Re: Oh...WOW!

[Matt Thoene]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 10:36:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> Ok, about a zillion years ago I was in here complaining about
>wanting built-in smtp for TB. Tonight I had a straggler email come
>in from Ritlabs that was apparently sent a while ago, because it
>was announcing a new version of TB, and I already had it. However,
>when I went to look, I spotted something on the front page, which
>is weird because I normally never just go to the root, I always go
>to /the_bat. So what do I see? BatPost Oh, please tell me this
>thing plugs in smoothly for use with TB. That will totally make my
>day! Man, if TB finally allows for full html somewhere down the
>line, and if this smtp works, I'll be grinning for weeks.

I see it too...have you dl'd and tried it yet?

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BatPost

[Kurgan]

Hello tbudl,


Ah! The instructions are in another language. Can anyone tell me
how to set this thing up, or if there are English instructions? It
looks like it needs a domain entered. Does that mean my IP? Help!


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Oh...WOW!

[Kurgan]

Hello tbudl,

   Ok, about a zillion years ago I was in here complaining about
   wanting built-in smtp for TB. Tonight I had a straggler email come
   in from Ritlabs that was apparently sent a while ago, because it
   was announcing a new version of TB, and I already had it. However,
   when I went to look, I spotted something on the front page, which
   is weird because I normally never just go to the root, I always go
   to /the_bat. So what do I see? BatPost Oh, please tell me this
   thing plugs in smoothly for use with TB. That will totally make my
   day! Man, if TB finally allows for full html somewhere down the
   line, and if this smtp works, I'll be grinning for weeks.



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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Joseph N.,

In Reference to your Posting on Thursday, June 13 2002 at 07:36 PM PDT,

> Perhaps the bigger issue, and the better solution, would be the
> ability to customize the toolbar.

Bingo!!  :o)

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Re[2]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote in
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ACM> You have to use a special command to quote only selected text.

Perhaps the bigger issue, and the better solution, would be the
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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 12:12:54 PM, Markus Gloede wrote:

> Now they are telling me 'how do you know the Bat is safe?' And
> 'Outlook comes from a big and respected company, the Bat might come
> from some small bunch of hackers.'

rotflmao  Thanks, you made my day with that one.

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 3:18:02 PM, Chris Weaven wrote:

> Here here, get's my vote too.

not wanting to feel left out, add my voice as well, for reply, reply
to all and reply to sender. Haven't thought this through, but possibly
for forward, too?

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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 12:47:12 PM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote:

> The normal mail errors are Question sounds

you can change the windows question sound, and all the others it
makes. you could do them one by one and figure out which windows sound
it was (there are several which use the same sound_. you can use a theme to change all
the sounds and this would probably replace the thunk too. You could
rename a more pleasant .wav file to replace the nasty thunk sound.

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

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@14 June 2002, 18:03:30 -0700 (02:03 UK time) Paul Wilson wrote in
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> If I were not 13 months from RETIREMENT, I would be tempted to get
> certified.

I have never bothered with MS certification, just as none of the
Microsoft employees ever bother to get certification from me. That's
probably because very few of them would pass. I certainly have as long
a pedigree in this industry as Mr Gates. I may not have his success
and I certainly don't have his wealth, but I absolutely refute his
(organization's) right or ability to certify me!

Still, this is going way OT and I must insist that any replies on this
side theme shift to TBOT or off-list from here.

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Paul Wilson]

Thursday, 6/13/02, 5:52 PM

Hi Joseph,
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, at 14:35:11 [GMT -0500] (which was 12:35 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?'

JN> I haven't met an IT person yet who's heard of The Bat!  And, while MS
JN> may not have the best performing applications, giving high marks to
JN> its presence in the marketplace sounds like perfectly pitched
JN> corporate-speak to me.

We have three "I.T" people at work. They are straight out of I T
school. It seems they were only trained to deal with M$ applications.
When they have to deal with the AS400, BPCS or the Phoenix Grape
System, it turns into a kiddy zoo real fast.
They are convinced that McAfee is the ONLY virus program out there.
After a long battle we convinced them to not use outlook. They
switched to Lotus Notes which has become a clone of Outlook, not much
better.
If I were not 13 months from RETIREMENT, I would be tempted to get
certified.

 Your communication is greatly appreciated,
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Re: The Bat! Mail Fonts.

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@13 June 2002, 21:16:59 +0100 Chris Weaven wrote in
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> Maybe I'm being basic, but can I change the font used for e-mail
> messages in The Bat!

For your local / own pleasure; how you see text as you type it? Yes.
In what you send? No.

> If so, can new ones be added and if so, what folder do I need to add
> them to to make them available in The Bat!

The Bat! uses system fonts. The RTV (Rich Text Viewer - Options |
Preferences | Viewer) is able to use any installed font. The FWV and
the Editor Preferences (Options | Editor Preferences | Display tab |
Change button next to "Font") can only use Fixed Width fonts.

Search the message archive (see the link in the footer below) for
Andale Mono, a popular fixed width font for which a URL has been given
many times.

> Also, is there a way of making the I capital if it's placed on it's
> own rather than a small i?

No - there is no working auto correct facility for TB.

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Re: "Watch" thread?

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Ben,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 4:14:48 PM, you wrote:

BK> Hi all,

BK> Is there a way to "watch" a thread in a mailing list in TB?

No, there is not. But if many of us ask for, maybe it will be added to
Version  2.0  Lets start a campaign to add next to the flag. (I used a
lot in Agent)


BK> Oh and are there any plans for TB to support Usenet in the future as
BK> Id love to use it for that too.

Me too, but from what I read it is unlikely.

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

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G> I still feel strongly that the default behavior should be, that
G> when text is selected when reply is pressed, that should only be
G> quoted. It feels natural and it free's up a function key and menu
G> entry.

G> "Less is more" in good software design.

The current implementation has history to it and surfaced in the wake
of a long, heated discussion about it. I was the one fighting for your
cause. The member (no longer with us) against our suggestion, made the
point that while using a client that supported what we want, he often
selected parts of messages for other purposes than for quoting and
would not, on many occasions, deselect the text. He would then hit
reply to see the address, url or some snippet he had copied and pasted
elsewhere, appear in his reply. A valid concern I'd say, though it
didn't really affect me with regards to how I work.

Anyway, Ritlabs implemented the feature, but in the way you have it,
as a compromise. You have to use a special command to quote only
selected text. No problem for me, as long as I can get TB! to do it. I
only wish it would also work when replying to all or when replying to
sender.

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

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@13 June 2002, 21:22:41 +0200 (20:22 UK time) Gerard wrote in
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MDP>> "Specials | Reply quoting selected text".

> I still feel strongly that the default behavior should be, that when
> text is selected when reply is pressed, that should only be quoted.

I'm coming round to that thought myself and think less of the
arguments against (accidental selection before replying). Has to go
into the wish list, I guess. Then it might be considered as a V2
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Re: BAV and S/MIME

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JN> Do those of you more experienced in the ways of the NOD BAV know
JN> whether its processing of mail could result in an alteration to
JN> file contents so that CRC checks fail for archive (ZIP) integrity,
JN> or S/MIME verification comes up 'invalid'?

I don't know about S/MIME but PGP signed messages have been fine. Also
I haven't had problems with zipped archives or other attachments.

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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

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B> Even if I could just change the sound specifically for The Bat
B> (somewhat like how Lotus Organizer allows you to), that would be a
B> step in the right direction since it's always played at least once
B> during a Fetch All and usually 2 or 3 times.

I had this problem for a while and finally traced it to a couple of my
filters that were set to delete incoming matches. When I changed this
to moving the message to trash, it stopped. I had taken part in the
thread that Januk is mentioning. The other possibility was a problem
with server connections that in one persons case was firewall related.
Disabling the firewall cured the problem. I don't remember what the
permanent solution was.

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a bit OT: Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Roel]

Hi Joseph

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:27:37 -0500GMT
   (which was 14/06/2002, 0:27 +0200GMT for me),
you wrote:

JN> good tip; thanks.

For some more info, here's the website:
http://www.a4tech.com.tw/a4techenglish/index.html

click on 'mouse' & then 'ball mouse' to see the www-11

hth :-)
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Re[2]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Joseph N.]

R> target www-11

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Roel]

Hi Adam

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:04:06 -0230GMT
   (which was 13/06/2002, 22:34 +0200GMT for me),
you wrote:

A> Download the lastest Microsoft Intellimouse drivers.  Then set a
A> button to F4.

even better: instead of buying a microsoft intellimouse, buy a target
www-11 (or better):
* half the price
* 4 buttons, 2 scrollwheels
* 2 buttons (middle & side) are fully programmable...

drawback: not everywhere available...

I've got mine for 3 years now, and it's still as good as new...
(offcourse with some cleaning every now & then)
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Re[2]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Adam wrote in
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JN>> Is there a quick and easy mouse/menu way to reply with only a
JN>> selection quoted, i.e., the same result as making a selection and then
JN>> pressing F4?

A> Download the lastest Microsoft Intellimouse drivers.  Then set a
A> button to F4.

Once in a while MS really does have a good idea. Unfortunately, I'd
have to get an Intellimouse first, instead of this no-frills Logitech,
which is as indestructible as it is noisy.

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Re: NOD32 plug in bad image error

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote in
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JR>   I've now installed the NOD32 prog, updated it & tried to
JR>   install the plug-in which I downloaded. TB! doesn't allow
JR>   me to add the plug-in -- error: bad image, cannot install
JR>   plug-in. Any suggestions?

Jan,

Simply a guess, but, if the NOD32 version you have is the trial
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NOD32 plug in bad image error

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Bat Folk.

  I've now installed the NOD32 prog, updated it & tried to
  install the plug-in which I downloaded. TB! doesn't allow
  me to add the plug-in -- error: bad image, cannot install
  plug-in. Any suggestions?

  TIA

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Re: Opera 6.04 Beta

[Peter Fjelsten]

Paddy [P],

On 13-06-2002 22:39, you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
BM>> Is it a beta? I cannot see more than version 6.03 on their homepage.

P> Yes, a public one.
P> http://people.opera.com/~windows/snapshot/o604_1120.exe

As directed by Sue Sims you should not post links to public betas outside
. In that news group you will find
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Opera 6.04 Beta (WAS: HTML MailTo, Recipient Name + Address Insertion)

[Paddy L]

Hello Britt,
Thursday, June 13, 2002, 11:05:04 AM, you wrote:


BM> Is it a beta? I cannot see more than version 6.03 on their homepage.

Yes, a public one.
http://people.opera.com/~windows/snapshot/o604_1120.exe


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Re: Deleting Mail

[Haico]

On 13-6-2002 at 20:10, Peter Meyns wrote:

Hi Peter

> In addition to Jonathan's proposals I'd recommend to compress all folders
> after deleting and purging. If you want to be _absolutely_ sure, that no
> trace of your deleted messages is left, you'd need a tool like PGP's Wipe
> feature or something like Eraser (that's what I use:
> http://www.tolvanen.com/eraser/ ).

He stopped developing it.. Someone took over and this is the
new link: http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Adam]

Hello Joseph,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 4:12:06 PM, you wrote:

JN> Is there a quick and easy mouse/menu way to reply with only a
JN> selection quoted, i.e., the same result as making a selection and then
JN> pressing F4?

Download the lastest Microsoft Intellimouse drivers.  Then set a
button to F4.

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Re: Number Of The Bat! Users.

[Marek Mikus]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Chris Weaven wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is the place to add this, but it was mentioned
> there's about 700 people on this distribution, but I was wondering if
> there was an estimated figure to how many people *Worldwide* use this
> product?
>
> I know it might not be a fair reflection, but can you also tell how
> many people have downloaded it from your site?
>
> I just thinks it's great to be using a quality product that's
> recognised Worldwide.

as I remember, in Kaspersky&Ritlabs's pressrelease about antivirus plugin
for The Bat! was mentioned over five million users world-wide :-)

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ben,

> And another vote from me  :)

And from me.

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Number Of The Bat! Users.

[Chris Weaven]

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the place to add this, but it was mentioned
there's about 700 people on this distribution, but I was wondering if
there was an estimated figure to how many people *Worldwide* use this
product?

I know it might not be a fair reflection, but can you also tell how
many people have downloaded it from your site?

I just thinks it's great to be using a quality product that's
recognised Worldwide.

Cheers,

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"Watch" thread?

[Ben Kennish]

Hi all,

Is there a way to "watch" a thread in a mailing list in TB?

Oh and are there any plans for TB to support Usenet in the future as
Id love to use it for that too.

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Re[4]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Chris Weaven]

Here here, get's my vote too.

(It's great to be using The Bat! rather than Outlook 2000!)

Chris Weaven

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Original message received from Ben Kennish on 13/06/02

BK> Hi Joseph,

BK> On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 8:32:00 PM, you wrote:

JN>> A second enthusiastic vote here.  My newsreader (Xnews) operates that
JN>> way, and it all works very smoothly.  If nothing in particular is
JN>> selected, then it's all quoted.  Should be like that here, too.

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The Bat! Mail Fonts.

[Chris Weaven]

Hi,

Maybe I'm being basic, but can I change the font used for e-mail
messages in The Bat!

If so, can new ones be added and if so, what folder do I need to add
them to to make them available in The Bat!

Also, is there a way of making the I capital if it's placed on it's
own rather than a small i?

Thanks,

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Re[2]: Flying tray icon

[Ben Kennish]

Hi Peter,

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 10:38:52 AM, you wrote:

PP> For exactly the situation you described I _do_ use 'Mail ticker' :-)

Nice idea.  Only I have disabled the Mail Ticker and can't get it to
work properly.  I have set "Display MailTicker" to "Automatically" but
mail that is coming into my Inbox is not causing the mail ticker to be
displayed (even though the inbox does have "Show unread messages on
MailTicker selected)

Hmmm  :S

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Re[4]: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Britt Malka]

Dear Joseph,
 


Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 9:35:11 PM you wrote:


JN> I haven't met an IT person yet who's heard of The Bat!

Really? It is very well known among IT persons here in France. They
are fed up with virus' and worms, and they don't have much confidence
in the "security" in Microsoft products.

I am sorry - I thought this was the case everywhere, except in
Denmark, where The Bat! is only known among the intellectual, the
students and a few others :-)

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, June 13, 2002, 9:35:11 PM, you wrote:
JN> I haven't met an IT person yet who's heard of The Bat!  And, while MS
JN> may not have the best performing applications, giving high marks to
JN> its presence in the marketplace sounds like perfectly pitched
JN> corporate-speak to me.

Hi Joseph,
My ISP, Demon which is a big one in the UK and other parts of Europe, use
TB!. No wonder I use them ;-)

Supporting TB! direct and in-direct!

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Re[3]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Ben Kennish]

Hi Joseph,

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 8:32:00 PM, you wrote:

JN> A second enthusiastic vote here.  My newsreader (Xnews) operates that
JN> way, and it all works very smoothly.  If nothing in particular is
JN> selected, then it's all quoted.  Should be like that here, too.

And another vote from me  :)

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Gerard [G],

On 13-06-2002 21:22, you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

G> I still feel strongly that the default behavior should be, that when
G> text is selected when reply is pressed, that should only be quoted.

I agree 100%

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Re[3]: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Britt Malka wrote in
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BM>  It sounds like they know
BM> nothing about I.T.

I haven't met an IT person yet who's heard of The Bat!  And, while MS
may not have the best performing applications, giving high marks to
its presence in the marketplace sounds like perfectly pitched
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Re[2]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Gerard wrote in
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G> I still feel strongly that the default behavior should be, that when
G> text is selected when reply is pressed, that should only be quoted.

A second enthusiastic vote here.  My newsreader (Xnews) operates that
way, and it all works very smoothly.  If nothing in particular is
selected, then it's all quoted.  Should be like that here, too.

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, June 13, 2002, 8:45:35 PM, you wrote:

MDP> "Specials | Reply quoting selected text".

I still feel strongly that the default behavior should be, that when
text is selected when reply is pressed, that should only be quoted.
It feels natural and it free's up a function key and menu entry.

"Less is more" in good software design.

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Joseph,
On Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 13:42:06 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

JN> Is there a quick and easy mouse/menu way to reply with only a
JN> selection quoted, i.e., the same result as making a selection and
JN> then pressing F4?

Do you mean mouse only? Then you have to use the menu as indicated in
the other messages.

Or you can press SHIFT while clicking the reply button.

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Ravindra Maharaj]

> Is there a quick and easy mouse/menu way to reply with only a
> selection quoted, i.e., the same result as making a selection and then
> pressing F4?

Use the menu entry:

Specials --> Reply quoting selected text.


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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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> Is there a quick and easy mouse/menu way to reply with only a
> selection quoted, i.e., the same result as making a selection and then
> pressing F4?

"Specials | Reply quoting selected text".

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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Blarp]

Hi Julian,

JBL> !13/06/2002, 16:41:17: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is:

Yeah I've seen that a few times. TB never reports what the server
error is. HOWEVER, I'm still getting that annoying beep even with no
errors in the log.

JBL> I think that other mailers tend to have a longer timeout (Outlook uses
JBL> 1 minute) - TB is just 30 seconds, which can be a bit slow on busy
JBL> servers.

Definitely too short.

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Mouse variant of F4?

[Joseph N.]

Is there a quick and easy mouse/menu way to reply with only a
selection quoted, i.e., the same result as making a selection and then
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BAV and S/MIME

[Joseph N.]

Do those of you more experienced in the ways of the NOD BAV know
whether its processing of mail could result in an alteration to file
contents so that CRC checks fail for archive (ZIP) integrity, or
S/MIME verification comes up 'invalid'?

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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Blarp]

Hi Julian,

JBL> The normal mail errors are Question sounds - I hear them regularly
JBL> during the day, because my ISP's mail servers often respond slower
JBL> than TB's time out.  You cannot adjust the timeout.

Shoot, that's it then. The stop sound on my setup is the same (for
some reason) as the Windows Question sound. You're right, it is the
question sound then so it could be a mail server error of some sort.

Does TB keep any detailed logs of SMTP/POP3 activity? The FETCH is not
very informative.

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Re: Deleting Mail

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Andy,

on Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:14:26 -0400GMT (13.06.02, 19:14 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

AF> When I delete an email or an attachment from a folder, what happens to
AF> it?  How is it removed from my hard disk?

In addition to Jonathan's proposals I'd recommend to compress all folders
after deleting and purging. If you want to be _absolutely_ sure, that no
trace of your deleted messages is left, you'd need a tool like PGP's Wipe
feature or something like Eraser (that's what I use:
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Re[2]: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Britt Malka]

Dear Markus,

 



Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 7:12:54 PM you wrote:


MG> Now they are telling me 'how do you know the Bat is safe?' And 'Outlook comes
MG> from a big and respected company, the Bat might come from some small bunch
MG> of hackers.' I'm really miffed (to put it lightly).

Are you sure those people are payed workers? It sounds like they know
nothing about I.T.

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Re[2]: HTML MailTo, Recipient Name + Address Insertion

[Britt Malka]

Dear Paddy,


Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 6:41:04 PM you wrote:


PL> I am using 6.04.1120.

Is it a beta? I cannot see more than version 6.03 on their homepage.

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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 6:16:16 PM, Blarp wrote:

> FWIW, I am running a firewall (Tiny Personal) and it's never caused
> problems with apps before. There are no filters in place that delete
> messages. It is definitely the Windows "Stop" or "error" sound (thunk).

The normal mail errors are Question sounds - I hear them regularly
during the day, because my ISP's mail servers often respond slower
than TB's time out.  You cannot adjust the timeout.

> Even if I could just change the sound specifically for The Bat
> (somewhat like how Lotus Organizer allows you to), that would be a
> step in the right direction since it's always played at least once
> during a Fetch All and usually 2 or 3 times.

You could submit it as a bug - there is obviously something wrong, so
TB should tell you want it is. Maybe one of the developers will know
what events generate these warnings. The URL of the Bug Report site is
at the bottom of this message.

Are you sure that it is TB generating the sound, and not some other
application that TB is affecting?

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Re: prev/next messages

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Marck,

on Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:58:41 +0100GMT (13.06.02, 16:58 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>> Is there a way to move to the Prev/Next message (sorted by received
>> time if that matters) via a hotkey or menu entry?

MDP> Ctrl-Up/Down will do that. Also Ctrl-]/[ will navigate you through
MDP> unread messages.

For anglo-saxon keyboards this may be true. It doesn't work on my german
one. I get the next unread message with ctrl + right arrow. It has been
like that from my beginning with 1.49... I never saw it documented
anywhere. Btw. on my keyboard ctrl + ] would mean to type ctrl + right alt
key + 9.

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Re: Deleting Mail

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Andy Fluke wrote...

> When I delete an email or an attachment from a folder, what happens to
> it?  How is it removed from my hard disk?  I've dug through TheBat
> help file but if the answer is there I missed it.

I think initially it is flagged for deletion, and then gets hidden
from the main view, but you can display them again by going to "Folder
- Browse Deleted Messages".  IIRC, when you purge the folders, it then
removes those deleted messages, possibly by reading the database of
messages, and deleting the message, as for attachments that are
separate, I have no idea.

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Re: Deleting Mail

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Andy.

At 1:14 PM on Thursday, June 13, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Deleting Mail]:

AF> When I delete an email or an attachment from a folder,
AF> what happens to it? How is it removed from my hard disk?
AF> I've dug through TheBat help file but if the answer is
AF> there I missed it.

  I believe it first goes to your trash folder in TB! & when
  that is emptied it is deleted from your hard disk,
  bypassing the recycle bin.

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Re[2]: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Bill Blinn, Technology Editor]

It seems that Markus Gloede said ...

M> Now they are telling me 'how do you know the Bat is safe?' And 'Outlook comes
M> from a big and respected company, the Bat might come from some small bunch
M> of hackers.' I'm really miffed (to put it lightly).

Yeah. Outlook, which one of the Toronto newspapers termed "LookOut!" a
few years ago during one of the (many) virus attacks that spread
through Outlook users faster than a wildfire through a California
condominium complex. Hand them a small amount of money and tell them
they can buy a small clue. It won't be much of a clue, but it will be
better than what they have now.


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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Blarp]

Hi Julian,

JBL> It was discussed in a thread during May.  Try searching for the thread
JBL> called "Turn off the bleeping beep" in the TBUDL Archives.

I searched the thread in the archives and the only thing I could find
that might apply was a reference to changing the POP3 access timeout
(but I couldn't find the message that said how to do this).

FWIW, I am running a firewall (Tiny Personal) and it's never caused
problems with apps before. There are no filters in place that delete
messages. It is definitely the Windows "Stop" or "error" sound (thunk).

Even if I could just change the sound specifically for The Bat
(somewhat like how Lotus Organizer allows you to), that would be a
step in the right direction since it's always played at least once
during a Fetch All and usually 2 or 3 times.

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Markus Gloede wrote...

> Thank you, these were also my suggestions. I also suggested changing the
> welcome banner (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q303513).

Another good idea... if they don't know what they're accessing, they
cannot research weaknesses ;)

> Now they are telling me 'how do you know the Bat is safe?' And
> 'Outlook comes from a big and respected company, the Bat might come
> from some small bunch of hackers.' I'm really miffed (to put it
> lightly).

Erm... take a look at any of the last 50 viruses that have hit the
news... what email client to they specifically target?  Plus, if the
firewall was setup correctly, having a worm on the inside of the
network shouldn't really matter, as it shouldn't be able to get out...
along with a centralized virus scanning system... and you have no
problems.  Plus, I think if TB! was a threat, they'd have been shut
down... ;)

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Deleting Mail

[Andy Fluke]

When I delete an email or an attachment from a folder, what happens to
it?  How is it removed from my hard disk?  I've dug through TheBat
help file but if the answer is there I missed it.

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Jonathan Angliss wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> Tell them to change the settings on the firewall to accept only known
> connections... like your LAN, unless they want external users from
> accessing the mail. POP3 is an uncommon point of entry for hackers,
> they normally try SSH, Telnet, FTP, RAS, VPN, etc. You may also maybe
> suggest moving POP3 to another port to fool most attempts.

Thank you, these were also my suggestions. I also suggested changing the
welcome banner (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q303513).

Now they are telling me 'how do you know the Bat is safe?' And 'Outlook comes
from a big and respected company, the Bat might come from some small bunch
of hackers.' I'm really miffed (to put it lightly).

Regards,

Markus
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Re: HTML MailTo, Recipient Name + Address Insertion

[Paddy L]

Hello Peter,
Thursday, June 13, 2002, 2:41:40 AM, you wrote:

PP> Hello Jernej,

PP> On Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 11:35:59 AM you wrote in
PP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

PP>>> Don't use "Use default e-mail client" in Opera if you want it to be The
PP>>> Bat! that's your primary and default e-mail client.
PP>>> It will hassle you ... earlier or later.

JS>> Why? I use this setting and it works without problems. The bug, which
JS>> was in 6.0 has been fixed...

I just changed Mozilla 1.0 to use TB! for default e-mail client. Mozilla
handles the HTML as it should. Apparently an Opera bug as you insisted.

Using Mozilla
mailto:"Paddy%20L"%20<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;>Paddy L
produces in TB!
"Paddy L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

One last question, does the addressing conform to standards or should I
remove the quotes?

Thank you for your patient help.

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Re: HTML MailTo, Recipient Name + Address Insertion

[Paddy L]

Hello Peter,
Thursday, June 13, 2002, 2:41:40 AM, you wrote:

PP> As you can see in Paddys request there seem to be something left. Or Paddy
PP> 's using an unfixed 6.0.

PP> In the latter case Paddy should update Opera and give it another try with
PP> 'Use Default' _and_ Space.

I am using 6.04.1120. I've used previous versions also with no problems
with "Use Default". I also tried "Use Specific E-Mail Client" with
various suggested parameters, to no avail.

For me, it's a tedious and slow process of trial and error. At least I
have it down to "Paddy L"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.  Will the lack of a space
between L" and <  likely cause problems?

The HTML table I will be distributing will be used by various browsers
and mailers.

Thanks.

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Re: Flying tray icon

[Nick Danger]

Subject: Flying Tray Icon
   From: Kjartan Mannes
~~

Hello Kjartan,

> Wouldn't it be possible to write a small program that shows a small tray
> icon when called from a filter? That way one could make a filter that
> calls the program and it shows the the icon. Double clicking on it will
> open TheBat! and hide the icon till the next time.

I've done just that with a program called PowerPro. Depending upon
what filter catches the mail a small (5x5 pixel) flag pops up in the
corner of my screen. Different colors for different filters.  Clicking
on them pops me to the virtual desktop where TB! is and resets the
flags.

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Markus Gloede wrote...

> our administrators are threatening to disable POP3 on our Exchange server.
> They claim they are getting to many foreign (invalid) connection attempts
> and this is slowing down the server overall.

Tell them to change the settings on the firewall to accept only known
connections... like your LAN, unless they want external users from
accessing the mail. POP3 is an uncommon point of entry for hackers,
they normally try SSH, Telnet, FTP, RAS, VPN, etc. You may also maybe
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SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

our administrators are threatening to disable POP3 on our Exchange server.
They claim they are getting to many foreign (invalid) connection attempts
and this is slowing down the server overall.

I have a hard time believing this but I'm not in the position to tell them
that there assumptions are wrong. If they really disable POP3 it would
mean that I would have to give up the Bat! and my productivity would
decrease tremendously.

Any suggestions what I can do? What can I tell the administrators? Could I
use LookOut to just fetch the mail and get it into the Bat somehow? Is
there something like an Exchange proxy client that would translate my POP3
requests to Exchange protocol?

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Markus
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Re[2]: which cleans out more space? and questions/comments

[Rick Reumann]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 10:57:40 AM, Marck wrote:


>> Also, I had my trash folders to set to compress on exit, but noticed
>> my other folders weren't on this setting. Is there way to set
>> compress all folders on exit?

MDP> This is now an account level property on the Options page - "Compress
MDP> all folders on exit".

 Cool! Never saw this option (how can you see them all.. The Bat
 has so many:)

 Thanks so much

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AVG or NOD32?

[Weaven, ChristopherX]

> Hi all,
> 
> I think the title say's it all, should I use AVG or NOD32 as my
> Anti-Virus?
> 
> I must confess, AVG seems to be working seamlessly with The Bat!, but I
> have concerns that AVG isn't as good as it could be at trapping virus's
> (although, it did catch Klez yesterday and added it to the quarantine!).
> Whereas, I here NOD32 is really good at it's job, but isn't quite as
> seamless with The Bat!
> 
> If I used NOD32, I'd like it to link in with The Bat! and scan when mails
> come in rather than on the server, but it appears there's a problem with
> the options once the plug-in is added?
> 
> Can people elaborate and help me make this decision?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris.


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Re: prev/next messages

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@13 June 2002, 15:45:27 +0100 Ravindra Maharaj wrote in
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> Is there a way to move to the Prev/Next message (sorted by received
> time if that matters) via a hotkey or menu entry?

> If you have focus on the message list, of course it's Up/Down - but
> I'd like to be able to do it while focus is on the message window.

Ctrl-Up/Down will do that. Also Ctrl-]/[ will navigate you through
unread messages.

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Re: which cleans out more space? and questions/comments

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@13 June 2002, 10:42:48 -0400 (15:42 UK time) Rick Reumann wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> shouldn't the menu item say "purge and compress"?

There is such an option.

> Also I'm not really sure what purge is. Why would you ever want to
> just compress without purging? (or vice versa if there is way to
> purge without compressing).

Purge will delete message that exceed the folders storage
specifications, i.e. if the folder is configured to keep only 400
messages then the most recent 400 are kept while the earlier messages
are purged. If the folder is restricted to keep messages for 30 days
then older messages are purged. That's what purge does.

Compress will reconstruct the folder to finally remove purged and
deleted messages (which, up to that point, have been retained but
marked as "deleted").

> Also, I had my trash folders to set to compress on exit, but noticed
> my other folders weren't on this setting. Is there way to set
> compress all folders on exit?

This is now an account level property on the Options page - "Compress
all folders on exit".

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Re: remember column settings?

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@13 June 2002, 09:41:27 -0500 (15:41 UK time) Joseph N. wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Yes.  It's precisely the kind of issue that will lead to scores of
> "lost mail" reports, which is not what the program's reputation needs
> if it's going to go after a wider audience.

Agreed.

> ... create a new folder in the new place and all is fixed. How does
> the newly created folder 'capture' the moved message base, though?

When you create a new folder where one already exists, you are
informed "There's already a folder there. Proceed?". Say yes, click
out of the folder, click into the folder and the contents refresh to
show the missing messages.

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Re: remember column settings?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 16:42, Joseph N. wrote:

> What will shift-ctrl-alt-L do?

It makes TB! search for lost folders. Only works when focus is on the
folder list pane.

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prev/next messages

[Ravindra Maharaj]

I'm sure I'm being blind here - because it must be somewhere, but I'm
not seeing it.

Is there a way to move to the Prev/Next message (sorted by received
time if that matters) via a hotkey or menu entry?

If you have focus on the message list, of course it's Up/Down - but
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which cleans out more space? and questions/comments

[Rick Reumann]

Sorry for not searching the archives I'm sure this has come up and I'm
being a jerk for not searching. Not a pressing question but just
curious does
"Purge" or "Compress" all folders clear out more space. I think purge
does a "purge and compress" and compress just compresses? If so
shouldn't the menu item say "purge and compress"?  Also I'm not really
sure what purge is. Why would you ever want to just compress without
purging? (or vice versa if there is way to purge without compressing).

Also, I had my trash folders to set to compress on exit, but noticed
my other folders weren't on this setting. Is there way to set compress
all folders on exit?

Someone's post here was about taking a long time when the message went
to the outfolder and the recommending compressing. I just compressed
all folders and wow, what a difference! Before when I would go to some
of my boxes it would take a while to see the messages sometimes. This
obviously must have been because I was daily deleting out 100s of
messages without ever compressing the main folder boxes.

Does the Bat have some kind of reminder or something? I mean your
casual user might remember to clean out the trash bin but many might
not think it's that important compress folders. Obviously it is,
however. Something should trigger the user that they should probably
compress their folders if it gets really bad. Just a thought, then
again, your average joe might not be using the Bat. Curious, does
Outlook have to do something similar? I don't remember having to
copress with OE, but then again it's been A LONG time since I've used
it.


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Re[2]: remember column settings?

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, "Marcus Ohlström" wrote in
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>> Simply creating a folder in the new position will recover the lost
>> messages, so it's not actually serious.

MO> Sounds like the good old shift-ctrl-alt-L would do the job :-)

Marcus,

What will shift-ctrl-alt-L do?

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Re[2]: remember column settings?

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in
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>> That information seems pretty critical. It ought to be emphasized in
>> some fashion to new users, like an initial splash screen or the
>> first time configuration options are changed.

MDP> ... or it should be fixed! The problem is that I've never been
MDP> masochistic enough to want put my settings through the changes and
MDP> crashes needed to analyze the affected settings to be able to submit
MDP> an effective bug report. It's clearly not supposed to be that way.


Marck,

Yes.  It's precisely the kind of issue that will lead to scores of
"lost mail" reports, which is not what the program's reputation needs
if it's going to go after a wider audience.

In another post, you mentioned that, when the interruption has
occurred in the course of moving a folder, you can create a new folder
in the new place and all is fixed.  How does the newly created folder
'capture' the moved message base, though?

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Re: remember column settings?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 16:30, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> Simply creating a folder in the new position will recover the lost
> messages, so it's not actually serious.

Sounds like the good old shift-ctrl-alt-L would do the job :-)

> It can be a shock to the unprepared tough.

True. I was egoistic enough to only think about my own security...

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Re: net telnet:// RUL function...

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Marcus Ohlström wrote...

> Even more interresting, I use the PTV and it works as it should here.
> Forgot to mention which viewer I'm using when sending my last mail to
> this thread.

Mine works fine too, and I use PTV on 1.60c.

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Re: remember column settings?

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@13 June 2002, 09:07:12 -0500 (15:07 UK time) Joseph N. wrote in
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MDP>> Some settings are only saved on exit

> That information seems pretty critical. It ought to be emphasized in
> some fashion to new users, like an initial splash screen or the
> first time configuration options are changed.

... or it should be fixed! The problem is that I've never been
masochistic enough to want put my settings through the changes and
crashes needed to analyze the affected settings to be able to submit
an effective bug report. It's clearly not supposed to be that way.

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Re: remember column settings?

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@13 June 2002, 16:08:00 +0200 (15:08 UK time) Marcus Ohlström wrote in
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> What do you mean by dangerous? Do I risk loosing more than just the
> recently made changes of the folder hierarchy ..

Yes. I have lost folder contents. If a folder has been moved then its
contents are in the new location. If the hierarchy change is lost then
the folder reappears where it was but will be empty. Simply creating a
folder in the new position will recover the lost messages, so it's not
actually serious. It can be a shock to the unprepared tough.

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Re: net telnet:// RUL function...

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 15:57, Tim Musson wrote:

> Yep, that was it, I never much liked the RTV.  Interesting bug in the
> PTV window though...  Will submit it when I get a chance.

Even more interresting, I use the PTV and it works as it should here.
Forgot to mention which viewer I'm using when sending my last mail to
this thread.

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Re: remember column settings?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 15:55, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> Some settings are only saved on exit. If TB undergoes summary
> termination (power loss, task management, crash or some such) then
> certain configuration changes may get lost. This is at its most
> dangerous when it comes to folder hierarchy changes.

What do you mean by dangerous? Do I risk loosing more than just the
recently made changes of the folder hierarchy (by recently I mean all
changes made since the last exit/restart of TB!)?

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Re[2]: remember column settings?

[Joseph N.]

   On Thursday, June 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in
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MDP> Some settings are only saved on exit. If TB undergoes summary
MDP> termination (power loss, task management, crash or some such) then
MDP> certain configuration changes may get lost. This is at its most
MDP> dangerous when it comes to folder hierarchy changes. I *always* exit
MDP> and reload whenever I make such changes.


Marck,

That information seems pretty critical.  It ought to be emphasized in
some fashion to new users, like an initial splash screen or the first time
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Re: net telnet:// RUL function...

[Tim Musson]

Hey Peter,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write the following on Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 9:16:41 AM.

TM>> double click on the telnet://10.11.12.13 line
TM>> Any one else see this?

PP> Yes. In PTV (Plain Text Viewer) I get 2 windows too. When viewing
PP> your mail in RTV a single click opened exactly one window per
PP> link.

Yep, that was it, I never much liked the RTV.  Interesting bug in the
PTV window though...  Will submit it when I get a chance.

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Re: remember column settings?

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@13 June 2002, 09:46:14 -0400 (14:46 UK time) Rick Reumann wrote in
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> Maybe I'm hallucinating, it seems to be remembering them today.
> Not sure what I had screwed up. Still if there is anything I need
> to be aware of when changing folder settings, let me know.

Some settings are only saved on exit. If TB undergoes summary
termination (power loss, task management, crash or some such) then
certain configuration changes may get lost. This is at its most
dangerous when it comes to folder hierarchy changes. I *always* exit
and reload whenever I make such changes.

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Re: TB Is Crawling

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@13 June 2002, 08:31:22 -0500 (14:31 UK time) Michael T. Ashby wrote
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> Specifically, when an e-mail is deferred to the Outbox, there is a
> delay of 15 - 30 seconds before the program responds and continues.



> Does anyone have any suggestions of how or why this is happening?

Are these outbox folders configured to "Compress on exit"? I'll bet
they are uncompressed and occupy many megabytes, all of which are
traversed, one deleted (sent) message at a time, every time a new
outbound message is saved to it.

That's my guess. Compress the outbox folders and see what happens.

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Re: remember column settings?

[Rick Reumann]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 9:41:37 AM, Rick wrote:

RR> It seems like even though I remove certain columns, each time I
RR> restart The Bat, the old columns are still present. How do I get
RR> my changes to stick? (I don't have Use the Account Folder settings
RR> checked).

Maybe I'm hallucinating, it seems to be remembering them today.
Not sure what I had screwed up. Still if there is anything I need
to be aware of when changing folder settings, let me know.

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remember column settings?

[Rick Reumann]

It seems like even though I remove certain columns, each time I
restart The Bat, the old columns are still present. How do I get my
changes to stick? (I don't have Use the Account Folder settings
checked).

TIA

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Re: AVG or NOD32?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck.

At 9:21 AM on Thursday, June 13, 2002 you wrote the
following about [AVG or NOD32?]:

MDP> [...] I personally would rather see the very small
MDP> RITlabs team concentrate on getting V2 coded and
MDP> Trend's very large team concentrate on spreading the
MDP> use of their AV product. If that means spending half a
MDP> day "filling in the blanks" in a source code template
MDP> for a plug-in, it's a good investment.

  You're right.

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TB Is Crawling

[Michael T. Ashby]

I posted to the list at the end of last week, but didn't have any
success finding solution. I have a little bit more information, so I
thought I'd take another run at the list and see if anyone has any
suggestions. :)

We have several employees all running TB 1.60q on Windows98 boxes.
Most everyone has had no problems with TB, but I have two workstations
that are giving me fits.

Specifically, when an e-mail is deferred to the Outbox, there is a
delay of 15 - 30 seconds before the program responds and continues. In
other words, when a user clicks the "Put the letter in the Outbox"
button, there is a long delay, where the program does absolutely
nothing and will not respond before the e-mail is placed in the
Outbox. Keep in mind, that the e-mail is NOT being sent immediately,
so (to my knowledge), there is no interaction with the POP3 server
that is being used to send the mail.

Since the mailboxes are stored on the server, I have added the exact
same accounts to other workstations and have not experienced any
delays whatsoever. This leads me to believe that the error is
localized to the workstation and not to any server issues.

I have un-installed TB, rebooted and re-installed TB only to have the
same delays continue.

Does anyone have any suggestions of how or why this is happening?
Unfortunately, both users receive a good bit of e-mail, so throughout
the day, these delays are driving them nuts.

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Re: AVG or NOD32?

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@13 June 2002, 09:03:01 -0400 (14:03 UK time) Jan Rifkinson wrote in
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MDP>> The AVG and Dr.Web plug ins were written by the AV
MDP>> authors themselves. Sample source code for plug-ins was
MDP>> published on the TBBETA list and if the PC-cillin
MDP>> authors want to put the effort in they could produce a
MDP>> plug in from that quite easily themselves.

>   I'm assuming RIT labs wrote the others, then. And if so,
>   how would I go about asking them to consider a PC-cillin
>   plug-in as they might be more responsive than the Trend
>   Micro folk?

It's that "responsive" thing. If they're unresponsive about developing
a plug in when given a source code template how responsive do you
think they will be about publishing or revealing the entry points into
their code to allow another software manufacturer to use them? I think
there's almost less chance of that than them developing the plug in!

Besides, I personally would rather see the very small RITlabs team
concentrate on getting V2 coded and Trend's very large team
concentrate on spreading the use of their AV product. If that means
spending half a day "filling in the blanks" in a source code template
for a plug-in, it's a good investment.

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Re: net telnet:// RUL function...

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 15:07, Tim Musson wrote:

> telnet://10.11.12.13
> file://d:\dir\file.txt

> both work, but I get 2 windows!  I double click on the telnet:// line
> and get 2 telnet sessions.  I double click on the File:// line and get
> 2 notepad's!

> Any one else see this?

Yes, when double clicking the links in the editor. If I double click in
the preview pane only one window opens though.

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Re: net telnet:// RUL function...

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Tim,

On Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 3:07:19 PM you wrote in
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TM> both work, but I get 2 windows!  I double click on the telnet:// line
TM> and get 2 telnet sessions.  I double click on the File:// line and get
TM> 2 notepad's!

TM> Any one else see this?

Yes. In PTV (Plain Text Viewer) I get 2 windows too. When viewing your mail
in RTV a single click opened exactly one window per link.
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Re: net telnet:// RUL function...

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Tim,
 
13. junij 2002, 15:07:19, you wrote:

TM> Any one else see this?

Are you using RTV or PTV? If it's RTV, you only have to click once.

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net telnet:// RUL function...

[Tim Musson]

Hey All,

I was reading "What's new in The Bat! 1.60?" and came across:

[*] More URL types added: telnet, gopher, snews and file://

So thought I would give it a try...

telnet://10.11.12.13
file://d:\dir\file.txt

both work, but I get 2 windows!  I double click on the telnet:// line
and get 2 telnet sessions.  I double click on the File:// line and get
2 notepad's!

Any one else see this?

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Re: AVG or NOD32?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck.

At 8:56 AM on Thursday, June 13, 2002 you wrote the
following about [AVG or NOD32?]:

>> Is there some way to ask RIT labs to consider a plug-in
>> for PC-cillin or how does that work?

MDP> The AVG and Dr.Web plug ins were written by the AV
MDP> authors themselves. Sample source code for plug-ins was
MDP> published on the TBBETA list and if the PC-cillin
MDP> authors want to put the effort in they could produce a
MDP> plug in from that quite easily themselves.

  I'm assuming RIT labs wrote the others, then. And if so,
  how would I go about asking them to consider a PC-cillin
  plug-in as they might be more responsive than the Trend
  Micro folk?

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Re: AVG or NOD32?

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Hi Jan,

@13 June 2002, 08:37:52 -0400 (13:37 UK time) Jan Rifkinson wrote in
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>>>   Where does one get the TB! plug-in?

>  Thanks for the URLs. Is there some way to ask RIT labs to
>  consider a plug-in for PC-cillin or how does that work?

The AVG and Dr.Web plug ins were written by the AV authors themselves.
Sample source code for plug-ins was published on the TBBETA list and
if the PC-cillin authors want to put the effort in they could produce
a plug in from that quite easily themselves.

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Re: NOD BAV

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Joseph.

At 10:07 PM on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 you wrote the
following about [NOD BAV]:

MDP>> a frenzy of false positivity

JN> Sounds like the 80's

  A very funny line. Thanks for the chuckle.

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Re: AVG or NOD32?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck.

At 8:10 PM on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 you wrote the
following about [AVG or NOD32?]:

>>   Where does one get the TB! plug-in?

 Thanks for the URLs. Is there some way to ask RIT labs to
 consider a plug-in for PC-cillin or how does that work?

 TIA

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Re: 2?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Adam wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> Is there some confusion of what decides it, this or folder template?

A folder template overrides an account template.

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Re[3]: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Britt Malka]

Dear Adam,

Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 12:32:55 PM you wrote:


A> How about the opposite? Any where I could find some good New Mail
A> sounds?

I propose you search for ".wav" with Google. There is some good places
there. Here are some of those, I use.

www.wavcentral.com

www.dailywav.com

www.wavsite.com

I don't use standard mail sounds, but quotes from films.

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Re: Palm Sync.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Rick,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60m) Personal
to write the following on Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 12:32:38 AM.

TM>>> (and in the scheme of things, the people that want to sync their
TM>>> Palm's and the TBab are a fairly small number of registered
TM>>> TBers...)

FF>> I do not know how many Palm users there are in The Bat! world,
FF>> but I would be willing to bet that there are plenty! Also, having
FF>> a Palm conduit to TB's address book gives me one more very useful
FF>> reason to recommend TB to other users. It would really help.

I agree, I want it enough to pay for it. What I meant is my guess at
the number of Palm/TB users is less than 5-10% the number of TB users.

RR> I, as well, know plenty of people that won't switch to The Bat
RR> since it doesn't synch to the Palm.

TB has 2 things that match apps on the Palm - mail and AB, so I
wouldn't say that TB doesn't sync to the Palm. It just doesn't sync
the AB.

RR> More and more people like having all their devices integrated.

I am one of them.

RR> That's one advantage Outlook
~Shudder~
RR> has in the market right now. It's very frustrating that I have one
RR> set of contacts in my palm and then another in the bat (then
RR> another in my cell phone..but that's not the Bat's fault:) and yet
RR> none of them synch with each other.

I am trying to get something coordinated, but, I don't program in
anything that would be appropriate (perl is my language), so about all
I can do is hope/push/facilitate/coordinate/whatever... 

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