Re: Update on the Status of Software
At 19:20 [GMT+0200] on Thursday January 20 (actual time - 1:20am on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? Let us finish the current cycle first. Man, this just arrived at 1542 this afternoon!!! Weird. -- cheers, mic Depressed since he could not find a job, 42-year-old Romolo Ribolla sat in his kitchen near Pisa, Italy, with a gun in his hand threatening to kill himself in 1981. His wife pleaded for him not to do it, and after about an hour he burst into tears and threw the gun to the floor. It went off and killed his wife. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hallo Mic, On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:27:40 +0800GMT (28-2-2005, 9:27 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Let us finish the current cycle first. J Man, this just arrived at 1542 this afternoon!!! Weird. Yep, but it was a duplicate of a message that arrived here over a month ago. -- Groetjes, Roelof This is just one humble opinion, collect the whole series The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpzLsJSsur1J.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
At 10:10 [GMT+0100] on Monday February 28 (actual time - 5:10pm on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Let us finish the current cycle first. J Man, this just arrived at 1542 this afternoon!!! Weird. Yep, but it was a duplicate of a message that arrived here over a month ago. Ah, well, for some strange reason that no longer exists here on my system :-) -- cheers, mic Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 19:07, you wrote: Was any work done on Unicode support MM What do you mean exactly? I want: 1) Write utf-8 messages (lithuanian and russian text in a message); 2) To see both lithuanian and russian text in the same subject in message list (of course when message is utf-8); 3) To be able to have Lithuanian names in Lithuanian and Russian names in cyrillic in my address book. Now address book allows only default windows charset. -- Edvinas Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Edvinas, on 26.01.2005 at 16:15 you wrote: 1) Write utf-8 messages (lithuanian and russian text in a message); 2) To see both lithuanian and russian text in the same subject in message list (of course when message is utf-8); 3) To be able to have Lithuanian names in Lithuanian and Russian names in cyrillic in my address book. Now address book allows only default windows charset. 4) MicroEd should also be able to display utf-8 messages. (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Best regards, Manuel (http://www.manuel-breitfel.de) The Bat! 3.0.2.10, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Dierk, -- Freitag, 21. Januar 2005, 14:11:51: Any chance for the next one? Let's just let them work out this one! Too many already complained that it takes so long. It was not meant to push them for a implementation now. Just want to find out if such thoughts are done on the AB. -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)
Hello Max, on Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:41:23 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote: MM Is the sig delimiter now OK? MM X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.2.10) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 ??? -- Regards, Peter Using Ritlabs TheBat! 3.0.2.10 (OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)
At 01:18 [GMT+0100] on Sunday January 23 (actual time - 8:18am on Sunday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Peter Hello Max, Peter on Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:41:23 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote: MM Is the sig delimiter now OK? MM X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.2.10) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Peter ?? He's unhappy with the way the upgrade to v3 was handled :-) -- cheers, mic The best things in life are free; and,they are also priceless. Jean Williams Brown, Associate Justice, Alabama Supreme Court Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
LG Hi Goncalo, LG On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, at 04:11:56 [GMT +] (which was 9:11 PM where LG I live) you wrote: GF Noun: demagog GF 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience LG Aren't semantics great? LG Merriam Webster: LG Noun: LG a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and LG promises in order to gain power LG The next time you decide to hang a characterization on someone, you LG might want to make sure you actually know what it is your calling LG them. One of the reasons for list rule B.3. I did! Maybe we should make a rule to establish the official 'dictionary/encyclopedia' :) I'm using WordWeb 3.0. GF Quoting Dierk Haasis (1949378823.20050118105056): GF As I always say, smileys don't make it better. :)) LG It wasn't meant to be a nice message. When you jump on a moderator LG for making a moderatorial decision you're essentially saying the LG rules don't matter. In the long history of these lists, only one LG person has ever gotten banned. He didn't agree with the list rules LG either. We're still here, he's not. What I'm saying is that some law should be applied with judgment, not blindly. It puzzles me that people do give them the work to call other people to attention because the signature delimiter isn't compatible with TB!. Really, I have better things to do so I just cut the signature and move on. LG If you don't like the list rules, you can go elsewhere. There's LG many other lists that might cater more to your liking. You could LG probably even top-post if you really wanted to. If this was a list that didn't have to do with TB! beta tests, you could be sure that I would go elsewhere. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Tech Support: Not just a job, an adventure! Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Goncalo, On 21-01-2005 09:23, you [GF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GF Really, I have better things to do so I just cut the signature and GF move on. Who else votes for a ban? GF If this was a list that didn't have to do with TB! beta tests, you GF could be sure that I would go elsewhere. You do not need to be here to be informed of new betas. Not do you need to be here for reporting bugs. What's keeping you? Good bye. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.1.33 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software
1/21/2005 5:17 AM Hi Goncalo, Maybe I lost my sensibility. Maybe. Attitude is very important...no, attitude is everything! Your carping and sniping is clogging up the positive communication. Please restrict your correspondence to issues regarding The Bat! beta. I, for one, will appreciate it immensely. -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k Pro 5.00.2195 Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character. - Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Paul! On Friday, January 21, 2005, 4:32 AM, you wrote: Please restrict your correspondence to issues regarding The Bat! beta. I, for one, will appreciate it immensely. Confirmed. I will appreciate that immensely, also. We are going to receive a new beta--in the development team's good time--and we, every one of us, will need the good attitude that you point out, in order to work usefully together. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Maxim, -- Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 21:38:07: As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder. No, we didn't plan this for the upcoming version. Any chance for the next one? -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Eddie! On Friday, January 21, 2005 at 12:41:30 PM you wrote: Any chance for the next one? Let's just let them work out this one! Too many already complained that it takes so long. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Marck, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 4:14:48 PM, you wrote: M Just to pick you up *right* there my friend, there is an extremely M good reason why TB does it the way it does it and why it is not M wrong. Far from it. It is absolutely correct. Imagine a digest with M multiple messages and multiple signatures. TB *has* to consider M only the final cutmark otherwise all text below the first cutmark M would be displayed using the signature font / style / colour (which M in my instance is grey). Digests become hard to read and hard to M reply to. Excellent point... I'd completely forgotten about that! Thanks. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would get done. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Screenreaders and TB (was: Update on the Status of Software)
Hello Maxim, On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:46:37 +0200 GMT (20/01/2005, 23:46 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM I will give a little technical update. Thanks. MM The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will MM no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be MM batskin.xml; OK. When I read about skins, I think about screenreader accessability. May be unrelated in this case, but is this bug being addressed? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 Especially, are you observing the MSAA (Microsoft Active Accessability) standards? -- Cheers, Thomas. Hilfe mein Nachbar wohnt neben mir! * Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
GMM Friday, January 21, 2005, 6:11:56 AM, Goncalo Farias wrote: GMM I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in terms, I was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet per byte DL'ed. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Software Aria - The computer's boot-up noises. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 23:41 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Goncalo, GMM I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in terms, I was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet per byte DL'ed. You know, I wouldn't mind if this 'discussion' stopped. I know it was my lousy message that started off this thread... can I make a lousy request to stop it right here and now? ;) -- regards, Rubeo, who was just watching: Xena 1x06 - the reckoning why experiment on animals with so many windows users around here? The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
C Het was op vrijdag 21 januari 2005 om 23:41 uur dat jij iets C schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : C Hallo Goncalo, GMM I don't think that moderators are demagogs. This is contradiction in terms, I was referring to the concern with those people paying their internet per byte DL'ed. C You know, I wouldn't mind if this 'discussion' stopped. I know it was my C lousy message that started off this thread... can I make a lousy request to C stop it right here and now? ;) I already did. That was my last email to that matter (not counting this one). As you may see I trimmed the whole message leaving little to be replied. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias How to tune a ukulele: My DOS has fleas Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Michael! On Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 8:26:18 AM you wrote: They promised working IMAP and the working NFS for v2 ... Now I payed for v3 (for the same features they promised/advertised in v2) - and still bugs, bugs, bugs. Don't you think I have the right for a working version? But you agree, that IMAP is one of the advertised features for v2 and v3? If so, you agree that the customer expects this features to work. And you agree that the customers wants fixes for not working functions in the first line - not new gaming gimmicks. Apart from Leif declaring this thread DH'ed, I chime in with the biggest mantra of shareware: Try, try, try ... before you buy. I've written it - in this very thread and every time this discussion comes up (about every five minutes since nobody has anything else to do nowadays): Don't buy promises. There's only one exception, found on carnivals and circuses, palm readers and their kind. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Science may be described as the art of systematic oversimplification. (Sir Karl Popper) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Dierk, Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 09:01: Apart from Leif declaring this thread DH'ed Sorry, but i read the DH-message afterwards. I chime in with the biggest mantra of shareware: Try, try, try ... before you buy. As you said. You can *try*. But only try. In 30 days you are not able to see every aspect and not every issue comes up because you just don't know the software enough or get everything to work in this time. In 30 days you just get a sneak preview of what you'll get after you paid for it. But it's right. Never trust a software company ;-) regards Michael -- Die berühmten letzten Wörte des Mensakoches: Merkwürdig ruhig da draußen... http://www.spreadfirefox.com pgpCgsFEfzWrJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
A simply inquiry which I'm sure Max will provide an answer to as he did before Christmas. We could have compiled the beta today, but some things don't yet work after the rework. Such things are Quick Search etc. I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) -- , Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 17:32 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Maxim, A simply inquiry which I'm sure Max will provide an answer to as he did before Christmas. We could have compiled the beta today, but some things don't yet work after the rework. Such things are Quick Search etc. I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) that makes total sense to me. ;) Hope that the new beta will not crash on me, as the latest started doing ever since two days ago now. Still don't get it why that began to happen. -- regards, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: One Foot In The Blues | ZZ Top - She Loves My Automobile Feel good? Don't worry; you'll get over it! The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19-1-2005 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
OK, it'd be nice if someone gave us the occasional update on what was happening, but they don't /have/ to; for what it's worth I don't even believe they've a moral obligation to. They're going to tell us when they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. Feel free to ask questions. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Max, The original quoted text below was written on 20/01/2005 16:46 my local time; Feel free to ask questions. Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? -- Chris Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 17:46 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Maxim, they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. Feel free to ask questions. first off I feel free to say thank you guys for all the hard work. Because I know it's a hell of a lot of work. Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the languagefiles automatically be updated to the new format when launching new 'batty'? -- regards, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: One Foot In The Blues | ZZ Top - She Loves My Automobile For THIS I bought a computer? The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19-1-2005 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Quoting Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. I guess Dierk and I have some re-re-writing to do! Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Maxim Masiutin skrev: Feel free to ask questions. How about imap support? I had so much trouble with it that I am using Thunderbird! And I really miss some of The Bat!'s features! My problems being: 1) Sometimes messages would not load. 2) Sometimes messages are shown to be there more then once when in fact they are not. (this happens a lot) 3) Also when using the Maintenance feature the imap folders I use regular always have errors and The Bat! says it recovers the messages. Also would it be possible to define a imap folder as the spam folder? I have a folder on my server named SPAM which gathers the most but I would like it to show up as a junk folder in The Bat! -- Kian Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://neksus.dk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 18:46, you wrote: MM Feel free to ask questions. Was any work done on Unicode support? -- Edvinas Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the languagefiles automatically be updated to the new format when launching new 'batty'? The Bat! will read localized strings from the old LNG files as usual. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? Much work have been done, but you will have to evaluate whether it was successful :-) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
How about imap support? 9Val is currently working on that. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Was any work done on Unicode support What do you mean exactly? Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, Maxim Masiutin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I will give a little technical update. Thanks you very much. Feel free to ask questions. I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Max, The original quoted text below was written on 20/01/2005 17:04 my local time; Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? Much work have been done, but you will have to evaluate whether it was successful :-) Great, I look forward to testing it :-) Thanks Max. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Maxim Masiutin skrev: How about imap support? 9Val is currently working on that. Nice to know! But what about my other question? [quote] Also would it be possible to define a imap folder as the spam folder? I have a folder on my server named SPAM which gathers the most but I would like it to show up as a junk folder in The Bat! [/quote] -- Kian Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://neksus.dk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Maxim, -- Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 17:46:37: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder. Any plans for the short future? Have a nice evening and many thanks for your work. -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Eddie, Eddie Castelli wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have there being any changes in the AB? I agree that in the AB there is much potential for improvements: (Here my favorite ones) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1861 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2202 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2666 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2333 More than one subfolder (couldn't find BR). However I'd prefere bugfixing ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Thursday, January 20, 2005, 4:46:37 PM, you wrote: OK, it'd be nice if someone gave us the occasional update on what was happening, but they don't /have/ to; for what it's worth I don't even believe they've a moral obligation to. They're going to tell us when they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. Feel free to ask questions. Will the tree format still have lines linking messages and their replies? Thanks. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Boris, on Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:13:49 +0100GMT, you wrote: BA Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? I'm just a list member with no particularly close relations to RITlabs, but I dare to say, yes, certainly! Unless /all/ bugs are fixed in the next version... ;-) - -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3-nr1 (Windows 2000) - GPGshell v3.20 Comment: My key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xE10774CE Comment: Gossamer Spider Web of Trust: http://www.gswot.org/ iD8DBQFB8ALDAzZSBuEHdM4RAusJAKDhIg9eUxIlWucUSOvnNtkf7gehXACdHUy5 5cpYvUBchKqGJ8DZRYdHRPU= =W1wA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 9:51:28 AM, you wrote: C first off I feel free to say thank you guys for all the hard work. C Because I know it's a hell of a lot of work. C Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the C languagefiles automatically be updated to the new format when C launching new 'batty'? You do have a sig delimiter, but please remove the sig delimiter right above the AVG message, or turn that off completely. TheBat uses the last sig delimiter to trim a message. That means the AVG part disappears but your actual signature stays. Thanks. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Shin (n) Device used to locate furnature in the dark. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 08:26, it seems you wrote:
As read below in my prior message. TB! doesn't focus on John Doe home
users in the first way but advanced home users and semiprofessionalls.
And they will use IMAP more and more often.
A lot of companies use at work an Exchange server, so the Outlook it's
a very important tool for work. Outlook has a lot of known bugs and
problems with malware.
I think full support of Exchange (Contacts, Calendar, mails, public
folders) on TB! will add a lot of users to the pool. These
improvements should be a lot of hours of work so It need a big study
before starting it.
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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)
Not often a moderator gets to moderate a developer! grin Is the sig delimiter now OK? -- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder. No, we didn't plan this for the upcoming version. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? Let us finish the current cycle first. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 1:41:23 PM, you wrote: M Is the sig delimiter now OK? Perfect... Thank you! :-) -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Synthetic Natural Gas Huh?? Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 17:46, it seems you wrote:
I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a
temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file
which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language
file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and
the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered;
some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the
message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different,
much much better than the current tree; etc.
Cool!
Think this, please!. When all it's done, a pack with skin, toolbar
configuration and menu configuration could make possible the fast
personalization for some types of people.
One pack should be: Outlook theme. Icons like Outlook, menus like
Outlook (or with similarities), Proffesional theme with all the
advanced options. Easy theme with only the basic commands, .
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Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees, Hope that the new beta will not crash on me, as the latest started doing ever since two days ago now. Still don't get it why that began to happen. I had the same problem till I understood that my bat doesn't like a dial-up connection if it comes to IMAP. Dialing on myself solves the problem as far as crashing is concerned. -- Regards, Raymund Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 21:22 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Authenticated-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Processed: shhh.nl, Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:11:43 +0100 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on 10.0.0.14 does not match 217.19.23.17 X-MDRemoteIP: 217.19.23.17 X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com Hallo Leif, You do have a sig delimiter, but please remove the sig delimiter right above the AVG message, or turn that off completely. no... why should I? TheBat uses the last sig delimiter to trim a message. That means the AVG part disappears but your actual signature stays. apparently it does. why is that my fault? I'd say that The Bat! should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most emailprograms as I remember Secondly I've been waiting to answer you ... because I had to calm down. BECAUSE I think you are nitpicking!!! Is this ALL that is bothering you? I'd say that the way people address each other is a way more important item to follow. And please don't come with the argument of message sizes. -- groeten, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: Who Are You | The Who - Love Is Coming Down No, no, I'm not his friend. I'm his wife. The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19-1-2005 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees! On Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:01:12 PM you wrote: no... why should I? 1. Because a moderator said so. 2. Leif explained it. I'd say that The Bat! should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most emailprograms as I remember How? How should the program know which delimiter to choose if more than on is in the message? Secondly I've been waiting to answer you ... because I had to calm down. BECAUSE I think you are nitpicking!!! Oh, it's fashionable again to bash moderatorial notes. I remember that only yesterday a message from Marck said something about this specific issue. Perhaps you should go through your archive to find out what to do if you are not content with the job a moderator does. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request The two shortest books in the world? Very easy: *The Complete History of Italian Heroes* and *A Survey of German Humour*. (Derek Leveret) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 2:01:12 PM, you wrote: C no... why should I? Let's see. (for reference, please read the welcome message you were sent when you subscribed). 1. You are violating section G of the list rules which state that you sig should be about 4-6 lines. Yours is 13 lines. But, I wasn't even modding you on your sig length, only that you should remove the cutmark between your main sig and the AVG message. I usually don't mod much on sig lengths unless it's really excessive 2. Certifying an outgoing message as virus free is pretty irrelevant. There isn't a single anti-virus application out there that catches all viruses. Especially if it's a brand new virus. Therefore, telling the recipient that your message is virus free instills a false sense of security. However, to be honest, I really don't care if you include it or not, that's not why I mentioned what I did. However, by including it, you add three lines to your sig not to mention the three blank lines before it plus the line with the redundant sig delimiter.. A total of seven lines you *could* remove which would bring your signature to within list rules. C apparently it does. why is that my fault? I'd say that The Bat! C should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most C emailprograms as I remember You'll get no argument from me that TheBat should handle it better. However it doesn't and that's why *you* need to take care of it. This is the point and only the point I was modding you on. This also falls under list rule G. C Secondly I've been waiting to answer you ... I certainly do appreciate it. However, as moderators, we never take off the asbestos suits. :-) C because I had to calm down. BECAUSE I think you are nitpicking!!! There's nothing nitpicky about it. They *are* the list rules which have been around since 1996/97 and revised over the years as needed. They are neither antiquidated nor irrelevant as they follow common Netiquette guidelines which also have been around for ages and are revised accordingly. C Is this ALL that is bothering you? I'd say that the way people C address each other is a way more important item to follow. And C please don't come with the argument of message sizes. Primarily it's messy. When someone replies to your messages, they must manually cut out your topmost signature. Don't you think it's kind of rude to force people who wish to follow list rules about trimming their replies by making them fix something *every* single time which you could fix just *once* by removing three characters from above the AVG message. And as much as you may not want to believe it, there have been and still are (as far as I know) people subscribed to TB lists who do pay for their bandwidth by the byte/KB. At any rate, the point is that you are violating list rules. I didn't even send you an official moderation message as you were doing most of it right. To show you why the cutmark issue is important, I did not remove your sig manually, so below is what everyone who replies to your messages has to cut out by hand. If you wish to continue this, please do so at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- groeten, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: Who Are You | The Who - Love Is Coming Down No, no, I'm not his friend. I'm his wife. The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Stock news: Weight Watchers gains considerably. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Leif, @20-Jan-2005, 14:31 -0700 (20-Jan 21:31 UK time) Leif Gregory [LG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Cees: C apparently it does. why is that my fault? I'd say that The Bat! C should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most C emailprograms as I remember LG You'll get no argument from me that TheBat should handle it better. LG However it doesn't and that's why *you* need to take care of it. This LG is the point and only the point I was modding you on. Just to pick you up *right* there my friend, there is an extremely good reason why TB does it the way it does it and why it is not wrong. Far from it. It is absolutely correct. Imagine a digest with multiple messages and multiple signatures. TB *has* to consider only the final cutmark otherwise all text below the first cutmark would be displayed using the signature font / style / colour (which in my instance is grey). Digests become hard to read and hard to reply to. I felt this issue should be made a little more clear on the list and, as you say, further replies to the list mods address. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpuyj0tyInt3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
N jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 08:26, it seems you wrote: As read below in my prior message. TB! doesn't focus on John Doe home users in the first way but advanced home users and semiprofessionalls. And they will use IMAP more and more often. N A lot of companies use at work an Exchange server, so the Outlook N it's a very important tool for work. Outlook has a lot of known N bugs and problems with malware. That's why they should improve the Exchange support. N I think full support of Exchange (Contacts, Calendar, mails, public N folders) on TB! will add a lot of users to the pool. These N improvements should be a lot of hours of work so It need a big N study before starting it. I agree with you observation. A lot of things must be improved so that TB! may aspire to be a substitute for MSOutlook. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Someday you'll look back on this and laugh. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
C Is this ALL that is bothering you? I'd say that the way people C address each other is a way more important item to follow. And C please don't come with the argument of message sizes. LG Primarily it's messy. When someone replies to your messages, they LG must manually cut out your topmost signature. Don't you think it's Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. LG And as much as you may not want to believe it, there have been and LG still are (as far as I know) people subscribed to TB lists who do LG pay for their bandwidth by the byte/KB. You're being demagog. LG To show you why the cutmark issue is important, I did not remove LG your sig manually, so below is what everyone who replies to your LG messages has to cut out by hand. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Farfignewton.. the cookie of the stars.. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Goncalo, On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, at 23:33:53 [GMT +] (which was 4:33 PM where I live) you wrote: GF Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. Netiquette exists for the same reason it's considered impolite to eat mashed potatoes with your hands. The adults learned that, the children still don't get it. If someone is either too impolite to follow netiquette, or still can't seem to figure it out even after tons of help, then I'm sorry, but they aren't staying around on my list. GF You're being demagog. Has nothing to do with trying to gain power. I already have it, always did. That kind of happens when your the creator of something. What matters is wielding that power for the greater benefit of all involved. There's a great number of subscribers on this list who I consider family, and I try to run the lists like I run my household. If someone's tracking mud in my house, they're gonna be in trouble. :-) It's the primary reason the TB lists are consistently lauded as the best run lists on the internet. We run these list because we have great pride in them being the best not because we like the abuse. GF No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that GF really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. Lost me... At any rate, long as people follow the rules, I'm a happy god, err. mod. Kinda tricky when there is only one letter difference.. grin -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F A sucking chest wound is nature's way of saying slow down. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 10:32:41 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) Good answer, and good signature! , Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translating your signature per http://translation2.paralink.com/ provides the following: Respect Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
1/20/2005 9:41 PM Hi Goncalo, Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. You're being demagog. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. I believe this list existed before you joined it. Since that is the case you have two choices: Accept the rules of the list or leave the list. Your disrespectful comments are becoming overbearing and totally out of place. -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k Pro 5.00.2195 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
GF You're being demagog. LG Has nothing to do with trying to gain power. I already have it, LG always did. That kind of happens when your the creator of LG something. What matters is wielding that power for the greater I never meant it had anything to do with gaining power. Good for you if you feel powerful. Noun: demagog 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience I meant it because of your concern with people paying for dl'ed info. We're talking about a few extra bytes, not a huge amount of data. GF No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that GF really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. LG Lost me... As you may see, all my replies are justified (ALT+J). People that don't have the 'correct' delimiter give an extra work only to those who actually reply to their comments. LG At any rate, long as people follow the rules, I'm a happy god, LG err. mod. Kinda tricky when there is only one letter difference.. LG grin Quoting Dierk Haasis (1949378823.20050118105056): As I always say, smileys don't make it better. :)) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias I am not arguing with you; I am telling you. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
PVN 1/20/2005 9:41 PM PVN Hi Goncalo, You're being demagog. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. PVN I believe this list existed before you joined it. Since that is PVN the case you have two choices: Accept the rules of the list or PVN leave the list. Your disrespectful comments are becoming PVN overbearing and totally out of place. I can't see any disrespect in saying that someone is trying to appeal to passions and prejudices. Maybe I lost my sensibility. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias We can't afford to die here...not even once Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Goncalo, On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, at 04:11:56 [GMT +] (which was 9:11 PM where I live) you wrote: GF Noun: demagog GF 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience Aren't semantics great? Merriam Webster: Noun: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power The next time you decide to hang a characterization on someone, you might want to make sure you actually know what it is your calling them. One of the reasons for list rule B.3. Isn't it really neat how all these rules seem to define a polite list. Now if people just abided by them, then we wouldn't need moderators. GF I meant it because of your concern with people paying for dl'ed GF info. We're talking about a few extra bytes, not a huge amount of GF data. Yeah, it's kinda like that whole straw that broke the camels back thing. Really, the only reason I brought it up as because he said not to. If you really care about it take a look at the archives. There's a pretty long thread concerning the whole subject and it was even participated in by those people who paid by the byte/KB. GF Quoting Dierk Haasis (1949378823.20050118105056): GF As I always say, smileys don't make it better. :)) It wasn't meant to be a nice message. When you jump on a moderator for making a moderatorial decision you're essentially saying the rules don't matter. In the long history of these lists, only one person has ever gotten banned. He didn't agree with the list rules either. We're still here, he's not. If you don't like the list rules, you can go elsewhere. There's many other lists that might cater more to your liking. You could probably even top-post if you really wanted to. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. See I can do this too. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Greg Strong wrote: Respect I believe that would be WITH Respect. :-) -- Keith Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 19-Jan-2005 at 01:57 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: The growing number of novice users will laugh at TB! and deinstall it as quick as you say 'hello' if they see all the nice and playfull stuff but realize that major functions just ... *ahem* ... don't work. One _BIG_ address: IMAP, IMAP, IMAP. Doesn't concern me at all. I'm a private home user. Why would I need IMAP? And for the average Joe User, I bet that he'll be a POP3 user just as well. And TB is a superb POP3 client. And especially the growing number of novice users will look for an client which works correctly and doesn't produce one exception after another, won't they? Oh come on PLEASE... you're sounding as if the program would crash every other minute, and thats not true. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I throw a spear into the dark. That is intuition. Then I have to send an expedition into the jungle to find the way of the spear. That is logic. -- Ingmar Bergman Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hallo Alexander, On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:30:24 +0100GMT (19-1-2005, 12:30 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ASK And TB is a superb POP3 client. Sure is. And especially the growing number of novice users will look for an client which works correctly and doesn't produce one exception after another, won't they? ASK Oh come on PLEASE... you're sounding as if the program would crash every ASK other minute, and thats not true. Can't remember encountering one this year. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows '95 = Mac O/S '84 The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpsGUVN2Vjrh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Guten Tag Alexander, am Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2005 um 12:30 schrieben Sie: Doesn't concern me at all. I'm a private home user. Why would I need IMAP? And for the average Joe User, I bet that he'll be a POP3 user just as well. And TB is a superb POP3 client. Oh. Ok. RITlabs announces IMAP and advertises it as a built-in feature since v2. It never worked as it should, but because /you/ don't need it, it just doesn't matter. Right? Btw: the avarage Joe User used, uses and will use clients like Outlook Express, Thunderbird and Pegasus. Why? Because he hasn't to pay for them and he has no use of the full featured items like special filtersystems and so on - but HTML-editors for the nice colored christmas-card for his colleagues. Oh. Wait... i remember. That's one of the things, that TheBat! doesn't handle in a useable way either... damn ;-) TheBat! focuses on (semi)professionall users with it features, lookfeel, etc. - not on John Doe homeusers who want to send funpics all two to three days. Oh come on PLEASE... you're sounding as if the program would crash every other minute, and thats not true. Use IMAP and AVs as well as exceptions are your dialy business. But I know. You don't need it so it doesn't count :-) And PS: TB! already was a superb pop3-Client in v1 which you now get for free on many magazine-CDs. You need neither v2 nor v3 therefor. Reasons for v2 (an v3 again - you remember?) were NFS and IMAP. NFS seems to work now. IMAP got (much) better but still needs a lot of fixing and improving. regards, Michael -- Wer sein Herz verschenkt, darf sich nicht wundern, wenn er Kreislaufbeschwerden bekommt. pgpXfC7rivKDf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 19-Jan-2005 at 12:49 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: Doesn't concern me at all. I'm a private home user. Why would I need IMAP? And for the average Joe User, I bet that he'll be a POP3 user just as well. And TB is a superb POP3 client. Oh. Ok. RITlabs announces IMAP and advertises it as a built-in feature since v2. It never worked as it should, but because /you/ don't need it, it just doesn't matter. Right? Please don't drag this out of the context. I was talking about novice users, which I understand are private home users (mostly), and those won't use or need IMAP as often as pro/business users, if at all. Someone correct me if this assumption is wrong. TheBat! focuses on (semi)professionall users with it features, lookfeel, etc. - not on John Doe homeusers who want to send funpics all two to three days. And I am glad about this, but do you expect Ritlabs to make a living out of supporting that existing and rather small user base? Oh come on PLEASE... you're sounding as if the program would crash every other minute, and thats not true. Use IMAP and AVs as well as exceptions are your dialy business. But I know. You don't need it so it doesn't count :-) You're taking this discussion onto a personal and ironic level, why? Is there really the need for this? The license fees, summed up for v1 + v2 + v3, are something like $70 maybe (in the past 3 years for me, much longer for others), is this *really* worth to make so much noise each and every time the were is the next update topic comes up? Why don't you send your complaints directly to Ritlabs if you're so unhappy? TB! already was a superb pop3-Client in v1 which you now get for free on many magazine-CDs. You need neither v2 nor v3 therefor. Reasons for v2 (an v3 again - you remember?) were NFS and IMAP. Well, for you maybe. For me, reason for v2 was the better built-in PGP v8 support with PGP/MIME, the plugin system, Virtual Folders... the reason for v3 was the NFS with common filters. And btw., the reason for each and every version and every paid update for me was, in the end (after a bit of public ranting when the next unexpected paid update arrived, I admit I am human), the belief that supporting a small independent company with a good product that costs an IMHO absolutely neglectable license fee is a good idea in those rotten times we live in. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) All the strength and force of man comes from his faith in things unseen. -- J. F. Clark Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
ASK Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, ASK on 19-Jan-2005 at 01:57 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: And especially the growing number of novice users will look for an client which works correctly and doesn't produce one exception after another, won't they? ASK Oh come on PLEASE... you're sounding as if the program would crash every ASK other minute, and thats not true. It doesn't crash because it looks like it was built with a borland compiler but those AV's really are of concern. :) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Praise a wife but remain a bachelor. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Goncalo, On Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 20:47:22 GMT + (which was 21:47:22 where I live), Goncalo Farias wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of Update on the Status of Software: It doesn't crash because it looks like it was built with a borland compiler but those AV's really are of concern. :) ..hhh..I'm heavily using TB Beta versions since at least 3 months on a daily base and the number of AV's can be counted on the fingers of one hand ..but I have to admit that I never used IMAP...;-) -- Best regards, Dick ___ Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never cease to be amused. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
ASK Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, ASK on 19-Jan-2005 at 12:49 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: TheBat! focuses on (semi)professionall users with it features, lookfeel, etc. - not on John Doe homeusers who want to send funpics all two to three days. ASK And I am glad about this, but do you expect Ritlabs to make a ASK living out of supporting that existing and rather small user ASK base? Do you have numbers or is it a wild guess? ASK The license fees, summed up for v1 + v2 + v3, are something like ASK $70 maybe (in the past 3 years for me, much longer for others), ASK is this *really* worth to make so much noise each and every time I agree with everybody that complaints about real problems. TheBat has problems so I think it's legitimate to complaint. It's not really a matter if the product is cheap or expensive, it a matter if it works correctly or not and if Ritlabs is doing what has to be done to correct the flaws. ASK the were is the next update topic comes up? Why don't you send ASK your complaints directly to Ritlabs if you're so unhappy? It's good to know that you're not alone. ASK And btw., the reason for each and every version and every paid ASK update for me was, in the end (after a bit of public ranting when ASK the next unexpected paid update arrived, I admit I am human), the ASK belief that supporting a small independent company with a good ASK product that costs an IMHO absolutely neglectable license fee is ASK a good idea in those rotten times we live in. Overall I'm happy with the product and I believe most people complain is too. But we could be happier... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Morbid A higher offer. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
DH Hello Goncalo, DH On Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 20:47:22 GMT + (which was DH 21:47:22 where I live), Goncalo Farias wrote and made these valuable DH points on the subject of Update on the Status of Software: It doesn't crash because it looks like it was built with a borland compiler but those AV's really are of concern. :) DH ..hhh..I'm heavily using TB Beta versions since at least DH 3 months on a daily base and the number of AV's can be counted on DH the fingers of one hand DH ..but I have to admit that I never used IMAP...;-) Nor Exchange support I believe. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias RoBo in the hands of Dumbo cd. be ho,ho,ho!! Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Alexander, Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2005, 18:38: Please don't drag this out of the context. I was talking about novice users, which I understand are private home users (mostly), and those won't use or need IMAP as often as pro/business users, if at all. Someone correct me if this assumption is wrong. As read below in my prior message. TB! doesn't focus on John Doe home users in the first way but advanced home users and semiprofessionalls. And they will use IMAP more and more often. TheBat! focuses on (semi)professionall users with it features, lookfeel, etc. - not on John Doe homeusers who want to send funpics all two to three days. And I am glad about this, but do you expect Ritlabs to make a living out of supporting that existing and rather small user base? Do you expect John Does to buy something they could get for free and use more easily? I showed much people TB! because I don't like OE, Pegasus, etc. - but they won't use it. To high integrated, to uneasy to use, to overloaded AND no good HTML-Support ;-) Use IMAP and AVs as well as exceptions are your dialy business. But I know. You don't need it so it doesn't count :-) You're taking this discussion onto a personal and ironic level, why? Is there really the need for this? Sorry, but it seemed like your argumentation was on a level like: I don't need it so I don't care. If it's not, i appologize to you. The license fees, summed up for v1 + v2 + v3, are something like $70 maybe (in the past 3 years for me, much longer for others), is this *really* worth to make so much noise each and every time the were is the next update topic comes up? Why don't you send your complaints directly to Ritlabs if you're so unhappy? Doesn't matter whats the cost. I bought something that is not working as the selling/producing company promised = time for subsequent improvement. They promised working IMAP and the working NFS for v2 ... Now I payed for v3 (for the same features they promised/advertised in v2) - and still bugs, bugs, bugs. Don't you think I have the right for a working version? Or for example: Don't you download fixes and patches for Windows and wouldn't you complain if Microsoft says You bought what you got. We just develop the next version, no matter what problems there are in this.? No, you want Microsoft to support their product and improve it as long as it shows major issues. And that's what I want from RITlabs - working with built-in advertised features without AVs and exceptions. That's not much in my eyes. Well, for you maybe. For me, reason for v2 was the better built-in PGP v8 support with PGP/MIME, the plugin system, Virtual Folders... the reason for v3 was the NFS with common filters. But you agree, that IMAP is one of the advertised features for v2 and v3? If so, you agree that the customer expects this features to work. And you agree that the customers wants fixes for not working functions in the first line - not new gaming gimmicks. That smiley-stuff is fun if you send emails to people how also use TB! and perhaps use your own smilies - no question. But there are things of higher priority. And btw., the reason for each and every version and every paid update for me was, in the end (after a bit of public ranting when the next unexpected paid update arrived, I admit I am human), the belief that supporting a small independent company with a good product that costs an IMHO absolutely neglectable license fee is a good idea in those rotten times we live in. As I said in another message on this topic: I put a good face on the matter and also bought v3 because I did not want to see TheBat! dying. But everything has its limits. regards Michael -- Filmgesetz 104: Bevor ein Computer (wegen Überlastung) explodiert, beginnt er, sich in ihrer Frequenz und ihrem Abstand zueinander ändernde Piepstöne abzugeben. http://www.spreadfirefox.com pgpn8QLiQeHMb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Richard Wakeford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ethan, On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EJM I've noticed all is quiet at this time. Is there any anticipated EJM time line for the next beta? Reminds me of holiday trips when we were children. Are we there yet? every five minutes. It's not Open Source project Richard. You can't say it will be done when it's done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! -- Best Regards, Vilius umskas LNK TV system administrator http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 9:02:16, Vilius umskas wrote: It's not Open Source project Richard. You can't say it will be done when it's done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Standard reply in Borland and Opera newsgroups (and probably at other developers, too) to When's the next version coming out? is WIR - When It's Ready. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] Speak softly and own a big, mean Doberman. -- Dave's Rule of Street Survival Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Vilius! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 9:02:16 AM you wrote: All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Expectations, expectations ... Sure, I haven't read many license agreements lately but, is support and answers actually what we pay for? Many big corporations offer support plans, where you have to pay extra for support. The same corporations and many lesser one, too, ask you to pay for upgrades, sometimes even updates. Yes, it would be nice to get at least rough estimates and the occasional we are listening from RITLabs, but are we entitled to get it? Anticipating the flurry of messages with the argument, yeah, but *that's* service for you: If the service isn't to my taste I don't leave a tip, if the food isn't to my taste I don't come back.* *This is an analogy, a metaphor, so try to understand it. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request If it don't kill you, it just makes you stronger. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Jernej Simoncic [EMAIL PROTECTED] ra: On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 9:02:16, Vilius umskas wrote: It's not Open Source project Richard. You can't say it will be done when it's done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Standard reply in Borland and Opera newsgroups (and probably at other developers, too) to When's the next version coming out? is WIR - When It's Ready. I don't expect new version. I expect bugs to be fixed. Bugs that populated bugtraq almost 2 years now. Such as IMAP bugs, TLS/SSL bugs, dozen of interface bugs (?!) -- Vilius Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hallöchen Dierk, Tuesday, January 18, 2005 @ 9:48:13 AM: Sure, I haven't read many license agreements lately but, is support and answers actually what we pay for? Many big corporations offer support plans, where you have to pay extra for support. The same corporations and many lesser one, too, ask you to pay for upgrades, sometimes even updates. Don't compare apples and oranges. The support contracts you mention don't apply to support like bugfixes or neccessary improvements to finish the products as they were sold. Theses contracts include additional or enhanced support like special telephonsupport, 24h replacements, etc.pp. Nothing we are talking about right now. Yes, it would be nice to get at least rough estimates and the occasional we are listening from RITLabs, but are we entitled to get it? Yepp, 'cause we paid for a working product with every promised function in it. And the product we got does neither work as it should nor has every promised fuction working. So we have a legal claim for subsequent improvement - even in Russia/Moldova or where ever RITlabs sits. But that doesn't count either - at least for German customers. They bought TheBat! normally via element5 and so German law applies. Michael -- Erwerbsregel #1 Hast Du erstmal ihr Geld, gibst Du es niemals wieder zurück. A Browser You can Trust: www.spreadfirefox.com pgpgEuqrX0hFa.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Jernej Simoncic [EMAIL PROTECTED] ra: On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 9:02:16, Vilius umskas wrote: It's not Open Source project Richard. You can't say it will be done when it's done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and answers! Standard reply in Borland and Opera newsgroups (and probably at other developers, too) to When's the next version coming out? is WIR - When It's Ready. By the way. When I ask something Novell support, they release free patch for their software. When I ask something a RedHat they explain how it to be fixed. Even when I ask something at MS support, they explain how to avoid a problem, or give me a KB article number, or something else. But I get a _response_. RITLabs is just ignoring most of the customers. And this is rude. -- Vilius Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Vilius, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] V You can't say it will be done when it's V done. All we (almost) paid for this product, and we expect support and V answers! I made the comment because the same person has asked the same question on a regular basis, that's all. Yes, we are all waiting for a newer version but I seem to remember (I've deleted the original) that the developers said it was being put back until the New Year so one would assume it's due fairly soon so just be patient. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.2.10 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE pgprjyNTDT3oi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Halli hallo Vilius, Tuesday, January 18, 2005 @ 9:54:12 AM: I don't expect new version. I expect bugs to be fixed. Bugs that populated bugtraq almost 2 years now. Such as IMAP bugs, TLS/SSL bugs, dozen of interface bugs (?!) Totally agreed and supported! And to get this straight: I won't buy any new version, won't pay for a brand new v4 unless major bugs are fixed in v3. RITlabs cheated their customers for over a year with their unfair v2 game and then releasing v3 with costs. Not this time - that's for sure. I put a good face on the matter and also bought v3 because I did not want to see TheBat! dying and RITlabs promised (again?) to focus back on stable versions, finishing what they began and so on. Until now - I don't see anything of this. And it's been nearly five months since v3 was released... It seems that RITlabs needs to be rapped on the knuckles! Michael -- Filmgesetz 25: Obwohl man im 20. Jahrhundert Waffen auf Kilometer exakt ins Ziel lenken kann, wird diese Technologie bis zum 23. Jhd. auf mysteriöse Art und Weise in Vergessenheit geraten. A Browser You can Trust: www.spreadfirefox.com pgpMHl71zzqeF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Richard! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 10:00:15 AM you wrote: it's due fairly soon so just be patient. Which reminds me of one of my favourite phrases from *Star Wars*: Patience, young Jedi, patience ...! -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Everything should be as simple as possible, but not simpler. (Albert Einstein) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Michael! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 9:58:21 AM you wrote: Don't compare apples and oranges. First of all: Don't tell me what to do or not to do. Then, what should I compare, apples with apples? How futile is that, you can only (informationally interesting) compare things that are decidedly not alike. In the special case we are talking about there's even a faint connection: Both sides are concerned with support of software. Although my caveat was for the last analogy in my previous post it should have shown what the idea behind any meaningful comparison is. And then, my post wasn't about (solely) about lawyers and jurisdiction but ethics, which is why I included both sides of the argument and a solution to the problem at hand. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Life is short ... if you are lucky. (Derek Leveret) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Dierk, Tuesday, January 18, 2005 @ 10:26:30 AM: Don't compare apples and oranges. First of all: Don't tell me what to do or not to do. Oh yeah. I gave you a strict military order and wanted you to jump up and down ;-) My godness... Michael -- Überall ist was am Kochen, aber nirgendwo ist was im Topf. A Browser You can Trust: www.spreadfirefox.com pgp2146oWuyD7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MS And to get this straight: I won't buy any new version, won't pay for a MS brand new v4 unless major bugs are fixed in v3. Calm down. No one said anything about having to pay for anything. In fact someone from RITLabs specifically said that the only /cost/ of the next version would be that of the time we'd have to wait for it. OK, it'd be nice if someone gave us the occasional update on what was happening, but they don't /have/ to; for what it's worth I don't even believe they've a moral obligation to. They're going to tell us when they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. Constantly asking are we there yet isn't going to help. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.8, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a and Universal Macro eXtender 2.1.1119 rc6 special. PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Error: Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQezU8dttnLhkydF1EQL9WgCgyMMP1qrtn69dpVw00gYz1hlbnC0An3vp 8p4k32n0wRAhr4bLnHr3HGDU =onFw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Estate Computer Systems Limited Tel: +44 (0) 1529 413131 http://www.estatecomputers.com Registered in England No 1604453 VAT No. 416 2922 63 London Office Tel: +44 (0) 20 7388 3400 LandMaster Tel: +44 (0) 1786 472625 http://www.landmaster.co.uk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Michael! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 10:28:57 AM you wrote: Don't compare apples and oranges. First of all: Don't tell me what to do or not to do. Oh yeah. I gave you a strict military order and wanted you to jump up and down ;-) As I always say, smileys don't make it better. If yours would have been a military order and you were in fact superior to me I'd have no trouble following it. Perhaps even if it was a clichéd Steiner-08/15 variant*. Now, to get this straight: You may not have realised it but it is very easy to get me upset just by giving me the impression one wants to order me around on matters of opinion. You can call me names, no problem, but don't try to tell me what to do or not on matters of opinion.** *More current ones come to mind: Abu Ghraib. **No, traffic laws are not a matter of opinion. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Education has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading. (G.M. Trevelyan) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Michael, @18-Jan-2005, 10:06 +0100 (18-Jan 09:06 UK time) Michael Schneider [MS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Vilius: I don't expect new version. I expect bugs to be fixed. Bugs that populated bugtraq almost 2 years now. Such as IMAP bugs, TLS/SSL bugs, dozen of interface bugs (?!) MS Totally agreed and supported! ... snip MS I put a good face on the matter and also bought v3 because I did not MS want to see TheBat! dying and RITlabs promised (again?) to focus back MS on stable versions, finishing what they began and so on. MS Until now - I don't see anything of this. And it's been nearly five MS months since v3 was released... It is *precisely* for this reason that they have stopped releasing software on deadline. That is incompatible with the goal of fixing bugs. MS It seems that RITlabs needs to be rapped on the knuckles! I disagree. They *have* been severely knuckle-rapped, at the time of the 3.0 release. The 3.01 release was an immense and intense bug fix release. They spent an enormous amount of time and effort collaborating with the beta team right here in fixing the worst of the bugs. Many bugs remain in IMAP and I understand that these are being worked on further. They have announced right here that their version / beta release policy has changed and that they will never again release bug-ridden versions just because marketing tell them the time is right. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgptdohCjmsP6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Michael, @18-Jan-2005, 09:58 +0100 (18-Jan 08:58 UK time) Michael Schneider [MS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Dierk: ... snip Yes, it would be nice to get at least rough estimates and the occasional we are listening from RITLabs, but are we entitled to get it? MS Yepp, 'cause we paid for a working product with every promised MS function in it. And the product we got does neither work as it MS should nor has every promised fuction working. That is not only incorrect, it is also utterly wrong. You paid for the product you had. As *every* EULA says, This product is supplied 'As Is'. MS So we have a legal claim for subsequent improvement - even in MS Russia/Moldova or where ever RITlabs sits. But that doesn't count MS either - at least for German customers. They bought TheBat! MS normally via element5 and so German law applies. There are fitness for purpose laws that may apply, but I submit to you that the BugTraq clearly explains all known shortfalls in functionality. This is public domain information, published by RITlabs that clearly documents what you should and should not expect. No other claim is made anywhere that previously stated intentions to implement form any kind of binding contract to supply anywhere but in your own mind. Unless, of course, you have it in writing, signed and dated by a legal representative of RIT. The legal position seems completely clear to me. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpDOObRYDWzL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Marck! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 12:05:45 PM you wrote: MS They bought TheBat! normally via element5 and so German law MS applies. Unless, of course, you have it in writing, signed and dated by a legal representative of RIT. The legal position seems completely clear to me. BTW, under German law Michael can only hold element5 responsible as far as they don't shift it upon the manufacturer. I haven't bought TB through e5 but other sw and I don't remember (in the sense: I haven't found it on their contracts) seeing anything remotely telling me that whatever they sell me may be crap but don't hold us responsible. Under German law the salesman has the right to improve any product he sold if the customer finds it faulty to the conditions it was sold under. If this cannot be done within reasonable effort and time (usually two tries are granted to the seller) the customer has the right to get part of the money back or return the product. The last one is usually excluded for sw (sold as is); most direct merchants, like RITLabs, iView or BreezeSystems offer trial versions and open forums to see if a program fits ones needs. I have written it in the past and I do it again: I only pay for what I get now, not for what I may perhaps, possibly get in any undefined future. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request The two shortest books in the world? Very easy: *The Complete History of Italian Heroes* and *A Survey of German Humour*. (Derek Leveret) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 4:00:15 AM, you wrote: I made the comment because the same person has asked the same question on a regular basis, that's all. Yes, we are all waiting for a newer version but I seem to remember (I've deleted the original) that the developers said it was being put back until the New Year so one would assume it's due fairly soon so just be patient. You are correct, I've asked this question on a regular basis to make a single point. Time lines are important. My basic expectation is that when a time lines is given, it will be honored. My concern is that time lines are provided in this forum and then not honored. We stared a beta cycle and jumped to a new release last time (old news). We stared a another beta cycle and we appeared to have stalled in the middle (current news). My question was a simple inquiry to find out where we are at right now. All of the answers, while interesting to read, have not answered the basic question. Thirty days have passed since my last inquiry. I'm simply asking for an update on the time line of the next new beta (next week, next month etc) or are we going directly to a new release (no yes, under consideration)? A simply inquiry which I'm sure Max will provide an answer to as he did before Christmas. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Ethan, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EJM Time lines are important. Sorry but that's rubbish in this case. It doesn't make a penny worth of difference whether they bring out the beta tomorrow or this time next week. I'm sure they're trying to get the best possible programme out to the testers or else we'll have a rehash of all the moaners coming out of the woodwork yet again for another week or two. EJM My question was a simple inquiry to find out where we are at right EJM now. And my answer was just as simple. Be patient and wait for a, hopefully, fairly bug free beta which will be released when they are ready to release it. If they promised to release it, say, tomorrow and it came out full of bugs, you'd be up in arms saying Why release a buggy version? They are trying to avoid that, it seems to me, and yet people still complain. They can't win and I pity them because they have given us a quite wonderful, IMHO, product that does 95% of what people want 95% of the time, or am I just easily satisfied? -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.2.10 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE pgpeHEBpqSUqE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software
Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 7:11:05 AM, you wrote: EJM Time lines are important. Sorry but that's rubbish in this case. It doesn't make a penny worth of difference whether they bring out the beta tomorrow or this time next week. I'm sure they're trying to get the best possible programme out to the testers or else we'll have a rehash of all the moaners coming out of the woodwork yet again for another week or two. I believe you have missed my point. As I indicated, time lines are important to me. You asked why I keep asking, I gave you a very up front and clear answer. EJM My question was a simple inquiry to find out where we are at right EJM now. And my answer was just as simple. Be patient and wait for a, hopefully, fairly bug free beta which will be released when they are ready to release it. If they promised to release it, say, tomorrow and it came out full of bugs, you'd be up in arms saying Why release a buggy version? They are trying to avoid that, it seems to me, and yet people still complain. They can't win and I pity them because they have given us a quite wonderful, IMHO, product that does 95% of what people want 95% of the time, or am I just easily satisfied? I simply don't agree. The be patient and wait routine does not work for daily business. Without time frames, things simply don't get done. In this case, I did not ask them to complete something for today or tomorrow. I simply asked for a time frame. It is a very reasonable request and provided in the spirit of a simple ask. Again, the best person to answer this question is Max and he will do so when he can. What I do find frustrating is every time one asks a simple question of this list, it simply goes over the top. Maybe a lesson is the making for me. Jerry. -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Richard! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 1:11:05 PM you wrote: And my answer was just as simple. Be patient and wait for a, hopefully, fairly bug free beta which will be released when they are ready to release it. Let me add that TB is still rather on the good side. I use a number of programmes that stay on hiatus for months and years before a new version comes out. TextPad hasn't been updated for quite some time, Agent promises and promises but rarely delivers*, Feurio has promised a v2 years ago but doesn't develop it (I asked them, they answered; it's simply not affordable). Other programmes get updated every few days or even hours. In the case of Vuescan the very timely development by the sole programmer, Ed Hamrick, didn't hold people to bash him. Whatever you do, whatever your attitude as a company, you cannot win. *v2 is a year old, still missing functionality that was promised for the initial release, now postponed to 2.1, which was promised for last spring, then last autumn, then Q4 ... -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Any attempt to define what is science is doomed to failure. (Piet Hut) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Ethan, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EJM I simply don't agree. OK, well just agree to differ. It's just that, if someone asks the question once, it's easy to ignore and just hit the delete button. After a few times it gets a bit wearing. We're all waiting of the next beta or we wouldn't all be here. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.2.10 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE pgpg5yNe1WT4R.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 1:22:31 PM you wrote: Again, the best person to answer this question is Max and he will do so when he can. Jerry, if you believe this statement, which you uttered two times now in this thread, why do you ask over and over again? -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Don't let the sad condition of the world get into the way of being happy. (Derek Leveret) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Dierk, On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DH Whatever you do, whatever your attitude as a company, you cannot win. A worldwide problem. If there's even the smallest thing to moan at there'll always be someone who'll come out from hiding and moan and then go back again. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.2.10 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE pgpw0TBouySED.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Quoting Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --snipped-- They have announced right here that their version / beta release policy has changed and that they will never again release bug-ridden versions just because marketing tell them the time is right. And to add to this thread... RITLabs has agreed to a proposal Dierk Haasis and I submitted regarding the re-write and updating of the Help text. Currently, Dierk and I are busy reformatting, redesigning, and rewriting. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 -- IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: Effective January 1, 2005, this email address will be discontinued. The new email address is: D (dot) Hays (at) haysdesign (dot) com Please make adjustments accordingly. The new address is available immediately -- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Dennis! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 6:46 AM, you wrote: Quoting Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --snipped-- They have announced right here that their version / beta release policy has changed and that they will never again release bug-ridden versions just because marketing tell them the time is right. And Dennis Hays then said: And to add to this thread... RITLabs has agreed to a proposal Dierk Haasis and I submitted regarding the re-write and updating of the Help text. Currently, Dierk and I are busy reformatting, redesigning, and rewriting. Wow! What an excellent public announcement! It adds emphasis to the need for patience cited also by Richard Wakeford and by Dierk, and, by implication, by you, Dennis. Other needs--and wishes--by TB! users are, I am confident, being addressed in the same way, quietly, behind the scenes. I have seen comments by Allie Martin, for instance, from time to time, about the work he is helping with on IMAP. I know that Marck and others help behind the scenes. Everything cannot be done in public. I seem to recall 9Val asking once--I'm paraphrasing--Would you prefer that I work on the bug or discuss things endlessly here on the list with you? We are only a little past halfway into January, 2005. The tasks the developers are addressing are really complex. Like producing a decent Help File, getting things right enough to show to us ordinary beta testers may take months, in my opinion. Patience, indeed, is a good watchword. I'm all for it!! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 7:46:04 AM, you wrote: RITLabs has agreed to a proposal Dierk Haasis and I submitted regarding the re-write and updating of the Help text. Currently, Dierk and I are busy reformatting, redesigning, and rewriting. Thank you. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Dennis, Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 6:46:04 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: RITLabs has agreed to a proposal Dierk Haasis and I submitted regarding the re-write and updating of the Help text. Currently, Dierk and I are busy reformatting, redesigning, and rewriting. IMHO an improved and more current help would definitely improve the utility of the program to both existing and new users. I'm glad to hear this! Although I speak English I am concerned about Ritlabs and TB reaching the product's market potential. Will the revised help text be available for all languages included in the International Pack? (note: see available languages in text box below) ,- [ per http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php ] | The Bat! International Pack contains localized (Chinese, Czech, Dutch, | French, German, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Spanish, | Swedish, Turkish, Ukrainian) versions of user interface for The Bat! | and spell checker dictionaries for Brazilian Portuguese, British | English, Danish, Dutch, German, French, Spanish, Iberian Portuguese, | Italian, Finnish and Swedish. You don't need to download and install | International Pack each time you download new version of The Bat! `- -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Quoting Greg Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Dennis, Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 6:46:04 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: Although I speak English I am concerned about Ritlabs and TB reaching the product's market potential. Will the revised help text be available for all languages included in the International Pack? (note: see available languages in text box below) snipped--- I cannot answer as to RITLabs intentions and production. We (Dierk and I) writing in English. Dennis -- Dennis Hays HaysDesign +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Dennis! On Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 5:07:05 PM you wrote: I cannot answer as to RITLabs intentions and production. We (Dierk and I) writing in English. Since my own command of German isn't that bad a German version may eventually crop up. But let's first go through with the most universal one .. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Don't ask what they think. Ask what they do. (Leonard Susskind) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Dierk, Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 10:23:38 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote: I cannot answer as to RITLabs intentions and production. We (Dierk and I) writing in English. Since my own command of German isn't that bad a German version may eventually crop up. I thought you were German. If I'm right, wouldn't your German be better than your English? But let's first go through with the most universal one .. Well from where I'm sitting this is a good place to start. :-) -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
