche la wiki) per me resta una semplice 
> opinione, che si scosta dalla mia.


non si tratta di opinioni, sono definizioni che i tag hanno. Per lanes è 
scritto nel wiki come si contano, con tanti esempi, hai letto la pagina?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes

per esempio su highway=‘non cycleway’ i lanes per bici non contano.

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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 7. Sep 2018, at 21:44, Davide Sandona'  wrote:
> 
> Io sono uno dei mappatori che ha utilizzato il tag lanes=1, che secondo 
> alcuni sembra essere il male


lanes=1 va bene per strade dove c’è una corsia di marcia insieme, per tutti i 
sensi di marcia, in altre parole, 2 macchine non passano.

https://dennisschatz.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/single-lane-road.jpg


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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Sergio Manzi]

+1 ! :-)


On 2018-09-07 19:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
> 2018-09-07 11:53 GMT+02:00 Sergio Manzi mailto:s...@smz.it>>:
>
> Elaborando un po' di più:
>
>   * Dai documenti pubblici possiamo desumere chi *gestisce* l'esercizio e 
> direi che non c'è dubbio che "gestore == operator".
>   * Non possiamo sapere se è anche proprietario (/landlord/) della 
> struttura, oppure la sta affittando (e quindi è /tenant/)
>   * L'esistenza di un /tenant /implica necessariamente l'esistenza di un 
> /landlord/, diverso dal /tenant/,  e può trattarsi di figura privata alla 
> quale sia applica (a mio avviso) la GDPR
>   * Ricordiamoci che esiste anche il concetto di /"affitto di ramo di 
> impresa"/, dove comunque "appare" il locatario e non necessariamente il 
> locatore.
>
>
> noi di questo mappiamo soltanto "operator" (la società (anche unipersonale) 
> di chi gestice), gli altri dati potrebbero anche essere protetti dalla legge 
> della privacy (nel caso che siano persone fisiche). Operator è quello che si 
> legge sullo scontrino / timbro.
>
> Ciao,
> Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 7. Sep 2018, at 21:44, Davide Sandona'  wrote:
> 
> Qui nasce il dilemma fondamentale: nel codice stradale italiano (e non solo) 
> una corsia (dicesi lanes in inglese) rappresenta un solo senso di marcia.


non capisco cosa c’entra il codice della strada in questo contesto. “lanes” è 
un tag, per il quale abbiamo definito noi cosa significa, a prescindere della 
legge. Per lanes contano tutte le corsie del highway. Una strada “normale” con 
1 corsia per direzione sarebbe lanes=2.

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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Visto che stavo trafficando peraltro con maproulette, mi son permesso di
fare due challege sul tema per Lombardia e Veneto. Se pensate possano
essere utili, faccio anche la altre e rendo visibile a tutti.

l giorno 7 settembre 2018 14:14, Volker Schmidt  ha
scritto:

> Questo problema è aumentato.
> Ci sono utenti che sistematicamente cambiano lanes=2 a lanes=1.
> La diffusione del problema non è uniforme. E' concentrato nel nord:
>

Lombardia 828 [1]
Veneto 826 [2]

[1] http://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3188
[2] http://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3187
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Re: [Talk-us] Possible roundabouts?

[Rihards]

On 2018.09.07. 23:12, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Rihards  wrote:
>> Note that roundabouts don't have implicit yielding rules - actually, by
>> default the entering traffic has the right of way, which is why you'll
>> see yield signs in about 99% of them.
> 
> Maybe in your state, not in mine!  On a circle in New York,
> circulating traffic has right of way over entering traffic.
> The YIELD sign is there to remind drivers of the fact,
> and yes, most roundabouts have YIELD signs.
> https://dmv.ny.gov/about-dmv/chapter-5-intersections-and-turns

Very interesting, thank you for the info.
Is there a clear signage for all roundabouts?   

> The state DOT does warn that other jurisdictions have different
> rules, granting the right-of-way to entering vehicles over circulating
> ones.
> https://www.dot.ny.gov/main/roundabouts/background
> That's usually because there's a general rule that traffic on
> the right at at an uncontrolled intersection has priority, and
> the jurisdiction in question hasn't introduced a special
> case for roundabouts at all. (Some actually also ignore
> freeway entrances, so that traffic entering has the right
> of way over traffic already on the freeway! In such a case,
> the laws of physics trump the traffic laws: the right  of
> way belongs to the greater kinetic energy.)
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Re: [Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 422

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PT_Assistant a Double split map mode
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/PT_Assistant/Double_split_map_mode
je skvela vec, dik!

Tom Ka wrote on 09/07/2018 08:50 AM:
> Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 422 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:
>
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/10636
>
> * PhotoDB2 finišuje.
> * PT_Assistant pro JOSM.
> * Navigace pro zrakově postižené.
> * OSM server pro jižní Afriku.
> * Mastodon pro OSM.
> * Grant pro HOT.
> * Vykreslování a osm2pgsql.
> * Amazon a OSM.
> * Rostoucí Open Address.
> * QA nástroje v editoru iD.
> * Maposmatic - jednoduché mapy měst.
> * Interaktivní mapa zvuků.
>
>
> Pěkné počtení ...
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Re: [Talk-it] Violazione licenza - Rally Alpi Orientali

[Marco_T]

Maurizio Napolitano-3 wrote
> Scrivi ugualmente a chi lo ha fatto visto che, al di là di
> OpenStreetMap, il problema più in generale è il continuo violare i
> termini di riuso di qualsiasi prodotto.

Ciao,
aggancio un pensiero alle parole di Maurizio: "/chi lo ha fatto/".
Credo che l'80% delle violazioni non sia dovuto al cliente finale ma bensì
all'ignoranza dell'editore, tipografo, pubblicitario che prepara il prodotto
cartografico; improvvisati o professionisti che siano. 
Molte volte si nota subito la superficialità ed il lavoro fatto male,
figuriamoci la cura per la ricerca delle fonti!
Purtroppo violare le licenze è all'ordine del giorno in particolar modo
quando si sfruttano lavori fatti da volontari o associazioni senza scopo di
lucro che dedicano gratuitamente parte del proprio tempo per qualcosa a cui
tengono e hanno poche risorse economiche per intraprendere azioni legali
(collaboro con LiberLiber e anche lì stesso problema).
Dispiace sapere che spesso non si tratta di "ignoranza" ma vergognosa "mala
fede".
In conclusione, se possibile, meglio richiamare all'ordine proprio "chi ha
fatto" il lavoro piuttosto che chi lo ha pagato a cui interessa solo
spendere poco per lo stesso risultato.

Saluti.

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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Davide Sandona']

Io sono uno dei mappatori che ha utilizzato il tag lanes=1, che secondo
alcuni sembra essere il male.
Dopo essere stato contattato da Volker, ho deciso di rispondere qui in
lista: citerò alcuni passaggi dello scambio di opinioni avvenuto tramite
messaggio privato.

Andando a guardare la wiki inglese sul tag lane [1] si legge: "Use the
lanes=* key to tag how many marked traffic lanes there are on a highway."
che tradotto significa: "usa la chiave lanes=* per indicare quante corsie
sono disegnate sulla strada."

Qui nasce il dilemma fondamentale: nel codice stradale italiano (e non
solo) una corsia (dicesi lanes in inglese) rappresenta un solo senso di
marcia. Da notare che il problema è anche stato discusso nella pagina wiki
lanes [2], senza trovare soluzione.

Cito ora un passaggio di Volker:

> Sicuramente lanes=1 da solo non è una buona soluzione perché un data
> consumer (per esempio un algoritmo di routing) non può capire se questa è
> una strada a doppio senso di marcia o no. Tanti mappatori considerano
> lanes=1 senza oneway=yes|no un errore di mappatura.
> La definizione di lane non c'è nel wiki, ma c'è chiaramente in Wikipedia
> [3]: "In the context of traffic control, a lane is part of a roadway
> (carriageway) that is designated for use by a single line of vehicles, to
> control and guide drivers and reduce traffic conflicts." Anche Wikipedia in
> italiano dà la stessa definizione.
> Quindi penso che dovresti convertirti :-)
>

lanes=1 da solo potrebbe non essere una buona soluzione, tuttavia la
combinazione lanes=1, width=*, oneway e anche il tipo di highway dovrebbe
far togliere qualunque dubbio a tutti i data consumer (e algoritmi di
routing). Infatti, per stabilire se una strada ha solo un senso di marcia,
esiste l'inequivocabile tag oneway [4]. Se una way non possiede il tag
oneway=yes, allora qualunque data consumer (e qualunque algoritmo di
routing) riterrà tale strada a doppio senso di marcia (ovviamente, con
tutte le considerazioni che seguono riguardo ad un eventuale tag acces=*).

Ritengo dunque di NON dovermi convertire!
Qualora tu abbia PROVE (e non opinioni) sul fatto che gli algoritmi di
routing (o altri data consumer) siano messi in crisi da questo famigerato
tag lanes=1, ti invito a condividerle, cosicché anch'io possa essere
illuminato.
Riguardo all'opinione di considerare lanes=1 senza oneway=yes|no un errore
di mappatura: fintantoché la comunità OSM non si esprime con certezza sulla
questione (e quindi aggiornare anche la wiki) per me resta una semplice
opinione, che si scosta dalla mia.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes
[2]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:lanes#No_centerline_-_one_or_two_lanes.3F
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane
[4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway

Davide.


Il giorno ven 7 set 2018 alle ore 14:15 Volker Schmidt 
ha scritto:

> Questo problema è aumentato.
> Ci sono utenti che sistematicamente cambiano lanes=2 a lanes=1.
> A uno (che non era sulla lista di Simone) ho appena scritto - vediamo come
> risponde.
>
> Ma mi sembra in ogni caso che sia una cosa da affrontare in modo più
> massiccio.
> Ad oggi ci sono 2735 strade sospette (escludendo unclassified,
> residential, service).
> Ho fatto delle query Overpas Turnbo Wizard del tipo:
> “(highway=motorway or highway=trunk or highway=secondary or
> highway=primary or highway=tertiary) and lanes=1 and oneway!=yes and
> oneway!=-1 and junction!=roundabout in Veneto”
>
> La diffusione del problema non è uniforme. E' concentrato nel nord:
> Lombardia 828
> Veneto 826
> Piemonte 211
> Trentino-Alto Adige 110
> Sardegna 109
> Toscana 97
> Liguria 96
> Friuli Venezia Giulia 86
> Sicilia 83
> Puglia 63
> Campania 53
> Lazio 45
> Calabria 32
> Basilicata 28
> Abruzzo 20
> Marche 17
> Molise 12
> Valle d'Aosta 12
> Umbria 7
> Totale 2735
> Sicuramente ci sono anche tante strade inferiori che hanno problemi, ma
> per queste il problema di trovarle è un un po' più complicato. In queste
> categorie ci saranno più strade genuinamente a corsia singola ma a traffico
> a senso doppio.
> Poi sarebbe anche da vedere se si tratta di pochi utenti "colpevoli" o un
> fenomeno più diffuso.
>
> Come procediamo?
>
> Volker
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-03-17 19:37 GMT+01:00 Simone F. :
>
>> Ciao,
>> ho corretto un po' di casi e cercato [0] quanti ce ne sono in Italia: me
>> ne risultano 260, ieri 274.
>>
>> Si possono vedere aprendo questo GPX in JOSM:
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41550819/OSM/lanes.gpx
>>
> (non è più accessibile)
>
>>
>> Il giorno 15 marzo 2016 11:03, Volker Schmidt  ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>> Prima vorrei capire quanti mappatori hanno prodotto questi errori e
>>> forse preferiscono di corregere prima dove si ricordano.
>>>
>>
>> carlobenini, che ha già risposto nel thread, ne ha creati 45.
>> Altri mapper:
>> 26 | peppe10
>> 17 | Davio
>> 16 | mcheckimport
>> 10 | dvdzero
>> ...
>>
>> Attenzione però che, come hai detto tu, non sono tutti errori.
>> Guardando le foto 

Re: [Talk-us] Possible roundabouts?

[Rihards]

On 2018.09.07. 21:52, Albert Pundt wrote:
> Roundabouts are somewhat common nowadays in the US and follow the same
> rules as European roundabouts: entering traffic yields to circle
> traffic. Many intersections, such as the rotaries in Massachusetts,
> follow these rules despite not being signed as "roundabouts."
> 
> We do, however, still have many oldschool traffic circles with odd
> yielding rules, or just nothing signed at all. These are typically
> tagged with junction=circular.

Note that roundabouts don't have implicit yielding rules - actually, by
default the entering traffic has the right of way, which is why you'll
see yield signs in about 99% of them.

A roundabout would be a place with one-way traffic (if there's a
roundabout sign, that's even better - easier for us). Two-way traffic
would not be a roundabout.
I haven't seen/tagged junction=circular, it might be appropriate in such
cases.

If it's a small one with a (streetcar) passable central section, that
would be mini_roundabout - but only if there's nothing obstructing
straight-through traffic.

> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:37 PM Marian Poara  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We have a short but important question: should we tag with
> “junction=roundabout”  the circular intersections in US where there
> is a physical center you can’t drive over and there is more than one
> way entering, based on satellite imagery? (some examples here:
> 40.5234202, -111.8762446, 35.8497728, -86.4547473, 42.6811136,
> -73.6987507, 40.22109, -76.874981). And if we have OSC or Mapillary
> street level images and it is confirmed that they don’t have any
> roundabout sign? In many residential areas (but not only), there
> isn’t any one way sign inside the small “roundabouts” and it seems
> that both directions are used. 
> 
> __ __
> 
> Thanks and regards!
> 
> Marian Poara
> 
> __ __
> 
> Marian Poară
> 
> Map Analyst
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Possible roundabouts?

[Mike N]

On 9/7/2018 2:27 AM, Marian Poara wrote:
In many residential areas (but not only), there isn’t any one way sign 
inside the small “roundabouts” and it seems that both directions are used.


  In places without much law enforcement presence and no mandatory 
driver training, original residents may shortcut the wrong way because 
they resent the newly reconfigured roadway.  Perhaps when there is 
little traffic and they at least check.


  (around here, drivers have even gone the wrong way on new proper 
signed and curbed roundabouts until an extensive barrel network was set 
up for months to train).


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Re: [Talk-cz] Zápis z brněnské hospody (SOTM, založení organizace)

[Jethro]

Zdar,
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 9:21 AM Tom Ka  wrote:
>
> Ahoj,
>
> diky Mirkovi za zapis! Date někdo aspon par vet z Prahy?
>
> Dne 6. září 2018 16:27 Miroslav Suchy  napsal(a):
> > * nové jméno pro PhotoDB2 - probírali jsme možné kombinace OSM, mapy, 
> > Photo, DB. Nakonec jsme si řekli, že snad bude
> > lepší název úplně jiný a nesouvisející. Načež padly návrhy:
> >   - Fody
> >   - Phody
> >   - FieldPhotos
> >   Můžete hlasovat co se vám líbí: https://doodle.com/poll/5kb5dnue35wbs5y8
> >   Tom se pak vašemi preferencemi může a nebo nemusí řídit :)
>
> Rad bych to uzavrel do konce vikendu a na zacatku pristiho tydne
> provedl nasazeni naostro na osmap.cz.
>
> > * SOTM 2018 - nejvyšší čas něco plánovat. Tak jsme vybrali datum 17. 
> > listopadu (dle Cimrmana, významné datum ať se to
> > dobře pamatuje). S tím, že v sobotu by byli přednášky a v neděli případně 
> > nějaký mapovací workshop. V každém případě by
> > to bylo v Brně nebo blízkém okolí. Pokud plánujete přijet, ta budu rád když 
> > mi dáte nezávazně vědět v:
> >https://doodle.com/poll/iri3mpczufydww75
> > Podle počtu zájemců bych pak vybral místo, abychom se tam vlezli.
> > Kdo byste chtěli přednášet (bloky budou asi po 30 minutách), tak mi prosím 
> > napište, budu chystat program.
>
> Pripominam, ze info je (a hlavne bude) na https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm/2018

V podnadpisu je špatně datum konce a mail uvedený tam jako kontaktní
nefunguje ;-)
MSF
Jethro

>
> > Jedna z věcí, kterou bychom na SOTM 2018 vyřešit je založení české pobočky 
> > OSM. Takže si prosím přečtěte návrh stanov co
> > posílal Tom K. a připadně připomínky se snažte vyřešit před konferencí. 
> > První hlasování musí být fyzicky. Později to
> > půjde i elektronicky, ale ustanovující schůze musí být in-persona. Takže 
> > pokud chcete být členy ode dne 0, tak si prosím
> > naplánujte cestu.
> > Pokud někdo chcete kandidovat do rady nové organizace, tak prosím pište 
> > VOPovi. On to bude sbírat. Kandidáti by se měli
> > na konferenci dostavit a představit se ostatním o následně si z kandidátů 
> > zvolíme radu.
>
> Opet informace jsou na https://openstreetmap.cz/organizace
> stanovy jsou na wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stanovy_OSMCZ
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Possible roundabouts?

[Albert Pundt]

Roundabouts are somewhat common nowadays in the US and follow the same
rules as European roundabouts: entering traffic yields to circle traffic.
Many intersections, such as the rotaries in Massachusetts, follow these
rules despite not being signed as "roundabouts."

We do, however, still have many oldschool traffic circles with odd yielding
rules, or just nothing signed at all. These are typically tagged with
junction=circular.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:37 PM Marian Poara 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We have a short but important question: should we tag with
> “junction=roundabout”  the circular intersections in US where there is a
> physical center you can’t drive over and there is more than one way
> entering, based on satellite imagery? (some examples here: 40.5234202,
> -111.8762446, 35.8497728, -86.4547473, 42.6811136, -73.6987507, 40.22109,
> -76.874981). And if we have OSC or Mapillary street level images and it is
> confirmed that they don’t have any roundabout sign? In many residential
> areas (but not only), there isn’t any one way sign inside the small
> “roundabouts” and it seems that both directions are used.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards!
>
> Marian Poara
>
>
>
> Marian Poară
>
> Map Analyst
>
> www.telenav.com
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[Talk-us] Possible roundabouts?

[Marian Poara]

Hi all,
We have a short but important question: should we tag with 
"junction=roundabout"  the circular intersections in US where there is a 
physical center you can't drive over and there is more than one way entering, 
based on satellite imagery? (some examples here: 40.5234202, -111.8762446, 
35.8497728, -86.4547473, 42.6811136, -73.6987507, 40.22109, -76.874981). And if 
we have OSC or Mapillary street level images and it is confirmed that they 
don't have any roundabout sign? In many residential areas (but not only), there 
isn't any one way sign inside the small "roundabouts" and it seems that both 
directions are used.

Thanks and regards!
Marian Poara

Marian Poară
Map Analyst
www.telenav.com
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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Nel contesto delle lanes vorrei anche racontare di una discussione avuta
qualche mese fa. In realtà "lanes" richiede che le corsie siano segnate,
cosa da questi parti spesso non è così (sia a Roma che in campagna intorno,
anche su strade grandi alle volte, come 2+2 corsie, Via Cassia bis per
esempio). Saranno talvolta eccezioni (lavori recenti), ma comunque sono
mesi e anni che sta così. A Roma è pratticamente normale, negli ultimi anni
è diminuito, ma ancora ci sono tanti.

Il suggerimento nelle discussioni era non taggare "lanes" e mettere width
(cosa non trovo sbagliato), ma nella realtà, quando si capisce, si potrebbe
anche taggare lanes per tutto, siano marcati o meno, su certi tratti.

Comunque, volevo segnalare che c'è questa differenza tra wiki e OSM italia
(centrale).

Ciao,
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[Talk-cz] Zápis z pražské hospody (mapování, POI, turistika, spolek, mapping párty)

[Marián Kyral]

Ahoj,
pokusím se sepsat témata, která se probírala na pražském pivu.

* Hned na začátku jsme se s Mikolášem shodli, že poslední dobou máme na
mapování méně času, než bychom si přáli.
Milan a Gorn toho stíhají více.

* Gorn se ptal, jak značit plácky u cesty, které sice nejsou oficiální
parkoviště, ale místní tam evidentně parkují.

* Gorn by rád zorganizoval pražský maphatlon zaměřený na mapování POI ve
vedlejších uličkách. Probíralo se,
zda je lepší všední den, nebo víkend a kolik lidí by se teoreticky mohlo
zúčastnit.

* Probírali jsme i spolek, důvody pro jeho založení, co se založením
změní a jak by se to dalo dále využít.

* Tlumočil jsem Tomovu prosbu o otestování tehdy ještě PhotoDB2. Gorn na
oplátku ukázal nový výstup svého
nástroje na kontrolu kvality turistických tras a poprosil nás o (zatím)
neveřejný test.

Snad jsem nic podstatného nezapomněl.

Marián

On 9/6/18 4:27 PM, Miroslav Suchy wrote:
> Zápis z včerejšího piva U Kormidla:
>
> * vop má zapsaný pozdní příchod :)
>
> * nové jméno pro PhotoDB2 - probírali jsme možné kombinace OSM, mapy, Photo, 
> DB. Nakonec jsme si řekli, že snad bude
> lepší název úplně jiný a nesouvisející. Načež padly návrhy:
>   - Fody
>   - Phody
>   - FieldPhotos
>   Můžete hlasovat co se vám líbí: https://doodle.com/poll/5kb5dnue35wbs5y8
>   Tom se pak vašemi preferencemi může a nebo nemusí řídit :)
>
> * SOTM 2018 - nejvyšší čas něco plánovat. Tak jsme vybrali datum 17. 
> listopadu (dle Cimrmana, významné datum ať se to
> dobře pamatuje). S tím, že v sobotu by byli přednášky a v neděli případně 
> nějaký mapovací workshop. V každém případě by
> to bylo v Brně nebo blízkém okolí. Pokud plánujete přijet, ta budu rád když 
> mi dáte nezávazně vědět v:
>https://doodle.com/poll/iri3mpczufydww75
> Podle počtu zájemců bych pak vybral místo, abychom se tam vlezli.
> Kdo byste chtěli přednášet (bloky budou asi po 30 minutách), tak mi prosím 
> napište, budu chystat program.
>
> Jedna z věcí, kterou bychom na SOTM 2018 vyřešit je založení české pobočky 
> OSM. Takže si prosím přečtěte návrh stanov co
> posílal Tom K. a připadně připomínky se snažte vyřešit před konferencí. První 
> hlasování musí být fyzicky. Později to
> půjde i elektronicky, ale ustanovující schůze musí být in-persona. Takže 
> pokud chcete být členy ode dne 0, tak si prosím
> naplánujte cestu.
> Pokud někdo chcete kandidovat do rady nové organizace, tak prosím pište 
> VOPovi. On to bude sbírat. Kandidáti by se měli
> na konferenci dostavit a představit se ostatním o následně si z kandidátů 
> zvolíme radu.
>
> Mirek
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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-09-07 11:53 GMT+02:00 Sergio Manzi :

> Elaborando un po' di più:
>
>- Dai documenti pubblici possiamo desumere chi *gestisce* l'esercizio
>e direi che non c'è dubbio che "gestore == operator".
>- Non possiamo sapere se è anche proprietario (*landlord*) della
>struttura, oppure la sta affittando (e quindi è *tenant*)
>- L'esistenza di un *tenant *implica necessariamente l'esistenza di un
>*landlord*, diverso dal *tenant*,  e può trattarsi di figura privata
>alla quale sia applica (a mio avviso) la GDPR
>- Ricordiamoci che esiste anche il concetto di *"affitto di ramo di
>impresa"*, dove comunque "appare" il locatario e non necessariamente
>il locatore.
>
>
noi di questo mappiamo soltanto "operator" (la società (anche unipersonale)
di chi gestice), gli altri dati potrebbero anche essere protetti dalla
legge della privacy (nel caso che siano persone fisiche). Operator è quello
che si legge sullo scontrino / timbro.

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-cz] spárování fotek rozcestníků

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, diky za report.

Relikt z prejmenovani PhotoDB2 -> Fody, opravil jsem a necham pustit analyzu.

Bye

Dne 7. září 2018 15:55 Zdeněk Pražák  napsal(a):
> nějak se nepárují fotky rozcestníků na
> https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/OsmHiCheck/gp/?all
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] S'opposer à la directive européenne "Copyright in the Digital Single Market"

[Philippe Verdy]

Il y a aussi les pétitions en ligne Avaaz (qui a gagné déjà plusieurs coups
de boutoirs judiciaires contre Monsanto/Bayer, dont un justement visait à
passer outre le RGPD et l'accord de Safe Harbor Europe-USA, en obtenant une
décision à effet immédiat d'un obscur juge américain dans un état ne
reconnaissant pas encore ces droits; mais cassé en cour suprême car la
décision outrepassait les droits des autres américains et le droit
international; pourtant Monsanto airait dû être soumis en tant que
filiale à Bayer, société allemande soumise obligatoirement au RGPD).

Ce genre de batailles doit se faire à l'échelle internationale car ceux
contre qui on le fait sont des grandes multinationales qui cherchent toutes
les failles pour s'abstenir d'appliquer le droit commun, utilisant le
réseau de leurs filiales par le biais de législations locales permissives
et en déguisant leurs obligations: la seule façon de se défaire de leurs
obligations c'est pour ces multinationales de légalement se séparer de ces
filiales... mais elles tombent alors dans le giron des maintenant énormes
multinationales chinoises qui se foutent pas mal du droit international
(elles ne sont contraintes par la législation chinoise QU'EN Chine
uniquement, ailleurs elles font absolument tout ce qu'elles veulent).

Le droit européen est pas nécessairement idéal pour tout, mais on moins il
a tronc commun qui permet de maintenir le droit national en place et le
renforcer. En terme de protection des données personnelles, et protection
de la liberté d'expression on n'a pas fini: ces droits de base sont
attaqués via des droits dérivés dont s'accaparent les organisations alors
qu'elles n'ont même pas eu de réelle concession publique de ces droits,
n'ont aucun contrat de mission publique en échange, peu d'obligations,
opèrent le plus souvent dans l'obscurité totale du "secret des affaires",
et en plus ne payent même pas de licences à la hauteur des profits de plus
en plus gros qu'elles veulent tirer seules de concessions publiques
détournées et abusées.

Le droit de copyright commence à être mieux défendu, mais il est attaqué
maintenant par le droit des brevets, mais aussi de façon totalement
injustifiée par des armées de robots et d'algorithmes qui ont une vue
largement biaisée du monde et créent de nouvelles frontières artificielles,
ensuite défendues par de coûteuses procédures judiciaires contre ceux qui
ont pourtant un droit légitime de continuer à utiliser ce qu'ils ont
toujours fait.

Et tout démontre aujourd'hui que le droit des brevets, sensé favoriser
l'innovation avec une concession temporaire et limitée dans l'espace, a
maintenant l'effet largement inverse: il est un frein qui paralyse de plus
en plus et pérennise des situations établies de force sans aucun droit
légitime à la base; cela conduit à une économie détournée, parasitaire, et
empêche toute adapdations aux changements et à des situtations ensuite
catastrophiques qui coûtent cher à tout le monde. Ces droits dérivés sont
utilisés comme des armes qui font peur aux plus petits qui ne sont pas
capables de supporter les mêmes frais de justice internationale et de se
battre dans toutes les cours de justice du monde.

OK un droit dérivé de "propriété intellectuelle" peut exister mais il doit
nécessairement être strictement limité à la fois dans le temps et dans
l'espace, et offrir en échange de l'exclusivité d'exploitation un service
public réel répondant à des obligations, dont un droit d'accès pour tous à
prix raisonnable et concerté. Sinon il instaure un asservissement de la
société entière, et c'est une nouvelle forme d'esclavage ou de colonisation
(sans revendication de territoire, mais sur les droits public de n'importe
dans n'importe quel territoire).

Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 11:34, Benoit Fournier - OpenStreetMap France <
bfourn...@openstreetmap.fr> a écrit :

> Bonjour à tous,
>
> La proposition de "Directive sur le droit d’auteur dans le marché unique
> numérique" doit être voté le 12 septembre 2018.
> Des voix s'élèvent pour marquer leur opposition :
> de nombreuses personnalités (Tim Berners-Lee
> , Vint Cerf
> , Jimmy Wales
> , ...) et organisations (Les
> membres d'OpenStreetMap en Allemagne, CC - Creative Commons, EDRi -
> European Digital Rights, EFF - Electronic Frontier Foundation, FSFE - Free
> Software Foundation Europe, OKI - Open Knowledge International, ...)
>
> Renseignez-vous et agissez :
> https://fr.saveyourinternet.eu/
>
>
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_de_directive_sur_le_droit_d%27auteur_dans_le_march%C3%A9_unique_num%C3%A9rique
>
> La méthode d'action conseillée est de téléphoner à vos membres du
> parlementaire européen.
> https://fr.saveyourinternet.eu/#tabs
>
> Symboliquement, OpenStreetMap Allemagne présente des tuiles d'information
> sur fond noir au milieu de la carte.
> https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html
>
> 

Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Ed Loach]

Chris wrote:

> The parish council website sits on the fence and calls it a 'thriving
> community'.

At the top of their home page that's true. Lower down they get off the fence 
and write "Please do take a look at our PhotoGallery of our beautiful village"

http://wickhammarket.onesuffolk.net

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSMAnd et les boîtes aux lettres de la Poste

[Gwenaël Jouvin]

Alors ça c’est une subtilité !

Merci Julien d’avoir cherché et trouvé le problème.
Je vais en avertir les contributeurs contactés, qu’ils puissent se remettre à 
ajouter ces chères boî-boîtes.


Le 06/09/2018 à 10:18, Julien Lepiller a écrit :
> Le 2018-09-05 18:34, Gwenaël Jouvin a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Il y a quelques jours, j’ai remarqué plusieurs contributions avec des
>> ajouts de plusieurs .
>> Étant donné que les boîtes aux lettres privées ne sont pas forcément
>> hyper-prioritaires, j’étais surpris d’en voir autant apparaître.
>>
>> Après un coup de StreetView (je m’en fouette encore ;-) ), mes
>> craintes étaient fondées : c’était bien des boîtes (de dépôt) de la
>> Poste qui avaient la mauvaise valeur de clef.
>>
>> J’ai contacté quelques contributeurs qui ont tous en commun d’avoir
>> OSMAnd en clef  sur le changeset :
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61799892
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61725926
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58855160
>>
>> Je me demande donc s’il n’y a pas un biais, voire une erreur dans le
>> module de contribution de cette application ; je ne peux pas en juger
>> car je ne l’utilise pas pour ça.
>> Si quelqu’un en sait plus sur le sujet…
> 
> En regardant sur l'appli, si on sélectionne le type de POI « boite aux 
> lettres », on obtient un « amenity=letter_box », et si on sélectionne le type 
> de POI « boîte aux lettres », on obtient un « amenity=post_box ». C'est 
> ridicule que la différence se fasse sur un accent, donc je suis allé sur le 
> weblate (https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/osmand/phrases/fr/) pour 
> corriger. Voilà ce qui sera affiché à la prochaine mise à jour :
> 
> boite aux lettres -> post_box
> boite aux lettres privée -> letter_box
> 
> osmand est sensible à la différence entre boite et boîte, donc j'ai aussi 
> ajouté cette variante (si j'ai bien compris, on peut ajouter des variantes en 
> les séparant par des points-virgules).
> 
> N'hésitez pas à corriger si j'ai fait une bêtise !
> 
>>
>> Merci !
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Colin Smale]

On 2018-09-07 18:27, Philip Barnes wrote:

> On 7 September 2018 15:58:58 CEST, Martin Wynne  wrote: 
> But that's my point. We can just look it up, if we start from the 
> assumption that the Local Government Act distinction between a town and a 
> village (technically, between a town and a parish, but that's just 
> terminology) is definitive. So observation doesn't need to come into it.
> 
> If that's the case, what was the reason for this topic?
> 
> Martin.
 Well the thread was started to try to clarify why one, I assume 
not local mapper, keeps changing Downham Market to a village. 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Philip Barnes]

On 7 September 2018 15:58:58 CEST, Martin Wynne  wrote:
>
>> But that's my point. We can just look it up, if we start from the 
>> assumption that the Local Government Act distinction between a town
>and 
>> a village (technically, between a town and a parish, but that's just 
>> terminology) is definitive. So observation doesn't need to come into
>it.
>
>If that's the case, what was the reason for this topic?
>
>Martin.
>
Well the thread was started to try to clarify why one, I assume 
not local mapper, keeps changing Downham Market to a village. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Colin Smale]

On 2018-09-07 15:51, Mark Goodge wrote:

> But that's my point. We can just look it up, if we start from the assumption 
> that the Local Government Act distinction between a town and a village 
> (technically, between a town and a parish, but that's just terminology) is 
> definitive. So observation doesn't need to come into it.
> If you can just look it up, you don't need to do anything else.

I have just read through the LGA 1972 and there is no definition of a
"town". 

The LGA doesn't seem to define what a town is, other than as a
consequence of a Parish Council deciding to call itself a Town Council.
The administrative area is still a Parish, and nothing changes about
that when a council resolves to change its official style to Town
Council. BTW, Salisbury City Council is also just a parish council, with
the same powers as Wickham Market Parish Council (except it gets to have
a Mayor). 

Using the parish style to define what is a town cannot be a complete
definition, only an indication, as there are plenty of towns in
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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il giorno 6 settembre 2018 15:46, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
>   map roulette ti fa vedere situazioni casuali che quasi mai conosci di
> persona, quindi il risultato può essere solo peggio di prima.
>

http://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3171
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[OSM-talk] R stats package importing from OSM

[john whelan]

I'm feeling lazy so does anyone have an example of an xml import from OSM?
I'm after building data in particular so a building and its nested tags.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Martin Wynne]

But that's my point. We can just look it up, if we start from the 
assumption that the Local Government Act distinction between a town and 
a village (technically, between a town and a parish, but that's just 
terminology) is definitive. So observation doesn't need to come into it.


If that's the case, what was the reason for this topic?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 12:51, Chris Hill wrote:
One place to look is OS Open Names. That has place names listed with a 
category of populated place that seems to be hamlet, village, town or 
suburban area. That lists Wickham Market as a town.


That seems to be going solely by size, and is used to indicate how the 
name is displayed on OS maps. I'm not sure it's necessarily valuable in 
other contexts.



Wikipedia, on the other hand, says it is a large village.

The parish council website sits on the fence and calls it a 'thriving 
community'.


It has a dropdown link for "Our Village" at the top. But, interestingly, 
that gives some of the history which indicates that it was once 
considered a town - it had a charter market, and two charter fairs, but 
these have since lapsed. So that may be the root cause of the 
disagreement in this case - there may be people who think that the past 
is more important than the current situation (see also, historic counties!).


Legally, it's definitely not a town as it has a parish council, not a 
town council.



I'd plump for townage or maybe villown.


Or, maybe, just "place" :-)

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[Talk-cz] spárování fotek rozcestníků

[Zdeněk Pražák]

nějak se nepárují fotky rozcestníků na https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/OsmHiCheck/
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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamento mappe su OsmAnd+ e MAPS:ME

[Max1234Ita]

Stefano Droghetti wrote
> Con OsmAnd (anche la versione free) però puoi anche aggiornare quando 
> vuoi. Basta che scarichi le mappe che vengono rilasciate ogni giorno da 
> alcuni siti e le carichi sul telefono, oppure te le puoi fabbricare tu 
> quando vuoi, aggiornate in tempo reale, e caricarle sul computer.
> 
> Ho fatto una piccola guida che ne parla, se vuoi: 
> http://stefanodroghetti.it/mappe-gratis-per-navigatori/


Bella, la guida :-)

Solo un paio di appunti ad integrazione del paragrafo 2.2

 - OsmandMapCreator ("Il programma messo a disposizione da OsmAnd per
fabbricarsi in casa le mappe") gira sotto Java: basta installare la versione
giusta del framework e lo si può utilizzare:
 - da Linux si lancia l'apposito script di shell
 - da Windows si usa l'apposito file .bat
In ogni caso, nei parametri dello script puoi specificare quanta RAM
allocare per la sessione che stai lanciando

- sarebbe bene specificare che i quantitativi di RAM indicati sono *in più*
oltre alla memoria già utilizzata dal Sistema Operativo per tutte le altre
applicazioni. Con 4 GB (allocati a OsmAndMapCreator) non ci fai molto:
l'equivalente di una regione, forse, ma potresti avere problemi con quelle
parti in cui la densità degli oggetti mappati è elevata. Solo x cronaca:
l'ultima volta che ho compilato una mappa di tutta Italia in un solo file ho
allocato 12 GB al programma di compilazione: per creare la mappa (Strade +
dettagli + Indirizzi + POI) con un Core I7 ci sono volute 18 ore di lavoro,
ed il file risultante era poco più di 2 Gigabyte...

- "/in OsmAnd nella ricerca indirizzi bisogna andare ogni volta a
selezionare la regione in cui si pensa ci sia l’indirizzo ricercato/": 
non è più così, fortunatamente (ed è per questo che ho smesso di crearmi le
super-mappe di tutta Italia): nelle versioni più recenti (a partire dala
3.1, se non sbaglio) la ricerca viene finalmente eseguita su tutte le parti
che hai installato sul device. 
Questo causa altri problemi: ad esempio, prova a visualizzare la città di
Roma ricercando semplicemente la parola "Roma", e vedi quanti riscontri ti
compaiono... ma speriamo che risolvano presto anche quello! :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Rory and I have done quite a bit of tidying up.


These are the remaining tags that need attention:

earthworks=rath< 1248 instances - Clare and 
Kerry only
fortification_type=hill_fort   < confused use - multiple different fort 
types
historic=fort  < confused use - multiple different fort 
types
fortification=ring_ditch  < minor
fortification_type=hillfort  < minor
historic=hillfort  < minor
historic=ring fort  < minor
military=fort  < minor
note=Ancient fort  < minor
note=Fort  < minor
note=Ring Fort?  < minor
ruins=fort  < minor
site_type=earthwork  < minor
site_type=enclosure  < minor


There are some of these that are nodes instead of ways. I've asked a historian 
if they have a ringfort expert we could talk to.


Rory, I'll start with the Dingle peninsula and work east.


Colm


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] https://paysages.ign.fr/

[Jean-Francois Gaffard]

je ne comprends pas très bien comment ça marche. Je vois que c'est 
limité pour l'instant à la région Occitanie. Sauf erreur


Jeff


Le 27/08/2018 à 16:24, David Delon a écrit :

Bonjour,

On vient de me faire découvrir ce site, https://paysages.ign.fr/, une 
plateforme collaborative animée par l'IGN et qui permet le suivi de 
l'usage et de la couverture des sols, elle fait partie du programme 
européen Landsense.


Une recherche dans les archives de talk-fr sur les 3 dernières années 
-m'indique que ce projet n'a jamais été évoqué ici.


Quelques questions : Vous connaissez ? Il y a t-il des liens avec OSM 
: est-il prévu de renvoyer des données vers OSM ou d'en récupérer ? Il 
y a t-il eu un travail sur des données attributaires communes ?


Selon les CGU,https://paysages.ign.fr/cgu, les données du projet (OCS 
GE) sont sous Licence ouverte version 2.0, donc a priori re-utilisable 
dans OSM.


David.





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Re: [Talk-it] Violazione licenza - Rally Alpi Orientali

[Maurizio Napolitano]

> Ooops! guardato meglio adesso, è google maps ritoccata, quindi non ci
> riguarda :)

Scrivi ugualmente a chi lo ha fatto visto che, al di là di
OpenStreetMap, il problema più in generale è il continuo violare i
termini di riuso di qualsiasi prodotto.
E con l'occasione suggerisci loro di usare mappe e dati di
OpenStreetMap facendo presente che possono ottenere un prodotto di
qualità superiore ... sempre rispettando la licenza :)

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Re: [Talk-it] Numero di corsie sbagliato

[Volker Schmidt]

Questo problema è aumentato.
Ci sono utenti che sistematicamente cambiano lanes=2 a lanes=1.
A uno (che non era sulla lista di Simone) ho appena scritto - vediamo come
risponde.

Ma mi sembra in ogni caso che sia una cosa da affrontare in modo più
massiccio.
Ad oggi ci sono 2735 strade sospette (escludendo unclassified, residential,
service).
Ho fatto delle query Overpas Turnbo Wizard del tipo:
“(highway=motorway or highway=trunk or highway=secondary or highway=primary
or highway=tertiary) and lanes=1 and oneway!=yes and oneway!=-1 and
junction!=roundabout in Veneto”

La diffusione del problema non è uniforme. E' concentrato nel nord:
Lombardia 828
Veneto 826
Piemonte 211
Trentino-Alto Adige 110
Sardegna 109
Toscana 97
Liguria 96
Friuli Venezia Giulia 86
Sicilia 83
Puglia 63
Campania 53
Lazio 45
Calabria 32
Basilicata 28
Abruzzo 20
Marche 17
Molise 12
Valle d'Aosta 12
Umbria 7
Totale 2735
Sicuramente ci sono anche tante strade inferiori che hanno problemi, ma per
queste il problema di trovarle è un un po' più complicato. In queste
categorie ci saranno più strade genuinamente a corsia singola ma a traffico
a senso doppio.
Poi sarebbe anche da vedere se si tratta di pochi utenti "colpevoli" o un
fenomeno più diffuso.

Come procediamo?

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2016-03-17 19:37 GMT+01:00 Simone F. :

> Ciao,
> ho corretto un po' di casi e cercato [0] quanti ce ne sono in Italia: me
> ne risultano 260, ieri 274.
>
> Si possono vedere aprendo questo GPX in JOSM:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41550819/OSM/lanes.gpx
>
(non è più accessibile)

>
> Il giorno 15 marzo 2016 11:03, Volker Schmidt  ha
> scritto:
>
>> Prima vorrei capire quanti mappatori hanno prodotto questi errori e forse
>> preferiscono di corregere prima dove si ricordano.
>>
>
> carlobenini, che ha già risposto nel thread, ne ha creati 45.
> Altri mapper:
> 26 | peppe10
> 17 | Davio
> 16 | mcheckimport
> 10 | dvdzero
> ...
>
> Attenzione però che, come hai detto tu, non sono tutti errori.
> Guardando le foto aeree, alcune strade sembrano davvero avere una sola
> corsia, pur essendo primary (es. in montagna).
>
>
> Ciao,
> Simone F.
>
> [0]
> SELECT id, ST_StartPoint(ways.linestring) AS point
> FROM ways
> WHERE
> tags -> 'highway' IN ('primary', 'secondary', 'secondary')
> AND tags -> 'lanes' = '1'
> AND tags -> 'oneway' NOT IN ('yes', '-1', 'alternate')
> AND NOT tags ? 'junction';
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Re: [Talk-cz] Zápis z brněnské hospody (SOTM, založení organizace)

[Tom Ka]

Tak jsem to stihl jeste ted, snad neni nekde krpa:

https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/
https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody-dev/

Co jeste najdu, poopravuju postupne.

Bye


Dne 7. září 2018 13:06 Tom Ka  napsal(a):
> Dne 7. září 2018 9:21 Tom Ka  napsal(a):
>> Dne 6. září 2018 16:27 Miroslav Suchy  napsal(a):
>>> * nové jméno pro PhotoDB2 - probírali jsme možné kombinace OSM, mapy, 
>>> Photo, DB. Nakonec jsme si řekli, že snad bude
>>> lepší název úplně jiný a nesouvisející. Načež padly návrhy:
>>>   - Fody
>>>   - Phody
>>>   - FieldPhotos
>>>   Můžete hlasovat co se vám líbí: https://doodle.com/poll/5kb5dnue35wbs5y8
>>>   Tom se pak vašemi preferencemi může a nebo nemusí řídit :)
>>
>> Rad bych to uzavrel do konce vikendu a na zacatku pristiho tydne
>> provedl nasazeni naostro na osmap.cz.
>
> Tak nazev jsem autoritativne rozhodl po tom, co jsem nasel tohle:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fody
>
> Takze projekt ma i maskota :-)
>
> Po vikendu provedu upravy jmen, ted budu mimo pocitac.
>
> Diky vsem.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Chris Hill]

One place to look is OS Open Names. That has place names listed with a 
category of populated place that seems to be hamlet, village, town or 
suburban area. That lists Wickham Market as a town.


Wikipedia, on the other hand, says it is a large village.

The parish council website sits on the fence and calls it a 'thriving 
community'.


I'd plump for townage or maybe villown.

Cheers, Chris


On 06/09/2018 22:00, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote:
Is anyone familiar with this area?  Someone's mentioned on IRC that 
Wickham Market has been changed from town to village and back a couple 
of times:


http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=114148812

Obviously it's been "town" more than village (and the person who added 
it as such was/is pretty local) - but is that still correct?  I'll 
comment on the latest change about this thread so that everyone's 
aware of it.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 12:37, Martin Wynne wrote:


But it's not a useful indicator, because it's least reliable precisely 
in the cases where you are most uncertain.


Surely the more uncertain you are, the more useful an indicator becomes?


Only if the indicator is reliable though, And it's least likely to be 
reliable when other observational factors are inconclusive.


The presence or absence of a row of street lamps is not a wishy-washy 
legal opinion, or an argument in the local pub. It is an undisputed 
fact, to be called in evidence when someone demands an explanation for 
your mapping.


But that only applies to that particular street. What do you do when 
somewhere has some streets that are fully lit and some that aren't? Are 
you planning to go round every street in a settlement, check the street 
lights, total them all up and then use that to decide whether it's a 
town or a village? Especially when you can just look it up!


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 12:28, Stuart Reynolds wrote:


I would support a simple, objective definition, based on population size.


Population of what, though? The contiguous urban area? The local 
government entity? And by what measurement? Most recent census? 
Electoral roll? Current estimate?


Unless you can agree on all of those, it isn't completely objective. But 
if you do have one specific measurement, it's no longer simple.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Martin Wynne]

But it's not a useful indicator, because it's least reliable precisely 
in the cases where you are most uncertain.


Surely the more uncertain you are, the more useful an indicator becomes?

The presence or absence of a row of street lamps is not a wishy-washy 
legal opinion, or an argument in the local pub. It is an undisputed 
fact, to be called in evidence when someone demands an explanation for 
your mapping.


If you don't know whether somewhere is a town or a village, it's a fair 
bet that a lot of others don't agree either.


Martin.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Colin Smale]

W.r.t. the use of street lighting as a differentiating factor between a
Town and a Village: Do the Road Traffic Acts at any point refer to this
distinction? I bet they don't It's all about "built-up area" and
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Re: [Talk-it] Aggiornamento mappe su OsmAnd+ e MAPS:ME

[Alessandro Vitali]

Grazie!

Il giorno gio 23 ago 2018 alle ore 09:24 Stefano Droghetti <
stefano.droghe...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
>
> Il 08/08/2018 22:13, Alessandro Vitali ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > Con OsmAnd ad inizio mese mi appare nella sezione "gestione mappe" la
> > richiesta di aggiornamento di quelle installate, oggi ho appunto
> > aggiornato quella del trentino ritrovando le modifiche che ho fatto il
> > mese scorso.
> >
> >
>
> Con OsmAnd (anche la versione free) però puoi anche aggiornare quando
> vuoi. Basta che scarichi le mappe che vengono rilasciate ogni giorno da
> alcuni siti e le carichi sul telefono, oppure te le puoi fabbricare tu
> quando vuoi, aggiornate in tempo reale, e caricarle sul computer.
>
> Ho fatto una piccola guida che ne parla, se vuoi:
> http://stefanodroghetti.it/mappe-gratis-per-navigatori/
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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Warin]

On 07/09/18 21:04, Mark Goodge wrote:



On 07/09/2018 11:35, Martin Wynne wrote:
You were suggesting identifying them by observation, using street 
lights as a distinguishing factor.


Yes, in the event that you are uncertain. I said it was a useful 
indicator.


But it's not a useful indicator, because it's least reliable precisely 
in the cases where you are most uncertain.


You guys need to get back to the essential basic question.

How many pubs? :))


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

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On 07/09/2018 11:25, Martin Wynne wrote:
>> If it were true, then almost every village would need 30mph repeater 
>> signs throughout, as they wouldn't have enough lighting to count as a 
>> built up area. In practice, though, they don't.
> 
> Yes they do. At least all the villages I know have 30mph repeaters. 
> Here's a couple at random:
> 
>   https://goo.gl/maps/zMfNHUFTSW92
> 
>   https://goo.gl/maps/N96GbyndYRB2

None of the villages round here do. Nor do any of those I've lived in 
previously.

(Quoting crap on mobile clients!)
Broadway is still a village in my book, and had to sort speed limit signs when 
speeding tickets were found invalid. In some ways the facebook singular 'city' 
designation makes some sence. 
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Re: [Talk-cz] Zápis z brněnské hospody (SOTM, založení organizace)

[Tom Ka]

Dne 7. září 2018 9:21 Tom Ka  napsal(a):
> Dne 6. září 2018 16:27 Miroslav Suchy  napsal(a):
>> * nové jméno pro PhotoDB2 - probírali jsme možné kombinace OSM, mapy, Photo, 
>> DB. Nakonec jsme si řekli, že snad bude
>> lepší název úplně jiný a nesouvisející. Načež padly návrhy:
>>   - Fody
>>   - Phody
>>   - FieldPhotos
>>   Můžete hlasovat co se vám líbí: https://doodle.com/poll/5kb5dnue35wbs5y8
>>   Tom se pak vašemi preferencemi může a nebo nemusí řídit :)
>
> Rad bych to uzavrel do konce vikendu a na zacatku pristiho tydne
> provedl nasazeni naostro na osmap.cz.

Tak nazev jsem autoritativne rozhodl po tom, co jsem nasel tohle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fody

Takze projekt ma i maskota :-)

Po vikendu provedu upravy jmen, ted budu mimo pocitac.

Diky vsem.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 11:35, Martin Wynne wrote:
You were suggesting identifying them by observation, using street 
lights as a distinguishing factor.


Yes, in the event that you are uncertain. I said it was a useful indicator.


But it's not a useful indicator, because it's least reliable precisely 
in the cases where you are most uncertain.


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Re: [Talk-ht] [Hot-francophone] OSM pour agroforesterie

[Fred Moine]

Bonjour Martin,

Merci pour l'information pour Geopoppy, oui j'avais vu l’excellent blog que
vous avez fait. Du coup je vais tester, surtout qu'il y a aussi la
simplification de l'installation
https://github.com/jancelin/geo-poppy/wiki/2.-Installation

J'attends ce week end les 1ere bases de données sur l'agroferesterie et
finalisation des besoins. Et si j'ai des questions je reviendrai vers vous.
Mais oui on part sur des solutions plus simple pour l'instant (ODK,
OpenMapKit ou GeoOdk), on va monter les bases de données et serveur (posm
et autre) pour être tranquille.

Sinon, je suis en discussion avec des laboratoires et organismes qui
traitent de la biodiversité... Quand on regarde la destruction de la
biodiversité en si peu de temps cela donne le tournis...quand on y regarde
de plus prêt (dans les bases de données :)

A+ FredM

Le jeu. 6 sept. 2018 à 20:03, Martin Noblecourt 
a écrit :

> Salut Fred,
>
> Désolé, de notre côté notre seul projet de ce type était justement sur
> GeoPoppy : on avait publié une documentation assez détaillé sur l'outil et
> les prérequis (http://blog.cartong.org/2017/12/21/geopoppy/). On avait
> fait un benchmarking lors du lancement du projet l'an dernier et pas trouvé
> d'autre solution libre qui permettait de faire de la mesure de parcelle de
> façon satisfaisant, mais si tu n'as pas besoin de cette option il y aura
> peut être plus simple. Au niveau technique la difficulté n'est pas tant
> pour les collecteurs de données que pour la mise en place du système donc
> je regarderais quand même si j'étais toi si la solution te paraît
> intéressante.
>
> Bon courage !
>
> Martin
>
> On 06/09/2018 15:30, Fred Moine wrote:
>
> Bonjour,
>
> J’espère que tout le monde va bien. J’envoie un message comme une
> bouteille à la mer : )
>
> Je suis entrain de reprendre un dossier pour une formation OSM pour
> l'UNOGA (université d'agroforesterie à la Grande Anse en Haïti).
> Initialement c'était pour continuer les formations OSM qu'on avait faites
> après Matthew 2016 (OSM pour la gestion des risques inondation, et
> glissement de terrain).
> pour mémoire:
> http://www.potentiel3-0.org/index.php/en/11-sample-articles/43-demo-article-6
>
> Mais plus je prépare la mission qui va avoir lieu en septembre sur
> Jérémie.
> Plus je découvre qu'ils font de l'agroforesterie et de la préservation de
> la biodiversité un élément important pour la gestion des risques.
>
> Pour les soutenir au mieux dans leur travaux, je dois m'adapter
> rapidement. L'UNOGA et le Jardin des cayes font un herbier en ce moment sur
> le terrain et me demandent de collecter des points GPS des différentes
> espèces pour les aider.
> Ils veulent à terme, avec une université à Montréal, faire des
> modélisations pour voir quel type d’espèce ils peuvent ou doivent préserver
> en priorité avec l'intégration des données météo, glissement terrain,
> changement climatique J’espère que j'ai bien compris leur demande car
> elle vient pimenter la préparation de la formation
>
> Donc la demande (comme l'agroforesterie n'est pas mon domaine) :
>
> - Connaitriez vous des organismes qui ont développés des questionnaires
> terrain avec ODK
> Et par chance en intégrant des tags OSM : )  on veut les former à
> OpenMapKit ou GeoOdk.
> - Si vous avez des pistes ou contact pour que je puisse creuser la
> thématique pour répondre au mieux à leur demande.
>
> Voila on va les accompagner de façon volontaire sur ce projet et sujet
> qu'on pense important pour Haïti. Ce sont des partenaires impressionnant de
> par leur impact, leur motivation et ceux malgré le manque de moyen. Comme
> quoi parfois ce n'est pas forcement qu'un problème d'argent.
>
> Volontairement vôtre, FredM pour l'équipe Potentiel3.0
>
> PS: on avait pensé à mettre un serveur Geopoppy, mais le niveau n'est pas
> encore là pour se permettre de mettre cela en place sur le terrain.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Martin Wynne]

You were suggesting identifying them by observation, using street lights 
as a distinguishing factor.


Yes, in the event that you are uncertain. I said it was a useful indicator.

If you already know, you don't need an indicator. No-one is going to be 
in any doubt about whether Evesham is a town or a village.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 11:25, Martin Wynne wrote:
If it were true, then almost every village would need 30mph repeater 
signs throughout, as they wouldn't have enough lighting to count as a 
built up area. In practice, though, they don't.


Yes they do. At least all the villages I know have 30mph repeaters. 
Here's a couple at random:


  https://goo.gl/maps/zMfNHUFTSW92

  https://goo.gl/maps/N96GbyndYRB2


None of the villages round here do. Nor do any of those I've lived in 
previously.


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[Talk-lv] osm kartēšana limbažos 15. septembrī

[Rihards]

Re cik jauki Limbaži saorganizējuši - OSM zīmēšana 15. septembrī.

http://osm.lv/blog/2018/09/limbazi-aicina-uz-openstreetmap-kartesanas-pasakumu/

Ja ir laiks un vēlme, dodamies palīgā :)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 11:10, Martin Wynne wrote:


Here's a couple of locations near me. One is in a village, the other 
is in a town. Can you tell, just by looking at them, which is which?


If you already know one is a village and the other is a town, why do you 
need any other means of identifying them?


You were suggesting identifying them by observation, using street lights 
as a distinguishing factor.


However, this road in Badsey has no street lighting. If it was in a 
town, it would have:


  https://goo.gl/maps/LdvB1zisEiP2


This road in Evesham has no street lights. That doesn't make it a village:

https://goo.gl/maps/dvyf4foNydN2

It is true that the larger the urban area, the more likely it is to be 
consistently lit, and towns tend to be larger than villages. But that's 
just a variant of using population size to differentiate between a 
village and a town. It's only reliable at the ends of the spectrum, 
where there is already little dispute. It doesn't help with the edge 
cases or the atypical scenarios.


Mark


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[David Woolley]

On 07/09/18 10:47, Martin Wynne wrote:


The great advantage of this definition for mapping is that it is an 
undisputed fact, on the ground.


You put lots of caveats into this, which leads lots of grounds for disputes.

One thing to remember is that OSM is international and the 
town/village/city concepts don't map cleanly to other cultures.  Even US 
English has a rather different concept of city.


What I've seen, in the context of other countries, is population being 
favoured as the determiner.  Obviously you can get over-pedantic about 
borderline cases.


The thing that makes the UK difficult is that the tag values look like 
the common language terms and match well enough to be right, a lot of 
the time.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Philip Barnes]

I think the presence of streetlights is a regional thing, certainly in 
Leicestershire only the smaller rural villages will lack street lights.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 7 September 2018 11:47:16 CEST, Martin Wynne  wrote:
>
>> There are, indeed, multiple definitions of the difference between a
>town
>> and a village
>
>A useful indicator is the street lighting.
>
>Generally a town has continuous evenly spaced street lamps along all or
>
>most roads within its boundary.
>
>Villages often have no street lighting, or only a few strategic lamps 
>scattered about.
>
>The great advantage of this definition for mapping is that it is an 
>undisputed fact, on the ground.
>
>Martin.
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[Talk-cz] Fwd: Trademark use questions

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, info z OSMF k vecem ohledne ochrannych znamek - jmeno organizace,
dns, konference apod. tim to povazuju za vyjasnene.

Bye

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Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 11:47
Subject: Re: Trademark use questions
To: Tom Ka , 


Hi Tom

Becoming a formal chapter gives the chapter a licence to use the
trademark for the relevant uses. So I don't think there is really an
issue (except a bit of a hen and egg problem, but that's life).

Simon

Am 07.09.2018 um 10:53 schrieb Tom Ka:
> Hello,
>
> czech OSM community is preparing formal organization to support it.
> One of declared goals of this organization is to became Local Chapter
> of OSMF. I went throw
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy, but did not find
> exact statement for such case. Could you clarify this for us please?
>
> for reference (in Czech):
> https://openstreetmap.cz/organizace
>
> When opening this, I would like to be sure for other two cases known to
me:
>
> DNS openstreetmap.cz (running web for CZ OSM community)
> Local conferences - SotM CZ (or SotM CZ+SK) see
> https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm/20176,
> https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm/2017,
> https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm/20178
>
> Thank you in advance Tomas Kasparek (openstreetmap.org/user/tkk)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 10:47, Martin Wynne wrote:



There are, indeed, multiple definitions of the difference between a town
and a village


A useful indicator is the street lighting.

Generally a town has continuous evenly spaced street lamps along all or 
most roads within its boundary.


Villages often have no street lighting, or only a few strategic lamps 
scattered about.


That is really not true at all. It may be true for very small rural 
villages, but not for the vast majority of them. If it were true, then 
almost every village would need 30mph repeater signs throughout, as they 
wouldn't have enough lighting to count as a built up area. In practice, 
though, they don't.


Here's a couple of locations near me. One is in a village, the other is 
in a town. Can you tell, just by looking at them, which is which?


https://goo.gl/maps/LcBE9EmjcTR2

https://goo.gl/maps/j8SWzBjjkeQ2

Mark

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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Sergio Manzi]

Elaborando un po' di più:

  * Dai documenti pubblici possiamo desumere chi *gestisce* l'esercizio e direi 
che non c'è dubbio che "gestore == operator".
  * Non possiamo sapere se è anche proprietario (/landlord/) della struttura, 
oppure la sta affittando (e quindi è /tenant/)
  * L'esistenza di un /tenant /implica necessariamente l'esistenza di un 
/landlord/, diverso dal /tenant/,  e può trattarsi di figura privata alla quale 
sia applica (a mio avviso) la GDPR
  * Ricordiamoci che esiste anche il concetto di /"affitto di ramo di 
impresa"/, dove comunque "appare" il locatario e non necessariamente il 
locatore.
//


On 2018-09-07 11:38, Sergio Manzi wrote:
>
> Ooops... hai perfettamente ragione!
>
> Comunque mi sembra in ogni caso una informazione secondaria (/e forse pure 
> quella privata/): quello che può interessare è chi "gestisce" la pompa (/o un 
> qualsiasi esercizio/), per capirci quello che compare nello scontrino fiscale.
>
>
> On 2018-09-07 11:32, LvdT wrote:
>>> solo "padrone dei muri", al quale l'operator paga l'affitto
>> Quello sarebbe landlord (locatore), tenant (locatario) è colui che opera
>> fisicamente la stazione.
>>
>> Ciao,
>> Irene.
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Martin Wynne]

There are, indeed, multiple definitions of the difference between a town
and a village


A useful indicator is the street lighting.

Generally a town has continuous evenly spaced street lamps along all or 
most roads within its boundary.


Villages often have no street lighting, or only a few strategic lamps 
scattered about.


The great advantage of this definition for mapping is that it is an 
undisputed fact, on the ground.


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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Sergio Manzi]

Ooops... hai perfettamente ragione!

Comunque mi sembra in ogni caso una informazione secondaria (/e forse pure 
quella privata/): quello che può interessare è chi "gestisce" la pompa (/o un 
qualsiasi esercizio/), per capirci quello che compare nello scontrino fiscale.


On 2018-09-07 11:32, LvdT wrote:
>> solo "padrone dei muri", al quale l'operator paga l'affitto
> Quello sarebbe landlord (locatore), tenant (locatario) è colui che opera
> fisicamente la stazione.
>
> Ciao,
> Irene.
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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[LvdT]

>solo "padrone dei muri", al quale l'operator paga l'affitto

Quello sarebbe landlord (locatore), tenant (locatario) è colui che opera
fisicamente la stazione.

Ciao,
Irene.



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[OSM-talk-fr] S'opposer à la directive européenne "Copyright in the Digital Single Market"

[Benoit Fournier - OpenStreetMap France]

Bonjour à tous,

La proposition de "Directive sur le droit d’auteur dans le marché unique
numérique" doit être voté le 12 septembre 2018.
Des voix s'élèvent pour marquer leur opposition :
de nombreuses personnalités (Tim Berners-Lee
, Vint Cerf
, Jimmy Wales
, ...) et organisations (Les
membres d'OpenStreetMap en Allemagne, CC - Creative Commons, EDRi -
European Digital Rights, EFF - Electronic Frontier Foundation, FSFE - Free
Software Foundation Europe, OKI - Open Knowledge International, ...)

Renseignez-vous et agissez :
https://fr.saveyourinternet.eu/

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_de_directive_sur_le_droit_d%27auteur_dans_le_march%C3%A9_unique_num%C3%A9rique

La méthode d'action conseillée est de téléphoner à vos membres du
parlementaire européen.
https://fr.saveyourinternet.eu/#tabs

Symboliquement, OpenStreetMap Allemagne présente des tuiles d'information
sur fond noir au milieu de la carte.
https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html

D'autres informations en anglais sur un fil de discussion de l'OSMF :
[Osmf-talk] Taking a stand against EU directive "Copyright in the Digital
Single Market" (upload filters etc.)
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2018-September/005250.html

Librement,

Benoît
membre OpenStreetMap France


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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 23:15
Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Taking a stand against EU directive "Copyright in
the Digital Single Market" (upload filters etc.)
To: 


Hi all,
For all EU citizens on the list, the call for action from orgs working hard
on this is to *please make phone calls to your MEPs this week.*
https://saveyourinternet.eu/ will help you make calls, or you can look up
their phone numbers here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/map.html
Orgs objecting to this are getting pushback from lawmakers dismissing
emails and tweets as "bots", so phone calls from constituents are the best
method. The "exceptions" that are currently written do not reflect reality,
and as Michael mentioned, are in many circumstances limited to specific
activities by nonprofits, and there is no exception for mapping or data
platforms.
In solidarity,
Kathleen


On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:49 PM Michael Reichert 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> on 12 September, the plenary of the European Parliament will vote on the
> new EU directive "Copyright in the Digital Single Market". The directive
> will introduce upload filters requiring internet platforms to scan
> contributions of their users for potential copyright violations
> automatically. The original proposal has passed the Committee on Legal
> Affairs on 20 June and failed in the plenary vote a few days later. If
> the plenary accepts the slightly modified proposal on 12 September, the
> trialogue negotiations between the European Parliament, the European
> Commission and the Council of the European Union will start. See also
> https://saveyourinternet.eu/ for more information in your language.
>
> The press reported that there is some kind of exception for Wikipedia,
> open source software development platforms and online marketplaces.
> However, OpenStreetMap data is not only used by the non-profit
> OpenStreetMap Foundation but also by various other data consumers, most
> of them for-profit businesses.
>
> FOSSGIS e.V., the OSMF local chapter in Germany, takes a stand
> against it by responding to every tenth tile requests to
> tile.openstreetmap.de with a special black error tile.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Savetheinternet.svg
>
> See it in action on any page using our tile server, e.g.
> https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html
>
> The tiles are distributed randomly over the map.
>
>
> *Why does this affect the OSMF?*
> The UK will leave the European Union but it is likely that many EU rules
> will nonetheless apply in the UK as well, depending on how the
> negotiations continue.
>
>
> *What should the OSMF do?*
> I myself think that the OSMF should show at least a banner on
> openstreetmap.org instead of the usual conference banners – ideally
> ignoring cookie settings and showing it to every visitor for about three
> days.
>
>
> *What more could the OSMF do?*
> The OSMF could go even further and answer one of ten requests to its
> European (or all) tile caches with a black or grey error tile showing a
> short URL of a page containing more information about the bad side of
> upload filters.
>
>
> *What could other local chapters and operators of free to use tile
> servers in Europe do?*
> They could join the initiative of FOSSGIS and also show error tiles.
>
> Our error tile can be found at:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Savetheinternet.png
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Savetheinternet.svg
>
> Our special page about the black tiles is
> https://www.openstreetmap.de/uf/ (only in German but an automatic

Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/09/2018 09:06, Colin Smale wrote:

On 2018-09-07 09:37, Mark Goodge wrote:

Obviously it's been "town" more than village (and the person who 
added it as such was/is pretty local) - but is that still correct?
 I'll comment on the latest change about this thread so that 
everyone's aware of it.


It has a parish council that has not chosen to style itself as a 
town council. So, officially, it's a village.


How does that make it official? There are Town Councils whose name 
does not reference an existing place, so what the council calls 
itself doesn't make it official...


It does according to the Local Government Act 1972, which is what
defines a town for the purposes of local government.

Once upon a time a Town was a place that had been granted the right 
to hold its own market, wasn't it? By that yardstick WM would appear
 to be a town. Once again, there is no straight answer to the 
question "Is Whickam Market a town or a village?" The only single 
correct answer is "it depends" and there are a variety of correct 
answers according to the criterion you are using.


There are, indeed, multiple definitions of the difference between a town
and a village, although the idea that all towns have markets and 
villages don't isn't really one of them (that's just something of a folk

story). Lots of villages have markets, lots of towns don't. There is
such a thing as a "charter market", which was, originally, only granted
to towns, but if we use that as the basis then we're getting a bit into
historic county territory (as well as having to redefine several quite
large towns as villages!).

So now OSM (or the OSM community or the OSMUK local chapter) has to 
get off the fence and pick one. Or pick all of them by adding 
multiple tags, like market=yes, population=X etc. That provides the 
objective raw data so that data consumers (including renderers) can 
make their own decisions.


Multiple tags are certainly helpful, yes. But the particular tag under
discussion here is the 'place' tag.

I do think it's valuable to have a consistent approach to what goes in
the 'place' tag, which means having an agreed approach. Personally, I
think that the Local Government Act distinction between a village and a
town is the most useful, for a number of reasons. Firstly, it's clear
and unambiguous, it's objective rather than subjective. Secondly, it's
easy to find out, it doesn't rely on local knowledge. Also, it tends to
be the distinction that's most relevant to most people's everyday lives.

Other definitions are more problematic. There are two main historical
definitions, one based around town charters and the other around
ecclesiastical parishes, but you need to know the history of a 
particular place to be able to apply them. And, in any case, they go 
against the OSM principle that we map what is, not what was. Using them 
would also create some rather ridiculous situations; Milton Keynes, for 
example, is clearly a town by any sensible current definition but would 
still be a village by historic definitions.


Equally, using a simple numeric formula ("it's a village if it has fewer 
than X inhabitants") is harder than it looks. Quite apart from the 
difficulty of determining the actual number of residents, it creates 
edge cases where places that are legally and colloquially known as towns 
would have to be mapped as villages, and vice versa. Residents of 
Lancing, for example, are quite proud to live in the largest village in 
England! Who are we to tell them that they don't?


Apart from using the legal definition, therefore, it seems to me that 
the only other practical option is to leave it entirely subjective, and 
go by what people perceive their town or village to be - to use 
whichever of the historic, legal or numeric definitions is most 
appropriate for them. But then you have the problem that not everybody 
agrees (which I suspect is the issue with Wickham Market, which is why 
it's alternated between village and town). And how can the OSM community 
be sure that a particular designation really is what the majority of 
local residents think, rather than just being the bee in some 
individual's bonnet?


Obviously, all of the above is just my opinion, and others may well 
disagree. But I'd go by the official designation in any places that I 
mapped, unless there's an agreed OSM policy otherwise.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Sergio Manzi]

Martin, il "tenant" (/solo "padrone dei muri", al quale l'operator paga 
l'affitto/) può benissimo essere un privato cittadino che non ci tiene tanto a 
far sapere in giro quali siano le sue proprietà. Direi che la GDPR si applica, 
eccome!


On 2018-09-07 08:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 6. Sep 2018, at 20:32, Sergio Manzi  wrote:
>>
>> E con la GDPR come la mettiamo? Andiamo a casa del tenant a chiedergli se 
>> gli va bene essere pubblicato (al 99% no...)?
>
> non si applica la GDPR perché non mappiamo dati di persone private, mappiamo 
> attività commerciali/società/imprese (che possono essere anche fatte di una 
> sola persona, include i liberi professionisti). Sono dati pubblici. 
>
>
> Ciao, Martin 
>


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Re: [Talk-it] Violazione licenza - Rally Alpi Orientali

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 07/09/2018 10:01, liste_girarsi ha scritto:

più tardi posto anche la mia sesta. :)





Ooops! guardato meglio adesso, è google maps ritoccata, quindi non ci 
riguarda :)



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[Talk-cz] Spolek OSM CZ

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, v ramci finise priprav pro organizaci jsem na wiki

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Cs:spolek_OSMCZ
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Stanovy_OSMCZ

Oznacil pripominky, ktere jsou podle mne vyresene (diky YjM za
upravu). Pokud mate pocit, ze tomu tak neni, prosim ozvete se -
idealne zase na diskuzni strance nebo i sem.

Pri te prilezitosti se jeste divam na trademarks (mormegilova
pripominka) a veci kolem. Zatim je vystup, ze pro konferenci neni
treba zadat o zadny souhlas OSMF viz.
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy bod 3.1. Co se
tyka spolku a pouziti OpenStreetMap v nazvu, taky mi to prijde OK ale
jeste zkoumam.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Colin Smale]

On 2018-09-07 09:37, Mark Goodge wrote:

> Obviously it's been "town" more than village (and the person who added it as 
> such was/is pretty local) - but is that still correct?  I'll comment on the 
> latest change about this thread so that everyone's aware of it.
> It has a parish council that has not chosen to style itself as a town 
> council. So, officially, it's a village.

How does that make it official? There are Town Councils whose name does
not reference an existing place, so what the council calls itself
doesn't make it official... 

Once upon a time a Town was a place that had been granted the right to
hold its own market, wasn't it? By that yardstick WM would appear to be
a town. 

Once again, there is no straight answer to the question "Is Whickam
Market a town or a village?" The only single correct answer is "it
depends" and there are a variety of correct answers according to the
criterion you are using. 

So now OSM (or the OSM community or the OSMUK local chapter) has to get
off the fence and pick one. Or pick all of them by adding multiple tags,
like market=yes, population=X etc. That provides the objective raw data
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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il giorno 6 settembre 2018 13:53, Andrea Musuruane  ha
scritto:
> C'è qualche problema con i distributori taggati come area (e non come
nodo): compaiono una volta per ogni vertice del poligono che lo compongono
(e senza tag).

Tutti i paramentri della challenge sono modificabili, tranne la query :-(
anche se "spubblicata". l' ho quindi clonata in questa [1], usando "out
geom;".. mi pare funzioni.

Grazie per la segnalazione!

[1] http://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3171
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Re: [Talk-it] Violazione licenza - Rally Alpi Orientali

[liste_girarsi]

Il 7 Settembre 2018 07:58:18 CEST, Aury88  ha scritto:
>Però! 5^ segnalazione di violazione in meno di 3 settimaneannamo
>bene!
>
>
>
>
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più tardi posto anche la mia sesta. :)


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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il giorno 6 settembre 2018 15:46, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> > On 6. Sep 2018, at 13:43, Cascafico Giovanni 
> wrote:
> > Ho messo su una challenge [1] in maproulette per la risoluzione dei
> nomi/brand.
>
>
Il discorso di brand e name si può soltanto risolvere con una buona
> conoscenza dell’attuale situazione (survey), mentre map roulette ti fa
> vedere situazioni casuali che quasi mai conosci di persona, quindi il
> risultato può essere solo peggio di prima.
>
>
+1
ho navigato tra le impostazioni delle challenge ed in effetti non c'è la
possibilità di navigare nella mappa; l'unico modo è di concedere l'accesso
alla propria posizione, ma ho dei dubbi che so possa fare qualcosa con uno
smartphone.

Sul risultato peggio di prima non sono d'accordo. Ho sistemato diversi fuel
ed erano quasi tutti con il nome da aggiornare, inoltre pensavo ci fossero
meno immagini Mapillary... da quello che ho visto ci sono molte possibilità
di migliorare le cose anche con l'armchair mapping.

Ho seguito questo criterio per le incoerenze name/brand:
- disponibile img mapillary: nessun problema, aggiorno name ed
eventualmente brand (questo mai capitato), rimuovo fixme
- no img mapillary, no survey: se name più vecchio di 2 anni fa > aggiorno
name da brand, rimuovo fixme
- altri casi lascio fixme
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

[Rory McCann]

I'll retag all the ones I added to the historic=archaeological_site 
site_type=fortification fortification_type=ringfort tagging scheme, from 
the other one. So the numbers will change soon. 


On 06/09/18 13:33, Rory McCann wrote:

Hi all,

I mapped a lot with historical=earthworks earthworks=rath. A few years
brianh came up with a tagging scheme for historic objects like that in
Ireland, and that was the tagging for ringforts, so I used that. I have
no strong attachment to it, and would be willing to change to something
else.

I've mapped them from the GSGS map combined with current aerial, and as
a closed way. We can do more accurate than a node! 

The Archeological Survey of Ireland has all these (and more!) mapped,
and I believe there's some attempt to ask the Dept Culture, Heritage &
Gaeltacht to open that out, but nothing yet. That would certainly aid
mapping.

https://www.archaeology.ie/archaeological-survey-ireland

rory

On 05/09/18 07:05, Colm Moore wrote:

Hi,


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fortification%20type=ringfort?uselang=en-GB 




Was someone running a project on mapping / tidying-up raths / 
ringforts? I notice many are mapped in Cork and Kilkenny, but few 
elsewhere.


I haven't come across many of these until the last few weeks. In that 
time, I seem to have been tagging them incorrectly.


Can I check the correct tagging is:
historic=archaeological_site
site_type=fortification
fortification_type=ringfort ?

I checked http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/ for the word "fort", (I 
didn't check for name~fort or description~fort) and there are many 
tagging variations (not all of these will be ringforts).


archaeological_site=earthworks
archaeological_site=fort
archaeological_site=ring_fort
archaeological_site=ringfort
castle_type=fortification
castle_type=fortress
earthworks=rath
earthworks=ringfort
earthworks=ringfort (rath)
fortification=ring_ditch
fortification_type=hill_fort
fortification_type=hillfort
fortification_type=ringfort
historic=fort
historic=fortification
historic=hillfort
historic=ring fort
historic=ring_fort
inscription=Ring fort
military=fort
note=Ancient fort
note=Ancient ring fort
note=Fawney (fainne) means ring, maybe the site of a ringfort? Was 
also slang to kiss the King/Lords ring. Very interesting as the road 
is called the Royal Oak

note=Fort
note=Not sure if these are Barrows or rath, or what the difference is! 
Ring fort
note=Not sure if these are Barrows or raths, or what the difference 
is! Ring fort

note=Ring Fort?
note=Round Fort?
note=ring fort
note=ringfort
ruins=fort
ruins=ringfort
site_type=earthwork
site_type=earthworks
site_type=enclosure
site_type=fortification
site_type=ring fort
site_type=ringfort
site_type=ringfort;megalith
type=ringfort
wikipedia=en:Ringfort
wikipedia_1=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringfort

How should I proceed?


Colm


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wickham Market, Suffolk

[Mark Goodge]

On 06/09/2018 22:00, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote:
Is anyone familiar with this area?  Someone's mentioned on IRC that 
Wickham Market has been changed from town to village and back a couple 
of times:


http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=114148812

Obviously it's been "town" more than village (and the person who added 
it as such was/is pretty local) - but is that still correct?  I'll 
comment on the latest change about this thread so that everyone's aware 
of it.


It has a parish council that has not chosen to style itself as a town 
council. So, officially, it's a village.


http://wickhammarket.onesuffolk.net/

It's also a bit small for a town. According to Wikipedia (which also 
considers it a village) it has a population of just over 2,000. I 
wouldn't normally consider that a town.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickham_Market

However, local usage may be different. The real question is whether OSM 
has a policy of always following official usage or whether local usage 
can take precedence.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-cz] Zápis z brněnské hospody (SOTM, založení organizace)

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj,

diky Mirkovi za zapis! Date někdo aspon par vet z Prahy?

Dne 6. září 2018 16:27 Miroslav Suchy  napsal(a):
> * nové jméno pro PhotoDB2 - probírali jsme možné kombinace OSM, mapy, Photo, 
> DB. Nakonec jsme si řekli, že snad bude
> lepší název úplně jiný a nesouvisející. Načež padly návrhy:
>   - Fody
>   - Phody
>   - FieldPhotos
>   Můžete hlasovat co se vám líbí: https://doodle.com/poll/5kb5dnue35wbs5y8
>   Tom se pak vašemi preferencemi může a nebo nemusí řídit :)

Rad bych to uzavrel do konce vikendu a na zacatku pristiho tydne
provedl nasazeni naostro na osmap.cz.

> * SOTM 2018 - nejvyšší čas něco plánovat. Tak jsme vybrali datum 17. 
> listopadu (dle Cimrmana, významné datum ať se to
> dobře pamatuje). S tím, že v sobotu by byli přednášky a v neděli případně 
> nějaký mapovací workshop. V každém případě by
> to bylo v Brně nebo blízkém okolí. Pokud plánujete přijet, ta budu rád když 
> mi dáte nezávazně vědět v:
>https://doodle.com/poll/iri3mpczufydww75
> Podle počtu zájemců bych pak vybral místo, abychom se tam vlezli.
> Kdo byste chtěli přednášet (bloky budou asi po 30 minutách), tak mi prosím 
> napište, budu chystat program.

Pripominam, ze info je (a hlavne bude) na https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm/2018

> Jedna z věcí, kterou bychom na SOTM 2018 vyřešit je založení české pobočky 
> OSM. Takže si prosím přečtěte návrh stanov co
> posílal Tom K. a připadně připomínky se snažte vyřešit před konferencí. První 
> hlasování musí být fyzicky. Později to
> půjde i elektronicky, ale ustanovující schůze musí být in-persona. Takže 
> pokud chcete být členy ode dne 0, tak si prosím
> naplánujte cestu.
> Pokud někdo chcete kandidovat do rady nové organizace, tak prosím pište 
> VOPovi. On to bude sbírat. Kandidáti by se měli
> na konferenci dostavit a představit se ostatním o následně si z kandidátů 
> zvolíme radu.

Opet informace jsou na https://openstreetmap.cz/organizace
stanovy jsou na wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stanovy_OSMCZ

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[Talk-it] salviamo il ns internet

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Segnalo l’iniziativa https://it.saveyourinternet.eu/
che si rivolge contro i upload filter che potrebbero diventare obbligatori.

È disponibile una modifica di mod tile per distribuire ogni tanto dei tiles con 
un messaggio:
https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html
Se avete un tile server, considerate di installare questa modifica fino al 
voto, grazie,


Ciao, Martin 

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Re: [Talk-it] dataset MISE distributori

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 6. Sep 2018, at 20:32, Sergio Manzi  wrote:
> 
> E con la GDPR come la mettiamo? Andiamo a casa del tenant a chiedergli se gli 
> va bene essere pubblicato (al 99% no...)?


non si applica la GDPR perché non mappiamo dati di persone private, mappiamo 
attività commerciali/società/imprese (che possono essere anche fatte di una 
sola persona, include i liberi professionisti). Sono dati pubblici. 


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[Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 422

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 422 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/10636

* PhotoDB2 finišuje.
* PT_Assistant pro JOSM.
* Navigace pro zrakově postižené.
* OSM server pro jižní Afriku.
* Mastodon pro OSM.
* Grant pro HOT.
* Vykreslování a osm2pgsql.
* Amazon a OSM.
* Rostoucí Open Address.
* QA nástroje v editoru iD.
* Maposmatic - jednoduché mapy měst.
* Interaktivní mapa zvuků.


Pěkné počtení ...

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[Talk-us] New MapRoulette challenge

[Horea Meleg]

Hi everyone!
Thank you all for your contribution on our MapRoulette challenges.
We just added a new challenge with adding speed limit in Detroit. We extracted 
speed limit detections from OpenStreetCam and intersected them with existing 
ways in OSM to see where we have a detection, but we don't have speed limit tag 
in OSM.
The challenge can be found here: http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3170. 
Also, in challenge description there is a GitHub issue with detailed 
instructions.
We still have some old challenges which can be found in this mail thread.
We'd love any input and advice!
If you have any questions or comments, please let me/us know.
Thanks!

From: Horea Meleg
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:59 PM
To: 'talk-US@openstreetmap.org' 
Subject: New MapRoulette challenges

Hi everyone!
First, a big thank you for all contributors who worked on existing MapRoulette 
Challenges.
Second, we prepared 5 more challenges like the others, but in different areas. 
You can find them here:

  *   Greenville, SC - http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3085
  *   New Orleans, LA - http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3086
  *   Albany, NY - http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3088
  *   Dayton, OH - http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3090
  *   Phoenix, AZ - http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3093
There are also some old challenges that you can work on:

  *   Tulsa, OK - http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3067
  *   Albuquerque, NM - http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3066

All necessary information can be found in challenges description. Also, 
description contains GitHub tickets for all challenges.
We'd love any input and advice!
If you have any questions or comments, please let me/us know.
Thanks!


From: Horea Meleg
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:29 PM
To: 'talk-US@openstreetmap.org' 
mailto:talk-US@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: New MapRoulette challenges

Hi everyone!
First, a big thank you for all contributors who finished our first MapRoulette 
Challenges.
Second, as we promised, we prepared 4 more challenges like the others, but in 
different areas. You can find them here:

  *   Tulsa, Oklahoma http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3067
  *   Tucson, Arizona http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3068
  *   Albuquerque, New Mexico http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3066
  *   El Paso, New Mexico http://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3065

All necessary information can be found in challenges description. Also, 
description contains GitHub tickets for both challenges.
We'd love any input and advice!
If you have any questions or comments, please let me/us know.
Thanks!



From: Horea Meleg
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 10:02 AM
To: talk-US@openstreetmap.org
Subject: New MapRoulette challenges


Hi everyone!

To make OpenStreetMap more navigable and accurate in guidance, Telenav mapping 
team is planning to process available open data and share it with the community 
using MapRoulette Challenges.

As a starting point we processed Tiger 2017 data, and we extracted ways which 
don't have name in OSM but there is an available name in Tiger. We made two 
challenges, for two different areas:

  *   Jacksonville, Florida 
http://maproulette.org/mr3/admin/project/271/challenge/3041
  *   San Antonio, Texas 
http://maproulette.org/mr3/admin/project/271/challenge/3042



All necessary information can be found in challenges description. Also, 
description contains GitHub tickets for both challenges.

We'd love any input and advice!

If you have any questions or comments, please let me/us know.

Thanks!

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