Re: netscape 6.2

[Alastair Scott]

- Original Message -
From: "Gerard de Vries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Call me Babo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 26 November 2001 8:07 am
Subject: Re: netscape 6.2


>
> Saturday, November 24, 2001, 2:10:04 PM, you wrote:
>
> CmB> Dear listar,
>
> CmB>   I just install N6.2 ... and it looks much better then the prev.
> CmB>   verions ( I mean 6xx) :>
> CmB>   the only one problem I have with it - I can't use thebat!153d as
> CmB>   email client.
> CmB>   I installed N4.79 aswell + nsproto - in 479 it works. but in NN6 -
> CmB>   not :<
> CmB>   I did click in preferences "simple MAPI" and "assosiate"..
> CmB>   but it doesn't help.
> CmB>   Any help?
> CmB> thank You very much
>
>
> Hi Call,
>
> Isn't the email package a separate install option, meaning if you
> install it it assumes you want to use it?
>
> Best regards,
>  Gerard

This appears to be the case with Netscape: however, it is _not_ the case
with Mozilla.

Unlike Netscape it has a "Use Mozilla Mail as the default mail application"
checkbox in Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups. If this is not checked The
Bat!, once the options described have been set up from within, remains the
default mail package.

Moral - uninstall Netscape and install Mozilla. After all, the first is
based on (an older version of) the second ...

Alastair



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Re: can i recreate folder structure?

[Alastair Scott]

On 22 November 2001 at 5:09 pm atelier1 wrote:

> i have serious problems with my computer several os's are crashing,i
> did a reformat and new install of xp and w2k, installed thebat
> ,pointed to the old mail dir ( as outlined in previous posts)all
> worked fine again, until...the system started to crash again ,had
> to do many scandisks,maildir got messed up , i refreshed from a cd
> backup several times(the bat backup is not working ).
> now, after i find out what the reason for the crashing is ,and the
> problem is solved, i want to install the bat again, no reg settings
> import,no account info,no filters,i just want to be able to have my
> folder structure back with the mail in the folders again.
> Would this be possible, if so how would i go about this?
> Thank you in advance

This requires someone more technically competent than me in the file
structure to answer.

However, what is really needed reminds me of a feature request I had
in mind and forgot to make. In Tools | Backup, change the option from:

[x] Folders with Messages

to:

[x] Folders
[x] with Messages

(Obviously checking the second has an implied checking of the first).

Several times I've wanted to clear out messages but retain folder
structure (at last count 65 folders, so not simple to recreate);
without an option to restore the folder structure (after deleting
everything) the only way of doing this is laboriously deleting
messages from each folder ... unless someone knows better :) 

Alastair


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Re: Dead animal

[Alastair Scott]

On 22 November 2001 at 5:27 am Alexander wrote:

> Hello Batmans,

> About half years I've visited last time that place.
> Nothing happens, nothing changes, the same build, the same
> questions... It seems animal to be dead and smell

I notice Opera has the same problem (small company with everyone
expecting a new version every 10 minutes and personal feedback to
every query); that's a downside of being close to your users.

Conversely, I don't think people get excited about Microsoft bringing
out, or not bringing out, a new version of Internet Explorer or
Outlook Express. Especially as these are running into diminishing
returns; The Bat! is the same. After all, it's only an email package,
albeit a very powerful one.

(In fact, given Microsoft's enormous resources, one could wonder why
it takes 18 months to 2 years to get the next version of Office out.
On second thoughts, shhh ... I might give them ideas ;)

Alastair


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LDAP revealed

[Alastair Scott]

I had some time and decided to get this (populating my own address
book from a LDAP address book) working. Done as follows:

1. Set up two new address books.

a. The first is the source, and has properties:

Name - Global Address List (for example)

Use this book as default ... - not ticked

This address book is associated with an LDAP server - ticked

LDAP server details - filled in

Return maximum 100 matches (say) - the default is 1 which won't get
you very far with a big company :)

b. The second is the target, and has properties:

Name - Alastair's Address Book (for example)

Use this book as default ... - ticked

This address book is associated with an LDAP server - not ticked

LDAP server details - not filled in

2. This done, the task is to build up your personal address book (the
target) by doing LDAP searches on the LDAP address list (the source)
then dragging matched names from source to target. To do this:

a. In The Bat! press F8 then F7, which brings up the LDAP search
window (see the picture as attached);

b. Type in the partial* name you're searching for, then tick only the
name of the source in the bottom pane (green arrows);

c. Press Start and wait for the the matched names, if any, to appear
in the right-hand pane (behind the LDAP search window);

d. Drag and drop the names you want into the target (red arrow);

e. Press New Search, then go back to step b.

By doing b-e over and over again you can gradually build up your
personal address book by drag and drop; you can always see what you've
dragged and dropped by clicking on the target's icon (the 'blue book'
in the left-hand pane) then going back to the source (the 'green
book') before doing another search.

I find that, if you make one address book both source and target, you
get nowhere; the search results _are_ the address book as each LDAP
search, as far as I can tell, replaces the address book contents (!)
Unfortunately, this part of The Bat! is both badly documented and has
a confusing, because over-complex, user interface :(

Alastair

* On my server the only match is on surnames (the addresses are stored
as ) and at least three characters have to be
typed otherwise there's nothing returned.


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Re: filtering on language

[Alastair Scott]

- Original Message -
From: "Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alastair Scott on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 20 November 2001 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: filtering on language


> Hello Alastair,
>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:29:05 -0000 GMT (20/11/2001, 22:29 +0800 GMT),
> Alastair Scott wrote:
>
> AS> There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish,
and
> AS> it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg "z"
and
> AS> "i") is entirely different from that of English -
>
> This would be difficult to implement in a TB filter. But I just had an
> idea:
>
> You can actually filter for certain words that are likely to occur in
> most Turkish-language spams, such as siteler (web sites), for example.
> You can also use other simple words from the Turkish language. Without
> a scoring mechanism - i.e. just if one of those five or ten words is
> found, it's a hit - make your own, very simple, language parser in the
> form of a TB filter.

That would work - translations of "sex" and "money" would probably catch 95
per cent of spam ;)

The frequency analysis is actually very subtle - two other languages which
have lots of "z"s that come to mind are German and Polish. The huge mass of
rules needed to differentiate one language from another would probably be
just as slow as the dictionary lookup.

Alastair



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Re: filtering on language

[Alastair Scott]

- Original Message -
From: "Jan Rifkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "TB! UDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 20 November 2001 1:02 pm
Subject: filtering on language


> Hello TB! Listers.
>
>   I've been getting a lot of msgs like the one below & its
>   really annoying.
>
> > Original Message Starts <--
> www.internethaber.com yilin en iyi
> ancorhman_n_ belirliyor.
> Siz de oy kullanarak tercihinizi koyun.
>
> www.internethaber.com ve www.gazeteoku.com
> ile biz haberin tekelini kirdik; gelin siz
> de bu siteleri ziyaret ederek, bu tekeli
> kirin.
> -> Original Message Ends <---
>
>   Can anyone imagine a built in macro that identifies
>   language used, i.e. "%IF not %English"? Does anyone think
>   this is even possible?

It's certainly possible through some sort of dictionary comparison, but that
would probably be fatally slow on modest PCs (imagine checking a 2,000 word
email :)

There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish, and
it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg "z" and
"i") is entirely different from that of English - but more similar languages
(eg two Indo-European ones ;) might not be so simple to differentiate. I am
not a professional linguist so I can't comment definitively.

Alastair



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Re[3]: moving address book to wok

[Alastair Scott]

On 19 November 2001 at 3:30 am Rick wrote:

> Thanks for the info... question though, if I click on "Account
> Options" is this going to mess up the way I connect to my accounts at
> work? At work I have to connect to my accounts differently since I'm
> going through an Exchange server and have to use IMAP4. I don't want
> to have to reconfigure my connections. Not sure if this is what is
> backed up when "account options" is selected if so I should probablly
> skip that checkbox?

I've never tried each option separately; I'd imagine rather a lot more
than the [POP3] mail servers would be skipped if you didn't check it.
So, whatever way you go, you'll be recreating some data.

(There also appear to be some bugs with Backup/Restore - some trivial
settings, such as the folder fonts and the taskbar/system tray
appearance, appear not to be carried across. I've filed a bug report
and will see what response there is).

Alastair


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When is an attached file saved?

[Alastair Scott]

I ask because I was sent a .EXE file as an attachment which contained
a virus (Hybris/D). This was correctly caught by F-Prot Antivirus;
although I deleted the email straight off it seems that the executable
was, at some point, saved in ...The Bat!\Mail\\Attach as
F-Prot caught it there this afternoon, nearly a day after the first
warning. 

Q: is an attachment routinely saved there (irrespective of what
happens to the accompanying email, including immediate manual
deletion) or did I do something to save it (by some action I missed
while recalling the sequence of events)?

If it is routinely saved, that would appear to be a Bad Thing!

Alastair


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Re: wildcards searching

[Alastair Scott]

On 19 November 2001 at 4:58 pm Rick wrote:

> I'm having trouble searching my LDAP directory here at work on
> Exchange. It doesn't seem to like any wildcards. When searching I can
> put in 'A' for Name and I'll get back all the First names starting
> with A but I'd like to be able to search for all the Names and have
> them in this new address book I made. I was going to suck it up and
> just go through each letter of the alphabet which wouldn't be that big
> of a deal except for the fact that each search erases the previous
> search in my new address book. I tried searching the archives and the
> FAQ but didn't find stuff to really help me (or else I didn't look
> long enough:). The two quesions are:

> 1) Is it a problem on the Exchange server not letting me use wildcards
> to search? I've tried using * and % and no luck with either.

I think this is a server-based thing, or may not be possible at all
with Exchange Server; I tried, using both TB! and Outlook Express, to
search my work-based server with wildcards; nothing happened. However,
I can use partial matches (so "Green" would match everyone from "Aaron
Green" to "Zachary Green" :) 

> 2) If I decide to just go through each letter of the alphabet and
> search LDAP in order
> to populate the new address book how do I prevent the previous search
> from being deleted? ( I simply want to keep adding to the book with
> new searches ).

I have this problem as well with LDAP (existing results being wiped
out), and some other peculiarities; when I have more time I'll
investigate further.

Alastair


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Re: Search of two fields

[Alastair Scott]

On 17 November 2001 at 6:50 pm Januk wrote:

> 4. Use an external program.  People have reported that they really
>like a program called Mailbag Assistant for their archiving needs.
>I personally haven't used it, but I have yet to hear a negative
>comment about this program.  The drawback of this solution is
>that the program isn't freeware.  However, it does allow you to
>migrate between many different e-mail programs with ease (at least,
>that's what the marketing department says.)
>

Yes, this is a phenomenal package - some people have suggested that
The Bat! should have statistics, rather like Eudora does, but this
goes way beyond what is done there, And it provides selective archive
and restore, export to and import from lots of formats, extraction of
any or all fields, scripting, regular expression and soundalike
searches, ... 

For someone who ran a busy campaign and got hundreds of emails a day
it was vital.

Alastair


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Re: moving address book to wok

[Alastair Scott]

On 17 November 2001 at 8:45 pm Rick wrote:

> Bat List,

>I'm in the process of doing some major house cleaning on the
>Pegasus address book that I've imported into TB (which imported
>nicely I might add). The question I have is what address book files do I need to
>bring over to my work computer where I will also be using TB. I saw
>several files in The Bat! directory that look related to the
>address book, but I want to make certain of the correct ones. Also
>is there a templates file that I could also copy over to my work
>machine as well?

The easiest way to do this is to try Tools | Backup and only tick
Account Options, Personal Address Books and Global Options, then pick
the address book(s) by name using the Choose ... button. This avoids
having to guess what the filename is, and Account Options picks up the
templates.

Transfer the file you save (second step of that dialogue) to the new
machine then, on the other machine, do Tools | Restore and import that
file.

[The Backup and Restore options are much underestimated].

Alastair


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Re[2]: concerning a template suggestion

[Alastair Scott]

On 17 November 2001 at 2:43 pm Peter wrote:

> Hello Rick,

> On Samstag, 17. November 2001 at 09:35:51 you wrote (at least in
> part):

RR>> ... I do think an option to "Not use template" would be a nice
RR>> feature ...

> *hmmm* ... If you don't want to use templates at any time, but only
> for specified contacts you can delete the templates in account
> properties. To be absolutely sure you can insert the already known
> '%CLEAR' macro there.
> If you save the default templates already there into QuickTemplates
> before deleting them you can also access them manually if needed.
> But to be honest: don't we all need some kind of templates _at least_
> for replying? I mean ... somehow the original text should be contained
> within my answer, shouldn't it? So what about clearing
> account-new-template and optimizing/shrinking account-reply-template
> and account-forward-template as the best compromise?

As a guide, my three "really simple" templates are:

"" [new]

"On %ODATE at %OTIME %TOFNAME wrote:

%QUOTES

%CURSOR" [reply]

"%CURSOR

BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE

From:%OTONAME
Date:%ODATE at %OTIME
Subject: %OSUBJ

%TEXT

-END FORWARDED MESSAGE-" [forward]

(Don't paste or type the quotes "" ... the 'new' template is blank,
for example)

The 'reply' one is particularly useful, as it puts

'On 17 November 2001 at 6.00pm Fred wrote'

at the start then quotes the text of the original message and puts the
cursor there ready for typing the response. This always provokes "wow,
how did you do that? did you type these in?" from Outlook [Express]
users ;)

[I also prefer to use 'None' as the sender information for quotes in
replies, which means that an angled bracket only precedes each quoted
line; anything else results in strange text like "Cac>" preceding each
quoted line ...!]

Alastair


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Cascading settings

[Alastair Scott]

Something which I have never been able to find is a method of cascading:

(i) folder settings;

(ii) the columns in the message list (a disguised 'folder setting' I
suppose)

down a hierarchy of folders.

So if, for example, I were to set 'compress the folder' on my Inbox and said
'cascade these settings', it would replicate them to each folder below the
Inbox *but not* to anything under Outbox, Sent or Trash.

Can this be done? Currently it appears not to happen.

Alastair

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Re: Preview Pane: Fit width

[Alastair Scott]

Jan wrote:

>Thanks  for  the  reply.  However  that's not exactly what I wanted. Let me
>rephrase my question.

>Is there a way to make the Preview Pane, set at a given width, show all the
>text(without  some  text  staying  hidden  behind  its right border? When I
>decrease  Preview  Pane's  width  by dragging its sides, I want the text to
>automatically  format  itself  (move  to new lines) so as to be all visible
>again within the reduced pane's width.

Come to think of it, this not happening looks like a bug; you can do a right
mouse  button  |  Preferences  on  the  pane  but  whatever you select (even
something  absurd  like  'wrap  text at 20 characters') has no effect on the
appearance of the text within the pane.

If it did it would answer the question :)

Alastair

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Transferring server details

[Alastair Scott]

I  had  occasion  to  transfer my 7 backup email accounts from Outlook
Express  5.5  - I would not dream of using OE for my principal account
:)

OE does this transfer rather neatly via an .iaf file per account which
it  can  export and import. I had intended to move the accounts to The
Bat!  but found there was no import facility for the .iaf file; thus I
put  the  backup accounts onto OE as I couldn't face typing in all the
details again.

Now  the .iaf file is not frightening; it is binary but the individual
fields,  apart  from  password,  look  eminently  extractable  with no
encryption or other tricks.

It  would  be  useful  if  an 'import Outlook Express account details'
option  could  be  added  to  The  Bat!.  It  can already import whole
accounts* (Tools | Import Messages | Mailbox Import Wizard) but that's
a  sledgehammer  to  crack  a  nut;  for  backup  or infrequently-used
accounts the server details are enough ...

Alastair

*  minuscule  typo  -  the radio button should read 'Microsoft Outlook
Express 5.xx' as we're well past 5.0 now.

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Re: Suggestions

[Alastair Scott]

On 2001-04-16 at 2:21 pm Rob wrote:

> The icons at the top seem to be too small especially the icon with the
> arrow next to them. Mabey could have an option to have larger toolbar
> icons or a choice from different ones. Also other program icons & drop
> boxes seem very tiny too. When you create a new email most email
> programs you just have to click on the TO: or CC: etc icons to bring
> up the address book but yours is a tiny tiny icon way over the other
> side. Never seen any email program with it so far out of the way.

Seconded. Another problem is that, even when the toolbars are arranged
down the sides of the screen, the icons are difficult to "hit" because
their  clickable area doesn't stretch right to the edge of the screen.
This is a well-known problem:

http://www.asktog.com/columns/022DesignedToGiveFitts.html

(The whole 'toolbar and icon' part of the program is probably the most
old-fashioned  part of The Bat!, being highly inflexible; in the end I
learnt  the  key  shortcuts,  such  as  F8 for bringing up the address
book).

> Another is having to open up my accounts on the list to see my
> incomming mail. I've set up 7 accounts and when all are open I have to
> scroll up & down the list to see Inbox, outbox etc. It would be nice
> if the name of the account was the inbox so you only needed to open it
> if you wanted to see other folders inside, therefore having the take
> up little screen space. You could then have 10 or more mailboxes with
> 1 or 2 open and still not need to scroll. I am currently using Poco
> mail and have been looking for something a bit better to handle HTML.
> Your program is looking great.
> If you have a chance checkout Incredimail. It's not that great an
> email program but it sure has a great interface & icons.

The  first  point  is  rather  nicely tackled by AK-Mail* which allows
folders  to  be created which aren't attached to a particular account.
So  you  could  do  things like filtering all incoming mail from the 7
accounts  into one 'Universal Inbox' folder at the root level and take
it from there. Such floating folders would be a worthwhile addition to
The Bat! IMO.

As for Incredimail - a triumph of form over function!

That  said,  it does strike at the weak point of The Bat! which is its
lack of flexibility; it's often noted that WinZip has a user interface
designed  by  programmers and I think that criticism has some validity
here.

> Also these lists are so unfriendly. What about a normal forum?

I  learned  that  lesson  in the dark ages when the United Kingdom had
metered  telephone  rates  for Internet connectivity :) Forums are all
very  well  when  you're  not  paying  by the minute to read them; the
geographical  diversity of the participants is fantastic and I'd say a
fair  proportion  *are*  paying  by the minute so would prefer to have
something which can be handled offline if necessary.

Alastair

* my previous email package - http://www.akmail.com/

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Re[3]: Receiving blank messages- help???

[Alastair Scott]

On 2001-04-13 at 6:15 pm daveiw wrote:

> Many  thanks  for  your swift replies, especially Alastair. I have tried
> another client (OE) as you suggested and found that it too received 1 of
> those  messages.  This  may  suggest  the  ISP but I have never had this
> problem  before. Is it possible that I may have some sort of virus on my
> PC  (this seems unlikely as the messages are few and far between) that's
> causing  this?  Apart from changing ISP - something I do not wish to do,
> do you have any suggestions? Also in answer to Karin's question - I have
> no attachments with the messages. :-)

A look around suggests that:

(i) completely blank emails are most likely an offshoot of faulty
spamming software (!)

(ii) completely blank emails _with an attachment_ are produced by a
number of virus generators (I had one a couple of weeks ago where
there were no headers whatsoever but an attachment containing a virus;
Panda Antivirus sounded the alarm immediately it was received).

Certainly, as there is literally nothing in the emails, they can only
be harmless but annoying; the best solution is probably to work up a
The Bat! filter to silently delete them before they get to you.

(That said, I am having trouble working out what such a filter would
be when the incoming message seemingly contains nothing at all, not
even a header. Help!) 

Alastair

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Re: Receiving blank messages- help???

[Alastair Scott]

On 2001-04-13 at 3:10 pm daveiw wrote:

> I  have  a  strange  problem  that maybe an easy hit for many of the
> subscribers  of  this  group.  That is for some reason I am occasionally
> receiving  blank  messages in my inbox- that is to say no headers, from,
> to, or even text in the message! (not even rfc-822 headers)

> All  I get is received and created times in the inbox list, and they
> are  becoming quite annoying. I have even uninstalled, then re-installed
> the  bat  (and used restore) and still they occasionally turn up. Please
> please help as this is becoming very irritating?

Your email address immediately suggests to me that it's some quirk of
your ISP; when I was (briefly) a member of cwcom.net in 1999 all sorts
of strange things happened with email delivery (and many other
facilities).

Suggestion:

(i) Set up a secondary (completely different) email package to access
your mailbox, ensuring _that email is left on the server_ by it;

(ii) Before using The Bat! to download email off the server, check
mail (without downloading it) using the other package.

Are the problems visible with the secondary email package?

Alastair

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Re: HTML attachments

[Alastair Scott]

On 2001-04-13 at 9:52 am Thomas wrote:

> TB generates a text part when you view the message with HTML autview
> disabled.

> It was agreed quite some time ago that it should be possible to delete
> the HTML attachments, so that TB keeps only the text part it has
> generated. I was of the opinion that this was confirmed quite a number
> of versions ago.

> I will be on the lookout (!) for text/html messages, unless  anybody
> can confirm or deny that the feature works.

It does. And very useful it is on [another] high-volume email list
where about 2/3 of the members post using HTML although there is
rarely any typographical need to do so!

Alastair

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Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...

[Alastair Scott]

Allie wrote:

AM> The above instructions do solve the problem and I hope this helps. :-)
AM> Most who have reported this problem have indeed been using ZoneAlarm.
AM> Another work around is to use a local POP server. XRay is a nice one.

It does - I can now use the three POP3 and SMTP servers ad lib. Many thanks!

(One mild warning is that, when you enter the POP3/SMTP server details into
ZoneAlarm, you have to be connected to the Internet first. ZA resolves the
IP address of the server immediately so, if you aren't online, it complains
with a rather obscure error message ...)

Alastair

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Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...

[Alastair Scott]

Ming-Li wrote:

ML> I'm no expert and I'm afraid I can offer little help.  Yet it
ML> appears to me that the problem is more than that.  I'm using
ML> Win2k with TB! and I've seen no such problem since day one.  I
ML> believe many people on the list use TB! with Win2k as well.

The ZoneAlarm suggestion is interesting; problems with the personal
firewall may well be the problem and I'll find out later today (as you can
see I'm posting this with TB! so am on the "wrong" machine :)

ML> Could you tell me how you get the detailed POP3 communications
ML> log? Is it a built-in function of OE 5.5, Win2k or from a
ML> 3rd-party utility? (I've just left OE 5, but never tried 5.5,
ML> and don't remember there's such function in OE. And Win2k is too
ML> new for me to know much details.) Too bad TB! can't be set to
ML> provide logs in such detail.

For Outlook Express 5.01 select Tools | Options from the menu bar, then
press the Maintenance tab and, at the bottom of the tab, there's a
'Troubleshooting' section. Check the 'Mail' check box and, after you've run
OE for a bit, search for 'pop3.log' on your hard drive. That contains the
information received by OE from the POP3 server.

Unfortunately TB! parses the information it received from the POP3 server
before displaying it in the Log Panel (Ctrl-Shift-L) :/

(AK-Mail stores the information it receives from the POP3 server in
encrypted form and can display it, via an inbuilt viewer, from within
itself).

Alastair

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The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...

[Alastair Scott]

I've been looking at the 'can only connect once to POP3' problem with
three email clients (Outlook Express, The Bat! and AK-Mail
www.akmail.com), three POP3 servers (pop3.lineone.net, ice.cream.org and
mail.btinternet.com) and two operating systems (Windows 95, Windows
2000 - I don't have access to Windows 98, alas).

>From various trials, and conversations on ICQ, the problem looks like
something to do with the interaction between The Bat! and the Windows
2000 TCP/IP stack.

The problem, as noted before, is that, with Win2K, The Bat! can only read the POP3 
server once in a session; second and subsequent reads stick and the only cure is to 
close and restart The Bat!

I also note that sending email via smtp.lineone.net or ice.cream.org also hangs if the 
corresponding POP3 server has been interrogated; thus the only way to send email at 
all using The Bat! is to disable the 'check on starting' and 'automatic check every N 
minutes' options and, in fact, not check email at all until you've composed and sent 
your email(s).

What I've found:

1. All three programs send and receive email perfectly with Win95.

2. Outlook Express and AK-Mail send and receive email perfectly with Win2K; The Bat! 
fails.

3. Which POP3 server is used doesn't matter; all three programs work (or don't work) 
irrespective of which of the three servers are used.

4. The time between checking email twice on the same server doesn't matter; whether it 
is immediately after the last check, or several minutes after it, The Bat! fails under 
Win2K (but works under Win95) and the other two programs work under Win2K and Win95.

5. The Bat!'s settings (such as toggling 'send and receive at the same time') don't 
matter; I've tried all possible permutations and still see the problem.

6. An interesting discovery: I have a personal firewall, ZoneLabs'
ZoneAlarm (www.zonelabs.com), installed on the Win2K machine. On the
second and subsequent attempts by The Bat! to read any of the three
POP3 servers ZoneAlarm catches attempts by them to access
'non-standard' ports (generally in the 1030 to 1060 range), raising an
alert. There are no such alerts following the first attempt by The
Bat! or with Outlook Express or AK-Mail.

I will do whatever is needed to provide more data. For the moment,
here's a session with Outlook Express to show what is flying back and
forth in a working session (mail.btinternet.com omitted as it's
similar to pop3.lineone.net).

Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901
POP3 Log started at 06/29/2000 09:12:24
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] USER alastair
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] PASS *
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] STAT
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK 3 3527
POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] LIST
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 1 944
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 2 1599
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 3 984
POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] .
POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] UIDL 1
POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK 1 962234045.27814.ice
POP3: 09:12:27 [tx] UIDL
POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 1 962234045.27814.ice
POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 2 962241836.31956.ice
POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 3 962264558.5839.ice
POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] .
POP3: 09:12:27 [tx] TOP 1 0
POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:28 [tx] TOP 2 0
POP3: 09:12:28 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:28 [tx] TOP 3 0
POP3: 09:12:29 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:29 [tx] RETR 1
POP3: 09:12:30 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:30 [tx] RETR 2
POP3: 09:12:31 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:31 [tx] RETR 3
POP3: 09:12:32 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:32 [tx] QUIT
POP3: 09:12:33 [rx] +OK
POP3: 09:12:38 [rx] +OK QPOP (version 2.52) at shaggy.lineone.net starting.
POP3: 09:12:38 [tx] USER alastair.scott
POP3: 09:12:39 [rx] +OK Password required for alastair.scott.
POP3: 09:12:39 [tx] PASS ***
POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK alastair.scott has 1 message (1069 octets).
POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] STAT
POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 1069
POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] LIST
POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 messages (1069 octets)
POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] 1 1069
POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] .
POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] UIDL 1
POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 e6e9812616f9b7335a146dac1b18624f
POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] UIDL
POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK uidl command accepted.
POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] 1 e6e9812616f9b7335a146dac1b18624f
POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] .
POP3: 09:12:41 [tx] TOP 1 0
POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] +OK 1069 octets
POP3: 09:12:45 [tx] RETR 1
POP3: 09:12:47 [rx] +OK 1069 octets
POP3: 09:12:48 [tx] QUIT
POP3: 09:12:48 [rx] +OK Pop server at shaggy.lineone.net signing off.

I like The Bat! and want to register it, but obviously cannot do so
with such a serious problem outstanding.

Alastair

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