Re: Opera and TB
Hello Luc! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 1:19:57 AM you wrote: DH with the new beta 2 other than the M2 internal mailer is chooseable. DH And it works with TB flawlessly. Could you expand a bit on this Dierk? Do you mean that you couldn't point the preferences to TB! in your b1? That worked fine for me. O7b1 and b1b were not complete, they, beside other things, lacked the prefs for choosing an e-mail client. That was discussed on the beta group, confirmed by various OS employees. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Message filing woes
Joseph, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 12:47:16 AM, you wrote: ND Is there a way that I can quickly file messages to a list of ND often used folders? JN Mine is easy to remember: Alt+M. When you're in a message, hit the key JN combination and a dialog box pops up. Just start typing the folder JN name. You might have to put the cursor initially at the head of the JN list or on some other appropriate place in order to quickly land on JN the right folder when you're typing. It's not perfect, but it JN works Thanks for that, certainly a lot better than anything that I came up with! Now all I need is to find a way to force TB! to keep the tree expanded in the dialog window... -- Nick Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Importing Messages from Outlook Express
Hello Thomas, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 5:40:12 AM, you wrote: TF I backup from TB. Why would you need OE to do that? Is there some setting that prevents importing duplicate messages. TF For safe-keeping, back-up your mails regularly from within TB; no need TF to download them again in order to store them in another email-progam. TF Remember, if you download them twice, you will have them twice. No TF surprise. The reason I would like to use OE to download my messages is because it comes Free with Windows 98 Second Edition and is easily configurable with Hotmail. I use Hotmail so that I can access my emails when I am travelling and I can also access my pop3 email accounts via Hotmail. What do you recommend I do so that I can access my Hotmail account via The Bat!? -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 1:41:18 AM, David Grimes wrote: Is it possible to set up a filter based on the file name of a message attachment? NAV 2002 replaces an infected attachment with a text file named Norton AntiVirus Deleted1.txt. I'd like to create a filter for them. That name must appear somewhere in the text or kludges, I'd think ... have you tried just looking for Norton AntiVirus Deleted anywhere? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Adapt, improvise, overcome. --Gunnery Sergeant Tom Highway (Heartbreak Ridge) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Attachement showing in a TAB?
Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 4:22:31 AM, Scott wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SJ I just tested a simple fix... TB! does look at the extension of the SJ file so just have the sender rename the file to filename.lst.TXT. SJ Just add .txt to the filename. Instant tabs. No header editing SJ needed. The same 3 files are attached with extension added. Everyone SJ should have tabs. I have tabs - but when I click on the attachment to open rather than view on the tab I get TB!'s double file extension warning! ;-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build A The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
Although I was a student when I bought the TB!, I'm not now. Is there any way to get rid of the 'educational' part of X-Mailer header line short of buying a new copy of the program, or should I be doing that anyway? Cheers, Tim. -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Deferred mail sending
Hello, One of my ISP's SMTP server is now so overloaded that immediate sending of mails is no longer practical. I'm using deferred sending and ticking the Combined Delivery option in Account-Transport to regularly retry the send on the receive schedule. I'd like to de-couple the send and receive cycles. Some questions that I can't answer: 1. Assuming that I've not checked Combined Delivery when would a deferred mail be sent? (Other than manually) 2. What happens after a deferred mail send fails? !19/12/2002, 09:36:41: FETCH - Could not connect to the server !19/12/2002, 09:41:57: SEND - Server reports it is not ready, reply: - Will it try again? - If so, will it ever give up? Finally, another question associated with a melting ISP: I'd like to be flagged if a mail is received more than n minutes after creation time. I realize that there are issues with time-zones and the situation where I come back on-line after n minutes off-line, but I can live with them I guess. Ta in advance, -- Nick Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Tim Fountain [TF] wrote:'
TF Although I was a student when I bought the TB!, I'm not now. Is
TF there any way to get rid of the 'educational' part of X-Mailer
TF header line short of buying a new copy of the program
Yes. Look at X-Ray ... http://www.xrayapp.com/
TF , or should I be doing that anyway?
I don't know, but this is a good question. :)
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Re: Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Tim, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:07:55 + your time, you said: TF or should I be doing that anyway? That's a good question. I don't know whether there is an upgrade path from Educational to Personal to Business etc. I can't see anything on the RITLABS site. But I suppose it you wanted to use TB! in a Business environment you'd need a Business licence, even if you already had an Educational licence. So the same must apply from Educational to Personal I imagine. I expect the moderators here will know (or be able to find out) if there is a way to upgrade an existing licence or not. - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.62 on W2K SP3 #2318. Squaw Mild Err Soy ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPgG7B8tub/5cfolmEQIRAgCfQXm8KY8FlPQMhx9jgTgsulUWKhwAoOqr R4YryMtMkxhDeAoomLle6Mcx =/OEe -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Deferred mail sending
Hi Nick, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:05:48 + Nick Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Assuming that I've not checked Combined Delivery when would a deferred mail be sent? (Other than manually) Never, unless you've periodically mail check activated. 2. What happens after a deferred mail send fails? !19/12/2002, 09:36:41: FETCH - Could not connect to the server !19/12/2002, 09:41:57: SEND - Server reports it is not ready, reply: - Will it try again? No. Not unless you check your mail again manually or the next periodically check is run. Finally, another question associated with a melting ISP: I'd like to be flagged if a mail is received more than n minutes after creation time. There's no such option I'm aware of. -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deferred mail sending
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, 6:05 AM, you wrote: ND One of my ISP's SMTP server is now so overloaded that immediate sending of ND mails is no longer practical. I would suggest your own SMTP server then. Mercury32 is free and Allie has made a nice web page to show you how to make it work. here is the setup website: http://home.ac-martin.com/mercury/merc32.html it has links to the mercury home page too. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Pictures
Hallo thebat, still configuring this new program... ;-) I found out that I can add a picture of every person in the address book. Thats fine. :-)) In my old mail program, YAM, this picture was shown with every mail from that sender, in the right part of the header lines (theres always some space there anyway...) It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? If not, I´ll have to find out how to request a new feature... ;-) BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko, On Thursday, 19. December 2002 at 14:27:30 [GMT +0100] you wrote: still configuring this new program... ;-) we are all learning each day new stuff... also about TB! In my old mail program, YAM, this picture was shown with every mail from that sender, in the right part of the header lines (theres always some space there anyway...) It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? No, there isn't, and hopefully won't be. Just my opinion. Will only cost resources. BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... ALT + 3 + 9 -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: The Bat!1.62 Christmas Edition | Windows XP PGP: 6.58 ckt Build 8 - Key 0xBB9237A9 ICQ: 121117424 (hardly ever online) HP: http://www.thebat.int.tc/ Checked by AVG anti-virus system. Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 241 - Release Date: 12/17/2002 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 2:27:30 PM you wrote: It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? The picture is a bitmap only stored in the AB/vCard. If not, I´ll have to find out how to request a new feature... ;-) Sad to say it is already suggested. At least through the list. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 There *is* love at first sight. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hi, Thomas Martin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... ALT + 3 + 9 SHIFT-# also does it. Many people wrongly use ` or ´ (accents). The typographical correct 'curly' apostrophe as it may be used in word processing is not in the regular character set used in common email, the ' is the character to be used here. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hi Heiko, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:27:30 +0100 Heiko Kuschel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... The _English_ apostroph is ' (Shift+# on German keyboard), the accent you were typing is a bad replacement. The most important reason _NOT_ to use it is: it's not defined in Latin9 (ISO-8859-15) anymore, as it was (and is) in Latin1 (ISO-8859-1). Therefore your mail reads with some accented 'Z's instead of the intended apostroph. -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
Hello Simon, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:26:47 + GMT (19/12/02, 19:26 +0700 GMT), Simon Blake wrote: TF or should I be doing that anyway? That's a good question. I don't know whether there is an upgrade path from Educational to Personal to Business etc. I can't see anything on the RITLABS site. But I suppose it you wanted to use TB! in a Business environment you'd need a Business licence, even if you already had an Educational licence. So the same must apply from Educational to Personal I imagine. I expect the moderators here will know (or be able to find out) if there is a way to upgrade an existing licence or not. The moderators are not involved in licensing or marketing. But the German distributor offers an upgrade from Educational to Personal (IIRC). Whether or not this exists also for the versions bought from another distributor, probably that distributor should know. OTOH, I was a Person when I bought TB, and now I am a Student. Should I ask for a refund? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Black holes are where God divided by zero. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 4:37:40 PM you wrote: OTOH, I was a Person when I bought TB, and now I am a Student. Should I ask for a refund? I always thought it was my impression that students are not persons ... I now see that it is a common notion. ;-) -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Jede gute Tat zieht ihre Bestrafung nach sich. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:50:02 -0300 GMT (19/12/02, 20:50 +0700 GMT), Thomas Martin wrote: In my old mail program, YAM, this picture was shown with every mail from that sender, in the right part of the header lines (theres always some space there anyway...) It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? No, there isn't, and hopefully won't be. Just my opinion. Will only cost resources. It would only be a handful of lines of code to include this option. I wouldn't call that bloat. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Was ist das fuer eine Zeitform: Ich haette kein Kind werden sollen? Preservativ defekt. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing Messages from Outlook Express
Hello Granville, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:14:50 + GMT (19/12/02, 17:14 +0700 GMT), Granville Cousins wrote: The reason I would like to use OE to download my messages is because it comes Free with Windows 98 Second Edition OE doesn't really come free, but you have to pay for it whether you use it or not. I have never used it; yet it is part of the vendor's (MS) product bundling, so I had to pay for it. (The reason I still use Chinese Windows is that I officially bought it, paid an arm and a leg for it, and am therefore reluctant to just throw it out and replace it with a version in a language I can actually read. ;-) and is easily configurable with Hotmail. I use Hotmail so that I can access my emails when I am travelling and I can also access my pop3 email accounts via Hotmail. I don't know whether Hotmail is in the meantime offering some standard POP access, but if they do, this will not be free. One of the reasons why I would never recommend Hotmail. I use GMX, which has both web access (which I use when I'm travelling) and POP access. There should be something like that in your country as well. Most ISP's I know offer web access. If you cannot find a webmail service in your language that offers free POP access, ask your ISP whether they offer web access. All of my normal email address, with different providers, can also be accessed via the web. If your ISP doesn't offer web access, access your POP account with http://mail2web.com/ . It is very comfortable and reliable, and the web interface doesn't blind you with flashing ads like Hotmail does. Needing web access to your email account is no reason to use Hotmail. What do you recommend I do so that I can access my Hotmail account via The Bat!? If you insist on Hotmail, then a program by the name of web2pop is your solution. I don't have the URL handy, but it was built for services like Hotmail that only offer web access. This (freeware?) proggy will make it possible for you to check your Hotmail with TB. Google knows the download location. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ist der Chef da? - Dumme Frage! Wuerden wir dann hier sitzen und Karten spielen? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name
On Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:47 AM, Ron Jeffries wrote: That name must appear somewhere in the text or kludges, I'd think ... have you tried just looking for Norton AntiVirus Deleted anywhere? Thanks. Yes, that what I figured. But it is not displayed in the headers, and my test filter does not process a message with this string even if I set the Location to Anywhere. Quite a poser. David Grimes Using TB v1.62 XMas Ed. on W2K 5.0 Build 2195 SP3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 4:44:18 PM you wrote: It would only be a handful of lines of code to include this option. I wouldn't call that bloat. A few line here, a few lines there ... Bloat is part of a continuum, like heap. How much can be considered right, and when is it too much? Also, one man's useful feature is another woman's bloat. I don't want X-Image (or whatever that is called). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself. (Ricky Nelson) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing Messages from Outlook Express
Hello Thomas, If your ISP doesn't offer web access, access your POP account with http://mail2web.com/ . It is very comfortable and reliable, and the web interface doesn't blind you with flashing ads like Hotmail does. Needing web access to your email account is no reason to use Hotmail. Fully agree :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name
Hello David, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:20:44 -0600 GMT (19/12/02, 23:20 +0700 GMT), David Grimes wrote: That name must appear somewhere in the text or kludges, I'd think ... have you tried just looking for Norton AntiVirus Deleted anywhere? Thanks. Yes, that what I figured. But it is not displayed in the headers, and my test filter does not process a message with this string even if I set the Location to Anywhere. Quite a poser. It would make sense, but TB's searchfunction doesn't find the file name of an attachment. I believe this has been reported as a bug. Using TB v1.62 XMas Ed. on W2K 5.0 Build 2195 SP3 On a side-note, I always wandered where the abberviation XMas comes from. Cross-Mass? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opera and TB
Good evening Dierk, It was foretold that on 19-12-2002 @ 10:11:29 GMT+0100 (which was 10:11:29 where I live) Dierk Haasis would mumble: snipped a bit DH O7b1 and b1b were not complete, they, beside other things, lacked the DH prefs for choosing an e-mail client. Yep, i spoke to soon: just opened my prefences. They lack indeed lol -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62 Christmas Edition with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important. - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) - philosopher Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Pictures
Hello Dierk, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 4:41:33 PM, you wrote: I don't want X-Image (or whatever that is called). If you are referring to X-Face, then that makes two of us. I really can't see the point of it. -- Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Peter Palmreuther, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hi Heiko, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:27:30 +0100 Heiko Kuschel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... The _English_ apostroph is ' (Shift+# on German keyboard), the accent you were typing is a bad replacement. Thanks to all who replied; yes I found it there. I know that the other one was wrong, but couldn't locate the right one on my keyboard although it is printed there. :) -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Thomas, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:37:40 +0700 your time, you said: TF OTOH, I was a Person when I bought TB, and now I am a Student. Should I TF ask for a refund? Naa, hang on 'till you become a fully fledged Person again g It will save you having the bother of downgrading, getting the refund, and then upgrading and giving it back again...look at it as a long term investment ;-) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.62 on W2K SP3 #1499. Law Qed I'm Roy Ussr ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPgIWkctub/5cfolmEQJvPACgjOcicb5KVOghJ6USEbszSM2XJPIAoNjK SwN7lLxp0pm1XI/oY/dk5OmP =n6hB -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: Email Download Aborted
Just as a followup, I've isolated 4 messages all from the same source that cause the message download to abort. I'm trying to get my ISP interested in checking out the mail messages which I've saved on the server. FYI, the messages are part of subscribed list. If anyone would like to try, the list is beginning_vb digest at URL http://p2p.wrox.com/list.asp?list=beginning_vb This is a daily digest for Visual Basic. The last date on which I received a normal digest was December 16. Since that time, each digest causes the email download to abort. I even received a response to an automated query at that URL. That message, too, only 939 bytes long, aborted the message download. The initial response I received from my ISP suggested that I needed to have 8-bit mode enabled for message header. I enabled the mode but the download still aborts. Just to reiterate that this is NOT a problem with TheBat!, Netscape Messenger experiences the exact same download abort. I'll try a download without Norton AntiVirus running. But I want to make sure I do this under controlled conditions so that a real virus doesn't slip in. -- Best regards, Lawrencemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
Hello Simon, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:57:21 + GMT (20/12/02, 01:57 +0700 GMT), Simon Blake wrote: TF OTOH, I was a Person when I bought TB, and now I am a Student. Should I TF ask for a refund? Naa, hang on 'till you become a fully fledged Person again g LOL! It will save you having the bother of downgrading, getting the refund, and then upgrading and giving it back again...look at it as a long term investment ;-) But then, you know how students are on a limited budget and don't tend to invest. ;-) Oops, I hear a fish flying. We'd better stop this. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. QUESTION: If a fire hydrant has H2O on the inside, what is on the outside? ANSWER: K9P Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Thomas Fernandez, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hello Thomas, press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? No, there isn't, and hopefully won't be. Just my opinion. Will only cost resources. It would only be a handful of lines of code to include this option. I wouldn't call that bloat. And if you mean online resources: The picture would be stored on your HD, no need to transfer it all the time. A 10 year old Amiga was able to do that without problems, so it should't be a problem for modern PCs at all. -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Kevin, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hello Dierk, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 4:41:33 PM, you wrote: I don't want X-Image (or whatever that is called). If you are referring to X-Face, then that makes two of us. I really can't see the point of it. I couldn't see a point of it until I used it. It makes Emails much more personal if you have a picture of the sender displayed. Really. For those who can't imagine how this looks like I put a screenshot of such a header under http://www.kuschelchaos.de/YAM-Bild.gif -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 12:03:44 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: On a side-note, I always wandered where the abberviation XMas comes from. Cross-Mass? Greek letter chi. First initial of Christ, spelled in Greek. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com In programming, do, or undo. There is always try. --Yoda Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name
Hallo Ron Jeffries, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: On a side-note, I always wandered where the abberviation XMas comes from. Cross-Mass? Greek letter chi. First initial of Christ, spelled in Greek. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Christ-Programming?!?! ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:11:51 PM you wrote: I couldn't see a point of it until I used it. It makes Emails much more personal if you have a picture of the sender displayed. I don't want that. And I don't intend to get this into a pseudo-logical/rational debate. So don't ask why. I just don't want it. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Silence is the virtue of fools. (Francis Bacon) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Pictures
Hello Heiko, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:11:51 PM, you wrote: If you are referring to X-Face, then that makes two of us. I really can't see the point of it. HK I couldn't see a point of it until I used it. It makes Emails much HK more personal if you have a picture of the sender displayed. Really. Agreed. I've found it one of the plus points in Ameol, and would like it as an option in TB! too. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Best regards, myobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Dierk, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:46:49 +0100 GMT (20/12/02, 02:46 +0700 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: I don't want that. I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Travel is very educational. I can now say Kaopectate in seven different languages. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name
Hello Heiko, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 1:44:46 PM, you wrote: On a side-note, I always wandered where the abberviation XMas comes from. Cross-Mass? Greek letter chi. First initial of Christ, spelled in Greek. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com HK Christ-Programming?!?! ;-) HK Sorry, couldn't resist. Also irresistible, at least to me: Early Christians, in their quest for privacy, would inscribe a drawing of a Fish on their dwelling and meeting places. A secret sign. Taken from Greek letters, also. Some knowledgeable linguist and historian take it up from here? This is, NB, totally on topic, given the significance of Fish to this List. :) -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:57:48 PM you wrote: I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. How can it not be compulsory. If someone sends it, I see it ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello myob! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:51:25 PM you wrote: Agreed. I've found it one of the plus points in Ameol, and would like it as an option in TB! too. Seems to be a real killer feature. Let's go wells and bhistles everyone! -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it! (Tom Lehrer) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name
Hallo Mary Bull, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Also irresistible, at least to me: Early Christians, in their quest for privacy, would inscribe a drawing of a Fish on their dwelling and meeting places. A secret sign. Taken from Greek letters, also. Some knowledgeable linguist and historian take it up from here? Iesous Jesus CHristos Christ THeou God's Yios Son Soter Saviour ICHTHYS=Fish. Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour. The shortest Christian confession of faith. This is, NB, totally on topic, given the significance of Fish to this List. :) Hmmh well, I'm sure even I as a newbie on this list will find out soon what you mean by this. ;-) -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Dierk Haasis, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:57:48 PM you wrote: I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. How can it not be compulsory. If someone sends it, I see it ... No. Totally different system. If *you* store a picture in your addressbook, it will be shown automatically if you get a mail from that sender. -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko, On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 9:25:32 PM you [HK] wrote (at least in part): [X-Face Header] I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. How can it not be compulsory. If someone sends it, I see it ... HK No. Totally different system. If *you* store a picture in your HK addressbook, it will be shown automatically if you get a mail from HK that sender. Not with X-Face, a superfluous method to bloat the already not so small header part [1] of an e-mail with superfluous information, which is discussed in this branch. [1] The message I'm responding to had 54 lines of header information, containing 2950 bytes and 30 lines of body carrying 665 byte (of which a _minimum_ of 5 lines could have been avoided by the author). -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) I am the neurosis (sp?) that requires a $500-an-hour shrink! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on attachment file name [also. Fish]
Guten Tag, Heiko, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 2:22:04 PM, you wrote: HK Hallo Mary Bull, HK am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: ... Early Christians, ... for privacy, would inscribe a drawing of a Fish on their dwelling and meeting places. A secret sign. Taken from Greek letters, also. ... HK Iesous Jesus HK CHristos Christ HK THeou God's HK Yios Son HK Soter Saviour HK ICHTHYS=Fish. HK Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour. The shortest Christian confession HK of faith. This is, NB, totally on topic, given the significance of Fish to this List. :) HK Hmmh well, I'm sure even I as a newbie on this list will find out soon HK what you mean by this. ;-) Ask any moderator. Leif, who hasn't been heard from for awhile, has an excellent history of Fish--specifically the species, Trout--on this list. Allie and Marck are also good with explanations of this. It's a running joke. When a moderator finds it necessary, after several reminders, to write really firmly to a list poster about list rules and protocols, the firm message is referred to as a Trout. So when Thomas says he hears a fish flying toward him and a fellow poster, he means they are getting Off Topic. One of the no-nos. Toward which you and I are also now dangerously veering. :) BTW, off-thread here, sort of: I am against those X-ray faces, too. And also the pictures with my messages. I like my text plain vanilla, being a highly verbal type and not at all at home in graphics. It's a spatial orientation thing. :) I don't do well in the midst of distractions. But to each his own. :) -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling message sending
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Sean, Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 9:25:07 PM, you wrote: S Is it possible to schedule a message to be sent at a later time? For S example, if I compose a message at 1pm, but want it sent at 5pm, is S there any way to tell TB! to do that? Heres an idea but will only work once and then reset. Create an identical account. The new account will only handle outgoing messages at the time you choose. During the new account creation process make sure to check leave a copy on the server. Once prompted to check your new account say yes. Go to transport delivery, *check* immediate and then check combined delivery. Make sure under management you're leaving messages on the server as so not to interfere with your normal account. Go to options *un-check* check mail at start-up and *check* periodical checking each Now heres the math. If you compose at 1:PM and want the message sent at 5:PM put under minutes 240. Get the idea? It works and is the only work around I can come up with to send mail at a scheduled time. When you've composed your message and you're done with it simply hit Ctrl+Q then O (Ctrl Q + O) or drop the message menu and Queue in Outbox. Thats it :) I hope it works :) - - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPgI0EV3LB35+TCg0EQLLbACgph8IDy0PDa3LZskLZ1yJKxoHlAQAnimm vPafQM9y/Z3RWsZHaykhbpdx =PrIl -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter, [1] The message I'm responding to had 54 lines of header information, containing 2950 bytes and 30 lines of body carrying 665 byte (of which a _minimum_ of 5 lines could have been avoided by the author). And a minimum of 7 by the list server. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Scheduling message sending
Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 9:41:22 PM, Allie wrote: ACM The /SEND command syntax is documented in the help under 'Advanced ACM Usage Topics/Command Line Parameters'. Thanks Allie! I'll look into setting it up that way at some point. -- Sean Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A PGP key: send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Scheduling message sending
Thursday, December 19, 2002, 3:03:23 PM, Victor wrote: VBG Heres an idea but will only work once and then reset. Create VBG an identical account. The new account will only handle VBG outgoing messages at the time you choose. Wow, now *that* is a clever hack! Well done. Seems like there's a lot of room for error, but I might give it a try some time when I'm feeling particularly confident. Thanks! -- Sean Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A PGP key: send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Leave on server woes.
Hello Johannes, Monday, December 16, 2002, 6:05:34 AM, you wrote: JP Dear Peter, JP On 11:03 16.12.2002, you [Peter Palmreuther JP ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... The trouble the OP might be run into will likely be: the POP3-server does not generate the same UID for the same message every time. This is a known, but not wide spread problem which can only be fixed on server side. The Bat! can do _nothing_ about it, it's only chance to JP I know of at least one pop3 server that has this as a *feature*, to JP prevent users from using the server in an IMAP way ;) JP Cheers, JP Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] After many gyrations since I am administrator of one mailserver and they are administrator of another(the culprit). I have found a second POP3 server with this wonderful undocumented feature. Thanks millions for everyone's help.. -- Best regards, Craftsmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling message sending
Hello all, Thursday, December 19, 2002, Sean wrote: Is it possible to schedule a message to be sent at a later time? For example, if I compose a message at 1pm, but want it sent at 5pm, is there any way to tell TB! to do that? it is not in 1.62 version, but should be in the next version, as I listen from developers. You can use commandline parametres /MAIL and /SEND for creating and sending messages now. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, December 16, 2002, Peter Palmreuther wrote... The trouble the OP might be run into will likely be: the POP3-server does not generate the same UID for the same message every time. This is a known, but not wide spread problem which can only be fixed on server side. Technically this isn't a 'problem'... well... it is a problem in respect to downloading mail, as you get duplicates, however it isn't a problem in respect to what is defined as the rules for the protocol. ,- [ UIDL ] | While it is generally preferable for server implementations to store | arbitrarily assigned unique-ids in the maildrop, this specification is | intended to permit unique-ids to be calculated as a hash of the | message. Clients should be able to handle a situation where two | identical copies of a message in a maildrop have the same unique-id. `- By definition of the RFCs [1], I don't think UIDL is even a required command based on the minimum list of commands, and additional commands they provide. [1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1939.txt - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPgJLYSuD6BT4/R9zEQIu5QCglHEUR/+2+rMR5JUt+AIh7cCMqMMAniN8 GBfD2Ocl8n+bHNE2bkdsec+k =XL/g -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduling message sending
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, 9:28:19 PM, Sean wrote: ACM The /SEND command syntax is documented in the help under 'Advanced ACM Usage Topics/Command Line Parameters'. Thanks Allie! I'll look into setting it up that way at some point. Don't forget that Message Creation time will remain as the time that you sent the message to the Outbox, not the time it was sent from the Outbox, if this is important to you. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Leave on server woes.
Hello Jonathan, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 5:42:36 PM, you wrote: JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JA Hash: SHA1 JA On Monday, December 16, 2002, Peter Palmreuther wrote... The trouble the OP might be run into will likely be: the POP3-server does not generate the same UID for the same message every time. This is a known, but not wide spread problem which can only be fixed on server side. JA Technically this isn't a 'problem'... well... it is a problem in JA respect to downloading mail, as you get duplicates, however it isn't a JA problem in respect to what is defined as the rules for the protocol. JA ,- [ UIDL ] JA | While it is generally preferable for server implementations to store JA | arbitrarily assigned unique-ids in the maildrop, this specification is JA | intended to permit unique-ids to be calculated as a hash of the JA | message. Clients should be able to handle a situation where two JA | identical copies of a message in a maildrop have the same unique-id. JA `- JA By definition of the RFCs [1], I don't think UIDL is even a required JA command based on the minimum list of commands, and additional JA commands they provide. JA [1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1939.txt JA - -- JA Jonathan Angliss JA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- JA iQA/AwUBPgJLYSuD6BT4/R9zEQIu5QCglHEUR/+2+rMR5JUt+AIh7cCMqMMAniN8 JA GBfD2Ocl8n+bHNE2bkdsec+k JA =XL/g JA -END PGP SIGNATURE- JA JA Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: JA http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Clearly, though, they state that it is preferable this be handled via server, though a client should be able to handle identical copies with the same unique-id [oxymoron there, huh?]. While these are, truly, listed as optional, this makes for some pretty strange science in any situation where mail is left on the server. I know *I'm* tired of hitting the Kill Dupes button! ;-) -- Best regards, Craftsmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Miguel, On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 10:11:42 PM you [MAU] wrote (at least in part): [1] The message I'm responding to had 54 lines of header information, containing 2950 bytes and 30 lines of body carrying 665 byte (of which a _minimum_ of 5 lines could have been avoided by the author). MAU And a minimum of 7 by the list server. I see only 5 lines added to the body by the server :-) *ahhh* You refer to 7 lines in header ... :-) Yes, could But I think _these_ lines are quite useful. If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Especially those telling the same over and over again (Send an empty message to ... to unsubscribe., Use the followin link to crawl through the archive ..., etc, etc.) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Better dead than mellow. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP passphrase caching
Hi All, I've been using pgp with TheBat! and thoroughly enjoying it, except for one thing. The option that allows you to cache a passphrase for decryption and for signing doesn't quite work right - I've set the decryption one to so it stays the length of my TB! session, but the signing cache time refuses to keep my setting. Every time i reopen TB! it's been set back to 5 minutes, and it's really aggravating me. Anyone know how to fix this? Toby --- Life is poetry - write it in your own words. --- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Format block as quoted
Feature suggestion, Utilities Format Block Quoted Utilities Format Block Unquoted Utilities Format Block All unquoted The last one removes all quotation devices no matter how deeply nested. The first two simply prepend or whatever to each line. You'll also notice a bug with Bat! if you are reading this message in it. The three lines above are shown in bold because Bat! thinks I want them to indicated quoted text. Bat! should not assume that when the mark is not at the front of the line. Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
Dear Craftsman, On 00:53 20.12.2002, you [Craftsman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... server, though a client should be able to handle identical copies with the same unique-id [oxymoron there, huh?]. There's always the message ID left, which will be a same unique ID if you're accesing the same mailspool... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing Messages from Outlook Express
Dear Thomas, On 16:57 19.12.2002, you [Thomas Fernandez ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... If your ISP doesn't offer web access, access your POP account with http://mail2web.com/ . It is very comfortable and reliable, and the Please don't forget that when using these kind of proxies for POP3-to-WWW, your username and password can be logged by the server. Don't use an important account for this ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The world is coming to an end. Please log off. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Format block as quoted
On Friday, 20 December 2002, M. Evans wrote: ME You'll also notice a bug with Bat! if you are reading this message in ME it. The three lines above are shown in bold because Bat! thinks I ME want them to indicated quoted text. No bug. They're not coloured in my display, because I have quote limit (in editor preferences) set to 6 characters. -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter, If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Yeap, specially these two ;-) ,- [ ] | List-Subscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:02:36 +0100 GMT (20/12/02, 07:02 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: MAU And a minimum of 7 by the list server. I see only 5 lines added to the body by the server :-) *ahhh* You refer to 7 lines in header ... :-) Yes, could But I think _these_ lines are quite useful. You think so. Others don't. I think X-Face (1 line) is useful. You don't. My offer to you: I exchange 7 List-Header lines for one X-face line. Interested? ;-) You can have the footer, too. Nobody reads that anyway. How about the sig? I see no value in it, you can see my name in the From address. Some people even use cookies! These should be outlawed. It's a shame TB supports them, especially those longer than one line. Oh, and then, let's do away with the greeting. It is not useful. My attritubtion line could be shortened too, surely. I am looking at a way to reduce the number of Received headers. Surely they are useful (most people check every mail about its routing), but maybe I should use my own SMTP server after all, connect directly to the recipient's server and thus reduce the number of header lines. If I do that, will you allow me one line for the X-Face? If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Especially those telling the same over and over again (Send an empty message to ... to unsubscribe., Use the followin link to crawl through the archive ..., etc, etc.) I absolutely agree. Those threads arising from people asking these things, which you know already so aren't interested in downloading, should be deleted on server side. After all, TB uses the ML headers correctly, so they are useful, and any questions superfluous. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. -- Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP passphrase caching
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Toby Tremayne [TT] wrote:'
TT I've been using pgp with TheBat! and thoroughly enjoying it,
TT except for one thing. The option that allows you to cache a
TT passphrase for decryption and for signing doesn't quite work
TT right - I've set the decryption one to so it stays the
TT length of my TB! session, but the signing cache time refuses to
TT keep my setting.
This sounded perplexing but now I realize that you're using the
internal PGP implementation that I doubt more than only a few TB!
users use since the internal version supports only RSA keys.
Have you considered installing a later version with plug-in support?
The PGPckt builds offer plugin as well as a lot of the functionality
offered by the later official PGP versions.
For imformation about external PGP installations and TB! plugins
you can look here:
http://www.landscreek.net/gpg_pgp_tb.html
--
-=] Allie C Martin [=- {List Moderator}
MUA: TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition ___ OS: WinXP Pro (SP1)
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
Hello Johannes, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:25:25 +0100 GMT (20/12/02, 07:25 +0700 GMT), Johannes Posel wrote: server, though a client should be able to handle identical copies with the same unique-id [oxymoron there, huh?]. There's always the message ID left, which will be a same unique ID if you're accesing the same mailspool... What is the UID for anyway, since the MID is already unique? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Don't forget your wife's name . . . that will mess up the love. (Roger, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Format block as quoted
Hello Mark, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:24:00 -0700 GMT (20/12/02, 07:24 +0700 GMT), M. Evans wrote: Feature suggestion, I have one, too. Open your message, the one I am replying to, but highliting it and then hitting Return. A new Folder View window will open. Make sure that you see not only the message, but also the message list. In order to achieve that, you go to the View menu item in this new window, and then tick Message List. Then hit alt-1. This will show you the message list in the threaded view. This is very useful, you can see which message was sent in reply to which, and it is easier to follow a thread, a line of discussion. You will see you created that your message by replying to a message in the thread pgp plugin?. Many people who were not following this particular discussion will ignore the whole thread and not read your message - regardless of whether you change the subject. Therefore, when you have something new to ask, don't just hit Reply on any message, but do use the New Message functionality in The Bat. Your request will be read by more people, and you have a better chance of getting a good reply. Bat! should not assume that when the mark is not at the front of the line. The Bat doesn't assume anything. It's a setting, and the default is that if there is a character amongst the first 20 characters of a line, the line is a quote and should be displayed as such. You can change this setting to 0 or any other value by going to Options / Editor Preferences / Quote name limit in the main menu. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Why do psychics have to ask you for your name? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing Messages from Outlook Express
Hello Johannes, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:30:27 +0100 GMT (20/12/02, 07:30 +0700 GMT), Johannes Posel wrote: Please don't forget that when using these kind of proxies for POP3-to-WWW, your username and password can be logged by the server. Don't use an important account for this ;) That is correct. Alas, I have not heard anything bad about mail2pop; but there might be other services around that are dishonest. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. IF THERE IS NO GOD, WHO POPS UP THE NEXT KLEENEX? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 plug-in
Jan, *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 8:01:02 AM, you wrote: JR Hello Bat Folk. JR Looking for the repository of the JR anti-virus plug ins, particularly the NOD32 JR plug-in. I have a very early version which JR seems to be working but I want to see if JR there is an update. TIA ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/plugins -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating AB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Eddie, EC This is the situation: I have a folder with many sub-folders. They EC are sorted by Subject. My filters are moving all mails coming in to EC these folders. As I didn't advice the filters to register the Senders EC Address into an AB I need to do it now. EC Is there a way to automate this process with a filter? EC Many thanks in advance! I know of only one way. You have to define that property for each folder separately because as far as my knowledge goes each filter is independent of its partners. Unless all of you're mail sees the inbox or another folder first you can define for that folder to add any person or entity into your address book. It would probably make a great feature request. A global filter would work nice and I can probably come up with a dozen or more reasons on how to put it to good use. I'll watch what happens :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPgK9o13LB35+TCg0EQKIMgCeLBnejbQN7Q/bd9PpoCyl4TdOa7gAnjpK CrBIqFf/urnS177AZkXFij8h =/O9x -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: Updating AB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, EC This is the situation: I have a folder with many sub-folders. They EC are sorted by Subject. My filters are moving all mails coming in to EC these folders. As I didn't advice the filters to register the Senders EC Address into an AB I need to do it now. EC Is there a way to automate this process with a filter? I know of a work around that should get every sender from every mail in your entire account put into your address book. I assume you know how to work with filters and assume you have all the messages in which you wish to extract sender information. Create a new folder (call it senders), in your account tree select your account, Ctrl + F, Your find dialog box pops up, Select the anywhere check box and enter in the find field a period (.) (no brackets) hit find. This method should find every bit of mail in your account. Highlight the entire list and copy them temporarily into the newly created senders folder. Getting the drift? Create a (read filter) to scan that folder manually and make sure every message is actually read (not marked as unread), and in your new senders filter add senders to the AB. I hope it works as it seems to help to automate it a little bit. I hope I helped :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPgLAIV3LB35+TCg0EQJLQACg6Qbvh34VTIrCGWdOSAWImppk+68AoPM8 HWSb2a0tGRonZUbL4JGzQqwL =XlOQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
