PTV vs RTV when UTF-8
Hello all, all my messages are shown with PTV - that's nice so far. But yesterday, one message was shown with RTV and I didn't change any options. Analyzing the headers of this mail, we thought it may be related to charset utf-8. You'll find this mail here: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So, now my question: Is this correct? And if it's correct, why can't PTV show utf-8 mails and when will PTV be able to show utf-8 mails. References which were posted early after 3.0.2.2 Rush announcement: - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you in advance. -- Best regards, Manuel The Bat! 3.0.2.1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: PTV vs RTV when UTF-8
Hello Manuel, on 28.10.2004 at 08:01 you wrote: So, now my question: Is this correct? And if it's correct, why can't PTV show utf-8 mails and when will PTV be able to show utf-8 mails. Now, a few seconds after I send this message, Edvinas gave an answer: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So this will turn into feature wish ;) -- Best regards, Manuel The Bat! 3.0.2.1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Hello Edvinas, on 28.10.2004 at 07:58 you wrote: Yes, it is because of UTF-8. PTV can't display Unicode messages, only RTV can. Therefore if message is UTF-8, The Bat! always switches to RTV. Thank you... a few seconds before your message arrived, I send a question to tbbeta, which you find here: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Manuel The Bat! 3.0.2.1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Hello Mackley, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 11:10:57 PM, you wrote: Mackley's message headers say User-Agent: Opera M2/7.60 (Win32, build 7263) LOL, I use Opera for all Yahoo! and SmartGroups ML... It's forbidden ? ;-) Not at all :) - its just the explanation for UTF-8 in your message... -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Confirmed Statistic
Hello Michael, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 11:11:28 PM, you wrote: I do not know if you know this, but it has been proven that 98% of all computer problems are operator error/corrupt operating system. I recently read a statistic that 87% of all statistics are wrong. :-) SCNR -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Confirmed Statistic
Hello Dimitry, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 11:44:23 PM, you wrote: I do not know if you know this, but it has been proven that 98% of all computer problems are operator error/corrupt operating system. Ah, that's about the same as: 98% of all statistics are nonsense. Uh. I should've guessed someone else already made that joke. :-) -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Windows editor: Quote problem
Hello Martin, On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 10:05, you wrote: MS The new Windows editor doesn't quote text correctly and the ALT-L to MS re-format the text doesn't seem to work. Confirmed here. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush with BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 pgpVKdU2NOdWO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP got worse, not better
Sorry if this is a duplication... I upgraded to 3.0.2.2 but had terrible luck with IMAP. Empty message lists, long delays, hangs with the IMAP server, etc. Had to downgrade back to RC7 where IMAP is actually working quite well. I went ahead and added a bug report... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3985 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Hi TBBeta, getting curious after all these messages with problems at closing time (anybody knowing this LP?) I downloaded 3.0.2.2 and have to say it starts up so quickly I can't just blink once. The shutdown problem didn't occurred for me yet. But I can see the message pane emptying as some other told. But then TB! closed normally. (Well, maybe a Athlon 64 3200+ is worth something here :-)) But the first time I closed TB! I got an AV. After that I always looked at the CC if there is a task active and closed it only if there is no task (well, only one task for IMAP to be exact). That works well. The AV is attached. -- I'm already gone, Raymund The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP Service Pack 2attachment: myav.PNG Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Tim, A reminder of what Tim Casten typed on: 28 October 2004 at 04:16:50 GMT +0200 TC This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours TC restoring going back in builds etc etc. Looks like you need Januks batch file, it's taken me less than 2 minutes to transfer from the Laptop to this desktop my complete TB installation and it's as if it's never been moved. Just got to see now if it misbehaves itself. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 28/10/2004 at 09:04 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 4:32:44 AM, Thomas Martin threw back his cloak, climbed the podium, loudly cleared his throat and spoke: This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours restoring going back in builds etc etc. just a few words. That is the risk of Betas. Allow me to correct it a bit. That is the risk of Betas that insist on acting like Releases. Let me say it once more, for good measure, so that anybody concerned hears... BETA VERSIONS SHOULD NOT EVEN TRY TO INSTALL AS 'NORMAL' PROGRAMS. THEY SHOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PROGRAM ID AND INSTALL SEPARATELY, NOT EVEN TOUCHING THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION. Geez. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random church bulletin blooper: Wednesday the Ladies' Liturgy Group will meet. Mrs Johnson will sing, Put Me in My Little Bed accompanied by the Pastor. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 9:16:27 PM [GMT -0500], Tim Casten wrote: I completely unistalled the Bat went back to 3.0 did a restore, then upgraded to this build and had the strangest occurance I have ever seen. A completely blank screen, nothing there except the Bat was downlading mail as the mail ticker was working and showing new mail downloaded, but I had no folders, nothing. This happened two or three times and I went back to build 10 before rc1 and all was seemed to be fine except all of my folders were gone. I then did a restore at that point and my message base and folders came back only to disappear the next time I restarted the Bat. I then had to do a restore again, and then upgraded to this newest beta again and it is the sluggish thing I have ever seen, its running terrible and don't even think about shutting the program down. You're using the backup utility to create backups that you restore from? I've never done a complete uninstall of TB! since using it in 1999. I've usually just switched executables. If I have a problem with the new one, I replace it with the one I was using before. The beta download consists of just the program executable. I rename the one I was using and then place the beta in the installation directory. I then try it. If I'm not happy, I just delete it and rename the old executable back to the right name. All this uninstalling and restoring may be causing you more harm than the beta itself, especially if you're using the tb-backup. It can be unpredictable how that work. My last use of it to restore to a copy of SecureBat! yielded only partial restoration. There was on SecureBat! build where with each restart, the folders would all disappear leaving only the basic default folders. So all this may be a mainly problems with restoring. What was your original reason for completely uninstalling TB!. This beta runs well on my system here. No catastrophes to speak of. -- -= Allie =- . Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get. __ IMAP [ Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush | Server: MDaemon Pro ] OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP got worse, not better
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 2:30:21 AM [GMT -0500], Matt Thoene wrote: I upgraded to 3.0.2.2 but had terrible luck with IMAP. Empty message lists, long delays, hangs with the IMAP server, etc. Had to downgrade back to RC7 where IMAP is actually working quite well. I went ahead and added a bug report... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3985 This beta works very well for me here. v3.0.2.1 was not good. I would get a lot of AV's, at times cascading into oblivion and forcing a kill from the taskmanager. I haven't seen an AV yet which is an improvement. I used to have hangs with folder syncs, but I'm no longer seeing that. So while I've improved, you've gone downhill. -- -= Allie =- . How do you write zero in Roman numerals? __ IMAP [ Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush | Server: MDaemon Pro ] OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Windows editor: Quote problem
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 2:22:12 AM [GMT -0500], Edvinas Matiuðaitis wrote: Hello Martin, On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 10:05, you wrote: MS The new Windows editor doesn't quote text correctly and the ALT-L to MS re-format the text doesn't seem to work. Confirmed here. Just a test to see what wrapping is like on sending with this editor. I see wrapping while typping, but we'll see how wrapping goes after sending and I have to read it. -- -= Allie =- . Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it. __ IMAP [ Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush | Server: MDaemon Pro ] OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Windows editor: Quote problem
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 2:22:12 AM [GMT -0500], Edvinas Matiuðaitis wrote: MS The new Windows editor doesn't quote text correctly and the ALT-L MS to re-format the text doesn't seem to work. Alt-L never worked for the Windows editor. That's an ability only of MicroEd. The only other place I see a similar ability is in GVim, a Unix editor. Other clients that use a 'Windows editor'-like editor, offer round about ways to reflow quoted text. They include premade macros to remove the quotes from the text. You then do a reflow of the text unquoted and then you requote the text. I suffered with this 3 step approach while using ThunderBird and Mulberry. I eventually learnt Gvim and use it when not using MicroEd. Maybe RIT should implement similar text handling techniques for reflowing quoted text blocks with this editor type. I don't even see a reformat option for the Windows Editor. So one for formatting and ones for adding/removing quotes to and from text blocks would help. Confirmed here. Still not convinced that MicroEd is the way to go? :) For e-mail, and I stress, for e-mail writing, it's a specialist extra-ordinaire. It's specifically made up for formatting and handling e-mail text which will more than likely included quoted material. It's specifically programmed and prepared for dealing with wrapping issues in e-mail. The Windows editor?? In return for predictable cursor behaviour, you're getting even more problems. I just tested and see that there's no provision yet for wrapping on sending, so in TB!, the use of an editor that works like the Windows editor is a problem for e-mail. The autospellchecker now works with it though. Good luck! -- -= Allie =- . One man's error is another man's data. __ IMAP [ Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush | Server: MDaemon Pro ] OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Windows editor: Quote problem
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 5:23:34 AM [GMT -0500], Allie_M wrote: Just a test to see what wrapping is like on sending with this editor. I see wrapping while typping, but we'll see how wrapping goes after sending and I have to read it. Wow!. Go figure. This test message was supposed to be sent to one of my own addresses. I vividly recall replacing the To: address with my own address. This is bizarre. Ah well. It could have been worse. I could have written some expletives or some other sort of socially unacceptable prose as my test material. ;) Anyway, from my test here, it would seem that all of the Windows Editors wrapping is soft or virtual. Though the quotes seem to be rewrapped in classic saw-toothed fashion, and your new text is wrapped as you type, it's just soft-wrapping for visual comfort. None of that wrapping is actually hard-coded in the message formatting for sending. So no wrapping takes place at all. It's the 'smart wrapping' feature that saves me when I generate replies to messages from many who use the Windows editor. Their text is unwrapped and without 'smart wrapping', each paragraph appears in MicroEd as a long single line of text. MicroEd shows you the exact text formatting. It doesn't fool you into thinking text is wrapped when it really isn't. -- -= Allie =- . Only those who do nothing make no mistakes. __ IMAP [ Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush | Server: MDaemon Pro ] OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Tim, A reminder of what Tim Casten typed on: 28 October 2004 at 04:16:50 GMT +0200 TC This is the worst I have seen. ETC. ETC... Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is about the best, fastest and so far, most efficient and capable version I've used for years. I left it running all night, it faithfully collected my mail from 3 accounts every 10 minutes and still shuts down and fires up the fastest I've experienced from any version. Just a thought but could it be processor specific? We know it's not, or doesn't seem to be OS related. I'm going to join Mary in a little experiment. I'm going to transfer my complete Bat install from this Centrino Laptop over to my P4 Desktop PC and see if I get it hanging on there. Both are running XP Home with SP2. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 28/10/2004 at 08:40 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 2:56:54 AM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom wrote: I'm going to join Mary in a little experiment. I'm going to transfer my complete Bat install from this Centrino Laptop over to my P4 Desktop PC and see if I get it hanging on there. Both are running XP Home with SP2. I agree with that experiment. I'm enjoying this beta as well and will try it on my machine at work which seems to find the last beta quite OK. I have no problems with 3.0.2.1 at work while I had serious problems with AV's at home. Both machines run XP Pro. But then again, the problems are reversed with PowerPro. I have macros that work well on my machine at home and at work, the very same macros are very problematic. Same OS and same PowerPro versions. Different hardware though and that's likely what makes the difference. -- -= Allie =- . Oxymoron: Senatorial Courtesy. __ IMAP [ Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush | Server: MDaemon Pro ] OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Michael, On 27-10-2004 23:12, you [MLW] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MLW Take off, eh? ? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.2.2 Rush Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating
Hello beta testers. In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update read/unread status for VFs. They have been set as Auto Update - but they still show as bolded after the messages they contain have been read in their original/real folders. On Esc all is OK. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.2.2 Rush Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP: TB! hangs when deleting task in CC
Hello TBBETA, TB! loads fine but stalls on when synchronising a folder. When this happens I usually hit Del to delete the task and TB! continues to process other folders. With the latest beta TB! simply hangs. This happens every time... so I'm reverting to 3.0.1.33. BTW, when TB! hangs I see two TB! and CC entries in the Windows Task Manager. -- .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 Understanding is the beginning of approving. ANDRÉ GIDE, 1902 ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.0.1.33 | Horde IMP WebMail IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug - 3.0.2.2 - Common Filters no longer shared
Hello Paul, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 22:45 you wrote at mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the Sorting Office, the 'Share With...' tab shows all my accounts unchecked or deselected. If I select them all, close the Sorting Office then reopen it the accounts are again deselected. Here, bug appears only after a restart of TheBat! (Maybe because I've to kill it because of the hang on exit?). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 6:03:14 AM, Nick wrote: Usually refreshing the folder will do it. Indeed it did! :o) Thanks Marck... nice addition to TB these VF's. Whoops! Spoke too soon. Started TB up this morning, and there they were again: Old messages that had been deleted long ago, still there in the VF's. A refresh seems to take care of the problem for the moment, but alas those pesky messages return. Is there any way...a file deletion perhaps?...to finally rid oneself of those left over messages? -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- The Bat! Pro v3.0.2.2 Rush on Win XP Pro Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Windows editor: Quote problem
Hello Allie, On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 13:32, you wrote: Confirmed here. AM Still not convinced that MicroEd is the way to go? :) I am convinced and I'm using it! I just tested Windows Editor behaviour to confirm what Martin observed. However I have one bad feeling. I remember Maksim saying that PTV and MicroEd will not support Unicode and that means *if* Unicode support finally will be added to the Bat!, MicroEd will not support it anyway. Then I'll have to switch from MicroEd to Windows Editor... :( -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 with BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating
On 28-Oct-2004 04:55:22, Peter wrote: In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update read/unread status for VFs. Yes, I can confirm this behaviour, and wonder if we shouldn't submit a bug report along with it. This behaviour, together with the hand during shutdown, is a show-stopper for me. Is there anywhere we can download just the executable from the last version, or do we have to use the msi installer again? ~Nick Andriash~ Creston, B.C. Canada Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
Hello Nick, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 8:51:07 PM, you wrote: NA I have two VF's that contain 'important' and 'flagged' messages, but the NA problem is the messages in the virtual folders remain long after the NA originals have been deleted. What do I have to do to get rid of the residue NA that resides in those VF's? NA I've tried deleting them, but they come back every time I restart TB. Have you tried compressing the original folders to clear out the remains of the original messages? -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating
Dear Nick, @28-Oct-2004, 06:20 -0700 (28-Oct 14:20 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update read/unread status for VFs. NA Yes, I can confirm this behaviour, and wonder if we shouldn't submit a bug NA report along with it. This behaviour, together with the hand during NA shutdown, is a show-stopper for me. NA Is there anywhere we can download just the executable from the last NA version, or do we have to use the msi installer again? I use RC10 as essentially the same version as the last release. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpgZJsOYjb50.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Allie, I've never done a complete uninstall of TB! since using it in 1999. I've usually just switched executables. If I have a problem with the new one, I replace it with the one I was using before. The beta download consists of just the program executable. I rename the one I was using and then place the beta in the installation directory. I then try it. If I'm not happy, I just delete it and rename the old executable back to the right name. Same here except for a slight difference. I usually keep several versions of TB executable in the same installation directory (sharing it as well as message base, etc.) with slightly different names and with shortcuts to each on my desktop. This way, I can easily start the version I want/need at a certain moment. I must say that this peculiar configuration with several executables sharing the same installation has never been a problem at all for me. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
Hello Nick, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 3:05:01 PM, you wrote: Whoops! Spoke too soon. Started TB up this morning, and there they were again: Old messages that had been deleted long ago, still there in the VF's. A refresh seems to take care of the problem for the moment, but alas those pesky messages return. Just a thought: do you maybe watch the trash folder with your VF (in addition to the regular folders) and haven't emptied it yet? -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
On 28-Oct-2004 06:25:41, Stuart wrote: Have you tried compressing the original folders to clear out the remains of the original messages? All my Folders are set to compress automatically each time TB closes. ~Nick Andriash~ Creston, B.C. Canada Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hello Allie, In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject Re: 3022 is awfull Allie Marting wrote: But then again, the problems are reversed with PowerPro. I have macros that work well on my machine at home and at work, the very same macros are very problematic. Same OS and same PowerPro versions. Different hardware though and that's likely what makes the difference. If you use keyboard stroke macros the problems may come from different processor speeds. Last August I upgraded to a much faster PC and found that some of my macros would not always (or never) work. I traced this to the fact that they were executing too fast (i.e. before some menus, windows or dialogs would actually pop up) and had to adjust PowerPro's typing speed. In same cases I even had to include a /wait/ command so that macro execution would actually wait for the target application/window to get focus back or to open and get focus (i.e. wait active Sorting Office*). -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 15:05, Nick Andriash wrote: Whoops! Spoke too soon. Started TB up this morning, and there they were again: Old messages that had been deleted long ago, still there in the VF's. A refresh seems to take care of the problem for the moment, but alas those pesky messages return. Besides Alexander's comment on watching the Trash folder, have you compressed your folders? Are the messages still visible in your VFs after compressing? What if you turn Store state between sessions off? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hello MaXxX, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 04:39:08, you wrote: M That is the risk of Betas that insist on acting like Releases. Sorry, MaXxX, but I fail to see the reason of a Beta that does not function like the release product. M Let me say it once more, for good measure, so that anybody concerned M hears... M BETA VERSIONS SHOULD NOT EVEN TRY TO INSTALL AS 'NORMAL' PROGRAMS. M THEY SHOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PROGRAM ID AND INSTALL SEPARATELY, NOT M EVEN TOUCHING THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION. Please allow me to offer my version (it is, of course, still beta): ## BETA VERSIONS *ARE* DANGEROUS. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES, IMPLICIT OR EXPLICIT, THAT YOUR MAIL BASE WILL SURVIVE. TAKE ALL NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS TO SAFEGUARD YOUR DATA. USE AT YOUR OWNRISK ## This is part of the game. The function of a Beta is to be used, AS IF IT WERE THE REAL THING, by a sample population. -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgpaBsmQmwwEZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating
Hæ! Thursday, October 28, 2004, 13:55, Peter Fjelsten wrote: In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update read/unread status for VFs. They have been set as Auto Update - but they still show as bolded after the messages they contain have been read in their original/real folders. On Esc all is OK. Confirmed. E. g.: I have a VF which watches flagged messages. When I unflag a message in the VF, the message is unflagged in the specific folder, but the VF does not remove it from its list. Only a manual refresh works. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush Professional PopFile v0.22.0 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) +---+ | Get Firefox - Take back the web! | | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=22411amp;t=1 | +---+ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Cannot close The Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mike, On 27 October 2004 at 18:11:43GMT -0400 (which was 23:11 where I live) Mike Pesce wrote and made these points on the subject of Cannot close The Bat!: MP No problems exiting so far here, running XP Pro. Mine doesn't close. It does everything as if it were going to close, like compressing folders, but then stops. I have to use Task Manager to end the process. Running Windows XP Home Edition. - -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: The BAT! 3.0.2.2 Rush -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQYEBElPsaxtteqJVEQJFPgCg1C9gTPumTNaGst+83OGQcf32MT0AoJOq YQzAx41au8aYNFVpPUCdZCmi =aZUy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 4:21:20 PM, Hggdh jumped on the stage, took a mike and sang: Please allow me to offer my version (it is, of course, still beta): ## BETA VERSIONS *ARE* DANGEROUS. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES, IMPLICIT OR EXPLICIT, THAT YOUR MAIL BASE WILL SURVIVE. TAKE ALL NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS TO SAFEGUARD YOUR DATA. USE AT YOUR OWNRISK ## This is part of the game. The function of a Beta is to be used, AS IF IT WERE THE REAL THING, by a sample population. Sure, sure. As long as I can _ALSO_ be using a real version. The Bat is largely inconsistent in this manner - the executables can be run with specific /REG parameters, but the MSI installer installs where it does usually, without the option to install as a separate setup. Unless, of course, the developers wish the users to use other mail agents for their critical use, and TB only for testing it. But that makes little sense, does it? -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hello MaXxX, Sure, sure. As long as I can _ALSO_ be using a real version. The Bat is largely inconsistent in this manner - the executables can be run with specific /REG parameters, but the MSI installer installs where it does usually, without the option to install as a separate setup. See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on this same thread. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hello hggdh, USE AT YOUR OWNRISK ## This is part of the game. The function of a Beta is to be used, AS IF IT WERE THE REAL THING, by a sample population. Agree 100%!!! Nobody is forced to use a Beta and _any_ beta tester should know he's taking a risk. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 3:54:10 PM, MAU sculpted a piece of raw silicon into the thoughts below: Same here except for a slight difference. I usually keep several versions of TB executable in the same installation directory (sharing it as well as message base, etc.) with slightly different names and with shortcuts to each on my desktop. Oh dear, do we have to get through this again? It's been done already... I have a message base of, say, crucial importance. Backed up, of course, but still needed for everyday work. If I keep running a Release version, I'm happy and it works nicely. If I run a Beta EXE, I have to shut my Release version down, and back up my mail base. Fine, fine, but what if I want to just continue working, instead of JUST testing? The solution is very, very simple, and that is why I don't understand why it's not done yet. Changing the IDs by which TB! chooses its registry keys AND determines that it is running AND where/how it installs would solve all problems. I could install a The Bat! Beta to a different directory, with a different registry key, with a different mail base, running simultaneously with my The Bat! release installation, one never interfering with the other. This way, I can easily start the version I want/need at a certain moment. Well, you may be happy with completely separate testing and working time slices. I am not. I need to have a reliable e-mail client running 24/7. I'm not willing to shut it down just to test a new version that could well blow my message base to pieces and force me to restore from a backup. And backups don't solve ALL problems! What if I receive a very important message when running a badly broken beta? I don't have a backup of THAT message, right? And KABOOM goes the message base. Oops. Message gone. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random church bulletin blooper: For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Ctrl-/ is not working
Hi All, Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\ behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Hello 9Val, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:44:59 AM, you wrote: 9 I've returned :) 9 The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available from 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ 9 Here is a short list of changes: snip The DBCS support of this build is completely awful. It's bad news for Asian users. -- Best regards, drifthatmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translator of Chinese The Bat! Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush Windows 2000 Advanced Server (v5.0.2195, Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Allie, A reminder of what Allie Martin typed on: 28 October 2004 at 13:14:10 GMT +0200 AM I agree with that experiment. Well so far everything is fine, but it's only been running an hour or so. I've opened and closed it quite a few times, before and after sending and receiving with no trouble. Only difference so far is it doesn't open quite so fast but I put that down to the fact the 1.7 Centrino maybe faster than a 2.4 Pentium 4. Not sure of the exact speed comparisons but I was told doubling the speed of a centrino chip gives the approximate P4 comparison speed? Either way, two totally different PC's and 3022 runs just as well on both... Touch wood so far anyway :) My wife uses a 1.8 Athlon so I may try it on there when I get time. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 28/10/2004 at 12:20 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Weird LCD monitor bug
Hi All, Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If I start clicking to the, lets say, English area of it, then the text on the block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set will be getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those setting by clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/attachment: normal.pngattachment: weird.png Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP got worse, not better
On Thursday, October 28, 2004 @ 3:11:13 AM [-0700], Allie Martin wrote: This beta works very well for me here. v3.0.2.1 was not good. I would get a lot of AV's, at times cascading into oblivion and forcing a kill from the taskmanager. I haven't seen an AV yet which is an improvement. I used to have hangs with folder syncs, but I'm no longer seeing that. So while I've improved, you've gone downhill. It's kind of funny how this works. New betas will bring a cornucopia of good and bad news. To some, it solves their issues. To others, makes them even worse. In relation to IMAP, 3.0.2.1 has been the best version (for me) yet. Allie, how is your IMAP new mail notification sound working? I noticed it would trigger three times on a new mail here... -- Matt Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 09:15 AM, MAU wrote: If you use keyboard stroke macros the problems may come from different processor speeds. Last August I upgraded to a much faster PC and found that some of my macros would not always (or never) work. I traced this to the fact that they were executing too fast (i.e. before some menus, windows or dialogs would actually pop up) and had to adjust PowerPro's typing speed. In same cases I even had to include a /wait/ command so that macro execution would actually wait for the target application/window to get focus back or to open and get focus (i.e. wait active Sorting Office*). It would seem that this is the case for me, though the machine with the problem is the slower of the two. One has a 3GHz P4 processor, while the other has a 2.2Ghz Celeron. The slower machine seems to be executing too quickly, so I put in a wait command and that hasn't helped. shrug I've just about given up getting that macro to work. It involves bringing windows in and out of focus as well as copying and pasting window contents. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you got Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Peter, On 28-10-2004 17:22, you [PG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PG Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer PG with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. I also get this sometimes in the Log panel - and I am on a 22'' CRT running 2048*1536, large fonts on a Matrox G550. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.1.33 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello MaXxX, snipped quite a bit Well, you may be happy with completely separate testing and working time slices. I am not. I need to have a reliable e-mail client running 24/7. I'm not willing to shut it down just to test a new version that could well blow my message base to pieces and force me to restore from a backup. And backups don't solve ALL problems! What if I receive a very important message when running a badly broken beta? I don't have a backup of THAT message, right? And KABOOM goes the message base. Oops. Message gone. Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
-Original Message- From: Tim Casten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 27, 2004 7:16 PM To: tbbeta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3022 is awfull Hello tbbeta, This is the worst I have seen. I have spent the past 5 hours restoring going back in builds etc etc. I completely unistalled the Bat went back to 3.0 did a restore, then upgraded to this build and had the strangest occurance I have ever seen. A completely blank screen, nothing there except the Bat was downlading mail as the mail ticker was working and showing new mail downloaded, but I had no folders, nothing. This happened two or three times and I went back to build 10 before rc1 and all was seemed to be fine except all of my folders were gone. I then did a restore at that point and my message base and folders came back only to disappear the next time I restarted the Bat. I then had to do a restore again, and then upgraded to this newest beta again and it is the sluggish thing I have ever seen, its running terrible and don't even think about shutting the program down. Looks like your computer is really messed up. Sorry to hear it. -- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP got worse, not better
Hi Matt You wrote: It's kind of funny how this works. New betas will bring a cornucopia of good and bad news. To some, it solves their issues. To others, makes them even worse. In relation to IMAP, 3.0.2.1 has been the best version (for me) yet. Allie, how is your IMAP new mail notification sound working? I noticed it would trigger three times on a new mail here... It works here, but note that the sound works once there's detection of new mail in an IMAP mail folder. This is necessary because if you're filtering server side, sound notification only for Inbox mail would be inadequate. Most of my mail is filtered server side. As a result, for local filtering, the sound will be triggered when mail reaches the Inbox and sound notification will be triggered again for the destination folders. What I've done is to disable sound notification for those folders that I filter messages to locally. For other folders, I leave the notifications on. -- Allie Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hello Peter Gannushkin everyone else 28-Okt-2004 17:22, you wrote: Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If I start clicking to the, lets say, English area of it, then the text on the block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set will be getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those setting by clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal. Have you tried disabling ClearType? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 A believer, a mind whose faith is consciousness, is never disturbed because other persons do not yet see the fact which he sees. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hi Alexander, Look at those screenshots. Have you tried disabling ClearType? I did not, but as it happens only with TB! and only with this particular parts of the status messages, I would consider that it is TB's problem. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hello Peter Gannushkin everyone else 28-Okt-2004 18:27, you wrote: Have you tried disabling ClearType? I did not, but as it happens only with TB! and only with this particular parts of the status messages, I would consider that it is TB's problem. Yes, but maybe its ClearType related nevertheless... (I just think it could be helpful to the programmers if ClearTypes unveils a program with a non-system conformal way of window redrawing, or whatever...) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 I am sorry to say there is too much point to the wisecrack that life is extinct on other planets because their scientists were more advanced than ours. -- John F. Kennedy Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Tony! On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:30 AM, you wrote: AM I agree with that experiment. TB Well so far everything is fine, but it's only been running an hour TB or so. I've opened and closed it quite a few times, before and TB after sending and receiving with no trouble. Since I began to keep a log of my closings and openings of TB!, yesterday at 4:30 p.m. yesterday, I have been unable to reproduce the hanging-on-exit behavior. I did 5 consecutive closes and re-launches between 4:30 p.m. and 4:44 p.m., each of them with 30 seconds of Fetching mail, and one within 10 seconds of Sending mail. I then ran TB! until 9:00 p.m., at which time I closed it--it closed in a flash--and shut the computer down. I launched TB! at 6:30 a.m., this morning, Thursday, October 28, and have run it continuously since, until 11:15 a.m. At that point I checked mail and immediately shut TB! down. It closed in a flash. I cannot reproduce the hang-ups which occurred to me when I first installed and began to use this beta. TB Only difference so far is it doesn't open quite so fast but I put that down TB to the fact the 1.7 Centrino maybe faster than a 2.4 Pentium 4. Not sure of TB the exact speed comparisons but I was told doubling the speed of a centrino TB chip gives the approximate P4 comparison speed? My processor is Pentium 4. TB Either way, two totally different PC's and 3022 runs just as well on TB both... Touch wood so far anyway :) Touch wood for me, too, for now. Tony, do you think this behavior could be ISP related? I had a lot of trouble with my ISP on Tuesday. TB! (v. 3.0.2.1) would tell me in the Connection Centre the number of messages, and then hang without displaying the Message Dispatcher. I had to close with Windows Task Manager to get out of the freeze. This went on intermittently for over 2 hours (I was going to comcast.net's web-mail page to clear out the messages during this time), and suddenly the bad behavior stopped and has not recurred since. I reported the behavior on tbudl and got one confirmation of a similar behavior involving the German ISP gmx. TB My wife uses a 1.8 Athlon so I may try it on there when I get time. Do, but from all the information we've gathered so far, I'm beginning to suspect some effect of ISP's on the Connection Centre. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hi Alexander, Have you tried disabling ClearType? I did not, but as it happens only with TB! and only with this particular parts of the status messages, I would consider that it is TB's problem. Yes, but maybe its ClearType related nevertheless... It is obviously ClearType related. TB! redraws the status bar somehow weird which makes the ClearType adjust more and more of a shadow. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hello Peter Gannushkin everyone else 28-Okt-2004 18:53, you wrote: It is obviously ClearType related. TB! redraws the status bar somehow weird which makes the ClearType adjust more and more of a shadow. I just turned on ClearType (could've done that earlier, yes...), and yes, I can confirm the bug. Checked further - it was already there in v3.01.33 :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hello, Peter. You wrote 29.10.2004 @ 1:53 PG It is obviously ClearType related. TB! redraws the status bar somehow PG weird which makes the ClearType adjust more and more of a shadow. It is an issue of used output method of GDI context device. There are two methods exists: Opaque, when the background is filled with the current background color before the text, and transparent, when the background remains untouched. It seems, that transparent method is used, and it always leads to these collisions in the case of ClearType, because new colors for the pixels are calculated on the base of existing background, and the color of the text, but since in ClearType mode the color of the text is not fixed and may be quite transparent on some places, multiply applying of this method to the one area causes the text be drawn bolder and bolder from time to time. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0.1.33 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.7.5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I just turned on ClearType (could've done that earlier, yes...), and yes, I can confirm the bug. Checked further - it was already there in v3.01.33 Confirmed here as well. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Alzheimers advantage: New friends every day. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 5:38:53 PM, the world was changed forever by what MAU wrote: me to restore from a backup. And backups don't solve ALL problems! What if I receive a very important message when running a badly broken beta? I don't have a backup of THAT message, right? And KABOOM goes the message base. Oops. Message gone. Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :) Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does it. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random Broken English: Not to be used for the other use (on a Japanese food processor). Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello MaXxX everyone else 28-Okt-2004 19:33, you wrote: Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :) Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does it. But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program, aye? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Farrell's Law: The most expensive component is the one that breaks. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:37:51 PM, the world was changed forever by what Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does it. But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program, aye? Hey, please. Are we talking about my participation, or about the ease of it? Can we please stick to it? My point: betatesting of The Bat! is unnecessarily tedious, and could easily be made more friendly. Your counterpoint: don't like it - get out. Super. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Japanese T-shirt collection: FUTURE F.A.G. (on a little boy, about 8) Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hello Allie, The slower machine seems to be executing too quickly, Have you tried tweaking the the typing speed? In case you don't know, which I doubt, look in Configuration/Setup/Advanced Setup/Limits for Delay in milliseconds for first and subsequent sent keys from *Keys -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Ctrl-/ is not working
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 09:58 AM, Peter Gannushkin wrote: Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\ behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon. I use CTRL-] to move from new message to new message and it still works here. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Apathy Error: Don't bother striking any key. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program, aye? Why not stop this? MaXXX wants to beta test. He just wishes to beta test without having to use his working installation as the beta test bed. He's looking for and asking for an easy way to run another installation in parallel to the one he relies on for day to day work. Prior to MSI installations, it was OK, but there are little glitches now that he mentioned. I don't find his concerns unreasonable. Clearly Ritlabs did too and offered something before. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Don't believe everything you hear or anything you say. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello MaXxX, on 28.10.2004 at 19:38 you wrote: On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:37:51 PM, the world was changed forever by what Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does it. But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program, aye? Hey, please. Are we talking about my participation, or about the ease of it? Can we please stick to it? Anyone heard of something called Dead Horse...? ;) -- Best regards, Manuel The Bat! 3.0.2.1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 7:45:48 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote the following words: Anyone heard of something called Dead Horse...? ;) A very nice thing to pronounce on a thread that has been getting derailed only lately. I'm asking for a way to make betatesting easier, as it was for the short time between introducing the /REG parameter and turning to MSI installations. People start suggesting that perhaps I shouldn't test, as if I hadn't been doing it for the last several years quite well. The suggestion of a dead horse, perhaps, is accepted. So, I get unnecessarily attacked, and my question is not answered, as the thread is closed. I don't like this scenario one bit. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Ctrl-/ is not working
Hi Allie, Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\ behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon. I use CTRL-] to move from new message to new message and it still works here. I forgot to add that these were the editor shortcuts. Ctrl-/ used to capitalize the word. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello MaXxX! On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:55 PM, you wrote: M I don't like this scenario one bit. MaXxX, I don't like it either, as your contributions are very, very valuable. With Allie, I say that you make perfect sense. All that needs dead-horsing is the series of attacks suggesting that your request is unreasonable and suggesting for you to like it or leave it in regard to the present beta-testing set-up. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat (Professional Edition) 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Allie Martin everyone else 28-Okt-2004 19:40, you wrote: He's looking for and asking for an easy way to run another installation in parallel to the one he relies on for day to day work. It depends on the definition of beta, and how to use it (as it was already stated here). I remember the days when I tested different email programs. Setting the one I tested to leave mails on the server while at the same time carefully watching to not accidentally use the productive other program (that is set to delete mails from the server), and whatnot... personally, I find a parallel installation is just not usable for anything else but some testing. I for one wouldn't find the time to test in a real environment, if I weren't using my normal everyday installation. Thus, I create backups I revert to the previous version by exchanging the executable again easily. No harm done. And yes, I've had damaged message bases during the v3.01 beta cycle (but I never knew if it was the beta or something else that wrecked havoc), but it doesn't worry me because I'm using TB only for my private mails. Personally, I wouldn't use beta versions in a productive environment (I had that once with the XPSP2 RC's, and I'm cured, really). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: Obscured by Klaus I. by Pete Namlook, Klaus Schulze Bill Laswell from the 1998 album 'The Dark Side of the Moog VII' Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: MailTicker and filtered messages
Hi Martin, on Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:55:11 +0200GMT, you wrote: MS Seems new problem in 3.0.2.2: MS I have set several filters to move message to folders when they MS arrive. For these folder I have disabled the MailTicker on new MS messages - but not for the Inbox. MS Now: The message arrives at first in Inbox, the filer moves it to MS the folder - but the MailTicker shows new messages - because the MS mail was first in Inbox. MS It's not what I want. It is probably related to the automatic refresh of Virtual Folders, that doesn't work in this version. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Alexander! On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 8:08:53 PM you wrote: It depends on the definition of beta, and how to use it (as it was already stated here). Couldn't we just agree on everybody using beta as he likes? Corollary: ... at his own risk. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Neither the number of base pairs nor the number of genes in an organism's genome bears much if any relation to that organism's size or complexity. (Matt Ridley) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Question about Virtual Folders
Hello Nick, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 9:12:46 AM, you wrote: Have you tried compressing the original folders to clear out the remains of the original messages? NA All my Folders are set to compress automatically each time TB closes. Have you tried going through folder maintenance. Maybbe there are errors in the bases. BTW I noticed you have no references in your reply. Is this by design. It did not thread on my end. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Allie, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:40:49, you wrote: AM On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Alexander S. AM Kunz wrote: But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program, aye? AM Why not stop this? MaXXX wants to beta test. He just wishes to beta AM test without having to use his working installation as the beta test AM bed. AM He's looking for and asking for an easy way to run another AM installation in parallel to the one he relies on for day to day work. AM Prior to MSI installations, it was OK, but there are little glitches AM now that he mentioned. I don't find his concerns unreasonable. Clearly AM Ritlabs did too and offered something before. My own twopence: Yes, moving on to MSIs hase made testing betas much more difficult. And, yes, RL should help on this. And, YES, MaXxX is within reason with his request. And, now that I understand MaXxX's problem better, I do agree that RL should provide something that will allow two instances of TB! to be used. With due care -- for example, by setting the second (beta) one *not* to delete POP3 messages from teh server, one would be able even to concurrently run the production and the beta without impact. Of course, this still requires one to duplicate the message base, but this (I think) is a small problem. And, again I stress, it is up to RL to state HOW to do this. I am still right on what I said earlier, but I now think I was too limited in my view. -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgpxBAICmGUFp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello George, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 12:45:28, you wrote: GMM Thursday, October 28, 2004, 8:42:35 PM, George M. Menegakis wrote: beta test must take the decision and the implicit risk. GMM s/test/tester ahhh, an UNIX user... Good. I was thinking I was alone here :-) s/test/tester/ -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgpHz3hRjYypf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature wish- allow user to permanently permit session with incomplete SSL/TLS server certs
Hello Army, Tuesday, October 26, 2004, 21:58:41, you wrote: AR Hello hggdh, AR Sunday, October 24, 2004, 5:46:31 PM, you wrote: (HUGE snip) I did not forget you... I just need time to read it all answer ;-) -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgpJjd8rxhMAz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros
* MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you use keyboard stroke macros the problems may come from different processor speeds. [...]In same cases I even had to include a /wait/ command [...] PowerPro » Configuration » [Tab Setup] » Advanced setup... » [Tab Other] » [ ] Use fast send keys HTH. -- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Threading and Sorting Problem
Hello tbbeta, I normally read my tbbeta using Thread by Reference and sort by Created in Reverse order. I just noticed that my sorting seemed a bit odd so I just checked. Even though the little arrow in the header bar was pointing up in the Created column when I checked in Manage Viewmodes it showed Sort by Subject. Changing this to Sort by Created seems to have fixed things, but it seems an odd way for things to work. Any one else see something different depicted in the two areas. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Ctrl-/ is not working
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 09:58 AM, Peter Gannushkin wrote: Apparently Stefan as promised changed the Ctrl-[, Ctrl-] and Ctrl-\ behaviors, but at the same time Ctrl-/ was just dropped out. It does nothing now. Hope it will be restored soon. I use CTRL-] routinely to move from new message to new message here. It's still working as it should. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Petroleum and coffee had no value a few centuries ago. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading and Sorting Problem
Hello Stuart! On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 1:43 PM, you wrote: SC I normally read my tbbeta using Thread by Reference and sort by SC Created in Reverse order. I just noticed that my sorting seemed a SC bit odd so I just checked. Even though the little arrow in the SC header bar was pointing up in the Created column when I checked in SC Manage Viewmodes it showed Sort by Subject. Changing this to Sort by SC Created seems to have fixed things, but it seems an odd way for SC things to work. Any one else see something different depicted in SC the two areas. Yes. Options/Preferences/Messages/View Modes had different settings from both my column names and my View drop-down menu, when I first found out the Preferences setting fields were there. (That's where the Manage View Modes option in the right-click context menu takes you to, at least, here, it is.) This was back when I had the puzzling non-stick behavior in the drop-down menu on my mind. I filled in the fields in Preferences to correspond with my preferred viewing style, Sort by Received time in descending order, View Threads by None. Now everything matches and the match between column names and the Preferences fields has been stable. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Running multiple instances of TB (was 3022 is awfull)
Hello hggdh, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 1:29:38 PM, you wrote: h My own twopence: Yes, moving on to MSIs hase made testing betas much h more difficult. And, yes, RL should help on this. And, YES, MaXxX is h within reason with his request. h And, now that I understand MaXxX's problem better, I do agree that RL h should provide something that will allow two instances of TB! to be h used. With due care -- for example, by setting the second (beta) one h *not* to delete POP3 messages from teh server, one would be able even h to concurrently run the production and the beta without impact. Of h course, this still requires one to duplicate the message base, but h this (I think) is a small problem. h And, again I stress, it is up to RL to state HOW to do this. I have not tried this recently with TB (I use a separate machine for my testing these days), but here is something that has worked in the past for some programs. I will assume that the initial install is in C:/pgm-files/TheBat and the data is in C:/docs/TheBat. Rename those two directories to something like OldBat then install the new Beta version. Assume it is set up to use the same two directories, C:/pgm-files/TheBat and C:/docs/TheBat. Fine. Now all you need are two batch files. These will remane the associated directories. So Use-Old.bat will rename C:/pgm-files/TheBat to C:/pgm-files/BetaBat and C:/docs/TheBat to C:/docs/BetaBat then rename C:/pgm-files/OldBat to C:/pgm-files/TheBat and C:/docs/OldBat back to C:/docs/TheBat. And Use-Beta.bat will rename C:/pgm-files/TheBat to C:/pgm-files/OldBat and C:/docs/TheBat to C:/docs/OldBat then rename C:/pgm-files/BetaBat to C:/pgm-files/TheBat and C:/docs/BetaBat back to C:/docs/TheBat. To be safe, I would put tests that would make sure that the directories were in the appropriate configuration for the requested change or display a message. You could not run both at the same time this way (dangerous in any event) but gives you an easy way to switch between the two that should not have problems ... unless there are incompatible registry entries. In which case you could set about to fix those, but that is more difficult and risky. I have found the separate install on a test machine to be much safer. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull typed on: 28 October 2004 at 18:38:35 GMT +0200 MB Tony, do you think this behavior could be ISP related? I had a lot of MB trouble with my ISP on Tuesday. Don't really know Mary, I collect mail from two providers, NTL who I get Broad Band access from `and 11 who host my domain name, I have a email account with both and I'm having no problems with either. TB seems to run faster on this Laptop than it does the desktop but that's a processor issue, not a Bat issue. 3022 runs perfectly fine on both of them. I was going to try it on my Wifes Celeron but I bought Adobe Premiere Elements today to go with my Digital Video camera so I've been playing with that instead. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it, it seems to have affected all types of machine, processor type and OS so I don't know what to try next. All the PC's here came with XP installed so I have no other OS to try it on... Trying it on the SuSE box wouldn't be a fair comparison I don't think. Like someone suggested earlier, it may be a conflict with another application, one that you and I don't use. Don't fancy listing every bit of software on this PC to test the theory though :) Either way, I don't think people should get moody or fall out over it, that won't solve anything. I've been away all summer and I've come back to Crash, Bang, Wallop, think I'll go back to TBOT, they're more friendly on there! Just a JOKE, I don't mean it :) -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 28/10/2004 at 21:27 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros
Hello Thomas, PowerPro » Configuration » [Tab Setup] » Advanced setup... » [Tab Other] » [ ] Use fast send keys I have that option selected. Probably it was set by default but I don't remember. Anyway, my last tweak of PWP was as described in my message to Allie mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Mary, I meant to comment on this point before but went to get a cuppa and forgot. A reminder of what Mary Bull typed on: 28 October 2004 at 18:38:35 GMT +0200 MB Do, but from all the information we've gathered so far, I'm beginning MB to suspect some effect of ISP's on the Connection Centre. One of my ISP's use authentication for both send and receive, the other doesn't, just receive. So wether that's a valid point or not I wouldn't know. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 28/10/2004 at 21:46 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Problems with PowerPro macros (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hello Allie, Hmmm. You're into PowerPro, aren't you? ;) Not really. When I get a new program I usually try to see what it can do and what options it has but PowerPro has so many! I learnt enough to write a few keyboard macros and add some buttons and menus to TB and then forgot all about it. I'll have a look at that and contact you off-list in case of problems. You seem like a good fella to get some assistance with on this one. Hope you don't mind. ;) No, I don't mind if you don't mind paying for a beer each time ;-) Anyway, believe what I say above. There are thousands of things and options about PowerPro that I have never tried. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hello Alexander, Have you tried disabling ClearType? What is ClearType, something specific to XP? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading and Sorting Problem
Hello Stuart, I normally read my tbbeta using Thread by Reference and sort by Created in Reverse order. I just noticed that my sorting seemed a bit odd so I just checked. Even though the little arrow in the header bar was pointing up in the Created column when I checked in Manage Viewmodes it showed Sort by Subject. Changing this to Sort by Created seems to have fixed things, but it seems an odd way for things to work. Any one else see something different depicted in the two areas. I also use Threading by Reference and sorting by Created, but I have not seen the problem you describe. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hi MAU, Have you tried disabling ClearType? What is ClearType, something specific to XP? Something specific to LCD monitors. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3022 is awfull
Hello Allie, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:07:45 AM, you wrote: You're using the backup utility to create backups that you restore from? This was a backup that I had about 2 weeks ago. I've never done a complete uninstall of TB! since using it in 1999. I've usually just switched executables. If I have a problem with the new one, I replace it with the one I was using before. The beta download consists of just the program executable. I rename the one I was using and then place the beta in the installation directory. I then try it. If I'm not happy, I just delete it and rename the old executable back to the right name. I do the same, however this time when I went back to beta 19 everything went hawwire. -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3022 is awfull
Hello Alexander, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 1:37:51 PM, you wrote: But it does - no one forces you to participate in the beta test program, aye? You are absolutely right they don't unless the company releases a beta product as an official release, as we have recently experienced. -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Hello all, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 9Val wrote: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: and [+] Confirmation dialog for opening/replying more than 10 messages :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello MaXxX, Then, don't volunteer to beta test. Period. :) Pff. Great suggestion, sir. However it doesn't solve the problem, does it. Maxxx, I understand what you want. But I think that if you want to beta test you _have_ to take some risk and use the software in a real working environment. I know _I_ am taking a risk by doing what I describe in my reply to Allie mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], but how else can I test TB with all the accounts, filters, templates, QTs, etc., that I normally use for my work? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
Hello Stuart, BTW I noticed you have no references in your reply. Is this by design. It did not thread on my end. Look at his message headers: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Beta testing (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hallo MaXxX, On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:55:34 +0200GMT (28-10-2004, 19:55 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M I'm asking for a way to make betatesting easier, as it was for the M short time between introducing the /REG parameter and turning to MSI M installations. Well, you could always configure another user account in Windows 2000 and do a second install. I realize that that might not be the optimal solution for you, but IMO beta testing should be done with a working configuration as beta testing should be testing whether the thing works in everyday use. Since everybody need to make his own decisions about running his/her system, you and I are entitled to different opinions on how to run tests. Never mind the cookie though. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Before we go any further, do you love me? The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp91U8HbocCJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Has Recipient definition changed in v3.0.2.2?
Hello all, I have a number of filters that check on Recipient contains... conditions. These filters have been working for ages with OFS and as automatically converted to NFS a couple of months ago, with no problem until this beta. Today I have noticed some messages were not sorted to proper folder and remained in Inbox. I have traced the problem to the (apparent) fact that they fail if the e-mail address is on the CC: field and work fine if in the To: field. While, as I have said above, these used to work whether the email address was in the To or CC fields. Like I say, I always understood Recipient to mean To or CC fields and it has been working like this for years. Are the failures I've seen today due to a bug or is it that the 'definition' of Recipient has been changed and it now means _only_ To:? I certainly hope it is a bug. I know I can change my filters to use Header Field To: OR Header Field CC:, but that is not the point. I think that changing now what Recipient has always meant in the OFS and in all betas and 2 release versions with NFS would be a mistake and an unnecessary change. 9Val? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
CC tends to get stuck while using both IMAP and POP3
Hallo tbbeta, I've been trying IMAP for a while and I was not very enthusiastic about the behaviour of the CC. Mind that I was using both POP3 and IMAP to the same server over my LAN. I could check mail for both accounts without any troubles, exit afterwards without getting stuck as long as I set the CC 'show automatically', when I told it to hide my TB wouldn't exit properly. Didn't try 'show always' now that I think of it. I've configured my system to go blank after 30 minutes, when I access it after that time I have to choose what account I want to use. After going blank, the CC would stop collecting messages on pop3, that could be without any message being collected (the CC would show only the IMAP account being online) or while it was collecting POP3 messages. As I was merely receiving duplicates in my IMAP account, I tried not to activate the IMAP connection (I had it set to connect when selecting the account), but even then my CC got stuck during POP3 handling. These events were reproducible with 3.0.1.33, 3.0.2.1 and 3.0.2.2 However, after deleting my IMAP account, I don't have any problems any more. Kept TB running overnight, mail collection went fine, closing TB went fine (I was running the infamous 3.0.2.2) Don't know whether it is the combination of a POP3 and IMAP accounts, both were using SMTP with authentication. And even when the POP3 collection got stuck, my POP3 account could send perfectly. I'm using BayesFilter 1.5.6 and AVG 7.0 plug-in, as I'm keeping my AVG up to date, I guess I've got the latest plug-in. ;-) Any confirmations, comments? -- Groetjes, Roelof I love my country; it's my government that scares me. The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp9fZzS59dsE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hallo Tim, On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:16:27 -0400GMT (28-10-2004, 4:16 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TC This is the worst I have seen. Can't confirm. I absolutely love it. Starts fast, exits as a breeze. I don't use any VF's though and I read that they're not functioning optimally. -- Groetjes, Roelof If worst comes to worst, you *CAN* turn most things off. The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpf1MpfABw4M.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hello Peter, Have you tried disabling ClearType? What is ClearType, something specific to XP? Something specific to LCD monitors. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx Yes, I understood it has to do with LCD monitors. But I have an LCD monitor and had never heard about it, therefore my question. And, as I can see in the link you provided, it is only available on XP. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hallo Peter, On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:22:05 -0400GMT (28-10-2004, 17:22 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PG Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer PG with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If PG I start clicking to the, lets say, English area of it, then the text PG on the block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set PG will be getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those PG setting by clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal. Can't confirm. -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed our young they will inherit our national debt. The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpvhKV2lhdPI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 3.0.2.2 (Rush): Virtual folders not updating
Hello Peter, In this and in at least one previous version, TB! does not update read/unread status for VFs. They have been set as Auto Update - but they still show as bolded after the messages they contain have been read in their original/real folders. On Esc all is OK. Confirmed here. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
Hallo Roelof, On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:02:22 +0200GMT (29-10-2004, 0:02 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PG Look at those screenshots. When the email is created on the computer PG with the LCD monitor TB! starts to screw up part of the status bar. If PG I start clicking to the, lets say, English area of it, then the text PG on the block type, cursor mode, account name and the character set PG will be getting more and more weird. However if I change any of those PG setting by clicking on them then the bar will switch back to normal. RO Can't confirm. Enabled ClearType, definitely don't like it, but can confirm the bug. -- Groetjes, Roelof How wise are they that are but fools in love! Cooke The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpyUj73jjTf5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Weird LCD monitor bug
On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 04:03 PM, Peter Gannushkin wrote: Something specific to LCD monitors. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx Though designed for LCD monitors, it makes a great difference on CRT monitors. I couldn't do without it while using my last CRT monitor. It made the fonts so much richer in appearance. The difference was just as striking as with an LCD display. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... MACINTOSH - Most Apps Crash, If Not, Then Operating System Hangs Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
