3.5 and IMAP

[Matt Thoene]

Not sure what happened but over the last couple of days, IMAP with 3.5
has taken a horrible turn for the worse. Same old problems are
occurring...

Long long waits for messages to be visible (No message loaded seems to
be all I see anymore), usually ending with me having to terminate then
restart the IMAP session...which doesn't always fix it. Connection
Centre always shows the various parts of the session are "In queue".

Filters working sporadically. I often have to re-filter several times to
get all of the messages from the Inbox to their correct folders.

I'm having to Reload several messages in the Inbox on a regular basis.

It's unusable at this point. I guess I'll revert to an older version.

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OT: Lookups for special mids (Was: Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested)

[Boris Anders]

Hello Gary,

Gary wrote (in ):

>> So TB! needs to be able to do lookups on those types of message ids.

> yes if it needs to thread on mids or the mid variable is in the reply
> template, as Boris has his setup.

Hm threading is fine here, however it doesn't the message if the mid
contains [192.1688.0.5] - as these mid's are legal it's a bug of TheBat!


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Re: Solved : Icon transparency problem

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Julien,

Monday, May 23, 2005, 2:14:37 PM, you wrote:
J> It may be older, since I discovered the 'daily' only today, but
J> still worth signalling



I just mentioned earlier on the TBBETA that we should not be posting
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past confused people.

Dailys are technically limited to address certain people who are
experiencing a problem in order to test a possible fix. By fixing
something in a daily, they could very well break something else and
therefore should be used with caution.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Gary]

Hi Allie,

--On Monday, May 23, 2005 4:18 PM -0500 you wrote in part:


Yes, it is very legal..


So TB! needs to be able to do lookups on those types of message ids.


yes if it needs to thread on mids or the mid variable is in the reply 
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Re: OT: Message ID (Was: Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested)

[Allie Martin]

Hi Boris,
   On 23/5/2005 11:13 PM +0200, you wrote:

> Very? Hm, with this IP the right part isn't unique (funny: you use the
> same IP than I do :-), 

TB! uses the domain name of the sender address. What if it's
'yahoo.com' or 'gmx.net'? These aren't at all unique either. :)

> but when you use an unique left part (which you probably do) it surly
> is legal.

I guess the hope is that this left hand side will offer the main
component that is likely to confer uniqueness to the id.
 
> I just add the sentence of the IP because I din't see that yet. But
> as we all agree that it is (very) legal, I suggest we stop topic here
> :-).

Yup. Nice to wrap that one up quickly. :)

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Allie Martin]

Hi Gary,
   On 23/5/2005 4:04 PM -0500, you wrote:

>> Just curious. Can the RFC gurus tell me if that message id format is
>> legal?
> 
> Yes, it is very legal..

So TB! needs to be able to do lookups on those types of message ids. 

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Gary]

Hi Allie,

--On Monday, May 23, 2005 4:04 PM -0500 you wrote in part:


Tony Boom wrote (in ):


Just curious. Can the RFC gurus tell me if that message id format is
legal?


Yes, it is very legal..


Forgot to mention the source...

RFC 2822 - Internet Message Format

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OT: Message ID (Was: Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested)

[Boris Anders]

Hello Gary,

Gary wrote (in ):

>> Just curious. Can the RFC gurus tell me if that message id format is
>> legal?

> Yes, it is very legal..

Very? Hm, with this IP the right part isn't unique (funny: you use the
same IP than I do :-), but when you use an unique left part (which you
probably do) it surly is legal.

I just add the sentence of the IP because I din't see that yet. But as
we all agree that it is (very) legal, I suggest we stop topic here :-).

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Gary.

--On 23 May 2005 15:39 -0500 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> IIRC, without looking it up, there is absolutely no spec for a message ID
> at all. You can use whatever you wish, as long as it is unique for each
> email. If he wanted to put @chicken-soup it is permissible. :) In fact,
> many people modify this on purpose, on many groups,to ward off some
> spammer software which harvest and key in on the message ID.  Some email
> clients, e.g. Pine, even will have a option to encrypt the domain in the
> message ID, before sending it.

WOW! 

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Allie.

--On 23 May 2005 15:55 -0500 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> Ok. Anyone saying yes or no on this paragraph. Thanks for the input
> Gary.

I'm all for it, I was well impressed.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Gary]

Hi Allie,

--On Monday, May 23, 2005 3:52 PM -0500 you wrote in part:


Just curious. Can the RFC gurus tell me if that message id format is
legal?


Yes, it is very legal..

The "Message-ID:" field provides a unique message identifier that
  refers to a particular version of a particular message.  The
  uniqueness of the message identifier is guaranteed by the host that
  generates it (see below).  This message identifier is intended to be
  machine readable and not necessarily meaningful to humans.  A message
  identifier pertains to exactly one instantiation of a particular
  message; subsequent revisions to the message each receive new message
  identifiers.

  Note: There are many instances when messages are "changed", but those
  changes do not constitute a new instantiation of that message, and
  therefore the message would not get a new message identifier.  For
  example, when messages are introduced into the transport system, they
  are often prepended with additional header fields such as trace
  fields (described in section 3.6.7) and resent fields (described in
  section 3.6.6).  The addition of such header fields does not change
  the identity of the message and therefore the original "Message-ID:"
  field is retained.  In all cases, it is the meaning that the sender
  of the message wishes to convey (i.e., whether this is the same
  message or a different message) that determines whether or not the
  "Message-ID:" field changes, not any particular syntactic difference
  that appears (or does not appear) in the message.

now the RECOMMENDED part

The message identifier (msg-id) itself MUST be a globally unique
  identifier for a message.  The generator of the message identifier
  MUST guarantee that the msg-id is unique.  There are several
  algorithms that can be used to accomplish this.  Since the msg-id has
  a similar syntax to angle-addr (identical except that comments and
  folding white space are not allowed), a good method is to put the
  domain name (or a domain literal IP address) of the host on which the
  message identifier was created on the right hand side of the "@", and
  put a combination of the current absolute date and time along with
  some other currently unique (perhaps sequential) identifier available
  on the system (for example, a process id number) on the left hand
  side.  Using a date on the left hand side and a domain name or domain
  literal on the right hand side makes it possible to guarantee
  uniqueness since no two hosts use the same domain name or IP address
  at the same time.  Though other algorithms will work, it is
  RECOMMENDED that the right hand side contain some domain identifier
  (either of the host itself or otherwise) such that the generator of
  the message identifier can guarantee the uniqueness of the left hand
  side within the scope of that domain.

further

This document occasionally uses terms that appear in capital letters.
  When the terms "MUST", "SHOULD", "RECOMMENDED", "MUST NOT", "SHOULD
  NOT", and "MAY" appear capitalized, they are being used to indicate
  particular requirements of this specification.  A discussion of the
  meanings of these terms appears in [RFC2119].




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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Allie Martin]

Hi Gary,
   On 23/5/2005 3:39 PM -0500, you wrote:

> IIRC, without looking it up, there is absolutely no spec for a
> message ID at all. You can use whatever you wish, as long as it is
> unique for each email. If he wanted to put @chicken-soup it is
> permissible. :) In fact, many people modify this on purpose, on many
> groups,to ward off some spammer software which harvest and key in on
> the message ID.  Some email clients, e.g. Pine, even will have a
> option to encrypt the domain in the message ID, before sending it.

Ok. Anyone saying yes or no on this paragraph. Thanks for the input
Gary.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Allie Martin]

Hi Boris,
   On 23/5/2005 10:15 PM +0200, you wrote:

> Tony Boom wrote (in ):

Just curious. Can the RFC gurus tell me if that message id format is
legal?

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Gary]

Hi Boris,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 22:15:29 +0200 UTC (5/23/2005, 3:15 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Boris Anders wrote:

B> Tony Boom wrote (in ):

B> For me, it is. Don't know whether it's an good idea to use @192.168.2.12
B> (see above) but I've no problem with that.

IIRC, without looking it up, there is absolutely no spec for a message ID at
all. You can use whatever you wish, as long as it is unique for each email.
If he wanted to put @chicken-soup it is permissible. :) In fact, many people
modify this on purpose, on many groups,to ward off some spammer software
which harvest and key in on the message ID.  Some email clients, e.g. Pine,
even will have a option to encrypt the domain in the message ID, before
sending it.


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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Tony.

--On 23 May 2005 21:31 +0100 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


>> Don't know whether it's an good idea to use @192.168.2.12 (see above) but
>> I've no problem with that.

Ooops! Must remember CTRL+X not CTRL+C !!

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris.

--On 23 May 2005 22:15 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> For me, it is. 

Then that makes me happy.


> Tony Boom wrote (in ):
>^^^ strange, but ok.

>> Don't know whether it's an good idea to use @192.168.2.12 (see above) but
>> I've no problem with that.



Strange? 10 billion people in the whole wide world who use a router for
their LAN must have a 192 IP address. Because a few billion of them will
also have a 192.168.2.12 you won't be able to find out who I am.

Seriously though, that's just the IP address my DSL router assigned to this
particular PC on a LAN of 4. Everyone who uses a router will have an IP
normally between 1 and 20 in the range 192.168.2.1to20.

I appreciate your concern but people won't be able to track me down or use
it for mail bombing as if it's me. 


> Don't know whether it's an good idea to use @192.168.2.12 (see above) but
> I've no problem with that.




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Solved : Icon transparency problem

[Julien RANC]

Hello testers,

  Just a word to say that the daily build I downloaded today fixed the
  Transparency problem I had with some icons. I was sharing this
  problem with a few people, so they may be interested.
  See: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  It may be older, since I discovered the 'daily' only today, but
  still worth signalling

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Boris Anders]

Hello Tony,

Tony Boom wrote (in ):
   ^^^ strange, but ok.

>> but that doesn't solve problem right now :-(.

> Oh alright then... There, fixed now?

For me, it is. Don't know whether it's an good idea to use @192.168.2.12
(see above) but I've no problem with that.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris.

--On 23 May 2005 21:55 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> Don't understand you here, but do whatever is necessary to fix the
> problem! Thanks!

Sorted :)

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris.

--On 23 May 2005 21:51 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> Use another mail-provider for the list or don't post until problem is
> fixed.

I won't post anymore then if you don't want me to. I'll just go over here
and sit in the corner and wait for them to fix it. I can read sometimes
though can't I? Please, go on let me, just read a few... Pleeease :(

> I believe that Tony really don't like "his" problem at all and
> tries hardly to solve it,

Tries hardly to solve it? I've been trying my little thingies off trying to
solve it! (I know, I know. No need to tell me.)

> but that doesn't solve problem right now :-(.

Oh alright then... There, fixed now?


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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Boris Anders]

Hello Tony,

Tony Boom wrote (in ):

>> It would be /very/ nice if this wouldn't happen any more. It's really
>> really really annoying for me!

> With your permission I'll forward your message to my provider in order to
> outline the problems it's causing?

Don't understand you here, but do whatever is necessary to fix the
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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Boris Anders]

Hello Allie,

Allie Martin wrote (in ):

> True, but what solution do you have to offer? :)

Use another mail-provider for the list or don't post until problem is
fixed. I believe that Tony really don't like "his" problem at all and
tries hardly to solve it, but that doesn't solve problem right now :-(.


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Re[2]: Real version of TB

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domingo, 22 may 2005 at 23:36, it seems you wrote:

> Where are you getting 3.5.0.15?

mmm,  sorry,  it should be a mistake when I installed two days ago the
last daily build.

The last it's 3.5.0.11 as you said.

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Re: Threading quirk

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 20:00 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading quirk:


> Thats an old servername AFAIK, you shouldn't need to use the "auth."
> prefix anymore.
> 
> smtp.1und1.com uses authentication just as well. :-)

Does it matter? SMTP.1and1.co.uk isn't the issue, imap.1and1.co.uk is!

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Re: Threading quirk

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Tony Boom & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 19:35 you (Tony Boom) wrote:

>> Whats your outgoing mail server? smtp.1und1.com?

> auth.smtp.1and1.co.uk

Thats an old servername AFAIK, you shouldn't need to use the "auth." prefix
anymore.

> It needs username and password for authorisation to send as well as
> receive.

smtp.1und1.com uses authentication just as well. :-)

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Mark.

--On 23 May 2005 19:27 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> I'm only asking because knowing is far more reliable than thinking:
> Is the first and the second one supposed to be one and the same? :-)

I don't know but that's how my Queen and Heir would say it so it's good
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Re: Threading quirk

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 19:20 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading quirk:


> Whats your outgoing mail server? smtp.1und1.com?

auth.smtp.1and1.co.uk

It needs username and password for authorisation to send as well as receive.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

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--On 23 May 2005 22:42 +0700 Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You client seems to not do that.


Not true, Thomas. The problem's not with the email client but the servers.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Mark Partous]

Hello Tony,

Monday, May 23, 2005, 6:25:27 PM, you wrote:

TB> would also help in keeping ones foot out of ones mouth :)

I'm only asking because knowing is far more reliable than thinking:
Is the first and the second one supposed to be one and the same? :-)

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Re[2]: First Impressions

[Gleason Pace]

Avi,


> Peter, I understand the spirit of what you are saying, and I
> appreciate your effort to allay my concerns and guide me. I guess I am
> just nervous about doing something that Ritlabs cannot automate for
> some reason that is lost on me. And my nervousness stems from cases
> where people talk about the problems they have when they try to follow
> this manual procedure.

> But nobody answered my question. Why is it that this process cannot be
> automated?

Unplanned things happen in the registry sometimes.  This causes
programs to act broken.  Even Microsoft can have this problem.
Applying MS Office Service packs comes to mind.  Visual Studio too.
The normal thing that most of us see is that the new TB 3.5 installed
without a hitch.  There is no way RIT can know what might be lurking
in your registry.  It takes a human eye to sort things out like that
sometimes.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 18:39 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> Which would mean, since I'm a 1&1 customer, too, if I'd be using IMAP, my
> threading headers would be broken, too. I have to try that.

Only if you use Mulberry with IMAP. I would be so grateful if you would try
Mulberry with 1and1 IMAP and if it does happen with you that'll be 100%
confirmation and peace of mind for me knowing it's not my end.

You could also report it to 1&1 then and maybe get it sorted quicker :)

Go on Rodney, you know it makes sense :)

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Re: Threading quirk

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Tony Boom & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 19:14 you (Tony Boom) wrote:

> So does mine, but my IMAP server strips them off again.

Whats your outgoing mail server? smtp.1und1.com?

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas.

--On 23 May 2005 23:34 +0700 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> Accepted. I'll go to sleep now, may it's fixed in the morrow.

I don't know if it'll be tomorrow Thomas, I sincerely hope so but I'm not
holding my breath.

And there is a nudist beach somewhere near you, I see it on a travel
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Re: Threading quirk

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas.

--On 23 May 2005 23:20 +0700 you wrote about Re: Threading quirk:


> Looks like that my superior email client (it's called "The Bat!" in
> case you wondered) added the angular brackets upon reply. ;-)

So does mine, but my IMAP server strips them off again.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas.

--On 23 May 2005 23:17 +0700 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> An explanation is not a solution.

No, but knowing the cause leads to a solution... Hopefully!  

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Tony Boom & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 18:25 you (Tony Boom) wrote:

> my IMAP service provider is

Which would mean, since I'm a 1&1 customer, too, if I'd be using IMAP, my
threading headers would be broken, too. I have to try that.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Tony,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 17:25:27 +0100 GMT (23/05/2005, 23:25 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:

TB> You've either been on holiday, on Mars or asleep for a few Weeks... Or
TB> laying on that nudist beach the other side of you island :)

Unfortunately, no nudist beach over here. But I have had computer
trouble and I do admit that I deleted over 1,000 mails in TBUDL and
TBBETA without reading them. I understand that this is not excusable,
but hey, it's my excuse. - I'll be in Mainland China in June, that's
as far away from the internet as Mars, though. ;-)

TB> We had a big discussion about this and we all know, except you apparently,
TB> exactly what the cause of it is and I can categorically say Mulberry is in
TB> no way, shape or form to blame, my IMAP service provider is.

I missed that completely, sorry.

TB> I'm doing my best to sort it, honest.
 
Accepted. I'll go to sleep now, may it's fixed in the morrow.

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Re: Threading quirk

[Allie Martin]

Hi Thomas,
   On 23/5/2005 11:20 PM +0700, you wrote:

> Looks like that my superior email client (it's called "The Bat!" in
> case you wondered) added the angular brackets upon reply. ;-)

No need for 'swinging'. I know it's better in many ways. ;) Why do you
think I stick around???

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Allie.

--On 23 May 2005 11:05 -0500 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> This has been discussed at length. The problem is with the IMAP server
> and Tony is trying to sort this out with his ISP.

Thank you for your support Allie, had I read your reply before I sent my
own I perhaps wouldn't have needed to send it.

It's not actually my ISP. I pay extra for my domain name and email service
to 1and1.co.uk. It's they who have just recently started to provide IMAP
access so I guess they still have teething problems to sort out.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Allie Martin]

Hi Thomas,
   On 23/5/2005 11:17 PM +0700, you wrote:

> The ISP is setting the Reply-to headers? This must be an aspect of
> IMAP I wasn't aware of.

I wasn't either until the problem arose and was explained.
 
> You are saying the MUA (or its settings) has nothing to do with
> it, but the ISP does. 

Yes. Tony is the only one that I know of using the client that has this
problem with his headers. 

> Hm. An explanation is not a solution.

True, but what solution do you have to offer? :)

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Re: Threading quirk

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:06:58 -0500 GMT (23/05/2005, 23:06 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> Fascinating. Looks like Thomas' reply provided the cohesion necessary
AM> to  fix the threading.

Looks like that my superior email client (it's called "The Bat!" in
case you wondered) added the angular brackets upon reply. ;-)

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas.

--On 23 May 2005 22:42 +0700 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> Don't think so.

Thinking is OK for some people, knowing for an absolute fact is far more
reliable when engaging in public debate. A reasonable amount of research
into TB! archives would also help in keeping ones foot out of ones mouth :)

> You are using Mulberry/4.0.0 (Win32). On TBOT, someone
> posted the RFC that says that mids must be enclosed in angular
> brackets. You client seems to not do that. Threading is still broken,
> as your message didn't appear under mine, to which you are replying.

You've either been on holiday, on Mars or asleep for a few Weeks... Or
laying on that nudist beach the other side of you island :)

We had a big discussion about this and we all know, except you apparently,
exactly what the cause of it is and I can categorically say Mulberry is in
no way, shape or form to blame, my IMAP service provider is.

I've been in contact with them and as far as I know they're on the case.
I've also been in contact with them earlier today about this very subject.
I'm doing my best to sort it, honest.
 

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:05:27 -0500 GMT (23/05/2005, 23:05 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> I'm using the same client and do you see the problem???
AM> This has been discussed at length. The problem is with the IMAP server
AM> and Tony is trying to sort this out with his ISP.

The ISP is setting the Reply-to headers? This must be an aspect of
IMAP I wasn't aware of.

AM> And just in case you're wondering why he doesn't use TB! instead.

No, I'm not wondering. I do ignore messages regarding IMAP, so I am
not qualified to comment. What I see is that his messsages don't
thread correctly, and with my POP background, the culprit would be the
MUA. You are saying the MUA (or its settings) has nothing to do with
it, but the ISP does. Hm. An explanation is not a solution.

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Re: Threading quirk

[Allie Martin]

Hi Martin,
   On 23/5/2005 4:51 PM +0100, you wrote:

> The first jumped into
> the thread as soon as I received Thomas's reply. Yet, they are
> incorrectly threaded.
> 
> Can anyone cast some light on this? BTW, I'm using thread by reference
> only.

Fascinating. Looks like Thomas' reply provided the cohesion necessary
to  fix the threading.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Allie Martin]

Hi Thomas,
   On 23/5/2005 10:42 PM +0700, you wrote:

> Don't think so. You are using Mulberry/4.0.0 (Win32). On TBOT, someone
> posted the RFC that says that mids must be enclosed in angular
> brackets. You client seems to not do that. Threading is still broken,
> as your message didn't appear under mine, to which you are replying.

I'm using the same client and do you see the problem???
This has been discussed at length. The problem is with the IMAP server
and Tony is trying to sort this out with his ISP.

And just in case you're wondering why he doesn't use TB! instead. ATM,
he seems to feel more comfortable using Mulberry. He'd surely be using
TB! if it were working better for him, now that he's using IMAP.

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Threading quirk

[Martin Webster on tbbeta]

Hello tbbeta, 

Occasionally I receive an reply to a thread that's orphaned, e.g.
 (see Capture1.png.) A
moment later, or after switching between folders the message has found
itself back in the thread (see Capture2.png.) At first I thought I was
imagining things... but now I have the evidence. I chose Tony's
"orphaned" message after seeing this behaviour with
 and
. The first jumped into
the thread as soon as I received Thomas's reply. Yet, they are
incorrectly threaded.

Can anyone cast some light on this? BTW, I'm using thread by reference
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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Tony,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:25:34 +0100 GMT (23/05/2005, 22:25 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:

>> Hm. Have you tried an RFC-compatible client?

TB> Yes, and I'm still using it this very minute.

Don't think so. You are using Mulberry/4.0.0 (Win32). On TBOT, someone
posted the RFC that says that mids must be enclosed in angular
brackets. You client seems to not do that. Threading is still broken,
as your message didn't appear under mine, to which you are replying.

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RGoing back to previous version

[David Elliott]

Hello All,

I have finally go so fed up with the latest release (3.5.0.10) I have gone
back to a previous release (3.0.1.33), main reasons.

1) key board short cuts not present.
3) Search either crashing or locking up.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas.

--On 23 May 2005 22:11 +0700 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> Hm. Have you tried an RFC-compatible client?

Yes, and I'm still using it this very minute.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Tony,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:07:03 +0100 GMT (23/05/2005, 22:07 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:

TB> I'm trying my hardest. I've notified my provider, they asked for examples
TB> and I sent them. Other than traveling to the other end of the Country and
TB> supervising the work myself I don't know what else to do other than wait
TB> for them to contact me.

Hm. Have you tried an RFC-compatible client?

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris.

--On 23 May 2005 16:52 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> It would be /very/ nice if this wouldn't happen any more. It's really
> really really annoying for me!

With your permission I'll forward your message to my provider in order to
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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Boris,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:52:05 +0200 GMT (23/05/2005, 21:52 +0700 GMT),
Boris Anders wrote:

>>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BA>^^

BA> It would be /very/ nice if this wouldn't happen any more. It's really
BA> really really annoying for me!

ACK.


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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris.

--On 23 May 2005 16:52 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> It would be /very/ nice if this wouldn't happen any more. It's really
> really really annoying for me!

It would be very, very nice indeed, more so for me that you.

I'm trying my hardest. I've notified my provider, they asked for examples
and I sent them. Other than traveling to the other end of the Country and
supervising the work myself I don't know what else to do other than wait
for them to contact me.

Sorry, can't help it, as soon as it's fixed I'll let you know. 

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Boris Anders]

Hello Tony,

Tony Boom wrote (in ):

> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   ^^

It would be /very/ nice if this wouldn't happen any more. It's really
really really annoying for me!


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Re: %Setheader("Subject", "Doesn't work")

[MAU]

Hello Boris,

> Confirmations? Explanations?

Maybe it doesn't not work because you can set Subject with %SUBJECT and
there isn't an specific macro for other headers. But I don't know if
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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Tony Boom]

Hello Leif.

--On 23 May 2005 07:48 -0600 you wrote about Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a
preview of issues to be tested:


> 

Please don't feel singled out anyone :)

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3.5: Some VFs not autorefresshing

[MAU]

Hello all,

I have just added a note to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4158
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Re: First Impressions

[Allie Martin]

Hi Avi,
   On 23/5/2005 7:12 PM +0700, you wrote:

> Allie, I never before saw Shakespeare get such a bad reaction. :-)
> Anyway, perhaps you misunderstood. 

I don't think so. My reaction wasn't one of being upset or anything
related to that. It was quite an emotion free response. Just a candid
one really. After this clarifying message, I still have the same
position.

> All I meant to say was that on this list alone I see many people
> praising IMAP to the sky and the same people getting caught up in
> lengthy discussions about IMAP problems.

Well, your response explains it. If we have high praises about it, this
means that we find using the protocol to be extremely useful. It's only
natural then that we'll discuss at length, the problems we're having
with it.

The very same happens concerning other aspects of TB!. You could
replace 'IMAP' with 'TB!' in your statement, and someone looking in,
wondering what the fuss with TB! is about, could be saying the same
thing. Of course, we know better and fully understand why TB! is
discussed so much and why so much time is put into it, right? We see
the returns. Returns that are determined/affected by our personal needs
and preferences and tastes. :) 

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Automated backup (was: First Impressions)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Avi,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 19:16:18 +0700 GMT (23/05/2005, 19:16 +0700 GMT),
Avi Yashar wrote:

AY> But nobody answered my question. Why is it that this process cannot be
AY> automated?

My guess is that is because it takes a long time and you are not able
to work during that time.

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Re: Yippi .. :-) Grouping is BACK

[MAU]

Hello Miroslav,

> now I have also access directly to all my quick templates (I like it!),
> but I have over ~100 QTs. If I open the favorite menu, I get a dialog
> window which takes the whole screen [1]. To find an template, I must
> scroll the menu for quite a number of seconds.
> 
> Perhaps it would be possible to arrange the template into favorite
> groups as in the address book, or an option "[x] Add Template to the
> Instant Address Pop-Up" so I can transfer only the most important QTs to
> the menu.

Please see https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2585 and add a
supporting not if you agree.

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Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Martin,

Saturday, May 21, 2005, 11:22:17 PM, you wrote:
M> No please again - stop this silly game with official betas, private
M> betas, closed betas, daily betas - it's absurd.

It's really not a game. The daily betas are there to test one or two
bugfixes at a time and they're generally meant to be tested by only
one or two people who were experiencing the problem. Since the person
who reported the bug is the one contacted to download the daily beta
and test the fix, they know what it is they're looking for. It
shouldn't matter one iota that there might have been other bugfixes,
because they're testing one specific fix for a problem they reported.



Unless you're one of the people contacted by RITLabs to test a fix on
a problem you reported, you shouldn't be downloading and using the
daily or any other beta other than an official one.

People who fail to follow that should *not* be posting to the beta
list about bugs or things fixed in daily betas either because it only
serves to cause a ruckus like we're experiencing now.

If you want to play with daily builds for the heck of it. That's your
call, but do *not* post information to the TBBETA list about it.

Thank you.




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Re: %Setheader("Subject", "Doesn't work")

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Boris,

> %SETHEADER(Subject,"Hello") doesn't work.

› https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4703

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Re: Yippi .. :-) Grouping is BACK

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Peter,

> The grouping in the favourite pop up menu is back in 3.5.0.11!

now I have also access directly to all my quick templates (I like it!),
but I have over ~100 QTs. If I open the favorite menu, I get a dialog
window which takes the whole screen [1]. To find an template, I must
scroll the menu for quite a number of seconds.

Perhaps it would be possible to arrange the template into favorite
groups as in the address book, or an option "[x] Add Template to the
Instant Address Pop-Up" so I can transfer only the most important QTs to
the menu.

[1] http://bat-mail.de.vu/samples/favorites_and_qt_v35_0_11.gif

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Re: I'm back?

[Tony Boom]

Hello Clive.

--On 23 May 2005 10:25 +0100 you wrote about Re: I'm back?:


> Shh! Everyone stop talking about Stuart now. He's back.

Stewart who?

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Re: %Setheader("Subject", "Doesn't work")

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Boris,

> Confirmations? Explanations?

confirmed. It concerns only the subject header, the other headers are
set correctly by the %SETHEADER macro.

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Re: First Impressions

[Avi Yashar]

On 5/19/05, Peter Fjelsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Backup takes 2 minutes to start: just select everything. It may take
> some time to run it but you are not working during this time... :-)
> 
> The in RegEdit, just delete everything to do with RitLabs and TheBat
> (make sure you have kept the e-mail with your registration code).

Peter, I understand the spirit of what you are saying, and I
appreciate your effort to allay my concerns and guide me. I guess I am
just nervous about doing something that Ritlabs cannot automate for
some reason that is lost on me. And my nervousness stems from cases
where people talk about the problems they have when they try to follow
this manual procedure.

But nobody answered my question. Why is it that this process cannot be
automated?

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Re: First Impressions

[Avi Yashar]

On 5/19/05, Allie Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > To paraphrase the Bard, methinks the IMAP people doth protest too
> > much.
> 
> I don't know where to start, so I will not.  I guess it must be
> bait, and bad bait at that, which I'll not bite. Not worth discussing.
> But just to say I saw it, couldn't disagree more with it, and that it's
> an opinion based on ignorance.

Allie, I never before saw Shakespeare get such a bad reaction. :-)
Anyway, perhaps you misunderstood. All I meant to say was that on this
list alone I see many people praising IMAP to the sky and the same
people getting caught up in lengthy discussions about IMAP problems.
For example, this topic alone seems to have been largely hijacked into
a discussion of IMAP headers. :-( So I just don't get inspired by this
to invest the time that IMAP seems to require.

Anyway...

If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumber'd here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
if you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.

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Re: %Setheader("Subject", "Doesn't work")

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hi Boris,
   --<> on 23.05.2005 13:55 +0200 you wrote:


%SETHEADER(Subject,"Hello") doesn't work.
Confirmations? Explanations?


No explanation, but a confirmation, that this doesn't work.
I'm also curios about that and can't think of any explanation why this 
should be the way it is now.


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%Setheader("Subject", "Doesn't work")

[Boris Anders]

Hello all,

%SETHEADER(Subject,"Hello") doesn't work. This is not a new issue, but
an older one (can confirm with 3.01 RC6), also it's till broken in 3.5.
Is the syntax wrong or is it a bug (can't think of a reason why this
shouldn't work).

Confirmations? Explanations?

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AV's on starting scheduler

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo tbbeta,

  I was checking something in TB's scheduler and I got an AV (forgot
  the addresses), previously I had used SmartBat. Could stop TB only
  via the task manager.

  After restarting TB, the scheduler started fine, after cancelling my
  new task and starting the scheduler again I got an AV at address
   while reading address  (different address from the
  the first time) and the scheduler started fine.

  On trying further with the scheduler and smartbat I couldn't
  reproduce this.

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Re: UI: Cannot cancel out of dialog boxes

[Stuart Hemming]

> When presented with a dialog box within TB!, it is most often not
> possible to cancel out of it (or answer "No") by pressing Esc.
Confirmed.

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Re: [3.5 Usability] Scroll bars or screen refresh needed

[Stuart Hemming]

> Hi,

> Start off with a number of accounts/folders where one account is
> expanded with the the others collapsed.
Confirmed.

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Bayestit! plugin reset itself

[Sean Rima]

Hello TBBETA,

  This morning the bayesit plgin reset itself for some reason and I
  lost all my settings and word :(

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Re: I'm back?

[Stuart Hemming]

> Welcome back Stuart :-)
Thing is, I've been off the air for so long I've forgotten what I I
wanted to say! Ho-hum, back to obscurity then.

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Re: I'm back?

[Stuart Hemming]

> Shh! Everyone stop talking about Stuart now. He's back.
What?! Hmmm? What you been sayin' then? Hmmm???

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Re: I'm back?

[Boris Anders]

Hello Stuart,

Stuart Hemming wrote (in ):

> Could someone please either post an acknowledgement on seeing this
> message or mail me directly, just so I know.

I'll doing both. Welcome back!

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Re: I'm back?

[Stuart Hemming]

Stuart,

Thanks to Natasha and Manuel I /know/ I'm back!

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Re: I'm back?

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Stuart and list,

On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 10:18:01 GMT +0100 (which was 11:18 where I
live) Stuart Hemming wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable
points on the subject of "I'm back?":


> After much messing about, and with thanks to the Mods and the lovely
> Mary Bull, I /think/ I'm back in business.


Welcome back Stuart :-)

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Re: I'm back?

[Clive Taylor]

--On 23 May 2005 10:18 +0100 Stuart Hemming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Could someone please either post an acknowledgement on seeing this
message or mail me directly, just so I know.


Shh! Everyone stop talking about Stuart now. He's back.

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I'm back?

[Stuart Hemming]

OK.

After much messing about, and with thanks to the Mods and the lovely
Mary Bull, I /think/ I'm back in business.

Could someone please either post an acknowledgement on seeing this
message or mail me directly, just so I know.

TVM.

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